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Set state for Campainbox template for Lexington Alarm

Hello, I hope this is an easy one. I tried a couple of scenarios to set the state for the {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Boston|state=expanded}} in the Lexington Alarm article, with and without the <noinclude></noinclude> parameters... and I tested it in my sandbox in this version. It stays expanded in my sandbox, but not in the article.

Following the instructions in Template:Navbox (there weren't any for the campaign box), I also tried {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Boston|state={{state|expanded}}}}

No luck. Do you have any ideas?–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:47, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: Welcome to the Teahouse! There are some instructions in Template:Campaignbox, but it doesn't explain what values are valid for the |state= parameter. In the Lexington Alarm article, I changed {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Boston|state={{state|expanded}}}} to {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Boston|state={{state|expanded}} but that didn't work. Then, I edited Template:Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Boston to include | state = {{{state|}}} and now the template is expanded in the Lexington Alarm article. I then checked the Battle of Bunker Hill article, and confirmed that the box is not expanded. Hope this is what you were looking for. GoingBatty (talk) 22:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, aren't you something! That's perfect, GoingBatty Thanks so much.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I mention a source again?

so like I was making a draft and then I wanted to reuse a source but I can’t find out how. It marks it as a whole new source. 48JcL48 (talk) 23:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@48JcL48: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1221. You will want to read more on named references. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

If you are using the Visual editor, you can simply copy and paste references to get the same result. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Making tabs

Excuse me, I just made an account to help edit, but I don't know how to add tabs to an existing article. Can you please help me? 2601:48:C601:5550:74C7:D0FE:DEBA:13AF (talk) 21:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1221. You are currently not logged in to any account, as your edits are coming from your IP address. Page tabs aren't used in articles, as stated in the documentation for {{page tabs}}; what do you want to use them for? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was looking in the article The Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom, and I noticed it didn't mention the characters or any stats about them. I was just wondering if there was a way to add them in. 2601:48:C601:5550:74C7:D0FE:DEBA:13AF (talk) 03:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I found a list of Legend of Zelda characters, but is there a way to separate them into two categories? Breath of the Wild characters and Tears of the Kingdom characters? I'm just trying to make it the least amount confusing as possible, and to me it was very confusing. Thank you for your time! :) 2601:48:C601:5550:74C7:D0FE:DEBA:13AF (talk) 03:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Generally Wikipedia just uses sections. I would exercise discretion with the amount of detail though, as it could be considered fancruft that may run afoul of WP:NOTDATABASE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Sfn question

On this page I have placed two volumes of a three-volume book series in the Works Cited section. I'd like to be able to create Sfn notes referencing both of them, but can't figure out how to do it, because both volumes have the same authors and publication year. Any thoughts? Wafflewombat (talk) 04:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

You can use the parameter |ref= to change what you have {{sfn}} point to, so you can have Author 20XXa, 20XXb, etc. as destinations for shortcites. See details at {{sfnref}}. If you need more help, let me know! Remsense诉 04:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Wafflewombat: I added {{sfnref}} to each volume in the Works Cited section. You can edit the footnotes accordingly to distinguish which are from Vol I vs Vol III. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Wafflewombat and welcome to the Teahouse. When there are multiple works by the same set of authors in the same year, add letters to the end of the year. The first volume would be 2000a, if 2000 is the year. The second would be 2000b, etc. See Template:Sfn#More than one work in a year for how to do this. StarryGrandma (talk) 04:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I think I got it figured out. Wafflewombat (talk) 06:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Parentheses in page names for tribes/communities/ethnic groups

Suppose you are creating a page for a community (tribe, ethnic group, caste, etc.). Is it better to name the page with parentheses around the community type or not? For example, is X (tribe) or X tribe preferable as the name of the main article (with the other presumably being a redirect)? Is there a specific policy governing this, and if so, could someone link it?

Secondarily, whichever is preferred, what redirect category should the redirect page from the other one be filed under? Is {{R from alternative punctuation}} correct, or is there a better one?

Thank you. Brusquedandelion (talk) 05:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

In general WP:NATURAL applies here: as a rule of thumb, parentheses are often a last resort in an article title. So X people would be preferred in every case as far as I can imagine to X (people). Remsense诉 06:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Brusquedandelion The guidance for this is at WP:NCET. You need to think about whether the community is better called a people or a tribe, or just their name. There are other considerations, as the linked page details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Microsoft Word problem - changing "====" to "============================" etc.

If you put a "====" or "----" at the beginning of a line, Word expands this to fill the whole width of the page. So far so good. The problem is that you cannot always delete the "----------------------------------------------------------------".

Help needed. ----MountVic127 (talk) 03:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

What does the problem have to do with editing Wikipedia? CanonNi (talk) 03:19, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I sometimes edit some text in MS Word, before copy-pasting it to Wikipedia.

Also some "Contact Us" procedures do not send a copy of this text back to the writer, so you loose all of it if you knock the wrong key. So better to edit the text in Word first. I have been caught by this bug too many times.

The Word file may also contain the long ruled line which separates sub-sections.

----MountVic127 (talk) 03:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Try switching to your sandbox for test edits. CanonNi (talk) 03:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The problem was in the source viewer where it multiplies the "==" because there was a bug or glitch some sort. You can try switching to visual editing ‍ Shonyx 04:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

If you like to write material on your hard drive and then copy and paste it in, don't use a word processor such as Word, use a text editor. 126.158.157.73 (talk) 05:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@MountVic127 On Microsoft computers, try WordPad. I use it all the time specifically because it doesn't do any of the "helpful" autocorrects that Word is prone to. Word's worst habit, IMO, is to convert two single quote characters ' and ' into double-quotes, whether straight or curly. In Wikipedia, two quotes are used to indicate italics. WordPad text can be saved in .rtf format, so it can still incorporate advanced formatting like hyperlinks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I use Notepad++, which is free and open-source, and has better features, including syntax highlighting. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Copyvio % similarity: the acceptable limit?

What level of similarity in the percentage(%) of plagiarism is considered acceptable when using copyvio tool? Charlie (talk) 13:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

That would depend on the content. If the majority of the copyvio is quotations taken from a single website then the percentage is likely to be pretty high. You should try and reduce the quotes as best as possible, condensing them into shorter bits.

If the majority of the copyvio is text from the website then the acceptable percentage, at least in my eyes, is far lower. Anything above 30% when you've used one page as a source throughout an article should have you concerned while anything above 50% should have you trying to reword as much close paraphrasing as possible. It's very rare that you should get above 50% if you're following best practice. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Is there a particular page that has you concerned? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo Thank you for the thorough response. Yes, my concerns are about La Plaine St. André, the page I made recently. Charlie (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks alright to me if 18% is your highest, but you can always reword things if you aren't happy with it. As for the article itself, try to avoid sandwiching like with the image of the paintings on the wall. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

How do we know if information on Wikipedia is true?

Like LITERALLY? Fives Collariums (talk) 03:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Fives Collariums and welcome to the Teahouse. All information on Wikipedia is sourced with reliable references and unsourced content may be removed at any point. CanonNi (talk) 03:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it's not true that all information on Wikipedia is sourced. Lots of our articles contain unsourced material, some of which is likely incorrect. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

An excellent description of Wikipedia is that it's the world's best source of sources. All content is supposed to be supported by reliable sources, which you can click on to read yourself. That way you can make your own judgment on the credibility of content. But most of it is pretty darned accurate. HiLo48 (talk) 03:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful information, I fully appreciate that, should I take down this question now that I've recieved an answer? Fives Collariums (talk) 03:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

No, Fives Collariums, please leave it up. -- Hoary (talk) 03:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Answered questions will be automatically archived after 2-3 days. Please don't remove it manually. CanonNi (talk) 03:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

While randomly browsing through Teahouse questions, I came across this one and realized that it would be quite easily misinterpreted to imply that any source found in a Wikipedia article is necessarily considered to be a reliable source. This is actually a very reasonable inference, it's just not true, and there are multiple reasons this might be the case. For instance, it might have been from a source that was considered RS at the time the source was cited, but which was subsequently determined to no longer be RS. It could be that the source is RS for some types of content but not for other types of content. And last but hardly least, the source may have been added even though it wasn't considered RS at the time it was added. So you can't just go look and see that other articles use a source and therefore assume that it's okay for you to use that source. Fabrickator (talk) 08:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Fives Collariums Please see WP:TRUTH. Wikipedia doesn't necessarily claim that the information presented is "true", only that it can be verified. Only you can decide what is "true" for you. 331dot (talk) 08:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Yup, humans don't know the Absolute Truth. Ideally, Wikipedia renders the truth according to WP:CHOPSY. tgeorgescu (talk) 08:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I was making a quite distinct point, which is not whether or not the information in Wikipedia is actually accurate, but that the fact that a particular source is cited in an article doesn't mean that the cited source actually qualifies as an RS. Fabrickator (talk) 15:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

You're right, it doesn't mean the source is still classed as reliable by today's standards, this can be seen on older and more niche articles. That being said, when you find sources that aren't reliable you can replace them with those that are. That is the power of being bold. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:State media, and resulting questions on how categories work.

There seems to have been some longstanding error defining the Category:State media... which (I think?) I corrected now in this diff. The problem I have now is that I don't quite know how categories work and how broadcasters like ARD, ZDF, and Al Jazeera ended up categorised there, in spite of there being no defining link in their mark-up. -- Oh, and if someone knows of a way to wikilink categories, let me know that too pretty please... JackTheSecond (talk) 15:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@JackTheSecond The last part is easy; just Wikilink with a colon at the front, so Category:State media. Same works for links to Commons and files etc. I don't know about your main question. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@JackTheSecond: You may discuss at Category talk:State media for particular replacement of content you did there. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, JackTheSecond. For ARD, the category link to Category:State media is not in ARD (broadcaster) directly, but in Category:ARD (broadcaster). I'm guessing it's the same for the other ones you've mentioned. ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Use link to highlight for source

For a long web page source of which very small part (say a sentence) is to be used as a source, can you use the #:~:text= to highlight the text? I am aware that it might be troublesome for 'reusing the source', still more information on this would help. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor The template {{Cite web}}, and many other citation templates, can take the parameter |quote=. Would that help? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: That looks interesting and helpful as we could search that term on web page. Maybe we could change the parameter to also highlight the quote by the #:~:text=(quote). If anyone here doesn't see any quick fail for the idea, I may propose it for discussion. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Unquestionably: #:~:text= is a feature introduced by Google Chrome. It's called "scroll to text fragment". Many other browsers will ignore it. The link still works but just goes to the top of the page with no highlighting. I haven't found a Wikipedia guideline about it but I wouldn't use it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Yes it apparently works on chrome and edge but not on firefox, safari, and IE per [1]. Thank you. Also, I think you tagged User:Unquestionably by mistake if I am not wrong. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Citing a Kickstarter Page

Several years ago I created the page For the King, which is a video game that proved fairly hard to research and find sources for due to it being and indie title. The page I found to be by far the most useful was the video game's original Kickstarter page, which contained more information about the video game's creators, development, and influences than every other source combined. Unfortunately, I could not reference the page in my article, as it was flagged for solicitation, which is understandable considering it is a Kickstarter page. However, it is not an active project, individuals can no longer pledge money to it and have not been able to since I believe 2016. Is there anyway to source the page without having the reference flagged? I only ask because about half the information in my Development section comes from the page, and it is really the only section that lacks any references as I could not find any other sources with the same information.

Thanks in advance! MrGoldenfold007 (talk) 14:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@MrGoldenfold007 It sounds as though you want to use that page in an WP:ABOUTSELF way: see that link for what is acceptable. Was the Kickstarter page archived at the Wayback Machine for example? If so, that may not trigger the edit filter (although I've never done that to check). Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I tested it. It triggers the alarm. Even for <ref>https://web.archive.org/web/bannedwebsitexyz</ref>. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:ABOUTSELF? Definitely not haha, I have no personal connection to the game other than it is the first Wikipedia page I made and so I am sentimentally attached to it in that respect I guess. Like I said too the page has a ton of info about the game so that's the only reason I attempted to add it as a reference. MrGoldenfold007 (talk) 16:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@MrGoldenfold007: If you feel the link is needed, you can:.... Request that just the specific page be allowed, without unblocking the whole website, by asking on the spam whitelist talk page. This is written in the warning you receive that your edit could not be published due to banned source site. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok will do. Thank you for the help! MrGoldenfold007 (talk) 17:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Creating a new template

Hi! I am considering creating some new single-issue user warning templates. I know that for articles there is the Article for Creation process to help with checking that articles are useful. Is there an equivilent process for creating pages in the template namespace? QwertyForest (talk) 19:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi QwertyForest, I'm not aware of any. I'd recommend posting at Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace, where issues about user warnings are discussed, to solicit feedback on your ideas. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Calliopejen1. I'll try that at some point. QwertyForest (talk) 17:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Better discussions on wikipedia

Is there any tooling (or efforts to develop tooling) for improved discussion support on wikipedia? I've only been editing for a few months, and have already been involved in several discussions which quickly become unwieldy and remain unresolved. The issues I see:

1. depth of threads makes it difficult to read (even with the reindent template (or what ever it's called))
2. difficulty of keeping track of open disagreements and disputes
3. diffulty of keeping track of and referencing historical discussions and their relevance to current discussions
4. there's no support for viewing a comparison of a proposed edit (and the various proposed versions) and the current text on the page. So people have to keep reminding everyone what their proposed version is and how it differs.
5. keeping track of the substantive points people have brought up, the supporting sources and the amount of support for each point.
6. lack of a decision making process, which leads to frequent "stalemates".

I'm sure some of this can be improved with "best practices", but only if people cooperate with said practices. With some more creative and thoughtful UX design and tooling most of these could be solved. But I'm not aware of any such tools or efforts to build such tools. Please share links to such efforts if they exist. Thank you! EDIT: also, if you do have recommendations for addressing any of the above points, please let me know. DMH223344 (talk) 18:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

In terms of legibility, I personally use Convenient Discussions, which uses some visual elements to demarcate separate comments by signature. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

How to make my userpage into a redirect?

Hi, Usersnipedname here. I made this account to redirect people to their own user page, but when I type #REDIRECT [[Special:MyPage]] into my user page (--> MyUserPage (talk)), all it gives me is this:

1. REDIRECT Special:MyPage

Is there something in the MediaWiki software that prevents this from happening, or did I just format it wrong? I suppose that the mw: software prevents redirects from happening on user pages, as I did it exactly as I remember and I even followed the instructions on Help:Redirects.

MyUserPage (talk) 10:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

hi me Usersnipedname (nag me/stalk me) 10:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

If this is your alternative account, please disclose so and see WP:GOODSOCK for more information. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Try using a soft redirect, as you cannot directly redirect to a page within the Special namespace. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Why is this needed? 331dot (talk) 12:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

It isn't. I've deleted it. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:19, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

and blocked them as a sock. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

New article

What is the best way to avoid deletion for a new page/article? I’m trying to add bio/discography. Mercbeatz (talk) 20:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Having reliable sources is your best bet! Are there articles from independent newspapers (ie, not paid/promotional) who talk about the subject of the article in depth? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Looking at your talk page, it appears as if you've been trying to create an article about yourself. If this is what you've been trying to do, you have a clear conflict of interest and should not be making that page. Please see WP:WEBHOST as well. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

zzz

i would like to become an administrator Prettycurefan75 (talk) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

This is the third time (one, two) you have done this in this discussion page. At some point it goes from "not now, but here's some productive advice" replies to the point where it is just considered disruptive. Please stop. Zaathras (talk) 20:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Fore reference, the two threads are archived here and here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

From where to start?

I am realizing wikipedia is too big. There are discussions, pool, internal fights... from where do I start if I want to improve pages related about Economics? Socdevz (talk) 21:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Well first, I'd go to WikiProject Economics to see what they say needs to be done, you can see that in the open tasks section. You could also check out their start and stub class articles to see whether you want to improve any of them.

I can see you have a limited number of edits, so it might be worth learning some of the basics of Wikipedia, such as how to cite things and what's classified as a reliable source. You could also check out the task hub to see whether anything catches your eye. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Unable to post translated article to English Wikipedia

Hello! I translated the article about American actress Carmen Moore from French into English, and also added additional information/citations. However, I cannot make it public for some reason. Here is a link to the draft.

If there is something wrong with it, or something I can do to get it published, please let me know! Thanks! Greerble ^{ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ} 19:40, 05 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Greerble. I have added a header to your draft so that you can submit it for review. Note that Twitter is not normally acceptable as a source - see WP:TWITTER. ColinFine (talk) 19:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Colin!

Reviewing WP:TWITTER, it seems I've used it correctly as a source in this instance. I used a tweet from the subject of the article's Twitter account to verify her date of birth, which seems like it falls under the acceptable use cases. Should I change it? I'm not sure where would be a more reliable place to find this information. Greerble ^{ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ} 20:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Greerble How does that tweet confirm she was born 1986? WP:ABOUTSELF is fine for WP:DOB, but if used, needs to be crystal clear. Also, DOB is nice to have but not necessary. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: It seems the tweet confirms her birthday but not birth year. Her age and month/year of death are listed in the first reference, so we can calculate her year of birth. GoingBatty (talk) 22:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Very well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

That would have been great, except your translation isn’t accurate and has poor grammar. .rekcufyssup (talk) 21:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello! If you had used the eyes that God gave you to read my above post, you would have noticed where I said "and also added additional information/citations." I was not interested in creating a perfect 1:1 recreation of an underwhelming French article :) Greerble ^{ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ} 23:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Greerble: If this draft becomes an article, you might want to consider making a copy of the image and cropping the other two people out of the photo, so the infobox shows a larger photo of Moore's face. GoingBatty (talk) 22:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - this is genuinely very helpful! Would I need to upload the cropped image to the

Wikimedia Commons before using it? Greerble ^{ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ} 23:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Greerble The file is on Commons and there is a very good crop tool there that can be used. It has the advantage of getting the templates for the licensing of the derivative image correct. See c:Commons:CropTool Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

.... incidentally, IMDb is not considered a reliable source as it is user-generated: see WP:IMDb. It would help if you could find alternative sources for anything where you've used it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I replaced the sources and added her IMDb page as an external link + will crop the image when I have time to get Crop Tool sorted out. Thanks for your help! Greerble ^{ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ} 22:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Which source should take precedence?

I'm currently working on the article for the R.E.M. album Reveal. The current version of the article already has citations in the album infobox next to the release date for each single. This source is a PDF scan of an issue of ARIA listing singles that were to come out that week (in this example, "Imitation of Life", which it says came out on April 16, 2001). However, in one of the band's biographies, Perfect Circle by Tony Fletcher, lists the release date for this single as April 30. Which source should take precedence? I imagine the ARIA chart might since it was from the time that the single came out, and I guess that means it’s much less likely that someone misremembered the proper date. But maybe the biography is referring to the US release date? Thoughts? Elephantranges (talk) 00:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Elephantranges: Welcome to the Teahouse! When you have a question about improving an article, I suggest that the first place you discuss it is the article's talk page, in this case Talk:Reveal (R.E.M. album). happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Help on page, Draft:Louise Breckon-Richards

link: Draft:Louise Breckon-Richards

Hello! I have had this article rejected a few times due to lack of coverage of the subject (an actress / filmmaker who has worked extensively in the arts for a few decades). She recently won awards on her latest movie however, leading to more mentions of her work. I have quite an extensive bibliography, but understand that some sources are probably better than others.

I would appreciate any help or advice people have on improving this article before I try resubmitting. If people find a great source on this person, I would of course much appreciate it too! Thank you. Artemis-red97 (talk) 00:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, the article does sound a little bit like an ad, and you chould be More specific with certain parts, e.g specifing the condotion she has that you mentioned. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Help

I am trying to Make an edit but when í publish it it does nót show. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by "does not show"? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 02:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Is nót Vísible Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but could you specify which article the problem appears on? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, it’s working now, but it’s happened before. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 03:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

That's great. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248 For future reference, you can purge the page by going to Special:Purge, punch in the article you want to purge, and click "Yes". This will force the most recent version to appear. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 04:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Best place to report promotional content, including copyvio?

Most important bit - recent re-addition of promotional content on Amitabh Kant links to an external website sharing the pdf of a published book. Where would I best report this?

Details - I've been tracking Amitabh Kant for the last couple of years and the article gets promotional content added to it every now and then. The subject is a prominent bureaucrat in India so that's to be expected. I rolled back the article to Special:Permalink/1215463709 last week of March (after starting a talk page discussion) and invited the editor to add back content with citations. They've brought back almost all of the same content - including a factually incorrect claim I had pointed out on the Talk page. The image used for the article has been taken from the subject's website and the image description says that it has been "provided directly by him for use" - suggesting again that the content is promotional material. Most of the content is of course still missing citations.

I'm at a loss. Where do I take this? Dispute resolution? Admin noticeboard? Request for protection? Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 13:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Also to add - 4 images that were added to the page previously by the same editor (not uploaded by them I think though) were deleted for copyvio.

And the page was basically attacked by sock/meatpuppets previously in a campaign to add promotional content with bad-faith behaviour. I had reported that to the sockpuppet investigation and they got removed. Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 13:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ujwal.Xankill3r: WP:COIN, if there is good reason to believe the editor is acting on behalf of the subject. Note the requirement for a prior attempt to resolve the issue; and that you must notify the editor concerned as soon as you make a report there. If there is long-term abuse, consider asking for page protection, at WP:RPP. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Image now deleted for Copyvio. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the recommendation and the image deletion. I'll follow your advice and attempt a resolution first before reporting to WP:COIN. Another editor has joined in to clean up the page so thanks to them it will be much easier. Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 04:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Attempting to create a new article

Hi! We've created a new article of our CEO here in Wikipedia. It seems to remain in the sandbox and we cannot publish it in any way. Also we're unable to upload his picture there.

Could someone assist us in doing so?

The page we're referring to is at User:Mobibank/sandbox

Thanks for any help anyone could provide! Mobibank (talk) 09:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

OP already blocked. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Rouge admin protocol?

Hi. I'm just curious if there's any protocol for when an administrator goes rogue and vandalizes Wikipedia, and when it has been used, if such protocol exists. Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi: There is: see Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures § Removal of permissions. I can't recall specific instances off the top of my head, but I know that it's been used before in cases of compromised accounts. m:Stewards can also remove permissions and lock accounts in emergencies, when nobody else is available. Tollens (talk) 09:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You might also be interested in this list. Tollens (talk) 10:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

username

How to change the username? 101.78.114.73 (talk) 10:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You're currently an IP account, which means you are not registered and therefore don't have a username. Go to Special:CreateAccount to get an account. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

When you asked the question, you did so without logging in. But perhaps you have a user ID all the same. If so, and if the user ID isn't blocked, then just create the new ID and use it. (If the old ID is blocked, don't think of creating a new ID.) 110.2.108.44 (talk) 12:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Changing username. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Fridericus-Rex-Grenadiermarsch

I made a draft on the Fridericus-Rex-Grenadiermarsch, which I saw only had German and Ukrainian versions, and I wanted to help contribute and make an English version. It was declined by Crunchydillpickle but they left me some feedback and told me to ask for help here. I would like to know how I can fix this and if you guys have any tips. I am open to constructive criticism so I can help Wikipedia. Thank you for reading my plight. ChauConlangs (talk) 21:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, simply put, your references section is an external links section and you need to find more reliable, secondary citations. The amount of citations you have and what they are at the moment is unfortunately insufficient to prove notability. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok, can I have help on finding reliable citations? Is there any Wikipedia pages that talk about how? ChauConlangs (talk) 21:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Sure, the link I put on reliable and WP:RSP should help, but really it's more of a gut feeling. If it looks like a tabloid, it's probably not reliable. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@ChauConlangs You need more reliable sources which discuss the march in detail, of which the best for this are likely to be academic ones. Google Scholar has some hits you may find useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:55, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

What is this...

Hello,

I found a page: Wikipedia:MAIN PAGE, it has dead links, such as on the word "Welcome" which brings to Welcome, newcomers. I am afraid to edit this page, as it may be an archived and not to be edited. In View History, there is only one edit from a Wikipedia user who created the page. Should this page be deleted?

Thanks,

Myrealnamm (talk to me) 12:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The page was created on April 1, 2024 and is most likely an April Fools Day prank. See WP:APRILFOOLS for more info. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I know this quirked-up layout from anywhere: this is a copy of the original Wikipedia homepage from 2001. Remsense诉 14:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I add photos to an article via IPhone?

I’m currently on my phone, and I noticed that I can’t add media. If it’s even possible, is there a way to add photos? MemeGod ._. (talk) 14:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried opening the site in your browser instead of using the app? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Yea, it still only shows “cite” and “external links” MemeGod ._. (talk) 14:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27 It sounds as if you think you add images directly from within the Wikipedia editors like the visual editor. That's not how it works. You first have to upload the files to Wikimedia Commons: see Help:Pictures for full details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I’ve already done that, I just can’t add them to a file MemeGod ._. (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27 OK, I assume you re trying to add your File:Southwest Boeing in 2024.jpg to an article. Does the visual editor work on the article with your phone and, if not, can you try the source editor? For further help, please state which article or draft you are working on and someone should be able to help further. Typical text to add will be something like [[File:Southwest Boeing in 2024.jpg|thumb|Southwest Boeing in 2024]] or just the filename if used in an infobox. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

declined article

Hello, my article was declined 2 months ago for being too short. Since then, I've added more content.

Draft:Retrieval Augmented Generation (RAG)

The review queue is too long for quick feedback. Do you think there is enough content now? Thank you. Numiri (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Numiri That's a rather technical article, so in this case I think it would be acceptable to politely ask on the talk page of the reviewer who previously declined if they could take another look, now you have considerably expanded it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello there! I've added some maintenance tags that will hopefully help guide you in improving your article so that it can pass nomination. Best of luck! Remsense诉 15:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Citing newspaper article only available on a subscription website

Is it acceptable to use a newspaper article as a source if it is ONLY available on a paid subscription website? According to Template:Cite news "Citations of online sources that require registration or a subscription are acceptable in Wikipedia". However, an edit that I made was reversed as "unreliable" because the link hits a paywall "create account" page. KaseyWallace (talk) 22:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello KaseyWallace, and welcome to the teahouse! Yes, citations which are paywalled are acceptable for Wikipedia. However, I don't think the editor in question so much cares that it's paywalled but they instead are claiming the website is unreliable within of itself, which is a separate issue. I'd advise going to the article talk page and pinging them if you'd like further clarification on their position per standard bold, revert, discuss practice. It may also get other interested editors to provide input on the matter. —Sirdog (talk) 23:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

KaseyWallace, it is not necessary to have any URL in the reference if the San Jose Mercury News does not host an online version. That newspaper is a reliable source, whether the article is printed on paper and/or available online. Just provide the most complete bibliographic information, such as the full accurate title, the author/reporter if known, the name of the paper, the date of publication, the page numbers, and so on. That's enough. Cullen328 (talk) 07:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll try it without a URL. Also posted the question on the article talk page. Unfortunately the Mercury's official NewsBank archive doesn't go back far enough. KaseyWallace (talk) 17:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

to do list

Is there a way to mark articles for personal use to look at/edit later on? i.e. I find an article that I know I could improve, but I'm busy doing something else and don't want to forget. I know I could do this manually outside of wikipedia in a number of ways, but I'm curious if there's a way that could be attached to my account. Unknowngranite (talk) 16:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think so, but there are a couple ways you can keep track of things. You can either add the page to your watchlist, open it in a tab so it's constantly sitting there and staring you down, or you can do something like I have where on my user page I have a collapsed box called my to do list. It's where I stick things I either want to make or want to improve. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Unknowngranite The easiest way, IMO, is to place links on your own userpage. Alternatively, use something like User:Unknowngranite/todolist (click to create this). Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

One question that I would usually hold back with at first because there's already a lot with the base interface to learn: are you interested in the idea of userscripts, mystified, annoyed, or not at all pleased with the idea of tweaking your interface constantly? Most people are not, but there's quite a good to-do list userscript if wants to dip their toes into such things.

Failing that—yes, people normally just keep scraps and other sundries in their userspace. Remsense诉 17:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Adding images

If the image does nót belong to you, how do you credit the owner? Blackmamba31248 (talk) 00:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

If you're trying to upload the image to Wikimedia Commons, see Commons:Licensing and commons:Special:UploadWizard and make sure that the image is under a free license. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 01:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Blackmamba31248. You may not normally upload an image unless the copyright holder has explicitly released it either into the public domain, or under a licence such as CC-BY-SA. So please don't try to do so unless one of those conditions are met (the owner's "permission" to use it in Wikipedia is not enough).

When you upload it, you will be asked for its origin. ColinFine (talk) 17:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

When Closing Your Own AfD

Quick question, When withdrawing your own AfD, should you note Your rationale in discussion, or include it in summary? Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:41, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion. Edit summaries are not easily perused—as a rule of thumb, anything that needs to be communicated to another editor should not solely exist in an edit summary. Remsense诉 18:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

sourcing

alright, i'm coming across a beautiful WP:BFDI issue with an extension of the article for Serial Experiments Lain i've been wanting to do (partially for a GA nom), and i'm trying to extend this segment, however i am having a large amount of trouble finding reliable, real sources that wouldn't make the article WP:NOR, yet the idea of having the article mention these things has been sparce. i could easily cite the real parts of these things as a primary, however that's. not GA quality. i'm stand stilling right now with the segment but I have no idea how to exactly write this. I really just want to get the 10% to nom it for a GA, but I have no idea what else could be worked on outside of some copyediting on the later segments i'll do later in the week. any tips on anything that could be done besides try and just lose my mind over having like. one source. astral ▪️ he/him ▪️ >:3 17:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Ultimately, if it's not covered by RS, it should not be in the article. If that leaves what you perceive to be a hole, then you probably did a good job. Remsense诉 18:09, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

RS covers enough just. also not enough. its basically tip of the iceberg type stuff. that's why i'm on the fence about it. I'll keep looking but I might just extend with what i've fount on JSTOR today. thnx >:3 astral ▪️ he/him ▪️ >:3 18:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Best of luck! The GA process is really rewarding for editors, I hope you get a lot out of it! Remsense诉 18:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Wrong picture on a page

How do I go about getting the correct image for an entry? The picture on Love of a Lifetime (FireHouse song) is a doodle from a child rather than a band's actual cover art.

This page has the actual single's cassette cover art: https://www.discogs.com/release/6741514-Firehouse-Love-Of-A-Lifetime/image/SW1hZ2U6MTc4MzE1Nzk=

am I allowed to pull from that?

Thanks!

Bilbohaggis (talk) 18:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

As can be seen from this Amazon.com for-sale page, Firehouse used this image for their CD release of this song. That version is clearly not taken from the image on Wikipedia, as the colors are slightly different; plus, that one is shrink-wrapped.

If Firehouse used a different image for the cassette version of the song, we can show that one as well. DS (talk) 18:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

To be more specific, that was the image on the version of the CD that was released in Japan. DS (talk) 19:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

What should I do in this situation?

Recently saw this

How do I refute statements like that? What can I warn the user for, it's not exactly vandalism... 『π』BalaM314〘talk〙 05:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:ANI, maybe? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 05:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Someone undid the edit, I indef'ed the editor. I think that covers it? DMacks (talk) 05:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@DMacks: Revdel? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

*poof* DMacks (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

BalaM314, please read Wikipedia:Deny recognition. Cullen328 (talk) 07:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Questionable article

Hello i need help with Djong (ship) this article since it contains a lot of misinformation and need fact checking, but idk how to add a template or banner to ask people to fact check it, thank you Merzostin (talk) 17:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You can add such templates pretty easily with WP:TWINKLE, which you should be able to use now. When you've got it, go back to the page, hit "TW" in the top right, then "Tag". You can add tags from there. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

okay thanks for your help, i have added the tag of "This article's factual accuracy is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please help to ensure that disputed statements are reliably sourced. (April 2024) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"

but i don't think this is quite right, since it's not just one statement, it's basically the entire page need to be fact checked, which tag should i use? or if you can help me put the best tag for this sort of page Merzostin (talk) 17:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

It seems to be the most accurate tag for what you're describing, all you need to do is specify on the talk page how much needs to be checked. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

This article seems to frequently cite its sources. Are you concerned about the reliability of said sources, or are they insufficient to cover all possible viewpoints? Could you further articulate why you think the article requires attention? Remsense诉 18:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I've now looked at your previous discourse in the article's edit summary, and if I can recommend something: whenever you add a banner, or feel like you need to "clear the air" in an edit summary, it's usually a good idea to do it in tandem with a post on the article's talk page explaining the issue so others can clearly tell. People often have issues when people put banners on articles or perennially revert the edits of others without communication on the talk page, even if they are otherwise in the right. The sooner one develops the habit of posting on the talk page whenever they feel an issue needs addressing, the smoother their editing career will likely go. Cheers! Remsense诉 18:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

i already voiced my concern on the talk page, my concern is mainly Wikipedia:Don't lie, such as deliberately using a quote out of context to mislead readers, fabricating the real content of the source.

for example, i already removed the false quote of Chinese ships, but used by the OP to legitimize and describe Javanese Djong ships in the article.

Next i also removed 2 images again presented as Javanese Djong ships, but were actually Chinese ships in the source. This definitely led me to believe that there must be more fabricated lines here passed off as it belonged to Javanese ships, I know this is prevalent in the topic that has a lot of nationalist, again shame that there is no expert on the subject, who want to fact check the entire article to make sure it's not full of hoax and misinformation. Merzostin (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I also have concerned about this, since i read one of the sources, but the source stated that because of lack of evidence in writing or painting, the author can't fully be sure of the Javanese ships vs Chinese ship, which both sailed through the same waters, although he did state that there were characteristic of earlier ship that could have better differentiate it, but that's not very concrete when it comes to ship of this age and that's about it. this was used by OP who created this article as 100% confirmation that the Chinese ships sailing or documented by foreigner was actually Javanese ships and technology (why he used images of Chinese ships), he def suppressed the part where it's highly inconclusive, while other sources he used (more credible and conclusive publication) stated that this images were def Chinese ships.

This is when it became more difficult, since there are a lot of unreliable sources, in a way that the source isn't conclusive due to lack of evidence and actual facts, and why i need help fact check it, i already fact check the easy one like the one i did remove, since that's 100% false.

@Verosaurus, this user hasn't been active since 2023. Merzostin (talk) 20:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

newspapers citations from newspapers.com?

My submission was rejected for lack of verifiable citations, yet all my citations are verifiable on newspapers.com and pgnewspapers.pgpl.ca. What more do you want? Gadavison95 (talk) 22:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Inga Andersen

@Gadavison95: I see that each citation has an error because you didn't define the |title= parameter with the title of each article, which would be helpful for verification. Could you please fix the citations? Pinging reviewer Brachy0008 for their comments. GoingBatty (talk) 22:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

also - edit conflict

I assume you are talking about Draft:Inga Andersen. I don't see that this has been resubmitted. Am I missing something?

I see that there aren't any titles for the newspaper articles. If you make clips of the article and put the article title in the clip's title box, you can get the fields populated using WP:Proveit. That's all I use anymore to create citations.

Does this help?–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I added a source on the Draft that shows the kind of referencing that allows other editors to verify the references. BBQboffin^{grill me} 23:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

PGC and The Guardian are reliable (per WP:RSP) (something i canonically missed out on), found nothing about Montreal Gazette, LDM is a tabloid newspaper so it is unreliable, more comments later Brachy08 _(Talk) 00:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the London Daily Mirror is a tabloid, and Britain's tabloids aren't at all reliable. But what they are now doesn't determine what they were over half a century ago. (What were they then? I sense that they had more respect for accuracy, but I don't claim to know.) 126.158.131.21 (talk) 00:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The kind of tabloid around the time of Andersen are called jazz journalism, or scandal sheets, which was sensationalist. Thus, tabloids around the time of her are generally unreliable in Wikipedia standards. Brachy08 _(Talk) 02:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Vancouver Province is a tabloid (unreliable), no mention of Newcastle Sunday in WP:RSP, Daily Telegraph is reliable, Evening Standard and NYDY are also tabloids (unreliable). According to WP:Notability (people), Andersen should have a significant roles or made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. The only major role cited by a reliable source is the Jack and Jill thing. So yeah, you need to cite more major roles and it should pass. Brachy08 _(Talk) 02:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Don’t worry @Gadavison95, I know you can do this! (Failed drafts are normal, I experienced that before) Brachy08 _(Talk) 02:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

And if you are thinking of nominating it for good article status, remove the tabloid sources. Brachy08 _(Talk) 03:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I took a break from what I was working on to find the articles and add the titles, but in searching newspapers.com, I am not finding articles with dates in the citations in the article.

And, it's getting confusing to sort out big blocks of content where there are a number of no-title citations. It would be much easier at this point to remove the incomplete citations and then add references where they apply.

How about if I focus on the first section to get a good start?–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

You can slowly blow it all up to improve the article. Brachy08 _(Talk) 09:35, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, that's good to know. I focused primarily on the first section about early life and education. I found more sources - besides newspapers.com - that have some interesting information, particularly what she did during World War II. I added the links under "External links" that can be used to expand the article.

I would like to start a separate section for WWII - and use the link to the International Women's Day article. Also, the link to the Prince George newspapers produces a lot more articles than newspaper.com, including a couple more from the year of her death.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Gadavison95. In addition to what's been posted above, the image you uploaded of Andersen to Commons to use in the infobox of the draft is most certainly not your own work and you shouldn't be claiming it as such; so, I've tagged it for speedy deletion. It's possible that image could be in the WP:PUBLICDOMAIN because of its date of first publication, but you should ask about it at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright to see if that's the case; otherwise, it will need to be deleted from Commons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

There are some better pictures in newspaper articles. If there's no free image, this could be loaded onto Wikipedia (not commons) under Non-free use rationale since it would be depicting a deceased person.–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I have not found any free images. I found this image at the top left of the page and saved it. I can upload it in Wikipedia as a non-free use image (historical significance of a deceased person, just for the infobox) if you like. I am not sure, but I think I cannot do that until it's an article, not as a draft.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Just to close the loop on this discussion, the draft has been updated, moved to article space, and an image added.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Table placement

Hello!

In this section WebSocket#Base Framing Protocol I made a "Frame Types" table and my idea was to place it below the "Frame Structure" table, everything aligned to the right of the page, but it doesn't look right. Dewycube (talk) 20:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Nervermind I found another solution. Dewycube (talk) 21:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Are people at a university laboratory faculty?

Armen Sarvazyan organized the Laboratory of Biomolecular Acoustics at Rutgers University. Not finding that he was a professor specifically. Would it be appropriate to categorize him as faculty? Or something more general like Rutgers University people? Flurrious (talk) 16:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Staff would be appropriate in general. Faculty is often, but not always, used to refer to people who teach courses. A staff member could support or conduct research. 47.54.38.15 (talk) 22:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Undo Edits on Poo Bear

Hello,

Could someone help me undo edits on Poo Bear? There's a ton of edits from 2a01:cb05:8078:c000:159e:a5e6:6fc1:e21e. I know that I am not supposed to (and not possibly to) delete intermediate edits, so I am looking for some advice. Thank you! Myrealnamm (talk to me) 13:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Most (or maybe all) edits from this IP user appear to be vandalism, for example, the References section of the article was moved into a table (which is clearly vandalism). I have given them a {{subst:uw3}} but they did not seem to take it seriously. Myrealnamm (talk to me) 13:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm, thanks for pointing that out! I've rollbacked all of their edits as they were quite disruptive. I've also warned them on their talk page. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cocobb8I noticed another user that is making repetitive changes to a different article: 103.99.218.105. Could you take a look? Also, the edits were on different dates. Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 15:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm, the last 3 edits on the page aren't obvious vandalism, so I couldn't rollback those. If you want, you can edit the article as you see fit, but there isn't anything that'd make it possible to rollback those edits for vandalism. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 18:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 22:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

View reduced on impact section

I don't know why it's happening but in my user homepage, whenever I sees my impact section,each time it produces different numbers of views.last time it was 209.6K and now 600 only.why does this happens.--KEmel49 (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@KEmel49, the number seems to be the total of the views of the five articles on the "most viewed (since your edit)" list. And on my page that list seems to vary randomly and the total views thus changes up and down randomly. StarryGrandma (talk) 02:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I insert the boxes for description on my account page?

Hello everybody, I am a new user. Can I ask the question in the title to everybody? Thanks! Ross10201 (talk) 03:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I believe you're looking for userboxes. See the page I linked for more info. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

AfC submissions

AFC submissions are a very lengthy procedure, can you recommend some way quick for publishing of article Misbah Haider (talk) 11:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The purpose of AfC is to make sure new articles meet Wikipedia's quality standards, and since you're a relatively new editor, it's strongly recommended to go through the AfC process with article drafts first and gain experience on the article creation process. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 11:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Especially since the article in question was re-draftified for issues. It's a long process in part because good work is a long process. Remsense诉 11:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You mean we should wait for 2 months to get our article published Misbah Haider (talk) 11:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

It's a volunteer process. Volunteers review many articles every day, and no one is required to specifically review yours, nor to accept it onto the site if it is unacceptable, which it was when it was draftified, Remsense诉 11:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Up to 2 months, not exactly 2 months. For example, my article draft was turned into an article after less than a day (Millennia (video game)), when a volunteer reviewer accepted it as it met the quality standards. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 11:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Wow that's really great, actually my article was lacking just one credible resource for Award received by the person therefore, was sent to draft to calmly make some little changes Misbah Haider (talk) 11:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Then there should be no trouble when a reviewer comes along. Best of luck! Remsense诉 11:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry one more question that if AFC is for reviewing then why the option of move for draft to article is available Misbah Haider (talk) 12:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Because experienced editors may choose to bypass the AfC process if they have constantly created quality articles. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 12:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for helping around, both of you. Misbah Haider (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 12:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Misbah Haider Do you have a particular need for a speedy review? You said "we should wait"; who is "we"? 331dot (talk) 14:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Talked as a general thing that does everyone one has to wait that long for publishing of his or her article. Misbah Haider (talk) 16:55, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Misbah Haider, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Ungortunately, because Wikipedia is "the encyclopaedia anybody can edit", lots of people think this means "the encyclopaedia where anything goes, and I can put up whatever I think would be good". In the early days, this was more or less true, as a result of which we have thousands and thousands of dreadful articles, which should never have been accepted in the form they were written, and in many cases should never have been accepted at all.

Ideally, somebody would go through those thousands and thousands of articles, improving them or deleting them; but because we are a volunteer project, where people work on what they choose, this does not happen very much. (A particular reason is that the most fundamental failing of most of those thousands of articles is that they do not have adequate sources of suitable quality, and finding sources is often the most time consuming and difficult part of creating an article).

Today, we get dozens of submissions every day from people who have not spent a significant time learning how Wikipedia works, but have plunged straight into this extremely challenging task. (And yes, you are one of these, I'm afraid).

My advice to a new editors is always to spend several months making improvements to existing articles before even trying to create a new article. Once you have learned about core principles such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, so that you appreciate what the task of creating a new article actually involves, then is the time to try it.

Experienced users are able to move their drafts to main space when they wish. (In my view, the ability to do so is set much too early in their career). But I would advise that anybody who has not yet had several articles accepted should not do this, but should put submit it for review. Unfortunately, this may take some time (though the actual time is unpredictable), and editors can find this frustrating. But having your article returned to draft (which also often happens) is equally frustrating.

I know this is not what you want to hear; but our aim is that Wikipedia be as reliable as we can make it. ColinFine (talk) 17:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Misbah Haider Draft:Chen-Yu Sheu needed a lot of work, and still not clear if the refs provided establish notability. You can continue to work on it while waiting for a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 04:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Watchlist

My watchlist is blank. It didn't show any updates. Plz help BlackOrchidd (talk) 05:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@BlackOrchidd,

You can go there,you might get your answer there.Sincerely--KEmel49 (talk) 05:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

On {{lang}}, {{translit}}, {{IPA}} etc.

I am frankly very confused by the morass of templates that have to do with displaying language text, transliterations, translations, and pronunciations, and I can't find any set of consistent directions on when to use what where (and why, and sometimes how). Can someone explain:

1. My most pressing question: is there a single template that will show text, transliteration, transliteration standard, translation, and pronunciation?
2. When to use: {{lang}} vs. {{lang-x}} (e.g. {{lang-es}}, {{lang-zh}})? And why does the latter permit translation and transliteration but not the former?
3. When to use {{langnf}} vs.{{lang-x}} with the translation parameter vs. {{lit}}/{{gloss}}?
4. Why does {{translit}} even exist if {{lang-x}} has all of its fields?
5. Why does {{IAST}} exist if {{translit}} exists?
6. When to use {{IPA}} vs {{respell}}, or if you're supposed to use both, how to compose them? For example, do you put one first, or the other, and what punctuation, if any, separates them?
7. Why does {{Audio-IPA}} exist if {{IPA}} already has an audio file parameter?

These are just the questions that occur to me as I write this, but frankly not more than 2-3 days go by before I find myself confused as to how to use these templates and a new question occurs to me, and I am sure there are questions I am leaving out here. If there is some unified policy on this please link. Brusquedandelion (talk) 10:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft

How do you change a draft’s title? Blackmamba31248 (talk) 01:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

See Help:How to move a page and move the draft into another draft with a different name. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 01:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, Blackmamba31248. CanonNi is right about how to do it; but it is usually not worth worrying about the precise title of a draft, because when a reviewer accepts it, they'll move it to the appropriate title in mainspace. ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

egyptian arabic link

the egyptian arabic wikipedia link on the main page is bugged and hard to click on (im on desktop mode if that helps) Gaismagorm (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gaismagorm,

Provide the URL of Egyptian wikipedia here.--KEmel49 (talk) 22:55, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

It's not just you, I can barely click it on PC. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The URL on the mainpage is [2] and it is working fine for me. RudolfRed (talk) 22:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

In desktop mode this link is working fine.--KEmel49 (talk) 23:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

its less the link and more the fact that its hard to click on. its only clickable if the mouse is in just the right position. also for @KEmel49KEmel49 I can confirm that the link that RudolfRed provided is correct, and can be found on the bottom of the page in the languages section. Gaismagorm (talk) 23:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

it should be the first link in the 1,000,000 articles section Gaismagorm (talk) 23:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

For me, Egypt is second link in that section. First link is Arabic (AR) Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 23:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

thats odd, wonder why it's different for me. Gaismagorm (talk) 11:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Article

Hello everyone I have added my first article on Wikipedia with appropriate guideline I need your suggestion if I have followed the proper guidelines or not can you please check my article Draft:Bhargavi Kumari Mewar and help me HimeshAudichya10 (talk) 08:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi. I don't mean to disappoint you but the article draft you linked definitely does not meet the appropriate guidelines. It feels like a blatant promotion. I would strongly recommend reading Help:Your first article first. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 08:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the response i will go through the same can HimeshAudichya10 (talk) 08:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Bhargavi Kumari Mewar has no references and is not formatted in Wikipedia style. See WP:BLP and WP:GNG and WP:42 for some guidance on how to structure and reference a draft. The article about Arvind Singh Mewar, her father, has problems, but gives you some idea how to structure a draft. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

How to access my main page?

This might sound dumb, but I have been active for this entire year so far, (2024) and I still have no idea how to access my main page. I previous was able to go there via a redirection when I was blocked to appeal my case, but I'm not getting a pop-up saying I can't edit a certain page. I would appreciate some help on that. 136.33.182.23 (talk) 00:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you clarify what you're referring to?

You don't have a user page because you're an IP user. If you're looking for your talk page, just click the (talk) link after your IP address. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 00:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Please clarify "I was blocked". If you are still blocked, then you should not be editing except to appeal your block.

In any case, supposing "FredXXX" was your user name, the place where you (presumably) went to appearl your block is User talk:FredXXX (That is a red-link, of course, because I made the username up).

It would help us to help you if you told us what was your user name. ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The mobile site has a menu on a hamburger button at the top left. If you are logged in then it includes a link to your user page. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Uhhh... Help, my edit screen is like this, and I can't get it off

Screenshot of my screen

Starixxgamerrix (talk) 04:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

it didn't work.... why??? I was trying to put photo proof, and ofc... I did not work.... this is not helping.. Starixxgamerrix (talk) 04:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I've fixed your OP to show the image. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

thx! Starixxgamerrix (talk) 04:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

That looks like the wikiEd interface. I believe you can disable it in your preferences. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 04:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I did not realized that was turned on. I turned it off, Ty! Starixxgamerrix (talk) 05:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Np. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 05:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Starixxgamerrix: If wikEd is enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets then there is a pencil icon at the top right of edit pages to disable or enable it on the current edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sources into....

...articles:

• Source 1: Alien Agendas, written by Richard Dolan, ISBN 9798557741590. Describes more aliens, including a NEW one called a Mantis, looks like a humanoid version of a praying mantis wearing a Jedi-like robe as seen by Alien Abductees. States that these aliens, incl. Non-Earth Humans and other aliens are pursuing some kind of agenda, with ONE alien type pursuing a agenda that threatens Humanity.
• Source 2: This is Cosmic Voyage, written by Courtney Brown, PH.D., ISBN 0-525-94098-7. In this, the author said that he has remote viewed aliens, Mars, alien abductions, Earth's current civilization being destroyed and what is left will be like that seen in the Mad Maxx franchise, some kind of political entity similar to the Federation of Planets of Star Trek, and the like.

How do I turn these into articles? Appreciate the help. Four of Sixteen (talk) 07:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, are you trying to create articles about the books or cite the books in articles? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 07:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

You appear to be using another account here User:Aliens' Probes as well, can you explain? 08:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:TUTORIAL may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Alread disclosed. The Aliens' PROBES account is listed on my user page as Terminated' due to a fatal glitch that threw me out every time I logged in. It is [No longer in use at all], due to the glitch. As to the other question oan the sources, I intend to place these in the appropriate articles as sources and as articles as well. As stated in one of these, a Mantis is some kind of insect alien people has reportedencountering. Imagine that YOU had encountered this alien on a UFO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Four of Sixteen (talk • contribs) 09:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait... So you want to create articles based on speculative analysis books about insect aliens? '''[[rjUser:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Only where appropriate, like what is in certain articles about aliens in general, such as the one about the Grey aliens, also seen with this insect alien in some cases. In one of the cases mentioned, a USMC detachment had contact with reptilian aliens as well, and in the other book, supposedly a asteroid came close to hitting Mars, only that it stripped the planet of its atmosphere to a large degree instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Four of Sixteen (talk • contribs) 09:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not trying to sound rude or anything but this sounds a lot like a fringe theory. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Not rude, etc. at all. Can a PH.D.(Doctor) put out anything like that, only to have people say that he is not a nut, but a doctor who remote viewed aliens. The Doctorate sure adds a LOT of credibility. Reminds me of Dr. Mack, another doc who allegedly dealt with alien matters. I have no idea what Richard Dolan is, other than being on the radio and the books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Four of Sixteen (talk • contribs) 10:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Got old, phone acting up. Four of Sixteen (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Alien Agendas is "independently published". It is therefore not a reliable source, and should not be cited anywhere.

Cosmic Voyage is published by Hodder, a reputable publisher, and so may be cited as appropriate. It is nevertheless clearly WP:FRINGE. ColinFine (talk) 11:12, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Your second source is covered at Courtney Brown (social scientist). What more is there to say? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Note: OP blocked for suckpuppetry. (See investigation)

Creating new category

Hello people of Teahouse,
I would like to create new category: W: Category:Natura 2000 in Lithuania. There are similar categories for other countries W: Category:Natura 2000 in Denmark, W: Category:Natura 2000 in Belgium, W: Category:Natura 2000 in Finland and others.

How could I create a new category?
I don't understand the instructions here – Commons:How to create new categories or subcategories.

 Frequently.by.train (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Frequently by train. The instructions you have linked to (I assume you meant C:Commons:How to create new categories or subcategories) are for creating categories in Commons, which is a separate project. Try WP:CREATECAT. ColinFine (talk) 16:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

What are the notability guidelines for use of a symbol?

I am trying to add a section to the Zeta page for the ζ use in the Zoophile#Zoophile community. I have been challenged that this does not meet the notability guidelines. Does it need too? While I can some secondary references to the German advocacy group, most of those only reference Zeta by name, not the actual zeta symbol. While the group's philosophy may be considered fridge, this only deals with the group itself, not the message of the group. This seems partly to do with the taboo nature of the group, and partly to do with the lack of adoption of using non-Latin characters in articles. Also, I see that it is inconsistent that scientific uses are listed without any references or links to other Wikipedia articles. My current though is that use of the zeta (and other named symbols) is acceptable to reference if the actual symbol (ζ) is being used and not just the spelled out name "Zeta". The notability guidelines indicate what is needed for a separate page on an article, but not what the standard is for a inclusion as a use (in popular culture). Subanark (talk) 15:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Subanark. All information in a Wikipedia article should be available in a reliable published source - and, preferably, that source should be cited.

At present, neither ζ nor "Zeta" occurs in the article Zoophily, so it is not appropriate for Zeta to link to it.

If you have a reliable source for the use of ζ or Zeta to refer to the community, then add that information to Zoophily, and possibly (with citation) to Zeta. ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Color violation maintenance template

Hi ! Can you tell me the maintenance template for color violation? For example: If any article's section have an issue of color then at that case which maintenance template will be used.Fade258 (talk) 16:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Fade258: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1221. The two closest templates I found that seem to match what you're looking for are {{overcolored}} and {{cleanup colors}}. Do either of those work? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tenryuu:, Thank you. I got my answer through you. Fade258 (talk) 16:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Question

As far as you know, is there anything like UTRS on it.wiki? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 10:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Your question is unclear. Have you read UTRS? Is there something there you don't understand? Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

It seems a perfectly clear question to me, Shantaviraj: Does Italian Wikipedia have something like UTRS? Unfortunately, I don't know the answer. ColinFine (talk) 11:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Ah. So "it.wiki" is an abbreviation for "the Italian Wikipedia". I'm not familiar with the Italian Wikipedia but I will know in future.Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 14 novembre. I don't know the answer, but does it:Aiuto:Richiesta di revisione del blocco help at all? ColinFine (talk) 12:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine Unfortunately no, because the procedure is valid only for accounts blocked after 12 March 2024, when it was introduced. See also this. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 13:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre: Try asking on it:Discussioni Wikipedia:Ambasciata (where you may post in English) or it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni (in Italian). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't being indefinitely blocked. Anyway thanks for your answer. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 14:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing (Anyway I am Italian, so I don't need somewhere where I can post in English). Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 14:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre: Answers here are available (perpetually, in archives) for any editor to refer to. As to being locked, I suggest you email one of the admins who are active on the former page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing Unfortunately, I haven't indicated an email. Is there any other way of entering I'm contact? Could I notify an it.wiki administrator on their talk page here? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 17:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Creating my first article, subpages, drafts

Hi Teahouse. I think Wikipedia is missing something notable. I'm going to practice in my sandbox first. Can I create a draft in my sandbox that can be eventually submitted as a draft article? I don't want to have to start from scratch again... maybe I can just copy and paste...? I haven't created a subpage. Do I need to do that? Saimoncole (talk) 20:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Saimoncole: Yes, you can work on a draft in your sandbox. When it is ready to submit for review, add this to the top of the page: {{subst:submit}} RudolfRed (talk) 20:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Saimoncole (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Saimoncole: If you haven't done so already, please review Help:Your first article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I messed up software version on the article Microsoft Edge

Hi there,

I was trying to update the software versions for Microsoft Edge on Wikidata, so I added newer versions and set older versions as "normal rank" instead of "preferred ranks". And then, when I went back to the article, the area was gone. I went to source editing and saw the code, but it was hard to understand. Could someone help me? Thanks,

Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 17:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Here is the article: Microsoft Edge Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 17:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm welcome to Teahouse. Wikidata and Wikipedia interactions are complex. You can ask technical questions at WP:VPT as well. References inside the infobox is P348, which refers to Wikidata Property 348 d:Property:P348. I don't quite understand what area means here. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

User is following me around to undo edits

There is a user who makes promotional changes to virtual exchnage wiki (Virtual exchange), which I have deleted a few times. It now appears that this user is following me around and undoing edits. This seems rather disruptive. What kind of action can I take to stop this behaviour? 12Zebras (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@12Zebras: It's been almost a month since that user's last edit and they appear to edit very infrequently (7 edits in the last 3 years). I would not worry about it. If it happens again, you should discuss with them on their talk page. Tollens (talk) 10:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

You have been removing referenced content from Virtual exchange since October 2023 and more than one editor have reverted your deletions. You started an effort to have a discussion on the Talk page of the article but that has not yet initiated debate on consensus. That is the proper place to continue. David notMD (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Separately, you and User:Marcuslim 88 have had an an exchange of what is correct capitalization at List of family name affixes. A good-faith disagreement is not "malicious". Take it up at that article's Talk page. I do see that at that list, all the prefixes are capitalized, with the exception now that you have de-capitalized the Dutch prefixes. David notMD (talk) 11:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

The reversions on the Virtual exchange page are probably in good faith, I agree, I just thought it was strange they would reverse my changes on the capitalization of Dutch surnames. For an account that has hardly any activity this seemed out of place. I'll make sure to put it on the talk page in the future. As for the capitalization of Dutch prefixes, Dutch surnames do not have capitilized prefixes, see for instance the spelling of Carice van Houten's name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carice_van_Houten 12Zebras (talk) 19:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I suppose that's fair, just seemed a little out of place that they would revert a change on Dutch surnames, but I'll dicuss it on their talk page if it continues. 12Zebras (talk) 18:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Is this song eligible for an article?

I want to write an article for "Someday" by OneRepublic from Human, but I don't know if there are a sufficient amount of sources or charts to constitute an article. Are there? It charted better than "Better Days" on the Adult Contemporary and Adult Pop Airplay and that song got an article. Rockboy1009 (talk) 18:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Rockboy1009, and welcome to the Teahouse. Charts don't help: you might add citations to them as primary sources after you've got an article, but you need to start with places where people wholly unconnected with the band have chosen to write at some length about the song. Each source that you find should meet the criteria in golden rule, and if you can't find at least three such, then I'm afraid that it probably doesn't satisfy the criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 19:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rockboy1009: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can see that someone started an article at this Old revision of Someday (OneRepublic song), but it's now a redirect. Could some of the references at Human (OneRepublic album) and/or Better Days (OneRepublic song) be also used for an article for "Someday"? GoingBatty (talk) 21:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

new Wikipedia listing

Ho do I submit a subject/info for Wikipedia? Sweetlaura (talk) 22:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sweetlaura, welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to attempt writing an article yourself, you should carefully review and follow the instructions at Help:Your first article (going through the Tutorials might also be very helpful, just to get a basic idea of how Wikipedia editing works). If you simply want to leave a suggestion, we have WP:RA where you can follow the instructions to leave a post, but there's no guarantee anyone will ever pick up on it. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 22:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

What template to be use in case of COI

If an editor acknowledged that he/she has a connection to the article (BLP), what kind of template should be put on header? I know we have Template:Connected contributor for talk pages. What about article itself? Sincerely, Aredoros87 (talk) 22:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm... Can I see the article, so I can determine whether it a connected contributor or something? Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sure, here's the talk page of that article. You can see (on top) that the editor disclosed his/her connection already Aredoros87 (talk) 22:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

here is the evidence

I saw the talk page and the article, I saw this one comment on it from years ago, and it said much dubious content. I guess that this user commented on the talk page saying that the article itself is misinformented. Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Aredoros87, welcome to the Teahouse. It's not required to add any sort of template to the article itself. If and only if there are identifiable problems with the article which you cannot quickly fix yourself, you can add {{COI}}, but you should then go and make a post on the talk page pointing out the specific problems. See the template documentation for detailed instructions. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 22:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikimood

How do you get the template Wikimood on your user page? I tried many options and still have not found a solution. I have seen the Wikimood thing on other userpages, I was thinking maybe I can put that on my userpage. I have tried looking for it, and I always get the no result, so can someone to help? Thanks! Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Starixxgamerrix, welcome to the Teahouse. Here - {{WM}} - is a link to the template documentation, which explains what to place on your user page and what all the parameters mean, with an example setup. Does that help at all? 57.140.16.57 (talk) 22:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, ty Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Newcomer Writing His First Wiki Page

Hi,

This is my first time in the Teahouse. I've been thinking to write/correct some articles. I have this hesitation to not write anything. How did you overcome this problem in your early wikipedia days? Knowledgeelephant (talk) 19:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you really do get over that hesitation as you're always learning new stuff on Wikipedia, but there are things that will at least make you feel more confident. We don't often recommend making your first article as your 7th edit after all.

What we do recommend however is that you head over to the task hub, where you can find such things as citation hunting. Citation hunting will teach you how to do quite possibly the most important thing on Wikipedia, how to cite things and what to use as citations. WP:RS, WP:RSP and WP:CITE will come in handy for this.

Another thing that'll help you for when you're feeling ready to start an article is WP:BACKWARDS. This is why I suggest that you do citation hunting early into your career, so you know that working backwards is an absolutely terrible idea and will only result in hours of work getting canned. This is a very common trap for new editors.

As for thinking about correcting articles, first, citation hunting. Good stuff. Second, be bold. The worst that could happen is that your edits get reverted or you get trouted, so what? Most editors experience either of these things at least once, it's almost like a rite of passage.

Another thing you can do as the step between making corrections to articles and making your own articles is to find a WikiProject that you like the look of, then find their start or stub class articles. These are the lowest rungs on Wikipedia's ratings ladder, and are in need of a lovely editor such as yourself to fix them. Find yourself a start or a stub to adopt, then get to work improving it.

Just as an aside, Wikipedia also has a Discord server, so if you're looking for some quick help you can always head there. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

These are encouraging words. Thank you! Knowledgeelephant (talk) 07:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Knowledgeelephant You may be interested in reading the "interviews" with experienced editors about their early experiences, now collected at User:Clovermoss/Editor reflections. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Yep I read. I have my own story related to this wiki journey. Thanks! Knowledgeelephant (talk) 07:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I reccomond using the Sandbox if this is your first time. But, you do need to get over your fear. If you do Make a mistake, rember, it is nót vandalism. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Why does wikipedia make me so upset?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Closing this discussion since it's moving quickly beyond of the scope of the Teahouse and starting to feel a bit like there's some trolling going on; in addition, Wikipedia is not and has never been intended to be a form of therapy and Wikipedia Teahouse Hosts aren't really intended to be life coaches. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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I swear going on this site is like a landmine. There's so many things that get me upset and I spiral and feel horrible afterwards. I'm aware of the warning site-wide but I have nowhere else to go. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 20:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Stick to topics you know are safe? Zaathras (talk) 20:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I try to but even there people talk about things that make me upset. A LOT of things make me upset. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 00:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Try Reddit. Zaathras (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow: Hi there! Looking at your contributions, I don't see that you've edited any articles or drafts, and only engaged in one conversation last summer. You're the only one who will be able to answer your question. When I get upset with Wikipedia, I turn off the computer and go do something else. GoingBatty (talk) 21:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I don’t have anything else to do. I just lay in bed all day every day and be on my phone, but I don’t have anywhere to go on my phone WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 00:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow Hi! Welcome to the Teahouse! I have two answers to your question, 1. take a wikibreak, that is what I would do when I'm getting upset about Wikipedia, 2. I'm agreeing to what @GoingBatty said, just take some time off and maybe go do something else. Thanks for letting me answer your question! Starixxgamerrix (talk) 21:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I don’t have anywhere else to go and nothing else to do. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 00:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Replacing old crowns with new Tudor Crown in British logos

Many articles on Wikipedia are using old crowns on logos which have since adopted the tudor crown. British Armed Forces and Army Cadet Force to name just two. However, some have adopted the new crown such as Gov.uk. As I understand it the OGL does not tend to cover logos but somehow the old versions of these logos ended up on wiki commons. Does this mean we can replace them with the new logos? AWN08 (talk) 00:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@AWN08: Welcome to the Teahouse! I hope comparing the copyright information at commons:File:MinistryofDefence.svg to the copyright notices in the current logos will help to answer your question. If not, commons:Commons:Help desk will be able to answer your question about what can and cannot be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Proper Citation Styling for images in the Wikimedia Commons

Hi, new editor here. Is any additional styling on a Wikipedia article necessary for image attribution regarding an image that is licensed as Creative Commons ShareAlike in Wikimedia Commons besides the link in the image (do I need to include an attribution in the photos caption on the Wikipedia article?) Thank you. Deterministics (talk) 03:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Deterministics: Hi there! The attribution goes with the file on Wikimedia Commons, not in the Wikipedia article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

How to move an article from my User sandbox to the main space

I've completed an article in my Sandbox with full links,citations, references but I don't have a "Move" tab to put it up - where have I gone wrong?

Preferences say I am auto confirmed and I've been registered since October 2022 and made 66 edits

Help please, thank you

Mornington Glory (talk) 11:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, pardon my previous message that was in error. The "move" button may be in a drop down menu, but even if you are technically able to move the draft yourself, unless you have experience with getting drafts accepted, it's a good idea(though not required) to use the submission process so that other eyes see it and can point out issues before the draft is formally part of the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much - can't believe I thought I had checked all the drop down menus.

The article has been read by a couple of experienced Wiki editors and I did work on another submission which has stayed up Thanks Mornington Glory (talk) 12:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

User:Mornington Glory/sandbox now has a Submit option. Before doing so, remove the hyperlinks from the Lead. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sentences such as "There was no internet for people to find out their rights in those days." need to be excised. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks David - a bit puzzled by your request I delete the sentence "There was no internet for people to find out their rights in those days." Grass Roots closed in 1990, I think the internet at that stage was purely an academic /not open access system. If I added to the sentence something along the lines -" It was much more difficult to access information in those pre internet days would that work. I think the point about access to information is important. Mornington Glory (talk) 12:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

It is original research, we can't use comments like that unless they are attributed to a reliable source.Theroadislong (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, what I meant about the sentence is that it is/was your personal observation, not attributed to any reference. Review all of your content to remove your thoughts stated in Wikipedia's 'voice'. David notMD (talk) 04:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

How to create a table by combining other smaller tables?

Hello everyone

Hope you're enjoying tea.

I'm excited and happy to arrive at Teahouse.

There is a list of all municipal corporations in India. But the issue is, the tables are separated by states(there are 28 states in India). The issue here is, I can't sort all the tables to get insights on the country level. Like - which is the oldest municipal corp in India, which municipal corp has the largest area, population, etc.

What I want is to create a combined table, where all municipal corporations are added. I can easily do that by creating a table and copying it, but I don't think that's a good solution. As it would be hard to maintain them and information might diverge after a few edits. Basically, redundant information is hard to keep in sync.

What is the solution?

Is there any magic function to extract rows from individual table and use it in a separate table?

I've seen extracting the entire table itself to be use in different article(I guess it's called transclusion, example), but haven't seen any example for extracting rows.

Looking forward to your suggestions. Rollingkrishna (talk) 13:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

There could be a WP:TEMPLATE that contains the full actual table, but that takes a parameter to select a single state if desired. So {{Municipal corporations in India table}} gives the whole thing, and {{Municipal corporations in India table|Andhra Pradesh}} gives just the rows for that one. DMacks (talk) 14:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

So, there is not a ready to use for this? If yes, I'll look into, how to create a custom template. Thanks. Rollingkrishna (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Oops. I meant

So, there is not a ready to use solution for this? Rollingkrishna (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing how this way of presenting the information is going to be of value to Wikipedia, @Rollingkrishna. If it's information you want, it might be better just to extract all the information from the existing tables and process them outside Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 15:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Besides information, the sortable table also provides basic insights. I can process it outside, but it would be better if every reader can also do it. If by simple layout changes we can provide both - info and insights, I think that's a good thing, right.

Although for this article, this might not be of great value to Wikipedia, but this is a generic problem. I had this exactly same problem a few more time. Basically, it's just opposite of transclusion. In transclusion you fetch data from parent table, here, I was looking for the opposite.

Thanks anyway. I'd love to convert it into a large table some day. Rollingkrishna (talk) 15:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rollingkrishna: I have done it [3] at List of municipal corporations in India#Sortable table but we don't usually do this. It may be reverted, and it easily breaks if somebody changes something without checking the effect on the large table. The risk increases if it's on a separate page so I placed it on the same page where it's also easier to fix problems. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Woahh. Thanks for the demo. But yeah, it looks odd, even to me. There should be just one representation of data, not both. Also, it makes editing process complicated. Rollingkrishna (talk) 06:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

4chan raiding on the history of chairs

4chan's /pol/ has begin raiding the history of chairs removing information about chairs in africa saying they didn't have any. Is their any way I can stop this or a mod can ? also They keep spamming the talks with racism is there any way to stop this too?

this is proof of them doing it https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/462833613/#462834615 Developed it entirely (talk) 10:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm watching the talk page and have already blocked two editors; I'd suggest raising this issue at WP:ANI, this board is more geared towards helping new users edit, not reporting issues. 331dot (talk) 10:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Nan Nan / Naminan - Cynometra cauliflora - fruit

Dear Readers Cannot find any information on benefits of Nan Nan / Naminan - Cynometra cauliflora - fruit. Hope, our Wiki readers forum can assist in providing some information of this fruit. We consume this fruit in Sri Lanka but I was unable to get its benefits.

Thank you readers for your attention on the above. Trevor Trevor Dole (talk) 07:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

​Hi Trevor, it looks like there is an article on this plant, see Cynometra cauliflora. I'm not certain what you mean by 'benefits', do you mean you are looking for nutritional information, or something else entirely? Tollens (talk) 07:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Trevor Dole,

I guess you are looking for benefits of eating that plant or something like that.wikipedia is not a place for that,you rather search that in search engines.--KEmel49 (talk) 09:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Trevor Dole, you can try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Many plant parts and extracts have claimed health benefits. (See Red yeast rice, Garlic, Ginseng...). What is required are references that are review articles published in reputable science journals. The article Cynometra cauliflora has two references which suggest there may be research on health benefits, but not very informative. The place to search is Pubmed at https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ David notMD (talk) 10:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Table column width

I created a table on this page and am wondering if I can edit the columns Title and Star Wars Year so that the contents have more room. I looked at WP table how-to pages and haven't found them helpful, partly because I'm a wikitext novice. Wafflewombat (talk) 23:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: Hi there! Per Help:Table/Width#CSS width on table header cell, I updated those columns of the table with different values of style=width: GoingBatty (talk) 01:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 02:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

One question, though: Can fixed widths for columns create display issues for some users? I think one of the help pages mentioned that. Wafflewombat (talk) 03:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: {{nowrap}} around selected text gives better control and can avoid wasted space. The table has a text-heavy column which can become very long (dozens of lines in some cells) on narrow screens like smartphones so I would avoid code which doesn't allow other columns to be narrow. You could still use nowrap for some things like Between {{nowrap|0 BBY}} and {{nowrap|3 ABY}}. This avoids line breaks in "0 BBY" and "3 ABY" but still allows a narrow column on narrow screens. If you use long titles like earlier then it could say {{nowrap|Star Wars}}: {{nowrap|Episode IV}} – {{nowrap|A New Hope}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I really appreciate the reply, but since I'm a wikitext novice, I don't understand most of what you said. Wafflewombat (talk) 12:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

If it's not too much trouble, could you make the edits you suggested, and then I can look at the result? I learn wikitext better when someone shows me by example rather than explaining how to do it. Wafflewombat (talk) 12:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

My article has been placed under a speedy deletion tag. I really do not know what I did wrong

User:Jaejuddyboogie Jaejuddyboogie (talk) 22:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jaejuddyboogie. I can't see the deleted page, as I am not an admin; but please see WP:UP for what you may and may not put on your user page.

If you were attempted to create a draft of a Wikipedia article, then your User page is not a suitable location. Please see your first article. ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

ColinFine, hurry up and become an admin, already! -- Hoary (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hoary, why would I want to the keys to the mop cupboard? ColinFine (talk) 09:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! i understand now. Jaejuddyboogie (talk) 13:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1221. According to the deletion log for User:Jaejuddyboogie, it was deleted under the speedy deletion criterion of U5: misuse of Wikipedia as a web host. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Jaejuddyboogie, I'm surprised that Fastily deleted the page with this reason. It seems to me to be straightforwardly a misplaced article draft (about a fellow named Kunle Falayi). As such, it has its faults; but then virtually all drafts (and of course a large percentage of articles) have faults. Perhaps Fastily -- who of course might just have been tired and inattentive at the time (as I have, at various times) -- would consider resurrecting and moving this draft. -- Hoary (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Jaejuddyboogie, I've moved the draft to User:Jaejuddyboogie/sandbox, because it looks like a draft, it's not overtly promotional, and Fastily neither beat me to it nor objected. (No complaints here about Fastily, of course: people can and do disappear from Wikipedia for weeks, let alone hours.) Good luck working on the draft. -- Hoary (talk) 02:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Jaejuddyboogie (talk) 11:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Page numbers

In Emancipation Proclamation, under the heading "Political impact," there were recently several attached to footnote numbers. They were all to citations to the book Copperheads, by Jennifer Weber. I have a copy of the book and tried to put in the page numbers correctly, but I have spent more time on this than I am willing to devote to it. The problem is in the multiple footnote 110s. The last three footnote 110s under "Political impact" now are followed by page 69, which is correct. But within them they also say page 64, and I don't know how to get rid of "page 64" in those three footnote 110s. Previous footnote 110s correctly have "page 64," so I can't take it out of them. Would someone please fix this. I am too exhausted with it to want to learn how. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

You need to create two different citations or, if you'd rather not bother, add "64 and 69" to the pages parameter. I've struggled with this before so I know how frustrating it is. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

By "add '64 and 69' to the pages parameter," do you mean to remove "page 64" from the footnote 110s where it is correct and replace it with ":64" on the outside, as I put ":69" on the outside of the three last footnote 110s? If that's what you mean, then I should have thought of it myself. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't know whether you use the visual editor or the source editor, but on the visual editor you can go into the citation and decide what you want to be in there. One of the parameters is "Page(s)" and another is "Page". What I've done on the page currently is turn the citation into two separate ones by copy/pasting all of the information from the 110 citation and putting it into a new citation, 112. The only change between the two is using the the "Page" parameter and setting each to 64 and 69 on each.

It's a little extra work than what Tenryuu suggested, but it's what I do personally. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1221. I find it easier to just remove the pages parameter from the reference and use {{rp}} after each citation to denote which pages are used instead. For example, —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll give it a try. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

111 is, I thought at least, a separate citation. If that's not the case then I'll sort it now. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

It looks great. Thank you very much. Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

No, I won't give it a try, because CommissarDoggo has fixed it, except that there is a problem with his or her footnote 111s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maurice Magnus (talk • contribs) 12:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Changing a photo on a page

Hi. I would like to change the photograph on the Wikipedia page that is about me (Sharon Marcus at Columbia University). I have many photographs more current and in better focus than the current one. I've clicked on the current photograph and don't see how to replace it, so I'm asking here. Thank you. ProfSharonMarcus (talk) 13:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

To upload a photo on Wikipedia, you'll need to upload it to Wikimedia Commons (found in a google search) where you click the upload button on the top right. Before doing that it's important to note that you should have full copyright rights on the image and posting it requires you give them up to the public domain.

On replacing the image itself, others here will be more experienced than me. You'll probably have to post an edit request on your page's talk page. Dionysius Miller^talk 13:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

ProfSharonMarcus The easiest way to provide an image is for you to take a selfie; then you possess the copyright as the photographer. Using an image that someone else took(say, your official university photo) is possible but harder as then you need to determine the copyright of the image. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

ProfSharonMarcus Please see the guide at Wikipedia:A picture of you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Template:Douban : question about User change

Hello everyone, i fixed errors and updated the template douban with their current valid website @https://m.douban.com/ since the old site @https://movie.douban.com are now mostly used as a redirect with no update. But it was unfortunately removed by User:Dabao qian with no better change instead leaving it with a limited update and some code errors. His edit summary was that: (mobile site can't be used), and yet I saw no different change that will make others to under the meaning of his edit summary and change. I haven't reverted it because I want to know the meaning of his edit summary in Wikipedia policy. Was his summary (mobile site can't be used) a Wikipedia policy?
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 05:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

The regulars at this page will not adjudicate. Please follow the steps in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Pigsonthewing Thanks for your reply.

I'm not much family with the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution but I have taken some necessary steps by discussing with the User on his talk page asking him to be more specific about the reasons for his change, and i also opened a new discussion on the Template Talk page. Does this count as Dispute resolution?
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 18:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Thisasia: Yes, that sounds good. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I need help creating a wikipedia page ASAP

I am looking for someone who can help me build a professional Wikipedia page? I tried and got blocked indefinitely. Now im back on here as a guest trying to do things even better than before. I have creditable sources I have everything to make the wiki page but I need some help or all help on the wording thanks so much for your cooperation and looking at this hope to hear from someone soon! Professional1984 (talk) 14:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, that sounds terrible, what was your old account called? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

OP blocked for block evasion. 331dot (talk) 14:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

In 7 minutes. That was quick. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, there are... 9,430 people watching this page according to XTools, I'd imagine at least a couple of them hold mops. 331 is somewhat of a regular here. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I know, but still, this is the quickest sock block I've ever seen. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I was wondering why they admitted to it so easily. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:21, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Stupidity is a constant. David notMD (talk) 16:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Best general topic to write a new article about

Greetings! I once tried to make an article for a local magazine but it was denied saying that it was an advert, but that's not why I am here. I am here to seek advise from experienced Wikipedia editors on what is the best topic to write about? Obviously, I won't be touching company articles :) SouthPole5423 (talk) 16:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@SouthPole5423 The best topic to write about is a topic you're interested in without getting too much into conflict of interest. I hope you find future successes in writing articles and always remember general notability guidelines. Cheers! Kline • talk • contribs 17:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Article Declined

I do not understand why my article got declined? I provided many articles in which Nat Zilkha was mentioned and is often times either the main subject and/or quoted in the article multiple times. Based off wikipedia's definition of a person of significance, I feel like Nat is a perfect fit! "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."

Thank you in advance for your help here! Keebs10 (talk) 16:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:Nat Zilkha. David notMD (talk) 16:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

All of the citation needed templates that I've just added to the page should give some indication as to why it was declined. It also has issues relating to WP:PROSELINE. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Keebs10 Your draft has not met the policy at WP:BLP, because it does not have inline citations for many pieces of information. In addition, merely confirming that he holds various jobs by linking to the websites of each organisation is not enough: these employers are not WP:Independent Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I'll add that half the refs are to a litany of his non-profit/philanthropy actions, which do not contribute to establishing his notability. (Ditto the music career.) David notMD (talk) 16:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback! Some of the areas in which they are requesting citations for are from many years ago and/or do not have an article to support the information. For example, some of the personal information, like who his father is and that he graduated cum laude. How am I supposed to cite these? I assume LinkedIn won't work? Keebs10 (talk) 17:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I'd say use them as a last resort to be honest, as long as they're authenticated in some way.

If information cannot be verified, it cannot be in the article. See to it that unverified information is removed. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Ardenza Enormous image

I have just created this draft, but the image is highly oversized. I have tried both default image size and then 250px manual. What's the problem? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 18:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre See [4]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Printing only a section of a topic rather than the whole topic?

To save paper and toner (ink) I would like to print just a section of a topic rather than the whole topic.

How is this done?

Perhaps there should be an extra button to the right of the "Edit" and "Edit source" buttons. ----MountVic127 (talk) 21:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi MountVic127. If you mark a section, e.g. by dragging your mouse over it, and go directly to your browser's print menu then it probably has an option to only print the selected text. If you cannot find a way to do this then what is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I want to add information

Hello, I want to add entrepreneur and artist Eser Sariyar to the article on Turks living in Denmark, but I am warned that there must be a wikipedia page first. Can you help me? I'm new to creating wikipedia pages. Kind regards AndMex (talk) 22:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear AndMex,

Remember that before writing a new article you must have to edit some existing articles and than you will learn automatically how to write new one.about creating new article here are some info.

As you have created your account just today and not even completed a single day, I want to recommend you to be an experienced one first.

Regards--KEmel49 (talk) 22:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear KEmel49,

First of all, thank you very much for your quick response. Also, have a blessed Ramadan! I have previously updated a few pages on Wikipedia without registering to the system, and these have been approved and are live. However, I have not created a new page before and I need support on this. Can you help me create the page? I can edit the template for additional information and resources. Thank you very much again and I wish you a good day.

Kind regards AndMex (talk) 22:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear AndMex,

If you really want to create page on something or someone you think that it/they deserve to be on an article than you have to gather information about them on vast internet.than you can use a tool named article wizard.Remember to put references and citation to get your article approved and also add appropriate Wikiproject to the article before submission.

All info about that can be found here.

Regards--KEmel49 (talk) 23:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Cite web reference problems

No matter how much I try I can't seem to get a citation to format properly. I'm trying to insert this: <ref>"Health Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse Individuals". 18 February 2021. Retrieved 9 April 2024.<ref> as a citation but clearly my formatting is wrong. Could anybody let me know where I'm making a mistake? I typed it out all manually twice only to encounter the same thing. XeCyranium (talk) 23:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh I think I see the problem now :P XeCyranium (talk) 23:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't know how I managed to mistype that every time. XeCyranium (talk) 23:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

how do I write an article

im not sure how to publish my own findings 2600:8807:C98A:C110:6CF9:D9F:79B3:DC24 (talk) 22:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

You can go there to get info about starting a new article.however it's highly recommended to not to start writing about something you know from mind but you have to know that through references available on internet.

Before writing new article you can start by editing other articles.

Regards--KEmel49 (talk) 22:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

If by "my own findings" you mean facts from your own research on a topic or your opinions, don't. Wikipedia does not allow 'original research'. David notMD (talk) 02:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

help me reply to this new editor about SYNTH

hello my lovely teaspeople

So, this new editor just opened this Talk:LiveJasmin#RfC on whether #Latest proposed "Controversy" section improved after a number of suggestions from the community should be included in the page. A critical issue with the porposal is that it's a blatant violation of SYNTH, but I'm having a bit of trouble explaining why. Could one of you HR experts help? Thanks in advance! Aaron Liu (talk) 01:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

It is fine to ask for a second opinion in the Teahouse, but if you do, please keep it neutral. In this case, something like this would do: An editor and I are having a disagreement about what SYNTH is and I'd welcome a second opinion. When you phrase it the way you've done here (basically already concluding that they're wrong) it can be considered canvassing. I wouldn't say what you wrote here is egregious since the user has been warned multiple times for SYNTH but it is still worth mentioning for next time. Mokadoshi (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

What is the equivalent of subreddits on Wikipedia?

I would like to ask what the equivalent of subreddits are on Wikipedia. I know that on Reddit, there are different communities depending on what you want to discuss and was wondering what the most similar thing you have to it on Wikipedia. The reason why I am asking this is because I would like to get a consensus on what to do with subpages of New York (state) and New York City. I'm not concerned about the main articles' titles as they have been settled by consensus. I am concerned about subpages like Geography of New York (state) and Geography of New York City and what to do with the page of Geography of New York. Should it say a dab page or redirect somewhere. I realize that there is a lot of articles on Wikipedia related to these two places and I am looking for a place to discuss multiple articles of same or similar topics. Look forward to your responses. Interstellarity (talk) 13:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:WikiProjects. WikiProjects are specialized groups of like-minded editors who contribute to various topics such as video games, elections, etc. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I guess WikiProjects are sort of like subreddits, they're smaller communities focused on a particular subject. WikiProject America would be attached in some way to those topics. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

There are dedicated WikiProjects for New York State and New York City. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi, @CommissarDoggo, I have posted on the US WikiProject since it seems to be the most active one related to the topic on hand. I wanted to post somewhere where I would likely get a response because I know in some WikiProjects, you may never get a response. One more question for you, is there a list of the biggest WikiProjects on Wikipedia whether it's by page views or something else? Interstellarity (talk) 14:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's one sorted by size, but I use this bot-maintaned list and this directory to find active WikiProjects. Hope that helps. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

On that I'm not sure, but I can all but guarantee that two of the most active would be WikiProject Military History and WikiProject Video Games. The WikiProject FAQ says that WikiProject Biography is the largest. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

god please no, i dont want power tripping "mods" permabanning everyone that they hate like what they did with me WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow, is this comment in the wrong topic? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

im saying i dont want subreddits on wikipedia, or at least no mods on said subs. power hungry mods on reddit ruined my life. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiProjects aren't exactly the same as subreddits. There's always the option of editing without participating in a WikiProject. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Difference bt "patrol" and "review"

Hi there, when learning wiki rules, it confused me that some pages are "marked as reviewed" and some are "marked as patrolled". I found this but it didn't solve my question. MaximilienLuc (talk) 03:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I'll clarify I don't know either, but I found this: Wikipedia:New pages patrol#Technical details (the 'Patrol versus review' item).

Still not super clear to me. – 2804:F14:8090:C501:91A8:3DF5:5140:363F (talk) 03:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@MaximilienLuc: In my experience, "review" normally means the WP:AFC process of reviewing a draft before it becomes an article. Patrol probably means WP:NPP where volunteers check on newly created pages to see that they conform to the encyclopedia's content policies (such as no advertising, etc). But, these are not the only usages of review and patrol. If you can provide more context to your question, that would help. RudolfRed (talk) 04:01, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Marking edits as patrolled is something built into MediaWiki for the reviewing/approval of new pages. Page Curation is an extension (not a part of MediaWiki) that adds the "Mark as reviewed" button, which allows pages to be reviewed as part of the new pages patrol process. Basically, they are two different ways that overall get at the same result (though technical details such as the logging of these actions differ). ~ Eejit43 (talk) 04:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

The Smurfs

Could someone take a look at my edit request here: Talk:The Smurfs#Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2024. Another editor doesn't seem to understand the issue and has closed the request without fixing the error in the article. Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 05:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks like this has been done. Tollens (talk) 06:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

you can reactivate this on that talk page.how-to-do= you can see on that talk page that you must have to input a parameter like this-|answered=no.where-to-do= on that section of talk page, click EDIT and the top template sign {{}}you can put that.--KEmel49 (talk) 23:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

As I said, this has already been done. They did exactly that. Tollens (talk) 23:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

You can change that by changing that template.--KEmel49 (talk) 04:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you understand. There is no issue anymore. They already reactivated their request, and it was already answered. Tollens (talk) 04:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Why do my posts keep getting archived and removed

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Closing this down for pretty much the same reasons as given above in WP:THQ#Why does wikipedia make me so upset?, especially now that they've been indefinitely blocked per WP:NOTHERE. Uber kudos to all those who tried to engage and help this user in good faith because you're good Wikipedians; however, at some point you just have to apply WP:DENY when you come across stuff like this because otherwise it will never stop. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Please I’m not doing anything wrong. I HATE being shut down so much. Please just leave my godforsaken edits alone please. Stop silencing me. There’s also a certain editor who’s on their high horse and told ME not to talk on their talk page anymore while continuing to silence me like a stupid hypocrite. Everyone here hates me, just like everywhere else. Too bad, you can’t get rid of me and I’m here to stay. I’m so angry at how I’m being treated like crap on here. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 04:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

WhereverWeAreNow, I note the message on your user page. As was said in response to your slightly earlier post (above), consider taking a break from Wikipedia until you feel better. There are many other things to do on your computer or phone (let alone all things to do away from a computer or phone). -- Hoary (talk) 06:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I never feel better ever, I’m depressed and angry and stressed all the time and I have no life so I can’t even get off my phone. I’m so apathetic and tired all the time and any hobbies just make me feel worse. I hate therapy so don’t tell me to “get help” WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 06:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

If "Please just leave my godforsaken edits alone please." is what you want, a wiki is a very poor choice of website. Write a blog. Then you can write stuff like [5][6] without someone else removing it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

No one reads blogs anymore, no one will care about anything i write. i was suspended from reddit and now i have nowhere else to go. a blog is just journaling and i hate journaling, i want people to see and respond to what i say. you think anyone cares about how i think psychiatry is quackery and how my favorite game gets 0 attention? NO, they make fun of me for it and ban me WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 07:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

And Wikipedia is an attempt to make an encyclopedia, so that's not a place to get attention for your favorite game either. Keep looking. If this guy [7] can get 2 million subscribers, maybe you can get some to. If attention is what you're after, WP sucks for that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Well no one cares about me irl and the only times i even feel anything is when i make everything about myself and get people to argue with me, yes I know I know but I can’t control myself and everyone hates me for it, its a terrible habit i have and i cant stop WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 07:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I completely understand where you're coming from. If I were in your position I would absolutely be equally frustrated. Unfortunately, though, I don't think there's much that any of us here can do to help. I don't believe anyone here is trying to make fun of you, and I am 100% certain that nobody here hates you. The issue is simply that Wikipedia is not the place you're looking for – if you imagine that each talk page on Wikipedia is like an office in the building of a publishing company, you may be able to better understand the responses you've received from others. I'm sure that there are plenty of editors here who agree with you and share your interests in video games, but this is just not the right place. Tollens (talk) 07:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Then where is the right place? I’m not allowed to be on discord, I’m suspended from Reddit, social media makes me anxious and stressed and I can’t talk to people irl. You guys keep telling me about WP:NOTFORUM and then not telling me where else to go and it’s making me upset WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 08:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

To be quite honest – I don't know, and if I had to guess, the reason nobody has provided an alternative is that they don't really know either. I really am sorry, that sounds rough. I'd be happy to just chat if you're interested. If you have an email connected to your Wikipedia account you can email me using Special:EmailUser/Tollens. If you're not interested, I totally get that, no obligation whatsoever, but I'm happy to talk about basically whatever if that's what you need. Tollens (talk) 08:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding. I sent an email. That’s all I want, for people to talk to me and be nice to me WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 08:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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If wikipedia is not a forum then where else do I go?

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Closing this down for pretty much the same reasons as given above in WP:THQ#Why does wikipedia make me so upset? and WP:THQ#Why do my posts keep getting archived and removed, especially now that they've been indefinitely blocked per WP:NOTHERE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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No one is telling me a specific place and it's very frustrating... WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe Reddit or another online forum. We can only help you with using Wikipedia, not other sites. RudolfRed (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

im suspended from reddit and everyone hates me there WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You will have to find that out yourself. The general purpose of the non-article pages of Wikipedia are for improving the articles, Wikipedia itself or its processes, if you're not here for that then you are welcome to just read (instead of editing).*edit: not happy with how I phrased this, I'll just leave the other half.

Also perhaps going from website to website complaining until you get banned as you seem to be claiming you are being is not the best use of your time. – 2804:F14:8090:C501:91A8:3DF5:5140:363F (talk) 03:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC) *edited 03:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

i hate getting banned so much but i NEED an outlet for my anger and worries WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried writing a blog? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

no one reads blogs anymore, and i want people to respond to me not just do stupid online journaling. I HATE journaling WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Consider reading this list of mental health resources. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

here's my thoughts on said ""resources"". scroll to the bottom WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

also [8] this WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi again – as with yesterday, I am more than happy to chat, you have my email. We really can't help you much here, unfortunately – asking again is unlikely to change the answers you get (as evidenced by all the above). I see you posted again on an article talk page – please don't. If you continue to post on those pages you'll likely be blocked, which I know would not help the situation. Wikipedia is not well-equipped to help, which is a shame, but I just don't know what more we can do for you. Tollens (talk) 03:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow I do apologize that Wikipedia cannot be more of help. Just because we are removing your messages, it doesn't mean that we don't care or recognize what you bring up. Even though you might have not had a good time in the past, I can't stress more the importance of reaching out. There are those in your personal life who I promise can help, much better than we can. I hope you find a way to discuss these issues outside of Wikipedia. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 03:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

im not telling anyone crap i dont need "help". WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

But you need an outlet for your anger and worries? I'm not seeing the difference EvergreenFir (talk) 03:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

i had one but i was suspended from the site i would post on. now i have nowhere and im scrambling for somewhere to vent so im just posting anywhere at this point. i hate anything having to do with therapy or meds because i think it's quackery WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow I genuinely do hope you find some way to live more happily, but Wikipedia is not a place for you to vent. As you say, you want to have a place you can be a part of. If you are here to edit and want to contribute that way, please do. Otherwise, you are really running the risk of getting handed a WP:NOTHERE block. There is nothing else we can do to help at this point. I wish you the best. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 03:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

everyone always tells me that but i just get worse overtime. i really really dont want to get blocked, ESPICIALLY indefinetely because i get furious over those WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 04:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, I've been on an SSRI for 27 years and am back in therapy. They're tools too manage a chronic health issue, like physical therapy. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree. @WhereverWeAreNow, while you might have negative views towards them, SSRIs and therapy are extremely helpful for many people, including myself. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 04:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

whats next, are you going to tell me that my LIVED EXPERIENCES are "extremely dangerous pseudoscience" and that I'm "killing people"? cause ive been told that MANY times WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 04:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

at least physical therapy actually works. psychiatry is the only field of "medicine" where literally everything is a gamble and and you have to subject yourself to years and years of false promises by tens of "professionals" saying they can help you when they just make you worse. and have you heard of Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction (PSSD)? that has actually ruined people's lives including mine (i cant feel anything in my body when i take those poison pills and i had to fight my mom when she forced me to take them once) yet ignored by all psychs saying it's the "sAfEsT mEd" WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 04:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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How do I make an article?

If you had a topic of my own. Just click the template button to begin. Greatman67 (talk) 03:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

hello! Help:Your first article has lots of tips on how to write an article if you've never done it before. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Greatman67, and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem with that suggestion is that it's like "Click this button to start building a house" or "Click this button to enter Wimbledon", or "Click this button to give a concert at Carnegie Hall". There's no point in providing a quick way to start doing these things, because if you haven't first spent time learning how to do them, and practising, it's a waste of your time and everybody else's: you're probably not even going to understand whatever feedback you get.

I always advise a new editor to spend a few months making improvements to some of our six million existing articles, and learning how Wikipedia works, before they even think of trying to create a new article. Once they have an understanding of fundamental concepts like verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, that is the time to go to your first article and give it a go. ColinFine (talk) 10:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Comprehensive article v reliable sources

Hi, I'm working on Leeds 13 an artist collective whose first two works proved controversial and newsworthy. They were both covered by newspapers so there are reliable primary sources. The first work has also been covered in books, documentaries, lectures etc so there are reliable secondary sources too.

The group's official website lists some later works but the only known source for those is that same website so self-published, not independent and unreliable.

Should I aim for a comprehensive article, using and identifying unreliable sources for the later works, or cut it back to cover only works that have reliable sources? Thanks. Arnhemcr (talk) 08:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Arnhemcr, cut it back to cover only works that have reliable sources. (If someone later finds reliable sources for other works, they can then add material about these, citing those sources.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hoary, thanks for your sound advice (again!) I'll cut it back. Arnhemcr (talk) 10:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Requesting Feedback on First Article

Hello,

Perhaps this is not quite the right place to ask this, but I would really appreciate some feedback on my first article. More specifically, I am unsure about the quality of my sources. There is already an article on Japanese wikipedia for this individual, my article is a translation of this, with additional biographical information added. Both it and my draft are linked below.

Thank you in advance, esmb17

• Draft:Erika Kobayashi
• ja:小林エリカ

Esmb17 (talk) 13:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Esmb17 the draft will be reviewed eventually. Please be patient. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Just itching to get some feedback haha. Esmb17 (talk) 13:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request

Hi, this is Jessica from Google DeepMind. As per Wikipedia’s policies, I recognise that I have a conflict of interest, so I would like to ask that the community review and consider a few minor changes to this page. My reason for requesting this is to highlight some factual inaccuracies and out-of-date information that I would suggest should now be edited for accuracy and to ensure this page remains up to date.

Please consider making the following edits:

Please check the consistency of the use of ‘Google DeepMind’ instead of ‘DeepMind” throughout the article.

If possible, remove personal information - name of husband and reference to twin daughters.

Image:

Please change image to this one: https://www.flickr.com/photos/itupictures/53026900965 - it is far more recent and available for use under Creative Commons license.

In introductory section:

Remove ‘and a member of the UK AI Council’. Lila is no longer a member. Source: AI Council - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Add ‘President and Chief Operations Officer at Coursera.’ Source: Welcoming Lila Ibrahim to Coursera - Coursera Blog

In Early Life and education section:

Lila is no longer on the board of advisors at Purdue University. Please replace the word ‘remains’ with ‘served’.

In Career section:

Remove “She was a keynote speaker at the 2016 Pioneer Summit, and the 2017 South by Southwest conference in Austin” - we are requesting this change because, while factual, it feels outdated given that Lila has spoken at numerous prestigious events and conferences since 2017 which are more relevant and recent. We are happy to provide examples if you are happy to update with more recent speaking engagements.

Remove: “where she is responsible for managing the company's growth” And replace with “oversees operations, responsibility and governance, and external work.” Source: Lila Ibrahim: The 100 Most Influential People in AI 2023 | TIME

In Accolades section please add the following accolades:

“In 2021, she was named a Distinguished Engineering Alumnae by Purdue University” Source: 2021 Distinguished Engineering Alumni/Alumnae - Our People - Purdue Engineering

“Member of Council of Foreign Affairs” Source: Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)

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Thank you for reviewing our proposed edits. Bops184 (talk) 13:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bops184: the Flickr image you linked is not usable - although it has a Creative Commons license it uses the NonCommercial derivative which is not allowed: c:Commons:Licensing#Well-known_licenses. MKFI (talk) 13:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jessica, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for declaring your status as a paid editor; however you do not appear to have made the mandatory formal declaration on your user page yet (see that link).

You perhaps missed the reply when you posted almost exactly the same message on the Help Desk two days ago that said This request is best made on the article talk page, in the form of an edit request(click for instructions) - along with the explanation of why that image could not be used. ColinFine (talk) 14:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Create a new page

I'm wanting to create a new page for a senior executive from a Nonprofit organization. Pol Pratik (talk) 11:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:YFA for information. Fair warning: your article will probably not be accepted because your conflict of interest effectively prevents writing a neutral article. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 11:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Is creating the page part of your job (or internship), Pol Pratik? -- Hoary (talk) 11:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You may find the information you're looking for at What to do when your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. ---- D'n'B-t -- 13:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You correctly put the COI tag on your User page for your intention to create and submit a draft about Beena Ammanath, but if you are paid by the organization - even if not paid specifically to create this article - change that to a paid tag. David notMD (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You will need references other than her website, Deloitte and Humans for AI (the non-profit org) to establish her notability. David notMD (talk) 14:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Article translation help

Hello, I'm KB from Binance. A few months back, I submitted a draft article for Richard Teng, the company's CEO, at Articles for Creation. It was accepted and I found the process quite straightforward. After that, I started preparing translations of the article. I want to be respectful of my COI, so I've avoided directly creating the translations on other languages of Wikipedia. I've tried using the other language links from WP:AfC for a couple, and a WikiProject for another and had varying results. I'll admit, it's been confusing. I am hoping editors here might have some advice for how I should proceed.

• Portuguese: An editor responded and said the article looked good and offered to create it, but they haven't responded in over a month.
• Spanish: I tried WikiProject biographies and also posted a note on the Spanish Binance article Talk page but have not heard from anyone.
• French: On the French Wikipedia, I used the proofreading forum linked from AfC and received one reply seemingly reprimanding me for not posting in French, which has me weary of making further posts on other Wikipedias.

Does anyone here have experience with Wikipedia in these other languages? Is there somewhere else I should be seeking help instead? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks so much, KB at Binance (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KB at Binance. While there may happen to be people reading this page who have experience of using those other Wikipedias, I'm not aware of anywhere that gives help on this, beyond the general advice at translate us. Sorry. ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@KB at Binance: Hi there! At the top of this page is a dropdown that says "32 languages", which provides links to Teahouse-like pages at the Wikipedias in other languages. There's a similar dropdown at the top of Wikipedia:Help desk. GoingBatty (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

New draft article - John Paul (scientist) question

Hi. I created an article as a beginner, which was intended to reflect the history and achievements of someone who lived at the end of last century. As a beginner, I didn't expect it to be without faults and have tried to correct these. More recently I posted a request for advice on a Talk page of someone who had suggested that some of the citations weren't reliable sources. This was to clarify which citations were of concern and how I might correct this. A couple of minutes later another contributor recommended the whole article for speedy deletion. This article represents months of effort to try and find research which backs up the claims. No-one stands to gain in any way from this article. Please can you help advise on how I navigate this minefield and prevent all my efforts from being deleted! Thank you. Gcwcd (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:John Paul (scientist). I have to say I am surprised this was tagged for speedy deletion. Theroadislong (talk) 16:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Ahh I see it was a copyright violation. Theroadislong (talk) 16:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft recreated at same title without the copyright violation content. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I have added some more references, please feel free to add more Gcwcd. Theroadislong (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The article which was there was deleted and the article which now appears there isn't the original article. It lacks citations, and most of the article. How can I retrieve the article just before it was deleted and find out what it was that was a copyright violation and why I had about 2 minutes to try to correct this before deletion? It has been reviewed several times and I didn't realise there was a copyright violation. I still don't know what it was. Really looking for some help on how to retrieve all my hard work at the point at which it was deleted rather than the article which now appears. Gcwcd (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gcwcd: In short, you can't as it contained copyright-infringing material. The admin who deleted it, Drmies, has described something on your talk page that infringed copyright and restored portions that looked like it wasn't copied. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

OK thanks and understood. Happy with just retrieving the code before deletion so I've raised this with Administration. Gcwcd (talk) 17:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy with retrieving just the coded up text so that I can work on it offline, and so that I can remove the part that was considered a violation before putting back intoi the Wikipedia space (once I know what it was). Gcwcd (talk) 17:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I copied quotations from texts for which I had specifically sought Copyright permission, from both the author and the University which had approved it. Gcwcd (talk) 17:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Time to WP:DROPTHESTICK it is NOT going to be restored I have added more content and references I suggest you do the same. Theroadislong (talk) 17:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I'm told it was because I quoted from the Independent. I didn't quote anything from the Independent. I cited and article in the Independent at the end of the article. Gcwcd (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok I get that it isn't going to be restored as a draft and thank you to everyone who is trying to retrieve parts of it. Is there any way I can retrieve the coded up wording (just me directly, not as a draft article) so that I don't have to start again or is this also not going to happen? It was an awful lot of work to have to redo. It was deleted before I had a chance to do anything really. Gcwcd (talk) 17:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

If you copied content from copyright-protected sources it is on you to know where you copied from. David notMD (talk) 19:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Original poster blocked and has appealed block. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

On the available evidence, this does not seem to be a good block. Where is the "spam/ promotion"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

331dot, Bbb23, just pinging so you're aware of this Teahouse thread. Yes, it does seem rather inappropriate that (1) this editor has been blocked for advertising/promotion when there's no obvious sign that they've promoted or advertised (they could have been blocked for copyright infringement, but weren't), and (2) their question on their talk page "what did you consider advertising and promotion about what was being said?" wasn't answered. In the spirit of the Teahouse (does tea contain spirits?) this doesn't seem a super-helpful approach to an apparently new editor. Elemimele (talk) 15:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

The block log has copyright violations added to the reason given in the template. 331dot (talk) 15:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

331dot, that makes sense; it's a pity copyright violation isn't the reason displayed on the user's talk page. I've added a note to their talk page suggesting that they might have inadvertently received the wrong block message, and therefore failed to address the issue in their unblock request. Elemimele (talk) 16:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Toba catastrophe page

Hello, I'm usually not editing, mainly correcting a few spelling mistakes here and there, obvious stuff mostly.

I have seen something on the Toba catastrophe theory page: A weird, possibly AI generated, description of the movie Jurassic World. It really doesn't belong there, please see for yourself.

I was bold, edited it out and within a few minutes my edit was reverted as it 'didn't appear to be constructive'. As I'm no expert, I'm not sure if the talkpage would be more suited for stuff like this, but I'm just wondering if I'm somehow in the 'wrong' here.

Could you please advise me on why it was reverted and how to be more constructive? 2003:CE:71D:18A2:716F:A8C:E600:6F5E (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Another editor has removed it again, without revert as of now.

Hopefully the topic is closed, thanks.

2003:CE:71D:18A2:716F:A8C:E600:6F5E (talk) 17:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that - yes, unfortunately vandalism patrollers do sometimes revert IP edits without checking carefully enough to see what's really going on. Typically a post on their talk page is enough to alert them to the mistake. (Wesoree, please be a bit more careful with Rollback in the future.) 57.140.16.57 (talk) 17:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

maintenance template

How do you improve an article that reads like an advertisement Neiabr (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

By removing the magical words to watch from it, and generally writing in Wikivoice. Do you have a particular article in mind? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Rewriting an article entirely

Hello! You may have heard from me before, but I am trying to make the List of the Legend of Zelda characters page better. The conclusion I have reached is that we should rewrite the article entirely. I think that if we organized the characters into their own races, the article would be way less long and confusing. For example, put Link into the Hylian category, and Ganon in the Gerudo category. I hope to work with all of you to make this article better. Thank you for your time and consideration. 2601:48:C601:5550:E549:7E42:A0FC:52F4 (talk) 02:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for wanting to improve the encyclopedia. You should discuss your idea on the article's talk page, where other interested editors can provide their input. RudolfRed (talk) 02:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 2601:48:C601:5550:E549:7E42:A0FC:52F4. As RudolfRed posted above, you should probably be WP:CAUTIOUS here and propose how you think the article should be improved on the article's talk and seek feedback from others. If after a reasonable amount of time nobody responds, you might want to try posts on the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects. Trying to completely rewrite an article is almost always fraught with peril unless it's clearly a case of WP:TNT (i.e. 9 out 10 Wikipedians would agree with that assessment) or there is so little content (i.e. a one or two-sentence WP:STUB) that any policy/guideline compliant expansion would be an improvement over what's there. Wikipedia articles aren't intended to be perfect, and many are indeed in need of improvement; however, Wikipedia is a collaborative editing project and often the best approach is to build on what others have already done instead of just tossing their work to the side and doing something totally different. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for replying to me Marchjuly. When I say I want to rewtrite the article, I mean that I want to fix it. I don't know if there is a way to take all the information that is already there and just reorganize it. All the information present in that article is amazing, and I do not want to just toss away someone's work. I just want to make their work more helpful by organizing things better. 2601:48:C601:5550:E549:7E42:A0FC:52F4 (talk) 18:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

adding to the above comments, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games is another great spot to ask about this. happy editing! ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

List of the Legend of Zelda characters dates back to at least 2006, has had more than 5,000 edits and had 147 editors who have it on their personal Watch list, meaning that every time they log on they see recent changes. I am not saying that the article needs improvement (there are dated tags to that effect at the top). but there will be tremendous resistance to any masssive reorganization. I strongly agree that you should describe your proposed changes on the Talk page of the article, to find out if there is a consensus. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I see that you have already raised the question on the Talk page. Good luck. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Requesting suggestions on whether the following proposed section (RfC) is suitable for inclusion to the LiveJasmin page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:LiveJasmin#RfC%20on%20whether%20#Latest%20proposed%20%22Legal%20Issues%22%20section%20improved%20after%20a%20number%20of%20suggestions%20from%20the%20community%20should%20be%20included%20in%20the%20page Alexfotios (talk) 15:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

This is already under discussion at WP:ANI. Please keep the discussion in one place. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Will do User:Shantavira Alexfotios (talk) 18:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Logo update

How do I change the logo on my business wiki? Susanevenson (talk) 18:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

What page does this relate to, is it Bison Transport? If you have a conflict of interest then you need to declare it on your userpage. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

As for the logo, you would need to upload a non-free version of the logo using the Wikipedia file upload wizard. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

But you should not edit Wikipedia's article about your business (which is not "your business wiki") because of your conflict of interest: instead,once you have made the mandatory declaration of your status as a paid editor), you should raise an edit request on the article's talk page. ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Picture of a Book Cover

I'm creating the article for Experience and Nature and want to add a picture of the book's cover. How do people do this without violating copyright?

EDIT: I decided to upload a picture of the book under the non-free use criteria, thank you everyone!

Aaronlearns (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I'll add that I don't think I can do the picture of the cover off Amazon, because that's promotional material, and if I just take a picture of a copy of the book and try to upload to Wikimedia, I can't say that the work is "entirely my own" because it contains the design of the cover. Aaronlearns (talk) 20:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Upload it using the Wikipedia File Upload Wizard under an appropriate non-free use criteria. It's possible that you still won't be able to upload it under a valid criteria, but I haven't looked much into it personally. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for this! Aaronlearns (talk) 20:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aaronlearns: I've downloaded several images of books and albums from Amazon and uploaded to the English Wikipedia under the non-free use criteria. Alternatively, you could also use an image from the publisher's web site. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Will definitely take the publisher's website into account from here on out! Aaronlearns (talk) 21:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aaronlearns: Works published before 1929 in the United States are in the public domain, so if you can find an image or scan of the first US edition, you can upload that to Wikimedia Commons. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

The book was published in 1925, but the edition along with its unique cover was in 1958, it's the design of the cover I'm worried about. Aaronlearns (talk) 21:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Why not show the cover (or better, the title page) of the first edition? It's likely to be at archive.org. 126.157.199.91 (talk) 21:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aaronlearns: If you mean the b&w version here, see c:Com:TOO. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

That's where I went first, but if the image is from Amazon, that's technically promotional material, right? Aaronlearns (talk) 21:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

We don't like to link to promotional sites, but there's no reason why you can't take an image from one. Presuming Andy is right about C:Com:TOO, it is in the public domain, so you are not infringing Amazon's or anybody else's copyright by copying it. ColinFine (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I fix it?

Hey, I accidentally put 2 references with the same source on the Autopsy Torment article, How do I unite the two references? MJGTMKME123 (talk) 21:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello MJG etc, and welcome to the Teahouse. You do this by using named references. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

ok thanks MJGTMKME123 (talk) 22:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Meta subdomain, what's it mean

What's the "meta" subdomain mean in other MediaWiki websites like Miraheze's https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Meta, and Wikimedia's https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page page, why doesn't Wikipedia itself have one? Bzik2324 (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bzik. This is not really the kind of question that the Teahouse is for (rather, help with using and editing Wikipedia), but I'll try and answer you. Meta is one of those words which has become prevalent in the technological world, and whose meaning isn't always very clear; but it most often means "talking about how to do something or how something works, as opposed to doing the something". So on StackExchange, each site has a meta for discussing how that site works and how users interact with it. I don't know how it is used in Miraheze, but I imagine it's something similar.

Since Wikipedia is one of the Wikimedia family of sites, the meta:Main page that you point at mostly serves that function. Other areas which might be seen as "meta" for Wikipedia are many parts of the Wikipedia name-space (such as where we are now), and particularly the the Village pump; and, in a way, talk pages. ColinFine (talk) 14:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bzik - the Meta-Wiki here on Wikimedia (and on similar networks) functions as a coordinating project for global actions like requests for comment, global account changes/renames, and Wikimedia-wide governance or coordination discussions and documentation. Unlike the English Wikipedia it is not a content project. A good example of recent activity on Meta-Wiki is related to the proposed movement charter, a document that is currently being developed/ratified that will spell out the various roles and responsibilities for different groups of people in the Wikimedia movement. If you're curious to learn more, the Meta-Wiki about page can give you some more information. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

R cat shell question

Hullo friends. I was just wondering if the template {{Redirect category shell}} was required to be placed on redirect pages or not. Thanks! Antrotherkus 00:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

It's not mandatory, but it is helpful. -- asilvering (talk) 00:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

please help with referencing - i keep getting this sent back

i keep getting this sent back - that my referencing isnt adeqaute GeorgeBergerson (talk) 00:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeBergerson: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1221. Without commenting on the reliability of the sources, you don't have any inline citations in your draft at Draft:Annabelle Yates. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

how do I do that? GeorgeBergerson (talk) 01:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeBergerson: Check out the information at Help:Referencing_for_beginners and User:Nick_Moyes/Easier_Referencing_for_Beginners RudolfRed (talk) 01:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Greenville-Spartanburg Int'l Airport (GSP) table cleanup

 Courtesy link: Greenville–Spartanburg International Airport

Hello. Go to above article, scroll down to Annual passenger traffic table, please fix so decades are aligned, 1960's,1970s...etc so the columns align by decade. I cant figure how to troubleshoot, added 2021,2022, and 2023 pax data and threw it out of alignment. Thank you for your time and appreciate the help. Have a good evening.Theairportman33531 (talk) 21:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Why on earth is a table like that encyclopaedic? ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Revised table for easier expansion. Disregard my request. Disregard.Theairportman33531 (talk) 02:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

{{Use American English}}

Is there a convention or MOS guide as to whether or not to tag this? I'm writing an article now in American English about something totally unrelated to the United States. Should I tag it to let other editors know to try to continue the style for cogency's sake? Or should I leave it without a tag at all because it's not related to the regional variety at all? Thanks in advance. ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@ThaesOfereode: I am not sure what that tag is normally used for, it seems to just add the page to a category. At MOS:RETAIN, the manual of style already says to continue using the variety of English that is already in the article. RudolfRed (talk) 00:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for taking the time to respond! ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi ThaesOfereode. MOS:ENGVAR covers what you're asking about. Generally, others are asked to defer to the style of English established by the article's creator or the first major contributor, but a change can be made is achieved through consensus on the article's talk page. You can add something like {{American English}} to the article, but often such templates go unnoticed by others who might edit the article (particularly if they just open the edit window for a specific subsection of the article) or they're occasionally just ignored by those who feel all things Wikipedia should be either be one way or the other. You can hope others defer to the style you choose and revise things when they don't, but discussions about which national variety of English to use can sometimes become very time consuming and heated because some refuse budge from the position that their preferred national variety is the "only correct variety". So, try to be flexible in your approach. If similar articles are using a national variety of English that isn't the same as one you want to use, you might want to take that under consideration. Moreover, you might want to assess whether it's worth something fighting over if it really doesn't affect the reader's encyclopedic understanding of the article. As mentioned above, others are going to be expected to defer to the style you choose (absent a pretty obvious reason for changing to something else), but at some point you might need to reconsider whether this something worth fighting over to the point that it ends up being discussed and one of the administrator's noticeboard because one or more of those involved is unable to work things out per WP:DR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Marchjuly. I will probably tag it with American English in case whoever edits it next cares/knows enough to look, but if consensus converts it to British English or something else, it's no bother to me. Thanks for the write up. I appreciate you taking the time! ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

To summarize, ThaesOfereode, the content of some articles have a clear connection to an Emglish variation. For example, Los Angeles is written in American English and London is written in British English and Toronto is written in Canadian English. But articles about planets and galaxies and subatomic particles and mathematical concepts and oceans and weather and plate tectonics have no national connection. The original author then establishes the English variation. That being said, editors should strive for a universal style of English in such cases that does not express an idiosyncratic version of English. For the sake of discussion, let's say that there are three synonyms for some concept. One word is favored by British writers and another word is favored by American writers and the third word is commonly used and understood by English readers worldwide. Use the third word. Cullen328 (talk) 06:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Owen Jones British Journalist

I have some questions that relate to the Wikipedia entry for Owen Jones, the journalist, I am seeing political bias and POV, Also where the journalist this article is about has wrote articles that are used as a source about himself in the article, is that usual and permitted? I have edited assuming in effect self published work is not acceptable, am I correct? Pennine rambler (talk) 05:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

if you're concerned about NPOV, you can make a post over at the NPOV noticeboard. as for sources written by Jones, i'm only seeing one, which is cited to Jones is a former member of the Labour Party, having held membership of the party since the age of 15 and cancelling his membership in March 2024. as this is a self-description, it's fine to cite Jones himself for this. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 05:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Pennine rambler It's difficult to respond to the grievance "this is biased". Please use the talk page to detail the specific passages you find problematic, where sources are not being accurately summarized. 331dot (talk) 07:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft submission

 Courtesy link: Draft:Brunsviga

Hello, I am a Wikipedia contributor - on French pages. After having done the corrections which were asked, I have submitted a drafte on Brunsviga (in the Sandbox) - which I had wrote and submitted in French, then have had translated - since nearly 3 months. I am aware that there are so many drafts. Do you think it can still take a long while to review this draft ?

thank you very much for your answer. Best Regards Thémisté (talk) 08:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia. We cannot help you with the French Wikipedia. Please ask at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Forum_des_nouveaux Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I believe that the OP was asking about the enwiki draft Draft:Brunsviga, to which the simple answer is that there are 3220 drafts awaiting review. David Biddulph (talk) 08:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks pretty sound to me, Thémisté, though I'm not a reviewer, so I think this will get reviewed sooner rather than later. I have made a number of minor typo corrections and copy edits, including some encyclopaedic and English style and vocabulary improvements, English rather than French punctuation, and placing references after punctuation as is the style on en.Wikipedia. Feel free to revert any you don't like!

I suspect the reviewer may want to modify some of your Section header wordings, as they seem a little OR and peacock, but I have not attempted to myself. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.145.123 (talk) 09:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Interesting topic and nice work. Just a little formality: if this is translated from the french article at fr:Brunsviga it needs to be attributed too; see Help:Translation. Lectonar (talk) 09:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Jeff Elman page

edit dispute (2 other Editors simply remove my comments on Talk page, refusing to discuss)

 Courtesy link: Talk:Jeffrey Elman

Jeffrey Elman

What do you do when 2 other editors refuse to discuss on the Talk page why they have reverted back a fairly straightforward edit to the article page? Towards the end of this post, I discuss what I think my options are; I'd appreciate some feedback on the best approach. This page in question isn't a "hot" or contemporarily controversial topic. [Note: I created a wikipedia account so I could post this at the Teahouse; I believe all the edits on the article and Talk pages from Apr 9 & 10, 2024 that are unsigned are by me.] I'd appreciate any feedback, and thank you for reading and replying.

To summarize: I added a link to a source, a couple sentences (striving to be very neutral), and 2 quotes from that source to the page above. The source I added I believe was a very high quality source, and the sentences I added were written in an unbiased way. One editor (Nomoskedasticity) simply reverted, without discussion. I looked at that editor's talk page and found warnings on there about that editor reverting other editors' contributions.

I reinstalled my edit, but also went to the Talk page to try to engage in discussion. Fairly quickly (well under a day) my contributions to both the article page and the Talk page were removed, with no explanation. A 2nd editor (William F. Connelly) got involved. I pointed out on the Talk page that I was trying to follow the Wikipedia policy to discuss the issue on the Talk page. However, the 2 editors simply refuse to discuss or give any reason for their positions.

The editor did make a comment in the edit notes of the Talk page that was uninformative about why my contribution was removed, but expressed a very disdainful attitude towards me.

I once again tried to engage on the Talk page (only), and that contribution was again removed without discussion. The editor made a vague comment on the History page which referenced BLP. I read through the BLP policy page, and I cannot see how that would prevent the edits I made and the source I added. Indeed, some of what I added was mentioned in a newspaper article that is already linked to in the article. (The link to that newspaper article doesn't currently work. After having my edits deleted, I mentioned on the Talk page that there is a web archive version of the page available that should be used instead of the broken one - that has not yet been updated.) ==*** I've summarized here the situation fairly briefly; the details can be seen in the edits I made to the article page and the Talk page, and I'd be happy to provide more details as needed.

I wasn't intending to create a Wikipedia login or spend much time. I had just come across that page after looking up Jeff Elman. I did some digging on the internet, and came up with a link that allowed me to find the web archive version of the source I originally added to the article, and I thought it was an important source to include on that page. [I did spend a good amount of time trying to get the code correct to cite the source.]

I'm extremely troubled by what I'm seeing from these editors who refuse to follow Wikipedia policies and discuss on the Talk page. They also are simply very uncivil in the way they've treated me. I generally like to try to find positive intent, but I'm unable to in this case.

Unfortunately, I've now wasted quite a few hours trying to understand why these other 2 editors feel they can act this way. What I've concluded is that they're violating Wikipedia policies and they don't intend to explain their position.

On April 10, I also spent some time going back through the history of the Talk page and cannot see that there was ever in the past any discussion that led to a decision that my source was impermissible.

I started to read through the dispute resolution process. I'm not sure whether I should request a 3rd opinion (that page mentions you do that when there are only 2 editors involved; in this matter, there are now 3).

The alternative seems to go to a Noticeboard, and my question there is "Which one"? Since one of the other editors typed "BLP" in the edit comment, perhaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard is the place to go to.

The real unfortunate outcome of editors like these 2 is that others, who might have made valuable contributions to some number of articles over time, simply decide it's not worth the time. I also looked around the internet, and came across this article, which summarizes well what I've encountered. https://www.legalmorning.com/untouchable-unblockable-and-often-unbeatable-problematic-wikipedia-editors/ TiredofFiefdomEditing (talk) 05:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I have blocked this editor. Usernames that provoke arguments and attack other editors are not permitted. Cullen328 (talk) 06:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@TiredofFiefdomEditing: Your comment was not removed from the talk page; it was moved to the foot of the page, where it belongs (a duplicate copy was subsequently removed, for obvious reasons). And can still be seen there. A note was courteously left of the talk page for the IP you were using, linking to it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

How can i improve this article to be published live

I have all the information collected GMako6 (talk) 11:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I quote: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people)." Where is the significant coverage? -- Hoary (talk) 12:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

You can improve it by adding references to reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of Kileo. You will need at least three sources to establish that he is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. There are currently none, unless the one in Swahili (which I can't read) qualifies. Maproom (talk) 12:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

English tutor

Good afternoon,

I am new in this world and I feel a bit lost. I have started writing an article in Spanish and I have a tutor in Wikipedia Spain who is being very nice to guide me. Unfortunately, in English Wikipedia I feel even more disoriented (as it is not the language I master the best). I was wondering if there would be the option of requesting a tutor to accompany me and to whom I could consult doubts as on the other platform?

I would be very grateful.

Thank you very much, Sara. SaraCoelho25 (talk) 11:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@SaraCoelho25, due to not enough mentors being available here on the English Wikipedia, only a small % of new users are assigned a mentor upon account creation. How about I set myself as your mentor? Let me know what you think . Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Can I upload a non-free image (logo) for use in a draft?

I want to upload an image of the logo for cortical labs for my draft but when I go to upload it it asks for the article where it will be used but obviously the draft hasn't been published. So can I still upload the logo? Or do I have to wait for my draft to be published? Pothos144 (talk) 13:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Pothos144, welcome to the Teahouse. Non-free images can't be used in draft space. You'll need to wait until the draft is approved. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 14:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright then, Thank you for your swift reply! Pothos144 (talk) 14:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Order of an author's names in external links, etc.

In many articles with external links and/or bibliographies the order is Surname Given Name familiar from outside WP. Is there a WP Manual of Style section indicating that's WP style? Mcljlm (talk) 19:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: Hi there! In Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout, see the "Further reading" and "External links" sections. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Useful sections GoingBatty but I don't see the order of authors' names mentioned. Mcljlm (talk) 22:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: The Further reading section states "An optional bulleted list, usually alphabetized, ...formatted in the same citation style used by the rest of the article." Click the Wikipedia:Further reading link and you'll see the merits of chronological vs. alphabetized, and the statement "You may want to organize the items, either alphabetically, by date, or by some other criterion."

I don't see mention of authors in the "External links" section or Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#External links section or Wikipedia:External links. WP:ELORDER mentions putting the official website first and using simple links. GoingBatty (talk) 22:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Those are useful but I'm wondering why the Surname Given name/Given name Surname issue isn't mentioned. Is there more specific page I could post my question? Mcljlm (talk) 15:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: If you're wondering why something isn't mentioned on one of those pages, you can post on its associated talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 15:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Aidan White (journalist)

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people § Aidan White (journalist)

Why was this page deleted? Aidanpwhite (talk) 08:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aidanpwhite. Looks like it was deleted because Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aidan White (journalist) closed as delete. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

It was a special case of deletion after an AfD, a soft delete; if you want it restored, make a request at WP:REFUND. Lectonar (talk) 09:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aidanpwhite Judging by your username, you are the subject of that article. While it is fine to ask for its restoration to the encyclopaedia as it was just before deletion, you should not edit it directly afterwards, as you have a conflict of interest. See this guidance for what you may do, which includes suggesting edits via its Talk Page, perhaps using the wizard which will draw your suggestions to the attention of others. We do want to see the article improved with sources preferably meeting these criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Titles of medical articles

Hello together

I'm not completely new to Wikipedia but I wonder where the naming conventions for medical articles are recorded and how to propose a change or more specifically, an addition. I think about conventions for articles that describe a part or quality of something else e. g. posterior compartment of the forearm where the forearm is the "something" and the posterior compartment is the "part". –Tobias (talk) 14:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tobiasi0: Welcome to the Teahouse! WP:MEDTITLE may be what you're looking for. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that looks quite good. But can I just propose a change for discussion on the talk page there? –Tobias (talk) 15:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tobiasi0: Of course you may. GoingBatty (talk) 16:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you :) –Tobias (talk) 16:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tobiasi0 I've no strong feelings about this but note that WP:Redirects are cheap so it doesn't much matter. The article you mention already has several. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry. The article I mentioned will be fine, that was nothing more than an example to show what I mean. I'm rather concerned about the title of other articles. –Tobias (talk) 15:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Rules about copying text?

I am editing this article Margherita Carosio

From previous experiences, i know i can copy text from one wikipedia article into another if i mention it in my edit summary. But this article uses a paragraph from a journalistic article (it is an obituary). i cited it as a reference, since the obituary was already cited in the article. should i mention something in an edit summary? isn't this plagiarism? Drew Stanley (talk) 03:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Drew Stanley: I'm not entirely clear on what you are asking. You should not copy from outside sources, but instead put the material into your own words and cite the source. RudolfRed (talk) 03:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

It looks like someone else copied from an outside source - see the paragraph "Latterly,..."Drew Stanley (talk) 03:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

in this case, i'd remove all of the copied material and rewrite it, citing the source at the end. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 04:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

thanks i will do thatDrew Stanley (talk) 17:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The CVU

I joined the CVU and then realised that it said you had to have gone through CVU academy training to have the CVU member userbox. Does this mean that I have to go through training to be a member of it. It also said that I have to have 200 mainspace edits, to join the academy, is there anywhere that I can check that. I have just over 200 total edits.

Thanks Tescomealdeal1 (talk) 13:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tescomealdeal1: Hi there! You can click on the "|c|" in your signature to go to Special:Contributions/Tescomealdeal1 to see you have 242 total edits. Instead of counting how many mainspace edits you have, you can scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on "Edit count" to go to https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Tescomealdeal1 which shows you have 105 mainspace edits.

If your other questions aren't answered here or at Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit, you can ask at their talk page: Wikipedia talk:Counter-Vandalism Unit. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you (: Tescomealdeal1 (talk) 17:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the c is a side effect of User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/teahouseTalkbackLink.js. Sincerely, Dilettante 17:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

rvv

what does rvv mean in edit summaries Numspan33 (talk) 17:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Numspan33, welcome to the Teahouse. As you can see explained here, it means, approximately, "revert vandalism". 57.140.16.57 (talk) 17:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Article taken down

Hi, I am working on an article about the Kyoto Garden in London and it got taken down. I'm not sure why. I just posted an outline so far but there is no current article. I'm not sure the problem. Tking1225 (talk) 17:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

It looks like @Explicit removed what looked like a blank page - possibly because your 'outline' was on the draft's Talk Page rather than the Draft page itself. They might be able to put it back. ---- D'n'B-t -- 18:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Does minor coverage in tech reviews make an electronic device notable?

I have just come across a few articles which I don't think fit here on Wikipedia: MobiBLU DAH-1500i, Q-Be and Cube2. My reason is that I do not believe them to be notable: it seems like these three devices are not much more notable than any other MP3 players from a similar time period, perhaps besides the novelty factor of the cube shape and the small size. I want to nominate them for deletion, but I have never nominated anything for deletion before and I don't want to cause any trouble.

From what I can tell, the only real coverage of these devices is in tech reviews. There are a couple of reviews by "big" websites (e.g. CNET) but I know that there is precedent for journalists being sent free products so that they review them to generate media coverage for them and boost sales. For that reason, I am inclined to believe that these articles could be deleted as non-notable, but I haven't been able to find any concrete information in the Wikipedia guidelines about whether a review of a product should be considered a) grounds for notability and b) a reliable source.

Are there any guidelines that cover this kind of case? Is there any precedent for deletions where the only media coverage of a topic is tech reviews? I've had a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Technology and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Electronics but I haven't found anything useful. AlexGallon (talk) 17:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I've just seen that WP:SPIP has the following:

"The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic worth writing and publishing non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it—without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter."

I'm still not sure if this is reason enough for deletion because I do not know if the reviews were incentivised – all I know is that they could have been incentivised. Even if the reviews were independent, though, I don't think the existing coverage of the topics in the articles in question shows notability. There aren't many reviews out there anyway, regardless of why they were written. AlexGallon (talk) 18:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I have just found Yet Another Cleaner, which was an article that was deleted multiple times. I can only see a discussion for one of those deletions, which is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yet Another Cleaner. The fact that the page was deleted several times makes me more confident that nominating the pages I've found for deletion would be the right thing to do, but I'm still not sure. AlexGallon (talk) 18:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I have found WP:PRODUCT which is somewhat useful. It doesn't answer my question because I still don't know if the small number of product reviews constitute "sustained coverage in reliable secondary sources", but the guideline certainly seems to suggest that if deletion is not appropriate, the pages should be merged (as opposed to nothing being done). AlexGallon (talk) 18:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Review failed for page

Need help in understanding , publishing the page TESPL (talk) 16:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Manav Poddar

@TESPL: You did not provide any citations to published independent sources. See WP:REFB for help on that. Also, the draft is written like a resume/CV, not an encyclopedia article. RudolfRed (talk) 16:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Sentences such as "His educational trajectory equipped him with a comprehensive understanding of design principles, spatial aesthetics, and project management, laying the groundwork for his successful foray into the corporate landscape." and EVERYTHING like that must be deleted, and references for all facts provided. David notMD (talk) 18:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Ban Users

Where do I ask an Administrator to ban or restrict users? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 13:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine, welcome to the Teahouse. If it's simple vandalism, reports go to WP:AIV; for disruptive behavior in general, WP:ANI, but be sure to read all the instructions at the top and bring examples of bad behavior to make your case. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 13:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:WHYBLOCK for common block reasons. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

IS there a specific article or User you have concerns about? Is it that a reviewer has Rejected Draft:Air India Flight 829? David notMD (talk) 15:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

User talk:112.158.137.207. He kept disrupting articles about Aviation, like Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 & Turkish Airlines Flight 981, despite being given several warnings. Looks like he is already blocked from editing so that concludes it, I guess. Not sure how my draft is related to this. CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 16:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The question was a guess on my part - often editors show up at Teahouse because of edits to a recently created draft or article. David notMD (talk) 18:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

How to fix template errors

In the {{Infobox independence declaration}}, the labels and datas from parameter |independence_from1= to | republic1 are not showing up when using on other articles, its other headers are showing up in every article, its root page and its transclusion articles if i remove {{#if:}} since it is my very first infobox template, i asked to help fix the error at the wikipedia help desk but i had no idea how to fix the errors. {{efn|the current vrsion: MAL MALDIVE (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@MAL MALDIVE: You asked for assistance at Wikipedia:Help desk#Template about 3 1/2 hours ago. It can take longer than that for volunteers to respond, so please don't post the same issue at both the Help desk and the Teahouse on the same day. GoingBatty (talk) 20:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

How to verify Calbee is also a cereal manufacturer?

I made an edit here on Calbee https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Calbee&diff=prev&oldid=1218435177 and it was reversed. The company sells snack as well as cereal and other food as seen here https://www.calbee.co.jp/en/products/. Its other snacks such as potatoes sticks are also very popular, though I do not know how to really prove such popularity formally. Do I find articles promoting said products?

I also find "snack food manufacturer" to be a weird way to word things. I'm not sure though.

On a completely different note, the 5th link is broken. Here's an archive of said link: https://web.archive.org/web/20110930220900/http://www.wjactv.com/money/14146322/detail.html . Should I replace the link? Contributin (talk) 19:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Contributin: You should cite a reliable source. The archive links for ref #5 already seems to be in place. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Contributin: for what it's worth, this aged BrE editor finds "snack food manufacturer" to be a perfectly normal and usual description, and indeed preferable to "snack food maker" (which mildly suggests a single person rather than a large company). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.145.123 (talk) 20:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Policy about bureaucracy

There is some page describing something in the sense of 'avoid going trough all the formal bureaucratic procedures, be bold'. I am not referring to WP:BOLD or WP:BUREAU. Any clue which article I mean? PhotographyEdits (talk) 21:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @PhotographyEdits. Are you remembering Wikipedia:Ignore all rules, perhaps? 57.140.16.57 (talk) 21:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Nope PhotographyEdits (talk) 22:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe WP:SNOW (which is an essay, not a guideline)? Cremastra (talk) 22:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

That's it, thank you! PhotographyEdits (talk) 22:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Can people make articles

H 71.142.97.181 (talk) 00:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP user and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, but please read Wikipedia:Your first article. Wikipedia requires things to be covered by independent, reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject. Also, see WP:GNG. Plus, creating articles from scratch is a hard thing to do when you're starting out. (Some good recommendations for what you can do to improve Wikipedia are available at the task center.) Anyway, welcome! ‍Relativity ⚡️ 00:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft resubmission

Hello,

I'm writing to request help with a draft I've been working on for the past two weeks. I recently added some requested changes and am awaiting feedback. Could you tell me what I need to do next? I hit publish so other reviewers should be able to get in touch. I was not able to reach my assigned reviewer.

Thank you, Divya Divyan87 (talk) 03:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:P.K. Narayana Pillai has been declined three times (and submitted a fourth). Reviewers have given reasons as part of the review, and also more detail on your Talk page. There is no such practice as an "assigned reviewer", although in the history of this draft, the same reviewer is responsible for the three Declined. David notMD (talk) 03:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @David notMD I'm seeing the following message on my home page: "Your mentor: We’ve assigned you an experienced editor to answer your questions about editing. Learn more about mentors." I was assigned to Festucalex. Perhaps they have a different function. Divyan87 (talk) 21:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, mentors are assigned at random to a subset of new editors, but are not AfC Reviewers. David notMD (talk) 01:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Photo

I have a photo that I would like to upload to a page, but Wikipedia will not allow it. How may I upload the image? Thank you. Rmavila2024 (talk) 00:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Rmavila2024 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New accounts cannot directly upload images to this Wikipedia locally. If you took the image yourself, it is already in the public domain(due to its age or being, for example, a work of the US federal government), or you can prove it has been released with a copyright allowing for reuse for any purpose with attribution, you may upload it to Commons. See WP:UPIMAGE for more information. 331dot (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 2605:59C8:31EB:E910:C75:D2F:5D18:6BF8 (talk) 02:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rmavila2024: you triggered an automated warning by trying to upload a small resolution image as a new user. As you have claimed this image as your own work (meaning that you held the camera and took the photograph) you probably have a higher resolution version from your camera which should work. MKFI (talk) 06:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

It is an original photograph that includes my grandfather among other professors of Adamson University. If I understand you correctly, the issue is due to the image resolution not being high enough?

Thank you. 2605:59C8:31EB:E910:C75:D2F:5D18:6BF8 (talk) 02:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

WiKi Standard?

Hi, I just started learning rules and editing on wiki. In the meantime, I found that some pages are either outdated or contain large original research without reliable sources or citations. Wondering how to improve this situation. An example: Mobile enterprise asset management MaydayOnMayday (talk) 01:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

MaydayOnMayday: not all content on Wikipedia aligns with content standards, so that's why you're invited to change it. Since the article has little to no sources, if I were to 'refresh' the article, I would find books, journal articles, etc. that discuss the subject and try to rewrite the whole thing. You may also find that there aren't enough sources to find, in which case you may want to re-evaluate its notability and maybe nominate it for deletion. Of course, if you are not interested in mobile enterprise asset management, you can always find another article to improve.

Note that the process I described above has a steep learning curve and it's recommended to start with easier edits (like those at Special:Homepage). You can ask any questions here, or to your mentor. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 03:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Errors on diagram at File:Pangaea_to_present.gif

File:Pangaea_to_present.gif

The caption "PERMIAN" should say "LATE TRIASSIC", The caption "TRIASSIC" should say "EARLY JURASSIC". The caption "JURASSIC" should say "LATE JURASSIC" The caption "CRETACEOUS 65 million years ago" should say "EARLY CRETACEOUS 66 million years ago" 115.64.115.23 (talk) 09:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Please make any suggestions for improvements or corrections to a specific article on that article's talk page, together with your reasons. Thay way, you will be in contact with editors who understand that subject better than volunteers at the Teahouse. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor! It appears that user Awickert got the file from the US Geological Survey on this web page, which has a contact email address at the bottom of the page. In the meantime, if you have a suggestion for a better image to use in the Pangaea article, you could post at Talk:Pangaea. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

About this last: not early, but late. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 03:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

how to deal with possible copyright violation

Hi folks- I was fixing disambiguation links when I stumbled across NGC 2556. I followed one of the sources out of curiosity and noticed that the article copied a sentence word-for-word from the source in question (see this version, current as of earlier today and the very first version of the article, where there wasn't even a citation).

I did a quick rewrite to remove the offending sentence (though I don't feel 100% confident about whether I did that correctly), but wasn't sure if that was enough. I have sometimes seen revision deletion used in article histories, but I don't know if that is appropriate here (on the one hand, it's just one sentence, but on the other hand, it also was present in every single revision).

It's possible that it will all be a moot point, as there is a notability template up on the article, but I thought it might come up again, so I might as well figure out how to deal with it in the future. Cleancutkid (talk) 06:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Cleancutkid. Try taking a look at WP:COPYVIO and WP:CV101 because those pages provide some general guidance on what to do where you suspect something like this. If you have more specific questions after looking at those page, you can try WP:CP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this. The policy pages can sometimes seem a bit long/convoluted, but I hadn't seen the 101 page. I think I've taken care of it now. Cleancutkid (talk) 05:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Person creating their own Wikipedia article?

I've been around a while, but haven't really been active in editing. I'm wondering how I should go about flagging a page that I suspect of being written by the subject? Or a task force to notify? The content itself isn't overly terrible and doesn't look to be a paid editor situation, but I'm sure this raises some notability/conflict of interest concerns that should be noted somewhere. Alimorel (talk) 04:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

You could use the {{COI}} template. Remember to write something on the talk page about why you added it. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 06:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Alimorel It is not prohibited to create an autobiography, only strongly discouraged because most people can't write one of an acceptable standard, for the reasons explained at that link. However, if an autobiography writer uses the WP:AfC process via a draft article which gets accepted by reviewers, then that is fine. Hence you need to look at the history of the article to check whether it did go through that process. Sometimes, of course, the subject of the article wasn't the one who created it but added inappropriate content later. See this guideline for what it is and isn't acceptable for article subjects to do. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Mobile view sees a citation error; desktop view sees no problem. Eh???

Can make any sense of this? At Lunar month, citation 8 gets an error Chapront-Touzé & Chapront (1988). Harv error: link from CITEREFChapront-Touz%C3%A9Chapront1988 doesn't point to any citation but the cited source is certainly there. Exactly the same article read on desktop view sees no problem and [8] resolves as expected. Any suggestions? Something to do with the é being interpreted as %C4%A9, perhaps? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I checked Template talk:Sfn and found that it's caused by (apparently) the mobile view of MediaWiki interpreting the sfn as a url and not an anchor. Here's the related Phabricator bug report from a few months ago: T348928 Reconrabbit 14:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

TYVM, I should have guessed that I wouldn't be the first to encounter it. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

My article

Why was my article Lunar Calendar (ancient Egypt) moved to Draftspace without reasons that it was not ready for Mainspace? Numspan33 (talk) 13:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I think you need to take a look at Your First Article, that page should help you dramatically. Currently your article has a large amount of errors, including broken templates, the infobox is broken, there are redlinks to things that will likely never exist and there's syntax of some kind lower down on the page that seems to be trying to create columns which is pretty badly broken. There's also some basic sections missing like a reference list. Please see the Manual of Style's layout guide for more on that. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I've fixed a bunch of it, though I've left some things behind that needs more work than I'm willing to spend on this right now. Also, from the names of a few templates I gathered this a (incomplete) translation of de:Mondkalender (Altes Ägypten). @Numspan33: Translating from other-language Wikipedias is permitted, but there are a few rules that need to be followed. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedians who are cats Category deleted under G4.

I made this category, and it got deleted. Category:Wikipedians who are cats. It seems it was deleted before? Can someone help me find where any discussion about its possible predecessor is? Thank You, DragonY (talk) 03:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @YarnDragon10 and welcome to the teahouse. The two discussions I can find about that category are Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 September 21#Category:Wikipedians that are cats and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 February 24# Category:Wikipedians that are cats. Hope that helps. Skynxnex (talk) 04:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! Should I delete this topic now?

DragonY (talk) 04:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Normally discussions in the tea house are kept on the page for future reference; topics are archived in fairly short order by a bot. Skynxnex (talk) 04:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks

DragonY (talk) 14:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Norman Inkster

Good morning , I am not tech capable in anyway. Would someone be interested in adding Norman Inkster, or a link to his Wikipedia page, to the page about Broadview Saskatchewan Canada. His family lived in Broadview while he and his brothers were in school and he is remembered and respected by the people who knew him, and still live in Broadview. My husband has good memories of the whole family. 2604:3D09:3E81:F00:C13A:886:8293:AAA9 (talk) 14:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Done. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Broadview, Saskatchewan. GoingBatty (talk) 15:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Content translation tool

Hello, WP:CXT has a problem in correctly transferring references to the translation page, and after publishing the article, it shows a non-existent reference error. What is the reason for this problem and where should I raise this issue to fix it? Pereoptic ^Talk✉️   14:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pereoptic: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest raising the issue at Wikipedia talk:Content translation tool, with an example showing the error. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Pereoptic ^Talk✉️   15:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Soliciting feedback on Mars and the Solar System articles

Hey, sorry if the Teahouse is a little bit out of place for this request, but I think this is the best place to ask about it. I have a hunch that Mars, the Solar System, and many other astronomy articles on Wikipedia have lots of potential for improvement, specially about making them more digestible and engaging to normal people. Obviously, we Wikipedians, are not normal in the sense that we can read 10k+ words a day without breaking a sweat, so we don't know how do "normal people" feel when they read these articles. My goal is to make these articles actually fun and good enough for everyday people.

So, if you are a reader or an occasional editor on Wikipedia, please, please, please shoot your ideas at Talk:Mars and Talk:Solar System. I will reply to you asap :) CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Posting this to Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomy might be an idea too. Lectonar (talk) 12:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I will give this a go as well. But I want to get feedback from those that not normally editing Wikipedia as well because I want to diagnose readability issues. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Me thinks it should be enough to find people who aren't into Astronomy, so to speak. You don't necessarily need non-editors :). Lectonar (talk) 12:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Regarding "more digestible and engaging to normal people" I think you will find Simple English Wikipedia more suitable for your needs. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

No. Simple english wikipedia is for people that is learning English. What I meant by making it "more digestible and engaging to normal people" are as in reorganizing the content and such. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Those are both Featured Articles, so expect pushback, much as you have seen to your edits of Solar System. I do agree with your thought that Teahouse not quite the right place to ask, but the Talk pages of those articles will do. David notMD (talk) 13:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not going to make sweeping changes to the article. In fact I want to get feedback first in order to decide what to do next. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 13:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@CactiStaccingCrane I don't know why you think that the Simple English Wikipedia is only "for people that is learning English". Its mainpage says Simple does not mean short. Writing in Simple English means that simple words are used. It does not mean readers want basic information. Articles do not have to be short to be simple; expand articles, add details, but use basic vocabulary. (my emphasis). Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

sorry i made a mess with a userbox page and now i need help

as i said i apologise for the inconvenience but i (mistakenly but now am sure i want it back) moved User:Gooduserdude/Westworld to User:Gooduserdude/test page so what i need now (i cant do it myself) is for it to be moved to its original location and the new test page to be deleted Gooduserdude (talk) 13:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Gooduserdude, and welcome to the Teahouse. Don't worry about making mistakes: we all do.

Since there's almost nothing on it, the simplest thing is to abandon it and start a new one. If you want it actually deleted, put {{db-g7}} (with the curly brackets) at the top, and somebody will come along to delete it.

If you don't want to do that, you can ask at requested moves for somebody to move it back.

A third approach is to edit the redirect: if you go to User:Gooduserdude/Westworld, it automatically redirects you to the moved page, but there is a line "Redirected from User:Gooduserdude/Westworld" at the top, and if you pick that, it will take you to the redirection page itself, so you can edit it to remove the redirection. ColinFine (talk) 14:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Have acted upon via WP:RM/TR where @Gooduserdude had filed a technical requested. – robertsky (talk) 15:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

My corrections are being removed without explanation.

I corrected a factual mistake in a Wiki article and included a corroborating reference. However, another editor reverted back to the original false claim without explaining how I or my reference source are in error. Elhoti Rodehard (talk) 00:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Elhoti Rodehard: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1221. Please cite the source within the article, and I'd suggest inviting the other user to discuss this on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Elhoti Rodehard: Welcome to the Teahouse! See the "discuss" portion of the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

New page awaiting review

Hi Wikipedia friends. I submitted my first page to the AfC on Feb 4th and it is still awaiting review. I understand there are many submissions and it can take 2 months or more, I just wanted to see if anyone here would be able to take a look? Draft:Bryan Leach. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. Flyguyz93 (talk) 18:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I've done AfC reviewing occasionally, and I guiltily confess that I often look for either easy passes or easy fails. Your draft is fairly long, and has a lot of references, which means it's a bigger job. I would like to think other reviewer's aren't as lazy as me, but that's a possible reason for the long wait. I'll see if I can review the draft in the coming days.

(There's also the technical difficulty that Bryan Leach already exists, but that's fine.) Cremastra (talk) 21:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

It's not even a slight technical difficulty, Cremastra: the matter is very simple. And the draft isn't long. (Leach's notability isn't obvious to me; but it may be to editors more accustomed to articles on US businesspeople than I am, so I'm not going to review the draft.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I meant that the redirect has to be G6 deleted before the page can be moved to mainspace. Cremastra (talk) 22:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Flyguyz93 One problem is that you have made heavy use (cite 1) of a forbes.com source. That is not considered reliable (see WP:FORBESCON). In addition, you say things like Leach's father had a dream of becoming an entrepreneur which seems impossible to verify: and not just because it is uncited! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

And worse, much of the ariticle content is Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing of that Forbes ref. Wikipedia articles need to be written in editors' own words. Due to the extent of this problem, I suspect the only way forward is WP:TNT. DMacks (talk) 11:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I reworded and removed the language closely matching the article and added another source that supports the content. I cleaned it up a bit. I also added a little more info about his career due to some other feedback. This is a stub article, right? So there is room to build it after once published. He was a lawyer and clerk for a Supreme Court Justice and did start a major US company, plus is active in the community. Based on all that, it seems his contributions are notable and a page would be reasonable. Flyguyz93 (talk) 15:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I removed a few portions that weren't mentioned by the ref. Cremastra (talk) 12:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

IMO the company warrants an article, but not Leach. David notMD (talk) 12:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Flyguyz93 The idea that Wikipedia needs lots more stubs is debatable (and my view is that it does not). Quality articles on notable subjects are what we need. I agree with David that Ibotta is a valid article but that also needs much more work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Why my page was rejected?

Why my page was rejected? I know there is another draft that I started previously with another login (@limanarui33). what happend is that the password is ALWAYS given error. I tried to talk to someone but it´s really difficult to understand how. For that reason I created a new login (@limanarui33.1982) and restarted. At this point I can say the innitially page can be deleted but I cannot understyand how. I also cannot edit the title to remove Professor. I also cannot add the photo. Can you help me? Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 16:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Limanarui33.1982 Hello and welcome. Your draft was declined, not rejected. "Rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft submission process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. "Declined" means that it may be resubmitted.

Photos are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. You don't need to worry about images until the draft is accepted into the encyclopedia. New accounts cannot upload images to this Wikipedia locally. If you took the photo yourself, or it was released under a license that is compatible with Wikipedia's(allowing for reuse by anyone for any purpose with attribution), you may upload it to Commons; see WP:UPIMAGE for more information. 331dot (talk) 16:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33.1982 There is Draft:Changzhi Li and Draft:Changzhi Li, Professor. Decide which one you are going to try to improve and ignore the other. Don't worry about the title while in Draft, that can be fixed if and when accepted. At present, you are a long way off reaching the necessary standard. See WP:BLP and H:YFA for more guidance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello:

I want to keep the Draft:Changzhi Li, Professor.

I used other personal pages as examples that dont even have any reference. I´m not understandig what should I change exacly.

If may say so, there is too much information in the guidance and it turns out to be confusing.

I´ll try. Thank you for your support.

Mana Rui Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 08:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. As you have found, there is a lot to learn. It is usually recommended that newer users first gain experience and knowledge by first editing existing articles in areas that interest them, as well as using the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I copy the model of existing on line pages. For that reason I can not understand why my page is not accepeted. Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 12:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33.1982 I note that the article has now been accepted at Changzhi Li, so well done. It still needs work and additional citations. For example, you say [he was] guest editor for various academic journals and publications. Much better if you could be specific: which in your opinion is/are the most prestigious and can you provide citations, which can be as simple as the journal's homepage at the time his name was there. (The Wayback Machine can provide old links if he is no longer their editor). Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! thankyou. I´ll keep improving. thank you for all the feedback! 193.137.168.16 (talk) 12:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Please make sure you are logged in when you do, as IP edits can't be later credited to your account in the article's history (although you could claim on your account's userpage that you had edited from that IP). Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

1- Ok. i understood as soon as I reply thata was not logged in. sorry.

2- Cncerning the sentence "guest editor for various academic journals and publication", it is true(a long list) but is not detailled because the list of previous editors of academic journals are not available on their web sites, so I can not indicate any references. Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33.1982 Finding sources is a learned skill that Wikipedia editing relies on. What, in your opinion, is the single longest/most important editorship he held? If you mention it here I'm sure that I or someone else will find a suitable citation. We even have a Reference desk where people can seek help with finding such information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Archives

Do all questions posted here get archived? Sometimes I try to go back to a thread I posted (by clicking the link in my Notifications), and the thread has disappeared. When I search the archives of this page, it doesn't come up, either. Wafflewombat (talk) 16:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: Hi there! While vandalism and off-topic posts can be reverted, everything else should be archived. There's an archive search box at the top of the page. When I searched the archives for your unique username, I got there results. GoingBatty (talk) 16:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Wafflewombat (talk) 16:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat You can also tweak your preferences at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets to activate User:SD0001/find-archived-section, which can help (see the documentation at that link). Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism and Edit warring

Hello, i need help on this article Djong (ship), where this user @Nitekuzee keep reverting my edits based on his own unsourced beliefs about the article, i don't know how to deal with this, and the edits were definitely vandalism, the user didn't want to argue and provide any evidence on the talk page but keep stating their own biased belief on the revert section over and over again, the user's talk page has warnings of them making disruptive edits. Thank you! Merzostin (talk) 20:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin, please read WP:3RR. Neither of you should be reverting each other's edits past the third revert, and should instead be discussing this on the talk page. If they continue edit warring, then you may file a report at WP:AN/3, though you should discuss with the user on the talk page first.
Remember that a page can always be restored to an earlier version, and it is not imperative that your preferred revision is always reverted to. – Isochrone (talk) 21:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

i understand, but i thought it's fine to revert obvious Vandalism, this users reverts were based on their own beliefs alone with no source or reference and they didn't engage in the talk page, where i already provided my evidence for the problematic quote (they used description of Chinese ships and passed it off as Javanese ships) Merzostin (talk) 21:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin as mentioned below, a difference of opinions does not constitute vandalism. As you will see on the above page, only obvious vandalism can be reverted as many times as needed. Here, both of you must stop reverting as there have been more than three reverts. On the talk page, you should ping the user with {{ping}} so they are notified of the discussion. – Isochrone (talk) 21:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

okay, i will try that, although from their comments and lack of response to many warnings on their talk page, what should i do next if they didn't respond or engage, may i restore the article? Merzostin (talk) 21:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin you should follow the steps at WP:Edit warring#Handling of edit-warring behaviors, and if all else fails, report the user on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring board. Please note that if you do so, your edits will also be looked at. – Isochrone (talk) 21:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Understood, thank you for your assistance, one more thing

i read about third person opinion, where they can review the evidence and reach consensus, how do i do that or can i just tag someone from this page? Merzostin (talk) 21:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin you can follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Third opinion. – Isochrone (talk) 21:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Long story short, i tried to have argument in Talk:Djong (ship)#Zhou Qufei, Lingwai Daida. i've already provided all evidence while Nitekuzee might not be sane, you can see his replies which didn't even correlate to our topic, and he continue to comment the same irrelevant thing over and over again, while providing 0 credible evidence, making clearer than his reverts were always obvious vandalism.

i don't know why it's so hard to remove this obvious misinformation, i've already applied for third opinion, but denied because there is more than 2 participants, even though the other one only left one comments i applied for dispute resolution, but i doubt Nitekuzee would even participate, so again another road end.. if you can assist me in this matter, i would appreciate it Merzostin (talk) 07:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin, you may want to opt to use the dispute resolution board, but please note it requires the active participation of both parties. You might also want to leave {{Please see}} messages on the talk pages of relevant wiki projects to solicit more views, so more people can participate in the discussion. As a last resort, you may request a WP:RFC for the discussion. I note that your replies are getting a bit heated. Remember that there is no deadline, and you might want to take a step back from a dispute for a bit and return later. – Isochrone (talk) 09:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

ok thank you, i think yes i'm a bit heated because how can anyone want to defend clear misinformation and it's really hard to take down obvious misinformation, i find that the process could allow more of this things happenings (Nitekuzee really told me to open youtube comments as his evidence, how can i not be heated lol) Merzostin (talk) 09:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

before this was archived, may i ask if i can send (personally) RfC notice to people from the category list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Feedback_request_service#History_and_geography? since haven't got any participants and i checked some from the category it didn't reach their talk page (even though they can receive 10 notice or more), thank you. Merzostin (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin It should automatically send messages-- you should not manually inform users. – Isochrone (talk) 16:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

understood, can anyone participate in RfC or it should only be someone who already agreed to join RfC? for example, can you participate? Merzostin (talk) 16:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Merzostin, Nitekuzee: "vandalism" does not mean "expressing an opinion that I disagree with". Please both see WP:VANDAL for how the word should be used here on Wikipedia. If you continue edit-warring, you both risk being banned from editing. Instead you should discuss the issues on the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 21:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Links

While creating a page you can use the same reference multiple times. How can you avoid this and combine the links into one reference? Maria1718182 (talk) 16:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Maria, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can use named references for this - see that link for details. ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Maria1718182: I've added named references to the Deva Cassel article for you. GoingBatty (talk) 17:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Maria1718182 (talk) 17:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Nominating Articles for Deletion

I've seen people nominate articles for deletion, such as United Airlines Flight 35 & United Airlines Flight 1118. Question is: How do I nominate articles for deletion? Also, if the majority vote for deletion, will the article be deleted automatically or manually? Secondly, if I want to restore an article which was wrongfully deleted, how do I do that? Finally, if I have to ask an admin to restore an article, where do I ask? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 17:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Articles are deleted in (to my knowledge) three different ways.

One is speedy deletion, which is where issues are egregious and it should've never been on Wikipedia. Either that or the creator and sole substantial editor wants to delete a page. The second is a proposed deletion, which is for uncontroversial deletions. If the proposed deletion remains on a page for a period of more than 7 days without being removed then the page itself can be deleted. Then there's Articles for Deletion, where a discussion as to whether a page should be deleted will take place. If the discussion is obviously going to result in deletion, it will be closed early. If not, the discussion could take days or weeks, with the result being decided essentially by the best argument for or against in regards to policy. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and for your last two questions, there's WP:UNDELETE, where you can either get a page returned to draftspace or placed in your userspace, known as draftifying and userifying respectively. There are specific cases where draftifying and userifying is impossible, but you can read more at the page linked above. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Understood. But how do I nominate an article for deletion? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 18:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Please see each of the pages linked above, you can see how to nominate an article for each of the types of deletion on those pages.

Alternatively, you can use a tool like Twinkle to do all of that semi-automatically. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Reporting Countscarter

I'm coming here since this may be the safest place to do, especially since I never reported on a user before. Over the past month Countscarter has been constantly making unsourced edit contributions along with providing little to no communication with other editors, including the near-total lack of edit summaries. Countscarter has recently been in a brief edit war over editing the article for Fixed, providing no references for justification and insisted on their edits through word of mouth. (Also to note are similar actions done by BloodshotStudios with said article.) Countscarter has been warned for their actions at least five times, including by me. After recent unsourced contributions on Annapurna Pictures and Ice Age, I decided I can no longer assume good faith in this user. I've been tracking their edits for the past week now, although I have forgotten the initial article that grabbed my attention. If I have done anything unintentionally out of malice, please let me know. I don't commit to tracking unless it's for the sake of preserving better-written information. Lastly to note they've done dozens of edits on Scene It?; I suggest someone review the article's quality since there's too many edits to focus on briefly. Carlinal (talk) 17:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Carlinal: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1221. Something like this is much more appropriate at a noticeboard like the ANI. Be aware that if you do file a report, your own behaviour will also be looked at. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. Carlinal (talk) 18:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Copyright

Was this a copyright violation? I tried it in my own words. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=That_Girl_Lay_Lay_(TV_series)&diff=1214846489&oldid=1214784889&title=That_Girl_Lay_Lay_%28TV_series%29&diffonly=1 Cwater1 (talk) 14:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cwater1: Welcome to the Teahouse! To determine whether the text you added was a copyright violation, we should compare the text with your source. What was your source for this text? GoingBatty (talk) 15:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cwater1 The second sentence is identical to a fandom post. Plot summaries don't always require citation (see WP:PLOTCITE) but must never be copied verbatim from elsewhere. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Apologies though. A synopsis would be better instead of simple plot. It would still need to be in own words. I don't think Fandom is considered a reliable source. Cwater1 (talk) 19:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Miss America 2025 (a pending article)

The first contestant of the Miss America 2025 which will come either for late 2024 or very early 2025 will be Miss Vermont 2024. The Miss Vermont contest is expected somewhere between April 11 and April 14. Though I improved the Miss America 2025 article here, she still has a ways to go before completion after next year’s Miss America Pageant. Can everybody please do their parts in improving this Wikipedia article? There are good and multiple sources in Miss America 2025 draft here on the English Wikipedia. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 18:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

This is not the forum to request that others edit a particular article. No one has any specific "part" to play here- people do what they choose to do. 331dot (talk) 19:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Angela, and welcome to the Teahouse. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources have published on a subject: that is all.

Since no such source yet exist about Miss America 2025 (at least, your draft does not cite any) there is literally nothing that can go into an article about Miss America 20245 today.

Please wait until the sources exist, and then write your draft from them, rather than WP:BACKWARDS. ColinFine (talk) 21:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Asking about a draft me and my friend did

Basically we did somewhat of a school project (our teachers will make it known across the school that we made an article and will make students use the page for an assignment soon ) on a mosque near our school. So is there a school project category we could add to the draft so that it can get a speedy review? Here is the link btw: Draft:Sidi Bishr Mosque Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 11:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

There is no quicker way to get a page reviewed I'm afraid, the page reviewers are all volunteers and they get to pages in no particular order. You could be waiting a couple days, or up to 2 months or more. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh I thought there was. Ok thanks a lot Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 11:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I see that the draft has now been accepted as an article. I am surprised by the claim that the mosque predates the life of Mohammed. Maproom (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom, @Moe the Alexandrian I think that is an "AH" date. MOS:ERA suggests a conversion should be provided. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Yep, it's an AH date. Sorry for the confusion. Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 17:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Moe the Alexandrian I've linked to other languages via the Wikidata item and wikilinked the AH. I note you have now put in CE centuries but can you please check these? If today is 1445 AH, then I don't think that the 17th century CE can be the 5th century AH. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

thanks a lot for your help sir. Answer your question, I used this page: Timeline of Islamic history to help me identify the centuries in CE. It is stated that the 17th century CE begins at the year 1009 AH, which is the year the 5th century starts in the AH calendar. So I think I'm right, unless I'm very much mistaken, and if I am mistaken indeed please let me know! Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Who knew arithmetic was so complicated! Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Moe the Alexandrian Looking at Timeline of Islamic history § Islamic centuries to Gregorian I'm not sure you are correct! If you know an event happens in 1705 CE (i.e. the 18th century CE), then that is (by the linked table) in the 12th century AH. I think you made the mistake of looking for the 5th century AH and read across to 1009 - 1106: but these are the equivalent CE dates, not the AH ones. WP:TROUT me if I'm wrong. Of course, since I don't read Arabic, I don't know what date the source you are using actually says. Mike Turnbull (talk) 23:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah, you're definitely right. You read my mind, that's exactly what I did, I thought they were AH dates, but I thought wrong. I will change that error as soon I come back from a short trip I'm having. As for the arabic sources, don't really specify dates. Although there's much details about the mosque it seems there isn't much about the person it is named after, as he lived an isolated life and he preferred to live alone to worship and be closer to God. This might be the reason why they don't have exact dates of when he was born. Moe the Alexandrian (talk) 02:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

A.I. images instead of real photographs

Where do you report A.I. images/artwork being used instead of actual photographs? And does Wikipedia have an A.I. alert in place yet for these kind of things? A.I. images shouldn't be allowed when pretending to be real photographs. Please advise. Thank you! WHIMPEYD (talk) 00:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

WHIMPEYD, first check to see whether the file is at Commons. (It probably is.) If so, and if a fake is described/presented as if it were a photograph, then start a new thread at the foot of commons:Commons:Village pump. If the problem is specific to a use, or uses, in English-language Wikipedia, then perhaps WP:Help desk. -- Hoary (talk) 01:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good, thank you for the info! WHIMPEYD (talk) 05:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Requesting unprotection for multiple pages

I found some pages that are currently fully protected from more than 10 years ago and have little to no history of vandalism. I would like those pages to be unprotected so non-admins can add rcats. How do I make such a request? TheWikiCyclone (talk) 02:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for page protection includes an option for "request page unprotection".

I'd also point out that "fully protected from more than 10 years ago" and "little to no history of vandalism" may be causally linked. DS (talk) 03:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven Yes, but however I am trying to list all of the pages that need to be unprotected in a single request. For example, if I the following pages to be unprotected:

• Tramp stamp
• Blackwater USA
• Hard Gay
• Gheert Cremer
• Mollusk

TheWikiCyclone (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Each of these pages, TheWikiCyclone, is a redirect. Anyone with a good reason to have, say, Mollusk either become an article so titled or redirect somewhere other than Mollusca is free to propose just that. Launching a discussion of whether Mollusk (with the others) should be unprotected on the off-chance that somebody might have a good reason to repurpose it yet be too timid to ask for unprotection in order to allow such repurposing strikes me as a waste of people's time. Still, if you must request it, then DragonflySixtyseven has pointed to the place where you can do so. -- Hoary (talk) 05:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 05:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Uploading screenshots in Wikipedia Commons

I just noticed an editor uploaded a YouTube screenshot in Wikipedia Commons[9]. Is this allowed? Hotwiki (talk) 06:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hotwiki, that's a Commons matter, not an en:Wikipedia matter. And it doesn't claim to be from YouTube. However, there's no evidence on commons:File:Kylie Minogue for Life in Looks by Vogue (cropped).png that it's either in the public domain or copyleft, so please go there, click on "Nominate for deletion", and add a comment such as "No evidence that this is not conventionally copyright ('all rights reserved')". -- Hoary (talk) 06:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

It should be better attributed. These images have their own category: c:Category:Screenshot images from VOGUE Taiwan YouTube account, and you can look up previous deletion discussions for some of them. It appears that Vogue Taiwan released a lot of videos under a CC licence, for example, see the description for this one.[10] You'd need to ask if it's a legit account that holds the copyright, and whether they released it under this licence. It looks to me like the answer is yes. But as Hoary says, it's initially a commons issue. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 06:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the responses, Hoary and zzuuzz. Hotwiki (talk) 07:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Article Posting

How do I post/create an article on Wikipedia? Elite death (talk) 07:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Elite death Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your very common question is like asking "how do I build a house?" It is a very complicated process that requires much education and knowledge, one cannot just dive right in to home building. You need an understanding of land acquisition, permitting, construction, plumbing, electrical, landscaping, and so on- you can't just start nailing lumber together if you want to succeed. Writing a new article is similar- it is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia. New users who dive right in often end up frustrated and angry as something they spent hours on is mercilessly criticized, edited, and deleted by others. I don't want you to have any bad feelings here. It is highly recommended that you first gain experience and knowledge by spending time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial will help you as well. I'll post some information on your user talk page.

However, if you still want to attempt to create a new article now, please see Your First Article, and then visit the article wizard to create and submit a draft for review(new accounts cannot directly create articles). You will want to first gather at least three independent reliable sources that give the topic you want to write about significant coverage, and show how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. What do you want to write about? 331dot (talk) 08:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Paid a company

If I paid a company to do an article to be placed on Wikipedia and we are dissatisfied and we complain and they threaten that if we do anything to change the article, it will be dropped and the name will be "blacklisted." Is this true? 136.36.42.71 (talk) 22:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

No, that's not true. Sounds to me like you are being scammed. See WP:SCAM. 331dot (talk) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Please discontinue ALL PAYMENTS with them, this is a SCAM.

331 is an admin. He would know. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 03:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you've been scammed.

Whether an article about you is kept, altered, or deleted, depends on Wikipedia's rules: the people who scammed you have no power over it. Nor, I'm afraid, do you; but you are welcome to request changes to it (which may or may not be met, again, dependent on how far they match Wikipedia's principles).

If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (most of us do not), then the article may well be kept, but if you do not, it will eventually be deleted.

If you wish to request edits to it, please use the edit request wizard to do so. ColinFine (talk) 09:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Does the article exist as an article or just a draft? Either way, if you provide a name you will get better advice. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Feedback

the (very quick) feedback is my submittal reads like an advertisement. I disagree. it is fact based and full of citations that are long standing and varied. How do i get other feedback? Gardendcs (talk) 23:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Gibbs Gardens. 331dot (talk) 23:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gardendcs: Hi there! Although several editors have posted on your talk page, I don't see where you have declared a conflict of interest on your user page or at Draft talk:Gibbs Gardens. The draft has two unreferenced sections. The MSN reference needs to be fixed. I didn't check the references to see whether they are independent sources. GoingBatty (talk) 01:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Gardendcs Unreferenced content added by an editor with an undeclared conflict of interest is advertising. The tone of the draft is "this is a really great place" rather than neutrally describing what the place is. Properly declare your conflict of interest, add references to reliable sources for all unreferenced content, or

remove the unreferenced content. Cullen328 (talk) 05:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

For example, the text has "In spring, weeping willows and cobalt-blue variegated water irises are reflected in the ponds. Ferns and the blossoms of Kurume, Satsuki, Indica and native azaleas; dogwoods; mountain laurels; Yoshino and Kwanzan cherry trees; trilliums and wildflowers are in bloom. In fall, the Japanese Gardens feature vivid foliage colors in shades of red, gold and crimson." Is that your personal observation or a source that can be referenced? If the latter, did you copy, which would be a copyright violation. David notMD (talk) 10:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

RfC lack comments

I recently created RfCTalk:Djong (ship) on a "History and geography" request for comment. But it lacked any response or comments, am i allowed to sent invitation to comment to random editors to increase response? Merzostin (talk) 07:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin Not "random" editors, please! It is absolutely OK to mention the discussion on the Talk Pages of relevant Projects interested in the article: in this case WP:INA seems to be one. You could also WP:PING editors who have recently contributed to the article to its Talk Page. Use neutral language, see WP:CANVASS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull thank you for the reply, i will post them in Talk Pages of relevant Projects, and also the PING, but i still needed to know if may i request other editors personally on their talk page? ( editors who made edits on historical pages) Merzostin (talk) 10:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, within limits, see WP:APPNOTE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Understood, but i wonder how i could present the notification on their talk page, use RfC template notice or "may i request your comment on Talk:Djong (ship) on a "History and geography" request for commet" which one is more suitable? Merzostin (talk) 11:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Up to you: the template to substitute is {{Rfc notice}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

OK thank you for your help! Merzostin (talk) 12:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

and can i for example ask you to comment? (because i believe the dispute didn't need someone to have interest or knowlegde, since one side have provided evidences, the other haven't and couldn't, it's kinda simple imo) Merzostin (talk) 10:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I won't comment as to do so in an informed way would take too much research in areas I'm not interested in. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Help me!

Hi, I am reverting edits on 2024 Mozambique boat disaster but they keep getting reverted from IP users, in which they change the words to "very lucky people". This is bugging me. Could someone take a look?

Thanks, Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 13:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the page history, it seems like semi-protection might be warranted. You can raise the request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Reference link not useable anymore

What to do when you come across info on a wikipedia page, where the reference link to the reliable source that it came out from does not give the article anymore?

The reference was a link to a yahoo finance article, but since it had been a few years since the reference was made the article is not on their site anymore.

Is the procedure to delete the info that now has no reliable source anymore to back it up?

I tried to find another reliable source to use but no luck Infrabel1 (talk) 13:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Infrabel1, this help topic has everything you need to know on how to fix link rot. The best course of action would be to use IABot, which will automatically look for archives of the link. Let us know if you encounter any issues! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Moving my speedy deletion into draft

Hello, My article I had worked hard on Reference and User Services Association NEW was marked for speedy deletion. I understand why. But I would like it to be moved into draft so myself and others can fix it. Now I can't get to the content anymore to edit it. I took me days to figure out of create the structure and content and I would like to work from that. Any suggestions? Jenny.wombat (talk) 17:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Your draft is here Draft:Reference Services Section (RSS) it has no reliable independent sources though so is unlikely to be accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 17:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Reference and User Services Association NEW was deleted as a copyright violation so wouldn't be refunded. Theroadislong (talk) 17:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I think you mean "wouldn't be undeleted". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:REFUND. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Ecuador Women's National Under-17 Football Team (references)

Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me find references for an article I wrote; Draft:Ecuador Women's National Under-17 Football Team. If so, I would really appreciate your help. Loganmascarenhas (talk) 15:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

You should find your references before drafting an article. I suggest you read WP:BACKWARDS and WP:YFA before continuing. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Draft was deleted because of G11

I have no clue what g11 means, can someone help me. GoldenCraftr (talk) 16:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:G11, it's a deletion criteria for obviously promotional pages. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Listing format of births in given years

I wonder why some pages for some years no longer show the births of celebrities in sequence? that is, it's no longer possible to look up what individuals were born on certain days or weeks (such as 1983, say). That was a wonderful feature that seems to be disappearing for certain years and not others. 2601:249:1A7E:FD40:D177:6C5F:561D:D272 (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Examples? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

1983 § Births and deaths says:

Main pages: Category:1983 births and Deaths in 1983

The category currently has 17,177 pages, not practical for a list. There was a selected list before 9 April 2023.[11] See Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 199 § RFC: split births & deaths from year articles and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years/Archive 18 for related discussions. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Help with draft for foreign language

Can someones from China, speak Chinese, or part of Portal:China help find refs in Chinese website (especially about review/reception, development) or article to expand Draft:The Lost Village (video game). I can't speak Chinese and English is my second language, but now I'm interested in expanding currently trending Indie game from Steam and Epic in Wikipedia.

Also, for the next oppurtunity, where should I post request help similar to this other than in here? EdhyRa (talk) 11:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

EdhyRa, looking for good source material, reading it, digesting it and summarizing it accounts for much of the work of creating an article. So you're essentially asking "Can someone do most of the work needed to create an article on the video game 'The Lost Village'?" This is highly optimistic. If English is a second language for you, congratulations, you have one or more different first languages. This/these may be most useful. For the next opportunity, perhaps read up on a subject that's plentifully written up in a language in which you're adept. -- Hoary (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

That's the problem, the good source material is only in Chinese. That's why I'm asking for help. If no one helped then it's okay. There are many video games released for English version, but most of the material is in original language of the game studio, including local news about game development, and reception like accolades, etc., in Chinese, Japanese, France, Polish, etc.

I thought Wikipedia community is a 'help each other' community, maybe I'm wrong then :( EdhyRa (talk) 13:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

If it weren't, then nobody would be answering questions at the Teahouse!

People work on what they choose. If you want people to do the major work on creating an article, that's not impossible - but why should they put in a lot of effort for something that is what you want to do, rather than what they want to do?

You might possibly have more success asking at WikiProject Videogames, or even WikiProject China; but don't hold your breath. ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Inappropriate content warning

I got this inappropriate content notification that says "Don't post inappropriate content" like I have never posted anything inappropriate, is there a way to fix this issue? Starixxgamerrix (talk) 21:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Which message are you referring to? Something on your user talk page? 331dot (talk) 21:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I was looking at other wikis and found an Italian one, the Google translate thing turned on and it had set to English because I can't understand Italian very well. And I was just browsing and suddenly a message popped up saying "Don't post inappropriate content". On the Italian wiki talk page. Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Starixxgamerrix: Welcome to the Teahouse! The people here at the English Wikipedia cannot make any changes on the Italian Wikipedia. The Italian Wikipedia doesn't seem to have their own Teahouse, but they have a Help Desk at it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni. When I use Google Translate on that page because I don't understand Italian either, I see a message stating "Do not leave your email, telephone numbers, personal and/or sensitive data". It's not an accusation claiming I have done so, but a warning to prevent me from doing so. I hope the "Don't post inappropriate content" is also a warning. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

The whole thing looks a lot like an automated welcome message, really. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Starixxgamerrix: This Teahouse is for the English Wikipedia. Please always say if a post involves another wiki. it:User talk:Starixxgamerrix has an Italian standard welcome message which includes "Scrivi nuove voci o modifica quelle esistenti, ma non inserire contenuti inadatti." Google Translate says "Write new entries or edit existing ones, but don't post inappropriate content." It's about the future and not a comment on something you did. "inappropriate content" links to an Italian page about what not to put on Wikipedia. The message has been posted to more than 600,000 users at the Italian Wikipedia so I guess the wording is not considered controversial. If you wonder why the message came before you had edited then a local version of your account is automatically created at a wiki if you view any page while logged in, and some wikis send welcome messages to new accounts with no edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I know but I forgot to put that thing that involves another wiki Starixxgamerrix (talk) 00:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

A spammer is vandalizing my pages

Hi, one of the spammer attacking personally on pages as he is deleting all my created pages whether they are notable enough and were reviewed by the other editors which means my pages were passed in the review process. The spammer continuously marking my pages for deletion. CharlesBNB (talk) 14:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@CharlesBNB: Do you refer to User:Biruitorul? If not, then who? What evidence do you have that they are a spammer? Have you read WP:AGF? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Proposing deletion isn't vandalism. Wikipedia has a strict definition for that. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

CharlesBNB First, you have been asked on your Talk page whether any of the twelve drafts or direct-to-mainspace articles you have created since January are undeclared paid editing, and if so to declare on your User page. Second, while a number of your efforts at articles exist, most of the more recent ones have been nominated for deletion via AfD or Prod. That is neither vandalism nor spamming. David notMD (talk) 20:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @David notMD, thanks for the explanation. Only one of my article is a paid, could you please let me know that to declare it on my Talk page? Is there any format or procedure? CharlesBNB (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Right place is on your User page. See WP:PAID. Inside double curly brackets {{ }} put paid|employer=name of employer If you are paid by one organization on behalf of a client, use paid|employer=name of employer|client=name of client Giventhe challenge left on your Talk page, an additional reply there to the effect that you have one paid situation, but none of the other drafts or articles. Thank you for following up. Undeclared paid is a serious sin in Wikipedia world, potentially resulting on having one's account indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 01:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

My submission was rejected

Hello,

I have been declined twice and I could use some help. Is there someone that helps to edit?

Vdolphinv (talk) 19:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. If this is regarding your sandbox, did you read the comments by reviewers? I'd also suggest that you look at other articles to get an idea of the style and structure being looked for; you may also want to see referencing for beginners. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I have added a comment at User:Vdolphinv/sandbox.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I cut 40%. You need references for all facts. Delete all that you cannot reference. David notMD (talk) 01:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Old Style and New Style dates

I have been working on the Josiah Bartlett article and all sources that I find - books, vital records, his gravestone - state that he was born on November 21, 1729. Bartlett's article says his date of birth is "December 2, 1729 [ O.S. November 21, 1729]".

Because December 2 isn't in anything I am finding, my gut reaction is to say that his date of birth is November 21, 1729 - and have an {{efn}} note that states that his date of birth is "December 2, 1729 [ O.S. November 21, 1729]". I don't know anything about this, would that be okay? Or, is there a better way to handle it?

Thanks so much. I have had several things that have popped up this past four weeks that I cannot sort out and have brought to the Teahouse and you have been amazing!–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi CaroleHenson. November 21, 1729 in the Julian calendar is December 2, 1729 in the Gregorian celandarcalendar. Josiah Bartlett was born in a place which switched from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar in 1752. Since it happened during his lifetime, I think it's OK to give both dates directly in the lead like now. It would be a little confusing to show his birth in one calendar and his death in another inside the same parentheses. His birth is written with {{OldStyleDateDY|December 2,|1729|November 21, 1729}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, good. I will leave it as it is and add a note: "November 21, 1729 in the Julian calendar is December 2, 1729 in the Gregorian celandar. Josiah Bartlett was born before the Julian calendar switched to the Gregorian calendar in 1752." I am guessing I am not the only one to be confused about this.

Thanks so much for clearing this up for me.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: I made a typo in the second "calendar". The Gregorian calendar was originally introduced by the pope in 1582. Different countries switched at different times. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, okay great!. If I change the 2nd sentence to "Josiah Bartlett was born before Britain and the British Empire (including colonial America) switched from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar in 1752." will that work?–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: That works. Maybe a bit long but seems acceptable for a footnote. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers § Julian and Gregorian calendars only says: "Where it's not obvious that a given date should be given in Julian alone or in Gregorian alone, consider giving both styles, for example by using {{OldStyleDate}}." PrimeHunter (talk) 01:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, okay, thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia learning edit content making

I am new for Wikipedia want to learn content writing and editing 223.178.81.148 (talk) 08:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

User talk page restriction?

Hi. I'm in a bit of a dispute at User talk:CanonNi § Please remove shudra sentences, where another editor, Harishsk2022, has been sending multiple messages telling me to edit an article, Devanga, after I declined his edit requests. I've told him multiple times that reliable sources are needed and that he should stop messaging me until he has one, but he doesn't seem to understand. Is it possible to possibly partially block an user from editing someone's talk page? I understand that according to WP:SOMTP, this is not encouraged, but I have no other clear options at the moment. Thank you. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 06:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

CanonNi, yes, you can ask an admin to help enforce if someone ignores your reasonable request to stop posting to your user talk page. You can't ban people from posting required notices to your talk page; for everything else, you can by just telling them to stop. Don't ask the admins for something specific, just tell them you need help and they will know best what should be done. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Where would be the best place to make such a request? Can I do so at WP:ANI, or should I individually message admins on their talk page? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 07:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

CanonNi, go to an admin's talk page if you have a prior relationship with them and you know they're the sort of admin who handles user conduct; most admins have their niche. You could use the {{admin help}} template at that discussion on your talk page because it's really a simple straightforward matter, or you could post to ANI, sure. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I've put the template on my talk page and I'm waiting for an admin to reply. Usedtobecool, thank you for all your help! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 07:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It seems that the user has copy-pasted his messages to the Teahouse after I didn't reply. Am I allowed to revert those edits? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Do not delete another editor's Teahouse post (unless clearly vandalism). David notMD (talk) 09:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh okay. Thank you. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The Four Tides

Hi,

When I give IP users {{subst:uw1}} and etc. warnings and the {{sharedipadvice}} on talk pages, I notice other editors generally add their signature (four tides) after the uw-warning and before the shared ip advice. However, when I do that in the source editor, after adding the four tides after the uw-warning, it still automatically shows another signature at the very bottom of the talk page message (auto-sign). Is there a way to fix this?

Thx,

Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm My suggestion is to use Wikipedia:Twinkle. It will automate the process and will automatically add your signature for you. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 20:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm: The automatic signing happens when you use the reply tool, called "Enable quick replying" and "Enable quick topic adding" at Special:Preferences § mw-prefsection-editing. Twinkle doesn't use the tool. It doesn't appear you can avoid an automatic signature at the end of the whole post if you use the tool. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm: The "~" character is a "tilde" (relevant if you search for it on our help pages). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

new article relevance?

hi! i just wrote my second article (Chernoh Alpha M. Bah) and i'm wondering if it's relevant enough to be approved. i personally think he meets the standards, but is there anything i can improve to help my chances? thanks. Gnat8 (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

In my observation i see something less.this article has lack of template infobox.this article is about a person.you can add "infobox" template by simply adding {{

Th.--KEmel49 (talk) 19:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)is

@KEmel49: A draft lacking an infobox does not mean it is less readily accepted. Editors should focus on making sure the subject is wikinotable through reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

{{ alone will not add an infobox. See, for example {{Infobox person}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Linking 2 pages

I am attempting to link a page to another, but it insists that 'this page does not exist'. The page I am attempting to link to is is a different language, is that an issue? FrazzleBaird (talk) 11:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

These 2 pages are fr:La_Pouquelaye_de_Faldouet and La Hougue Bie FrazzleBaird (talk) 11:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

In order to link another page to another in a different language in text you will have to use the following format: [[:language:articletitle|]]

In your case, this would be [[:fr:La Pouquelaye de Faldouet|]].

For more information, see Help:Interwiki linking SundayGot1 (talk) 11:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Cheers mate FrazzleBaird (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@FrazzleBaird: Try {{Interlanguage link}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! FrazzleBaird (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Conflict of interest question about editing the pages of alumni + previous/current professors at your current college.

I'm an editing newbie and was wondering whether it was a conflict of interest to edit or create new pages for prominent alumni and professors of the college I currently go to. None of the biography pages are for individuals I have met or are directly connected to. However, some of these edits would involve adding my college to their biographical page. Neurobyte (talk) 04:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Neurobyte. Thank you for thinking about conflict of interest. In my view, conflict of interest is a continuum rather than a black or white, yes or no situation. Every editor has a very mild or minor conflict of of interest because we all write content about topics that fascinate and engage us. The critical factor is the editor's core motivation. Is the editor here primariliy to improve the encyclopedia, or primarily to promote their personal hobby horse. You are, as you admit, very new. If you comply scrupulously with the Neutral point of view, and defer to experienced, uninvolved editors, you should be fine. The review of content by uninvolved editors is the best way to avoid non-neutral content making its way into the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 06:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Neurobyte (talk) 06:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Neurobyte Cullen's advice is good. Mine would be to be quite open, as you have been here. Most experienced editors at Wikipedia are volunteers and hate undisclosed paid editing, which is one extreme form of COI. Other COI, such as citing your own academic publications, is not forbidden (see WP:SELFCITE). I suggest you start by adding to existing biographies, bearing in mind the policy at WP:BLP. Later, once you have built up experience, you could try drafting a new article: there's guidance at this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Notice: I am considering quitting everything

On itwiki they told me there is no way to request unblock, so I am seriously considering to abandon this account to start contributing again anonymously on itwiki and maybe recreate another account after several months so there cannot be any Checkuser evidence. Anyway if I decide to do so I think I won't contribute anymore here. However I might change idea. Any suggestions? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 13:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre, thank you for coming to the Teahouse. The English Wikipedia is independent from the Italian Wikipedia. If you abide by the rules and policies of English Wikipedia, you are welcome to contribute to English Wikipedia under this account. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 13:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather OK. The fact is that I want to contribute also on itwiki, and that's impossible as long as this account is active. It's a really difficult decision. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 13:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

New replies are welcome. 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 13:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @14 novembre You are accused on Italian Wikipedia of being a WP:SOCKPUPPET of User:Calicanto2023, where both accounts have been blocked by User:Elwood. You certainly talk like someone happy to be a sockpuppet over there again, which is a shame. I am surprised it.wiki doesn't not have a process (as we do here) to request an unblock from your primary account after 6 months or more of no repeat offending has occurred. I'm not going to give you advice on how to get round a block for sockpuppetry, but waiting several months won't make any difference to the technical ability of Checkusers to determine if you have been breaching the respective rules of either Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I see there is an equivalent page to appeal a block (see here), though there appears to be ongoing debate which might affect how it applies to blocks applied before March 2024. So waiting several months for a consensus to form could be a good idea anyway. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're posting about this here. If you're looking for a Teahouse host to tell you it's OK for you to WP:EVADE your block on Italian Wikipedia, then you're barking up the wrong tree so to speak. What happens on Italian Wikipedia, however, shouldn't affect your status on English Wikipedia as long as you edit according to English Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and don't start otherwise creating problems. If you don't want to contribute to English Wikipedia anymore, then don't. If you want to take a break and then come back later, then that's OK too. Don't try to get others to make your decision for you; you decide what you're going to do. If anyone is going to suggest anything, then it should be to not underestimate the experience of checkusers in detecting block avoiding accounts even after some time has passed; most of them seem to be pretty good at doing so because the blocked user almost always has a tell that eventually shows itself. Perhaps the best thing for you to do is to find out what you need to get your Italian Wikipedia account unblocked and restored back to good standing. On English Wikipedia, there's something called WP:OFFER; perhaps Italian Wikipedia does something similar. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly @Nick Moyes

Thanks for your answers. I have taken the decision to continue editing here (I will probably do a small pause) and hopefully in some time there will be the possibility to appeal the block ok itwiki. So I think the best thing is continuing to respect the block, although believing it wrong, to avoid further consequences. Thanks again, kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 13:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Pictures

Hi! How do you make a picture smaller, I added one to my user page but it's overcrowding my user page and I can't read anything. So I need that picture to be smaller. You can see it at HermoineGranger54. If anyone can help that would be great! Thanks! HermoineGranger54 (talk) 16:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Assuming you're on PC and using the visual editor, click on the image, edit it, then go to "Advanced" at the top. You can then set a custom image size. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok! Thanks! HermoineGranger54 (talk) 16:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Understanding the infobox weapon

Please if I may ask, is there such thing as infobox weapon, and if so what are the differences with other infobox?
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Thisasia Yes, indeed. See documentation at {{Infobox weapon}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Oww thanks very much
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 16:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

There is such a thing as infobox weapon, you can see that on page such as T-14 Armata and SA80. The reason why I use these two random examples is that the page for the T-14 has parameters for being a vehicle and being a weapon, so it includes stuff about its mobility but also about its firepower. The SA80 however focused on its characteristics as a firearm.

The main differences between all the weird and wonderful infobox types is that they all focus on different areas, with some of them looking quite different depending on what they focus on. See Jacksepticeye and Khorgo as, again, two completely different examples.

In basic terms, they have parameters that are the same in some cases, and in others are wildly different. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the provided information.
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 16:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Please revert Vandal edit

Please Revert Vandal edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coimbatore_Lok_Sabha_constituency&diff=prev&diffonly=1&oldid=1218781709 Mazda Suzu637 (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mazda Suzu637 You have made an edit request on the Talk Page of the article, which is the correct place for it. As I understand things, you are concerned about the list of candidates for an election which has not yet occurred. There are no citations in the table to verify that any of the candidates (including the one you want to add back) are actually running. Since Wikipedia has no deadlines, the best thing to do may be to await the outcome of the election. Meanwhile the article has been extended-confirmed protected, so IPs will not be able to make further changes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

https://www.thehindu.com/elections/lok-sabha/lok-sabha-polls-i-dmk-coimbatore-candidate-files-nomination-on-final-day/article67999502.ece Mazda Suzu637 (talk) 17:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mazda Suzu637 Fine, then use that citation to back up your edit request. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I keep getting this "parsoid" error whenever I try to edit an article

I've tried restarting my computer, and the error still pops up. Any way I could fix this? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 15:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

...okay, it's gone now? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 15:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Same here, the visual editor is not working, It worked that’s why I removed my topic from here but as I am checking from phone it is not loading. Grabup (talk) 15:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup See WP:VPT § Can't edit where others are reporting similar issues and where the experts hang out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Now it's back again. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 15:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T356157

Technical discussion since January, when it first occurred. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula

Hi! And welcome to the Teahouse! It seems like there is a Technical Difficulty going on here. I have not gotten the error yet but have you tried resetting the cache? Maybe try that and see if it works. HermoineGranger54 (talk) 16:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Seems to work. Thank you! TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 18:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Np. Glad I could help! HermoineGranger54 (talk) 18:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Editing a page that was removed

There was a company page for CitrusAd (a retail media company) but it was removed. I don't know why it was removed, but I would like edit it so it is accessible for others to know the history of the company, but I am not sure how to find it or where to start. TLN27 (talk) 16:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The page was moved to a draft on 5 November, 2022 for "Quarantine likely covert advertising" The draft was then deleted under WP:G13 on 3 May, 2023 because it was deemed to be abandoned. You can request that it be refunded to you at WP:REFUND/G13. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me. I do not understand "refunding" it to me. I did not pay for anything- I was only going to edit or update it. Does "refund" in this instance mean, I would take "ownership" of it or it would then be put in my hands for editing? Thank you for your guidance. TLN27 (talk) 16:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It means you could edit it, not that you own it. What is your connection to the page? Equine-man (talk) 16:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I have connection to it in that I specialize in retail communications in the space of CPG (consumer packaged goods) and retail media. My connection to the page is I formerly worked on PR projects for that company prior to them being sold. I continue to work in the retail media space, but with other clients and companies. TLN27 (talk) 16:58, 14 April 2024 I would appreciate any help in how to properly restore it and resolve any issues. I am new here-- so I'm sorry if this is like hand holding. TLN27 (talk) 17:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Refunding essentially means that it will be returned to its draft state. As Equine above asked, do you have a connection to this page at all? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I have connection to it in that I specialize in retail communications in the space of CPG (consumer packaged goods) and retail media. My connection to the page is I formerly worked on PR projects for that company prior to them being sold. I continue to work in the retail media space, but with other clients and companies. TLN27 (talk) 16:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TLN27. "REFUND" here has nothing to do with the ordinary English word "refund", but is a bit of Wikipedia jargon for "Request For UNDeletion". ColinFine (talk) 18:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo: Please don't use jargon like "refunded" here on the Teahouse page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Inactive user

Hello. I can't find the page about the guidelines and criteria on reporting inactive users, could you please direct me toward it? I just realized that user:Mzajac has been gone from en.wiki for an unusual amount of time compared to how much he usually edits. Cheers. Encyclopédisme (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Just read the talk page archives and turns out he hasn’t been editing since his last topic ban. Encyclopédisme (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Encyclopédisme I don't understand why "reporting inactive users" would be of interest to anyone. To whom would you report them and why? Most people here are volunteers who might give up editing for any number of reasons. On the other hand, if you know of a deceased editor, see the guidance at WP:DECEASED. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I remember a page explaining how and when to put a template "inactive user" or something like that. Maybe it’s just me, and that doesn’t actually exist. Encyclopédisme (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Encyclopédisme: See {{Not around}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Encyclopédisme (talk) 19:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Request to move Draft:Silvia Steiger to my userspace

I like to request that the Draft:Silvia Steiger is moved to my userspace, so I can continue to work on it.

I don't understand how I do so.

Could you please help me with this?

Thanks and kindly regards

Vandepaerela (talk) 20:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Vandepaerela: Now at User:Vandepaerela/Silvia Steiger. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

False Banning

I've recently started editing and I saw a story about someone who got falsely banned and I'm wondering if it could happen to me? BlackbirdRed (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. It's difficult to respond without knowing what you saw. There is a difference between a ban and a block. Many blocked(or banned) users think their block/ban is false when it actually isn't. 331dot (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks that helps a lot! BlackbirdRed (talk) 19:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

"False banning" might also mean, telling someone that they're banned when they aren't, but they believe you and stop editing. Maproom (talk) 21:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Notability and Neutral Point of View.

Hi Edit support,

I am trying to build a Wikipedia page for Victoria Wyeth, I am receiving no benefit for my actions. I do not know Victoria but I do have her permission to proceed with this endeavor. My first submissions has ben denied approval on the grounds of notability and neutrality. I do believe that Victoria is sufficiently notable because she is an active part of the Wyeth legacy. Victoria is working to improve the public knowledge through her presentations.

But, when I try to develop a better submission to get over the notability question, I fall foul of the neutrality rule.

What can I do to correct or improve my submission?

Paul Paul7384 (talk) 16:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The large majority of the page is uncited and does not at all sound like it's presented in WP:WIKIVOICE.

As an example, the first paragraph reads "Victoria Wyeth is an accomplished and passionate lecturer, traveling world wide, her audiences benefit from her unique perspective through her first hand experience combined with her extensive research. As the granddaughter of renowned artist Andrew Wyeth, she carries forward a legacy of creativity and talent. Additionally, being the great-granddaughter of the celebrated illustrator N.C. Wyeth and the niece of contemporary realist Jamie Wyeth, Victoria is an active part of a remarkable artistic dynasty. The daughter of Nicholas and Jane Wyeth. Her father, Nicholas, is a private art dealer, while her mother, Jane, is an art advisor with a background in art history." To put it simply and rather bluntly, it reads like a PR puff piece.

I would personally nuke this and completely rewrite it, focusing on what reliable, secondary sources are saying about this person. If you cannot find reliable, secondary sources, then you do not have a page. See WP:BACKWARDS for more on that. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I’d also steer clear from editing the page due to your possible conflict of interest. Equine-man (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Equine-man Editors with a conflict of interest are not prohibited from creating articles, provided they use the WP:AfC process, which Paul is doing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, but they should also declare such COI beforehand. Equine-man (talk) 16:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paul7384 Apart from the tone of the draft, you are not complying with this policy for biographies of living people, which you need to read carefully. You also need to show that she is wikinotable in the way that's defined here. Interviews are not an acceptable way to do that, since inevitably people talk about themselves in a favourable way. You need sources which meet all of these criteria. As a newcomer to editing, you might be better to build your skills by editing existing articles on topics that interest you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I deleted a lot of the laudatory content, but in my opinion she has not accomplished anything that makes Draft:Victoria Wyeth Wikipedia-notable. David notMD (talk) 18:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paul7384 At risk of a "pile-on", I would add that being "an active part of the Wyeth legacy" is really not sufficient to justify an article about a person. All I see is that Victoria is active in giving lectures about her illustrious ancestors and relatives, but that she, herself, has not garnered much attention otherwise. In essence: Notability is not inherited.

A good source that shows her ancestry and her activity (like this one), could possibly be used in a single sentence on the articles about those ancestors to show her family ties and their artistic legacy that she promotes today. But it would need to be short, very carefully worded, and not forced into an article for its own sake.

I was slightly bemused by one other statement you made, namely, "I do not know Victoria but I do have her permission to proceed with this endeavor." Firstly, if you've made some contact with her, it suggests you do in some way know her but, more importantly, we do not ever need the approval of any notable subject to create a Wikipedia article about them. We only use sources that are in the public domain to compile articles, so permission is never needed.

I'm sorry this does not sound too positive. Until she becomes notable in her own right (see WP:NBIO or WP:NARTIST), I fear you might be struggling to make progress. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I didn’t understand the rules sufficiently to make a good submission. I have listened to one zoom presentation by Victoria and I watched a presentation of hers at an organized event. I haven’t spoken with her directly. I sent her some communications about Wikipedia. I was very impressed by her work, that’s it really. I can see that opening the page is going to be difficult. Thank you for considering my submission. Paul7384 (talk) 23:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Templates

How to create templates on Wiki and can it be created visually? MoCars (talk) 01:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Template and Help:A quick guide to templates. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 02:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Notability of Dmytro Kushneruk

There seem to be enough references for WP:GNG in the lede of Dmytro Kushneruk. Could someone check, opine, and maybe remove the warning? Thx Trzb (talk) 04:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Trzb Six refs in the Lead to confirm he is a dipiomat is over-referencing. (Perhaps some of those can be moved to the section about the Russian invasion.) In general, government appointments (diplomats, government, military) are less likely to have Wikipedia-notable careers compared to elected. David notMD (talk) 10:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD, thank you for your response. I don't disagree about moving the refs (and can make the changes when the main issue is addressed), but hope this in no way affects sufficient media coverage per WP:GPG. Not sure how Kushneruk's being appointed affects the interpretation of media coverage. Trzb (talk) 08:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

New topic

I just want to add that that Jonathan Hager "played a crucial role," by emphasizing his significant influence and active involvement in political processes. This, I hope, will underscore his importance in the local history of Maryland and portrays him as a key figure in the region's development. Whytehallda (talk) 06:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Whytehallda, thank you for trying, but in the article Jonathan Hager, you've presented as the source for this added tidbit a page that seems to have been "user-generated", and you've put the link to it in the body of the article. Neither is acceptable in a Wikipedia article. Please see Help:Introduction to referencing with Wiki Markup/1, -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Image: copyright holder has approved publication

Hello Wikipedians,

File:Valtra N113 HT5 Forest.jpg

This image has the following text underneath:

The Wikimedia Foundation has received an e-mail confirming that the copyright holder has approved publication under the terms mentioned on this page. This correspondence has been reviewed by a Volunteer Response Team (VRT) member and stored in our permission archive. The correspondence is available to trusted volunteers as ticket #2015102610015282.

I would like to upload some good images to Wikipedia. Some I took myself and hold copyright that I can release. For other pictures, however, I would need to get the copyright holder to send the confirmation.

When copyright holder approves the publication:

1. Where do I or copyright holder sends that email?
2. Where do I send or upload the image? Benevolent Bureocrat (talk) 10:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Clarification:

Basically, if I'd like to upload an image in the same way as the example I provided – how do I do that? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benevolent Bureocrat (talk • contribs) 10:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Benevolent Bureocrat Commons has its own Help Desk where you can ask if you run into problems. The email address to send permission is permissions-commons@wikimedia.org See c:Commons:Email_templates for alternative ways you can get people to use the system. For your own pictures taken on your own camera, the process is much simpler. Just use the Commons:Special:UploadWizard and carefully follow the prompts. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Benevolent Bureocrat. Just going to add that if you upload your own photos to Commons, you need to make sure they are not photos of entirely of or that include too much of someone else's creative content because in many cases you will need that person's consent as well. For more on this, see WP:Derivative works, c:Commons:Licensing, c:Commons:Own work, c:Commons:2D copying, c:Commons:Derivative works, c:Commons:Freedom of panorama, c:Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter and c:Commons:De minimis. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

New article submission, but before I start…

Dear Wiki Help, I’ve tried and failed to enter a new article because of the notability and my tone being too biographical. I didn’t know about these rules when I started. I’d like to try again but with a different subject. My niece is an actress Flora Dawson, she comes up first if you google her. If I write a short submission and cite her achievements do you think she is noteworthy enough to be published as an article on Wikipedia? Paul7384 (talk) 09:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Paul7384 Hello and welcome. Please read conflict of interest first. You will want to see the definition of a notable actress to see if she meets it, and gather independent reliable sources that give her significant coverage- those should be summarized in an article, it should not merely document her achievements. 331dot (talk) 09:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Paul7384 Most of the content I see on Google is based on her IMDb entry. Wikipedia does not consider that a reliable source (see WP:IMDB). So your approach could be to take the IMDb listings only as a starting point to delve into her career and see whether theatre critics etc. have written specifically about her. Choose only high-quality newspaper journalists and avoid anything substantially based on interviews. You must use the WP:AfC process because of your conflict of interest and should declare that on the Draft's Talk Page. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Mike, very helpful. Paul7384 (talk) 12:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

How do we qualify a "reasonable" paid source?

There's been a handful of changes recently using The Athletic's paid fantasy football guide (ex. Ricky Pearsall) to cite full names, birth dates, and birth places. Is this allowed? I know we can cite paid publications, but these guides feel kind of commercial and are likely not accessible in the long term (and therefore, unarchivable). Any suggestions on what to do here? --Engineerchange (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

In line with the current sourcing policies, I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed. Editors can cite rare books that very few editors will ever be able to read in order to verify the claims made, so as long as the author is reliable, The Athletic's guide would be a usable resource. In terms of "unarchivable": is there precedent of previous years' draft guides being deleted? That would be my main concern here. Reconrabbit 14:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I think the nature of fantasy football journalism (vs. sports journalism) is it is and can be transient and inconsistent, so I would imagine the url of these things can and do change as years go by, but such is the nature of the Internet. Appreciate your input; I think I'll let this go; my concern was if this file is used to cite the birth dates for dozens of articles and is gone in a year, we are stuck back at square one in a couple years time! --Engineerchange (talk) 15:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

That is a concern for sure, but even now there are plenty of printed books that can be bought for the past few decades of NFL drafts still out there, and The Athletic still hosts news articles regarding fantasy football from 2018 that pop up on Google. Reconrabbit 15:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Photo of corpses

Hi all. Wondering about the photo of corpses in the Dalton Gang infobox. It's the only image on the topic available on wiki commons, which isn't surprising. My reading of the guidance is that it should probably be removed, but I'm curious about what editors with some experience with WP:OM have to say. Cheers. Robincantin (talk) 10:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Robincantin I see that you asked this back in January on the Talk Page of the article and I'm surprised you haven't had any replies there given the page had 77 watchers. My own view is that this image (from 1892) is by no means the most graphic we have on Wikipedia and would not fall into the most egregious categories where specific consensus to use them would be needed. I note that the image is widely used in multiple-language Wikipedias, so I don't think that the English version is an outlier in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Also see WP:NOTCENSORED. Theroadislong (talk) 12:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's in the first sentence of the guidance Robincantin has already linked to. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mike Turnbull, Theroadislong Given the topic, I suspect the en.wikipedia was the original, the other languages just followed its example. Ok, I'll leave it unless a discussion going in the other direction develops on its Talk page (looks like it won't). Robincantin (talk) 14:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Robincantin, since we have individual photos of Bob Dalton, Grat Dalton and Emmett Dalton, a collage of those three could be created for the infobox, and the photo of the corpses could be moved to the Coffeeville bank robbery section. I left this suggestion on the article talk page as well. The policy language is at WP:COLLAGE. Cullen328 (talk) 17:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

IP Address Exemption

I am having issues with my IP when editing. How do I go through this huddle? Caleb Ndu (talk) 16:11, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Caleb Ndu: Welcome to the Teahouse! What issues are you having? If you're not able to edit at all, see Wikipedia:IP block exemption. If you're having a different issue, please provide more details. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@GoingBatty My account was created by a user due to the fact I couldn't create it on my own which was then because my IP address was abused previously. I'm just concerned about future problems here on Wikipedia. Thank you for trying to help me but I need more directions. Caleb Ndu (talk) 17:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Caleb Ndu! As long as you're logged into your account, the editing status of your IP shouldn't matter and you should be good to go! What other directions are you looking for? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 17:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Perfect4thI am happy to receive clarifications. Now, my nerves are calm. I need a mentor here. How do I apply for? Caleb Ndu (talk) 17:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Caleb Ndu, there are various ways you can get mentorship or help on Wikipedia. It looks like your automatically assigned mentor is Alextejthompson – you can ask your mentor questions on their talk page here. You can also continue to ask questions here at the Teahouse. Did you have a specific question you wanted an answer for? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 17:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Perfect4th Thanks for this direction, I have written @Alextejthompson on his talk page and I wait response from him under 24 hours from this moment. I want to see if he's interested, else I move on with another editor. I love the way you reply me. Caleb Ndu (talk) 18:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Auto-archive for page

I have difficulties sometimes properly setting up the automatic archive feature on some pages. I attempted just now to setup a automatic archive for the talk page at Atlas Network, but I cannot be positive that it was setup correctly. Could one of you please help me in checking just to ensure that that was created correctly and that it should then begin auto-archiving in 14 days as currently configured? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn since there are not a lot of threads on that page, it might be better to manually archive them with a tool like WP:1CA, which will move an individual thread to an archive. 14 days seems awfully short for the number of threads there are. – Isochrone (talk) 19:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok. How do I change the time. I think 30 days might be best. I just do not know how to set that up. If you could help me that would be really nice. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: Paste this at the top of the talk page:

{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader       = {{talkarchivenav}}
|maxarchivesize      = 75K
|counter             = 1
|minthreadsleft      = 4
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo                = old(28d)
|archive             = {{SAFESUBST:FULLPAGENAME}}/Archive %(counter)d
}}
{{archives|search=yes}}

Change old(28d) (28 days) to a more suitable number if you wish. Adjust |counter = 1 to account for any existing archive pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I added a lowercasesigmabot that would appear to be working. If you want to check my work, it looks like it already archived some content and left some still yet to be archived. Talk:Atlas Network. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Twinkle Question

Hello,

I just started using Twinkle and I don't understand what an AGF Rollback is. Could someone explain?

Also, when should I use Rollback and when should I use the "Vandalism" button when comparing edits? For now, I use "Rollback" for "test edits" and "Vandalism" for vandalism. Is this how I should use it?

Thanks. Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

AGF stands for "Assume Good Faith". Rollback is a feature that lets you revert a whole series of edits in one click. Which is why it needs to be used with great care and caution. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I see. Thanks! Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Article alerts not working?

After a few weeks of waiting, I'm not sure why the article alerts template for WikiProject Apps isn't working. I've assessed a considerable amount of pages with the project tag, and the bot seems to be updating the page. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 21:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

young n restless

how can i get in contact with young and restless star mark grossman

2601:846:780:FA0:5555:4068:B5D6:4680 (talk) 23:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1221. This, unfortunately, is beyond the scope of Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a link to contact information within his entry in the IMDb, here. It appears you have to sign up to IMDbPro to access it, but there seems to be a free-trial option. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 00:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Saving a sandbox environment.

Hi all. I'm working on big changes to a company page. My mentor helped me create a sandbox environment to create a draft for these changes. I have now asked for an independent editor review of the page but am concerned my changes in the sandbox aren't saving. There is no 'save changes' button, only 'review changes' and 'publish changes'. If I hit publish, will the changes only be reflected in the sandbox environment, or will they update the actual company page in Wikipedia? JessZoiti (talk) 05:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@JessZoiti: For legal reasons, the "Save" button was renamed to "Publish", so that you are aware anyone can view your changes. It will just be in your sandbox, not the article RudolfRed (talk) 05:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed thank you. I've hit publish in my Sandbox environment. Hopefully this means the independent review editor will be able to see the updates and changes – i requested they synch with my sandbox in order to review the changes. JessZoiti (talk) 05:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I see that you've replaced the description "Singaporean liquefied natural gas exchange", which explains what the business is, by "Provider of enterprise solutions to the global commodities market", which is meaningless promotional guff. In my view that is not an improvement. Maproom (talk) 07:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

And worse - before your edits, it cited six sources. Now it cites none (though it does list some). Wikipedia articles should be be based on the sources that they cite - so that's definitely not an improvement. Maproom (talk) 08:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

JessZoiti, please see Help:Referencing for beginners in order to improve the article. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 08:05, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for divulging that you are being paid to edit. Very likely each client hopes that its article will impress readers with its experience, skills, probity, etc. But Wikipedia is only concerned with what reliable, disinterested sources say about a demonstrably notable subject. These "big changes" you're working on -- are they perhaps intended to aggrandize the subject? As it is, your draft reads like corporate PR sludge. As a humdrum example: "GLX Digital pivoted away from The Global LNG Marketplace in July 2021, discontinuing the product", which doesn't obviously mean anything other than "GLX Digital discontinued the Global LNG Marketplace in July 2021". -- Hoary (talk) 08:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

The existing GLX Digital has properly formated refs embedded in the text. Copy those as needed into your Sandbox. For new refs, use proper ref format and placement. P.S. No hyperlinks in text. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

You face a large problem: As a declared PAID editor, you are not supposed to edit the article directly. Instead, you are supposed to propose changes on the article's Talk page so that a non-involved editor can approve and implement, or deny. There are a few exceptions that allow for editing the article directly, such as simple facts about headquarters location, number of employees, etc. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

HI @David notMD thank you for your help here. I'm new to Wikipedia and am unsure of the most appropriate ways to navigate the platform - my intentions are to see the page reflect current and correct information. From this point onwards, I'll make edit suggestions on the Talk page as you recommend. Appreciate it. JessZoiti (talk) 00:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I have a hypothetical questions about Freedom Caucus?

What If Freedom Caucus was a hypothetical European political party? would it belong to Identity and Democracy Party or European Conservatives and Reformists? If so, why do you think it would belong to the party. I am willing to hear your opinion and explanation why. 97.97.98.76 (talk) 06:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi! That's not really relevant to Wikipedia; we answer questions about Wikipedia here. If you have any questions relating to editing or other aspects of the project, that's the purpose of this page. Happy editing ... sawyer * he/they * talk 06:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

To be perfectly clear, speculation by editors is not permitted on Wikipedia. The role of Wikipedia editors is to summarize what reliable sources say. Nothing more and nothing less. Cullen328 (talk) 06:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, If I was going off topic. I was curious to sees, but I promise to stay on topic and uses Teahouse properly. 97.97.98.76 (talk) 06:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

If I have a hypothetical question, where should I go to? 174.135.36.220 (talk) 03:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait, why does anonymous numbers change every time? 174.135.36.220 (talk) 03:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

you're editing on an IP, which are reassigned periodically. as for your other question, you're welcome to ask hypothetical questions of that nature elsewhere on the internet, like Reddit, but you should keep things relevant to Wikipedia here. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I understand, but I unfortunately have no reddit account and I want to hear if Freedom Caucus would belong to ID party or ECR party. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 03:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

you're not going to get an answer here ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

You know what? I actually chose CER for Freedom Caucus.

1. Both support economic freedom and limited government.
2. Social Conservatism is also common with ECR like Brothers of Italy.
3. Both support national identity.
4. ECR and Freedom Caucus have devolution of power.
5. Freedom Caucus and European Conservatives & Reformists also have right-wing populism like Law & Justice (Poland), JA21 (The Netherlands), Sweden Democrats (Sweden) and Vox (Spain).

So, therefore, it would be more likely to be European Conservatives & Reformist if Freedom Caucus were an European party. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 04:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Again, this isn't the place to ask this type of question. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 04:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Opps, sorry. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 05:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

What is the difference between liberalism and social liberalism as I noticed that some ideology has the same meaning that I removed them, ex. in Swiss People's Party, swiss nationalism, national conservatism and anti-immigration have the same meaning, so I removed these. I was told that we have to keep Political Parties' articles simple in its template and ideologies. How do I carefully removed something from templates, so it will not get messed up. 174.135.36.220 (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

If you edit too much, can you get blocked for it since I am fixing some political party's article to make it simpler on template as some have same meaning or just too much. When is it too much?

Thank you from 174.135.36.220 174.135.36.220 (talk) 21:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@174.135.36.220

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse, your question does not reflect Wikipedia but there is an article about European Freedom Caucus, I suggest you look there. Thanks! 2600:8804:8A81:FA00:C486:85E4:D18E:1F1 (talk) 02:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I meant European Political Party Freedom Caucus. My Bad. 2600:8804:8A81:FA00:C486:85E4:D18E:1F1 (talk) 02:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)