User talk:Zaathras

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Taking out the trash. Zaathras (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Complaint

I'm sorry... what? This is a reliable edit. I cited his book. This is a fact. Get your political views off of Wikipedia. CherryOolong (talk) 02:50, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What's Hunter's favorite ice cream flavor? What color socks does he wear? Does he fasten then zip, or zip than fasten? If you are unable to discern the mundane from the important aspects of a person's biography, then you have no business editing WP:BLP articles. Also, Hunter Biden is under extra restrictions, did you not notice the "You must follow the bold-revert-discuss cycle if your change is reverted. You may not reinstate your edit until you post a talk page message discussing your edit and have waited 24 hours from the time of this talk page message" warning? Revert your edit or I will request sanctions. Zaathras (talk) 02:58, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How is that a mundane fact? You're mad he scored a 172 on his LSAT? Haha, what? CherryOolong (talk) 03:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The section is literally titled, "Education" CherryOolong (talk) 03:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ROPE. Zaathras (talk) 03:03, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

💖 CherryOolong (talk) 03:05, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am still learning how to use Wikipedia, please be nice. CherryOolong (talk) 03:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CherryOolong: In case nobody else told you: you cannot cite Wikipedia inside Wikipedia as you did here per WP:CIRCULAR. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 08:30, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Robby.is.on Thank you. I was able to figure it out myself. CherryOolong (talk) 10:16, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Curious Case of the the Article With More References than Content

When will Part II be released? You have me on tenterhooks. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 00:50, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've been a little disillusioned with this place lately, took about a week's break, so soon probably. It may be one of those things that initially sounded way cooler in my head than what the reality actually is, but we'll see. :) Zaathras (talk) 01:37, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

IP editors

IP editors do have standing to tag pages, unlike what you said here. I'm making no comment on of the tag belongs or not, but there's nothing that prevents an IP editor from tagging a page. They're also responsible for the rest of it, though, like discussing civilly on the talk page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Literally preventing? No, but IMO it is an act of bad faith akin to a user who engages in drive-by (tag without discussion). It is an attempt at scarlet lettering by an individual who is not a vested contributor to the project. Zaathras (talk) 21:59, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That has nothing to do with being an IP. Bad drive-by tagging is bad drive-by tagging regardless of who does it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's not that they are an IP, although they could well be a sock of a banned user, but we have no evidence of that at the moment. But they do seem to be WP:NOTHERE. Andre🚐 22:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have an eye on it, we'll see where it goes from here. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:05, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Radish, I'm just throwing out my opinion on the matter, Teddy Brosevelt, calm down. If you want to revert it, go right ahead. Or if someone else does, whatever. How are new things ever done around here: by one person having an idea. Maybe "IPs can't tag" it becomes adopted as a norm, maybe it flops and fades. Who knows. Zaathras (talk) 22:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please assume good faith

By the consensus of me, Springee is banned from posting on this page. Zaathras (talk) 00:46, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your BLPN comments don't appear to assume good faith. Please be more careful. Springee (talk) 16:35, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your bad faith was rather blatant. WP:SPADE. Zaathras (talk) 20:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you are unable to understand AGF. Please review CIVIL. Springee (talk) 21:06, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well all see what you did. We have eyes. Zaathras (talk) 00:46, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Apology

Hello, I would like to apologize for my post on the Jamaal Bowman page. My point was supposed to be that despite our personal opinions, we should not post more on the matter until the matter concludes itself. I claimed that it was a felony, which was incorrect as you pointed out. I misread the law, and went back to check after you pointed it out, and realized my error. I did not want to appear malicious, I just worded my post poorly, and was misinformed. I realize we most likely disagree politically, however I try to be respectful and considerate, so in an effort to extend the olive branch, I write this. RonStev11 (talk) 06:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"a buckshot approach to categorization"

FYI the IP you reverted on Attack on Paul Pelosi is a long-term disruptive editor who tends to add unsupported categories to right-wing political articles. I made a report about them on ANI but nothing has really been done. wizzito | say hello! 22:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not surprising. Zaathras (talk) 02:36, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like they struck again... wizzito | say hello! 04:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Trumpism- perhaps you misread my motives

I think you may have misconstrued what I was saying by the concept of Trumpism as authoritarianism being contested. I do not take anything even vaguely like a trumpist objection. In fact, if you look at the revision history or statitistics on this page, you will see that I contributed most of the content supporting the analysis that Trumpism can be convincingly viewed as an authoritarian movement.

For example, the former lead to Trumpism also described it as a social emotion independent of any ideology or movement. This concept is elaborated in several different ways in the article. For example, as an animal behavior in common with other hominids. People from the collective emotions side of the analysis have the perspective that as long as people misunderstand the emotional nature of trumpism, and treat it as if it is a movement or ideology, it will flourish.

Perhaps you can ammend you comment to reflect your objection given a more fair understanding of what I was saying. BTW, if you are unfamiliar, you can check page statistics to quickly get an overview of my contributions to the article. I am not trying to silence you in any way- if you think that my point should be dismissed as a biased trumpist POV, then if that were true you would be quite right to object. I am just pointing out that perhaps you misunderstood why I think it is a mistake to delete the elements in the former lead describing it both as a social emotion and alternately, as a modern communication phenomenon. J JMesserly (talk) 17:37, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your points are your opinion. Opinions are generally full of bias . Instead try using non-bias facts. StephanieMGarza1 (talk) 20:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fine people "hoax"

Hi Zaathras, you [1] reverted my edit referring to an alleged media "hoax" regarding Trump's third Charlottesville statement. You claimed that the allegation was (1) a "fringe", "MAGA-sphere", criticism; and (2) that the books cited were not notable. I accept that the allegation is mostly made by Trump supporters -- the edit states so. However, Even Sam Harris, a Trump-loathing social liberal, has claimed that the “Very Fine People" line was a "media-created hoax”.[2] There are several references to the "hoax" allegation in mainstream sources.[3] (Klein & Berney 2021: 56-59) While the books cited in the edit are not all notable, they do serve to support the text of the edit (that people claim that there was a "hoax", not necessarily that there actually was a hoax). One of the books cited (Loserthink by Scott Adams) already has its own Wikipedia page. I look forward to your response. Thanks. Pakbelang (talk) 02:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neither a random clown on reddit nor an article form the Daily Beast via Yahoo are reliable sources. We do not give weight to fringe opinions. Zaathras (talk) 03:19, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My edit did not claiming that the so-called "hoax" is true. But it is important that WP acknowledge that many Trump supporters hold this belief. Please consider the other sources that I cite to support the existence of the "hoax" belief (such as USAToday, Klein & Berney and the Loserthink book by Scott Adams). Also see this recent piece by prominent conservative commentator, Steve Cortes. Pakbelang (talk) 07:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Fani Willis

Your presence has been requested there via ping, but I noticed on another talk page that you said you've disabled pings. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Respectfully, that is the very reason I disable pings.

I do not attach an email address to this account. I extremely rarely check in here during what most consider typical 9am-5pm work hours. I don't even own a smartphone, as I do not wish to be tethered to a machine for someone else's communication whims. I almost always keep a Wikipedia page I have previously edited on watch, and if I have partaken in a conversation I will respond if I feel that I have something to say. Zaathras (talk) 22:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You objected to adding content about the witness claiming her relationship with Wade started earlier than they claim. I did as well. Others want it in the article in spite of various BLP concerns. I would appreciate it if you found something to say there, but of course I cannot compel you to. All I can do is try to gently tug on your heartstrings. :P – Muboshgu (talk) 22:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In time, but not at the moment. While we're here, and on a different tack entirely, you were namedropped rather unkindly here. I removed it already, plus their unarchiving of an old thread, plus their removal of another subsection. That person is probably not headed towards a productive editing career here, IMO. Zaathras (talk) 22:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out to me, I was unaware of that editor, let alone that post. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFK “Propaganda”

I know that i have misinterpreted of what i said and it shouldn’t be from my POV, but using misinformation or disinformation is more biased on the Article.. I will not explain my position on the topic but propaganda is a neutral word, you wouldn’t automatically assume that just be cause of one opinion of one article or if yourself said so, will not mean that everyone will agree with you or agrees on the topic! 52Timer (talk) 05:23, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I may quote my fellow Zoomers, "cool story, bro." Take it to the article talk page, and take this for a tip for the future - if multiple editors revert your editing attempt, it probably means you're wrong. Zaathras (talk) 21:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To answer your question on my topic

This has run its course. Zaathras (talk) 04:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I’m suspended from Reddit. Told you I have nowhere to go. I just want people to talk to even if it’s on a weird place like Wikipedia. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 01:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a chat space, though, it is an encyclopedia. And you don't need a reddit account to read, just find a sub there that you like and have fun. Zaathras (talk) 02:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can’t have fun if I can’t talk to anyone. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 02:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WhereverWeAreNow Try a random internet chatroom! 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 01:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what chatroom? if you mean discord i cant go on there and there's a high chance of me getting anxious and people making fun of me WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 01:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not discord, no. Google "online chatroom", but don't give other people information about yourself that they might make fun of, they will only know what you tell them . Talk about what you're interested in. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 01:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

my mom will get mad at me for that WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 02:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Study for your ham radio license? It's a hobby I've always wanted to get more into. Or register another reddit account. Or talk to people in real life? 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 02:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ham radio doesn't interest me 2. everyone will get mad at me and reddit will permanently suspend me for ban evasion 3. i have crippling social anxiety and no friends

WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk to your parents, I guess. They might be able to help you from a social standpoint. Or find a forum dedicated to a topic that interests you. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 02:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

my problems are not my mom's problems. im suspended from reddit and gamefaqs, cant go on discord and im one post away from being banned on the godot forums, im not welcome anywhere including here WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 02:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely welcome on Wikipedia, but it's not a forum for random discussion like the other one you mentioned. Discussion should be about improving the encyclopedia. Your mom might be able to help you, I think she might appreciate you coming to her with problems. Talk to someone at school (a teacher you trust or counselor) if you'd rather not do so with your mom. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 02:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

last time i did that about my problems they all got furious at me and had to call my mom, thank god she didnt pick up thought. i dont trust anyone but myself anymore WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 02:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I genuinely think you should talk this out with a trusted adult. If not face-to-face, thru email or through an anonymous service like Proton Mail 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 02:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i DID and look what happened, they all called me a threat to society. all my moms gonna do is take away my phone and laptop and make me suffer even more. talking to a "trusted" adult likle everyone tells me to do just makes things WORSE WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 02:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can sort of see what you are saying, but communicating with real live people™ will feel better than being at a computer all day. Really, seek support either online by mental health professionals or through the school, they can

Also, can you explain what you mean by "a threat to society"? 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 03:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i HATE mental health "professionals". i hate them so much that i said some things about them and the counselors at school and reddit got furious at me and called me a threat to society WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, try an online one. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 03:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i would rather destroy all of my enetronics, if i havent done so already by the thought of seeing one WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not sure why Biden and the Academy Awards was deleted.

I thought it was problem with my internet connection and didn't understand that the edit was being deleted. I don't understand why it was deleted, though. Starlighsky (talk) 03:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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hi. i just came down to say hi. brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 05:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My collapse

Re: [4]

Yes, you have a right to vote without argument; that's why I made a point to state you had done so in the collapse. Your PA was not "voting" and you don't have a right to do that. As I indicated, you well know that. If there had been a way to leave your "Oppose" but collapse the PA and the rest of the nonsense, I would have done so. Had you stricken as I requested, the collapse would not have been necessary. So I'll reiterate the request. Refusing to strike clear PA is not a good look and will work against you in the long run. ―Mandruss ☎ 21:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a PA, clear or otherwise. I have responded in-thread there. Zaathras (talk) 21:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pay wall newssites cat

Beyond what you said, once a category applies it always does. So if the news site ever existed without a paywall we can put it in the category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

once a category applies it always does. Well, good luck on adding Liam Payne back to Category:Living people. Zaathras (talk) 03:40, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for the categories

Hello, I just saw your message. I apologize for making all of those categories. I did it because I felt it would add to these pages and I do get a lot of fun out of categorizing things and I have a lot of joy out of it. I saw myself as someone who could make a real impact in grouping things together. I had trouble making articles in the past and I felt making categories would be an easier way of getting through stuff. I didn’t mean it in bad faith and I just wanted to help. Doing Wikipedia has always been a big part of myself. I’ve been doing it my whole life. I feel comfort and joy and a sense of freedom for it. And I did it solely to add more depth to these pages. That’s all I meant to do. Vinnylospo (talk) 08:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the end of the world, and your enthusiasm for the Wikipedia is good to see. I just think you need to tap on the brakes a bit on the creation. Perhaps loook at existing categories and see what an article could be added to. Zaathras (talk) 15:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trump being a Zionist

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Does declaring the capital of Israel Jerusalem and being an American president not indicate Zionism? Trump has been supporting Israel since the October 7 attacks as well. JPHC2003 (talk) 02:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the man who praises Hamas for being "very smart" is a committed Zionist. (that was sarcasm, btw). Zaathras (talk) 03:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He took $100 million from Pro-Israel donor Miriam Adelson. Also, I don't think having a big picture of the Israeli flag as the only thing on your user page indicates much neutrality on this subject. JPHC2003 (talk) 23:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poor judgement on her part. Robby.is.on (talk) 00:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, I don't think Trump really has many, if any political convictions at all. He's just doing whatever he can to get elected and stay out of jail. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trump also said "f*ck Netanyahu" in an interview after Benjamin Netanyahu congratulated Biden on winning the election, AFTER Trump used his power as President of the United States to officially recognize the Golan Heights as Israeli territory. Here's a source for you. He's a chameleon that says and does whatever he thinks will earn him the most goodwill, admittedly like many other politicians. Sirocco745 (talk) 10:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia needs something much better than indications when labelling and categorising people. Good, reliable sources that actually say it are needed.--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 12:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Borderline bullying

Finito. Zaathras (talk) 01:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: [5]

That got a chuckle coming from you, the worst bully on the page. Now delete this with a dismissive edit summary. ―Mandruss ☎ 01:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My dear sir, your behavior is not above reproach. You style yourself as some sort of moderating voice or presence, but you're just a plain user like the rest of us. There was no need for you to snarkily tell a veteran user what they can and cannot post on the talk page if they have a concern above a reverted edit. Chill. Zaathras (talk) 01:13, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You probably have a point. Mine was about your hypocrisy, and I would have readily taken the criticism from just about anyone else. Improve yourself before calling on others to "be better" in the area of bullying. ―Mandruss ☎ 01:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tu quoque is covered in freshman philosophy, bud. Zaathras (talk) 01:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, well that's inconsistent with how most ordinary people think. I have no problem with being an ordinary person, and my comments stand. But you "win" the debate if that's important to you. ―Mandruss ☎ 01:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're correct Z, in closing down. GoodDay (talk) 01:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reversion of archive links

Is there a specific reason you reverted the addition of archive links at Donald Trump? These links are added to prevent the article from suffering from link rot later on. A decent amount of links quit working after only a year. Noah, BSBA^Talk 04:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Donald_Trump#Current_consensus #25. Zaathras (talk) 05:23, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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