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Waiting for Wikipedia page/draft review

I wrote a draft of a Wikipedia page on March 8th, and it is still awaiting review. When I uploaded it, the expected waiting time was three months, but as of today, it has been four months. Do you think this is normal, or did I do something wrong? Here is the link to the draft. Thank you!" Franca47 (talk) 07:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Franca47, unfortunately it is normal. Actually it's worse than you seem to think. I quote: "This may take 4 months or more" (my emphasis). -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Franca47 You created the Italian version of this article in February and the English draft is clearly a translation of that. For copyright purposes, you need to follow the guidance at WP:TRANSLATE and HELP:HOWTRANS which include advice about which templates to use to show you have copied from within Wikipedia. Part of the reason the draft is slow to be reviewed is that there are a limited number of reviewers fluent in Italian who can verify the content against the sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Michael D. Turnbull

Could you please indicate as an example an English Wikipedia page that is a translation of an already existing Wikipedia page in another language? Thank you. Franca47 (talk) 13:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Franca47: You can find plenty of those at pages needing translation , in different stages of translation, quality and/or copyediting. Lectonar (talk) 14:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Franca47 One I have edited is Hessische Staatskanzlei. See its Talk Page and history for some places where it is mentioned it is a (partial) translation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your advices! I added the translation template on the talk page as you all reccommended me to do. Franca47 (talk) 08:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Apologies if I've missed something, Michael D. Turnbull, but if Franca47 wrote the Italian Wikipedia article and is now contributing an English translation here, I don't think attribution is required (see WP:NOATT). Isn't it only if other editors have written the text that's being translated that attribution is needed? Cordless Larry (talk) 15:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry That's an interesting point I wasn't aware of. While Franca47 was the original author who first created it:Carmimari in February, by March (when work on the draft translation began) it had several contributing editors in its Italian edit history. Clearly we need a lawyer to sort this out (joke)! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael D. Turnbull. I think that Franca47 should be fine not to attribute if what's been translated is just their original Italian text, but if the contributions of any of those other editors have been included in what's been translated, then attribution is required (and perhaps it's best to provide it anyway, just to be on the safe side!). Cordless Larry (talk) 15:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I will still add the attribution to the Italian page that I had already created. Thank you all. Franca47 (talk) 08:00, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

How do you interact with editors?

How do you interact with the people who can edit the article? How do I know I am speaking with those individuals? Is there a requirement for them to review and respond to comments/requests about an article? Cmsmith93 (talk) 02:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cmsmith93: Hi there! Anyone can edit the article. The best place to interact with the editors who choose to work on the article is on the article's talk page, such as the Talk:Robert F. Kennedy Jr. page you have posted on several times. This is a volunteer project - there is no "requirement" for anyone to review and/or respond to comments/requests about an article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

To clarify - everyone can edit almost every article, but there are some that are protected. Almost everyone that participates in discussions on the talk page of a protected article does have the required permissions to edit most protected articles, however. Tollens (talk) 02:52, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens: You are correct, and thank you for clarifying. For example, the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has extended confirmed protection, so only editors with 30 days' tenure and at least 500 edits can edit it. GoingBatty (talk) 02:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

There may be no requirement, but if you're making controversial edits, not communicating has the potential to lead to a block. You should at least be aware of how to communicate, incase you need to. Here's an explanatory essay on the topic I like. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cmsmith93: There are four major areas where you can talk to editors:

• 1: On people's talk pages, if you want to talk to one person specifically.
• 2: On the talk page of the article you're working on, which would have your edits appear in the watch list of other editors who are watching the article for changes and updates.
• 3: On the talk page of Wikiprojects. Every article is part of one or several Wikiprojects, where people who are interested in those subject(s) are most active. This is best for more general feedback or help with an article.
• 4: Here in the Teahouse! If you need help with or have questions about Wikipedia in general.

ReneeWrites (talk) 11:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Acknowledgement for any content changes in Wikipedia

I want you to know that on May, 2023, i have not made any kinds of content removal to Atlas Honda page. This is a false claim. Please make sure who did this. Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:202.61.52.46&oldid=1154857719&diff=cur 202.61.52.46 (talk) 05:31, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Your IP did [1]. If you don't like seeing messages about edits made by previous users of the same IP then you should create a user account. And the diff you provided is for a warning for an edit made today by your IP, not the May edit. Meters (talk) 05:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

See WP:REGISTER Meters (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Instead for your views on the above point, the page for the Atlas Honda regarding the "Plant Shutdown is one hundred percent wrong. The Plant was not shut down. You should get notify about this information and make yourself up to date about the companies. 202.61.52.46 (talk) 11:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. The citation for the plant shutdown at Atlas Honda is from Reuters, namely this report. If you have a reliable source which says otherwise, please raise the issue at Talk:Atlas Honda to reach a consensus as to what should appear in the article. Incidentally, that Reuters report said the plant would shut down not thet it did shut down, so you may well be correct but another source would be ideal. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Found my first article with advertising content

Engro Corporation - an older revision had the worst of it, marketing buzzwords etc.

I've done my best to start with but it's still not especially WP:NPOV. Other than placing the {ad} tag, what else can I do to make sure it gets better?

Thanks! ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 15:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Compare my work with the previous state of things here... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Engro_Corporation&diff=1161094512&oldid=1145655780 ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 16:02, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Get rid of a few of the citation neededs and put in a {{Verification}} banner at the top per WP:TAGBOMB. I will remove a lot of (not that much apparently) the unnecessary bold in the article as it is only needed for the first instance of a subject. ✶Mitch199811✶ 17:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate your help ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 12:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

sandbox done - how to publish

I used he sandbox to practice creating a wikipedia page. The top of the page has my user name, not the name of the page that I want to create. When I click "publish" nothing happens Now that I know how to use the Visual Editor and have created a page in sandbox, how to I export this to my final page? The top of my final page needs to show the intended title, not the temporary title created in the sandbox. Carmullen (talk) 02:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Carmullen, and welcome to the Teahouse! To submit an article for review and publication, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page.
Before you do - I can tell you right away that it will be rejected if submitted in its current form due to a lack of references. Every Wikipedia article must show that the subject of the article is notable (which isn't the same as your and my typical definition) by demonstrating that there has been significant coverage of the subject in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. I notice that your username also seems to match the name of the subject - it's strongly recommended that you do not write an article about yourself - for more information see the conflict of interest guideline, and read very carefully through the autobiography guideline; it's very possible you may not actually want an article about yourself even if you do reach the notability requirements. If you have any further questions or questions about any of the linked guidelines please don't hesitate to ask. Tollens (talk) 02:41, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Carmullen/sandbox Tollens (talk) 02:45, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Carmullen: Hi there! I have added the submission template to the draft for you. Please read it carefully and click on the links for further information. GoingBatty (talk) 02:46, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Created sections. DO NOT SUBMIT until references have been added to confirm all factual statements. Suggest developing refs in your Sandbox, and only after properly formated, cut/paste into draft. See HELP:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 13:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Editing Page

Hi,

I work for the Punta Gorda Airport and I wanted to edit our wikipedia page. I wanted to add a section that includes nearby cities and large neighborhoods. Can I go ahead and edit the page myself? If I am listing specific cities or neighborhoods, can I add a hyperlink to that city or neighborhood's wikipedia page?

Thank you,

Casey CThamesPGD (talk) 19:43, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @CThamesPGD, welcome to the Teahouse. Please review and comply with WP:PAID; then you can make suggestions on the article's talk page, Talk:Punta Gorda Airport (Florida). Information about nearby cities and neighborhoods doesn't seem all that relevant to me, but if independent secondary sources have mentioned important connections, you may have an argument. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! CThamesPGD (talk) 19:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

putting double brackets [[ ]] around a word or name, as in a city name, turns the word/name blue if there is an existing Wikipedia article. David notMD (talk) 02:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much! CThamesPGD (talk) 12:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Once I make a suggestion on the talk page, how does it get approved? CThamesPGD (talk) 12:20, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Put edit request inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the beginning of your Talk entry. Doing that 'flags' your edit request to attract attention to a bevy of volunteer editors who help with this task. May take weeks before acted on. Be specific in your request. David notMD (talk) 13:52, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! CThamesPGD (talk) 14:36, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Help needed at Indian cinema task force

We have an editor at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force#Pinkvilla_is_unreliable_for_box_office_figures who has removed another editor's talk page comments. I am involved, so I am hesitant to take action myself to undo the removal and warn the editor lest it heighten the drama. I am not sure we are at the point of needing to go to ANI. Could we get an experienced uninvolved editor to review the situation and take any action that might be deemed appropriate?  — Archer1234 (t·c) 14:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Link to Police Interceptors Episodes

Hello, can you please tell me what has happened to the link for "Police Interceptors episodes". None of the episode links work on "Police Interceptors" main page. Thank you for your help. Davidsmith2015 (talk) 15:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Davidsmith2015, welcome to the Teahouse. List of Police Interceptors episodes was turned into a redirect to Police Interceptors yesterday by Mattdaviesfsic. You can navigate directly to the redirect via this link and check the page history. I'd recommend starting a discussion with Mattdaviesfsic at Talk:Police Interceptors if you wish to contest the edit. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:03, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

i have done a artical about niyabudheen ka it is not working in public

i have done a artical about a philanthropist named niyabudheen ka who work as founder of winborne public trust. Winborne (talk) 12:20, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Winborne. Courtesy link. You don't ask a question. Unfortunately your sandbox article is not appropriate for Wikipedia:

- it is entirely unsourced. Every article on Wikipedia must have sources.

- it is full of promotional language. Every article on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view.

- it reads as a resumé or curriculum vitae, not an encyclopaedic article. Wikipedia is not to be used for self-promotion.

- there is no reference to if Niyabudeen is notable in the Wikipedia context. All biographical articles must pass the notability threshhold.

- your sandbox is not a place to create new articles that meet the Wikipedia policies, but a place to experiment with the process of editing Wikipedia. If you wish to create a new article please see Wikipedia:Articles for creation.

If you have any personal or professional relationship with Niyabudeen you must disclose your conflict of interest immediately.

I hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 12:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Please also note, @Winborne, that your Wikipedia username goes against the Wikipedia:ORGNAME policy as it seems to be representing the name of the organisation Winborne Public Trust. You should request a Wikipedia:Changing username immediately. Qcne (talk) 12:40, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Qcne, it is not correct that your sandbox is not a place to create new articles that meet the Wikipedia policies. It was the principal place to do so before the Draft: namespace was introduced, and many people still use their sandbox to draft articles. Help:My sandbox says My sandbox is a feature which gives you a place to practice editing, either to build a draft for later publication in the main encyclopedia, or just to practice formatting with wiki markup syntax (emphasis added).

I think Draft space is the preferred place now, but user sandboxes are perfectly acceptable places to create new drafts. ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Renaming Bangalore

Is it ok to move Bangalore to Bengaluru? — Akshadev™ 🔱 07:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Bangalore and read, digest, and think about what's written there. If, having done this, you wish to propose moving to "Bengaluru", follow the regular procedure for such a proposal. -- Hoary (talk) 07:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:MOVE for that procedure, see especially WP:BEFOREMOVING! SpookyTwenty (talk) 18:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Valerie Carter page - need help!

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I need one on one assistance with wikipedia's Valerie Carter page. There is some misinformation on it I would like to correct. OohChild (talk) 17:32, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, OohChild, and welcome to the Teahouse! You should be able to edit that page yourself, but I'm happy to help - what do you need? Tollens (talk) 17:36, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Tollens. I have not done this before and need assistance.

Here are the changes and additions needed:

1. Under BIOGRAPHY

Remove Midnight Over Honey River in last sentence. (This is a bootleg album that the estate went to court over and just received the final judgement in their favor and would like to get it removed.)

2. Under OTHER WORK:

Replace last paragraph with:

In 2018 her friend, Kathy Kurasch, and her sister, Jan Carter, formed Cowboy Angel Records to release the first posthumous stand-alone album of previously unreleased material by Carter. It includes unreleased tracks recorded during her career, including "I Got Over It", co-written by Prince.

In 2022 they released The Lost Tapes Vol 2. (reference: https://www.discogs.com/master/2613353-Valerie-Carter-The-Lost-Tapes-Vol2)

3. Under DISCOGRAPHY STUDIO ALBUMS:

Remove Midnight Over Honey River

Add The Lost Tapes Vol 2 (2022) OohChild (talk) 17:42, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@OohChild, are you somehow affiliated with the estate/family? If so, you should familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's guideline on editing with a conflict of interest. Here is a link to the guideline: WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:48, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you OohChild (talk) 17:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

1. Would you be able to provide any citation for Midnight Over Honey River being a bootleg album? Even if so, the more appropriate edit would likely be to say instead that the album was not officially released rather than simply deleting the line, as it is an album that was released, regardless of who released it.
2. Are you only looking to add the second part you have there? Why are the changes you made to the first line an improvement?
3. Again, I'd much rather mark the album with a footnote than remove the line, and also need a source for that as I can't seem to find one online. I'd be happy to add the missing album.

Please also review the conflict of interest guideline as mentioned by the IP editor above if you are in any way affiliated with the subject of the article, and please disclose whether or not such a relationship exists. Tollens (talk) 17:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I have documentation to support this and I have now gone through the COI guidelines and made a request. Thank you so much. OohChild (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, OohChild. The place to discuss this is Talk:Valerie Carter. ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Does a vulgar stage name comply with content policies?

I recently was surprised a popular singer and songwriter with a complete genius article, more than a million monthly listeners on Spotify, and radio presence has no article associated to them. They go by a rather vulgar stage name, and I am not sure how to proceed in creating an article without violating content policies with the use of their stage name, as well as created songs with rather vulgar naming too. I am also a new account, so I do not want to preemptively ban myself. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Iheartdjagger (talk) 07:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@iheartdjagger: we don't have content policies; wikipedia is not censored. our content disclaimer says as such. lettherebedarklight晚安 07:22, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

While it's true that Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, it does have lots of "content policies" (at least how I think the term is defined). As for whether the stage name should be used, the relevant guideline most likely is going to be WP:COMMONNAME. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:32, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Iheartdjagger, your statement about a complete genius article, more than a million monthly listeners on Spotify, and radio presence is completely irrelevant in a discussion about whether or not a performer is eligible for a Wikipedia biography. The inclusion of a mild term like "Erotica" in her stage name is also utterly irrelevant. We have article with far more explicit titles than that. Pay close attention: The only thing that matters is whether or not this entertainer has been the subject of significant, in-depth coverage in reliable sources that are entirely independent of this entertainer. That is it in a nutshell, and everything else is a distraction. Cullen328 (talk) 07:51, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Iheartdjagger, not knowing what "a complete genius article" might be, I clicked on the link you provided, and arrived at a page that has only a small amount of text, which seems to be contributed by interested members of the public. If I'm right, please see "user-generated content". -- Hoary (talk) 09:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Iheartdjagger, just to expand on what the other editors have said.

Check out the Wikipedia:Notability (music) policy, which details if the singer qualifies for the article based on the specific notability requirements. Note that the Genius page doesn't count as it is Wikipedia:User-generated content, and Spotify listener figures don't count as that's a Wikipedia:Primary sources.

Instead, you need to find multiple sources which are reliable and show significant coverage. Then, simply summarise these sources using neutral language.

If you manage this, then there will be no issues with the vulgarity of the artist or song names, as Wikipedia is not censored.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 10:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

FYI, an article on her was deleted by discussion at articles for deletion six months ago. Make sure the concerns from that discussion (namely, that she did not meet the general notability guideline) are addressed if you decide to create a new article on her. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 10:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I think the best thing I can do for now is link notable informational pages about her to her page request, as most notable sources are from tabloids and community involvement. Iheartdjagger (talk) 18:21, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iheartdjagger Wikipedia does in practice do a bit of censorship of over the top things like removing the gallery section on the article Butt plug or removing the pictures from Dick pic (men would constantly post their own on the page), but her name is not vulgar at all. We have tons of articles like Erotic literature Erotica and Autoeroticism that all have this in their titles. We have articles with way more vulgar names which I won't mention. You should focus on notability not her name. Give independent news sources commenting on her Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:13, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iheartdjagger There are odd exceptions to "Wikipedia is not censored", such as attack pages (eg "Mr XYZ is dumb"), though that's not relevant here. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

we need help to publish our agency profile on wikipedia

perpetual agency is well known agency in Saudi and Bahrain, we have tried to create our agency profile on wikipedia but every time our content and profile is rejected and banned. kindly help us create new profile Ahmedalmassari (talk) 14:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ahmedalmassari. I am afraid you do not understand the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for any type of self-promotion or advertisement. It is not a business directory or a marketing platform.

If your agency meets the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) policy, then an editor may create an article. However, you would not own this article. And as you have a clear Wikipedia:Conflict of interest you would not be permitted to edit that article either.

Speaking of conflict of interest, as you presumably work for the company, you must immediately declare this on your User Page.

I hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 14:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ahmedalmassari: there are no 'profiles' on Wikipedia; we are not a business directory or a social media platform like LinkedIn, etc., we are an encyclopaedia which contains articles on topics that have been deemed notable. If your agency isn't notable per WP:GNG, it isn't possible to include an article on it in Wikipedia. Even if it is notable, such an article must not be written in a promotional manner, and it shouldn't ideally be written by you. (It can be written by you, although you aren't allowed to publish it yourself directly, but must put it through an AfC review. In any case, you and anyone else with a relationship to the agency must first make a conflict-of-interest disclosure, see WP:COI.) Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! In general, you can't create your agency's profile on Wikipedia because of the conflict of interest. If your agency is notable, it will be written by someone else. The person who loves reading (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Suggest edits

can you check my sandbox article and suggest edits to me Fahim Mostafa324 (talk) 14:54, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Urban photography and/or Draft:Microscopic Photography (?) Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:59, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Fahim Mostafa324. Courtesy link. Wikipedia is only interested in summarising what independent third party reliable sources say about a topic. Your article instead reads like an essay and is almost completely unreferenced: every article on Wikipedia must have sources.

Besides, we already have an article for urban photography at Street photography. If you'd like to make edits to that article, please ensure that every edit you make is constructive and backed up by a reliable source as above.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 15:05, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

What you have written, for example "Microscopic photography is a captivating art form that enables us to explore the hidden beauty present in our surroundings." is your personal thinking. That has no place in a Wikipedia article. All content must be information verified by references. David notMD (talk) 15:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

thank you

will try to modify these Fahim Mostafa324 (talk) 15:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

street photography is not the same as urban photography

that's why i decided to create a new aricle Fahim Mostafa324 (talk) 15:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Fahim Mostafa324 Your draft has many of the hallmarks of the sort of nonsense produced by a chatbot. Is that how you created it? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

no

does that seem like it? Fahim Mostafa324 (talk) 15:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

It does not read like a proper Wikipedia article as it seems to be full of Wikipedia:Original research. Wikipedia articles should only summarise what independent third party sources say about the subject. Qcne (talk) 15:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

it seems to me the whole article needs to be re written again.

thanks for the overview.

will take time to bring up new ideas. Fahim Mostafa324 (talk) 15:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Fahim Mostafa324 The draft says that further reading can be found at The Art of Urban Photography: Capturing the Essence of City Life." Photography Journal, vol. 15, no. 2, 2019, pp. 45-60. By John Smith No such journal exists in Google Scholar, nor anywhere else I can find. Please provide a URL link or a digital object identifier Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I can't find "Urban Photography: How to Capture the Heart of a City" by Neil Ta or "Urban Photography: A Beginner's Guide to Capturing the Soul of the City" by Markus Hartel or "Introduction to Electron Microscopy" by M. Abdullah Khalid either. These books don't seem to exist. @Fahim Mostafa324, you created these two articles with a chatbot like ChatGPT didn't you? Qcne (talk) 15:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

i wrote the article myself

i asked for reference there

i didn't know it gave fake reference

I apologize for that Fahim Mostafa324 (talk) 15:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

You have given four fake references. That is not a coincidence. I think either you did generate the articles with AI or you are purposely creating misinformation? Please closely read Wikipedia:Five pillars. Qcne (talk) 15:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry i gave ref without verifying

But i assure you these articles are of my own writing

https://roysviewfinder.com/urban-photography/

I have a website where i blog and i have blogged on this

it's of my own knowledge

i'm working on finding proper ref books this time Fahim Mostafa324 (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

So why did you make up four fake convincing-sounding references? I cannot think of a single reason why you would do that? Qcne (talk) 15:33, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

i didn't read any books on this

i read blogs and articles

i gave those as ref

i didn't know the chatbot gave fake ref

it's my mistake that i didn't verify them

i'm sorry for that

i thought they were real

it did sound convincing Fahim Mostafa324 (talk) 15:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah, so you did write the articles using a chatbot? Do not do that in the future, it is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Purpose. Qcne (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Not the article

the book names only

i told it give me ref on books on urban photography

it gave me names

i copied them

but the whole article is written by me Fahim Mostafa324 (talk) 15:40, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, please never do that again! Read Hallucination (artificial intelligence) to understand why. Qcne (talk) 15:41, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Fahim Mostafa324, you should find valid sources first, then write the article based on those sources. Please read WP:BACKWARD. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:29, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

worth mentioning this is not original content

i have learned over this topic through reading third party articles Fahim Mostafa324 (talk) 15:33, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Your own knowledge is precisely Wikipedia:Original research. Wikipedia articles should only summarise what reliable independent third party sources say about the subject. Qcne (talk) 15:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Fahim Mostafa324, writing a Wikipedia article is very, very different from writing a blog. If you haven't reviewed Help:Your first article, I'd recommend doing so now. It's long, but please read it carefully - it will probably save you problems in the future. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:10, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Fahim Mostafa324: Your page at Draft:Microscopic Photography seems to cover the same topic as the existing article Micrograph. If you have any referenced information that's not covered in our article, you may want to add it there rather than trying to create a new article on the same topic. Deor (talk) 23:46, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Redirecting incorrectly

My draft page Stephen Small is apparently redirecting to another of a similar name Steve Small. What can I change to prevent that? Thank you! Tipeneiti (talk) 00:55, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tipeneiti. This sounds like a disambiguation issue and there's no need to worry about it now. It should be taken care of by the WP:AFC review of your draft. If the draft passes the review, the reviewer who approved it should sort out the title of the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm lost on wikipedia

I do know how to use wikipedia but I want to learn more and useful things as a ip account. 2607:FEA8:551C:6200:AB8C:2E45:4401:1625 (talk) 22:39, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse!

Could you tell us specifically what you would like to learn? (For example, Fighting vandalism) 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 23:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I am also curious as to why you are specifically interested in adding content to Wikipedia as an IP user, not that there's anything wrong with this, but it does have certain ramifications, such as not having a user page. Would you mostly be interested in adding content to Wikipedia? If so, what is the nature of the content that you would anticipate adding? Fabrickator (talk) 00:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Maybe see Wikipedia:IP users. Cwater1 (talk) 03:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Two new articles rejected erroneously

Please see Draft:Oleg Rogynskyy - there are several solid independent sources with deep coverage: Forbes, Bloomberg, Financial Times. Yet the complaint is that they are not sufficient and that the subject of the article writes about himself. Yet, I wrote the text myself based on references. Why would anyone make these empty accusations? Also, I don't have a Conflict of Interest here. Same problem with the Draft:People.ai page, which I created.

Igor Markov 06:22, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Igor Markov: While I have not yet looked at any of the sources, it looks like User:Rogynskyy, who shares their username with the person being written about, made contributions to each page very quickly after their creation - this suggests to others that you may be working with the subject of the article in at least some fashion. Is this correct? Tollens (talk) 06:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of his changes, but he did email me after the pages were created and pointed out a spelling mistake I made in his last name. Most likely, he was notified of page creation by automatic monitoring software. I don't see this being anywhere close to the conflict of interest. Igor Markov 06:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens- thank you for the quick response. Igor Markov 06:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

If Rogynskyy's edits are a problem, then they can be reverted. They have nothing to do with the excellent sources in the articles and the text that I wrote. Igor Markov 06:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Igor Markov, the mere fact that he emailed you suggests a conflict of interest. What have reliable sources (independent of Oleg Rogynskyy) said about him? (Incidentally, an article about him would refer to "Rogynskyy", not to "Oleg".) What have reliable sources (independent of People.ai) said about People.ai? (Incidentally, what does "account and opportunity management solutions" mean?) -- Hoary (talk) 06:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Let's unroll this. I created the pages for "Roginskyy" and "People.ai" with no coordination with anyone. Rogynskyy was somehow notified and sent me a short message via the Wikipedia (as the author of the article) pointing out the spelling problem. I moved the page to fix spelling. What now? - unpublish the article and complain about the independent sources that I found? The answer to your question about independent sources is in the article - all material I wrote is from independent sources and I cite them. I did not use any personal knowledge. Changing the first name to last name is trivial (and I consider calling people by their last name less polite).

Most important, how do we fix the baseless comments about the sources and the subject's notability? Igor Markov 06:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary - thank you for chiming in quickly. I'd appreciate it if you looked at the article and let me know if there is a problem to fix. Igor Markov 06:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Pinging Edit.pdf, the editor who draftified the articles. Tollens (talk) 06:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens thanks! It's quite clear to me that Igor Markov has likely been paid by Rogynksy that I don't know what to add more. However, I've checked the sources and found them to be unreliable and lacking depth. The author's persistent attempts to republish these pages further convinces me that they could be a paid contributor. At this point, I see no other recourse but to follow the Articles for Creation (AfC) process and remain patient. Again, I checked the sources on both pages and they are not sufficient per WP NCOPR or ANybio (on my point of view). Edit.pdf (talk) 07:02, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Please stop this slander. I have not been paid by anyone for any wikis. Igor Markov 07:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Edit.pdf I think we need to get another opinion here. Each of the two articles has several sources that satisfy the four requirements. This is easy to see. Igor Markov 07:10, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Edit.pdfWhat do you mean by "persistent attempts to republish"? I have not submitted the articles for republishing - not a single attempt yet. Igor Markov 07:12, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary, I apologize if I'm causing any inconvenience. I wanted to let you know that I believe the discussion could now be concluded. Thank you for your attention. Edit.pdf (talk) 07:16, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens - I tried to reason with @Edit.pdf, but to no avail. What other options do we have here? And how do we stop this slander by @Edit.pdf? Igor Markov 07:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I quote: Oleg moved to Canada, where the job market was more favorable. He led the sales effort at a Canadian startup, Nstein Technologies. In 2009, he returned to the U.S. as the head of growth at a Boston-based company, Lexalytics, where he worked for two years. He then founded Semantria that developed software to analyse text data on social media. In 2014, Oleg sold the company to Lexalytics for $10 million. Unreferenced. Oleg's work was recognized in the Time Magazine article "2022 Person of the Year: The Spirit of Ukraine". President Volodymyr Zelensky honored Oleg with the Order of Merit (Ukraine) 3rd degree. Both of these are good. But what did Time say? (Recognized in the article as/for what?) Awarded the Order of Merit for what? This additional information is not necessary: if he verifiably got such-and-such an award but no reliable source says why, the award may be mentioned. But adding material would help demonstrate his significance. Your last point assumes that the comments about the sources and the subject's notability were baseless. NB "notability" in this context means "notability" as defined by and for English-language Wikipedia. (This may differ from notability as you understand it and it differs greatly from notability as I understand it.) Sources for a claim of notability must be "reliable" as "reliability" is defined ditto. Quote: Later, as the invasion unfolded, he realized the value of modern information technologies at the battlefield and started helping his friends at the front lines, while marshalling resources of the Technology Community in the West. “This is the first war with Wi-Fi in every trench,” he noted to Wired. “World War I–style trench warfare with 3,500 Starlink internet satellites in the air. Every soldier is a content creator, and the amount of content being created is just tremendous.” There's nothing much wrong with this, but it doesn't help a claim of notability. What would be good would be a reliable source (of course independent of OR) saying much the same thing and also that OR had made a significant contribution towards achieving this goal. -- Hoary (talk) 07:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary- thank you for taking time to read the text. Frankly, I am not entirely following what you consider sufficient and what not. Rogynskyy is the founder and CEO of a sizable company, and this is covered in depth by several reliable independent sources (Forbes, Financial Times, Bloomberg). That makes him notable. Some sources do not cover him in depth, and that's OK. For example, his Order of Merit (Ukraine) only mentions his job title and has no citation. Same for other recipients. But this does not invalidate the solid sources. Igor Markov 07:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary- in other words, imagine that the text you quoted didn't exist. There should be enough notability in the remaining parts of the article. Needless to say, some information, such as why the Times Magazine mentioned him, is not available to me. I can't ask Rogynskyy. And I can't ask President Zelensky why he gave Rogynskyy an Order of Merit. But this isn't necessary to establish notability. Agree? Igor Markov 07:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Igor Markov, let's get back to your initial assertion: "there are several solid independent sources with deep coverage: Forbes, Bloomberg, Financial Times". Forbes: agreed. Bloomberg: The title of the piece suggests otherwise, but I can't judge (or, if you prefer, I am too stingy to judge) because it's behind a paywall. Financial Times: The draft currently cites two FT pieces. The title of one suggests that it's based on an interview, which would be problematic; the title of the other suggests that it's less about the man than about the company; but NB my use of the word "suggests" and anyway I again have the paywall impediment. Perhaps other experienced editors who frequent this page will have access to one or both websites. I recommend being patient for a few hours and seeing if anyone will helpfully chime in. -- Hoary (talk) 08:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary - thank you. That's reasonable, and I am not in any rush. In the meantime, I reread the Ukrainian-language reference for the Order of Merit, and it does have a citation (same for many recipients including Anderson Cooper, Christianne Amanpour, etc). I added a translated version for completeness. Igor Markov 08:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Also added a Wall Street Journal reference, although its level of detail is debatable. Igor Markov 08:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary - what do you think of The Tribune reference? It's an Indian source, independent, and covers the subject in depth. In any case, you liked the Forbes source, perhaps you are OK with the Order of Merit (Ukraine) as an indication of notability (the list of other recipients there is very impressive). How many sources do we need? Thank you. Igor Markov 22:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Igor Markov, the Ukrainian award went to a great number of people; of course being one of those so honoured has some significance, but I wouldn't make too much of it. ¶ This The Tribune that you cite seems to be a website devoted to the western and southern fringes of what used to be the Soviet Union. (Or more likely, seems to have been; although a publisher's demise isn't a criticism of what it produced while it existed.) There's no obvious relationship to the Indian Tribune. The particular cited page from The Tribune is detailed, and isn't obviously promotional; but it's unsigned and I'm not sure that it isn't a mere advertorial. ¶ Usually, just three good sources -- that is, just three that both are reliable and go into some depth. ¶ If one or two (or of course more) among [... pause while I look for a few names who've recently been active as shown below ...] Cullen328, David notMD, Mike Turnbull, Nick Moyes, 331dot, and Tigraan (or of course others here) would comment on the depth of coverage provided by the more-or-less-promising-sounding sources (Bloomberg, FT, WSJ) from which I'm separated by a paywall, this would be helpful. -- Hoary (talk) 23:18, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary, just to clarify the significance of a major state award given by the President - doesn't it support that the person made major contributions in some field? For example, for scientists and engineers, being an IEEE Fellow is recognized as sufficient for Wikipedia notability (incidentally, I've been an IEEE Fellow for a while :). The fact that many people get IEEE Fellow elevation every year and are listed in one document isn't an impediment. The same about the Order of Merit (Ukraine) - it's awarded once per year to many recipients. In comparison, articles that feature some people are published by many magazines every day (not as prestigious). Just thinking aloud. - Igor Markov 00:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Igor Markov, I can't comment offhand about the IEEE matter/analogy; but I agree with the rest. Yes, the award supports notability, as you and I understand the latter. However, Wikipedia has a very different (and arguably perverse) notion of notability. What we want are three sources that are independent of each other and reliable (as defined here) and go into depth. Alternatives (such as two sources plus a truly remarkable award) would be considered. -- Hoary (talk) 01:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Paywalls also prevent me from evaluating several of the sources. I will comment on two of the sources. The Forbes source was written by a so-called "Forbes contributor" and the consensus of the community is that this type of content is unreliable due to lack of adequate editorial oversight. See WP:FORBESCONTRIBUTOR for details. As for the Time magazine source, it is mostly a couple of quotes from Rogynskyy, and I do not consider it either significant or independent coverage. Its function seems to be to imply that Rogynskyy must be notable if Time mentioned him in passing. If so, that is incorrect. As for the Order of Merit, evaluating its significance requires a deeper understanding of its prestige and exclusivity. Countries tend to give out lots of medals and awards during wartime. For example, I have seen editors argue that the Distinguished Flying Cross confers notability in the United States, but the fact is that over 20,000 were awarded during World War II, and many thousands subsequently. So, my recommendation to Igor Markov is to remove the weaker references and to remove the poorly referenced content, and then resubmit. Quality is more important than quantity. Cullen328 (talk) 00:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328, yes, I remember now about WP:FORBESCONTRIBUTOR. Good point. Actually the Time source wasn't among those I asked about (not that you said that it was). -- Hoary (talk) 01:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 - thank you for looking into this carefully and explaining your thought process. Clearly, the stated guidelines have a lot of folklore in how they are interpreted and enforced, but that's a topic for another day :)

In writing the text, I tried to cover the subject based on public info, rather than try to substantiate every paragraph with high-quality sources (I thought this explicitly was not required), but can trim the text to emphasize stronger sources. I do pay for subscriptions to several top US sources and am surprised that this causes problems (maybe the Wikipedia can address this at the institutional level). Igor Markov 02:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Igor Markov The Wikimedia Foundation does try to assist by giving established editors access to The Wikipedia Library, through which many paywalled sources can be accessed. I put Rogynskyy's name into the search box for the library and it gave plenty of hits but unfortunately they were exclusively press releases from People.ai or brief mentions or items based on interviews. I could not find any that met the key criteria. (The FT article was not among the hits as it isn't available through the library.) Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hoary & Cullen328 I found a loophole to read most newspapers/magazines which limit how many articles you can read within a certain period, or have paywalls...

By archiving them on the Wayback Machine and Archive.today first.

Then I'll read the archived versions, which usually don't contain the restrictions, no matter how old or new the archived articles are.

I first noticed it (around 5 years ago) when my main daily local newspaper (along with its 4 sister titles, and most likely the 100s more newspapers/magazines owned by the parent company) decided to become a paid subscription model, and restricted how many articles you could read for free every month.

I remember it being 10 free articles a month which was ridiculous imo, as I only read the stories about local filming, and after a quick search, their 2019 T&C's confirm what I remember.

Recently I seem to be able to read more stories (unless I just think I've clicked on more than 10 stories a month, when I haven't), so they might have increased the number of articles you can read in a month without mentioning it anywhere, although it does say in the 2019 T&C's that breaking news, and court documents don't count towards the 10 articles limit, so that could be why.

There's also at least 5-10 random mirror sites websites on the internet which copy articles from various news sources word for word, so all you would need to do is search for an articles title word for word to find one of those random mirror sites, and read it for free. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hoary, @Cullen328 - I removed several weak refs and poorly supported text on Rogynskyy's early career, added an open ref from Tech Crunch, and replaced the paywalled Bloomberg ref by an open Reuters ref. The in-depth Financial Times ref can be found in the open by Web-searching for the title :) That's not rare, in my experience. PTAL, and I can remove a few more weak refs if that's useful. Igor Markov 05:30, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding references

Hi. Can I know what's the actual template to add references into articles? I added one or two somewhere, and copied the references already there but I'm still a bit confused as it's different everywhere Tresspasser10 (talk) 16:17, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tresspasser10. There are many citation templates available. You can find them at Wikipedia:Citation templates. Cullen328 (talk) 17:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

So there is no specific rule on as to which one to use? If I'm creating an article, I can choose any one template? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tresspasser10 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tresspasser10 The only article your account has edited is Miftah Ismail. Each individual reference you place into it should use the most appropriate template available. If the citation is to a book (typically with an ISBN) then use {{cite book}}. If from a newspaper, then {{cite news}}; if from a website, then {{cite web}} etc. It would be unusual for any article or draft to only contain one type of citation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:07, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello ! Je suis interesee au Pre Saint Gervais

Hello! Je suis interesse a l'histoire du 'Pre Saint Gervais' existe -t-il un livre sur l'histoire du nom des rues le concernant? Plus particulierement la'Villa des Lions' son origine et ses habitants? (Ma Maman y a grandie!) Toutes iniformations seront les bien venues👀🌞🤔👍❤️🕊🙏🏻 Hirgorom252 (talk) 17:07, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Hirgorom252, welcome to the Teahouse on English Wikipedia. If you prefer to converse in French, I'd recommend asking your question at the equivalent page over on French Wikipedia - here. If you're fine with English, then I'd recommend heading over to one of the appropriate WP:Reference desks here on English Wikipedia, where you might find folks willing to dig up information for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:15, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Translation of the original post (via bot), for the curious: "Hello! I am interested in the story of 'Pre Saint Gervais' is there a book on the history of street names about him? More particularly the 'Villa des Lions' its origin and its inhabitants? (My Mom grew up there!) All iniformations will be welcome". 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:18, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

The OP is probably not a French native speaker either. The post contains multiple language mistakes; in particular, the complete absence of any accent (interessé, Pré, particulièrement, etc.) are a typical sign of a non-native speaker.

The wp-fr article fr:Le Pré-Saint-Gervais is fairly long (arguably, too long) and it devotes the whole of one sentence to the Villa des Lions. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

why do my citations keep saying i have more than one of |work= and |website= specified?

here is a link to the specific version of the page i'm trying to edit where this error appears https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shin_Meikai_kokugo_jiten&oldid=1161340567 if someone could give me a heads up on what i'm doing wrong it'd be helpful. i'm using the source editor and sometimes when i copy references from the japanese wikipedia they just don't show up right on the english one. i don't understand why Indochina2 (talk) 03:08, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi there. I finally saw the problem and fixed it. Use this in the future: {{Reflist}}. See this this Cwater1 (talk) 04:00, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cwater1: I don't think you fixed it. The references got moved, sure, but the error the user was talking about is still there. – 2804:F14:80B3:CB01:5582:454D:39ED:C775 (talk) 04:24, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Which, by the looks of it, the error is that there is both a |website= and a |work=. That is, the error will stop appearing if either of those 2 parameters are removed from the citations experiencing the error. – 2804:F14:80B3:CB01:5582:454D:39ED:C775 (talk) 04:29, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Those parameters are synonyms. As a side-note, neither of those parameters are synonyms of |publisher=. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:59, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the help guys, I'll keep what everyone said in mind for future edits. I find it odd that different language Wikipedias have different subtleties in formatting code among other things, but I'll try to pay closer attention to it. Indochina2 (talk) 06:20, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

> "I find it odd that different language Wikipedias have different subtleties in formatting code among other things"

Each Wikipedia edits its own templates etc. Even if they had all started out with the same code base, by now so many years of editing should be expected to have resulted in many differences. Well, the Tower of Babel metaphor might well apply here. – .Raven  .talk 06:47, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Indochina2 Oh, sorry about that. I only did the template: {{Reflist}}. I forgot about the parameters error. Apologizes. Cwater1 (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Moving table columns

Hi, I would like to move (rearrange) table columns using a visual editor, I can see how to add and delete columns using Wikipedia, do I need to export the table to a 3rd party tool to achieve this? I see a tool called https://tableconvert.com/, but I don't know if it will work with Wikipedia. Kind regards. 12think (talk) 23:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@12think: Welcome to the Teahouse! To move table columns, click a cell in the column that you want to move. There is an arrow on the top of the table, and you'll see options to move a column. You can also use the arrow on the left to move rows. Also the TableConvert tool does not work for Wikipedia, as it doesn't support wikitext tables. Hope that helps! 2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 00:21, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I hadn't seen that option, in hindsight very obvious, cheers! 12think (talk) 14:50, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Links to foreign language media

Hej!

My last article about Trask was rejected, so I tried it again. Is it problem to use Czech articles about Czech company on English Wikipedia? All the references are from serious and the biggest Czech media (incl. Forbes), but I think that it does not mean smaller revelance for the world (especially it is not just local company)... Methodeus (talk) 11:54, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Methodeus: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, you may use non-English sources in English Wikipedia articles. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 12:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Methodeus Please see WP:REFNAME for the method we use to reuse a reference more than once (currently #3 and #4 in your draft). You may also like to read WP:Solutions for an explanation of why certain marketing-speak is not a good idea. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:41, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Nuance, but your draft was declined, which is not as severe as rejected. The latter means the reviewer saw no potential to succeed. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

What does Trask actually do? The draft says it's a "digital solutions integrator". Those are all good buzzwords, but they don't convey much information. (I've come to suspect that people write such things when they don't know what the business does. "Solution" is particularly useful in that context.) Maproom (talk) 15:03, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Abbreviations or full

If I come across words like "It is" or "It's", should I change one to the other? What is correct by our standards here on WP? Iljhgtn (talk) 22:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

If it(i)s in a direct quotation, Iljhgtn, you shouldn't change it. Otherwise, convention here says to avoid "it's", "isn't", "won't", "they'll" and the like; and instead to use the more formal alternatives. -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

ok, so inside a quotation, leave it, otherwise, it is okay to change to the full form. what sort of edit summary would you leave for that kind of change? Is that a "copy edit"? Iljhgtn (talk) 22:22, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Iljhgtn. MOS:CONTRACTION for more details, but contracted forms generally shouldn't be used in article prose. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

ok cool Iljhgtn (talk) 22:26, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: Welcome to the Teahouse! I would leave an edit summary of "expanded contraction". Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

ok Iljhgtn (talk) 22:29, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I would suggest somehow also adding the link MOS:CONTRACTION to your edit summary. Finally, if you're going to go around looking for contractions to expand, just make sure you don't accidentally get caught up in any edit warring when you do. Some people might either not know about or might not care about MOS:CONTRACTION. So, if you come across such a person who keeps reverting back to the contracted form, bring up to matter on the article's talk page and explain why the change needs to be made. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

that is good advice. i do not (almost said don't there) plan on "going to go around looking for contractions to expand", but that is still good to know Iljhgtn (talk) 15:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources for Colleen Ballinger.

I’ve noticed that YouTuber Colleen Ballinger has been in the news for inappropriate relationships with fans. Anytime I try to add a source, I’m told it’s unreliable. I’m wondering if Rolling Stone and Newsweek and MSN are reliable sources. Ive posted on the Colleen Ballinger talk page about this, but honestly some editors seem upset with me and one editor said I was wasting everyone’s time. Are these reliable sources? https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/colleen-ballinger-miranda-sings-youtube-fans-allegations-1234774947/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/it-felt-incredibly-sexually-violating-former-fan-of-colleen-ballinger-shares-nasty-experience-amid-allegations-against-the-miranda-sings-comedian/ar-AA1cBv4c?li=BBnbcA0

https://www.newsweek.com/miranda-sings-youtube-tiktok-colleen-ballinger-children-1806615

Thank you if anyone can answer if the sources I listed above are considered reliable. Paige Matheson (talk) 18:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Paige Matheson: Welcome to the Teahouse! I took a quick look at the Colleen Ballinger article and talk page. Instead of asking whether some web pages are reliable source, we should first ask whether the content is important enough to add to the article. We can have multiple reliable sources detailing what Bradley Cooper ate for lunch or what Kim Kardashian wore to get coffee and be confident that the information is 100% accurate. However, that doesn't mean it's worth adding to the article. It might be worthwhile to wait a few weeks to see whether Ballinger's issues are forgotten or whether this has significant impact. If it's the latter, you might want to suggest the text to be added to the article in addition to your sources. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 20:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you.

Paige Matheson (talk) 15:59, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Feeling a bit sheepish, but can someone help me fix a disambiguation link? PapaNeedsChips (talk) 16:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @PapaNeedsChips, welcome to the Teahouse. I'd argue that a wikilink isn't really necessary in this case, but as far as fixing it goes, you should visit the disambiguation page - German - and choose which of the items best fits what you were going for, then change your link to match. In this case, it looks like you want Germans. You could pipe it like so: [[Germans|German]], so it comes out as German. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:46, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Little box that says "OBJ" i think

sometimes i am copyediting or looking for out of place punctuation or something, and I see this little box that seems to say "OBJ" in it between a final word and a period or a source. Anyone know what this is about? I use visual editor. Iljhgtn (talk) 22:42, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

 is a unicode placeholder character. Not sure why it would appear in the visual editor, though. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 23:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Possibly a remnant of some old copy-paste. If someone copied text from Word or similar which included an image or other embedded object it might show up as  in Wikitext. MKFI (talk) 12:36, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

what does the OBJ even stand for? what is unicode placeholder character? i do not undersstand what any of that means. Iljhgtn (talk) 15:58, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: The OBJ is an abbreviation of "object" and  is the "object replacement character" in Unicode. It's a replacement character, and those are also sometimes called a placeholder character. Specifically, the OBJ character is used to tell the computer that, where the OBJ character is, something other than text (an "object" of some kind) should appear, such as an embedded image in a PDF. Usually the reason it shows up is because someone copied text from one system/program/etc to another, but only kept the text while copying without the bringing along object associated with that text, so the OBJ has nothing to replace and is now visible. Hopefully this helps at least a little!

rtrb (talk) 17:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

ok cool, that makes it a bit clearer Iljhgtn (talk) 17:20, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Username usurpation

I want to change my username, but the one I want is taken. However, it has 0 edits on en.wikipedia. About how many edits would I need to be allowed to usurp it? The Wasp ^{[my nest]} 17:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

​Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can read the full guidelines at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations and Wikipedia:Changing username/Guidelines#Additional guidelines for usurpation requests - in addition to having very few or no edits on enwiki, they would also need to have very few or no edits to any project. You can see global contributions at https://guc.toolforge.org/. Usurpation requests are typically not granted to new accounts - per the guideline above, To ensure that good use is made of popular usernames, usurpation is reserved for established users. It is expected that an account requesting usurpation will have existed for several months and made non-trivial contributions to the encyclopedia. There's no hard edit count - all they really want is to make sure you will actually use the account, so once you've been active for a while they're more confident you'll make good use of the new username. Tollens (talk) 17:47, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

How can I delete a draft article?

How do I go about deleting an article that is a draft? Vienne.J (talk) 15:17, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Vienne.J, welcome to the Teahouse. Drafts are automatically deleted after 6 months of inactivity. You can request that a draft you wrote, which no one else has contributed significantly to, be deleted, but there are no such creations under your account - you commented at Draft:Laval St. Germain (adventurer), but that was created by an IP, and undeleted at another IP's request a few days ago (request).

Drafts which are extremely inappropriate for other reasons can be speedily deleted under various criteria (see here) or taken to WP:MfD. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thank you so much for your response! I was also wondering what happens if someone else wants to submit a new draft for the same topic? Can the first draft page then be disregarded? Vienne.J (talk) 17:43, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

As long as it hasn't been published to mainspace, yes, but if someone is actively working on a draft they will likely not be pleased if someone else makes a new one rather than working with them. Tollens (talk) 17:50, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Change the jarring white background?

Hello. I am new to wikipedia editing and would like to invest more time with the community as I really respect and appreciate the care and devotion that other community members are putting into this site. I am having trouble spending time on the site as the background is all white and very bright and I do a lot of this sort of stuff at night. Is there a dark mode or any kind of color selector for the site? Ideally, I wouldn't have to choose between complete blackness and complete brightness, maybe a beige color or a light gray is a more true neutral (for my eyes anyways). If this is an option please let me know how I can access the feature, and if it has yet to be created please direct me where I can suggest this to someone who is capable of adding the feature. Thank you StopSayingMyth (talk) 14:58, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@StopSayingMyth Welcome to the Teahouse. Please see WP:DARK for information on this. (As an aside, you can find help on most things in Wikipedia by using the standard search box, with the prefix "WP:" before any search term. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

In addition to the preset dark mode, you may also find it useful to change the background color to a different color using CSS. You can write your own CSS and it will be present across the site whenever you are logged in. See WP:CSS for more info. WPscatter ^t/_c 15:08, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi StopSayingMyth! I didn't like the straight white-on-black of the default dark theme either so I made a white-on-gray theme myself - however, it only works for the Vector 2010 skin as of now (the old default style). If you'd like to give it a look, there's a picture and installation instructions on my user page. Tollens (talk) 17:56, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Wow. Thank you everyone for your help and concern it is very appreciated. I'm not sure what any of those links you have sent me mean but I will be sure to read them and find out! Thanks again StopSayingMyth (talk) 18:38, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

If any of you are bored and looking for something to help out with, I am currently arguing on the Hindu mythology page talk section. I don't believe anyone should be belittled and the page name should be edited to say "Hindu Stories". Just if you are bored, thanks! StopSayingMyth (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@StopSayingMyth, while you're reviewing those other links, you might also want to add WP:CANVASSING. Please don't go to unrelated discussion forums and try to recruit people to take your side in a content dispute. Of course you're new and aren't expected to know that, so you're not going to get in trouble, but keep that in mind. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah. Okay good to know the rules. Thanks for the link and the heads up StopSayingMyth (talk) 19:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Profile On Wikipedia

How can I creat my Profile Page on Wikipedia. Farhannmeo (talk) 15:14, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Farhannmeo, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have profiles - it has encyclopedia articles on subjects which are deemed notable by our standards. What coverage of you has been published in independent, reliable, secondary sources? This means things like journalists writing articles about you in reputable newspapers or academics citing your works.

Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is very difficult and strongly discouraged. I recommend reading WP:AUTOBIO before you proceed any further. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:25, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Farhannmeo, you've already set up a User Page, the closest thing Wikipedia has to "Profiles" (which, as has been explained to you, Wikipedia does NOT have). But your User Page reads like a summary CV, which is not what User Pages here are for. Also, you should IMMEDIATELY remove all that contact information from that page. And don't try to insert yourself into Wikipedia categories--especially ones that don't exist. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

shouldn't those revisions be hidden too? cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 17:41, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Farhannmeo I don't quite agree with AzseicsoK. It's OK to say who you are and your background/qualifications. That lets people know the type of editor you hope to be. So I have reinstated that text for you, but have blanked the edits with all your contact details, as suggested by Cog-san.

Please do not add any more information because it is important not to appear to have a CV here, as was pointed out already. If you visit my own userpage, you will see quite a lot about my background which, I hope, is relevant to my editing interests and qualifications to make the sort of edits that I do here. However, I'm an active editor, and developed that page over some years of editing. Good luck learning how to edit and contribute to Wikipedia articles. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:13, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

My Book "The Journal Assignment"

I am writing about the interpretation of my book "The Journal Assignment". It is about a Journal Assignment I had in Oxford,England in the Spring of 1993 with a Study Abroad trip with RCC. Then I write the first Volume of the Book that is a Biography of a Journal Assignment from Niles Strohl's a psychotherapist.

That's entertaining to find the exact statement about "Flower Power" in my book. Something occurs today that brings my whole book together. It is about a dog my parents adopted from the SPCA that makes the bookmarker of the book murder in Cold Blood.

It is about the Nixon Library and me living with my parents in California when Pres. Nixon dies. I go to the Nixon Library to see where he is buried and library is closed. I drove back to Riverside,Ca. and have not taken a long time to explain the reason to move to Las Vegas,NV.

The more fun you have reading the more you will find about murder in Cold Blood not being a Mardi Gras story like my book "The Journal Assignment" is written about not being related to the dog my parent's adopted. It's about life and is the Biography of Laura I Redsecker. That's what you need to know this is not a Murder Mystery. The whole thing is Wonder Year's Adult research novel about Biographies. I found one about many of the Vietnam Veterans that each one of them had a Biography. This is meaningful to me since the whole thing was a study abroad program to Vietnam for epileptic patients. This might be the answer to your question about Murder in Cold Blood and the SPCA.

I hope you can edit on Wikipedia too!!

Thank you,

Laura I Redsecker Redseckerl (talk) 20:48, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:08, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Bharatavarsh.1947 (talk) 23:11, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Asking questions

Hello DESiegel,

I am thankful for this opportunity to ask questions.

I recently joined Wikipedia as a user to edit a few wrong entries. Though for every information, I cited references and was in the process of adding more, I found that the changes were reverted by a user Pscyhologist Guy. I very respectfully asked him to guide me to understand what objections he had. He accused me a 'vandal' out rightly and refused to engage in a constructive dialogue. At the same time, I observed other users (possibly admonistrators) Aryajay and Editorkamran who likewise reverted my edits (one, which was thoroughly referenced and two, which were minor edits) and never gave a real explanation. This makes me wonder if there's a possibility that certain active users with administrative rights are now in a conundrum and harassing new users. I would sincerely request the top management of Wikipedia to look into this to see if such a thing is happening. I believe this would allow new, referenced information to come, and also if a good example is set, then act as a check on biased administrators, who probably consider Wikipedia as their personal property.

I shall be happy to hear on this.

Thanks and regards Bharatavarsh.1947 (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Bharatavarsh.1947: Welcome to the Teahouse! Sorry you're having a hard time getting started here. The editors you mentioned are not administrators. Any Wikipedia editor can revert any edit - you don't need administrative powers to do so. However, no one owns an article. When reverting edits, the reverter should explain why in their edit summary. For example:

• In this edit, Arjayay states "deleting ref and adding mass of unsourced content". When anyone adds content to Wikipedia, it needs to be accompanied with a reference to a published reliable source.
• In this edit, Editorkamran simply states "undue", which probably refers to undue weight.
• In this edit, Arjayay states "Rm honorifics". Wikipedia's Manual of Style regarding Honorifics states that 'They are not usually used in running text..."

Reverting is so common that we have a document called Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which states that your next step could be to discuss your edits on the article's talk page, such as Talk:Namdhari, where you can start a conversation about your concerns about an article and the suggestions you have to improve it.

I also suggest starting with small suggestions instead of large edits. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Dear @GoingBatty,

Thanks a lot for your message and concern. Its highly appreciated. I agree with your suggestion to make small edits at present. Only to humbly inform that the added section had ample references and I was in the process of adding many more, when I had to face the above issues. Interestingly, I initiated a polite 'talk' with two users above and got a very disinterested and stern reply (In case you happened to visit the 'Talk' section, you would clearly see this). I had almost lost hope on Wikipedia then. Your message has provided encouragement again. In the above case, there appears to be more to the intention of the mentioned users, since even the very minute edits were also immediately reverted back.

I would present just one example. I included a small paragraph on Guru Ram Singh in the 'Indian Independence Movement' page highlighting that Namdhari movement was the first movement to start post-1857 Sepoy Mutiny. I gave reference of Guru Ram Singh mentioned in "1000 Years, 1000 People: Ranking the Men and Women Who Shaped the Millennium", wherein he is 1 among the 3 Indian freedom fighters mentioned, who opposed imperialism, only personality of Sikh affiliation and 1 among the 12 Indian totally mentioned for the last millennium. Then, I cited Encyclopedia Britannica page on Guru Ram Singh where it mention him as "Sikh philosopher and reformer and the first Indian to use noncooperation and boycott of British merchandise and services as a political weapon." You can clearly see the being 'the first Indian to use noncooperation and boycott' against imperialism (a kind of peaceful revolution) is not an 'undue weight' in any regard at all. I think all would agree to this, if looking with an unbiased frame of mind and reason. Thereafter, I mention the Government of India weblink "https://indianculture.gov.in/ebooks/gooroo-ram-singh-and-kuka-sikhs-rebels-against-british-power-india-book-iii-documents-april" which carries downloadable link to the imperial documents where the movement was analyzed in minute details. Do you think these references are less or of less importance for the small paragraph mentioning an 'Important Event in the Indian history in the 19th Century". In my opinion, Wikipedia has become a norm in the society and should be used constructively to share information that has hitherto not been available on a wider scale. I believed that the personal conscious of the users reverting edits and accusing 'vandalism' on my part would prevail when I entered a humble 'talk' with them. However, they did not hear a word, accused again and one simply deleted the talk!, one threatening to 'block my account'.

I fully agree that non-referenced information should not go. In the 'Namdhari Wikipedia' page, there are so many factual errors at the outset. In case (as in the present ones), if the users do not agree on a common platform, is there any way that we may request Wikipedia managers/administrators to intervene and help us find a common ground. Personally, I am a Sikh and we wish that the 'universal welfare' and 'freedom to all' ideals 'without criticizing anyone and only humble forwarding one's own point' is the way to go.

At last, I would again thank you a lot for your concern and message, I had initiated a humble talk but got a very bad response. Finally, a request, if you or anyone else could help resolve these issues, so that some of this information at least reaches people. I can assure that this part of information would focus on harmony and cooperation. I already mentioned in one of my 'talk' attempts with the Psychologist Guy user that I am ready to remove anything which appears objectionable to the least, but in this case, it was of no avail! Hence, if someone from top can help us resolve, that would be great. I am always ready for references to any statements and constructive discussion and compliance to Wikipedia policies, whose audience we intend to speak to.

Regards Bharatavarsh.1947 (talk) 02:42, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Bharatavarsh.1947: Yes, I saw that you posted on User talk pages, which is why I suggested posting on the article's talk pages. I won't be able to help you resolve the issues regarding this topic area, but hopefully those who visit the article talk pages will be able to give more constructive feedback. GoingBatty (talk) 02:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @GoingBatty for this suggestion of mentioning the edits background in Article Talk pages. I would try that. Hope that I get a better and constructive feedback there.

Regards Bharatavarsh.1947 (talk) 02:54, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

How does the automatic reference search work??

Today I tried using it to get the extremely famous "Attention is all you need" but got "All you need is LSD" (doi: 10.5040/9781350101272.00000005). This basically always happens if I give it a title.

Is there a bugtracker for the automatic reference search? pony in a strange land (talk) 18:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cosmia Nebula I've never managed to get it to search a title correctly. It's great for dois and URLs though. -- asilvering (talk) 03:55, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey - can i have a heart symbol in my signature?

Might be too late - but I put a cool heart symbol in my signature. Is that allowed? Thanks! ♡Draco Centauros♡ (talk) 02:06, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Draco Centauros: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, it's allowed per the guideline at Wikipedia:Signatures. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! You people are so nice at the Teahouse :) ♡Draco Centauros♡ (talk) 02:34, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Draco Centauros I love your signature Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 03:38, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

thanks! decided my default one was very boring so added some flair! ♡Draco Centauros♡ (talk) 04:12, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

HELP - Big messes on Wikipedia and Wikimedia commons concerning Wilhelm (Giovanni) von Plüschow (18 August 1852 – 3 January 1930) and Wilhelm von Gloeden (September 16, 1856 – February 16, 1931),

Extended content

Giovanni Dall'Orto in Milan, Italy is a PhD historian that has contributed tons of stuff to Wikipedia and Wikimedia prior to 2003. His Italian website: (La gaya scienza - Site about homosexuality and culture (giovannidallorto.com) in not a secure website and was last updated in 2012, so most likely he's dead now. He has no talk page on Wikimedia! I've been downloading his file in Italian auto-translated by Microsoft translate in Edge Chromium on my new Windows 11 HP desktop computer. My point is that everything I have been researching for the past year is already on Wikipedia AND Wikimedia under his former IP address in Italy and has been selectively used by editors at Wikipedia AND Wikimedia without citations... Yet not taken down because??? I don't get it!!! This subject of Giovanni Dall'Orto in Milan, Italy is a PhD historian that has contributed tons of stuff to Wikipedia and Wikimedia prior to 2003. His Italian website: (La gaya scienza - Site about homosexuality and culture (giovannidallorto.com) in not a secure website and was last updated in 2012, so most likely he's dead now. He had no talk page! I've been downloading his file in Italian auto-translated by Microsoft translate in Edge Chromium on my new Windows 11 HP desktop computer. My point is that everything I have been researching for the past year is already on Wikipedia AND Wikimedia under his former IP address in Italy and has been selectively used by editors at Wikipedia AND Wikimedia without citations... Yet not taken down because??? I don't get it!!! This subject of Gloeden and Plüschow is really f***ed-up, and at every turn of every page and category. Very little was actually uploaded by Giovanni Dall'Orto when he was actually logged-in, and most was just tagging his old IP address. What will it take to get the community to fix all of this mess? I've tried and because I'm a green-horn administrators are reverting my edits and threating me texts citing the policies for being banned. is really f***ed-up, and at every turn of every page and category. Very little was actually uploaded by Giovanni Dall'Orto when he was actually logged-in, and most was just tagging his old IP address. What will it take to get the community to fix all of this mess? I've tried and because I'm a green-horn administrators are reverting my edits and threating me texts citing the policies for being banned. What does it take to get the community to straighten this out??? What I have been attempting to do in edits is based on already existing uploaded material. StevenJoelSpeirs (talk) 20:09, 21 June 2023 (UTC) Links at Wikipedia: Guglielmo Plüschow, Wilhelm von Gloeden. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 20:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC) You should familiarize yourself with WP:COPYOTHERS. Ruslik_Zero 20:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

StevenJoelSpeirs, what you write is long, repetitive, and confusing. You ask "What will it take to get the community to fix all of this mess? [...] What does it take to get the community to straighten this out???" But unfortunately by this point I've lost the plot (if there is one). Just what is the problem, or what are the problems, related to text in en:Wikipedia? You seem to be additionally concerned with some problem(s) "at Wikimedia". For a problem or problems at Wikimedia Commons, ask at Wikimedia Commons. Concision is a virtue. -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Please excuse the copying, just attempting to parse this for others' benefit:

Giovanni Dall'Orto in Milan, Italy is a PhD historian that has contributed tons of stuff to Wikipedia and Wikimedia prior to 2003. His Italian website: (La gaya scienza - Site about homosexuality and culture (giovannidallorto.com) in not a secure website and was last updated in 2012, so most likely he's dead now. He has no talk page on Wikimedia! I've been downloading his file in Italian auto-translated by Microsoft translate in Edge Chromium on my new Windows 11 HP desktop computer. My point is that everything I have been researching for the past year is already on Wikipedia AND Wikimedia under his former IP address in Italy and has been selectively used by editors at Wikipedia AND Wikimedia without citations... Yet not taken down because??? I don't get it!!!...This subject of Gloeden and Plüschow is really f***ed-up, and at every turn of every page and category. Very little was actually uploaded by Giovanni Dall'Orto when he was actually logged-in, and most was just tagging his old IP address. What will it take to get the community to fix all of this mess? I've tried and because I'm a green-horn administrators are reverting my edits and threating me texts citing the policies for being banned...What I have been attempting to do in edits is based on already existing uploaded material.

Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:36, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for cutting the repetition, Rotideypoc41352, but what's left is still incomprehensible. "[Contributing] tons of stuff to Wikipedia and Wikimedia prior to 2003" would make him an early contributor. It:Wikipedia reports L'utenza "Giovanni Dall'Orto" non è registrata. But "everything I have been researching for the past year is already on Wikipedia AND Wikimedia under his former IP address in Italy". So maybe it's all as an IP. Well, which IP? It "has been selectively used by editors at Wikipedia AND Wikimedia without citations": whether or not an editor is logged in, their contributions can normally be located via article histories. Or have the revisions been deleted? Et cetera. Perhaps StevenJoelSpeirs would care to rephrase. -- Hoary (talk) 02:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit summary on StevenJoelSpeirs's (SJS) 20:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC) edit for the Guglielmo Plüschow article reads: Lengthened the biography from Italian encyclopedia translated into English by Google translator and copy pasted here. So, text may have been translated from the it:Guglielmo Plüschow. That and several other edits on the enwp article have been suppressed, presumably because they were found to be copyvio or close paraphrase of giovannidallorto.com. I infer that SJS is arguing that this is a false positive by asserting that one of the contributors to the it-wiki article, G.dallorto, is the author of the copyrighted content and has released it under a compatible license by copying it to Wikipedia. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:55, 22 June 2023 (UTC) and 05:56, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Rotideypoc41352, you are refreshingly lucid. Thank you. ¶ In his user talk page, G.dallorto signs himself as "Giovanni Dall'Orto". (If we're going to be legalistic about this, he doesn't explicitly declare that he is Giovanni Dall'Orto, but it's clear that he's happy to leave this impression.) But for "G.dallorto" (who has contributed as recently as one week ago) to say, or to give the impression, that he's Dall'Orto isn't enough. Instead, Dall'Orto must say -- in Italian, French, Spanish or of course English -- that he's "G.dallorto". For this purpose, SJS can invite him to contact VRT. ¶ The history of "Talk:Pancrazio Buciunì" shows that very recently a very large addition was twice made by SJS, twice reverted by AzaToth, and hidden. The addition was of a draft article. Putting aside for a moment the (more important) matter of authorship and copyright, posting a long draft is not what a talk page is for. -- Hoary (talk) 09:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth, it:User:G.dallorto#Chi sono has said since 2014 or so: Mi chiamo Giovanni Dall'Orto...sono un giornalista [...] Il mio sito personale si chiama La gaya scienza, e l'ho cannibalizzato per scrivere in questo sito. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:16, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

nessa b artiste bio

I my name is Vennissa Marriott aka nessa b I am a recording artist from Jamaica I try to publish my bio how can I get that done on wikipedia as a entertainer Nessa B Recording Artiste (talk) 04:21, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

First, Nessa B Recording Artiste, read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, slowly and carefully. If you (i) believe that you satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for notability and (ii) still want an article, then practise your article-related skills by improving articles about subjects unrelated to yourself. (Of course, you must rely on reliable sources to do this.) If you've made dozens of edits, over a month or longer, without having your edits reverted, then (and only then) create a draft about yourself. Remember that if it ever becomes an article it will be entirely beyond your control. -- Hoary (talk) 06:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Please help me

Cite error: The named reference MyNeta was invoked but never defined

Kindly clear the error which I have shared above as I am unable to check it from my end. Rajshree151 (talk) 05:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Rajshree Singh Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 06:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Rajshree151 and welcome to the Teahouse. I've fixed the ref. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 06:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Here's what I changed to fix the error: Edit difference. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 06:57, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring issue

Hi, where to report edit warring by someone on a certain page? I made legitimate edits on Imran Khan with multiple reliable citations. But the user SahafatKaLover18 undid my edits twice as they seem to have their own criterion of biased/unbiased sources and I don't think the issue can be resolved without intervention of other editors. Insight 3 (talk) 06:39, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

This is not edit warring, since there's now discussion on the talk page and edits to the article have stopped. At this point, you discuss the issue; if it stalls and no other editors join, then you can pursue dispute resolution. For now, you shouldn't report anything, because there's nothing to report. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 07:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

create an article on a living person

Can someone help me create an article on a living person, I'll provide necessary links as well Unitedmotionpictures (talk) 07:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Unitedmotionpictures.

First things first- your username goes against the Wikipedia:ORGNAME policy as it seems to be representing the name of a company. You should request a Wikipedia:Changing username immediately.

Secondly, you need to read the Wikipedia:Notability (people) policy, which sets out if the person you want to create an article about meets the strict notability threshold. To sum up:

- Reliable Sources: Your article should rely on strong, reliable sources. These sources should be independent of the subject (not self-published or from the subject's own website) and published by reputable institutions. Primary sources can be used to cite basic biographical facts, but they must be supplemented with strong secondary sources that offer analysis or interpretation.

- Significant Coverage: Your subject should be discussed in detail in the sources you find. A brief mention is not usually enough to establish notability. The sources should provide in-depth information about the subject, going beyond basic facts or promotional material.

- Multiple Sources: You should find at least three strong, reliable sources that discuss your subject. If all of your information comes from a single source, it may not be enough to demonstrate that the subject is notable.

- No Original Research: Wikipedia articles should summarise existing knowledge about a subject, not present new research. This means you should avoid drawing your own conclusions or analyses from the sources. Stick to summarising what the sources say in a neutral tone.

- Neutral point of view: Your article must be written in a neutral, encyclopaedic, tone. Wikipedia is not an advertising platform or a place to promote an organisation or person.

Once you've digested all that, have a look at Help:Your first article.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 07:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

the lubavitcher rebbe as moshiach

i wrote a true and fair article about the lubavitcher rebbe being moshiach. i stutctured it correctly and used a lot of good citations. they blocked me and even put the document into semi protection. any advice on how to go about this> thank you. MendelDeren (talk) 05:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

MendelDeren is evading an IP partial-block. (Non-administrator comment)

Courtesy Links: Menachem Mendel Schneerson, history. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 05:46, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

There is no valid blocking in place.

To make a legal lock, you would have to:

1. SHOW what edit you have a problem with

2. EXPLAIN what the issue is

3. PROVE that you are making a valid claim (the use of citation is recommended MendelDeren (talk) 06:08, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@MendelDeren Although your three criteria are not part of either the protection policy or blocking policy, in response to your points: 1) the edits that let to protection of the article would appear to be the IP's edit [2], their revert with a possible legal threat in the edit summary [3], and your revert with an accusation of political bias in the edit summary [4]. 2) The edit summary on Acroterion's revert clearly explains the issue: "discussion is compulsory, stop accusing people of bad faith, and you're evading an article block" [5]. 3) The similarity in behaviour between yourself and the IP, as well as the timing, is sufficient proof; no technical evidence is needed to back the assertion that are, or are editing at the direction of, the IP, so the protection is in order. —C.Fred (talk) 12:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

MendelDeren given the lock on the article, you have properly started to request article changes on the Talk page of Menachem Mendel Schneerson. Continue there. David notMD (talk) 11:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

You are suspected of being the same person as IP 204.128.182.22 - who has been blocked from editing the MMS article for a year - because edits by the IP were reverted, and you then reverted the revert with similarly worded Edit summaries. If you are not that IP, declare so on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Page taken down

My article was deleted when I stated why it shouldn’t be. Don’t find the help team useful at all. 2A02:C7D:854:0:219B:F6DA:E731:2830 (talk) 08:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't see which article was deleted. Do you have a registered username? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes it was Kaitlindidoli 2A02:C7D:854:0:219B:F6DA:E731:2830 (talk) 11:37, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: User talk:Kaitlindidoli#Speedy deletion nomination of Kaitlin Didoli

Hi IP, from the post on your user page it seems that the article you wrote failed Wikipedias notability policies. Your article also could have been taken down because it appears to fall under wp:NOTYOU. The policy is much longer than this. But to keep it succinct, you cannot write a Wikipedia page about yourself. No matter how notable you think you are. Leave that to others to use teliable sources to determine your notability. You might want to read up on these policies to see if they answer your question. I hope this helps. AdmiralAckbar1977 ^{talk contribs} 11:53, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Kaitlindidoli. (As you have this user ID, please log in to it before editing.) The reason why your autobiography Kaitlin Didoli was deleted was "Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject". In its final version before it was deleted, the reader learned that you "learned to sing and play the guitar", and that you/she "started her career on television in 2023. Her first appearance was on BOARDERS." And that was all. Well, OK; but something similar can be said for tens of thousands of people. Moreover, none of this was referenced, anywhere. You wrote: "I’m an actor and a musician I need an article page for fans." This isn't what Wikipedia is for. You're welcome to create your own website for this purpose. -- Hoary (talk) 12:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

How do i get a Wikipedia page then? Kaitlindidoli (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

When you become notable, other editors will hopefully create an article about you. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Can it be the producer of the film? Kaitlindidoli (talk) 12:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

The article should really be written by independent, uninvolved editors. What you can do is get yourself significant coverage in independent, reliable, published, secondary sources. See WP:GOLDENRULE. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:54, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

To second @Esowteric, Wait until you’ve been covered extensively in reliable independent sources. So, basically, to quote T.I. and Rihanna, live your life. AdmiralAckbar1977 ^{talk contribs} 12:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

So if the producer does it can they do it through my account if they change the login details on the account to their details? Kaitlindidoli (talk) 12:51, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Your producer is going to have the same conflict of interest issues. No, your producer can't share your account. They should start their own account. --Onorem (talk) 12:55, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

If I understand you right, the producer shouldn't be doing it. It needs to be someone who doesn't know you and has no connection with you--someone who has read enough about you in reliable sources unconnected with you that that someone will be motivated to write about you here.

And by the way, no! The producer should not do anything here using your account. If the producer wants to do anything in Wikipedia, he/she MAY do it without an account (in most cases), but ideally should set up his/her own account. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Then how do i get my account removed cause it’s pointless having an account now Kaitlindidoli (talk) 12:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

With respect, Wikipedia is a cooperative, collaborative endeavour. We help one-another, so it's more "us, us, us" than "me, me, me". Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Kaitlindidoli. Accounts can't be deleted for the reasons given in WP:DELETEACCOUNT. You can simply stop using the account or you can request a courtesy vanishing if you no longer want to edit Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Something to aim for: get yourself (or have your producer help you get) three or more good, strong features, eg in a newspaper, magazine, radio, podcast, TV, web site (but not unreliable sources like IMDb, personal blogs, or your own web site). And in the meantime, establish your own web presence. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:16, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I propose edits to Template editor restricted pages

There is a taxonomy template Template:Taxonomy/Panarthropoda which is linked by thousands of pages that I want to link up with my newly created template Template:Taxonomy/Cryptovermes. How can I propose an edit like this? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 09:22, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Immanuelle. The instructions appear (for me) upon clicking View source on that page. You'd need to submit an edit request on the talk page using {{edit template-protected}}. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm trying to make a template and the TemplateData keeps showing

So i am trying to create an infobox on the wiki media but the template data keeps showing. I don't want the templatedata to be visible but i still want the template data on the infobox. But it keeps showing up, even with the tag. Here is the template sandbox i'm trying to test: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ALeahnn_Rey%2Fsandbox&redirect=no Leahnn Rey (talk) 05:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Is it better now? Mathglot (talk) 06:34, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

What are you talking about Leahnn Rey (talk) 07:30, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

You said, " i am trying to create an infobox on the wiki media but the template data keeps showing", so I made a change to your template, and now I would like to know whether that change fixed it or not. Can you please go look at whatever infobox you are using to transclude it and tell me if that fixed it or not, i.e., is the template data still showing? Mathglot (talk) 15:25, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Rejected Article

Hi,

I had my article rejected due to the sources not being reliable. I have rewritten the article with new sources and saved it as a draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tusker_Cars. Please could someone take a look to see if it would be accepted now?

Thank you. Cars1472 (talk) 10:38, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Cars1472 and welcome to the Teahouse.

Block evasion? Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1190#First_Article_Help. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:43, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cars1472 The problem with your prior submission is not the reliability of the sources but that they don't meet the key criteria to demonstrate the notability of the company as Wikipedia defines that. To me you have a routine company much like any other. There are over 300 million companies on the planet and the ones with articles here need to be limited to the most written-about independently. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Cars1472, it wasn't rejected; it was declined. These may seem to be synonyms, but in Wikipedia-speak they are not. ("Rejected" means "Give up and stop wasting your and our time." "Declined" means "Sorry, no. Not this time. But feel free to improve this and try again.") -- Hoary (talk) 10:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for you advise. The article I was basing this of was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Autolease, as Tusker Cars are owned by the same company. Is there anything I can do to improve the article. Cars1472 (talk) 14:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cars1472: Yes! To improve the Lex Autolease article and Draft:Tusker Cars, you can find independent reliable sources (not press releases or interviews) that provide significant coverage of the companies, and add information based on those sources. GoingBatty (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Question about wording

Hi, so, this is kind of a grammar question. I made an extended-confirmed-protected edit request on the article Arab world to adjust/correct the wording of the caption of one of the images, as well as link a specific page. A user answered the request but only partly. They linked the page but refused to to adjust the wording. The request I made was to change "in the premiere" to "at the premiere"; they said the former is correct, but I disagree. Even if both are I think the latter should be used as it is much more common. I know this is kind of trivial but just wanted some opinions. Thanks. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Snowstormfigorion and welcome to the Teahouse. I may be wrong, but I've always thought it was "at the premiere", as you suggest. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Assuming the premiere was an event, yeah, I agree. "In the premiere" would be correct if it was something like the premiere of a TV series that the people are acting in (and the picture is a screenshot of it). But "at" is most likely correct here. WPscatter ^t/_c 16:13, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the responds. Can someone please alter it, would be much appreciated. Thanks again. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 16:22, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done as discussed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:11, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I need help making an article.

I just want to know how I make an article, I do not want that article wizard with no magical abilities whatsoever, I want to know to how make an article, not how to edit an article, how to make one, make one like how you would actually make it, not how to edit it. Idontneedmoneytohavefuntonight (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Idontneedmoneytohavefuntonight: Check out the information at WP:YFA, it should help you. The use of the wizard is optional, if you don't want to use it. RudolfRed (talk) 23:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

See WP:BACKWARD. In brief, if you have a topic in mind, find references, then write only what is verified by the references. David notMD (talk) 02:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Idontneedmoneytohavefuntonight, start your draft by gathering up several reliable sources that are entirely independent of your topic, that also devote significant, in-depth coverage to that topic. Format those into references, following the advice at Referencing for beginners. Now, read those references again as if you knew nothing about the topic. Neutrally summarize what those references say about the topic, placing each reference in the draft following the content it verifies.

To summarize, high quality references are equivalent to gold and diamonds on Wikipedia. Everything else is pro forma and utterly dependent on the references. Any halfway competent Wikipedia editor can quickly write an acceptable article if presented with four or five golden references, even knowing nothing in advance about the topic. But nobody can write an acceptable article when presented 100 mediocre references. Quality is vastly more important than quantity. Cullen328 (talk) 08:29, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Idontneedmoneytohavefuntonight. Once you find at least 3 good references remember to rewrite the information in your own words. If you copy and paste what someone else wrote you will be violating copyright laws. Writing a good encyclopedia article is hard work, but take your time, and follow the guidelines linked in earlier comments. Best wishes on your Wikipedia projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:18, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

You may simply be looking for the information that articles are created by clicking on red links, such as List of tiki bars in Norway.  Card Zero  (talk) 19:16, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

How to create a new page for article?

I want to create a new page with new username for someone's biography but i'm not able to get through. Vishwa Salot (talk) 06:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@vishwa salot: see help:your first article for our guidance on this. lettherebedarklight晚安 06:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Vishwa Salot, please understand that there is absolutely no connection between a someone's Username and the title of any articles they wish to create. You have your username, which is unique to your Wikipedia account as an individual, and nobody else should ever be allowed to use your account. Using your account named Vishwa Salot, You can attempt to create an article (it's difficult, so good luck) about anything you choose: many users here have created dozens of different articles. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 46.65.228.117 (talk) 08:03, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

If you are trying to create a new user account on this Wiki, then whatever you did to create your current username should work. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:25, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Sources for a translated article

Hello,

I am in the midst of translating an article on a sailing pioneer from Israel, my home country. I speak Hebrew, and when making an English version of the article I used television and newspaper interviews in Hebrew as a source. In hindsight, I realized that I don't actually know if it is okay to cite a Hebrew source for an English article, so I only cited the few English sources actually out there. The submission was declined for lack of citations, which I totally understand, but it leaves me asking - can I cite a Hebrew source on an English article? If I add those sources and resubmit, could that help my chance of getting approved?

Thanks all, and have a great day. Itayalush (talk) 12:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Itayalush, if a source is a sound one, it may be in any language. Given a choice between two sources of the same reliability and that would achieve the same purpose, one source in Hebrew and the other in English; please use the English one; otherwise, you can use either. You mention interviews. If you're writing about a sailing pioneer, be sure not to attempt to base your article or draft on interviews with that sailing pioneer. (Interviews with experts on sailing who are unrelated to this pioneer would be a lot more usable.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:09, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Itayalush: just to clarify, this draft was declined because you haven't actually cited any of your sources, merely listed them at the end, and such 'general references' aren't enough in articles on living people, we need inline citations. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:18, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes you may use Hebrew sources. It would be good to write something like (In Hebrew) after them. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:28, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

How to go as far as an article writing would even

Hello,

Before I write an article or even start editing as to whether it should, I was hoping someone could explain how it would even go so far as to allow notwithstanding? Basically, I’m trying to decide if there is a question as to whether or not even in summary. Thanks Ron John Donson (talk) 20:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ron John Donson, I'm not sure I understand your question? It doesn't seem to follow a clear train of thought or adhere to conventional grammar and sentence structure.

Maybe reading Help:Your first article could be of use? Qcne (talk) 20:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Advice to all new editors is put in time at attempts to improve existing articles before even thinking about creating an article. With certain exceptions (locked/protected articles) everyone is able to edit any article. Personal opinions and original research are forbidden - all factual statements require references for verification. David notMD (talk) 20:09, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Need Suggestion

Hi, hopefully, everyone is well. Can someone give me a suggestion on (Shojib) this draft is the writing style correct and what needs to be fixed? Thanks. EngrShakamal (talk) 15:28, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @EngrShakamal. You have some language in your article which is not written from a Neutral point of view or is written in an informal, non-encyclopaedic way. Examples include: "And thus the journey began", "of most popular channel named", "and so on", "He has done his four years", "He also got", "most prestigious cultural organizations". Have a read of Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Qcne (talk) 15:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. EngrShakamal (talk) 15:55, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

It's also worth remembering that Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia, and is not a place for promotional language. Qcne (talk) 15:46, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. EngrShakamal (talk) 15:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @EngrShakamal - I removed some of the promotional language and made some language more formal. It's not clear whether the releases you mentioned are songs (which should be in "quotation marks") or albums (which should be in italics). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will improvise more and try to write clearly. EngrShakamal (talk) 15:57, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Dear, @GoingBatty Please check again. I have added some references and fixed some things. Please let me know if it's okay now. EngrShakamal (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@EngrShakamal: Please edit the draft to make it clear whether the Discography contain songs or albums or both. GoingBatty (talk) 17:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I have written "Song Title" instead of "Title" in Discography. Hope it's clear now. EngrShakamal (talk) 17:52, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty- Can I delete this line has topped charts in leading music stores of Bangladesh from this His first solo album, THE TAGORE TREASURY for G Series, produced by Agniveena, has topped charts in leading music stores of Bangladesh. line? Because I don't remember the line I saw in a news. Thanks. EngrShakamal (talk) 18:33, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@EngrShakamal Every fact should be backed up by an independent and reliable source, so if you don't remember where you heard that he "topped charts in leading music stores" and cannot find a source, then you should definitely delete it, as it would not be verifiable. Qcne (talk) 19:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@EngrShakamal: It's your draft, so you can delete whatever you like. However, the draft does need to demonstrate how he meets the notability criteria for musicians. GoingBatty (talk) 20:25, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @GoingBatty- You have helped a lot. I fixed the verification of "Gold Medal". Hope it's good now. Now waiting for the review. EngrShakamal (talk) 21:46, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I change the size of a userbox

How do I change the size of a userbox Not a Normal Username (talk) 03:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I report what appears to be a bug?

I just received the same message 14 times. This appears to be a bug. Is there an IT group that I can discuss this with. It is a serious issue because someone could take it as harassment. Starlighsky (talk) 08:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Starlighsky, and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to discuss how the software works, rather than the editing side, is WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 10:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 10:49, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Unblock, help with creation of article about an artist

Eleanorahon is indefinitely blocked as a puppet of globally blocked Eleonorahon. -- Hoary (talk) 11:49, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, please can somebody guide and assist me in creation of article about my work since I was blocked doing it by myself. I would still like to gather data on Wikidata to enable research. My ancient username was Eleonorahon, it was b locked, I had created another, the same today, and wanted to create a developer account on Wikimedia Wikidata, as Wikidata is still blocked / but can not connect neither, probably as my IP address is blocked. I did not care about publicity, awards, etc in the past so had some issues with prove of notability, however believe in recognition on the content end execution level. / Norma De Saint Picman &Noravisionsolar was the article created, which lasted quite some time since there was domino/ effect of editors which were even not instructed in Arts that erased the article and also all data. There was also kind of push from editors, that are willing to assist creation of pages by being paid who counselled me to, and in panics I had made some stupid things, like stockpupetting. As the initial account was blocked / Eleonorahon / was blocked on Wikidata, created Eleonorahonguard today as well, but it does not work so I am again in the same conflict. Please help me to resolve that issue> have many more editions to made. best regards Eleanorahon (talk) 11:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC) Hi @Eleanorahon. Firstly, it sounds like you have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest as you work for Norma. You need to declare that immediately (follow the instructions in the link). Secondly, you may have been asked to create this article by Norma. Please have a read of Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia which goes over why this is not a good idea. Thirdly, you need to establish if Norma meets the Wikipedia:Notability (people) threshold before you consider creating an article. People who do not meet the notability criteria are not permitted to have an article about them. Once you have read all that, before creating an article you must find sources that cover Norma in detail. Do not create the article Wikipedia:BACKWARD by writing it and then finding sources. You need to find sources first and then write the article by summarising the sources in your own words. Note that the sources must be: - Reliable: Your sources should be published by reputable institutions. Primary sources can be used for basic facts, but they should be supplemented with strong secondary sources that offer analysis or interpretation. - Independent: Your sources should be independent of Norma, for example not self-published or from the her own website. - Show significant coverage: Norma should be discussed in detail in the sources you find. The sources should provide in-depth information and analysis about Norma, going beyond basic facts or promotional material. - From multiple places:You should find at least three separate strong, reliable, secondary sources that discuss Norma. If you can't find sources that meet the above requirements, then Norma is not notable by Wikipedia definition and cannot have an article at this time. Please note that Wikipedia is not a place for promotion or advertisement (see Wikipedia:PROMO). This means that your article must both be written in a Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and the sources you find can't have been directly influenced by Norma, for example a publicity interview. Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 11:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC) Hi Eleanorahon, if you stil believe you/the subject is notable enough for a Wikipedia article, you could add an article request at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Visual arts. Sionk (talk) 11:46, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Conflicting Numbers

I asked this question last week, but got no answer...

..as you don't get an answer here unless, you specify which subject you're talking about...

...even when it's irrelevant to the question, as people always want to interfere in whatever you're doing.

So here is the "irrelevant to the question" subject article Designation Scheme, after around 6 days of me slowly adding a table, searching for articles of every organisation and collection, searching to see where exactly some of them are stored, and double checking them all, in a room which is like a sauna in Summer.

Arts Council England say on their Designated Collections page, which is also embedded onto their Designation Scheme page, that...

"There are currently 154 Designated collections held in organisations across the whole of England."

That statement is false.

It was obviously false as shown by the 16th of April 2018 date also on their Designated Collections page, above an...

XLSX file dated May 2023 which contains a list of the Current Designated Collections.

Here's the updated XLSX file Designated Collections List May 2023 which automatically downloads.

They've updated the Designated Collections XLSX file on their website, but they haven't updated their Designated Collections page in over 5 years.

In the 5 years since they last updated the Designated Collections web page, the Designated Collections have increased by 9, from 154 Designated Collections to 163 Designated Collections.

11 hours ago I finally got a reply to my email 5 days ago (which is rare for big organisations, as big organisations like this normally ignore my emails), which said...

"Hello Daniel, Thank you for getting in touch about the Designated Collections pages on the Arts Council’s website. We confirm there are currently 163 Designated collections, and we have asked our Digital Team to update the text on the Designated Collections web pages to reflect this. Best wishes, Jenny White. Officer, Accreditation & Designation. Arts Council England"

Their total number for their designated collections are 5 years out of date. The news stories reporting on the total number of "designation schemes/designated collections/designated status,", over the last 5 years, have therefore also been incorrect.

So, basically my question was...

Can I use the actual number, even when the organisations themselves get the numbers wrong?

Or (if they didn't have the XLSX file) would I have had to wait until they've got their digital team to update their website, or wait for some other source to write the correct number? Danstarr69 (talk) 00:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

If sources disagree or conflict with reality, it is best not to mention the factoid at all and wait until the sources sort themselves out. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69 The policy WP:V is pretty clear. The source you supply has to directly support what you say in the article. So in this case (before they update their webpage, if they do) you would have to cite the .xlsx file as your source. You could do that but for this particular piece of information you could just "say more than 150 collections"(cited to webpage), or leave it out. Note that there is also an {{As of}} template that may be helpful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

How to include material from a British music magazine into a Wikipedia edit

Hello Wikipedia Teahouse friends, I hope that your day is well.

I am trying to make my second ever edit in Wikipedia, on this particular page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_Heaven

I have a question about copyright. There is an article from a British music magazine called Sound on Sound which contains very good material for a music album by a Swiss band called The Young Gods that I would like to include into Wikipedia. However, I am having trouble putting things into my own words so that I do not violate copyright.

I mean, there is a set of facts taken from the article that I would like to convey, but there are only so many ways to say it. I can try to "artificially" change the sentence structure, while still resembling the original in terms of the facts that it is conveying. I don't know how much change is deemed enough, or if it can be done at all.

I am a bit scared, because I read that I can't put copyrighted material even into my sandbox!

Any help on how to proceed with my second (attempted) edit will be appreciated.

Thank you, and have a nice day. Huggykoala68 (talk) 22:33, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Artificially changing does work. Maybe omit some things or change order. Otherwise, you can cite the article or put some of the content in quotes -- although putting something in quotes doesn't automatically make it ok, as copyright can sometimes apply to that, too. But, as you said, this process can be said, as there are only so many ways you can clearly state facts that have already been worded in the clearest and simplest way in a sources article. If you need any help, you can tell me on my talk page. Professor Penguino (talk) 22:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Huggykoala68. Try taking a look at WP:PLAGIARISM because that's what you're going to need to try and avoid. There are some suggestions given on that particular page on how to do so, but you might also want to try searching online for more. It can be difficult to summarize what a reliable source is saying in a manner that's OK for Wikipedia because there's no one correct way to do so, but that's what you're going to need to figure out how to do. For reference, it's OK to directly quote a reliable source in a Wikipedia article as explained in MOS:QUOTATION, but it's best not to use quotes to extent that you're essentially doing nothing but copying-and-pasting large blocks of content from the source into the article. If you make a good-faith mistake or two in the process, someone will probably let you know and ask you to be more careful; mistakes, however, are expected, particularly from newer editors and you will be able to treat them as a learning experience. As long as you don't keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again (especially after being warned), you should be OK. Finally, since you're asking about a Wikipedia article about an album, you can also try asking for feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums or try asking about it on the talk page for the article itself to see if others can help figure out a good way to incorporate the content you want to add from that source. You could also try looking for similar articles that are considered to be WP:GA or WP:FA articles for examples of how others have tackled this type of thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:06, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Huggykoala68: You could also start a discussion on the article's talk page Talk:Only Heaven detailing what facts you want to convey (and a link to the magazine article if possible). Hopefully other editors interested in this band would be interested in helping you. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Maplink template

Hi please look at the map I have placed on Hyderabad Multi-Modal Transport System in the infobox using the maplink template (that generated the transport network system automatically) . But it has been expanded recently to more stations and that is not present on the map. What am I supposed to do get that reflected on the map? (Please tag if you reply) Thank you. 456legend(talk) 12:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 456legend, and welcome back to the Teahouse. I'm pretty sure that the data used in the map comes from the Wikidata item d:Q1952301, which is the item for the system. That Wikidata item does not have any lines or stations, but if you pick "What links here" on the Wikidata item, you will find various lines and stations. My guess (I don't know for sure) that any additions will need to be added to Wikidata and linked to the system appropriately for {{maplink}} to pick them up. ColinFine (talk) 15:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Finishing the tanslation of an article for an german scitific society

Hello, i want to become more experienced in translating german wikipedia articels into the englisch version. I made this translation and want to bring it into the english wikipedias normal article space. What are the next instructions? And alo which kind of feedback can you give me regarding the current version of the Article?

User:Aberlin2/Deutsche Gesellschaft für Erziehungswissenschaft

thanks in advance Aberlin2 (talk) Aberlin2 (talk) 12:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Aberlin2: Welcome to the Teahouse! Most of the references in your draft are self-published, and articles on the English Wikipedia aren't based on what organizations say about themselves. I suggest finding more independent sources that have provided significant coverage of the organization, and incorporating that information in the draft. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

The point being made there is that each language Wikipedia has its own rules about allowed references. David notMD (talk) 20:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD@GoingBatty

Thank you, for your support.

I tried to add more sources, but I have the feeling, that this should be enough for a start. I think my first goal is to bring the article online as a translation and no to research sources on the whole history of the organization. I guess for the general Information like Name and structure of the Organization, their own webpage should probably be the most credible source.

My question: what is the easiest and most direct, acceptable way to publish the article?

For example: should I try to move it to the normal article space in the current status? Should I just remove a lot of sentences which have just one-sided references even if this will remove a lot of possible helpful information and make the article very short, or try to find help from other persons to find more or better sources?

what do you think?

what should be my next step?

Aberlin2 (talk) 11:46, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Remove the society website references except when used for simple information. For the moment, keep the now-unreferenced information and see if you can add independent references. OK if in German. Submit as a draft for review. While waiting for a reviewer, continue to search for references. Decide is some unreferenced information is essential to the article, or can be removed. Review will take place in days to months (the system is not a queue). If declined, the reviewer will give reasons to be addressed before submitting again. David notMD (talk) 14:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@Aberlin2: I have added the submission template to your draft for you. I suggest reviewing the English Wikipedia's notability criteria for organizations (which may differ from the German Wikipedia's criteria) and the information linked in the template I added to your draft. I agree with David notMD's suggestions as well. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

The problem you've run into is the classic problem of translating from German Wikipedia. The German article that you translated, although having "Einzelnachweise", i.e. inline citations, is based primarily on what English Wikipedia would call "General referencing", in the form of a large "Literatur" section. Here, this would be seen as merely "further reading", irrelevant as a source for the material of the article itself, which is why you will be criticised for failure to find references not coming directly from the organisation itself. It might be that some of those Literatur references, if you can track them down, can be converted into inline citations. One already is. Good luck! Elemimele (talk) 20:36, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Where can I draw attention to WP:AIV?

There are a ton of vandals which have been reported on WP:AIV, but none of them are getting blocked. Is there any way I can get an admin to check the page? Thank you. Professor Penguino (talk) 00:57, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Professor Penguino Yes, you can flag this up for the attention of admins at WP:AN. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Professor Penguino (talk) 01:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Professor Penguino I should add that there's generally no point in leaving a final warning for an IP editor and immediately reporting them to WP:AIV. We expect editors to monitor what the user is doing, and only report them after they've ignored your warning and still continued vandalising. However, the edits of the IP you reported who was repeatedly damaging List of public broadcasters by country did deserve an immediate block. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:21, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for the note. I'm happy to help. Have a nice day! Professor Penguino (talk) 01:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

What do you do when an article's History of a classic song has major dubious allegations made in it?

In the article entry on the classic UK acid house track, "Stakker Humanoid," it appears that the History has been rewritten by one of the contributors of the song (the engineer and producer) to allege some fairly harsh broadsides against the original composer of the song: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakker_Humanoid

The frustration seems to be that the original composer did not share rights to the song after it was re-recorded and augmented in a group session.

One of the members of the team, Mark McClean, who is characterized as being also jilted, in fact went on to work with the original composer Brian Dougans for many years, supplying cover art, sleeve art and visuals for the Future Sound of London. McClean is a visual artist and not a musician to begin with, so the inclusion of McClean in the allegation is strained. Dougans also retained his contract for a while with the Westside Records label that released "Stakker Humanoid," so clearly the label owner saw the track as authored by Dougans, not the engineer and co-producer.

I personally am sensitive to creative authorship. I understand why John Lake (who seems to be the one who changed the History at some point to air his contributions and grievances) may feel the need to prosecute his case on this Wikipedia page. But it is not supported by any independent source (no citations) and it has been well established for years by journalists and upheld legally it seems, that Dougans is the primary author of the track. Tellingly, the History begins with the note that the composition existed before the session involving Lake.

Also, Lake never did anything of note in the years following, whereas Dougans has, over and over, as recently as helping Daniel Pemberton source many of the sounds for Pemberton's impactful Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse score (citation: https://twitter.com/danielpemberton/status/1075816351611142144?lang=en&fbclid=IwAR2XaHvI4g58Q8HMILYatQGPT5kR7uj2HYx4Q2819Lk9JtrZajPqMzFV-iU), among his continued acclaimed output in the FSOL mold over the past three decades.

It makes Wikipedia look bad that this kind of stuff can show up here. It seems that Lake played the role he was supposed to as an engineer, got a producer credit for his contributions, but is bitter that he did not get the money that Dougans has received for being the original author. Also, contrary to the general thrust of the article, it seems Dougans has not tried to erase the others from the history of the song, as can be seen in this Electronic Sound article, where he mentions everyone involved, including Laker: https://www.electronicsound.co.uk/landmarks/humanoid/

What exactly does one do in a case like this? I think the History needs major revisions, and the Lake allegations need an objective context, if they should stay in the History at all. Ghostdeeper (talk) 03:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ghostdeeper: Welcome to the Teahouse! One solution could be to revert the unsourced content, and ask them to discuss it on the article's talk page per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. GoingBatty (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

"this is my template. there are many like it but this one is mine"

is there any real problem with using custom templates for things like welcomes (for example, one more geared for music-centered accounts, or one that clarifies whether or not wikipedia is censored), userbox handling, or bludgeoning people with marine fauna?

this obviously means only things that go on user and talk pages, and i wouldn't risk using custom warnings cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 14:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san: That is no problem at all!

For instance, I created {{subst:link current revision}} to easily get the permalink to a given page. I find it super-useful: compared to going through the page history, clicking the revision, copy-pasting the URL, I can just preview the source. As far as I can tell, there is no other template or user script doing a similar job, and nobody else ever uses mine (but maybe this shameless plug will fix that?). So that’s pretty strong evidence that my taste is uncommon.

The only things to watch would be performance-hogging templates. As long as you don’t use any of the magic words / parser functions marked "[expensive]" and colored in orange in the MW doc you should be fine. (If you don’t know what magic words are, you’re probably not using them.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

nice

i guess that template would help with a decent warning one if i were to try it, even though it'd involve warning before reverting an edit

and fortunately, the templates i had planned out _{(in word so it doesn't show up in my sandbox history)} aren't really more complex than text, unfunny pictures whose copyright i'm looking into, and a small handful of links

and uh

are templates made in mediawiki or in a link my intellectually deprived nutrient disposal orifice somehow missed in here? cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 17:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I have read that last sentence three times, and I still don't know what you're trying to say.

But there is nothing to stop you creating user subpages as templates (provided they do not contravene WP:UPNO, of course) and transcluding them in your user page or elsewhere. Any page can be transcluded by using the double curly brackets: if there is no namespace given, it assumes "Template:", but you could just as well transclude User:Cog-san/mytemplates/1 or whatever, by {{User:Cog-san/mytemplates/1}} ColinFine (talk) 09:10, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

_{it means "dumb ass"}

so that's where it was

thanks

fortunately, nothing i want to make would break those rules, and the possibly maybe copyrighted image wasn't copyrighted at all cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 11:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tigraan: a link to the current revision of a page is a good tool. There is already a "Permanent link" item in the page toolbox, and it also works for any older revision of a page too. When looking at a page of interest, right-click gives the browser-popup for coping it to the clipboard. DMacks (talk) 06:01, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cogsan:, If you have a welcome template you created, please consider adding it to the list at Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome templates#User-hosted. You may also want to look at the other welcome templates on that page. Mathglot (talk) 06:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Zentangle

Is a art form definition. 3.5"x3.5" post of shapes & patterns. shadowowlBold Big Darby (talk) 02:21, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@big darby: this is not the place to start your article. use the article wizard. lettherebedarklight晚安 02:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC) (edited 05:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC))

No, don't use the "article wizard". Here's how the most recent version started: Zentangle / What is Zentangle? / The Zentangle Method is an easy-to-learn, relaxing, and fun way to create beautiful images by drawing structured patterns. / Almost anyone can use it to create beautiful images. It increases focus and creativity, provides artistic satisfaction along with an increased sense of personal well being. The Zentangle Method is enjoyed all over this world across a wide range of skills, interests and ages. / We believe that life is an art form and that our Zentangle Method is an elegant metaphor for deliberate artistry in life. (My emphases.) Just stop, Big Darby. The history of attempts to create a dud article on this subject is already too long. If you want to advertise your Zentangle, find some other website for the purpose. -- Hoary (talk) 04:36, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I have indefinitely blocked Big Darby for being here only to promote and advertise Zentangle. Cullen328 (talk) 06:55, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Autoconfirmation approval

How can I get autoconfirmation approval to edit the Wikipedia pages that require it? Spacefan321 (talk) 07:47, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Spacefan321: Welcome to the Teahouse! You need to make at least 10 edits and your account must have existed for at least 4 days. For more information, check Wikipedia:User access levels § Autoconfirmed and confirmed users. —Matr1x-101 _{(Ping me when replying)} {_{user page} ^{(@ commons)} - _talk} 09:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

(ec)Spacefan321 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Autoconfirmed requires 10 edits or more and that your account be at least four days old, both of these occurred for you long ago. If you mean Extended-Confirmed, that is 30 days old and 500 edits(you are far short of 500) You are welcome to make edit requests on the talk pages of articles you cannot directly edit. Please don't make edits just to increase your edit count. 331dot (talk) 09:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

according to xtools you already are autoconfirmed, perhaps the page you want to is extended confirmed protected (500 edits and 30 days) or even fully protected (admin only) Sobsz (talk) 09:50, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Why does my article have to be blocked when it has no intention of promoting a person / service?

Article Draft: Channa Wijesekara - A biography on a award-winning well accomplished entrepreneur proficient in woodworking and so forth. Guide me as to why it was deleted and how can I improve. Vithushanr (talk) 07:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Vithushanr, it was deleted because, in Liz's opinion, it was "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". Here's a sample: With exceptional talent, an innovative approach, and an unwavering commitment to excellence, Wijesekara has made a lasting impact on the industry. His visionary perspective and meticulous attention to detail have elevated the standards of interior design in Sri Lanka. Wijesekara is widely recognized as a leading figure in the design community, renowned for his ability to create captivating spaces that harmoniously blend form and function, transforming ordinary environments into extraordinary experiences. Yes, I warmly agree with Liz. Had I seen it before Liz did, I'd have had no hesitation in deleting it. If you really had no intention of promoting the subject, I don't understand why you stuffed this draft with flattering flatus. -- Hoary (talk) 09:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Vithushanr No matter how much we admire someone, our own feelings must not come across in what we write here. We can only summarise what others have written. Further, we should only summarise independent writing. In the case of Wijesekara, he's an author, which makes life complicated, because when a book is released, publicists will have gone to a lot of trouble to arrange interviews and reviews in order to raise the book's profile - and these will all be glowing with praise. We have to filter what is written about him, and look only at material written independently, "uncontaminated" by the activities of publicists. You can only say that someone is innovative if an independent writer has described him that way. In general, it is impossible to be sure of someone's lasting impact, or know whether they were truly an innovator in their time, until we have the perspective of history, and until a reasonable number of experts, historians and critics have reviewed their life and work in context. As a result, you will find that Wikipedia tends only to describe someone as a leading innovator, leading figure in a movement, etc., long after their career is over. Wikipedia is a cautious place, sticking to facts. You can list his awards (provided they're not trivial or paid-for!), but you can't say he's exceptionally talented because you think so, or say that he's unwaveringly committed because he says so. Elemimele (talk) 09:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Image Licensing question

Greetings Teahouse Staff,

I just uploaded my first photo to Wikipedia, an image of the actress B.K. Cannon for her article, but I'm not sure which specific copyright status tag I should add to the "Licensing" section within https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:B.K._Cannon.png.

If a Teahouse member could tell me what to add in there (or assist me by adding it themselves, that'd be most appreciated!) SMT153 (talk) 17:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, SMT153, and welcome to the Teahouse. You say it was her own webcam recording. Are you Cannon? If you are, you probably own the copyright, and can license it, recording it as "own work". If you are not, you do not own the copyright, you do not have the legal power to license it, you should not have uploaded it to Commons, and it should be deleted from there ASAP.

Commons allows only material which may be freely reused, i.e. either it is in the public domain, or the copyright owner (nobody else) has explicitly licensed it under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, either publicly, or in a direct communication with the Wikimedia Foundation: see donating copyright materials.

It is possible that this image could be used non-free. To do that you would upload as non-free media to Wikipedia (not to commons), giving an appropriate non-free justification. It would be your responsibility to ensure that every one of the non-free content criteria was met. ColinFine (talk) 17:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Note that the non-free exemption almost never applies to photos of living people, as you would basically have to show that it is practically impossible to obtain a free alternative photo. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:06, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

You're right, Dodger - I forgot about that. Sorry, SMT ColinFine (talk) 18:36, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Colin, no worries! Thank you both for the info! SMT153 (talk) 18:49, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I have nominated the image for deletion from Commons. ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Participating in WP:ARB

I have something to say in the "/Preliminary statements" section of a certain ARBCOM case. I am neither an admin nor an involved party in the case, and not much of a veteran editor either. WP:AP curiously doesn't say who can participate. I'm asking here so that I'd be sure I'm not doing the equivalent of bursting into the Supreme Court, wearing a suimsuit and screaming at the top of my lungs. That would be embarrassing. 〜 Festucalex • talk 19:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Festucalex If there's a "/Preliminary statements" section, then the time for preliminary statements is over. To quote a "/Primary statements" page: Statements on this page are copies of the statements submitted in the original request to arbitrate this dispute, and serve as verbatim copies; therefore, they may not be edited or removed. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:05, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@LilianaUwU: Good thing I asked. Thanks. I'm putting my swimsuit aside for the moment. 〜 Festucalex • talk 21:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Linking to a page without redirecting

how do i link to Discord (software) without redirecting the user to Discord? i dont wanna use Discord (software) if i dont have to Sebbog13 (talk) 21:45, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Sebbog13: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1192. Is there a reason as to why you're trying to stay on a redirect page rather than its target? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

i guess there is not one, just wanted it for a userbox but yeah i could link to Discord just wanted to know if there was a way to not link there. Sebbog13 (talk) 21:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

There's the {{no redirect}} template that may be what you're looking for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Sebbog13: See {{No redirect}}. It produces external link syntax similar to your example but the external link icon is suppressed with Help:Plainlinks. It's not a wikilink so it doesn't show up in WhatLinksHere and other wikilink tools. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Found it difficult to nominate feature image. please format it appropriately

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/fungi here is my nomination cerated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/fungi made using this page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates . Kindly check if everything is okay. if the creation of new page is inappropreiate, please move the nomination to appropriate page or column RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 22:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know. It's a good image, although not really recognizable without the context of text, and not really appreciable for artistry or beauty without that context. It's also your own image, so there's a mild conflict of interest in play here. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Triangle with exclamation mark research tool missing...

Hello :-) Does anyone know why I can't access the research tool when improving articles? It doesn't appear on my toolbar.

Tool Bar Image

When I used the article wizard previously it was there. All guidance gratefully received, thanks. The Nookster (talk) 14:36, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@The Nookster I think you need to look at H:ETOOL and WP:RefToolbar/2.0 and then check your Special:Preferences to set everything up correctly as these pages instruct. Or maybe you meant some other research tool I'm not familiar with? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:38, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

What it is/was supposed to look like

Actually, looking at Help:VisualEditor and comparing the images there with what I get when I activate the visual editor (which I never use), I see that the icon that looks like a black triange with an exclamation mark inside it is indeed missing. Someone else may know why but I don't.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:58, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

OK! The plot thickens... The Nookster (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: The should only appear if the page has an edit notice. Strange that you're not seeing it at Raine Allen-Miller, because I see it on my end when I open it up in the visual editor. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok thanks Mike, I'll have a look. I'm sure I'll figure it out before my head explodes from having oodles of windows open on different sources LOL The Nookster (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@The Nookster: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1192. Do you remember what icon or button this "research tool" is under? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:45, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for trying to help. It was just on the visual editor toolbar when I used the article wizard. When I clicked on it, it took me through to a bunch of hyperlinks in a box such as Google, news, JSTOR, TWL etc so I could search for reliable sources all from one place rather than having loads of windows open. The Nookster (talk) 19:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@The Nookster: Upon further investigation, I suspect you'll only see it if a page is in draftspace. Look up any other draft (like Draft:Nahal Rafiah) and click on the . Is that what you mean? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:41, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes! Good stuff. Am I allowed to have access that tool? It’s so useful because I’m not a student or an academic nor have accounts with newspapers.com etc

I have been improving the Raine Allen-Miller article today to help redress the gender bias on WP. It has taken me ages compared to when I created my first article through the article wizard. I’ve not made much progress without that research tool :-( The Nookster (talk) 19:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

As long as the page is in draftspace you'll see it. As far as I can tell it only puts the article's title as a search string into those websites; it doesn't necessarily give you special access to those sites. What you want is to become eligible for the Wikipedia Library, which can give you access to databases like newspapers.com so long as your account meets certain criteria. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you very much for this information. You are really helping me get my head wrapped around being a new editor. Sorry to ask such basic questions!

Can I put an article into draftspace to work on it that has already been published into the articlespace?

I had read previously that after I have done 500 edits I will be able to search the TWL. I don’t think it will be too long before I have had the honour of contributing 500 edits :-)

I am thoroughly committed to helping WP as much as humanely possible. I owe this platform so much in terms of teaching me so much and supporting my writing life. I really want to give back as much as possible.

Once again, many thanks 🙏 The Nookster (talk) 20:35, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Unless there's something fundamentally wrong with the article such that it isn't suitable for mainspace, no, it shouldn't be moved into draftspace. Attempting to do so without a clear justified reason can, in the worst-case scenario, be seen as disruptive editing, which can include a suspension of editing privileges. Raine Allen-Miller also appears to have been in mainspace for over 90 days, and as a rule of thumb shouldn't be moved over to draftspace without prior consensus at AfD or another suitable venue (wikilink added). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:47, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok thanks for your guidance. I’ll just keep chipping away :-) The Nookster (talk) 23:12, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Undeletion?

In backtracking some IP edits for previous damages I found <this page> - it was created by a now blocked user by moving the previous page into their user page and then requesting speedy deletion of that user page under G7, which worked.

As far as I can tell the only thing the page had before was a redirect to a different page, which at the time redirected to BMW GT which is where the blocked user copied the content for the new page from - they also turned BMW GT into a redirect to the new page (which caused a bot to change the other redirects too).

Basically, what is the procedure here? Is it worth it to get the original page that was <in here>, and was likely just a redirect, to be reinstated, with a request at WP:REFUND? What is the proper order for doing this to not create an infinite redirect loop?

Thank you for your time. – 2804:F14:80B3:CB01:D427:B819:5DC8:2330 (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I may be talking out of my ass, but since the article creator was banned per WP:3X, I don't know if I would ask to recover the page. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 11:41, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

The creator according to <the logs> isn't blocked though.

Maybe I overcomplicated things a bit, I'm just wondering if reverting BMW GT to be the actual page and making the one created by the blocked user (via this take-over thing that they did that deleted the previous page) into a redirect (like it supposedly originally was) - and then waiting for the bots to fix whatever other redirects are out there - is the way to go about this. Or if I should instead request the original BMW Gran Turismo page be reinstated and moved back as well, because it might have had more edits than a redirect. – 2804:F14:80B3:CB01:D427:B819:5DC8:2330 (talk) 11:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, true. Might be worth a shot to ask for an undeletion. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 13:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@LilianaUwU: For what it's worth, I've tracked all the redirects etc and there's nothing of value to undelete. All the intermittent edits are copy/pastes from this revision. I've reverted the dab back to BMW GT as Google hits give much more for it than BMW Gran Turismo. Anarchyte (talk) 14:38, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Clarify: I've deleted the AudiGuy-1204 version of BMW Gran Turismo and restored the FreeRogue one from 2013. Anarchyte (talk) 14:46, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Anarchyte: Oh, thank you. I didn't have time to request this earlier, but that's exactly what I would have requested.

– 2804:F14:80B3:CB01:F4A3:CBC5:B217:C28E (talk) 03:31, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Do we have any guidance on how to handle docu-dramas based on real life people?

I'm struggling a bit with The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann. This article is about the Netflix documentary, and correctly makes this quite clear in the first sentence. But it contains an episode list written in the style of a typical plot-summary ("Later, an allegation rocks Gerry and Kate McCann."). I worry (1) that by passing the story through the digestive system of Netflix, we're allowing the article to bypass all our normal concerns about BLPs when basically it's telling a BLP story (albeit second-hand); and (2) because the article's title differs from our "proper" article on the disappearance (Disappearance of Madeleine McCann) merely by omission of "The", it's pretty much random which article a reader will find. We ought to be awfully careful about mixing up the balanced Wikipedian view of a recent, highly controversial event that impacted the lives of a lot of living people, and one media view of those events. Is there any guidance on situations like this? Is a typical interest-grabbing plot-summary appropriate? Elemimele (talk) 20:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know, Elemimele. In your place, I wouldn't ask here; I'd instead ask at WP:BLPN. -- Hoary (talk) 23:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary:, thanks, have done. Elemimele (talk) 05:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

San Antonio International Airport accidents and incidents referencing problem

Go to above article, go to accidents and incidents section at bottom of article, go to January 31, 1967 incident. I cant seem to make the retreival date appear (6/25/2023) for some reason at end of citation. Thanks for your help.Theairportman33531 (talk) 02:24, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

You had one hyphen too many: Not "access-date" but instead "accessdate". Yes, as the former is the standard for the hugely more widely used Template:Cite web (although "accessdate" is usable as a substitute), it does seem a bit odd that the hyphen isn't acceptable for Template:ASN accident. -- Hoary (talk) 02:35, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Seems odd to me too, so I've made the hyphenated version an acceptable alias. Tollens (talk) 06:18, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Megan L Hughes page

Good afternoon, firstly thank you for looking over my first draft submission. Although this frist draft was rejected, i would really appreciate some support into have to move on and edit to hopefully have my first article published. I must state first, i have a disability, so apoligise if this isnt the best quality. The rejection details below:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you. Michael L Little (talk) 11:36, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I've responded to your other posting, please only use one method of seeking assistance, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 11:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Megan Hughes (actress) was Declined (not Rejected) due to insufficient referencing. A question: you claim to have taken that photo of her. True or not? David notMD (talk) 11:45, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, My apologies, I did not take the photo, I found it on the public domain and downloaded it, My mistake i thought it was permissible and that that meant i took the photo from the public domain. Again apologies, no intension to cause any concern, this is my first time and learning. Thank you for pointing this out, how is best to resolve. Michael L Little (talk) 11:48, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I removed the image. David notMD (talk) 11:50, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

thank you Michael L Little (talk) 11:55, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

You seem to misunderstand what is meant by public domain, which is a legal term. That photo is not in the public domain. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. I didn't realise that I'd somehow re-added the image when making minor changes to the Title Case headings. I'd skipped back a revision to check out the removed image. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I think that Shantavira (above) is a little harsh. It's not so simple a misunderstanding. According to Wiktionary, one meaning of "public domain" is "The state of not or no longer being confidential or secret" (its example of this is "Very little information about the treaty is in the public domain"). However, here in Wikipedia -- and also in law -- this meaning doesn't apply. -- Hoary (talk) 12:47, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Haven't been able to find the image on Google, but it is on the subject's Instagram here. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:05, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Where it is copyright protected David notMD (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Michael L Little: Okay, so we now have three inline citations, and really need more (see the sections templated as unreferenced). Also, apart from the fact that the items listed in "Awards and recognition" are only nominations, and unreferenced, I can't see any mention of the subject, Megan Hughes. So they do not confer notability on her. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:18, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

User Accounts:

I forgot my account password and really need to change my user name and I’m not recieving the recovery email. 86.142.216.245 (talk) 10:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. I assume that you have tried the advice at WP:TFAQ. You'll have to let us know the name of the account for an admin to be able to tell you if it has an associated email address. My only other suggestion is to see if one of your devices has the username/password combination stored in its browser credentials. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:08, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Repeated unsourced changes

Two IP editors have been changing people's year of birth and death repeatedly on Template:Lee Kuan Yew family tree. I have asked them to provide sources because these changes are not explained nor justified by any sources. In fact, existing sources contradict their edits. I have also commented on the talk page and asked for responses, but I got none. I'm at the 3RR limit, so I'm wondering what I should do if the other party simply continues editing without giving any response. Is dispute resolution appropriate? Or perhaps this counts as vandalism and I should go straight to the administrator's noticeboard. Thanks! PetraMagna (talk) 12:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@PetraMagna: Hello, I suggest you assume good faith and take it to the dispute resolution noticeboard. Also, I suggest you leave a comment and notify the IP editors about this discussion on the IP editors' talk pages (courtesy link for the first editor and the second editor), since pings don't usually notify IP editors. —Matr1x-101 _{(Ping me when replying)} {_{user page} ^{(@ commons)} - _talk} 13:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@Matr1x-101: All done. Dispute resolution is filed on Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Template:Lee_Kuan_Yew_family_tree. Hopefully I didn't miss anything. PetraMagna (talk) 14:13, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I am about to close the case at Dispute Resolution Noticeboard, and I will explain here. First, it is always better to request dispute resolution than to edit-war, even if the dispute is not ripe for the particular method of dispute resolution. However, second, DRN requires extensive prior discussion at the article talk page, or, in this case, template talk page. There has not been discussion, because, as User:PetraMagna says, the unregistered editor has not responded on the talk page, but is simply repeating his edits. Third, that is almost certainly one human behind the two IP addresses. The trailing parts of IP addresses often shift because Internet Service Providers manage and reassign pools of addresses. It does not matter whether it is one human or two, but it is almost certainly one human. Fourth, DRN is not a place to go in a dispute with an editor who does not discuss. Fifth, if one or more unregistered editors persist in editing and do not discuss, it may be a good idea to request semi-protection at Requests for Page Protection. I will be making that request for you in a few minutes. DRN is for content disputes when discussion has been lengthy and inconclusive. In this case, semi-protection seems to be in order. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

The template has been semi-protected for three days. You may edit the template for three days without interference by the IP. After it comes off protection, if the disruption recurs, you may request a longer semi-protection. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:00, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I will try to find more sources in case some of the dates on that page are in fact incorrect. PetraMagna (talk) 13:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

INSERER UN WIKIPEDIA IN ENGLISH

Good morning, The WIKIPEDIA ALEXANDRE RAYMOND (1872-1941) exists in French. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Raymond I had it translated by a professional English translator. I want to insert this English wikipedia. How to do ? Where can I insert this translation? Should I create a new account? karagil

Bonjour, Le WIKIPEDIA ALEXANDRE RAYMOND (1872-1941) existe en français. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Raymond Je l'ai fait traduire par une anglaise traductrice professionnelle. Je veux insérer ce wikipedia anglais. Comment faire ? Où puis-je insérer cette traduction ? Dois-je créer un nouveau compte ? karagil Karagil (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

You do not need to create a new account. You should use Articles for Creation to submit your translation- as each Wikipedia has its own policies, what is acceptable on the French Wikipedia is not necessarily acceptable here. 331dot (talk) 15:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Karagil The correct link to the French article is fr:Alexandre Raymond. The main problem in making it acceptable for English Wikipedia is likely to be the sources. As far as I can tell, most of the French ones are to a collection of his own writings. We need several to scholarly accounts such as the Batur book and other reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:21, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Karagil, and welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to the points made by Mike Turnbull, please note that if you insert text copied or translated from (any) Wikipedia, you must attribute the source: see WP:Translation.

Also, if you "had it translated by a professional translator", it seems very likely that you are associated with Raymond. Is this the case? It does not prevent you from working on an article about him, but you need to be aware of the restrictions on editing with a conflict of interest. ColinFine (talk) 17:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine Unlikely, given that Raymond's dates are 1872-1941.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:02, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I guessed that Karagil was a child or grandchild, Mike. They have only to tell us if they aren't connected. ColinFine (talk) 14:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Standalone list notability

So I've started a draft called List of Canadian battles during the Second World War (to compliment this one) but before I get too invested in it, I'd like a second opinion about whether it qualifies for an article. I believe this meets the criteria in WP:LISTN, but there's only one articles similar to these two, so I'm not too sure. Thanks for your help. ARandomName123 (talk) 23:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:List of Canadian battles during the Second World War. GoingBatty (talk) 03:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@ARandomName123: Welcome to the Teahouse! WP:NLIST gives some good guidance. I believe someone would need to see your list of independent reliable sources before giving their opinion. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:40, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:NLIST says that the list is considered notable if the topic or set is considered notable. In this case, the topic would be Canadian battles during WW2. Does this mean any source covering a group of Canadian battles during WW2 would work? If so, would literally all history books and resources about Canada in WW2 work?

Ex. See: Notable Canadian Battles | The Canadian Encyclopedia, Great Canadian Battles: Heroism and Courage Through the Years - Edward Humphreys - Google Books, The Canadians at war, 1939/45 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive. There's many more in the references section of Canada in World War II. ARandomName123 (talk) 19:15, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Imho, definitely notable. Keep working on it; would be a good addition to the encyclopedia. Mathglot (talk) 08:31, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your input. ARandomName123 (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding a redirect when the article has a hatnote

Hi, I am looking at John Maurer and considering a redirect to Social Distortion per WP:BANDMEMBER. Maurer does not appear to be individually notable, nor does his work outside Social Distortion.

However, the Maurer article has a hatnote to John J. Maurer. If I redirect it, this would be lost. WP:RASTONISH says If the redirected term could have other meanings, a hatnote (examples) should be placed at the top of the target article. But I think it would be confusing to people who had come directly to Social Distortion to see "For the American politician in Wisconsin, see John J. Maurer".

Would welcome advice - thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 21:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

You can use {{Redirect}} for this - writing {{Redirect|John Maurer|the American politician in Wisconsin|John J. Maurer}} produces:

"John Maurer" redirects here. For the American politician in Wisconsin, see John J. Maurer.

Tollens (talk) 21:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

If John J. Maurer is individually notable and John Maurer of Social Distortion is not, then maybe John Maurer should redirect to John J. Maurer, and then that page can have a hatnote pointing to Social Distortion. As a wild other solution, find another "John Maurer" who merits an article. Then, with 3 people of that name (including two with actual articles), John Maurer can easily stand as a disambiguation page. I took a quick look, and [6] talks about an award-winning flugelhorn player of that name. I suspect that is a field where Wikipedia's coverage is not very strong. DMacks (talk) 02:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

And so we now have John Maurer (jazz musician), with own notability. Per WP:TWOOTHER, and none of these seeming a clear claim for to earn a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT even if only two of these are notable, I'm going to make John Maurer a disambiguation page. The former page at that name is now John Maurer (Social Distortion), so no hatnote for any John Maurer are needed anywhere. This is not prejudicial against converting the SD musician's article into a redirect to the SD band page. DMacks (talk) 17:58, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Quotes

I want to post my own Quotes here. Is it possible or just leave? Davidson Prabu (talk) 18:10, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Good day, Davidson Prabu!

On your user page, as long as it doesn't get excessive, then I think it would be ok. WP:USERPAGE has more details.

On articles, I would not except for some very specific circumstances, see WP:CITESELF. ✶Mitch199811✶ 18:18, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Emojis in citation titles

Hi, if there's an emoji in a source's headline, should it be left out of a citation title (unless essential to understanding the headline) or included? Thanks in advance, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I would have expected any source that put an emoji in a headline to be non-Reliable, but perhaps I'm an old fuddy-duddy. Can you link to an example of an unimpeachably-reliable source doing so? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.177.243 (talk) 15:12, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Heat (magazine): "Wait, what? Love Island's Leanne Amaning and Mike Boateng Reunite 😱". Heat. 2021. Retrieved 2023-06-23., from Draft:Mike Boateng. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:18, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Esowteric: Looking at WP:CITESTYLE, it implies that deferring to style guides like the MLA is acceptable, and the MLA provides something pretty close to what you are describing: "Emojis do not need to be included in the titles of tweets. If the emoji is important to the meaning of the tweet, you should describe the emoji in your prose. If the tweet’s text is composed solely of the emoji itself, its title in the works-cited list should be a generic description of the emoji." WP:REFNAME (for footnotes and repeated citations) says that the short names of those references should generally only contain ASCII characters, which would disallow emojis there (although from your example it would be unnecessary anyway). rtrb (talk) 15:21, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, that's useful to know. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:26, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I've opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Emojis in citation titles to see if more direct guidance can be provided at Wikipedia. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Updating a Commons File

Hopefully this is still the right place to ask about updating a commons file. I saw that https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Airport_Diagram_of_KHLR_(HLR)_%E2%80%93_Hood_Army_Airfield.PDF is now many years out of date and a new version exists here https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/2306/05031AD.PDF. However, as the airfield has now been renamed, an update would require replacing the file, source, and changing the name and description. I'm wondering if it is appropriate to change a file this much, or if I should instead upload the update as a new file. - Odin (talk) 19:08, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @OverlordOdin, welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to ask about Commons is on Commons - they have a help desk here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Great, thank you! - Odin (talk) 19:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

A renouned mycologist used my Wikimedia Commons contribution in his book. Please guide me entering that data into my Wikimedia Commons file.

My public domain contribution https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vesicular_Arbuscular_Mycorrhizae_40X0031_03.jpg has been used by renouned mycologist Britt Bunyard in his book The Lives of Fungi : A Natural History of Our Planet's Decomposers (https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/The_Lives_of_Fungi/SMtMEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=RIT+RAJARSHI&pg=PA288&printsec=frontcover) ; Published from Princeton University Press, where my username has been properly credited in the page 288 (Acknowledgement page) and my Wikimedia commons contribution has been included in page number 183 bottom right of the said book. I am very thankful for that to the Author of the said book. However I want to enter the data in the image file (preferably using a category or infobox but don't know how). Please guide me for the necessary steps to link the file to the published book.

Image that has been used in the published book by the Author Britt A. Bunyard

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 20:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC) RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 20:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@RIT RAJARSHI: Exactly what data do you want to enter into the Commons page? 〜 Festucalex • talk 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I want an infobox that this file has been used in the book (book name) by Author (Author name)

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 20:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

many thanks in advance RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 20:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

You can also do it in Reference or Bibliography style

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@RIT RAJARSHI: I do not recall seeing any such thing done in Wikimedia Commons. Can you please provide an example of an image that is tagged in this way? 〜 Festucalex • talk 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tracking_external_file_usage yes there are something like that. Could it be done manually in case the bot can't ? RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 20:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@RIT RAJARSHI: That's for tracking file usage on Wikimedia projects, not external books and such. I agree with ColinFine that you should ask at c:Commons:Help desk. 〜 Festucalex • talk 20:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 20:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, RIT RAJARSHI. I cannot find anything in c:Commons:First steps/Quality and description which talks about including such information in a Commons image description page; on the other hand, I can't see anything which forbids it. It may be that Commons editors would say that it is not consistent with the purposes of Commons, but I don't know.

I suggest you ask at c:Commons:Help desk. ColinFine (talk) 20:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tracking_external_file_usage There are somethhing called tracking external file usage. If the Usage Bot fails to track it; could it be added manually?

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 20:51, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I see at the Commons talkpage that you found "The image has been used in a book". That seems about right for this. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång It is my own work that has been adopted and properly credited in the book. I have added an infobox in that talk page. Rajarshi. 2409:4088:9DC4:30B0:0:0:B088:5710 (talk) 20:20, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Published This existing template resolved it.

2409:4088:9DC4:30B0:0:0:B088:5710 (talk) 20:26, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Rajarshi Rit 2409:4088:9DC4:30B0:0:0:B088:5710 (talk) 20:26, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Football Jersey

How do I create football kits to add on football team pages to show how the teams kit looks like that will be used that season. Greg (talk) 20:19, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Soccerking.greg127. Football kit is defined in the lower part of the following template: Template:Infobox football club.

I would definitely experiment with this in a sandbox before attempting to change a live article page, as it looks hellish complicated to get right. You'd probably want to be using WP:Source Editor to work on it, and it often helps to look at the source code of an existing, and closely related, page to see how the source code operates there. I hope this helps a bit, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:34, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hyphenate words like "African-American" or no? African American?

Do we add the hyphen with words like "African-American" or not? Iljhgtn (talk) 20:19, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Iljhgtn, and welcome to the Teahouse! The manual of style states: Avoid using hyphens to connect racial or ethnic descriptors, regardless of whether or not they are used attributively (Aboriginal Australians, Asian American studies, Black British people) - in the specific case you provide, there should be no hyphen. In other cases a hyphen may be appropriate, see MOS:HYPHEN for the full guideline. Tollens (talk) 20:25, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: That depends on how you're using it in a sentence. Usually it's hyphenated but what's the context? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:26, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

On this page January 31. There were some mentions of "African American" that were hyphenated., also what if someone is "1909 – Miron Grindea, Romanian-English journalist (d. 1995)" like that? Should Romanian and English be hyphenated or not? Iljhgtn (talk) 20:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Both African American and Romanian English should not be hyphenated - see the manual of style linked above. Tollens (talk) 20:36, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

ok i will change those then to be unhyphenated when i see them. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Rejected Page

Hello, I've previously developed several Wikipedia pages that have been successfully accepted. My most recent page, dedicated to Mike Boateng, who I believe to be the most prominent subject among all my created pages, was unfortunately rejected. I find this perplexing because he is extremely well-known in the UK, verified on Instagram, boasts a follower count of over 300,000, and has been extensively covered by highly reputable UK publications. Given this evidence of his notability, I'm unsure why the feedback I received doesn't align. What additional steps can I take to ensure this page is approved? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mike_Boateng Justtheeditor1 (talk) 10:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Justtheeditor1: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. @Turnagra:, the person who declined the page, is in a better position to explain the reason behind their decline, I've pinged them here for that reason. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 10:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Justtheeditor1 The problem is likely to be summed up by your heart.co.uk cite which includes the heading "How does Mike describe himself?". Wikipedia articles need to be based on third-party sources which meet these criteria. Typically reality-TV stars and "celebs" are self-promoting: they only become notable here when discussed by sources that have not been fed information. Technically, your draft was not rejected but only declined, which means it could be improved to meet the notability test. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I have thoroughly considered your comments and have undertaken revisions to address the concerns raised. In an effort to improve the reliability and demonstrate the notability of the subject, Mike Boateng, I have supplemented the page with additional citations from credible sources. I kindly request the page is reconsidered for approval. Justtheeditor1 (talk) 11:51, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I am reaching out again to seek your response concerning the inquiry that was previously made. I have patiently waited for over four months, only to receive a notification of the page was declined due to the inclusion of a single article. This article could have been effortlessly removed, which I have now done. Moreover, I have enriched the content with the addition of new credible articles. Considering these modifications, could you kindly approve the page now? Justtheeditor1 (talk) 16:18, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Justtheeditor1: Your article is put in the backlog (not a queue) for reviewers to review. Kindly be patient, as usually it's a lot easier to decline articles than to approve them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Kia ora @Justtheeditor1 - I can definitely appreciate how frustrating that would have been, and I'm sorry to have done it. Mike is right about that source, but I was also a bit unsure about many of the other sources being from tabloids with questionable reliability. I also noted that nearly every source you've got uses the words "Love Island's Mike Boateng", which makes me question whether Boateng is notable in his own right or whether he's only getting these articles by virtue of Love Island being notable. It would be useful to have some other sources with slightly better reliability that help to demonstrate that Boateng is notable in his own right, not just through being a contestant on a notable TV show. Turnagra (talk) 18:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I understand your concerns and I'd like to clarify a few points on the notion of notability.

Firstly, it's important to acknowledge that notability isn't only achieved through individual accomplishments or personal talents. In fact, many individuals gain their notability through their affiliation with significant events, businesses, or shows. In this instance, Mike Boateng's participation in Love Island has undoubtedly played a significant role in his public visibility. Yet, it's not simply his participation that has brought him to public attention, it is his personality, character, and actions within that framework that have made him noteworthy.

On that note, the common reference to him as "Love Island's Mike Boateng" in various articles does not negate his individual notability, but rather places him within the context where his notability was first realized. It serves as an identifier, a testament to his participation in an event that is both highly publicized and significant within popular culture.

Secondly, as for the quality of the sources, it's true that not all media outlets carry the same weight in terms of reliability. However, we must consider the audience and the sphere in which Mike operates. Popular media and tabloid press are integral to the entertainment and reality TV industry, therefore their coverage of Mike is both relevant and influential.

Lastly, there seems to be confusion between Mike Boateng and another individual by the same name, causing diluted search results on Google. A Wikipedia page for Mike would significantly aid in rectifying this mix-up, offering a clearer, concise source of information for those interested in learning more about his achievements and contributions.

I hope this clarifies the situation and gives a new perspective on Mike Boateng's notability. His involvement in Love Island has certainly catapulted him into public awareness, but it's his individual persona and subsequent actions that maintain his presence there. He is indeed notable in his own right, and I believe he is deserving of recognition via a Wikipedia page. Justtheeditor1 (talk) 19:02, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Justtheeditor1: Wikipedia's criteria for "notability" may different from how we use the word in casual conversation. If you haven't done so already, please read the criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (people). GoingBatty (talk) 20:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Nothing in the draft suggests he meets Wikipedia criteria for notability: not the football, not being a policeman, not being on two reality shows for one season each and not being nominated (not winning) two minor reality industry awards. The Lead mentions actor but there is no confirmation of that. Instagram popularity does not contribute to notability. David notMD (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, unless you were editing under a different name, there is no evidence in your contributions history that you have succeeded in creating articles in the past. The one other effort, Draft:Remoteli has been declined. David notMD (talk) 20:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Justtheeditor1, your detailed response, "Thank you for your thoughtful response ..." above suggests that you're a veteran. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 20:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. Under different usernames, I work on developing Wikipedia pages for UK reality TV stars and their related ventures. However, I've noticed a curious pattern within the Wikipedia community. When I put together pages for white celebrities who may be considered less noteworthy, my submissions typically get approved without any issues. But when I submit pages for celebrities of color, they often get rejected by someone within the Wikipedia community.

This has led me to suspect that there may be a degree of unconscious bias at play during the review process. I can cite two instances where I developed pages for white celebrities from the same year as Mike Boateng who, arguably, have fewer achievements, yet I faced no challenges in getting their pages or their business pages approved.

As a white woman raising biracial children, I make a point of dedicating time to building these pages. I believe it's vital that people who may be overlooked as 'notable' due to their association with reality TV are indeed recognized. Moreover, it's crucial to me that individuals from minority backgrounds receive the same level of acknowledgement as those from my own demographic background. Justtheeditor1 (talk) 07:25, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, to provide more context, my comment about "different usernames" doesn't mean I control these accounts. Instead, I assist in creating content within a community of fellow celebrity enthusiasts who then create the pages. This approach ensures that we don't violate the rules against sockpuppetry. Justtheeditor1 (talk) 18:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Based on the Wikipedia notability criteria and the details provided, it seems that Mike Boateng does meet the notability requirements:

- Career in football: Mike Boateng's career as a footballer with Sheffield United Academy and Emley A.F.C. shows his initial steps into the public sphere. His association with significant teams and players like Dominic Calvert-Lewin does contribute to his notability.

- Career as a police officer: Boateng's stint as a police officer at Greater Manchester Police might not be notable on its own, but it adds to his personal story and can help provide a comprehensive view of his life before fame.

- Reality TV appearances: Boateng gained significant public attention when he appeared in the sixth series of the popular reality dating show, Love Island. He further expanded his reality TV career with an appearance on Celebrity Ex on the Beach. These reality TV shows are widely recognized and have substantial viewership, making them a critical part of Boateng's notability. His brother's participation in another popular reality show, The Apprentice, could also contribute to the family's overall public profile.

- Awards and Nominations: Being nominated twice for the National Reality TV Award in significant categories ("Best Male Personality of the Year" and "Reality Personality of the Year") also supports his notability. These nominations reflect recognition by the industry and his peers.

- Popularity: Boateng's popularity, while secondary to the above criteria, still contributes to his overall notability. He is a known figure within the public sphere, primarily due to his reality TV appearances.

While each of these points alone might not warrant a standalone Wikipedia article, collectively they create a picture of a person who has made significant, interesting, and unusual contributions to public life, specifically in reality television, which fulfills the Wikipedia notability criteria. Each of these points is verifiable through reliable and independent sources to maintain the credibility and integrity of the Wikipedia article. Justtheeditor1 (talk) 07:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

None of that established notability. David notMD (talk) 14:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Considering the Wikipedia notability guidelines, I'd like to provide the following rationale to underscore Mike Boateng's notability.

1. *Significant Coverage*: Mike Boateng, a well-known Black TV personality in the UK, has received substantial coverage in reliable and independent sources.

2. *Public Influence*: He's been a major participant in widely viewed reality TV shows like Love Island and Celebrity Ex on the Beach. His presence and performances in these shows have undeniably influenced public perception and discourse.

3. *Recognition*: Mike has been nominated twice for the National Reality TV Award, in major categories such as "Best Male Personality of the Year" and "Reality Personality of the Year". This formal recognition within the industry strengthens his claim to notability.

4. *Comparison*: When compared to other personalities who have been deemed notable, such as Jon Clark and Josh Ritchie, Mike's prominence and contributions seem at least as significant, if not more so.

While it's crucial to approach each case independently, I feel it's also important to mention that the consistent pattern of lesser-known personalities being deemed notable may points to my previous point of a potential bias, conscious or unconscious, in assessing the notability of people of colour in the UK. It's vital to ensure equitable treatment in all cases to maintain the integrity and credibility of Wikipedia.

I hope these points provide a solid basis for reconsideration of Mike Boateng's notability according to Wikipedia's guidelines. Justtheeditor1 (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

NEED FOR SOCKPUPPET INVESTIGATION: From above, "Under different usernames, I work on developing Wikipedia pages for UK reality TV stars and their related ventures." — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 14:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Also above "I can cite two instances where I developed pages for white celebrities from the same year as Mike Boateng..." Other User names under consideration: User:Russellanderson and User:SamuelTheGuardian. One example of an article with multiple editors is Draft:Remoteli David notMD (talk) 21:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I find pages that need editing

I want to add a page to the unusual articles page, but I don't have enough edits and I don't know how to find pages that need editing Elisecars727 (talk) 23:25, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

hi @Elisecars727 and welcome to the Teahouse! firstly, you may suggest a new unusual article over at Wikipedia talk:Unusual articles. if you want to find other pages to edit, you may use the article suggestions over at your Editor Homepage (also accessible through your userpage) or simple tasks in the Task center. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 23:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Why use 'ref name=":0" ' for a named reference?

When editing in source mode, I see a lot of named references using the same cryptic names for named reference. I assumed there must be some reason/benefit, so I tried to search but I only found a couple pages that explicitly say not to use name=":0" without explaining why. So why do people consistently use this same set of cryptic names instead of something from the source itself like:

<ref name=Elk1972>Elk, Anne (November 16, 1972), Anne Elk's Theory on Brontosauruses</ref>

I realize this kind of an abstract question, but I don't want to make the names descriptive if there's some actual reason that they were made cryptic, Rjjiii (talk) 09:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

There is some tool (Visual Editor??) that defaults to this numbering scheme. Your version is much better. —Kusma (talk) 09:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:REFILL does it like that when it merges refs. A more descriptive refname is much more helpful for editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@Rjjiii In my view, it's a major, major weakness with Visual Editor that it doesn't permit one to give a 'raf name' to any citation, but simply numbers them sequentially. For that reason, even when creating content in Visual Editor, I always switch over to Source Editor for adding references. It has a much better interface, but then I can switch back again for more WYSIWYG editing. Just click the dark, slanted pencil icon in either editor to alternate between the two whilst editing. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T92432

It is indeed a very major weakness in Visual Editor. You can read more about it at WP:VisualEditor/Named references. There is also a wonderful tool that will fix up these annoying numeric ref names after the fact; see User:Nardog/RefRenamer. Mathglot (talk) 06:25, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mathglot Wow - Nardog's ref renamer tool looks brilliant! What a shame VE still requires this workaround to reference naming, though. Thanks for the link to it. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:30, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks Kusma, Gråbergs Gråa Sång, Nick Moyes, and Mathglot! I just tested both out; Visual Editor created :X and REFILL created autoX which are two of the formats that I have noticed. I've used both before, but I guess never to create named references. In the future, I'll just upgrade these to descriptive names without fretting about breaking something. And thanks Nardog, for the hard work; if it's possible to automate comprehensible names, I wonder why Wikipedia hasn't adopted something like this. Take care, Rjjiii (talk) 04:17, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Having trouble adding a photo to info box

I uploaded a photo, copied the link, created the info box, paste the link, but nothing appears. Kristianmday (talk) 05:16, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Kristianmday, could you either give us a link to the page that's not working or try to post the photo here? Regards, Rjjiii (talk) 05:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Kristianmday: is this where you attempted to add the photo: [7]? A full url like that won't work. Check out Help:Pictures for an explanation of different ways to add a photo. Also, that image will likely be deleted at the commons for copyright violation. Fair use images have to be uploaded directly to the English Wikipedia with a fair use rationale (See Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria). Rjjiii (talk) 05:35, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Accidental copyvio

I accidentally copied content from Wikipedia to another wiki without attribution. I quickly realized it, added attrubution, and RevDel'd the original edit (I'm an admin there). Is that all I need to do? 206.204.236.108 (talk) 20:13, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Should be, yes! As long as attribution is provided, that's all that is required under CC BY-SA 4.0, which all text on Wikipedia is licensed under. The other wiki might have other additional policies, but what you've described is fine from a copyright perspective. Tollens (talk) 20:19, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! 206.204.236.108 (talk) 22:22, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I'm not sure you even needed to Revdel it: on Wikipedia, it's generally reckoned that realising after the event and adding an attribution is adequate. But what you've done should certainly be fine. ColinFine (talk) 09:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism Warning

There were three IP addresses who vandalised the page Office. I have since reverted them. Do I need to warn the IP address(es)? And if yes, which on do I warn, how do I warn them, and which warning level should I use? Mox Eden (talk) 09:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

What vandalism, Mox Eden? I see stunningly incompetent attempts by this person in Indonesia to spam, but no vandalism. What am I missing? -- Hoary (talk) 09:40, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I've semi-protected the article for three days; I hope that the would-be spammer will lose interest in Wikipedia during this time. I wouldn't bother with warnings for this kind of behavior: I've no reason to think that the perp would be interested in any warning, and my time is valuable. -- Hoary (talk) 09:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Two articles need major revision but both are apparently locked. How may I get the necessary permission to edit these articles?

Australian Cattle Dog

Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog NoreenClark (talk) 06:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@NoreenClark: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1192. You should be able to edit either of those pages as you are autoconfirmed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

You have been asked on the talk pages of the articles Australian Cattle Dog and Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog and your Talk page to cease editing these articles because of your attempts to change content using your self-published books as references. Same for information you describe as coming from unpublished interviews you conducted. Same applies to Robert Kaleski and Halls Heeler, per the conflict resolution about your COI. Your only recourse is to propose changes on the article Talk pages and ask for an independent reviewer to decide. David notMD (talk) 10:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

How to move out of the sandbox??

Hi there, I have drafted an article in the sandbox, however I can't submit it as the title is stuck on my user name 'User:Heatdeflect/sandbox'. Apparently the title was meant to pre-fill. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Heatdeflect (talk) 08:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Heatdeflect/sandbox Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Heatdeflect There is a "submit" button at the foot of the draft which will allow it to be reviewed. Before doing that, please remove all direct external links in the main body text: see WP:EL for the reasons why. You have used citations for providing information on your sources, which is the correct way to do that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

links

when there is an entity with location in the name, should I link both for example los Angeles (link) police department (lapd link) or just one los Angeles police department (lapd link)? Michael21107 (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Michael21107 - just link the one, overall, description. We try to avoid two links next to each other, as WP:SEAOFBLUE and Los Angeles Police Department is the specific article you are trying to link to - Arjayay (talk) 12:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

ok thank you Michael H 16:03, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

HI Arjayay, firstly i apologies for interrupting here but i have a query with this context, while doing it can we say WP:SEAOFBLUE as an edit summary or should explain it? If yes then what should we say ? (talk) 05:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Love2read&write - If you are just adding a link, I would just describe it as "adding Wikilink". If you are changing two adjacent links to one, I would describe it as changing Wikilinks as per WP:SEAOFBLUE - if the reader does not understand, they can click on the WP:SEAOFBLUE and read the guideline.
Some editors interpret WP:SEAOFBLUE very strictly, i.e. the links must actually abut (excepting punctuation as is clearly allowed in the guidance), others are more interested in the general principal of reducing unnecessary links. There are 18 discussions about WP:SEAOFBLUE in the archives of Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking as seen here. Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Mistakes with DYK nomination

Hello! I have made mistakes with the formulation of a nomination of a page I created for DYK. I can't figure out how to edit the nomination. Can I just put in a fresh, better constructed nomination for the page I created or will that gum up the works somehow? I have only put in one DYK nomination before and am very inexpert at it. Thanks for any help and my apologies for a too vaguely worded question about this which I posted earlier on the WiR project page.Balance person (talk) 11:09, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Balance person Answered at the help Desk. Please don't post in two help locations as it just duplicates effort. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:18, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Can I - as an employee of a 10-yrs old startup, create a wikipedia page for the company?

As the title suggests, I am an existing employee of a start-up company. It's been around for slightly over a decade. We are looking into creating a wikipedia page for the company.

If there's not really much media mentions (i.e. newspapers, magazines, etc), can we still proceed ahead? So really there's two parts to the question.

Thank you very much! WangXian97 (talk) 05:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. You are allowed to create an article about the company that you work for, however please read WP:COI. The most important thing that you have to do disclose your conflict of interest. You can do this by following the instructions at WP:DCOI. However, your article must meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, in this case WP:GNG and WP:CORP. If there is not enough coverage in the media to pass the guidelines, then it will not be accepted. Even if there is enough coverage, having an article on Wikipedia isn't always a good thing. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 06:23, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@WangXian97: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1192. As an employee of said company, you will need to disclose your paid relationship with your company on your user page at User:WangXian97. Please understand that Wikipedia does not exist to promote companies, that you are strongly discouraged from creating one yourself due to your conflict of interest, and that you should use the Articles for Creation process if you decide to do so anyway. Also understand that if an article about the company is approved, neither you nor your coworkers will have any control over what content goes on there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Bear in mind that (assuming that your company meets the criteria for notability, and you have made the required declarations) you will need to forget everything you know about the company and write an article based only on what those independent sources say - even if you disagree with what they say. ColinFine (talk) 11:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Also you ask: If there's not really much media mentions (i.e. newspapers, magazines, etc), can we still proceed ahead?

Two points within that:

• Crucial to any article are references in independent, reliable sources to establish "notability", as Wikipedia defines that term. See WP:NOTABILITY. If they don't exist, then the article is very unlikely to be acceptable. Don't start the process with proposed text; start with finding those sources. See WP:BACKWARD.
• "We": your account must be personal; only you should use it; other associated people should have their own individual accounts. And "we" might suggest an insider/PR/promotional frame of mind. Instead, it might be helpful to consider yourself a detached outsider, e.g. as a journalist, or (for example) as a potential client looking not only for good things but also for weaknesses.

Feline Hymnic (talk) 12:00, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

How can I upload an updated photo on Wikipedia?

How can I upload an updated photo on Wikipedia? Emilyrwood (talk) 14:32, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Emilyrwood, welcome to the Teahouse. Since the only article you've edited here is Jeff Duncan (politician), I assume you're referring to a photo for that subject. Any photo uploaded to Wikipedia (or Wikimedia Commons, where most photos are hosted) would need to be appropriately licensed, or it would be a copyright violation. The easiest way to get a freely licensed photo is to take one yourself - you would then be the copyright holder and could license the photo appropriately. The alternative is to find a freely licensed photo elsewhere, download it there, then upload it at Commons with a link to the site where the free license can be found. Here is a link to the Upload Wizard on Commons: Commons:Commons:Upload Wizard.

Again, please do not upload any image to which you do not own the copyright, unless it has explicitly been released - in writing - under a free license. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:40, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

basic articles to copy

are there good examples of basic articles to use as templates when writing a new article from scratch? i may try that at some point. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Good examples of basic articles in which subject area, Iljhgtn? Incidentally, in your most recent edit, you remove a chunk ("Much of Manville is in a low-lying flood plain...") that has been marked as needing a citation for under a year, is unlikely to be promotional or otherwise objectionable, and (if verifiable) is clearly of importance; but you add a lot of material that strikes me as very minor and that surely will soon become obsolete. -- Hoary (talk) 01:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

add material? i didnt add anything, only corrected for minor things on that one Iljhgtn (talk) 01:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

subject could be anything, biographies seem popular Iljhgtn (talk) 01:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, Iljhgtn, I now realize that you cut some unneeded line breaks and it was these that gave me the wrong impression that you'd added dreary lists of functionaries. So, biographies. Here's the biographical article I most recently created. It's far from a stub and far from a Featured Article. I think it's pretty good, of its kind, but I could well be biased. Incidentally, I'd never heard of GSG until I read about Ethel Jacobson (a similarly-sized article I created), and I'd never heard of EJ until I read about Morris Bishop (a more substantial article I did most of the work for). Reading for articles about people brings up more names unknown to Wikipedia: most of these are of people who aren't notable, but not all. And even for those who are notable, I don't think the bio-articles of most are at all popular unless their subjects appear on US or British TV or in Entertainment Weekly or People or similar. -- Hoary (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

that helps, thanks Iljhgtn (talk) 15:32, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

You might try looking through WP:Featured articles, which contains a list of articles deemed to be some of the best on Wikipedia. Often, each subject area has a fairly typical structure that you could base an article on. Tollens (talk) 01:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

i will start small, are there featured stub articles? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

No - featured articles are always fairly sizable. When creating a stub, it is important to keep the notability and verifiability policies in mind - if a stub does not demonstrate notability or has very little verifiable content, it is likely to be deleted. Stub articles typically are not separated into sections and only explain what the subject is and why it is significant - there isn't really a template that could be used. Tollens (talk) 03:40, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

None of these are stubs because by definition a stub lacks important details and Featured Articles are reviewed for comprehensiveness. Still, here are the shortest Featured Articles on several relatively simple topics:

• Miss Meyers, 680 words of prose
• How Brown Saw the Baseball Game, 693 words of prose
• Nico Ditch, 778 words of prose
• Hurricane Irene (2005), 793 words of prose

Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 04:24, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

helpful exampples thanks Iljhgtn (talk) 15:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Loading speed

Previously, my editor wouldn't load as it was stuck about two-thirds of the way. How can I prevent this issue from happening again? Thanks, Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 15:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tarantula. For questions about how the software works, rather than about the business of editing, you're more likely to get a useful answer at WP:VPT than here. ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Moving a page

After making edits to Hood Army Airfield related to this location have a new name, it feels like moving the page may be appropriate. I am wondering if the best practice is to always open a discussion for a move, or if there are some pages where it is ok to move forward without that. If opening a discussion is best in this case, what art the steps to take for that? - Odin (talk) 16:14, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi User:OverlordOdin. It's never a problem to open a discussion if you're uncertain (or even if you are fairly certain). The processes for doing it yourself and for starting a discussion are at Wikipedia:Requested moves. In this specific case, I think it could go without discussion, since it's the same topic that itself has simply changed names but otherwise continued to be as it was. DMacks (talk) 16:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

whats the story with Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources

i learned of the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources today, but i dont get how something gets on there or off of it? who decides what is a "reliable source" and what isnt reliable? once listed as unreliable, is that source "depracated" for ever? Iljhgtn (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Generally speaking, entries there are the result of a consensus discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard. And no, it doesn't have to be forever—if a formerly deprecated source has cleaned up its act and started getting it right, and they've now shown a solid track record of that, it's likely that a new discussion would have consensus to reverse the deprecation. (The reverse is true as well, of course—if a previously reliable source starts printing garbage, their classification can certainly be revised downward.) Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 00:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

how is the consensus defined? that would have major ramifications for a source i bet Iljhgtn (talk) 01:11, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

another question. is the consensus ruling from that page binding? do all editors across wikipedia then need to abide by that ruling and never use that soruce? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:12, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

it seems like it does not reflect actual policy of wikipedia, if that is correct Iljhgtn (talk) 01:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

For information on consensus and the process for it in general, have a look at WP:CONSENSUS. As to whether it's binding, a deprecated source should indeed generally not be used, but there may be rare exceptions to that (such as if the deprecated source were being directly quoted in the article about the source itself, then we would need a reference to it in order to properly attribute the quote). Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:36, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

cool beans, i will read more on that Iljhgtn (talk) 01:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Consensus in Wikipedia is normally determined by a Request for Comments. I have sometimes thought that a secondary meaning of the acronym RFC is Request for Consensus. At any given time, there is usually at least one RFC in progress at the Reliable Source Noticeboard about the reliability of a source. That is how consensus is determined, and Consensus can change, because the reliability of a source can change. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:48, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Request for Expedited Review of Revised Wikipedia Page - due to some serious issues

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I have recently crafted a new Wikipedia page about myself. Unfortunately, it was initially rejected due to perceived bias and a lack of external references.

I have meticulously revised the content to ensure neutrality and added a wealth of external citations to meet Wikipedia's standards. I'm keen to know how I can resubmit my revised page for further evaluation.

The urgency behind this request is significant. Currently, an online search of my name yields the profile of an individual involved in serious criminal activities; alarmingly, my photos are associated with this profile. This unfortunate mix-up has begun to adversely impact my reputation and professional opportunities, with speaking engagements being rescinded due to the misunderstanding.

I would appreciate it if you could expedite the acceptance of my updated Wikipedia page and share any additional advice that might help resolve this pressing issue.

Thank you for your understanding and assistance.

Kind Regards,

Dr. Sabeel Ahmed Sabeeldawah (talk) 16:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Sabeel Ahmed - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:23, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Also Draft:Dr. Sabeel Ahmed - Wikipedia profile. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:32, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

What web searches do is not a concern of ours, you need to take that up with them. If you submitted the draft again it would be quickly rejected as it means almost none of the requirements to be included on Wikipedia. I have tagged it for deletion as it was just a fluff piece obviously written by the subject or a team member. I would suggest you work on other things. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 16:26, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Sabeeldawah, welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, your draft - which is not currently submitted for review - has many issues which make it currently unsuitable for publishing to mainspace. There are no inline citation, only a list of references at the end, and none of those references seem to establish that you are notable as Wikipedia defines it. There are also many formatting errors, though those are easier to fix. The sources are the primary concern here. Also, you should review WP:COI, and perhaps WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. You may want to lodge a complaint with Google (I assume that's the search you referred to). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Recreating it at Draft:Dr. Sabeel Ahmed - Wikipedia profile was not a terribly good idea, @Sabeeldawah. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Sabeeldawah (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no way to request an expedited review- this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, and many thousands of people would love to have an expedited review of their work.

In this case, however, your draft was clear promotion. I feel bad for your situation, but this is not a concern of Wikipedia. If you do not meet our criteria for an article, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources, there cannot be one about you. It's also not a good idea for you(or anyone associated with you) to write about you, see the autobiography policy. You will have to contact Google or other search engines if you are being confused with an unsavory person. This is not a problem unique to you, with eight billion humans on this planet. 331dot (talk) 16:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

In the course of blocking for being only here to self promote, I found Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sabeeldawah/Archive. FYI if any of the sleepers return. Star Mississippi 16:49, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Urban Legends and Unreliable Sourcing

Hi all! I've been thinking about editing the article on The Island of the Dolls but I'm having trouble finding reliable sources to describe an important facet of why the island is noteworthy in the first place: urban legend. The accounts available online are contradictory and often from one off clickbait sPoOkY articles, and I'm not sure how to address or include this information properly! Should I describe each variation/offshoot I find and use a qualifier like, "some contradictory accounts report that..." or something? Should I include only the aspects that are shared amongst a majority of the retellings (this strikes me as an example of independent research but I could be wrong)? Or should I abandon any attempt at describing the stories altogether? Thanks so much for your help *<:^) Goodlucklemonpig (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Goodlucklemonpig, welcome to the Teahouse. Have you managed to find any reliable sources which address these urban legends? It's often a tricky thing to do. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:07, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Truly no ¯\_ツ)_/¯ The most reliable online source I've found is the NY Post, which is... not reliable haha! The rest are from sources not even listed on Wikipedia. @Esowteric made the suggestion of looking for books, and I've found a few (seemingly obscure) titles that aren't self published, although unfortunately I can't really afford a wiki article book buying spree at the moment! Thanks to both of you for your help! Not sure where to go from here, so any further advice would be much appreciated! Goodlucklemonpig (talk) 18:24, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Have you checked out Project Gutenberg and the Internet Archive's library? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah SUCH a great call! Found a few books on Internet Archive, which I assume is a good place to start! Thanks so much!! Goodlucklemonpig (talk) 18:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

One thing I often do is search for a phrase on Google, then switch to the Books tab; show a result, type in another phrase from that book, and use that for a standard Google search. If I don't get a result, I manually type some of the content into a text file; if I do find a long quote elsewhere, I copy and paste that into a text document. And a lot of the time, I just go and buy the book. :) eBooks are handy, because they allow you to copy a fair amount of content. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Editing to add: That's also a great idea! I started off with Google books, but the previews were teensy tiny, so not much I could include. Anyways, after a quick skim of the available literature on IA (mostly mentions in "Scariest Places" collections, Atlas Obscura etc.), the legends are still pretty varied in their retellings. So, back to the original comment, is there a recommended approach for how to address contradictory information? Goodlucklemonpig (talk) 18:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Goodlucklemonpig, generally the rule is that if two equally reliable sources give contradictory reports, include both versions; if some sources are markedly more reliable than others, stick to the more reliable ones. But in this specific case, keep in mind that a Wikipedia article shouldn't go into too much depth about the specifics of such legends; you should focus on why they're important and their effects, not the details of the legends themselves. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Goodlucklemonpig. Have you searched for (non-self-published) books on these subjects? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:10, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

This has all been extremely helpful, and I think I have a clear(ish) idea of where to go from here! Another quick q before I go: the article itself needs a significant rewrite, and I'm wondering if there's a way to create a sandbox draft for review? Or is that only for previewing new articles? It'll be my first major contribution, so I want to make sure it's up to snuff! Goodlucklemonpig (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Goodlucklemonpig, you could create a sandbox draft to work on things (review Copying within Wikipedia first), but AFC is only for new articles, not updates to existing articles. I'd recommend not doing a huge rewrite in one go, though. Better to make changes at the live article in several chunks, so that if someone wants to revert or discuss, you both can focus on that particular chunk instead of wiping everything out. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:12, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Notability question

Hello editors! Longtime reader, finally starting to get my feet wet editing articles. I noticed the Minnesota Timberwolves' lead assistant coach Micah Nori doesn't have his own page. There's several secondary sources that cover him in detail: here, here and here, for starters. Before I start the process of putting it together, should I be worried from a notability standpoint? Any help is appreciated! Tingggg (talk) 19:12, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tingggg Hmm. From what I can tell, those sources are pretty local in nature, so they might be an obstacle to notability. In any case, I recommend that you start a draft at Draft:Micah Nori to get an idea of what the article could look like. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 19:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@LilianaUwU Thank you for responding! That makes sense. Tingggg (talk) 20:01, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Help

Hello editors i have drafted am article before 5 days now today suugest me to talk with some editors and tell them help with the article fixing etc is there anyone who can help me . Angiemcc2023 (talk) 20:16, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Angiemcc2023, and welcome to the Teahouse. I presume this is Draft:Sheikh Asif? You submitted it for review ten days ago. What I notice immediately is that you have 23 citations, to support nine (count them) pieces of information about him. This makes it look as if you are desperately trying to pack it with citations, to make a reviewer think that he meets the criteria for notability. But that is likely to achieve the opposite effect.

If one of the citations for a piece of information is solid (that is, if it meets the golden rule for sources), then that is all that is needed. And if none of them do, then I'm afraid that a hundred poor sources do not add up to one single good source.

I've only looked at three of your sources - the first three that are in English. But it is immediately obvious that they are not independent, but mostly retelling his own words. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

I suggest you look critically at each of your sources, and remove any that do not meet the golden rule. If that leaves you no sources, then you will know that he probably does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and not to spend any more time on this draft. If there are some, write an article from those high-quality sources. And at the very least the article should tell us (from those sources, not from what he says or what you know) why we should take note of him. ColinFine (talk) 20:40, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

The final source, which like the others is not independent but based on what Asif has said, has him referring to "the largest food chain in London called Zabka". Really? Maybe the largest Polish food chain in London. Maproom (talk) 21:18, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Where can I find a book of tree varieties

Varieties of trees Charles Grantville (talk) 21:40, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Charles Grantville, welcome to the Teahouse. There are many sources listed in the reference section for Tree. You can check there, or perhaps the folks at WP:RD/S could recommend something with a good overview of the subject, if you post your question there. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

redirected page

i just made my first redirect i think of Argentinians to ARgentines. Argentines. is that acceptable to do? did i do it correctly? thanks Iljhgtn (talk) 01:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Iljhgtn, Argentianians is syntatically correct and is acceptable as a plausible typo of Argentinians. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Not Understanding

I have a modest amount of edits on my talk page & for the most part I am not understanding why reverts are written & why cautions are being made about not being a forum, not being social media & off-topic material being deleted. Independent reading is just making me more confused. I'm not even sure if there is any way for me to get help with this. So, you tell me, what should my next step be?Shallotpeel (talk) 20:31, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Shallotpeel.

I imagine it's where you have written on Talk:Days of Our Lives and Talk:General Hospital your personal opinions about the TV shows, and ended them with "If you should wish to discuss this you can find me at the FB group SOAPS: THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY or alert me to it & we could talk here.". .

An article Talk page is not a place to talk socially about the article subject: instead it is a place to discuss improvements and changes to the article. Have a read of Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines for more information.

It is worth noting that Wikipedia is not a social network or a forum. There are plenty of places on the Internet to discuss with fans of Days of Our Lives and General Hospital, unfortunately Wikipedia is not one of them!

Does that answer your question? Qcne (talk) 20:41, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. I'm not sure that it does answer my question, no. I don't think I am writing personal opinion. I think I am imparting subjective factual information. I can see not using that end line about future discussion & in fact did use it only once & then stopped using it. In light of that the repetition about there being places to discuss, etc. is just redundant, especially since I run one of those places & participate in others. I'm not interested in the editorial process here for discussion. Shallotpeel (talk) 21:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Shallotpeel. You say "I'm not interested in the editorial process here for discussion": As mentioned the Talk pages of an article are to discuss the editorial aspects of an article, so if you have no interest in the editorial process then Wikipedia may not be the right place for you I'm afraid. My apologies if I am not understanding what you mean by that comment.

If you do have sourced facts for the articles, feel free to Wikipedia:Be bold and add them to the article yourself.

Best, Qcne (talk) 08:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I wasn't clear. I'm trying to say that I'm attempting to be part of this editorial process to make changes, to impart information rather than talk about some topic for the sake of chatting. I'm very interested in the editorial process for correcting wrong information or adding new information. As for being bold & adding myself, I feel so inexperienced & unsure of myself, I guess. Thank you. Shallotpeel (talk) 11:01, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah, no worries, sorry for misunderstanding :) I think it's normal for people to feel unsure about editing Wikipedia for the first time but that's why Wikipedia:Be bold is a policy in itself. As long as your additions are sourced and in a neutral tone, you should be fine! Qcne (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm retired & have a great many health issues, one of which is Parkinson's which is why I live in a Personal Care Home. Anyway, my time is my own but I am over-committed to voluntary online activities & I never catch up. Because of this I have decided to forego learning this editorial process. Should I do anything to close this out? Shallotpeel (talk) 04:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Shallotpeel At the Talk page of Days of Our Lives you wrote article-type content about Pat Falken Smith. It was deleted more than once. I agree that it was wrong place. Given that there is an article about Pat, referenced content about her can be added there. While the DOOL article does not list her as a writer, there is a link to Days of Our Lives producers and writers which does. David notMD (talk) 20:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Similarly, on the Talk page of General Hospital you added lots of content (deleted) about facts and your thoughts about what is and is not in the article. Again, wrong place. If you have referenced correct information it belongs in the article. An exception to making article edits directly is if you have a conflict of interest or paid connection to the topic of the articles, in which case you are instructed to declare your COI or PAID on your User page and request changes to the article on the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 20:53, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

DAYS/Pat Falken Smith: My concern was that some writers are included in the main article but she is not. I don't see how it could have been deleted twice when I only submitted it once. Why is the main article the wrong place? And how could I know that? She is included as one of the most important writers in most texts.

GH/Spin-off or sister soap/The Young Marrieds: I am aware of no other text that makes this claim. If it had been such it definitely would have been in the gold standard text, Schemering, and it is not. By timeline it doesn't even make sense that it could be. So, as correct information it should be included but was instead deleted?Shallotpeel (talk) 21:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Shallotpeel WRONG PLACE!!! You were creating new content on the Talk pages of the articles. The place for new content (appropriately referenced) is the article. David notMD (talk) 04:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you. Shallotpeel (talk) 11:03, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Business

How do I structure my article and make it more business related, neutral and not an essay type. Saleen99 (talk) 11:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Saleen99/sandbox Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:48, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi@Saleen99

Your article as it stands would be more appropriate for a blog post or LinkedIn post - not an encyclopaedic article on Wikipedia. Wikipedia articles only summarise what existing independent and reliable sources say about a topic. Your article currently cites no sources.

It might be worth reading Wikipedia:Your first article which gives you the dos and don'ts of creating an article, and Wikipedia:Five pillars which detail the fundamental principles of Wikipedia.

I would suggest looking at our existing article Business-to-business. If you would like to make additions to that article you are free to, but every fact and statement you add needs to be backed up by independent and reliable sources. This is so anyone can verify that the statements in your article are accurate.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 12:05, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Saleen99!

In addition to what has been said above, I'd like to point out that creating new articles is one of the most difficult things to do on Wikipedia. It requires working knowledge of almost all content-related policies & guidelines. It can be very frustrating to start with something that most likely will not be successful, and new users are discouraged from creating new articles for that reason.

Instead, I'd recommend that you start with easier tasks and familiarise yourself with editing (and all its conventions) organically. Check out The Wikipedia Adventure for an interactive introduction to editing. One of the best tasks for newcomers is copyediting; find articles on a topic you're familiar with (or just go to a random article), and look for places where you can fix grammar, spelling, or add useful links to other Wikipedia pages. Also, feel free to ask any further questions here or on my talk page. Happy editing :) Actualcpscm (talk) 12:18, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank for the useful information, I'll work on the articles and editing. :) Saleen99 (talk) 06:38, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I would further point out that Wikipedia already has an article on the business-to-business market. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Changing a wrong title (without Greek letters) to a correct one (with one or more Greek letters)

I asked a similar question before, probably in 2020, in my early days of Wikipedia editing. However, I can't find the discussion now, so I repeat it now with more detail.

There are a huge number (certainly hundreds, maybe thousands) of articles about enzymes that have major errors in the titles. For example, the article on Glucan endo-1,3-β-D-glucosidase is headed Glucan endo-1,3-b-D-glucosidase. There are others where locants that should be in italics are not, for example, the article about endo-α-N-acetylgalactosaminidase is headed Glycopeptide alpha-N-acetylgalactosaminidase. There are others where the title starts with a lower-case letter (not counting prefixes), for example the article on α,α-Phosphotrehalase is entitled Alpha,alpha-phosphotrehalase. (Notice that Alpha (A) and alpha (α) refer to two different Greek letters, of which only one is correct.)

In principle I should be able to use Move to correct these, but for the ones I have tried the system rejects them. For example, if I go to

Alpha,alpha-phosphotrehalase

and enter

α,α-Phosphotrehalase

as the new name, with Misspelled as the reason, pressing Move page gives

You do not have permission to Move, for the following reason:

The page "Alpha,alpha-phosphotrehalase" cannot be moved to "Α,α-Phosphotrehalase" because the title "Α,α-Phosphotrehalase" matches an entry (?!(User

Notice that I didn't write "Α,α-Phosphotrehalase"; the system just changed it. I don't have any idea what (?!(User means. Also it's not true: there is no article called Α,α-Phosphotrehalase.

I can just about accept that writing D for D and N for N are just a typographical niceties that can perhaps be ignored. But writing α as alpha is much worse, and writing it as a is utterly intolerable, because they change the meaning from correct to incorrect.

I wondered if it was just that one can't have Greek letters in titles, but it's not that, for example the article on α-aminobutyric acid is called α-Aminobutyric acid, as it should be.

When this came up before (in 2020?) it was fixed by someone higher up in the Wikipedia hierarchy than I am, but for hundreds or thousands of articles with wrong titles it would be impossibly cumbersome to use that solution for all of them. Athel cb (talk) 12:36, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I think there are two issues at play here: (1) Wikipedia article names must start with a capital letter, for software reasons, so α gets turned into Α. {{lowercase title}} can be used to make the article show a lowercase title, see IPhone. (2) The other issue is that you seem to have run into an edit filter designed to curb some abuse (we do not allow most users to change article titles to mixed-script titles). You can ask for assistance at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests, citing the naming convention WP:CHEMPREFIX to support your request. My apologies that you have run into such difficulties helping Wikipedia. —Kusma (talk) 12:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. I visited Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests as you suggested, but I don't think I adequately explained what I was trying to do, and why. Unfortunately the entire discussion there has completely disappeared, leaving no trace. I don't know where it has gone.

I think I understand now how to include Greek letters, italics and small caps in new pages, but I'm not trying to create new pages, just to use IUBMB-approved names for ones that already exist. Athel cb (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Move the articles you can as directed, keeping a list of the ones you can't. Then come to WP:RM/TR and we can clean up the rest. RM/TR is not the place for moves that can be performed by regular confirmed users. To move a page, use the "Move" tool at the top of the page under the Page menu. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

And the answer to the italics question is the same as the lower case one Athel cb: article titles can't have italics, but can be displayed with them, using the template {{italic title}}. --ColinFine (talk) 14:36, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

That's useful to know (together with { {lowercase title} }). Is there a template to allow Greek letters?

I was especially interested in "article titles can't have italics, but can be displayed with them," as it implies that what the user sees is not necessarily what the computer sees. It would be an enormous help to be able to change the title the user sees without changing any links or anything else. Athel cb (talk) 16:57, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

As was already mentioned, {{lowercase title}} will do the trick. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:19, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, you're asking whether you can change an article title like "Alpha,alpha-phosphotrehalase" to "α,α-Phosphotrehalase" without a page move using templates? The answer to that is no, that change requires a page move. To minimize confusion, the display title of an article (what the user sees) must resolve to the same article as the actual title (what the computer sees). WP:DISPLAYTITLE has more info if you're interested. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 05:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Athel cb: {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} is the only way to change the displayed title in MediaWiki so it can by definition make all changes which are possible. You can preview a page with {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} to test whether the wanted change is possible. Templates like {{lowercase title}} and {{italic title}} work by calling DISPLAYTITLE but all such templates can only make limited changes and they cannot be combined. Many chemical names will require DISPLAYTITLE. It accepts some markup like <small>D</small> and ''N''. The initial letter can be changed from uppercase to lowercase but not other letters. It cannot change between Greek and Latin letters but Greek letters can be in the real page name. DISPLAYTITLE only affects the page heading. The real page name without DISPLAYTITLE modifications is shown in other places like searches and categories. An initial α unfortunately becomes uppercase Greek Α which looks like a Latin A. It's a different character but almost nobody will see that. Don't use ugly hacks like starting a page name with a non-displayed character so α becomes the second character. It causes too much confusion, e.g. when users try to link the page, and it's not good enough to make redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:19, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Notability check

Would a Wikipedia page on an NGO, its objectives, principles, structures, outreach, funding etc. be notable? It focuses on agricultural rural development in Sub-Saharan Africa. The NGO has been funded by FAO, European Commission, USAID and is in close partnership with Heineken so it is a substantial organisation. 2A02:A03F:646F:B700:A0C3:D165:6D41:4436 (talk) 09:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

See WP:NORG. Is it written about in The Times, The Telegraph, CNN etc? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. The items you have listed seem like those one would see on the NGO's own website. What Wikipedia needs is what other commentators have been saying about them that meets these key criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:22, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

who invented the shark cage

THE SHARK CAGE WAS INVENTED BY JAMES M ELLIS OF PORT LINCOLN SOUTH AUSTRALIA PATENT NUMBER 4166462. Margesson (talk) 09:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. We are here to answer questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question? 09:48, 25 June 2023 (UTC) JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 09:48, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE CLEARLY DISTINGUISH BETWEEN SURFACE CAGE SHARK DIVING ( STATIC CAGE ATTACHED TO BOAT ) AND SELF PROPELLED SHARK PROOF DIVING CAGE. Margesson (talk) 10:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Margesson and welcome to the Teahouse. You should make suggestions and raise your concerns at the article talk page. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

When you make your suggestion, Margesson, it's likely to be taken more seriously if not EXPRESSED IN CAPITALS. (And of course it must come with a reliable source.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:02, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Hoary.

Thanks for your advice. Can you tell me if there is a company that can assist me in person to edit Wikipedia. I live in Adelaide South Australia.  Regards Margesson Margesson (talk) 10:51, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Hoary.

How do i attach to Wikipedia the patent papers for my shark proof diving cage.

Regards margesson Margesson (talk) 11:07, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

If you are James M. Ellis, you can see at Shark_cage_diving#Self_propelled_version that they're already there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:27, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Hoary.

You ask for information from a reliable source.

Australian National Maritime Museum- Signals Winter 2019 number 127

heading--Covering Your Tail.(inventing the self-propelled cage)

The book named AB YARNS History and folklore of the South Australian Western Zone Abalone Fishery, compiled by the abalone industry of south australia heading-The Evolution of the shark Cage. Credit James Ellis.

My cage is used by most of the divers in the abalone industry in south Australia and western Australia

would you like newspaper articles?

Can I attach videos and photos?

Regards margesson Margesson (talk) 11:24, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Margesson We don't need any of that. The citation is . All that is missing is the page number(s). Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mike.

Page 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 in AB YARNS and page 58 59 60 61 in the Signals magazine.

Another interesting article is in The California Abalone Industry ( a pictorial history ) page 177

How can i attach videos and photos?

Regards margesson Margesson (talk) 11:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Margesson Media such as video and photos are uploaded/stored on our sister project, Wikimedia Commons and then the filenames can be incorporated into articles. The issue is copyright. You may only upload material which you took with your own camera or which is known to be licensed (in writing) with an appropriate Creative Commons license. For the moment, I suggest you ignore that aspect and just make suggestions for improving the article via its Talk Page, using the sources we have discussed here. You are considered to have a conflict of interest because of your invention and so should not edit the article directly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Colorizred text

I‘ve just seen this article and its colorized track listing, it‘s on Pigments (album). I know Wikipedia has a Manual of Style but is there some sort of guideline against colorizing text like this? I saw it and thought it may be an issue to colorblind readers, and that there may be a guideline that says not to do it. Can this be removed? I don't know how to remove codes. Thank you. 2A00:20:B004:FC51:1A9:78D:167A:B7F (talk) 12:50, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing the mistake, I removed the colors from the tracks. The guideline is at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#Color. All I did was remove the enclosing {{color}} template. Apmh 13:16, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding a sentence

I want to add, "According to an Islamic scholar, if a Muslim man makes sexual advances on one of his wives, she has to oblige him anytime, anywhere." to the Rape_in_Islamic_law#Marital rape section of the Rape_in_Islamic_law article. Will it be acceptable?-1Firang (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC) 1Firang (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi again, I'm wondering whether the Jerusalem Post is a reliable source on such matters. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:26, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @1Firang. The place to discuss such an addition would be the talk page, Talk:Rape in Islamic law. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:34, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Just my two cents, but that seems like a very serious claim to be attributing to a single cleric. Googleguy007 (talk) 13:32, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Given that there are presumably many Islamic scholars in the world, highlighting the view of any one in particular needs justification (e.g. widespread coverage in secondary sources), otherwise you'll risk falling foul of WP:UNDUE. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:42, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Article on google search

Good morning,

I am having some trouble with the publication of my article. Is there anything I have to do to get my article on the google search.

I have some issues with the verification even though I have all my citations. Hoping to hear from you all soon.

Thanking you, QMEC

QESMUNB (talk) 14:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, QESMUNB and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean Draft:Quartermain Earth Science Centre? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:16, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I just moved it to draft space to protect it from being deleted. I also left a comment. The draft fails WP:CORP and the references fails WP:Golden Rule requirements.

Also, this is not Google, this is Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not control when an article appears on Google's search results. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@QESMUNB, your username and the way you sign your post indicates that you have some sort of connection to this organization. Please review WP:COI and/or WP:PAID. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

My Article is rejecting

i have wrote an article about anim8r - CSS animation studio project.this project is mine.i'm publishing this project at june 22,2023.can you guys help me to edit and finish this article.because i'm new to here.

Draft:Anim8r Rizmyabdulla (talk) 14:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Rizmyabdulla, welcome to the Teahouse. Your article cites no reliable, independent, secondary sources which could prove that this software is notable - not surprising if it's only just been released. Until someone else publishes coverage of your software, there is nothing to build an article on. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:28, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok,thanks Rizmyabdulla (talk) 14:31, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft Page In Review - Corrected All Suggested Revisions

I have created a page to present the nobility and accomplished accolades of an individual.

The page is in draft and submitted for review. It has been sitting in idle for several months and everyone that made notes after it was submitted have disappeared. I have revised and made corrections according to the suggested input.

All statements are sourced with appropriate citations. I have added appropriate tags and WikiProjects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gray_Leadbetter

It seems that this should be a slam dunk. I dont understand what is taking so long. Any help is appreciated. Manderson619 Manderson619 (talk) 05:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@manderson619: there are 4000 drafts pending for review. that's why it's taking so long. lettherebedarklight晚安 05:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Manderson619, you might reasonably object that one major reason why there are 4000 drafts waiting is that it's taking so long. Another reason why there are so many drafts? Because the number of people reviewing these is so very much fewer than the number producing them. There'd be little need for drafts if only article creators (i) already had non-trivial and successful experience in improving existing articles, and (ii) were free of the seemingly widespread delusion that Wikipedia is a free-of-charge PR outlet. That matter aside, I put a few minutes into (very lightly) editing your draft. As for the task of reviewing it, I'll leave that to somebody who knows more about motor sports than I do. -- Hoary (talk) 07:34, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Manderson619, some parts of this seem obscure to me. Example: "At the time, her family was not familiar with the intricacies of racing, so she was able to follow her neighbors to support her." This would make sense: "Her family was not then familiar with the intricacies of racing, but she got neighbors to support her." However, I'm unsure whether it's what was meant. -- Hoary (talk) 11:20, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Manderson619, and welcome to the Teahouse. I notice that you begin above with I have created a page to present the nobility and accomplished accolades of an individual. Please note that while that may be a laudable aim, it has no part writing a Wikipedia article. Articles should be written from a neutral point of view: they must not praise (or criticise) a subject in Wikipedia's voice in any way.

You can certainly list the accolades, provided you can cite independent sources for them. But no Wikipedia article should ever describe its subject as "noble", or any other value judgment. If a reliable source, wholly independent of the subject, describes her as wonderful, or noble, then you may directly quote and attribute the source ("John Doe said in the Observer that ...") and add a citation. Equally, if an independent reliable source attacked your subject, you should probably say so, even if you strongly disagree with them.

I mention this because achieving a neutral point of view can be difficult about a subject you think highly of. ColinFine (talk) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Page translation

If I see a good page in non-English Wikipedia, can I just translate it to English? Or it would be copyright violation? Thanks. Soorch (talk) 09:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. It's not a violation as long as you provide attribution. See WP:HOWTRANS for guidance. Note that each language version of Wikipedia is separate, with their own editors and policies, and as such what is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. The English Wikipedia tends to be stricter than others. 331dot (talk) 09:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Which language would you translate it from, Soorch, and how's your ability in that language? -- Hoary (talk) 10:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary I occasionally come across pages in Spanish and other languages that are not on the English Wiki, but I have now realized that the issue here is not so with the copyright, but with their quality in terms of verifiability. It may be easier to re-write an article from scratch, but using good Spanish sources from it, I think. Soorch (talk) 14:30, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

That's exactly right, Soorch. Happy editing! ColinFine (talk) 16:20, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

UK image copyright question

I'm thinking of scanning an image from an English concert program from 1972 in order to include it in an article. It would fall under public domain use here in the US according to the Hirtle chart, but I'm unsure whether it is protected by copyright in the UK. Any help or advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:42, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24 The UK rules are on Commons at c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_Kingdom. It will depend a bit on whether the image in the programme had a specified author. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:48, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

No Notifications

I haven't been receiving any web notifications, even though in my preferences I have them turned on. Is there something I am missing, such as some opt-out thing somewhere else I might have accidentally turned on? I'm specifically looking for the web notifications at the top right, which shows the last one from two months ago... Captchacatcher (talk) 15:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Captchacatcher The set-up is at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo so you should check there: and you should have been notified by my entry here. There are also different notices from Captchacatcher mentions, which this should also trigger. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Yes, I received a notification, thank you. I believe I was not subscribed to another talk page before, and I found where to see my watchlist. Captchacatcher (talk) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:BaagadBillaa Declined

Hi,

I found the draft called BaagadBillaa which is declined two time. The first when it was declined, it is written that 'It is not necessary to add citation in every word' and and time 'Need multiple reviews by reputable critics. Also, The Times of India is considered a weak source because they are known to take payments for promotional articles.'

So I wonder that Almost for all Gujarati Films The Times of India is Reliable Source and all are published however for this article why it's decline and stated that the source take payments for promotional articles? In that case what is actual reliable source? How it should differ under same same category i.e. Gujarati Films? If you can let me know I can try to improve it however as per my knowledge it's meeting Notability Criteria.

Thank You! DevilTheOptimizer (talk) 17:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, DevilTheOptimizer. Please read The Times of India#Paid news and Paid news in India. Cullen328 (talk) 18:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Cullen328 Thanks for your prompt reply. I have gone through this article. However, I still have a questions regarding the reliability of sources for Gujarati films on Wikipedia. As far as I know, The Times of India is widely considered a reputable source for news and information, and they have published articles about numerous Gujarati films. It seems inconsistent that The Times of India is generally considered reliable for other Gujarati film articles, but not for the specific "BaagadBillaa". If such case all article which are live and having Times of India link might promotional? If so why it's considerable? How can we differentiate it? DevilTheOptimizer (talk) 18:23, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

DevilTheOptimizer, I recommend that references to The Times of India be removed from all film and entertainment articles, and replaced with references to more reliable publications that do not run paid news. We have 6,675,834 articles and many of then have various problems. You can read the assessment of The Times of India at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Cullen328 (talk) 18:33, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @DevilTheOptimizer.

It's worth remembering that Wikipedia:Other Stuff Exists. Just because other articles use The Times of India as a source doesn't mean that that is a good thing! In fact, if you would like to Wikipedia:Be bold and find alternative sources to replace The Times of India on other articles, that would be much appreciated.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 19:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Can I earn money from here?

This once where I though that. If I dedicate my life here editting, keep contributing, focusing on what could I contribute. Can I earn enough money from this? in return. To pay my rent, my internet connection, meals etc. I just thought what if this could be a valid job for my future. Morrowind 14 (talk) 12:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

No, you cannot earn money from this. 119.245.86.251 (talk) 12:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Morrowind 14: All Wikipedia editors are WP:VOLUNTEERS; there are no Wikipedia employees who are paid for their efforts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:46, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Morrowind 14 Wikipedia does not pay contributors. If you choose to offer Wikipedia editing services for clients, you must comply with the paid editing policy and declare it. It is permitted, but most will look upon you skeptically. 331dot (talk) 13:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Just to add that if you ever want to earn money from editing, anywhere, you will be expected to pay a lot more attention to spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:22, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

In any case, regarding dedication: potential clients would probably be looking for someone with a proven track record. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:23, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

In other words, Wikipedia is not a job. Cwater1 (talk) 21:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Taz: Quest for Burger

Quick question: Is there any way to improve the draft for Taz: Quest for Burger in order to resubmit it as an article for creation? LegalizeAnythingMuppets (talk) 21:53, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I could be reading this wrong - totally possible - but are you asking to move it to an article for creation, rather than fixing the draft where it is?

There's clear guidance on that page of what needs to be done.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:59, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

If it's a concern that it might take awhile to get feedback while in Draft mode, I'd be happy to review the article after changes are made. If you could ping me or post a note on my talk page, that would work.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Brazilian spelling (also south and central America)

Does Brazil use USA spelling or UK spelling for the sake of English Wikipedia? I know they use portuguese as their language..

actually this question now extends to all of south and central america. Should the spelling for EN WP be USA or UK of various things? Iljhgtn (talk) 22:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

It looks like per MOS:TIES there's not a specific variant prefered for articles about Brazil. Any variant could be used, so long as its usage is consistent within the article (and if a variant is currently in use, it should be retained). Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 22:22, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

what about guatemala, mexico, panama, honduras, chile, argentina, belize, guyana, etc etc Iljhgtn (talk) 22:23, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Same answer (MOS:TIES). For countries where there's a specific variety of English in common use, articles about that country or topics directly related to that country use the dialect. In other articles, including articles about countries that do not specific varieties of English in common use, any variety can be used, so long as it is used consistently within the article. In existing articles with an established English variety, it should generally not be changed.

If there's debate as to whether a specific variety should be used on an article, the article's talk page is the typical place to discuss and gain consensus. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 22:33, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Legal threat?

I received this message on my talk page a bit ago, and after a moment of confusion realized it referred to this edit from a couple of months ago. I stand by the edit - I don't think the inclusion of the samples meets the contextual significance requirement for music in an article - but I'm more concerned with whether the comment could be considered a legal threat that needs to be reported. This is a first for me, so any advice is appreciated, thanks! DrOrinScrivello (talk) 21:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I am not an assigned Teahouse person, but I have run into this kind of thing before. It sounds like this is a content ownership and conflict of interest or close contributor person issue.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:15, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

That article needs a lot of work, there are hardly an citations and is clearly created for promotional purposes. I just applied a BLP tag to the article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

It has the adverstiment tag. Cwater1 (talk) 21:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

The article for Rvssian does. Cwater1 (talk) 21:31, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I also added Talk:Nikki Hornsby#BLP tag. I don't mean to "pile on", but the key issue, I think is that article shouldn't be around in it's current state, and perhaps not at all.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Just to be clear, the initial talk page comment about the unsourced addition to Rvssian is not the issue - that was a mistake that I rectified. The message in question is the one from the IP who mistakenly replied to that comment rather than start a new section (which they subsequently did). And I'm not as concerned about the article as whether the comment from the IP consists of a legal threat. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 21:40, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I get that. This IP user is pretty much a one article contributor... for an article that isn't cited... and does not own that content. I am happy to add notification / tags to their user page as a first time warning.

It's most likely that they are trying to prod someone into doing what they want them to. The thing is, they don't have legal standing, since Wikipedia content isn't owned by its contributors. It automatically goes into the public domain.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I see now. Cwater1 (talk) 21:50, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

CaroleHenson, you puzzle me with the last part. If you're saying that what's contributed to Wikipedia is thereby contributed to the public domain, no, certainly not. As I write this, I am told that I "irrevocably agree to release [this] contribution under the CC BY-SA 4.0 License and the GFDL"; and the CC BY-SA license is very different from the CC0 go-ahead. However, if our minds [yes, I include my own] are addled, perhaps it's because of the original objection: "IF you are licensed by law to remove please refer to that legal section for reasoning unless respectfully it’s your emotionally based decision." I've read this several times but it still leaves me quite mystified. And as for the bigger picture: Yes, this is a PR piece unconvincingly masquerading as an encyclopedia article. -- Hoary (talk) 22:22, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Hoary I assume they mean if I removed the samples in accordance with some law or statute, to please say which law it is, otherwise I should admit that it was an 'emotionally based' edit. What sounds like a threat is the "the legal source of cjp-nhrecords wants to know...will contact you" bit. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 22:30, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary and DrOrinScrivello: Yes, there are finer points in Wikipedia:Public domain - and you definitely have a better grasp on that. My point is that most COI/ownership issues occur when someone puts something on Wikipedia and thinks it should stay there - that's not how Wikipedia works. And, especially not so if it's non-cited content about a living person.

What I should have said was, I am not a lawyer, but I have run across this issue before. I tagged the article and the talk page that the article should be significantly cleaned up or nominated for deletion, I hoped that I was taking the heat off the one deletion (i.e., leave the issue alone for now and see if they are interested in removing uncited content (which was what was deleted) or not.).–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Drafts for edits?

New editor here. If I want to make substantial edits to an article, like reformatting sections or adding lots of new information, how do I draft those? I only see the option to publish edits from the Wikipedia article editor. Thanks! Flipped script (talk) 05:15, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@flipped script: there's no drafting edits here, though you can use the show preview button to check what your edits will look like. lettherebedarklight晚安 05:16, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Flipped script: You can work on the proposed changes in your sandbox. RudolfRed (talk) 05:20, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Flipped script My suggestion would be to start small if editing the article. Add a paragraph or two of new information (well cited, of course) and publish that. Then add the next portion and so on. Don't try to do a wholesale edit that makes massive change all at once because if another editor objects (our bold, revert, dicuss cycle), their response is likely to be to revert all your work. It is quite likely that some of your changes will be uncontroversial while others may need discussion to reach consensus. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I have often done multiple, modest-sized edits to an article - at times more that 50 - in the process of raising an article to be worthy to submit to a Good Article review. A common error is to add content, meaning to add the referencing later; another is to remove referenced content without an Edit summary explaining why. David notMD (talk) 12:20, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Michael D. Turnbull and David notMD! Breaking edits up and publishing incrementally makes a lot of sense. Should I wait a certain amount of time before making each edit to give other editors a chance to review it? Flipped script (talk) 23:34, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

My thinking is don't bother. You did not mention an article name, but if not high profile or many watchers, your edits may not draw timely comments. David notMD (talk) 03:10, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

help with first submission

I am submitting an article for review. I am asked to provide a draft title. When i do that, the UI says "Please check draft title. No such draft exists." What am i to do? HalfManLion (talk) 01:11, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

HalfManLion, the correct draft title should be User:HalfManLion/sandbox. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:54, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Tx HalfManLion (talk) 04:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Who is the capital of ussr?

Moscow 2600:1700:2A14:8250:1851:C0C5:3602:F3F2 (talk) 01:39, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, the Teahouse is for asking about how to use Wikipedia. For general questions like yours, you can learn about that at USSR or by asking at the WP:REFDESK. RudolfRed (talk) 04:54, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Request for an article to be checked for B class

Hello everyone! I recently created Tornado outbreak of February 12, 1945 and had it copy-edited earlier this month. I think it is B-class worthy right now, but since I am the editor who created and conducted most of the edits on the article, I would like to ask if someone else can check it to see if it is B-class. Thank you in advance! WeatherWriter (talk) 02:33, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@WeatherWriter: You might want to try asking for such an assessment on the talk pages of the WikiProjects listed at the top of Talk:Tornado outbreak of February 12, 1945 because those WikiProjects are likely where you're going to find editors interested in the particular aubject matter who have a pretty good feel for their respective project's assessment criteria. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Downloading Images

I have a question. Can images from Wikipedia be downloaded? I know most has the free to use. I don't intend to download anything at this time. Just a question. Cwater1 (talk) 21:34, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I think the key question is can you download an image from Commons (which is where most images on Wikipedia come from). That can be done. Just click on the image. You'll see a Wikipedia url, but click "More details" and it will bring you to the commons image.

The files on Wikipedia, and not on commons, are non-free fair use images (like for logos, deceased people).–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:03, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Updated how to get to commons.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay. I was wondering. Thanks! Cwater1 (talk) 03:30, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cwater1: Not all images uploaded locally to Wikipedia are non-free content, but many are. How you may reuse a file largely depends on how it's licensed. For more information on this, see c:COM:REUSE and WP:REUSE. One important thing to remember is that just because you find an image on Wikipedia or on Commons, that doesn't mean it should've been uploaded to Wikipedia or Commons, ot that it's correctly licensed. Both the Wikipedia and Commmons communities do their best to make sure images are licensed correctly (or at least as correctly as possible), but there are no 100% guarantees and you are ultimately responsible to make sure the licensing of the files you want to download and use is correct. See WP:General disclaimer and c:COM:General disclaimer for more on this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Suggesting a change to guidelines

I intend to propose a change to some guidelines, namely MOS:ARABIC. What do I do? Do I open an RfC in that page's talk? 〜 Festucalex • talk 06:15, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Festucalex In your case I'd start with just starting a discussion at the talkpage. Rfc is generally meant as a "next step." It may come to that, but that's not a given, perhaps your proposal will seem obviously good to people. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:25, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

How many news articles are needed for the creation of new Wikipedia page

I want to write an article about a person, but it got failed. Now, I want to know that how many news articles Wikipedia needs for verification. Narendra7302 (talk) 08:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Narendra7302.

To be able to pass the Wikipedia:Notability (people) threshold, your Wikipedia article should have at least three separate reliable, independent, secondary sources that discuss your subject. See Wikipedia:Multiple sources for some more information. You can use primary sources for basic facts (such as a date of birth).

Note that your sources also must be independent of the subject, for example not self-published or from the subject's own website. You also can't use User-generated content as a source, for example IMDB or another Wikipedia.

If you cannot find multiple, reliable, and independent sources then I am afraid that they would not meet the Wikipedia:Notability (people) threshold at this time and therefore cannot have a Wikipedia article.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 08:46, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Narendra7302 and welcome to the Teahouse. If you're talking about Draft:Sidhraj Singh, then the reliable sources mentioned above also need to give significant coverage to the subject of the article, in this case Sidhraj Singh. Also, please don't delete the details of previous AfC submissions (the coloured box/boxes and comments at the top of the draft). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:02, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I made a bot but my edits aren't saving

The types of contributions I'd like to make on Wikipedia are adding inflation context to dollar-related facts using the inflation template. Look at my contributions to see some examples of that.

I made a bot to automate this, and the bot runs successfully and says that changes to the article text have been saved, but when I look at the article I don't see any change.

I've tried using the Python libraries pywikibot and mwclient. I've tried using a standard username/password login, a bot password, and oauth keys.

Does anyone know what could be going on? Chrett (talk) 17:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Chrett. You must submit your bot for approval. Read Wikipedia:Bot Approvals Group for complete information. Cullen328 (talk) 18:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Chrett: I think Cullen meant to link to Wikipedia:Bot_policy#Approval_process.

You will first need to get consensus for the edits the bot would do. If I understand correctly, you intend to add the {{inflation}} template to any dollar amount found in any page. I am not sure that would be considered desirable for the community. (I would be mildly in favor, if it is feasible; after all I am a big proponent of {{as of}}. But that’s just my opinion.)

Then, you need to get through the bot approval where technical objections can be raised. In particular, I fail to see how you would get the year at which the given factoid should be anchored - for instance, in this edit your addition of the template contains start_year=1988, which you obtained through human judgment, reading the sentence in context. How would the bot know this?

Now, I grant you NLP is a thing, and "finding if the current sentence contains a year" is probably somewhat easy (compared to cutting-edge NLP anyway). But still, that requires some nontrivial programming, and some testing to check any false positives. The bot approval process is designed to refine that sort of thing. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:28, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Creating articles

Please anyone can create article about Baburam Gautam and Sirjana Danuwar in Wikipedia 182.50.66.177 (talk) 08:28, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP Editor.

Only people who are Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed users can create articles in the mainspace. However, anyone, including users who are not logged in, may create and edit Wikipedia:Draft articles.

If you'd like to create an article about Baburam Gautam and Sirjana Danuwar, please follow the below guidelines. You need to find reliable, independent, secondary sources that cover Baburam Gautam and Sirjana Danuwar in detail, and then summarise them in your own words. That should make up the content of your article draft. Note that the sources must be:

- Reliable: Your article should rely on strong, reliable sources that are published by reputable institutions. Primary sources can be used for basic facts (such as a date of birth), but they should be supplemented with strong secondary sources that offer analysis or interpretation.

- Independent: Your sources should be independent of the subject, for example not self-published or from the subject's own website.

- Show significant coverage: Your subject should be discussed in detail in the sources you find. The sources should provide in-depth information or analysis about the subject, going beyond basic facts or promotional material.

- From multiple places: You should find at least three separate reliable, independent, secondary sources that discuss your subject.

- Not original research: Wikipedia articles should summarise existing knowledge about a subject, not present new research. This means you should avoid drawing your own conclusions or analyses from the sources. Stick to summarising what the sources say in a neutral tone.

Remember that your article should be written from a Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.

If you cannot find multiple, reliable, and independent sources then I am afraid that Baburam Gautam and Sirjana Danuwar would not meet the Wikipedia:Notability (people) at this time and therefore cannot have a Wikipedia article. Remember that Wikipedia is not a place for any type of self-promotion or advertisement. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia: not an advertising platform, directory, or a way to promote a subject.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 08:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Sandbox is not a place to create drafts (as you did) because it is blanked frequently. You are advised to create an account and then use WP:YFA to create and submit drafts. David notMD (talk) 09:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Taz: Quest for Burger

Hello, can someone who has watched this film help in writing of a plot summary, production, and/or critical reception? I AFC'd the article but was asked by the submitter to help which I cannot adequately do. 1TWO3Writer (talk) 09:24, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but not to be co-authors. David notMD (talk) 09:42, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@1TWO3Writer: Alas ...nope. That's not how Wikipedia works. Based on your contributions listing, I expect you're a Wikipedian old enough to know that writing a plot summary or info on production by someone who has watched the film, based on the fact they watched the film, would be an Original research, which is forbidden in Wikipedia. Please see the relevant policy on OR at Wikipedia:No original research.
If you want such info in an article, you need to find Reliable sources, independent from the subject (movie company or movie distributors, in this case), which discuss the subject in depth (not just mention its existence), and then summarize in an objective, impartial and non-promotional way what those sources say. You may want to see WP:NPOV & WP:PROMOTION for more details.
Please, don't be disouraged by the amount of work which appears necessary before you write (or substantially expand) an article – this is necessary for Wikipedia to keep a high quality of contents it offers. And remember to NOHURRY! --CiaPan (talk) 11:25, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

One quibble - a plot summary can indeed be written based on watching the film/reading the book/etc., since in this case the work itself is considered to be an acceptable primary source (see here). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:17, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for wasting your time. I have seen articles without sources in plot summaries so I assumed that that was normal. I'll get to helping this guy the best I can. Thanks again and sorry again! 1TWO3Writer (talk) 14:21, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

That is entirely normal, @1TWO3Writer. WP:PLOTSOURCE has the relevant guidance. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:25, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I gave the person some advice here. Hopefully, that'll get them on the right path. Thanks again @CiaPan and @119.208.172.35! 1TWO3Writer (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Errors when translating a company page from English to French

Hello,

We have a company page called Fednav that had been left unedited for a long time up until a few weeks ago when I went in and made some changes to the English (this is my first time ever editing or translating on Wikipedia). I tried translating the page to French but I get these notices at the top and don't know how to resolve.

- The formatting of this article needs to be improved

- This item is orphan . Fewer than three articles are linked to it

- The admissibility of this page is to be checked (June 2023).

Reason: No sources. The English page only shows self-sourcing

Any bit of help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks NG243197 (talk) 13:15, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @NG243197. I believe your asking for help on the French Wikipedia? Unfortunately this Teahouse is only applicable to the English Wikipedia, as every Wikipedia is a different project with their own policies. Qcne (talk) 13:36, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, would you know where could I get help regarding French translation issues? NG243197 (talk) 13:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry- just realised my initial comment was a bit dismissive. So, looking at the English Wikipedia page you can see that the four references at the bottom are problematic, and that's why the French Wikipedia has said the sources are "shows self-sourcing". The references all (other than #4) point towards Fednav's own website. Sources should not be connected to the subject: they must be Independent and not from the subject's own website.

Your best bet is to scour the web for independent third-party sources that discuss Fednav in detail, and use those as references in both the English and French Wikipedia articles.

Note that as time goes on, Wikipedia policy on referencing has gotten more strict: so even though this article has been up since 2008 it would not pass the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) threshold if it were to be created today, due to the poor references.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 14:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @NG243197 and welcome to the Teahouse. The big issue (for me, at least), is that the English original, Fednav is very poorly sourced (primary sources). So that really needs fixing first. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:39, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Esowteric, I'm new to editing and translating on Wikipedia so I'm kind of learning as I go. To improve sources, is it as simple as adding a citation where Wikipedia says "Citation Needed"? Should this, in the long run, help with my errors I'm getting when publishing the French translation? NG243197 (talk) 13:51, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, certainly you might try to provide a citation wherever it says "citation needed", or remove some text before the tag if you can find nothing, or leave that for now in the hope that other editors will be able to provide a reliable source. For sourcing, see WP:GOLDENRULE. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:58, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@NG243197: First, you have failed to declare your conflict of interest with this topic. Having changed your username from Fednav to NG243197 does not absolve you of this responsibility. Second, you should concentrate on fixing the issues with the English language article that have been pointed out here. Third, as others have noted, fr.wiki has its own set of rules, policies and editors. Your French translation has been tagged by users of the fr.wiki so you'll need to communicate with them to resolve those issues. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:45, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 In order to remove any kind of conflict of interest with the Fednav wiki page, does this mean nobody from the organization is able to update and maintain the page? I don't quite understand how the page is to be updated otherwise. Seeing as though the last time this page was properly updated was a few years back, there is company information that needs to be made relevant. Curious to know how to move forward.. NG243197 (talk) 14:54, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@NG243197: As you're saying that Fednav is, by your words, our company, there are two things that need to be addressed. The first is that if you are employed by the company, you are considered to have a paid relationship, in which case you must disclose said relationship, most preferably on your user page at User:NG243197. The second is that you are giving the impression that your account is being operated by more than one person. Shared accounts are not allowed.

The most appropriate avenue of conduct is to submit a request through Wikipedia's edit request system. Make sure to use the {{request edit}} template. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:06, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tenryuu the account NG243197 is being operated by one person. NG243197 (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. You still need to disclose your paid relationship as mentioned above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@NG243197: Nobody from your organization should be editing that article at all. You may make minor corrections to spelling, grammar, names, etc. You may add citations to reliable sources that are independent of your organization. You can revert obvious vandalism. Anything more substantive, you must propose on the article talk page for other editors to review. You may preface your proposal with the template {{request edit}} to cause your proposal to be listed on a category page monitored by some editors. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Vusi Thembekwayo

Hi, I need the forum's input regarding this article. Just wondering why this article is not showing on Google up until now. Also, it's not been indexed on Google just yet. Is there a reason behind this, please? Happy to discuss the options. Thanks Oceanview1590 (talk) 16:06, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Vusi Thembekwayo. Moved to mainspace on 31 May 2023‎. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:08, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Noted! Thanks. Still within the 90 days circle. Oceanview1590 (talk) 16:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Oceanview1590: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1192. New articles aren't indexed on search engines like Google until it has been approved by a new pages reviewer or 90 days have passed, whichever comes first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:21, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Tenryuu Thanks appreciate the input! Oceanview1590 (talk) 16:36, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

provide awareness and understanding for an NGO that is doing great work globally so people can understand the mission.

We have a number people desiring awareness of the great work Amigos Internacionales is doing globally to fight sex trafficking, child hunger and water wells. How do we get an article on Wikipedia about this great work? Amigos Internacionales, Inc (talk) 16:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Amigos Internacionales, Inc, welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, since your user name seems to represent an organization rather than you personally, you should apply for a change of username as soon as possible, as you are in violation of our username policy. Please see WP:CHU for instructions.

Wikipedia has articles about organizations which are deemed notable by our standards (WP:NORG). The most important thing you need is significant independent, secondary coverage of your organization which has been published in reliable sources (WP:42). If you have such coverage, please declare your conflict of interest per WP:PAID, then you can begin writing a draft. Full instructions at Help:Your first article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:41, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Blocked for the username/promotion as I was responding. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:41, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for the purpose of "building awareness" of the "great work" that any organization does. Instead, our goal is to provide neutrally written and well referenced encyclopedia articles about notable organizations even if they do terrible work, such as organized crime groups for example. Cullen328 (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Player Profiles For NBA Players.

Can you add a Profile for Each of these NBA players So that I can see descriptions of each playing style. I want to have a player profile for Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving since both are great players. JwillWiki454 (talk) 10:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @JwillWiki454. We have articles for both Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving. Qcne (talk) 10:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I want you add a profile for both of these players. For example, like Kobe LeBron Giannis Jordan KD Curry JwillWiki454 (talk) 10:49, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

If you have suggestions for those two players, you can either Wikipedia:Be bold and make the additions yourself, making sure that the additions you add are all sourced by independent, reliable sources. Alternatively you can make an edit request Wikipedia:Edit requests on the article Talk pages. Qcne (talk) 10:52, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

We don't have "profiles" here, we have articles. As noted, we have articles about the players you mention. Are you trying to say that those articles are missing content? If so, and if you have reliable sources to support new content, please propose edits on the relevant article talk pages. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I dont know what Im Doing, I want somebody to have a Header For Legacy for both of those players. Anthony Davis Kyrie Irving JwillWiki454 (talk) 11:02, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Can Someone please edit it for me. Include a Profile as a Header for AD and Kyrie JwillWiki454 (talk) 11:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

JwillWiki454, there is no rule on Wikipedia that every article within a given subject area (such as 'basketball players') has to have the same structure. Different articles are written by different editors, and as long as they conform with Wikipedia's policies and do not misrepresent facts, they will be acceptable.

What you request is not required, and would take considerable work by someone in order to re-structure and expand the articles.

I would add that many people understand "legacy" to be an assessment of the effects of someone's career after it has ended. Davis and Irving are still both active players, so it is probably premature to talk about their "legacies." Wikipedia does not have deadlines – wait until they have retired. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.177.243 (talk) 17:07, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I dont want the legacy header for both of them, I just want somebody to add a profile for both since both are or were great players in their prime. I see Draymond Green have one, why cant those two have one on their article. JwillWiki454 (talk) 17:48, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@JwillWiki454, there's no reason they can't have one, but there's also no way to force anyone to create such a section. Wikipedia editors are mostly volunteers who do whatever strikes their fancy at the moment. No one has taken a fancy to adding such sections on those pages. You're free to make suggestions on the talk pages, but if you're not willing to put in any work yourself, your suggestions may simply be ignored. Perhaps you'd like to check out WP:WikiProject Basketball if you want to get involved in working on such articles. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Stash error issue facing

I am creating wikipedia account and while publishing account i am facing stash issue ⧼No stashed content found for 0/0d467389-15d5-11ee-8306-d094663b2868⧽.

So, please help with this issue.

Page Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&create=Create+draft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&preload=Wikipedia%3AArtist+biography+article+template%2FPreload&title=Draft%3ASanjay+Raina Sanjayr1505 (talk) 17:51, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Sanjayr1505 and welcome to the Teahouse.

Since we are dealing with this issue at IRC channel #wikipedia-en-help, other helpers should probably ignore this entry at the Teahouse. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:27, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

'round

this is about one very small detail that, as far the manual of style cares, isn't important enough to mention, so it wouldn't be surprising if there was no actual answer to this

when using approximations (like "Prime claims to have personally killed 12 trillion people" when there were 12,265,918,177,013), is there any concern with the actual number, such as not being able to use a larger number (like saying there were around 12.3t), or having to go with the nearest multiple of 5, 10 or whatever other multiple of 10?

i would assume it's just using the nearest number with the least amount of characters required to write it, or getting a citation from someone else's words and running with what said citation says cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 13:24, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia should simply report what your reliable source says. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:33, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

thanks cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 13:36, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san If you felt a very specific number was too detailed, it would be acceptable to round it down to, say, "over 12.25t, but I would avoid anything that approximated something over what sources say. Doing it as I suggest would allow a user to follow the citation and determine the precise number, but any vagueness or summary should never permit over-interpretation of a number. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

UnitedHealth Group requests

Hello! I've been submitting some edit requests for the UnitedHealth Group article at Talk:UnitedHealth Group. I've disclosed my conflict of interest appropriately and I've been using the edit request template so other editors could review proposed improvements. I thought I was following Wikipedia's COI process correctly, but one editor has marked five of my requests as answered and left a comment suggesting I was not using the template appropriately. I'm not exactly sure what I did wrong but I don't feel like the content changes I've proposed have been considered sufficiently. Can someone please take a look and clarify if I should have used the template differently, or weigh in on the specific requests? Any feedback here would help me understand how to submit better proposals. Thanks! Barbara at UHG (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Barbara at UHG: the editor who closed the requests gave a fairly clear answer. The number of the requests and their apparent lack of organization made them impossible to review. I suggest you make one request at a time, in whatever priority order you feel is appropriate. If you do make multiple requests, they should pertain to different sections of the article, and be quite clear about what you want changed and why. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:10, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

How to cite a particular musical score?

I'm going to start writing and revising some articles using a new critical edition of a composer's complete works and had a question about citing from it. I know the "author" parameter would be used for the composer's name and that "editor"... speaks for itself. But there is often a third and sometimes fourth person involved in each volume who is neither the composer nor editor, but is the author of the critical commentary and/or of the notes explaining and describing the score sketches and manuscripts. How do I cite them correctly? CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

CurryTime7-24, ...| others=With a critical commentary on the orchestration by Joe Bloggs and supplementary notes on the holograph by Josephine Bloggs. | ...; or indeed whatever you like after "others=". -- Hoary (talk) 02:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much!! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

cs1/2: deprecated & replacement paramaters list?

is there any special page for complete list of cs1/2 deprecated or replacement  of parameters? రుద్రుడు చెచ్క్వికి (talk) 03:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

రుద్రుడు చెచ్క్వికి, what do you mean by "cs1/2"? -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary what do you mean by "cs1/2" citation style 1 [ cs1 ], citation style 2 [ cs2 ] రుద్రుడు చెచ్క్వికి (talk) 04:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@రుద్రుడు చెచ్క్వికి: Does Template:Citation_Style_documentation#deprecated help? RudolfRed (talk) 02:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfRed Does Template:Citation_Style_documentation#deprecated help? Yes రుద్రుడు చెచ్క్వికి (talk) 04:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Editing approval

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sridevi Here I edited twice and still getting rejected in spite of attaching the necessary link with it . At first a senior Wikipedian rejected it because I didn't attach any source but after the attachment he approved it and send me a welcome message but another Wikipedian changed it . I can see there are a lot of places in that page where it should be edited and deserves addition. Now if the editing gets rejected again and again how will I proceed ? SANKURDAS (talk) 04:50, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi SANKURDAS. Disagreements between editors over article content are generally best resolved by discussing the matter on the article's talk page as explained in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. So, what you can do is start a discussion about the content you want to add at Talk:Sridevi and explain why you think it should be added. This will give others a chance to comment and allow Wikipedia:Consensus to possibly be established on whether the content should be added. One possible reason that I could see for your edit being removed is that you tried to add the content directly to the lead section of the article. As explained in MOS:LEAD, the lead section of an article should generally summarize the main points of the article that are covered in the body sections of the article; in other words, the lead section shouldn't really be the only place where something is mentioned (even if supported by a source). Another possible problem with the content could be that referring to a single source referring to Sridevi as the "Last Empress" of Indian cinema might be considered placing too much emphasis on that one single source for Wikipedia's purposes. In that particular writer's opinion Sridevi may be the "Last Empress", but that particular writer's opinion might not be significant enough to be mentioned on Wikipedia. There might be other reasons why your edit was undone, and the best way to find out what they are for sure would be to start discussing the edit on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:18, 29 June 2023 (UTC);[Note: Spelling of "Sridevi" corrected by Marchjuly per below. -- 05:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)]

Sir , be concerned about the name which is taken , She is "SRIDEVI" not "SRIDEV" .I might not mind in others' cases but here ....and thanks for your suggestion. SANKURDAS (talk) 05:24, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Public domain

what is public domain material on wikipedia. [ie...] articles, movies, pictures. and what is not public domain, and is strictly copyright? M.S. Sekuloff 07:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sekuloff (talk • contribs)

Hello Sekuloff and welcome to the Teahouse.

Most material on Wikipedia is not public domain. Instead, it is copyrighted by the contributor and released under a Creative Commons license. Most of the time a general attribution to Wikipedia is sufficient if you wish to copy Wikipedia material elsewhere. See WP:Copyrights for more details.

Some material on Wikimedia Commons is public domain. There is license information accompanying each file which you can check. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Rejected for G11: promotional material

Hey Wiki community, I have attempted twice to post an article on a recruitment software company called UseVerb. It keeps being rejected because it is too promotional. I'm not sure how I can write it any less promotional? I don't use any promotional language, I only state the functionality of the product and features, but do not make any comments about it being superior or producing any certain results. It is very neutral. I am also not affiliated with the subject.

I have referred to how other similar pages have been written, such as LinkedIn and HubSpot and have followed same structure and tone of voice? I feel like it's being rejected solely on the basis that it is a commercial company?

The page is speedy deleted instantly, so I cannot share it for you to review. But you may be able to see it here: User talk:Therealslimwikieditor

I have asked for help/further from the people who rejected it and they have just told me to ask here.

Thank you for your assistance!

Therealslimwikieditor (talk) 01:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

pinging @Deepfriedokra and @Fancy Refrigerator, who deleted and denied the AfC recently respectively 💜  melecie  talk - 04:52, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Therealslimwikieditor. Hi. Please see WP:NOTPRICE. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 06:00, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@331dot: for third opinion if you are available. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 07:42, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Therealslimwikieditor Hello. The draft just tells about the existence of the company and the features of its products, and two of the sources are the company itself. You summarized the information fairly well(though without inline citations, see WP:REFB), but that's not what is being looked for. An article about UseVerb must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company and what makes it important/significant/influential, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. We don't want a mere description of what the company does and what its products do, we want to know what others wholly unaffiliated with the company choose to say about it. This does not include the company website, press releases, staff interviews, or announcements of its business activities(like the release of a product or acquisition of a competitor). 331dot (talk) 09:04, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

This is very helpful, thank you so much! I will take this into account. They are a relatively new business, so not much external sources yet. Therealslimwikieditor (talk) 08:53, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Typically a new or "startup" business does not merit an article- a business must be sufficiently established and recognized in its field to be written about by independent sources. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Therealslimwikieditor, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not an admin, so I can't see your deleted draft. But I'd be willing to bet that, unlike LinkedIn and HubSpot, your draft didn't have the multiple indepedent substantial sources that are an absolute essential to establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

It's as though you're saying "I built my house to look just like that one over there, but it's fallen down": what it looks like can be fixed, but if you have not surveyed the ground and checked that it is stable, then it won't stand up. In Wikipedia terms, "surveying the ground to check it's stable" is "finding the necessary sources to establish that the subject is notable. ColinFine (talk) 09:04, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much, this is the sort of feedback I was looking for. Appreciate it. Now I know what I need to do, thank you :) Therealslimwikieditor (talk) 08:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Pop up changes settings

Today (6/29/23) I began getting a pop up message on my phone (Android v.11) that says,"en.m.wikipedia.org says Please reload your page to use hotcat. Cancel ... Ok". Regardless of what action I take, after I clear the pop up, my Settings have been changed to activate Advanced Mode, which changes how my Watchlist is displayed. I de-activate Advanced Mode, but the pop up will soon reappear and my Settings will be changed to Advanced Mode again. I haven't been able to determine what particular sequence of my inputs (if any) are triggering the pop up. So far, I am unable to control this behavior. Any insight available? DonFB (talk) 03:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, DonFB. Few people here know much about how the software behaves. I suggest asking at WP:VPT. I@m not sure whether you're talking about the website on your phone or the Android App; if it is the latter, have a look at m:Wikimedia Apps. ColinFine (talk) 10:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Removing a UPE

Can someone remove the UPE from Draft:Oleg Rogynskyy? We've already discussed this story around here, and @Hoary was kind enough to remove a UPE from a related page. To state it bluntly again, there is no payment of any kind, just an overzealous patroller who now disappeared. Comments on the draft are welcome too. Thank you. Igor Markov 10:26, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

A reasonable request, Igor Markov. I've removed it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Help with my book reference

I’ve added a book reference. this is how I added it: The Making of Enter The Dragon. USA: Unique Publications. 1987. p. 177. ISBN 0865680981. {{cite book}}: External link in |author-link= (help) and it looks totally wrong. How do I fix it? I thought I did the right thing Urgeback (talk) 11:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Urgeback, in order for author-link to work, you need to specify an author. You haven't done so. Author-link must be an internal link. Also, thriftbooks.com I think is a retailer, and amazon.com.au definitely is a retailer; don't link to retailers. Isn't the location more specific than "USA"? -- Hoary (talk) 11:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Tried again and this is what I got: Despite rumours to the contrary, he was not deaf.The Making of Enter The Dragon. Burbank, California, USA: Unique Publications. 1987. p. 177. ISBN 0865680981. {{cite book}}: External link in |author-link= (help) Urgeback (talk) 12:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Urgeback, not last= |first= |author-link= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Clouse but last=Clouse |first=Robert |author-link=Robert Clouse -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Status of my draft article

Curious to know the status of my draft article, Draft:Haiti Victory and Duke of York Collision - Wikipedia. I think I addressed the concerns raised in the initial review. If there are remaining issue, I'd appreciate some guidance. Mgeverest (talk) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mgeverest You would be best to resubmit the draft so that those experienced in reviewing them can formally comment. I assume that the copyvio issue has been fixed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

My Article Got Rejected

Hello Wikipedians,

I don't know why my article got rejected Please share some tips What can i do now? Nawaz Chandwani (talk) 11:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Nawaz Chandwani/sandbox Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Are you asking about User:Nawaz Chandwani/sandbox (which was declined, not rejected, and as long ago as 4 April)? Or, Nawaz Chandwani, are you asking about something else? -- Hoary (talk) 12:06, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Good day, Nawaz Chandwani

While I only speak English and French, it does look like some of the citations are quite questionable. For example, "official song" or "full video" which could imply a personal connection. If you want more details you can either ask me or the reviewers. Also, please don't cite a Google search page. ✶Mitch199811✶ 12:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Nawaz, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid, looking at your draft, that you have probably made the same mistake as most people do who try to write an article without having first learnt how Wikipedia works: you have written it BACKWARD.

My "tip" would be to throw away what you have written, and start again by finding sources that are reliable, independent, and contain significant coverage of the Sabri brothers. See Golden rule for more explanation, but what I will say here is: ignore anything created, published, or commissioned by the Sabri brothers or their associates, and anything based on their words (i.e. interviews or press releases). Especially do not include links to their works: it may be possible to add some in later, but they will not contribute in any way to making the draft acceptable as an article. This is because Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

If you cannot find such sources, then you will know that they do not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article on them will be accepted. If you do find the sources, then you can write a draft. Forget everything you know about them, and write a draft based entirely on what those sources say. ColinFine (talk) 16:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

edit in more than one language

Hello, I would like to edit in more than one language, how do I add this to my profile? And how do I get edit suggestions in a different language than English? Many thanks! Pascale Kamacites Place (talk) 13:06, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @Kamacites Place, and welcome to the Teahouse. That's a really interesting question!

You can add one or more WP:USERBOXES to your userpage to show what languages you are fluent in. There is a huge library of existing userboxes you can select from - you simply add the code to your userpage.

Your registered username will work across all language wikipedias. So, once you're logged on, you can simply move to, say, fr.wiki or ru.wiki and edit there. Remember that each Wikipedia has slightly different rules, often affecting notability criteria and reliable sources, but the principles of collaboration and proper citation are the same everywhere. i.e. you an't just add your opinions - the content you put in must be based upon published sources of high reliability.

You can find an article on one language Wikipedia and click the language link at the top of the page to see what other languages that topic has an article on. You might wish to expand one of them if it seems much poorer than the others. There is also further advice at WP:TRANSLATION on how to credit (=attribute) content written in one language when all you are doing is simply converting it directly into a different language. Does any of this help? Nick Moyes (talk) 13:48, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Kamacites Place In addition to what Nick has suggested, you can look for articles in the English Wikipedia which have been tagged on their Talk Page with one of the "Expand [another language]". So, if you are fluent in German, for example, you would go to the template page {{Expand German}} and click on "What links here". That would give you the list of about 16,000 articles where it is known that the German article has more content than our does. The advantage of this approach is that the topic is likely to pass our notability criteria and the only issue will be to ensure the new sources are OK. I assume that similar templates exist on other-language Wikipedias if you want to write in the foreign language based on what is already here in English. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:26, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

AfD closed by a non-administrator

There was an ongoing AfD of the page Raiden Shogun, with multiple votes for merge and multiple for keep, that was closed before 7 full days were up by a non-administrator. From my understanding, AfDs must be allowed to run for 7 full days, and they should normally be closed by an administrator. However I don't know how to bring this up to the AfD committee, or if I have the right or a good reason to. Jaguarnik (talk) 05:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

A textbook WP:BADNAC, with the editor in question being WP:INVOLVED at the article to boot. I've reopened the AfD and warned the closer. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:48, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jaguarnik: An AFD need not run for a full 7 days in certain situations, for example: the outcome is an obvious "keep" per WP:SNOW, or the nominator stated a desire to withdraw the nomination, or an early closure would otherwise be non-controversial. In that case, an uninvolved editor can close the discussion; it doesn't have to be an administrator. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

How to appropriately create Wikipedia pages

for musicians who have little to no press or exposure Meta eli (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Meta eli. A musician who has received little to no press coverage is not a notable person and is therefore ineligible for a Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 19:10, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

A musician with little or no press exposure could be notable by meeting any of the criteria described in WP:MUSICBIO. However, generally meeting any of those criteria would result in press exposure. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Image publishing problem

If I'm writing a new article or draft, how do I add an image or logo without getting a copywrite claim or something? Even though I do not own the rights to any image made by someone else, I find it slightly difficult to add an image to a draft i'm writing. Could you give me advice on how to add an image to a draft easier without getting a copywrite notice? Please and Thank you!

Love: The G-Man ❤ Gaered Linn (talk) 18:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Gaered Linn: Normally, the copyright holder of the image needs to write to VRT to release the image to the Wikimedia Foundation under an acceptable free license. The template for such an email is found in WP:CONSENT. If you can contact the author, you can ask if he or she is willing to do this.

If you're referring to Draft:The Great Wolf Pack: A Call to Adventure, then you can upload a scaled down image of a movie poster to Wikipedia (not to Wikimedia Commons, which accepts only free-license or public-domain images), and specify that you're uploading it with a "fair use" rationale for use in one specific article. However, this would normally be done after your draft is accepted by a reviewer, because we cannot use non-free content in drafts. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:44, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Gaered and welcome to the Teahouse. Note also that images are not generally something that reveiwers look at when judging whether to accept a draft: what matters is the sourcing, and the tone. Most issues of format (including a lack of images) can be sorted out afterwards, and don't affect the review. ColinFine (talk) 21:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Convention relating to the International Status of Refugees

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Dispute resolution

 – –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:44, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

There is a growing issue of mass migration of refugees fueled not only by war, violence and economic reasons, but increasingly due to climate change which is making previously fertile lands barren and increasing heat making regions trending to uninhabitable.

A search on this issue led me to a now deleted Wikipedia article:

• Convention relating to the International Status of Refugees.

So I reached out to the editor who deleted this page and was advised that the article had been deleted because it had been created by an alleged sock-puppet of a banned user, per WP:CSD#G5.

• User_talk:Explicit&oldid=1158927825

I have no idea what previously existed in the subject page and, notwithstanding that this page was allegedly created by a banned user, I am curious to know what it previously contained. I understand that I am liberty to re-create the page, but would not want to start from scratch if there is material content that was summarily deleted.

Enquire (talk) 17:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Enquire. Talk pages are usually for discussing the article that they're attached to, in this case Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. In the future, general questions can be posted at WP:TEAHOUSE. But anyway, Convention relating to the International Status of Refugees was a redirect to Convention Relating to the International Status of Refugees, and the latter article contained 2 paragraphs and 2 sources. If you'd like the contents of that article possibly sent to you, you can make a request at WP:REFUND. Hope that helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Enquire: The two cited sources are here: [8] and [9]. If you want, you can build an article around that, but the deleted article didn't have anything substantive. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:55, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Including book reviews in an entry on an author?

Hello, and thank you in advance for your guidance. I'm creating a Wikipedia article for an author and I assume that quoting some relevant passages from newspaper book reviews will help to establish the notability of the author (e.g. book reviews from The Guardian, The Economist, The Globe and Mail, and so on). My question is how many reviews should I quote from? I assume three would be a minimum; what would the upper limit be? Thank you, Vesper Vesper.and.Twilight (talk) 01:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@Vesper.and.Twilight: First, please clarify, are you creating an article for an author, or about an author? If it's the former, you need to declare your conflict of interest on your user page, and if you're getting any sort of compensation, you need to make a paid editing declaration; see WP:PAID for guidance.

As to your question, three is sufficient. If there are any other major publications giving reviews, then you can included those also. With the major publications, you don't need other kinds, like from local newspapers.

Bear in mind also that books can be notable while the author is not. Reviews of a book constitutes coverage of the book, not the author. I had this problem also when trying to write an article about an author; the reviewer of my draft suggested I recast it into an article about the book, which was on two best-seller lists. I did that (the article is now published as Gameknight999), and the article was better for the change. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:11, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Vesper.and.Twilight. According to the notability guideline WP:CREATIVE, The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series. So, yes, book reviews published in reliable sources are very useful for establishing the notability of an author as they are for establishing the notability of a book. The number of reviews to cite is a matter of editorial judgment. Enough to establish notability but do not belabor the point by adding too many. Read Good articles a out authors as models. Cullen328 (talk) 01:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, this was very helpful and clarifying! Vesper.and.Twilight (talk) 02:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Vesper.and.Twilight, the question that I think Anachronist is getting at is: Would your purpose in creating an article be that of benefitting the author or their reputation? As for me, I'm happy both (i) to acknowledge that English prepositions are polysemous, and (ii) to have created articles for a number of writers, most recently Georgie Starbuck Galbraith (by now an obscure figure). I didn't do so for her benefit: for one thing, she's long dead. I never met her or anyone who'd met her; I've had no contact whatever with her heirs (if she even has any), acquaintances, whatever. And so forth -- and so I'm confident that there's no conflict of interest. I found four comments, all unfortunately pretty humdrum, about her sole book; and cited all of them. I'd hesitate before citing more than five; however, if each of seven said something perceptive that wasn't said by any of the other six (unlikely for a collection of light poetry), I'd have gone ahead with seven. It occurs to me now that I may have quoted too liberally; usually, it's better to summarize and cite rather than quote. BTW, the fact that an author has had one or more books reviewed in The Guardian, The Economist, and The Globe and Mail makes them sound most promising material for an article here. -- Hoary (talk) 01:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I should clarify that I'm creaing an entry about the author not for him. I don't know him but I do know his work (I've read all of his books). Vesper.and.Twilight (talk) 02:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Very helpful! Vesper.and.Twilight (talk) 02:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

template/tag/? what do you call those banner things at the top of articles

I have heard them called "maintenance tags/templates" lots of things. what do you call them? Iljhgtn (talk) 02:19, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

i am asking because i want to properly label adding or removing them in edit summaries. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: They are normally called "maintenance tags". Technically, the code that lies behind them forms the templates. But nobody would complain or be confused if you called them that, either.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

well what do you say? Iljhgtn (talk) 02:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

i want to use one term Iljhgtn (talk) 02:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Iljhgtn, I recommend that you be succinct and call them tags. All experienced editors will know what you are talking about. Cullen328 (talk) 02:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

tags works for me Iljhgtn (talk) 02:46, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

cool beans Iljhgtn (talk) 02:46, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Rusdi Genest & BLP removal

Courtesy link - I was looking for sources to add to this page and quickly learned that Genest passed away in 2019. I've edited the page with this info & its source. What's the procedure for removing the BLP notice on the talk page, or is this something I can't do (yet) as a new account? I don't want to mess up the rest of the WikiProject info there, or overstep anything that may need a longer review process. Thanks! Wineguard (talk) 00:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@Wineguard: I removed the BLP parameters from the talk page. You would be permitted to do the same. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I suppose I'll get to work on my BOLDness. Wineguard (talk) 01:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@Wineguard: I updated the categories at the bottom of article to also reflect his death. Cmr08 (talk) 03:22, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Mir Taqi Mir

in first paragraph his father name is writen as "" Meer Muttaqi"" while in another paragraph his father name is writen as "Mir Abdullah"" which one is correct name? 39.40.66.51 (talk) 12:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to ask this question would be on the talk page of the article, in this case, Talk:Mir Taqi Mir. 331dot (talk) 12:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft assistance

Hi, Would like to confirm if I still need additional reference for this draft Draft:Fela Akinse to meet notability, for it to be accepted to article space.Bruce954 (talk) 12:27, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Bruce954 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I've fixed the link to your draft(not everyone uses the mobile version and doing the link as I did will take the viewer to their preferred version). You have submitted the draft for review and it is pending, the reviewer will leave you feedback if they do not accept it. 331dot (talk) 12:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bruce954: this draft has been resubmitted and is awaiting review; notability etc. issues will be assessed when it gets reviewed. Please be patient. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Italicizing loanwords

The Manual of Style does not seem particularly prescriptive on which foreign words and phrases to put into italics. My personal preference, which of course counts for little, is to italicize those for which most would attempt the foreign pronunciation; so we don't say "table" in imitation of the French, but "fin de siècle", "en route" and "oevre" we do. Doug butler (talk) 06:05, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Doug butler, if you're asking how best to interpret the MoS, or how best to fill up what seem to be gaps in the MoS, then a far better place to ask would be Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Text formatting. -- Hoary (talk) 07:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

A good link, thanks. Doug butler (talk) 13:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

The criterion I use is whether the word or expression has been anglicized, i.e. whether it appears in a reliable English language dictionary in roman. This is not easy to predict, but all the more familiar loan words are anglicized. The pronunciation is not relevant (think café and croissant). According to Oxford en route and oeuvre are anglicized, while fin de siècle is not. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Is there a formula to add together multiple lengths?

Hello. When editing User:Roads4117/A508 road length, I was wondering if Wikipedia had a formula for adding together multiple numbers or lengths, or if you have to do it all manually? Looking forward to seeing your response. Roads4117 (talk) 17:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Roads4117. There is Template:Sum, but that needs to be given its parameters individually, so will be of limited help.

But Help:Table#Summing or averaging a list of numbers looks as if it will do what you want (I never use the VE, so I haven't tried it). ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Looking at A507, in my view there is already a lot of original research in it, together with inappropriate tone and verging into WP:NOTTRAVEL. (I'm not sure how much of that you have introduced, and how much was already there). ColinFine (talk) 18:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine, thanks for your help. I have mainly added citations, and a few paragraphs of the route section of the A508 page. Roads4117 (talk) 18:19, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine Oh, and whilst I am here, is there a formula to shade/colour in different cells, or is that not possible on Wikipedia? Roads4117 (talk) 08:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello Roads. I have no idea. If you can, it's probably covered in Help:Table. Also be aware of the accessibility issues around using coour: see WP:COLOUR. ColinFine (talk) 08:53, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thanks, Colin!! Roads4117 (talk) 15:22, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Log In

Hello, I have made a Wiki account (on the English page). Does this mean that I only can edit or change pages on the English Wikipedia? I was asked which languages I can read and I put in a few other languages than English (Dutch, French, German). I would appreciate a response. Thank you. Hukvaldy (talk) 13:27, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Hukvaldy. Welcome to the Teahouse. Your registered username works across all language Wikipedias, and you can edit pages there, providing you follow the basic guidelines and principles of only adding content based upon reliable sources, and don't simply insert view or 'things you happen to know', At each language site you would have a userpage you can edit in that language. You may find after the first time you visit another language Wikipedia that you get an automated welcome message to that talk page which you may see a notification from it after you've returned back to your primary language's Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Nick, much appreciated. When I go to the Dutch page I am "Not logged in" (it says "Niet aangemeld") but I am at the English page. Do I have to log in at each page separately? Hukvaldy (talk) 13:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Hukvaldy It can happen that you need to log in on each language version of Wikipedia seperately (it generally depends on how strict your browser is with cross-origin-requests). Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:23, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

How do I get badges?

Does anyone know how I get badges? Joshbanana (talk) 04:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@joshbanana: can you give some examples? lettherebedarklight晚安 04:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

In the user moons of lo, she/they/he have multiple badges Joshbanana (talk) 04:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@joshbanana: those are placed automatically on one's userpage when one goes through the wikipedia adventure, a tutorial to wikipedia editing. lettherebedarklight晚安 04:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

And I was going to say "by attending your local police academy". :) 331dot (talk) 18:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)