Talk:How I Got Over

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'How I Got Over' is one of the standard works in the Black gospel repetoire, just like 'Precious Lord, Take My Hand' by Thomas Dorsey, which has a Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_My_Hand%2C_Precious_Lord) of its own. It has been recorded by EVERY major Black gospel singer. If you examine Aretha Franklin's page and that of Mahalia Jackson, and follow the links to their CDs you will see this listed among both. On Mahalia's Wikipage it is listed among her best known songs, and until I created this page today, that link was dead. The song's significance to the American civil rights movement is evidenced by Mahalia Jackson's historic performance of it at the August 28, 1963 March on Washington (when Dr. Martin Luther King gave his famous 'I Have A Dream' speech). Aretha Franklin gave a legendary performance of it on her landmark 'Amazing Grace' album. --Agriffinny 02:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

authorship

from time to time, someone comes and makes an edit that asserts this song was not written by Clara Ward, but by W. Herbert Brewster. the whole article is unsourced so idk, but enough people think it was brewster and not ward, that now i wonder who wrote it. -badmachine 23:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 November 2024

It has been proposed in this section that How I Got Over be renamed and moved to How I Got Over (song).

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How I Got Over → How I Got Over (song) – Roots album has several times more page views, no PTOPIC. New title should still have a hatnote, since the album has a title track, but additional disambiguation to How I Got Over (Clara Ward song) feels unnecessary. Mach61 20:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 21:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@162 etc. since you removed this from RM/TR, please explain why you disagree with this proposal Mach61 22:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"How I Got Over" is one of the best-selling gospel songs of all time, and is in the National Recording Registry. WP:RMT is for uncontroversial moves, and this is not one of them. 162 etc. (talk) 23:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the album has 993 views compared with only 272[[1]] for the song. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I guess if I have to give a more detailed rationale: In cases where the WP:long-term significance of a topic is considered enough to make it the WP:PTOPIC over a much more popular subject (e.g. Apple and Apple Inc., Java and Java (programming language)), the less popular subject is on a completely different order of magnitude in terms of a "long term"; two 20th-century institutions vs. a fruit and an island that have been around for millions of years and documented in literature for millenia. In the grand scheme of all documented history, the song and album have been released pretty close to each other (i.e. within a century), which means the "usage" criterion of PTOPIC should take priority. Mach61 20:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could we not have "How I Got Over (Clara Ward song)" and "How I Got Over (The Roots album)"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Martinevans123 Why would "(the Roots album)" not fail WP:CONCISE? Are there any other albums with that title? Mach61 21:58, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just an idea. Yes, I'm sure it would fail WP:CONCISE. If you look hard enough, it seems there's not much in the project that doesn't fail some rule or guideline. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]