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Hi JorizMingoyMontes! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at List of cathedrals in England that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. —Wasell^(T) 05:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for national celebrations in China/Macau

Hi, I have just noticed you have update the list celebration celebrated in China/Macau. I am working on romcal which is a library to build liturgical calendar in any supported locale for any supported country/diocese.

My question is: do you have sources for the China/Macau Proper, i.e. which celebrations are inscribed to the Calendar of China/Macau? The calendar from the Chinese Roman Missal would be the best source, or wven Holy See decrees, however, any source is welcome!

Thanks! 7otto (talk) 05:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! First of all, thank you very much for all that you do for the Church.

Well I got my sources primarily from this: https://gcatholic.org/calendar/index.htm

Its advantage is that it lists many diocesan calendars. Of course not all, so the list isn't comprehensive sadly. Not to mention many parishes especially here in the Philippines observe more feasts than their titular or patronal ones as per their respective traditions. This link isn't a good calendar though. For example, they lost movable feasts for national calendars but they don't specify on what exact day of the week the movable observance is held yearly. Also because many observances are superceded by higher ones in any given year, one may miss out on any observances skipped for a gi

JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 01:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...for a given year. I hope you share hence with me the vision that there must be a comprehensive list of all calendars in the Church, in all levels, where the movable observances are noted in their assigned weekday, and it might be good for the sake of Christian unity, to also include calendars of our cousins in the faith. I'm so happy to know you and more so I'm happy to be of help to you on anything you need if you would just ask my help. God bless you and your work! JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 01:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I am interested in primary/first-party sources, while I don’t consider gCatholic.org a primary source. Moreover, I’d like to get a copy of the cited parts of the sources (e.g. selected pages from a the Roman Misal), at least privately accessed by the romcal dev team only.

Moreover, even in here on Wikipedia, it would be awesome to add only sourced celebrations. Last year, Wikipedia user named Veverve wanted to remove all celebrations from the General Roman Calendar for many reasons, but one of them was the fact that most of the celebrations in the National calendars of the Roman Rite, Institutional and societal calendars of the Roman Rite and Personal jurisdiction calendars of the Roman Rite were and still are not sourced. You can read about this in the history of the talk page of the GRC article here and here Since then, all celebrations that are not inscribed the GRC were moved to separate articles.

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To be specific, by primary sources I mean the official publications of the Holy See and episcopal conferences (and their liturgical commissions), like the Holy See decrees, the various translations of the Roman Missal. By secondary sources I mean other publications like a liturgical calendar or calendar proper published by an episcopal conference (or its liturgical commission) or ordos (publishes for each liturgical year with many information used during the celebration of the Holy Mass or the Liturgy of the Hours). All other sources are considered third-party by me.

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Its advantage is that it lists many diocesan calendars.

We als try to add more diocesan calendars, however, we still want to have a source which we can reference.

Not to mention many parishes especially here in the Philippines observe more feasts than their titular or patronal ones as per their respective traditions.

That would not be a big problem to add to romcal. However, I wish we could get our hands on the Philippine translation of the Roman Missal, as well as the additional celebrations (incl celebration transfers to different dates and rank raises) for each diocesan calendar.

they lost movable feasts for national calendars but they don't specify on what exact day of the week the movable observance is held yearly.

This is not a problem for romcal, but we need the sources.

Also because many observances are superceded by higher ones in any given year, one may miss out on any observances skipped for a given year.

Neither this is a problem for romcal, as it calculates the calendar for the whole liturgical year.

I hope you share hence with me the vision that there must be a comprehensive list of all calendars in the Church, in all levels, where the movable observances are noted in their assigned weekday, and it might be good for the sake of Christian unity, to also include calendars of our cousins in the faith.

Yeah, that is our goal for romcal. We are not there year (we are undermanned, we work in our free time only which is quite short). Our goal is to provide anything and everything (data-wise) that is needed to generate an ordo (maybe a bit more) in any language for any particular calendar or the GRC. The providing the liturgical texts (like Holy Mass readings or collects) is not our goal.

I'm so happy to know you and more so I'm happy to be of help to you on anything you need if you would just ask my help. God bless you and your work!

If you feel so, you can open a GitHub Discussion to add/update/improve anything in romcal, like updating/verifying the Philippines Calendar or adding the Filipino locale. 78.99.32.44 (talk) 13:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but I don't have any access to official publications especially that many local churches sadly refuse to freely and fully release data online thinking it's just a clergy-only matter. I rely only on what I can have in the internet but I make sure it's verified information :)

But I know some persons whom you can talk with and ask for the materials you need. They're much better equipped and knowledgeable on the matter. Hang on in there and I'll give you their links! JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 02:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i would give you links to contact. These guys are church historians. They're also liturgists and is in constant contact with church authorities.

https://www.facebook.com/lorenzodbukas JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 02:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.facebook.com/LaBennie JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 02:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.facebook.com/kendrickivan.panganiban JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 02:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

just let me know if you have already contacted these guys and how it went.

I personally am not connected to these guys but I find their work helpful and related to yours and mine. JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 02:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also suggest you search for available online pdfs of various diocesan ordos, or available online pdfs of various sacramental propers of various religious orders and dioceses, if you haven't done it already. JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 02:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

many local churches sadly refuse to freely and fully release data online thinking it's just a clergy-only matter.

Yeah, but still you might find a friendly priest who could allow you to take pictures of select pages (around 20 pages) from the Roman Missal. I personally would be interested in all editions of the Roman Missal published after Vatican II in any language (therefore RM translations based on the first/second/third editions of the original Latin one). We could then use it to validate the national calendar based on it.

Another option is to request the information from the Episcopal Conference (or its Liturgical Commission) in the name of the romcal project.

I rely only on what I can have in the internet but I make sure it's verified information :)

Well, I still prefer having sources in my hands, even if they are shared with me privately. You know: trust but verify. :)

But I know some persons whom you can talk with and ask for the materials you need. They're much better equipped and knowledgeable on the matter. Hang on in there and I'll give you their links!

Thanks for the contacts! I’ll definitely contact them! ;)

just let me know if you have already contacted these guys and how it went.

If you have a Facebook/Messenger account, I think it would be better to add you to the group chat with all those people and me. It would be better even because they don’t know me and the message will definitely land in their Message Requests box, therefore they won’t get notified by my message.

I also suggest you search for available online pdfs of various diocesan ordos, or available online pdfs of various sacramental propers of various religious orders and dioceses, if you haven't done it already.

I already do that when I have time. I have already gathered some sources which still need to be processed. You know, there are only three active devs working on romcal (two programmers and me; while I do code at work, I am far from as good as they are; I mostly tend to the data gathering, processing and verification).

It would be awesome if you could come and join us with whether you want to work on as long as you have some free time. :)

7otto (talk) 12:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for asking my contact! Here it is: https://www.facebook.com/jojo.mercado.315428 JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 12:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if you may, or if you haven't seen these yet, the following links may be of help to you as I found such to be:

https://polishbreviary.wordpress.com/

https://medievalist.net/calendar/home.htm JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 14:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for cathedrals

I noticed you have added churches to List of cathedrals in the United States where the sources do not actually indicate they are cathedrals. See example here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_cathedrals_in_the_United_States&diff=prev&oldid=1251609385; the source you provided (https://standrewsnewton.weebly.com/) does not anywhere indicate that this is a cathedral. (Just because the pastor is a bishop does not make the church a cathedral; to assert this on Wikipedia is a form of WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH.) Thanks for your contributions, just please be sure to provide sources that support the claim being made in the edit! Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:34, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please kindly let me know why 'Just because the pastor is a bishop does not make the church a cathedral'.

If i'm not mistaken i'm blocked from further making any edits in this platform due to this. I see such on my mobile browser. if it's true i meekly ask you to please kindly lift that up because it's unfair that you block me only because of this, when i have no evil intentions to anyone or anything here, and for me to be blocked while at the same time asked to conform with the rules makes me no longer able to prove my compliance with such rules. Thank you. JorizMingoyMontes (talk) 07:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]