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Your draft article, Draft:Translations of James Joyce
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WT:DYK
[edit]So, your recent participation at that DYK thread read as pretty sarcastic/hostile/angry. What's going on? Valereee (talk) 16:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Valereee, I thought the DYK error on Dr Nandipha was addressed the very same day it was removed from the main page. Why is it referenced here again? dxneo (talk) 16:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Taking this back to wt:dyk Valereee (talk) 18:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee: I don't think that they crossed any lines there. If this is meant as you reaching out to a friend fine but if you don't know them IRL I would drop it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Valereee, the first comment (by time stamp, not location)—
On the contrary, I expect there ... the criminal charges
—was very much not meant to be sarcastic, at least as I understand the term. It's not directed at any person; I composed it with regards to comments I'd seen but don't remember the authors of. IIRC sarcasm is meant to wound or insult a person (Just referenced Webster's to be sure). Though criticizing an opinion as opposed to a person is allowed, the tone was imperfect. I apologize if you or anyone else thought it was about a specific person or persons. Either way, I've struck the offending part since it's clearly not helping matters. - Regarding the second comment,
I can't find ... not a Wikipedian
(which I've struck in its entirety), I apologize to Lightburst. This comment was both sarcastic and angry, as you mentioned. I'll try to maintain a civil tone towards all users in the future. It was inexcusable, but since you asked what's going on, I'll explain though I'm aware that an explanation by no means mitigates the impoliteness of my prior comments nor excuses them. - I was angry because, from my end, it looked as though they intentionally misgendered a transgender person in order to prove a point. From what I know, Lightburst has a history of sub-optimal behaviour (As do I; I'm at least that self-aware), so I called them out for it.
- If you think my comments were particularly egregious, feel free to issue a block or open an ANI discussion (though I'd prefer the former over the latter since this whole Andrew Tate debacle has wasted enough editors' time).
- I don't quite understand Dxneo's comment to you so if I know the answer, I can't offer it. Sincerely, Dilettante 17:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't feel it was particularly egregious. It just seemed hostile, and as this needs to be a collaborative environment I like to check on that. Thanks for seeing the point. Valereee (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 25
[edit]Hey there, welcome to the 25th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter, covering all our favorite new and updated user scripts since 1 March 2024. We've got a ton of wonderful editors taking back their pitchforks today. Don't worry, for they come in peace, to forcibly fix and extend existing scripts you use with sheer passion. There's so many, them forks have got what's basically their own column now! gift us with some rows before it's too late Aaron Liu (talk) 04:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]- inline-diff-inline-patrol by Ponor is this edition's featured script. By loading diffs inline on every page that shows a list of changes, it implements the 2023 community wish m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Admins and patrollers/Inline diffs and inline patrol. Hopefully we won't need this script anymore soon, with the WMF's focus on the backlog...
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[edit]- Many of our favorite scripts such as Fred Gandt/userResourceManager, Guarapiranga/search-shortcuts and Bradv/Superlinks haven't been updated for Vector 2022. You could be the one to change that!
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- We want...
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Great minds, etc.
[edit]I win by 45 seconds. Floquenbeam (talk) 20:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- And better phrased too. 😤 Sincerely, Dilettante 20:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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[edit] Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved content from Social Security (United States) into another page. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content (here or elsewhere), Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution
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- Thanks for the reminder! Sincerely, Dilettante 19:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just discretely sliding this under this heading - I was looking through the RfC, and I noticed you made this comment.
Perhaps those who signed initially are better judges of character than those who signed now
. Nobody's said anything, but to me it appears to be a bit gravedance-ey, and a bit unempathetic. People signed in the end, didn't they? And there's many reasons why somebody might be unwilling to sign a recall petition. It's a pretty big thing to say (publicly!) that you think somebody cannot be trusted enough with a user right. It's not something to be taken lightly, and somebody assuming good faith and holding off until they feel that the evidence is unsurmountable does not make them lesser. The world would probably be better if we had more people like them, actually. Just, speaking as one starter of an admin recall petition to another - it really freaking sucks to be in a position where you think the only solution is to put another human being through what is, in its current form, a 30 day ANI thread, followed by an RfA, doesn't it? And I know I haven't behaved perfectly in the other one(hence why I checked out of it a while ago) - but, before the RfC closes, if you wanted to rethink that exact comment, I wanted to give you the chance. You don't have to agree with me, of course. Maybe you really do think that people who didn't sign the petition instantly are poorer judges of character than people who did, and you want to say it. If so, you can. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:56, 13 November 2024 (UTC)- The IP stated
the petition was started ... in the opinion of multiple people, [when there was] insufficient evidence that problems were still happening
, which conveniently ignores the multiple people of the opposite opinion, and I felt it fair to mention that. Pointing out the most cynical possible reason, even if I don't believe it, made sense because the IP seemed to think I should be able to deduce the requisite evidence with no precedents for me to rely on. When someone makes a facile argument, I don't type out a paragraph explaining why they're wrong; I point out the most obvious issue (in this case that I couldn't have known community expectations) and move on, leaving it to the reader to justify each side. - For the record, I intend to support Graham87 in his upcoming RfA now that he's agreed not to place blocks. Sincerely, Dilettante 04:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- The IP stated
- Just discretely sliding this under this heading - I was looking through the RfC, and I noticed you made this comment.
Current administrator recall
[edit]I noticed a comment by 2804:F14:80F1:A901:C423:1B79:95E4:60B at the current admin recall. That made me do some checking with the following results.
These are all very abusive posts by the same person (or by a troll imitating them):
If I had noticed these, I would have blocked the throw-away IP for more than a month because it is clearly a proxy being used for extreme abuse. Please consider striking your statements regarding the block of the most recent IP because a one-month block for abuse that has lasted for nearly four years is very reasonable. That is, of course, up to you but please check the above four diffs and consider what action would be suitable when a comment like that is repeated. I did not want to pad-out the recall discussion with this comment, particularly because it is not helpful to draw attention to abuse like this. However, finding these was a surprise to me and I thought I should let you know. Johnuniq (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, three of those are so bad I have now rev-del'ed them. Blocking IPs for over-the-top abuse is not even a borderline judgement. There's zero chance that a new editor will join WP and make that as their first edit. Either it's a proxy or it's a MEAT or it's a blocked editor finding a new host...we don't need any of that. DMacks (talk) 09:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @DMacks: Thanks, probably best under the circumstances. I wouldn't have thought to revdel those myself because I'm extremely conservative about use of that tool (except for copyright violations). Graham87 (talk) 10:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would not revision delete attacks like that on me, but I routinely do it instantly when another editor is the victim. I think we need to be tougher on people who use IP addresses to engage in ongoing vile and despicable ad hominem harassment. Cullen328 (talk) 18:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @DMacks: Thanks, probably best under the circumstances. I wouldn't have thought to revdel those myself because I'm extremely conservative about use of that tool (except for copyright violations). Graham87 (talk) 10:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not against blocking the IP. I'm against such a long duration for an IP used once lest their be collateral damage. Sincerely, Dilettante 01:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- /64's tend to be pretty stable (also see User:TonyBallioni/Just block the /64). On the unlikely event that such an IP address does change hands within a month, it'll probably go to just one person. Graham87 (talk) 04:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dilettante, imagine for the sake of discussion that you were an administrator, and had to decide how long to block a stable /64 IP address that had continued a vicious campaign of harassment that went back nearly four years, balancing that against the miniscule risk of collateral damage? Precisely which block length would you have selected instead? Cullen328 (talk) 05:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll strike because consensus seems to be against me. Sincerely, Dilettante 15:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- It would be nice if you answered my question. Cullen328 (talk) 02:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't answer since I can't see the diffs. Assuming they're similar to the one I did see, one week would probably be my choice. Sincerely, Dilettante 03:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- You seem to have a much higher tolerance for a four year campaign of sexualized and appearance-based harassment of a disabled person than I do. So be it. Cullen328 (talk) 03:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Cullen328, please strike this comment. Sincerely, Dilettante 04:20, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- You seem to have a much higher tolerance for a four year campaign of sexualized and appearance-based harassment of a disabled person than I do. So be it. Cullen328 (talk) 03:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't answer since I can't see the diffs. Assuming they're similar to the one I did see, one week would probably be my choice. Sincerely, Dilettante 03:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- It would be nice if you answered my question. Cullen328 (talk) 02:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll strike because consensus seems to be against me. Sincerely, Dilettante 15:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dilettante, imagine for the sake of discussion that you were an administrator, and had to decide how long to block a stable /64 IP address that had continued a vicious campaign of harassment that went back nearly four years, balancing that against the miniscule risk of collateral damage? Precisely which block length would you have selected instead? Cullen328 (talk) 05:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- /64's tend to be pretty stable (also see User:TonyBallioni/Just block the /64). On the unlikely event that such an IP address does change hands within a month, it'll probably go to just one person. Graham87 (talk) 04:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
I believe that my observation is fair and accurate, and so I will not strike it. There is wide disagreement among good faith editors about how lenient we should be with long term abusers, trolls and despicable harassers who hide behind IP addresses to carry out their compulsive multi-year hate campaigns. I readily admit that I am stringent as an administrator about this type of despicable person, and that other administrators and experienced editors take a more lenient stance, in the hope of avoiding collateral damage. You have shown that you are aligned with the more lenient stance, since you have called to desysop an adminstrator who has been the victim of this kind of disgusting harassment for four years, at least in part over a disagreement over whether an abuser hiding behind a /64 IP address should be blocked for one week or one month. Your lenient stance is shared by many and so I see no need to strike my accurate observation. I am commenting only for the purpose of encouraging you to rethink your stance, because you have, entirely inadvertently I am sure, created unproductive chaos. Cullen328 (talk) 05:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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