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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move; for example, a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • A page should not be moved and a new move discussion should not be opened when there is already an open move request on a talk page. Instead, please participate in the open discussion.
  • Unregistered and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus to move the page is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will carry out the request. If there is a consensus not to move the page, the request will be closed as "not moved". When consensus remains unclear, the request may be relisted to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion may be closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

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Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

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Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

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If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct method if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:..." or "The/This page could not be moved, for the following reason:..."

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the bottom of the list, filling in pages and reason: 
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new title|reason=edit summary for the move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Contested technical requests

@MikutoH All of these have been contentious, so would this one. Moving to contested. What is the plan for the page if this move were carried out? By the looks of it, there are currently 3 articles on the DAB page, is anyone primary? Raladic (talk) 00:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Raladic other reasons to: the requester is the creator; LGBT in Chile was recently moved, now it's the primary topic (hadn't you looked at the Mexico case?), so if you want to keep, start an RfD on it. --MikutoH talk! 00:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I refer to the contentious nature of all these "LGBTQ in" as non-DAB rather than specific topics. Like Talk:LGBT_history_in_Georgia#Proposed_merge_of_LGBT_rights_in_Georgia_into_LGBT_history_in_Georgia.
So by the nature of that one having been contentious, I don't know how LGBTQ in Chile would be less contentious.
It looks like the actual WP:BROADCONCEPT article topic article is at "LGBTQ topics in Chile", so there doesn't seem to be a need to move the current DAB page of LGBTQ in Chile to the parenthetical, since the words of the are different. Raladic (talk) 00:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As was pointed out already in some of these discussions by other editors, rather than piecemealing all these articles and the treatment being different for many of them, this should be a central RfC at like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies for a consistent naming approach for what a broad-concept article for LGBTQ topics in X should be and then we should address this in one go, rather than some of these being RMs, some RM/TR and some RfD - there is clearly something broken process wise here. Raladic (talk) 00:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Robby.is.on It looks like this is an existing redirect to someone else with the same name (Mamadou Blaise Sangaré) and has been since 2007. so by the very nature, it might be contentious and should probably go through RM so all parties involved can analyze the data correctly. Raladic (talk) 00:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mamadou Blaise Sangaré does not appear to be known in reliable sources as "Mamadou Sangaré", and the article gets minimal traffic. We should be fine to go ahead with this one. I've added a hatnote to the footballer's article. 162 etc. (talk) 04:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This was moved from the 1960 title to the 1959 title in 2016 by @User:Roman Spinner, with the reason "reviewed in December 1959 by Variety (magazine), The Hollywood Reporter, Film Daily and BoxOffice (magazine); filmed in June--July 1959". It seems the move was undiscussed at the time. I would appreciate if this could be discussed before moving it again. Toadspike [Talk] 09:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

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The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

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To request a single page move, click on the "New section" (or "Add topic") tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code: 

{{subst:requested move|New name|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace New name with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 21 November 2024" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the affected page:

Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code: 

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

The |1= unnamed parameter is not used. The |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

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A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected pages, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code: 

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1 (this parameter can be omitted for discussions hosted on a page that is proposed to be moved)
| new1     = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2     = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3     = New title for page 3
| reason   = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.
}}
See also: Template:Requested move/extended blank

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia with current1 set to Wikipedia and current2 set to Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article where the template is placed (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign the request with ~~~~, since the template does this automatically (so if you sign it yourself there will be two copies of your signature at the end of the request). Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of all pages that are included in your request except the one hosting the discussion, to call attention to the move discussion that is in progress and to suggest that all discussion for all of the pages included in the request should take place at that one hosting location.

For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is itself proposed to be moved, it is not necessary to include the |current1=Current title of page 1 for the page hosting the discussion, as its current title can be inferred automatically. Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace, in which case it is necessary to include |current1= to indicate the first article to be moved.

Request all associated moves explicitly

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Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

If a disambiguation page is in the way of a move, the request may be completed as proposing to add (disambiguation).

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 21 November 2024

Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 09:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 21 November 2024

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 09:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 21 November 2024

Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 09:26, 21 November 2024‎ (UTC)[reply]

Survey
Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
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Any additional comments:



This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 21 November 2024

– why Example (talk) 09:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 21 November 2024

– why Example (talk) 09:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Commenting on a requested move

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All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

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Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting should be done using {{subst:RM relist}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.

Notes

  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement appears on the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

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This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 79 discussions have been relisted.

November 21, 2024

November 20, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Robin Hood in popular culture → Robin Hood in literature and the arts – A lot of this stuff is not "popular culture". A play performed 1475 is not going to be filmed and shown at the Cineplex. It might be studied by a university professor. Ditto stuff written in 1678 and 1712 etc. "Hodd" is an academic work. There's an 1860 opera, and an MA course on Robin. Bunch of ballads and folk tales from centuries ago at least. Probably ther're a few more.

    If there is such a thing as "popular culture" as opposed to just "culture" anymore, these aren't it. We don't want to split the article or name it "Robin Hood in popular and elite culture". And after all even comics are literature and pop songs the arts, so we're not being untrue. And there are a few articles already that use this form. Herostratus (talk) 21:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Klabat University → Universitas Klabat – The proposed name change from "Klabat University" to "Universitas Klabat" is necessary to align with the official name used by the institution in all formal and legal contexts. "Universitas Klabat" is the recognized and registered name in Indonesia, reflecting its identity and adherence to national naming conventions for higher education institutions. Updating the title ensures accuracy, consistency, and better representation of the university's official branding and communication. Unklabwebmaster (talk) 08:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ross Stores → Ross Dress for Less – There seems to be a favor for calling it "Ross Dress for Less". I am presenting more evidence than last time. To wit: * If you search for a store on Google Maps, every store is labeled "Ross Dress for Less", and Google Maps usually defers to the most common nomenclature. * Independent news articles such as this, this, this, and this use "Ross Dress for Less", whereas searching "Ross Stores" tends to give press releases, corporate directories, and more financial-leaning sources. * Directories for shopping malls which have one, such as this, use the full name "Ross Dress for Less". * The company's official Facebook and Instagram accounts both use "Ross Dress for Less". * The copyright for the logo includes the "Dress for Less" part, suggesting it is part of the name and not just a slogan. I could not find any instances where just the "Ross" part of the logo was used, further suggesting "Dress for Less" is officially part of the company name. Despite what was said in the previous RM, I don't consider the "Dress for Less" part promotional in tone if it's legally part of the name any more so than the "dollar" in Dollar General is promotional. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 00:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 19, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Parcels (band) → Parcels – The band is the only mention to a plural of the term and gets significantly the most views [[6]]. Seems redundant to disambiguate when I'd say it's the primary topic here (note I am talking about parcels plural, not the singular parcel) especially when considering WP:SMALLDETAILS. Otherwise I'd be open to changing the redirect from Parcels → Parcels (band) to Parcels → Parcel, but as it is it's flawed. orangesclub 🍊 04:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 18, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Guenette → Guenette, Guadeloupe – Small community, not large enough to claim WP:PRIMARYTOPIC rights over a fairly common French surname. Even its parent commune of Le Moule only has a population of 22K total, meaning that this community (whose article doesn't contain any population figure) has far less than that since it isn't even Le Moule's primary urban area. But with seven people carrying the surname listed on the disambiguation page and at least one other person I know of who has an article on fr that hasn't been translated into English yet (and I haven't even conducted any comprehensive searches for other people who might still be missing), the surname page should take priority, especially since the town's name derives from the surname rather than vice versa. Bearcat (talk) 23:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Lampad → Lampades – These figures are only ever referred to as a group as far as I know (that is, the singular "Lampad" is never used), so the page should not be at "Lampad" (this falls under the second exception at WP:PLURAL). Either "Lampades" or "Lampads" would be fine, although the majority of reliable secondary sources which mention them seem to use the former transliteration from what I can tell: * Sources with "Lampades": Gantz, Johnston, Serafini (in the English abstract), and Calame (in French) * Sources with "Lampads": Campbell, and Larson's Greek Nymphs: Myth, Cult, Lore This title would also be a more accurate reflection of the Greek (Λαμπάδες). – Michael Aurel (talk) 21:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Fatal Vision controversy → Fatal Vision – In 2013, this was moved by a now-indeffed account, on the grounds that since the content in the article was about the drama the book caused it was more notable. Searching for sources, the controversy does not appear to be notable in an of itself to fulfill WP:NEVENT. While the book is notable, due to both sourcing, reviews, and adaptions, so move it back. PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Frost 12:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Islamic terrorism → ? – Both words of the current title are a problem: * Islamic - Saying "Islamic terrorism" without qualification could be interpreted as implying that "terrorism" is typical or intrinsic to Islam, or all Muslims. * Terrorism - The word terrorism is too vague, and too politically loaded (MOS:TERRORIST), unless the page is going to be rewritten as a critique of how the label "terrorist" is used. I don't have a specific alternative to suggest, but I believe the current page name needs discussion. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 05:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kim Ju-ae → Kim Jong Un's daughter – Per discussion above and the article itself (see second paragraph in "Early reports and uncertainties") - her name is not known; there are contradicting reports about her name, all pretty much speculation. Kim Ju-ae seems to be the first name proposed in the public discourse, but since then, others have been suggested. This article should not give priority to one possible name, even if it is a bit more common in the media (because it was the first and mentioned by an English celebrity; unlike others). I don't think WP:COMMONNAME appears here, given that it is just a speculation based on what one celebrity might have (mis)heard. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kuji-in → Kuji-kiri – The kuji-in..., also known as Nine Hand Seals, is a system of mudras and associated mantras that consist of nine syllables. ja wiki has articles ja:九字護身法 and ja:九字, currently wikidata connects Kuji-in to 九字, but the ja article only discussed the 9 characters, hand seals and such are in 九字護身法. Kuji-kiri redirects here, and is linked to 九字護身法 in wikidata. Keep "Kuji-in <-> 九字" and "Kuji-kiri <-> 九字護身法" in wikidata, then move and adjust the en article would be the easiest way to solve this. ps, one alternative to "Kuji-kiri" is to translate "九字護身法". Sohryu Asuka Langley Not Shikinami (talk) 01:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 17, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Pot-holder → ? – "Pot-holder" with a hyphen seems to be by far the least used version. Unfortunate, both pot holder and potholder are very close in usage: Google ngrams, Google Trends (shows "pot holder" being about 50% more searched for than "potholder" in the past few years, before then they were nearly identical), 1,970 Google scholar for "pot holder" (which includes pot-holder but a quick skim finds "pot holder" far out numbers it), 1,450 Google scholar for "potholder". Dictionaries that I looked at are 5-2 in favor of "potholder": "potholder": Collins (which labels it as British), Cambridge (which labels it as "mainly US"), Oxford Learner's (Which labels it as "(North American English)", American Heritage, and Dictionary.com; while for "pot holder": M-W; OED. I'm not a huge fan of just going by dictionary but perhaps give how similar ngrams and such are, I'd lean toward "potholder" which is also the direction ngramas has started to move toward, although "pot holder" was much more common from the 1860s until the late 1960s. I also don't think there seems to be sufficient English variety affinity for either spaced or not to justify using the uncommon hyphenated version. Skynxnex (talk) 16:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. JJPMaster (she/they) 03:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 16, 2024

November 15, 2024

  • (Discuss) – J. B. Pritzker → JB Pritzker – Largely similar to this discussion, it appears as though Pritzker stylizes his name without any periods. I can't judge if it meets MOS:BIOEXCEPT to the letter, but his official website and social medias do not use periods, so WP:ABOUTSELF could apply [40][41][42]. It also seems like his name is most commonly used without periods in reliable sources, see The New York Times [43], Chicago Tribune [44], and Politico [45], for example. Forbes [46] is the only current source I can find using periods for his name, though without a space. It does look like most sources prior to his gubernatorial run used periods, only beginning to drop them in the years since, so this could perhaps be treated as a name change. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Wikipedia:Outing (essay) → ? – This essay currently has rather poor visibility, and I believe its title is to blame. For one, adding a hatnote to the target of Wikipedia:Outing and Wikipedia:OUTING to refer back to this essay seems like it would cause more confusion than help, especially given the already-large stack of hatnotes at that target. For two, this essay may be outdated, given it was created in 2006 and its most recent edit was in 2013; due to this, it seems some of the claims in the essay may be inaccurate since Wikipedia has advanced some of its policies since then. In a nutshell, I'm opening this move request since a new title for this page is a start, though not necessarily the end nor the only fix. Steel1943 (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 17:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Minnesota Fats → Minnesota Fats (character) – Why isn't the article at Minnesota Fats? That is by far the most common name used here to refer to him. Every source in the article uses Minnesota Fats, to the point even his NYT obit called him that and not Rudolph Wanderone, and the word "Wanderone" is hardly used in the text of the article instead of "Fats". Sure, he named himself after a fictional character, but inbound links and page views suggest most people looking for "Minnesota Fats" are looking for the pool player and not the character. It's blatantly obvious Wanderone's legacy has far outlasted that of the fictional character from whom he derived his name. This seems a crystal-clear violation of WP:COMMONNAME to have his article at "Rudolph Wanderone", and to me, it's like if we arbitrarily decided to move Lady Gaga's article to "Stefani Germanotta". I'm genuinely shocked no one else has even considered this issue in the past ten years. Previous discussion in 2014 had everyone pulling a different direction, and me in a more hostile mood, so I'm hoping to get a consensus this time with a clearer focus from both me and others. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 00:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 14, 2024

  • (Discuss) – Passage Publishing → Jonathan Keeperman – More of a rescoping than a move. Passage Publishing does not really fulfill our more stringent NCORP guidelines, however its founder, Keeperman, fulfills NBASIC. This is an attempt to resolve the notability issue, as I strongly think this article should exist in some form - and most of the articles that talk about Passage Press are really about Keeperman. If the sourcing existed I would prefer it the other way around, but alas. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Vagina → Human Vagina – I'm proposing we move the information in this article about the human vagina to a new article titled Human Vagina, and likewise stop the redirect of Human Vagina to Vagina. Wikipedia has separate articles for Penis and Human Penis, which implies that men's genitals make them human, whereas women's genitals are no different from animals'. This violates WP:NPOV, being a form of misogyny. As it reads in this article, 'Because a better understanding of female genitalia can help combat sexual and psychological harm with regard to female development, researchers endorse correct terminology for the vulva.' Likewise, there is much psychological harm in implying that women are more animal than men. Moving the relevant material over to Human Vagina will remove bias and help keep Wikipedia neutral. Dcmcdcm-wiki (talk) 16:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Stadion Miejski (Białystok) → Białystok Municipal Stadium – I am submitting this request to revert the article title of the stadium in Białystok to its previous title, Białystok Municipal Stadium in light of recent actions by the user FromCzech. The move to the Polish-language title Stadion Miejski (Białystok) was made unilaterally and appears inconsistent with Wikipedia's guidelines, specifically WP:UE. This guideline encourages the use of English translations where appropriate to maintain accessibility for the global readership. FromCzech has argued for the name change without prior discussion, potentially as a reaction to a naming debate on Lokotrans Aréna that I initiated. This recent move does not reflect a consensus, and it also disrupts the established consistency within the "Football venues in Poland" category, where nearly all stadium names are translated into English. Notable examples include Father Władysław Augustynek Stadium, Gdynia Municipal Stadium, Kielce Municipal Stadium, and Raków Municipal Stadium. I urge that the title "Białystok Municipal Stadium" be restored to uphold Wikipedia’s principles of consistency and transparency, while also preventing this matter from being affected by personal disputes or editing motivated by anything other than Wikipedia's editorial standards. Paradygmaty (talk) 21:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Fischer random chess → Chess 960 – "Chess 960" is the WP:COMMONNAME for this chess variant, based on press coverage (newspapers.com articles found from the last 20 years: 82 mentioning "Chess 960" and 65 mentioning Fischer Random Chess, many mentioning both), major chess sites including chess.com and lichess.org, recent books, and chess organizations. Other Wikipedias have also started to move away from "Fischer" in the title with 20 out of 39 using "960" in the title instead. While Fischer Random Chess is still often used as a term, it is no longer the most common name. In recent years, "Fischer Random Chess" is typically mentioned only once in reliable sources, often parenthetically or as a secondary term, with "Chess 960" used for the remainder of the article, book, etc. While the article does discuss several other variants, the focus of the article is Chess 960 and it makes sense to keep the article history connected to Chess 960 as a topic. As to "Chess 960" vs. "Chess960", including the space seems to be more frequent based on newspapers.com and Google searches, but both are often used. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 00:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kahina → Dihya al-Kahina – Based on my research in the above thread, I think Dihya al-Kahina is a more accurate and precise name, as Dihya appears to have been a Berber given name and Kahina is simply a title or honorific meaning "prophetess." Most sources use both names when referring to her. Andre🚐 09:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Georgian Jews → History of the Jews in Georgia (country) – I was asked by IZAK to make this as a technical move, but I think it needs confirmation via RM. These articles are standardized at titles beginning "History of the Jews in...", but there have been various alternative endings to the title proposed and/or used at various times, including "History of the Jews in the Republic of Georgia" (this isn't a great one because Georgia obviously has a much longer history than any single political entity), "History of the Jews in Georgia", etc. What should the end of this title be? Thanks. asilvering (talk) 20:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge → United States support for the Khmer Rouge – Reopening discussion. According to the above backlog, editors have overwhelmingly voiced support for the requested move. I fail to understand @Estar8806's decision to close the discussion and sideline the consensus that is apparent. As I wrote him on this user talk: Multiple statements in the article are factual and undisputed and correspond to US support of the Khmer Rouge: 1) U.S. voted for the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge-dominated Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea (CGDK) to retain Cambodia's United Nations (UN) seat until as late as 1993, long after the Khmer Rouge had been mostly deposed by Vietnam. = diplomatic US support 2) I encourage the Chinese to support Pol Pot, said Zbigniew Brzezinski, the national security adviser at the time. The question was how to help the Cambodian people. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him, but China could. = diplomatic US support has admitted by a member of the then US government (quoted here from the NYTimes source of ref 20) I will not even go on investigate the claims of political scholars quoted in the wiki article since this much is already tantamount to US support. NokGradten (talk) 08:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Siege of Gerona (disambiguation) → Sieges of Gerona – Several issues I hope to address with these proposed moves. First, it makes little sense to have the "second" and "third" sieges as titles but to call the first event a battle; of the three is was the most like a battle, but the distinction is confusing in this case. It does seem that [ordinal] siege of Gerona is the most common manner of disambiguating the various events. If the first segment were to carry the WP:COMMONNAME "Battle" then it should not carry a parenthetical qualifier, being already WP:NATURALly disambiguated and the primary topic for the term; the base name Battle of Girona already redirects there and is WP:MISPLACED. Second, when used alone without additional context, "Siege of Gerona" does seem to refer to the successful final siege as a primary topic, and currently redirects there. I am proposing to leave this as a primary redirect and turn the disambiguation page into a set index at the plural, but I would also support having the set index in place of the redirect at the singular. Third, while I personally feel "Siege" in these titles is part of the proper noun, use in sources is mixed, and most "siege" articles on enwiki do not take siege as part of the proper noun (in contrast to "Battle of..." which is almost always part of the proper noun; I don't see the distinction) and WP:MILCAPS is vague, so for now let's go for being the most consistent. Lastly, as for the Girona vs. Gerona issue, there has been past move reversions and discussion about this (e.g. Talk:Third siege of Girona#Girona/Gerona), and we should reach consensus here. I am open to either spelling, but am proposing a return to Gerona because it does seem a majority of reliable sources use this spelling, and that is the criterion upon which we should base our choice. On the other hand, the modern spelling of the city is the Catalan spelling. Regardless, the set index/disambiguation page should use the same spelling as the articles. Overall, I am open to discussing and considering any and all variations of this proposal, but the status quo should not be kept. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Hiawatha (train) → Hiawatha (MILW train) – These paranthetical names aren't quite as clear and precise as they can be since multiple other trains have used these names throughout their history. The simple parenthetical "(train)" isn't really enough to distinguish these different trains from each other. The first article is solely about the multiple trains operated by the Milwaukee Road which predate the current Amtrak train along the corridor of the same name. The name could be changed to "trains" to indicate the multitude of different trains covered in the article. The Amtrak/Via Maple Leaf isn't the only named train with a termini in Toronto, especially the historical Lehigh Valley Railroad train, which also ran to New York City, albeit with a different alignment. The name of the article could also be changed to maybe "Amtrak/Via", but the train from my understanding is moreso grouped with Amtrak. The Amtrak Palmetto is the successor of the ACL train of the same name. The fourth article is about a completely unrelated historical ATSF train operating in California separate from the current Amtrak train. The Wolverine is also the name of a historical New York Central Railroad train. Nonetheless, I don't necessarily believe in these names as final as I want them to be subject to change, and not all of them need to be implemented. I will say that if we decide that the simple parenthetical of "(train)" is sufficient in describing the articles in question, then perhaps instead the article titles for the Amtrak Pere Marquette, Silver Star, and Valley Flyer could have "Amtrak" dropped from their parentheticals for naming consistency across all Amtrak train articles. Thoughts? OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 06:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tajiks of Xinjiang → Chinese Tajiks – In previous discussions over a decade and a half ago, the main points of contention were: "Which name(s) is more commonly used in reliable sources (i.e. WP:COMMONNAME)?" and "Which name(s) is appropriate, given that 'Tajik' is a misnomer because the group is actually ethnic Pamiris?" Since the discussions in 2009, scholarly articles and books have generally been split in usage of "Tajiks of Xinjiang" and "Chinese Tajiks". Neither name solves the second problem, and adding "Pamiris" in parentheses isn't necessary, in my opinion. The group itself has a distinct history and culture, and it is not merely a situation of Pamiris being on a different side of an international border (i.e. not Tajikistan). The Chinese government uses the term "Chinese Tajiks" in English to distinguish the group from Tajiks and Tajikistanis in China. It's also worth noting that members of this ethnic group have travelled and made homes elsewhere in China, so it doesn't make sense to have an article title that limits them to one specific part of the country. This article isn't about Tajiks or Pamiris who live in Xinjiang, but a distinct ethnicity that originated from the region. The article should therefore be renamed and moved to "Chinese Tajiks". Yue🌙 01:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 17:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tel al-Sultan attack → ? – I am bringing this discussion back up with a stronger argument and after the Good Article review has concluded. I have identified many sources calling this incident a massacre. There are likely more, so feel free to add any. They include The Guardian (opinion piece), Morrocco World News, The Peninsula Qatar, Truthout, Al-Ahram, Daily Sabah, Jacobin, Vox (Not explicitly, though cites someone calling it one, says it’s a slaughter in headline, and says Israel is massacring Palestinians), TRT World (Partially reliable) Le Monde, Middle East Eye, El Pais, The New Arab, Mondoweiss, Gulf News, Huffington Post (Disputed reliability), The Intercept, The Nation (opinion piece), Aljazeera and Aljazeera Arabic. Many mainstream media articles also cite people who describe the attack as a massacre, though do not explicitly claim it to be so. Humanitarian groups Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor and Doctors Without Borders have described the incident as a massacre. Officials of Colombia,[68] Saudi Arabia,[69] the State of Palestine,[70] and the Organization of Islamic States[71] have called the attack a massacre. United Nations Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories Francesca Albanese has called it a massacre.[72] Additionally, Hamas and the Palestinian Civil Defense in Rafah have called the incident a massacre.[73] Last time, there was also the issue of whether the attacks were intentional, as “massacre” is a loaded word that may imply intentionally killing civilians. Firstly, NYT quotes an expert who suggests Israel may have tried to mitigate harm but accepted civilian casualties,[74] and an MSNBC analysis indicates Israel should have known there were civilians in the area.[75] Al-Jazeera’s fact checking agency[76] and India Today[77] think so, and suggestions by Israel that a weapons dump exploded have been refuted by the New York Times, who found no evidence of the claim.[78] Egypt[79] and the PA[80] also allege that it was intentional. There is still the issue of what exactly to call the article in any case. We have some options:
    A: Keep it the same, Tel al-Sultan _.
    B: Rafah tent camp _.
    C: Just "Rafah _" Personisinsterest (talk) 21:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2021 Western Kentucky tornado → 2021 Mayfield tornado – The new copy-edited lede changed by @Baffle gab1978 brought to me the realization that Wikipedia is one of the few places on the web referring to this event by this name. As the majority of coverage was in Mayfield, it has informally become known as the Mayfield tornado by sources, and as such Wikipedia should in theory call it that too per WP:COMMONNAME. Also, per WP:Naming conventions (events), [i]f more than one name is in common use, the name used by NOAA or an official weather agency should take precedence except in extraordinary circumstances, and there should be redirects from any other names. This source from the NCEI, a roundup of December 2021 events, states [t]he historic “Mayfield tornado,” as its commonly called, was on the ground for 165.7 miles, had peak winds of 190 mph, and resulted in 55+ fatalities, and as far as I'm aware there's no NOAA/NWS sources calling it the "Western Kentucky tornado" (p.s., I'm using this usa.gov search tool to query this, and that returned 0 for "Western Kentucky tornado"). Strictly off policy, I would boldly move this, but as this is one of the most important tornado articles in today's Wikipedia, I thought I'd start a discussion. Departure– (talk) 00:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ "Who's Who: Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al-Faisal, Saudi sports minister and president of the Union of Arab National Olympic Committees". Arab News. 23 December 2021.
  2. ^ https://www.spa.gov.sa/2389084. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  3. ^ "First edition of Olympic Esports Games to be held in Saudi Arabia in 2025". Arab News. 23 July 2024.
  4. ^ "Saudi Falcons led by Prince Abdulaziz Turki Al-Faisal retire from 24H Dubai 2013". Riyadh Connect. 14 January 2013. Archived from the original on 15 August 2013. Retrieved 4 March 2013.
  5. ^ "2020 World's Most Powerful Saudis HRH Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al-Faisal - Arabian Business: Latest News on the Middle East, Real Estate, Finance, and More". www.arabianbusiness.com.
  6. ^ "Doha to host 2030 Asian Games as Riyadh gets 2034 edition". Sports Promedia. 17 December 2020. Retrieved 4 February 2021.
  7. ^ "Abdulaziz Al Faisal, SA". Racing Sports Cars. Archived from the original on 1 February 2013. Retrieved 20 June 2012.
  8. ^ "Abdulaziz Al Faisal". Automobile Club de l'Ouest. Retrieved 21 July 2023.
  9. ^ "2013 Mans results". FIA World Endurance Championship. Retrieved 21 July 2023.
  10. ^ https://www.mos.gov.sa/en/about-us. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  11. ^ "IU Columbus completes transition, welcomes new era". July 1, 2024.
  12. ^ "IUPUC Transitioning to IU Columbus by July 1, 2024". July 12, 2023.

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