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Errors in the summary of the featured article
[edit]- No image? @Mattximus: It's quite unfortunate that no image exists on the worm. I see this was mentioned at the FAC by @Nikkimaria, and that it appears there may be none freely licensed available. Still, is it really possible to say that this is one of our best articles when it has no visual depiction of the animal it's about? This is made worse by the TFA, since the image is of an entirely different creature, which leads any reader to assume that the article will be about that other creature. Sdkb talk 04:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I went through the same thought process. It is a wonderful world (talk) 07:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I do agree that if there's no image of the organism concerned we shouldn't have an image. The current situation is very confusing IMHO. @TFA coordinators can we remove it and just have no image, as we sometimes do in other cases? — Amakuru (talk) 07:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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is it really possible to say that this is one of our best articles when it has no visual depiction of the animal it's about
": Yes, of course it is. We're constricted by our ridiculously constrictive rules on images which lack any common sense on the point, but that doesn't stop it being a top quality article."can we remove it and just have no image
: yes. I suspect it was added because we sometimes get complaints when there's no image at all, even if there are some of secondary importance in the article. If someone can remove it, please do so. - SchroCat (talk) 07:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)- Done thanks. — Amakuru (talk) 08:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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- It seems to me entirely appropriate to illustrate both article and blurb with the host species of this parasite. It has no other known host and one of the interesting aspects of the parasite is that it has this unusual host. The host will be unfamiliar to most readers and of interest to them. JMCHutchinson (talk) 08:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Then you will have to get the policies and guidelines surrounding the use of non-free images changed, because at the moment it is not possible. Policy says "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose". The fact that the worm still exists and it is, therefore, technically possible to obtain an image, which means we cannot use a non free one. And no, JMCHutchinson, we could not include an image with the blurb with a non-free image; that falls under a different part of the policy, but it's still policy. - SchroCat (talk) 08:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think you misread the above comment. --58.8.159.59 (talk) 10:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, indeed, you have completely misread what I wrote and accused me of advocating copyright violation. SchroCat, please could you strike your comment or change to whom you are addressing it. Thanks. JMCHutchinson (talk) 11:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- You are right: I did misread it, and apologies for that. I won't strike it, as there is no "accusation" of anything. - SchroCat (talk) 13:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Then you will have to get the policies and guidelines surrounding the use of non-free images changed, because at the moment it is not possible. Policy says "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose". The fact that the worm still exists and it is, therefore, technically possible to obtain an image, which means we cannot use a non free one. And no, JMCHutchinson, we could not include an image with the blurb with a non-free image; that falls under a different part of the policy, but it's still policy. - SchroCat (talk) 08:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Featured articles sometimes simply don't have images. For instance, I've written a featured biographical article whose subject I could not find an image of for the life of me. In this case, barring the idea that Mary E. Spencer Jones happens to have photographs lying around which she didn't publish to the journal article and would wish to release under a Commons-compatible license; that Springer would be willing to waive their copyright to a free-for-commercial-usage license; or that someone wants to track down a South African mole, examine the rectum for worms, capture images via SEM, meticulously ensure the worm is actually Heptamegacanthus, and then provide it under a Commons-compatible license, there's nothing that can be done here. I think it still doesn't stop it from being a top-quality article. It totally sucks, but I think 'Featured' should denote professional-level quality, and I imagine even Britannica would have a rough time of this without greasing the wheels ($$$) to license the image. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 14:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- The lack of an image is usually not really an error, it's working with what we got. There are areas in which we do not have a luxury of images. If FAC passes them, unless there are exceptional circumstances dictating don't run the article, we look at them as eligible to run Wehwalt (talk) 15:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree here that the lack of an image doesn't automatically fail FAC 3. One thing I might do is reach out the author to hear her thoughts and see if she may have something, as in review of both featured article nominations, nobody explicitly mentions having done so (although this is suggested at two points by Esculenta. Update: I have since contacted the author and am awaiting a reply. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- The lack of an image is usually not really an error, it's working with what we got. There are areas in which we do not have a luxury of images. If FAC passes them, unless there are exceptional circumstances dictating don't run the article, we look at them as eligible to run Wehwalt (talk) 15:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- It seems to me entirely appropriate to illustrate both article and blurb with the host species of this parasite. It has no other known host and one of the interesting aspects of the parasite is that it has this unusual host. The host will be unfamiliar to most readers and of interest to them. JMCHutchinson (talk) 08:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Errors with "In the news"
[edit]- As Toadspike has pointed out, the current layout of ITN causes confusion. The positioning of the image of Yoav Gallant makes it seem like the portrait depicts the newly elected Lithuanian Prime Minister. It would be better if we had File:Gintautas Paluckas VRK.jpg or as a second alternative to that, a portrait of Netanyahu (who is more recognizable and less likely to be mistaken for the new Lithuanian PM by a casual observer). FlipandFlopped ツ 01:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- That file lacks evidence of permission. Knowing which blurb the picture is linked to is what (pictured) is for, and there’s no evidence that anyone is confused. Stephen 01:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have occasionally thought the image pertains to the subject of the top hook at first glance, until I looked closer. And that's as someone who actually knows how ITN works. — Amakuru (talk) 07:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose that's why WP:ITNPICT says the picture should be for the uppermost blurb, when possible, but I suspect that stems from a time when images did not have captions. FWIW, "On this day" often has a picture not associated with its top-most item. —Bagumba (talk) 07:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- This juxtapositioning issue has been extant for decades. -- Sca (talk) 14:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose that's why WP:ITNPICT says the picture should be for the uppermost blurb, when possible, but I suspect that stems from a time when images did not have captions. FWIW, "On this day" often has a picture not associated with its top-most item. —Bagumba (talk) 07:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have occasionally thought the image pertains to the subject of the top hook at first glance, until I looked closer. And that's as someone who actually knows how ITN works. — Amakuru (talk) 07:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- That file lacks evidence of permission. Knowing which blurb the picture is linked to is what (pictured) is for, and there’s no evidence that anyone is confused. Stephen 01:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- There's now a cropped image at File:Gintautas Paluckas by Augustas Didzgalvis (cropped).jpg. Could we use this one instead? Toadspike [Talk] 15:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Done I’ve swapped the image. Schwede66 15:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Errors in "Did you know ..."
[edit]Indonesia tea item: 'largest exporter of tea outside ...' so they weren't the largest at all, they were third largest. This should be rephrased as 'third largest exporter of tea, after' I've made the equivalent fix in the article itself. Modest Genius talk 12:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- And why do we have the current name for one, but the colonial name for the other two? Fram (talk) 17:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rephrased to: "that during the colonial period, the Dutch East Indies was the third-largest exporter of tea after the British Raj and Ceylon?" — Amakuru (talk) 17:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Errors in "On this day"
[edit]- Guru Nanak Gurpurab (Sikhism, 2023) - was celebrated on 15 November this year JennyOz (talk) 07:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Errors in the summary of the featured list
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Errors in the summary of the featured picture
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