Talk:Gilda (disambiguation)
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– Surely (Shirley?) the given name is the primary topic. (The three non-given name entries would have to be split off.) Clarityfiend (talk) 11:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Per WP:PTM, a DAB page is not a search index, and index pages cannot be primary topics. There doesn't seem to be an article about the given name that can be argued is equivalently primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support first, oppose second, and split of separate article for the name.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:DPT, let's have a look at the stats. WikiNav shows a fair bit of interest in the presumed primary topic (the film), and the hatnote doesn't come up in the top 20 to be rendered by the WikiNav software. I used to think would be suspect, but with a popular topic and a decent article it does happen. A look into the clickstream archive does reveal that we do consistently detect readers clicking on the hatnote:
last year's worth of identifable clickstreams from Gilda to Gilda*
From meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream:
- clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 99
- clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 102
- clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 99
- clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 81
- clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 91
- clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 71
- clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 77
- clickstream-enwiki-2024-06.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 73
- Gilda Gilda_Radner other 12
- clickstream-enwiki-2024-07.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 86
- clickstream-enwiki-2024-08.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 91
- clickstream-enwiki-2024-09.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 68
- clickstream-enwiki-2024-10.tsv:
- Gilda Gilda_(disambiguation) link 83
- Interestingly, we can notice in June that the amount of readers who went to Gilda and then typed something into either the URL bar or the search box to get to Gilda Radner happened to cross over the anonymization threshold. This could well indicate a problem with our existing navigation.
- If we go to a more of a bird's eye view, with all-time mass page views for all these items, the problem becomes more obvious - the article about Radner actually receives almost a magnitude larger interest than the film article.
- Even the readership of the next dozen Gilda biographies, without Radner, is similar to the readership of the film article - and maybe it would be a bit larger too, if we didn't stash the links to these behind an extra click.
- A monthly view of page views for the most popular topics indicates this trend is consistent - while there are some traffic spikes for Radner, and to an extent Dent, there's no general anomaly.
- The average reader probably recognizes this term as a feminine given name, so it's inherently ambiguous. While the film clearly has some long-term significance as it receives this much interest to this day, it does not outweigh the usage or significance of all the other topics named Gilda, and we should change navigation. (Support)
- I don't see a particular need to split off the three non-biography entries, these don't attract substantial readership (see also mass views for the storms) so it's fine to keep them at the bottom as they are now. The top of the list should include links to the film and to Radner because that would probably help the most readers (MOS:DABCOMMON). --Joy (talk) 10:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support for Gilda to the dab and create Gilda (given name). I can't see a primary topic. MrKeefeJohn (talk) 11:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)