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Are these sources reliable?

Hi! I need your expertise. Can you please verify if these sources are reliable?

• University of Wollongong
• University of Sydney
• Broadsheet

Thank you. Impboi (talk) 15:30, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Impboi (talk) 15:26, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

It would depend on what facts they are intended to be used to verify: many sources can be regarded as Reliable for some matters, but not others, and a City Guide and Cultural magazine (the third) likely has different degrees of reliability in different topic areas to a major University (which doubtless produces everything from scientific papers to student rag-mags), so a blanket affirmation (or denial), is not applicable. You will have to be more specific about what facts, intended for what Article(s) or Draft(s) (presumably), and what particular passages in what publications. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.107.25 (talk) 15:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for responding to my message.

By the way, here are the links. I am hoping I can

use these as references.

• https://www.uow.edu.au/media/2015/arts-graduates-recognised-as-women-of-influencephp
• https://www.uow.edu.au/alumni/outlook
• /2020/artists-as-imagineers.php

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2019/04/10/turning-streets-into-art-galleries.html

• https://www.broadsheet.com.au/national/travel/article/curator-kat-roma-greers-favourite-hidden-art-spots-hong-kong

You mentioned previously that it depends on

the content. Do you thinkl can use them? 1'd

be grateful if you could response to this again.

Thank you. Impboi (talk) 16:42, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Inserting a short auto/bio in Wikipedia

How should I proceed to open the following page featuring a short bio/autobio? Thanks a lot for the support!

Prof. Dr. Enkelejda Miho is an Italian scientist working on artificial intelligence for personalized therapeutics and diagnostics.

She is a full Professor of Digital Life Sciences at the University of Applied Sciences and Arts Northwestern Switzerland, where she established the Master of Science in Medical Informatics. She is head of the Laboratory of Artificial Intelligence in Health since 2018 and a group leader at the Swiss Bioinformatics Institute since 2019.

Research. Her research focus is investigating personalized adaptive immunity and applying machine learning to discover antibody therapeutics and support personalized diagnostics through the development of clinical decision software based on integrated clinical, laboratory and multi-omics large-scale data.

Education. She did her master studies at University of Bologna, conducted research at Penn State University, completed her advanced studies at the University of Basel and her doctorate at ETH Zurich. Italdech (talk) 16:30, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

This Draft:Dr. Enkelejda Miho has been deleted twice as blatant promotion. Theroadislong (talk) 16:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Theroadislong

Actually, deleted twice for:

15:58, 22 September 2023 UtherSRG talk contribs deleted page Draft:Dr. Enkelejda Miho (G3: Vandalism) (thank)

15:24, 22 September 2023 Jimfbleak talk contribs deleted page Draft:Dr. Enkelejda Miho (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: self written vanity page, see WP:COI, WP:RS, WP:Notability (people), name is wrong in title) (thank)

Can anyone advice on someone that can publish and edit the content properly? Italdech (talk) 16:38, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Italdech. The answer is all in WP:YFA. But to summarise:

• First, find several places where people who have no connection with Miho or any of the universities you mention, or that institute, have chosen to write in some depth about her.
• If you cannot find any examples of this, then give up, as she does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.
• If you can find several such sources, then forget everything you know about her, and write an article based only on what those sources say, citing them as appropriate.

If you write a draft in that way, then it is likely to be accepted, and you can add further (referenced, neutrally described) material.

If you are associated with Miho, then you should declare this fact on your user page. ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, @Theroadislong sent the link that explained how to do this. The COI is now declared in my user page. Italdech (talk) 18:09, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing New Submission

I am a first time contributor to Wikipedia. My submission has been rejected and I am going to need to make substantial changes. I cannot figure out how to make changes and save them to the draft without having to publish and resubmit the article before it is ready. Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Thanks. MrMull (talk) 18:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:H. Wayne Rudmose Industrial Insect (talk) 18:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @MrMull, "Publish" in the Wikipedia sense means on the Editor means "Save". You won't actually be publishing for re-review, but you will be saving the changes to the draft. When you're ready to re-submit, click the blue Resubmit button. Qcne (talk) 18:50, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! MrMull (talk) 19:05, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Creating a new category

Everytime I insert {{Wikidata Infobox it does not come. I am creating a category for prince of hailing, xiao zhaowen and his wikidata infobox is not appearing. What am I supposed to do? The same name for wikidata. #bodyContent aFlag Creator { background-color: #ffa500; color: #ggggggg; font-weight: monoscope; } 19:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Flag Creator: Template:Wikidata_Infobox was deleted in January, so it is no longer available for use. I am not familiar with Wikidata usage, hopefully another editor can help you with that part. RudolfRed (talk) 21:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

is there software to auto-format wiki-references?

I see, that some editors are able to qucikly create cited references in a complex formate like . I wonder, if they use software, which allows for such automativ formtating. Walter Tau (talk) 16:03, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teashouse, Walter Tau! You can use RefToolbar for making advanced citations like this one. Davest3r08 (talk) 11:41, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for all your suggestions. Unfortunately, all of them would be steps back for me: since I have an EndNote license, and since all my databases are stored on the EndNote platform, if makes sense for me to use EndNote to automatically generate citations in the wiki format. I am sure there are other wikipedians, who are paying for EndNote, and would love to take advantage of it while wiki-working. This brings us to the next question: is there someone, who actually works for Wikipedia Foundation, and who can make such formal request for a new Output Style to Clarivate= the current owner of EndNote.

The request can be placed here:

In order to request a new Output Style,the Journal Editor or Librarian would require to fill up a form and submit them directly.

They can use this form to request and include a new Output Style : https://clarivate.libwizard.com/f/EndNote-Output-Style-Request-Form .

The content team will then review and process them.

You can also refer to our Knowledge base Article to check here:https://support.clarivate.com/Endnote/s/article/EndNote-Style-Filter-Connection-or-Word-Template-Requests?language=en_US for further details. Walter Tau (talk) 16:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC) Walter Tau (talk) 16:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Walter Tau

Use what suits you best then. Good luck editing Wikipedia! Davest3r08 (talk) 22:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

References

• @Walter Tau : There are many Citation tools that can help with this. Personally, I use ProveIt for most of my citations. It isn't perfect, but a lot faster than inputting everything manually. —Kusma (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you very much for your reply. I suspected, that something like Citation tools existed, but I did not know, what they were called. I shall look the links you provided. Let's make wiki better together :) Walter Tau (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Walter Tau: I make heavy use of toolbars to input references using the DOI or URL. But for books I use a google books link, and I would have to manually add the page number. Then later I run citation bot to fix dates and fill some other identifiers. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Like @Graeme Bartlett, I have also found the toolbar to be sufficient for creating citations. — Mugtheboss (talk) 16:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses. I my real life outside wiki, I use EndNote to format references in documents. Unfortunately, Clarivate would not accept my request to make an EndNote reference style for wikipedia. However, if Wikipedia Foundation makes such a request (there is no fees involved), Clarivate would honor such request. How do I get Wiki to make such request?

Hello, Walter Tau. and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know if there is any way to do this, but the place to discuss it is at the village pump - not sure which section of it would be most appropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I have also found that ChatGPT can convert a reference in text form to a templated wikitext form. However I do not know how reliable it is at that job as I have only done it a few times. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Walter Tau I am not sure if reFill is similar to what you are looking for, but I often use it myself to rapidly construct structured references from bare URLs. Hopefully it is of some use to you as well. ~Liance^talk 07:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Reporting paid article

Hi how I can report an upcoming paid article? The last time I reported a page by email to paid wikipedia but no one took any action. Is there anyone who can add the page in their watchlist and take action when created? I have evidence and all. 113.193.45.46 (talk) 14:29, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. No one can do anything about an article that has not been created yet. 331dot (talk) 14:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

331dot, thank you for replying. I was wondering if someone can add the page in their watchlist and take action as soon as it's created because it's coming from upwork. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.193.45.46 (talk) 14:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

You will need to tell us what it is called first. Theroadislong (talk) 14:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Theroadislong: Thank you. Can you join wikipedia-en at Wikipedia:IRC so I can share it privately because the screenshot might include private information? 113.193.45.46 (talk) 14:51, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

We don't need a screenshot just the article's likely title. Theroadislong (talk) 14:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

It could be under this or this. 113.193.45.46 (talk) 15:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll keep the article in mind and check at some point NotAGenious (talk) 17:12, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

We have no article by either of those names. Same for this likely variant. DS (talk) 23:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Interviews considered primary sources?

Hi all! Fairly new editor here with a question -- I've had a page that I feel is exceptionally well suited for publication declined, and the reason cited was that there are too many primary sources and not secondary. The note also mentioned that interviews are primary sources, which I find confusing. Can someone provide some insight?

For more context, this page is for a filmmaker, whose films already have wiki pages, and 13 sources were provided along with some internal links as well.

Thank you all in advance for your help navigating this tricky wiki stuff! Lydiajk (talk) 23:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lydiajk, and welcome to the Teahouse! You might find it useful to read WP:PST, which explains the differences between a primary, secondary, and tertiary source - an interview is a primary source because it contains no analysis or synthesis, and is instead an unfiltered perspective from the person themselves. Tollens (talk) 23:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:David O'Donnell. GoingBatty (talk) 23:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you for the quick reply! And if the interview is integrated into a greater article, that does include some analysis/synthesis (ie reflections from the journalist) does that constitute as secondary? 2603:8000:A703:FC9F:C51D:E0DE:2948:3E89 (talk) 23:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but only the analysis - the interview itself will always be primary. Tollens (talk) 23:51, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Got it! Thank you Lydiajk (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Edit made. Lydiajk (talk) 23:50, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

How do I make a bot?

I want to make a bot that will manage draft categories. How can I make such a bot? I have programming experience but little other knowledge about how wikipedia bots work. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:42, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Immanuelle. Start by studying Wikipedia:Bot policy. Cullen328 (talk) 18:50, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: Hi there! I'm curious - what would you want the bot to do when it is managing draft categories? GoingBatty (talk) 19:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty It will do a few different things to enable easy draft category editing.

• Apply the Template:Draft categories template to any drafts with categories. This means that if text such as [[Category:Example category]] is present in the code (as a single category) then it will be replaced with {{draft categories|[[Category:Example category]]}}
• It will move disorganized categories into one draft categories template
• It will change legacy category disabling such as [[:Category:Example category]] or <nowiki>[[Category:Example category]]</nowiki> to ones using the draft category template
• (more controversial addition) it will find any empty draft category templates and introduct a dummy category to them to make hotcat work with it. It will also remove such a category in the event that another category is added.

This will allow for people to use hotcat more intuitively with draft articles Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

This is all relatively easy to do in code. I could write it in C# in an hour, I just don't know what languages are acceptable for bots and how to host them. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 21:14, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Immanuelle, please read Help:Creating a bot. Cullen328 (talk) 22:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: I already have a bot that does #1. The hard part is efficiently identifying which drafts have article categories. GoingBatty (talk) 22:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty oh are there draft categories that ought to be applied solely to drafts without going into articlespace? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 22:57, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: There are over 2,000 draft categories, most of which should be applied via templates. GoingBatty (talk) 23:43, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Immanuelle, you may wish to encode some patience into your bot, letting unsubmitted drafts sit with their category problems for 24 hours since the most recent edit before the bot edits them. Newer editors often leave the editing interface open for long periods of time while working on an edit, and don't expect edit conflicts or understand how to resolve them. Folly Mox (talk) 01:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

'Semantic Web Tags' and 'Wiki Markup' should I use a combination, or Wiki Markup exclusively?

September 19, 2023

To: Wiki Community TeaHouse: Question about 'Semantic Web Tags' and 'Wiki Markup'

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Th74/sandbox&redirect=no

Titled: Draft: List of Greek New Testament Print Editions (16th century)

I'm in the process of making a Wiki Page and I'm not quite sure how to handle 'Semantic Web Tags' and 'Wiki Mark Up'. I'm making a Bibliographic Index which is, basically, Bibliographic Citation Data, broken up into its components with each part of the citation in individual table cells so a person can search by any component. There is one citation per row. An example would be that a person can search by date, or by publisher etc.

I read that WikiData's web-bots crawl all the content of Wikipedia each night to extract usable data, especially links.

To cooperate with this goal, I took the trouble to add 'Semantic Web Tags' to all the citation components. After this was completed, I discovered that Wikipedia uses an entirely different method: 'Wiki Mark Up'.

My question is: Should I strip out all my Semantic Web Tags, and go with Wiki Markup exclusively, or should I leave the Semantic Web Tags in and use an alternate tag for the prohibited <a> tag?

Additional Facts:

I noticed that in the 'Edit Source' mode, the Wiki Markup, ignores the Semantic Web Tags, except for a few prohibited ones, such as the <a> tag but I could use an alternate tag for <a>.

Here is an example of my 'Editor' Cell with Semantic Web Tags [Oops!, when I copy and pasted it into this box, all my Semantic Web Tags are gone. Click on the 'Source' tab above to see them.]:

de Cisneros, Francisco Jiménez

(1436-1517)

|Wiki-ID

|OCLC-ID

And here is the Wikipedia 'Edit Source' cell content [Oops!, when I copy and pasted it into this box, all my Semantic Web Tags are gone. Click on the 'Source' tab above to see them.]:

|-

| <span property="foaf:person" resource="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Jim%C3%A9nez_de_Cisneros"><span property="foaf:family_name"><span property="foaf:givenname"><span property="schema:additionalName"><span property="gndo:dateOfBirth"><span property="gndo:dateOfDeath"><span property="schema:editor" resource="https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PBJvHhjFHYjM3PTRHJ6jpyd/">de Cisneros, Francisco Jiménez</span></span></span></span></span></span></span>

(1436-1517)
 [http://Francisco_Jim%C3%A9nez_de_Cisneros Wiki-ID]

 [https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PBJvHhjFHYjM3PTRHJ6jpyd/ OCLC]

And here is the same cell with all the 'Semantic Web Tags' removed:

|-
 | de Cisneros,  Francisco Jiménez (1436-1517)

 [http://Francisco_Jim%C3%A9nez_de_Cisneros Wiki-ID]

 [https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PBJvHhjFHYjM3PTRHJ6jpyd/ OCLC]

As you can see, a lot of detailed information is lost when I remove the Semantic Web Tags. I was thinking that if I can use a combination of Semantic Web Tags and Wiki Markup, then the WikiData bots will be able to harvest a lot more information.

Any advice and guidance you could provide would be appreciated.

sincerely Robert Crawford user: Th74

19 Sept. 2023 Th74 (talk) 02:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

 Note: wrapped code onto {{pre}} and nowiki 💜  melecie  talk - 03:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Melecie: I haven't read all that. In a Wikipedia article, you should never use <a href="...">. If the link is to another Wikipedia article, you should use a "wikilink", with double square brackets. If it's to a published source elsewhere, you should instead cite the source, see Help:Referencing for beginners.   Maproom (talk) 07:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Maproom, Melecie edited the OP's post; they're aren't the OP. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Th74, Basically, you should strip them all out and use wiki markup. For a more nuanced description, please see Help:Wikitext, especially section Help:Wikitext#HTML. Mathglot (talk) 04:18, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Justus von Dohnányi

Is there a easier way to create table/ convert template content to tables w.r.t filmography? Without manually adding one by one. Jeraxmoira (talk) 06:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

If you have a CSV or other tabular format to convert from, here is a nice tool: Convert CSV to MediaWiki Table Podstawko (talk) 06:46, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank! Will try it out. <3 Jeraxmoira (talk) 07:25, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Translating an existing article into another language

Hey there!

I'm new to editing Wikipedia but I'd love to translate some existing articles from English to my native language Slovenian. Is there any specific way I should go about it or do I just translate what's written and format it to make proper sense? AmFennyFox (talk) 08:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@AmFennyFox Some guidance at Wikipedia:Translate us. Perhaps you'd like to consider this one I started? Christoph Steidl Porenta. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! AmFennyFox (talk) 09:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello @AmFennyFox, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Please check out WP:TRANSLATE and WP:TRANSLATEUS. Happy editing! 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 08:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Those links are very helpful! AmFennyFox (talk) 09:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Btw, Wikipedia:WikiProject Slovenia may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

EDIT A NAME

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad ADD P.B.U.H IN FONT OF MUHAMMAD NAME 2400:ADCC:16E:D00:9956:7A5E:4B7D:85E (talk) 08:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

This is generally not done unless contained in a quotation, per the manual of style. Tollens (talk) 08:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

We do not use honorifics, (PBUH, SAW, SWT etc.) as is explained at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles - Arjayay (talk) 10:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Templates

Hey, I would like to create a new template, but not sure how to go about it. Could someone link me to a page where it is explained? Thanks. Professor Penguino (talk) 06:49, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey Professor Penguino, This may help you Help:A quick guide to templates. Jeraxmoira (talk) 06:59, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Professor Penguino (talk) 07:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Help:A quick guide to templates, also Help:Template under 'Writing templates' NotAGenious (talk) 06:59, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Definitely will be helpful! Much thanks! Professor Penguino (talk) 07:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

No worries. Good luck! NotAGenious (talk) 07:08, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Btw, is it possible to move a template into user space? Professor Penguino (talk) 07:35, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes - same way you would normally move any other page. Tollens (talk) 08:01, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Professor Penguino (talk) 08:25, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

And you can even transclude a template from user space. The only significance of Template: space is that it is the default namespace for transclusion. ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Neutral language for decolonization?

It's a sensitive subject.

On some pages I see a colony being "granted" independence. On other pages I see a colony "achieving" independence. Two points of view that subtly shift the focus of agency as being more with the colonial power, or more with the objectives of colonial inhabitants. There is another POV that external pressures play a part in decolonization, which neither "grant" not "achieve" quite cover.

There are a number of causal factors which have been said to have played a part in the process of decolonization:

- changes in British political attitude to empire, leaning more to the granted view

- rise of colonial nationalism, the achieving or demanding view

- state of the British economy after 1945, the external pressure, unable to maintain empire view

- by-product of the rise of American and Soviet powers, another external pressure

My personal opinion is that "grant" can seem a bit patronizing, but as the usage of "grant" is so widespread there's consensus for its use.

Would it be more neutral to be generally describing colonies as "becoming" independent?

If there is evidence/analysis in a particular case that one (or some) of the causal factors was (were) more important for a particular country, then use more specific language.

Or do I think too much about the subtleties of language?

I have also been trying a thought experiment, taking a statement from one page and imagining it being placed on another page, and thinking about how its neutrality might be received. It is also interesting to look at the same article in different languages. Is this the right way to be thinking about neutrality, or is neutrality context sensitive? Corsac Fox Kazakhstan (talk) 16:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Corsac Fox Kazakhstan One factor to consider is the wording used in the sources for a given article. In general, Wikipedia uses the same language as its sources, which of course may themselves not be neutral. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Corsac Fox Kazakhstan: I somewhat disagree with Michael D. Turnbull above. A reliable source that uses biased language is not a license for us to do the same. We can do better. There are plenty of biased sources that are nevertheless considered reliable by the community (Mother Jones magazine comes to mind). We cite the facts they report, not their bias.

As for wording, "became independent" or perhaps "gained independence" would be more neutral than "granted" or "achieved" independence, but if it's historically more correct to say "achieved" (say, a country actually did achieve independence through a bloody war) then we should use the historically accurate term. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Mike, Anachronist thank you.

"gained independence" is a good alternative.

So in summary

• use the exact same wording as the source if it's unbiased (like substitution of a formula in mathematics)
• but take only facts from sources that mix fact & biased interpretation or point of view.

In the simple case where the exact same wording as the source seems OK to me, I've seen unnecessary translations into different wording. It irks when the meaning changes slightly. Perhaps there's a concern that wording has to change because of copyright (shouldn't be a problem for a few words/phrases). Or perhaps it's a habit instilled by teachers asking students to put things into their own words (and so display understanding/engagement with the material beyond copy-and-paste).

The substitution of a formula idea is what I have been doing with my thought experiments about whether statements judged to be neutral on one page would be judged to be neutral on another page. Corsac Fox Kazakhstan (talk) 12:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Right, if a reliable source uses biased wording, neutralize it. If you are using the same neutral terminology as the source, be careful you aren't plagiarizing whole sentences. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:02, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

If the source is being credited then is it plagiarism? Thinking about the care I should be exercising when using a source's exact words has given me a new appreciation of multiple sourcing as a guard against using one author's words, which might run the risk of infringing copyright. It's also nicely aligned with protection against a single source's bias.

I've quoted long passages from sources on a talk page (now archived) to make a point about none of them supporting something the article was saying. I had not thought about the copyright implications. Should I do something about that? I see these references British_Raj#References have extensive quotations from sources. Corsac Fox Kazakhstan (talk) 12:23, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Is it possible (and allowed) to reference an in-person event?

I need a reference for the "Awards and nominations" section of Draft:Krew (Youtube group) to Roblox Innovation Awards 2022 (and now, 2023). These were in-person events, and the only other sources I could find were listicles.

No longer needed. I just found an unlisted video of the 2022 event on Roblox's official YouTube channel through a link from their blog. Still, feel free to answer this question, as someone may find the answer useful. Edited 22:42, 22 September 2023 (UTC) AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 22:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@AKFkrewfamKF1: Welcome to the Teahouse! The citation needs to be a published source for verifiability purposes, such as a video or newspaper article or conference proceedings. It can't just be what someone thinks they heard. GoingBatty (talk) 22:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Good thing I found the video then. Thanks AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 22:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

There's also the question: if an award has not been noticed or commented on by any independent sources, why is it significant enough to be mentioned in an encyclopaedia article? Many awards are little more than self-congratulary marketing puff passed around within an industry sector. ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

now that you mention it, it is a very Roblox-specific event, but I am only mentioning the subject's nominations and winnings. I may remove the references if the draft is declined again. AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 14:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Article deleted. Had only 13 percent on copy check

hi, article deleted? Eleven table tennis? Why? Acetylcholine (talk) 21:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Acetylcholine What? This one: Eleven Table Tennis? Could you explain your concerns a little more clearly, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

It is showing, but for some reason the links to this article in my talk page showing as RED, which means deleted.

I was surprised, I put a lot of effort to collect almost everything on Google to compile the information.

I have seen few more articles about VR games and they are less than half of it and still no one touched them. I hope that this eleven table tennis article does not meet any criteria for deletion.

I am not related to this game in any way. I am a Pediatric Surgeon by professsion. I just love this game.

This game can make our children more thin and active, instead of playing on the couch, this game is to be played like a real table tennis game and yet it can be played at home and in a limited space and it's a great fitness and entertainment duo for our next generation. Acetylcholine (talk) 22:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Acetylcholine. The link on your talk page is to the non-existent Draft:Eleven Table Tennis: you moved it to Eleven Table Tennis.

I have tagged it for tone and peacock language, but I haven't investigated to see whether or not it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

Note that the existence of other articles is irrelevant: see other stuff exists. Also, the virtues of the game are of zero relevance to Wikipedia, unless they have been written about by an independent reliable source. ColinFine (talk) 22:23, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Acetylcholine: You should have waited for an experienced editor to review your draft rather than move it to main space yourself before it was ready. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:23, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

yes, that I admit was not a good thing, "in-experience". I uploaded the logo and the file would not upload unless I give associated article and the upload system would not accept draft version. So I moved it to article with the intention of reversing it to draft after the logo would upload. After upload I tried to revert it to draft status but I failed to do so because I guess my privilege was restricted and I could not do it.... Acetylcholine (talk) 01:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @Acetylcholine! generally the guideline is that non-free images are to be used exclusively in fully published articles where they are relevant (not drafts of any kind, and nowhere else in the wiki). so if you want to bring it back to a draft, you have to remove the image until the draft is properly approved. don't worry, the lack of an image won't make it any less likely for the draft to be approved. see the non-free content policy| for more on this. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Acetylcholine I've done an initial copy edit of your article, but I'd really recommend you explore a bit more to understand encyclopedic standards and tone before creating another article from scratch- phrasing like "you do this and then you can do that" is not appropriate here, that's more of a blog or manual style of writing. In addition about half of the sentences were fragments rather than sentences, and none of the proper nouns (company names etc) were capitalized. From the discussion above, I understand you didn't mean to move it out of draft right away, so no worries on this stuff- just trying to identify some of the bigger "themes" in the article's style that would've caused problems upon review, and which you'll want to avoid in future articles.

I left the final section "Reception" unedited, because it seems as though you were directly quoting reviews without actually using quotes. If you're borrowing the direct phrasing from a source, you need to put it into "quotes like this" to make that clear. When you get a chance, please check in that section to see where you've pulled direct language from the sources, and use quotes accordingly. If you'd like me to review that section once you're sure there's no copyright violation, I'm happy to do so! Or, if you want more time to work on it, you can have one of these more experienced editors help you move it back into "draft" status. Chiselinccc (talk) 13:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

thanks, i only used a direct sentence from gamesradar and i have placed it in quotes, rest of the reception is my own words. Acetylcholine (talk) 13:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Acetylcholine, I think you still have some work to do on understanding what is appropriate to include in Wikipedia articles. I just had to revert your addition of the poorly written text blurb I had already edited for you, which you included in its previous form in the Virtual reality article. It was not only poorly written for an encyclopedia, but you were also taking the language "motivate kids off the couch" VERBATIM from the article, and now I'm starting to suspect that you are the owner of the website you keep linking with that review or something. Pasting that in more than one place looks a lot like link spam: are you affiliated with the site in question? Please pay attention to the quality of the writing you are inserting into the encyclopedia, because the content I just reverted is wildly inappropriate for inclusion. Chiselinccc (talk) 14:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh! No no. I am an advocate of this new technology. I am a Pediatric Surgeon by professsion. There are journal articles which are based on scientific research which has studied the topic of VR and it's effect on children from obesity and exercise perspective. These journal articles are too complex to link to, so I just googled an easy article and l linked to it.

My intention of writing this VR table tennis wiki is that anyone who is interested can have a general idea of what this is and can have good references to go and read. And people can explore more of it. The main website is too small. The faqs for the site exist but in a completely different place, the bug reporting is present built-in the game and also available in the discord server.

I have a question:

One of discord memebr/player of this game sent me a FAQ for this game:

How to use this in the wiki page?

https://11clubhouse.com/eleven-faq.html Acetylcholine (talk) 15:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

i have added a talk page discussion to VR article. I have referenced multiple manuscripts, Please have a look and i suggest that the information should be part of main VR article.

Talk:Virtual reality#new heading in the main section suggested based on new studies: "Benefits for Health and Education" Acetylcholine (talk) 14:07, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Infobox photo

I recently uploaded a photo to the infobox of my draft Draft:The Glass Harmonica (film) - Wikipedia The photo isn't centered and is in its own border, which isn't how its supposed to be. Help:Infobox/picture - Wikipedia says that I need to remove the |thumb| part of the image file. I tried to do that different ways, but it either made the image way too big or deleted it entirely. Does anyone here know how to get it right? Thanks! Welcome back bro (talk) 00:19, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

I've edited it here. Feel free to revert or change my edit if it's not what you want. CodeTalker (talk) 00:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

I've disabled the image displaying for now as the page is not yet in article space - non-free images are only allowed in article pages per WP:NFCP. Feel free to add it back when the page gets published. I notice the image is currently on Wikimedia Commons, which doesn't allow non-free images at all, so the image will likely soon be deleted there. You can, however, host the image directly on Wikipedia; you can upload it using the file upload wizard once the page is published. Tollens (talk) 06:58, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Would I click on "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use" and then "This is some other kind of non-free work that I believe is legitimate Fair Use"? Or would I upload them a different way? Thanks! Welcome back bro (talk) 12:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

The first part is correct, but it should be uploaded under "This is an excerpt from a copyrighted work" rather than the "other" category because it is (I assume) a screenshot from the film. Tollens (talk) 17:55, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Randy Davison

I'm tempted to push this through, but would like further opinions. I'm not getting exact reasons for why this doesn't pass WP:NACTOR. I can guess not having notable awards is one reason. But they appear to have enough significant credits to justify inclusion with their filmography or stage credits. Some sources aren't as significant or independent as others, so that perhaps could be the issue too. I've included some of the better refs on the talk page. Filmforme (talk) 06:58, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

I think the article is very well written for a draft, apart from a few minor typos. I think the trouble is that those who have reviewed it don’t think it has sufficient coverage from reliable sources to warrant it becoming an article. (P.S. I actually think you have proven that the subject has significant coverage, but I don’t have the power to turn drafts into articles). Professor Penguino (talk) 07:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Both criteria for actors (significant roles in multiple films + prolific contributions) are met, and as @Professor Penguino wrote, the article is well researched and written. If I had the power to do that, I'd approve this draft. Podstawko (talk) 07:11, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

It also seems to me on a quick look over your WP:THREE sources that the draft passes WP:NBASIC even if not WP:NACTOR. I'll ping Timtrent, the most recent reviewer - would you mind explaining your rationale for declining the draft a bit further? Tollens (talk) 07:19, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Professor Penguino @Podstawko @Tollens Thanks for your opinions. I've cited some more material and with your thoughts, I'll move it to article space now. I appreciate the insight. –Filmforme (talk) 08:25, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens it is in main space, so it is hardly relevant now 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:14, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zsolt Süle

Could anyone comment on this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zsolt Süle Pottyantós WC (talk) 17:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

OP indef blocked NotAGenious (talk) 19:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

LIVING PERSONS PAGE CREATION

I would like to create pages of prominent public figures like Supreme and High Court judges, Medical Directors of established hospitals and like wise. My question is how to create these pages without them seeming like resumes. Do I have include their educational background? What can i do to improve this? Thanks

Draft:MUSA SSEKAANA Prmosesk (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a new Wikipedia article(the preferred term, not the broader "page") is the most difficult thing to attempt here. It is highly recommended that users new to Wikipedia first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial is also helpful. In this way you also see other articles and their form, style, and structure. You can also peruse some of the articles rated as good articles to get decent examples of articles.

Regarding your draft, it is sourced largely to routine coverage of him as well as his own website; the main purpose of a Wikipedia article is to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. The subject's own website is not an independent source, as it is the person speaking about themselves. That may be useful for some purposes, but not to establish notability. The other sources are routine coverage of things like his being appointed to a position. "Significant coverage" goes beyond just telling us what the person does and goes into detail about what the source sees as important/significant/influential about the person. For some people(like a Supreme Court justice) it may be obvious, but there should be more said than "X person is on the Court". 331dot (talk) 18:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

After it was declined, you resubmitted without addressing the reviewers reasons. Do not do this again. Address the reviewer's reasons and Comments, the latter including proper format for references and not using the person's own website as a reference. David notMD (talk) 20:01, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Language hurting religious sentiments.

I wanted to ask if changes to a page's language can be made if it hurts religious sentiment. Context of it is: in page on celebrations of birth of a Hindu God, Hindu gods are mentioned as statue, whereas in local and Hindi language we call it "Murti". Which is Sanskrit word for representing physical non-living form of God. Interesting thing here is when I searched for other religion's idol worship, I found that they don't consider idols as Gods at all. May be this issue is bigger and arisen because of insensitivity. I don't want to go there, just answer in this page's context, i hope wiki org will get to bottom of it sometime in future. Ankraj giri (talk) 15:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

PS: I have edited the page because I was in middle of editing when I asked question here. Ankraj giri (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@ankraj giri: we will not have articles pander to religions. ltbdl (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying. But then why don't we call God Non-existent beings or existence not verified in articles on Gods. Articles pandering to religion is not equal to articles respecting Gods. Here I am asking for language that respects them. Question would rise why should lots article be modified to respect gods. My answer is simple respect all of them or don't respect any of them. Ankraj giri (talk) 15:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ltbdl This isn't a question of "pandering" and I am aghast to see this phrasing here in this context. -- asilvering (talk) 15:21, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Ankraj giri, as this is the English-language Wikipedia, it would (in my opinion) be inappropriate to use routinely a Hindi word unknown to the large majority of English speakers, though of course it can be added and defined/linked where appropriate, as you have done. Your definition of the word "Murti" above is in perfect accordance with the English word 'statue', which is not disrespectful and is routinely used for such representations in and by many religions, including Christianity (although Wikipedia is religiously neutral and does (or should) not favour the point of view of any religion – Disclosure: I am an Eclectic Wiccan).

The word "idol" is not a perfect synonym for "statue". It often does imply a degree of disrespect and a particular religious point of view ("Our representations of God(s) are statues or icons, yours are idols."), so should only be used in particular applications or when accurately quoting sources (which may date from an earlier era when such bias was routine).

I'm sure other will want to contribute their views on this matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.107.25 (talk) 15:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

For everyone: This pertains to Ganesh Chaturthi, where Ankraj giri has capitalized Murti and in one instance changed "statue" to "Murti". I suggest that a more appropriate place for a discussion is the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 18:17, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment. In this context, I believe "murti" is respectful, "statue" is neutral, and "doll" is disrespectful. Maproom (talk) 21:14, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

weird day review

Hi, I'm a fairly new student editor, however I have good support from my teacher and peer reviewer and so far have felt quite welcomed on Wikipedia from all of you who have communicated with me. I have tasks of general editing, creating pages, improving pages, and bringing pages to good standing. I chose to focus on women in STEAM and advocacy.

Today I edited two pages and had two things happen that I would like to ask for help and support from more experienced editors. Would you please help me with this?

1) I started to edit Grimes and before I could even finish, a flurry of activity happened on that article and talk page including editor fighting and reverting (not with me, but amongst others) and at some point through that my good faith edits were erased. I really don't think they should have been. Will an experienced editor take a look at that page and give me your feedback, and also advise if I should even try to go back there and edit any more? If my edits should stand, would you please revert them back?

2) There was a template tag on Amy Karle, I read about it and followed the information to improve the page and remove the tag. I did significant editing, re-writing a large part of the article. Nonetheless the tag was quickly reverted without much feedback. (It seems they may not have thoroughly reviewed my work before re-adding the tag?) I engaged a dialogue on the talk page about it. Will a more experienced editor please review that article and make edits to remove the tags? Both my teacher and peer reviewer think the tags seem better suited for the talk page than the main page at this point. What do you think? If you think I made the appropriate changes please remove the tag. If not, would you please give your feedback and advice?

Thank you LWu22 (talk) 02:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@LWu22: Please be patient and wait for the responses on the article talk pages. It's not necessary to also post the same questions on your talk page and here. GoingBatty (talk) 03:36, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

At Amy Karle it appears at View history that you removed all tags on 9/23 and those have not been restored. David notMD (talk) 11:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@LWu22: The conflict on the Grimes article comes from an editor who was being disruptive in several unacceptable ways including edit-warring and assuming bad faith. After just 30 or so edits, Battenintokyo is now blocked. This kind of brief disruption is pretty common across the encyclopedia, and it's often resolved within a day or so like that.

The issue on Amy Karle's page is completely different. Those editors do not appear to be doing anything disruptive; they're just holding the content up to a high standard. On the talk page, it seems two of them have created a checklist/roadmap to move forward. Their insistence that the tag remain on the article is pretty common among editors. I'm personally not a fan of the warning banner type of tags in general, but I think the rationale from editors who use them is that when they are not very visible (big orange banner at the top of the article), it's easy for editors to ignore the issue. It looks like you and another editor have combined to remove a massive portion of the old problematic content. As you close in on resolving the issues, you could consider or discuss on the talk page moving to templates for individual sections or inline templates. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:31, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing Citations

I was working in Citation Hunt, and I came across this:

In page Kabul:

" In 1826, the kingdom was claimed by Dost Mohammad Khan, but in 1839 Shujah Shah Durrani was re-installed with the help of the British Empire during the First Anglo-Afghan War. In 1841 a local uprising resulted in the killing of the British resident and loss of mission in Kabul and the 1842 retreat from Kabul to Jalalabad. In 1842 the British returned to Kabul, demolishing the city's main bazaar in revenge before returning to British India (now Pakistan). Akbar Khan took to the throne from 1842 to 1845 and was followed by Dost Mohammad Khan.[citation needed]

I went to the page, and it actually shows a citation there [55](?). I visited the source, and I couldn't find anything that talked about Akbar Khan, much less their taking the throne. The citation says it was retrieved 20 June, and in the page's history on that date, the edit note says "Added citations", as in more than one. I don't want to use the undo button so as not to undo any other citations, so I clicked on the Edit button to see if it were possible to delete just that specific citation, and therein it shows the citation as [51](!). So now I'm thoroughly confused. :) Any help/guidance you can provide to an utter newbie would be much appreciated, thank you. Cthulos (talk) 02:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Citation Hunt (I learn something new all the time.) GoingBatty (talk) 03:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

(deleting my previous response as it was inaccurate). Podstawko (talk) 05:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Where do you see 51? I can see citation 55 for that fragment. And if it is incorrect, indeed you can remove it and change to "citation needed". Podstawko (talk) 05:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cthulos: I believe this is caused by having inline citations contained in the infobox. I'm not sure why it causes a shift in the inline citation numbers from before and after hitting the edit button. So I would also be interested in an explanation. The inline citation appears to go to [1] when editing the citation. TipsyElephant (talk) 12:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cthulos and TipsyElephant: There's nothing special going on with 51/55 and it can be safely removed. The citations change numbers in the Visual Editor because that software does not have access to references in templates. So, for example, this line in the infobox template: | nickname = [[Paris]] of [[Central Asia]]<ref name="Golden" /><ref name="Glory" /> places two references early in the article that Visual Editor just ignores. This affects different articles to varying degrees. In extreme cases like 86-DOS, you just can't touch any sources in the VE. The WMF considers templates out of scope so this is unlikely to change in the near future. Hope that helps, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:48, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

New editor needing help

Ya'll are such a friendly bunch, I'm hoping you can take over where I've left off with this new editor who needs your brand of patience. I tend not to edit on the weekends, and think maybe another helping hand is needed.Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ponyo Challenge accepted. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 04:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Images

Question: How do you make an image in a template smaller? Thanks. Professor Penguino (talk) 21:41, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Professor Penguino— the answer depends on which template you are using, but in general there is guidance regarding image sizing in the Manual of Style. It's worth noting that these days, we try not to directly specify image sizes for various good reasons as noted in that material, but go ahead and give it a look and see if it covers your case. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 22:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Professor Penguino, which template do you mean? For an infobox, it will be the |image_upright= parameter. Other templates may or may not have a parameter to set the size. Feel free to ask further questions, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, the issue is resolved for now. Cheers. Professor Penguino (talk) 03:28, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh, when making a template, I understand now. Glad you figured it out! Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Can I give assessments to my own created articles?

I ask because I noticed another editor doing this with an article they created. For whatever reason, I assumed that assessing one's own articles isn't allowed because of conflict of interest. If I'm mistaken in thinking this, please let me know. Thanks! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: I wouldn't... just to be safe. If you absolutely feel that it needs an assessment, I'd ask one of the related, active Wikiprojects pertaining to the article, and they should be able to help you. Happy editing! ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 04:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: I don't see anything at Wikipedia:Content assessment#Assessing articles that restricts self-assessment below A-class. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:59, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

CurryTime7-24, GA, FA, and A have an assessment process. Stub, Start, C, and B are very informal. Regards, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft Decline

This article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dekunle_Okunrinboye got rejected after I have corrected the first adviced a reviewer highlighted but I feel it notable for inclusion, He has enough Good sources from reliable sources. Will kindly request for another editor to look and advice at it.Fmnoble (talk) 18:19, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

It was declined NOT rejected. Theroadislong (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, Thank you for the correction, but the article has the necessary citations for inclusion. Should I provide sources or what do you advise.Fmnoble (talk) 18:29, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fmnoble: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you start a discussion on Draft talk:Dekunle Okunrinboye and ask the reviewer for specifics on why they declined the article. I wonder how many of the citations are not independent (e.g. interviews). GoingBatty (talk) 19:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

GoingBatty, He has about 5 good independent sources (Secondary). I can provide sources here to prove my point.Fmnoble (talk) 19:23, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Fmnoble, which three of the sources cited in Draft:Dekunle Okunrinboye, in your opinion, provide the best support for the claim of notability? Maproom (talk) 07:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Maproom kindly see [[2]][[3]][[4]]Fmnoble (talk) 10:31, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Fmnoble: Source 2 may be ok as helping to establish notability. It's a bit weird, saying that its writer is "Tribune Online", and saying "According to online search, Dekunle is a Nigerian businessman ..." as if the writer didn't really know anything about him. It mostly writes Okunrinboye with a lower-case "o", saying "Dekunle okunrinboye as he is rightly know". Source 3 appears good, but is so promotional that I suspect it was written by the subject. For me, source 4 just displays a series of advertisements. Maproom (talk) 06:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Maproom here is another three good sources [[5]]

[[6]]

[[7]][[8]] Fmnoble (talk) 06:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Some to look over my draft before I submit?

FYI

 – Hid draft content as it is taking up unnecessary space. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Teahousers!

I wonder if I could get someone to look over a draft before I push the publish button. I am scared to push the button because I have lost all of my citations each time I tried. Thank you, in advance!

Best, Wabbity

Wabbitty (talk) 16:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Do you mean this Draft:Sarah Boxer you have already published the draft but have not submitted it for review, if you do it would immediately declined because indeed there are zero sources. Theroadislong (talk) 16:45, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

That is indeed the article. The trouble is that the draft you are seeing is not the draft I am seeing. My draft shows 45 citations/sources, correctly formatted, but somehow they disappear every time I try to submit. Is there a way I can share my draft page so you can see all the citations? Can I share it without submitting it? Wabbitty (talk) 17:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Can I send you a screenshot or a cut-and-pasted version of what my Drafts page, with all the sources footnoted properly, looks like? I saved it as a file on my computer, so as not to lose all my citations. My Drafts page for this article is not the Drafts page you're looking at! Wabbitty (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Oof, it looks like you only have inline references like [1] and [2]. Did you write the draft using a text editor like Microsoft Word, and added the citations there? If you did, you'll have to take a look at WP:REFB, like read in the decline message. Especially see WP:INTREF3. Otherwise, you need to go and find reliable sources for your article. NotAGenious (talk) 17:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Can I send you a screenshot or a cut-and-pasted version of what my Drafts page, with all the sources footnoted properly, looks like? I saved it as a file on my computer, so as not to lose all my citations. My Drafts page for this article is not the Drafts page you're looking at! Wabbitty (talk) 17:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

The problem is - if you wrote the page and added the citations on your computer, you're gonna need to convert them to the code Wikipeda uses, in order for the inline citations to work. WP:REFVISUAL tells you how to give the computer a link, and the citation will be generated. But sure, you can send a screenshot and I'll see what I can do. NotAGenious (talk) 17:43, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

It's not submitting the draft (by clicking a "Submit" button in Wikipedia) that makes the sources disappear. It's whatever you do to get the document from Word, or whatever you're using, into Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 18:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you! I actually wrote the article in Wikipedia and put the citations in there. I only put a copy into my Chromebook when I realized that the citations (as composed in my Wikipedia Draft page) were disappearing. Here is the copy (which I put into my Chromebook as a safety measure) of what appears on my Drafts page. Is there a way that you can place this safely wherever it needs to go to get properly submitted?

Hidden draft content

Sarah Boxer

is a writer, cartoonist, and critic born in

Denver

, Colorado. Her critical essays and reviews have appeared in

The Atlantic

,

The New York Review of Books

,

The Comics Journal

,

The New Yorker

,

Slate

,

Artforum

,

Bookforum,

and

The New York Times Book Review

. At the

New York Times

(1989-2006), she was an editor for

The Book Review

and the Week in Review, a photography critic, a theater critic, a critic of arts and culture on the Web, and a culture reporter covering visual culture, philosophy, literature, psychoanalysis, and sex. She is the author and illustrator of four

graphic novels

.

== Education ==

Boxer went to high school at Colorado Academy. At Harvard College she earned an AB degree with honors in philosophy. Her thesis, on Aristotle's theory of time, was advised by Martha Nussbaum. After college, when Boxer moved to New York City to become a journalist, she studied drawing and illustration at Parsons, the Art Students League, and the New York Studio School.

== Career ==

=== Journalism ===

Boxer began her career in journalism as a science writer and editor, first at The Sciences, the magazine of the New York Academy of Sciences, then at Discover magazine. In the late 1980s she was a writer for Sports Illustrated and Sports Illustrated for Kids. In 1989, she became an editor at The New York Times Book Review, where she assigned and edited reviews of books on psychology, science, and nature. She also wrote a few essays for The Book Review, including "The Limp, Silent Type," about the bog man in literature, and "Flogging Freud," about the Freud Wars. In 1997 she became a reporter on the Arts & Ideas page of The New York Times, where she covered the visual arts, philosophy, sex, and psychoanalysis.

At The New York Times, Boxer practiced her own brand of participatory journalism. She took the Mensa test in order to document the experience, for instance, and she once crawled inside the orgone box belonging to the cartoonist William Steig while interviewing him for his obituary. On the 75th anniversary of The New Yorker she penned a piece from the point of view of the magazine's famous pronoun, We.

Boxer was particularly known for making complex ideas comprehensible, such as opticality in Renaissance painting, the nomenclature of military operations, and Freud's Seduction Hypothesis. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001 she focused on the photography and videos of that day and was one of the many reporters who composed short profiles of the victims, the Portraits of Grief. Her work for that year was nominated for a Pulitzer. While at the Times, Boxer also wrote some notable obituaries, including on the philosopher G.E.M. Anscombe, on the director of the Sigmund Freud Archives, Kurt Eissler,and on the cartoonists Saul Steinberg, William Steig,and Charles Schulz.

=== Criticism ===

Boxer's career as a critic began on the editorial board of The Harvard Crimson, where she reviewed the movie The Europeans and "The Exhibit of Perfect" by the conceptual artist James Lee Byars. Her earliest book reviews were for The New York Times Book Review and The Village Voice. Beginning in 1995, she was The New York Times's photography critic for nearly a decade and interviewed Robert Frank, Vito Acconci, and Helen Levitt. From 2000 to 2001 Boxer was also a theater critic at The New York Times. She began contributing to Artforum in 2001. Her pieces included an examination of the visual remains of September 11, a book review of Deirdre Bair's Saul Steinberg biography, an essay on Lewis Carroll's photography, and a consideration of "The Masters of American Comics"show, an all-male revue, from a feminist perspective.

From 2004 to 2006 she served as the New York Times's first and last critic of arts and culture on the Web, bringing readers a digital version of Christo's "Gates," the confessional website PostSecret, a site devoted to onomatopoeia, Bzzzpeek, the topic of politically motivated online vandalism, especially on Wikipedia, the song mashups following Hurricane Katrina, and a new online religion devoted to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. After leaving the Times, Boxer edited the anthology Ultimate Blogs: Masterworks from the Wild Web (Vintage Books, 2008) and started writing critical essays and reviews for The New York Review of Books, The Atlantic, Slate, The Comics Journal, The New Yorker, The Los Angeles Review of Books, The Wall Street Journal, and Bookforum.

=== Essays ===

Boxer's essays often have a personal, quirky edge. At The Atlantic she detailed the experience of reading all of Marcel Proust's "In Search of Lost Time" on her cellphone. Her catalogue essay, "Ripped From the Headlines," which she wrote for "Shock of the News," a National Gallery of Art exhibition about the use of newspapers in art, homed in on the violence and envy often displayed in this art. In a piece for The New Yorker about Georgia O'Keeffe's and Robert Adams's photography of the West Boxer wove in her experiences of trying to capture the West with her Kodak Instamatic as a teenager.

A number of Boxer's writings have been anthologized. Her New York Review of Books piece on the creator of Krazy Kat, George Herriman, "His Inner Cat," appeared in Best American Comics Criticism as "The Cat In the Hat." Her Atlantic essay "Why Are All the Cartoon Mothers Dead," which analyzed why kids' animated films so often kill off the mother figures at the beginning of the movie, was chosen for the textbook Rereading America: Cultural Contexts for Critical Thinking and Writing. Her New York Times piece on the healing powers of New Yorkistan, a humorous New York map drawn by Maira Kalman and Rick Meyerowitz after September 11, was adapted for the book You Are Here: NYC: Mapping the Soul of the City. Her essay "The Exemplary Narcissism of Snoopy" which was called "stunningly good" on Bryan Garner's LawProse blog, was subsequently anthologized in The Peanuts Papers.

=== Comics ===

At age eleven, Boxer published her first drawing in The Englewood Herald in Colorado. Beginning in the 1990s, she drew occasional spot drawings for the Op-Ed page and the Week in Review of The New York Times.

Boxer's first book-length comic, In The Floyd Archives: A Psycho-Bestiary (Pantheon, 2001), which is based on Sigmund Freud's case histories and stars a cast of neurotic animals, was described as "part academe and part whimsy, a wildly clever collection" by The New York Times. In a review titled "Floydian Funnies," The Comics Journal noted that "Boxer belongs to the line of erudite, intellectual cartooning exemplified by Jules Feiffer, David Levine and Edward Gorey."

Mother May I?: A Post-Floydian Folly (IP Books, 2019), Boxer's second psychoanalytic comic, which Alison Bechdel described as "hilarious and terrifying ... so edifying and so absurd," was based on the life and work of Melanie Klein and Donald Winnicott. The Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association said that that Boxer "does nothing short of embodying -- in fact, giving animal bodies to -- a pantheon of iconic psychoanalytic characters and the love-hate relationships they bring to life."

In Boxer's first Shakespearean Tragic-Comic, Hamlet: Prince of Pigs, Hamlet is played by a little piglet, Hamlet's uncle Claudius, the murderer, "the bloat king," is played by a big fat hog, and Hamlet's mother, Gertrude, is played by a pig with lipstick. Boxer followed up with Anchovius Caesar: The Decomposition of a Romaine Salad, a comic in which Caesar is played by an anchovy, Mark Antony is a mock anchovy (a sprat), the Romans are leaves of romaine lettuce, and the Countrymen are crouton men. In an interview in Print, Steve Heller described Boxer's Tragic-Comics as "exposing the great William Shakespeare to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune."

== References ==

Thank you so much for your help! Wabbitty (talk) 18:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done though has some minor formatting issues with the copy paste - I'll take a look. NotAGenious (talk) 18:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Wabbitty and @NotAGenious, sorry, I think we edit conflicted it. I also re-added the refs at the same time! Qcne (talk) 18:43, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah, you're faster than light. I think its OK now. NotAGenious (talk) 18:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

So, how do I submit it properly or can you do it for me? I am super button-shy after losing all my footnotes twice! Wabbitty (talk) 19:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Wabbitty: To resubmit the draft, click the Resubmit button in the big pink template at the top of your draft. Note that the articles written by Boxer do not help with Wikipedia's notability criteria. GoingBatty (talk) 19:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I have added in a lot of non-Boxer authored citations. Should I remove all citations that are Boxer-authored or let an editor decide which ones to remove? Wabbitty (talk) 21:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Wabbitty The only ones worth keeping are those which other reliable sources have commented on. In general, notability is conferred by what others unconnected with Boxer have said about her writing, not by listing what she has written, however extensive that is. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:43, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I took out most of the Boxer-authored references and I hit the re-submit button but I don't think it went through. This is what I submitted. Could you please try to submit it for me?

Hidden draft content

Sarah Boxer

is a writer, cartoonist, and critic born in

Denver

, Colorado. Her critical essays and reviews have appeared in

The Atlantic

,

The New York Review of Books

,

The Comics Journal

,

The New Yorker

,

Slate

,

Artforum

,

Bookforum,

and

The New York Times Book Review

. At the

New York Times

(1989-2006), she was an editor for

The Book Review

and the Week in Review, a photography critic, a theater critic, a critic of arts and culture on the Web, and a culture reporter covering visual culture, philosophy, literature, psychoanalysis, sex, and animals. She is the author and illustrator of four

graphic novels

.

== Education ==

Boxer went to high school at Colorado Academy. At Harvard College she earned an AB degree with honors in philosophy. Her thesis, on Aristotle's theory of time, was advised by Martha Nussbaum. After college, when Boxer moved to New York City to become a journalist, she studied drawing and illustration at Parsons, the Art Students League, and the New York Studio School.

== Career ==

=== Journalism ===

Boxer began her career in journalism as a science writer and editor, first at The Sciences, the magazine of the New York Academy of Sciences, then at Discover magazine. In the late 1980s she was a writer for Sports Illustrated and Sports Illustrated for Kids. In 1989, she became an editor at The New York Times Book Review, where she assigned and edited reviews of books on psychology, science, and nature. In 1997 she became a reporter on the Arts & Ideas page of The New York Times, where she covered the visual arts, philosophy, sex, and psychoanalysis.

At The New York Times, Boxer practiced her own brand of participatory journalism. She took the Mensa test in order to document the experience, for instance, and she once crawled inside the orgone box belonging to the cartoonist William Steig while interviewing him for his obituary. On the 75th anniversary of The New Yorker she penned a piece from the point of view of the magazine's famous pronoun, We.

Boxer was known for making complex ideas comprehensible, such as opticality in Renaissance painting, the nomenclature of military operations, and Freud's Seduction Hypothesis. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001 she focused on the photography and videos of that day and was one of the many reporters who composed short profiles of the victims, the Portraits of Grief. Her work for that year was nominated for a Pulitzer. She also wrote some notable obituaries for The New York Times, including on the philosopher G.E.M. Anscombe, on the director of the Sigmund Freud Archives, Kurt Eissler, and on the cartoonists Saul Steinberg, William Steig, and Charles Schulz.

=== Criticism ===

Boxer's career as a critic began on the editorial board of The Harvard Crimson, where she reviewed the movie The Europeans and "The Exhibit of Perfect" by the conceptual artist James Lee Byars. Her earliest book reviews were for The New York Times Book Review and The Village Voice. Beginning in 1995, she was The New York Times's photography critic for nearly a decade and interviewed Robert Frank, Vito Acconci, and Helen Levitt. From 2000 to 2001 Boxer was also a theater critic at The New York Times.

She began contributing to Artforum in 2001. Her pieces included an examination of the visual remains of September 11, a book review of Deirdre Bair's Saul Steinberg biography, and a consideration of "The Masters of American Comics" show, an all-male exhibition, from a feminist perspective. An essay she wrote on an essay on Lewis Carroll's photography for Artforum, including his pictures of Alice Liddell, the model and muse for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, led Boxer to an examination of the curious, otherworldly nature of Alices through modern history, including Alice B. Toklas, Alice James, Alice Roosevelt Longworth, Alice Neel, and Alice Coltrane, which she lectured about at the Lewis Carroll Society of North America.

From 2004 to 2006 Boxer served as the New York Times's first and last critic of arts and culture on the Web, bringing readers a digital version of Christo's "Gates," the confessional website known as PostSecret, an audio site devoted to onomatopoeia, Bzzzpeek, the topic of politically motivated online vandalism, especially on Wikipedia; and a new online religion devoted to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. In a critic's notebook headlined "Art of the Internet: A Protest Song, Reloaded," about the musical mashups following Hurricane Katrina, Boxer explored how the meaning of Green Day's "Wake Me Up When September Ends," was forever altered. After leaving the Times, Boxer edited the anthology Ultimate Blogs: Masterworks from the Wild Web (Vintage Books, 2008) and started writing critical essays and reviews for The New York Review of Books, The Atlantic, Slate, The Comics Journal, The New Yorker, The Los Angeles Review of Books, The Wall Street Journal, and Bookforum.

=== Essays ===

Boxer's essays tend to have a quirky edge. At The Atlantic she detailed the experience of reading all of Marcel Proust's "In Search of Lost Time" on her cellphone.Her catalogue essay, "Ripped From the Headlines," which she wrote for "Shock of the News," a National Gallery of Art exhibition about the use of newspapers in art, homed in on the violence and envy often displayed in this art. In "Flogging Freud," an essay she wrote for The New York Times Book Review about the Freud Wars, she analyzed the many contradictory ways that "Freud has proved to be a great whipping boy for our time."

A number of Boxer's writings have been anthologized. Her New York Review of Books piece on the creator of Krazy Kat, George Herriman, "His Inner Cat," appeared in Best American Comics Criticism as "The Cat In the Hat." Her Atlantic essay "Why Are All the Cartoon Mothers Dead," which analyzed why kids' animated films so often kill off the mother figures at the beginning of the movie, was chosen for the textbook Rereading America: Cultural Contexts for Critical Thinking and Writing. Her New York Times piece on the healing powers of New Yorkistan, a humorous New York map drawn by Maira Kalman and Rick Meyerowitz after September 11, was adapted for the book You Are Here: NYC: Mapping the Soul of the City. Her essay "The Exemplary Narcissism of Snoopy,"which was called "stunningly good" and held up as prose to emulate on Bryan Garner's LawProse blog, was subsequently anthologized in The Peanuts Papers.

=== Comics ===

At age eleven, Boxer published her first drawing in The Englewood Herald in Colorado. Beginning in the 1990s, she drew occasional spot drawings for the Op-Ed page and the Week in Review of The New York Times.

Boxer's first graphic novel, In The Floyd Archives: A Psycho-Bestiary (Pantheon, 2001) , which The New York Times Book Review described as "a smart, droll, original series of interconnected cartoons" based on Sigmund Freud's case histories (the Rat Man, the Wolf Man, Little Hans, and Dora), stars a cast of neurotic animals in therapy. The playwright Jenny Lyn Bader called the comic "part academe and part whimsy, a wildly clever collection" In a review titled "Floydian Funnies," The Comics Journal noted that "Boxer belongs to the line of erudite, intellectual cartooning exemplified by Jules Feiffer, David Levine and Edward Gorey."

Mother May I?: A Post-Floydian Folly (IP Books, 2019), Boxer's second psychoanalytic comic, which Alison Bechdel described as "hilarious and terrifying ... so edifying and so absurd," was based on the life and work of Melanie Klein and Donald Winnicott. The Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association said that Boxer "does nothing short of embodying -- in fact, giving animal bodies to -- a pantheon of iconic psychoanalytic characters and the love-hate relationships they bring to life." Tablet magazine noted of Boxer's Mother May I? and In the Floyd Archives, "Her psychoanalytic comix are ingeniously playful reminders of how much we carry around, no matter how far we think we’ve moved on from the Freudian fantasyland."

In 2019 Boxer drew her first Shakespearean Tragic-Comic, Hamlet: Prince of Pigs. In this work, Hamlet is played by a little piglet, Hamlet's uncle Claudius, the murderer, "the bloat king," is played by a big fat hog, and Hamlet's mother, Gertrude, is played by a pig with lipstick. Boxer followed up with Anchovius Caesar: The Decomposition of a Romaine Salad, a comic in which Caesar is played by an anchovy, Mark Antony is a mock anchovy (a sprat), the Romans are leaves of romaine lettuce, and the Countrymen are crouton men. In an online interview for Print, Steve Heller described Boxer's Tragic-Comics as "exposing the great William Shakespeare to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune."

== References ==

Wabbitty (talk) 22:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

When I hit the re-submit button I see a floating white box that says: Template

Generated from: AFC submission

There's an option to Edit this, but I'm afraid to do that... Wabbitty (talk) 23:06, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I am trying to submit the new draft but the Re-Submit button does not work for me. Could you please advise? Wabbitty (talk) 19:28, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi and thank you! I have a draft that is ready to re-submit. But when I push the Re-submit button it does not work. Could you please tell me what I should do? Wabbitty (talk) 19:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

I submitted the draft Draft:Sarah Boxer on your behalf at 7.29am this morning PLEASE stop copying your draft to The Teahouse it is not required and is becoming disruptive. Theroadislong (talk) 19:46, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia pools

Why are wikipedia "pools" there, just for fun? are any of them even "serious"? 88.110.38.249 (talk) 07:23, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Pools

Could you elaborate on your question a bit? I’m not sure I understand. Professor Penguino (talk) 07:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Per that page, they are places in which people make guesses about various future milestones for Wikipedia. That's it. It's neither fun nor serious. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

I know, but I don't see any reasom for them to be there. 88.110.38.249 (talk) 10:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

I mean, it’s pretty self-explanatory. They are there so people can make predictions and have fun. Professor Penguino (talk) 10:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

But other than that... it is useless. 88.110.38.249 (talk) 08:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Page names starting with "Wikipedia:" are called the project namespace. They are not part of the encyclopedia and the content does not always have to be serious but should still be Wikipedia-related. See Category:Wikipedia humor for some examples. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:22, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

This was a lot more fun back in the time when Wikipedia experienced exponential growth. Nowadays the pools are there mostly for historical interest. —Kusma (talk) 10:34, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Calling for help!!!

I want to ask if I can transfer my Google drive files to Microsoft word without losing the diagrams and the format? 155.137.153.250 (talk) 05:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. You could try asking at the WP:Reference desk if you like. GoingBatty (talk) 05:28, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

since you're here, might as well answer it: if you're referring to files in Google Docs, try File > Download > Microsoft Word (.docx). please direct any further non-Wikipedia questions to the Reference desk as stated above, or ask it on your favorite search engine. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 11:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Chess endgame Helppppppp

How to win a chess endgame with rook versus two protected pass pawns? Do I sacrifice my rook for a draw? 155.137.153.250 (talk) 05:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you should. Don't play for a win against two protected passed pawns. Also, don't ask any more non-Wikipedia related questions here. Pecopteris (talk) 05:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Non-Wikipedia related questions can be asked at Wikipedia:Reference desk. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

deleted page

Sir I don't understand why my article was deleted and now what is the solution Riyadahamedsarker (talk) 13:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Riyadahamedsarker, your draft was deleted because it appears that you've only added promotional content, which isn't allowed. Please see WP:SOAPBOX. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 13:28, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Oldest Sockpuppet

Just here out of curiosity. I’d like to know the oldest sock you know about, and the most infamous. There’s been a lot more useless stuff asked here, so I hope my question won’t bother anyone. Have a great day ! Reman Empire (talk) 11:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

The oldest and most infamous sock I know about is Willy on wheels (Willy on wheels is the username of the sockmaster), he created many sockpuppets infamous for page move vandalism making article titles end with "on wheels".

An example is:

Jimbo Wales on wheels.

88.110.38.249 (talk) 12:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Um. Did you just seriously. Man I’m not gonna open an investigation anyways. but that’s. interesting. Reman Empire (talk) 13:34, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Reman Empire: We don't want to glorify old vandals so Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Willy on Wheels was deleted several times. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Cannot edit article - rate limiting error message

I created an account on Wikipedia a few days ago, because I wanted to add the design of the Tricolor Polyamory pride flag the the Polyamory article. However, I always get the rate-limiting error (i.e. that I was trying to edit the article too often in too short time). However, the last time I tried was over 24 hours ago. What could be causing the issue?

I did only reference an already uploaded, public domain image and I quoted sources (with access date) for all information I added.

Full error message:

As an anti-abuse measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes. If you are attempting to run a bot or semi-automated script, please read and understand our bot policy, then request approval. Users who run unauthorized bot scripts may lose their editing privileges. Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable through citations to reliable sources. Dracnox (talk) 10:46, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Polyamory shows no recent edits by anyone, and User:Dracnox shows no edits other than this Teahouse query. David notMD (talk) 11:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I assume that is because my edit was blocked by the error message mentioned above. Dracnox (talk) 11:22, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Polyamory in the English Wikipedia already contains an impage of a tricolor flag with the Greek letter Pi, and the image description shows a version with the infinity symbol as an alternative. Are you attempting to edit in another language? David notMD (talk) 11:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD:, they're probably referring to the other polyamory flag:

• 
  1995 poly flag, Jim Evans, currently in page
• 
  2022 poly flag (tricolor), Red Howell, what Dracnox is referring to

happy editing to both of you! 💜  melecie  talk - 11:54, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, melecie, you are right, I'm referring to the 2022 pride poly flag. Dracnox (talk) 14:28, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dracnox: The message is MediaWiki:Actionthrottledtext. It sounds like others on the same IP address were making too many edits at the time and triggering mw:Manual:$wgRateLimits. Unrelated people can be on the same IP address. If you don't get the message on this Teahouse page now then I don't think you will get it elsewhere. Try again. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I tried again, still with the same result. Also, my ISP is providing me with a static IP address, and nobody else in the same network edits Wikipedia. This makes me suspect that my IP might be on some kind of denylist. Is this something I maybe should approach the helpdesk with instead? Dracnox (talk) 14:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't know why it's happening on an article and not here unless it's just random timing about when others are editing. It may go away when your account becomes autoconfirmed after four days and ten edits. The edits can be anywhere at en.wikipedia.org, e.g. here (four edits so far) or your user page User:Dracnox. Can you try to wait for that? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Short description on tv series

May I ask if an upcoming tv series in a tv series article announced a release date should you put the year like 2023 tv series or should you still put upcoming tv series until the series gets released and then change it to 2023? 120.28.185.206 (talk) 13:12, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Category:Upcoming television series and a subcategory of Category:2023 television series debuts would both be appropriate for the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:01, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Quiting the body.

Can you please explain to me how one,can advance in mystic Yoga,and quit the body without feeling pain.Aswell as choose the time and place.How is confidential knowledge so readily available...I dare you. 41.116.121.77 (talk) 15:28, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. This is a help desk for asking questions about using and editing Wikipedia.

Please consult your search engine of choice for questions about alternative medicine. Qcne (talk) 16:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Filtering for flagged articles

Hello, I'm not an editor, but I would like to be able to see a view-only list of articles currently flagged for grammar, organization, misleading, etc. I'm doing research for a library class. Thanks, Eric Lib-veritas (talk) 23:57, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lib-veritas: Template:Category tracker#Cleanup has a list of categories that may be useful to you, such as Category:All articles needing rewrite or Category:All pages needing factual verification. Tollens (talk) 00:04, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Fantastic! Super helpful, and just what I was looking for. Thanks so much! Lib-veritas (talk) 00:36, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lib-veritas There is a very comprehensive listing of articles that have been marked for some sort of cleanup which you can reach and download at this URL. That would allow you to focus on articles by topic area. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Lib-veritas (talk) 20:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Article history/creator

Greetings, I'm kind of confused a bit as I created the article 11:11 (Chris Brown album) at WP:Draft and now when I look up the page information it says the page was created by Do eT like that but here on my list of articles I created the page is also listed. Any clarification? ihateneo (talk) 19:21, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ihateneo: The draft was moved overtop of a previously existing redirect page in such a way that the edit history of the old page was preserved - the earliest entry in the page's history is the creation of the page that eventually became the redirect. You did create the current version of the page, but the way the page's name and history have been overwritten makes it appear like you edited the existing redirect directly rather than create a whole new page. Tollens (talk) 19:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Tollens, so if I was asked to list articles I created, I can list it?

This is really confusing now, I wonder how many articles I created that were kind of merged with redirects cause wow I'm working towards a goal here. ihateneo (talk) 14:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

You can absolutely include it in a list of articles you created. The tool you linked to above should always notice if a page you create gets moved on top of another page and still count it. Tollens (talk) 20:25, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing blockquote citation

I wanted to edit Bendicks' Reference 3, changing the order of the author's names and adding an archived URL using VisualEditor but that seems to be impossible. I'm not sure how to do either with Source Editor. Mcljlm (talk) 19:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mcljlm. Template:Blockquote is not set up to use references added on with reftags. Instead the source information goes into author, title, source fields. That's why the visual editor sees the wikicode for the reference when you click on the quote and say Edit. It is easiest to just put the source at the end of "the Prime Minister, stated:". It doesn't work well to put it after the quote template since it will end up in a new paragraph. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:09, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

The article StarryGrandma includes two blockquotes from the same cited source whose reference number only appears at the end of the second. How can I add the reference number after "Huber, explained:" and "the Prime Minister, stated:", remove it from after the second blockquote, edit the source's author's name and add the archived URL? Mcljlm (talk) 22:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

The software creates the reference number. We edit the references themselves. See Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/1 for how to write references and use the same reference in different places. Use the same reference for both quotes, the colon. I would recommend leaving both quotes out and just summarize what they say. That kind of quote is common in a news article but isn't recommended for an encyclopedia article. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks StarryGrandma. I deleted the blockquotes with Source Editor and then used VE to enter the original citation and another I added. I felt what the MP said wasn't really relevant so I omitted it altogether but if anyone checks the citations both articles mention him. Mcljlm (talk) 02:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

References

improving a declined draft article

I wrote this draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Georgia-Pacific_Corp._v._United_States_Plywood_Corp. quite some time ago, but it took a while for someone to review it, and then it was declined. I feel , that the topic is notable, because as my draft says "According to Google Scholar on 2023-04-13, this decisions has been cited 2212 times, making it the highest cited decision of US Federal courts in 1971". I also cite 13 secondary sources, but the reviewer wrote: "This article relies excessively on references to primary sources. Please improve this article by adding secondary or tertiary sources." Can someone else review the draft and provide a secondary opinion? The topic relates to the amount of royalty in patent infrigement lawsuits in the USA. Walter Tau (talk) 00:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Looking through your sources, one thing I saw was that you cited a search page, which is unfavourable. ✶Mitch199811✶ 02:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Before you resubmit, you are expected to have read and taken notes on WP:YFA, WP:NPOV, WP:REF, WP:V, WP:NOTABILITY, WP:SIGCOV, and WP:MOS. Buckrune (talk) 02:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Fozzy Whittaker

Hi,

I'm trying to fix the hyperlink for the 2015-16 NFL NFC Conference Championship on his page - it takes me somewhere in the Packers vs Cardinals entry, which is incorrect. Could you help me figure out what is needed to correct this?

Thank you! ParXivalRPT (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello ParXivalRPT— you can edit the Fozzy Whittaker article and find the link you want to update. You will see that it will look something like [[2015–16_NFL_playoffs#_NFC:_Carolina_Panthers,Arizona_Cardinals|NFC Championship]]. If you want to point the link to a different section, you can update the text after the # symbol with the name of the section you want. For example, you could update the link to [[2015–16_NFL_playoffs#NFC:_Carolina_Panthers_49,_Arizona_Cardinals_15|NFC Championship]]. For more information about how this works, you can read this help topic. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

hello

i ask something 211.188.30.128 (talk) 05:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Go ahead! Tollens (talk) 05:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

IN or ON

Is there a concise explanation of "in" or "on" when it comes to grammar between British and American English? The explanations I used to use are no longer available to me and i tried the internet explanations. Thank you.2603:8000:D300:3650:4416:2712:8134:A62B (talk) 21:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Is it a Wikipedia article that you used to use but is no longer available? The closest I can find is this, but possibly you are referring to a resource outside of Wikipedia? Podstawko (talk) 06:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Does Comparison of American and British English help? I fear that a concise explanation of "in" or "on" when it comes to grammar between British and American English is something that does not and cannot exist. While I'm sure there are places where BrE and AmE differ in their use of these two prepositions, I doubt that there is a systematic difference, as opposed to a list of phrases and constructions where they differ. ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Something I used to see a lot on Quora before they ruined it, were Indians using "on" and "in" incorrectly, usually in relation to films and TV shows.

Someone can work "in film/TV" or "on film/TV" and either of them are acceptable, as they would work "in (the) film/TV (industry)" or "on film/TV (shows)."

Indians however would say things like "I watched this actor in TV", when what they actually should have said is "I watched this actor on TV." Danstarr69 (talk) 07:20, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Word Definition Question

What is exclusively? 202.80.218.115 (talk) 06:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

It means the same thing as 'only'. For future definition questions, please use Wiktionary or a search engine, as this page is only (or exclusively!) for questions about editing or using Wikipedia. Tollens (talk) 06:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

It's a word which Americans who work at companies like Amazon don't understand, as shown by their Amazon Prime Exclusive Series', which are still available on the original non-American channels/networks who actually own, produced and/or broadcast them first.

The same goes for American companies like Netflix and HBO who claim that non-American shows are Originals, even though again, they're still available on the original non-American channels/networks who actually own, produced and/or broadcast them first. Danstarr69 (talk) 08:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Danstarr69 In my opinion your reply here (and in earlier query about celebrity) went beyond what was asked by providing detailed, off-topic content. And to 202.80.218.115, you are on the verge of being blocked for vandalism for changing correctly spelled words - including 'exclusively' - to incorrect spelling. David notMD (talk) 08:24, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikitrivia

So this question popped up in my head recently. I know there's a list of notable people who've edited Wikipedia, but...

...how many Wikipedians are celebrities and are active today, other than Jason Moore?

A few notes:

• I define celebrity as a person who has a Wikipedia article and has been in the news at least once.
• I'm really not sure if there's a list of celebrity Wikipedians.
• If an editor did something a few days ago, I'll count it as active.

Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 04:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Improving the articles here would be a far better use of one's time. 2A00:23C8:1D03:9B01:DFE:46D8:3AC1:A180 (talk) 04:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Tarantula^TM many Wikipedia editors have a user name that does not reveal their actual name, so there is no way to know how many celebrities may be editing articles on a regular basis. Karenthewriter (talk) 07:28, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

TrademarkedTarantula I know of two musical brothers or half-brothers who grew up less than a mile West of me.

They were part of a group with their late brother, then when that brother died, they became solo artists, yet one of them kept using the groups name, a bit like UB40.

I noticed sometime in the last few years, they were having an edit war on here on the article about the group.

I emailed one of them to find out what their actual full names are, as sometimes they're credited with 3 names, and sometimes they're credited with 2 names, so I have no idea which of the 2 last names or whether both of the 2 last names belong to them all.

They're also constantly credited with misspelt names, abbreviated names, misspelt abbreviated names, along with their stage names, just to add to the confusion. Danstarr69 (talk) 07:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Your definition of celebrity is too broad; the term is derived from 'celebrate' and many people with Wikipedia articles are not celebrated. You may be interested to read Wikipedia:Notable people who have edited Wikipedia Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

What is 4x4?

4x4 is a drivetrain for vehicles 27.111.75.214 (talk) 05:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Looks like you've answered your own question - do you need help with something? Tollens (talk) 05:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

4X4 is another name for the Bassline (music genre), along with Niche, although Niche is actually just the name of the nightclub where it started. Danstarr69 (talk) 07:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

There are really many things which are four by four! Podstawko (talk) 08:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Donation

I Have Donated to Wikipedia! Are you going to ask for a donation every time I use the service, now? Storyboat (talk) 00:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. With your account, you can turn off the donation requests in your account preferences. 331dot (talk) 00:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Storyboat, and welcome to the Teahouse. Donations are made to, and handled by, the Wikimedia Foundation, which is the proprietor of Wikipedia. But nobody in Wikipedia and (as far as I know) nothing in the Wikipedia software or database has any knowledge of donors or any way of linking donation to any account. As 331dot says, you can turn off the requests. ColinFine (talk) 09:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Question about publishing EN translation

Hello there to everyone. I would like to publish an EN translation of an already existing Greek and Gender article. I know that I am not qualified for publishing the translation. I have created my draft page and I would like to know if a qualified admin can publish the translation for my team.

The arcticle is In Greek is here: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A7%CF%81%CF%85%CF%83%CF%8C%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82_%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B6%CE%B1%CE%B2%CE%AF%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82

And the German translation is here:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysostomos_Mantzavinos

Thank you in advance. Chryssa Chryssa.Stavridou (talk) 09:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Chryssa, and welcome to the Teahouse. The guide to doing this is at Translation.

While you are welcome to take a Greek or German article as your starting point, any transated article you make must meet English Wikipedia's criteria for notability and neutrality, which the originals won't necessarily do. Your draft will be reviewed on its own terms, with no reference to the original that you translated.

At present, User:Chryssa.Stavridou/Chrysostomos Mantzavinos has no chance of being accepted into English Wikipedia, because it has no inline references at all, and therefore does nothing to establish that Mantzavinos meets English Wikipedia's criteriaa for notability.

Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Please read WP:REFB for how to cite references. ColinFine (talk) 10:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Adam Broomberg

Hi there, I may seem uninformed but how can I lift my article out into the open for people to review, add, interact with it? I hope this can be brought online ! Thank you all ! MarvDjEng (talk) 13:45, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

MarkDjEng, I have moved the article to Draft:Adam Broomberg, and now you can submit the draft for review. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:54, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help! MarvDjEng (talk) 13:56, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I've done some copy-editing. I suggest you replace your home-made infobox by a regular one. Maproom (talk) 22:51, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

It is amazing now, thank you so much! MarvDjEng (talk) 12:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

MarvDjEng, Broomberg is best known for his work with Chanarin. Material about this work is best treated in the existing (though currently feeble) article about the pair. After all, little seems to be said about which of them contributed what to it. Material about Broomberg's other work is what should constitute the bulk of an article about him alone. 2A00:23C8:1D03:9B01:DFE:46D8:3AC1:A180 (talk) 05:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Yup you are right and finding sources is difficult. Though I think through his political activism that was visible in the German newspaper and considering we know even less about Chanrin maybe we should fold it the other way round... Thank you for your insight! MarvDjEng (talk) 12:42, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

What should I do not to be accused when creating new articles?

I have created 2 pages so far! Which I think they fulfill the WP:GNG for an inclusion to encyclopedia. And also I have many projects in mind to include to the encyclopedia. But, the problem is I was accused 2 times by Admin as I could may have COI in my articles! And it is really irritating to be accused of what you do not have done for real! In articles I created I maintained to be neutral and mentioned all the negatives and posetives equally ... But, I get accused of it! So it is frustrating me if it is continuing like that if I am about to stay here! I really want to know what to do to be trusted? ... I got Wikipedia really interesting place to stay! And I really do not want to give up soon! If any tips on how to be trusted editor ... you welcome! Thabk you Worldviewfrom (talk) 11:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Worldviewfrom I looked at one of the articles affected by the possible issue. It was not acceptable in its current form, and the editor was correct in sending it to Draft, where you may work on it unhindered. My error. I looked at the wrong one. I will look at the right one next.

Another editor asked you a direct question about COI and you gave a direct answer. All editors can expect to have questions like this asked. Simple answers are all that is required.

Instead of being concerned, build up a track record by use of WP:AFC, availing yourself of the review process. Please return to this thread with any additional questions. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Worldviewfrom I looked at Leocenis Garcia, and can see why an editor might have wondered about COI. If you look at this rather large diff from your last edit to the current version, you will see large additions and subtractions. The need for these often raises the question "Does this editor have a COI?" though only the editor who asked can say with precision why they asked.

Editing Wikipedia requires the hide of a rhinoceros. It takes time to acquire that. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:23, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks you for your kind review of my articles and your response! Worldviewfrom (talk) 12:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Any time a relatively new editor creates drafts or moves drafts to articles without AfC processing, it is almost standard to ask if the editor has a COI or is undeclared paid. A simple statement on your Talk page that no COI/PAID exists is sufficient. Which it appears you have already done so. David notMD (talk) 12:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Ohh Okay, Great! Thanks you! Worldviewfrom (talk) 12:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

2nd article in sandbox

I have an article pending publication in my sandbox. I would like to start a new article in the sandbox. What should I do? Accelerator-physicist (talk) 19:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

You can start the new one in the Wikipedia:Article wizard instead, and save the draft without publishing. Then publish when you're ready. Note that anyone can edit your draft before you publish. Podstawko (talk) 19:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

To avoid some possible confusion the Publish button is the Save button. I think Podstawko is referring to submitting the draft for review. RudolfRed (talk) 21:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Accelerator-physicist You have left a WP:REDIRECT in your sandbox (User:Accelerator-physicist/sandbox) to the draft at Draft:Aharon Mordechai Freiman. You could remove the redirect and start adding new content there, too, if you wish.

You are not confined to one sandbox. So you could create User:Accelerator-physicist/sandbox2, User:Accelerator-physicist/sandbox3 and so on, if you wished. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Nick, much appreciated. I created a 2nd sandbox, I have yet to understand the WP:REDIRECT mechanism. I did not apply it, it just appeared there. I am a noob in WP, learning as I go along. Accelerator-physicist (talk) 14:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Deleted Submission and will re create it

Hi Editors,

I am also new here. Can you help me check if my draft will be about to approve if i submit it for approval. Any suggestion and help will be much appreciated. Iamjep1987 (talk) 14:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

The article has been rejected and will not be considered further, so I suggest you stop wasting time on it. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. NotAGenious (talk) 14:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy to Teahouse Hosts: Draft currently at User:Iamjep1987/sandbox. An earlier draft about Tomi Arayomi was deleted for G11 reasons. David notMD (talk) 14:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Public domain image for article.

Praise be to Jesus and Mary! I am having difficulty finding a public domain image for my draft: Draft:Gordon J. MacRae I am wondering if his mug-shot would be a public image I could use on wiki. Thank you and May God bless you. ServantofGod2 (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Please see WP:MUGSHOT for guidance in this area. 331dot (talk) 15:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ServantofGod2, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you don't worry about pictures until you have sorted out much more important matters, such as the fact that most of your sources are Primary sources, and your citations are not properly formatted (see WP:REFB). ColinFine (talk) 15:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

In addition to what @331dot and @ColinFine said, the draft is suffering from Wikipedia:Too much detail. Podstawko (talk) 15:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Category:Draft articles

Half the categories are named "Draft articles on" and the other half is named "Drafts about X". Is there a reason for this inconsistency? And what is the difference between Drafts about music and Draft articles on music even supposed to be? It feels like a complete mess to navigate--Trade (talk) 15:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia has been created by thousands of random editors over many years and is full of inconsistencies. As long as the meaning is clear, I don't think it much matters, but you are welcome to attempt to clean it up. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Request for Wikipedia Article on Eberbach Corporation

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I am writing to request the creation of a Wikipedia article for the Eberbach Corporation, a company with a significant history and contribution to the scientific community. Eberbach Corporation's legacy spans over 175 years, making it an institution of note within the field of scientific equipment manufacturing.

Historical Background: The Eberbach Corporation's journey in the realm of science began in 1843 when Christian Eberbach opened a pharmacy and initiated a laboratory supply business to cater to the needs of local hospitals and universities. Over time, the company evolved, and 36 years later, it embarked on the manufacturing of laboratory equipment, marking the commencement of a rich history in producing sample and material preparation equipment for scientific endeavors. Eberbach's commitment to scientific excellence led to its pioneering membership in the Laboratory Products Association in 1918, showcasing its dedication to advancing laboratory technology.

Present-Day Eberbach Corporation: Today, the Eberbach Corporation is an established engineering and manufacturing company headquartered in Belleville, Michigan. Eberbach Corporation specializes in the design, construction, and distribution of equipment essential for sample preparation. Their product range includes an array of critical laboratory equipment such as Shakers, Mixers, Blenders, Stirrers, and more. These products play a vital role in a diverse spectrum of research and commercial applications, spanning fields like biochemistry, petrochemistry, environmental science, food technology, beverages, and pharmaceuticals.

ISO Certification: Eberbach Corporation proudly holds ISO certification, a testament to their commitment to maintaining the highest standards in engineering and manufacturing.

Given the extensive history, contributions, and continued relevance of the Eberbach Corporation to the scientific community, I believe that the company merits a dedicated Wikipedia article. The company's legacy and impact on laboratory technology, both historically and in the contemporary context, make it a suitable subject for inclusion in the encyclopedia.

I am prepared to provide further information and references to support the notability of the Eberbach Corporation and assist in the creation of the proposed Wikipedia article. I kindly request the Wikipedia community's consideration of this request and look forward to your guidance on the next steps in this process.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Sincerely,

Keaton Feil 2600:1700:8461:8F10:3572:AACD:6DBA:CC2D (talk) 13:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is entirely a volunteer project, and the only way to get people to help with an article is to find somebody interested in the subject, or inspire somebody to be interested in the subject. There is a place to request articles (requested articles, but in all honesty, the take-up there is extremely low.

Generally, if you want there to be an article on a subject, your best chance is to create it yourself; but that is also a difficult task for inexperienced editors. So my general advice would be to create an account (not essential but it makes communication easier), put Eberbach to one side for a few weeks or months while you acquire experience in editing Wikipedia and learn how it works; and then at some point read your first article, and have a go.

One thing to note is that absolutely nothing the company has done, been, or created is relevant unless it has been written about by wholly independent commentators (and published in reliable sources, unconnected with the company). Notable has a special meaning in Wikipedialand, a little different from its usual meaning, and articles are accepted only on subjects which are notable in that sense.

Your task, if you decide to write an article about Eberbach, is in the first instance to ignore absolutely everything written, published, or commissioned by Eberbach or its associates (including anything based on press releases or interviews), and collect independent sources about it. If you can find enough such sources with enough content to base a non-trivial article on, then it may be worth creating a draft (see AFC) and writing it based entirely on what those independent sources say. ColinFine (talk) 13:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Keaton. All Wikipedia articles must be based on sources which meet these golden rules and together show that the topic is notable in the specific way Wikipedia defines this. If you can (here, in this thread) provide about three independent such sources, someone may take up the challenge of writing a draft. A brief Google search doesn't give me much to work on but you may be aware of some good sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

... and note that a previous attempt at an article was deleted in 2011. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

... though that attempt consisted of only three sentences and was sourced only to the company's Web site. Deor (talk) 15:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Here's something on Christian Eberbach[9], but not the company. This looks promising:[10] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

It may be useful for you to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. If a Wikipedia article on Eberbach Corporation is published the article won’t belong to the business, and anyone who can find a good reference can edit the article. If there have ever been events Eberback would prefer not to have mentioned (lawsuits, poor publicity, etc.) that may end up being added.

Also Wikipedia articles do not use promotional language; articles should keep a neutral tone. Instead of saying “it embarked on the manufacturing” write “ it began manufacturing equipment.” Instead of “These products play a vital role in a diverse spectrum of research” eliminate the promotional words and state “it does research on XYZ.” Do not write “Their product range includes an array of critical laboratory equipment,” instead edit it down to “they make lab equipment.”

Wikipedia is made up of volunteers, so be cautious if anyone contacts you offering to write an article for a fee. You can pay to have a draft article written, but that won’t guarantee the article will meet Wikipedia standards and be accepted. I hope these suggestions are of help to you. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Deleted images

Hi, is there a way to see an image that has been deleted from Wikipedia for being an "unused unfree copyrighted image", or it is forever gone? ButterCashier (talk) 17:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@ButterCashier: Only admins and researchers are able to view deleted pages, including files. Jimbo's global group can view deleted files and File talk: pages, but not deleted non-files. – dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 17:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

why are people on my messages saying my edits werent constructive???

i dont understand i just wanna edit and have fun

YouAreGoingToSweden (talk) 17:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@YouAreGoingToSweden - Your edits were not adding quality information to the articles. I would never expect to see comments from a user about their favorite notebook in the Encyclopedia Britannica. Please save those for social media. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

okay evergreendummy!

>:) YouAreGoingToSweden (talk) 17:53, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

also what is a encolypedia YouAreGoingToSweden (talk) 17:53, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

OP blocked. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 18:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Drafts that may meet WP:NBASIC

I have some drafts that have been circulating in my watchlist for a bit. I'd like further opinions on these. If they don't meet WP:NACTOR, could WP:NBASIC still apply?

• Draft:Caroline Amiguet
• Draft:Lizet Benrey
• Draft:Shaw Jones
• Draft:Suzana Norberg

Filmforme (talk) 20:25, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Filmforme: If I understand your question correctly, there is no requirement to use a subject specific notability guide. If the subject meets WP:NBASIC or WP:GNG then that works fine. RudolfRed (talk) 21:01, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfRed Correct. I am asking if any of these drafts are ready for article space, however they may meet WP:GNG, or if they should continue to incubate. They’ve all been declined from WP:AFC, but I have had doubts about that process for some topics and the queue line has been sluggish. Filmforme (talk) 21:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Filmforme: None of the linked drafts are submitted for review. If you think the reviewer's comments have been addressed, you may resubmit them for review. RudolfRed (talk) 21:55, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfRed Some of the reviewers have been very detailed with their responses and others not at all. Either way, it seems like WP:NBASIC is overlooked too often at WP:AFC. Even when using WP:THREE, I find that articles get declined more than they should. I’m able to move drafts to article space, but I’d like to have other opinions on each one for better judgement. I’d rather not clutter the AfC queue line with drafts that have been previously declined, unless I get further pushback for certain drafts. Filmforme (talk) 22:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Filmforme: I don't quite understand your objective in raising this here. Two of these drafts were declined months ago. You've since done further work on them, but haven't resubmitted; instead you're here asking for "other opinions". You would get that from a reviewer if you resubmitted. Or are you saying you specifically want an opinion from someone who isn't an AfC reviewer? If so, why?

The other two have been declined quite recently, and you've done no work on them since, yet are asking for "other opinions" – meaning, for someone to check whether the review was done correctly?

If you have concerns or complaints about the AfC system in general, you may want to raise them at that project's talk page. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing Don't get me wrong, I think AfC is great. I almost always start with that. But it just seems like WP:NBASIC isn't considered enough. I should bring it up over there. It's a long queue and I prefer not to resubmit if I already have. Sometimes I'll get the same reviewer on the same page, not allowing another user to review. Or one that is not specific enough. I'm not looking to target non-reviewers, just anyone here, reviewers or not, who want to give it a quick glance. At least until the queue wait time can get back weeks instead of months. If that is not allowed here, I apologize, I did not know. I'm happy to move articles to mainspace myself, but I prefer to have more opinions if I am unsure, especially when AfC has given me doubts about certain ones that have been declined. Filmforme (talk) 07:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Filmforme: I can quite confidently say that I for one always consider GNG/BASIC, because that, after all, applies in the vast majority of cases. If I'm guilty of something, it's probably the opposite, rather: I might on occasion only consider GNG, and overlook the possibility that one of the special notability criteria could apply instead. In saying this, I can only speak for myself, of course, but I have a feeling the same may be true of many other reviewers, too.

I'd also suggest that drafts are very seldom declined on GNG basis incorrectly, ie. where the sources would genuinely establish notability but the reviewer doesn't see this. Of course, that doesn't stop the author claiming incorrect declining: quite often the author's and reviewer's interpretations differ markedly on whether a particular source meets the standard.

It's worth bearing in mind also that, important as notability is, it isn't the only reason why a draft may be declined. Therefore it sometimes happens that notability (GNG or otherwise) is there, but the draft fails on another hurdle, say copyvio or inadequately referenced BLP. This could lead the author to question why their draft has been declined although notability has been demonstrated.

But having said all of that, there are a couple of thousand users with the AfC review permission (either explicitly or implicitly), and try as we might, we will never be able to guarantee a perfectly correct and consistent service 100% of the time. Some reviewers are new, some more experienced. Some have a higher acceptance threshold, some are more 'generous'. Some probably do the job simply better than others. And, let's face it, even the best reviewers do get things wrong, every now and then. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing Thanks, you’ve reviewed a few drafts for films I’ve submitted in the past. Do you review WP:BLP too? Though I’ve gotten better at knowing what’s accepted, these can be hit or miss with me. Filmforme (talk) 18:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

What are these activities I can do?

Hey, I’m a new editor on Wikipedia. I wanted to contribute to community. What should I do now? MidChigaco062 (talk) 18:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I've left you some standard info links on your talk page. Those should help you get started. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

How do you create a Wikipedia?

I’m not sure how to create one but I’m very keen my mind is bursting with new facts after doing a research project. The.OR.fan (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Please see our help page for making your first article. This page will simply explain our core content policies. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 17:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

One does not "create a Wikipedia", one creates a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is the name of this entire website, not its individual parts, which are called articles.

Wikipedia does not host original research. 331dot (talk) 17:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

If you mean creating your first page, please follow our page creation guide 𝑭𝒊𝒍𝒎𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔 (talk) 18:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Why are you not allowed to use multiple accounts to contribute to the same article to suggest that they are multiple people?

Hello there, I’m an anon editor. I noticed on sockpuppet policy that “Editors may not use more than one account to contribute to the same page or discussion in a way that suggests they are multiple people.” But can you please give more explanation and elaborate on why can not use more than one account to edit the same page? Why are you not allowed to use several accounts to look more than one person? I define that an account presents you as an individual as the guideline and pillar stated. But why it is still forbidden to use multiple accounts to pose as separate people? And why do you need to identify and link alt accounts if you create them? I’m just curious about why it is prohibited to pretend to be different people by creating multiple accounts. How though? Why can not you create a false impression of multiple users? Also, what happens if you use more than one account to edit the same article in order to suggest that they are multiple distinct individuals or editors? Thank you Wikipedians. 2600:1010:B102:2431:9933:D99F:8249:88AF (talk) 18:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

You can read the full policy on sockpuppetry. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Examples and scenarios? 2600:1010:B102:2431:9933:D99F:8249:88AF (talk) 18:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Plenty of examples are given in the policy. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

We won't give you too many specific examples as that would only help people who will see this discussion and then use those examples. 331dot (talk) 19:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Operation Orangemoody, Wiki-PR Wikipedia editing scandal. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Anyone got any articles I can edit?

Hi! I'm a fairly new Wikipedian. I made this account a while back, some of you might remember me as Chompshark. I almost entirely forgot how to use this site, but I'm trying to find some quick edits I can make to get autoconfirmed. Leave the articles on my Talk page! Sharkoii (talk) 20:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Sharkoii, I think going through maintenance tags is a really good way to do some basic edits and get used to the site. Are you interested in any particular wikiproject's scope? This is the maintenance list for WP:BOOKS, for example. Not all are newbie-friendly, but some are quite easy - "dead link" for example is very easy to fix if you have something like this Chrome extension for the Wayback Machine: [11]. -- asilvering (talk) 20:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

For more general maintenance lists, you can check out WP:TASK. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sharkoii, I left a message on your talk page. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Translating foreign film/television titles to English

Hi Teahouse, I've recently encountered an editor who has taken it upon themselves to translate a large number of foreign-named film and television titles. While I've looked at WP:COMMONNAME and the MOS section on titles, in order to ascertain whether or not this is justified or recommended, as most of the titles in question aren't very common, I'm unsure how to proceed, especially as the editor in question has been somewhat reticent on the topic. I'm wondering if I should just leave it, or if this type of mass translation is frowned upon and further action should be taken. Thanks! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: Are they actually moving the pages to a new title? Or just adding the translation to the lead? – Joe (talk) 14:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have been more clear: the editor in question is moving pages to an English title. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Without knowing the specifics, that does sound problematic to me then. Especially if they're doing the translating themselves rather than taking it from sources. If they're not responding to requests to stop (which should be enough to stop making the moves unilaterally, per WP:BOLDMOVE), I'd escalate it to ANI. – Joe (talk) 15:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, according to them, they are using sourced, or "official" translations, so that particular point doesn't seem problematic. My main area of concern around this issue is that I'm not sure what the protocol is, or if it is recommended to translate all, or most, foreign titles to English (unless the productions are specifically known by their foreign title rather than a translated one). Any thoughts on this? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The general rule (not just for films) is that we use the name most commonly used in reliable, English sources. If the foreign term is the one most commonly used in English ("Mein Kampf", not "My Struggle"; "Das Kapital", not "Capital (Marx)") then we use the foreign term. If the English term is most common, then we use that: "The 400 Blows" (not: "Les quatre cents coups "); Seven Samurai (not: "Shichinin no Samurai", or "七人の侍"). Mathglot (talk) 00:01, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Forgot to ping User:Revirvlkodlaku. Mathglot (talk) 00:04, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I understand that last point; that's what I meant when I wrote "unless the productions are specifically known by their foreign title rather than a translated one". My question is, if the titles are not well known, is it preferable to leave them in their original language, or is the English name preferred? Is there a guiding principle around this? In other words, is it a problem that this user is changing the names of a whole bunch of titles to English? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Joe, @Mathglot, I'm still hoping to get to the bottom of this issue. Do you have any additional thoughts that could help me figure out how to proceed? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: I don't understand this part of your question: "if the titles are not well known". What do you mean by that: 1) if the English title is not well known; 2) the foreign one; 3) or if the film itself is unknown under any name? The general rule for a topic (film, or not) which exists in a foreign language, is to follow WP:COMMONNAME. One of the examples given in that section is to use: "Sailor Moon (character) (not: Usagi Tsukino)" If there isn't agreement among editors about what constitutes the common name in English sources (which might be English, or not, as we have seen above), then the next step is for editors to discuss the name at the article Talk page, using the five criteria for a title. If there are a lot of articles affected, and it's impractical to start discussions at multiple article Talk pages, you could raise the discussion at a wikiproject talk page, such as at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film. List the articles you are concerned with there (or indicate them somehow, if the list is really long), and ask for |feedback about the retitling there, in order to gain consensus. Another possible venue would be WT:Article titles (pick just one page for the discussion, but you can point to the discussion with a brief, neutral notification at the other one). I'm not sure if this answers your question, because I'm not sure I understood it. Mathglot (talk) 03:29, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mathglot, you're pretty much spot on, actually, and that is good advice. Thanks! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Mathglot I stumbled across a few of these on IMDB around the same time you wrote this post.

A 2019 British series, with 6 English episode titles, where 4 of them had been given German titles by an IMDB contributor, so I corrected them.

If the on-screen titles for the episodes in the UK were in German, then fair enough, but they weren't.

At this moment in time, IMDB doesn't let you add alternative titles for TV/web episodes, which is stupid imo, as there are 100s of 1000s episodes I've stumbled across over the years which have 2 or 3 different titles in English alone, never mind in another language.

Usually it's when the original TV networks themselves give an episode a different title on it's programme page, than what actually appears on-screen, which following IMDB guidelines, on-screen titles should always be the priority title.

There was even a massive blockbuster film which came out a couple of years ago, which has an on-screen title which contains a subtitle, yet it's advertised everywhere, including on the official posters, without that subtitle. Danstarr69 (talk) 06:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Danstarr69, Thanks, that's interesting to know about how iMDB contributors work. iMDB content and iMDB guidelines have no effect on what happens at Wikipedia and in particular the title. If iMDB contributors also edit here, then just like anyone else they are subject to our policies and guidelines, and if they are naming things incorrectly and you're following the guidelines, then that will presumably be seen and upheld by consensus. The key point being, we wouldn't revert them *because* they are supposedly an iMDB editor (or copying what iMDB editors do), but rather because they're editing against *our* policy.

This discussion is getting longish for a Help page, but hasn't had much response from others, and if you, or Revirvlkodlaku feel that a satisfactory result hasn't crystallized yet, then probably it's time to move this either to WT:WikiProject Film, or to Wikipedia talk:Article titles, to solicit fresh eyes and further feedback. If either of you want to do that, be my guest, or upon request, I will do it for you. See Template:Moved discussion to if you're interested. Mathglot (talk) 06:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Mathglot I meant to reply to @Revirvlkodlaku...

However, out of interest, with Wikipedia's rules on episode titles, if the BBC for example advertised an episode on its episode page with one title, but on-screen it had a different title, which title should we use?

Or is it another case of the ambiguous "whatever is the most common." Danstarr69 (talk) 07:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Danstarr69 I don't think I've considered that question before, and I believe it would turn on how other editors (i.e. consensus) viewed "on-screen" with respect to "publication", as our title policy requires published sources; I'm not even sure myself where I stand on that issue. I think these aren't elementary questions anymore, and would benefit from a change of venue. P.S., it seemed like you were replying to me due to indentation; see WP:THREAD for more on that. Mathglot (talk) 08:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mathglot, I thought I had wrapped up the conversation earlier, when I thanked you for your advice. I have also started a discussion at WikiProject Film, so it's all good. Thanks again! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film § Mass move/translation of foreign-language titles to English.

Should the article "Konstantinos Staikos" be deleted for lack of notability?

I was going through some maintenance tags and stumbled across this article. It's not very transparent and I'm not sure if it meets the nobalility requirements to have it's own article. Should this article be removed? If this is the wrong place, you can move it. Sharkoii (talk) 20:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Konstantinos Staikos - 57.140.16.29 (talk) 21:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Before nominating an article for deletion you should go through the investigations in before. If you are satisfied that the subject is not notable (in Wikipedia's sense), by all means nominate it for deletion: see deletion policy.

If you are going to be making deletion nominations, I suggest creating an account and enabling Twinkle, as this makes the mechanics of the process very much easier. (It doesn't absolve you from doing the necessary checks first, though!) ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Haha, @Sharkoii, I too have wondered about this article. Here's why I haven't nominated it or removed the tag:

1. the sources are in Greek, so it will take some additional effort for me to muddle through them

2. he's written several books, so it is quite likely that he meets WP:NAUTHOR's guidelines

3. if our own articles can be believed, his library was considered important enough that it was bought by a major scholarly funding organization

So, I think he's pretty likely to be notable (and thus, to be eligible for an article). But I'm not so sure, because I haven't done the work muddling through the Greek, that I've removed the tag and cleaned up the article myself. -- asilvering (talk) 22:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Article and source

I was wondering when we find a reliable source, how do we able to spot the right informations to extract and write into the article? And i noticed that some actors who dont have a Wikipedia page are still added to the cast and some actors who still dont have a Wikipedia page cannot be added to the cast until they have a Wikipedia page. Why some can be added and some cannot be added? Veganpurplefox (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Veganpurplefox. There is no simple answer to your questions. The decision of what to put into an article is usually a matter of discretion, and different editors may disagree - that is why we have the policy of BRD.

If some information cannot be cited to a reliable source, then it certainly shouldn't go into an article; but not everything that can be cited should go in. Some information is trivial, for example, some information about living people should be omitted for reasons of privacy, and too much detail is a mistake. But as I say, one editor may feel that certain information is appropriate and another may disagree.

As for cast lists, again there is a level of discretion. Those playing major parts should normally be included whether or not there is an article about them; but those in minor roles may or may not be. Perhaps some people think that if an actor who is the subject of an article was in a show, in however small a role, they should be included in the article; others may feel that this is not appropriate. ColinFine (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I think my problem is that i add too much information and i find it hard to find what is meaningful to add to the article.

For the cast is ive tried a couple times as well as seen another editor tried to add the name of Edward Hayter into the reccuring cast of Will (TV series) but get removed everytime and said to be promotional. I tried to take it to the talk page but no answers. So i was wondering why cant i add him? Or if any more experienced Wikipedia users could add his name. Or explain to me why his draft has to be approved first to then add him Veganpurplefox (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't know. You didn't WP:ping the editors who reverted your addition when you raised it on the talk page, so it's possible that they haven't even seen it. (You can add a ping now, but note that a ping only works if you sign your post in the same edit as you make the ping).

What I do notice, looking through your edits to that article, is that almost every one has a grammatical error, often omitting an article, or getting a verb form wrong. ColinFine (talk) 21:53, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I talked to the one who removed it but has erased their talk page of the suject. About grammatical error, i do my best because english is not my original language and others are there to correct if theres something not well written. I try to correct as much as i see but i do not know all grammar English Veganpurplefox (talk) 21:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox I think your account here is too inactive for experienced editors to see your edits as helpful. Don't take it personally, but the grammar and tone on your edits could be worded better. Because of that, some editors will assume you are committing sockpuppetry for promo. There are guidelines for what wikipedia is not and how to cite reliable sources. IMDb and TV Guide are not reliable, but those can be used at the bottom of a subject's page in the external links. Rotten Tomatoes is reliable but usually only for citing some information related to the opinions of critics. You may have better luck using that source after you've made more edits throughout several pages, but you have to commit to editing here frequently before other editors take contributions seriously. Filmforme (talk) 22:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

What does being inactive means in my case? Ive been editing for almost a year now in different articles. There is this site that seams to be reliable that a reviewer added to the actors draft. I knew about imdb not be reliable but if tvguide isnt reliable why does it say its reliable in the perinal sources of reliable sources? I understand for rotten tomatoes http://bufvc.ac.uk/shakespeare/index.php/title/av77850 . And how can i word and write article better then? Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:13, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox Sorry, I looked in the wrong area. You've made a lot of contributions in a short time. In my days here, I have not seen TV Guide used as a source, but you are correct, it is listed as reliable. I'm seeing your history and it looks like a few drafts are where most of your edits are. I suggest rewording anything that reads like a resume or cv. Once they pass AfC, you can try adding them to cast lists again with wikilinks. Filmforme (talk) 22:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

okay thank you, how can I reword these ? Is there a specific ones? Or a website that can help fix mistakes or word it better? Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Veganpurplefox, regarding English not being your first language, you might want to add a Babel box to your userpage. Info at WP:BBL. I have one on my user page, if you want to see what they look like "in the wild". -- asilvering (talk) 22:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you I just added it Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:23, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

famous bird

I have a famous bird, he is a rook. he played in a movie and was invited to tv shows and was on the national news many times. can i do a wikipedia page for him? 86.123.125.241 (talk) 22:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

If your rook meets WP:N, yes. But just "being on national news" doesn't necessarily mean someone (or somebird) is notable. There needs to be secondary coverage of significant length and depth. If you provide some links to what you think are the best sources, someone here can have a look. Please just give the best 2-4 links. -- asilvering (talk) 22:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

he can talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utzHgsHfJto , he was in talk shows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7scsbhR1HSA&t=50s , the pet collective show: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=230007892065123 , he felt the Earthquakes from roamania from February 2023: https://observatornews.ro/eveniment/peste-600-de-replici-dupa-cutremurul-din-gorj-un-nou-seism-de-magnitudine-mica-sa-inregistrat-azi-in-oltenia-512015.html , and he played in this movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12981538/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_sm, you can check the trailer 01.22( just a second) or the movie on netflix( more then a second :) ) this is just a few links. I have lots with him. 86.123.125.241 (talk) 23:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

No, you should not make a wikipedia article on this bird. -- asilvering (talk) 00:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but none of those sources establish notability for the bird. Yous houdl take a look at the simplified guidance listed at WP:42. Videos that you took yourself are not considered "independent", as well as simple interviews where the subject does most of the talking. IMdB and Facebook are not reliable sources since anyone can post stuff there. In Wikipedia, notability has a very specific meaning that is quite different from normal usage of the term. This is not to say your bird is not worthy of notice - he is a very talented bird! Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Bibliography template

I uploaded a PDF on the Internet Archive and endeavoured to add the linkage to extant citation on the Seventeen tantras page but made a botched hack of it. As I will be adding many electronic sources along with bibliographic details to articles, I would appreciate assistance to do this according to best practice and policy on Wikipedia. B9Joker108 (talk) 23:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

You had square brackets around the URL in |url=, removing them fixed the formatting issue, but I'm more concerned with I uploaded a PDF on the Internet Archive. You uploaded a book © Oxford University Press 2014, per WP:LINKVIO Wikipedia cannot link to websites which violate copyright... this is different from what the Internet Archive legally does for copyrighted books, namely, for books it physically has a copy of, it can digitally lend them out, to one person at a time, for one hour at a time, and the book cannot be downloaded by a user. But anyone can easily download the entirety of Hatchell's copyrighted 2014 book published by OUP via this Archive.org link, so I'm worried you're violating copyright here. Umimmak (talk) 23:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I found it on the Internet so I thought I would archive it for people interested like me. I also placed it there in case anyone would like to use the reference to edit the Wikipedia article. I note your concern and I will take it on-board.B9Joker108 (talk) 00:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Where did my sandbox article go?

I created a sandbox article stub on Gita (literature) in Sanatana Dharma as there isn't such an article and there really should be - as there are circa 64 individual Gitas and they are all notable works. I can't find my sandbox, where did it go? B9Joker108 (talk) 00:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi B9Joker108. If you scroll to the top of your browser, you should see a link to your "Contributions". If you click on that, it will show you all of the still existing Wikipedia pages you've made edits to since registering your account. One of these page is Draft:Gita (literature) in the Sanatana Dharma and I'm guessing that's the "sandbox" you're looking for. Technically, that page, however, is a WP:DRAFTS and not a WP:USERSANDBOX; your user sandbox can be found at User:B9Joker108/sandbox (but you haven't created it yet) and there's a link to it at the top of your browser in the same place as the aforementioned "Contributions" link. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Refrences

Sir/Madam could you tell me some pages which have Very few citations related to the Vedic And Tamil literature I can add citations to them. Sastri676 (talk) 01:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Why don’t you just look for them yourself? Buckrune (talk) 01:36, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Buckrune, how might such a search be formulated? Is there a way to search within particular categories for certain maintenance tags? Folly Mox (talk) 07:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Folly Mox A good source for suggestions is the WikiProject Cleanup Listings which is a weekly dump of various tags associated with articles in groups: there's a group for religion-related articles, for example. The idea is that you should download the parts of interest to you into a spreadsheet. See User:CleanupWorklistBot. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you; that's helpful. So User:Sastri676 could start their search at the WikiProject Indian history dump of articles with referencing issues and see if any of them are appropriate for using Vedic or Tamil literature as a source, or maybe begin at the similar listing for WikiProject Tamil Nadu? Folly Mox (talk) 17:42, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the guidance Sastri676 (talk) 02:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok sir, Thank you for guiding me Sastri676 (talk) 02:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Before your hunt, you might want to read WP:REF, WP:OR, and WP:V. ✶Mitch199811✶ 02:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok sir thank you for the guidance Sastri676 (talk) 04:13, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Place marking an edit in progress

I started editing a page, but had to stop part way through because of other time comitments. How do I return to the that page and the place I left off? Telerana (talk) 21:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are referring to Catholic University of the Most Holy Conception, you need only to revisit the page and edit it as you did the first time. 331dot (talk) 21:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Telerana, kindly let me know if I got this right or not. I am interpreting what you said as in "you start to type things in the visual editor / source code, but had to stop part way through, and you wonder if your editing progress in the editor can be saved".

If that is the case, I suggest that you make small-stepped edits in your sandbox. Hit "save" / "publish" every time you do it. When you think you've accumulated a cohesive paragraph / sentence, copy-paste it to the article.

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 02:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm new at this and didn't think of using the sandbox. Telerana (talk) 03:04, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

No worries! Welcome to the community. -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 15:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Telerana Another thing that you could do is copy-paste your current draft into a Google Doc or a Microsoft Word document or something like that, and the next time you want to edit your article, just copy-paste what you have in the document or Word back into the Wikipedia editor. You might have a bit of a problem with your citations with copy and pasting, though, so just be careful with those and save the websites or books or articles (or something) somewhere as well. It just seems to be a bit more convenient this way. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 05:01, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Very helpful. I joined to edit Wikipedia because a couple of articles within my area of expertise have several assertions based on out-of-date research. I think it's important to correct those errors. Telerana (talk) 17:51, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Telerana This is unrelated, but have you considered joining the related WikiPedia Projects of the articles you mention? Maybe some other editors would be happy to join your efforts. TheLonelyPather (talk) 21:11, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Telerana Relativity Or save it privately on Blogger, like I do with every piece of text that I think I might need in future.

I've got random lists, large comments I write a lot on social media, and even a few incomplete Wikipedia articles I started years ago, but haven't created yet somewhere on 1 of my 5 or 6 private Blogs. Danstarr69 (talk) 07:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69, hey, you do you. That works. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 02:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Telerana! I would recommend using your sandbox for edits like the one you just described. Davest3r08 (talk) 18:29, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Major Richard Winters

When was major Richard Winters assigned to Fort Dix 32.219.47.42 (talk) 21:42, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. If you can't find an answer at Richard Winters or one of its sources, you could ask at one of the reference desks - WP:RDH would probably be best. Or, if you just want to suggest that such information be added to the article, you could make a post at Talk:Richard Winters. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 21:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, and looking from the article it looks like it was in June of 1951. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 02:57, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Is this a valid article

Jonathan Senchyne was submitted as draft and has just been approved. I believe this article was written by Senchyne. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Moses_Horton&diff=prev&oldid=1176985727 I could write a similar article about myself, but haven't. deisenbe (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Autobiographies are discouraged strongly but not prohibitted. The article going through AFC was the correct process for the author to follow, due to COI. RudolfRed (talk) 01:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Deisenbe. There's no Wikipedia policies that prohibit someone from trying to create an article about themselves. It's something that is highly discouraged because of Wikipedia:COI and the tendency for people to be unable to detach themselves enough to write in a WP:NPOV manner, but they are free to try and do so as long as they follow relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Generally, such persons are encouraged to work on a draft first and then submit it to WP:AFC for review. An AFC reviewer will assess that draft in terms of WP:N and decide whether the subject is Wikipedia notable. In this case, the AFC reviewer who assessed the draft felt Senchyne did meet WP:BIO (or WP:NACADEMIC) and approved the draft. Of course, this is only the start of the process and hopefully the article will continued to be improved over time. So, if you feel you're Wikipedia notable, you're free to try and do the same. Similarly, if you feel the article about Senchyne needs improvement, you can try and do so. If, on the other hand, you feel it shouldn't exist per WP:DELETE, you can nominate it for deletion. However, simply nominating an article for deletion simply because you suspect it was created by its subject is not usually considered a valid reason on its own absent any other exteuating circumstances. Finally, please be very careful about trying to connect Wikipedia accounts to real world people for the reasons explained in WP:OUTING; unless an account holder clearly identifies themselves as being some real world person, you shouldn't really be posting guesses as to who you think they might be on any Wikipedia page. If you have serious concerns that their behavior is somehow inappropriate, you should seek administrator assistance at WP:AN and askto discuss your concerns via email. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

courtesy un-redlink: WP:NACADEMIC, Notability (academics) 💜  melecie  talk - 03:53, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

school

are you allowed to make a Wikipedia article for your school if your school doesn't have one, just wondering, because every now and then I for some reason get the random urge to make a wiki article for my high school Coke101 egg (talk) 03:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@coke101 egg: only, and i do mean only, if you can find at least three reliable, independent sources that cover your school significantly. ltbdl (talk) 03:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Wow. Can I delete every school article that doesn't satisfy that criterion? HiLo48 (talk) 03:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@hilo48: what is this about? ltbdl (talk) 03:53, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm in Australia. I suspect hundreds of Australian school articles exist that don't meet that criterion. HiLo48 (talk) 03:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

well, sure, go ahead then. ltbdl (talk) 07:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ltbdl: While I'm sure you meant well, this is actually bad advice and perhaps you should become more familiar with Wikipedia policies and guidelines youself before trying to answer questions here at the Teahouse. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@HiLo48: Since only Wikipedia administrators can delete articles and other Wikipedia pages, it's technically impossible for you do so. Moreover, any attempt at WP:PAGEBLANKING lots of school articles is almost certainly going to be seen as WP:DISRUPTIVE and run the risk of either a formal warning or sanction from a Wikipedia administrator. So, don't follow the advice given above by ltbdl. If you have genuine concerns about a particular article and think that it should be deleted per WP:DELETION, the first thing I suggest you do is ask about the article at Wikipedia talk:Schools or Wikipedia talk:Australian Wikipedians' notice board to give more experienced editors a chance to assess things. The notability guidelines for schools (particularly at the high school level) were changed a few years ago and assessing such articles has become a bit more complicated as Tollens has pointed out below. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Trust me. I had no intention of WP:PAGEBLANKING or any other disruptive action. Perhaps my Australian bluntness gave a false impression. But there simply ARE hundreds of Australian school articles that don't meet our standards, often in several ways. As someone who edits in this area, it bothers me more than a little bit. I don't know how to tackle the issue. HiLo48 (talk) 03:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

​Prior to the RFC mentioned below, WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES was primarily used as the standard for assessing articles about high schools (secondary schools) and pretty much just existing was considered sufficient for establishing Wikipedia notability. So, there were lots of articles added about such schools worldwide (not just for Australia) that probably wouldn't be considered to meet the post-RFC criteria for inclusion. Anyway, if there are just a few examples that are truly bothering you, you can simply follow the normal deletion process by proposing, tagging or otherwise nominate them from deletion/speedy deletion. You should, however, try and do a WP:BEFORE check first since it tends to start things off on the wrong foot when you nominate an article for deletion only to have others start posting links to all kinds of significant coverage that most likely would've been found with a cursory Google search. On the other hand, if you're looking for more of a project-wide culling of non-notable school articles, you might want to broach the subject on the talk page of some relevant WikiProjects first. It's possible the others have already been contemplating a way to deal with these articles and would appreciate additional input on the best way to go about doing that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@HiLo48: Sort of. The notability criteria for schools were clarified in 2017 through an RFC to require that they meet WP:GNG or WP:NCORP, whereas they (in a way) didn't before, so there are unsurprisingly numerous articles that don't meet the criteria. The same RFC notes that it is common for the sources that would demonstrate notability to be print-only, so a WP:BEFORE needs to be more in-depth than usual. Additionally, the RFC asks that editors refrain from making indiscriminate or excessive nominations. Tollens (talk) 04:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

List of dinosaur specimens sold at auction

I posted on the talk page about access issues and tagged the page. Other than the very rude reply I got, I couldn't quite see in what way to improve the page. I have a problem with the table and it's very annoying to scroll across on a MacBook, let alone on an iPad or mobile. I wasn't sure how to go about improving the article. It would be nice to have a few other people look at the tables there, or think of a way to improve it. Much appreciated, Govvy (talk) 06:39, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

You have already started a discussion at the article talk page. That is the correct place to discuss the issue. However, the talk page is for suggested improvements, and you haven't suggested a way to improve it. It is true that large tables are not very mobile friendly; they are not designed to be consulted on a mobile, but large tables are common in Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 06:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Writing about a defunct but still registered non-profit

Hello! Came across the page for the so-called Entertainment Consumers Association. It's a page which has a bunch of issues frankly. It reads a bit like an advertisement, is quite dependant on primary sources, and I'm a bit suspicious of the organization's spin as a consumer advocates organization, when it clearly lobbies for industry interests. The main issue though, is that the organization appears to be defunct. The last year I can find press on it is 2014, and checking the IRS filings, the total reported annual revenue from membership dues dropped to 2$ as of 2018. Its safe to say that while it continues to be a registered non-profit, it is no longer actively working.

This seems like a really obvious question (and maybe I'm just on the sleepy side), but what kind of sourcing do I need to start moving everything in the article into the past tense, as they've obviously wound down their active operating? Is there a way to write that they are not actively operating without it being OR? Handpigdad (talk) 07:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Handpigdad: I don't know if this is the right, let alone the only right, answer, but here's what I'd do. I'd populate the |dissolved = field in the infobox with the dissolution date, and cite a reliable source against it. After that you can presumably turn it all into past tense, based on that. If you can't find such a source or have other hard evidence that the association has been dissolved, then perhaps start a discussion on the talk page? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @DoubleGrazing. This is helpful. I have already started a discussion on the talk page. The issue I'm having is that they aren't dissolved. They dutifully file taxes each year, they've just stopped doing anything public and their expenses are purely administrative. Do you think I could cite their publically available tax return showing no revenues as an indicator that they are defunct? It seems rather unlikely that a better source would come along, but also is clearly innacurate for our article to discuss their various operations in the present tense. Handpigdad (talk) 08:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Handpigdad: sorry, I seem to have confused defunct and dissolved. The Template:Infobox organization also has a |defunct = parameter, which could/should be used instead. Again, you'd need to cite a solid source, and it seems to me that filing effectively nil tax returns might not quite amount to that. But maybe the talk page discussion will shed some light on this, good luck! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

High Quality images

Hey, i'm a new wikipedia editor, to get a feel for editing i figured i could try replacing low quality/low resolution images with higher quality images that depict the same thing, mostly on articles for video games since many of those have small, low resolution JPEGS. Just wondering if this would be OK Powder9157 (talk) 09:34, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Powder9157. Copyrighted images uploaded to the English Wikipedia under the stringent terms of Non-free content - images are required by policy to be low resolution, for reasons related to copyright law and infringement on commercial opportunities. On the other hand, freely licensed and public domain images can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons at the highest practical resolution. Feel free to work with those types of images. Cullen328 (talk) 09:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked from editing an article with a lock

Hi, I found out yesterday or today that I was indefinitely blocked from editing an article which now has a lock on it and was wondering how do I do an edit request if I want a piece edited? How do I get unblocked from editing unreliable sources, and poorly sourced articles? I got indefinitely blocked from editing Earhardt’s page, and now they decline my request to be unblocked 2 times bc I didn’t explain why I want to be unblocked. I’ve been making a few editing suggestions on my account from topics that I choose from that is really easy, and sometimes hard but I try to fix what the article wants. I have given up on editing Earhardt’s article of BLP:DOB since I couldn’t find reliable sources stating her saying she’s _____ this age. But other sources that I have found has her birth year, and date. I stopped editing her page bc I got indefinitely blocked now, and was wondering since I’m blocked from editing her page if I can request an edit but have someone find reliable sources? I have been practicing editing other articles, and have did better so far. I look up the articles, and then I copy the link in the button that says website copy. So far the admin likes some of the edits I did. I only do the copy editing ones since it’s easier for me, and a lot understandable. I’m still a little new to Wikipedia, and editing. Thank u, and will continue editing some more to get better by each article. Dandielayla (talk) 04:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

No you can't request an edit and have someone find reliable sources for you. You'd have to find them yourself and present them in your edit request. You do not have any realistic chance of being unblocked from editing that page. I recommend leaving that article alone for now and moving on. Pecopteris (talk) 04:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

You can find websites there which states which sources are reliable or aren't. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#perennial_sources but even if rotten tomatoes and tv guide are listed reliable they are not so dont use them Veganpurplefox (talk) 10:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

OP now indef blocked from all editing. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Linking different languages articles

Hello would it be possible to link the english article to the french article of Edward Hayter https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hayter Veganpurplefox (talk) 10:39, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done at Wikidata here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Veganpurplefox (talk) 11:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

AI

Has Wikipedia considered it's own AI? The quality of Wikipedia information could make it a gem. 24.222.250.175 (talk) 11:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Your suggestion is unclear. Numerous virtual assistants already obtain much of their information from Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:34, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Somewhat related: Wikimedia(the group that runs Wikipedia) released a plugin for ChatGPT. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

reference in this article

I want to put the the reference in this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimosa_tenuiflora

Because this article says that refernece need.My anchor text is mimosa hostilis. kindly let me know where i can put the reference? Hamisaeed (talk) 11:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Please see WP:REFB. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:35, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hamisaeed: Where to put the reference depends upon which fact(s) it supports. I suggest you create a new post at Talk:Mimosa tenuiflora where you share the reference and ask the other editors interested in this topic for their recommendations. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:27, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Cannot find a page I started but not published yet

Cannot find a page I started but not published yet

It is a bio for Bjarne Berg Wig

Many thanks Elsa Haagensen Karlsen (talk) 14:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Other than this page and the Help Desk(please do not use more than one forum for a question) your account has no edits. 331dot (talk) 14:40, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

FYI

Answered at Help Desk. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:43, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have special rules about biographies of dead people?

We have WP:BLP. How about dead people? Aredoros87 (talk) 14:34, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Aredoros87 and welcome to the Teahouse.

Recently deceased persons are still covered by the polices at BLP.

Otherwise, content is subject to Wikipedia's normal polices on verifiability, notability, and so on. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for response. How do we define "recently"? For example, is 6 months can be considered as recent? Aredoros87 (talk) 14:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Aredoros87: see WP:BDP (part of BLP). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Aredoros87 As you are a new editor, I'd advise you to treat dead people the same as living ones. The over-riding policies are WP:V and WP:NPOV, which you should read. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Aredoros87 (talk) 14:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Aredoros87: "Recently" does seem to have some slop in it, doesn't it? Here's the way to think about it: Traditionally, Wikipedia has allowed to stand statements that seem true even if they are not cited or not cited to a viable source. At least, until someone objects. BLP applies an extra requirement: unsourced or poorly sourced statements must be removed. This tradition of allowing unsourced statements has largely faded away in newly added material, but we are not going back to aggressively police existing articles in this respect. Maybe we should, but there's a lot of work involved, since – properly done – it involves first finding possible sources rather than simply removing – think about why {{citation needed}} is used. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Aredoros87: BTW: the policy language says "indeterminate", but then clarifies with "six months, one year, two years at the outside". — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Notability questioned for Ostap Korkuna

It appears that @Robert McClenon would like additional eyes on the notability of Ostap Korkuna. Hopefully someone can take a look - IMHO, there are more than enough references in this article, including deep coverage by Voice of America (in Ukrainain), Central News Agency (Taiwan) (in Chinese), Helsingin Sanomat (in Finnish), as well as San Francisco Chronicle, Fox KTVU (local news), and some coverage on KQED, an NPR affiliate. Also, a fresh award from President Volodymyr Zelensky. Thx for looking into this. Qq8 (talk) 08:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Qq8, the first sentence of the article has seven references, for a seemingly uncontroversial statement. This will make readers suspect something fishy. Anyway – which three of the sources cited, in your opinion, do most to establish that Korkuna is notable? The San Francisco Chronicle source doesn't help, as it reports what Korkuna said, and so isn't an independent source. Please not that references are judged on quality, not quantity. Maproom (talk) 08:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Qq8, I lived for 50 years in the San Francisco Bay Area, so I evaluated the sources that I am most familiar with. The San Francisco Chronicle coverage is based largely on what Korkuna told a reporter, and is therefore not independent. The KTVU coverage consists of direct quotations of Korkuna, and is therefore not independent. The KQED source consists of just three sentences, one of which paraphrases Korkuna's opinion. This is not significant coverage. What is required are references to reliable sourced that are entirely independent of Korkuna, and that devote significant coverage to Korkuna. If your other sources are of comparable quality, then Robert McClenon is probably correct. Cullen328 (talk) 08:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Then, I noticed that two of your references are to Medium, which is a self-publishing and blogging platform, and which is not a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 09:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Should those two be deleted? Qq8 (talk) 09:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Qq8. Having any obviously unreliable sources in the article is a bad idea. Having any mediocre sources in the article at all is a bad idea, when your goal is to establish notability. As Maproom pointed out above, the quality of sources is vastly more important than the quantity of sources. High quality sources are like solid gold. Mediocre sources are like sand and gravel. Cullen328 (talk) 09:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Understood. Qq8 (talk) 09:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328, the Taiwanese source looks stronger, you can open it and translate the page in your browser (if your browser supports that). The Finnish source - also, although it is occasionally behind the paywall. Hopefully, a state award helps too - it's more selective than coverage in the media. Qq8 (talk) 09:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The Helsingin Sanomat article doesn't even mention Korkuna, or feature a picture of him as claimed. Therefore the two statements against which that source is cited are not verified by it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing - you may be looking at the top paragraph and not seeing the entire article. I'll check Qq8 (talk) 09:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Qq8, I cannot read the Finnish source due to a paywall. The Taiwanese source is an interview of Korkuna, and is therefore not independent. There is also a PR Newswire source. They just regurgitate press releases for money, so that is pretty much the opposite of an independent source. Cullen328 (talk) 09:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Qq8: really? Can you tell me where, exactly? I am looking at the entire article (I'm a HS subscriber, as it happens), and I still can't see it. I also searched the text for both 'Ostap' and 'Korkuna', in case my eyes were failing me, but nothing came up. In fact, I searched the entire HS archive, and there was no mention of him. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:37, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

OK, apologies. I think I saved an image. Let me check. Qq8 (talk) 09:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

OK, I see six images, and indeed none of them matches Korkuna's image. Let me scan the text - (I don't read Finnish) Qq8 (talk) 09:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Seems like you are right. It's good to have language expertise handy. Qq8 (talk) 09:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Qq8. I'm not sure that tagging the editor who added the notability tag on this teahouse question is particularly good form. On the subject of your notability request, I would just add that an Order of Merit III degree does not by itself confer much notability. It was awarded alongside dozens of others. Handpigdad (talk) 09:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The thought was that maybe the editor can chime in, but I can accept your point. As for the Order ref, wouldn't it add to other sources? And why being awarded alongside others is a detriment? This happens once per year, much less frequently than, say New York Times articles that you would accept as good references. Thx Qq8 (talk) 09:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Qq8, awards are completely different from reliable news media coverage. An award contributes to notability only to the extent that independent, reliable sources report on the specific award. A Ukrainian government announcement of a Ukrainian government award is not an independent source. Cullen328 (talk) 09:26, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Got it. But hopefully that's still worth leaving in the article (aside from notability). Qq8 (talk) 09:33, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328@DoubleGrazing - thank you for detailed explanations and insights. I wasn't sure if it was a good idea to start removing clearly unreliable or irrelevant sources in the middle of the discussion, but can certainly remove the Medium and Helsingin Sanomat. The Taiwanese source seems worth keeping as it covers street rallies and Korkuna's participation.

I see half a dozen additional sources online - mostly local TV and radio coverage of Korkuna and his woring Qq8 (talk) 09:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Qq8: another question that we should ask is, how did this article come about? There exists an earlier draft, Draft:Ostap Korkuna, which has been twice declined at AfC, which you didn't create but have been involved in editing. I haven't done a text comparison, but a quick glance suggests the article in the mainspace may be a copypaste move – is that so? In which case, please don't do that, as it loses the edit history, which must be retained for legal reasons. (And a histmerge is probably now needed.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:53, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Some copying was involved, but I worked on it in my sandbox to add material and see how it looks. Didn't know about histmerge and legal reasons(in this case?) Qq8 (talk) 09:57, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The first version in your sandbox is 100% identical to the AfC draft as it stood at the time. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328@DoubleGrazing - I removed The Medium, HS and the press-release refs. Unrelated, doesn't Korkuna meet notability under WP:ACADEMIC through Ref 6? "2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level." A gold medal at ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest fits the criterion. Qq8 (talk) 10:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Two Copies

Thank you, User:Cullen328, User:DoubleGrazing - I didn't do a detailed source analysis, but will explain two of the reasons why I had notability concerns. First, the reason why I didn't do a detailed source analysis was that the article had been reference-bombed. There is a myth among some would-be submitters to Wikipedia that, because sources are necessary, adding more sources is the way to ensure that an article is kept. That is a myth, but it is a widely held myth, and so some authors reference-bomb their articles. Some reviewers look at an article that has been reference-bombed, and think that maybe the author was trying to discourage a source analysis by making it long and hard. So the excessive number of references made me wary. Second, there was already a draft, and the draft had been declined. The draft was then copied into article space. This makes reviewers very concerned. Why did you submit the draft for review if you did not plan to continue to use the review process? Why did you run around the review after it was declined? Creating both a draft and an article is a common practice of paid editors, or other editors who are not in good faith. It has the "advantage" that the article cannot be moved back into draft space by one of those difficult reviewers, because there is already a draft. So, the combination of too many references, making it hard to assess them individually, and both a draft and an article are hallmarks of paid editing or other conflict of interest editing. I don't like seeing both a draft and an article created at the same time. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Do we use oxford comma or no?

I know it isn’t that big of a deal, but I feel like standardization should be good. Janlopi (talk) 15:57, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Janlopi: Either style can be used, but it needs to be consistent within an article. See the guidance at WP:SERIAL RudolfRed (talk) 16:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok thank you so much! Janlopi (talk) 16:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Can't put a clickable button in navbox!

I was working on my user page and i was thinking: "Hmm, can I put a clickable button in the navbox to make it look speldin'?" So I did, but instead of a button that I could click, it only has shown the text it stored. I used {{Clickable button|TEXT}} template. Please help me! Anton2038 (talk) 13:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it will only show that text. You haven't said what you were expecting it to do. If you want it to take you somewhere you need to add the name of that page. See the documentation at Template:Clickable button Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I don't see the template on your user page now. It would be easier to diagnose the problem if we could see how you're using it. Also note that {{Clickable button}} is merging with {{Clickable button 2}} - see the messages on those template pages. GoingBatty (talk) 14:24, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

OK! Thanks :)

Press for a cookie ;) Anton2038 (talk) 16:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Reversing out of own mess

Help! I tried to alter a sidebar template, realised I was making a mess. (Template:John Cain Jr sidebar → Template:John Cain sidebar and Template talk:John Cain Jr sidebar → Template talk:John Cain sidebar) I wasn't too worried, thinking I could self-revert, but now when I try that, it says the edit has already been 'undone' [good], but does not actually appear to be so on my view [bad]. Can someone check it's okay and apply repairs as needed? (I'm suitably chastened and have already self-administered a slap for the over-confident meddling with templates. Sorry!) AukusRuckus (talk) 15:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC) [Added: I see I'm supposed to click "move" again (of course!), not undo. I do feel stupid, but I'm not going to try to fix this myself, in case I make a bigger mess. Updated: AukusRuckus (talk) 16:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC)]

Looks like someone has already performed a rescue. Phew. AukusRuckus (talk) 16:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

How to remove Non Notable entry

how a non notable Wikipedia article is removed? Irbasdude (talk) 15:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Irbasdude, if a Wikipedia article is not notable under our current guidelines, it may be nominated for deletion via the articles for deletion process. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 16:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

who

am i going to dye my hair 130.156.76.100 (talk) 17:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

This is a help forum for asking about editing or using Wikipedia, not a general one about hair dyes. Qcne (talk) 17:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

How to get an experienced editor to review my article?

I’m currently working on an artticle, and I’m close to being finished. How can I get it reviewed by someone? Janlopi (talk) 15:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Janlopi: you can submit it for pre-publication review at WP:AFC. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Janlopi: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you're referring to a draft, then I agree with DoubleGrazing. If you're referring to an article, then it will be reviewed by the WP:New pages patrol. You can also have either one reviewed by adding the appropriate WikiProject templates to the talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

guys i dont know if this is the right place for this, but on the simple english wikipedia fr33kman got his talk page griefed

the IP is 212.18.120.215

block it KeroppiKid (talk) 19:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Already blocked, in the future you can use simple:WP:AIV Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 19:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

How do I cite an audio interview?

Also, is it possible to cite precise moments from an audio interview, rather than the entire thing? As always, thank you. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

General advice is in Citing - Audio and video sources, and more detailed advice on the use of templates, etc. — including the advice on "minutes in" which you're asking about — in AV media template details. Hope this helps!  Podstawko  ●talk  22:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

How to make little coloured boxed in user page

I got told how to make a babel box but how do we do a box with interests,and things that i noticed many people on Wikipedia have on their user page. Is it for everyone or just for reviewers? Veganpurplefox (talk) 15:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox You can certainly copy the style of other long-term editors on to your own user page. The general guidance is at WP:UPYES. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox: If you want to find already-created userboxes about interests and other topics (there are tons of them), you can look through Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries. Should you want to create a custom userbox for yourself, there are instructions at Wikipedia:Userboxes. Deor (talk) 22:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:43, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Copied Draft

I have just noticed that an IP address user copied everything from my draft into Typhoon Saola (2023). What Should I do? Songda Talas 23:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

IP editors are restricted from creating new articles, so it should have been reverted, especially since the original draft was pending for review, but it's too late for that. Since the both pages now has substantial history, I recommend a WP:History merge to fix attribution issues and deleting the AfC template since it is now in mainspace. Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

My first DYK nom

I nominated a new article for DYK. It was reviewed, and they said it checked all the boxes, except that there was a paragraph in the article with inadequate citations. I fixed the problem, and nothing has happened since. I notified the reviewer, but they haven’t gotten back to me for a couple days now. Could they be busy? Is there anything I need to do? Is there a deadline? Professor Penguino (talk) 22:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Professor Penguino, I'm not finding anywhere on the nomination page or the reviewer's talk page where you notified them, and it doesn't look like you mentioned them by name in your replies to the thread on your talk page, which they may not be watching. I may be missing an obvious venue, but you might want to try politely nudging them with the {{ping}} template on the nomination page. Folly Mox (talk) 03:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Alright, I'll do that. Thanks. Professor Penguino (talk) 03:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Articles for deletion

Recently I have nominated an article for deletion Veer Teja Vidhya Mandir School but still there are no any votes on weather to delete it or to keep it, why ? I think that the article is for promotional purposes. WikiAnchor10 (talk) 05:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Many nominations and not enough editors wishing to participate in the discussions? There were 67 other nominations on the same day. Give it a week. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.228.22 (talk) 05:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to use {{Copyvio-revdel}} on boards like WP:EFFPR?

I ask because of <this>, which appears to have been a copyright violation (it was definitely copied at any rate). – 2804:F14:80FB:2E01:4CA1:2349:2447:241C (talk) 07:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Looks like a manpage or several. To answer your question, the copyvio policy applies to all pages on the site. Backroom dealings like WP:EFFPR are not excepted. Folly Mox (talk) 08:23, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Folly Mox: My question is just if it's appropriate to use the template to summon a revdeling admin to said boards - it doesn't look like a particularly big template, and IPs don't even see it, but I'm just worried about it seeming disruptive for use in boards.

Not sure what the copyright of manpages is like, but the comparision page in the toolforge link in my summary (the right side) has a copyright section. – 2804:F14:80FB:2E01:4CA1:2349:2447:241C (talk) 08:34, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I think I've only ever placed that template once, months after I had reverted the copyvio, when I learnt it was required to revdel it as well. I don't think I've ever seen one live; they seem to be actioned very quickly (there are four transclusions to non-talk pages at the time of this edit).

So I'm certainly not an expert in how others feel about where it should be used. My apologies for the unclear communication above; I did mean that the template is appropriate for any page in any namespace, since it's the standard method to flag RD1 material in revision history, and the policy applies everywhere. My assumption is that since copyvio is taken so seriously, the template will be actioned and subsequently reverted before it can be perceived as disruptive.

As to the copyright status of the diff you reverted, I know equally little about that, but the Teahouse is slow this time of day. Linux manpages are certainly GFDL, but I'm unsure about other Unix genera, and the copypasted material could have a different source. Sorry I'm not a more authoritative source in this area. Folly Mox (talk) 08:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Instructions for special cases has some alternative guidance around placing {{cv-unsure}} on a talkpage, which may feel more comfortable. Folly Mox (talk) 09:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Folly Mox: That is interesting to know that a template for when you're not sure what the source is even exists, shame there doesn't seem to be a way to put the ones where you do know in the talk page instead (I guess it would just add another layer of complication). I've requested with copyvio-revdel at EFFPR, since that was cleared, but thanks for the help anyways. – 2804:F14:80FB:2E01:4CA1:2349:2447:241C (talk) 09:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

No, it's not disruptive. At least specifically for WP:EFFPR, users don't usually see the full page until they save their edit and create a new section. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@0xDeadbeef: Alrighty, I've <requested it>. Thanks. – 2804:F14:80FB:2E01:4CA1:2349:2447:241C (talk) 09:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Pour les pocheux prémen partou

¹je sit just vetiter 2001:56B:9FF2:CA14:0:5E:6EA7:EF01 (talk) 20:46, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Google translate is not helping me understand this. If this is about the English Wikipedia, Please post in English. French Wikipedia Teahhouse is at fr:Wikipédia:Forum_des_nouveaux RudolfRed (talk) 21:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I think this is French gibberish. I'm reasonably competent in French, and can't make head or tail of it. None of the apparent content words (pocheux, prémen, partou, or vetiter) is in Wiktionary, and neither "sit" nor "just" has a French entry there. ColinFine (talk) 09:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Not the headline, but the "je sit just vetiter" is being translated as coming from Albanian as "it's just your own site". Lectonar (talk) 12:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I suspect that Google is talking through its rear end. "Je" means "you are", "sit" does seem to mean "site" (in the architectural or archaeological sense, but not for a website), and "vetite" seems to mean "property" in the sense of "characteristic". I may be wrong though. ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I am a native French speaker and this is definitely not French, gibberish or otherwise.

"Partou" is Antillean Creole for the (metropolitan) French "partout" (English: "everywhere"), and the rest of the title kind-of sounds Creole when read aloud. However, "prémen" or "pocheux" are not found in any Creole dictionary I found, and a basic online search yields no hits. I am going to assume gibberish. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I've made ten edits (a week ago) how do I contribute my own page? Thanks!

Hey, I'm trying to contribute two new pages, and went through ten edits. Am I missing something? Please advise. NAXman (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. You should be able to directly create articles, but it is highly recommended that unless you have prior experience getting articles accepted that you use the draft submission process to find any problems before your work is placed in the encyclopedia, instead of afterwards. 331dot (talk) 21:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@NAXman: Help:Your first article is a wealth of information. GoingBatty (talk) 01:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

"my own page" is problematic. Do you intend to create a draft about yourself? See WP:AUTO as to why this almost always fails. Wikipedia prefers the term "article" to "page", and states that there is no ownership - once an article exists, all editors are able to edit it as long as content is supported by reliable source references. David notMD (talk) 11:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Looking for editor

hello, I'm looking for someone who can make an individual wikipedia profile Abdeljabbar Odeh (talk) 11:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not social media. We don't have profiles but articles on encyclopedic topics. You can request an article at WP:Requested articles but I suggest you first read WP:42 to appreciate what constitutes a Wikipedia article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

"Latest stable version numbers" often out of date – how to edit?

Wikipedia pages for software almost always have an infobox at the top left, and, in turn, it usually contains the version numbers of the latest stable releases for popular platforms (Windows, iOS, etc.) These are often in fact NOT the latest numbers, but when I want to update them, and edit the infobox, the version numbers are not in any of the listed fields. I think they're instead pulled in from Wikidata pages, but I don't know hoe to find those pages in order to edit them. Also, when I edit the infoboxes using the visual editor, I can't see what part of the template generates the list of version numbers.

I've been editing Wikipedia for years, but I still find this and a number of other things hard. And Googling for help on them seems remarkable fruitless. Shouldn't there be more tutorial pages available to Wiki editors?

BTW, 95% of the time, I use the Visual Editor – though I'm not scared of editing markup. Spel-Punc-Gram (talk) 00:09, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @Spel-Punc-Gram and welcome to the Teahouse! I believe that what is displayed as the latest stable release in the infobox is the value of software version identifier currently considered preferred in the Wikidata item (for Visual Studio Code, it would be Q19841877). to edit it, you may add another value with the current version (as well as a version type of "stable version" and the date it was released as the publication date) and make it the preferred version, while making the other version normal ranked. wikidata is kinda complicated, so if you want to understand more about it, check out Wikidata Tours. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Spel-Punc-Gram It may be worth mentioning that the articles you are interested in should (in the default vector 22 skin) have a menu item on the right called "Wikidata item": which is a direct link to the correct page to make the alterations Melecie described. There should be no need to search Wikidata. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

This section explains the mechanism for "Moving release data outside the article". @Spel-Punc-Gram: I agree that the documentation is not very accessible. My critique on the process can be found here (answers from supporters of the mechanism too). --Kallichore (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Meaning of the name Simon.

What is the meaning of the name Simon? 2600:4040:935B:2200:549E:4F59:AB63:E91B (talk) 13:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Is this what you are looking for, Simon (given name) Knitsey (talk) 13:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject tags

Hello! I recently made and submitted a draft for an article about the band Macula Dog, and I added a tag I think I should remove. I added the alternative music tag thinking it was just generally about alternative music, but the tag that was added onto it seems to be more about alternative rock, and Macula Dog isn’t really a rock band. The thing is, I’m not sure how to remove it. I just don’t wanna get into any sorts of trouble for possibly tagging it wrong ) : Poppedcolonels (talk) 12:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Poppedcolonels close enough, the short description says 'experimental band' anyways. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 12:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Poppedcolonels! You should never get into trouble here for making an honest mistake, still less a judgement call that others may disagree with: everybody makes mistakes; it's how we all learned to edit here. If someone disagrees with an edit you "Boldly" make, they'll Revert it, and if you don't agree with the reason they (should) give (in their edit summary) you can Discuss it on their Talk page or that of the Article and come to an agreement – this is our standard procedure: see WP:BRD.

This applies to actual Articles, and even more so to a Draft, which is exactly where possible inclusions can be tried, thought about, and kept or discarded. When the Draft is Submitted for Review, it's part of the Reviewer's (and any other Commenters) task to think about such details and change them or ask the Drafter to.

I see your Draft has just been Declined, but with suggestions of how it can be improved so as to be acceptable. This is quite normal and a good sign – if the Reviewer thought it had no chance of becoming an Article, it would have instead been Rejected. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.146.221.109 (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:GroupM

Hello! On behalf of GroupM, I've submitted a draft article for review at Draft:GroupM. However, the draft was rejected by an editor who said "Corporate notability is based on what independent reliable sources have written about the subject" and "Portions of this draft contain marketing buzzspeak". I am under the impression all of the sources I've included are appropriate for Wikipedia, and I've not been given any specific examples of "buzzspeak" to address.

Since I was invited here to ask for assistance, I would appreciate it if editors could identify any problematic sources or text on the Talk page. I look forward to working with editors to address any concerns. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 20:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

:Please explain "On behalf of GroupM" since you state on your user page that you are familiar with WP:PAID. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC) Ah, never mind, it is declared n the draft talk page 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Timtrent: (edit conflict) Sure! I've submitted the draft on behalf of GroupM as part of my work for Beutler Ink, as noted on my profile page (User:Inkian Jason) as well as the Talk pages for both WPP plc (Talk:WPP plc) and the draft (Draft talk:GroupM). I'm hoping for specific feedback about how the draft can be improved, and how I can demonstrate corporate notability for the largest media buying agency in the world. Of course, I would welcome direct improvements to the draft from editors, too. I hope this helps, thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 20:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Inkian Jason As you see, I struck my question, having worked it out. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, great! Let me know if you find anything in the draft worth discussing. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 21:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I didn't reject the draft. I declined it. Many submitters don't know that those are two different actions, and a decline permits the submitter, or someone else, to improve and resubmit the draft.

I will note that I, and at least some other reviewers, have a relatively high bar to establish separate corporate notability for a division or subsidiary of a parent company that is the subject of its own article, and will often recommend that information about a division or subsidiary be included in the parent article on the parent company, in this case, WPP plc. That was also taken into account in the previous deletion discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon I am working to further improve the draft based on editor feedback, and I hope to resubmit at AfC with support from others. GroupM is the world's largest media buying agency, and the business houses EssenceMediacom, which is the world's largest media agency network. Per CNMall41's request, I've shared sources which I believe demonstrate notability, but I would welcome your feedback if there are specific ways I can make corporate notability more clear. As far as I can tell, none of the content at Draft:GroupM duplicates WPP plc. The parent company has dozens of independently notable divisions and subsidiaries, so covering them all in one entry would be difficult. Inkian Jason (talk) 13:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Making an edit

My article was rejected so I made an edit and I *think* I resubmitted it. How can I tell if I have resubmitted for review? Carolinemoncure (talk) 14:09, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

You didn't - click on "Resubmit" at the end of the boilerplate at Draft:Dario Wolos. NotAGenious (talk) 14:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Done! Carolinemoncure (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Carolinemoncure After the draft was declined, you removed some non-neutral wording but added nothing. In my opinion, if you re-submitted it now it would be declined again. Please read this policy and note that all facts must have inline citations to reliable sources. At present, several items do not have this. Note also MOS:SURNAME and the continuing use of non-neutral language like first hand experience of the passion etc. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Carolinemoncure (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Please update Bethel, Alaska article

Would someone please edit the Bethel, Alaska article to include Anthony (Tony) Vaska under Notable People: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethel,_Alaska Here is his information: https://www.kyuk.org/politics/2021-10-15/remembering-tony-vaska-who-dedicated-his-life-in-service-of-the-y-k-delta Thank you 2601:603:5401:65D0:9130:FB8E:CE6A:3CDB (talk) 14:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Our policy on listing notable people can be found at WP:LISTPEOPLE. Since there is no existing Wikipedia article for Anthony Vaska his name should not be included in that list. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Would someone please create a biography page on Wikipedia about Anthony (Tony) Vaska from Alaska. He was a notable person from the Yukon-Kuskokwim region (Kalskag/Bethel) and contributed much to those communities and Alaska as a whole. Here is some information about him. https://obituaries.adn.com/adportal/listing/Anthony-Vaska/W0025560.html https://www.kyuk.org/politics/2021-10-15/remembering-tony-vaska-who-dedicated-his-life-in-service-of-the-y-k-delta 2601:603:5401:65D0:9130:FB8E:CE6A:3CDB (talk) 15:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. This isn't the proper forum to request an article- that is at Requested Articles, though that page is backlogged to the point of uselessness- the best way to see that an article is created is to do it yourself, though that is a difficult process. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 15:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Please don't create multiple sections about this topic. 331dot (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Second opinions?

A draft I started was declined at AfC for not passing WP:NACTOR and WP:CITEKILL. I have removed some refs to comply with CK but I believe it passes WP:NACTOR, WP:NBASIC or WP:ANYBIO. Anyone think it is worth resubmitting or publishing as is? If not, would like further insight. – Filmforme (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, I don't see this meeting either NACTOR and certainly not ANYBIO. I've no opinion on BASIC/GNG, haven't analysed the sources in any detail (but did have a quick look through, and didn't think they satisfied that in any obvious way). HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing Thanks, I will see what else I can find before resubmitting. Filmforme (talk) 16:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Question about the Georges Feydeau article

Before I say my query, if I posted this in the wrong article, please let me know.

My question was that my recent edit to an article faced opposition as someone reverted it, specifically removing an infobox that I had inserted. I am seeking clarification on the broader policy regarding the inclusion of infoboxes in Wikipedia articles – whether they are mandatory or discretionary. Furthermore, I am keen to gain insights into the rationale behind the removal of the infobox from this specific article. Notably, the article had garnered recognition by being featured as the 'Article of the Day,' which led me to anticipate the possibility of differing opinions concerning my edit.

I would like to know if infoboxes are required on ALL articles or some if they have a lot of information or disregarding the amount of info and just putting the infoboxes there automatically. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Infoboxes are not compulsory. The guidelines (at WP:INFOBOXUSE) state “The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article.” That article has never had an IB until someone tried to force it in today (probably without knowing that no article needs an IB). - SchroCat (talk) 00:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I've left a comment on at the Georges Feydeau article expressing my opinion and asking a question that will hopefully move the discussion forward. Pecopteris (talk) 01:34, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

A wise move. Being a rather scatter-brained and muddle-headed wombat of an editor, I do recall that there was some discussion about this in the past, but can't remember exactly where. Some articles have infoboxes (for example: Mandy Rice-Davies) and some articles don't (for example: Noël Coward). I guess you could say that sometimes Mandy Rice-Davies applies, and sometimes it doesn't.--Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that, but i don’t think it’ll change anything about the consensus. In my view, I believe the consensus was unfair and should be challenged. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 10:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002, the best way to do that would be an WP:RFC, either at the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes (depending on which consensus you want to challenge). 57.140.16.29 (talk) 13:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

57.140.16.29 Well, I already challenged it at the article. But I guess they already came to a conclusion. Very disapointed.TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 18:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

error publishing page

trying to create a page in wikipedia and publish it. but it got rejected saying it's not a place to put resume. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Waikhom_Vishwanath is the page i am trying to publish. can someone help guiding me through? MeiteiNupa (talk) 18:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

The draft is not suitable to be published on Wikipedia. You have already received feedback at the draft but the most important thing to know is that everything on Wikipedia needs to be referenced and your draft contains no references whatsoever. Please read the guidance you have been provided with already.

I would recommend reading some of the other articles here on Wikipedia to get an idea of what kind of information they contain. MarchOfTheGreyhounds 18:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Crazy Train and content removal by user claiming to be "Ozzy's management team"

Tough one for me - I've reverted twice and ceased. The account removed a reference to a third party's contribution to the song Crazy Train, along with cited reference material from a known source. Their justification for removal is "This is Ozzy's management team so we know the history better than ant articles written by those who were not involved."

With or without a grain of salt, that's a bold claim without CoI declaration. However, I don't see this is as immediate vandalism so stepping back for 3RR. Thoughts? CMacMillan (talk) 18:34, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @CMacMillan, welcome to the Teahouse. That claim to be the managment team (at User talk:HWGA) actually comes from an IP, though of course it's being made on the account's talk page in response to your question. I recommend leaving COI notices for the parties involved and continuing the dispute resolution process as normal. Start a talk page discussion. Ping the account to it and leave a note for the IP. Might be a good idea to check the removed material against the source just to be sure it's accurate (I'll take your word for it that the source is reliable for this sort of information). If the other party isn't open to discussion, then you can go to WP:COIN or WP:ANI, or if they keep edit warring, to WP:3RRN. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 19:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Blocked for edit warring, specifically an indefinite partial block from the page in question. Doug Weller talk 20:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hinduism Portal

Hello, I have a question for the Hinduism Portal but I am not sure how to contact anyone on there? Can someone please guide me? Hemmingweigh (talk) 20:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure. Check this out. Near the top right of the page, under the section "Alerts", it says this: "Alert contributors of Hinduism-related pages to current events by posting here (including current peer review requests and nominations for featured status)."

Click on the word "posting", and it will take you to a page where you can make a post that will be seen by other interested editors. Pecopteris (talk) 20:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hemmingweigh: You can post your question at the portal's talk page Portal talk:Hinduism RudolfRed (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both very much! Hemmingweigh (talk) 21:07, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Are checkuserblock-account blocks logged somewhere?

If yes, where are they? NM 01:19, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Northern Moonlight: All I know is to go to Special:BlockList, tick the boxes to hide range blocks, autoblocks, and single-IP blocks, and click Search. Then use your browser to find occurrences of the word "checkuser" in the list.

This searches only active blocks, not the history of blocks. Maybe someone else has a better answer. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:55, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist: Special:Log/block also shows now-inactive blocks, but I don't see a way to remove IPs or blocks placed by bots from the list. – dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 03:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I’ve phrased my question wrong, I can see the log, but it doesn’t really say what abuses the account had done. NM 04:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

That's because they're based on secret evidence. See Wikipedia:CheckUser#CheckUser blocks. Folly Mox (talk) 08:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Northern Moonlight: Checkuser blocks are almost always for sockpuppetry, ranging from one individual who has a couple of accounts to massive rings of linkspamers and undeclared paid editing organizations. The evidence seen by checkusers is not publicly available. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources

I was wondering if this source is reliable? Could i use it for Draft:Mattias Inwood ? : https://www.programme-tv.net/biographie/389622-inwood-mattias/ Veganpurplefox (talk) 00:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox: Welcome to the Teahouse! There's a dedicated place to ask questions about source reliability: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Veganpurplefox (talk) 03:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Extremely embarrassing question

I apologize, as this is my first question here I would believe to show technological incompetence, but how do you center text in a table? Best regards, Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 04:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@UnexpectedSmoreInquisition: You should be able to add style="text-align: center;" after the opening {| of the table - more information is available at Help:Table#Aligning text in header cells versus other cells. Don't worry - table markup is complicated! Tollens (talk) 04:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Tollens. Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 04:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Unblocks

I remember reading about this in someone's RFA, but can't remember. Is there a consensus to decline non-admins from marking unblock requests as declined (or reverting them), if it's uncontroversial cleanup, such as when the request is empty or when the user block has already expired? NotAGenious (talk) 16:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

User:NotAGenious, the biggest row about declining unblock requests at an RfA that I can remember was at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Oshwah 2, although the cases were not all completely uncontroversial. I don't know if this is the same thing you're remembering. Folly Mox (talk) 23:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

That's exactly what I read. But I was wondering, has clear cosensus to prohibit or allow these kind of closes (what I suggested) been achieved through an RfC or similar? NotAGenious (talk) 05:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Links Not Approving

Hi, I've started an article about a song but when I added the links like YouTube links or external links the thing is it's not publishing which I have created as a draft on my sandbox. XERI MUSIC (talk) 17:34, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:XERI_MUSIC/sandbox TheLonelyPather (talk) 17:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@XERI MUSIC Hello and welcome to the teahouse. To clarify, do you mean to add external links as references to your draft article? Please be mindful that

• Your draft was declined because it shows no references. Read WP:CITE for this.
• I do not encourage you to use YouTube videos as references. See WP:YOUTUBE for why.
• I also do not encourage you to put external links in the body of the article.
• If I am mistaken and you wish to add external links, do this:

This is the link to [https://en.wikipedia.org English Wikipedia].

This will produce

This is the link to to English Wikipedia.

Kindly let us know if you have any questions. A final word: please check the notability of your subject. Articles on Wikipedia must pass a certain threshold of notability (see WP:NOTABILITY for this).

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 18:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi XERI MUSIC. Please don't embed external links into the bodies of articles as TheLonelyPather seems to have suggested above in bullet point #4; this is not considered acceptable as explained here. If the link is intended to serve as a citation, please format it as an inline citation as explained here; if it's intended to serve as an external link, please add it to the "External links" section if it's appropriate to do so. Please also be very careful when adding YouTube links to any Wikipedia pages as explained here and here: lots of content found on YouTube is unacceptable for Wikipedia because of copyright reasons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @XERI MUSIC. It's possible that the YouTube links you're trying to add have been run through a URL shortener. This is relatively common, but here on Wikipedia, most such sites are blacklisted - see this if you want to learn more. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 18:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@XERI MUSIC: When you want to link to youtube, please use the full www.youtube.com URL, rather than the youtu.be shortcut, i.e. [12] rather than https://youtu.be/3fgZ1Q0uG9o

@57.140.16.29 I checked the OP's spam blacklist log(note: not accessible to IP's), your hunch was correct. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Edit Warring

Please assist. I am stuck in an edit war with the intent of the other party clearly showing malicious content with the aim of casting a bad light on a profile. Unfounded accusations are made in an attempt to cast shadows on a person. Can a profile be locked on request of the person in question so edits cannot be allowed? Regards Wisdommonitor (talk) 10:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

You have been repeatedly removing sourced content. Instead of edit warring you should discuss this on the talk page of the article. If you continue to edit war your account may be blocked. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

OP is a brazen COI account. They were warned about their edit-warring and COI status in 2021, but have returned to engage in the same behavior. Thenightaway (talk) 11:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

This is about Tale Heydarov, and edit disputes do date back to 2021. The involved editors have not attempted to solve this on the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 11:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Your account has been involved in original placement of unfounded content in 2021 and there seems to be malicious intent involved to place this individual in bad light. I will take this up in the talk page of Tale Heydarov Wisdommonitor (talk) 07:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

undelete a page

A page I contribute to was deleted, apparently by a self-appointed grim reaper. Maybe this person is doing god's work most of the time, but in this case it's an error. I don't have access to the Special:Undelete/ mechanism. Ddyer (talk) 21:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ddyer, welcome to the Teahouse. Only admins can delete or undelete a page. As Liz said on your talk page, you should start by bringing this up with the deleting admin. If you tell us the name of the page, we can find their name for you, and explain your other options (they will depend on why the page was deleted). 57.140.16.29 (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

The page in question is boardspace.net (Which is my site). I appreciate that

you don't want the wiki to become a dumping ground for promotions, but it ought

to be a place for reliable facts. Ddyer (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ddyer, Wikipedia hosts articles on notable subjects. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BoardSpace.net determined that your website did not meet the then-current notability standards. The deleting administrator was Northamerica1000, who is only occasionally active nowadays.

If significant coverage of your site has appeared in multiple reliable, independent, secondary sources since May 2020, an article may now be viable. I recommend reviewing WP:42 to get a better idea of what, exactly, is required. Also, you should review and comply with WP:COI and/or WP:PAID (depending on whether you make money from your site). 57.140.16.29 (talk) 22:34, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

To clarify, you must comply with WP:COI whether you make money from your site or not. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

How to make a article semi-protected?

Narendra Modi Stadium is sheduled to host the final of 2023 Cricket World Cup. I witnessed that some IP user trying to add unsourced lines between sourced info. Their is denger that the article can be vandalised and tell me in future, where I can request to protect any article? Tesla car owner (talk) 09:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

You may request protection at WP:RFPP. Articles are not protected preemptively, there must be a demonstratable problem with vandalism or disruption like edit warring. 331dot (talk) 09:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Snow White and the 7 dwarfs remake

In Snow White (2024 film) article, Rachel Zegler is still in the list of cast, but she was reportedly dropped from the movie. I added sources in the talk page, and i can't do anything because the page is protected. 201.188.151.218 (talk) 10:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

This is already being discussed at the article talk page. That is the place to continue this discussion. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Improve draft

Id like to have advices about my draft Draft:Mattias Inwood i believe he's notable but would like to know if everything is okay Veganpurplefox (talk) 04:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

anything that need fixing/improved/added/removed? Veganpurplefox (talk) 04:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

What comments on his work have there been from reliable sources? 2A00:23C7:F834:9C01:DFE:46D8:3AC1:A180 (talk) 04:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I will look into that. Also there's something wrong with this link: https://www.bfi.org.uk/preview/page/cfa4a40b-c655-4699-9fcc-b0e97551371b/working-copy/1684234680/6_p2ELUsFyId3V-mwEy3ObfGotrJtoAqvgVjVUYKZZs

that I noticed it doesn't work for him. Do I still add it or should I not add it to the draft? Veganpurplefox (talk) 12:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Would Stuff co nz be okay? There are things i could add from this site but not sure of its reliability. I also can take a few infos from NZ Herald, but not from the Deadlines articles as everything was added there as was just infos as who represent him and series he was in. Veganpurplefox (talk) 12:55, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Help with 2023 ArbCom election guidelines

Hi hosts, I was wondering, since the 2023 ArbCom elections are coming up, what are the minimum requirements for voting in the election? The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 12:51, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@The Corvette ZR1: per Wikipedia:5-minute guide to ArbCom elections#Voting process:

An editor meeting the following criteria is eligible to vote:

• has registered an account before 00:00, 1 October
• has made at least 150 mainspace edits before 00:00, 1 November
• has made at least 10 live edits (in any namespace) within one year of 00:00, 1 November
• is not blocked from the English Wikipedia at the time of their vote

Hope this helps! Tails Wx 13:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tails Wx Thanks! Also, what is the difference between "Mainspace edits" and "Live edits"? The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 13:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

"Mainspace" edits are when you edit an article in an article-space (including disambiguation and redirect pages.) Live edits are when your edits are published on any namespace. In this case, if you have published an edit within one year of 00:00 1 November, and have at least made 150 mainspace edits before 00:00 1 November, then you're good to go. Tails Wx 13:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Michael Gambon

Can the years active ending date get changed from 2023 to 2019?

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2023/sep/28/michael-gambon-star-of-harry-potter-and-the-singing-detective-dies-aged-82

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-66949848

Thanks. 2601:18C:9082:A6F0:A159:3D1E:875A:F4A3 (talk) 13:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

How do you know it was 2019 when he stopped being artistically active? Neither of the above sources seem to confirm that. If anything, the years are 2012 or 2014 depending on how one interprets it.  Podstawko  ●talk  13:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Reuters and WSB-TV both say Gambon retired from the stage in 2015 after suffering long-term memory problems but continued to act onscreen until 2019.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/british-irish-actor-michael-gambon-has-died-pa-media-2023-09-28/

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/michael-gambon-who-played-dumbledore-harry-potter-films-dies/2HE5JPO4C5EKLOSQ6YHHXD3QQQ/

2601:18C:9082:A6F0:A159:3D1E:875A:F4A3 (talk) 13:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

This has been addressed at Talk:Michael Gambon, which is the correct venue. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 14:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Is there any way I can go back to the old interface of a couple months ago?

This new one is good but recent changes such as moving the whatlinkshere tool and certain custom ones make it impossible to use Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 16:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle You can go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering, go to "skin" and tick Vector (2010). That will switch it back to the old skin. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 16:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Reducing size of infobox image

Can someone reduce the size of image at Shivnath Singh Kushwaha. Since it is only face, its looking weird. Admantine123 (talk) 16:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done, Admantine123. The image_upright parameter I added can be tweaked as you see fit. It's a multiplier to the standard image size, so you might consider values between about .5 and .9 or so. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Admantine123 (talk) 16:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Removing maintenance tag

I have a conflict of interest on this page and can't remove a maintenance tag, although the offending issues - some promotional sounding sentences and some links to the organization have been removed. Could an editor remove the tag please? Revive & Restore. Thanks Angus Parker (talk) 17:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Angusparker as the original adder of the tag I think it still applies. For example, the #Programs section seems excessively long. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm removing a little more fluff right now @Angusparker, and then I'll remove the tag when I'm done if appropriate. Alyo (chat·edits) 17:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Need Help

I am abit confused, I feel this Draft Draft:Dekunle Okunrinboye been Decline has enough sources to meet notability. Can it be reviewed by another editor? I can provide sources if need be and also open for advice as well. Fmnoble (talk) 23:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fmnoble: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you're confused about why the draft was declined, you could invite the reviewer to discuss their decision on the draft talk page. After you update the draft, you can resubmit it to be reviewed again. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:58, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

GoingBatty Thank you, I just did as you advice. Now hoping for his response.Fmnoble (talk) 18:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

This article may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject ...

The page in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_H._Meneilly cites every fact possible. Yes, one of those sources (www.villagepres.org) is close to the subject as this is the website of the church he founded. But there are numerous other sources cited as well: www.presbyterianmission.org www.legacy.com www.dignitymemorial.com www.monmouthcollege.edu www.mainstreamcoalition.org The Washington Post newspaper Kansas City Star newspaper

The only other references come when the page talks about stances that Robert H. Meneilly took (often controversial ones for someone in his position such as environmental protection, civil rights, separation of church and state, etc) and so I thought the BEST way to source those comments was to link to audio recordings where the user could actually such stances in Meneilly's own words ... far more authoritative to the subject at hand than some journalistic report of what he was supposed to have said.

Which references do I need to improve to remove this "article may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject" tag? TDinKS (talk) 22:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

It's great that you're asking this question rather than just getting angry at the person who added the tag, as many editors might have been tempted to do. That speaks well of your judgement.

I would suggest two things: 1) Start a conversation about this at the "talk" page of the article. 2) Ping the user who added the tag to get their input. Other than that, I don't have a strong opinion here, since I'm not familiar with the subject. If need be, I'll take a closer look at the article later to see if I agree with the tag. In the mean time, try steps 1 and 2 and see where it goes. Take care. Pecopteris (talk) 22:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!

I will follow your advice and hope that it leaves to a quality resolution. TDinKS (talk) 18:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

TDinKS Legacy is apparently unreliable. I can't remember why or who claimed it's unreliable. However I used it a few months ago as an additional source for something I can't remember, and it seemed accurate to me, as it said the same things as the reliable sources I used. Danstarr69 (talk) 11:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

That seams reasonable as the Legacy information is *probably* written by the deceased's family members. I'll remove that reference from the page. TDinKS (talk) 13:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Possible Bot Needed to Replace BFI Pages which were Deleted Today (or in the last few days)

I don't know where to post this, but...

Today I've noticed that all the British Film Institute Film-TV-People pages on the site BFI Films TV People have been deleted, and there doesn't seem to have been any news posted by the BFI about it.

I knew this day was coming, but I would have thought that they would have fixed the occasional loading errors on BFI Collections first before they started deleting pages from the main site.

BFI Collections is the replacement for the BFI Films TV People pages, according to Natasha Fairbairn aka the woman in charge of the collections at the BFI, however every now again you get an error when trying to search, which can last from as little as a minute, to as long as an hour or more, before it's working again.

Maybe they have fixed the BFI Collections errors, and I haven't noticed because I've barely used it in the last month, as I've mainly been updating newer stuff directly from the productions themselves, rather than old TV shows from 30, 40, 50+ years ago. Danstarr69 (talk) 09:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. I don't see how we can advise you about the BFI website. You will need to contact them directly. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I think perhaps @Danstarr69 is explaining that any external links from articles to BFI pages will now be broken? Qcne (talk) 10:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Qcne Correct. Shantavira, I'm saying they will be dead (unless it's a production partly funded/produced by the BFI, as some of those I've noticed redirect to a new page) so will need to be replaced with Wayback Machine/Archive.today links, or replaced with a link to the page on BFI Collections.

However, because of type of website that BFI Collections is, you probably won't be able to make a bot for that, especially as the people/production/company numbers for the BFI Films-TV-People links (13 digits) and the BFI Collection links (9 digits) don't match. Danstarr69 (talk) 10:51, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

And this insource search has 3,750 current hits, so manually fixing things will be a chore. Worse, the link to https://www2.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/ mentioned above now lands on a page for something called Laratravel. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull *Laravel Danstarr69 (talk) 11:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Shantavira here's an example.

Here's the BFI Films-TV-People link for Peaky Blinders (TV series) [13] which is now dead.

Here's what the BFI Films-TV-People link for Peaky Blinders used to look like [14]

Here's the BFI Collections link for Peaky Blinders [15] Danstarr69 (talk) 11:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69, you can make a bot request at Wikipedia:Bot requests. I'm not sure if this something that could be done with WP:AWB, but you could look into that too. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 18:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

To the administrators of the English Wikipedia:

Block this IP address immedietly: 195.96.144.16

He targets the Simple English Wikipedia, but his trend is putting pictures of his penis on articles.

He did this on:

@Fr33kman's user page

My user page

The Pol Pot article

This is a petition to globally block this IP address. He also does sockpuppeting quite a bit, and I suspect him of using a VPN. KeroppiKid (talk) 18:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Apparently @WikiBayer wishes to get in on this too, by reverting the dick pic back onto my talk page and submitting a global lock for me for "cross-wiki abuse". KeroppiKid (talk) 18:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Note that the administrators over here an English Wikipedia are not the same people who are administrators at the Simple English Wikipedia. Have you brought this up at a public forum at Simple English Wikipedia? Pecopteris (talk) 18:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

That IP was blocked for some vandalism on this project. Please contact administrators at sister projects as needed. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

seriously though. posting dick pics on the profile of a administrator on a wiki/former sysop? thats gotta be worth something KeroppiKid (talk) 18:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

They're blocked here and at Simple English. I'm not sure what else you would like to see happen. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

oh alright

lock this question then KeroppiKid (talk) 18:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@KeroppiKid, in the future, please report such vandalism on English Wikipedia to WP:AIV (and on Simple Wikipedia, to their own version of AIV). 57.140.16.29 (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

this exact IP you want to know what they just did?

they dick-pic'd the entire simple talk page- KeroppiKid (talk) 19:03, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@KeroppiKid, as you were just told above, this is not the place to report disruptive editing. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 19:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

sorry i keep forgetting33 KeroppiKid (talk) 19:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Youtube-videos

I have removed a Youtube-video link referenced from the page Draft:Exeger Operations AB. When is it ok to include a Youtube-video? Derekhal22 (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Derekhal22, welcome to the Teahouse. Have a read of WP:RSPYT which explains. Qcne (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for directing me to this guideline (which I agree with). My submitted YT-video that was questioned was this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFEZ-TET0qA&t=302s ("Henrik Lindström and Giovanni Fili - Flexible solar cells for portable devices"). Beneath the video pane it is clearly stated that the video channel is owned by European Patent Office. As far as I can see, this video and this channel is a legimitate exception to the deprecation of YT videos. Or am I wrong? Derekhal22 (talk) 21:45, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Derekhal22 Per European Patent Office I think so, but context matters. To some extent, this seems a WP:ABOUTSELF source, an inventor talking about his own invention. I think you can use it, but some care may be needed. Template:Cite AV media may be of use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:56, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Derekhal22 You use to prove facts ie "He appeared on this" or "He did that" etc.

I mainly use Youtube when updating articles about musicians, which I don't update very often.

One musician article I updated was nominated for deletion by someone who is clearly not British, or has no idea about some specific music genres in the UK.

My Youtube additions probably took up at least 75% of the references, and mainly consisted of a few TV documentaries he had appeared in, and countless national radio shows he had performed live on.

Someone decided I had linked to to many Wikipedia articles for the radio stations, radio shows, the other guests on those shows, and the radio presenters who presented them (there's a specific term for that I can't remember) even though I hadn't, as I only used one Blue link for each one, except when someone else was covering because the main presenter was off sick or on holiday, so they removed some of the Blue links, however everything else remained unchanged, and the article was removed from the nominated articles for deletion.

However I've just noticed that just a couple of months later, someone who clearly likes nominating articles for deletion, has added a template saying "This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification, as its only attribution is to self-published sources; articles should not be based solely on such sources. This article may be written from a fan's point of view, rather than a neutral point of view." Even though there's countless references, none of them are self-published, and there are no fan type claims like "He is the greatest musician of all time." Danstarr69 (talk) 10:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Apparently I don't own The European Patent Office (EPO), and the video in a neutral way explains what a specific company with some patents registered at them works with, including the theory behind the field of expertise of that company. In general I understand the issue, but just not this specific video bias. Derekhal22 (talk) 20:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

How do I stop User removing large amount of information without discussion

I have a problem with a user who keeps removing statistic tables from Records and statistics of the Rugby World Cup article and which I believe is vandalism. I have tried to engage with him on the talk page.

User:PeeJay has removed two tables outlining the Head to Head statistics at Rugby World Cup. On his original removal of the tables, he gave the reason as "please argue for the inclusion of this statcruft on the article talk page". When I reverted his vandalism, he removed the tables again stating "I have policy-based grounds to remove this, what is your argument? that people worked hard on it? I'd argue they shouldn't have wasted their time". After reverting his vandalism again, he removed the tables for a third time stating "see WP:NOTSTATS". I have read WP:NOTSTATS, which states

Excessive listings of unexplained statistics. Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing; accordingly, statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability, and articles with statistics should include explanatory text providing context. Where statistics are so lengthy as to impede the readability of the article, the statistics can be split into a separate article and summarized in the main article. (e.g., statistics from the main article 2012 United States presidential election have been moved to a related article Nationwide opinion polling for the 2012 United States presidential election). Wikipedia:Notability § Stand-alone lists offers more guidance on what kind of lists are acceptable, and Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists § Selection criteria offers guidance on what entries should be included.

While I accept the statistics were lengthy, they were contained within a collapsable table where a person could open and close the tables (as they appear below). Secondly, these are the head to head statistics of all the games of the rugby world cup and are a valuable Commodity for an Encyclopedia which Wikipedia strives to be. Thirdly, the policy that User:PeeJay cited also gives the option of spliting the statistics into a separate article and summarizing them in the main article. User:PeeJay does not do this. He deletes all this information permanently and does so without seeking discussion with other editors on the talk page. He puts his own wants over the many editors that have worked on these tables over the many years. I think these tables should be placed back into the article or as the policy, that User:PeeJay cited, states that split the statistics into a separate article and summarize them in the main article but not to delete them. How do I go about getting this to happen?

79.154.65.115 (talk) 16:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I have removed a huge amount of material just above, that was pointlessly copied from the Talk page. It was affecting the loading of this page, and anybody who might want to look at it can find it on the Talk page --ColinFine (talk) 21:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

While I don't necessarily have any advice, please refrain from using the term "vandalism" for good faith edits.Vandalism has a very specific definition on enwiki and should never be used to describe edits in good faith, which I believe the mentioned edits were. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 16:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I do not think they are good faith edits, since the policy he cites states different to his actions, hence the reason I wrote I believed his edits were vandalism. But in any way, we will leave it there. Shall we. 79.154.65.115 (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

This is hilarious. You didn't even wait for me to respond on the talk page before coming here. I was the one who told you to initiate a discussion on the talk page in the first place, remember? You don't get to claim you tried to engage me in discussion when you definitely didn't do so unprompted. – PeeJay 20:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore, this is exactly the same message that you posted on the article talk page! What exactly is it that you're trying to accomplish? – PeeJay 20:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I have looked at these tables and I fail to see how any of this is appropriate for an encyclopaedia. PeeJay should be congratulated for making this deletion. Maungapohatu (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

adding more than just author or publisher to a source

I am trying to add a source to an article but it only will let me add the publisher or author or date (not all three). But I see other sources list all of them. How do I add all? The source is in the Certified Public Accountant article in the first sentence of CPAs in Various Countries (Franklin University)? Thank you. TaxGalPDX (talk) 22:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry nevermind I just figured it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TaxGalPDX (talk • contribs) 22:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Can someone kindly help review my draft; I was told it has no sources

Hello House, I'd be most appreciative if someone much more experienced can kindly look through my draft for me. I had apparently posted it prematurely and it was then reviewed and sent back to drafts with the note that it has no sources. This was confusing for me as over 15 sources had been cited in the article. Thanks in advance. FlawlessTouch (talk) 12:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I assume this is about Draft:Kolade Shasi. That message looks incorrect. The article does have sources, as specified. I'm not really familiar with the subject or the sources, but I think the best way of getting the draft to be accepted would be to focus on his appearance at the Cannes Film Festival. That should have appeared in multiple international magazines or news outlets, particularly if he's won an award. That should show most people that the subject had achieved international importance in multiple respected sources. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:57, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Aha! Thank you, if he had stated that there weren’t enough reliable sources then that would have helped but he just stated that there were no sources, which is confusing. Your suggestions are helpful. Thanks again. FlawlessTouch (talk) 13:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@FlawlessTouch: it is true, as Ritchie333 says, that the article/draft does have sources, however... five of them are not considered reliable, one source (cited three times) doesn't work, at least two are interviews, and some may be based on publicity materials; therefore WP:GNG notability is unlikely to have been fully established. Also, there is quite a lot of biographical detail which is unreferenced, directly contravening the WP:BLP rules. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:43, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Aaah, I see, thanks for the clarification, this is certainly more helpful as the original reviewer just stated that there were no sources and as such, that was confusing. Can you be kind enough to point out which source doesn’t work and maybe why it doesn’t work also. Thank you FlawlessTouch (talk) 13:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@FlawlessTouch: the script (MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft) that can be used to draftify articles preselects by default the 'no sources' option, and unless the draftifying editor deselects that option, it gets given as a reason. Probably what happened here. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks for the clarification FlawlessTouch (talk) 21:52, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

The theustimes.com source (refs #9, 10, 20) returns a 'site cannot be reached' error; I've no idea why.

BellaNaija.com (cited four times) and Linda Ikeji's Blog are not considered reliable. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh! I must have made a mistake with The US Times link… Thanks for letting me know, I’d check it and correct it. Thanks! FlawlessTouch (talk) 21:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

ustimes.com is unreliable anyway - it isn't a real news site, it is a place set up for PR teams to place puff pieces and promotion. MrOllie (talk) 22:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

What criteria for speedy deletion applies here?

The page Tourism of Albania was created as a direct copy of the indefinitely extended-confirmed protected page Tourism in Albania, what speedy deletion criteria applies in this situation? – 2804:F14:80BD:BF01:D85F:3C72:7CA4:BA29 (talk) 22:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, direct copy with additions: <diff between pages>. – 2804:F14:80BD:BF01:D85F:3C72:7CA4:BA29 (talk) 22:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I've redirected the page, as it's a plausible misspelling of the current title - the CSD you're thinking of is WP:A10. An edit request can be made at Talk:Tourism in Albania if they'd like to make additions there (this was mentioned in the edit summary of the redirect). Tollens (talk) 22:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens: Ah, thank you. I CTRL+F'd many terms trying to find a criteria that applied, but didn't search for the word duplicate... derp.

On the suggestion of making an edit request I'd just like note that they did make an edit request, and then decided to not wait for a response and recreate the article.

Also the extended-confirmed protection was added due to sock puppetry, but had the note that the page is covered by WP:ARBMAC - I honestly tend to just completely avoid anything ArbCom covered, so I don't know if they need to be told about contentious topic or anything like that, and don't really plan on learning, but figured I'd let you know.

– 2804:F14:80BD:BF01:D85F:3C72:7CA4:BA29 (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Is this reference legal?

There is a reference marked as a ^{[user-generated source]} that I don't know how to deal with. I was originally going to post on the article talk page, but I thought asking for help here may be a better idea. I got no reply on Kiwi IRC.

In the Janus (spacecraft) article, we are currently linking to proprietary information from a forum post, originating from the Lockheed Martin Intranet (intended to be kept confidential, according to [16]). Here's the link -- read warning below before clicking: [17]

Not only does this seem questionable from a WP:V standpoint, and because the link automatically downloads a file of unknown origin to the user's computer without warning, it is not clear to me if this is even legal? Lockheed Martin is a defense contractor, after all, and this is Wikipedia, not WikiLeaks... Renerpho (talk) 15:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Renerpho, it's just a .docx file, which I guess can be dangerous if you're running a Microsoft OS? If Lockheed Martin want to send a cease and desist letter to anyone it will be the owners of nasaspaceflight.com, where the "proprietary information" has been uploaded.

Having said that, it is just a thing from a forum, and clearly not published, so it's not a reliable source despite a convincing appearance (and may very well be legitimate). The only information in the article sourced solely to the forum posting is the internal codenames of the planned probes, which is trivia. The rest is duplicated by this US government source.

Some enthusiasts may be interested in the spacecraft internal codenames and other technical details available in the forum posting, but it's my feeling that it doesn't really assist in encyclopaedic understanding of the topic, so I'd feel comfortable removing the codenames and the user-generated source. Folly Mox (talk) 21:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. I'll go on and remove it. Renerpho (talk) 22:55, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Categories

QUESTION: How can I remove an article from a maintenance category that is generated from a template? Thanks in advance! Professor Penguino (talk) 05:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Just remove the template? It would be easier to answer if we knew the name of the article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

It's the maintenance category at "American Revolutionary War articles needing infoboxes." The last article in the category has an infobox now (which I added) and I want to make sure the category is up-to-date. Professor Penguino (talk) 00:52, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Once you fix all issues related to it, you may just remove the template. Though I would be careful about removing certain ones like neutrality and BLP violations unless you are sure about it. ✶Mitch199811✶ 11:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Unable to post an article because of inexperience

Hello! I was able to make a draft for Mohamed Al-Mashay (head of gecol Libya) and wanted to see if there was anyone who could help me finish the article to have it published in my goal of getting people from the Libyan government representation on Wikipedia.. Mohamedabaids (talk) 22:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Mohamed Al-Mashay Tollens (talk) 22:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

{{Helpme}}

request ^ Mohamedabaids (talk) 00:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@mohamedabaids: not what the helpme template is for. i've deactivated it.

and we will not write articles for you. ltbdl (talk) 00:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mohamedabaids: You added the {{helpme}} template on your own talk page, and I provided some thoughts there. GoingBatty (talk) 01:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Error for publishing after translation

Hi. I translated a page and want to publish my draft but i have an error. " Automatic edit filters have identified problematic content in your translation. Filter hit: All namespace abuse " I've checked and corrected what I thought was a problem (too many spaces) but I still have the same error, I admit I don't know what's blocking it. How do I know which part is the problem? Thank you Ghost In The Shell (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ghost in The Shell, and welcome to the Teahouse. That appears to Edit filter 906 "All namespace abuse", but I can't find it in the filter log, and the content of that filter is hidden, so I don't know what it is about your draft. It won't be anything to do with spaces (namespace is a technical term).

What is the article you're translating from, and how are you doing the translation? ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I suggest you copy the content into a text editor, and then paste chunks from there into the edit box and publish it, say, one paragraph at a time. That should enable you to identify the offending passage. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:28, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ghost In The Shell, before you go further, I assume you realise that the article Anissa Kate was deleted following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anissa Kate and has now been deleted three times, as seen here where it is suggested that you contact the deleting admin. Arjayay (talk) 17:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi.

I saw this talk.

I'm very surprised that this conversation about the legitimacy of awards in porn has led to the deletion of this page (SouthernNights didn't even bother to reply to my contest).

There are a lot of wiki pages about actresses that can be deleted for the same reasons, but which are still there.

I was just quoting some of them.

There's a double standard here that I'd like to understand.

Thanks Ghost In The Shell (talk) 20:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ghost In The Shell: See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. When you see other articles that need work, you may improve them, add maintenance templates, start a conversation on the talk page, nominate them for deletion, or just ignore them. GoingBatty (talk) 01:16, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

wikipedia hover pop up showing old vandalised version of article

I was on an article and hovered on Jen Richard's wikipedia page link and the little text preview shows the text "Jen Richards is an American writer, actor, producer, and activist. It’s a man baby!!" which is from an edit by 173.242.244.130 on 05:15, 28 September 2023. The wikipedia history for Jen Richard's page shows that Jake01756 reverted that edit on 05:16, 28 September 2023, as it's clearly a transphobic troll (difference between revisions) . When you are on Jen Richard's page, the correct text ("Jen Richards is an American writer, actress, producer, and activist.") shows up, but when you hover over a link to her page on a different wikipedia page, for example on the Her Story wikipedia page, the edit by 173.242.244.130 is the one that shows on the little popup. Does anyone know how to fix this? Tangerine778 (talk) 02:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tangerine778: It's a server cache thing. Per mw:Page Previews#FAQ's ("The Page Previews continues to show an old version of a page. What can I do?") question, the way to solve that is to do a <manual purge> of the page in question. Someone must have done it (or the cache caught up), since as I was about to do it the preview already changed. – 2804:F14:80BD:BF01:D85F:3C72:7CA4:BA29 (talk) 02:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

oh ok, thanks so much for the help! Tangerine778 (talk) 02:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing conflict

I just commenced a new draft stub of an article entitled Vishnu Yamala (Sanskrit literature) on my user page and I have an editing conflict. Someone is deliberately messing up my inclusions and editing on this draft article page. How can I stop this from happening and resolve the issue? B9Joker108 (talk) 16:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

No-one's deliberately disrupting your edits. If you look at the page history, a bot made one edit to add that the page is a draft. Chances are, no-ones going to edit it again until you've submitted it.

To resolve the issue, it's best to open the draft in a separate tab and copy-and-past your edits. For more info, see this guide Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 16:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

B9Joker108 The "Securing a manuscript" section should be deleted. Wikipedia articles are not instructions or 'how-to'. Likewise, the Disclaimer section. Do not submit unless you can provide references. David notMD (talk) 01:32, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

It is really just a call to action for me. It won't make it into the final edit. Why are you being nosy and having a look at my draft document? *giggle* B9Joker108 (talk) 05:05, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Why do some new articles remain invisible to external search?

New articles get indexed by Google fairly quickly, but sometimes they remain unsearchable from outside Wikipedia without any visible problem for weeks. A case in point - Dmytro Kushneruk. How does this happen and should anything be done about this? Thx Trzb (talk) 08:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Trzb: New articles are prevented by default from being indexed by search engines for 90 days after being created in order to ensure that the article is suitable for publication before most readers are able to find it. If a new article is patrolled, it is immediately allowed to be indexed regardless of its age. See WP:INDEXING for more detailed information. Tollens (talk) 08:27, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Got it. Thank you Trzb (talk) 08:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Thoughts on this post perhaps please, thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nokia_7260 Dscarbon333 (talk) 21:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

You have improved the referencing since it was last declined on August. I know nothing about the topic, so cannot comment on notability. David notMD (talk) 22:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you my friend :). Dscarbon333 (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dscarbon333 The grammar and wording of parts, e.g. beginning that arguably sort of defined the aesthetic of said line of phones. The design of the phone is also arguably.... is terrible, as another editor already commented. Please make the wording more encyclopaedic. Who made that argument: you? If so that's not allowed and if someone else, you need to cite them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

References

How do I get my references right? Rhodji (talk) 10:04, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can learn more about referencing by reading Referencing for Beginners. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

If you're using the Visual Editor (which may be easier for new users), check out WP:INTREFVE. Qcne (talk) 11:04, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia disinfo

I was reading a certain article on Wiki, and I found that for some reason, the author had included opinions rather than facts. This was a subject that was meant to be factual but instead became muddied by political opinion.

As I progressed through reading different articles I began to see a pattern - that Wikipedia was becoming affected by political narratives.

One could probably understand why I found this ALARMING. I tried to contact someone about my concerns - I was very polite about it... But for some strange reason, I ended up being BANNED from even using Wikipedia with my account. I found that even stranger, because I am very courteous and follow proper etiquette in communication, always.

So my question is - are Wikipedia articles continuing to be allowed to be affected by political opinion or narratives? Does anyone attempt to prevent such things?

It's one thing to read about facts... It's quite another to find opinions being proffered as facts, or used to color articles in a slanted way. I used to have great respect for Wikipedia - but after my experience, I completely stopped using it.

The reason I am writing today is because I saw the donation page today, and was reminded that once upon a time I was a donor. Small contributions, but l thought it important and Wikipedia to be worth donating. I no longer feel this way because of my somewhat recent experiences - which happened around 2020/21. During all the political chaos of that time. When I saw politics creeping in to what WAS a beautiful thing, well... Broke my heart. Was just wondering if anything has changed since then. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Ro Roalive (talk) 18:56, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, this is a big problem on Wikipedia. The reasons for it are many, and complex. I think the core problem is the way sources are cited on articles about politics. Articles about politics from "reliable sources" are treated as having an objectivity analogous to scientific papers, which is not the right way to write about politics, and leads to a lot of confusion. Another problem is that there is not much diversity of political viewpoint on Wikipedia, so people assume that their opinions are "facts", because everyone around them mirrors their general worldview. Another problem is that there is far too low of a threshold for making political statements in Wikivoice.

It's good that you've noticed this problem, but unfortunately, general complaints won't change anything. The problem will take a massive amount of work to fix, and there's currently very little will to fix it. Do you have a specific list of articles that you think are affected by political narratives? Pecopteris (talk) 19:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, a couple of points here:

• You couldn't have known this beforehand, but block evasion is considered a serious issue on Wikipedia
• Neutrality is one of our fundamental principles and needs to be upheld in articles.
• In theory, all editors qua editors should be fixing point-of-view issues on sight and/or notifying other users of the issue.

If you provide an example of such an article, I can try to help. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 19:08, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Roalive, you are not allowed to create a new account in order to evade a block on a previous account (unless it has expired?). You should stop editing from this account and appeal the block from your original account. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 19:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Roalive, what is your original account name? I'd like to see the edits you made that led to your ban. Perhaps it's not appropriate for Roalive to reply to this comment - does anyone else know what their original account name is? Pecopteris (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia had articles related to politics before 2020. You may or may not find this article interesting:[18] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

• OP blocked for sock puppetry. 331dot (talk) 12:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

citing syndication of a book excerpt

Time Magazine syndicated a book excerpt, but I don't know which page numbers. How should I cite it? Thanks. rootsmusic (talk) 18:28, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Rootsmusic. The excerpt can be found in the preview of the book on google books here: [1]. It doesn't show the page number, but I'll see what I can find online. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 20:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Disregard that, the excerpt seems to be from various pages throughout the book. In that case, it would be best just to cite the Time article. However, if you're only using a specific section of the article, I may be able to find the page number. My library has an ebook version of the book I was able to borrow. In the future, if you need access to various resources, Wikipedia:Resource Requests is very helpful. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 20:55, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic: Please see WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT. Unless you are able to get access to a copy of the Bowden/Teague book and read the passage there, you must cite the Time Web page as your source for any information or quotations you use in a WP article. I don't see any problem with using that source. Deor (talk) 12:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Question for citations with books

Hello,

Just had a quick question and hopefully I can word it so you can articulate it.

I wanted to know if citations are required for articles [Like this one] because the articles are about books (which are self-published), and to me, I think there should be reliable sources for that kind of information.

Thanks, TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 22:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: Welcome to the Teahouse! Citations are required for every Wikipedia article. Citations are what demonstrate whether books (or any other topic) meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". The specific criteria for books can be found at WP:NBOOKS. Independent published reliable sources such as book reviews would be great citations. Thanks for asking, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:05, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Thought so, thank you. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 12:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Among other reasons, you’d need sources to satisfy WP:LISTN. Strictly, they don’t need to be in the article, but it’s on the person who wants the article to stay to prove notability, not the hypothetical drafter or deletion nominator. Mach61 (talk) 01:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Help with My userpage

How do i get rid of the annoying space between my userboxes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Teddythedev Teddythedev (talk) 15:39, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Teddythedev fixed Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

concern about pages

If i were to create a page for a personal project (i.e. Ted), Where should i put it? Teddythedev (talk) 15:51, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Teddythedev: You wouldn't. See WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a web host. RudolfRed (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Unnecessary images in articles

Hi there,

In what situations is an image useful to include in an article, and on what grounds is there justification for removing images from articles?

I am currently editing the Helensburgh article and have found a couple images to not be particularly purposeful. Bill Wilson AKA "CIA" (talk) 10:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images and remove the uninformative images with your rationale in the edit summary. If anyone objects, discuss it on the article talk page per WP:BRD. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

The picture of cherry blossom could be anywhere, there's nothing in it that informs the reader about Helensburgh. Maproom (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Why was my content removed?

Hello house, I while ago I added an external link to several pages related to obsessive–compulsive disorder. The link I added is of an evidence-based and clinical content source which is relevant to the treatment and management of obsessive–compulsive disorder, and refers to contemporary scientific literature in the field (see here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/relationship-ocd). I was surprised to find out that the link was removed by an editor and marked as spam. I contacted the editor by email asking to learn why was it removed but received no response. After a while I raised the question on the editor's talk page but they deleted my question without replying. I'd appreciate any ideas about how to try and understand why was this source removed or how to manage to have the relevant editor replying my question. Cheers! Ran Littman (talk) 15:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@ran littman: you are trying to link to articles you have written. that is indeed spam. ltbdl (talk) 15:52, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ran, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'll give you a slightly more nuanced answer than Ltbdl. Referencing your own work is regarded as editing with a conflict of interest, and frowned on: you are strongly preferred to submit edit requests, so that uninvolved editors can judge whether the reference is appropriate.

Secondly, adding a link to several pages is always suspicious behaviour, and if it is to your own work, it is regarded as spam (even if the links are not to a commercial site). ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Appears that all of the references you added (to your own research) were each a report on a clinical trial. Individual clinical trials do not meet the medical/health ref standards described at WP:MEDRS. Hence all reverted. David notMD (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

ColinFine David notMD: Right. Thank you for those clarifications. Ran Littman (talk) 21:18, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding "next_year" to album infobox

Hi there, I'm trying to add a "next_year" entry to the infobox on History of Iran Narrated by Setar, but each time I do, I get an error message saying "String Module Error: Match not found". I can't figure out why this is happening. Could you please help? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 21:03, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Revirvikodlaku. It may be a bug; but reading Template:Infobox album#Chronology, it seems to me that that parameter is only supposed to be used in a discography, to link the albums, and it doesn't make any sense for a single album in an article. ColinFine (talk) 22:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @ColinFine, thanks for your response. Based on my reading of Template:Infobox album#Chronology as well as my experience with dozens of studio album pages, it is my understanding that the parameters are used with every album infobox, assuming there is a preceding and succeeding release. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 23:00, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I've actually figured out what was causing the error: the album in question doesn't have a release year, which prevents me from adding a release year for the subsequent album in the infobox. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 23:04, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you list all the tags like boldface?

Put a list for tags like Boldface Subsections? HomeyComix (talk) 23:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@HomeyComix: Check out Help:Wikitext, I think it has what you're looking for RudolfRed (talk) 23:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Which out of the two are more reliable?

https://web.archive.org/web/20230929191650/https://www.resso.com/artist/Jenna-Rose-6578489496432547848 or https://web.archive.org/web/20230930003554/https://deadorkicking.com/jenna-rose-swerdlow-dead-or-alive/ ? Thatsoddd (talk) 01:09, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Thatsoddd: Questions about reliable sources should be posted at WP:RSN RudolfRed (talk) 01:25, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Citation errors: ref duplicates

I am getting citation errors for a source that appears in a Bibliography section of the John Brown (abolitionist) article and is also used as a source. For the source, I am putting the source in the "Sources" section (following References). I am getting messages at the citation level.

I tried adding ref={{sfnref|Hinton|1894}} to the source, but am still getting error messages:

• {{cite book}}: CS1 maint: ref duplicates default (link) in the Sources section
• sfn error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFHinton1894 (help) for each citation in the References section.

Can you help me figure out what to do? Thanks so much!–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:33, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

User:CaroleHenson, User:DuncanHill removed one instance of the duplicated source, which resolved the second issue. I removed the |ref= parameter duplicating the default value, which resolved the first issue. Was there a reason the source needed to be listed in both "Bibliography" and "Sources" subheadings? If you need it to be in both sections, one should hold the parameter |ref=none, so the {{sfnp}} links know where to jump. Folly Mox (talk) 01:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your feedback, Folly Mox. I have not known of |ref=none - great tip!

Regarding the Bibliography, which has duplicate sources that are used in the Reference and Sources in the article, my take is the duplication is not needed. I have thought of making a separate Bibliography page for John Brown. Another option is to removed the Bibliography and put sources not used in the article's citations in Further reading... and just have sources used once in the article.

I'll open that up for discussion on the talk page.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Skins (and table header rows)

I’ve been using Wikipedia for years, but only realised this month that there is a choice of skins – I mean, until I noticed someone talking about them, how would I have know they existed?!

Since then, I tried a couple of alternative skins, and could see no difference whatever in what I was seeing. Are they all very similar to each other?

Also, the most desirable feature (or me) that I saw mentioned as being in the latest skins is the fact that the header row of a table will "freeze" at the top of the screen so it’s always visible. So useful for long tables! BUT, it doesn’t work in Firefox for Windows, my preferred desktop browser; and it doesn’t seen to work in Chrome for Android, my preferred mobile browser. (I saw the Firefox issue mentioned, but not the Chrome-for-Android one; I also realise that it’s probably the fault of the browser.) Which browsers support this, which will it work in? (I’ll install an alternative browser just to use Wikipedia if it makes the tables easier to navigate!) Spel-Punc-Gram (talk) 13:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Spel-Punc-Gram The vector 2010 and (current default) vector 2022 skins are different enough that there was a furore when the latter was introduced. To freeze table header rows, you need to set this up in your preferences at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets: there's a comment there about which browsers it works with. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm learning a lot in the Teahouse: I didn't know that Wikipedia had user settings 😎.

Maybe I'm being obtuse, but I couldn't see the difference when I chose the vector 2010 one. Can you describe one of the major differences, and I'll try again? Spel-Punc-Gram (talk) 01:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Spel-Punc-Gram Please see Vector 2022. One major difference is that the WP:LEAD section of articles in vector 2010 appears immediately above an inline table-of-contents, whereas in vector 2022 the TOC moves to its own separate column to the left of the article. There are numerous other differences, including the positioning (and functionality) of the search box. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:17, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Help formatting source

Hello! I was wondering if someone could help me as I don't know how to properly format a source on this article. Reference number 1 is linked to an intext citation in the infobox but I don't know how to fix it from being just a bare link in the references section.

Thanks TenToe (talk) 12:47, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@TenToe The correct template for sources like that is {{cite web}}. See the linked template page for the parameters it takes, which includes the author, date published and website. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:Visual Editor makes adding citations intuitive. I suggest you try it. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:11, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

How can I start editing?

I want to give information about sepsis as a result of insufficient eficacy of commonly used antiseptics in root canals N2nisse (talk) 16:13, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, N2nisse, and welcome to the Teahouse.

In principle, you can simply start editing an article: if somebody disagrees with your edit, they will revert it, and then you can have a discussion on the article's talk page. See WP:BRD.

However, in general, anything you add must be supported by reliable published sources, not simply from your own experience; and in medical areas the requirement is stronger: see WP:MEDRS.

So, in short, if you are intending to add information from a published source that meets MEDRS, then please go ahead and add it. (But if you think your addition might be controversial, even if it is supported by such a source, then it would be advisable to discuss it on the article's talk page first).

If you are intending to add information from your own experience or observation, or your own ideas, then I'm afraid that would count as original research, and not be accepted anywhere in Wikipedia.

In the middle ground, if you have information from a published source, but that doesn't meet the strict requirements of MEDRS, you could open a discussion on the Talk page of the relevant article, anbd see if somebody else can find a suitable citation for it. ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Music

Hello, I'm here on the wiki's aspiring to add some music to this place. Just wondering once this music is made, if I'm supposed to upload it here first? and if so where do I make these posts? 2A02:C7E:5C31:F000:BCA7:3B40:1E54:B6C (talk) 18:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi there and welcome - you don't. Please see WP:NOTFB and WP:NOTFILESTORAGE. However, good luck on your music making, and feel free to contribute by adding on to articles! NotAGenious (talk) 18:25, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

main page

I do miss that the RANDOM ARTICLE is no longer present on the page. But behind the menu dropdown, it would be really nice to put it back on the main page 24.182.59.25 (talk) 18:26, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

The random article link SHOULD be present in the navigation toolbar on the left, but thanks to the (redacted by self) Vector2022 skin, it's hidden behind some bloody drop-down for non-editors. It's particularly inane that it isn't even on the main page. I will start a discussion that this be corrected. Edward-Woodrow • talk 18:33, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Talk:Main_Page § Random_page_link? Edward-Woodrow • talk 18:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1201. IP editor, you can have it show indefinitely on the left-hand side if you click on the in the top-left corner, then click on Move to sidebar. You may need to create an account to keep it that way, though. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:09, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

facts

Why can people remove facts that you add to a page? Artapples (talk) 19:32, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Anyone can edit articles and remove statements if they feel that it is unnecessary. Cwater1 (talk) 20:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Your edit here [19] added unsourced content which I reverted, we are not interested in "facts" unless they are supported by a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 20:25, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Barnstars

Is there a specific place where one can request barnstars be designed? Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:38, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

BeanieFan11, welcome to Wikipedia! You can request them on this page. Best, — Frostly (talk) 21:30, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Translation question/Moving a draft

Hello teahouse-heads. I come here today to ask a question relating to translation. I am currently working on a draft (Draft:Fuskichelcher) and one of the users helping me to improve the page suggested (this) as a source. I am unfortunately unable to use either of my usual tricks to translate this article, as google autotranslate did not activate, it appears to have copy-paste blocking, and I cannot extract the text with inspect element. Is there a way to avoid manual translation here? Also, I have been suggested moving the draft to "Verwurelter" as the more common name, but have not yet found the page that explains how to do so. Could a user please point me there? Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 14:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@UnexpectedSmoreInquisition Google books won't let me inspect the first of the two snippets which mention Verwurelter but the second part is too short to make a decent source. Basically it just says (in French) on p.198 "it's sugar and choux pastry cooked in the deep fryer". Don't worry about the moving of the draft: the accepting reviewer can move it to the correct place. If you move it now, there is a danger that redirects will be left all over the place. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers. Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 02:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition, take a screenshot of the page you're tryna autotranslate, then use google lens to extract the text from the screenshot. The extracted text can be pasted into a translation inputbox. (Google lens is built into the photos app that came standard on my Android device; unknown how to activate it if your setup differs.) Folly Mox (talk) 22:28, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

As an aside, you won't be able to cite that source in an article. It's self-published through lulu.com. Folly Mox (talk) 22:30, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I just remembered I installed that (google translate camera/app), but as you and Mike mentioned, the source is apparently invalid. Will use that more in this situation if/when it comes up again. Cheers! Nobody expects the UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk)! 02:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Issue with cast

Hello, there is an issue with adding Edward Hayter in the cast of Will (TV series) ,his name always get removed by the same user even if his page exist and is notable. How can the issue stop by being removed and add him to the cast? The user now trying to delete his page while 3 users worked on his page to prove his notability and are reviewers. Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox Did you already have a discussion with the user? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 23:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I tried to but they just keep going and going and never ends Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:47, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I stopped responding because its out of hands now Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay, In my view, I would suggest going to WP:ANI TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 23:51, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok ill go there, thanks Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah no problem, if that doesn't work, I would suggest waiting for someone else to answer this question. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

OK thanks again, I also sent on the talk pages of the users who proved his notability about whats happening but have no idea when they will see Veganpurplefox (talk) 00:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

you suggest going THERE? ltbdl (talk) 00:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, Veganpurplefox, that wasn't great advice. I suggest reverting yourself at ANI before anyone responds. ANI is a place of last resort, and it's about reporting user conduct issues, not about settling content disputes. See instead the options recommended at WP:DR. Cheers, Generalrelative (talk) 00:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

it's got a bunch of responses already...

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User MrOllie ltbdl (talk) 03:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I was told to come back here to see that more comments had been added so where do you refer me to? How can this issue stop? Veganpurplefox (talk) 09:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

maybe it's not an issue. ltbdl (talk) 11:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

It is an issue, they accuse me of owning more that 1 account and im tired of being accused of things i havent done so can someone please compare our IP addresses so they will now believe me. Im just done being patient cause when i thought this was resolved as well as a supposed COI, it still on me and no one even if i put it on my userpage believe me. And i need help so this will all stop. Veganpurplefox (talk) 14:10, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Veganpurplefox, the best and most difficult step to take right now is to trust the process. MrOllie has stated an intent to open an AfD on the Edward Hayter article once he has time to review the sources. Maybe the sourcing will satisfy his sensibilities. If not, and the article goes to AfD, the community will have at least seven days to make a collective determination as to whether or not the article is appropriate for encyclopaedic inclusion. If the article is kept after AfD, it will be appropriate to relink to the Will (TV series) article. If not, then maybe a bit later in Hayter's career you'll be able to have the article undeleted and expand it with new reliable information that establishes notability.

In any case, the thing to do now is take a step back, breathe, and work on something else for awhile. Folly Mox (talk) 13:27, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Folly Mox. I was going to leave a message on your talk page saying more or less the same thing until I read this comment. Take a deep breathe. Step back. Allow the process to work itself out. Ultimately, it's not worth losing any peace over. --ARoseWolf 13:32, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Anyway ill focus on watching Will. But that user could have check out the sources in Hayter's page inseted of believing hes not notable. And i need proof that im not the same user of Vesyray. Can someone direct me to the next step on how it is possible that someone compares our ip adress so they now will believe me i dont own more than 1 account. I just need the proff Veganpurplefox (talk) 14:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Veganpurplefox, I'm afraid that is not possible. Wikipedia's technical logs only store information like IP addresses of named users for ninety days. Vesyray has not edited in around two hundred days as of this timestamp, so the information is gone. I'll note that only one user has stated they suspect you to have operated the Vesyray account, and no investigation has been filed. Folly Mox (talk) 06:02, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia's technical logs only store information like IP addresses of named users for ninety days.

...no? ltbdl (talk) 10:49, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

meta:CheckUser policy#CheckUser status: This information is only stored for a short period (currently 90 days), so edits made prior to that will not be shown via the CheckUser tool. Folly Mox (talk) 14:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

huh, never knew that ltbdl (talk) 03:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Hindi or Urdu Wikinews

Why isn't there a Hindi or Urdu version of Wikinews? 2601:644:907E:A450:1074:8FDC:B93F:8C23 (talk) 00:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

There is no reason to have either on this English-Language Wikipedia. Whether or not there are equivalents on the [Hindi] and [Urdu ] Wikipedias, those projects are separate and independent from en-Wikipedia, so it is a matter for them. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.212.130.182 (talk) 01:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

But Wikinews is separate from Wikipedia and there is an English Wikinews, https://en.wikinews.org . 2601:644:907E:A450:DA8:1E6D:3E0C:EB (talk) 01:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

See meta:Requests for new languages/Wikinews Hindi and meta:Requests for new languages/Wikinews Urdu. GoingBatty (talk) 02:16, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

That is weird, there are comments from 2008 for both of them, but Wikinews still doesn't exist in those languages? 2601:644:907E:A450:2186:C9C7:8C75:CC5E (talk) 02:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

There probably isn't enough interest in creating one. It will need many dedicated editors to start. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:54, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

English Wikinews is almost moribund, while English Wikipedia is thriving and doing a far better job covering the news in an encyclopedic way. Wikipedia is a top ten website worldwide with billions of monthly pageviews, and Wikinews is ranked #62,672. Why would anybody work to replicate a failed project in Hindi or Urdu? Cullen328 (talk) 03:56, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey, what's going on?

There's a problem here.

‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 22:16, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I was able to get here by typing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse directly into my browser. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 22:17, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

What's also weird is that the error comes up so far when I test "Maroon 5" but not "Apple", "Human" or "Benedict Arnold". ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 22:21, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

It happens and clears up later. It's normal. Small maintenance outage. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:37, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

This was also posted at the technical village pump and my comments in that thread also apply here. Graham87 (talk) 06:54, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

External links requiring copying into the search bar instead of clicking

Hello! I was recently working a bit on the Flag of San Marino Wikipedia and noticed the 1st external link, titled "Law on the flag and coat of arms of San Marino" and linked to this only downloads a file if the link is copied into the space bar, and if it is simply clicked, it closes immediately upon opening with no download. Is there a protocol for this? I have checked WP:EL with no avail. Thank you! Rafaelmanman (talk) 21:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Rafaelmanman. This sounds like a browser issue. It works fine for me (using Firefox). ColinFine (talk) 22:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, I see that now. Thanks for the quick response. Rafaelmanman (talk) 22:47, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Do you know if there is a specific template to mark link notes related to browsers or if {{link note}} is the best method? Thanks again. Rafaelmanman (talk) 22:16, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea. It sounds to me like a bug somewhere, but whether in Wikimedia, in a browser, or in your browser configuration, I don't know. ColinFine (talk) 17:08, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

My edits in Psychedelic drug. Why they have been removed if Psychedelic therapy poses risks and we know the history of it?

why did my edits in Psychedelic drug page got removed. Psychedelic therapy is not safe. And it poses some risks and we need to talk about that. There were cases where people in Psychedelic therapy have mental health worse and even psychologists are now criticising It. We know where it went in 60s and I don't want society full of esoterics who believe Mind over body. Or people that their mental health got worse after going through it. Risks should never be hidden and underestimated, we should openly talk about them Matejstein12 (talk) 11:35, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The information you added was completely unreferenced. All information in Wikipedia must be reliably sourced. Please see WP:42. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Just going to add that articles about medical matters tend to be even more highly scrutinized and require even stronger sourcing as explained here that perhaps is required for other types of articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

but Will be there some balanced information about this therapy, because psychedelic drugs are still unpredictable. If I cannot add that, will you? Because people need to have information why yes and Why no. If there is no balanced info, it Feels like they want turn us into mystics so we can be more easily manipulated. So there should definitely be balanced information about psychedelics and therapy part Matejstein12 (talk) 15:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

We're very much in favour of balanced information. Per WP:42 you simply need to find significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

but someone really should add risks associated with psychedelic therapy. No one can't be just silent about that like if they didn't exist. If there are professional editors than they should add benefits and risks. Matejstein12 (talk) 16:34, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

No one is silent about them I promise. If you actually went to somewhere that provided psychedelic therapy, they would strongly advise it as a last resort and for people who are extremely resistant to other forms of treatment and they definitely warn them of the risks. And if someone wants psychedelics purely for therapeutic aspect of it then they should talk to a doctor about the risks first and not just take drugs on the street. 173.219.151.2 (talk) 13:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Matejstein12: Too often new editors think that "balanced information" means "equal weight to all sides". No, it doesn't. That's WP:FALSEBALANCE. We don't "balance" our article on Earth to include the views of flat-earth adherants, for example. Information in the article should be presented according to the weight given by reliable sources. As a consequence, WP:FRINGE views typically don't get presented in articles. If you want to add something to an article, you need to find a reliable source that covers it. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

but psychedelic therapy has a risks. This is supposed to talk about it, not being silent about it. There must be Open minded information about benefits and risks. So if Someone can do that, Then he or she should. Matejstein12 (talk) 16:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Once you have appropriate sources, you may do so. Not before. 331dot (talk) 16:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

As someone who's had some incredibly powerful psychedelic experiences, both positive and (potentially) negative, I'm sympathetic to OP's concern, even though he's not a Wikilawyer.

I also believe that there are situations where important and valuable information falls through the cracks due to Wikipedia's idiosyncratic sourcing requirements. This could be an example. The statement "taking psychedelics is risky" is not even in the same universe as "the earth is flat", so I reject that analogy and reject the invocation of WP:FALSEBALANCE. Go take 1000ug of LSD and then tell me that concerns about psychological safety are "fringe". Psychedelics do, indeed, have the capacity to be very dangerous, and anyone who's experimented with them at high doses knows this for a fact, whether or not any "RS" says it - which, if they don't, is very negligent and irresponsible of them.

Over the years, I've been a trip sitter many, many times. If someone asked me for advice about tripping, and I painted a picture as rosy as the one the Wikipedia article paints, that would be recklessly irresponsible of me. It would be a shame if someone took psychedelics unwisely because of an overly-cheery Wikipedia article about the topic, and I'd be almost tempted to invoke WP:IAR if there was no mention of the dangers of psychedelics in the "psychedelic drug" article.

Passages like this one in the lede are of particular concern: " Research has been conducted, however, and studies show that psychedelics are physiologically safe and rarely lead to addiction." - physiologically safe, sure, but this makes no mention of the fact that you may be psychologically devastated for weeks, months, or years if you take these things improperly.

However, the "psychedelic therapy" subsection of the psychedelic drug page does include the following passage: "As of 2022, the body of high-quality evidence on psychedelic therapy remains relatively small and more, larger studies are needed to reliably show the effectiveness and safety of psychedelic therapy's various forms and applications."

This is, at least, an acknowledgement that there are unresolved safety concerns that necessitate further scientific study. Also, there is an entire section called "adverse effects" here.

I think a concrete improvement that can be made to the article to address OP's well-founded concerns is to include a mention of the "Adverse effects" section in the lede, rather than only presenting positive information in the lede. These adverse effects would ideally be mentioned directly after the passage that states "psychedelics are physiologically safe. Pecopteris (talk) 19:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pecopteris, feel free to start working on such improvements at the article, or at least to start a talk page discussion about making such improvements (as opposed to carrying on such a discussion here at the Teahouse, where interested parties are less likely to take notice, and to avoid splitting discussion across multiple pages). 57.140.16.29 (talk) 19:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Good point. I've started a new section at the article's talk page. I invite everyone to move the conversation to that thread. Pecopteris (talk) 19:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you for supporting me Matejstein12 (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Question about a redirect

Hello,

I was wondering if there was a redirect link, specifically pertaining good and bad advice when replying to someone on Wikipedia if they needed help. I was trying to find one for about 20 minutes but then gave up. Much help would be appreciated.

Thanks! TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 19:10, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: You might try Wikipedia:Help desk/How to answer - I'm not personally aware of any exact matches for what you're asking, but that page has some good advice. Tollens (talk) 19:33, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Tollens, I will check it out. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 19:51, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Deleting a photo in a draft

Could someone please delete the photo I have in my draft: Draft:The Glass Harmonica (film) - Wikipedia I didn't get the copyright information right, so I will re-upload it correctly. The photo is under the "Plot" tab. Thank you! Welcome back bro (talk) 20:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Photo removed. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:51, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Work or Help Board

Is there a place where you can post work to do where contributors who are looking for work can check out if they have time and are looking for ways to help out? This would be in main space. Thanks. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:26, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@FieldMarine We already have a task centre with multiple subsets of suggestions. I guess that for some of them (e.g. foreign-language articles needing translation to English) you could add a suggestion but most are based on tags found on articles. Note that "main space" is the area where all our articles exist. The work suggestions would be in talk space or wp: space. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:14, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Mike. The task center looks like a great place to go. Is it possible to add Overpopulated cats to the Categorization task on the task center? In other words, if a cat is tagged as overpopulated, that would be a good one to direct people to that are looking to help out. Perhaps there is a container for all overpopulated cats? Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 13:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

As the owner of two moggies, I had to think hard about that! The task centre doesn't seem to be structured in a way that would readily accommodate that sort of suggestion. If you wanted to ask people to work on certain overpopulated categories you would, presumably, post at the local Project Talk Page: see WP:CATP for Project and how editors use its Talk Pages to interact there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:01, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

There does exist the container Category:Overpopulated categories, and Special:RandomInCategory/Overpopulated_categories works in the way I think User:FieldMarine is looking for. Wikipedia talk:Task Center would be the place to suggest adding such a link to the {{job description}} where |title=Categorization. Folly Mox (talk) 20:58, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding/Verifying subscription only articles

Some services require paid subscription. If a webpage is used as a reference in wiki article it's not possible to verify it. How can I deal with? Should I pay for the article? Aredoros87 (talk) 11:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@Aredoros87 It is perfectly acceptable to use sources that are behind a paywall (see WP:PAYWALL). That's no different than using a book source where the reader would have to purchase or borrow the book to verify the information. We have a resource exchange where you can request access to a source you think may be useful so you can read it. Many editors are members of The Wikipedia Library which gives access to otherwise paywalled material: see that link for the requirements to join. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@Aredoros87 - Sometimes you can see an unpaid version of the full article at the Wayback Machine. Happy reading! GoingBatty (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

DYK Question (yeah, another one…)

My submission to DYK was approved as GTG (Good To Go). My question is: is there anything else I need to do to move it forward in the process, or is it all set? Professor Penguino (talk) 03:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

@Professor Penguino: you do not need to do anything else. In some cases an issue might come up, but if that happens you will be notified/pinged for that. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:25, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Just wanted to double-check to make sure. Professor Penguino (talk) 03:38, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Updating website sources to include an archived copy

Is there a standard way to list both a link to a website and an archived copy of the website on the Wayback Machine in a citation? PermeateTheMasses (talk) 03:38, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Disregard this. I figured it out on my own. PermeateTheMasses (talk) 04:12, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

@PermeateTheMasses: Well, I'll reply anyway because I already did when I encountered an edit conflict from your last comment! Yes, properly formatted citations of archive links should do this already. The "url=" parameter is the original website link, and the "archive-url=" parameter is the archive link. This also requires an "archive-date=" parameter to work. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:13, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Dianne Feinstein

Both LA Times and San Francisco Chronicle are both saying that she died on Friday morning.

However, AP is saying that she died on Thursday evening.

Which is the correct date? 174.196.201.204 (talk) 19:39, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

It would appear they are both correct (AP used "Thursday night", not "Thursday evening"). From what I can tell, she died at approximately 2 a.m. Friday morning, which is also Thursday night (though that wording is misleading). Tollens (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens: They can both be correct depending on the time zone. In the United States, 2 AM Friday morning in Washington DC (where Feinstein worked) is still 11 PM Thursday night in California (where Feinstein lived). If that is the case, it seems odd that California publications would use an eastern time unless she actually died in that geographic time zone. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:17, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I hadn't even considered that! It appears she died in Washington, so that would make sense. Looks like the AP report was also written in LA, so you're probably right that it's just time zones. Tollens (talk) 04:31, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Wrong title

Why article Irani Cup 2023-24 is not titled as Irani Cup 2023 or 2023 Irani Cup? It is just a one of match. I suggest all the article of Irani Cup season should be name in this format "Year tournament name" - eg Irani Cup 2023. Tesla car owner (talk) 15:14, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Tesla car owner - There is no such article as Irani Cup 2023-24, and as far as I can see, there never has been. All of the articles on that competition, from the 2012–13 Irani Cup onward, are in the same format. If you think they all should be changed, then please start a discussion at Talk:Irani Cup and see how much support there is for your idea. - Arjayay (talk) 15:38, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

2013 Irani Cup isn't named the way others edition articles are and 2012-13 Irani Cup and 2013-14 Irani Cup article are present, then where this 2013 IC article fits in timeline? Tesla car owner (talk) 10:30, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

The 2013 Irani cup seems to be in a unique place as there were two Irani cups that year. Therefore it is in-between 2012–2013 and 2013–2014. It fits as it is but shouldn't be the norm. ✶Mitch199811✶ 11:17, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

It looks like the 2023–24 Irani Cup is the common name for the event looking at the sources. ✶Mitch199811✶ 18:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Reviews for articles we had started on: Is there a grade and so on?

Reviews for articles we had started on: Is there a grade and so on? Starlighsky (talk) 00:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

@Starlighsky: I assume you're referencing a notification such as the one in this picture? If so, being reviewed means that an editor has read the article and decided it meets the core content policies - there won't be any written comments anywhere. The only immediate change you might notice soon is that the article might appear in search results, as they are now able to see the page (though it could take a little while). Tollens (talk) 01:07, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks. Starlighsky (talk) 01:20, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

We? --Onorem (talk) 04:31, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

As in we the writers who received the notice that the article was reviewed. Starlighsky (talk) 11:26, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Talk pages

I am a new user in Wikipedia. How do I add citations and how do I use talk pages? I feel overwhelmed.Thanks a lot if you could help :) Researchrush (talk) 13:33, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

@Researchrush, I would advise you to read WP:CITE and H:TALK. Hope that helps. Toadette ^{(let's chat together)} 13:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Researchrush, welcome to the Teahouse!

I'd recommend the Visual Editor for new users- it is a lot easier than using markup language to edit Wikipedia. There's a really good tutorial for referencing with it at WP:INTREFVE. Qcne (talk) 14:51, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Researchrush! I would recommend this brief introduction to Wikipedia. Happy editing and welcome to Wikipedia! Davest3r08 (talk) 01:43, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

I would also recommend checking WP:42, WP:GNG, WP:RSP, WP:RS, WP:NOR, WP:TP and WP:CITE. Davest3r08 (talk) 11:43, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

How do I locate the search function on the Encyclopedia

I cannot locate the search function on the Encyclopedia. Lee Buck Rios (talk) 12:04, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. The search bar is now on the top left of the screen, look for a magnifying glass. I am assuming you have not changed the skin(how Wikipedia appears to you) and are using a computer(not a phone). 331dot (talk) 12:12, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, @Lee Buck Rios! As @331dot said, the search bar is on the top left of the screen. A simpler way to search for pages would be Special:Search. Davest3r08 (talk) 12:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

@Lee Buck Rios: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1201. In addition to the comments above, if you happen to be using a Windows computer, you can also use the key combination Alt+⇧ Shift+F to immediately go there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Restoring article in kk-wiki

Good day! There was a wrong deletion edition in Kazakh wiki. Could anybody restore this article about an African nation, please? Ерден Карсыбеков (talk) 07:08, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ерден Карсыбеков: this is the english wikipedia, which has no authority over kk.wiki, or indeed any other wiki. ltbdl (talk) 07:36, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Is there possibility that I gain ability to restore pages by myself? Ерден Карсыбеков (talk) 13:16, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Erden. Again, nobody here on English Wikipedia can answer any question about the Kazakh Wikipedia. I suggest you read kk:Уикипедия:Бетті жою. (I was going to point you to kk:Уикипедия:Талқылау легі, but I see you've already posted there). ColinFine (talk) 14:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! --Ерден Карсыбеков (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2023 (UTC)