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For instructions on how to nominate an article, see Template:DYK nomination header § Instructions for nominators.
"Template:Did you know nominations" redirects here. For the list of approved nominations, see Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
September 22 1 1
September 23 2
September 24 1
September 26 2 1
September 27 2 1
October 3 1
October 4 1 1
October 5 1
October 6 1
October 7 3 1
October 8 1
October 9 2 1
October 10 1 1
October 11 1
October 13 7 1
October 15 5
October 16 4 2
October 17 2
October 18 6
October 19 4 1
October 20 4 3
October 22 8 3
October 23 4
October 24 3
October 25 4 3
October 26 1 1
October 27 4 3
October 28 5
October 29 1
October 30 7 3
October 31 8 1
November 1 11 7
November 2 8 4
November 3 16 12
November 4 7 3
November 5 10 5
November 6 5 2
November 7 9 5
November 8 7 2
November 9 7 5
November 10 10 6
November 11 6 4
November 12 5 3
November 13 7 2
November 14 8 2
November 15 12 5
November 16 9 4
November 17 6 3
November 18 13 10
November 19 12 4
November 20 8 1
November 21 4 1
November 22 1 1
November 23 1 1
November 24
November 25
Total 279 120
Last updated 09:59, 25 November 2024 UTC
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Instructions for nominators

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If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing. Further information can be found at the DYK guidelines.

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Frequently asked questions

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How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Instructions for reviewers

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Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.
  • After the nomination is approved, a bot will automatically list the nomination page on Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures

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How to promote an accepted hook

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At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)

  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

  • To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook

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  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

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  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

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  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

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Older nominations

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Articles created/expanded on September 23

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Ngiam Tong Dow

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  • Source: "In 1968, we went to the World Bank meeting. The South Africans were there and we invited the South African Finance Minister to our hotel room."

"Dr Goh wanted to buy gold at a fixed price, rather than a floating market price. So we agreed to buy 100 tons, a substantial amount, at $40 US dollars." "Then he took out his US one dollar note. And sliced it into halves! Just like that. He gave half to me and said, "You keep this. I will keep the other half and my man will meet you in Switzerland."" "I handed the sliced US dollar note over. He took out the other half. It matched! The serial numbers were the same."

Ngiam, Tong Dow. A Mandarin and the Making of Public Policy: Reflections by Ngiam Tong Dow. ISBN: 978-9971-69-350-3
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Created by BenTanXiaoMing (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 09:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: v/r - TP 15:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BenTanXiaoMing: @TParis: This hook violates WP:EGG, and the claim that it is/was the "largest" purchase is never mentioned in the article, just that it was the first. A new hook is needed. Kimikel (talk) 03:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel: "Largest" was in there at the time of the review. It was removed in this edit by @Justanothersgwikieditor:. I've added it in with a new ref. And the hook is fine. No one expects to find an article titled "purchase of gold from South Africa". But here is an alt anyway.--v/r - TP 13:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 is good to go. Nobody would reasonably infer that a link saying "purchase of gold from South Africa was completed" would lead to a page about a Singaporean civil servant, so ALT0 is not fine, per WP:EGG. Kimikel (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're just going to skim over the fact that you accused me of lazily not verifying the original hook without checking the article's history?--v/r - TP 01:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not "accuse" of you of anything. I simply noted that the article and the hook did not match, which is a requirement for DYK. Get over yourself. Kimikel (talk) 02:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because it had been changed after the review. Geeze, some people--v/r - TP 02:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BenTanXiaoMing and TParis: I wouldn't call an autobiography a reliable source for a claim like this, unless it was clear someone independently fact-checked and verified it. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: Thanks for highlighting the issue! I managed to find a few more sources to support the claim. Added it to the article. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 07:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TParis and Theleekycauldron: Is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done?--Launchballer 14:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer and BenTanXiaoMing: I think the best source for the claim would be Bold Vision: The Untold Story of Singapore’s Reserves and Its Sovereign Wealth Fund, by Freddy Orchard? It's what the AFR source is quoting. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BenTanXiaoMing: Please address the above as this times out in 36 hours.--Launchballer 12:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Apologies for the delayed response. Thanks to theleekycauldron for highlighting the original source. I've added it as a citation in the article as that is the best source so far to back up the claim.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BenTanXiaoMing (talk • contribs)
Pinging @Theleekycauldron:, as pings don't work if you don't sign.--Launchballer 13:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Thanks for the ping and heads up! Will take note. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 06:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muthkwey

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  • ... that məθkʷəy̓ was not harvested or walked over, because oral tradition held that it had grown from the droppings of a two-headed serpent?
  • Reviewed: Noken system
  • Comment: Will work on the QPQ shortly, thank you to the reviewer in advance! Done the QPQ!
Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

Ornithoptera (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Narutolovehinata5, the "weird spelling" in question is the Americanist phonetic notation that is used for Indigenous North American languages. Like many terms in the languages of the Pacific Northwest Coast, məθkʷəy̓ is not "romanized" in the traditional sense because they still use Latin characters and contemporary inclusions of the notation are often unedited, such as "ʔálʔal Café" rather than "All-all Cafe" I will provide some examples of such:
For further reading, here is a quote from the University of British Columbia on the matter: "In the 1970’s, the Musqueam community began their journey towards language revitalization, and formally adopted the North American Phonetic Alphabet (NAPA). NAPA allows the sounds of hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓ to be more accurately conveyed in writing. The symbols that may be unfamiliar to you, including ə, q̓, θ, xʷ, and more have corresponding phonetics that you can learn in order to pronounce written hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓."
There is no "standard" transliteration, most English language sources refer to the plant as məθkʷəy̓ with no alteration. The article title was based on the one that Wayne Suttles employed in his 2004 Musqueam Reference Grammar, but there are multiple ways to transliterate this term without a standardized form, nor is there much of a need to, as the base of the notation are Latin characters. I thought it would be ideal to use the term with no alteration as many other sources have before. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I was asking because, from what I remember, DYK usually doesn't use non-Latin characters in hooks. I'm pretty sure there was a guideline about it (I think using the language template?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To my understanding Narutolovehinata5, the Americanist phonetic notation is (to a degree) the Latin alphabet, and I'm sure there have been instances where letters such as Þ or ð have made their way into DYK before. For the record, I am comfortable with adjusting it if at the end of the day it is in violation of DYK guidelines, but I thought it might be good to have my thoughts on the matter before jumping the gun. I do hope that there isn't a double standard for some non-standard characters from certain languages over others. Ornithoptera (talk) 00:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @Ornithoptera: this interesting article, created on the 23 September, is new enough, long enough, well-cited, and presentable. QPQ done. Hook short enough and cited. Nice work. My only gripe is that the "Tradition" section doesnt make totally clear the distinction between legend and real history (this is also true, to some extent, of the hook) as per MOS:WAF. I'll also suggest the following ALT, as this seems to be the headline of the story:
ALT1 ... that the identity of the sacred plant məθkʷəy̓ is unknown?
Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 23:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello Tenpop421, thank you for taking the time to review this article. I have always been wary about using the term "legend" within articles that discuss Indigenous oral traditions. Members of Indigenous communities have been typically cautious of outsiders using terminology that implicates their oral traditions and histories as simply mythological (for various reasons). Corrina Sparrow in her Reclaiming Spaces Between: Coast Salish Two Spirit Identities and Experiences explicitly states: "I will mention; however, that this story is not told as a myth or a legend; it captures an actual encounter with sʔi:łqəy̓ that happened thousands of years ago." I'm wondering if we can preface the original hook with "according to Musqueam oral tradition" instead? If that is not an adequate compromise, I'm amenable to the alternative hook you have provided. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Ornithoptera: That's a fair point. I have made some edits so that it is flagged in each line that we are referencing oral tradition (rather than, say, contemporary observation). I also removed two sentences from the article - one about a story told about xʷməθkʷəy̓əm and Mink, which Suttles cites to the Charleses, but wld probably require too much context for it to make sentence in the article; another about the Musqueam relating to the plant, which seems to me to be a duplicate of something already mentioned above. Also, in the first hook, I've replaced "because" with "because oral tradition held that", for the same reasons of flagging oral tradition (this, with all respect to Sparrow, is surely myth). Let me know if this is all good with you. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 15:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tenpop421 thank you for the adjustments, everything should check out here on my end. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, good to go. Tenpop421 (talk) 11:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ornithoptera, BlueMoonset, Tenpop421, Narutolovehinata5, Crisco 1492, Fram, AirshipJungleman29, and Jlwoodwa: per issues raised at WP:ERRORS (permalink here: [1]) this has been pulled for further consideration. There are issues around transliteration and accessibility.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Tenpop421, it is unfortunate that this nomination has been quite a challenge but I understand the challenges involved. I have given it some thought, and my struggle is that there is no "standard transliteration" because English is not phonetically consistent like the Americanist Phonetic Notation system is, nor would there be a need to transliterate a phonetic system because the intention is that the phonetics give way to a 1-1 character to sound pair. Thus there is no uniform "this symbol equals this sound" because as you know, plenty of letters in English have alternative pronunciations (see the a's in "Australia" for a good example). I used "Muthkwey" primarily because Wayne Suttles used it in his Musqueam Reference Grammar, and because of the fact Wiki did not allow for the characters to be inputted into the article title. However, the typical usage in secondary sources is typically the "untransliterated" version, and there is no usage I can really WP:COMMONNAME to apply it to. The most ideal one is probably Suttles' transliteration because of his work with the Musqueam, but again this isn't universally adopted over məθkʷəy̓. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:22, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ornithoptera: Yeah, I agree, transliteration seems to be a bit of a pain here. The secondary sources all seem to prefer keeping the American Phonetic Notation, and asking for a transliteration seems rather like asking for a transliteration of the IPA. I think the point raised by the other editors is that we need a transliteration of all the Americanist Phonetic Notation words in this article (xʷməθkʷəy̓əm, mə́cəkʷ, sə̀k̓ʷməy̓, cəlqáma, etc.) per MOS:NOTLATIN. If there's some standard transliteration, we can apply it uniformly; if there isn't, I'm not sure how to proceed (maybe just finding individual transliterations of each word?). Let me know. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 22:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Truthfully speaking, this is a very frustrating situation to be held up in. Any transliteration that would be produced here exclusively would probably be a violation of WP:OR, there is just no existing "transliteration" of Americanist Phonetic Notation that exists out there for the reasons mentioned previously. Anything that would be produced here would be without any research or logic applied to it, and I would assume just wind up being original research. Americanist Phonetic Notation, per its own article, *is* Latin, albeit augmented with Greek. Could we insert a lang template, a lot of the words are isolated instances, as a possible solution? The pre-existing English renderings are few and far between, and there is not a strong demand for individual words rather than names, such as sən̓aʔqʷ as Senakw or x̌ʷay̓x̌ʷəy̓ as X̱wáýx̱way. Though in the latter example the name was not as altered for the purposes of that article. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ornithoptera: I am inclined to agree with your position here. I haven't been able to turn up anything like a transliteration and the secondary sources (including ones intended for a popular audience!) do not transliterate. However, your average Wikipedia reader probably just can't make sense of a lot of the symbols in Americanist Phonetic Notation, so this does pose a problem for accessibility. I confess that I don't know how to deal with this problem. It seems beyond the scope of a DYK nom. Perhaps a request for comment at WT:MOS may be a better forum? I apologise that this has proved to be a source of frustration. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 03:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you are able to do so Tenpop421, or another individual involved in this process could make a comment, it would be greatly appreciated. I don't have much time on hand to make another discussion and follow up on a timely manner. In terms of accessibility, a lot of the instances are simply examples, "cəlqáma" is a good one, where the context at the end of the day is simply "this word is different from this other word, because the root word is different". Viewing it, even though it is entirely made up of Latin characters (the upside down e is a schwa, a Latin letter!), is not necessary at the end of the day. However, without it would remove a huge chunk of the context, but if it doesn't view correctly, that should be fine regardless. Another example could be found in the Salishan languages article such as such as ʔux̌ʷ 'goes' and sbiaw 'is a coyote'. There is no transliteration involved, but it is an example of a word that does not necessitate transliteration since it is simply an example with added context. A good chunk of the words involved in the Muthkwey article are provided with enough context that even if the words don't display, they are provided with (in my view) enough context regardless. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sorry I haven't followed up on this; I've been very busy in my personal life, and I was hoping someone else might intervene with any insight. Absent any consensus about the use of APN or easy way to transliterate it, I want to put my vote in that this DYK go ahead with the ALT
ALT2: ... that muthkwey was not harvested or walked over, because oral tradition held that it had grown from the droppings of a two-headed serpent?
Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 20:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 24

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Expandable card game

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Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 519 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • I think there is an issue with the article, which is that going by the most of the sources in the article and the hook source, the WP:COMMONTERM appears to be "living card game", and therefore that should be the title of the article and the boldlink. For related reasons I think ALT1 is actually the more interesting hook, though it would benefit from rephrasing to make it punchier. I'm keen to hear other opinions. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 23:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Cloventt and Z1720: This has been discussed a bit by card game editors, I also pinged them at Talk:Expandable_card_game#Not_much_on_this. It is not clear what is common term, and while LCG is a common term, as explained in the article, it is trademarked by one company, and could be considered not neutral - prioritizing that one company over others. I'd be happy to see this discussed on talk, but nobody seems to care, and I don't feel like deciding by myself to use a term specific to one company over what appears to be a perfectly fine and more neutral (not trademarked) term. As for the "punchier" wording, feel free to suggest an ALT1a and I can "adopt" it if it seems ok to me, so you could accept it... otherwise I am sorry, I don't know what your idea of "punchier" is. PS. Please WP:ECHO me when replying, if my response is needed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus and Cloventt: What else needs to be done here?--Launchballer 14:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: I already replied extensively, with a ping. Maybe a new reviewer is needed? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Doing....Two preliminary comments, though:
  1. I'm fine with "Expandable card game" as the article title.
    • The WP:COMMONTERM is debatable, and since "Living card game" is a copyrighted term, we should not underestimate our influence as most cited reference work on the planet. I'm quite sure Wikipedia has more readers than Fantasy Flight Games has players, and if we title our article that way, we will be putting our thumb on the scales in making it a generic trademark in a big way, which will be doing nontrivial and active harm to them. As long as it is debatable, we should not do that.
    • Also, "Expandable" is simply more descriptive. "Living" could mean any number of things (I've heard Legacy games described as "living"), "expandable" is much more clear.
  2. However, I am troubled by the first line of the article, and its definition/scope. "card games where each player has their own deck of cards." How does that not apply to any number of games that don't use a shared deck, for example Dominion (card game)? That has expansion sets too. How about changing "has" to "owns"? Maybe "brings"? Something to indicate that the deck is prebuilt, not built during the game like Dominion. And merge in the "expandable" part into the definition sentence, that is, after all, the important part here.

Full review to come. --GRuban (talk) 21:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: No - No, sorry. I marked one quote failed verification. The line about "but the term "Non-Collectible Collectible Card Game" would not be practical." is not marked as a quote, but does not seem to be in that source either. Important bits of the article are sourced to Chaz Marler who seems to be the sole writer and publisher for Pair of Dice Paradise (well, with his very, very young daughter), which means it's a self-published source, so you need to show he is an acknowledged expert in the field in some way. We don't have an article about him, and he's not used as a source in any other Wikipedia articles - can you show he's an acknowledge expert, and not just a guy with a blog? I guess I'll grudgingly accept Roger Travis/Play the Past, since it boasts a large stable of people with PhDs ... but honestly, those PhDs are in various liberal arts fields, which are not quite in games, so even that one is marginal. In any case I recommend writing something like "games historian Roger Travis" at first use to at least explain something about why he is to be considered a reliable source.
  • Neutral: No - Not really. You mention Fantasy Flight Games as the sole publisher, and while I'm sure they're important, leaving out all the others is not neutral, even if they are by far the most important. That's sort of like writing about electric cars and only naming Tesla, or writing about search engines and only naming Google.
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Yes

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - no, again. ALT1 is cited, but only to Marler. The original hook is backed by Play the Past, which I grudgingly accept as above, but that article doesn't say that about all or most ECGs in general, just about two or three of them specifically.
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: As above, "ECGs are card games where each player has their own deck of cards.", which I see both in the lede and in Characteristics, is not really an accurate definition, because it leaves out the "expandable" part. (Jerry Seinfeld had a line about that. ) All this is hopefully fixable. Good luck! GRuban (talk) 05:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Just noting that this is two months old so technically qualifies for WP:DYKTIMEOUT; it doesn't feel fair to do that given that this has only just gotten a full review, but this should be dealt with urgently.--Launchballer 18:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GRuban and GRuban: I've corrected the 'failed verification' quote - the source says "a game that breaks away", I shortened it to "breaking away" but sure, we can use the original wording. For showing that Chez Marler is more than just a guy who runs some random blog, see [2] - he is a professional in the field, involved with the leading website BoardGameGeek. He was also involved with another major media in the field, The Dice Tower [3], and Watch it Played (covered for several paragaphs by SaltWire Network [4]). So I think he passes as an expert in the field (non-academic but professional and respected by his peers). I've also added the word 'customizable' to the lead (as to not repeat 'expandable'). I hope this addresses your concerns I'd also like to note that the level of concerns raised above, while appreciated, seems to be more at the WP:GAR level than what I'd expect from a WP:DYK. PS. I've also added a ref mentioned of another company and a non-FFG game. Note this article is not intended to be comprehensive, since this is not a GA/FA level writeup. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Culinary Class Wars

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Senior judge Paik Jong-won is a celebrity chef in Korea.
Senior judge Paik Jong-won is a celebrity chef in Korea.
  • ALT1 ... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars suffered from over-eating but judge Paik Jong-won (pictured) still ate his packed lunch too?
  • ALT2 ... that the dishes in the Culinary Class Wars were discarded after judging to prevent others from tasting them and disagreeing with the judges? (pictured)
    • Created by Andrew Davidson (talk) and Windershaker (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 131 past nominations.

    Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • At the time of nomination the article was exactly 7 days old (which fits I guess), and the length seems to fit standard. There are some good English sources and a lot of Korean coverage, so I don't doubt that this is notable. Earwig says no copyvios, but the article is a bit messy. (Why does the "endless cooking hell" section have nothing in it, for one?) Most importantly, the hook is also little bit vague, and I don't think it would capture much attention. Good day, Wuju Daisuki (Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!) 17:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    * @Z1720: The article looks in better shape now, but the alt you provided is not well written, nor would it be very interesting if it was. Good day, Wuju Daisuki (Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!) 02:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Z1720: Thanks to Z1720 for taking an interest. I'm not understanding Wuju Daisuki's objections to the ALT1 hook, which seems fine to me. Maybe we just have different tastes. To help avoid an impasse and establish a consensus, please could Z1720 say what they think of the hooks? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Andrew Davidson: My opinion is that I am confused by ALT1 because I do not know who Paik Jong-won is. After looking at the image caption and clicking on Jong-won's link I was able to piece together that he is a judge, but it takes too long for me to understand the hook. I like ALT0 more because it is succinct and understandable. If the image is going to be used, it needs to be included in the article. Z1720 (talk) 11:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Straight away you'll need a better source for ALT2 per WP:FORBESCON. I'll assess the rest of this when I'm less sleepy.--Launchballer 22:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, so ALT2 is currently unusable per above, but ALT1 is unencyclopedic and has been cut from the article and ALT0 would require an end-of-sentence citation. Also, as written this would deserve {{overly detailed}} and much of this needs to go.--Launchballer 12:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Andrew Davidson, Windershaker, and Wuju Daisuki: Apologies, thought I'd pinged.--Launchballer 14:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Andrew Davidson and Windershaker: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on September 27

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    Slop (artificial intelligence)

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    “Shrimp Jesus” is a commonly cited example of AI slop
    “Shrimp Jesus” is a commonly cited example of AI slop
    • ... that slop emerged in 2024 over “pollution”, “garbage” and “dross” as the preferred term to describe low-quality AI-generated material?
    • Reviewed: N/a
    • Comment: First own DYK nomination. I like this one because a lot of people contributed (images, categorizations). Feels very fresh.
    Created by Jenny8lee (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Jenny8lee (talk) 20:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    Image eligibility:

    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Welcome to DYK Jenny8lee, I hope you have a wonderful time here, and I hope I can help facilitate your entry the best I can! Created and nominated within a week, long enough, sourced and neutral. QPQ not required because of the nominator being below 5 nominations. I have some questions regarding the hook, since the original article's wording was as such:
    "One increasingly intuitive answer is “garbage.” The neuroscientist Erik Hoel has called it “A.I. pollution,” and the physicist Anthony Aguirre “something like noise” and “A.I.-generated dross.”"
    It seems like these terms were used by one or two people, rather than being in use beyond those individuals quoted within the article. I believe it might be a good idea to re-word the hook(something along the lines of "AI slop has been referred to as "garbage", "pollution", and "dross"), or find something else altogether. The quotes within the lead of the article should be attributed to their sources as well. In addition, I'm not entirely sure whether the AI generated image is free (regarding the copyright of a derivative work, this is a fairly new policy as well). I'm going to ping @Theleekycauldron: to see what they think regarding the matter. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • ALT1 that thousands of people showed up in Dublin, Ireland for a non-existent Halloween parade due to an article on an AI-produced website in what became a viral example of AI slop in the physical world.

    Source 1: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dublin-fake-halloween-parade-ireland-ai-advert-b2639505.html Source 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/24/opinion/ai-annoying-future.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenny8lee (talk • contribs)

    Per WP:DYKTRIM, I suggest ALT1a: ... that a viral example of slop prompted thousands of people to visit Dublin for a non-existent Halloween parade?--Launchballer 13:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jenny8lee and Theleekycauldron: Went to tick off ALT1a (since it's a derivative of Jenny's ALT1 with no additional information); however, I noticed that only one of the references actually uses the word 'slop'. And having read the article, the vast majority of this shouldn't be in this article. Most of this deserves to be in the artificial intelligence art article.--Launchballer 14:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jenny8lee: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 3

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    Light Weight Air Warning Radar

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    LW/AW Mark 1A
    LW/AW Mark 1A
    • ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that fit in the Douglas DC-2, were taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and in one case manpacked up 200 foot cliffs? Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect and DC-2, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs
    Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 201 past nominations.

    Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: No - ?
    • Interesting: No - ?
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

    QPQ: No - ?
    Overall: Article was created on October 3, and nominated the same day. Length and sourcing are adequate. I am stil reviewing the article for neutrality, and have no yet decided. I found no plagiarism concerns. I note that this Earwig result highlights proper nouns and a properly attributed quote. The original hook was far too long. ALT1 is not hooky as per my above comment. The nominated image is clear at a low resolution, and used in the aticle. Depending on a reworded hook, it may or may not improve the hook. I also note that File:Mark 1A Light Weight Air Warning Radar. 6091121.jpg has already appeared in the picture slot of DYK on Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2018/November#9_November_2018. The QPQ requirement is insufficient since it only commented on eligibility, and was not a full review of all DYK criteria as per WP:DYKRR. Please provide a complete review for QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 15:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Flibirigit: Let me know when you have decided. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fort clarity, I do not expect any neutrality issues but I have not completely read the article. I shold have that completed by tomorrow. My primary concerns are the hook and QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 19:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I did some minor copyediting, and no neutrality concerns noted. Please see above comments for the hooks and QPQ. Thanks for this nomination! Flibirigit (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Maury Markowitz: Are the above concerns resolved, as is this ready for re-review? Z1720 (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, it's not ready. No hooks have been proposed, and no valid QPQ has been supplied. I will continue my review when those are ready. Flibirigit (talk) 17:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT2 ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar system was developed as a portable system to be quickly delivered to forward airfields? A possible hook; if you like it, Maury Markowitz (talk) or someone else would need to check and cite the sources (probably Minnett, but I can't access it to do this). Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The new hook looks promising. We still need a valid QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have done another QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/Oh My Mother!. Strongly prefer ALT1, and I'm at a loss why someone might not read an article because the hook is too interesting. I am dealing with my parent's wills for the next little while, so if immediate attention is needed, just close the nom. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT1 has been struck because it is too long. Flibirigit (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT2 is the best hook of those proposed. But where exactly is it cited? It seems to be a summary of several sentences throughout the article. Each of which would need a citation at the end as per WP:DYKCRIT. I remain open to other hooks being proposed. Flibirigit (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 5

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    Hermance Edan

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    • Source: French Patent office, Brevet n° 396.795
    • ALT1: ... that little is known of Hermance Edan before she patented her first board game in 1908, at the age of 57? Source: French Patent office, Brevet n° 396.795
    • ALT2: ... that L'Attaque, the board game that became Stratego, was patented in 1908 by its designer, a 57-year-old woman? Source: French Patent office, Brevet n° 396.795 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farrest (talk • contribs) 05:06, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: I translated this article from the French, so the references in the article may need some work, but Edan's age at the time of her patent seems well-attested. Thanks for your consideration!
    Created by Farrest (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Farrest (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    How about this reworking?

    • ALT0a: ... that Hermance Edan designed the board game that would become Stratego without any professional game development experience?

    theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • Hmm, your version flows better as a sentence than my original ALT0, but what interested and inspired me when I came across the French article was Edan's gender and her age when she designed the game (especially given the time), so I think it would be more compelling if those facts were included in the hook... what do you think of ALT2, or something like it? Farrest (talk) 04:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      My preference would be for ALT2 or ALT. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Needs a new reviewer for the ALTs. Z1720 (talk) 13:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 6

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    ZIZ

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    • Source: Daniel, Morven I. Alecia (2001-04-12). American Neocolonialism? The Impact of United States Cable Television on the Culture of St. Kitts (Thesis). Carleton University/National Library of Canada. pp. 71–72. ISBN 0-612-61320-8. Retrieved 2024-10-08 – via Library and Archives Canada.
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Typhoon Virginia (1957)
    • Comment: It all started last weekend when I Googled up "Caribbean broadcasting call signs" while browsing results for various regional TV stations on a whim. A GBooks result offered a tidbit on an entity called VP2LO, a shortwave outlet that in the years ahead evolved into the Kittitian national broadcaster--a topic I broke ground on back in my early days on WP. (I was lucky to save it from A7 during its December 2007 launch--barely.) Face it, WP is still in dire need of better and more extensive coverage on Caribbean media.
    Apologies if I used a thesis here, but regrettably, it's the only source mentioning this factoid--anywhere--as far as Google's aware (WP:AGF). Meanwhile, as I type, Doc Taxon at WP:RX has been taking care of the last three bits we need to get this finished.
    First of two DYK candidates of mine before Milton approaches my home area; see you in another couple of hours with the next one.
    P.S. Wonder if there are any established editors from Saint Kitts and Nevis itself? (I myself hail from Dominica.)
    P.P.S. As always, special greetings to Barbados' CaribDigita (talk · contribs) and Trinidad's Guettarda (talk · contribs)--along with SafariScribe (talk · contribs), who approved one of my recent go-rounds at AFC, The Right and the Wrong.
    5x expanded by Slgrandson (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

    Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Slgrandson: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT2: ... that Saint Kitts and Nevis' political opposition has viewed national broadcaster ZIZ as a government mouthpiece? Source: Veenendaal, Wouter (2015) [17 October 2014]. "The Federation of St. Kitts and Nevis: politics or politricks?". Politics and Democracy in Microstates. Routledge. p. pos. 148. ISBN 978-1-317-64657-0. Archived from the original on 5 October 2024. Retrieved 2024-11-22 – via Google Books. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Celie Ellis Turner

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    • ... that despite the classical music education her wealthy family had her study, Celie Ellis Turner chose to join comic opera and farce theatre over her parents' objections?
    • Source: * "Miss Ellis is a graduate of the Villa Maria Convent of Montreal, Canada, and received her musical education under Mme. Kartel, taking a post graduate course at the Metropolitan College of Music in New York." - Celie Ellis, The Sentinel
    • "She comes from one of the best families in New York, her father having been a Congressman from that State and her mother a near relative of ex-Gov. Seymour. Her family objected strongly to her going on the stage..." - At The Gardens, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
    • "Miss Celie Ellis, who has been prominent in comic opera and farce comedy for a number of years..." - Dramatic, Minneapolis Daily Times
  • ALT1: ... that despite her classical music education and her family's objections to her becoming a stage actress, Celie Ellis Turner chose to join the theatre to perform comic opera and farce?
  • ALT2: ... that Celie Ellis Turner became a stage actress against her family's wishes, preforming comic opera and farce?
    • Created by Silver seren (talk) and FloridaArmy (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 131 past nominations.

    SilverserenC 19:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Theleekycauldron, BeanieFan11, Silver seren, Fram, and Secretlondon: this nom has been reopened for further thought, following issues raised at WP:ERRORS (peramlink: [5]) about the hook / article integrity (article talks about an argument over theatre acting, not over comic opera specifically) and also a thought that linking the classical music education to the argument with the family with the word despite isn't supported by sourcing. Suggest a rework to make this more robust.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I made corrections to the article along those lines, but then forgot to go back and update the hook. that one's on me! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her)
    Amakuru, this is, honestly, nonsense. Comic opera and farce is the type of theatre acting and performances she went into. They objected to her doing theatre acting and she did anyways, becoming a star in comic opera and farce theatre. Where is the contradiction? SilverserenC 00:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As noted, there are two issues that I can see with this. Firstly, the "despite" seems to be misplaced - comic opera is a form of classical music, so it's not like her musical education went to waste while she pursued something totally different. You're inserting a link between those things that isn't sourced. And secondly, the article text and the source specifically say it was stage acting specifically that the family objected to. That might have a logical corrollary that they wouldn't approve of comic opera and farce, but the DYK rules require accuracy in this matter. The hook, article and source must match in what they say, not require logical leaps. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 00:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Amakuru, is that ALT better since I've minorly rearranged things? SilverserenC 00:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Re-review of ALT requested. SilverserenC 00:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If you are ok with it, @Silver seren:, I would approve an ALT1b: ... that Celie Ellis Turner became a stage actress against her family's wishes, preforming comic opera and farce? There is nothing interesting about classically educated and being a comic opera actress, since comic opera is a type of classical music, and in fact the Sentinel article that is used to source her education seems to mention it to bolster her credentials. As such, the fact shouldn't be in the hook. Capish? Mach61 01:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure, I've added that as ALT2. SilverserenC 01:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Silver seren: I hate to renege on what I said a few minutes ago, I really do, but I don't think I can approve this article. All the sources used in the body of the article (1-13, 14-30 just cite the plays she was in) are from over a century ago, and all but one specifically from the years 1885-1900, and all from WP:NEWSPRIMARY sources. I thought it would be easy, based on the volume of contemporary coverage she recieved, to find one book or article on historical theater from after her death mentioning her, but there really doesn't appear to be anything like that. Seeing as I'm not certain she's notable I don't think I can approve this article. Again, very sorry Mach61 02:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm really confused on your understanding of notability. There is no requirement whatsoever that there be modern coverage of an article. If that was the case, we'd end up eventually deleting almost all biography articles because coverage of them would eventually stop. And that's also not how NEWSPRIMARY works. Sources like this are significant coverage of the subject and her history. The play that is happening at the time would make the article a primary source on that if it was just mentioning that happening, but the article is about Turner, the main person who will be performing in that play and her history. Turner is not an event. SilverserenC 02:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Silver seren: some responses
    • There is no requirement whatsoever that there be modern coverage of an article. If that was the case, we'd end up eventually deleting almost all biography articles because coverage of them would eventually stop My concern isn't that there aren't sources some arbitrary number of years close to the present day, which would lead to the problem you describe, but rather that there aren't sources distanced from the timeframe where she was actively preforming (to the point where we her date of death isn't even stated). An obituary from the 1940s, or a mention in a journal of theater studies from that same time, would both suffice on that front. If I saw evidence such sources existed at all, I would be fine approving the article and adding {{refideas}} to talk, but they don't appear to.
    • And that's also not how NEWSPRIMARY works. Sources like this are significant coverage of the subject and her history. You're right, I should not have said all the sources were primary. I guess that I turned to that essay as a poor surrogate for explaing my concerns about an article based almost entirely on late 19th-century newspaper clippings, which are that
      1. Newspapers that far back were just a lot worse at fact-checking and had lower standards compared to now, in a much more significant way then newspapers of, say, the 1970s (hell, some people might argue that newspapers were better in the 70s comparted to today because the internet and corporate consolidation hadn't hollowed them out)
      2. Such an article can't place its subject in its proper historical context, particularly when it comes to the end of the subject's period of covered activity, so the end of the article will just be whatever random thing the last clipping talks about and their fate from then on is totally unknown.
    These aren't really issues that can be cited to a part of the notability or DYK guidelines specifically, but more fundamental value concerns with what I think is necessary for a good encyclopedia article. The ideal way to test if I actually have a point in holding up the nomination over this would be to start an AfD, but that would probably force WP:DYKTIMEOUT which isn't fair, so I'll bow out and ask for another reviewer on WT:DYK Mach61 05:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    . Going to sleep right after this, if you want a response from me don't expect it for another several hours Mach61 05:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mach61: Applying WP:DYKTIMEOUT is a matter of editorial discretion, so it's never really "forced". jlwoodwa (talk) 01:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jlwoodwa: It isn't, but there's no way to ensure a reviewer won't invoke it. May as well avoid the risk (and it's not as if every possibly non-notable article needs to be AfD'd immediately). Mach61 01:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    LaTasha Barnes

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    • ... that one of the most popular places to learn swing dance and lindy hop is in Malmo, Sweden?
      • Reviewed:
    Created by Wroliver (talk).


    Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Wroliver (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hi Wroliver, the article says onyl that the "Herrang Dance Camp is one of the most popular places in Europe to learn swing dance and Lindy Hop" and is sourced to its Wikipedia article. This wouldn't be acceptable and would need an independent source. Additionally it doesn't seem to have much to do with the subject of the article LaTasha Barnes, a hook focussing on her would be preferred. Finally, the article has been tagged for promotional tone and unclear citations that needs resolving before it can be posted - Dumelow (talk) 09:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Wroliver, just a reminder on this. If I don't hear back in the next couple of days I will close the nomination as unsuccessful. All the best - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd propose ALT1: ... that jazz dancer LaTasha Barnes used to be a sergeant in the U.S. Army? Sdkb talk 05:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Marking for closure as article continues to have significant citation issues. It has also been tagged for promotional content - Dumelow (talk) 08:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wroliver has requested to keep this open for another day or so. There is significant work to be done here to address the tags on the article though - Dumelow (talk) 22:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Alt DYK proposed for LaTasha Barnes article: DYK that dancer/choreographer LaTasha Barnes began her career as a sergeant in the U.S. Army? [1]

    Note: I have made some revisions to the article to address concerns mentioned, including removing the Wikipedia reference and replacing it with a better reference. I've attempted to keep a neutral tone throughout, and changed some of the language for that purpose. Please let me know if any other changes are needed.Wroliver (talk) 21:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTasha_Barnes[reply]

    Hi Wroliver, thanks for getting back to me. I have been through "Early years" and "Performing career" and noted a few bits that are not supported by the sources cited. Can you look to resolve these and any other similar parts of the article before I continue the review - Dumelow (talk) 10:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've also tagged a sentence copied verbatim from the cited source. Please address this and also any other similar instances, we cannot violate copyright in this way - Dumelow (talk) 10:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Wroliver, further to your message on my talk page I have looked at the next section "Cultural Ambassador and Educator". Again it is full of statements not supported by the source cited or where better sources are needed. Can you please address these and look at the remaining two sections to check for similar issues. It is very frustrating to have to go through this article line by line. It is basic policy here that anything stated in the article should be supported by the source - Dumelow (talk) 08:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Wroliver: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see my comments have been addressed for the "Cultural Ambassador and Educator". Can you please confirm you have checked the final two sections of the article for similar issues (including that everything stated is backed up by the source cited) ; it is very frustrating to go through it line by line to find the same issue repeated - Dumelow (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi @Wroliver:, further to your message on my talk page saying you have checked the last two paragraphs I have started to take a look. The first sentence I checked was "All of her experiences as a performer as well as her academic work for her thesis have served as important precursors to her current show, The Jazz Continuum, an "ongoing project to close the gap between contemporary Black dances and their predecessors."" This includes some specific claims and a direct quote, but nothing to support it appears in the source cited which is just a list of the "top 5" shows on the stage at a given time. It is fairly basic stuff to make sure that everything stated in the article is supported by the work cited. I am not going to waste time checking the rest of the article. Please carefully review it and check that everything is supported properly - Dumelow (talk) 11:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Wroliver:, scratch that. It was a error with the url in the ref cited that was redirecting it to a different article. I'll look over it now - Dumelow (talk) 11:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Wroliver:. I've flagged a citation needed for her bachelors degrees, for her 2021 Bessie award and a better source needed for the stuff cited to Broadway World (which is listed at WP:RSP as "generally unreliable"). Other than that should be OK - Dumelow (talk) 12:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Wroliver: has made changes to the sources and ALT1 should be good to go. I don't have an NYT subscription so AGF on sourcing, I amended the hook slightly to say "used to be a sergeant" rather than "began her career as a sergeant" as that could be interpreted as her having skipped the more junior ranks - Dumelow (talk) 16:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Wroliver, I'm going to respond here so that the discussion remains centralized. I have concern that some of the language is a bit overly promotional, such as "Barnes began a collaboration with Caleb Teicher & Friends, which eventually resulted in the 2021 show "Swing Out," currently touring the U.S." (cited to a primary source), "While Barnes continues to perform with many different people in a variety of venues, she is also an educator who explains the key role of African Americans in developing African diasporic dance forms including hip hop, swing dance, and jazz dance." and "Barnes has taken on some of the responsibility for keeping the history of vernacular Black dance forms alive," (phrasing is fluffy, rather promotional). The tone overall seems very informal, rather than the formal tone preferred for Wikipedia.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello Chris, I believe that I've fixed the problems you noted yesterday, but let me know if not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTasha_Barnes Thanks very much, Wroliver (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dear AirshipJungleman29, I would appreciate knowing more about this DYK process, since this is my first time doing an article and doing DYK. How many folks need to give approval to the article before it moves ahead? I've already made changes requested by 2 people. It would help me make a decision about whether to keep working on this or not to know how many more times I will need to respond to feedback. Thanks very much, 192.65.213.200 (talk) 15:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Assuming that this is Wroliver editing while logged-out, every nomination needs at least two approvals from the nominator and promoter; if a nomination has problems, more approvals might be needed. In this case, Dumelow was the reviewer, then Chris came along to promote this but found problems, and then I came along to promote it but found problems. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the clarification. I have a question: is it considered "promotional" when I present positive statements by dance reviewers? It is their job to give an opinion, and also describe the nature of a dance or performance. I'd like to be able to convey their ideas in the article if possible, since these types of reviews are the part of the evidence that artists deserve the awards and honors that they have received. In addition, these descriptions give readers an idea of what the work looks like, which is an important element in learning about different dance companies, choreographers, and styles. Thanks, Wroliver (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In short, concise descriptions or quotations are okay, but lengthy effusive quotations are not, and are potentially a copyright violation as well. The Parker and Burke paragraphs in "The Jazz Continuum" are especially problematic. This is not a DYK criterion, but a Wikipedia policy—that of neutrality. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    OK, thanks for the clarification. I will work on it today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wroliver (talk • contribs) 18:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello AirshipJungleman29, I hope I've addressed all your concerns within the article. I've removed some quotations and shortened others, and tried to keep everything neutral. Please let me know if there are any further changes needed. Thanks, Wroliver (talk) 02:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 8

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    Diane Leather

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    • ... that Diane Leather was the first woman to run a mile in under five minutes?
    5x expanded by Oldelpaso (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Oldelpaso (talk) 22:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Can we do better than this? If any woman has run the mile in under 5 minutes, someone had to be the first, and the hook doesn't provide any more information. (t · c) buidhe 23:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you saying a world record isn't notable and/or hook worthy? Or are you asking for more context such as a link to Mile run world record progression? I was trying to keep the hook as succinct as possible. Oldelpaso (talk) 02:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Another issue is that the hook proposed is a "first" hook, which per WP:DYKHOOK usually needs exceptionally strong sourcing given the exceptional claim involved (how are we sure that no other woman before Leather ran a mile in under five minutes?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article includes cites describing her in those terms from the World Athletics website (the organisation that ratifies world records in the discipline, formerly known as the IAAF)[6], the BBC [7], Guardian [8], NYT [9], Washington Post [10] and others. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I could work in some reference to Roger Bannister in the hook, as his far more well-known first sub-four minute mile occurred the same month and thus they are frequently compared, but I'd rather not. It was how overlooked Leather's achievement was compared to the male equivalent that prompted me to expand the article in the first place! Oldelpaso (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A bit of a late comment, but ALT1 is probably a lot better because it's not a "first" hook and is thus more likely to be accurate. Plus it's also arguably more intriguing than a simple "first" hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 9

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    Musa al-Gharbi

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    • ... that Musa al-Gharbi has argued since the 2016 election of Donald Trump that media outlets including The New York Times opinion page and MSNBC have failed to understand his supporters?
    • Source: "For the past four years, Al-Gharbi tried to tell anyone who would listen that Trump supporters did not in fact fit the sociological profile offered on The New York Times opinion page or on MSNBC’s nightly pearl-clutching roundtables." Tablet
    Created by Thriley (talk) and Oganguly (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 148 past nominations.

    Thriley (talk) 07:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Regards, Aafi (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Although all checks are okay, I am not happy with how the proposed hook is worded? 183 characters is quite close to 200. Could you please suggest a few more hooks? Regards, Aafi (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Thriley: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Aafi: is there something wrong with the hook aside from its length? Thriley (talk) 17:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    At a glance, I'd lose "including The New York Times opinion page and MSNBC" and "since the 2016 election of Donald Trump" for concision, obviously replacing "his" with "Donald Trump's". (I wouldn't wikilink "his supporters" per MOS:EGG.)--Launchballer 21:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 11

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    Aaj Ki Raat (2024 song)

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    Created by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

    KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 13

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    Elin Falk

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    Elin Falk
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    • ... that Elin Falk revolutionised the teaching of gymnastics in Swedish schools in the early twentieth century?
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    Created by MumphingSquirrel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    MumphingSquirrel (talk) 21:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: No - discuss, please offer an ALT or two
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Great to see this article. I have questions about the choice and use of some sources. I think these can all be corrected, and some discussion may be beneficial. ProfGray (talk) 19:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • Hook: "revolutionised" seems laudatory and afaik that word is not in the source; "reform" is used and seems more NPOV. Would help to have a hook that says something about the reforms, such as from a military to a more playful style. Or about how the reforms were met with anger and condemnation.
    • Posture not mentioned in source cited, but perhaps "correcting body position" is meant?
    • Primary sources are at current footnotes #1, #4. And #7 is by the subject herself. #2 unclear. Second opinion would be helpful here.
    • Source #5 links to a WP article IINM, seems to need correction.
    • It'd be helpful to find more independent sources about her.
    • Overly praising POV includes: "Like so many innovative thinkers, Falk met opposition in her lifetime, with full recognition and appreciation," "Newspapers became involved, publishing condemnation of the exercises without having read about them, let alone tried them" (i.e., critical of her critics), praising: "was as critical of herself as of others, jetisoning any of her ideas which did not work as she had hoped," ProfGray (talk) 20:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MumphingSquirrel: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi, I've been gradually working through the points above, editied the text and linked #5 to where it should have gone. Added a number of academic references. Alternative hook below. Let me know if you think anything further needs to be done. Thanks for helful pointers. ALT1: ... that Elin Falk caused a national controversy in 1913 with her suggestions for reforming how gymnastics was taught in Swedish schools? MumphingSquirrel (talk) 18:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Gutidara

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    Created by FaysaLBinDaruL (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

    I have already completed 2 QPQs (1, 2). FaysaLBinDaruL (talk) 18:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Chen Qiyou

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    • ... that Chen Qiyou, a would-be assassin, later became part of the Chinese Committee for World Peace?
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 688 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    1957 Manipur Territorial Council election

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    • Source: V. Venkata Rao. A Century of Government and Politics in North East India, 1874-1980: Manipur. S. Chand, 1991. pp. 92-93, 194
    Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 404 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Anastasia Somoza

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    Created by Innisfree987 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 40 past nominations.

    Innisfree987 (talk) 09:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Nazi crimes against children

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    Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 530 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 15

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    Common fixed point problem

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    • Source: "The purpose of this paper is to answer Dyer's question in the negative by the construction of a pair of commuting functions which have no fixed point in common. [...] This paper is a condensation of the author's 1967 doctoral dissertation", from a paper by Boyce . "It has been conjectured that any two continuous functions f, g mapping the closed unit interval into itself which commute under composition [...] must have a common fixed point [...] Chapter 2 defines a pair of functions which show that the conjecture is false", from Huneke's 1967 PhD dissertation.
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: If the reviewer doesn't have ProQuest access, I can provide a copy of Huneke's dissertation over email.
    Created by WillisBlackburn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    jlwoodwa (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Starting review...
    • Article is new enough and long enough
    • Sources all appear to be WP:RS and for the most part, adequately cited with in-line citations. There are however two {{citation needed}} tags which need to be addressed.
    • Earwig calls out a few phrases here and there but they all look like technical terms which can't be rephrased, so no problems there.
    • Extra brownie points for taking an exceptionally technical article and writing a hook which will appeal to most readers. RoySmith (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Jlwoodwa: just want to make sure you saw this. RoySmith (talk) 01:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @RoySmith: Thanks for the ping. I've removed the first statement tagged with {{citation needed}} (since WillisBlackburn said on the talk page that it turned out to be false), and added a citation for the other statement. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Looking at this closer, I see that there's still some statements that need citations. I've added some more {{citation needed}} tags. My apologies for not picking up on this the first time. RoySmith (talk) 02:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jlwoodwa: please see the above. RoySmith (talk) 14:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Bliss (photograph)

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    Improved to Good Article status by Vacant0 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

    Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Bliss is still copyrighted right? DYK doesn't allow fair-use pictures to be used on the Main Page unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it is copyrighted and owned by Microsoft. It would be cool to include the photograph but I'm unsure if DYK rules allow this. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From WP:DYKIMG: The media must be freely licensed—fair-use images are not permitted on the Main Page. So the answer is no. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd rather prefer other proposed blurbs. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's too bad. ALT5 is the best of them all. Viriditas (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Will be claiming this for review and will do the full review once I come back from vacation. I have to agree with Viriditas that the quirky hook is the best option here. While some of the other options do meet DYKINT, the quirky is the one most likely to attract readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Ratnākara

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    • ... that Ratnākara may have invented the poetic device of vakrokti ("verbal distortion")?
    • ALT1: ... that Ratnākara's Vakroktipañcāśikā contains fifty verses of dialogue between Śiva and Pārvatī, employing the poetic device of vakrokti ("verbal distortion")?
    • ALT2: ... that a now-lost chronicle of the kings of Kashmir, covering two "gaps" in Kalhaṇa's Rājataraṅginī, is attributed to Ratnākara?
    • Reviewed:
    Created by TryKid (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    TryKid [dubious – discuss] 07:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    It might be better to just focus on ALT2 as ALT1 still seems to rely on specialist knowledge and not something that's self-evident from a reading. ALT2 is still slightly specialist but it's at least more understandable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    2018 Batman by-election

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    Improved to Good Article status by GraziePrego (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    GraziePrego (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    TarnishedPathtalk 06:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 21:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Vigilantcosmicpenguin your suggested alt isn't supported by the source you gave, however it is supported by https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-17/voters-head-to-polls-for-batman-byelection/9553388. @GraziePrego, what do you think of the suggested alts? Also it appears that you need to do QPQ for one review. TarnishedPathtalk 05:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would be happy with either of the suggested Alt hooks, I think I'm happy to let a reviewer choose between them and the original ones I suggested. I have also done a QPQ by reviewing the DYK for Bill Morrow (Australian politician). GraziePrego (talk) 07:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My apologies, I'm new to this and wasn't reading all of the nomination. TarnishedPathtalk 03:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 16

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    Lyncoya Jackson

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    • ... that the adoption of a Muscogee orphan Lyncoya by Andrew Jackson was framed by Jackson's political allies as a defense against charges that Jackson was a bloodthirsty Indian killer?
    5x expanded by Jengod (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 199 past nominations.

    KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Liliget Feast House

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    Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 45 past nominations.

    Ornithoptera (talk) 22:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 17

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    Port Mercer, New Jersey

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    5x expanded by Lbal (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Lbal (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Article was expanded more than 5x within the seven day period (from 827 to 6249 chars). Length is good. I'm not as happy with the Earwig results here as I was with the Jugtown DYK. I think there are some common phrases that can easily be rewritten. In case anyone is confused by the no QPQ needed at time of submission versus the QPQ needed message with the current report, this nom was submitted before the 5 nom limit was exceeded due to subsequent nominations. So, no QPQ needed for this one. Port Mercer has only 13 major points of interest based on your sources, yet you've neglected at least two, maybe more, I haven't yet finished checking. You've mentioned Washington's march, but you don't discuss the two obelisks in the town commemorating it per your sources. Given how small this town is and the limited number of landmarks, we need to be mindful of WP:DYKCOMPLETE. I don't think this is a major red flag, but it did stand out to me. I think it would also be helpful to the reader to summarize these points of interest in some way, perhaps in the lead itself or in section 1 (first section after the lead), noting that three of the 13 historical points of interest are no longer extant (or have been destroyed); I'm referring to the Swivel bridge, the General store, and the barn, which have been lost to time. I previously chided you (using Marvin the Martian as my alter ego) about maintaining interest with your narrative in the discussion about the Jugtown Historic District. I think you've got an opportunity here to walk people through the town, not just using "history" as you frame it currently, but also with more of a visual, boots on the ground approach to the area. Something to think about? I tried to approach Pillar Point Bluff using this perspective, and even though I wasn't able to fully approximate the visual navigation of the place in verbal form, it did help me to organize my thoughts and tighten the narrative. As for your hooks, I honestly don't think ALT0 is all that interesting. I suspect that inns serving small towns in the 19th century were steeped in prostitution procurement activity in certain areas, given that it is one of the world's oldest professions. In other words, water is wet. ALT1 is slightly more interesting but isn't entirely self-explanatory. It might be salvageable. @Lbal: Perhaps consider other hooks? Viriditas (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • @Viriditas: I'm planning to rewrite the lead and address the obelisks in a points of interest section at some point either today or tomorrow. If you have any suggestions for how to brighten up the prose, I'd love to hear them.
    • @Lbal: See the link to Pillar Point Bluff up above. I had the same problem you did, and as silly as it sounds, the way I addressed it was to envision in my mind the reader as a person. I then took that person's hand in mine, and gently guided them through Pillar Point, pointing out the sites, stopping where necessary to explain a specific detail, and then letting them take in the entire place on their own. I get it if you are resistant to thinking like that, but it was the only way I could write the article. In other words, pretend you are a tour guide showing the town to someone for the very first time. How would you do it? Then, write it that way. Viriditas (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Viriditas: I like that idea. I'll try to revise the prose with that in mind.
    @Lbal: If you want to read more about the process of visualizing locations, the article on the memory palace technique gives some advice on how to do it. Although it is only loosely related to this discussion, it is the same general idea. Viriditas (talk) 22:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Lbal: Good job with your changes so far. The lead is coming along well and I think ALT2 has some potential for approval, but might need some rewriting. I'm leaning heavily towards ALT2 at this point, but I think it can be improved before this is closed out. Viriditas (talk) 08:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Lbal: As for ALT2, consider revisiting the source material and working with the interesting content to rewrite your hook: "Attempts to capitalize on the heavy traffic included a well-timed delay in opening the swing bridge. This slow opening ... might entangle the mules' tow lines and inadvertently pull (them) into the canal. Fortunately, local boys would be nearby and rescue the mules .. and receive a reward..." I would emphasize the grift, the attempt to profit from the heavy traffic. Viriditas (talk) 21:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Lbal: Great progress on the hook, but you are at 203 characters. I can offer some suggestions for shortening it or you can do it yourself. Try some varations, for example: "... that in Port Mercer, New Jersey, locals profited from canal traffic by dragging mules belonging to travelers into the waterway, then paying boys to 'rescue' them for a fee?" That's 172 characters. Viriditas (talk) 23:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    L:@Viriditas: Sounds good, let me know if this is any better,
    @Lbal:. I like it. Viriditas (talk) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 18

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    The rent strike in Independence, Missouri
    The rent strike in Independence, Missouri

    2024 Kansas City metropolitan area rent strike

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    Moved to mainspace by LunaEclipse (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

    💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ 【=◈︿◈=】 00:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    White Party (Sean Combs)

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    Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 122 past nominations.

    No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hello No Swan So Fine: article created within a week of nomination; QPQ checks out; hook is interesting; no copyvio detected; source checks out. My only question: would it be better to call Mr. Combs by his more well known name of P. Diddy or Diddy? I'm not sure if I'd click on the DYK if it said Sean Combs, I'd be much more likely to do so if it said Diddy, given the recent news and memes. My only thought. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 05:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Rada Dyson-Hudson

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    Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 60 past nominations.

    ミラP@Miraclepine 21:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Kenneth Creer

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    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Interesting fact snippet on a page I just made.
    Created by Helge Kragh (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Spiralwidget (talk) 12:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Thank you for this new article and hook. The article is long enough and new enough (DYK nomination 2 days after creation), the article is free from copyvio problems, and the sources are sufficient and reliable. QPQ is not needed. The hook at the moment is hard to understand: it is not clear why it might be surprising thar Creer supported the expanding Earth hypothesis; and the second half of the hook probably doesn't mean much to someone who isn't familiar with the Hubble constant.
    • A simpler hook might work better, perhaps along the lines that ' a geophysicist.. once supported the expanding Earth theory', and spelling out what this might mean (i.e. 0.6 mm / yr expansion, in Kragh's reference?. I can't access the 'Discovery' paper, but there is a Nature paper by Creer in 1965 where he explains how he might test the expanding Earth theory using perspex shells (https://www.nature.com/articles/205539a0) - perhaps there's an angle for a hook there? And there is a book review by Creer from 1976, where he says he found himself 'prepared to consider .. slow expansion of about 1% in radius since the Permian' https://doi.org/10.1016/0031-9201(77)90099-1
    • Perhaps consider creating one or two alternative hooks? One final point to clarify - in the nomination it suggests that the article was 'created by Helge Kragh'; I presume this is a typo - the source reference you cite is by Kragh? @Spiralwidget:Chaiten1 (talk) 23:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Chaiten1! Yes, that was a typo-I was the one who created the article. Spiralwidget (talk) 00:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Spiralwidget: Do you have any ALT hooks to propose? Z1720 (talk) 15:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ Siebert, Brian. "From the Lindy Hop to Hip-Hop in One Improvising Body". New York Times. New York Times. Retrieved 2022-11-16.
    2. ^ Kragh, Helge (29 November 2019). "Varying Constants of Nature: Fragments of a History". Physics in Perspective. 21: 257–273.

    Luo Shiwen

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    Luo Shiwen
    Luo Shiwen
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 691 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    • Adequate sourcing: No - Much of the article is cited to sources like "Devoting One's Efforts to the Party and the People is the Least of One's Worries——Deeds of Martyr Luo Shiwen", which doesn't speak well to their reliability. There is no consensus that Chinese government published sources are reliable for heroic deeds of party members (see, eg, WP:XINHUA).
    • Neutral: No - Unclear, see above
    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: No - ? Unable to evaluate translation copyvio from Chinese language sources

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: No - Hook could use improvement. Such underground groups developed in so many locations that political prisoners are jailed together

    Image eligibility:

    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: (t · c) buidhe 04:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • Hi Buidhe. Thank you for taking a look at this article, though I note that you are supposed to notify the article's creator if you find issues.
    Referring to WP:XINHUA, which you mentioned in your review, the quorum mentioned there reads "Caution should be exercised in using this source, extremely so in case of extraordinary claims on controversial subjects or biographies of living people. When in doubt, try to find better sources instead; use inline attribution if you must use Xinhua." Little mentioned in the Luo Xinhua article crosses the bar of "extraordinary claims", and what does cross that bar is specifically attributed to the source (with an indication that it is state-owned). He lived, he did something, he was detained, he was executed. Where these government sources have been used, I have been careful not to use their description of persons whom the CCP has no reason to like (for example, the conflict with Zhang Guotao is cited to Howard rather than the decidedly less neutral CCP sources, and discussion of Xifeng is cited predominantly to a Harvard University Press book). Likewise, I have deliberately excluded politically charged claims such as Luo's father being bankrupted by the high ROC taxes.
    As per WP:PARTISAN, "reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective." WP:CONTEXTMATTERS clarifies that "Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Wikipedia article and is an appropriate source for that content." In this case, the sources are used specifically for basic statements of biography. Where statements were extraordinary, such as Mao and Zhou specifically asking for Luo's release, it has been attributed to the source with an indication of the source's potential bias.
    As for the hook, I am deliberately avoiding claims that are sourced exclusively to state-media. How do you feel about:
    ALT1 ... that Luo Shiwen (pictured) led a secret cell of the Chinese Communist Party that negotiated better conditions for inmates at their concentration camp?
    That ALT is supported entirely by Mühlhahn. Regards,  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Xinhua is, according to consensus, generally reliable for factual reporting except in areas where the government of China may have a reason to use it for propaganda, but this topic is exactly one where the Chinese government would have an interest in distorting its own history in order to make the CCP look better. Perhaps other reviewers would have a different opinion, but I don't think that Chinese government published sources should be cited so heavily. (In case you are looking for additional sources, this one is accessible via TWL and seems to mention the article subject). (t · c) buidhe 00:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think I have Wakeman sitting around somewhere. I'll cite that for a few points, and I can cite some more to the pithy provided by Howard. That being said, a blanket prohibition against mainland Chinese sources (we've been talking about Xinhua, but Sichuan Annals are cited more prevalently, and both the original books and the web edition have the same government ties) for a figure of little interest to KMT historians does seem counter-productive. It may be best to have a third opinion. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I also don't think there should be a ban on CCP sources for uncontroversial statements. I'll investigate further when my head's a bit clearer.--Launchballer 10:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Or indeed, any Chinese government-backed sources; claims should be assessed on their merits. (They probably aren't making up "son of a saltmonger", for example.) @Buidhe: what specific sentences are you objecting to?--Launchballer 13:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My interpretation (see above) is that there is a consensus that the Chinese government sources are not reliable where they have an incentive to lie for propaganda purposes. When it comes to the heroic deeds of a Communist party member, there is an obvious incentive for propaganda. This does not apply to basic biographical information that does not reflect positively or negatively on the subject (t · c) buidhe 02:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Crisco 1492: Are you able to find other, more reliable sources to verify the information? Z1720 (talk) 15:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Z1720; as I mentioned above, I have attributed all extraordinary claims to non-Party sources, or made it explicit that sources may be biased in the running text. The remainder is, to the best of my assessment, basic biographic data (for example, "At the time, following the May Fourth Movement and in the midst of the New Culture Movement, he and his cousins had begun reading communist publication", cited to the Sichuan Annals). One might object to "inciting more [peasant] uprisings", but given that was the standard MO of the CCP in the 1930s, I don't feel that it meets the extraordinary or heroic threshold.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Looking at the article, I don't think any of the claims sourced to refs 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 13, 17, 18, or 19 meet the criteria outlined at WP:EXCEPTIONAL.--Launchballer 01:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Lizzie Esau

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    Lizzie Esau in 2024.
    Lizzie Esau in 2024.
    Created by Launchballer (talk) and Georgeykiwi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 254 past nominations.

    Launchballer 09:03, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]


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    Michel Klein (veterinarian)

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    Michel Klein in 1996
    Michel Klein in 1996
    • ... that in the 1950s, Michel Klein (pictured) opened one of the first veterinary practices in Paris?
    • Source: "Michel Klein, born in 1921 in Romania, studied at the veterinary school in Toulouse, a city where he joined the resistance before fleeing to Spain. Back after the war, he was one of the first to open a veterinary office in Paris in the 1950s."
    Le Parisien
    Created by Thriley (talk) and ForsythiaJo (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 150 past nominations.

    Thriley (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Thriley and ForsythiaJo: Please address the above.--Launchballer 01:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Izvestiya Soveta rabochikh i soldatskikh deputatov goroda Askhabada

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    • Source: А. А Росляков. Большевики Туркменистана в борьбе за власть Советов. Туркменское государственное изд-во, 1961. p. 328
    Created by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 406 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Comment: We've had issues with hooks about "firsts", particularly when it comes to newspapers. It's best to avoid superlatives that are difficult to substaniate, but it's also not that interesting. Also, why not have the title in English? RoySmith is working on an essay that explores the idea: First is worst. Viriditas (talk) 20:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think there are a few different issues here. I see the argument that RoySmith is trying to make in the draft essay, but at the same time that's a draft essay and not a policy at this stage. Blanket avoidance of any superlatives will have a pretty big impact on the entire DYK process, and whilst I think it fair to reflect on the issues linked to claims of 'first', 'biggest' etc I would not agree to that it should be enforced as a strict rule.
    • One say to perhaps make the hook slightly more interesting would be to rephrase Transcaspian Oblast (unknown to most readers) to 'present-day Turkmenistan'. It is slightly different than to say 'first Bolshevik newspaper in Pskov', it illustrates that the political organization of the movements of the Russian revolution covered what is today many different countries and societies.
    • Another approach for ALT could be to focus on the role of the newspaper in the tensions inside the Ashkhabad Soviet, that the newspaper supposedly published by the Soviet frequently attacked the leadership of the Soviet. But I find it more difficult to construe the sourcing to explicitly state that the newspaper was indeed the organ of the Soviet (in spite of the name), it seemingly was a Bolshevik party organ de facto.
    • In regards to the name, I generally think translating newspaper names is a bad idea. We refer to Le Monde as Le Monde, not The World. We refer to Pravda as Pravda, not Truth. And so forth. With Chinese newspapers there are some cases where it possible to argue to that names like People's Daily could be considered WP:COMMONNAME, although I think that is gradually becoming an anachronism. --Soman (talk) 09:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Surely, the paper was known by a nickname that can be used? It seems unlikely that anyone would say, "Hey comrade, did you read the News of the Council of Workers and Soldiers Deputies of the City of Askhabad this morning?" Viriditas (talk) 09:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I find 'Известия Асхабадского Совета' being used in some sources. --Soman (talk) 01:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Soman: That's a good step forward. Can it be added to the article with the English translation? And can we use the shortened format in the hook? Viriditas (talk) 09:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam

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    Created by Zanahary (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

    ꧁Zanahary꧂ 07:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • I'm not sure how this hook squares up against the rules to avoid hooks solely based on the content of works, but regardless of that, I am not sure how it's interesting or relevant that, basically, the filmmaker changed his mind about something... (t · c) buidhe 23:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • That rule is: If the subject of the hook is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must be focused on a real-world fact. This is a real-world fact about a nonfiction work. As for the fact, I think it's definitely unusual and remarkable for a filmmaker to make a film criticizing his own work. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    • Adequate sourcing: Yes
    • Neutral: Yes
    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: No - Earwig says that phrases like "advent of the dam" and "through the lens of salvage ethnography" and "with an eighteenth-century BCE limestone statue of the goddess Ishtar excavated from the" are identical to what's in the abstract of ref 2, so they could be changed to avoid close paraphrasing unless it can't be avoided. "Naive early enthusiasm" is similar to "earlier naive enthusiasm" in ref 4, so "Naive early" or just "early" could be changed to "initial" if possible. Otherwise the whole thing's good.
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
    • Interesting: Yes
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Nominated on creation day and sized at 2360 B. Can't access refs 2 and 3 to verify anything so will AGF. @Zanahary: I have to agree with you this hook is interesting based on your explanation, but fix the paraphrasing issue and you're good to go. Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam, which is linked in the hook, is a stub sized at 233 B, so if you want to expand it and make it a second bold, feel free to do so and ping me if you're done; I can even hold the nom for you for the time being. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for the review Miraclepine! I’ll fix the paraphrasing. I can also try to expand A Flood in Ba’ath Country. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zanahary: I've found the fix satisfactory. I'll approve Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam, but ping me once A Flood in Baath Country is sufficiently expanded. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Miraclepine: I've done it! ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zanahary: Thank you. I'm busy with school right now and with other things, but I'll review this tonight or tomorrow. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Zanahary: Since your hook now has two bolded articles, please do a second QPQ. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Miraclepine: Done! here. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zanahary: Thank you, I'll start reviewing the article now. And for the record: I'm putting it to where the first QPQ is listed for convenience. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    • Adequate sourcing: No - See below.
    • Neutral: No - Ref 21 says that the report of the cancellation (but not what the report led to) was a rumor; fix Jeune Afrique sentence to say that, and also to for due weight to note that the JCC organizers affirmed their anti-censorship guarantee at the time. I think the "strongly" in "strongly criticizes" is MOS:EDITORIALizing? Otherwise it's all good.
    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: No - See below.
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: @Zanahary: Yeah, this article has serious problems with close paraphrasing which need to be fixed, as well as some issues with WP:V.

    Extended content
    Regarding WP:V issues:
    • About the infobox: need a source for the producers, cinematography, editor, distributor, running-time, country, and languages.
    • Ref 1 said "some film pirates" but not "two", fix that. Ref 9 says "mistake" but ref 10 says "distress", fix this to clarify what word to use. Ref 9 says it was named after his family but not him himself. Fix "nephew of a local Ba'ath Party leader" -> "nephew of said village's chief" since the ref says the local Baath Party leader is the nephew, not the chief. Refs 32 and 33 don't say he was going to Beirut (but rather Jordan), that it was an airport he was detained at, or (directly) that the Al Arabiya broadcast was in Syria, just that it was to Syrian viewers, so change "aired in Syria" -> "was also seen by Syrian viewers"
    • Ref 12 only says he was a tribal chief but not what tribe and is redundant anyway because ref 14 says he was a leader of the tribe and what tribe it was; relocate ref 12 from that sentence to fix the confusion. Ref 19 is literally redundant to 24. The "won the award for best short film" needs only ref 20. Ref 27 is redundant to 25/26 (and I don't speak Arabic anyway, so I'll AGF since video is not something I can easily translate unlike text)
    • I also need clarity on what the working title is: NYT and Reason say Fifteen Reasons Why I Hate the Baath (both caps), but Fifteen Reasons Why I Hate the Baath Party is used by The Douglas Hyde (uncaps) Masress (uncaps) Eclipse of the Sunnis by Deborah Amos (caps) (worst case scenario we use a footnote).

    Now, this is the full list of CLOP issues:

    • "one of the leaders of Busha’ban tribe admits in the documentary: A Flood in Baath Country directed by Omar Amiralay in 2003 that he sent his tribesmen to Aleppo in the 1970s to help President Hafez al-Assad fight against the Muslim Brotherhood" = "Shaykh Diab al-Mashi, a former leader of the Busha'ban tribe, admits that he'd sent his tribesmen to Damascus in the 1970s to assist in President Hafez al-Assad's fight against the Muslim Brotherhood"
    • "As a reward, al-Mashi was granted a permanent seat in the Syrian Parliament. His tribe's villages were also provided with electricity, and many of the men were exempted from compulsory military service" = same as ref 16 "Το reward them for their loyalty, Sheikh Dayyab al-Mashi was granted a permanent seat in Syria's Parliament. Additionally, the villages of his tribe were provided with electricity and many of his tribesmen were exempted from military service (Dukhan, 2019)." I can't access 15 and it's redundant anyway. Also I think it's way too tangential to note in the article.
    • Sort the list of filmmakers protesting the festival's decision in alphabetical order to prevent close paraphrasing.
    • Change "A Flood in Baath Country was pulled from the lineup of the 2004 Carthage Film Festival in Tunisia" to "the 2004 Carthage Film Festival in Tunisia cancelled a screening of the film". "allegation that the film had been pulled to begin with" should be changed to "news that the screening was cancelled" to carry over paraphrase cleanup. "reported" should be added between "Following" and "political pressure" since the ref says it's apparent. Also, there's a conflict between the Jeune Afrique ref which says the news on the cancellation was a "real-fake "scandal" with a persistent rumor ... [that] turned out to be unfounded" and the Variety/Bidoun refs that together say that the screening was cancelled but put back on the program on the last day; need to sort this out per NPOV.
    • "asked the network to include a dedication to a friend" = "asked the network to include in their broadcast a dedication to his friend", so change to "later requested that said network also air a dedication to his friend" (and also since it seems ambiguous if the dedication was directly part of the broadcast)
    • "a Lebanese journalist and critic of the Syrian regime who was killed on June 2 by a bomb hidden in his car" = "a Lebanese journalist who'd been critical of the Ba'athist regime before being killed in 2005 by a bomb hidden in his car" -> "a Lebanese journalist who had been critical of the Ba'athist regime before his assassination in 2005"
    • "Since Bashar al-Assad had permitted satellite television, this meant the movie would be shown in Syria after all" = "and since Bashar al-Assad had recently permitted satellite broadcasts in Syria, the film would be viewable there after all", so -> "allowing the film to be viewable in Syria since satellite television was legalized by Bashar al-Assad's government"
    • "introduced by writer Farouk Mardam Bey and followed by a debate" is lifted straight from the source after being translated into English. Change it to "featuring a debate and an introduction from writer Farouk Mardam Bey" and move it a little earlier between "Baath Country" and "was held in"
    As for overquotes: The "I wanted ... of my life" can stay, but the "thing that ... eleven thousand years before Christ" should be rewritten. I don't think we need that Ba'athist textbook quote in full, just a sentence describing what it says.

    Oh, and this was expanded from 233 B to 9718 B within a few days of being bolded. ミラP@Miraclepine 05:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Z1720: I'm not sure. I understand it's long, but all this info is still relevant to the DYK, and moving it outside this page might cause all the discussion to be decentralized. Further, I think all the necessary details should be present, and of course there's a lot of them given there were noticeable copyright issues in the page. Would it be best to collapse all this?
    Oh, and while I was writing this reply, I noticed a lot of work's being done on this article. I'll take a look at it as soon as I can. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Okay, review done at last. @Zanahary:, this is long so I'm collapsing it (and also the other; I'm just using Template:Collapse instead of cot/cob given WP:DYKNOM's severe issues with WP:PEISX):

    Extended content
    Now let's see, the Infobox issue is fixed but ref for languages doesn't support that it's Arabic (unlike this one; doclisboa says it's 47 mins, but that ref and the cinemas-asie one say 46 mins); the issue with the film pirates, Jordan, and the nephew of the village chief was fixed; and the festival's anti-censorship guarantee but everything else for V and NPOV are still not fixed.

    Now re CLOP, noting that irrelevant/redundant content is a sign of close paraphrasing:

    • 1 - still too close; "men of his tribe to fight in President Hafez al-Assad's campaign against the Muslim Brotherhood" -> "his tribesmen to assist in the Islamist uprising"
    • 2 - nevermind, I think it's too tangential, should be removed
    • 4 - done but unclear from the refs if how many screenings so "planned screenings of" -> "plans to screen" and "the screenings' cancellation" -> "the screening's cancellation" (as in process); change "guarantee against censorship" to "commitment to anti-censorship" to prevent CLOP
    • 5 - changed to "requested", but still similar since "broadcast" is not changed to "air" and doesn't address my point in ambiguity
    • 6 - car bomb should be removed to fix CLOP
    • 3 and 7 are fixed and 8 is unchanged

    For new additions, everything else is fine but:

    • Refs 22 and 23 doesn't support the "they think this lake has been here forever" quote unlike Jadaliyya ref, add that ref; also add "saying that" "different" and "they think this lake" and replace the ";" with ",".
    • "describes the "oft-repeated signature shot" of the film as an excruciatingly slow passage through a doorway, which Berman finds claustrophobic in imitation of "circumscribed political vision" -> "says that the recurring use of shots of an entrance through the doorway is the film's "oft-repeated signature shot", describing it as "excruciatingly slow"." for NPOV; excruciatingly is an adjective used in the ref, thus should be quoted.
    • "the Syrian regime asked the Tunisian government, through the Syrian embassy in Tunis, to prevent the screening of Amiralay’s film, “Flood in Baath Country,” at the Carthage Film Festival" = "the Baathist regime had directly asked the Tunisian government to prevent the screening", so "directly asked the" -> "attempted to convince the"
    • "restraining order preventing him from leaving the country. At the end of last week, Haaretz learned that the order had been lifted." = Haaretz reported in November 2006 that the restraining order prohibiting Amiralay from leaving Syria had been lifted.", so "restraining order prohibiting Amiralay from leaving Syria had been lifted" -> "ban on foreign travel placed on Amiralay had been removed"
    • aawsat.com implies 20 September "day before yesterday", and eng-archive.aawsat.com says 19 September but sage ref says 18 September citing Middle East Times; just use September 2006.
    • don't need ref 40 next to "which aired in Syria"
    • To avoid CLOP: "travel to work on" -> "travel abroad for work on" and swap Euphrates and Manbij alphabetically.

    BTW wish I had brought this up last time, but consider the refbombing cleanup optional. @Zanahary: these issues need to be fixed, or this nomination won't get to the main page, and I highly recommend making as many issue fixes at once instead of through numerous so I can track these changes quicker and faster. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    All edits done, except:
    • I did not change "guarantee against censorship" to "commitment to anti-censorship", since the latter implies an ideological alignment to the combating of censorship while the former merely means that the festival promised not to censor anything. I don't think these three words form a copyright issue.
    • I read no ambiguity in the source about the dedication's attachment to the broadcast. From the source: Amiralay said that one of the Arab satellite networks had bought "A Flood in Baath Country" ... Amiralay said he had asked the network to include a dedication to a friend, ... "include" here implies that the dedication would be part of the broadcast of the film.
    • I'm confused by also add "saying that" "different" and "they think this lake". What are you asking for?
    • I don't see how saying the Syrian government "directly asked" is a problem. Changing to "attempted to convince" is a departure from the original meaning and a superficial alteration to avoid two words matching with the source. I think these words are fine and not a copyright problem.
    • I changed the restraining order Haaretz text to just say "order prohibiting Amiralay from leaving Syria had been removed"
    • "Travel abroad to work on a film in Jordan" is redundant. This, again, is too small to be a copyvio.
    • Can you specifically name the ref you want removed from "which aired in Syria"? And why?
    • Removal of the car bomb detail—how is that CLOP?—would strip the implicit accusation of assassination of its context. If I said "his death", the reader would not know if he was blown up, disappeared, killed himself, etc., and I obviously cannot say "his assassination".
    • 3 and 7 are fixed and 8 is unchanged—I don't know what these numbers refer to, as your notes are just bullets.
    • For your previous notes: there is no source explaining the discrepancy between variants on Fifteen reasons. It was a working title. Before that, it was twelve reasons. I don't think this needs a footnote, but feel free to add one if you disagree. Ref 19 is literally redundant to 24. I think these ref numbers have changed, and I don't know what sources they refer to. I don't see a reason not to have both Le Matin and Le Nouvel Obs for the prize claim. Two sources for a claim is pretty standard and not in the territory of WP:CITEKILL. The Farouk Mardam Bey thing is another example of an apparent disagreement between you and I on close paraphrasing and WP:LIMITED—I don't see a reason to alter the natural wording into something superficially more distant from the source's obvious verbiage. I've trimmed the Baathist textbook, but I think what is there should stay; it's very interesting and exemplifies the school section of the film quite well. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zanahary: I'm currently busy with schoolwork and can't do the whole thing at once right now (also including changes you've made since then), but I'll try to catch up between Tuesday and Friday (worst case scenario the latter date). For now:
    1. Re 2: Okay, seems I overlooked this. Feel free to write it that way.
    2. Re 3: Ooh, sorry. I meant you would add "saying that"
    3. Re 9: These are what the bullets would be if the extended detail reviews used numbers.
    4. I'd like to note that the principle of WP:LIMITED, which I've used in DYK before, is that it applies unless there is a different plausible way to say it; in these cases I found them here and there, hence my request to make the changes.
    Hope this clears things up. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zanahary: Just looked at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_202#c-RoySmith-20241101020900-Crisco_1492_mobile-20241101015300, so I've done a few fixes outside the ones you've objected to. I'll finish the rest of the review once I come home or tomorrow. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zanahary: Since I'm home, where were we?
    • Re 1: I felt "committed" and "guarantee" have the same meaning in indicating promise, but then your reply gave me an idea: something in the lines of "kept its promise against censorship"?
    • Re 4: How about "directly asked the Tunisian government to prevent" -> "directly requested that the Tunisian government prevent"? "directly asked" seems redundant, and I'm sure one will get the idea about whom they requested it to if "directly" is used before "requested".
    • Re 5: I'll approve that.
    • Re 6: Following on the principle on WP:LIMITED: just use "travel to Jordan to work on a film"
    • Re 7: The Haaretz ref, marked with ref name ":13". The Asharq Al-Aswat ref, which the Haaretz ref is next to, already says the whole thing.
    • Re 8: Okay, you make a point about relevance. we'll compromise. Per the principle of WP:LIMITED, how about "before his death by" -> "before being fatally injured by"
    • Re 10 is somewhat long, so I'll reply:
    • Yeah, assuming the secondary sources got the name mixed up, I'm going with Mohamad al-Roumi.
    • That's because sources were added thus increasing the ref numbers; about the refs in question, both Variety articles from Ali Jaafar, I've read the Gale ref thru WP:LIBRARY and it's technically the same thing as the weblink Variety, so I've replaced it with the same. (For the record, I referenced Special:Permalink/1256099108 in the first review.)
    • Keep the prize claim refs per your point in WP:CITEKILL.
    • The ref still verifies everything the Farouk Mardam Bey proposal says.
    • The textbook quote and "The restriction on Amiralay's travel" thing will stay your way
    • For content added since then: "the script Amiralay had sent him was entitled" = "The script he sent me was titled", so I've changed to "the script he received from Amiralay was named"; I've also copyedited the other for sentence structure.
    • Continuing from the first extended review: In the first paragraph of the Content section, I prefer "remorse" over mistake and distress; change "at a Syrian airport" to "at the Jordan–Syria border" per [12]; and my point on "aired in Syria" -> "was also seen by Syrian viewers" still stands.
    Hope this help. ミラP@Miraclepine 05:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Mwene Muji

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    • ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin which declined in the late 19th century, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
    • ALT1 ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
    • ALT2 ... that the grand claims from the ruler of Mwene Muji of them once having imperial status were dismissed by Belgian colonial authorities?
    • Reviewed:
    Created by Kowal2701 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Kowal2701 (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Kowal2701: I've also checked the article and right now it's less than 1500 characters long. DYK requires a minimum of 1500 characters of prose to be accepted. If you can expand the article further so that it meets the guidelines then less us know, but if that is not feasible then unfortunately the nomination will have to be rejected. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @User:Narutolovehinata5 the hook is 197 words long, and it gives context the fact which is that their grand claims were dismissed. I wouldn't say it summarises the article, just the last few sentences. I can expand it further, I think at the moment it's at 1200 words. Are you sure the hook isn't okay?

    Yes, the hook is far too long for DYK, even if it is slightly under the character limit. Perhaps another editor like Launchballer can give some advice on what makes a good hook, especially one that isn't too long. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @User:Narutolovehinata5 but surely if it's under the character limit then the length is okay?
    I’ve added alts, I think I know what you were getting at, that the initial hook had too much information in it and wouldn’t entice the reader to click on the article. I think ALT2 is okay? Kowal2701 (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, ALT2 would work. Since the original issues about length and hooks are now addressed this is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 22

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    Revant Himatsingka

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    • Comment: I think this is quite an interesting feat on the part of the influencer that a viral video was able to get Cadbury to reduce added sugar in Bournvita (marketed as children's health drink in India) by almost 15%, even as they sent legal notices and filed lawsuits against him. Also, I am new to DYK, and not sure if the hook could be made better than this. Thanks!
    Moved to mainspace by CX Zoom (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 20:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Bern Shanks

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    Created by Chetsford (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 152 past nominations.

    Chetsford (talk) 22:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Article is new enough, long enough, well sourced, copyright free, and presentable. However, the hook may fail WP:DYKINT. Additionally, I don't think the majority of viewers will click on the bolded article as that is last in the hook (per WP:DYKMAJOR) and that the first link may get the most views, so I suggest an alternative hook. JuniperChill (talk) 10:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Aaron Kennedy

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    Created by B3251 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

    B3251(talk) 21:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Narutolovehinata5: Done. B3251(talk) 03:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    National Gingerbread House Competition

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    2008 competition entries
    2008 competition entries
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    Created by Hkeely (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Hkeely (talk) 15:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Thanks Hkeely. The length is now fine, article was created on time (22 October), sources used look to be reliable for the content and I found no issues with overly close paraphrasing, image is good (I trimmed the caption quite a bit). A couple of questions on sourcing:
    • I couldn't see in the Fox Carolina source where it said this was the only time the event had been cancelled?
    • Can you add a citation in the article for the last sentence of the first paragraph about the TV channels it has been broadcast on?
    Apart from that I think this is good to go - Dumelow (talk) 07:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Dumelow. Thank you for checking this and trimming the caption. I've added a citation for the TV channel coverage. The cancelation information is because the contest started in 1992 and this would have been the 32nd annual event. Since there were 31 events prior, that adds up mathematically. I did include new information about the public display portion being canceled during the Covid pandemic in 2020, though judging did continue that year. - Hkeely (talk) 17:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Hkeely, if the first event was held in 1992 and it was held every year then 2024 would have been the 33rd event. There are 32 years between the first and last event but 33 events (see fencepost error) - Dumelow (talk) 08:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Hkeely: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Z1720: The competition hosts themselves say that the event started in 1992 and that 2024 would have been the 32nd annual competition. https://www.omnihotels.com/hotels/asheville-grove-park/things-to-do/national-gingerbread-competition I presume this is the case because the first year wasn't actually judged. Hkeely (talk) 19:37, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Hkeely and Z1720: Sorry for delay in replying. I am not sure that is enough for us to assume it is the first time, but happy if another reviewer thinks it is. Is there an alternative wording we can look at? - Dumelow (talk) 10:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Henry Parnell, 5th Baron Congleton

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    War grave of Henry Parnell
    War grave of Henry Parnell
    Created by Moondragon21 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

    Moondragon21 (talk) 12:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 23

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    Bob Hobman

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    • ... that in 1984, Bob Hobman and a group began a journey to sail a wooden outrigger boat from the Philippines to Madagascar to recreate a possible voyage by Neolithic humans?
    • Source: "TAWI TAWI, Philippines -- On a tropical island miles from nowhere, Robert Hobman's dream is taking shape from a century-old tree chopped down in the jungle.

    The British-born adventurer has watched local boatbuilders on the Moslem island of Tawi Tawi carve the hardwood tree into a replica of a ship he believes Southeast Asians used to migrate to Africa hundreds of years before Christ.

    Seeking to unravel the mysteries of the migration, Hobman, four other adventurers and a Filipino navigator plan to set sail later this month on a 4,600-mile voyage from Tawi Tawi through the Indonesian Archipelago and across the Indian Ocean to Madagascar."

    UPI
    Created by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 151 past nominations.

    Thriley (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Article is well sourced. I think the intro could be expanded at least to show why he is notable beyond being a sailor (Bob Hobman is a British Australian sailor who... etc). I suggested an alternative hook because I think the phrase "and a group" is awkward. Please let me know your thoughts! PersusjCP (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Abortion in Gabon

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    • Source: [14] The draft amendment to the Penal Code extends the right to voluntary termination of pregnancy to some extent, although it remains highly conditional. "It is not yet the right time" to liberalise it, Ms Ossouka Raponda said.
    Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.

    — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 22:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Tiny Glade

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    • ... that Tiny Glade was the fourth most played demo on 2024's Steam Next Fest?
    Moved to mainspace by JuniperChill (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    JuniperChill (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Foreign policy of the Masoud Pezeshkian administration

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    Created by Sportsnut24 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @JuniperChill: WP:PRESSTV policy is itself based on a deprecated source. Ergo, there is no policy.Sportsnut24 (talk) 12:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm confused with what your saying, or you got confused with what you said. While this isn't a full review, deprecated sources are almost never used in articles (Daily Mail is a notable example, and so is Press TV), and are likely not permitted for DYK and you even pointed it out to yourself. I suggest removing them. Another user will give a proper review. JuniperChill (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Let's make it clear I'm requesting a review from another user. JuniperChill (talk) 10:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 24

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    Jing Tsu

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    • ... that Jing Tsu's schoolteachers called her "female tiger" because their punishment had no effect on her?
    Created by Kimikel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

    Kimikel (talk) 04:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Since I have suggested the rephrasing of the hook, someone else should probably reconfirm this review. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    A Nail Clipper Romance

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    Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

    Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    1. ^ 羅偉強 (16 April 2017). "【指甲刀人魔】彭浩翔關智耀專訪 拆解人魔由來". HK01 (in Chinese). Retrieved 24 October 2024. 《指甲刀人魔》雲集兩岸三地演員，而香港代表僅得鄭伊健一人。在戲中作為唯一香港演員，卻不融入一眾內地與台灣演員中一起說普通話，到底為什麼有這樣的安排呢？莫非導演想令《指甲刀人魔》保留多一點香港氣息？原來導演與監製別有心思。「我們想演員以他最熟悉的語言去演繹，會令他以最自然的狀態去完成演出。」關智耀這樣說。而一旁的彭浩翔則從夏威夷的角色出發，他說：「我們在夏威夷所見的，就是很多華人根本就是廣東話與普通話夾雜。他們有一部分人從香港來，亦有部分從內地台灣來。因此我們覺得鄭伊健說廣東話，而其他人說普通話是很夏威夷的一件事。」無論原因是何，作為香港人的大家在戲中聽著伊健講廣東話，都會有多一分親切感吧。 [The film A Nail Clipper Romance features a cast from China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong, with only Ekin Cheng representing Hong Kong. As the sole actor from Hong Kong, he does not speak Mandarin alongside the Chinese and Taiwanese actors. Why is this arrangement in place? Could it be that the director wants to retain a bit of Hong Kong’s essence in A Nail Clipper Romance? It turns out the director and producer have their reasons. "We want the actors to perform in the language they are most comfortable with, as it allows them to present their most natural state", says director Jason Kwan. Meanwhile, Pang Ho-cheung reflects on the Hawaiian context, stating, "What we see in Hawaii is that many Chinese people mix Cantonese and Mandarin. Some come from Hong Kong, while others come from the mainland and Taiwan. Therefore, we felt that having Ekin Cheng speak Cantonese while the others speak Mandarin is very representative of Hawaii". Regardless of the reason, as Hong Kongers, hearing Ekin speak Cantonese in the film adds a sense of familiarity and warmth.]
    2. ^ Ku, Daniel (6 April 2017). "愛情奇幻喜劇《指甲刀人魔》，張孝全、周冬雨夏威夷浪漫談情". Vogue Taiwan (in Chinese). Retrieved 7 October 2024. 到2010年，彭導與網路大電影合作，拍了名為《4夜奇譚》的網路短片系列，其中一夜就是由曾國祥和尹志文執導的《指甲刀人魔》，女主角更是找來周迅。當時影片獲得極高評價，大家都想知道故事的後續發展，因此彭導便有延伸為長篇電影的計畫，只是沒想到計畫一擱就是七年。 [By 2010, director Pang [Ho-cheung] collaborated with an online production company to create a series of web shorts called 4+1 Project, one of which is A Nail Clipper Romance, directed by Derek Tsang and Jimmy Wan, starring Zhou Xun as the female lead. At the time, the film was positively received, and everyone wanted to know what happened next in the story. As a result, Pang decided to expand it into a feature film, although the project ended up being put on hold for seven years.]
    3. ^ "鄭伊健去夏威夷拍戲勁開心 周冬雨讚張孝全性格夠獨特". Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 9 March 2017. Archived from the original on 12 March 2017. Retrieved 7 October 2024. 由於全片在夏威夷取景，周冬雨因此愛上衝浪，她更透露跟監製彭浩翔一起衝浪有無比的榮耀感，彭浩翔學了七八節課，但她學了兩節就追上了。 [Since the entire film is shot in Hawaii, Zhou Dongyu falls in love with surfing. She also reveals that she was proud to surf with producer Pang Ho-cheung, as Pang took seven or eight lessons, while she only took two lessons before catching up to him.]
    4. ^ 翁新涵 (25 November 2016). "尷尬了╱阮經天緋聞女友 來台喊許瑋甯「奶奶」". Nownews (in Chinese). Retrieved 21 October 2024. 根據周冬雨表示，她主演的新片《指甲刀人魔》，有邀請許瑋甯客串 [According to Zhou Dongyu, in her new film A Nail Clipper Romance, [she] did invite Tiffany Ann Hsu to make a cameo appearance.]
    5. ^ Wong, Silva (16 March 2017). "'Love Off The Cuff' director talks Hong Kong festival opener". Screen Daily. Retrieved 24 October 2024. Despite his busy schedule as a writer/director, Pang takes time out to produce for new filmmakers such as Wan, Luk and Jason Kwan, the DoP on both Love In A Puff and Love In The Buff. The latter's directorial debut A Nail Clipper Romance, starring Zhou Dongyu and Joseph Chang, opens on April 14.

    Soviet atrocities committed against prisoners of war during World War II

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    Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 531 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: Yes
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Looks great! Very good work, thank you. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm concerned about fundamental issues with POV and NOR with this article, please see my comment on talk. In terms of the hook, although "murder" is probably an appropriate word when dealing with the (unsanctioned) executions of enemy combatants by Soviet forces, it's not clear whether it's appropriate to describe the high mortality rate caused largely by the dire humanitarian situation in the Soviet Union (which also caused the deaths of many Soviet civilians in this same era). Hooks are expected to be neutral, but this one is one-sided. Multiple sources are cited and it's unclear where the comparison cited in the hook is made, or whether it's a calculation by Wikipedia editors. Overall I would not pass this DYK. (t · c) buidhe 06:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I replied on talk there; I don't believe any issues you raise here are relevant for the DYK. The article is not tagged for NPOV issues, nor I can see why it should be, given your rather vague concerns. The basic term murder is indeed uncontroversial and commonly used in sources cited and listed here, which serve to confirm the basic facts mentioned in the hook; and the estimates cited are also uncontroversial; I opted to use broader ranges rather then precise figures for readability. For sources that mention Katyn and German POWs together, there are numerous, including, again, many of the ones cited in the article. Others: [15], [16], etc. TL;DR the topic is obviously notable (take it to AfD if you disagree) and the hook simply summarizes some uncontroversial but prominent and attention-grabbing details. PS. I feel the hook is perfectly neutral; what would make it less "one sided"? The mention that USSR did not kill all of the POWs it held? Are you seriously trying to argue that the murder of Polish officers at Katyn was motivated by "the dire humanitarian situation in the Soviet Union"? (And yes, as the article states, the deaths of some of the German POWs were attributed to that situation - but this detail is too niche and uninteresting for the hook). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If the sources call it murder, then murder it is. I don’t see a valid controversy here. — Biruitorul Talk 09:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think anyone would disagree that some of these deaths (such as the Katyn massacre) can indeed be called "murder". However, I see no evidence or quotes that indicate, as the hook implies, that hundreds of thousands of deaths (particularly those caused more by supply shortages in the Soviet Union than a deliberate, malicious Soviet government policy) can be deemed to be "murder" in wiki voice. Insofar as murders were committed against Axis prisoners of war, the hook misleadingly suggests that the Soviet government ordered them, rather than front line troops deciding to shoot prisoners on their own initiative. In order for this hook to meet DYK's POV rules, we would have to establish that it's a consensus, or at least majority, view. I know there are similar controversies when it comes to the Soviet prisoners of war held by Germany, with some scholars disagreeing that "mass killing" is an appropriate designation, and "mass death" is more accurate. Apparently Piotrus does not like me commenting here, but I wish to maintain the integrity of what we post at DYK by pointing out POV and VER issues that I see on any DYK I come across, regardless of who started it. The google books links above don't help me, please quote exactly where in these sources it says that "hundreds of thousands" of Axis POWs were murdered by the Soviet government. (t · c) buidhe 07:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The issue can be fixed easily by removing the mention of Axis soldiers and just mentioning the Polish deaths, which you yourself agree can be described as "murder(ed)" (and which very much were ordered by the Soviet rulers, although the hook is never implied who was responsible in the Soviet hierarchy). See ALT1 below and a slightly longer ALT1a2 mentioning other nationalities, without a number and the term "murder" you dispute; pinging original reviewer so they can comment on it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    PS. Forgot to @Zanahary:. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I think ALT1a is best. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Buidhe: Do any of the alts satisfy your concerns? Z1720 (talk) 15:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think any of these make particularly good hooks, because they are focused on a specific, notable event that has its own article with the DYK'd article mention awkwardly jammed in. Also, I'm unsure if the article meets WP:DYKTAG, given that the concerns I raised on the talk page remain unresolved. Namely, that a casual reader is likely to walk away with the impression that the dire humanitarian situation for prisoners of war was mainly caused by intentional "atrocities" on the part of the Soviet government, an interpretation that is contradicted by some of the sources cited in the article. (t · c) buidhe 17:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 25

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    Boxheim Documents

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    SPD poster for the 1932 Prussian state election using these documents to attack the NSDAP
    SPD poster for the 1932 Prussian state election using these documents to attack the NSDAP
    • Source: Press and Politics in the Weimar Republic. OUP Oxford. pp. 186–187.
    Created by Jean Po (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Jean Po (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • The article was made on the 25th, so is new enough. At many times the required length, it is long enough. The article reads neutrally and properly uses in-line citations. The copyvio detector finds nothing outside of explicit quotes in the article. Both hooks are interesting and cited in-line and utilized properly from the listed sources. The suggested image is in the public domain and visibly identifiable. No QPQ needs to be done. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 01:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jean Po, Silver seren, and Crisco 1492: I have pulled this hook on interestingness grounds. There is nothing whatsoever unusual about Nazis treating Jews poorly.--Launchballer 21:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, what about the original hook? I think that the Nazis were planning a full out coup, rather than their (admitted coerced through other events) political victory later, is interesting, particularly the effects that had at the time of the reveal of this plan. SilverserenC 22:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No comment on interestingness, but I have tagged uncited material in the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 27

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    Bob Hainlen

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    Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 267 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 28

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    Gilopez Kabayao

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    • Source: "As the first Filipino violinist to perform at the prestigious Carnegie Hall in New York in 1950, Gilopez Kabayao broke new ground and brought pride to the nation." —Philippine Daily Inquirer / Inquirer.net; "He performed in prestigious venues, including Carnegie Hall in New York in 1950, making him the first Filipino violinist to do so." —SunStar
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anatolii Brezvin
    • Comment: Many sources state that Kabayao's Carnegie Hall performance in 1950 was done when he was 19 years old, but this is impossible if he was born in 1929 so I omitted this from the article and therefore the hook. This error might affect the hook under WP:EXCEPTIONAL and especially since a different source (Manila Bulletin) says, "Kabayao is widely believed to be the first Filipino to play at the prestigious Carnegie Hall in New York City".
    Created by Seav (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    seav (talk) 23:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Charles de Gaulle's trip to South America

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    • Source: "L'invitation avait été renouvelée par le maréchal CASTELO BRANCO, mais, au moment du voyage, la situation intérieure brésilienne est tendue. En mors, un différend auquel on a donné lenom de «guerre de la langouste» a opposé la Fronce et le Brésil. L'ambassadeur de France, J. BAEYENS rappelé en consultation à Paris, n'est pas revenu. La France n'a pas répondu à une demande d'agrément en faveur de l'ambassadeur Leitào do CUNHA. Des représailles brésiliennes contre les Alliances Françaises duBrésil sont même un moment envisagées. De GAULLE aurait alors prononcé cette phrase assassine que l'onvous ressert malicieusement ou amèrement sons cesse ou Brésil «Comme le disait votre grand président, le Brésil n'est pas un pays sérieux!», Ces paroles seraient en fait, paraît-il, celles d'un membre del'Ambassade duBrésil en fronce, lancées dons un moment d'exaspération... On ne soit plus. Toujours est-il que les relations franco-brésiliennes s'étaient détériorées. Le Gouverneur de Rio deJaneiro, Carlos LACERDA décide deboycotter l'arrivée dugénéral dons sa ville etc'est le président de la République brésilienne qui doit aller accueillir son hôte à l'arrivée du «Colbert» dons la plus fameuse rode dumonde" Leprun (1994), p. 12
    • Reviewed: [[]]
    • Comment: Found this article while new page patrolling.
    Created by Sintropepe (talk) and Kimdime (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 00:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Can you provide a quotation from the source linking the refusal to the lobster war, so it can be translated and verified? The article makes frequent opinion statements and makes liberal use of opinion adjectives. I think greater attribution in the article of who is stating such opinions is necessary. Also, inline citations are missing from the ends of the following paragraphs:

    • "By 1964, France had essentially completed..."
    • "De Gaulle arrived in Mexico on..."
    • "Francia trata de ayudar..."
    • "He was greeted by President Belaúnde Terry..."
    • "Peruanos, Francia, tierra..."
    • "The following day..."
    • "On 6 October, the President..."
    • "Brazil was not initially on the French..."
    • "In the short term..."
    • "The Colombian government gave various..."

    Ergo Sum 03:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    here is a quotation : "Le Gouverneur de Rio de Janeiro, Carlos LACERDA décide de boycotter l'arrivée du général dons sa ville et c'est le président de la République brésilienne qui doit aller accueillir son hôte à l'arrivée du «Colbert»" rough translation : " Rio's Governor, Carlos Lacerda decided to boycott the General's arrival in the city, so instead the President of the Republic had to meet his host when the Colbert arrived" Kimdime (talk) 08:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC) The link to the Lobster war is made on the previous paragraph (p.12 of the same source)Kimdime (talk) 09:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Regarding inline (= online I guess ?) citations, well, that's the point, some stuff isn't available online and still has to be found in paper sources, in libraries, I tend to think that this is one of the added values of the work that has been done for this article. If I had relied only on online sources, I would not had been able to write the original article.Kimdime (talk) 09:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I meant inline as in WP:INLINE. Every paragraph must end in a citation. Ergo Sum 16:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Ergo Sum, I didn't know about this en:wp jargon. Yet I'm not sure to understand what you mean. Let's take one example : "De Gaulle arrived in Mexico on...". Could you specify what' missing there ? Kimdime (talk) 11:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That paragraph does not have an inline citation at the end of it. As with the others. I suspect you could reuse the inline citation at the end of the following block quotation paragraph, but I have not examined the sources. Ergo Sum 16:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ergo Sum I don't get it, it does have a reference at the end of the paragraph which is : Gruat (2010, pp. 119–132).Kimdime (talk) 11:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There should be one following "has gone down in history" in addition to following "en la mano." Ergo Sum 12:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sintropepe, Kimdime, and Dan Leonard: I have added "citation needed" to text that need a citation. These will need to be addressed before this can be promoted. Z1720 (talk) 16:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    No response to the above ping from @Sintropepe, Kimdime, and Dan Leonard: marking as rejected unless one of those users returns or someone adopts this nomination. Z1720 (talk) 15:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Chromakopia

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    • ... that the physical version of Chromakopia contains an extra song?
  • ... that Tyler's album-related truck could be seen in Tyler?
    • 5x expanded by MontanaMako (talk).
    • Reviewed:
    Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    MontanaMako (talk) 21:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Narutolovehinata5; just added a new one. Is it any better? MontanaMako (talk) 16:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 16:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Will leave the decision to another reviewer, but it's better than the original. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 18:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    New reviewer needed. Z1720 (talk) 15:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Near-miss effect

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    • ... that gamblers have an inflated confidence when they choose a lottery ticket or throw the roulette ball compared to when another agent does so?
    • Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2658737/
      (However, it is repeatedly observed that gamblers have inflated confidence (indicated by wager size, for example) when given the opportunity to choose their lottery ticket or throw the dice or roulette ball themselves, compared to conditions where the action is performed by another.)
    • ALT1: ... that due to the near-miss effect, gamblers may mistake a game of luck for a game of skill? Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2658737/
      (The presence of personal control may be a core factor in causing the gambler to mistake a game of chance for a game with some skill component, which is effectively controllable.)
    • Reviewed:
    Moved to mainspace by Anonymous1261 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Who am I? / Talk to me! / What have I done? 13:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • article is new enough, long enough, copyright free. QPQ not done as nom has less than 5 nominations. However, there's a citation needed tag which should be fixed before it can be marked as approved. It seems like an interesting article nonetheless. JuniperChill (talk) 12:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Zeng Laishun

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    Zeng, c. 1880s
    Zeng, c. 1880s
    • ... that Zeng Laishun (pictured) was the first Chinese person to attend college in the United States?
    • Source: Rhoads, Edward J. M. (2011) Stepping Forth into the World: The Chinese Educational Mission to the United States, 1872–81. Pg. 3
    Moved to mainspace by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 87 past nominations.

    Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Comment to the reviewer: given that this is a "first" hook, and a pretty exceptional one at that, please be sure to check if the sources adequately support the claim, and see if counterexamples can be found. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: Since Blervis looks like a pretty new reviewer, and this is a hook with higher sourcing standards than usual, should I put this up for second opinion? I think that might be a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We can have a second opinion from an experienced editor, who at the same time could try teaching Blervis the ropes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sounds like a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 29

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    Timeless Voyage

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    • ... that the author of the comic book Timeless Voyage was the leader of a UFO religion? Source: Abgrall, Jean-Marie (1999). "Sectes Ufologiques". Les sectes de l'apocalypse: gourous de l'an 2000 (in French). Paris: Calmann-Lévy. p. 95. ISBN 978-2-7021-2954-8. Troisième et dernier mouvement exclusivement ufologique répertorié dans le rapport parlementaire sur les sectes : le groupe Siderella, connu sous les appellations successives de Isozen, Futura, Galacteus, Euro-Culture, Italia, Résonances nouvelles, Azur Mieux-Ëtre, les Voyageurs intemporels et, enfin, Siderella. Fondé et dirigé par Jean-Paul Appel — de son nom de gourou Appel Guery [...]. Appel Guery est aussi l'auteur du scénario de la bande dessinée par Sergio Macedo, Voyage intemporel [...]
    Created by PARAKANYAA (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

    PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 30

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    Karl Thielscher

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    Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 268 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Tommy Suggs

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    Created by JJonahJackalope (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 53 past nominations.

    JJonahJackalope (talk) 02:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    7th National Eucharistic Congress (United States)

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    Moved to mainspace by Maximilian775 (talk) and Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 21:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Charel Allen

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    • ALT2: ... that basketball player Charel Allen was a five-time Bulgarian Cup champion despite only knowing a few words of Bulgarian?
    • Sources: Five-time champ, "a few words", further context on language barrier: "Halftime speeches are usually all in Bulgarian,” Allen said of the language barrier. “Coach (Stefan Mihaylov) trusts me, though. With my knowledge of the game, I know what he's saying and what we need to do. If not, he'll translate for me later and let me know what I needed to do."]
    Created by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 31

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    Tony Pajaczkowski

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    Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 269 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Review: Missing QPQ. Minor issues with years in article (1955-1959) related to hook. Everything else passes. I tried using the template -- see source here -- but it isn't showing up, help? ProfGray (talk) 04:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: No - The hook says "several," the source says "three" years, but the article has "1955-1959" = 4 yrs?
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Minor disconnect with years, betw source and article: the hook finesses this, but the article still needs to be correct on this point, right? Not seeing a QPQ -- if done, please edit nomination, if not done, I can wait but others may have concern. Caution -- do not use the image in DYK (though image not nominated, which is fine).

    Thanks for fixing my mistake w template. QPQ -- this comes across as a bit confusing, you wrote in November that you'd do it in 24 hours but the QPQ had been done in September. Please ping me when you fix the years thing. Thanks! ProfGray (talk) 04:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    PS, you've done an amazing number of DYKs and GAs, wow. ProfGray (talk) 04:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Gifted (2022 novella)

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    • ... that in 2022, all five book nominations for the Akutagawa Prize were written by women, including former Japanese adult actress Suzumi Suzuki, who wrote Gifted after her own experiences?
    • Source: (Translated from Japanese to English)

    Suzuki Suzumi, whose book "Gifted" (Bungeishunju) was nominated for the 167th Akutagawa Prize, says that while her unexpected background has attracted attention, it has also led to prejudice and labelling.

    For the first time in history, only female writers have been nominated for the 167th Akutagawa Prize, which will be announced on July 20th. Among them, Suzuki Suzumi, who was nominated for "Gifted," made her AV debut while studying at Keio University. After that, she worked for a newspaper company and graduated from the University of Tokyo, and is now active as a writer and columnist, which has attracted attention for her unusual career.

    Source: Oricon News (https://www.oricon.co.jp/special/59840/)
      • ALT1: ... that former adult film actress Suzumi Suzuki pivoted to writing literature in 2022 with her novel, Gifted, which became one of five books nominated for the Akutagawa Prize that year? Source: Same as first source
      • Reviewed:
    Created by Phibeatrice (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Phibeatrice (talk) 00:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • If anything, the fact that the writer of the novel is a former adult film actress is the interesting part here, not the award (which not all readers may recognize, even if it's prestigious). Suggesting a far simpler hook:
    ALT3 ... that the 2022 novel Gifted was written by a former adult film actress?
    Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT4 ... that former Japanese adult actress Suzumi Suzuki's book Gifted was nominated for the Akutagawa Prize in 2022? Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mary Mark Ockerbloom: WP:DYKTRIM is the relevant guideline. Oftentimes, but not always, the shortest and simplest hooks are the best. There are times when hooks do need additional context, but generally speaking, we tend to target the widest audience possible with hooks that require the least amount of specialist information. The issue I have with the prize angle is that readers may not know that it is a prestigious award or even be familiar with it, making the angle less accessible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Presumably then, they will have an added incentive to click through and find out. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Numerous ALT hooks have been proposed: a reviewer is needed to ensure that they and this article are approved. Z1720 (talk) 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Details Cannot Body Wants

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    Created by Imbluey2 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 06:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Bejeweled (video game)

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    Improved to Good Article status by Lazman321 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

    Lazman321 (talk) 22:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Backflip (figure skating)

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    French figure skater Surya Bonaly
    French figure skater Surya Bonaly
    Created by Figureskatingfan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 51 past nominations.

    Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Adrenal crisis

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    Forty-nine year-old with an adrenal crisis.
    Forty-nine year-old with an adrenal crisis.
    • ... that the death rate from adrenal crises can amount to 6%? Source: Hahner et al. 2015
      • Reviewed:
    Improved to Good Article status by IntentionallyDense (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    IntentionallyDense (talk) 03:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Zhu Baosan

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    Zhu Baosan
    Zhu Baosan
    • ... that the fortune left by Zhu Baosan (pictured) was reported to have been greatly diminished by his philanthropic activities?
    • Source: "The Mourning Ceremonies for Mr. Chu Pao-san". The North-China Herald. 6 November 1926. p. 257. "Although Mr. Chu Pao-san was a successful merchant and had such numerous business interests, friends believe that he left only a small fortune, as his contributions to charity were so large."
    • ALT1: ... that the business interests of Zhu Baosan (pictured) ranged from banking and insurance to shipping and coal mining? Source: "The Mourning Ceremonies for Mr. Chu Pao-san". The North-China Herald. 6 November 1926. p. 257. "He promoted the Commercial’ Bank of China, the Ningpo Commercial Bank, the Chekiang Industrial Bank and the Chung Hua Commercial. and Savings Bank. He was an organizer of the Wah An Fire and Marine Insurance Company, the Wah Sing Insurance Company, and the China United Assurance Society. He was a director of the Liu Kiang and Chang Hsin Mining Companies. He was interested in the Nantao Tramway Company, the Tinghai Electric [Construction “Company” and the Chousan Electric Company. He was a director of the Chousan Steam Navigation Company, the Yung An Steamship Company, the Yung Leo Shipping Company, 'the Chang Ko Navigation Company, the Ta Tah Navigation Company and in several other shipping interests. He was a prominent shareholder in many cotton and flour mills, pap factories and other industrial enterprises."
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Falcón state (1 of 2)
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 700 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on November 1

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    Verificado 2018

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    Created by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 83 past nominations.

    Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 02:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Museiliha inscription

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    • Source: de Ruggiero 1893, p. 443.
      Louvre Museum, 2024
    • ALT1: ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, helped delineate ancient territories between the citizens of Caesarea-ad-Libanum and the Gigartans? Source: Renan 1864, p. 149.
      Mommsen, Hirschfeld & Domaszewski 1873, p. 31, insc. 183.
      Louvre Museum, 2024
    • ALT2: ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, is considered a rare ancient example of a documented border dispute? Source: de Ruggiero 1893, p. 443.
      Louvre Museum, 2024
    • ALT3: ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, includes carefully erased names, likely of Roman officials? Source: Mancini 1884, pp. 71–72.
      Louvre Museum, 2024
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abu Sulayman Da'ud
    Created by Elias Ziade (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 38 past nominations.

    el.ziade (talkallam) 10:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    1931 Barcelona rent strike

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    Created by Michalis Vazaios (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 257 past nominations.

    Launchballer 13:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Article is new enough, long enough and adequately sourced, including the hook. QPQ done. Automated and spot checks find no copyvios or plagiarism. Only issue is that the hook is not that interesting. Maybe
    Sure. Might I also suggest ALT2: ... that the 1931 Barcelona rent strike resulted in 18 deaths, dozens of injuries and arrests, and an agreement on the reduction of rents?--Launchballer 20:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Valenciano: Could you please assess ALT2?--Launchballer 02:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sorry I missed your reply. ALT2 is fine, the 18 deaths sources to the El Pais article, which is behind a paywall so I took that in good faith (and verified it in other sources anyway.) Valenciano (talk) 10:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Valenciano: Are all of your concerns resolved, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 15:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes. All good to go. Valenciano (talk) 19:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Tel al-Sultan attack

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    Improved to Good Article status by Personisinsterest (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Personisinsterest (talk) 12:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Smallangryplanet (talk) 09:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Naz Arıcı

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    * ... that several-times international champion adult figure skater Naz Arıcı started ice skating from scratch at the age of 29?

    • Source: "İkiz gibi büyüdüğü arkadaşı ölünce kararını verdi! 29 yaşında başladı, 5 kez şampiyon oldu", "29 yaşında sıfırdan başladığı buz pateninde 32 yaşında yetişkinler artistik buz pateni dünya şampiyonu oldu." [21]
    • ALT1: ... that electrical/electronics engineer Naz Arıcı quit her profession at the age of 34 to devote herself to competitions of adult figure skating she started when she was 29? Source: "... Naz Arıcı,“İlk şampiyonluğumdan sonra 2016 da katılacağım yarışma için işimi bıraktım ..." [22]", "29 yaşında sıfırdan başladığı buz pateninde 32 yaşında yetişkinler artistik buz pateni dünya şampiyonu oldu." [23]
    • ALT2: ... that Naz Arıcı paved the way to the establishment of the adult figure skating branch in Turkey in 2016? Source: " Yetişkinler dalını 2015 yılında dünyada aldığı ilk şampiyonlukla (15 ülkeden 38 kişinin katıldığı Naz’ın ilk yarışması) Türkiye’ye getirdi ve 2016 yılında ülkemize yeni bir dalın açılmasını sağladı." [24]
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Arthur France
    Created by CeeGee (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 223 past nominations.

    CeeGee 11:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: No - n
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: I was excited to see this bio at DYK, since I work on figure skating articles, too, and I value creating and improving fs articles, especially ones about women skaters. Such a beautiful story about adult figure skating in Turkey. However and unfortunately, I don't think that this bio is ready for the main page. The bio uses, for example, overly promotional and puffery language, such as most of the third paragraph in the "Early life" section. Much of the prose also suffers from awkward wording in English as well. The hooks for this DYK suffers from similar issues; all hooks are worded awkwardly. It's awkward in English, for example, to state that one starts something from scratch. Rather, it should read something like this: ALT3:... that several-times international champion adult figure skater Naz Arıcı, with no previous experience, first learned how to figure skate the age of 29? Since I don't know Turkish and depend entirely on Google Translate, I'm AGF that the sources are accurately cited and worded and that there's no plagiarism. I think that if you worked on the article's prose, improving the hooks would be an easy fix. Please understand that I'm not being disrespectful, but I'm coming from a place of valuing the sport of figure skating on WP. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    ALT3: ... that several-times international champion adult figure skater Naz Arıcı, with no previous experience, first learned how to figure skate at the age of 29?

    Peanut (squirrel)

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    Created by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 256 past nominations.

    Launchballer 22:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    ALT1... that the death of squirrel named Peanut was a Republican rallying cry in the last days before the 2024 United States presidential election? Source: Washington Post Thriley (talk) 20:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Grammar! "a" squirrel Johnbod (talk) 21:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    ALT2... that Peanut the squirrel was taken from his home by New York State and euthanized soon after? Johnbod (talk) 21:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Eastern Venus

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    Eastern Venus at Kobe
    Eastern Venus at Kobe
    • ... that on the ship Eastern Venus (pictured), the "Modern" suite is not in modern style?
    "The largest cabins onboard Pacific Venus are 4 Royal Suites (65 m2) located behind the bridge, named "Archaic" (1001), "Modern" (1002), "Elegant" (1003), "Noble" (1004). They are decorated in two styles, with "Modern" and "Archaic" in traditional Japanese style, "Noble" and "Elegant" being more contemporary."
      • Reviewed:
    Created by Memer15151 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Puff-puff (onomatopoeia)

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    Improved to Good Article status by Cukie Gherkin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Cukie Gherkin (talk) 04:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on November 3

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    Jordan Watkins

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    • Source: Clarion Ledger ("Much has changed for Ole Miss football receiver Jordan Watkins recently. Two weeks ago, he had a different life perspectiv, and he'd never had a multi-touchdown game ... Watkins was a huge part of Ole Miss' offensive explosion. He had eight catches for 254 yards and five touchdowns. ... The five receiving touchdowns are also a record")
    5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 270 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Moe's Books

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    • ... that in 2016, two thieves stole a van filled with $350,000 worth of rare books in Oakland, California, and tried to sell first editions of William Faulkner and Cormac McCarthy to Moe's Books nearby?
    • Source: He’s been in the book dealing business for more than 15 years, but Lawrence Van De Carr said he’d never come across such a jewel of a title: a mint copy of Isaac Asimov’s 1950 classic “I, Robot” valued at $8,500.

    That novel, once a prized possession of Van De Carr’s, is now gone, along with around 400 of his other books worth well over $350,000. Someone stole his van while it was parked outside a friend’s Oakland home this week.

    Joshua Anderson, 30, went to Moe’s Books in Berkeley shortly after the bookseller’ association sent out an alert. He and an alleged accomplice had four books, valued around $14,000, that they were trying to sell, said John Wong, manager at the store.

    Among the classic first-editions they were trying to deal were “A Hornbook for Witches: Poems of Fantasy” by Leah Bodine Drake, one of only 563 known copies; “No Country for Old Men” by McCarthy, “Always Comes Evening” by Robert E. Howard, and “Pylon” by William Faulkner.

    Source: SFGate (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Van-filled-with-350-000-rare-books-stolen-in-6843521.php)
      • Reviewed:
    Converted from a redirect by Phibeatrice (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Phibeatrice (talk) 23:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Ethanoligenens harbinense

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    5x expanded by Hmsuth4770 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Hmsuth4770 (talk) 17:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Technically, it's not far off, but either way it's a few hundred off 1,500 characters and very stubby. I say give @Hmsuth4770: a chance.--Launchballer 22:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ian (Wiki Ed), this actually almost a 5x expansion: 235 prose characters prior to the recent edits, and 1102 at present (5x would be 1175). However, it fails to meet the 1500 prose character minimum required of every article nominated for DYK. When nominators come up short—mainly because they're not counting prose characters, which DYK check can count for you—we typically allow them to expand the nominated article, if they can do so in a timely manner. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ian (Wiki Ed) and Hmsuth4770: Please address the above.--Launchballer 02:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's fine. I'll let a reviewer adjudicate as to whether the stub tag is deserved.--Launchballer 17:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 400 metres

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    Femke Bol wins the 400 m
    Femke Bol wins the 400 m
    • Source: "1 49.26 Femke BOL 23 FEB 2000 NED 1 Omnisport, Apeldoorn (NED) (i) 19 FEB 2023 1269" / "3 49.85 Femke BOL 23 FEB 2000 NED 1 Ataköy Arena, Istanbul (TUR) (i) 04 MAR 2023 1245" / "4 49.96 Femke BOL 23 FEB 2000 NED 1f3 L'Anneau-Halle d'athlétisme de Metz, Metz (FRA) (i) 11 FEB 2023 1240" (link)
    5x expanded by Editør (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

    Editør (talk) 11:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    ALT1 ... that Femke Bol won the women's 400 metres at the 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships (final pictured) successfully defending her 400 metres indoor title from 2021?
    Source: "While Warholm likes to inflict his damage over the opening 200m, Bol’s trademark is tearing her rivals to shreds over the latter half. That was again the case here, the defending champion opening broad daylight between her and her rivals down the back straight and looking magnificently majestic as she strode to the finish in 49.85, with Klaver winning silver in 50.57 and Poland’s Anna Kielbasinska taking bronze in 51.25." (link)
    – Editør (talk) 10:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This DYK may be scheduled during the 2025 European Athletics Indoor Championships, with round 1 for this event on 7 March 2025. – Editør (talk) 15:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on November 4

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    Clifton House School, Harold Styan

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    Created by Storye book (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 110 past nominations.

    Storye book (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • I'm not yet sure if I will give this a full review, so I'll just leave this as a comment for now. Although the angle provided meets DYKINT, I have reservations if it meets the guidelines. For one, both hooks may need a trimming (it might be better to focus on the "two attackers were knocked out" angle alone without mentioning the gymnast or music hall clauses). More importantly, I'm not sure if the hooks as currently written meet WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE, specifically the part about avoiding writing hooks where the bolded article is only tangentially related to the main hook fact (the hooks seem to be more about Styan than the school itself). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • ALT0 is 155 characters. According to the link you provided about trimming, it is ideal length.
    • ALT1 is 180 characters. Being 180 characters is not a trimming issue by itself.
    • Styan was a big part of that school, as can be seen in the article. There is plenty of material about him in the article, because he was a big presence there. If our readers click on the bold link, they will read more about Styan there than anywhere else online. Therefore he is relevant to the hook.
    • Meanwhile I'll go and find an extra hook or two, anyway. Storye book (talk) 10:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • ALT2: ... Clifton House School formed a scout pack which received an award from Lord Baden Powell for "best pack the United Kingdom"? Source: Neesam, Malcolm (26 February 1999). "Lord Baden Powell on the Stray". Harrogate Advertiser and Weekly List of the Visitors. p. 7 col.4. Retrieved 30 October 2024 – via British Newspaper Archive. "Lord Baden Powell was in Harrogate for the special purpose of presenting Peter's Pole to the Clifton House School Pack, which had won the award of best pack in the United Kingdom, an exceptional commendation".
    • ALT0a: ... that sports teacher Harold Styan of Clifton House School played the music halls when young, and knocked out two attackers in his old age? Source as above
    • ALT0b: ... that Clifton House School's sports teacher Harold Styan played the music halls when young, and knocked out two attackers in his old age? Source as above Storye book (talk) 11:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One issue is that, while not an official rule or guidelines, it is usually discouraged to mention people without articles by name in hooks. I'm not sure how strict that practice is, but it's been brought up many times in the past. In any case, it might be necessary to remove Styan's name from the hooks. As for the trimming part, the wording I had was something like "... that a Clifton House School sports teacher knocked out two attackers in his old age?", which is more straightforward. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think your suggestion is appropriate, because this was an expensive private school, and Styan had the Order of the British Empire for his youth work. In other words, he was a hero and teacher, not a gangster. The hooks that I gave suggest that he was a complicated and interesting character, but your hook suggests that he might be just some kind of felon or that he ultimately developed dementia. If there is no specific rule against using his name, then I don't see why we should remove it. However I shall look at that section of the article and see whether there is enough there to make Styan into a separate article, then the hooks will have his name in lights, and this nom will be a double nom. Storye book (talk) 16:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Update. I am separating the two articles, but it will take a day or two. Thank you for your patience. Please note that the Harold Styan link is currently a redirect to Clifton House School. I shall correct that when I publish his article. Storye book (talk) 18:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not a rule that's formally codified and thus not in the guidelines, but I remember it being discouraged before. I think Theleekycauldron might know about it. In any case, if the hook becomes a double nom then that particular issue becomes moot. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    see WP:DYKG#C1 theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not sure what you are referring to, Leeky, but the redirect is temporary on this page as explained above, and not intended for publication on the Main Page. I have nearly finished Styan's own page, and hope to publish today or tomorrow (when the redirect will resolve to a direct link). Thank you for your patience. Storye book (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sounds good to me! :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    James Michael Reardon

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    Msgr. Reardon speaking in the Basilica of Saint Mary
    Msgr. Reardon speaking in the Basilica of Saint Mary
    Created by Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 02:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Palaeotherium

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    Palaeotherium medium skull, first described in 1782.
    Palaeotherium medium skull, first described in 1782.
    • ... that a skull of the distant horse relative Palaeotherium (pictured) was first described as belonging to an amphibian then later to a canine?
    • Source: Chapter 10: From Quarry to Paper. Cuvier's Three Epistemological Cultures; Sur les ossemens qui se trouvent dans le gypse de Montmartre"
    Improved to Good Article status by PrimalMustelid (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

    PrimalMustelid (talk) 23:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Pro-Fatimid conspiracy against Saladin

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    Improved to Good Article status by Cplakidas (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 145 past nominations.

    Constantine ✍ 19:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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    Revelation of the Magi

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    • Source: Landau, Brent (2017). "Under the Influence (of the Magi): Did Hallucinogens Play a Role in the Inspired Composition of the Pseudepigraphic Revelation for the Magi?". In Fakes, Forgeries, and Fictions, a monograph collection. It's not online... but you can read chapter titles at https://www.tonyburke.ca/fakes-forgeries-and-fictions/ ... and I think just the title of this work is sufficient!

    I prefer the original or ALT1. Providing ALT2 mostly in case people really, really don't want to include the drug use. (I don't think ALT2 fails the DYKFICTION as fiction & mythology are two different things IMO and describing mythology / religion is okay, but mentioning that issue here if you want to be a stickler about real-world stuff.)

    Converted from a redirect by SnowFire (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

    SnowFire (talk) 21:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Oasis (Minecraft clone)

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    Created by Johnson524 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Loytra (talk) 13:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Comment The disambiguation is incorrect - if this is considered a video game, then per WP:NCVGDAB it should be (2024 video game) instead (since there is already a 2005 video game of the same name). That said, I am not sure I would consider it a video game, given that it does not work according to anything but dream logic, and is more of a vague approximation of a game. Therefore, (simulation) or (AI simulation) could be a better disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • If it's not clear exactly what Oasis is, then why would the disambiguation be considered incorrect? The software is most notable for being a clone of Minecraft, surely that should be mentioned in the title for clarity sake? Hell, half the time it's referred to as "AI Minecraft" rather than its actual name. Loytra (talk) 01:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • It is incorrect because "Minecraft clone" is overly specific and therefore goes against disambiguation guidelines. It is like using (black dog with long fur and floppy ears) instead of (dog). It must be made more broad, whether by calling it "video game" or "simulation". Furthermore, calling it a "clone" may in fact be incorrect. It is literally Minecraft, as played by interpreting the game through an AI, whereas "clone" is typically used to describe games that are similar to, but not identical to another. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • Most of the sources referenced in the article describe it as a "version of Minecraft" or simply "AI-generated Minecraft". It really isn't commonly referred to as "Oasis"; I don't think most people would recognise the software if it was under the title "Oasis (2024 video game)" or "Oasis (simulation)". Imo it has to have "Minecraft" in the title. I know naming conventions are pretty strict but I'd almost argue that this is an WP:IAR situation. Loytra (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • I can confidently say it's not an IAR situation. After looking at the sources more, I am convinced that (AI model) is the best DAB for this as it is first and foremost a model that can be "played" using a game interface. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. I don't think arguing over the title should block this from DYK. Only truly egregiously wrong titles would cause that kind of problem, and the current title is clearly not that bad - as noted, the COMMONNAME is something like "AI Minecraft". (And I don't think the case is as open-and-shut as Zxc thinks it is, either.) Zxc, you should file a WP:RM and see what the community thinks IMO. SnowFire (talk) 19:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree. Its now time to keep discussion in this template related to DYK reviews and any discussion about the name of this article, should take place via an RM and any discussion about improving this article should take place at the relevant talk page. Article titles are outside the scope of a DYK review. side note: sounds like I'm a forum moderator at this point JuniperChill (talk) 16:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    A reviewer is needed for this nomination. Z1720 (talk) 15:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Abortion in Kyrgyzstan

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    Created by PhoenixCaelestis (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    -Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 15:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • @PhoenixCaelestis: The article looks good. No copyvios. QPQ not needed. Hook is interesting. I would add a link to haram. In the sources I was unable to find the part that said that it is haram, and that women refuse to do it for this reason. I see that part about that woman in Osh, but the source doesn't say the "haram" bit. Could you provide one that does say "haram" please? ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Panamitsu: I've added a link to haram, and here's a source for the part on whether or not abortion is haram. It is from the Australian National Imams Council, an organization of mosque leaders.

    https://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/THE-ISLAMIC-POSITION-ON-ABORTION.pdf

    ―PhoenixCaelestis (talk) 07:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • @PhoenixCaelestis: Thank you for working on this article. The source you suggest states the formal position as haram, but I do not see information in the article or the source you added to support the statement "that women refuse to do it for this reason". You need statistics if you want to support this claim. The only case mentioned is one woman doctor who says that she is now afraid to counsel people about abortion. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:18, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Mary Mark Ockerbloom: I've added two more sources to the article to back the claim, and I will provide them here as well.

    https://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/Review/responses/KYRGYZSTAN-English.pdf https://europe.ippf.org/blogs/kyrgyzstans-cocktail-conservatism-and-apathy-bitter-draught-women

    -Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 13:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • @PhoenixCaelestis: The new sources generally talk about culture and issues in medical care for women, but I don't see that either one clearly presents either a claim or evidence that many women refuse to go through with abortion because it is considered haram. One source even comments (without data?) that women may be more likely to get abortions because contraception is costly. The sources are also not very current. I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I think you'll need to either rephrase the hook or find more explicit sources that clearly support what you state. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The hook is very unlikely to be true. In addition to what Mary Mark Ockerbloom wrote, I should also note that the claim that abortion is haram is in itself either misleading or outright incorrect, as explained by Islam and abortion. Each of the four Sunni schools considers abortion permitted but under different circumstances, and the dominant school in Kyrgyzstan is the one that is most permitting regarding abortion. Surtsicna (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PhoenixCaelestis: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Miss Shampoo

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    Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.

    Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    1. ^ 祁玲 (25 July 2023). "【洗頭妹之戀3】宋芸樺狂洗60顆頭還要當保母 春風髮型百變任他玩". Mirror Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 3 November 2024. 宋芸樺為了阿芬這個角色瘦身5公斤，符合劇中展現小蠻腰的洗頭妹造型，還花了不少時間學習剪髮和洗頭。她在2個月內找了5間髮廊，先跟2家傳統家庭理髮的阿姨學洗頭，再去3家較為現代的髮廊學按摩，同時多方了解髮型助理的生活。 [Vivian Sung lost 5 kilograms for her role as Fen to achieve the small waist look of the hairstylist in the film, and she also spent considerable time learning how to hairstyling and hairwashing. Within two months, she visited five salons, first learning how to wash hair from a couple of traditional family hairdressers, and then going to three more modern salons to learn about massage, while gaining insights into the life of a hairstylist.]
    2. ^ 羅子欣 (18 July 2023). "柯震東被狗撞傷「春風天天打電話」 場景太逼真竟騙到居民". TVBS News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 19 August 2024. Retrieved 19 August 2024. 劇組特別在西門町重現片中重要場景「美滿理髮廳」，不僅是男女主角春風、宋芸樺第一次見面的地方，也是彼此逐漸產生情愫的定情之地，其實美滿理髮廳全是劇組設計、裝潢而成的，甚至在拍片時，還有當地居民誤以為是真的，走進來說要剪髮 [The production crew specifically recreated the main set "Mei-mun Hair Salon" in Ximending, which is not only the place where the male and female leads, Daniel Hong and Vivian Sung, first meet but also becomes the location where their feelings for each other gradually develop. In fact, the Mei-mun Hair Salon was entirely designed and built by the crew, and during filming, some local residents mistakenly thought it was a real shop and walked in asking for haircuts.]
    3. ^ 祁玲 (25 July 2023). "【洗頭妹之戀4】劇組擬以它為藍本打造理髮廳 遭九把刀否決有原因". Mirror Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 3 November 2024. 鄭昀從劇本階段就跟著九把刀，在前製期處理許多相關事宜，例如因應劇情需要尋找棒球隊合作拍攝，卻因台詞問題屢次遭拒，最後花很多時間才找到願意參與的球隊。 [Cheng Yun followed Giddens Ko from the scriptwriting phase and handled many pre-production issues, such as seeking baseball teams for collaboration based on the storyline. However, due to concerns about the dialogue, they were repeatedly rejected, and it ultimately took a lot of time to find a team willing to participate.]
    4. ^ 蕭采薇 (5 July 2023). "樂天神秘球員鄭旭翔是誰！長超像禾浩辰？ 原來跟九把刀新片有關". ETtoday (in Chinese). Retrieved 4 November 2024. 職棒「樂天桃猿」近來在社群上公告將有球員赴日挑戰，包括「全壘打王」廖健富、「最強中繼投手」賴鴻誠、「經典賽戰將」成晉都相繼給予祝福。而該球員公開為「鄭旭翔」，陌生的名字讓球迷一頭霧水，原來是九把刀最新作品《請問，還有哪裡需要加強？》裡的角色，由有健美體魄的禾浩辰飾演。 [The baseball team Rakuten Monkeys recently announced on social media that several players will head to Japan for challenges, including the "Home run king" Liao Chien-fu, "Top relief pitcher" Lai Hung-cheng, and "Classic tournament warrior" Cheng Chin, all of whom expressed their blessings. The player in question is "Cheng Hsu-hsiang", an unfamiliar name that left fans confused; it turns out he is a character from Giddens Ko's latest work Miss Shampoo, played by the muscular Bruce Hung.]
    5. ^ 祁玲 (25 July 2023). "【洗頭妹之戀2】黃立成反悔大哥換人當 春風有喜感拚演技大躍進". Mirror Media (in Chinese). Retrieved 3 November 2024. 對此九把刀說：「當時麻吉大哥（黃立成）自己要當主角，就變得超級沒有成本概念，什麼都可以。」後來團隊建議黃立成上表演課，他上完課就反悔不演了，並力薦由春風取代，如此確定男主角人選。 / 過程中發生一件插曲，初期雖已定案，黃立成仍一直打電話給九把刀，叫他不要拍《請問》，改拍另一部多年前籌備卻因故停拍的《功夫》，但九把刀那時只想拍洗頭妹的故事。九把刀說：「麻吉大哥就像小朋友一樣嚷著要拍《功夫》，最後我們決定要拍這個故事時，他就以祝福的心情看著，加上我有用他很喜歡的春風，他的內心應該是peace（平靜）的。」 [In response, Giddens Ko said, "At that time, my buddy (Jeffrey Huang) wanted to be the main character, so we became completely cost-blind and thought anything was possible.' Later, the crew suggested that Huang take acting classes, but after completing them, he changed his mind and decided not to act, recommending Daniel Hong as a replacement, thus confirming the male lead. / During the process, there was an incident where, although the decision had already been made, Jeffrey Huang kept calling Giddens Ko, urging him not to make Miss Shampoo and instead to film another project, Kung Fu, which had been in preparation for years but was halted for various reasons. However, Giddens Ko only wanted to tell the story of the hairstylist. Giddens Ko remarked, 'My buddy was like a child insisting on making Kung Fu, but when we decided to make this story, he looked on with a blessing heart. Plus, I had him cast Daniel Hong, who he really liked, in a role, so he should have felt at peace inside.]

    Gohobi

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    Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 109 past nominations.

    Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • @Narutolovehinata5:, Thanks for the article. This is a suggestion: could you expand the article slightly to give some idea of what it means to have a "tofu mentality"? For those of us who won't be able to read the original sources if we click through, the current Wikipedia article gives no explanation of the hook. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For what it's worth, the sources regarding the band only use "tofu mentality" without further elaboration (other than it was a term they gave to themselves), so I can't really add more to the article without doing original research. Technically, in Japanese, the term "tofu mentality" means something similar to what English speakers would call a "snowflake", although the article uses a literal translation of "豆腐メンタル" rather than the translated version (which is probably still accurate since the literal meaning is correct in Japanese). The full explanation about what the term means would probably not work for the band's article since it would delve into original research or even WP:COAT, but that's the explanation for context. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    jp:豆腐メンタル maps to Snowflake (slang), so maybe a piped link to Snowflake (slang) in the hook would suffice?
    have created redirect for tofu mentality, and updating hook below -Bogger (talk) 15:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT0A... that the Japanese band Gohobi describes themselves as having a tofu mentality? (same source) -Bogger (talk) 14:43, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I actually think the link would distract from the main article and divert clicks, so linking in the hook might not be a good idea. Should be fine for the article, though. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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    Perplexities after Escher

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    Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2125 past nominations.

    Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Will leave this to another reviewer, but a shortened version of ALT1 would probably be a good option:
    ALT2 ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for the heckelphone, was composed to commemorate the instrument's 120th anniversary?
    ALT2a ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for the heckelphone, was composed for the instrument's 120th anniversary?
    ALT2b ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for the heckelphone, was composed as part of the instrument's 120th anniversary celebrations?
    Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    After giving this some thoughts, I've struck the original hook and ALT1. The original hook is unlikely to be perceived as interesting to those who are not specialists in classical music or art, and the second hook's wording is a bit weird and its point is probably better expressed by the ALT2 variations. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know what your "some thoughts" were. The fact that this music is not for heckelphone alone, but for an interesting group of chamber musicians, including double bass - these poor people otherwise have just the Trout Quintet - is key to the music, and being able to see one of the inspiring images has nothing to do with classical music, and looking at pictures is no "specialist knowledge in art", to my understanding, but something that children can do. Therefore I actually prefer ALT0. The 120 years seems rather of "specialist" interest, no? Who cares if 110 or 130? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. ALT0 is a good hook. I've asked for it to be restored below. Viriditas (talk) 09:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: I think you may have been a little quick to dismiss ALT0, perhaps because of your previous experience with Gerda's hooks. I think ALT0 is far from obscure as you describe it; Escher has high name recognition in the US and Europe, and the fact that there's a classical composition based on five of his art works is about as interesting as it gets. I would therefore ask you to restore ALT0. Viriditas (talk) 09:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I propose a rebooted ALT0 as ALT0a below:
    ALT0a ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for heckelphone, string quartet and double bass, is based on five graphic artworks by M. C. Escher?
    Thank you. I add the link to the specific image especially for those general readers who (inspite of the bestseller Gödel, Escher, Bach) would not immediately recognize Escher. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ps: I wonder about the copyright of that image. Could we perhaps even include it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We could leave the final choice to the reviewer, but for what it's worth, saying that ALT0/ALT0a works because Escher is well-known in those regions could come off as Western-centric or a case of systemic bias. Not all regions in the world are familiar with him, and I imagine that while he might be well known among art circles there, among the general public perhaps not as much. Just speaking from a non-American or non-European perspective here (or to be specific, an Asian perspective). I also suspect that, regardless, the Escher angle will be less likely to get readership interest as it's somewhat more specialist than the alternative (the main point of the hook requiring knowing who Escher is). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See M.C. Escher's Legacy: A Centennial Celebration (2007)[2003] ISBN 978-3-540-28849-7: Exhibitions in 1998, the centennial year of his birth, "were held in Brazil, Mexico, The Czech Republic, Hong Kong, Great Britain, China, Greece, Italy, Argentina, Canada, Holland, and Peru." (83) "The Japanese artist Shigeo Fukuda built an accurate model of Escher's Belvedere". (229) However, at the same time, the NYT tried to deny Escher any legitimacy in the artworld, claiming he was a "nonartist" outside of niche circles of mathematicians, physicists, crystallographers, visual perception experts, and of course, psychedelic adventurers. (p. V, see "Smith, Roberta, "Just a Nonartist in the Art World, But Endlessly Seen and Cited," The New York Times, January 21, 1998, E1, E3.) Why the NYT has a habit of making such crazy, overtly false statements is anyone's guess (their downplaying of famous historical events like the Holocaust is well known, doubly ironic since Sulzberger, their publisher, was Jewish). Viriditas (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is a link to Escher, and one to heckelphone. People able to click on a link will then know who Escher and when the heckelphone was introduced. To tell people when the heckelphone was introduced as practically the only information of a hook seems pretty senseless to me, the longer I think about it. It's about music, no? - Kindly unstrike ALT0 and leave it to a reviewer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For what it's worth, I just did an informal survey over at Discord and most of the responses did say they're familiar with him, so there's that and appears that I'm mistaken. We can probably leave ALT0a as an option for the reviewer, but ALT0 still has extra details and we'd rather avoid those whenever possible. Regardless of Escher, WP:DYKTRIM remains relevant. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    With several ALT hooks proposed, a new reviewer is needed to evaluate the article, ensure the hooks are approved, and give comments on which they think are the most interesting. Z1720 (talk) 15:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    René Vallon

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    • ... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved both the first flight and first flight-related death in China?
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 703 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    With multiple ALT hooks proposed, a reviewer is needed to ensure the article and hooks are approved, and to comment on which ones are the most interesting. Z1720 (talk) 15:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dostrotime

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    • Source: On 23 January 2024, the music video for the lead single "Wendorlan" was released on YouTube. The visuals for the music video were made by Jenkinson himself, using an oscilloscope. It was filmed in one take and, according to Jenkinson, he used "custom processing to generate the XY signal from components of track audio and control data". https://thequietus.com/news/squarepusher-wendorlan/
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    Created by Beachweak (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Beachweak (talk) 12:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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    Kwan Man-ching

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    Kwan Man-ching
    Kwan Man-ching
    • Source: Chung, Stephanie (2022). "From Silent Films to Talkies: Rediscovering Moon Kwan Man-ching". Exploring Hong Kong Films of the 1930s and 1940s: Part 1: Era and Film History (PDF). Translated by Chin, Roberta. Hong Kong: Hong Kong Film Archive. pp. 32–49. ISBN 978-962-8050-77-2. Archived from the original (PDF) on 15 March 2023. Retrieved 7 November 2024. "Later, Kwan would reminisce that his choice to commit to the film industry in his youth was not only a way of survival, but also because of his wish to revitalise China’s industry. He also chose film because of its ability to subtly influence, making it a good tool to educate the people. Another reason was because he was very attracted to actress Mary Pickford, and had hoped for an opportunity to get close to her in the film studio." Number of films is listed at "關文清 Moon Kwan / Kwan Man Ching (1896-1995)". 香港電影導演大全, 1914-1978 [The Ultimate Guide to Hong Kong Film Directors, 1914-1978] (in Chinese). Hong Kong: Hong Kong Film Directors Guild. 2018. ISBN 978-988-12666-0-6. (I count more than sixty).
    • ALT1: ... that Kwan Man-ching (pictured) advised D. W. Griffith to forego queues with Broken Blossoms? Source: Lester, Jason (2023). Experiments with China in American Modernity (Thesis). University of Oregon – via ProQuest. "Whereas Kwan positioned himself in relation to signifiers of classical Chinese tradition in his endeavors within poetry and fine art, he went to great lengths in Griffith’s production to advocate for the modernity of the Chinese people. He persuaded Griffith against the Chinese protagonist of the film wearing a queue, arguing it would be woefully anachronistic for a narrative taking place in the current day."
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rei Nakashima
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 704 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Organization of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

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    Moved to mainspace by John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

    John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 00:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Petergofsky District

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    • Source: M. Mitelʹman. Борьба партии большевиков за упрочение советской власти (1917- 1918 гг.). Политиздат при ЦК ВКП(б), 1940. p. 20
    Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 410 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 23:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Bunt sind schon die Wälder

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    J. F. Reichardt
    Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2124 past nominations.

    Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Thank you for this interesting article. I would like to hear this one. A few comments:

    • Earwig finds only quotations and proper names. No problem there.
    • The hook citation (above) for ALT0 was not in the article, so I added it there. I also gave the article a very minor copyedit. That does not affect this DYK review.
    • One issue: The citation given above for ALT0 does not confirm popularity. Popularity is mentioned in the name of the website, but not in the main text of the website. Also, the website name says (if I understand correctly) "popular and traditional lieder", so according to that, this piece could be in traditional style (which does not imply popularity). So I think we need to EITHER find another citation OR another hook. Storye book (talk) 11:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Storye book: Not really a fan of the proposed hook, since the context given does not seem to make it clear why it is important that it has remained popular, and the context of it remaining popular is not clear (what is intended by "remained popular"?). I was going to suggest a hook involving Schubert, but the meaning of "different setting" is not clear: does it mean he wrote another melody to the song, or that Reichardt's melody was later re-used by Schubert? If it's the latter then perhaps that could work as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The wording I had in mind was something like "... that the melody of "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) was later used by Franz Schubert?", but I'm not sure if that was the intended context of the "Schubert wrote a different setting" part. That suggestion could probably still be worked on, I just threw it out here for brainstorming purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you - both - for thinking. I am open to rewording. Grammar: in German, "und" says that something is both, both traditional and popular", - if it was only one, German would use "oder". As you will have seen, there were multiple melodies, before and after, but this is the one in most publications, recorded, sung. Take Hannes Wader, a singer-songwriter himself: singing that old melody. (yt at the bottom) - Schubert wrote a different setting (= different melody + different piano), which didn't become popular, - note that only one of the uses mentioned has his version, - it remained for art singers and higher school education. What word would you choose instead of "popular" for: is the one that people know and sing? Schubert is really only a side note here, his setting didn't get popular in any sense, it's not Erlkönig. I didn't know he wrote a melody, but now he wrote 700 (as DYK once informed us). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Would it help to add that it was recorded among the "80 most popular Volkslieder" [37]. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The new reference given by Gerda Arendt is satisfactory, and it explains the meaning of popularity in the article's context. Gerda, could you please give us an ALT1, and put the new sentence and citation in the article? Thank you. Storye book (talk) 08:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Storye bookYou mean a sentence about that collection? (In another nom, someone mentioned "promotional". Anyway, ref added, which supports "remained popular. Will search for more. As a little gift: a children's tv version ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I added two more indications of popularity, a 2011 poll and a 2017 collection. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT0a: ... that the Volkslied "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) has remained popular with the 1799 melody by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured)?
    to avoid the impression that only the melody remained popular. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, Gerda. The citation is now in the article, and I approve ALT0a, with image. Storye book (talk) 09:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Pulling this per this discussion. Jlwoodwa raised concerns that the hook was hard to understand. In addition, the hook at best probably borderline meets WP:DYKINT. Some possible alternative suggestions:
    Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    for ALT 1 or 1a, subject to Gerda Arendt's approval. Storye book (talk) 09:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am sorry that I wrote so misleading. Not true. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gerda Arendt: As far as I can see, you have not written anything misleading or untrue. Please explain? Thanks.
    Regarding the word, "popular", in the discussion someone appeared confused by the word, presumably because they lived in a world so narrow that they did not know that "popular music" is a subsidiary meaning of "popular", which has for hundreds of years just meant that a lot of people liked something. Storye book (talk) 10:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The poll had 20 suggestions without Herbstlied. IT was No. 2 of the additional ones. - Please word for me. A song with a 1799 tune is still popular. The song hast a longish title in German, which I thought was good to translate. The title could mean anything, so we have to say what it is if you ask me. As you will not have noticed the hook is a bit quirky because with a composed melody it's not what you'd expect a Volkslied to be. Why would we not credit the composer who won over Schubert in popularity? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT2 ... that the folk-style melody for "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" was composed long ago by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) and it is still liked by many?
    ALT1b .... that radio listeners voted "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" second in their suggested list of the most beautiful German folk songs? (See Gerda's comment above, regarding this one). Storye book (talk) 11:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Third party required to approve ALT2 and/or ALT1b only. Storye book (talk) 11:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think ALT1b would get us into trouble with ERRORS because it's more No. 22, and tough to explain with the 20 from the station. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I really don't think ALT2 as currently written is going to work out. It's rather vague and basically says "did you know that this song written long ago is still popular?", which actually isn't all that uncommon. It would be like a hook saying "that the folk song "Yankee Doodle" from the 1700s remains popular?" I still think something about the poll would be the best option here, although if that really can't work out then either a completely different angle be suggested here, or the nomination be rejected for lack of a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Death of Milton King

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    • Source: Source 1: Cobley, Alan Gregor (June 1992). "'Far from home': the origins and significance of the Afro‐Caribbean community in South Africa to 1930". Journal of Southern African Studies. 18 (2): 349–370. doi:10.1080/03057079208708318. Source 2: "West Indies Boycott South African Goods". Rand Daily Mail. Johannesburg, South Africa. October 10, 1951. p. 4.
    Improved to Good Article status by SunTunnels (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    SunTunnels (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Artur Bubnevych

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    Created by Maximilian775 (talk) and Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

    Maximilian775 (talk) 20:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Canaanite ivory comb

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    • ... that the Canaanite ivory comb that contains the earliest sentence in a phonetic alphabet was categorized as a miscellaneous artifact for five years before gaining significance as an important discovery?
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    • Comment: An image would be excellent for this entry. The images are there in the internet but I have been unable to find a suitable one that can be uploaded to commons with proper licensing. Please help me find/upload a picture for this artifact.
    Created by Raydann (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 20:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Comment: So, between 2004 and 2010 or so, I did a lot of reading about artifacts like this. It turns out that it is extremely common for items like this to be set aside for years, decades, perhaps even a century or more, before someone comes along and decides to give them a second look. I only bring this up because while I like your hook, I could see others objecting to it as mundane. Viriditas (talk) 23:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Jim Rivaldo

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    • Source: [38] Politics was as much a passion as a job for Jim Rivaldo, a veteran San Francisco political consultant who worked campaigns for candidates ranging from Harvey Milk and Ella Hill Hutch to Supervisor Bevin Dufty and District Attorney Kamala Harris.
    Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

    — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 00:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    2014 NFC Championship Game

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    Moved to mainspace by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 50 past nominations.

    « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on November 9

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    The Heart Knows its Own Bitterness (Talmud)

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    • Source: current footnote 12: Berger, Zackary; Cahan, Rabbi Joshua (2016). "Patient Autonomy in Talmudic Context: The Patient's "I Must Eat" on Yom Kippur in the Light of Contemporary Bioethics". Journal of Religion and Health. 55 (5): 1778–1785: "Here, we analyze a discussion in the Mishna, a foundational text of rabbinic Judaism, regarding patient autonomy in the setting of religiously mandated fasting, and commentaries in the Babylonian and Palestinian Talmuds, finding both a more expansive notion of such autonomy and a potential metaphysical grounding for it in the importance of patient self-knowledge."
    • ALT1: ... that a Talmudic passage, "The Heart Knows its Own Bitterness", has been used to justify a rabbinic law project by and for transgender Jews? Source: current fn #5: Soloman, Laynie; Pearce, Russell G. (2022). "'Nothing about Us without Us': Toward a Liberatory Heterodox Halakha". Touro L. Rev. 37: 1769–1836 – via HeinOnline: ""The heart alone knows its bitterness" is not simply a mantra about the essential power of individuals to dictate their medical needs when confronted with a disputing party. This statement, as we have seen, becomes an interpretive principle that we can utilize to articulate a truth at the center of a vision of a liberatory Heterodox halakha that attempts to center the needs, realities, experiences, and expertise of the community from which it emerges. (1830)... The approaches to Heterodox halakhathat we have described thus far are the ideologies that ground the Trans Halakha Project, a recent initiative that "aims to curate existing resources that have been developed for trans Jews and by trans Jews..." (1832)
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Elin Falk
    • Comment: I'm very sorry, I lost track of the timing (because I put wrong creation date on my user page)! It's a few days over. But the hooks are short and clearly sourced, so hopefully easy to review.
    Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

    ProfGray (talk) 14:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Murakami T

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    • ... that Haruki Murakami once wrote an entire book of photos and essays about his T-shirt collection, titled Murakami T, when he wasn't "in the mood to write fiction"?
    • ALT1: ... that Haruki Murakami owns so many T-shirts that he collects them in "stacked-up cardboard boxes" and ended up publishing an entire book about them titled Murakami T? Source: T-shirts are one of those things which naturally pile up. They’re cheap, so whenever an interesting one catches my eye I buy it. People give me various novelty T-shirts from around the world, I get commemorative T-shirts whenever I run a marathon, and when I travel I often pick up a few, instead of bringing along extra clothes. Which is why the number of T-shirts in my life has skyrocketed, to the point where there’s no room in my drawers anymore and I have to store the overflow in stacked-up cardboard boxes.
      https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/27/an-accidental-collection
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    Created by Phibeatrice (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Phibeatrice (talk) 06:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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    Jill, Duchess of Hamilton

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    Created by Surtsicna (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 186 past nominations.

    Surtsicna (talk) 21:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    • Adequate sourcing: Yes
    • Neutral: No - I think consistently referring to Robertson as "the duchess", both in the title and throughout the article, despite her dislike for the title and her specific request for it to be removed from her byline, might cross the line of neutrality for me. Otherwise, it's all good.
    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Yes
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: The DYK submission itself looks good, I particularly like ALT0 and ALT1, and for the most part the article is quite good. But I can't help but feel like the use of the "duchess" title throughout the article and in the title crosses the line of non-neutrality, due to her explicit rejection of the title. This is really my main issue with it. Grnrchst (talk) 16:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Grnrchst, by the time she reached the height of her career she had not been called Robertson for over 30 years. She did not reject the title. She merely asked that it be removed from her byline. The Guardian, for example, gives her byline as "Jill Hamilton" but still calls her "duchess of Hamilton" in the description; the Catholic Herald just sticks with "Jill, Duchess of Hamilton". "Jill, Duchess of Hamilton" remains by far the most common name for her in reliable sources, including the obituaries cited in the article. I am not opposed to substituting some of the duchesses with "Hamilton", however. Surtsicna (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Surtsicna: Thanks for the clarification. Per WP:COMMONNAME, I've struck my concerns about the title. I think "the duchess" could safely be replaced in most cases with personal pronouns (she/her), as there's not any ambiguity introduced that requires us to continue repeating who we're talking about. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Planting a Rainbow

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    Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 532 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Nazareth Hall Preparatory Seminary

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    The relocated altar and baldachin of Nazareth Hall
    The relocated altar and baldachin of Nazareth Hall
    Improved to Good Article status by Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

    ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 14:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Hold Your Hand (film)

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    • ... that the film Hold Your Hand was based on the author's experiences after getting arrested in 2013?
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    Created by Miminity (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 10:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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    Artificial intelligence rhetoric

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    Created by Jpalmer770 (talk) and Skvader (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 52 past nominations.

    paul2520 💬 15:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    2011 Central Alabama tornado

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    EF5 18:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


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    Alien: Romulus

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    Sir Ian Holm in Edinburgh August 2004
    Sir Ian Holm in Edinburgh August 2004
    Improved to Good Article status by Lankyant (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    Lankyant (talk) 03:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    2007 Greensburg tornado

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    EF5 13:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


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    Austin Staats

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    • ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats' contract was suspended after he bit another player's finger?
    Created by SammySpartan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    SammySpartan (talk) 23:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    2025 Inter Miami CF season

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    SounderBruce 04:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Trey McKenney

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  • ALT1 that Trey McKenney led his last place basketball team to the final four for his state?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT2 that after Trey McKenney's basketball team finished in last place he led them to state championship the following year?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 367 past nominations.

    TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Israel Ta-Shma

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    • Source: Derovan, David (2007). "Ta-Shma, Israel Moses". In Berenbaum, Michael; Skolnik, Fred (eds.). Encyclopaedia Judaica. Vol. 19 (2nd ed.). Macmillan Reference USA, Keter Publishing House. p. 525. "first publication was a religious song book for IDF soldiers (1960) issued by the Chief Rabbinate of the IDF."
    Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    ProfGray (talk) 18:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Chrystal (musician)

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    Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 258 past nominations.

    Launchballer 17:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


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    Adrian Baril

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    • ... that NFL player Adrian Baril was also a fat men's racing champion?
    5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 273 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Shelley Luther

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    Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 272 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Mother Solomon

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    • Source: Marsh, Thelma R. (1984). Daughter of Grey Eyes: The Story of Mother Solomon. p. 41. OCLC 11815829. When John and Margaret arrived in their old village they had left twenty-two years earlier, there were only a few of the old buildings and sights as they remembered them.
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    Improved to Good Article status by Averageuntitleduser (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Averageuntitleduser (talk) 00:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Lower Chehalis people

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    • Source: "Indicative of their importance to foreign traders, the [HBC] sometimes set aside rooms on their ships anchored in Baker Bay ... for important Chehalis men and women." (Ruby, Brown & Collins, 2010, p. 163).
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    Moved to mainspace by PersusjCP (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    PersusjCP (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Upper Chehalis people

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    • ... that the Upper Chehalis people adopted horses widely after their introduction, becoming known as "equestrian" compared to their coastal neighbors?
    • Source: "In the mid-nineteenth century, Gibbs (1877:178) described the Upper Chehalis as 'equestrian in their habits.'" (Hajda, 1990, p. 508)
    "The facilities for grazing offered by this tract have induced in the occupants equestrian habits, which distinguish them from their neighbors. The number of their horses is, of course, inconsiderable, as compared with the tribes of the great plains, but has been sufficient to create an exception to the otherwise universal aquatic life of the coast region. The bands included are chiefly the Niskwallis [sic] proper and the Upper Tsihalis [sic]." (Gibbs, 1877, p. 169)
    Moved to mainspace by PersusjCP (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

    PersusjCP (talk) 16:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    The Last Dance (2024 film)

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    • ... that The Last Dance became the Hong Kong film with the highest opening day gross in history in November 2024?
    Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 24 past nominations.

    Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    1. ^ Soriano, Jianne (12 November 2024). "'The Last Dance' breaks record for the biggest opening day for a Hong Kong movie". Lifestyle Asia. Retrieved 14 November 2024. Don't confuse it with Venom: The Last Dance because the Hong Kong movie, The Last Dance just shattered box office records. The Dayo Wong-starrer raked in HKD 6 million on its opening day, breaking the record for the highest opening day gross for any Hong Kong movie in the city.
    2. ^ Lai, Alex (6 November 2024). "挑戰禁忌、蹈火重生！《破．地獄》：超渡自己，再來個不一樣的「舞照跳」". Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Retrieved 14 November 2024. 罕有供電影拍攝的東華義莊，月前絕無僅有開放讓公眾參觀，認識香港早期殮葬歷史。... 首次有香港電影主要於殯儀館和義莊取景，深入一般人覺得充滿禁忌的地方 [The Tung Wah Coffin Home, a rare location for film shoots, was opened to the public for the first time a month ago, allowing visitors to learn about Hong Kong's early funeral history. ... This marks the first time a Hong Kong film has been primarily shot in a funeral home and coffin depository, delving into a space that many consider taboo.]
    3. ^ 許育民 (23 October 2024). "破地獄｜黃子華學替先人著衫化妝 朱栢康衛詩雅一解謬誤｜專訪". HK01 (in Chinese). Retrieved 10 November 2024. 傳統上，女性其實是不能參與破地獄這工作，因為女性有月經，代表污穢。所以當衛詩雅前往學習時，師傅都有點意外︰「師傅不明白為何我要來學破地獄，這是傳統上不容許的，於是我們要解釋清楚故事是這樣的。」雖然是行內禁忌，但衛詩雅表示師傅們都表現開明，完全理解︰「他們不會覺得你是女人便一定不可以碰，對他們來說這是一個儀式。」 [Traditionally, women are not allowed to participate in performing Break Hell's Gate because menstruation is seen as a sign of impurity. When Michelle Wai went to learn, the master was somewhat surprised: "The master didn't understand why I wanted to learn Break Hell's Gate, as it is traditionally not permitted, so we had to explain that the story is like this". Although it is a taboo in the industry, Wai noted that the masters were open-minded and fairly considerate: "They do not think that just because you're a woman, you cannot participate. For them, it is merely a ritual".]
    4. ^ Lau, Nicholas (9 November 2024). "專訪《破．地獄》導演陳茂賢、女主角衛詩雅︰「忌諱以及驚恐，都是源於自己的無知」". Elle (in Chinese). Retrieved 14 November 2024. 然而一場疫情，陳茂賢經歷多位親友離世，跟他感情甚篤的外婆，更巧合地在他拍攝《不日成婚2》的第一天去世。「所以我寫了一場戲去紀念婆婆，那是可兒和婆婆的一場戲。拍完之後，我記得我跟製片、好像還有Michelle說：『我覺得已經可以探討這個問題，拍一部戲。』」他憶述。 [However, during the pandemic, Anselm Chan experienced the loss of several friends and family members, including his dear grandmother, who coincidentally passed away on the first day of filming Ready or Rot. "So I wrote a scene to commemorate my grandmother, which features a moment between her and the character. After filming, I remember telling the producer and possibly Michelle, 'I think we can explore this topic and make a film about it'", he recalled.]
    5. ^ "林家謙創作殺入影壇 為《破．地獄》獻唱處男電影主題曲". Bastille Post (in Chinese). 11 October 2024. Retrieved 10 November 2024. 至於電影公司是日更追加一個震撼彈，隆重公佈《破．地獄》電影主題曲將由唱作歌手林家謙親自創作並主唱，歌曲名字為《普渡眾生》，言簡意賅道出電影主軸「生死從不由己定，人身難得度眾生」。家謙花盡心思的這首歌曲更是他首度為電影獻唱主題曲 [The film company dropped another breaking news today, announcing that the theme song for The Last Dance would be personally composed and performed by singer-songwriter Terence Lam. The song, [also] titled "The Last Dance", succinctly captures the film's core message: "Life and death are never determined by oneself; it is rare to have the opportunity to save others". This song is particularly special as it marks Lam's first time contributing a theme song for a film.]
    6. ^ 莫匡堯 (10 November 2024). "破．地獄︱上映翌日速破千萬全年最快 紀錄拍住一部港產票房神話". HK01 (in Chinese). Retrieved 10 November 2024. 《破．地獄》以迅雷不及掩耳速度打破紀錄，超越本年度暫時最賣座作品《九龍城寨之圍城》三日破千萬的紀錄，亦比兩部同樣由黃子華主演的作品《毒舌大狀》在第二日結算破千萬、《飯戲攻心》在第五日破千萬的紀錄更快！看來只有子華能夠超越子華！ [The Last Dance broke record at an unbelievably quick speed, surpassing the previous record of grossing HKD$10 million in three days set by this year's top-grossing film, Twilight of the Warriors: Walled In, and even outpacing two other films starring Dayo Wong, including A Guilty Conscience, which reached HKD$10 million on its second day, and Table for Six, which did so on its fifth day! It appears that only Dayo Wong can outdo himself!]

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    Pflaumentoffel

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    Created by Thriley (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 153 past nominations.

    Thriley (talk) 18:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Operation Blooming Onion

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    Created by JJonahJackalope (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 54 past nominations.

    JJonahJackalope (talk) 21:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Moses sees Rabbi Akiva (Menachot 29b)

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    • Source: Zellentin, Holger (2023). Aras, Martina; Rizk, Charbel; Stosch, Klaus von (eds.). “Honour with Silence the Words of Your Creator” -- Moses’ Silence in bMenaḥot 29b in Light of its Jewish and Christian Context. Beiträge zur komparativen Theologie. Paderborn: Brill . "In my view, the Bavli’s typological reading of Aqiva comes as close as possible to the Christian model, without, however, overstepping the line: Aqiva is perhaps “the one,” but not a new Adam; he is a messianic figure, but not the Messiah; and he is martyred and his body consumed, but he is not yet resurrected."
    • ALT1: ... that Biblical and post-Biblical characters rarely meet in Talmudic stories, as when Moses sees Rabbi Aviva teach and be martyred? Source: Jeffrey Rubenstein, Stories of the Babylonian Talmud (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2010), 182–20. "I know of no other story that bridges the typically impermeable break between the time of the bible and the time of the sages ...." In 2002, Rubenstein said, "The juxtaposition of these two characters violates the typically strict separation between the biblical and post-biblical times."
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oliver Hutchinson
    • Comment: This is a fictional work (story), so DYK facts are about the story's features or interpretation. Another hook: it can be seen as a "failed theodicy" since God tells Moses to be silent in the face of Akiva's torture. But the hook idea is hard to articulate within the time we have.
    Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

    ProfGray (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Arne Slettebak

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    Sgubaldo (talk) 01:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    The Americans

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    • Comment: Helped get this to GA status and feel this would be a good DYK from the article.
    Improved to Good Article status by Ktkvtsh (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Ktkvtsh (talk) 02:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Gruppentheorie und Quantenmechanik

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    Created by XOR'easter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    XOR'easter (talk) 00:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Fagoppositionens Sammenslutning

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    • Source: Knudsen, Knud (2023). "Syndicalism and Strikes in Denmark, 1917–1920: The Syndicalist Challenge to Social Democratic Trade Union Leadership". In Jørgensen, Jesper; Mikkelsen, Flemming (eds.). Trade Union Activism in the Nordic Countries since 1900. Palgrave Studies in the History of Social Movements. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 78. doi:10.1007/978-3-031-08987-9_4. ISBN 978-3-031-08987-9.
    Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.

    Grnrchst (talk) 15:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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    GNX (album)

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    Created by Lk95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 83 past nominations.

    NØ 13:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Coconut cup

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    Coconut cup, silver, English, 1780
    Coconut cup, silver, English, 1780
    • ... that coconut cups were believed to have medical benefits?
    5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 243 past nominations.

    Johnbod (talk) 21:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • @Johnbod: WP:QPQ says, "Your QPQ review should ideally be made at the time of your nomination. A nomination which doesn't include a QPQ (and is not from an exempt nominator) may be closed as "incomplete" without warning." Although this ping was not necessary, and I could have closed this nomination without warning, I like reminding nominators so that the QPQ can be completed. If an editor thinks this should be changed or the accepted time for a QPQ needs to be clarified, I invite them to post at WT:DYK. Z1720 (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Marzēaḥ

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    • ... that an inscription from 243 AD for a leader of the marzēaḥ ends with blesses for his sons, the scribe, the person in charge of the cooking, the cupbearer and other assistants?
    • ALT1: ... that therelationship between the marzēaḥ and veneration of the dead is still debated among scholars, due to sporadic literary evidence?

    — Preceding unsigned comment added by TNM101 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Created by פעמי-עליון (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    TNM101 (chat) 07:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Chris Wright (energy executive)

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    Created by ElijahPepe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

    elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    I'll be taking this. :)

    General eligibility:

    • New enough: Yes
    • Long enough: Yes
    • Other problems: No - Linkedin is used twice as a source, and should probably be removed. The "expansion" tag also needs to be dealt with.
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: See above, after those are addressed I can approve. EF5 20:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Pinging nominator, @ElijahPepe:. EF5 20:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Bernard Gray (Sunday Pictorial journalist)

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    • ... that war correspondent Bernard Gray was killed while travelling as an unofficial passenger aboard a Royal Navy submarine during the Second World War?
    • Source: "He was revealed as the only unofficial passenger to sail on a British submarine in the second world war, and the only journalist to die in one. He was killed with 43 other men when enemy aircraft bombed the submarine HMS Urge on her way from Malta to Egypt in May 1942." from: Ezard, John (15 November 2003). "'Piratical' reporter's death on second world war submarine confirmed". The Guardian.
    Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 909 past nominations.

    Dumelow (talk) 23:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on November 17

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    Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani

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    Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani
    Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani
    Created by Faldi00 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Faldi00 (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Same refs etc. Bit spicier. Johnbod (talk) 21:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    De Worsten van Babel

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    Moved to mainspace by Bogger (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 28 past nominations.

    Bogger (talk) 00:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Qian Xingcun

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    • ... that the Communist literary critic Qian Xingcun had a feud with Mao?
    • Source: Anderson, Marston (1990). The Limits of Realism: Chinese Fiction in the Revolutionary Period. Berkeley: University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-06436-2. "Qian similarly censured Mao Dun's work for its exclusive focus on the dark side of life, for its retrospective tone, and for its failure to communicate a sense of the future.[60] In Qian's view, Mao Dun was obsessed with out-of-date literary forms and failed to recognize the necessity of inventing new forms to give expression to the concerns of a new age.[61]"
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 707 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


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    Articles created/expanded on November 18

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    White chocolate

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    White chocolate tablet
    White chocolate tablet
    • ... that white chocolate (pictured) was originally a coating for a vitamin product Nestlé were making with pharmaceutical group Roche?
    Improved to Good Article status by Rollinginhisgrave (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 82 past nominations.

    NØ 13:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: No - The hook does describe something interesting, but I would recommend rewording it to be more snappy. Especially since "Nestlé were making" is grammatically incorrect as Nestle is a single entity.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: I congratulate you for getting this to GA status within the past week and would like to see it on the front page. However, I think the hook itself could be better. Perhaps to make it more concise and thus more enticing to read, cut the second half of the hook starting with "Nestlé were...". Lazman321 (talk) 08:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment: Some qualification is needed in the hook unfortunately: 1) The Washington Post article indicates that there is only consensus that Nestlé was responsible for the first commercial white chocolate, not white chocolate generally 2) The South China Morning Post article is not a reliable source for history (seen for example in how it implies Henri Nestlé was alive in 1936) but can be used for the attributed claims of Nestlé. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 08:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    HMS Unruffled

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    • ... that a cat, Timoshenko, joined HMS Unruffled on twenty wartime patrols in 1942–43?
    • Source: Recorded in Burdened but Unruffled: The Story of a World War II Submarine and its Crew by James Gregan, and discussed by Lieutenant J M Stevens in an interview with the IWM
    • Reviewed:
    5x expanded by Heavywick (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Heavywick (talk) 15:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Comment: @Heavywick: You're missing a citation at the end of the fifth paragraph in the "Career" section. I also notice that you don't mention or link to ship's cat, military mascot, or military animal in the body of the article, provided at least one of those are relevant. I think Timoshenko qualifies as a ship's cat given his biography. Many ship's cats have similar origin stories. It's also unusual to have such a large section without subsection headings, not just for the accessibility of the reader, but also to group related material. Viriditas (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Entitativity

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    • ... that entitativity is why some groups feel more “groupy” than others?
    • Source: Research shows that people consistently distinguish between different types of groups based on perceived entitativity. Intimacy groups, such as family and friends, are generally considered the most entitative. Task groups, like committees, come next, followed by social categories (e.g., gender, race). Finally, loose associations—such as people who like classical music or those waiting in line at the bank—are seen as the least entitative.
    • Reviewed:
    Created by Andrea Low (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Andrea Low (talk) 08:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • The article is new enough (5x expansion starting 18 November) and long enough. The article is also well sourced. However, the word "groupy" doesn't appear in the quoted source. Nor does it appear in the Wikipedia article you wrote. We really need sourcing for the "groupy" part or an alternative hook that is supported by a reliable source and used in the article. Cbl62 (talk) 03:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Grapefruit

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    Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 81 past nominations.

    NØ 13:10, 23 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Jews in the Polish Army

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    Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 535 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    German atrocities committed against prisoners of war during World War II

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    Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 534 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    2019 NFC Divisional Playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay)

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    Moved to mainspace by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 51 past nominations.

    « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Sun Haven (video game)

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    • ... that players can marry the leader in Sun Haven?
    "Lucia is Sun Haven’s enthusiastic and magically gifted leader." and "To romance Sun Haven’s Lucia, opt for fiery and magical gifts."
    Moved to mainspace by JuniperChill (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

    JuniperChill (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Note: this may be suitable to run on 30 November, the day after the game is on the Switch as its scheduled to release on 29 Nov at 0700 PST (1500 UTC) according to this Reddit post, which was posted by one of the developers (see the username). I totally forgot about the special hook occasion and only just realised. If not, the 29th will do. JuniperChill (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Also ALT0a: that players can marry Lucia, the leader of Sun Haven?

    Mo Tzu-yi

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    • ... that actor Mo Tzu-yi worked as a dishwasher for about a year in his early acting career to make a living?
    Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 25 past nominations.

    Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    1. ^ "【金馬57／2020金馬獎】《親愛的房客》準影帝莫子儀專訪，「真的愛過、失去過，才會懂得愛是什麼、付出是什麼。」". Marie Claire (in Chinese). 22 November 2020. Retrieved 17 November 2024. 他從大學到30歲，因為收入不穩定一直都在打工，做過義大利麵餐廳，咖啡廳，酒吧，日式料理，「曾經有一整年不做表演，每天都在洗碗感受身體上的勞累，感受每個月賺一萬多塊的真實生活。 [From university until the age of 30, he (Mo) worked various part-time jobs due to unstable income, including at an Italian restaurant, a café, a bar, and a Japanese restaurant. "There was a whole year when I did not perform at all, I spent every day washing dishes, experiencing physical exhaustion and the reality of earning barely ten thousand dollars (NTD) a month."]
    2. ^ 潘鈺楨 (17 November 2024). "2024金馬獎專訪／莫子儀自認「任性又自私」 堅持不軋戲：一次只做一件事". Yahoo! News (in Chinese). Retrieved 17 November 2024. 有時邀約找上來，想跟他卡兩、三個月的檔期，他通常會委婉地說抱歉，因為對他而言，準備一個角色需要更多的時間，「覺得自己能力不夠，是比較駑鈍的演員，要花比較多時間去理解劇本跟角色」。他堅持一定要結束上一個角色的狀態，回到自己，才再投入下一個角色 [Sometimes when offers come in, and they want to schedule him for two or three months, he (Mo) usually politely declines, explaining that preparing for a role requires more time for him. "I feel that my abilities are lacking, I am a rather dull actor who needs more time to understand the script and the character." He insists on fully completing the process of one character and returning to himself before immersing in the next role.]
    3. ^ 蕭雅玲 (16 January 2021). "演戲收入不穩定 莫子儀居酒屋打工洗碗兼差20年". ETtoday (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 29 July 2021. Retrieved 18 November 2024. 自認個性任性一次只拍一檔戲，他覺得演員的路是一輩子，所以可以把腳步放慢一點、視野看更廣一點。 [Considering himself to be quite stubborn and prefers to take on only one project at a time, he (Mo) believes that an actor's career is a lifelong journey, so he can afford to slow down and broaden his perspective.]
    4. ^ Chiang, Dominique (23 November 2020). "金馬影帝莫子儀談敦南誠品：「這裡就是我的青春歲月，我的少年中年，都在這裡度過。」". Elle Taiwan (in Chinese). Retrieved 17 November 2024. 金馬影帝莫子儀曾在誠品當過短期工讀生... 對於這個地方，有著很複雜的情感。不光是打工的時候，還有自己在大學時期，很喜歡在這裡看書看到深夜 [Golden Horse Award-winning actor Mo Tzu-yi once worked part-time at Eslite Bookstore... Regarding this place [Eslite], [he] has complex feelings. It is not just about the time working there, but during [his] university years, [he] loved reading here until late at night.]
    5. ^ Brooks, Brian (28 August 2014). "Specialty Box Office Preview: 'Cantinflas', 'Life Of Crime', 4 More". Deadline Hollywood. Retrieved 18 November 2024. Taiwanese lead, Mo Tzu-Yi, came to the project by a chance meeting in Hong Kong. "I was attending the Hong Kong Film Market a few years ago and was watching as many Chinese, South-East Asian and Taiwanese films as I could to look for interesting faces and new talents," he recalled. "I saw this one Taiwanese film with an absolutely riveting lead performance. So I raced to the Taipei Film Commission stall to ask about the actor I'd just seen in this film, only to find that he was standing right behind me."
    6. ^ Wang, Victor (23 November 2020). "Chen Shu-Fang, Mo Tzu-Yi Biggest Winners at Golden Horse 2020". The News Lens. Archived from the original on 2 April 2023. Retrieved 18 November 2024. Mo Tzu-yi (莫子儀), 39, was awarded the best actor for his part in Dear Tenant at the ceremony this year.

    Edoardo Tiretta

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    • Source: Around 1783, Tiretta was granted permission to construct a ‘puckabazaar’, which spread over nine bighas and eight cottahs of ground, ‘withconvenient shops, surrounded with a colonnade veranda’. In 1788, themarketplace was valued at Sicca Rupees 1,96,000 and given away as first prize ina lottery. Its ownership changed over time but in the popular imagination, thebazaar continues to be referred to as Tiretta’s, or some variant thereof.” - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/bowing-out/articleshow/68747124.cms
    • Source: I went with my friend, and as soon as the harebrain saw us she fell on Tiretta’s neck, calling him dear Count “Six-times”—a name which stuck to him all the time he was at Paris.
      “What has gained my friend so fine a title, madam?”
      “His erotic achievements. He is lord of an honour of which little is known in France, and I am desirous of being the lady.” - https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2981/pg2981-images.html
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    Created by WoodElf (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    User:WoodElf 06:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    .zip (top-level domain)

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    • ... that despite security concerns about the top-level domain .zip, researchers found it contained slightly less malicious usage than the general internet?
    • Reviewed:
    Moved to mainspace by Bobby Cohn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Bobby Cohn (talk) 01:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Not a review, but the hook rather buries the lede somewhat. Assuming they check out, I suggest ALT1: ... that the release of the .zip top-level domain was condemned by cyber security experts?--Launchballer 02:04, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      This was a case where I was steeped in the source material and after reading nothing but negativity about the subject, it was the fact that made me go "huh, actually less you say?" But I agree, this is an appropriate summary of the article. I may have also been trying to avoid the pitfall of being too negative, something that came up in my last DYKN. Nonetheless, though I'm not familiar with the process, I endorse the ALT1 in addition to my own phrasing. Bobby Cohn (talk) 02:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Tetris (Spectrum HoloByte)

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    Alexey Pajitnov, creator of Tetris
    Created by Lazman321 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

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    Oh Hee-ok

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    seefooddiet (talk) 07:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Jane Fenmore Barnes

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    • ... that while sailing to California to begin film work, actress Jane Fenmore Barnes's ship was caught in a hurricane?
    Created by Silver seren (talk) and FloridaArmy (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 134 past nominations.

    SilverserenC 00:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Wang Hanlun

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    Wang Hanlun
    Wang Hanlun
    • ... that Wang Hanlun (pictured) chose her stage name based on its resemblance to a tiger's stripes?
    • Source: *Wei, S. Louisa (2017). Gaines, Jane; Vatsal, Radha; Dall’Asta, Monica (eds.). "Helen Wang". Women Film Pioneers Project. Columbia University Libraries. doi:10.7916/d8-zc8b-7c47. "Helen abandoned her original name of Jianqing Peng and took the new name of Hanlun Wang: while Hanlun was in fact the Chinese pronunciation of Helen, “Wang” was a surname she picked because this Chinese character resembled the pattern on a tiger’s forehead"
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 710 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    1991 Andover tornado

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    The tornado at F4 intensity on the grounds of the McConnell Air Force Base
    Created by EF5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

    EF5 17:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    As Long As You're Mine

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    Bogger (talk) 16:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Not a fan of ALT0a due to WP:SEAOFBLUE concerns. Might be better to stick to ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Brian Higgins (trade unionist)

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    • Source: "Although blacklisting was illegal, many construction companies vetted workers through a clandestine database that identified union members or activists as “troublemakers” ... Brian said: “I started to see it was getting harder to find work. There was plenty of construction work going on, but I was getting knocked back.” He was without work for more than 25 years until his retirement in 2006." from: Pounds, Chris (25 June 2019). "Brian Higgins obituary". The Guardian. Retrieved 13 November 2024.
    Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 913 past nominations.

    Dumelow (talk) 09:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


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    George K. Teulon

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    Aneirinn (talk) 05:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Goro Takahashi

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    Sonovawolf (talk) 05:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Flora Hommel

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    CaptainAngus (talk) 22:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]


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