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A-Class nom

Greeting, how does one nominate an article for A-Class assessment? I have read that for GA you must he an article creator or have improved the article extensively. I wanted to know if the GA rules apply to A-Class and how to nominate for A-Class Thank you. 41.216.192.99 (talk) 00:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. According to Wikipedia:Content assessment/A-Class criteria, For WikiProjects without a formal A-Class review process, the proposal to promote to A-Class should be made on the article's talk page. To be granted, the proposal should be supported by two uninvolved editors, with no significant opposes. The review should also be noted on the project's discussion page. Although if the article has to do with military history, you can nominate it for A-class review at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/A-Class review. Hope that helps. Cheers ‍Relativity ⚡️ 00:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Greetings Relativity, I have read that part but I do not know how to nominate the article, would you walk me through the process please. Oh and I did not realise I was logged out, I am Dxneo. 41.216.192.99 (talk) 01:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I personally have never nominated an article for A-class, so I'll let someone else that's experienced try to answer. If no one responds for a while, I'll tell you what I would do. Cheers :) ‍Relativity ⚡️ 01:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Relativity, I'll be waiting. dxneo (talk) 08:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

A-class is effectively a defunct rating, except for articles under the purview of a handful of Wikiprojects such as military history. In 15 years of editing, I have never read any serious discussion of an A-class rating because almost nobody cares any more, if they ever did. I recommend the Good article process instead, which is vastly better understood and recognized as something of genuine worth. Cullen328 (talk) 08:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo, if your article doesn't meet the GA standard, it won't meet the A-Class standard either. But as Cullen has noted, A-Class is not used by most wikiprojects. If you have an article that's better than GA, just go straight to FAC with it. -- asilvering (talk) 22:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Asilvering, actually I was kind of looking for a loophole, this "only the creator and editor who improved the article extensively" rule is truly annoying, there are GA/FAC standard articles but they are start-class rated (or at least B-class) and there's nothing we can do about it since I cannot really improve that kind of article to a point where I can nominate it myself. On few occasions I tried contacting the article creator(s) and they would say they are not interested in nominating the article(s) or they don't create aiming at GA. dxneo (talk) 22:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo, it's perfectly acceptable to nominate the article for GA in that situation. One of my GAs is basically as you describe; all I did is rewrite the lead and shepherd it through the review process. If you want to avoid it being quickfailed as a drive-by submission, just make sure that you first post on the article talk page about your intent to take the article through a GA review. Give it a week or so to see if anyone shows up, then nominate. If there is just one or two editors who did most of the work, please contact them specifically on their user talk pages to make sure they are aware and support you doing this. -- asilvering (talk) 22:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Asilvering, I tried few months ago (December or January if I'm not mistaken) and again earlier this month both on their talks, they are just not interested. dxneo (talk) 22:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo that's fine! They don't need to be interested. If they specifically ask you not to take the article through GAN, you should leave it alone. But if they support you doing it and just don't want any part of it themselves, that's no problem. Just make sure you've left a note on the article talk page to that effect, so that your reviewer doesn't quickfail it. -- asilvering (talk) 22:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll do that on the article talk and ping them. dxneo (talk) 22:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

fyi that if the main editors aren't very active anymore, it's best to specifically go to their user talk pages, since you don't know for sure that they'll get a ping. -- asilvering (talk) 22:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Asilvering

Thank you, so how extensive does one have to improve the article before they can nominate it? 🤔 dxneo (talk) 11:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo if there is a notice on the talk page explaining the context, like I described above, you don't need to have any particular amount of editing. For a regular submission, use this tool, and check your authorship level. If you're under 10% or lower than the 5th contributor by authorship, the reviewer is allowed to decline it as a drive-by "uncontroversially". That wording suggests to me that a reviewer may also controversially decline a review as drive-by if it doesn't meet those criteria, but I haven't heard of anyone doing that. -- asilvering (talk) 17:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Asilvering, interesting! I'm top 3 on "Water", I'll check on other articles. dxneo (talk) 18:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey.

I have a question, Can I put my profile picture from 2021 on my Wikipedia Userpage? MJGTMKME123 (talk) 16:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @MJGTMKME123 and welcome to the Teahouse. Limited autobiographical information on your userpage is fine, see WP:User pages. There is nothing against a photo as long as you are abiding by the copyright restrictions for images. You have to be the copyright holder of the photo (in other words, you have to have taken the photo yourself), and you have to release the photo in permissive license so that Wikipedia has permission to use it. Mokadoshi (talk) 17:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I will put it one day. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 18:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Help with wikidata item

I was trying to link the various pages of pepper (Capsicum) from rowiki with their counterparts in enwiki. But I messed up the Capsicum annuum interlanguage links instead (I think I assigned it a new Qid by mistake and I don't know how to undo that). Can somebody help me undo my mess? Please and thanks! ♦ WikiUser70176 ♦^{(My talk page)} 15:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

P.S. the old and correct QID for Capsicum annuum was Q1380. How do I "give it back"? ♦ WikiUser70176 ♦^{(My talk page)} 16:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiUser70176 I have restored the previous situation for the en articles

Capsicum annuum Q1380
Chili Q344355

I am not sure what the ro articles should link to, currently they are

ro:Capsicum annuum Q125646208
ro:Ardei iute Q1380

TSventon (talk) 16:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I panicked because I screwed up the enwiki. ro:Capsicum annuum should be Q1380, just as en:Capsicum annuum. The problem appeared when 2 rowiki pages ro:Chili and ro:Ardei iute have two different Qs but they refer to the same thing. Because ro:Chili redirects to ro:Ardei iute, I wanted to assign Q344355 to ro:Ardei iute. Long story short, I effed up enwiki by mistake. Thanks again for correcting it. BTW, how did you do it, maybe I learn something. ♦ WikiUser70176 ♦^{(My talk page)} 17:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiUser70176 thank you for seeking help when something went wrong. You can see what I did in today's entries at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TSventon , each edit has a difference. I think I learned the basics of Wikidatas through trial and error, so I didn't start with a manual. The first few steps were

I opened the wikidata items Q1380 and Q344355

I clicked edit on the lists of Wikipedia links at the bottom of the page

I copied Chili from enwiki at Q1380

I clicked the remove icon for enwiki at Q1380 and then publish

I entered en and pasted Chili at the bottom of Q344355 and then clicked publish

I would also have moved the description from the In more languages section at the top, but that was already correct.

Finally I was left with duplicate items Q1380 and Q125646208 so I merged them using the merge gadget, see d:Help:Merge. I hope that all makes sense. TSventon (talk) 18:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Help with using non-free image

So there’s this non-free image: File:IKEA Blåhaj plush shark toys - regular and small variants - side and bottom views.png

I want to put it in the article LGBT symbols under the Blåhaj section, which is here: LGBT symbols#Blåhaj

I think this can be done under the rationale that it would be used “to illustrate the three-dimensional work of art in question”.

But apparently you have to write a new non-free use rationale for each article you use a non-free image in? I’m not sure how to do that. Could somebody please do it for me? Thank you so much. SigurdsSister (talk) 16:17, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@SigurdsSister, hello! I added something, [1], based on what I saw here:[2]. I'm not 100% sure this use will not be challenged, but IMO it's worth a shot. Blåhaj, huh? Man lär sig något nytt varje dag. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok can you please put the image on the LGBT symbols page under the Blåhaj section then? Thanks.SigurdsSister (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Done:[3] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!!SigurdsSister (talk) 21:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Editing to add a photo

How do I add an interesting photo to a someone's wikipedia biography? MartensBakery (talk) 21:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

MartensBakery Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see WP:UPIMAGE for more information on uploading images. It's easiest if you personally took the image; if you didn't take it, it may still be possible to upload but will be harder. The key thing is that you can't necessarily just take any old image on the internet and upload it here. 331dot (talk) 22:04, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I move this article out of draft?

Draft:Jennifer L. Hall (physiologist) - Wikipedia Starlighsky (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Starlighsky. I have added a header which allows you to submit it for review.

Before you do so, I advise you to find some sources which are independent of Hall - most of the sources you have are either by her, or from organisations she is part of.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 21:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Starlighsky: If you moved that draft to main space, it would be quickly moved back to draft space, or even deleted. See Wikipedia:Golden Rule and modify your draft to comply with it. Currently it does not. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Starlighsky (talk) 23:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I messed up a table.

So I've been working on pages related to Peter Capaldi, and had the idea to create a fork for his awards. However I did something wrong and messed up the table and I dont know how to fix it. Any help? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant did I fix it? I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like. -- asilvering (talk) 17:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait, I think I put Watership Down in the wrong column. But that should be easier to fix. Ping me if you're still stuck, revert me if I made it worse. -- asilvering (talk) 18:01, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortuantly no. You've done more harm then good here I'm afraid. Its supposed to look something like this or this. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I think I don't see the issue at all, in that case. The table looks just like those to my eye, with the only difference being the category and work being switched. -- asilvering (talk) 18:05, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

If you look at the very bottem of the table its quite obvious. Some of the entries are using the wrong color and uneditable in visual mode. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Can you be specific, please? I truly cannot see how this is worse than having a large, bright green cell that says Watership Down | data-sort-value="" style="background: #ececec; color: #2C2C2C; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center; " class="table-na" | —. -- asilvering (talk) 18:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

It fixes that issue but causes the problem of squishing the table leaving the other issues the same. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I can't read your mind, so that's as much as I'll be able to do for you. -- asilvering (talk) 18:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant: Does it look as you want after [4]? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah thanks! Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I am new. I just want to add a reference to a wiki bio. I am using a desktop computer

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_Shadow&section=6&oldid=1186921170&action=edit Bringingtogether (talk) 15:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse you can find useful info on referencing here WP:REFB. Theroadislong (talk) 15:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

There is already a list of 23 references. I just want to add another reference. Bringingtogether (talk) 16:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bringingtogether, are you using Visual Editor? (You can tell by seeing if it's checked at Preferences>Editing). Valereee (talk) 16:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The ref gets inserted in the text and the software gives it a number and puts the new ref in the references list. David notMD (talk) 02:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Improving Lev Gatovsky's page

Hello!

I took as a personal task improving the page of Lev Gatovsky's. When I first saw it it only had a couple of assertions and a few references. Since then I have added a lot of content to the page. I left a comment in the talk of the page, included categories, marked several stud's, etc.

My question is, are there any other forms of flagging this article in a way that users that are interested in economics may help also? What are the best ways of making these article reach the max. of people? I would love to have some help!

Thanks FranGallego33 (talk) 14:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

As you increased the article length by more than 5X, you are permitted to create and submit a proposed "Did You Know" nomination. DYKs, when published on the main page, tend to cause a one-day spike in article readership numbering in the thousands. The old version of the article got only 148 views for all of 2023. Your expansion may not result in a larger draw. David notMD (talk) 14:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply!

Thats a great idea, although I will need to learn first how to do the nomination (I started in wikipedia just a few days ago) :)

I have some more info I will add soon, should I wait for the article to reach "the optimal" or should I submit it already so some more people can jump in?

Another question, in case I wanted to do the Spanish version (my native language), how much of the English version can I maintain? Should both pages be different or does wikipedia prefer homogeneity between pages?

And finally (I promise), how can I thank people for their help? In my page says "thanks received" but I dont know how to send them to other helpful users.

Thanks again!! FranGallego33 (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@FranGallego33: Regarding a Spanish version, please see WP:Translate us. Thank you for your contributions! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Much of your expansion has been reverted for being copied from copyright protected sources. ~~That may also disqualify your DYK nomination.~~ There may still be enough new content to qualify for submitting a DYK. David notMD (talk) 03:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

How do i nominate an article for deletion?

The page for Tu'i Pulotu is beyond saving. It is written in complete gibbresh, it’s tone is entirley unfit for Wikipedia, it is written like an essay, but not a very good one. I am convinced that the editor used google translate, was less than 12 years old, or was a troll. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

By the way, the link doesn’t work for some reason. My apoliges. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 01:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I've corrected the link. Agreed. No citations in that. Regards, Aloha27 talk 01:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

One option to consider is to restore the version before any edits by Vusonilawe. That still leaves a lot of text with no refs. David notMD (talk) 02:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248, to nominate articles for deletion, the process is WP:AFD. However, I don't recommend nominating this one, at least for now. The kind of delete you're talking about is what we call WP:TNT, and it will be much, much easier for you to argue for TNT on something once you've had some experience dealing with normal deletion discussions. In general, you won't be successful at deleting articles that suck, only articles that couldn't possibly not suck based on a lack of sourcing. That is, you'll usually be told something in all-caps like "meets WP:GNG, AfD is WP:NOTCLEANUP", regardless of how bad the article is. Lurk at WP:AFD for a bit and then consider nominating it once you've got the hang of it. In the meantime, I'll revert the article to a version from before someone came to "inform people about some truth about the Pulotu Empire". -- asilvering (talk) 03:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Asilvering Consider similar revert at Lutunasobasoba (same editor, same inform...some truths). David notMD (talk) 03:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, but is still think that the grammar and tone are needed to be fixed. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 03:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248, if you think something needs to be fixed, you can place a maintenance tag on the article. WP:TWINKLE makes this easy. -- asilvering (talk) 04:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

A quick Google Books search for "Tu'i Pulotu" indicates that it is probably a notable topic, and a Google Scholar search increases that likelihood. Cullen328 (talk) 04:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Original Research

Hello, I have a question about "original research". If I say in an article "the city's library has eleven branches" and then I cite a source that doesn't say that, but lists all the library's branches (and there are eleven of them) is that original research? Or am I just saying what the source said in a different way? Thank you for your help. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 04:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: Basic counting is absolutely fine! WP:CALC is the most relevant subsection of the Original Research policy, if that helps you out. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 05:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for that resource, very helpful! -- NotCharizard ^🗨 06:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Notcharizard. Simple math like counting from 1 to 11 is not original research, as long as the source indicates that the list was complete at the time of publication. The wording should allow for ambiguity. Perhaps a branch burned down since that source was published. Perhaps a new branch was built. Cullen328 (talk) 05:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Deleting map and coordinates

So in this article The Stud (bar), there’s a pushpin map and a part that says “Coordinates: 37.772773°N 122.410058°W”, both of which are no longer accurate because the bar has moved. I’m not sure how to delete those, preferably while keeping the rest of the gray box that says address, type, etc; can somebody please do that for me?SigurdsSister (talk) 06:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you would want to delete the location. I have updated the coordinates. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

The bar is on 1123 Folsom Street. The pushpin map does not show it being there. So should be either deleted or changed; I don’t know how to do either. SigurdsSister (talk) 08:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

It should be correct now. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks!SigurdsSister (talk) 08:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Problem

This user say they can't edit a Wikipedia article which is not protected. They don't appear to be blocked, so I suggested them to ask the Teahouse. However, they say they can't even edit the Teahouse. Could you answer on their talk page? Thanks 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 09:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

There was an account with a similar name that was blocked recently(AreYouARightPerson)... perhaps it was such a cosmic coincidence that two accounts with similar names were created one after the other that the wiki software applied the block to both. – 2804:F14:80C8:4701:5536:1B4B:F45C:3635 (talk) 11:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

That was a joke about them being autoblocked, by the way. The account you linked was created 5 minutes after the other one, ~29 hours ago, and it started complaining about being blocked 9 minutes after the other account was blocked. – 2804:F14:80C8:4701:5536:1B4B:F45C:3635 (talk) 11:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AreYouARightPerson. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing Yes, thanks 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 11:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Unexpected "Huggle" Edit

I encountered several seemingly random words (in Italian I think) in the middle of an English article so I reverted the edit. My revert was instantly reverted by "Huggle" and I received the following explanation. I'm unclear as to what I did wrong, so, as instructed, I am posting here for guidance.

Hello, I'm JalenFolf. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Cryptoblabes gnidiella—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 20:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC) Kiwikiu (talk) 19:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kiwikiu, @JalenFolf's revert of your removal on Cryptoblabes gnidiella has since been reverted by Jalen themselves, I'm sure they'd be perfectly happy to remove the notice they left on your talk page. You can do so yourself if you wish. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Sorry I didn't think to go back later and check again. Kiwikiu (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

By the way, @Kiwikiu, Huggle is a tool for experienced users to rapidly review many edits and revert vandalism. Toadspike (talk) 11:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

CheezDeez

searching the Æthelstan page on Wikipedia after the introduction there's (in huge letters) the following: User: CheezDeez on top. I tried to edit the page but I can't even see it on the edit page. CheezDeez looks like a banned account. Can someone help and remove it? SalembinAbdullahAlhaddad (talk) 09:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@SalembinAbdullahAlhaddad, are you referring to Æthelstan? Because I don't see any "CheezDeez" anywhere in the article. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Confirming User:CheezDeez has been indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

This was only showing up on mobile for some reason, it turned out to be a problem with the {{literal translation}} template which has now been fixed. -- D'n'B-t -- 13:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Why error ?

I couldn't use the automated system to source a book so I used the manual one but it shows an error and I don't know why. Could you tell me what I did wrong ? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fusajiro_Yamauchi&oldid=1221199874 Maxime12346 (talk) 13:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Maxime12346. If you look at the error message for that particular citation, you see that the error has to do with the |date= parameter. There's a link in the error message that will take to a page providing more details that you can click on if you want, but in this case the error seems to be with the date format you used. Wikipedia doesn't format dates using ordinal numbers (e.g. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc.) in citations; so, if you change "April 1st 1999" to "April 1, 1999", the problem should be fixed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Maxime12346. I've changed the date from |date=April 1st 1999 to |date=1 April 1999 because the {{cite}} template doesn't process st or th in dates and also because the rest of the article is using DMY dates (see MOS:DATEFORMAT for more info on those). Changing that seems to have fixed your issue. -- D'n'B-t -- 13:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

How to add English and Italian translation of the page ?

How to add English and Italian translation to this article ?

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foro_Paneuropeo_de_Hermandades_y_Cofrad%C3%ADas

Support appreciated MLEKUSCH (talk) 13:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi MLEKUSCH. The article you're asking about is a Spanish Wikipedia article, which means you probably should be asking about it at the Spanish Wikipedia Help Desk at es:Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual. It's also not clear what you mean by adding translations to that article. Do you want to translate the Spanish Wikipedia article into English and Italian? If that's the case, please look at WP:TRANSLATE for more information on how to do that for English Wikipedia and it:Wikipedia:Traduzioni for information about translating article for Italian Wikipedia. Please understand that each language Wikipedia is a separate project with its own policies and guidelines; so, it best to ask about things related to English Wikipedia on English Wikipedia and things related to Italian Wikipedia on Italian Wikipedia. If, on the other hand, articles about this subject already exist on English Wikipedia and Italian Wikipedia, and you just want to add links to these articles to the Spanish Wikipedia article, then go to the Spanish Wikipedia article page and click on "3 idiomas" and then click on "Añadir idiomas". There should be instructions on how to add links to other language Wikipedias. If these instructions are unclear, please ask for help at the Spanish Wikipedia Help Desk I linked to above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank You! Very much appreciated MLEKUSCH (talk) 14:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

What's the best way to cite for a list of people?

I'm working on the Kill Tony draft and there's a list of guests which will probably require sourcing them to different websites. What's the best way to structure the citations/is there another example I can model from? Thanks! SmolBrane (talk) 18:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@SmolBrane My advice would be to trim the Notable guest hosts severely, consider WP:PROPORTION. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm... I don't think I agree with this. I will use the SNL articles as template here. Regards SmolBrane (talk) 15:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Update of my Wikipedia page

Dear Wikipedia community, someone kindly created a Wikipedia page of me, however, they include my former position and several other things need update. However, when my colleagues update the page, someone immediately revert to original. Not knowing who created the page, I can't ask them to update, so what do I do? CarpentierCLC (talk) 16:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. It would help to know which article you are referencing. Your colleagues hopefully declared that they were your colleagues as the conflict of interest policy asks. You are welcome to make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed, preferably sourced to an independent reliable source. Please be familiar with the autobiography policy as well. 331dot (talk) 16:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@CarpentierCLC: Here is our FAQ for article subjects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Next steps on peer review from experienced Wikipedia contributors

Hello, I have drafted a page. I would like to get some feedback before I publish it. I also need to know how best I should include company facts (number of employees, management structure, turnover, location etc) like a side knowledge panel I think. I don't want to waste other peoples time but I do want to learn properly. MotionMogul123 (talk) 08:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. The best way to get feedback is to submit the draft(which I assume is User:MotionMogul123/Eurospares) for a review by clicking the "Submit your draft for review!" button. The reviewer will either accept it or decline it and give feedback. 331dot (talk) 08:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Cheers, is it a peer to peer review by a random Wiki admin or can you do it for example? MotionMogul123 (talk) 10:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

It's odd that you ask for feedback without saying where your draft is. Anyway — if this is about User:MotionMogul123/Eurospares, you need to use proper section headers

Like this

instead of boldface. That way, you get a contents list with no extra work. Maproom (talk) 09:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

doneDavid notMD (talk) 20:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! MotionMogul123 (talk) 10:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Cheers, I was unsure about etiquette if I post it on here. You found it, thanks for section headers. Do you think the page would need a side knowledge panel? Or do I talk more detail during the review process? I have not done a review before. MotionMogul123 (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

MotionMogul123 When you submit the draft is goes to a backlog of drafts. The system is not a queue, so a reviewer could decide to review it in days, weeks, or even months. If Declined, reasons are given. You can address those and resubmit. David notMD (talk) 11:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I have a question about a side knowledge panel, can I ask on here with this thread or is it advise to start a new thread/chat? MotionMogul123 (talk) 17:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

how do you join the counter-vandalism unit

I am interested in joining CVU and OEE, how do I join. Wikipedia backwards (almost) v2.0 (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@AedipikiwTwo It sounds like you already know about WP:CVU, so maybe you should visit one of its subpages to learn more. See Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy. You should also read the guidance at Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism (which says enlisting isn't required) and perhaps ask any questions on their respective talk pages. Almost all the projects we have don't actually require any joining process, though there is often a voluntary 'sign-up' page for some of them. In other words, if you want to do something, just do it. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Do lists need to have sources?

Hello! I'm de-orphaning articles, and I came across a page called List of people from Tehran. (Not de-orphaning this article, just wanting to add a orphan article to it)

At the top, the "this article needs citations" template message is there, but I'm curious why this type of article needs citations at all, as it just links to notable people from Tehran, where the sources for the people would be listed at their respective articles.

An explanation would be very helpful and appreciated!

PolarClimates (talk) 17:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Sources help the article or list. Cwater1 (talk) 18:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@PolarClimates Welcome to the Teahouse. To expand on what Cwater1 stated: sources are indeed helpful - and often needed - to establish factual statements and assertions. But you generally don't need to supply sources in 'List of' articles simply to justify their inclusion in that list providing it's pretty obvious when you follow the link to the relevant page that that person did indeed come from - or live in- the named place.

The problems tend to arise more in 'List of alumni from...' articles. If there's nothing in the target article to show they attended a given school or college, then a citation is definitely needed to justify their place in the List article. If a citation couldn't be given, it would be reasonable, then, to remove that name ( or at least to add a ^{[citation needed]} tag. But 'List of people from...' articles don't usually face that difficulty, and so a citation is generally not needed. Does that make sense? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

It does. Thank you! PolarClimates (talk) 19:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, thank you. I was trying to help to. :) Cwater1 (talk) 20:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Uploading a File

So I am confused, what is the difference between "non-free" and "freely licensed". Wikipedia:File upload wizard GamrrOverDue (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Also sorry, another question. I am curious how to upload/make an article. GamrrOverDue (talk) 19:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@GamrrOverDue Making an article is quite a difficult task to undertake when you're new to Wikipedia. I've made a couple myself and it can take hours, even days of work just to find sources. I'd advise that you do some tasks and read through the welcome message that I'm going to put on your talk page, it'll have helpful information and tutorials to guide you through some of our processes.

When you feel as if you're ready to make an article, please see the your first article page. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Non-free media can only be uploaded to individual Wikipedia language forks, such as right here on English Wikipedia and can only be used within strict parameters - they cannot be used on other language forks unless they're uploaded there. To upload non-free use media, you would need to use a valid non-free content criteria.

Freely licensed media can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons so that they can be used anywhere on any language fork. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Doggo has explained how you can use free and non-free media, but not what they are.

"Free", for the purposes of Wikipedia and Wikimedia commons means one of three things:

It is so old that its copyright has expired and it has entered the public domain. The exact length of time depends on the country, and may be to do with the date of creation or publication, or the date of death of the creator, or both.
The copyright owner has explicitly placed in the public domain. This is quite rare, but much material published by the US federal government has been released in this way (though not by all states, or by most other countries). Tom Lehrer has recently released all his songs - words, music, and recordings - in this way.
The copyright owner has explicitly released it under a "copyleft" licence such as CC-BY-SA, which allows anybody to reuse or alter the material for any purpose, commercial or not, without requiring permission or payment (though there can be other requirements, such as attributing it).

Most images and other media - and in particular, most media you find on the web - are not free in this sense. You should assume that any image is not free unless you can find a positive reason to believe it is free. ColinFine (talk) 20:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism on a table template that is still effective on Wikipedia pages

I've noticed vandalism on Meshuggah#Awards_and_nominations. From what I understand, it comes from the awards table template. Apparently, from a quick search, 38 pages are still affected by this even though the vandalism has been fixed. I don't know how to clean those pages WinxGamer1000 (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

You can purge the pages to clear the page's server cache. The cached version will also expire with time. I'm not seeing the vandalism on that page, but I purged it just in case. If you're still seeing it, it may be your browser's cache, in which case a hard refresh should do the trick. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh sorry, the dummy edit I made worked as a rudimentary purge. I'll run through them and purge them, luckily there's a gadget for it. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

There we go, went through all the results and purged them all so there shouldn't be any more issues. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, about recipes...

Would I be able to create an article on a certain recipe for my mother's homemade chicken salad? Caden990 (talk) 22:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Caden990: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1223. Unless your mother's recipe has been talked about in reliable, independent sources, Wikipedia won't accept an article on it. Also be mindful that Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

No, Caden990, you would not. I quote from your creation Draft:Analog and Digital Transmission: recently I was listening to the radio, and all of the sudden, everything went quiet. That was not the first time something occurred like that, so I was not shocked. It seems that you are unfamiliar with encyclopedias. Please read a few articles before attempting to improve existing articles, let alone attempting to create new ones. -- Hoary (talk) 23:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I just finished taking the edit tutorial, and I believe I am ready to re-edit my Draft: Analog and Digital Transmission. Could you tell me what additional recommendations you could provide me with?@Hoary EdenBAnn (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

BTW, could not log back in to my other account, so I had to create a new one. EdenBAnn (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

For attribution, transparency, and general ethical purposes, would you mind disclosing the name of your previous account on your userpage? Thanks. Cremastra (talk) 19:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it was Caden990, and I will do that now! EdenBAnn (talk) 20:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

In your blog? Sure, that would be nice. But, rule of thumb—could you credibly picture it in the Encyclopedia Britannica? Recipes, unless they're really well-known (example: Peach Melba) are generally encyclopedic. But thanks for asking! Cremastra (talk) 23:36, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't. An article about that would most likely get deleted, unless you can somehow show notability with reliable sources. If there are any reliable sources on your mother's recipe, I'd suggest adding it to the existing chicken salad article. Regards. Kentuckian |💬 02:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Caden990, there is a big difference between a Dish (food) and a recipe. We definitely have many articles about dishes, but an article describing a specific recipe in detail is inappropriate. There are endless variations of recipes, and it is not the role of Wikipedia editors to decide which is the best or the most authentic. Or the worst. Unless your mother is a well-known professional chef whose chicken salad recipe has been widely reviewed by professional restaurant critics, it is not appropriate to discuss her recipe on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 04:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I have to re-login, but thanks for letting me know. 2603:8080:5802:B303:621B:1B99:B001:C07A (talk) 14:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! 2603:8080:5802:B303:621B:1B99:B001:C07A (talk) 14:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Broken table

List of planned future spaceflight launches#2030

The table in this section is not properly closed (no bottom border) but I can't figure out what's wrong. Can someone take a look and fix it? Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 01:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Fixed (I think because idk either) Quirkykiana (talk) 16:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I think this was the right fix. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

oops, ty for that @PrimeHunter, I did not notice that error. Quirkykiana (talk) 19:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to both! 76.14.122.5 (talk) 21:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

No problem! :) Quirkykiana (talk) 21:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Muncaster Castle

Please would someone take a look at recent edits at Muncaster Castle. There seems to be a nascent edit war ([5]) here. The involvement of another editor might help deal with this at an early stage. Thanks. ThoughtIdRetired _TIR 08:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

IIlIlIl and ThoughtIdRetired: Editor User:IIlIlIl made changes to Muncaster Castle, reverted by User:ThoughtIdRetired, restored by II. TIR left a message at II's Talk. A better place for this to continue would be the Talk page of the article. The issue appears to be about the addition of new content, some of it perhaps inadequately referenced, AND the deletion of referenced content. II has also created and submitted a draft Draft:Pennington Family, the hereditary occupants of Muncaster Castle, and also added content to Pennington (surname) and Pennington, Cumbria, and so appears to have knowledge about the topics, but in some instances is adding content without references or inserting the content where it is not covered by an existing reference. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

If you know the topic at hand, my edits are common sense. Otherwise, you are a troll. Cheers to all. :) IIlIlIl (talk) 11:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, "Sir John Frecheville Ramsden, 6th Baronet discussed proposed modifications to the castle with Edwin Lutyens from 1916, but nothing came of these; Lutyens did design the Muncaster War Memorial, constructed in 1922, on a commission from Ramsden." was the only thing deleted as it pairs in historical context to the added sourced material. IIlIlIl (talk) 11:27, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

IIlIlIl, on the requirement for verifiability of such material as The place is now corruptly known as "Muncaster", which first appeared in a Cumberland church register in 1577, the original name according to all old evidence and records being "Mulcaster", registered in the pipe rolls of Cumberland circa 1150 (also as Molecaster and Mulecaster in 1190 and 1236 respectively), see WP:Verifiability. Many potential contributors find this requirement onerous; they would be happier writing for alternative websites. -- Hoary (talk) 12:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I did not write that. Copeage. You guys need to learn to read. IIlIlIl (talk) 12:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

My only point is that Teahouse is not a useful place for this dispute. Teahouse hosts are here to provide general advice on Wikipedia guidelines, rules, etc. If any of the dispute devolves to actual edit warring, the typical reponse it a temporary block on editing, which I imagine everyone involved wants to avoid. David notMD (talk) 12:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I have sourced everything, as I have said. Logs are easy to read and if they're too hard, do touch anything and move on with your day. Most of the history was unsourced beforehand--to which this guy is crying to me about-- and the one thing I deleted is random. The former seat deserves more attention to the real history. Look up the Muncaster Castle's website and you will see all of the information I have put, along with my sources. IIlIlIl (talk) 12:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, @IIlIlIl, you're coming in here kind of hot. Try to assume good faith on the part of other editors, and please don't call other editors trolls because they're disagreeing with you or not understanding what you're doing. Valereee (talk) 14:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

That is ironic. I had all my edits changed by someone who could not even properly articulate what I changed. I do not have to be nice, I have to be correct. Cheers :). IIlIlIl (talk) 19:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

You indeed did not write that, IIlIlIl. My mistake. Yes, I need to learn how to read. (For one thing, "Copeage" baffles me, as I now lack access to the OED.) Do you still have a question? -- Hoary (talk) 23:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Nice helps. David notMD (talk) 11:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Large scale deletion of sourced content

Mtaylor848 has unilaterally deleted 6,348 bytes - the majority of a section that evolved 2016/2017 - with the edit summary: "None of this is relevant to Shirebrook" (wl added). It refers to a major employer established from scratch, effectively replacing one defunct traditional employer with a much, much larger modern version, so IMO is relevant to the article. At least one admin whose username I recognise has regularly edited, allowing the same content.

In the absence of any further advice, I will assume the content (or majority) is correctly-sourced.

The Talk page is entirely-unused for discussion, so unlikely to attract responses. Comments, please? 82.13.47.210 (talk) 23:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

My opinion is that the deleted content devoted undue weight to one side of a controversy, and therefore violated the Neutral point of view. No attempt was made to present the point of view of the company or the legal immigrant workers. The content was excessively lengthy in the context of other content in the article. So, I agree with the removal. Wikipedia is not the place to Right Great Wrongs. Cullen328 (talk) 23:37, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Jim; I appreciate the time taken to consider.--82.13.47.210 (talk) 00:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

If you have any interest in further discussion of this issue, please continue at Talk:Shirebrook#Large_scale_deletion_of_sourced_content. Fabrickator (talk) 01:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Article Translations

I have translated “Botswana” into 3 different languages (that I don’t speak, however I was able to put an info box and use a dictionary to put together a very very very short description) the languages were Hawaiian, Cheyenne, and Iñupiaq. When I go to the English Wikipedia Botswana it still says “missing” in those languages. Does anyone know if this is time based? Thanks. ^48JCLTalk 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

48JcL48, please do not translate articles into languages that you do not speak. Cullen328 (talk) 20:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Terribly sorry, I thought it would be OK since I was using dictionaries and I had seen other people stating they used dictionaries to edit on other Wikipedias. ^48JCLTalk 20:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

As for Hawaiian, I do actually know a bit, not a lot, because it’s mostly duolingo stuff. ^48JCLTalk 20:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi 48JcL48. If you're just translating these articles for practice or for use outside of English Wikipedia or any of the other non-English Wikipedia's, then don't worry about it too much. Just make sure you comply with the licensing requirements in WP:TRANSLATEUS. If, however, you're translating English Wikipedia articles in other non-English language Wikipedia articles, then you might want to stick to those languages that you're fairly competent in and have a good understanding of. You don't have to be fluent in the other language per se (though that would be a good thing). Not only do you need to make sure you comply with relevant licensing requirements, but you also should be capable of creating a translation that doesn't sound like complete gibberish or that isn't a mess grammatically or stylistically; otherwise, there's not much benefit to readers of your translated articles and other more competent users of that language may actually have cleanup your translations quite a bit if they're unreadable or un-encyclopedic. Using a dictionary might help you figure out which words to use, but you also need to know how to put all of the words together properly to make them understandable. Moreover, a dictionary probably won't be able to help you too much with formatting or other stylistic things that are particular to these other languages. Finally, you should understand that each local Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines, and its own communities applying them; so, it probably would be a good idea to understand the languages your creating articles in just to be able to communicate with others in that language smoothly in case their are any problems. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I know, I didn’t want any of the articles to be grammatically incorrect so they are short ^48JCLTalk 21:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@48JcL48, the reason they are showing as "missing" is because you haven't updated the wikidata item. Go to Botswana (Q963), and add your articles to the list there, and they will be linked immediately. -- asilvering (talk) 21:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

~~::Do you know how? ^48JCLTalk 23:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)~~

~~Oops, that was a a stupid question ^48JCLTalk 23:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)~~

wait, i cant edit ^48JCLTalk 23:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering ^48JCLTalk 23:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@48JcL48, you're not blocked, so you should be able to. Make sure you're logged in, and then you should see an "edit" link right where it says "Wikipedia(253 entries)" and lists all the other languages. -- asilvering (talk) 01:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

theres no edit button. It could be the fact that i might not be autoconfirmed and theres a silver padlock on the wikidata article ^48JCLTalk 12:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@48JcL48 can you give links to your translations please? I'll try to do it for you. -- asilvering (talk) 18:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

course!

Here’s the Cheyenne Wikipedia article: https://chy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botswana

Here’s the Hawaiian Wikipedia article: https://haw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botuana

Here’s the Inupiatun Wikipedia article: https://ik.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paasuana

Here’s the Inuktitut Wikipedia article: https://iu.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%90%B3%E1%91%A6%E1%94%85%E1%95%9A%E1%93%87 And I think that is it. ^48JCLTalk 21:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

For some reason, the Inuktitut characters turn into numbers when I c&p them. ^48JCLTalk 21:26, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Done. They're all linked now. -- asilvering (talk) 22:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Bro tysm ^48JCLTalk 01:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

A lot of other stuff needs update. For example, the HDI calculation method has changed so now all of Botswana’s past HDIs are inaccurate. The current (2022) hdi is 0.708 ^48JCLTalk 12:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Asking for new suggestions on edits that are easy (I'm new to the teahouse))

I just want to help out more because all I do is add links to wikis or corrects spellings. can i have suggestions? I'd be happy to help more people :) PHS (Philipines) Geek (talk) 01:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, click on your username in the top right. It should say, “Hello, (Username) and if you set filters it will give you suggestions on articles that need cleanup and stuff ^48JCLTalk 01:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I must be dumb as a post. First off, my username is more to the left of the center, not at the top right, but that's just a link to my contributions. I did find "pages needing attention", but that's marked as dead; there was also some sort of category thing about articles needing attention, mentioning a need for improved citations, but IMO, that's not going to be very satisfying, unless somebody has a real focus on a limited topic area. Fabrickator (talk) 02:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

(Leftmost among the links shown at the top right for me. What's shown there could be different for experienced editors who've used scripts and fiddled with preferences.) Not sure if you're talking about the same thing but I think they were talking about Special:Homepage. Older editors may not see it by default. It can be enabled in the preferences, if not. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Special:Homepage is certainly a page I don't ordinarily see. I am using the Chrome browser under Windows, so maybe doesn't apply to this environment. I will note that the page has a section on "Suggested edits", where you're supposed to indicate what sorts of topics you might be interested in. I was quite perplexed by this interface, I finally figured it out. It just displays a count of the number of articles in the list, but if you click on one or more categories, it limits it to those categories and seems like after a couple of more prompts, it ultimately will cut back to a smaller list and/or just pick one for you. The UI just non-obvious to me. Fabrickator (talk) 04:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Time Space Metric engineering

Can anyone find time space metric engineering, that has been deleated from wikipedia 70.57.112.72 (talk) 04:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Yo yo yo! I'm hoping this will qualify as a winner! Warp-field experiments (wayback archive) Fabrickator (talk) 04:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Here is the article as found on HandWiki: Warp-field experiments on HandWiki Fabrickator (talk) 05:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

My edit on "Criticism of Amnesty International"

Why Israel official account on twitter it's not a reliable source? Why the jerusalem post it's not a reliable post? 84.110.218.178 (talk) 09:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

At Criticism of Amnesty International. David notMD (talk) 09:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:ARBPIA. Like other editors have told you on your talk page, You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive), and you may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on any edits related to this topic. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Even though the article is not locked, IP postings are not allowed. You have posted content six times so far and it has been reverted by several editors. David notMD (talk) 10:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

These editors are pro-Palestinian, with one of them writing in his profile that it should be violently opposed. Now, my paragraph is to the point, it is about "criticism of Amnesty" in the paragraph of "Israel". There is a reference from Israel's official account to Amnesty's claims, so how does this not meet the criteria? They present a Palestinian terrorist, who murdered and kidnapped an Israeli soldier as a "writer", there was a serious backlash from pro-Israeli elements. It is debatable whether this is justified, but why deny that it drew a lot of criticism?

And in addition, an article from the Jerusalem Post newspaper. Now, what's the problem with this paragraph? 84.110.218.178 (talk) 10:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thinking that the reason things happen is because "These editors are pro-Palestinian" is one of the reasons we have the restrictions. You are not ready to edit in the topic area. It is not a battleground or a place for you to advocate. There are simple rules. You can follow the rules. It's easy. If you can't follow the rules why are you here? And you should read the Wikimedia Universal Code of Conduct. Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

The main issue isn't the content. The issue is you're not extended-confirmed, which breaks WP:ARBPIA. If you continue to make edits to the article, you may be blocked. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

how do I get one? 84.110.218.178 (talk) 10:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:XC. You need to be registered for at least 30 days and has made 500 edits. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

For the great majority of articles, non registered can edit (edits attributed to an IP number), and registered accounts achieved "Confirmed" status with 4 days and 10 edits. "Extended confirmed" has the above-mentioned higher requirement. David notMD (talk) 11:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

In addition to needing 30 days and 500 edits, you also need that on a registered account, not your IP address. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Key citations and backlinks for websites.

I own a local pressure washing company and im trying to create more backlinks and boost my domain authority. The website is https://pressurewashclayton.com

Any help would be greatly appreciated Acp1776 (talk) 04:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Acp1776, Lol, This is Wikipedia not a SEO boosting or forum site where you can get backlinks. Are you serious. 🙂. Grabup (talk) 05:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Acp1776 asked nicely and didn't try to add links to articles like many spammers. Thanks for that. We don't offer such a service and our external links have nofollow so they don't contribute to page rank in search engines like Google. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

That’s true, he is a good faith person.✌🏻 Grabup (talk) 10:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

How to edit "Notes"

I'm trying to edit "Notes" section of the page Cycle double cover. It only shows "{{reflist|2}}. Where is reflist|2?

Geneweng (talk) 11:25, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Geneweng You don't edit the notes section, you add new notes to the article in the main body; the notes section is where those notes are, much like the references section, kept in one place so you can find them easier. See WP:NOTES. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

"Did you know..." section

So I just checked the “Did you know...” section on the front page of Wikipedia. And there is this interesting article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G299.2-2.9

But after I looked at its lead, there is something very odd about it. It says the object is 4,500 years old and 16,000 light years away from us. This doesn't make sense by the laws of physics for it to be visible in our sky. So I tried to check the source and looked for the number 16,000 but I couldn't find it. Nightwatcher773 (talk) 10:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Nightwatcher773 You can see the nomination discussion here, where in this source it states "G299.2-2.9 is an intriguing supernova remnant found about 16,000 light years away in the Milky Way galaxy . Evidence points to G299.2-2.9 being the remains of a Type Ia supernova, where a white dwarf has grown sufficiently massive to cause a thermonuclear explosion. Because it is older than most supernova remnants caused by these explosions, at an age of about 4500 years, G299.2-2.9 provides astronomers with an excellent opportunity to study how these objects evolve over time. It also provides a probe of the Type Ia supernova explosion that produced this structure." CommissarDoggo^Talk? 10:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for providing another link. But I'm still puzzled, how can something that is only 4,500 years old have its light traveled for 16,000 light-years? Doesn't this mean its light has a speed of at least 3.6 times the speed of light? Nightwatcher773 (talk) 10:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm... Not sure. It's not really something I'm particularly knowledgeable about, hopefully someone here will be able to give you an answer. You can also head to WikiProject Astronomy talk page to see whether they can give you an answer. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I just did that. Nightwatcher773 (talk) 11:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Nightwatcher773: The article source is [6] which says: "Assuming the distance of d ~ 5 kpc, we derive a Sedov age of τ ~ 4500 yr and an explosion energy of E₀ ~ 1.6 × 10⁵⁰ ergs." I'm not an astronomer but I guess it's an estimate of the age at which we see the supernova explosion, ignoring how long it took the light to reach us. There must have been supernova explosions for billions of years so maybe "older than most supernova remnants caused by these explosions" only refers to those we have discovered. Signs of older supernova may be hard to detect. But again, I'm not an astronomer. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense. Thank you! Nightwatcher773 (talk) 11:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

how to translate a page

hi, I'm trying to translate a page called Stuart Burrows into Russian, but I keep getting an error that says "Your translation contains of 100% of machine translation." I don't know how to type in Russian, since I don't have a Russian keyboard, I have an English Keyboard (Qwerty). So can someone help translate this page, since I can't do it? Thanks Quirkykiana (talk) 20:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Quirkykiana, you shouldn't be translating into languages you don't know yourself. You're very likely to introduce errors of fact. People who can't read English and need a Russian translation can simply machine-translate the page themselves. -- asilvering (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

sorry, I was trying to help, and that was not helping. :( Quirkykiana (talk) 21:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I see from your userpage that you speak Spanish, have you considered doing translations to and from es-wiki? That would be extremely helpful! There are loads of articles that need expansion from Spanish! Have a look at Category:Articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia. There's enough to keep you busy there for a long, long time. -- asilvering (talk) 21:31, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok! Gracias, errr... Thank you! :D Quirkykiana (talk) 21:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Be careful with machine translations. If you make use of Google Translate or some other tool, be sure to run the translation in both directions to make sure the meaning doesn't change. I did this when I translated Paul Trappen from German to English. I know a little bit of German, but I used Google Translate to help me, and I made sure that the words I came up with translated properly in both directions.

I also carefully checked sources, and translations of sources, to make sure what I wrote in English represented the sources rather than the German version of the Wikipedia article. It was the only time I attempted a translation as an exercise, and even though it was a rather short article, it was a significant amount of work to get it right. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I will, thanks for the warning :) Quirkykiana (talk) 12:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

How can i write on new topics ?

How can i write on new topics ? And i will be getting credit right for the articles i will be writing and editing ? Tiwari Richa (talk) 11:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tiwari Richa I can see you've received a welcome notice on your talk page, that will give you some helpful tips on how to get started on Wikipedia.

If you're planning on making a new page on Wikipedia then I'd say that it's probably one of the hardest things you can do on this platform, I've seen people say it's like trying to build a house from scratch right after your first lesson in architecture. Having made a couple myself, I'm inclined to agree.

You should learn more about how Wikipedia operates first, using the welcome notice on your talk page as a helpful guide. If you have any questions about Wikipedia at all, feel free to pop them here. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tiwari Richa also see WP:WELCOME for some useful links for getting started. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 11:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Editors do not 'own' articles they create. For any article, clicking on View history (top bar menu) provides a chronological history of edits, so it is easy to see who created an article and who has contributed. But the articles do not have by-lines. For hyper-popular articles (example Taylor Swift) there have been thousands of edits by hundreds of editors. Some editors choose to list the articles they created or raised to Good Article status on their User page. David notMD (talk) 12:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I also recommend working at improving existing articles before attempting to create a new article. When ready, see WP:YFA for the process of creating and submitting a draft to a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi there - welcome to Wikipedia. I am new as well and have found it very helpful to spend the first few weeks attempting to 'deorphan' pages. Go to Category:Orphaned articles You will find lists of thousands of pages that are 'orphans' which means they are not linked to any other page. Finding connections and making necessary edits teaches you a lot about how Wikipedia works and gives you skills (especially if you add references / make corrections / update the pages as you go). Since the pages are available under broad categories (such as 'education' or 'southern Europe', you can start by looking at pages on a topic you are interested in or familiar with. Good luck! Newhaven lad (talk) 18:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:Requested articles and/or AFC's Article wizard, as well as WP:Your first article and WP:Referencing for beginners.

Keep in mind that articles and drafts are not signed à la Britannica by their contributors; rather, the credits are listed in their individual page histories. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 14:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

References Cited Formatting Issue

I attempted to fix two issues with citation on the page: List of Protestant missionary societies in China (1807–1953). First, the previous contributor had not used "re-use," so they had duplicated the same source. Second, they had not used the proper bibliographic format, citing an idiosyncratic title they must have made up instead of the actual title and other bibliograhic information. Then I ran into the problem that the newly formated citation I created shows only as a number, while the full citation appears only beneath the Further Reading section. I saw a notice about the format of the References block that had options between appearing only if one hovers over it or clicks on it. I'm not able to get back to that editing box, and even if I could I'm not sure it would fix the present problem. I would be grateful for a link to an article or other advice about how to fix the citation so it appears in the References section. Coryannyyz (talk) 19:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

@Coryannyyz: I've fixed the references section issue. The issue was from this edit, where you replaced {{reflist}} with <ref name=":0" />. The <ref name=":0" /> tag should only be used within the article text, where it will insert a superscript number corresponding to the reference with the name ":0". Then, at the bottom of the page, the {{reflist}} template allows visitors to see the full citation represented by that ":0" tag.

Help:Referencing for beginners is a good crash course on how references work. If you get stuck, feel free to return to this page and we can help! GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, @GorillaWarfare! I certainly didn't intend to do that! I was having trouble figuring out how to edit the note in the table. The article you linked didn't address that particular issue, but it is a very good refresher course, thanks! Coryannyyz (talk) 12:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Coryannyyz: References in tables work just the same as references outside of tables. If you are trying to reuse the same citation for a table cell, you can place <ref name=":0" /> within the table cell (like so). GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 14:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Date format

Is there a particular standard date format for Wikipedia? Fugabus (talk) 14:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! You can see the allowed date formats at MOS:DATEFORMAT and the disallowed formats at MOS:BADDATE. You might also want to read MOS:DATEVAR. LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 15:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Adding a reference list

Hello! I added a reference to SafetyNET p, and tried to add a reference list with the Reflist template, but the reflist isn't showing up. Is there something else I need to do for it to show up? I already tried purging the page. WaterQuark (talk) 16:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! I fixed it in this edit. It looks like you can't use both {{Reflist}} and <references /> or they conflict. I deleted the latter to fix it. I wasn't aware of the latter method at all, the more you know! Mokadoshi (talk) 16:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Sajjan Jindal

Is it right to add Rape allegation information on Sajjan Jindal's page? It is backed with good references. However, it is also mentioned within the content that he found innocent. Bakhtar40 (talk) 11:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bakhtar40, May be added to the Personal Life section, but with compliance with WP:NPOV, It should also include that the case was closed by Mumbai Police by noting “The allegations in the complaint were not found to be true” Grabup (talk) 11:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I think you are at edit war with @Mmccaea. Grabup (talk) 12:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it seems to be. I invited them to join me on the article's talk page, but they opted for the Teahouse, which is perfectly acceptable to me.

As per WP:BLPCRIME, due to Sajjan Jindal not being a direct public figure, though a businessman (sub section "Eminence, but Low-Profile") - "editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured.". My take is based on this. Mmccaea (talk) 12:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Grabup, Thank you for your prompt response. Yes, Mmccaea thinks that it should not be added in the article. but i am agreed as you suggested. Bakhtar40 (talk) 12:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I think Mmccaea, you are right. These allegations should not be there on the page. My apologies for this. I also reverted my edits on the page. Thank you. Bakhtar40 (talk) 12:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bakhtar40 Thank you. Just for your and my knowledge; when we examine cases like the Bofors scandal and Rajiv Gandhi's involvement, we see that they are completely the opposite of principles outlined in WP:BLPCRIME. Because there is no prallel procceding(s) to satisfy this statement "If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory outcomes that do not overrule each other, include sufficient explanatory information." Mmccaea (talk) 12:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mmccaea @Bakhtar40 I'm replying down here to avoid seeming like I'm singling anyone out. For future reference, edit warring is not a valid way to argue a point and it can lead to both of you being blocked. If you delete something that isn't obvious vandalism and it gets reverted, talk it through on the article's talk page to come to a consensus. Please see WP:3RR. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

On my part, I overstepped. I am sorry for it. I will now directly engage on the talk page only instead of resorting to back-to-back reverts WP:3RR. Mmccaea (talk) 12:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I again Sorry for my edits. Will be careful in future. Bakhtar40 (talk) 12:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

CommissarDoggo, removal of content an editor feels might be a BLP violation is considered a valid exemption per WP:NOT3RR, an exemption which I see Mmccaea claimed in multiple edit summaries. Bakhtar40, you should have immediately gone to the talk page to discuss before edit-warring it back in. It doesn't even matter if the editor removing the content has a COI; anyone can remove BLP violations.

From a quick look at the sources, it looks like the case was closed, Economic Times wrote "The city police submitted a B summary report under the provisions of the Code of Criminal Procedure (CrPC) after completion of the investigation, implying the complaint was false, they said." No, this should not be included on a BLP. Valereee (talk) 12:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bakhtar40 and @Mmccaea, if you find yourselves in a similar dispute in the future and can't resolve it yourselves, WP:3O is a good place to ask for an uninvolved third editor to give an opinion. -- asilvering (talk) 14:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank You asilvering for the good explanation. Today, i have leant a great lesson from this edit warring. I believe, it will not happen in future. Bakhtar40 (talk) 17:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

how to learn source code

Hello everyone. I'm new as an editor. I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to learn source code. Thanks in advance. Birdephant. Birdephant (talk) 14:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Birdephant: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1223. You may want to take a look at the cheatsheet to learn what the rudimentary wiki markup is. The source editor should also have buttons that add the appropriate code. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Once you are happy with the basics, an excellent way to learn markup is by studying (and starting to modify) existing code. Find articles that you like the look of, and open them in the source editor, to see how it has been done. If you find a bit of markup, or a template, or even some nested templates, that confuse you, copy the code into your sandbox, and rearrange it to make the function more obvious (eg put all parameters onto separate lines; use spaces and tabs to line up corresponding open/close brackets). Make small changes and see what effect they have - the Preview button is your friend here. Refer to the documentation to understand what you see. Ask questions here - sometimes the why is more important than the how. Enjoy learning. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 18:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Birdephant Just adding to what's been said: I've left a welcome message for you on your talk page. It contains a really useful link to Help:Introduction. If you follow that, you'll see two parallel sets of editing guidance; one for WP:Source Editor and one for Visual Editor. Most experienced editors still prefer to use Source Editor as its more powerful and usually easier to see where mistakes have occurred. But it's not to WYSIWYG as Visual Editor. It's very easy to switch back and forth between them - just click the dark, slanted pencil icon in the upper right hand corner of either editing tool. Good luck on your very own 'Wikipedia Adventure'! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Guidelines to go thru for education institute related articles

Hello hosts and other editors, can you suggest mos/ guidelines (or policies) to read if you want to make or edit articles of university? From ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 18:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi there. I'm familiar with WP:NSCHOOL, but I'm not sure if there are any manuals of style that are specific to universities or schools. Maybe someone else can chime in if I'm wrong. Mokadoshi (talk) 19:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thinking about first article; Notable enough?

Hey everyone, I've been looking at starting my first article. Specifically this article would concern the Thing-Thing series of flash browser games. I wanted to do this mainly for knowledge austerity, especially since these games were quite popular on several flash game sites back in the day.

Would this be a topic notable enough for an article about the series? I definitely think an article per game would be more than overkill, but a single article covering the whole series may be notable enough.

Thoughts? EsperPike (talk) 19:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, and welcome to the Teahouse! The general rules of notability would apply here. In short, it basically says that if there is discussion about the game in reliable, independent, third party sources, then it is fine to have an article. Examples of these types of sources can be articles published in major news outlets. As an example, the article on Line Rider references articles in The New York Times, Gamasutra, and GameSpot. Let me know if that helps you, Mokadoshi (talk) 19:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Mokadoshi!

I've found articles about the series on both Rock Paper Shotgun and TheGamer, both gaming focused news sites, as well as discussion of the games on reddit and Newgrounds.

I understand these other two sites aren't reliable as references, but just looking for sources of notability.

Would this be enough? I feel that I've stumbled across less-notable articles in my (admittedly small) editing history, but I don't want to jump the gun on a bunch of work. EsperPike (talk) 19:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion of the game on Reddit and Newgrounds would not be acceptable to be included in an article as user generated content is generally not allowed. However, the other two sources you found are probably fine. Neither of them have been discussed enough to have been included in the list of reliable sources but that doesn't mean they aren't acceptable, video game publications are sometimes too niche to warrant wider discussion. The general rule of thumb is to try to find a minimum of three sources that are reliable and independent from the game publisher. Also, I forgot to mention the video games notability page. This is basically the same as the other guideline I posted, it just gives more examples that are more helpful for video game articles. Mokadoshi (talk) 19:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Help

I need help making my userpage. I try to add text but if I do it goes INTO the user box. If anyone can help, please respond or edit my userpage directly, thanks. GamrrOverDue (talk) 19:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi GamrrOverDue. Fixed by [7]. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Rules on deletion

New editor here, I'd like to suggest deletion of one of the pages that was recommended automatically. I know WP:PROD can't be used if there's a contested deletion on record. This article has one WP:G11 on record that was revoked within a minute by the same user that added it. Does that preclude the use of WP:PROD? The article is Workday Adaptive Planning, the WP:G11 is from November 2011. TJS808 (talk) 19:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Generally to request pages for deletion you can nominate it in Articles for Deletion. However, it's my opinion that this is unlikely to be deleted. The article cites references to high quality sources such as Fortune Magazine, and it's fair to say there are other high quality sources that could be found on the internet to add to the article. This indicates the subject probably meets the required notability guidelines for corporations, which means it can have an article on Wikipedia. I've only done a cursory look, so I could be wrong. If you disagree I'd highly recommend you don't take my word for it and go ahead and nominate it so the community can discuss it. Let me know if that helps, Mokadoshi (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

The Fortune source is a serialized list of minor venture capital news, which by my reading of the guidelines, isn't enough on its own. I'm guessing you'd recommend the normal AfD process then? TJS808 (talk) 19:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Yep, go right ahead. Also, just curious, have you edited on another account before? You seem to be impressively prepared and knowledgeable about Wikipedia for a newcomer! Mokadoshi (talk) 20:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I've probably made a few IP edits, nothing memorable, but no other accounts. I just read up on deletion guidelines before posting here, didn't want to sound too stupid. Thanks for the help! TJS808 (talk) 20:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask in the Teahouse or you can message me on my Talk page. Happy editing! Mokadoshi (talk) 20:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Looking for more feedback

Hello Teahouse :) I've asked for help a few times here and I always get some solid criticism! I am waiting for my Draft: T-Money (rapper) to be reviewed in the articles for creation queue, in the meantime, does anyone have any additional pointers/edits for me to incorporate? Thanks everyone! Taevchoi (talk) 02:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

"The element of vinyl spinning, rap freestyle, storytelling, and dance remain a key component in the theme of hip hop today, lending credit to T-Money as one of the originators of the sound for hip hop in the mainstream." ¶ One element, or more than one? One component, or more than one? What does "the theme of" contribute to this? "Lending credit to": meaning that it must be returned later? Does "hip hop in the mainstream" mean "mainstream hip hop"? ¶ "Original Concept was one of the first of many artists to sign with Def Jam, which remains one of the most notable recording labels in the music industry today" ¶ In this article, which is not about Def Jam, why say "which remains one of the most notable recording labels in the music industry today"? ¶ "T-Money displayed his acting ability with the portrayal of several other popular characters" ¶ How is this better than "T-Money portrayed several other popular characters"? ¶ "with the last episode going down as a significant page in hip hop history" ¶ What has its significance been? -- Hoary (talk) 04:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Taevchoi, your draft is still shot through with promotional words, phrases and sentences. You need to go thorough the draft carefully and ruthlessly, eliminating every single trace of promotionalism. The content about "T450 Style & Launch Inc" is inherently promotional because there are no secondary sources in your draft discussing it. Cullen328 (talk) 04:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

AH I didn't realize that would be considered promotional. thank you! Taevchoi (talk) 21:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

how to make a template

how to make a template like Template:Bobby Vee? Samchristie05 (talk) 04:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Samchristie05: See {{Navbox musical artist}}, on which your Bobby Vee example is based. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

like this Template:Robert Goulet Samchristie05 (talk) 21:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

How do you change your password on Wikipedia?

How do you change your password on Wikipedia? WalWalgreens (talk) 21:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @WalWalgreens and welcome to Teahouse. You can change your password by going to Special:Preferences and clicking the Change Password button. Mokadoshi (talk) 21:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Change Board President Name | Westminster School District (California)

Hello,

Hope the week is going well. We are looking to update the name of our Board President to Frances Nguyen.

Wikipedia shows our former board president. This is for Westminster School District.

Could we also update our district logo?

Thank you. 2605:A601:A733:F900:88B6:E121:7AE5:ABE1 (talk) 19:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like another user has already done this. Let me know if you have any questions, Mokadoshi (talk) 19:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that user - WSD CTO - seems to be operating a role account and editing with an undeclared COI, which isn't great. IP editor, please review WP:COI and use the talk page (Talk:Westminster School District) to make edit requests in the future. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: Silas Bronson

"Relisting" after an unsuccessful go-round last week, now archived.

As stated before, an article on Silas Bronson (1788-1867)--Middlebury, Connecticut philanthropist, and the namesake of Waterbury's library (I used to live there)--has been on my to-do list for years, and has recently been up for grabs as my next AFC project. During yesterday's research, this next reference came up--but as it's from a publisher of already dubious notoriety, I doubt this will amount to anything worthwhile. (To say this may be the best-looking modern one outside the library's official site, which already counts as PRIMARY, might as well be an understatement.)

Sullivan, Raymond E. (October 2010). Breakneck: The Early Settlement of Middlebury, Connecticut: From 1657 to Its Incorporation as a Town. iUniverse. p. 38. ISBN 978-1-4502-5632-2. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Google Books.

As I'm preparing this post--lo and behold!--a more promising alternative has caught our eye via Open Library.

Anderson, Joseph (1896). "History of Waterbury: Libraries, Book-stores, Literary Societies -- Silas Bronson". The Town and City of Waterbury, Connecticut. New Haven: The Price & Lee Company. pp. 1013–1015. Retrieved 2024-04-29 – via Archive.org.

Beyond that, more viable sources are needed; once again, calling on the S.S. Cunard (talk · contribs) and WP:Connecticut for help. I'll update if I find more in the meantime. (From what I can tell, our sources have more hits on the library than the man himself; even Newspapers.com clippings from his lifespan [the vast majority of them] only amount to passing mentions at best. Perhaps we may try to refocus our mission on coverage of the library in due course?)

Also: Does it count as COI if I'm writing about the library as one of its former patrons? (Remember, I'm now a Florida resident.)

Take care, and if all goes well, see you back at the draftyard. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 13:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

No, that's not a COI. -- asilvering (talk) 14:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 15:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Slgrandson, you seem to be looking for help in writing a draft? If you already know the specific people you want help from, posting on their talk page/the WikiProject talk page would be the thing to do; alternatively, you could create the draft and then make a post on its talk page, directing or pinging others to that post. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 16:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Already taken care of. (But considering the activity level of where I posted, I'm not sure when/if it will take off...)

If you've got any more pointers, @Cunard: I'd like to hear. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Slgrandson, if you'd like to collaborate with someone, the usual thing to do is post on their talk page and start a discussion - I'm not sure why you've carried this to the Teahouse? 57.140.16.48 (talk) 22:50, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you've carried this to the Teahouse?

If only to sort things out and gear up before AFC. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit description

Is there a way tó change it? I find it very annoying when i don’t finish it or Make a spelling mistake, but í accedintally click submit. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Blackmamba31248. If by edit description you mean WP:EDITSUMMARY, then there's no way to change it once you've made the edit. You can, however, make what's called a WP:DUMMYEDIT to correct any errors you might've made in an previous edit summary. Dummy edits, however, tend to work best when you make them right away, and there are no interving edits between the edit summary you're correcting and the dummy edit itself. If too much time has passed and too many other edits have been made before making a dummy edit, it might actually be more confusing than helpful. In such a case, you might just have to live with the original error and explain it as needed if someone asks about it someday. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm trying to place a number after Arabic text but it keeps going back to before the text, what am I doing wrong?

I noticed that at Ahmed Alattar, the date of birth in the lead paragraph has his name in Arabic in the middle (at least on Chrome for Windows, I don't know if other browsers are rendering it correctly), but I haven't been able to move the name to before the full date, so what is going on there? Tube·of·Light 13:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tube of Light Since Arabic is written right-to-left, it got confused and decided "8" was part of the Arabic string for some reason. I've fixed it. -- asilvering (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

That explains it. Thanks! Tube·of·Light 03:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

i want to create a musician entry

question about how to create a new musician entry (Draft:Elizabeth_Goodfellow_(musician)). i made one without a template. i submitted it and it was declined as I failed to include very many references. I now have some more. But I also will need a disambigouation AND thought I might as well start with a nice template to ensure compliance with standard formatting etc. Where do I find one? where can i find a template Diatom.phage (talk) 02:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

No, Diatom.phage, it was not declined because it lacked very many references. It was declined because it failed to show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Three such sources would have sufficed; fifty passing mentions would not have done so. There does exist a biographical template. I forget where it lives, but it wouldn't help you. You're perhaps thinking instead of an "infobox". For most kinds of people, biographical infoboxes are useless. That's a minority opinion, but even the proponents of such infoboxes would tend to agree that they do nothing towards demonstrating either the notability of the subject of a draft or the appropriateness of promoting the draft to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 05:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Random reference at the bottom of the Main Page?

Also, nowhere does it show a footnote. Can someone remove this? - Dents (talk2me 🖂) he/him btw!!! 02:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I see no reference at the foot of the main page, Dentsinhere43. -- Hoary (talk) 05:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary, it was definitely there, but this was already posted and resolved at WP:ERRORS (see Special:Permalink/1221473057#Today's FA). Queen of ♡ | speak 06:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Henry Cavill as Wolverine

Henry Cavill is reportedly going to portray Wolverine / Patch in Deadpool 3, I added it on the talk page of Henry Cavill, but no one has replied. Please, add that information 190.21.184.81 (talk) 02:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't see any posts on that topic on the talk page. You can add a message to the talk page including {{edit semi-protected}} along with an edit request, including sources. RudolfRed (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I was confused because you put it on Talk:Henry_Cavill but linked to the movie article. Its only been a short while since you posted. Be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 02:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Someone already replied ,but he hasn't added it in the article 190.21.171.147 (talk) 07:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello everyone!

This looks like a cool place. I've been editing for about a week, maybe more. Ok, straight to the questions. How do I upload a photo and add it to an article? Tonkarooson (talk) 03:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, Tonkarooson. First, who took the photo -- you, or somebody else? -- Hoary (talk) 05:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I can't reply to the one above for some reason.I didn't do any pictures, I just wanted to know for the future. Would I have to come back? Tonkarooson (talk) 06:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that you had trouble posting to this thread, Tonkarooson; anyway, as you can see, I've moved your response into the existing thread. If you want to upload a photograph that you took, then other than in extraordinary circumstances you own the copyright to it and you are free either to release it under a copyleft licence (which is what people normally do) or to waive all your rights to it ("place it in the public domain"). If the photograph was taken by somebody else during the last X years or was first published more than Y years ago, then usually that person owns the copyright to it and almost certainly you do not. If you don't own the copyright to it you must not pretend that you do. If the photograph was taken more than X years ago or was first published more than Y years ago, it will have entered the public domain and you may upload it, explaining how it has entered the public domain. The values of X and Y vary according to where the photograph was taken or first published, or the nationality of the photographer, etc: it's all explained at Wikimedia Commons. If all this seems complex, it is. Anyway, Wikimedia Commons is where you do your uploading. Unless, that is, you have a very good reason for uploading something that is conventionally copyright ("all rights reserved", or similar), in which case you upload it here with a claim of "fair use" for such-and-such a specific purpose in an article (not in a draft, a talk page, etc) -- but a "fair use" claim is additionally complex, so please forget it for now. Once you've got the photo in Wikimedia Commons, using it in an article is pretty easy. -- Hoary (talk) 07:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Citation bot

Could someone please go to the citation bot (User:Citation bot) & activate it for the article Christianity in India to see if it's working or not? There are bare urls in the article. I tried activating it by typing "Christianity in India" after the activate button, but it didn't seem to work.2409:4071:6EB8:C308:5573:D1CE:ADB2:69E4 (talk) 07:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Honorary Fellows at Oxbridge Colleges

I was checking the list of Honorary Fellows listed for Emmanuel College, Cambridge and noted that several of those listed on the Wikipedia page are not listed by the College (eg Andrew Fane and Sir Leslie Fielding). That suggests the Wikipedia list is out of date. I wonder if there ought to be a policy of stating the date the list was most recently updated on the public face of the page (rather than it being accessible from the talk page only accessible to editors). (Much of the content of Wikipedia is out of date - so I favour a general approach to inserting 'as at April 2024' when making an edit of something that is likely to change over time). Newhaven lad (talk) 18:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Newhaven lad, it doesn't look like this is meant to be a current list of Honorary Fellows? It only says "current" in the sentence A list of current honorary fellows is published in the Cambridge University Reporter, Special No. 2, 2015., which appears to be describing the list linked in the footnote, not our list. -- asilvering (talk) 18:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Agreed - but a casual reader (not an experienced editor who will know this is probably out of date) may be better served by the addition of a date. If it is not meant to be a current list - and it is not a list of everyone who was ever an Honorary Fellow - then it is either a random list of notable people who were at one point a fellow - or a list of fellows at a point in time. Better I think to be clear. I realise that I may be being too purist and happy to leave this for editors' decision. But - unless there is a reason not to - I will add dates when I edit such lists. Newhaven lad (talk) 18:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The appropriate place for this kind of discussion is the talk page of the article in question. You're free to make whatever edits you think are necessary without any previous discussion. -- asilvering (talk) 22:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

thanks for the advice. I'm still getting used to the conventions for Wikipedia discussions Newhaven lad (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Newhaven lad. You might find the information in WP:ASOF helpful. You're correct that it's generally better to use more specific date references than more general relative time expressions for the reasons given in WP:RELTIME; however, even more specific references like "As of XXXX" can still become outdated (sometimes relatively quickly) if they're not regularly monitored and updated. For this reason, using a template like {{As of}} often helps because it adds articles where the template's being used to date-related maintenance categories that are bit easier to monitor. Now, having said that, it's OK to be WP:BOLD and make such improvements that you deem necessary; at the same time, though, others might BOLDly disagree with your "improvements" and revert them outright or otherwise modify them. If that happens, try to work out a solution through article talk page discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

fwiw @Newhaven lad, I really doubt there's anyone who will object to boldly editing that article, especially if you give a rationale on the talk page. It's not very high-traffic. -- asilvering (talk) 23:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that advice - very helpful Newhaven lad (talk) 09:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Yiqi Luo (骆亦其)

Yiqi Luo is a Liberty Hyde Bailey Professor at Cornell University. He is an ecosystem ecologist/biogeochemist.

The overall goal of the research in his lab is to advance predictive understanding of biogeochemical cycles of terrestrial ecosystems under the global change. Key scientific questions to be addressed include: (1) how global change alters biogeochemistry of terrestrial ecosystems and what is the underlying mechanism for such alterations, and (2) how the changes in biogeochemistry of terrestrial ecosystems feedback to global change. These scientific questions are addressed by integrating data with ecosystem models. The main approaches include process-based modeling, data synthesis, data-model fusion via data assimilation and machine learning, and theoretical analysis.

His lab developed the DYNAMIC DISEQUILIBRIUM framework to assess future land carbon sink dynamics, the MATRIX APRROACH to unify land carbon cycle models, and the TRACEABILTY framework to diagnose the uncertainty in model predictions of land carbon cycle. Luo-Ecolab (talk) 19:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question? Also, your name implies you have a conflict of interest with the draft you created for Luo. Conflicts of interest are required to be disclosed. Please read the plain and simple conflict of interest guide to learn how to disclose. Additionally, it is not allowed to have a username that represents the organization you represent. Your username should represent you as an individual, not your company or organization as a whole, and multiple people may not ever use the same account. Please read the username policy and request a name change to a more appropriate name. Let me know if you have any questions, Mokadoshi (talk) 19:25, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Luo-Ecolab, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. That does not mean that anybody can create a new article successfully without first acquiring the skills necessary to do so.

Every day hundreds of people who do not yet have any idea what the requirements are for a Wikipedia article, try to create an article. Usually, they have a frustrating and miserable time, and can't even understand the feedback they get.

i always advise new users to not even try to create an article until they have spent a few months making improvements to existing articles, and learnt about fundamental concepts such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability.

One of the things that makes it even harder if you have a conflict of interest is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. Since you are associated, this means that almost nothing from your own knowledge is relevant, unless it has also appeared in a truly independent source. ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Your account is blocked until you apply to change your User name. Four of your attempts to create drafts have been Speedy deleted for copyright infringement (you used content verbatim from copyright protected sources). Your second attempt at a draft about Draft:Yiqi Luo 骆亦其 was Declined for lack of references. David notMD (talk) 10:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Given that Yiqi Luo occupies an endowed chair professorship at Cornell University, he likely meets Wikipedia's standard for academic notability. What is essential will be to incorporate referenced content that is about him, rather than just about his research. At List of Cornell University faculty, see section Biology, ecology, botany, and nutrition for example articles. David notMD (talk) 10:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Question on Notability

Hey! Sorry asking for help, again. I was reading some questions above to help my understanding. I need help with notability, do we need to be noteable or does the thing we're writing about need to be notable/popular? GamrrOverDue (talk) 20:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Also another question: How do we make a cool name or highlighted/colored, I've seen some others with this and I'd like to try. GamrrOverDue (talk) 20:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi GamrrOverDue. The subject of an article should satisfy Wikipedia:Notability or one of the subject-specific notability guidelines linked there. The article should have sources showing that it does. See Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature for the other question. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Popularity does not always mean Wikipedia-notability. General advice is learn about Wikipedia rules by working to improve existing articles before attempting to create a new article. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Miscount of GA articles

My issue is pretty simple, the bot claims that I have 4 GAs but in reality I have 5. What can I do about it? Thank you. The Blue Rider 14:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@The Blue Rider: The bot's talk page is probably a better place to ask. There or WT:GA. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I would love your contributions

I would like to know whether any of you have encountered a Fulgoridae species. I am currently working on filling the gap of Fulgoridae articles on Wikipedia, especially with photos. If you are not sure which species, I can identify it. Please upload them on Commons and provide the link. For reference of what you can expect them to look like, check https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?taxon_id=54944. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 09:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Note that they are found on every continent but Antarctica. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 09:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse Hosts are generalists, advising on how to edit and create Wikipedia articles. I doubt any Host would recognize a Fulgoridae insect even if one flew up their nose. David notMD (talk) 10:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I am just asking after seeing the reference of what it should look like. I, as I mentioned, were up to creating Fulgoridae articles, and I needed photos beacause people, as you may know, when it comes to insects are more interested in seeing a photo than reading an original description or a Wikipedia description or comparison between similar species. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 11:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I had never heard of fulgorids, and if I've ever seen one, I probably mistook it for a moth. But there are plenty of pictures at Commons. Maproom (talk) 12:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a good amount, but a few are dictyopharidae. My main focus is completing Pyrops, which commons lacks. Pyrops is found in S and SE Asia. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 12:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Still, any other species are welcome, from any side of the world. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 12:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Have you asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Insects? -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 14:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

no. I will ask. Uploader1234567890 (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Snf with multiple authors

Hi. I have an Snf template which has 2 authors. When I add the 2nd surname to the 2nd field, the link (that you click on citation number) doesn't work. I have to use 1st surname and the year of publication. How can I use both surnames (and year if possible)? Sincerely, Aredoros87 (talk) 10:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Aredoros87. The link on the citation number worked in both versions but the link on the reference text to the bibliography didn't work in any of them. Fixed by giving both authors and year like in the bibliography.[8] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Aredoros87 (talk) 20:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

A small additional point: the template is Template:Sfn, an abbreviation of "shortened footnote". You're welcome to keep using an referring to it as "snf", and Template:Snf redirects to the right place anyway, but it might help to switch to the more common name. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for noting that for me. Aredoros87 (talk) 20:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Article

Create new article TheLordOfLight-Lightlord (talk) 12:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a question? Might it be answered by the instructions at Wikipedia:Your first article? Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey! Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for the question. To create a new article, you must be autoconfirmed, which means you have made at least 10 edits, and your account is at least 4 days old. If you are not autoconfirmed, you can create a draft and submit it for review. I recommend you read the following pages: WP:Your first article, WP:Autoconfirmed, and WP:Drafts. Thank you! Kentuckian |💬 13:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

There are many gods and religions in Game of Thrones. Not clear if any might warrant a separate article. David notMD (talk) 14:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@TheLordOfLight-Lightlord, even if you are autoconfirmed, I strongly suggest that you do not put an article directly into the mainspace. Instead, if you want to create a new article, you should create a draft, or use your sandbox. Thanks. Kentuckian |💬 18:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira, Kentuckian, and David notMD: Please ping new, signed-in, users when you reply to them on The Teahouse. In this case, @TheLordOfLight-Lightlord: FYI. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@TheLordOfLight-Lightlord: See Religion section in Themes in A Song of Ice and Fire, R'hllor, for some referenced coverage. Is that enough? David notMD (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

New Wiki Page

Hi, I've been working on a new page (article). I have been in touch with AirshipJungleman29‬ who has been very helpful with make changes and improving the article. I would like to submit for review. Should I wait for AirshipJungleman29‬ to review it one more time or shall I go ahead and submit the "review link"? Thank you Journalist19 (talk) 16:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: User:Journalist19/sandbox Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 16:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

It's really up to you, Journalist19. When you submit it, it might be several weeks before it gets reviewed, during which time you can consult @AirshipJungleman29 or any other editor, and make your own improvements to it. On the other hand, it might be reviewed in ten minutes: we just can't predict when a reviwer might pick it up.

In any case, when it is reviewed, you should get some feedback about it. ColinFine (talk) 17:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

You say "a seasoned automotive journalist" is he covered in salt and pepper? Please give the dry unadorned neutral facts and content like "His insights and analyses aim to provide a deeper understanding of the evolving automotive landscape and its key contributors." is not appropriate for an encyclopaedia. Are you writing about yourself by any chance, if so please read WP:AUTOBIO. Theroadislong (talk) 18:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

There are 13 references. None has a title that suggests it says much about the man. But possibly several do. Which of the 13 are the most substantial? 1.33.56.248 (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Before any action, you must address the PAID query on your Talk page. If paid, then acknowledge on your User page. If not paid, but COI (see WP:COI), acknowldege that. If neither, explain how you came to create this draft about this person, including a photo you claim as your own work. You have now, on your Talk page, confirmed paid status. Declare that on your User page. David notMD (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I get approved for reading an article?

So I've seen some articles have these audio files that play the articles, and I want to update some of these, as I see that some of them are quite outdated. How do I put an audio file of me recording an article to Wikipedia and get it approved?

Jesoysauce (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I think you should visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia, which has information on how you can do that. 331dot (talk) 21:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

would this count as personal info

can I send someone my username on Fortnite? Ill delete it after, and well talk on fortnite EdenBAnn (talk) 22:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry but this is definitely not the place to talk about Fortnite or epic games unless it is to edit the articles ^48JCLTalk 22:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

sounds good, thank you EdenBAnn (talk) 22:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

je voudrais cree un artice commen puige fair

comment puige cree n artice Eluwner (talk) 18:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Translation: I would like to create an article how to do it; how does puige[?] create an article 57.140.16.48 (talk) 19:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

puige --> puis-je asilvering (talk) 06:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia. If you want to write in French, try the French Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Learning how to write NPOV is mind blowing

I absolutely love making edits that are NPOV and encyclopedic. I used to struggle on writing with a neutral tone, (felt impossible) but after practicing for almost six months I've really started to understand it better.

Now when I see people writing things here or online that sound like fluffery, I seriously get sick to my stomach! Wikipedia hasn't been easy to learn, but its been fun and rewarding, and despite many 'biters' in the beginning, I am ultimately grateful for the scrutiny I faced on my earlier edits because It made me want to do better.

Anyone just getting into the community, I encourage you to stay and work your edit muscles, Wikipedia is pretty awesome for that! Comintell (talk) 19:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Comintell: I agree. Practicing on Wikipedia has made me better at identifying dishonest journalism.

On the downside, it has made my everyday writing kind of boring, just-the-facts style. There's an art to mastering the creation of "compelling prose" that is enjoyable to read but still neutral, and I haven't mastered it. A few years ago I read the book The Unauthorized Version by biblical historian Robin Lane Fox and was amazed how artfully he could present dispassionate arguments. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Haven't mastered it yet either, but now I consciously see, and recognize when (anything) is written in an NPOV style. I've now started to finally realize what my high school lit teacher meant when she would say "This essay starts out with too much fluff," and the over-dramatic 'ChatGPT style' of writing just sticks out like a sore thumb to me now. Almost feel slightly embarrassed, because it's like I couldn't tell the difference between 'good' and 'bad' writing.

There have definitely been editors who crossed the line with toxicity, though now, I am so grateful for the constructive criticisms I've received here.

"There's an art to mastering the creation of 'compelling prose' that is enjoyable to read but still neutral," is such a well-put and beautiful quote. And like you, I also haven't mastered the craft yet, but I wholeheartedly agree with your observation of it being a powerful art form. Yes, if a 'piece-of-prose' is 'too neutral', it can certainly be 'too-boring.'

There's a time and a place for fiction writing, research writing, and of course, encyclopedic writing – still, as you said, when the piece has that perfect balance of compelling, interesting to read, and neutrality, and perfectly executes that 'art form,' I think it really stands out as quite unique and the opposite of boring. When an editor (e.g. me when I first started) writes with 'fluffery,' (in a promotional style,) or uses Peacock words, such practices can and will stain an article about even the most notable subject.

I now feel as though the promotional style of writing reads like the immature babbling of the subconscious mind. It's almost like the words written by a student whose goal was just to "write well" based on nothing more than what their imagined idea of such; almost like one who is not a writer, clearly LARPING as one.

The awful, bias-laden, and silly style of writing that reads like the frantic clacks of a marketing intern working for an oppressive regime, a disillusioned individual, or the self-published manifesto of an ego-maniac, should be critiqued and frowned upon. Anyone can write biased and promotional propaganda, in fact, for non non-fiction writers, (and people in general), puffery seems to be a default style of writing all are born capable of.

Reading some of my old edits, I cringed and asked myself "why didn't I ever read this out loud before?" Alas, some instances, where I once felt as though other editors were being unreasonable or mean, I now see as genuine and justified critiques of my past work, which I now view as nothing short of garbage.

RE: "Identifying dishonest "journalism," I agree to an extent. One of the more confusing things for me, was the WP policy that explains that secondary sources don't have to be neutral. Without caring or giving into any political hoopla, I've seen sources that lean with bias on both sides, and sometimes its hard to tell what's expressly dishonest, or just bias/misinformed. The Forbes contributor fiasco (i.e. WP:Forbescon) was definitely eye opening, because I always assumed that such an outlet would have strict editorial standards, which turns out to not quite be the case.

Not to continue my rant, but another BIG amazing eye-opener was starting to learn the difference between primary/secondary sources, (a process some probably learn about in college or decent schools, which I did not have the luxury of), because it's a vital part of researching, performing a sane analysis and understanding of information. Getting involved with Wikipedia has been tremendously educational and valuable to me, and I am still learning a lot *So far from perfect still*.

PS, going to check out the book you mentioned, and also saving your quote "There's an art to mastering the creation of "compelling prose" that is enjoyable to read but still neutral," to my notes (It's a great quote)

Ok i'm done, sorry for novel, have a nice day/night! Comintell (talk) 09:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Please how do i upload images on Wikimedia commons without getting deleted

Hello, I've been trying to upload the images Obara_new_cover.jpg and Dare_Olaitan.jpg on Wikimedia. But, the images don't have a copyright license, and the images keep getting nominated for deletion. Can I use the template (Non-free use rationale) to stop my images from getting deleted or is there another way? Aivrie (talk) 11:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Aivrie. Copyrighted images (with non-free licences) aren't allowed on Commons. Non-free images intended to be used under WP:NFCC should be uploaded locally to English Wikipedia (instead of Commons). You should click the "upload a non-free file" button at Wikipedia:File upload wizard instead of the other button, or any other way of uploading, it will ask you a few questions and tag things correctly for you. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Are typos still possible?

I looked and it seems like there are bots that catch them. So I don't know if I should be looking for them. Also, it's good that you included cake in the picture. No tea, but I will do a QA audit on the cake and have water instead. [I guess I got lucky and saw a picture of cake, but it was nice while it lasted] 75.142.254.3 (talk) 22:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely! Here's a typo that I just fixed before writing this. Typos are sometimes left undetected, you're likely able to find some if you look up "site:en.wikipedia.org [insert typo]" on a search engine. See also: Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked misspellings and Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations. B3251 (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

If this is an area that interests you, check out the WP:TYPO team. It is a never ending task. RudolfRed (talk) 01:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I read this question, then found and fixed 26 typos in 23 minutes without much effort. DuncanHill (talk) 01:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I correct typos frequently. Most are my own typos. Cullen328 (talk) 01:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Me too. I've never seen a bot correct any of my edits. Sometimes I wish they would.

If I see an IP address leave an edit summary that just says "typo", I have learned from experience that there's a good chance this is an unconstructive edit that needs reverting, especially if it's a substantive change. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

You don't say. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Weird. That one's even an improvement - but definitely not a typo. -- asilvering (talk) 11:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

A lot of people use WP:AWB to fix typos. So, it's not usually bots making the corrections, but human editors (with a program that makes this faster). -- asilvering (talk) 06:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

As someone who has covered the entire Wikipedia:Lists of common misspellings/R for over 12 years, I am finding far fewer typos than I used to. Although there are fewer, I probably still catch about 750 per week. I suspect that this reduction is due to most browsers now having real-time spell-checkers, but it may be that there are more editors searching for typos; the one thing I doubt is that there has been a steady improvement in peoples ability to spell correctly (or many other words!). - Arjayay (talk) 09:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Views on articles you've edited

Hi Teahouse hosts! I'm a relatively new editor and I'm loving it.

Just wondering about the "Views on articles you've edited" section on one's homepage. Above the number, it says "your recent activity (last 60 days)". Does this mean the view number is only within the last 60 days? Or is it all-time views? I'm also wondering this because my view number fluctuates.

thanks in advance! Emmybris (talk) 11:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Emmybris, glad to know you're enjoying Wikipedia! It is indeed the view number with in the last 60 days, which is why the view number fluctuates. Cheers! Kline • talk • contribs 12:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Self-published sources for industry awards

I'm looking at contributing an update to Miriam Buether's article, to capture her 2024 Olivier Award for Best Set Design. To me, it'd make sense to point to the Society of London Theatre's page on winners, but I'm wary that it might be considered a self-published source - would it be better to try to track down a news article which echos this info?

If it would be appropriate to use this page, I'd also appreciate a little help on how to cite it - so far, I have the following, which has neither a date of publication nor an author:

{\{cite web |url=https://officiallondontheatre.com/olivier-awards/year/olivier-awards-2024/?awards-view=winners | title=Olivier Awards 2024 |access-date1 May 2024}}

Sean 10:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sboy365: when you're using a source just to support a non-contentious fact like that, you can use a close primary source, no problem. (In fact, I'd argue that the original source, ie. in this case the organisation awarding the OAs, is probably the best and most reliable source for that information.)

The {{cite web}} template accepts, but doesn't require, parameters such as date, author, etc. Access-date is more important, so readers can see how current the citation is.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I just created my 1st article. Any advice

Hello wikipedians,

Just created my first article, RyzallNoh, any advice to improve my page would be appreciated.

Thanks

RyzallNoh (talk) 07:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

RyzallNoh, quote: Ryzall demonstrated resilience by embarking on a bold foray into event production. Undeterred by the challenges, he ventured into this endeavor with determination, acquiring practical expertise through hands-on experience and drawing insights from seasoned luminaries in the field, including Khairudin Samsudin, Suhami Yusof, Hussin Saaban, Razi Salam, among others. What reliable source, independent of the subject (i.e. yourself) says that this demonstrated resilience, that the foray was bold, that he was undeterred, that the producers were "luminaries", that (like whiskey or Parma hams or whatever) they were "seasoned", etc? Or to cut this business short (as I've only looked at one part of a single paragraph, and there are several more paragraphs), let's agree that you have uploaded an advertisement for yourself to a website that's not a PR conduit but instead an encyclopedia, for which the advertisement is utterly unsuited. Please rewrite it very radically, today; it might then not be deleted. -- Hoary (talk) 07:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

To avoid speedy deletion, I have moved it to draft where you can work on it. Theroadislong (talk) 07:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Certainly, I made significant revisions right away to ensure its preservation. RyzallNoh (talk) 08:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Now at Draft:RyzallNoh. David notMD (talk) 10:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, RyzallNoh. There are two things that it is important for you to realise.

First, that writing about yourself is very strongly discouraged one Wikipedia, and slmost nobody manages it successfully.

Secondly, that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

First find the sources (none of which should have been written or published by you or your associates, or based on an interview or a press release).

Then forget everything you know about yourself, and write a summary of what those sources say about you.

Do you see why it is difficult to write an article about yourself? ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

RyzallNoh, be aware, too, that if you do succeed in writing, or getting someone to write, such an article, and that article passes muster, then in general, anybody will be able to come in and edit the article. And if the edits are relevant and well-sourced, even if you don't like them, there will be very little or nothing you can do about it. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Need help in declined draft

I need help in submitting my declined draft. Harwant Singh Arora (talk) 14:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello Harwant Singh Arora. You have asked for help at WP:AFCHD. Please don't ask at different places, as it just duplicates effort. ColinFine (talk) 14:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Yash Wadali Declined for reasons given for the Decline and at AFCHD. See WP:NMUSIC for some guidelines about what an article about a musician must contain. Very briefly, there needs to be references about the person, not just a listing of their songs. Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to co-author. David notMD (talk) 15:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

revison

hello I just wanted to let you know I didn't make any recent edits to monchiu peteue 207.136.241.18 (talk) 17:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. IP addesses frequently get reassigned; whoever was using your IP back then made those edits, and it has now been reassigned to you. Sooner or later it will probably be passed to someone else. If you want consistency, I recommend creating an account, it's both free and easy. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 17:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Translating Korean article into English

I want to translate a Korean article (https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9C%A4%ED%9B%84%EB%8D%95) into English. The article is about a politician in the neighborhood I live in. I've been a user of Wikipedia at least since 2005, and it's only now that I've signed up to contribute. I have benefitted so much over the years from Wikipedia, and seeing many, many Korean articles missing English counterparts, I would like to participate in helping translate existing Korean-only articles and in time, contribute new articles that don't exist yet.

I somehow found the Content Translation tool, and loaded up the above link to get the WYSIWYG side-by-side translator page. But there is an error saying "Your translation cannot be published because publishing is only allowed to more experienced editors on this wiki." What is the threshold I need to meet or experience I need to get to be able to begin translating? Is there a certain number of edits I must do to be able to begin translating pages? Please advise. Thanks! Dailynovice21 (talk) 16:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Dailynovice21: per WP:CXT, that tool is for use by (and I quote) "extended confirmed users (editors who have been registered for at least 30 days and have made at least 500 edits to the English Wikipedia)". HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Dailynovice21, aside of not being able to use the Content Translation Tool, be advised that you may need more references than those in the kowiki article for the rest of the facts. See WP:BLP for the policy governing biographies on enwiki. – robertsky (talk) 17:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding WP:CHEESE

I have been in a debate with an editor regarding a topic which I have formal education in. The issue is that several reliable sources (interviews with doctors) have made statements about something that they are not experts in (the function ultrasound devices). The claim they are making is something that is literally impossible; I would know as I am a medical physics graduate student who has taken literal classes on how these devices work. I can show from various sources that it is (or at least should be) very clear that the claim being made by these doctors is not possible as the mechanisms these machines work with is incompatible with the statement. However, there are likely no sources at all (much less reliable ones) that explicitly state that this claim is false because. I, in essence, in the starting phases of WP:CHEESE.

How do I address this? Blast335 (talk) 13:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Which article is this debate on exactly? I can't really help you here unless I have context. TypoEater (talk) 14:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

You appear to be in an edit-warring like dispute at Heartbeat bill with User:Avatar317. The correct place to resolve this is at the Talk page of the article, where a discussion is already ongoing. The tone has gotten a bit heated. Wikipedia asks that editors dispute content without implying incompetence on the part of other editors (or claims of competence on one's own behalf). References rule. David notMD (talk) 14:57, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I mentioned WP:CHEESE not to imply any incompetence on Avatar317’s part, but rather to convey that the 5 references I gave that explain how ultrasound imaging devices work being ignored made me relate to the astronomer in the essay. Blast335 (talk) 17:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Blast335: Wikipedia much prefers what is stated in reliable published sources to the opinion of someone who shows up here claiming to know better. If as you say you "can show from various sources that .. the claim being made by these doctors ... is not possible", then do so. Meanwhile, don't expect to be taken seriously. Maproom (talk) 15:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I did. I gave 5 reputable sources that explain how ultrasound devices work. Since none of them stated that they don’t detect electrical signals they were ignored. Hence my comparison to WP:CHEESE. I mentioned that essay not because I mean to imply that Avatar317 is incompetent but that the issue at hand is of a similar nature. Blast335 (talk) 16:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Blast335, you need to find sources that address the issue directly rather than ones that get to your assertion through WP:SYNTHESIS. Because this deals with medical issues, you'd need those sources to comply with the requirements at WP:MEDRS. Valereee (talk) 17:39, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

My point is that the chances of such a source existing is essentially zero. Could you find a source that directly addresses the fact that a thermometer can’t take a picture? I’m not meaning to be snarky when I say that, I’m trying to demonstrate why what you’re asking me to do is almost certainly impossible. Also wouldn’t this burden of proof work both ways? If they can’t find sources other than interviews other that interviews with doctors about abortion laws mentioning this claim to discredit the phrase “heartbeat” doesn’t that mean the claim fails? Blast335 (talk) 17:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Blast335, if this is something you've figured out, probably someone else has, too, and if they think it's worth commenting on, they'll comment on it. If literally no one anywhere is mentioning this in a source that is reliable, we go with what people are commenting on.

Now, what you can do is question the sources that are saying that it is "detecting electrical activity(?)" or whatever you are objecting to. If those sources are lay sources rather than MEDRS sources, that's a valid argument. If you get pushback on that argument at article talk, I'd take it to the MEDRS talk page at WT:MEDRS and ask folks there for advice. They are very committed to making sure WP does not contain medical information sourced to non-MEDRS sources.

And, yes, if there was a commonly-held belief a thermometer could take a picture, there would very likely be someone commenting on that somewhere in an RS.

In the meantime, don't edit war to your preferred version. WP doesn't have to be correct NOW, except in very limited areas. Valereee (talk) 17:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Except it’s not commonly held. I’ve never heard the assertion outside of the specific context of abortion rights advocates responding to heartbeat claims by anti-abortion proponents. That said, your point is noted. Blast335 (talk) 18:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey, Not A Question

Just wanted to apologize about my issues in the talk session EdenBAnn (talk) 16:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The issues with your Talk page appear to have been addressed there. No need to apologize here (to Teahouse Hosts who had no involvement in the situation). David notMD (talk) 22:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

okay, thanks EdenBAnn (talk) 23:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding to Toronto's official Wikipedia Page?

How can I add an aerial webM video that depicts Toronto's Skyline on the Toronto's wikipage under the section "architecture" Lucastphotography (talk) 22:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you asking (A) whether/how you may upload it to Wikimedia Commons, or (B) whether/how, now that it is uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, it should be added to the article? -- Hoary (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry the latter, regarding including it within the wiki article. Lucastphotography (talk) 00:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Lucastphotography. You can find out some general information about adding files to articles at WP:FILE#Using files. Files uploaded to Commons can be added using the same method as files uploaded locally to Wikipedia. The only time you will run into problems is when a file uploaded to Commons has the same name as a file uploaded locally to Wikipedia; in such a case, the Wikipedia software will use the local file.

Now some other stuff that you probably should understand about image use. Commons and Wikipedia are sister projects, but they're separate projects with their own respective policies and guidelines when it comes to image use. Commons is primarily concerned with the licensing of the content it hosts; it's not all that concerned with how this content is being used on Wikipedia or any other Wikimedia Foundation websites. Wikipedia, on the other hand, is not only coincerned with the licensing of such content but also its encyclopedic relevance to Wikipedia readers. So, the adding of images to articles needs to be in accordance with WP:IUP#Adding images. Most of the time high quality images are quite welcomed by other, but there are times where too many images or perhaps too promotional types of images are challenged by other. If you do add photos and they're subsequently removed by someone else,by others, you will need to try to resolve any disagreements in accordance with WP:DISPUTERESOLUTION.

The next thing is that Toronto doesn't have an official Wikipedia page per se; rather, it has a Wikipedia article written about it. This might seem like arguing semantics, but it's important to understand that the City of Toronto doesn't have any type of final editorial control over the article's content (including image use). So, as mentioned above, image use will need to compley with relevant Wikipedia policy.

Lastly, you might want to take a look at WP:CORPNAME and WP:RENAME because your username could be considered a violation of Wikipedia's username policy if it represents the name of a company, organization or business like yours seems to do. On Commons this isn't a big deal because Commons isn't concerned with such a thing; it does, however, matter when it comes to Wikipedia and accounts can be WP:SOFTBLOCKed by an administrator when their usernames are seen as violating relevant Wikipedia policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

how can i change my username? Lucastphotography (talk) 00:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

As you haven't yet edited so much, Lucastphotography, I recommend that you simply pick a different username and always use that rather than your current one. On your new user page, mention that you were previously Lucastphotography; on User:Lucastphotography, say that you're now "Toronto Lucas" or whatever it is. -- Hoary (talk) 02:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it. thanks! Lucastphotography (talk) 02:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I think I'll use LeoTor instead! :) Lucastphotography (talk) 02:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Article dismissed!

Hello, i forgot to say. I created a new article about Spanish Animation Studio Neptuno Films. The article is available in Spanish Wikipedia and I decided to create new article about the animation studio on English Wikipedia because it's only available in Spanish Wikipedia

The article is dismissed for unreliable sources, i collected these sources from Spanish Wikipedia and it is in Spanish language Akhinesh212 (talk) 04:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Akhinesh212. Each of the various language Wikipedias are their own projects with their own policies and guidelines being enforced by their own respective communities. So, for example, an article existing on Spanish Wikipedia doesn't automatically mean that it should also exist on English Wikipedia. There's more about this found at WP:OTHERLANG, but the company you're trying to create an article about is going to need to clearly be shown to meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for a viable English Wikipedia article to be created about it and survive. For reference, English Wikipedia doesn't require sources cited in support of article content be in English as explained here; it doesn't even require that sources be available online as explained here. It does, however, require that source be reliable per WP:RELIABLESOURCE and that they provide WP:SIGCOV of the subject. When it comes to companies and organizations, multiple secondary reliable sources providing significant coverage are required as explained here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

How do we know if information on Wikipedia is true?

How do we know if information on Wikipedia is true? Abdullah Al Sinha50 (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

See WP:V and WP:RS. Information on Wikipedia is required to be cited to reliable sources so that it can be verified; by tracking down those sources you can check if information is accurate yourself. Of course, this doesn't guarantee that everything is true - some things are uncited; some things that have a citation may not accurately represent it; sometimes the source itself is wrong; and sometimes, even if everything is correct, we may be placing WP:UNDUE weight on one aspect or otherwise presenting it in a way that distorts its meaning. Some important aspects might also be missing in a way that leads to a lopsided article. But the same is true of anything you read anywhere else; there is no way to be absolutely certain that anything is true. --Aquillion (talk) 03:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Abdullah Al Sinha50. All properly written Wikipedia articles have a list of references to reliable sources that are supposed to verify the various claims in the article. Read the references for anything that you doubt. In the end, you make up your own mind. We do not guarantee truth, but we strive for truth. Cullen328 (talk) 03:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

And see individual article Talk pages. Articles that are rated Featured Article, Good Article and B-class are more likely to be closer to truth than C-class. David notMD (talk) 09:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Any advice for a newbie?

I'm new here. Well, not quite new, I used to edit Wikipedia once with an account I lost access to years ago. Now I'm back with time on my hands, and really getting enjoying things so far. The Teahouse is a new feature to me, and there are lots more features I don't recognize, so I guess what I'm asking is about basic etiquette. Is there anything newbies shouldn't try? Am I OK to edit any article that catches my eye? So far I've been randomly selecting articles within my areas of interest (mostly books and gardening) and doing newcomer tasks, but I'm keen to try my hand at other things. Any advice on what to avoid? ArthurTheGardener (talk) 08:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Advice, ArthurTheGardener, well, don't be a dick. (There used to be a page, Wikipedia:Don't be a dick; but I suppose the higher-ups here became nervous about simple metaphors.) As long as the new user isn't dickish (and your question doesn't at all suggest that you are), you'll probably be OK. And if you do screw up, say sorry and thereafter avoid similar screw-ups. Avoid editing anything closely related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Gaza/Palestine/Israel/Iran mess, or what Stephen Colbert adroitly terms "the race for the White House and/or the big house". Indeed, perhaps avoid US politics more generally, anything concerning abortion ... you get the picture. Books (aside from a predictable and small minority) and gardening sound good. (The great majority of articles on books are poor, and many are superfluous -- which isn't to belittle the good work of those who do create excellent articles about books.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Not being a dick is always worthwhile. And I don't know enough about foreign politics or others' physiology to comment, so it looks like we're probably good there. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 08:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Many articles aboutplant species are stubs, or might benefit by your taking photographs, adding those to Commons, then inserting into articles. David notMD (talk) 10:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, and what a good idea! I'll try to do that. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 11:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

My first article

Hey all!

Can someone assist me with my first article I published. I recently submitted an update and haven't received any update. I would love to get ahead of any minute errors. Thanks in advance! Thedistinguishedone (talk) 10:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I assume you are referring to Draft:Brandon Jevon Farris. You have submitted it for a review and it is pending- as noted on your draft, there are many drafts awating review, please be patient. The reviewer will give you feedback if they do not accept the draft. 331dot (talk) 10:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Got it! Completely new to this. Not rushing, just wanted to avoid another decline due to something minor. Nevertheless thanks for insight on the process! Thedistinguishedone (talk) 10:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I've made some cosmetic changes to your draft. But I don't see any citations of reliable independent sources discussing the subject, so I'd encourage you to add some before it gets reviewed. Articles based on what the subject has said don't count as independent. The absence of evidence of WP:notability is not a "minute error", it's serious, and if not addressed it will cause the article to be declined again. Maproom (talk) 11:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Problems of having more than 2 accounts

Hello again, I'm not spamming and I just wants to say that I have more than 2 accounts.

I don't really remember my first account on Wikipedia, i created once a wikipedia account but unfortunately i don't remember the password and lost access to my first account so i decided to create new account instead and did this more. Is there any problems?

Will I be banned permanently? for having more accounts, i don't wants to vandalize articles I just wants to contribute to wikipedia. But for having more accounts in Wikipedia will I be banned? Akhinesh212 (talk) 11:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Akhinesh212 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a new account because you forget your password is exactly what you should do. It might be helpful if you identified the previous account you used on your user page("I am Akhinesh212, I was previously (your prior username) but lost access"). It isn't a violation of policy to merely have more than one account or to have used other accounts(see WP:LEGITSOCK)- it's only a problem if you conceal that you are doing so for an illegitimate reason(like pretending to be two or more different people). 331dot (talk) 11:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, I've been worrying about getting block and bans on Wikipedia. Thanks for the response Akhinesh212 (talk) 12:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

What if the page contains ethocentric ideas

For example in the page of Driving etiquette, there contains negative feedbacks and disregards certain countries' driving etiquette under the title "Driving etiquette by country". This section is way too opinionated and should be deleted. However, my edit was ctrl-Zed by a bot and I was warned by certain users not to do that. Why is that? Qqiumax (talk) 00:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

In that case, the section contains different points of view supported by reliable sources. Wikipedia is neutral, meaning that any viewpoints that is supported by a reliable source can be added. See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view EternalNub (talk) 01:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thus under this section the points that are not backed up by a reliable source shall be deleted? Qqiumax (talk) 01:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

If they aren't backed up by reliable sources they probably will be deleted, since every piece of information on Wikipedia is supposed to have a reliable source. If they are not backed up by a reliable source, you can find a reliable source that backs up the information, but make sure that the source is reliable. EternalNub (talk) 02:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

If you have reason to believe a factual statement is true but without a reference, you can add a 'citation needed'. David notMD (talk) 02:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

It's an odd article section, consisting of a lot of tidbits. Sample: "In France, it is common for drivers to nudge other vehicles to fit into a tight parking space." When I hear of drivers nudging other vehicles, I think of "PIT maneuvers" (or even more grandly, "tactical vehicle interventions"). Never in my experience of driving in France have I undergone this. I haven't even experienced what the illustration in the referenced source shows. Have I just been lucky? I do rather like the euphuistic "conduct an overtaking maneuver" (under Spain) for "overtake". (And that's my tactical conducting of an editing maneuver done.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Qqiumax: It's particularly troubling that most of the subsections are cited to only one source and those sources are very old (in some cases almost a quarter of a century). I've started a discussion on the article's talk page. Please join that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

On titles in other languages

This page's title is in Spanish, but I think it should probably be in English with the Spanish as an addendum (i.e., as (Spanish: La Penitente Hermandad de Jesús Yacente)). I can't find any English language sources on the topic to secure a second-opinion translation. Can I be WP:BOLD and move it with my translation or is there a convention or MOS standard for this? Thanks in advance. ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Your page's title is a proper noun. Usually, proper nouns in other languages such as Cinco de Mayo or La Paz tend to be in the other language unless English speakers use a different term. In your case, there are no reliable sources for an English translation, so you should probably leave the title in Spanish. EternalNub (talk) 01:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough! Thanks for the response! ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@ThaesOfereode: ...but you can create one or more redirects from plausible English translations, which people will find if they search Wikipedia for those titles. See WP:REDIRECT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Suggested Edits in a different language

How can I get Suggested Edits in a language other than English? All the Suggested Edits are showing up in English, but I want to work on non-English articles that needs edits. Thanks. Dailynovice21 (talk) 16:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Dailynovice21, welcome to the Teahouse. Since this is English Wikipedia, all our articles are in English (of some variety). If you want to edit articles in other languages, you will need to go to the Wikipedia in that language (I see you've checked out ko.wikipedia.org and zh.wikipedia.org, those are two examples) and sign up for whatever recommendation process they have, if any. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 17:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Dailynovice21: You may also be interested in translating articles into English, or from English. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Won't let me upload pic

tryna upload a pic of my dog that I own, but wont let due to the file name :

My dog Koa, or called koko.jpg

EdenBAnn (talk) 20:19, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@EdenBAnn, welcome to the Teahouse! That's occurring because the file koko.jpg already exists. Try another name for the picture? Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

oooooohhhhhhhh, I get it, ok! EdenBAnn (talk) 20:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

actually, I don't?

Koka my doggie 194uunnzzdodod.jpg

How does someone have this named, I think something is wrong. EdenBAnn (talk) 20:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, EdenBAnn. Please not that Commons:Commons:Project scope says Uploaded files are within scope only if they comply with all of the following conditions. Every file ... Must be realistically useful for an educational purpose.

While that last condition is interpreted quite widely, I'm not sure it covers a photo of your dog. ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

oh, sorry! Apologies for any troubles I've caused. EdenBAnn (talk) 20:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

EdenBAnn, you say you get it, but I wonder. This is an encyclopedia. Wikimedia Commons serves the encyclopedia and other projects that are similarly impersonal. You are welcome to stick around and work to improve the encyclopedia. There are various ways of doing this, but chitchat about your dog or your participation in multiplayer games isn't among them. Perhaps consider demonstrating that you've got it by making improvements to some articles. -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Fortnite chitchat, your dog's photo, your mother's chicken salad recipe?? Declined drafts that have no potential for success?? People who create accounts but do not show an ability or intention to contribute to the encyclopedia tend to have their accounts indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 22:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

You know what, your right. I'm looking for something to do to improve my writing skills, and messing around is not the right way to do that. I will start re-reading the editing tutorial. I am truly sorry for wasting your time. Im supposed to be writing and improving Wiki, not messing around. Again, I'm sorry. EdenBAnn (talk) 23:00, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

What articles would you recommend to me that are about beginner based for me to edit? EdenBAnn (talk) 23:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I will do that EdenBAnn (talk) 23:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, EdenBAnn. Choose a subject area that interests you and that you know something about. You won't be able to write from what you know, but an understanding of the general subject will be needed for understanding what you read about the subject. And yes, you are going to have to read -- and not just any old crap, but instead reliable sources. Find an article that makes implausible or unsupported claims, and, using your preferred search engine, see if you can verify them. -- Hoary (talk) 23:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Formatting references can be not-obvious. Consider working on refs in your Sandbox, only copying into article when satisfied. References must not be just URLs. David notMD (talk) 01:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

See citing for beginners for an overview of how citing sourses works Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 09:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

okay EdenBAnn (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@EdenBAnn: you triggered an automated filter when you tried to upload the image. The filter prevents new users from uploading small resolution JPEG images which are often copyright violations taken from the web. It is not capable of making any complex decisions. You should be able to bypass it if you use Commons Upload Wizard directly. However, I do echo ColinFine above about the Commons Scope. MKFI (talk) 10:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

ok EdenBAnn (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Check Redirects to a page

How to check if there are any redirect article(s) to a page, just like we can check what links to a page at what links here? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ExclusiveEditor! At the "what links here" page you can select to see only redirect incoming links (just check "hide transclusions" and "hide links" and you'll have only redirects left). Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 14:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Did not see it, thank you. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

My userpage

Is there any problems in my userpage?, i created few userboxes. If there's any problems please respond — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhinesh212 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

The layout is pretty odd. But don't worry about it, Akhinesh212. I have very rarely, if ever, seen evidence of anyone's interest in anyone else's selection/display of userboxes. -- Hoary (talk) 04:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

did you find the last userbox to be offensive?, is there any grammatical mistakes in my userbox that I created? Akhinesh212 (talk) 04:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Akhinesh212, I encourage you to be careful about disclosing personal information that a nasty troll could use to attack you. Cullen328 (talk) 04:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Akhinesh212, when I look at your user page, I see that the section headers "Created Articles" and "Awards" aren't on new lines. This is not how it should be, and I can't explain how it's happened. Maproom (talk) 07:35, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

it was created by me, I just wants to show everyone that I created an article to wikipedia. Unfortunately Wikipedia do not credit the name of the user who provided the information to an Encyclopaedia

Is there any issues for that? Akhinesh212 (talk) 07:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Akhinesh212 I fixed the new line issue by adding a div. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 07:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, i noticed and thanks a lot for editing :) Akhinesh212 (talk) 07:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

ok, i edited my userpage. I removed the "Articles created" because I'm not sure I can create articles to wikipedia because it requires a lot of reliable sources. I will rename "Awards" to "barnstars" to see how much barnstars that I have received Akhinesh212 (talk) 07:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

If you go to the bottom of your "User contributions" (in your case, Special:Contributions/Akhinesh212 you will see there is a link "Articles created", which takes you to an external tool: https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Akhinesh212 . That currently shows no pages created. ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Add to my Wiki page

I'd like to clean up my Wikipedia page and add some content, how do I go about this? I would love some help with this Kellogg1971 (talk) 01:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

What Wikipedia page are you talking about? EternalNub (talk) 01:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

If there is an article about you, please see WP:Biographies of living persons/Help '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 01:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Kellogg1971, my Wikipedia page? Please read WP:OWNERSHIP. Cullen328 (talk) 03:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328: The phrase "my Wikipedia page" doesn't necessarily imply ownership; "my" in this context can simply mean "about me" ("my biography", "my personnel record", "my criminal record"). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: But it's worth pointing out that "My page" is not really that, since there does seem to be a lot of misunderstanding. In this instance, the OP's inquiry suggests that s/he supposed that a Wikipedia article about him/her is there for him/her to manage and to decide what goes there. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Please see the comment to which I replied. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Even if ownership isn't implied/being suggested by this user, it is not uncommon for article subjects to think they have special rights to the "page" about them even if they don't "own" it. It's also for this reason I personally will emphasize the term "article"; every article is a page but not every page is an article. People treat pages differently than they treat articles. 331dot (talk) 16:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Pakistani government funded scheme BISP Ehsaas.

The BISP Ehsaas Program is a vital government initiative in Pakistan aimed at combating poverty and promoting social welfare. It provides financial assistance, healthcare services, education support, and livelihood opportunities to the country's most vulnerable populations. Can this program be appropriately covered on Wikipedia? Mabdullah7001 (talk) 12:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Mabdullah7001 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell the world about a government program or initiative- but if independent reliable sources give this initiative significant coverage, an article about it may be possible if that coverage shows that this is a notable topic as Wikipedia defines the term. 331dot (talk) 12:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mabdullah, and welcome. In addition to what 331dot says, I'll add that if you're asking for somebody to write this article, then I'm afraid that's unlikely to happen. There is a place to make a formal requst - requested articles - but in honesty, requests stay there for a very long time and don't often get actioned. You may have more luck asking on the talk page of WikiProject Pakistan, but only if your request happens to excite one or more members of that WikiProject to want to work on it.

Your best chance is to write it yourself - but I must tell you that writing a Wikipedia article is much more difficult than most people expect (not in the writing, but in finding sources) and I always advise new editors to spend a few months learning how WIkipedia works by making improvements to existing articles before they try it.

If you have some connection with the Ehsaas Program yourself, that may make it even more difficult, as you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. That does not prohibit you from trying it, but you need to declare your status, and it may make it harder to write in the required Neutral point of view - note that nothing from your own knowledge should go into the article unless it is backed up by a reliably published source, and in most cases a sources wholly unconnected with the Program.

I am sorry if this sounds discouraging, but the fact is that Wikipedia is a big machine that takes quite a while to learn to drive; and people who come here to write about a particular topic (as opposed to, to help create the worlds biggest encyclopaedia) often have difficulty grasping what Wikipedia means by promotion (forbidden) and notability (required). ColinFine (talk) 17:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Experience needed to comment on noticeboards

Is there a consensus about the number of edits a Wikipedia user should have to comment on noticeboards? I've only recently crossed the 500 edit threshold but have been a reader of Wikipedia and its policies and talk pages for some time and believe I understand them. Does my opinion carry any weight in terms of addressing questions raised even though I am not an administrator and/or don't have a large number of edits? I've read that anyone who understands policies can comment. I ask this in part because I made a comment on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Snezhana Abarzhi but no other more experienced Wikipedian has commented even though the question seems straightforward and it would be good to have another opinion on whether this particular page has crossed into CV territory (i.e. WP:NOTYOU, self-promotion). Nnev66 (talk) 13:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Nnev66! It sounds like you're in a fine position to comment. While there are a few very experienced editors whose views might be given a little more weight by those that know them, on the whole Wikipedia is pretty meritocratic, so so long as you have a basic familiarity with guidance and can sound reasonable/make an argument your views will be respected.

In the case you mention, I'd guess that it's not anyone ignoring you but rather just that no one else has read the post and decided to engage. Dealing with a BLP inclined toward harassment is necessary but not always appealing work, and we don't always have enough editors even for the more appealing stuff. If you decide to go ahead, it should be fairly straightforward (without looking at the dispute itself, I'd guess that David is correct and that it's clearly CV-esque edits that just need to be reverted). It'll help if you're account is pseudonymous (e.g. username not used elsewhere on the internet), and remember that WP:3RR applies even when you're clearly in the right. If the BLP edit wars, escalate to the edit warring noticeboard or somewhere else appropriate rather than going over the line yourself. Good luck! Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 15:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Sdkb for your thoughts on my question. My Wikipedia username may be other places as I wasn't thinking about being semi-anonymous when I chose it 12+ years ago. I don't mind though if someone figures out who I am. I can understand why folks wouldn't want to wade into WP:3RR disputes but it's good for them to be settled in a way where neither side feels flattened by the other. And I realize that different people see the same issue differently which is why decisions can seem subjective and a source of frustration. My experience so far is if I stick to the merits it all works out... Nnev66 (talk) 18:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

2026 formula one calendar leaked

Melbourne shanghai suzuka sakhir riyadh Miami imola monaco Montmeló montreal spielberg silverstone spa-francochamps hungaroring zandvoort monza Bakú singapore Austin México city sao Paulo las vegas losail yas marina Chicago nantahala fort peck mugello cagliari and Palermo!!! 149.74.4.35 (talk) 17:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome IP editor. Unfortunately, this information is not relevant to the Teahouse. If you wish to propose an edit, please go to the relevant article's talk page and ensure you cite a RELIABLE SOURCE. Leaked information from unreliable sources is not wanted on Wikipedia, however. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Trouble archiving links from Bloomberg

Wanted to cite a recent Bloomberg article for use in Japanese yen, but getting nowhere with any of the archive sites. Neither Wayback Machine, Archive Today, nor Megalodon are working for me. Am I doing something wrong or are Bloomberg articles no longer able to be archived? Thanks for your help! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: Which Bloomberg article? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Need help fixing this

Hi! I made this edit [9] to an IP's talk page with the pencil edit button and found that this put the message in the wrong place. I cannot fix the message because I cannot see it on the TP and I do not have an undo button on mobile. Any help with fixing this is greatly appreciated. QwertyForest (talk) 20:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

You used the wrong heading level and you put the comment at the top of the page, not at the bottom where the most recent comments should go. I have fixed these. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, and I appreciate the help. Not being able to undo on mobile is quite annoying though. Do you know why it's not possible? QwertyForest (talk) 20:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Although it is fiddly, I use the desktop version on my I-Phone - which enables undo, and other features. - Arjayay (talk) 20:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello there:

I'm new to this Wikipedia, so what should I do now? Are there more activities to do? Is Wikipedia a social media site? 205.155.225.249 (talk) 20:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a social media site.

If you want to get ideas for things to do, see Wikipedia:Task center. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

How to proof not paid?

Dear reader,

There is an article where I helped to build the page for my wife (backed by over 100 sources), I accidentally had ticked a box that I was paid, which I am not. I asked within talk if I could sent the person proof of not being paid and never got an answer. Now half a year later someone puts this disclaimer again above the article, ignoring that I can proof it within talk. Also my wife has been victim of activist groups that have tried to intimidate her for doing research on Indonesia, on such a level that the National History Association in the Netherlands issued a statement against them. It can very well be that the anonymous people who place the “UPE”tags are from this groups. As one of the persons on the talk page on the Dutch Wikipedia site of Anne-Lot Hoek also worked on the pages related to those activist groups. Who can help to get this tag removed (again)? Ewout12345 (talk) 20:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ewout12345: Based on your comment, I have changed the UPE tag to a COI tag, because you clearly have a conflict of interest regarding your wife Anne-Lot Hoek. That tag should remain until an independent editor reviews the article thoroughly. This is something you should have created in draft space and submitted for review, and then refrained from making any substantive changes after it was published in article space. As long as you keep making substantive changes to the article, the COI tag is relevant. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist: Please read the documentation of {{COI}}. In particular "In order to be tagged, the article should have a specific, articulatable, fixable problem. Do not apply this tag simply because you suspect COI editing, or because there is or was a COI editor. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I am well aware of that, and that is why I tagged it accordingly. The most recent edit by the COI editor, for example, was an unsourced assertion about a living person. That suggests other similar problems exist but I haven't had the time today to examine the article closely. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Then you should also be aware that it also says: if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start a discussion, any editor will be justified in removing the tag without warning. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Difference between having Notability and having Reliable Source

Hello, I have been reading different Wikipedia policies for a while now, and it occurred to me that there might be a difference between a subject being notable and it having reliable sources. Is it the right understanding? if so, could we say about an influencer or any other subject, is notable, however, the lack reliable sources? The reason I am asking these questions, is there are many pages on Wikipedia, which have almost zero references, still they are in live space.

If the above understanding is correct, what should be done with such page?

Thank you. MsAzra (talk) 00:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Notability means that a subject has multiple reliable sources that are secondary (not associated with the subject) and provide significant coverage. See Wikipedia:GNG

Reliable sources means that the sources are considered to be reliable and trustworthy.

In your case, your subject has no reliable sources that are secondary and provide significant coverage, which means that it is not notable.

Just because you can't easily find sources doesn't mean that your topic is not notable. For example, for my article Metallic Child, the subject is barely notable but only because I managed to find three reliable sources deep in the internet. If you search for longer, you might find reliable sources to meet notability requirements. EternalNub (talk) 01:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

There are many articles, especially older and about obscure topics, that exist, but do not meet current standards per referencing. A choice then is nominate for deletion or add references. David notMD (talk) 02:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD O I see. Thanks a lot, it does clarify the reason for the articles' existence. Thank you. MsAzra (talk) 00:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@EternalNub Thanks a lot for your reply. I understand now. :) Thanks. MsAzra (talk) 00:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Page dismissed

I added more information to a stub for a class project. I left the original info and added before and after it and cited all proper resources. I went to publish and it dismissed it saying it was unconstructive so i sent in a report, but it is saying the title cannot be found or does not exist. What do I do? Amalley0627 (talk) 00:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Amalley0627, if you'd kindly gloss for us each "it" within it dismissed it saying it was unconstructive so i sent in a report, but it is saying the title cannot be found or does not exist, then we'd understand what you're talking about and very likely be able to advise you. -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I am very new to wikipedia and was not thinking.

When i hit publish. A notice popped up at the top from wikipedias automatic filter saying that the submission was dismissed due to being unconstructive. When i went to report it (because on the notice gives you the option to report if you believe it is wrong) i made my report and went to publish and when i did a notice popped up saying the title could not be found. 73.104.183.232 (talk) 01:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

You've already raised the matter at Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives/Reports#Amalley0627: the right place for it. An underinformed guess is that it looks very strange when an article that doesn't seem to have any relationship with furniture has a reference to a page on a website whose domain name suggests that it's hawking old furniture. But the website isn't obviously hawking old furniture and the web page is informative. (And in its previous state the Wikipedia article was very poor.) As I'm not well up on this particular aspect of Wikipedia's workings I don't propose to involve myself (because if I did so I might muck something up). Please be patient: I think that the matter will be sorted out satisfactorily and fairly quickly. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Amalley0627 Welcome to the Teahouse.

It sounds like you have run into an edit filter while trying to edit Sangmin. Since the edit did not get published, and you did not provide much by way of additional details when you made your false positive report, it would just be speculation to guess why you triggered the edit filter.

I know that discussion of castes is covered by one of the general sanctions regimes, but I've never seen any mention of Korean castes. Or perhaps it was one of the references you offered. It would probably be best at this point to add more details to your false positive report. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Translation

I have translated a wikipedia article and want to publish it. However, wikipedia says that publishing translation is limited to experienced users.

Here's the translated page (in English) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Public_Voice

And here's the original article (in Persian): https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D9%88%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%85%DB%8C

Would you please help me add the English translation as another language to the original article?

Thank you! Hobabe.shisheh (talk) 04:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello Hobabe.shisheh and welcome to the Teahouse!

While use of the translation tool is restricted, you can certainly produce a translated draft, as you have here, and see if you can get it accepted at WP:articles for creation. Some requirements need to be met. Use the {{translated page}} template on the talk page of the draft to pinpoint where the text is being translated from. And, despite being an article on a different language Wikipedia, the draft must still comply with English Wikipedia's policies before it can be accepted.

In this case, you need to supply more inline citations for the content (or remove the content you cannot find supporting sources for) and you need to keep a focus on how your subject meets notability guidelines, such as the ones at NBAND.

The other problem with your draft is that it is not really written in an encyclopedic, neutral style or tone. A sentence like Public Voice's escape from Iran was a long and arduous journey comes off as editorializing, which we are not supposed to do. If you can quote a person who holds that opinion, then - properly quoted and cited - it can appear in an article. There's a lot of other examples of this kind of writing in your draft that will likely prevent it from being accepted in its current state. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Citing on Mobile

Howdy howdy! I wanted to ask if you could cite sources on the mobile version of Wikipedia because it seems like you can't for some reason? Thanks. Monurin (talk) 11:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Monurin, and welcome. You certainly can, but it may well be that certain tools that make it easier are not available.

I don't do much editing on mobile, myself, but Cullen328 does, and I suggest you read his essay User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. ColinFine (talk) 16:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! I've read through the article but his way of referencing is a tad too complex for me since it seems to involve manipulating the source code? Which is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo to me. Guess I'll have to stick with the web version for now. Cheers. Monurin (talk) 05:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Add new article about short film

Hi, I would like to create an article for the short film "nothing, except everything.", which will be adapted into a feature soon by Sony. It is directed by Wesley Wang, and has been written about when it won a few film festivals, in university publications, and Hollywood newspapers when it was recently announced it'd be turned into a feature. Tidiestpine (talk) 05:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

hi and welcome to the Teahouse! please check the notability criteria for films, which has the criteria for films that can have an article, and get some reliable and independent sources that discuss it in depth and not just through passing mentions before you start writing about it. for the article writing process itself, you may consult Your first article. happy editing!

on an unrelated note, i should really check the film out too, it's been stuck in my Watch Later for a while now 💜 melecie talk - 06:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

ping: @Tidiestpine 💜 melecie talk - 06:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Editing The Eras Tour (section)

Hi I'm just wondering of Editing The Eras Tour country/venue list (section) because I wanted to see the different leg country sections of the tour for the viewers to read the venue list from each legs sections properly. For example Leg 1 - North America, Leg 2 - Latin America, Leg 3 - Asia & Oceania, Leg 4 - Europe, Leg 5 - North America. SectorKWiki19 (talk) 09:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please offer proposed changes to that article on its associated talk page, Talk:The Eras Tour. 331dot (talk) 09:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

adding refrence

https://www.republicbharat.com/india/education/agenciple-revamp-is-providing-better-career-options-for-youth-in-it-sector/ can i add this article to Draft:Vaibhav Palhade i found it new release today but have mentioned as founder of organisation Steelbird1967 (talk) 09:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Steelbird, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The purpose of a citation in a Wikipedia article is to provide verification for particular information in the article: nothing else.

If Republic Bharat appears to be a reliable source (see in particular WP:NEWSORGINDIA), and you are using it to support a claim in the draft, then you can certainly add the citation to the end of the sentence or paragraph with that claim in it. ColinFine (talk) 10:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Add new article

Hi, I would like to create an article for a windsurfing athlete of Belize. WomenWhoSurf (talk) 04:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

hi @WomenWhoSurf and welcome to the Teahouse! please check out the notability criteria for sports which tells you the criteria for sports-related articles, reliable sources for what sources can be used for the article, and Your first article for writing the article itself, once notability is established and sources are obtained. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 06:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

See Windsurfing, International stars, for a few examples of existing articles. Mimicing an existing article is not a guarentee that your draft will be accepted (there are tens of thousands of flawed articles), but it would be a start. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Redirect template in sandbox

This is probably a silly question, but having created an article in my sandbox and moved it to mainspace, I now have a redirect template in my sandbox. Is it okay for me to delete this, or would that affect the article, please? ArthurTheGardener (talk) 20:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@ArthurTheGardener: It's fine to remove it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. (Nice user name, by the way). ArthurTheGardener (talk) 20:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

ArthurTheGardener, you've linked each book to a page of a particular retailer. Please don't do that. (Interested readers can arrive at different language/nation flavours of this retailer via the ISBN link.) Also, please specify the publisher; and for the "location", be more specific than "US" if you can. -- Hoary (talk) 01:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, will do, thanks. Is there another site (not a retailer) that Wiki prefers to link to the ISBN number, please? (This is my first try at a creating a page, and I'm still finding my way.) ArthurTheGardener (talk) 09:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@ArthurTheGardener We prefer to use Google books, which is not a retailer and for many books allows search inside. If you use the WP:Citation expander gadget, then you can get it to automatically convert the ISBN to most of the necessary fields. I've done the first Jendia Gammon example for you so you'll see the output which in this case includes her as publisher. I had to add the page count and Google link manually, as is easily done once you find the Google books entry, again via the ISBN. Note that the Google URL link is automatically associated with the title, not the ISBN, which Wikipedia links to Special:BookSources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate your help. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 13:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@ArthurTheGardener .... as an aside, I note that the portrait of Gammon which was uploaded by User:JDianneDotson clearly states in its exif data that it is "© Nicholas Barrett, All Rights Reserved", who was presumably the photographer. I hope that the uploader can now get him to email Commons to confirm that he releases the rights to the image, or it can't be used. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see that now. My bad - I didn't check the provenance when I looked it up on Wikicommons. I'll see if I can find something more appropriate. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 13:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit won’t show up

My edit on USSR was published, but won’t show up, even though it wasn’t reverted. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 01:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

It shows up. -- Hoary (talk) 02:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, on the source it does, but not the actual article. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 13:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248: It shows up in the article when I look at it, but it's still showing up in the twelfth position like it was showing up before you made the edit. The reason it's doing that has to do with the paramaters you've used for that particular entry. You physically moved the entry to a higher position in the list, but the you didn't change the parameters for the entry and still used |s12= and |flag_s12=; so, the software reads that as add this entry to the twelfth line in the list. First, you need to change the parameter to reflect the new location you want the entry and it's flag to appear; then, you need to adjusts the parameters of each subsequent entry according to reflect the new ordering. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for poining this out. I have fixed it now. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 14:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Article too "directory"-like

The article Baraem, an Arabic children's TV network, seems to me to read like a TV programme moreso than an encyclopedia entry. I don't want to take a step myself because I'm unsure if these airtimes are worth editing out or not. BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 14:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree and I simply removed it. Esolo5002 (talk) 15:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

add longtitudes and latitudes

how do i add coordinates of a location (longtitudes, latitudes) to an article. im writing an article about a town in texas Draft:Israel, Texas (Polk county) CSIfan2007 (talk) 14:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Please see Template:Coord for how to format them - if you have any questions, please come back. - Arjayay (talk) 14:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@CSIfan2007: If you should need help in obtaining the correct coordinates, they can be found on this GNIS page. (Round the d/m/s coordinates to the nearest second.) That page can also be added as a reference in the draft; see Template:Cite gnis. Deor (talk) 15:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Appeal an AfD decision

I was involved in an AfD decision recently that I feel had emerging consensus around a Keep !vote but the closing admin chose instead to Merge. If anything, I think this was premature at least and that more !votes were coming in still in support of a keep of the page, and the merge view was in the minority and not soundly based on policy. How might I go about appealing this other than already posting on the closing admins talk page?

The AfD in question was very well supported by reliable sources that did absolutely distinguish between the term the page referred to and another similar term. Here is the link to the AfD that I would like to appeal merging of. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Woke Mind Virus. I am not familiar with the process of an appeal, if there is one, but I do not think this particular decision accurately reflects the consensus that appeared as a result of the AfD. Iljhgtn (talk) 18:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review. I'm unfamiliar with the process, but DRV is the proper venue for appealing AfD decisions. – dudhhr^talk_contribs^she_her 18:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

New User question re: conflict of interest

Hello! I am a brand new User, just starting to find my way around and needing guidance. Yesterday I substantially improved upon and added to this stub: Boniface Luykx, which was created in 2015. I intend to expand it into a real article with specific citations in the near future. My question: I knew Boniface Luykx, who has been deceased for 20 years, and edited some of his works. I need to disclose this potential conflict of interest, but I am not sure how or where to do so. Many thanks. Sister2022 (talk) 16:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sister2022, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for being open about your COI. The best place to declare it is on your user page User:Sister2022. (You have not so far created this: that's all right, it's not required, and some editors choose never to create it. But it's a good place to make the declaration).

You can also declare it on the talk page Talk:Boniface Luykx.

As you'll see from WP:COI, you should not from now on edit the article directly, but should make edit requests on the article's talk page. ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for this guidance! I will proceed as you have suggested. Sister2022 (talk) 19:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

A list of examples of things that should be cited

I'm currently working on an article on the game Mindustry. However, I need reliable sources to support the article. I don't have any trouble finding information on Mindustry, but what kind of information in the article should be cited? Do I just cite everything I see? Gaster2411 (talk) 19:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, and welcome to the Teahouse. Everything in an article should be supported by a reliable source. Citations allow a reader to verify that the information presented in a Wikipedia article is correct, and to provide more information or context if needed. Please see the Verifiability policy for more information. Mokadoshi (talk) 20:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thanks Gaster2411 (talk) 20:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding EFN for references

Hello everyone!

I recently have been editing my grandmothers article on Wikipedia. I had to stop obviously because I learned I had a COI. We had to remove her birth dates because they didn't have a reliable ref. Is using a EFN OK and saying something along the lines of

Birth date August 21, 1965 (EFN) No reliable source but confirmed by family. (EFN)

Her name is Catherine Emihovich

{I also could use help improving the article but I know you guys don't that here} Shane emihovich (talk) 21:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Shane No. Everything in an article, even extending to captions under images, must be WP:Verifiable in *published* sources. However, if your grandmother's birth certificate is available (many are online, at genealogical sites such as Ancestry.com), or even if not online but available in an in-person publicly searchable paper or electronic archive such as at a County Clerk's office, then you can probably add it. See Template:Cite archive. Mathglot (talk) 23:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

How to add notes on wikipedia?

I keep seeing people with notes that are like

Saturn has rings (A) - (This would be a blue link) And then a would be a note. How do you add these? Thank you if you help in any way. 65.34.207.88 (talk) 21:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 65.34.207.88. It sounds like you're asking about "explanatory notes" or "efn". If that's the case, you can find out some more information about efn at Help:Shortened footnotes#Explanatory notes. If that's not the case, then perhaps you can provide a link to an article where you're seeing these "notes" to make it easier for others to figure out what you're referring to. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like you figured it out (and registered for an account). Hope that settles it for you! Mathglot (talk) 23:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Is this artist's discography long enough to justify its own page?

I think that the discography section of K.Flay's article is quite long. Could be created into a separate discography article? Rockboy1009 (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Rockboy1009, deciding on whether something belongs on its own page is not only a question of length, but primarily one of WP:Notability, in the Wikipedia sense of that word, which isn't quite the same as the plain English sense. In a nutshell: are there multiple, reliable, independent, secondary sources that cover the discography, with significant coverage in them? I.e., not just a listing of them, but some serious analysis like you'd get when reading a book or chapter or serious web article on Billy Joel's albums, how they compare, the evolution, the styles, the influences, who sat in, recording information, an so on? See WP:PAGEDECIDE for more on this. There is also something called a List article which has a lower bar to creation, and if you call the new article List of K. Flay songs (or albums), then you could have just a list (or table), as long as the overall topic meets the Notability threshold for a list article. See Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists for more about this. Mathglot (talk) 23:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

What is the maximum limit of new article request submissions per user per day/week/month?

I successfully created five accepted drafts within the past two weeks. When I tried to make one today, I was told that I had reached the limit--and to try again later. How long must I wait? 98.181.96.148 (talk) 01:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Huh. Not sure there's a limit. Anyways, your latest one I also accepted, so maybe try creating it again? LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 01:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't know a limit. If it happens again then please quote the exact message. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Added references to my article but it was not reviewed yet

"Javier Zaruski" Medianextgen (talk) 23:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Javier Zaruski — Mathglot (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Medianextgen Hello, and welcome. Please be patient. We have a backlog of hundreds, if not thousands of articles needing to be reviewed. So please be patient. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 23:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, it's been 5 months. Is that a regular wait time? Medianextgen (talk) 00:10, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Medianextgen: In one of your edits, you deleted the review comments and decline notice, which also removed the button to resubmit it for review. Another editor has fixed that, so it will be reviewed again in time. 02:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Mentioning someone whose name has changed

What is the best or correct way to mention that someone's surname has changed in the body of an article? Here is the sentence I'm looking at, as it stands now: "Yoda was originally portrayed by a puppet created by Stuart Freeborn and Wendy Froud (née Midener)." Is this the best way to do it? Froud was credited as "Wendy Midener" in the credits of at least one of the Star Wars films. Wafflewombat (talk) 00:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: Her article already mentions her previous name, so I don't think it's needed in your example. RudolfRed (talk) 02:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 04:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Re-using citation

I'm working on the Yoda page and I want to re-use a citation that is in the infobox. It's right after the words "Jedi Order". I'm using the visual editor, and when I click "Re-use" in the citation creator, the citation I want doesn't show up. Can someone tell me how to re-use that citation? Wafflewombat (talk) 04:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I named that ref, so if you want to reuse that ref (though I'm not sure if it's the way to do it in the visual editor, I usually do stuff with the source editor), you would type <ref name="starwars-databank1" />. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 04:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Wafflewombat (talk) 05:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat@LilianaUwU In VE, named references are listed at Cite > Re-use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey, Let's Talk Here

Taiwanese politician Li Ao claimed in a TV program that Leslie Cheung committed suicide because he was suffering from AIDS, and said that he had "reliable sources".^[1]

@Ohfallingstar has been undoing this sentence on the page "Leslie Cheung", for its "disrespectful""gossip" though China News Service is a reliable source (see first undo, second undo' and third). As a conjecture on the cause of Leslie Cheung's death, I think it should stay on the page. What do you every wikipedians think?

(Extraneous remarks: According to this source, Li Ao has never connected AIDS with LGBTQ+. It seems that this wikipedian is a little worried.) SKBNK (talk) 04:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Friends, this is the Teahouse, which is not the best venue for a content dispute where knowledgeable editors can assist. I recommend either the article talk page, or failing that our dispute resolution system. Remsense诉 07:25, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

References

^ "台湾著名文人李敖爆料：张国荣自杀因患艾滋病？". China News Service (in Chinese (China)). 15 April 2003.

Proper procedure for obscenities/slurs?

I'm wondering if there's any sort of proper procedure to censor quotes.

I recently read an article (WeatherStar) which contains a quote from an incident where a broadcast machine was tampered with. The quote contains a racial slur, and despite the MOS saying that quotes should always contain obscenities exactly as the quote was said, I can't help but think it's inappropriate to have the uncensored quote on a page where it really wouldn't be expected to see language like that. MilesPrower1992 (talk) 19:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@MilesPrower1992: the MOS saying that quotes should always contain obscenities exactly as the quote was said - The MOS reflects consensus, as at the time it was written. If you wish to propose a change to the MOS, do so on WT:MOS. But first please read WP:NOTCENSORED, then check that the same change has not been proposed in recent months. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

We could consider the whatever to fail WP:PROPORTION and remove it. One of the refs is WP:NYPOST. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi MilesPrower1992. As you've pointed out, Wikipedia's doesn't really WP:CENSOR or otherwise WP:BOWDLERIZE quotes containing what might be perceived by some as offensive content. So, if the content is part of a reliably sourced quote and essential to the understandng of a the quote in an encyclopedic context, then it can be included in articles. You've already started a discussion about the latter at Talk:WeatherStar#RE: the racial slur incident; so, that's the best place to continue the discussion. My personal opinion is that you're probably going to need to come up with a stronger argument than I really didn't expect to have to explain why I showed my friend an article including the hard R (particularly since there exists a stand-alone Wikipedia article about the slur in question), but you can also seek additional input from relevant WikiProjects if you like as long as you do so in accordance with WP:APPNOTE. There are no WikiProject banners listed at the top of that article's talk page, but perhaps some of the ones listed at the top of Talk:The Weather Channel would also apply to this article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi again MilesPrower1992. The relevant content looks to have been WP:BOLDly added in August 2022 with this edit. You could WP:PING the editor who added it to the article talk page discussion you started, or add a {{Please see}} template to their user talk page to see whether they want to comment on it. Whatever you decide to do, you should WP:AGF and not automatically assume the worst of the other editor. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

The content in question has two references, neither of which uses the n-word. As pointed out by Gråbergs Gråa Sång, the New York Post is not a reliable source and so that reference should be removed. While it is correct that we do not modify direct quotes, it is also correct that a direct quote must be attributed to its source. Accordingly, I believe that the offensive quote should be paraphrased, and the specific slur should be omitted. Cullen328 (talk) 21:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Miles, you've gotten good advice above. One thing that wasn't quite clear to me, was whether your objection or question was related to your being offended personally, or more a general worry that someone might be offended. If the latter, there's not much to be done about that (other than what's already been explained). But if it's the former, I know that there are ways to avoid seeing certain kinds of images on Wikipedia articles that only affects your own view of Wikipedia, and it might be that there exists something similar for words as well, but I'm not quite sure. If not, there is something called a "user script" which can make specific alterations in your view of a Wikipedia page (and no one else's), and something like that might work for you. Mathglot (talk) 23:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

A bit of both, personally and for others. Of course, I understand that to avoid talking about slurs and other potentially offensive language would be unreasonable for a site like Wikipedia, and in cases like a page specifically about racial slurs or other topics where there's a reasonable expectation that there will be vulgar language and/or slurs, I'm not arguing.

It's just that, when I open a page about a piece of weather broadcasting hardware, I don't expect to see that kind of language. I understand that the rule is the rule, and I'll follow them. I was just shocked by seeing such a seemingly out-of-place quote on an otherwise SFW topic.

Thanks for the advice on the user script. MilesPrower1992 (talk) 01:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

This reminds me of a discussion we had (I was User:Amatulic at the time) on Talk:Pinotage#Child Rape comment, in which we discussed a quotation by a famous winemaker comparing a cultivar of wine grape to "child rape". The consensus was, eventually, to remove it, and include it in the article about the winemaker instead.

A similar situation may exist here. If the quotation isn't relevant, or fits better in some other article, then it could be removed, but would need discussion first, as was the case with the Pinotage discussion I linked. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Rudeness

Is it 'normal' to receive an email telling you you have vandalized a Wiki page and that you may be blocked if you do anything like that again, when the edit you made was helpful and useful and true? The email was rather rude. Thank you. Womble218 (talk) 10:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I've checked the edit so I can see where the issue might lie. You placed external links in the main body of the article, which you generally receive a notice for but definitely should not receive an only warning (otherwise referred to as a 4im) for; this is what you've been given. I'll be replacing the 4im with a notice for external links in main body. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 10:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll remember that in future. There is a discsusion about this user and 'harrassment' in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents currently. Angie O'Kon they're called. Womble218 (talk) 10:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

No worries, I hope this experience hasn't dampened your experience on Wikipedia too much.

Thanks for making me aware, I'll pop over to that discussion in a bit. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 10:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The Angie O'Kon account was created on May 4th. More than 100 editors were sent Warnings by AO - all now reverted (tedious but thankful work). Expect the account to be blocked soon. David notMD (talk) 10:45, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Now indefinitely blocked - Arjayay (talk) 10:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:School for Commercial Communication

Much to complicated for me to manage. Is it possible that someone is solving the problems, to do it rihgt? It is an important piece of history. Worth to save it. It would be a relieve if it is picked up by a specialist who knows about it. Thanks in advance. MJJdeG (talk) 09:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

MJJdeG Draft:School for Commercial Communication has been Declined three times because you have made no effort to include any references. Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be your researchers or co-authors. Do not submit again until all factual statements in the draft are either referenced, or deleted if no references are available. See WP:42 on references. David notMD (talk) 10:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

You may find it much easier to follow the referencing tutorial at WP:INTREFVE where you can edit using the Visual Editor, akin to Microsoft Word. Qcne (talk) 11:16, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

creating a new page - put the references too high up in the document, how to move?

Hello! i am a new creator, am creating a page. i want to use the cite while you write function. i inadvertently inserted the references section very high up on the article. i wanted to move it to the end without losing my work. is that possible? i'm not even sure how to delete it, if that is my only option. thanks for help! Ihyen2024 (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

You simply move the section to the bottom. If you use the source editor, the references section is created by a single tag, {{reflist}}.

However, your account has no edits at all other than your comment above, and you have no deleted contributions. It's hard to help you if you don't mention the page you're working on. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! It’s currently a draft. Your response prompted me to change how I’m viewing to source editing and i was able to move the references. 2600:1700:5B20:8210:432:3DBA:A216:CFF (talk) 18:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you doing this under a different account or IP? 331dot (talk) 19:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Um... how do I adopt a user??? I see on peoples pages it says they are doing it... >_< Lilly is cool (talk) 17:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

try Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^Ex-Mørtis 18:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

You should wait until you have more experience before trying to be a mentor for another new user. RudolfRed (talk) 19:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Help

Can someone tell me how to make a user box??? Lilly is cool (talk) 19:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Lilly is cool: See WP:USERBOX for info on that and links to pages with related info. RudolfRed (talk) 19:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Pls help

I don't know how to make a user box, can someone tell me how? 😶‍🌫 Lilly is cool (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Lilly is cool: Don't post the same questions multiple times. Just be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 19:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Lilly is cool, it looks like you've already got at least one userbox on your userpage so I'm guessing you're wanting to create an original one. In which case you'll be using the template {{userbox}}. -- D'n'B-t -- 19:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I would like to use IABot to fix dead links

Hi, I saw your account has to be 10 days old to get basicuser/analyse page permissions, I was wondering if I could get those permissions early to fix dead links on pages with long lists of references? I have been manually doing them but I would like to use the bot to make my work easier! Paulinefowler666 (talk) 19:51, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

If doing a particular task "manually" for a few days is onerous, then for those few days just switch to a different task. 110.2.125.220 (talk) 20:25, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Help citing a law

I have been editing MN 36 for a bit and I have found the law that established the highway - [10], that I want to use to replace the self-published source in the infobox and to cite the date in the history section. I'm not sure how to cite this, as I have looked on other pages but could not find a consistent example of what do do. NotDragonius (talk) 20:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, NotDragonius. I think that Template:Cite act is probably what you are looking for. Cullen328 (talk) 21:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

What to do

How are you supposed to tell the difference between if something is promotional or not? Like this excerpt: "According to Star Tribune in 2015, the project resulted in a 70 percent increase in walking in the city, smoking decreasing by 4 percent, and participants in the program losing a combined 4 tons of weight. In 2022, while reflecting on the project, retiring project lead Ellen Kehr noted that smoking had further fallen from 23 percent at the start of the project to 16%. According to themselves, the Blue Zones project has spread to over 70 communities across North America and impacted approximately 4.35 million people." It seems promotional...but is it? TheBrowniess (talk) 11:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

According to themselves, the Blue Zones project: I'll take the referent of "themselves" to be "the Blue Zones project" (syntactically odd, but no alternative referent occurs to me). So now we have the project and its retiring lead -- and nobody else -- describing the project's success. I wouldn't call that "promotional", but certainly it's not satisfactory. -- Hoary (talk) 12:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy: This is about AARP/Blue Zones Vitality Project. David notMD (talk) 12:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

The 'advertising tone' tag was put there November 23. Several of the edits since then were described as removing promotional tone wording. Consider removing the tag. David notMD (talk) 13:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Changed the section a bit. Should the tag be removed now? TheBrowniess (talk) 23:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Do it. David notMD (talk) 12:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both for the advice. I have removed the tag. Cheers! TheBrowniess (talk) 23:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Removing "May not meet notability" tag

Dan Haigh

Just to get it out of the way: I am not this individual nor do I know him, I found him through his level design work and found out about his musical work from this article.

The page is poorly sourced but given that:

1.) this individual was in two bands who have undisputed Wikipedia articles,

2.) other members in both bands have undisputed Wikipedia articles,

3.) this individual founded a software company making quake mods that were distributed physically by PC Gamer magazine (this company alone is probably notable)

4.) this individual composed the theme music to an official Valve title

5.) this individual created levels for another official Valve title, as well as having worked for multiple other game studios including some that the article does not mention

6.) this individual created music videos for Tesseract

I think removing the "may not meet notability" tag from 2015 should be uncontroversial. The article itself needs a lot of work, but I don't think the notability is in dispute at all. I'm not an experienced editor and I'd like a second opinion on this, because its hard to tell if the notability guidelines are met, but my intuition says the game work alone is notable. I do think the article lacks third party sources (partially because Valve did not credit its employees on Day of Defeat: Source for some reason), but I don't know if that needs to be fixed before the tag is removed. Cyrusabyrd (talk) 23:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Please follow the link in the box you want to remove to our notability guidelines for musicians which will explain what determines notability, as opposed to the things you've listed which do not. Remsense诉 00:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

1.) this individual was in two bands who have undisputed Wikipedia articles,

2.) other members in both bands have undisputed Wikipedia articles,

Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.

4.) this individual composed the theme music to an official Valve title

Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album.

The other reasons I listed are not related to music, but I derived these music related ones from the page in the box I'm trying to remove. Let me know if I'm interpreting these wrong. Cyrusabyrd (talk) 00:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

1 and 2 are clearly irrelevant, per Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability.

4 is insufficient by itself, given there's little coverage of the subject in reliable sources. Remsense诉 00:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

That page is saying an individual may be notable if they are a member of two or more independently notable ensembles. The part you're citing is pointing out that if the individual is only a member of a single notable band, and are not independently notable, they are incorporated into the article for the notable band. The exception "unless they have demonstrated individual notability" refers back to the notability guidelines, which include being a member of two or more notable ensembles. Cyrusabyrd (talk) 01:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The key word being may. It's irrelevant if there is not significant coverage of the person in reliable sources, which underlies our general notability guideline, of which the music page is a supplement. Remsense诉 01:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

If the page needs to be better sourced before it meets notability that makes sense. The individual himself is covered in plenty of third party sources related to music and games, I'll try to work more of that in.

The Day of Defeat: Source thing needs to be cleared up anyway because the Wikipedia article for the game itself used to say Mike Morasky and was changed without any reasoning(I think adding Mike in the first place was an assumption based on his Team Fortress 2 work anyway.). I think its likely both people worked on different parts of the game's composition but without official credits its hard to nail anything down without relying on the claim from Haigh's website. Cyrusabyrd (talk) 02:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello @Cyrusabyrd, and welcome to Wikipedia! I would strongly suggest against it, as it appears to fail some criteria on Wikipedia's notability guideline for music. But I'm happy with waiting for another opinion. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cyrusabyrd: In my view, he clearly meets WP:MUSICBIO criterion #6. There are enough sources cited too. I would remove the tag. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

For reference, this appears to be the revision where the tag was added: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Haigh&oldid=658633387 Cyrusabyrd (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I would recommend getting removing all the unreliable sources cited in the article, as well as the claims that cannot be found in another reliable source, they include IMDB, YouTube, and every other user-generated source like MobyGames. Without those, it seems there is very little that is properly cited in the article, hence the notability concerns. After cleaning and double-checking, it would be much more clear whether the subject is notable. It is also generally unacceptable to rely on primary sources like the subject's own website, which is also cited. See this list for sources whose reliability has previously been discussed by editors for reference. Remsense诉 23:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Simple floating map based on coordinates, not in infobox

Hi! When you input coordinates in an infobox (for example for a building), it automatically generates a simple map of the location with a pin. Is there a way do this same process outside of an infobox? I'm working on an article on an event and it would make a lot of sense to have a map like this in the "Location" section. Thanks:) WikiFouf (talk) 23:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, WikiFouf. You can do it using Template:Infobox mapframe. Also, Template:Location map can be used, if a more specific map image is available. —⁠andrybak (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Andrybak! Infobox mapframe seems to work well, however do you know if there's a way to align the map on the left/right and to add a caption? WikiFouf (talk) 00:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

WikiFouf, as the name suggests, template {{Infobox mapframe}} is intended to be used in infoboxes. Therefore, for simple alignment to the right, it can be put inside the template {{infobox}}, or inside {{infobox event}}, or {{infobox building}}, as in the earlier example:

{{infobox
|image1={{Infobox mapframe|id=Q100}}
|caption1=Example caption
}}

For standalone display, template {{Image frame}} can be used:

{{Image frame
|align=left
|content={{Infobox mapframe|id=Q100}}
|caption=Example caption on the left
}}
{{Image frame
|align=right
|content={{Infobox mapframe|id=Q100}}
|caption=Example caption on the right
}}

Hope this helps. —⁠andrybak (talk) 00:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Andrybak Yes perfect thank you! WikiFouf (talk) 01:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

App icon keeps showing up with transparent background

So I've recreated the app icon for this article in Inkscape, but the white background (seen here) isn't showing. I've tried several times, but each time I export it, the background is still transparent. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 21:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you think it is a Wikipedia specific problem? If yes ask this at WP:Village pump (technical) or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous or WP:Reference desk/computing. I leave it to you or other hosts to decide which place would thus be better. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 09:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Mayor Notability

Is mayor comes under the Wikipedia notability guidelines, if yes then why this (Janak Kotak) page deleted. If no, then why this page (Pushyamitra Bhargav) exist. IdeaCentre1 (talk) 07:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

This was PRODDED on notability grounds, and no-one contested the PROD. Mayors are not presumed to be notable, so they need to pass WP:GNG or WP:NBASIC. Simply being a mayor is not sufficient. See WP:POLITICIAN: "Just being an elected local official, or ..., does not guarantee notability," Meters (talk) 08:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Ultimately Wikipedia is biased. IC (talk) 11:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Meters: Please don't use jargon like "PRODDED" on The Teahouse, at least not without linking it (in this case to WP:PROD). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Don't get hung up on the wording " Doesn't fall under Wikipedia: Notability guideline" in the deletion notice. This was just the wording used by the editor who originally placed the PROD notice on the article. I would interpret this as a concern that the subject of the article did not meet the notability requirements. You can ask for the article to be refunded if you wish to work on it. See Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. Meters (talk) 08:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

That's how it works. Biased Wikipedia. IC (talk) 11:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ideacentre: Yes. Wikipedia is based against low-quality poorly-sourced content. You have been told how to have the article undeleted, and what needs to be done to bring it up the standard where (assuming the subject meets our neutrally-applied notability criteria) it can be kept on Wikipedia. The next move is up to you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

why page is not getting published inspite of sources

LINK : User:Drxhemant/sandbox

Kindly publish this page. or let me know the reason of not publishing it !!! Drxhemant (talk) 07:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

In short, because it looks like you're trying to write an article about yourself. See Wikipedia:Autobiography for a whole host of reasons why this is discouraged. -- D'n'B-t -- 08:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deleted and account indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 12:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Grammar?

Is it "for the App Store" or "on the App Store", as in "The game was released _____ the App Store on March 18, 2016." TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 21:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TrademarkedTWOrantula. I do not think that this is a matter of grammar as much as it is common usage, and I believe that "on the App Store" is the most common usage. Cullen328 (talk) 21:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula: Yes. If the game was not licensed by app store to its creator for an app store original or something like that, I don't think a second thought is needed to say "on". ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 09:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be "BY the App Store"? (just as you yourself wrote in your reply to Cullen immediately above this message) Augnablik (talk) 12:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

By is usually reserved for the game's developers; using that preposition when the game is available through multiple vendors is strange especially: The game was released by the Nintendo Switch store and Steam. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Upload this poster, please

This is a poster of The Flash movie, it has the billing block in it, I hope that someone uploads it. Link: [11] 190.21.190.250 (talk) 08:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The poster is copyrighted, so only low resolution is allowed for use per fair use. The poster you provided may or may not qualify for use if it is converted to low resolution. I think you should propose any such idea at Talk:The Flash (film). ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 09:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor Fyi, when you upload non-free at WP:FUW, a bot comes around after awhile and makes the pic low res. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: I should have mentioned that there is no strict necessity to upload low resolution image by editor themselves. Thanks for adding that. Whatsoever, the matter is best suited to be discussed at relevant talk page. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 11:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

That poster is not the main American theatrical release version, so it should not be used. Any poster requests should also be taken to Talk:The Flash (film), not here. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Issues with my coding

Hello, I'm having trouble with this line of code "| other_services = Adjacent stations|system=CFFH|line=Alexandroupoli-Svilengrad|left=Karaağaç|right=Dilofos" as you can see I keep getting a Lua error, informing me that the Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Adjacent stations/CFFH' not found. Given I have adjusted the code in Module:Adjacent stations/Hellenic Train/doc page, I'm stuck! I know I'm missing something, but for the life of me I can not work out what it is? please help... ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 00:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@The Emperor of Byzantium: If you do not get an answer here, you may repost this question at WP:Village pump (technical). If you do so, close this question or just mention here that you have reposted the question, a host will close it for you. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 09:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Emperor. You could try asking at Module talk:Adjacent stations. ColinFine (talk) 16:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

ANTIKYTHERA MECHANISM

I am one author of an article Malin and Dickens and have edited the above Wiki article to correct our conclusions, which were wrong. These changes do not appear after hitting "publish". So are not saved. Please advise. Robert Dickens 2A00:23C8:1D08:601:4B:FDC:405F:531F (talk) 14:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Robert, and welcome to the Teahouse. Citing your own work in an article is regarded as editing with a conflict of interest, so you should not do so directly. I appreciate that what you are doing here isnot quite that, but saying that the article misrepresents your conclusion in a paper already cited; but I would suggest that for the sake of propriety and clarity, it is best to treat it as a COI.

Please submit an edit request so that an uninvolved editor can make the edit. (This would also have avoided the problem with you inadvertently breaking the WikiMarkup, and the problem of another editor misevaluating your change as original research). ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Antikythera mechanism

It looks like between you and another editor you managed to break the formatting so that it was unintelligable - but it did publish. What change were you trying to make? -- D'n'B-t -- 15:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

AirSeven

Hi, i am currently trying to make an article on the airline AirSeven, i made the article, submited it, and it ended up declined. IDK what is wrong, it says that there is too little references, but the Danish version has less references so why can the translation i made with info not get aproved? Here is the draft link: Draft:Air Seven BluePlanespotter (talk) 12:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@BluePlanespotter The short answer is that different-language Wikipedias each have their own standards for inclusion. Here in the English version we are long past the need for brief articles that merely demonstrate something exits. Instead, we want material showing how the topic is wikinotable as defined for companies. That means that citations to company websites are OK for simple facts but won't demonstrate the required notability. We need about three sources which satisfy these criteria. It may be possible to improve your declined draft to the required standard. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the info BluePlanespotter (talk) 13:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

BluePlanespotter Hello and welcome. Please understand that each version of Wikipedia is a separate project with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. When doing a translation you must check the guidelines for the version you intend to write for to see if the topic meets those guidelines, like notability The English Wikipedia tends to be stricter than others. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

AirSeven (Again)

I have changed some stuff on the AirSeven draft. IDK if it's good enough, so i am asking what you think. Link: Draft:Air Seven BluePlanespotter (talk) 15:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

A suggestion would be to write in paragraphs, not a new line for every single statement. Please see WP:MOS. I will also note that Simple Flying is regarded as a generally unreliable source, see WP:SIMPLEFLYING.

As a reviewer, I would not accept in its current state. Qcne (talk) 15:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

AirSeven (Again again)

So i have added some more info and citations, and i just want to see if it's up to Wikipedia standards (If it's not then you are free to make some changes). Link: Draft:AirSeven BluePlanespotter (talk) 08:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, BluePlanespotter. In general Teahouse hosts are not reviewers, and, while we may sometimes look at a draft, reviewing is not a task we have chosen to take on. The best way to get a review is to submit it for review!

That may take months (or it may take minutes), but you can continue to improve the draft while you're waiting. In any case, if it is not accepted you'll get feedback about what is lacking.

As long as you are taking note of the comments and doing your best to improve it, nobody will be harsh on you for resubmitting several times. ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thank you BluePlanespotter (talk) 17:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

What is the Wikipedia policy on AI generated images?

I've found an article about a historical figure which features an AI generated image. The image isn't an upscaled version of a real image, but was generated based on descriptions of the historical figure. In what context are fully AI generated images allowed to be used on Wikipedia and should the aforementioned image be removed? Broadhead Arrow (talk) 13:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I'm not entirely sure(so don't go by just me) but I think a pure AI generated image would be 1) original research and 2) would have copyright issues(as the uploader technically isn't the "creator"), so it should probably be removed. It would help to know what exactly we are talking about, though. 331dot (talk) 13:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohitashva - Article with the AI generated image in question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastogi - The AI generated image from the first article shows up in this article as well

The description of the image states that it is an "image created using the context that describes the personality of the Harishchandra son, ROHITASHVA".

There's a Wikipedia project centered around removing poorly used AI generated content, and I'm pretty sure they'd remove the image in question, but I can't find any Wikipedia "rule" regarding images that were fully generated using AI. Only info I could find is about AI upscaled images, and this clearly isn't an AI upscaled image. Broadhead Arrow (talk) 14:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

It wouldn't be the mere fact that it is an AI generated image that is the issue, but that the image is original research- in essence the opinion of the algorithm as to what the individual would look like.

Ive actually nominated File:1OhitRcopyright.jpg for deletion from Commons as it isn't a free image, because the uploader says they reserve all rights to it. 331dot (talk) 14:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

There's a similar claim at File:KingHarishchandra.jpg which to be honest doesn't look hugely different from the image here albeit with a blue background. -- D'n'B-t -- 15:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Broadhead Arrow I don't think we have anything clearly written, see for example Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Images#WP:USERG_portraits. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Timeline of Indian history

Does anyone know of a script that will remove table formatting and convert it to a simple list? I've been contacted via the mentorship module about this article, and, well, it's immediately obvious why my mentee is experiencing difficulty.

If there isn't one, which I suspect is the case, if anyone here has the time and inclination to reformat this article, that would be a worthy endeavour. Disclosure: I did post about it on WP:INDIA before it occurred to me to ask here about a userscript. -- asilvering (talk) 20:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Watch list showing everything

Has anyone else had the problem where all the watchlist settings (All, pages, talk, and other) all show all the same info?

Mine has started doing this several days ago. Thus, info on my watchlist pages is buried in a mass of Teahouse and talk entries. Bluenose Gunner (talk) 01:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Bluenose Gunner! Is the box for "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" checked in advanced options under the Watchlist tab in your Preferences? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 01:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. No. Ot is not. Any suggestions? Bluenose Gunner (talk) 03:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you on the mobile site, or desktop? When I go to the mobile version, my watchlist shows every edit as its own entry. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Good morning.

Thank you for your comment. I am on a mobile device.

Previously, when I was in the watchlist Page tab I saw simply the changes made to pages on my watchlist. I had to go to another tab to see Teahouse and Talk comments.

Now, everything shows up regardless of which tab I am in. Bluenose Gunner (talk) 12:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, the https://en.m.wikipedia.org watchlist does that for me too for all pages/talk/other sections. No idea how long it's been going on. If you switch the desktop view (there's a button on the bottom of the page) is that a workable fix for you? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 20:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Bare reference notices with dead links

Hello,

I do backlog cleaning, and there are many articles that are tagged with using bare references, but all of the bare references are are dead links with no archived copy. What I have done in the past is mark the link as dead, and removed the bare reference notice. Is this the correct practice?

Thanks! EatingCarBatteries (talk) 15:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, EatingCarBatteries. Many people assume a link is dead when it may in fact have simply had its url changed by the website owner. So long as you are aware of this and attempt to 'Google' the relevant keywords that are likely to be found in the cited article's title (based upon the factual statement being referenced), then this seems an appropriate way to go. But I do see many people who assume a source cannot be found when, in fact, with a bit of effort and technical ability, a new source can be located for some of them. More info at Wikipedia:Link rot and Wikipedia:DEADREF. Hope this helps. Others here may have a different approach to suggest, of course! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Nick Moyes. It is far better to search for and add a reliable source than to remove plausible content just because a URL is dead. Cullen328 (talk) 20:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@EatingCarBatteries, just in case you weren't aware, since it looks to me like you're working on this task manually, there are some extensions that make finding archives much easier, such as this Chrome extension. There's also IABot and citation bot. -- asilvering (talk) 19:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I do commonly use those but I do alot of the ones which the bots can't pick up. EatingCarBatteries (talk) 22:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Updating an existing entry

At my boss' request, I am trying to update his entry in Wikipedia. I'm not even sure where to start as I tried adding a paragraph and it wasn't posted. THumphreySFE (talk) 20:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@THumphreySFE: Please read Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 20:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@THumphreySFE: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1223. Additionally, if you plan to continue contributing to the article on your boss, you are expected to disclose your paid relationship, usually on your user page at User:THumphreySFE. You should also not directly edit the article, and instead use the talk page (Talk:Dave Sullivan (American football)) to submit edit requests. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

thank you. I'll try that. THumphreySFE (talk) 22:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, THumphreySFE. I'm sorry you have been given such a difficult task (I'm sure neither of you realised how difficult). The thing to note is that your addition was wholly unsourced - that's why it was removed.

Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Your knowledge of his career - and even his own knowledge of his career - may not be put into a Wikipedia article unless there is a reliably published source which backs up what is said - and it is your responsibility to find that source. Moreover, unless it is uncontroversial factualy information like dates and locations, it needs to be supported by a source wholly unconnected with Sullivan or the Browns.

If you make an edit request to add unsourced material, it is likely to be refused. ColinFine (talk) 23:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Aneta Corsaut Pic Update

I’m not tech savvy but I am a fan of The Andy Griffith Show. Can someone please update the main picture of Aneta Corsaut on her page? The current picture of her is TERRIBLE and not from The Andy Griffith Show, but from its short-run spinoff, Mayberry RFD. She does not look like herself AT ALL in that picture or like her character Helen Crump from The Andy Griffith Show. It’s almost like someone purposely picked the worst picture of her ever. I’m hoping someone can make it right and pick a picture where she actually looks like her normal self from The Andy Griffith Show. The picture on Rotten Tomatoes is great and she actually looks like herself and her most well-known character, Helen Crump. TIA

Aneta Corsaut Page KatAmalia (talk) 20:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KatAmalia. The problem, as usual with images, is finding one whose copyright status is acceptable. That one, File:Aneta Corsaut Mayberry RFD 1969 (cropped).jpg, says it is public domain because it was published in the US without a copyright notice before 1977. But in most places, and in the US since 1977, copyright is automatic, so images have to be explicitly released (either to the public domain or under a licence such as WP:CC-BY-SA in order to be uploaded to Commons.

Having said that, Wikipedia does allow non-free images as long as their use complies with all the criteria in WP:NFCC.

However, no 1 of those criteria is Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Since the current image is free (public domain) in order to use any non-free image in that article, you would have to argue that this image does not serve the same encyclopaedic purpose as the one you wanted to use - and I think you would find this hard.

So, in order to replace the image, somebody would need to

Either find a free image of her, and upload it to Commons, or
Find a non-free image, and upload it to Wikipedia, justifying this by arguing successfully that it served an encyclopaedic purpose that the current image does not. (And all the other non-free criteria as well).

I think it is unlikely that anybody else is going to be willing to do this - you're the one that wants it. I also think it's unlikely to be successful - but I could be wrong. Perhaps there's another pre-1977 picture which did not claim copyright that can be used, or even an image that for some reason the copyright holder released (perhaps a fan snapped her at some event and has put the picture up on flickr under a suitable licence).

But I think you are going to have to do the leg-work of looking for a suitable picture. ColinFine (talk) 20:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this to me. Lots of parameters for images on Wikipedia that I never knew existed! I will be working on finding a more suitable picture within those guidelines in order to get the page updated. Again, thank you for the info! 2001:5B0:210B:9838:64F7:6BE7:CE7C:EB35 (talk) 00:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Brisbane South State Secondary College

How can I get help with creating a draft for an article? I really think this article needs to exist, but I don't have the time and resources to create it on my own.

I need as much help as I can get with creating Draft:Brisbane South State Secondary College.

I think this article needs to exist due to the fact that it is the newest and most modern state school in South East Queensland (from what I'm aware, atleast), and there isn't an article for the school yet, while there is for most of the other state schools in South East Queensland.

It has also received many awards and is the most modern state school I've seen in Australia.

It would really help if other editors would be able to help me build this draft! You don't need to ask me, feel free to simply just build upon the draft! Zion @InformZion (talk) 00:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@InformZion: You need to find sources that are independent of the school that will show it meets WP:NSCHOOL. All the references so far are from the school itself. If it is a new school, then maybe WP:TOOSOON applies. RudolfRed (talk) 01:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Teahouise Hosts are here to advise, but not to be co-authors or reference finders. David notMD (talk) 02:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

InformZion, an acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what published sources that are entirely independent of the topic say about the topic. And yet the references in your draft are all affiliated directly with the Brisbane South State Secondary College. You are the one motivated to write about this topic, and presumably, you are more familiar with the reliable local media outlets in your area than the vast majority of Wikipedia editors from the US, the UK, Canada and New Zealand and other English speaking areas worldwide. Am I right? What is so interesting and unique about this article about an educational institution in an Australian state capital that would draw in editors from all over the world to help you? Cullen328 (talk) 07:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

how to edit

i am not logged in how to do 124.150.64.100 (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds to me like that you want to edit an article that is protected from editing by IP users/new accounts; you should be able to use the article talk page to propose edits to the article for an editor with the appropriate credentials to make. For example, the talk page for Joe Biden is at Talk:Joe Biden. 331dot (talk) 08:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Can a source be removed, because there is no free access to it?

Can sources be cited to publications/newspapers which do not have free access. Should these sources be removed? Some of the sources were removed for citations from the Hindu newspaper, so need a clarification. Thanks! Davidindia (talk) 07:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:PAYWALL says no they should not be- but they're not preferred since it's hard to verify for the average editor. But could you imagine Wikipedia if none of us could cite books, or the New York Times, or archival documents?

We also don't delete sources just because the link goes dead- we just try to find a new reference that supports the material unless there's some other reason to take it out. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 07:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Davidindia. There is no restriction on using reliable sources hidden behind paywalls. Some of our most widely cited reliable sources are behind paywalls. Some that come immediately to mind are the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal for a more conservative take, and the Washington Post The Los Angeles Times is especially important for major show business topics. As should be obvious, I am an American. Verifiability does not require free and easy access to sources. It requires only that the sources be accessible with reasonable effort, which might require travel to a specialized library or subscription to a paywalled source. Cullen328 (talk) 07:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

HI Cullen328, thanks a lot! Davidindia (talk) 08:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Can I Claim My Old Edits

I have edited Wikipedia for a while, and I made a few changes before I made an account. Is there any way I can claim those edits, or not? IHaveNoIdea25 (talk) 08:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no way to merge account edit histories; the only thing you can do is write on your user page that you used a prior account(example, "Hi I am IHaveNoIdea25, I previously used the account User1234") 331dot (talk) 09:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Your user page is User:IHaveNoIdea25. Since you were not logged in, you can link the IP address, e.g. "See Special:Contributions/24.126.165.174 for my edits before creating an account." You may have used multiple IP addresses. They will be in the page history of the pages you edited. Some users with privacy concerns don't want their IP address to be known. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Publishing an article of which the name is currently a redirect.

I am almost finished writing a draft on the autistic trait of special interests, and currently "special interest" is a redirect to special interest groups. Is it okay for me to turn the redirect into a disabiguation page? Do I need to discuss this on a talk page first? I understand that special interest groups are the primary topic here but am still unsure how to proceed. Thank you a lot for any help! -- NotCharizard ^🗨 09:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Notcharizard. If there are only two articles and one of them is a primary topic then we usually don't make a disambiguation page but just a hatnote on the primary topic. Special interest redirects to Special interest group which already has the hatnote

{{Redirect|Special interest|restricted interests in autism and similar conditions|Autism spectrum#Features and characteristics}}

. Just change that to target whatever the new article is called. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

So it would be okay to make "special interest" no longer redirect to "special interest groups"? Sorry, I just don't want to get into any trouble with anyone. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 10:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: I mean to make a new target in the hatnote, e.g. {{Redirect|Special interest|restricted interests in autism and similar conditions|Special interest (autism)}} to produce:

You are free to reword "restricted interests in autism and similar conditions". PrimeHunter (talk) 10:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Kenya settlements

So I was on suggested edits, and as someone who wants to improve Africa articles, I naturally selected Africa as my sole option along with finding references for Africa. Well, I’ve done this for like 1 month and something that really bugs me is the amount of Kenya settlements without any real info. It’s like, “This article does not cite any sources. April 2006.” And the text is just “Example is a Kenyan settlement.” I really think there should be a way to mass delete this articles. Out of 5 i searched up, 4/5 turned up no good results. 48JCL talk 01:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @48JCL and welcome to the Teahouse! I believe you're looking for a group nomination at AfD. There are instructions at WP:MULTIAFD. Best, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 02:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The notability criteria for settlements states "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable" which does result in a lot of very small articles on very small settlements (not just in Kenya or just in Africa). This bugs me too. A "mass deletion" would probably require a tweak to those criteria which would require a community consensus. -- D'n'B-t -- 07:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes but all of these articles have no citations 48JCL talk 11:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I believe that early in Wikipedia's development, the notability criterion quoted above by DandelionAndBurdock having been agreed on by consensus, very many place entries were first created automatically by uploading date from online gazetteers. It would be good if editors had gone through all of them and added information and citations to further appropriate sources, as I am sure has already been done for many, but given the numbers completing this is a considerable task.

Deleting all such entries instead would be one approach, but it would, as said, require consensus to be reached first. My own view is that it would be contrary to the Project's broad aims, and adding further information rather than deleting sparse entries, though more difficult, should be preferred. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.175.176 (talk) 12:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Being currently uncited is not, currently, a critereon for deletion. I do see the concern, and I've got some idea of how I would approach it - but I think that might need to be discussed in a different venue than the Teahouse. -- D'n'B-t -- 12:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Not notable enough however 48JCL talk 13:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Currently, according the existing notability guidelines, they are notable enough. I think WP:VPP would be one of the more appropriate places to float changing that. -- D'n'B-t -- 13:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

How to suggest a new "page" or "article" for Wikipedia?

A distinguished physician from New York will turn age 100 in the next few weeks. Several persons who have known and worked with him over many decades have assembled a "page" or "article" of the length approximating what appears in Wikipedia for persons of similar professional status and importance. Where do we submit this for consideration by your editors? GHDeFriese (talk) 01:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, GHDeFriese. Your project presents significant problems regarding copyright. Wikipedia keeps an archive of every edit, including all edits to drafts and articles. Each editor agrees to freely license their copyrighted work with each edit they make. How can we know which specific person wrote each of the words, phrases and sentences in your draft? How do we know that all those people freely licensed their writing? Another issue is whether or not this physician is a Notable person. Being distinguished and 100 years old is not enough. Cullen328 (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I think one could reasonably respond to the "How can we know which specific person ... ?" question above with "We can't, just as we can't for most edits to Wikipedia." Unusually, your user page tells us who you are---but the skeptically inclined could object that no, it describes a person in the real world, but this person may be a fiction. Entire featured articles can be, and sometimes are, constructed anonymously. (However there are indeed other problems with this proposal.) 126.254.171.63 (talk) 04:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Edits from IP addresses are attributed to those IP addresses. IP editors agree to the free licensing and terms of the attribution when they click "Publish". That is standard and commonplace. But a draft that has been written off-Wikipedia by several people who have not freely licensed their work presents problems. Cullen328 (talk) 05:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Aside from the issue of attribution, a compliation of personal anecdotes would not add up to an encyclopedia article. This sounds more like, letter to the editor type content that a local newspaper would be interested in. -- D'n'B-t -- 08:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, GHDeFriese, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that D'n'B's point is the one that first occurs to me: Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

GHDeFriese There's something else you need to know. Should these several people manage to submit something that could be accepted as an article in Wikipedia, that article would then be open to being edited by anybody at all. And if those edits are relevant and well-supported in reliable, independent sources, there's nothing these several people can do to stop them. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Citing

Do I need to use English or other language for citing? Bobbipedia (talk) 13:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bobbipedia, welcome to the Teahouse. All articles on the English Wikipedia must be written in English, but the sources you use to reference your edits can be of any language. Qcne (talk) 14:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bobbipedia: See WP:NONENG. Bazza 7 (talk) 14:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

How do I make story on some one on Wikipedia?

mo 96.87.138.205 (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1223. Wikipedia is a site for encyclopedic articles, not stories. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

If you want to write an article about someone notable, please see WP:YFA and WP:BLP. We usually suggest you get some experience editing existing articles before you start a new one. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox scientist

i am creating a page (new user), using infox scientist template. i don't know how to upload the image i have into the image part of the template. ?

Draft:J Robin Moon Ihyen2024 (talk) 01:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ihyen2024: You can use Wikipedia:File upload wizard to upload the image to commons and then put the image name into the image parameter of the template. Since images are optional, I suggest focus on the content of the draft first, and then images can be added. RudolfRed (talk) 02:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

thank you!

i did upload to commons. but don't seem to know how to work the image parameter - there's no button to upload into that parameter box. but i appreciate your suggestion to do this later 2600:1700:5B20:8210:B410:1414:12B4:3189 (talk) 02:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Images do not contribute to establishing Wikipedia notability. Get your draft article (not 'page') approved first, and then worry about adding an image. David notMD (talk) 02:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ihyen2024: the image you uploaded, File:Robin-Moon.jpg, will be deleted soon for missing permission. "Source owner shared with me" is not going to be enough. To provide proof of the license you need to have the copyright owner (who is usually the photographer, not the subject) send a c:COM:VRT permission (you can use c:Commons:Wikimedia VRT release generator to make it easier). MKFI (talk) 11:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ihyen2024. In addition to what's been posted above about the licensing of the file you uploaded, please understand that the copyright of a photo, in principle, belongs to the photographer taking the photo and not the subject of photo; so, if Robin Moon didn't somehow take this photo herself (which kind of looks to be the case), then her permission is irrelevant to Commons. What's needed in such a case is the permission of the person who took the photo. So, you should try to find out from her who took the photo, and ask her to have that person (if she's also not the photographer) to email their c:COM:CONSENT to Wikimedia VRT. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Much appreciated 2600:1700:5B20:8210:2DC6:4C0:26A9:D709 (talk) 15:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Link in a different language?

Hello. Recently I was attempting to use a tool here at WP to help resize an image. But when I clicked on it in WP:IMAGERES here: this tool it is actually in a foreign language. Did I redirect by mistake? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 13:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maineartists There's a bit of history to the situation. Basically the original resize tool ("image-resize-calc") was made by User:Jbarta, but they left Wikipedia in 2014 and the tool fell into disrepair (going directly to its Toolforge link gives a 503 error). User:Wcam forked the tool for his bot on zh-wiki and also made a web interface, which is what you're accessing here. In this discussion, Wcam suggested using either this archived version of Jbarta's tool or another remake of it which unfortunately seems to have also been disabled by now. I'll add the archive version to WP:IMAGERES so that other's don't get confused in the future. Liu1126 (talk) 15:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

One can (relatively) easily recreate such a tool using its source code, which is available through the browser's 'view source' functionality on the archived Jbarta's tool. Wcam (talk) 16:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Book citation

I am citing a book that I am reading thanks to the internet archive, how can I put the link in my cite book citation ? I tryied using "|link=" but it doesn't seem to work... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fusajiro_Yamauchi&oldid=1222555575 Maxime12346 (talk) 16:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

If it is just a printed book that you are just reading online, you don't need to provide a weblink. 331dot (talk) 16:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maxime12346 For future reference, as {{cite book}} says, the correct parameter is |url= not |link=. There is some benefit in providing the link for the convenience of readers, provided it doesn't infringe the copyright of the book's author. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

First article

Hello all,

I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and have mostly been making small edits to pages here and there, but I am planning on starting a new article about a South African poem that doesn't have much of an online presence. Do you have any advice for starting my first page? Anything I should avoid?

Thanks a lot! Roosterchz (talk) 13:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Roosterchz. I would recommend that first time article creators go through the Articles for Creation process which would allow you to get feedback from experienced editors when you submit draft articles for review.

My key advice is to ensure that the poem is notable. Read carefully our notability guidelines. Only topics that have significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable published sources can meet that notability criteria - so if the poem does not have much of an online presence it might not be notable. However, sources do not have to be online and you can reference offline texts and books and such.

A lower barrier of entry might be to make an article on the poet? It's generally easier to find good sources that satisfy the notability policy for people vs general topics.

In any case, if you do go down the AfC route let me know and I can review when you decide to submit it. Qcne (talk) 14:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey there Qcne, thanks for the timely response.

The poet already has an article (un)fortunately, his name is Guy Butler, I found the poem on page 320 of a book on South African writings.

Do you think this source is acceptable? Also, do you think the poem would be relevant enough with this added context?

Here is an amazon link to the book:

[12]https://www.amazon.com/Captured-Time-Centuries-African-Writing/dp/1868423786 Roosterchz (talk) 17:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You can certainly cite a book, and that book looks reasonable enough as long as it provides significant coverage of the poem i.e. analysis, commentary, discussion, debate - not just printing the poem without any further context.

We would require more than one source, however, to establish notability for the poem. Three is our usual minimum. So three sources that are independent of one another, and that each provide significant coverage of the poem and discuss it in some way. Qcne (talk) 17:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try to find a few other sources.

The book does indeed offer analysis on it, I think there is a brief discussion on JSTOR as well.

Another question is, what would be an appropriate length for an article on a subject such as this?

Thanks again mate.

-Roosterchz Roosterchz (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The length entirely depends on the sources you can find. The content of a Wikipedia article is the paraphrasing or summarisation of those independent reliable sources, so if the source is long and in-depth, it's logical the article will be too.

We do have articles called WP:STUBS which are so short they don't provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject. It's rare for stubs to come through the AfC pipeline, and when they do I only accept them if it is very obvious they meet the notability requirements either through inherent notability (poems, unfortunately, don't have inherent notability) or the sources are really strong. Qcne (talk) 17:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Move from the workshop to Atar Meiner

Hello, could you move this article from my workshop to this New article Atar Meiner. Please --GiladSeg (talk) 04:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@GiladSeg: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1223. If you think it's ready for mainspace, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page so that a reviewer can look at it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I think I did it, is it expected too much or not?--GiladSeg (talk) 05:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, GiladSeg, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, you have not yet submitted it for review. I have added a header to it with a button to help you do so. ColinFine (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank You for Inviting me to the Tee House!

I have trying to create a new article in Sandbox, with the relevant news and article, however this gets rejected again and again. I am very careful while using the source, reference and links. Also, these are very neutral articles. Kingofports (talk) 05:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kingofports Welcome to the Teahouse! Taking User:Kingofports/sandbox as an example. You need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL has guidance on that. "Mr. Tanti is an Indian businessman known for his contributions to the renewable energy sector, particularly in wind energy. He is recognized for his leadership role in Suzlon Energy, a prominent renewable energy company in India." is slightly WP:PUFFERY, and uncited. And we don't write Mr. in our articles, unless quoting.

But your first and most important hurdle is WP:NOTABILITY. You need independent WP:RS, the company website is only good for some WP:ABOUTSELF. And the Energy World makes me wonder if WP:NEWSORGINDIA is an issue here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You have created three drafts. Two, each with only one sentence, have been Declined (Draft:Girish Tanti and Draft:Karan Adani), and the Sandbox Declined and then Rejected. None or these have any references to support these people being notable in the Wikiupedia sense of the word. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kingofports. Writing an article starts with finding sources that are reliable, independent, and contain significant coverage of the subject (see WP:42 for more detail). If you cannot find several such sources, then you will know that there is no point spending any more time on this subject, because it will not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 19:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

editiors are accusing me of vandalism

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § editiors are accusing me of vandalism

i added pictures to ipad models and then i am getting accused of vandalism by @Wiiformii and @Joyous! @JeffSpaceman which is clearly not true since i tried to make the articles better and not ruin them 149.202.98.184 (talk) 21:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a discussion currently ongoing on the user's talk page. Joyous! Noise! 22:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Changing an article from stub to start

Hello! Over the past few months I've been improving articles related to RTD's light rail stations almost all of which are stubs. On the I-25 & Broadway station page, I've added sections about history and public art, added more text and a diagram to the station layout section, and in the infobox I've added a map insert as well as updating ridership data from 2014 to the most recent I could find online (2019). While the article still has a long way to go, I believe it should be upgraded from stub class to start class. However, as I've never changed an article's class, I'd love to hear the opinions of more experienced editors. FoamingInDenver (talk) 22:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FoamingInDenver. According to WP:STUB, Once a stub has been properly expanded and becomes a larger article, any editor may remove its stub template. No administrator action or formal permission is needed. You have significantly expanded that article, so I upgraded it to Start. Cullen328 (talk) 22:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions, FoamingInDenver. I agree with you that I don't like to assess articles that I have worked on; I just cannot be objective about them. It is certainly acceptable to do it yourself, but I think that asking for somebody else to cast an eye over it is a great idea. Another place you might consider is at WikiProject Trains, because this article falls inside their scope.--Gronk Oz (talk) 23:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Comments on talk page

How's this fair to remove someone's comments from the talk section? [13] While I know that a user is free to remove and drafting any comments from their talk pages, but any user can misuse it by just saying false accusations. Moreover the user has removed my comment from other user talk page [14]. Jonharojjashi (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jonharojjashi.

Policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages. You both seem to be involved in a content dispute, and I would recommend assuming good faith and following the guidelines at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Qcne (talk) 17:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jonharojjashi: To add to the above, unless the revisions in particular are deleted, they can be accessed by going through the page's history. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply @Qcne and @Tenryuu, I know that they are free to remove any comments from their own talk page, but they have also tried to remove my comment from another user's talk page [15], felt more like a dictatorship but it's sorted now. Jonharojjashi (talk) 01:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Image licensing released, next steps?

Hello all, Dank referred me here and said you may be able to help. Trying to get Hypericum sechmenii as TFA at the moment, and have just had a breakthrough in getting a freely licensed image for the run. I've been reaching out to different field researchers who may have images for several years, and for the first time I got a response. Not only did he release the one I was hoping for, but sent me several never-before-seen images as well! He said he would love to have them in the article, as long as he and his fellow colleagues are attributed. However, I don't want to link to the conversation on ResearchGate, because my personal info is attached to it. How should I go about affirming that these images have been released for upload on commons/wikipedia? Fritzmann (message me) 21:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Fritzmann2002 and welcome to the Teahouse! WP:DCM may be of help? Particularly the section WP:DONATEIMAGE. I believe the researcher who took the photo will have to do some emailing. I hope this is of some help. Best, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 05:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Two anon users are reverting my changes to List of gay villages and deleting my discussion on the Talk page.

Hi! For the page "List of Gay Villages," anon users keep adding the "East Village of Des Moines, Iowa" onto the list. However, this is not a "Gay Village." For their citation they use a website that has outdated information and doesn't even refer to the neighborhood as a Gay Village. I remove it from the list but two anon users keep adding it back. Also, I started a discussion on the Talk page but they either A) Delete my discussion or B) Edit my discussion so what I say is in their favor.

What do I do? Harryhay69 (talk) 03:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You have done the right thing is starting (and restoring) the talk page thread. I have commented in the talk page thread, and warned both IPs. It is completely unacceptable to erase or rewrite another user's constructive talk page thread. Meters (talk) 04:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Don't continue to remove the article content. It is a recent addition that has been contested and thus should stay out until (if) consensus it reached to include it, so i have removed it again, but you should not continue removing it yourself. See WP:EW Meters (talk) 04:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I see, thank you for your help. So it shouldn’t be added until proper consensus is reached. I’ve never edited on here before so I’m still learning- thank you! Harryhay69 (talk) 04:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Harryhay69. The WP:ONUS, generally, falls on the person wanting to add content to an article, and it's, therefore, up to them to establish a consensus to do so in accordance with WP:DISPUTERESOLUTION when others disagree. Although Wikipedia wants us to be WP:BOLD when trying to improve articles and usually it's OK to assume WP:SILENCE if nobody challenges an edit that has been made, the back-and-forth adding/removing of disputed content is not acceptable and is considered to be disruptive absent any clearly sound policy- or guideline-based argument for doing so (e.g. some serious violation of a main Wikipedia policy). So, no matter how right you think you may be, you still run the risk of being sanctioned if you make too many reverts. Let the discussion play out; if a consensus is established in favor of not including the disputed content, it will be removed. If it continues to be re-added after that, you can then seek assistance from an administrator at WP:AN3 or WP:AN. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't add topics to some talk pages

Some talk pages, like Talk:National African Religion Congress and Talk:List of cities in Maharashtra by population don't have an "add topic" button on the talk page. Why is this and how do I fix this? IndianEmperor7 (talk) 02:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Go to the lowermost topic. Click to edit it. Leave it as it is, but on a line below it, add '== [topic title] ==', hit Enter, and start your msg. 126.254.231.65 (talk)

What if there's no topic on the talk page? IndianEmperor7 (talk) 04:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi IndianEmperor7. You can also go to the very top of the page and click on "New section". -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How do I do it on mobile? IndianEmperor7 (talk) 10:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The mobile version/app in my opinion is great for reading, not so much for editing(though it is possible to edit from it and some users may know some tips) as it is not fully functional. When I am on a device I use the full desktop version in a browser. 331dot (talk) 10:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

need to add my biography to wikipedia

Hello. I recently wrote a draft of my autobiography in which I use AI on my behalf to help me keep it neutral and positive. My bio includes areas that I have covered from a scientific perspective in the past without entering into a discussion in which I express my views on areas that are not yet explained by science but without entering the realm of conspiracy theory. I am an underground autodidact, I attended colleges and universities but refused to graduate and maintained a GPA below 3.6 for political reasons. I need special help in this regard. I'm still learning all of Wikipedia's parameter languages so I can contribute by writing and posting articles of interest. Thank you have a great day. Mario Liek Serna (talk) 23:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not the place to tell about yourself; Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources choose to say about a topic. That is usually very difficult for people to do about themselves here, because people naturally write favorably about themselves(or in this case, use AI to). Please also be aware that an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. There are good reasons to not want one. If you truly meet the criteria for an article, someone will eventually take note of coverage of you and choose to write about you on their own(and without the aid of an AI which presents copyright issues). My advice is that you go on about your life as if Wikipedia didn't exist, and use social media to publish your autobiography. 331dot (talk) 23:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mario Liek Serna. Just curious as to why you need to add your biography to Wikipedia. What's going to happen if you don't? Do you perhaps see Wikipedia as a good way to promote yourself, enhance your online presence or otherwise increase your credibility in your chosen field? If you do, then please take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Alternative outlets in addition to the pages linked to above by 331dot. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mario Liek Serna Your two efforts have been Speedy Deleted, leaving no View history of what you wrote except as viewed by Administrators. Wikipedia does not allow original research, as in "...I express my views on areas that are not yet explained by science...". There are other ways to contribute to Wikipedia. Most new editors find success through efforts to improve existing articles, either by adding facts along with valid references, or correcting errors, again with valid references. David notMD (talk) 12:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

References

How do I add references to get my article approved for a band project I have been working on FarisMuhtaseb (talk) 07:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FarisMuhtaseb, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that, like most people who try to create an article before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works, you have written your article BACKWARDS. Your question is like "I have built this house, but I don't know anything about housebuilding. How do I stop it falling down?"

My earnest advice, as I give to all new editors, is to forget completely about creating a new article for several months, while you learn how Wikipedia works by making hundreds of valuable edits to existing articles, and learning about core principles such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view and notability. Then you can read your first article, and give it a go.

Also, please disclose whether you have a connection with The Jack Knives, as there are restrictions on editing with a conflict of interest, and note that promotion of any sort is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 08:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

FarisMuhtaseb You User page now has a COI declaration (good). Should that be PAID, instead? If so, change it. As for Draft:The Jack Knives, see WP:NMUSIC and Help:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

MediaWiki - So confused

On testwiki and some other wikis unrelated to Wikimedia, I've been seeing a new talk page design. Why is this not enabled here? And why are there comments on MediaWiki? Is this exclusive to MediaWiki and not Wikimedia projects? Thanks. LOLHWAT (talk) 16:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@LOLHWAT: It's not unusual for such changes to be rolled out incrementally, starting with a few smaller projects. See m:Tech/News/2024/19 for details of this particular change. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I know this isn't Wikipedia related, however it is Wiki related. PLEASE HELP!

So I uploaded a file to Wikimedia without properly understanding how to cite the copyright holder. It is a screenshot (that I took) of a video game (Yakuza 3), and so it falls SEGA's domain. I would appreciate what to do, as I don't know how to cite SEGA without re-uploading. Here is the file: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiryu_Kazuma_Yakuza_3.png Also: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Roosterchz If anyone could help, I'd appreciate it. -Roosterchz Roosterchz (talk) 21:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You should address any issues you have on Commons, on Commons. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Could you provide a link to where I could ask such a question? Roosterchz (talk) 21:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You could ask at c:Commons:Help desk or one of the c:Commons:Village pumps. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks mate! Appreciate it. Roosterchz (talk) 21:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Roosterchz: You might, however, want to take a look at c:Commons:Screenshots first because you citing "Sega" matters not unless you can show that the game the screenshots come from have been released by Sega in accordance with c:Commons:Licensing. In other words, Commons will not host screenshots taken from copyrighted software unless the software's creator or copyright holder has either (1) released the software under an acceptable free license for Commons or (2) has given their c:COM:CONSENT for the screenshot to be uploaded and used. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Roosterchz, the bottom line is that you cannot upload any copyright protected files to Wikimedia Commons. There are no exceptions. As for the use of non-free images on English Wikipedia, please see WP:NFCI. The policy is stringent. Cullen328 (talk) 21:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I get it now.

This isn't worth the effort anymore, sorry for wasting your guys' time. I'll be more careful in the future. Roosterchz (talk) 21:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Not a waste, Roosterchz. Everybody learns by making honest mistakes and having them corrected, and by asking questions as you've done here – it's what the Teahouse is for! Other folks who read this thread may also learn something new to them. Happy future editing! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.175.176 (talk) 09:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reassuring words! Roosterchz (talk) 17:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

When in doubt, ask for help. Cwater1 (talk) 14:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Indeed Roosterchz (talk) 17:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Oops, messed up at the Village Pump ... now what?

Earlier today I posted a proposal at the Village Pump but being a newbie there, I didn't realize till much later that I put it in the wrong section. I didn't even know at the time that there were different sections at the VP. Now I do, and I'd like to move my proposal to the right section, the one eponymously called Proposals. But I can't find it anywhere. According to my Contributions listing, it's in the WMF section, but it isn't. Help, please!

The reason I posted my proposal in the wrong section was simply because WMF must have been where I landed when I first came to the VP and I saw another proposal there at the time. Sorry. On a learning curve.

Augnablik (talk) 09:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik Seems to be there now:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#Proposal:_"job_aids"_for_Wiki_editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If so, then why can’t I see it? I’ve refreshed WMF several times but no luck. Augnablik (talk) 10:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mystery to me. Try WP:BYPASS? Change browser? Fwiw, you can probably see this:[16] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mystery solved. I can see the post now, Thanks. Augnablik (talk) 18:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Can Teahouse entries be automatically updated?

I notice that replies to Teahouse questions show up in e-mail messages, if we’ve requested that service from Wikipedia, but not if we return to the Teahouse without refreshing its browser address.

I’d like to have automatic updating done. Is there a way? Augnablik (talk) 06:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Augnablik. I don't think Wikipedia does any sort of "push" updating. If you're on a computer, most browsers let you refresh by pressing F5. ColinFine (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Aha! Thanks. Are there any other Fkeys that work with Wikipedia? Augnablik (talk) 11:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello again. I don't know what you mean by "work with Wikipedia". Most browsers recognise F5 as a Refresh, but that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. There are summaries of what function keys do in various systems in the (seriously undersourced) article Function key. ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Interesting! It’s been a long time since I’ve used function keys for anything on my Macintosh. I know they’re there, but sort of like decorations.

F5 didn’t refresh for me, but maybe Safari doesn’t recognize it whereas Chrome would. Augnablik (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I Need Help

Hello Friends, I was hoping to gain some understanding of how to help in relation to a very pressing issue pertaining to the coat of arms. 47.41.65.240 (talk) 18:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The Teahouse only really pertains to editing Wikipedia. If you have a question about editing Wikipedia you can ask it here, but if your question is about heraldry then maybe the reference desk would be a better place to ask. (As much as I am curious about how an issue pertaining to a coat of arms could possibly be 'pressing'). -- D'n'B-t -- 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

help object a change before it assumed Consensus

I have noticed couple of inaccuracy I would like to address in Wikipedia however I am not a register user and the inaccuracy is inside restricted page.

can someone please help me understand what are my next steps if I wish to challenge an edit before its becoming consensus automatically?

(since "Consensus can be assumed if no editors object to a change")

I have tried to Propose a specific change on a talk page. Didn't made add an edit request template yet.

selfstudd has deleted my attempt at challenging the consensus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:State_of_Palestine#A_%22Country%22

my proposed change in this debate: this article should take example form how the Vatican is defined in Wikipedia and there are links the relevant legal definitions articles which address the complex legal status of the disputed territories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City it seams to me that the current phrasing who deliberately omitting the legality issues of the occupied Palestinians territories (for example like in the rename of "occupied Palestinian territory " to Palestinian_territories") and part of larger attempt at de-legitimize Israeli right to exist.

change: is a country in the Southern Levant region of West Asia. It comprises two disconnected regions – the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It shares borders with Israel to the north, west, and south, Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest. to: is a nation / state in the Southern Levant region of West Asia. It comprises two disconnected regions – the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. It shares borders with Israel to the north, west, and south, Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest ^{[citation needed]} 79.176.174.2 (talk) 18:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has designated some topics as being so controversial that edits and discussions about them need to be restricted to users who have demonstrated that they have significant experience on Wikipedia (500+ edits and holding an account for 30+ days). The Arab-Israeli conflict is one of those topics. This means that you cannot make changes to that article, nor participate in discussions related to it; you can only make edit requests on the talk page of the article. Even then, edit requests are for uncontroversial changes only, which your proposed change is not – this means you cannot propose this change at all right now. You are more than welcome to create an account and participate in editing other less controversial topics until you meet the requirements to propose such changes. Tollens (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Trying to shorten yet provide access to a long list of publications & other material

I'm working on an article about a prolific author with a LOT of published books and articles, as well as awards, podcasts, recorded interviews, etc. I know it would be anathema to weigh down a Wiki article with such a long list, especially because not everything on the list will be cited in my article. But I want interested readers to be able to access them. So, my questions:

Do I understand correctly that it's okay to provide a link to a complete list at an outside website? (which I'd divide into categories for ease of reading)
If so, are there any restrictions on the type of website, since the link will lead outside Wikipedia? Like, for instance, could the outside website not be one run by a 3rd party (perhaps even the author's own website)?

(No, the article I'm working on is not in my sandbox.) Augnablik (talk) 12:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Two approaches: Include in article Robert Bly or have a Selected works in an article and a separate bibliography article Mark Twain bibliography. David notMD (talk) 12:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD: I'm intrigued by the second of the two approaches you're suggesting, creating a separate article within Wikipedia just for the author's published works and other materials. I never knew this sort of thing was an option. Is it very common in Wikipedia? But to be honest, I'm not sure I favor the idea because it would create what I'll call "Wiki clutter," for want of a better term.

Your first approach is one I wouldn't think Wikipedia would want, a pretty hefty list of publications only a few of which were cited in the article about the author.

What did you think about my question asking if I could create — in addition to a list of references I use within the article — a link to an outside website where the author's entire oeuvre could appear? (and would there be any restrictions on the type of website)? Augnablik (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you can: see WP:ELYES. But note that the site must be "neutral and accurate". Commercial sites (those that exist for the purpose of selling things) should not normally be linked. ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Another example: Kurt Vonnegut and Kurt Vonnegut bibliography. The main article still has an extensive (complete?) list, the bibliography has a bit more information about each item. For an EXTREME example, Isaac Asimov lists much of his work and there are five (!!) bibliography articles. David notMD (talk) 17:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yikes, David notMD ... that is indeed an "EXTREME example."

I understand from your feedback that I could create a secondary Wiki article to house the complete list of this author's publications, but I just don't feel comfortable with it. It feels somewhat disjointed to me to have secondary articles just to catch publication overflow. And artificial. But I appreciate your comments. Augnablik (talk) 22:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

ColinFine, thank you ... so often you come up with very useful information in response to my help requests. I went to WP:ELYES and under "What can normally be linked," item 1, I found that "Wikipedia articles about any organization, person (boldface mine), website, or other entity should link to the subject's official site (again, boldface mine), if any."

This would seem to say that if the author has a complete list of his publications, etc., at his personal website, and that his website is not commercial, it could be linked to the Wiki article about him. Just to be sure, I delved further into WP:ELYES and found, under "Links to be considered," item 4, I found "Sites "that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources."

So @Colin (or other senior editors) ... combining both pieces of WP:ELYES guidance, it seems to me that I have the green light I was hoping for. Am I correct about that, so I needn't go through further hoops? Augnablik (talk) 22:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Since my assumption of May 5 hasn't been objected to, it would seem that it is in fact acceptable for the lengthy complete list of the author's publications I've described to be housed on his own website, even though a personal site couldn't be used for informational citations, and linked to from the Wikipedia article. I hope this is true, as it would beautifully solve the publication "housing issues" I've laid on the table here. Augnablik (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

info template edits

How do I add a citation to an information box template? Phillyrox (talk) 20:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Phillyrox The way that I tend to use is to first create the citation in the visual editor as I find it a bit more user friendly, then I go to the source editor to copy it. I'll then go back to the visual editor, go into the infobox and add it to the parameter that I need a citation for. Alternatively you could just stay in the source editor and just scroll up to find the infobox and add it to the parameter that way, dealers choice. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How to add a "hat" that doesn't consume the whole page.

Courtesy link: Talk:Islam

Hello everyone. I am attempting to close a discussion on the Islam talk page that has deviated from the purpose of a talk page.

When I add the hidden archive top template to the topic, it subsumes the entire page rather than just the problematic discussions.

If you'd like to see what I'm talking about, check out the recent edit history on that page.

Please advise! Zoozoor (talk) 05:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You will have to add hidden archive bottom template as well at the bottom of the section. So this is what you should have done:

Some section content

{{hab}} – robertsky (talk) 05:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you! Zoozoor (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How to remove "ghost" pictures

I created a topic at the Village Pump with two original images of mine. Then I deleted and replaced that file with a new version, which includes a new image. But the other two images seem to still be "alive," because when I clicked on a version of them in MS Word, I was taken to copies on the Internet.

Those unneeded images will just be cluttering up Wikipedia if they're allowed to remain, but I don't know where to go to delete them. Advice? Augnablik (talk) 01:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Augnablik. When asking about a specific Wikipedia page, it's usually helpful to provide a link to that page instead of expecting a Teahouse host to either just hope to make a lucky guess or to go digging through your contributions history to try and find the page/pages themselves. So, if you're asking about a particular file, please provide a link to the file's page or at least provide the name of the file. If you're asking about a particular Villiag Pump discussion, please provide a link to the discussion. Doing so will make it easier for someone to help you. Just for reference, only an Wikipedia administrator can WP:DELETE a Wikipedia page (including files), but it's not clear whether the files you uploaded are Wikipedia files or Wikimedia Commons files. In the latter case, you will need to request their deletion from Commons by following the guidance in c:Commons:Deletion policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Just for reference, your Commons' contribution history shows that you've uploaded four files: File:User contributions mystery.png, File:Job aid template -1.png, File:Job Aid Example -1.png and File:Simplified Job Aid.png. If any of these are the files you'd like deleted, you will need to make a deletion request on Commons. Anything uploaded less than seven days ago, can most likely be tagged for speedy deletion per Commons speedy deletion criterion G7; however, anything uploaded seven or more days ago will need to be nominated for deletion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for both your messages, @Marchjuly. I didn't give a link because I just assumed there was some "holding place" images might go and an editor would simply tell me to go there. The photos I need deleted are included in your second message — I'll follow through on your advice. Augnablik (talk) 04:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Actually, there's another oddity related to "ghost" pictures I just realize. I created only 3 images, but you identified 4. I clicked on the first one you mention, which is NOT one I knowingly created (User contributions mystery.png). I have no idea how it got created and ended up attributed to me!

This is weird. Is it possible that it's someone else's and if I ask for it to be deleted, that someone would lose an image he or she might to keep? Augnablik (talk) 04:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: The oldest of your uploads was uploaded too long ago to still be eligible for speedy deletion; so, you will need to start a regular deletion request for this file. You can do this by going to the file's Commons' page, clicking on "Nominate for deletion" in the left side bar and then following the prompts in the window that opens. The other three files can be tagged for speedy deletion. You can do this by going to each file's Commons' page, clicking on "Edit" at the top and then adding the syntax {{SD|G7}} (c:Template:SD) to the very top of the page's editing window. Once you've done that, click on "Show preview" to check your work and then "Publish changes" if things look OK. Since you're the person who uploaded the files, you don't really need to notify yourself,

As for your other questions, all four files are attributed to your account, which means either you or someone using your account uploaded them. Is it possible you just don't remember uploading the oldest one? Is it possible that you let someone else use your account to upload the file? If the later is a real possibility, then you might want to take a look at WP:COMPROMISED because this could be a problem for you when it comes to editing Wikipedia. As for whether someone might dispute your attempts tohave the files deleted, that's always a possibility, especially if the files are being used by others. In that case, further discussion may be needed to determine whether the file's still have some value to Commons per c:Commons:Project scope. It's also the main reason why only files hosted for less than seven days are eligible for author-requested speedy deletion; the idea is to give uploaders some time to correct mistakes or change their minds while also reducing that chances of the file being heavily used by others. You need to understand that once you upload something to Commons it can pretty remain there forever as long as it falls within Commons' Scope. The ability to self-nominate your uploads for speedy deletion is of more of courtesy than anything else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

If I just leave the 3 images I don’t need or want, wouldn’t I be doing something unecological, not disposing of clutter?

If it doesn’t really matter, I’d love to save time by not having to figure out how to submit not one but 2 types of deletion requests. Augnablik (talk) 05:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Commons is more concerned with the licensing of the content it hosts and whether that content falls within its project scope. What you see as clutter, someone else might feel has some value. Even so, you uploaded the those files and you can nominate those that qualify for speedy deletion if you want. The files should ended up deleted after a few days unless someone else decides they want to use them. If that happens, then they're not really clutter and further discussion may be necessary to get them deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I can guarantee nobody else would want the images I’m referring to! 😂

I just hate clutter in general. Augnablik (talk) 06:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps then the images were outside the scope of Commons and never should've been uploaded in the first place. If you feel that's the case, then tag them for speedy deletion or nominate them for regular deletion as such. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

No, @Marchjuly … the reason I wanted to delete the images —- that is, the two I’d uploaded with an earlier version of a proposal I was making at the "Village Pump" —- was that in my updated version I created another image that I saved along with the replacement proposal. There was simply no further need for the 2 images I’d made for the earlier deleted proposal.

And as I’ve mentioned, I’m mystified about the 4th image you had on the list of images you found uploaded in my name, so I definitely don’t need it. Augnablik (talk) 07:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: If you visit File:User contributions mystery.png and scroll down a bit you'll find a heading "File usage" under which you're told that the file is used on Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1158. And indeed on that page in the section headed User Contributions page mystery there is what appears to be a question from you illustrated by that picture. --bjh21 (talk) 21:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, my. I don't recall that at all. Well, thanks for the detective work, @Bjh21. Augnablik (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Change Draft Title

I would like to change my draft title to clarify the article's primary section. However I cannot achieve that. Could you help me ? My draft is at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:IPG_Technique Dentistedu (talk) 20:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Dentistedu, the title of a draft has little significance, it's not worth worrying about. When a draft is deemed worthy of becoming an article, its title can be changed. Draft:IPG Technique has more serous problems:

It does not properly cite any sources. There are some sources, but they're all grouped together after the body of the draft, so a reader can't tell which of the statements is supported by which source. (I see you were warned about this in February, and again in April.)
It starts "IPG Technique is a surgical component that interfaces with the upper posterior jaw". I don't know what this means. A component that can interface with a physical structure must be a physical thing, but a technique is not a physical thing.
It capitalises common words for no obvious reason: "Surgical", "Sinus", "Concentrated Growth Factors". Maproom (talk) 21:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dentistedu. As well as the points Maproom raises, note that sources for medical articles are required to meet the higher criteria of MEDRS. I notice that not one of your sources uses the phrase "IPG technique" in its title, which seems odd for sources which supposedly support an article on "IPG technique". I further notice that the first two sources have a lead author whose initials are IPG, which makes me wonder if those articles are independent sources? Non-independent sources can be used for certain purposes (see WP:PRIMARY) but the majority of sources should be independent of the researchers who originated the technique.

Also, note that a Wikipedia article should never use evaluative language like "innovative" in Wikipedia's voice (it may directly quote a source that uses such language, as long as the source is completely unconnected with the subject of the article and any people associated with the subject).

Also, though this is less important than getting the citations right, and the neutral point of view, please consider using wikilinks. For example, we have an article on osseointegration, and if you linked to that you could probably give less explanation of it that you have, making your text clearer and less complex. ColinFine (talk) 22:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Warning a user

Hello! I'd like to warn this IP about their edits at Newtonhill, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it. Do I need to be a moderator/have special privileges? Dinsfire24 (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dinsfire24. Any editor can warn any other editor when justified. No special privileges are needed. Cullen328 (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello WP:WARNVAND may be a helpful resource for the guidelines for warning. Tools such as Twinkle and Ultraviolet help greatly in reverting and warning users :) Wiiformii (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Articles for trigger warnings

I wanted to make an article that is a list of media (books, movies, music) that references 9/11 as a means of trigger warnings for survivors and family members. Is this appropriate for Wikipedia? If not, is there somewhere else I can turn to? Theow1004 (talk) 00:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I cannot for the life of me parse what this means. Give an example of such a book, movie, or music. Zaathras (talk) 00:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What I mean by this is a piece of media that makes reference. It doesn’t have to be the main point of the media. You’ve never watched a movie with a 9/11 joke? You’ve never read a book that offhandedly mentions it? Because I’ve read 3 books just this year that have: Everyone on the Moon is Essential Personnel, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, and Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism. Theow1004 (talk) 02:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

See WP:Trigger and WP:NDT as Wikipedia is a place without censorship and disclaimers at the top of pages for triggers aren't utilized. Wiiformii (talk) 01:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

There's List of cultural references to the September 11 attacks and Category:Works about the September 11 attacks but these aren't supposed to include works with only trivial mentions. Maybe doesthedogdie.com has what you want? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you soooo much for that website. Very helpful! Theow1004 (talk) 03:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding Template Data

Hello,

If I was to add template data, (Template:Infobox Uniform Crime Reports is in mind), do I have to worry about breaking the template on mainspace articles? I assume that changing the requirement status and data type would break stuff, but would changing the name or aliases do anything? Is there an in-depth tutorial about this?

Thank you! EatingCarBatteries (talk) 05:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi EatingCarBatteries. If you ask about this at Template talk:Infobox Uniform Crime Reports you'll probably get a more specific answer, but templates only work properly when they're used in accordance with their respective template documentation (i.e. you can only use the parameters specified in the documentation, and you can only use them as specified); so, even a minor change to a template's sytax can have a huge ripple effect depending on how widely the template is being used. Although this template doesn't seem to be one of the most highly used templates found on Wikipeida, it does still seem to be being used a fair amount of times. So, you might want be WP:CAUTIOUS here and propose changes on the template's talk page first, or maybe seek help at Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates or Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography before diving in head first. You could also trying practicing the changes you want to make in your user sandbox to see whether things work before actually attemption to edit the template's page itself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

How to cite source

I'm editing List of cathedrals in the United States. I can't upload photos obviously, for i can't take the only available photos in internet or social media. It's much hard too that i can't cite my source or be able to place the integrates of the locations i'm trying to enter in this list. I don't think i'll be ever able to place fully the details i'm trying to enter, so i hope anyone who can place the citations and integrates may be too kind to do it instead for me. I also intend to do similar new entries in related lists so i hope you will keep up and bear patience with me on this. Thanks guys! JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 01:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@JorizMingoyMontes: WP:REFB is a useful guide on learning to cite sources. But, please clarify your question, as I don't understand how citing a source related to uploading photos. RudolfRed (talk) 01:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't upload photos from internet. Wikipedia says i must upload photos that i myself have taken. But evidently i can't do it for i can't travel elsewhere so i get photos only from internet JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 02:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi JorizMingoyMontes What does uploading photos have to do with citing a source? You don't need to upload a photo in order to cite a source; in fact, photos in most cases aren't really suitable to cite as sources. Perhaps you should take a look at WP:RELIABLESOURCES because you seem to misunderstand what "source" means in the context of "reliable sources". Do you instead want to know how to add images to the article about cathedrals in the US? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi and thank you! I don't mean photos and sources are one and the same. I only have two problems at the same time: I can't cite sources most of the time though thankfully I'm able to cite only in some articles that I edit, but not in all articles that I edit. Second is that I can't upload photos I freely find on the internet, for evidently I must take the photos on my own. I hope though you may help me on uploading photos without me necessarily taking those photos by myself. Yes please, I need to know. Thanks again! JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 09:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Position of boxes

I'm trying to get a Wikiquote box and a Wikimedia box on the Darth Vader page to align better. Scroll down to the bottom and you'll see the boxes below the "Works Cited" section. Ideally, I would like the two boxes to be side-by-side. Wafflewombat (talk) 10:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat I think this is because the templates are normally in an External links section, which you recently removed. The template page, e.g. {{Wikiquote}} gives some other options. Removing the |position=left parameters is one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Article translation

How do i add a language an article? When i try to do it, it just doesn’t show up when i try to add a langauge that the article hasn’t been translated too yet. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

It seems to be working as intended, then! Why would you want to list a version of the article in another language that doesn't exist? Every article would just have 330 translation links, most of them useless. Remsense诉 03:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Blackmamba31248. I'm not sure what you mean. If you want to create a new translation then you must first create the article at the other wiki. Then you can add a language link by clicking "Add languages". PrimeHunter (talk) 07:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

To expand on a possible misunderstanding, Blackmamba31248, there is no automatic translation function in Wikipedia. If an article exists on (say) the English Wikipedia where we are now, and you would like there to be one on (say) the Arendellian Wikipedia, a completely separate project, someone would have to write one in Arendellian and create it there. Only after that could a link from the English Wikipedia article to the one on the Arendellian Wikipedia be created.

Although one way of creating the Arendellian-language article would be to translate the English one (and note that raw auto-translate program outputs may not be used for final article text, although one might use one on one's own device as an aid), this might have to be modified for the doubtless different requirements of the Arendellian Wikipedia. The translator would need to have a good grasp of both languages, particularly Arendellian, otherwise the Arendellian Editors would have too much work to do correcting the result.

It would be equally valid to write an article in Arendellian from scratch, using whatever reliable sources (which can be in any language) are available (including the ones already used here). It might have a different structure and different (even in translation) text from the article here, but once approved on the Arendellian Wikipedia, links between the two would be welcome as they are both on the same subject. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.175.176 (talk) 08:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank for clearing this up. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What to do: the Sequel

What counts as something not being notable enough? My draft (Draft: Federal Alliance of Eastern Sudan) was declined due to not meeting notability guidelines, but I thought it was. Am I wrong? The criteria stipulates that the sources need to not be just brief mentions of the subject in question but isn't a paragraph or so enough? Thanks. TheBrowniess (talk) 05:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Federal Alliance of Eastern Sudan

Hi TheBrowniess, Notability (organizations) is the relevant guideline but here but this one looks like it could be a bit of an edge case to me - every source is brief but as you say, they all give a paragraph or so. You could ask the reviewer who declined Grabup what they would consider significant coverage on this topic. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheBrowniess, The Sudan Tribune is the sole reliable source providing in-depth coverage. However, as per WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRIT, notability for organization requires multiple in-depth coverages from Independent reliable secondary sources. Additionally, The Sudan Tribune lacks author attribution, raising concerns about its accuracy which again fails WP:GNG’s Reliablity guidline which says “ Reliablity: means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.” That’s why I declined the Afc and commented that it needs more reliable secondary sources to establish notablity of the subject. Grabup (talk) 06:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I will concede then, I should've read the rules further before writing the draft, I guess. Thanks for your time, guys. Cheers! TheBrowniess (talk) 07:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

TheBrowniess Any access to non-English sources? This feels close to acceptable. David notMD (talk) 09:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Spent a couple of minutes and I found none unfortunately, except for some weird translation services. TheBrowniess (talk) 10:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup could you review the recent changes? Thanks. TheBrowniess (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheBrowniess, Submit it for review, it will be reviewed. Grabup (talk) 12:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Copyright Investigation

I appreciate any and all help. A week ago, an article that I created for Francesco Sapori was marked as having a copyright investigation for a violation of copyright. Unfortunately, this appears to be an error on the behalf of the editor. The website that is linked to as having a copyright problem does not contain any information about Sapori, no information from that site was used, and the report created by Earwig's Copyvio Detector notes there is a 0.0% chance of a violation. Again, the page that was linked to for a copyright violation had no content related to Sapori. I think the page was flagged by accident because it was new. I have attempted to contact the editor who marked the page for deletion due to copyright infringement, but it has been nearly a week and they haven't responded. The entire page is set to be deleted tomorrow, and I currently don't have the ability to copy over the text that I wrote.

Is there anything that I can do? I am worried the material will be deleted and I'll have to start again from square one. Jrhogbin (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like that tag was added by mistake to your draft while the editor who moved the article to draftspace was dealing with a copyright issue on a different page (Hanuman Books). I've removed the tag. Courtesy ping for Justlettersandnumbers in case I've made a mistake in figuring out what happened here. Tollens (talk) 15:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help! It is greatly appreciated. This clarifies a great deal. Jrhogbin (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, my apologies to Jrhogbin, I messed that up – pasted the wrong url, both into the copyvio template and into the edit summary. The copyvio I had noticed (not very serious, but not negligible either) was/is from here. I'll relist the page under today's date so that anyone who wants to rewrite it will have a full week in which to do so. NB Job titles on their own are not a copyright concern, but job titles with associated running text may well be. Jrhogbin, if you want to be sure that someone sees a message you've written them, it's advisable to ping them in some way (I missed yours to me). I use {{u|Username}} to do that, but there are other ways. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Like if you use the [reply]-link, there is a little-guy-with-a-plus button for pinging. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: You get this month's prize for pointing out something really useful but not entirely obvious. Thanks! Bazza 7 (talk) 19:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wow! I never noticed that before! Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bazza 7@Shantavira You can also type @ for the same effect. If you use the [reply]-link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

About location changes

Hello, I have a question about frequent location changes. This summer, I plan on traveling to many places. I like to edit Wikipedia during my trip. I understand that my IP address will change when I move from place to place. Will it be possible for me to continue editing Wikipedia despite the frequent changes in my location? Thanks for answering me! Hanoifun (talk) 13:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hanoifun: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1223. There's no issue with editing from different areas (so long as it's not disruptive, as usual). Editing while you're logged in would also make it more difficult to track where you are. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hanoifun If you are concerned about editing from places (e.g. Internet cafes) but don't want to use your main account for security reasons, then it is perfectly acceptable to create an alternative account for that purpose: see WP:PUBSOCK. This is probably better than editing logged-out as all the separate IP addresses would be difficult to associate with you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Walkerton E. coli outbreak

Courtesy link: Walkerton E. coli outbreak

I recently reviewed the page referenced above (Walkerton e-coli) and was surprised to see no reference to changes in provincial water testing that privatized testing and which impacted early detection of the source of contamination. https://www.archives.gov.on.ca/en/e_records/walkerton/report1/pdf/WI_Summary.pdf i also note that the page references 2000 cases when the official report states at least 2300. The page was last edited May 3, 2024 for an event dating from 2000. The Inquiry document referenced here dates from 2002. While I support Wikipedia, I’m not a good candidate to become an Editor and do not have the skill set to affect changes personally (though I will re-evaluate that moving forward) and suggest that those more knowledgeable update the page and perhaps monitor future changes … 166.48.156.22 (talk) 15:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. When you want to make suggestions but are not bold enough to do them yourself, the best place to place your suggestion is on the Talk Page of the article. In this case that would be Talk:Walkerton E. coli outbreak. There is an edit request wizard which will draw such ideas to the attention of editors who specialize in following up such requests, which is appropriate for articles like that one which don't have many page watchers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Just wondering

Why was the requirements to edit Extra-Protected pages changed from 500 edits to 501? Just curious. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 00:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I had that same situation, too. I think that it's some sort of software delay, or that the software is programmed to autogrant EC to users with over 500 edits. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 03:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248 See WP:ECP and the more detailed article linked there, which confirms that you must already have 500 edits before you can edit an EC-protected article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Questions about talk page conduct

Hey just, general question, if an editor consistently and summarily dismisses all conflicting opinions to theirs as 'twitter nonsense', deems any arguments contrary to their editorial opinion as wikilawyering despite none of the behaviors on the wikilawyering essay being even remotely approached, accuses other editors of bigotry against a country's people when they cite a human rights report on that country's government in evaluating the weight to give a statement from that government, randomly makes similar accusations even outside of those circumstances, says they'll take the next editor who cites that human rights report to ARBCOM, and in general makes consistent demands that editors that disagree with their ideas (such as on whether to use a primary source with a heavy conflict of interest to exclude reliably sourced and weighted dissenting viewpoints for instance) drop their disputing points or take them to twitter for no visible reason other than that they don't like it; does that fall afoul of anything in the realm of civility? Snokalok (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

To elaborate, what if they're a really, *really* influential editor? Like one of the oldest editors on the site influential? Not an admin, to clarify. Snokalok (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

If you can document specific examples, then start a case at WP:ANI or at WP:AE if the transgressions require ArbCom attention. No editor is "influential" and any editor, regardless of experience or longevity, can receive blocks or bans for behavioral reasons. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What's the practical difference between ANI and AE? Is it just that one is more a specific incident while the other is more longterm? Snokalok (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

The biggest practical differences are that

AE requires that the dispute be related to a contentious topic area and that the reported editor be formally aware of that topic's contentious status
AE has word limits and sectioning that keep conversations smaller (usually)
AE decisions solicit input from all editors, but the decision is ultimately based on consensus of responding administrators. ANI decisions can be based on whole-community consensus.

Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Is it okay for a user to manufacture articles with two lines ?

While checking this https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Saqib

Just came to this user saqib created 200+ articles with Autopatrolled rights only with two lines (alosmost all articles) and most of them are not properly cited. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and hundred more.

Is it okay to manufacture short articles with Autopatrolled rights? Because as per guidelines creating "clean" , well cited articles is mandatory!. Lkomdis (talk) 16:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I clicked on a few of your examples, and all seemed to be stubs about notable subjects, and all had at least one citation. What do you see is the problem? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

All looks similar "just two lines", not single article was expended by the the creater, as I checked. And if someone is notable can be create hundreds of articles with just two lines?. Is that the way, we should use Autopatrolled rights! Lkomdis (talk) 16:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Autopatrol has nothing to do with the ability to create articles, and you seem to be confused about what constitutes a clean page.

Autopatrol is a right given to users who have demonstrated they can create clean article pages, to reduce the workload of patrollers who don't have to patrol those creations.

Every example you gave is a clean page. Each presents a notable subject and a supporting secondary source. The fact that each page is a WP:Stub doesn't mean it isn't clean. Those pages conform to WP:LAYOUT, WP:HEADINGS, and other guidelines, they are properly categorized, and they are about notable subjects. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

It was confusing for me because most of them resemble the dictionary of politicians. In the past, I believed that Autopatrolled rights were granted to individuals who produce articles that were both clean and elaborate. I appreciate your reply. Lkomdis (talk) 17:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Collapsing a template

The template Template:Alphabet occupies a large amount of space down the right hand side of the pages where it is used. Examples are at:

Hebrew alphabet, where it is currently invoked as {{alphabet}}
Ugaritic alphabet, where it is currently invoked as {{alphabet|state=collapsed}}

Despite the different invocations, they seem to display the same; that is, the "state=collapsed" in the second example seems to have no effect.

The template itself starts:

{{#invoke:sidebar|collapsible
| heading1 = [[History of the alphabet]]
| expanded = {{#ifeq:{{{state|<noinclude>uncollapsed</noinclude>}}}|uncollapsed|all}}
| liststyle = text-align:left;
| ...

which suggests that collapsibility is potentially available. But the template documentation is almost non-existent and doesn't seem to mention collapsibility.

What is the mechanism to make it collapsible, please? Where, if at all, is it documented? If someone could tell me how to invoke it, I would then be happy to add a documentation note if required.

Feline Hymnic (talk) 16:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell from looking at Module:Sidebar, the "collapsible" parameter isn't actually an option, but I could be wrong. Rather, there's another template {{Sidebar with collapsible lists}} that is also implemented by that module, and it contains collapsible lists inside the sidebar. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for your useful replies here and at Template talk:Alphabet. The latter is probably the better place for follow-up. I think I am making progress. Feline Hymnic (talk) 21:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Help!

My SVG has glitched because I don't know, I just used a mapchart map of 1830 to make my US flag map from 1822 to 1836, And I masked the flag, However, The SVG became invisible, the problem is so hard to fix that I just gave up. I asked some people to help me on Stack Overflow, They gave me some tips on how to fix it, It didn't work. So you guys are the only hope for me to fix it. (i have no idea if i should link my image here...) MJGTMKME123 (talk) 13:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

...why is nobody responding. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 15:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@MJGTMKME123, possibly because no one who understands how to help has seen it yet; we're all volunteers, here. Yes, you can link the image if you think it will help. Valereee (talk) 16:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay. c:File:Flag_Map_of_the_United_States_(1822-1836).svg MJGTMKME123 (talk) 17:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@MJGTMKME123 The experts on .svg images have their own Help Pages at WP:SVG help. You should post details there and I'm sure you will get good advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 22:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Aren’t mapChart maps usually unrecommended? 48JCL 19:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User is insulting me just because I used MapChart. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Also, I couldn't find a map for my flag map. MJGTMKME123 (talk) 22:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I’m not insulting you, it’s just that you can’t update a mapChart map and you should use a SVG instead. Also, in list of countries by human development index a couple of mapChart maps have been removed and in one of the edit descriptions it said that mapChart maps aren’t recommended 48JCL 22:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Why would I just randomly waste time just to draw the map of the United States from 1822 to 1836 in SVG? MJGTMKME123 (talk) 22:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Idk, you want a high quality post right? 48JCL 22:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Let’s not argue 48JCL 22:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

What are the limitations of {{display title}}?

I ask in regards to TM103: Hustlerz Ambition, would it be possible to have the page located at TM103 Hustlerz Ambition and use {{display title}} to have the level 1 header on the page say TM:103 Hustlerz Ambition? I understand [[TM:]] is a shortcut to the template namespace.

I feel like having the page at TM103: is facutally incorrect, it seems wrong to change the order of the punctuation just for the sake of getting the colon in there? If this were technically possible, I would start the WP:RM. Thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 18:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@MicrobiologyMarcus: It can only be used to make the changes described at Template:DISPLAYTITLE § Description; adding a colon in the middle of the title is unfortunately not one of those things. The reasoning behind this is that the title needs to be able to be copy-pasted into links (and other things), and adding most characters in most places won't allow for that. Tollens (talk) 18:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens: Ahh, of course. I image I will still commence a WP:RM as, in my opinion, the colon in the wrong location is a factually incorrect name as opposed to the omission of a colon, but others may agree. Good to know that if the page where to move, {{display title}} wouldn't be a fix. Many thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 18:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@MicrobiologyMarcus: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1223. While not a 100% fix, perhaps using {{correct title}} might clear up some misconceptions of what the title is supposed to be rendered as? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the article already uses that note. Tollens (talk) 22:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Different data in different WP:RS citation

I was editing this page Blue Train (South Africa) and came across different data in two different reliable citations. CNN (https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/luxury-train-travel/index.html) states 27 hours travel duration and Business Insider Africa states 31 hours travel duration (https://africa.businessinsider.com/news/the-best-luxury-train-rides-in-2024/gc7lrsp)

CNN is an older citation from 2016 and Business Insider Africa is a newer citation from 2024. Would it be better if I change the duration mentioned on the page from 27 to 31 hours since the newer citation should be updated? My assumption and logic here is that the latest citation will be more accurate.

ANLgrad (talk) 21:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I opened a discussion at Talk:Blue Train (South Africa), though only with more info--not a solution yet. JackTheSecond (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Help!

Hey, Hope you all are doing great. Recently I made three drafts Draft:Gumn, Draft:Wonderland (Pakistani TV series) and Draft:Hook (2022 TV series) but they were declined by reviewer User:Saqib who has been biased in reviewing my drafts and in case of Draft:Gumn despite the fact it does have multiple reliable sources, it was indicated that it does not meet WP:GNG. Help me get my articles published as I feel they all are notable to be published. 182.182.97.3 (talk) 22:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:FORUMSHOP. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 22:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You are WP:LOUTSOCKing and engaging in UPE. Just stop. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not, you can have investigation on my IP. You guys are just bullying new editors like me. 182.182.97.3 (talk) 06:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Stop being so accusing. They are right. 48JCL 00:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK nominations

Do you know how long a dyk will take? 48JCL 23:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Typically, less than a month from submitted to approved, and then an additional 10-14 days to be used. There are about a half-dozen dating to early April or March that are not yet approved, mostly due to lack of agreement on the text of the DYK. David notMD (talk) 01:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

"Not a guide"

I wrote Draft:Designated Reserves (Czech Republic) which was rejected by User talk:TheTechie for not meeting WP:NOTGUIDE. In one part of the article, I painstaikingly summarized/translated the prescribed requirements of the training courses. The idea being of having it prepared in way that will allow direct and meaningful comparison with similar future articles about similar systems in other countries (e.g. Lithuania, Estonia, etc.).

Can someone please let me know to what extent the content needs to be dumbed down in order to pass the WP:NOTGUIDE? Cimmerian praetor (talk) 04:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I suggest reducing the "Training under auspices of Ministry of Interior" section to a brief overview of the training process. You should still mention the 3 levels including a brief description of each. If the article feels like a guide, then it probably fails WP:NOTGUIDE. EternalNub (talk) 05:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

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