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Tasked with creating company Wikipedia

Hi there, I'm interning at a company and they've tasked me with looking into creating a Wikipedia page. The company is FISPAN. I've read through Help:Your first article and a couple of other pages, but I'm having trouble verifying if we have enough notability to meet the requirements. There are three sources below that I think meet the requirements, please let me know what you think.

• FISPAN CEO Lisa Shields Featured in Research2Reality
• FISPAN CEO Lisa Shields Featured on The Pomp Podcast
• A Vancouver entrepreneur whose previous business was acquired by PayPal Holdings Inc.

If anyone has the time to do a search for other sources that would work (I'm not expecting this) then thank you. I really appreciate the help. Fispan (talk) 00:18, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

First, stop using this account, because your account name is the same as the company. Start a new account. Could be as simple as BobAtFisplan (or whatever your first name is). Second, on your User page, declare that you are being paid to create/edit an article about Fispan. David notMD (talk) 00:44, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Fispan: You are required to post a WP:PAID notice on your user page. The links look like interviews or press releases which will not help you. Please let your boss know that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a venue for promoting the company. You have been given an impossible task. RudolfRed (talk) 00:45, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Point them to WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and WP:Corporations and the Community. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:13, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Fispan: Besides the above mentioned conflict of interest, your task is impossible because your company doesn't meet the notability guidelines, as defined by Wikipedia. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for more info about this insurmountable obstacle. Please also change your user name. Since you've not made any other contributions using this account, you can just abandon it. There's no user history to preserve. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

I concur with the comments above. To give an equivalent analogy, suppose your boss asked you to build a wall when you have no background in building, and it's impossible because the ground isn't suitable to put down a foundation and you don't have the right materials and tools available. You might get something built, but as soon as the wind blows the whole lot over and injures someone, you'll wish you never started. At least in Wikipedia, the worst case scenario is you'll get indefinitely blocked for undisclosed paid editing. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:35, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: @Timtempleton: @Jéské Couriano: @David notMD: @Ritchie333: Thanks for all of the feedback. The only reason I didn't disclose paid is that I wasn't sure if the article even had the required notability. Since it doesn't I won't be writing anything. I just wanted to see if this was possible :). Thanks for all of your help. Fispan (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

OnePlus TVs

I wanted to know if you all think that OnePlus requires a separate article on TVs or not.
I think that it will be better, more informative and less congested if a separate article is created for the TV (all TVs in one article), just like there are different articles for different phones (but not different article for each TV, basically one article for the oneplus TVs as a whole).
The article has several paragraphs just on the TVs.
Since the new OnePlus TV U1S Series is also launched, better to make an article on OnePlus TVs separately.
If the decision is made and we decide to create a separate article, then I can create it since I've been following the recent TV launches from some brands. YashPratap1912(CONT.) 15:53, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Deleting drafts

I want to delete my drafts in Wikipedia, but I don't know how. Can someone please delete them for me? Thanks! And by the way, I've been asking a lot of questions in Teahouse, so please tell if you feel disturbing, then I'll stop asking. H0MARUP (talk) 14:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

H0MARUP, I have deleted Draft:Christian Bernert and Draft:Ted Engelmann for you. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@H0MARUP: You can ask as many questions as you want about anything relevant to WP. We are here to clear your doubts. But the questions should be short and straight and not dumb. Happy editing.Siddartha897 (talk) 16:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@H0MARUP: Whenever you want a draft that you've created, and which only you have made substantial edits to, to be deleted, you can tag it with {{db-g7}}, and an admin will delete it. Deor (talk) 16:25, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Wiki info different in Google search result and Wiki main website page

How can I change the Info I get on google search (wiki link) to match the info in the main page of Wikipedia? 115.96.77.61 (talk) 16:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

What you see in Google is part of the Knowledge Graph, and the info may not be coming from Wikipedia due to the way Google presents it. I think there is a feedback button you can use to tell Google it is wrong. Wikipedia does not control it, unless the problem is actually in the Wikipedia article itself. RudolfRed (talk) 16:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

What are awards?

What are those awards called wikipedia awards and how to get it? Can i also get it? If yes please give me! Thank you :) Badassboy 63637 (talk) 11:28, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Badassboy 63637, you are active on Wikipedia, but nowhere more so than on your user page. Please concentrate on improving encyclopedic coverage of subjects that merit such coverage, not on creating a pleasing picture of yourself. If you do an excellent job of improving articles, perhaps somebody will give you an "award". -- Hoary (talk) 11:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Badassboy 63637: The Wikipedia Awards are virtual Awards created to honour those Wikipeians who work hard to make WP better. Don't ask them, You'll definitely get an Award when someone notices your efforts in improving WP. However there are some funny awards and templates to share (see Wikipedia:WikiLove and WP:PUA). Happy editing! Siddartha897 (talk) 18:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Why is my wikipedia page keep getting deleted?

I created an unbiased company page for my business with proper citations and conflict of interest in the profile, yet my page is keep getting deleted. It is completely unbiased with citations from major news websites. mrblaze111 21:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrblaze111 (talk • contribs)

@Mrblaze111: Welcome to the Teahouse. As someone who's creating a page for [your] business, your disclosure needs to be explicitly stated on your user page (User:Mrblaze111); you may use the {{paid}} template to do so. Your page (Draft:OtakuKart) hasn't been deleted, but is being considered for speedy deletion. LinkedIn is not a reliable source that establishes notability. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:53, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much @Tenryuu:; I have made many changes right now, would you be able to check it out and give some suggestions if possible? Draft:OtakuKart

Apologies for the other. mrblaze111 22:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Mrblaze111: I'm not an AfC reviewer, but you should resubmit when you're ready. Just make sure that the sources you're using give it significant coverage. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:12, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Tenryuu, I have added all of the citations. Appreciate your help in this!

~~~~ MrBlaze111 (talk) 22:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Actually, if you go into the page log, you can see that this page has been deleted several times in the past as a stale draft. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:21, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't check that far. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, User:Mrblaze111, the environment we're working in is that every single day we get people submitting articles on their non-notable companies in order to promote them, and swatting these these down is practically a reflex. It looks like your company may be notable, but you're working in an environment that is, properly and understandably, generally skeptical of and hostile to people doing that.

So, if you only have either good or neutral things to say (which, of course! Except for the occasional scandal, most companies only have good or neutral things written about them), AND you have a material interest... and given that we discourage people from writing about their own companies at all ever, and also given that your company is in India, which a lot of editors aren't familiar with which sources there are legit and which publish press releases made to look legit, and so forth... you're facing some heavy lifting.

I am having a similar situation with a different article, where basically I (helping the original COI writer) had to scrub anything positive that could be scrubbed, in order to have a chance. Minor awards and so on? Scrubbed. Somebody saying something good about the company? Scrubbed. Mainly leaving a shorter articles just saying "This company is here, it does this, here's some anodyne technical info about it, bye". (I exagerate, there's some positive info, but less.) Otherwise it's going to be rejected as promotional. Herostratus (talk) 15:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Herostratus, I totally undertstand what you are saying, all of the citations I have mentioned are from the biggest news sites & newspapers from India, they all have wikipedia pages as well, and most of these newspapers were established before 1980. I had made the article from neutral point of view but it didn't work out, I'm not seeking any backlink from wikipedia either as countless pages on wikipedia has mentioned my site as source, so that I have it.

I just wanted to get a wikipedia page for the business, as its sort of a lifelong dream. haha. If it s not possible then it is not possible, will leave at it. MrBlaze111 (talk) 15:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Indeed @Liz, the draft was incomplete and lacking citations before, which were added after and resubmitted, and yet it was still rejected. I made the page as neutral as possible but it didn't work. MrBlaze111 (talk) 15:51, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Mrblaze111, you say I just wanted to get a wikipedia page for the business, as its sort of a lifelong dream. I suggest that that is a big part of your problem: that you are believing that there is such a thing as "a wikipedia page for the business". There is not. A Wikipedia article is not in any way whatever for the benefit of its subject. Obviously, the subjects of many Wikipedia articles do benefit from the article - but some definitely don't, as the article contains reliably sourced information which the subject does not want to be seen. Either way, Wikipedia is not concerned with whether the subject approves or disapproves of the article. Also have a look at WP:PROUD. --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Company page rejection

Hello. My company page submission keeps getting rejectd for looking like an advert. But i can't see how? Bibliophile81 (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Euro Food Brands, declined twice. Creating editor here states "My company..." but has not declared paid or conflict-of-interest. David notMD (talk) 14:55, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Had been deleted in April when it was Draft:Euro Food Brands Ltd. David notMD (talk) 14:58, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Just to explain the "decline" Bibliophile81 (not a rejection, which would imply the draft could never become encyclopaedic no matter how much it was expanded) I would comment that the whole thing currently reads much as the own company website would read. That is, it just gives some facts about the company, which in no way shows that is is notable in Wikipedia's rather strict sense of that word. To show this, you need to provide evidence that reliable WP:secondary sources have written about the company, for example comparing it with others in its field and not just repeating what has been said in press releases. Why is this company of interest compared to any other of the thousands that exist globally doing much the same thing? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bibliophile81. Please note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:45, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Question: Does Peppa Pig have a villain?

Does the show, Peppa Pig have a villain character in it? 184.59.108.112 (talk) 20:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome. The Teahouse is for question about using or editing Wikipedia. Questions like yours should be posted to the reference desk at WP:RDE RudolfRed (talk) 20:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

How to delete pages?

Hi, I'm User:TypicalWikimedian. After I finished the "Wikipedia Adventure" thing, I eded up with some pages like User:TypicalWikimedian/TWA/Earth that I can't figure out how to get rid of. Here they are:

User:TypicalWikimedian/TWA/Earth

User talk:TypicalWikimedian/TWA/Earth

User:TypicalWikimedian/TWA/Earth/2

Can someone tell me how to delete pages? Thanks. --TypicalWikimedian (talk) 21:05, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@TypicalWikimedian: Only admins can delete pages. Add {{Db-userreq}} at top of the page, and an admin will delete it for you. RudolfRed (talk) 21:15, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Abhilasha Will

I made an article Guttila kawya but it has been moved to the draft space, Can I know Why is that?  Abhilasha Will (talk) 02:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Abhilasha Will: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yeeno posted a message on your talk page to explain why they moved your article to Draft:Guttila kawya. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Article not displaying content

On the article Burn (2012 film), I cannot see any content. When I go to Edit there, I can see the markup text, but on the regular Read tab, it only displays the title. Is there something I'm missing here, or can anyone fix this?

I asked about this on the Talk page there a few days ago, but there's been no response. The issue persists across my devices. Kirby777 (talk) 01:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Paper9oll 'fixed' it by making the infobox invisible. And then restored the infobox without making the article invisible. David notMD (talk) 02:11, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kirby777:  Done You should be able to see all the content including the infobox now. The issues is simply with incorrect syntax and not following MOS by making the infobox parameter all "smashed together" instead of displaying each parameter on individual line hence when the incorrect syntax was introduced, the issues goes undetected for 1 year. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: @Paper9oll: This particular error and solution is incredible and interesting. I really appreciate you both. Kirby777 (talk) 02:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kirby777, Paper9oll, and David notMD: Presuming the issue was the misplaced {{Plain text}} templates, there are 25 more articles to fix.  Working... GoingBatty (talk) 02:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Yup that is the issue. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:48, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kirby777 and Paper9oll:  Fixed! GoingBatty (talk) 03:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

GeordieBrianC vandalised José Reyes Vega

Special:Contributions/GeordieBrianC vandalised José Reyes Vega, need to check the other "Contributions" 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 02:24, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@0mtwb9gd5wx: Welcome to the Teahouse. GeordieBrianC hasn't made an edit in over 2 years, so I'm not sure what you're going on about. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:31, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Special:Contributions/GeordieBrianC vandalised José Reyes Vega, it was "sly", on an obscure page, that is pernicious   0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 02:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@0mtwb9gd5wx: I wouldn't call it vandalism (it's definitely not blatant vandalism), but the edits don't appear to be appropriate for Wikipedia (particularly tone-wise). If you think it isn't constructive, remove it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:22, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Ask someone else's opinion 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 03:35, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Can I move my draft to an article?

I know the procedure, all I want to know is if I have the permission to move this draft as an article. Excellenc1 (talk) 07:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

If you submit the draft I will accept it. Theroadislong (talk) 07:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

What languages don't we have?

What languages don't we have and, if we don't have certain languages, why not? George the 5th (Lamp) (talk) 04:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @George the 5th (Lamp):, List of Wikipedias may help you! --Maresa63 ^Talk 04:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedias are volunteer projects; if there isn't one in a particular language it is because nobody has yet volunteered to start that project, or because that language is not considered eligible (eg Klingon). "In order to pass eligibility, a language must have a valid ISO 639 code, be sufficiently unique, and have a sufficient number of fluent users to form a viable contributor community and an audience for the content."--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

We do need Sindarin and Quenya, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

There are some languages we used to have, for example Klingon and Toki Pona. See m:History of the Klingon Wikipedia. Or the fake Siberian language, m:Proposals for closing projects/Deletion of Siberian Wikipedia. Quenya/Sindarin were rejected 15 years ago, see m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Tolkien languages. —Kusma (talk) 08:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

...Entish? The name for WP would probably be rather long. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:56, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

link with an error message

I just wanted to make sure, a link with an error message can be removed and replaced with a link that does not have an error message, correct? 73.167.238.120 (talk) 03:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC) 

Do you mean an error message on the other end of the link (yes - source is likely dead) or a bright red error notice in the reference list (no - the reference itself is malformed)? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

There was a message to not remove archive links so the messsage is incorrect? If I understand what you mean, yes once the link is clicked on, there is an error message. The link has to be tweaked but the source is the same. I just wanted to find out what the protocol was. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 11:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Stefanos Tsitsipas

Hello, I just uploaded a new and recent image of Stefanos Tsitsipas from 2 weeks ago. How can I replace it with Tsitsipas' current display image on Wiki which is not only unflattering but also very old (almost three years)?

 123yali (talk) 11:51, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 123yali. Could you first confirm that you took the photo File:Stefanos Tsitsipas at the French Open 2021.jpeg yourself? The reason I ask is that it looks like a professional shot. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:54, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

The resemblance to this is striking. -- Hoary (talk) 12:11, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

How to request page protection

Hi again. Lot of vandalism is happening on the article of M. C. Josephine as she was badly involved in a controversy today. How can I request to protect the page? Pillechan (പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 11:05, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Krishnavilasom Bhageerathan Pilla, you do that at WP:Requests for page protection. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

citing sources

I am having trouble with the source citation not maintaining the correct page number when I use the same source for another reference - it influences the original - getting desperate Brentclift (talk) 05:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Brentclift: Welcome to the Teahouse. Have you used the {{rp}} template before? You can add it after the reference to append superscript numbers to designate page number(s). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Brentcliff: G'day, if the issue is related to this edit [1], then potentially it is because you are using a WP:NAMEDREF. Where the ref is slightly different, the namedref won't quite achieve what you intending. The rp template mentioned above might be a solution; converting to {{sfn}} with short notes is another option. Or you can simply remove the "ref name=" code and hard code each entry for that reference with a different page number. Anyway, thanks for your work so far on the Charles Bean article. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 12:22, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Citing a named reference on another page.

Hi, given a page named "Page", containing reference <ref name="refname">...</ref>. How is that reference cited on "AnotherPage"? Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 14:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@PeterEasthope: Welcome to the Teahouse. Are you asking if named references can be used across pages? To my knowledge they don't work that way; you would have to define the refname separately on each page for it to properly work on both pages. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:32, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

> across pages?

Yes, across pages. OK, thanks. You've given me another idea, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 14:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

draft to publish

 Courtesy link: Draft:The Management Machine

I have a draft, and would like to publish it. I am lost as to how to do it

thanks Eithan-Stephan (talk) 13:56, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Eithan-Stephan: Welcome to the Teahouse. There is a Submit draft for review! button that you can click, but I would strongly refrain from doing so. Your draft is wholly inappropriate for Wikipedia, as it does not use Wikipedia's tone, appears to be instructional, and is promoting your personal website. Reviewers are virtually guaranteed to decline (if not outright reject) it on sight. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Note: The draft has since been deleted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:08, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

How do I make a page?:)

 73.29.173.161 (talk) 09:24, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

If you are referring to a main space article, read WP:1st, it’s a really good guide that takes you from starting a draft to submitting it in the main space. -Justiyaya (talk) 09:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

It is not usually advisable nor is it a good idea to start editing Wikipedia by creating an article. Generally, starting with minor edits such as correcting spelling errors or grammatical errors, look how that works, learn a couple of wiki-texts, little of WP:MOS, and our WP:GNG(which is what you may want to internalize) give it a couple of weeks before proceeding. Celestina007 (talk) 15:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Page creation

Respected Sir/Mam, Can you please tell me how to create a page for any personality etc. Pra2310 (talk) 16:09, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Pra2310: Thank you for your interest in editing Wikipedia, but I should caution you that creating an article is one of the hardest things that you can do on the site. It is recommended instead that you get editing experience to understand tone, syntax and content. Particularly important is understanding sourcing – the way we determine if a subject is notable enough to be included. Please read WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:30, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

.svg file, correct preview, incorrect/old "full" file

I uploaded an update to a file and preview shows United Kingdom correctly as green, but in Media Viewer and "Original file" shows old file, United Kingdom incorrectly as yellow File:Map_of_blood_donation_policies_for_men_who_have_sex_with_men.svg Spiralfeel (talk) 16:05, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Resolved, it was a problem with my browser ( firefox), I refreshed article page and wikimedia File: page(that didn't help), then I refreshed Media Viewer page, and it suddenly started working in Media Viewer then had to refresh .svg files themselves :/ Spiralfeel (talk) 17:13, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Publishing article for person

Hello I want to publish a page for one person. She is well-known in Australia. But I'm facing some issues with reliable sources. Is it means that sources should be from the internet? Can someone please give me feedback? Ramil Salihar (talk) 13:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ramil Salihar: Welcome to the Teahouse. Sources do not have to be on the Internet, but they have to be reliable. They should also (primarily) be secondary sources to establish the subject's notability, which is what warrants anything to have an article on Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:37, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ramil Salihar, to expound on what has already been said. WP:OFFLINE sources can be used in so far as it is verifiable and reliable. Also an important feedback would be for you to read our WP:COI policy(if you haven’t already). Celestina007 (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

You can't use sources directly connected to the well-known person, such as a personal website, or a press release sent out from the person, or someone who works for her. Look for newspaper or magazine articles about the well-known person, and why what she does is important. Or if she is written about in a trustworthy book (not a self-published promotional book) you can use that as one of at least three reliable sources. Best wishes on your research. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:40, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ramil Salihar, Another good idea might be telling us the name of the individual and we may aid you in finding sources. So basically there’s what is referred to as WP:3REFS(an essay though) that basically implies that three solid references that are in alignment with WP:GNG can prove an article might be notable, so as aforementioned if we knew the name of this person we might be able to provide you with references. I’m not sure but I think it’s Deb she’s an adept at this sort of things. Celestina007 (talk) 17:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Changes in semi-protected pages

Respected Sir/Mam, Could you please explain me how to edit a semi-protected pages of shows, personalities, cities etc. In which format should I edit these pages as one user told me to do in "X to Y" format which I didn't understood. So can you please explain me what is this format through an example as I'm a new user to Wikipedia account. Pra2310 (talk) 16:07, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

You can't edit those pages directly yet, provide the change you want to be done in talk page of that article and a user that has that the ability should edit it the way you requested.

np. "In the article it says the production started in 3030-05-99, but it is actually 2020-00-99" or just copy paste the exact text that you want to be on that page "the production started in 2020-00-99 and continued to..." Spiralfeel (talk) 16:22, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pra2310. What that user was telling you was to make an edit request on the article's talk page. When they said "X to Y" they were asking you to be precise: not "I think it should say that ...." but "Please change [these exact words] to [those exact words]". --ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Question about Lloyd Klein

I have a major concern there is this editor on the lloyd klein page called justnumbersandletters that seems to vandalizing that page he keeps on editing that page and putting incorrect information about lloyd klein obviously he is not a fashion expert and more than this he seems to take full control on that page could we assign someone more relevant this is totally unfair  LaModeEnImages (talk) 17:48, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@LaModeEnImages: Copyright infringement is taken very seriously here. Stop trying to copy-paste material into the article. RudolfRed (talk) 18:07, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Submit button missing

Next discussion : #Draft:CoolIT Systems

Hi, the submit button for an draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CoolIT_Systems I rewrote based on feedback I received is missing. Please advise Thank you kindly iwanturCAT (talk) 18:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@TheGremlin: Another editor fixed it, there is now a resubmit button near the top of the page. RudolfRed (talk) 18:56, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Removing re-direct from talk page

Hello. I removed a redirect from a person page who was part of a band as that person is notable on their own. Even though I have successfully removed the redirect from the persons article, the talk page still links back to the band page that it used to redirect to. How do I remove the redirect from this persons talk page? Page in question. Thanks Grapepinky (talk) 18:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Grapepinky:  Fixed! On Talk:Tim Commandeur, I replaced the redirect with a WikiProject template. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks!

Draft:CoolIT Systems

Previous discussion : #Submit button missing

Hi, I recently rewrote a draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CoolIT_Systems based on feedback and do not see where the [SUBMIT] button is. Please advise, thank you iwanturCAT (talk) 18:50, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Be patient and don't repeat questions, please. RudolfRed (talk) 18:57, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, it's my fault there is a duplicate section – this was posted in a different, unrelated section halfway up the page so I moved it into its own section, not having seen that TheGremlin had posted their question again. TheGremlin, the reason the Submit button was not visible was that you had removed old AfC notices. They need to remain until a draft is accepted, and then the review script removes them. --bonadea contributions talk 19:05, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

no worries, it's a poor interface far more complicated than needed. If it was simple & intuitive like a good website it would reduce many problems & the time people here are spending replying how to work around them. Thank you for your feedback--iwanturCAT (talk) 19:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

inter wiki link

Hi, Strangers (Yamada novel) can be linked to https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%95%B0%E4%BA%BA%E3%81%9F%E3%81%A1%E3%81%A8%E3%81%AE%E5%A4%8F Can you fix it ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 14:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@GrahamHardy, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Ive noticed your question has gone unanswered for a while now, perhaps it may be due to the near nebulous manner in which it is constructed, can you re-construct the question? Celestina007 (talk) 17:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, GrahamHardy. I have fixed this, as far as I can. The problem is that the Japanese article ja:異人たちとの夏 is about both the novel and the film The Discarnates, and Wikidata doesn't allow an article in one language to be linked to more than one aritcle in another language (known as the Bonnie and Clyde problem). I have moved ja article to link to the Wikidata item on the novel (it was pointing to the one on the film), and added a local link from The Discarnates to the ja article. I can't see a sensible way of adding a link they other way, from the ja article to The Discarnates, but the link to Strangers (Yamada novel) is through Wikidata, so it's both ways.

I notice that Strangers (Yamada novel) says that The Discarnates was based on it, but since that is unsourced, I'm unwilling to add the information to the article about the film. --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 21:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Some weirdness on User Creation Log

I've been looking on the Special:Log/newusers and there are several brand new accounts that have been made by another new account, User:Swiper Senpai, who isn't showing anything in their edit history. There are currently five new accounts [2] created by this user.

Is this something to raise with admins? Nascent socking?

Princess Persnickety (talk) 18:54, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

This does seem very suspicious. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:21, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Correcting inaccurate cited sources

I have a particular problem relating to the history and biography of a band that I was a member of back in the ‘70’s.

The citations used to verify information are themselves inaccurate being articles written by journalists but never verified or checked by the band at the time. We are going to release a 6 CD set of previously released and unreleased material together with a 48 page booklet which has information approved by the surviving band members or where deceased, their estates. This cannot be used as a source because we have commissioned this and it would not be considered unbiased.

I’m very frustrated by wiki’s policy of verifiability as against truth, the sources in question don’t, for me, fall under the heading of reliable and fact checked. To add insult to injury, additional sources have just copied so called facts from earlier articles, just exacerbating the problem.

How can I go about correcting these errors. Any help would be most gratefully received. Bertiemerri (talk) 19:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

You'd need to yell at the sources, not us. We're an encyclopaedia, and thus we are constrained by whatever sources are available. If the sources are wrong (which does happen), then we're going to end up being wrong and there's nothing we can really do about it other than argue about the source on WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard or on the article's talk page. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Bertiemerri, publication of a six-CD set is an unusual feat. The material that it includes, and what its 48-page booklet says about this material and about the band, may prod journalists and music critics to wrote about the band afresh. If such writing were indeed published in what are regarded as reliable sources (not mere blogs, etc), then it could be cited. -- Hoary (talk) 22:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing problems

I have a problem whenever I try to edit something there's always different suggestions I don't wht

Hey! It's great that you want to help! A great place to look at is the task center, which has different categories for what areas of editing you may be interested in. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 23:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

How to deal with offensive pages

I was looking through the new pages feed just because I wanted to, and I came across this userbox that might be offensive towards Adam Gase. What should I do with it? Under my understanding of the policies, which I spent most of today reading, I'm supposed to replace it with Template:Db-attack, but I just wanted to make sure that's right. --TypicalWikimedian (talk • contribs) 22:24, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

P.S. Am I asking too many questions today? If so, I'll stop.

@TypicalWikimedian: Interesting question. Bit of a grey area in my view. Judging by the win/loss record for this coach and comments in the article, the Infobox Userbox looks rather accurate, and simply records the users pleasure that they've been replaced. CSD G10 related to attack pages, not Infobox Userbox elements. But is it doing any harm/reflecting overly strong biases that we'd want to discourage? Well, maybe it might just be, though I'm personally Ok with users expressing their biases (within reason) on their userpages as it helps me identify what sort of person/editor they are and what biases they might bring into mainspace. Other might take a stricter view. it'll be interesting to see what others think. I shalln't be rushing over to delete it, though. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: are you talking about the infobox of the article, or the userbox that I linked to that is at User:Dwscomet/My_userbox_creations/GaseFired? --TypicalWikimedian (talk • contribs) 23:31, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm commenting on the Userbox. Sorry I used the wrong term. (WANDERS OFF TO GET COFFEE...) Nick Moyes (talk) 23:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

How do I retrieve my sandbox page that was victim to 'speedy deletion'?

My draft post was recently deleted for being ambiguous and possibly promotional. I was aware of this, but it was still in the editing phase. I really need to retrieve the work I've done so I can edit it. }} Oberix1 (talk) 23:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Oberix1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you will need to change your username immediately, as usernames cannot be that of a business. Please visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to do so. Second, you will need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures you need to make.

To answer your question, you may make a request at WP:REFUND, though honestly it was so promotional I don't think it's worthy basing an article on. Please be advised that a Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources have chosen on their own to state about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia is not a place for a company to tell the world about itself, you should do that on your own website. Wikipedia is only interested in what others say about your company. If you have at least three independent reliable sources, sources that are not press releases, the company website, staff interviews, announcements of routine business activities, or brief mentions, and truly feel that your company meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable company, you would be best to allow independent editors to take note of your company from those sources and choose to write about it, instead of trying to force the issue. However, if you are able to set aside everything the company says about itself, you can summarize what those three(or more) sources say. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 00:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Voluntary editing by a paid editor

Hi, I am a paid editor on Wikipedia (as disclosed on my contribution and my user page), but is it okay as per Wikipedia policies if I do some voluntary editing on the community portal tasks from the same account? TIA. BettytheBeth (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, if you've properly disclosed. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:14, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

BettytheBeth (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are welcome to make any edits that you wish as long as you have declared all paid edits and conflicts of interest that you have. Note that conflict of interest does not just mean edits related to your clients, but their competitors as well, so you will need to keep that in mind. But as long as other edits are unrelated to your paid editing/COI, yes, please make them. 331dot (talk) 00:16, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Listing published works

Hi, I am keen to complete the list of published work on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dale_Spender&editintro=Template%3ABLP_editintro#Publications

It is incomplete (missing titles, missing or incorrect publisher names, missing author role, i.e., some titles the person is the editor or co-editor, not sole author). Is this acceptable, if I follow the format?

Many thanks for your help. --Always Think First (talk) 11:35, 20 June 2021 (UTC) Always Think First (talk) 11:35, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't fully understand. (Follow what format?) Anyway, yes, the list seems worthwhile; and yes, the list could and I think should be improved. I'd not heard of Spender; but in my guesstimation her books would be an important part of her noteworthiness. If so, then I'd suggest something like the article Morris Bishop, in which descriptions and reviews of the books are worked into the main text, and all the tiresome yet sometimes helpful publication details (ISBNs and the rest) go in a list similar to the one that's already in the Spender article. -- Hoary (talk) 13:06, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary, appreciate you taking the time. Will read the article by Morris Bishop. Always Think First (talk) 12:56, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

--- AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 00:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)--- AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 00:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Will there be a Wikipedia page for Battle for Dream Island?

Can someone make a page for BFDI and the object show genre? LaylaShyu (talk) 20:34, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, LaylaShyu, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. If the programme (I'm guessing it's a TV programme?) meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then anybody can create an article about it - including you (though creating a new article is an extremely difficult task for a new editor). If it does not meet those criteria, then nobody can create an acceptable article. If you wish there to be an article, you can make it more likely by finding the independent reliable sources that will be required to establish that it is notable. --ColinFine (talk) 21:05, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

hi @LaylaShyu! unfortunately Battle for Dream Island is currently salted, but that was a 2013 salt (back during the first season and way before it got popularity), and now it's a youtube show with a sizeable fanbase (which is surprisingly larger than I feel it is). despite this it's still non-notable by wikipedia's standards (searching for news sources leads to a nintendo life post that is a trivial reference, and one regarding the fandom fantasy truck which only mentions bfdi/yoylecake in alt text), so even if I wanted to make one as a draft, I can't. happy editing!   melecie   t 00:36, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Having a Slavic name

Hello. I'm Adam Daniel bin Asrul, I'm from Malaysia and (Redacted). I have been exploring Slavic adventures in my mind since (Redacted) 2019, and also in 2015, 2017. I'm very interested in studying Slavic cultures, things and languages. I even begin to study the Bulgarian and Ukrainian languages (Redacted) in 2019. I even have more interest in the Croatian language and would like to edit more new Croatian-language pages. May I also be known by the Slavic name as Lyubomyr Khaledovych Bilyovych (among Ukrainians and in Ukraine), and also Berislav Ismailović (among Croatians and in Croatia)?

Thank you Adamdaniel864 (talk) 00:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Please don't ask the same question at multiple venues. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)>

As far as Wikipedia is concerned, your name is Adamdaniel864. No other name matters. On your user page, you may, if you wish, provide your real name. I suggest that you do not. I don't think that there is any policy preventing you from providing false information about yourself (aside from particular kinds of information, in particular contexts), but I suggest that you do not do so, and therefore that you do not say on your user page that your real name is this or that fictional Slavic or Balkan name. If you're happy with the name Adamdaniel864, continue using it. If you'd prefer to have a Slavic- or Balkan-sounding username, then create your one new user ID, announce the relationship between it and your current username on both the new user page and on Adamdaniel864, use the new username and stop using Adamdaniel864. -- Hoary (talk) 01:38, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I am not able to upload

Hey, I have clicked some photos from my smartphone to submit it on wikipedia commons. But i am not able to submit it because I am blocked. So how can i now submit those photos? I have clicked from my own device. Its a image about a building and i want to contribute to wikipedia. So can someone unlock me or can someone upload it for me? Badassboy 63637 (talk) 06:11, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

hi Badassboy 63637 and welcome to the teahouse! what image are you trying to upload, and from where did you get it (is it your own content, and are you willing to release it under creative commons or similar)? if it isn't yours or you aren't, then it would likely not be allowed to be uploaded as a free alternative to that is possible (and we prefer to use freely usable content whenever possible). seems like you may've been blocked from image submission due to a misunderstanding of WP:Non-free content.   melecie   t 06:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, its an image of a skyscraper in Nagpur, I have clicked it and I want to submit it under creative commons as i want to use it in this article, Godrej Anandam. Its a image about a skyscraper in Nagpur. I have a second question as well, are images of skyscrapers (Which we click from our smartphone are copyright free?) Badassboy 63637 (talk) 06:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

If you mean that you have taken the photo by going to Nagpur and using your favourite camera, then its permissible. If you mean you downloaded the image from some website - almost certainly not. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

In Indian English, the expression "click a photo" is pretty common, as an alternative to "take a photo". --bonadea contributions talk 10:54, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, i live in Maharashtra only, and i have went to Nagpur to click the photo as i live very close to that buildings. So when i would be able to upload it? Badassboy 63637 (talk) 07:08, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Badassboy 63637: you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons. It will be then usable on Wikipedia as well. JavaHurricane 07:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

No, JavaHurricane, Badassboy 63637 cannot. He said, clearly enough: I have clicked some photos from my smartphone to submit it on wikipedia commons. But i am not able to submit it because I am blocked. This is correct. Badassboy 63637, you are blocked ("Uploading unfree files after warnings"). You are of course entirely free to appeal on your talk page at Commons to have this block lifted. (Suggestion: Think very hard before making any such appeal.) I hope that in the meantime you are not asking for help from other people to get around this block. Attempting to evade a block is likely to have the block extended. -- Hoary (talk) 09:07, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see that. JavaHurricane 02:37, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Why do some "person" infoboxes show a photograph in the hover-over pop-up, and others don't?

If you hover your cursor over this link, you should see a biographical summary, paired with a photograph in the pop-up. But in this link, no photo appears. I'm not able to spot a difference in the infoboxes that would lead to this different treatment... is it conditional on something else in the infobox? Or a property of the image in wikimedia or wherever?

Here's the one that works:

{{Infobox person
| name          = Anriette Esterhuysen
| image         = Anriette Esterhuysen 01.JPG
| alt           = Anriette Esterhuysen in 2014
| caption       = Anriette Esterhuysen in 2012. 
}}

...and here's the one that doesn't:

{{Infobox person
| name        = Jonathan Zittrain
| image       = Zittrain2.jpg
| image_size  = 250px
|alt=waist high portrait wearing a T-shirt reading "Algunos Derechos Reservados", holding a microphone hand and a marker in the other
| caption     = Zittrain giving a speech in 2007
| birth_date  = {{birth date and age|1969|12|24}}
| birth_place =[[Pittsburgh]], [[Pennsylvania]], [[U.S.]]
| nationality = [[United States|American]]
| education   = [[Shady Side Academy]]
| alma_mater  = [[Yale University]]<br>[[Harvard University]]
| occupation  = Professor
| organisation = [[Harvard University]]<br>[[Electronic Frontier Foundation]]
| spouse      =
| children    =
| website     = {{URL|http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/jzittrain}}
}}

Thanks for any clue you can impart!   EVhotrodder (talk) 01:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@EVhotrodder: It is because File:Zittrain2.jpg has a low resolution. Thanks and best wishes. Peter Ormond 💬 02:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: Thanks! You don't by chance know what the threshold is, do you? My google-search-foo is failing me. EVhotrodder (talk) 02:50, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Timothy Heffner

I am attempting to get the above referenced draft published. The issue appears to be the copyright for the three photos. The first was released by Madia Photography, but not sure if properly executed by the business? The other two are personal photos, not protected by copyright. Please help! Since I am an amateur, any detailed help will be appreciated! Pghmedicine (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pghmedicine. You have not submitted your draft to the Articles for Creation process, so nobody will review your draft until you do. Your idea that "personal photos" are "not protected by copyright" is incorrect. A photo that my granddaughter might take of her cat is protected by copyright law in the same way as a masterpiece by a world famous photographer is protected. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Pghmedicine: I added the Articles for Creation template for you, so you can submit the draft when you're ready. Please be sure that every statement in the draft has a corresponding reference before submitting. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Why is every editor cruel in responses?

 2600:6C60:7F:9960:CDD1:D0C8:D877:3EE1 (talk) 02:27, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Simple answer is they aren't. I am sorry that you think this. If you have a specific incident that prompted your post please provide a link to it. MarnetteD|Talk 02:31, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Probably related to Stephanie Barton-Farcas and associated deletion discussion. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 02:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

About a draft

Hello, im currently having issues with my wikipedia draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Forza_Horizon_5#Gameplay is there a way to improve it? Sebby249294 (talk) 02:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

This is a commercial product. The one source that's cited more often than any other is from the website of what appears to be the game's creator. Another source that's used is that company's Twitter account. Simply, Wikipedia isn't interested in what a company says about its products. (Readers wanting that can go straight to the company's website for themselves.) What have reliable, independent sources said about this game? Use these sources. -- Hoary (talk) 03:22, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Create new pages

Hello. My name is Lyubomyr Khaledovych Bilyovych, whom my real name is Adam Daniel bin Asrul, I'm from Malaysia and (Redacted). I'm a very new editor to this web, Wikipedia in various language. I would like to create and produce new pages related to other people and other topics. May I ask your permission to be allowed here for creating new pages that is related to other people and other things? Adamdaniel864 (talk) 00:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Adamdaniel864 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need anyone's permission to create a new Wikipedia article(not just a "page") using Articles for Creation. However, I would caution you that succeeding at creating a new article is the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It takes much time, practice, and effort, and doing it without understanding how Wikipedia operates can lead to hurt feelings and disappointment as things that you don't understand are happening to any draft you write. I don't want you to have bad feelings, so I would suggest that you spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial is also a good idea, before attempting to create a new article at WP:AFC. 331dot (talk) 00:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Adamdaniel864 I looked at your Talk page to see how much editing you have done, and I discovered you have written a few new articles, but they weren't accepted because you didn't use reliable references. Before you try to write another article I would suggest you learn more about Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, and all editors need to show that everything they add to an article is accurate, by showing that the information came from a reliable source.

I believe it would be helpful for you to read dozens of Wikipedia articles on subjects that interest you. That will help you understand how a good article is written. Study how the information is organized, and what references are used. Can you find the same type of references for what you want to write about? After you have read many good articles, start to edit articles, and cite good references for what you add. It may be helpful read Wikipedia:Reliable sources.

I would also suggest you read your first article. There are a lot of rules to learn about how to edit and write for Wikipedia, and you may be discouraged because you have made a few mistakes. But the only way to get better is to practice and learn. I edited for three years before writing my first Wikipedia article, because I knew it would be difficult to write for an encyclopedia. It was hard to learn how to write an article, but all of my editing practice helped me. Please don't be discouraged if it takes time for you to learn how to write a good article. It takes a long time to learn any useful skill. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Got extended autoconfirmed. Question about the translation tool.

Hai! Just to make sure i understood correctly, can you translate other wiki languages pages into English? For example a wiki article from Amharic to English, Japanese to English, Russian to English etc? Or not... thanksDawit S Gondaria (talk) 03:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria: Yes, if the article would meet the English Wikipedia's notability criteria (notability criteria may be different in other language Wikipedias). For more information, see Wikipedia:Translation. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:08, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 05:11, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Dawit S Gondaria, the translation would also have to be properly sourced and meet various other criteria. I can't speak for Amharic- or Russian-language Wikipedias; but you also mention translations from ja:WP. A very high percentage of ja:WP's articles are poorly sourced or mere collections of lists (or collections of poorly sourced lists). Even if carefully translated into English, they'd be junk. -- Hoary (talk) 07:16, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Wragby dispute

An Anon and User (The same person) keeps changing the lead from town to village and claiming there is a debate by locals on it. This is not a valid argument and without sources confirming it to be a village. It is being changed based on local knowledge and beliefs. Could some users help with this. Cheers RailwayJG (talk) 21:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC) RailwayJG (talk) 21:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, RailwayJG, nobody has yet discussed the issue on the talk page. What you and the others are doing is edit warring. Secondly, I haven't found a single one of the sources which calls it a "town". The Vision of Britain quotes an 1870 source which calls it a village. The census calls it a suburb; and the others either don't give it a classification or are not accessible. If you want to claim it is a town, you need a source for that. --ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi RailwayJG. I suggest you start a discussion about this on the article's talk page and invite the other two editors (though my guess is that it's the same person) to participate in the discussion. If you look at their contributions history, they're new editors who probably don't yet know about things such as WP:DR; of course, this doesn't make their editing OK, but it might be something worth considering. So, if you politely invite them to discuss things on the article talk page and explain that article content on Wikipedia is really only intended to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, then perhaps they will better understand you're concerns. If they continue to try and force through their version of the article without trying to discuss things, then they and not you will be clearly wrong and you'll be in a much better position to seek administrator assistance. If, on the other hand, you keep simply reverting them whenever they try to make the change, then the article will likely be noticed by someone and an administrator may eventually decide to step in anyway. The difference between the two is that in the former an administrator is going to likely see that you've made an effort to resolve things through discussion, but in the latter they're likely going to see you as being just another part of the problem. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine and Marchjuly thanks for your replies. I am only simply reverting the new anon/user edits because I have already asked them to provide a source to back it up the "village" term and they keep changing the short description. Same Anon did. The page has always been summariased as a town and the source clarifying this is here "https://archives.history.ac.uk/gazetteer/lincs.html" it was given a market charter which would make it in theory a Market Town. It also has a town hall and judging by this. ELDC call it a village. So maybe like Brewood and Tuxford. To an extent Malpas. It was likely a town but lost its charter and town status. So maybe "Ancient Market Town" would be more formal.? RailwayJG (talk) 22:57, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@RailwayJG: Looking at the satellite map of Wragby, my gut reaction was that it's so small that it's surely a village not a town. Then I found mentioned in web searches of Wragby Town Hall, and thought I must have been wrong. But then I found this Charity Commission entry which rather amusingly shows there must be some people wanting to 'big it up' (see photo). Initially, I could find no definitive modern sources stating categorically it is a town or a village, but there are oodles of mid to late nineteenth century sources showing clearly it was regarded as a 'market town' (example). Personally, I think 'market town' will do perfectly for a short description. Wikipedia's own description of what makes a town is itself a little woolly. Driving through via 'Google Street View' does make me feel rather depressed, so 'village' seems far too good for it (LOL), whilst town seems too grand. Than, at last, I found this 2011 UK Census Data entry which states "Wragby output area E00132630 is categorised by the Office of National Statistics as being within a small town surrounded by inhabited countryside." So I think 'small town' is quite acceptable. I will simply let you folks discuss it on the talk page and please avoid further edit warring (but feel free to copy my comments to that page, if you wish.) Nick Moyes (talk) 23:11, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@RailwayJG: - I'm seeing 2 out of 7 edits yesterday by IPs. This is not into WP:EW territory yet, but I can see there is potential for it to do so. Start a discussion on the talk page. Mjroots (talk) 07:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

Would it be considered sockpuppetry (or breaking any other rule) if I made test accounts like "autoconfirmed" and "extended confirmed" with the appropriate permissions? AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 13:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

You should probably be more concerned that that someone suspects you of socking right now, rather an some point in the future! ——Serial 13:26, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

What is that supposed to mean? AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 13:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I suggest you ignore the lack of good faith demonstrated by an editor who should know better but chooses not to below. I'm sure you realise that with a username such as you have chosen, it is extremely likely that at some point an editor will wonder you knew of such a thing before creating your account here. Personally, I'm sure you have excellent reasons for doing so, and I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to suggest otherwise. But it is probably as well that you understand it may well arise in the future. HTH, ——Serial 14:58, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Ping. ——Serial 20:07, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: I realise that now. I read up on Wikipedia policies before joining and also landed on this page while doing so, and that was the username I chose. - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 00:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I suggest your ignore the comment as a 'drive-by' by an editor who may for other reasons be having a bad day, but from looking at past editing history, rarely shows up at Teahouse. However, a GOOD rule of thumb, is one person, one account. Even with one account, names that imply faux authority are a BAD idea. David notMD (talk) 14:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

There are sometimes legitimate reasons for having more than one account. My other account is Mjroots2 which I use when away from my own computer or on my mobile phone. This is to protect my main account, which holds administrative privileges. Having a second account means I never have to log in with my admin account where I'm not confident that the system is secure. Mjroots (talk) 17:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Having two accounts is not considered sockpuppetry if for entirely different uses, and never on same article. For example, an editor may have one for articles, and another as a Teahouse host or draft reviewer. David notMD (talk) 18:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I also, technically speaking, have multiple accounts. They don't edit, and exist only to prevent impersonation. (The passwords for them are long and completely random "rolled my face on the keyboard" strings anyway that I couldn't memorise even had I wanted to get access to them.) The point is, you generally don't need multiple accounts unless you have a legitimate reason to make them; testing permissions is not a good reason, especially those two (which are granted at certain time+edit thresholds). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 07:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano: I believe than maintaining multiple accounts with various permission levels to test for how things work on the technical level would be valid. At the very minimum, I expect that bot maintainers that need test accounts to check for user groups would be allowed to set up some. WP:SOCKLEGIT is not an exhaustive list, and WP:TESTALT is very close to the case in question.

Of course, any such accounts would have lower or equal permissions to the main account, for obvious reasons, but EGW is ECP already, so it is hard to see what nefarious plot they could set in motion if they were allowed to have an autoconfirmed-only alt. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tigraan: What could I even do worse with an autoconfirmed-only account? - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 07:43, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Other wikis

How to link an article to other language Wikipedia? Peter Ormond 💬 04:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: See Help:Interlanguage links. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:06, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: What is the article, and what other wikis is it on? Mjroots (talk) 07:17, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Check the word 事頭婆 here. Peter Ormond 💬 07:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: I presume you want zh:事頭婆 linking with an article on en-Wiki. The List of titles and Honours of Elizabeth II doesn't seem to me to be the appropriate target. Do you have a different article in mind? Mjroots (talk) 07:27, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: I just wanted to link the word 事頭婆 at List of titles and honours of Elizabeth II to zh:事頭婆 at Chinese Wikipedia. Peter Ormond 💬 07:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: you need this wikitext [[:zh:事頭婆]|事頭婆]], which produces [[:zh:事頭婆]|事頭婆]]. Scrub that - will have to look it up. Mjroots (talk) 07:35, 25 June 2021 (UTC) Mjroots (talk) 07:38, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: I have already linked. Thanks! Peter Ormond 💬 07:40, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: Hmmm, don't know why that didn't show here as according to H:FOREIGNLINK it should have. Mjroots (talk) 07:43, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

who run this place Truman Country Side Red Lions Club_{Kenneth,P}

 66.208.221.125 (talk) 07:50, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm afraid the Teahouse is not the right place to ask this. The Wikipedia: Reference desk or sites like Quora would suit better. GeraldWL 07:57, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Unblocking me from editing pages in the Croatian-language Wikipedia

Hello, I'm Adam Daniel bin Asrul by real name, whom my Ukrainian Slavic name is Lyubomyr Khaledovych Bilyovych, and my Croatian Slavic name is Berislav Ismailović. In fact, I use my real name in this Wikipedia so that my native family members may understand me. I'm an editor of the Wikipedia in various languages. I would like to plead you for this important thing:

I have been blocked from editing pages in the Croatian-language Wikipedia. Can you please discuss with the Croatian-language Wikipedia, so that it can unblock me from editing the pages in it, I cannot wait to create new pages in the Croatian-language Wikipedia and I want to see the page that I created is included in it and is suitable with all information. Please? I cannot wait for it for the first time.

Thank you. Adamdaniel864 (talk) 07:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Adamdaniel864: welcome to the Teahouse. Each Wikipedia version is a separate project, and editors from one project have no say in what happens in another project. Presumably there is a way to appeal a block in Croatian Wikipedia, and that is what you need to look into. Unfortunately there is nothing that English Wikipedia editors can do. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 07:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Adamdaniel864: From what Google translate tells me, you seem to be blocked over there for abusing multiple accounts. Their blocking policy is this. They seem to use the same mechanism as the english Wikipedia, their pendant of {{unblock}} is {{Predložak:Odblokirajte me}} Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Is changing plc to PLC preference if the company calls themself PLC?

I recently edited Tesco PLC as I found the capitalisation of PLC to be odd as it was plc. My edit was recently reverted and I am wondering if I should thank the (administrator) revertor for their help or resolve the problem somewhere? If we should resolve the problem please tell me where to do so. Thanks! P.S. Yes I know about NPOV but I am unsure if this is NPOV or not. WhenYouWiki (A person) (Talk) 09:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@WhenYouWiki: Article talk page. NPOV means something like "y is an awesome soccer player", which isn't neutral. - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 09:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha, thx. WhenYouWiki (A person) (Talk) 09:36, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Your edit was reverted because it broke a template (as noted on the edit summary left by the editor who reverted you). WP:NCCORP points out that Wikipedia doesn't use plc in article titles and I don't think that changing "plc" into "PLC" in the body text of an article is helpful. The lower case version is more common in general, despite what Tesco may themselves sometimes use. As just mentioned, the best place to discuss this is on the article's Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:35, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

There's more evidence against me, so I'll let it be. WhenYouWiki (A person) (Talk) 09:38, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

how to write about myself on wikipedia, im new here

tell me easily how to create my own page here, im new here Sai Charan Paloju (talk) 08:17, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

If you wanted to make an article about yourself, check out Wikipedia:COI, but there might be other problems besides a COI. - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 09:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

A total lack of notability being another. Theroadislong (talk) 09:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Replies on your Talk page clearly explain that your attempts to create an article about yourself did not establish notability, and so were Speedy deleted. Wikipedia is not social media. Articles (not 'pages') exist about people who are notable for their accomplishments. David notMD (talk) 11:04, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Vauthors causing vanucover error

This vauthors=Cardoso DSP, Kincses A, Nové M, Spengler G, Mulhovo S, Aires-de-Sousa J, Dos Santos DJVA, Ferreira MU cause vanucover error. How do I fix it. Its of tabernaemontanine. Machinexa (talk) 10:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

User:Machinexa: Name 1 (Cardoso DSP) gives the error "Vancouver style error: initials in name 1". This may be because of the "DSP". What is this person's full name?
Name 7 (Dos Santos DJVA) gives a different error: "Vancouver style error: name in name 7". I don't know what that means, but again, can you provide the full name of this person too? Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 10:48, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

DesertPipeline (talk) 10:48, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Here's the full name, I have been using citation tool to generate, so could you generate a error-free vauthors.

David S P Cardoso 1 , Annamária Kincses 2 , Márta Nové 2 , Gabriella Spengler 2 , Silva Mulhovo 3 , João Aires-de-Sousa 4 , Daniel J V A Dos Santos 5 , Maria-José U Ferreira 6 (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33189435/)
Machinexa (talk) 11:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

User:Machinexa: Thank you. Please review my edit and tell me if this is correct. Also, I fixed the indenting of your comment. Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 11:17, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

In my experience, Vancouver error triggered when there are more than two initials after the surname. I choose to use the first two, discarding the others. Hence, Cardoso DS and Dos Santos DJ. David notMD (talk) 11:31, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

please let me create an article on sanket mhatre ( voice artist ) , there was an article on sanket mhatre before someone deleted it

 Netajinagar (talk) 10:25, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

"Someone deleted it" sounds oddly casual. What happened is that the article "Sanket Mhatre" was deleted as the result of this discussion; and re-creation was prevented as there were so many attempts to ignore the decision made after the discussion. You could create a draft in your sandbox, of course making sure that this clearly demonstrates what Wikipedia regards as notability. Then invite Patar knight (who concluded the discussion with "delete") to look at it and agree that your draft is very different from and greatly superior to what was deleted, and therefore merits promotion to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 11:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Specifically, initially deleted in 2019, subsequently recreated as an article, and deleted, FOUR MORE TIMES!, and then 'salted' to prevent another recreation without Administrator approval. Sanket Mhatre is a voice-over actor who dubs for non-Hindi films and television being dubbed into Hindi. It is a profession, but it does not make him notable. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Graeme McLagan

I would like help with making a name/subject introduced into the text during an edit, and already on Wikipedia, turn blue. Thank you. Christopher michell Christopher michell (talk) 12:42, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

The only redlink I can see in Graeme McLagan is to the South East Regional Crime Squad. That article doesn't appear to exist, hence is red. Was there an existing article that you wanted the link to go to? That's easily accomplished using the pipe character, as in [[Flying Squad|South East Regional Crime Squad]]. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

What should we do if we create a draft article...

If we get Articles for Creation for article submissions and drafts, what would be editing using a sandbox over these drafts or AfC submissions? In addition, but clearly we must read Help:Your first article. --Diegopeter2013 (talk) 15:29, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Diegopeter2013: Welcome to the teahouse, if I am understanding your question correctly, you are asking about the use of the sandbox page, the sandbox is for testing while the draft space is for more of drafting articles. Main differences between draft space and sandbox spaces are as follows

1. Usually, sandbox pages are unlikely to get deleted
2. Sandbox pages can be used for testing warning templates, welcoming templates, user boxes (and many more)
3. While sandbox pages can be submitted for AfC, a draft article's goal is to be submitted to AfC, or moved directly to mainspace.
4. Draft space is more welcome to collaboration, while sandboxes are more limited to the user who created it.

If you have any other questions, or if I misunderstood your question, please reply to this thread or start a new question. Justiyaya (talk) 16:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

vi chiedo se è possibile inserire nella pagina di Annalisa Malara l'articolo del giornale NTYTimes dal titolo " i giorni persi che hanno reso Bergamo una tragedia del Coronavirus. grazie

 95.236.42.246 (talk) 15:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Richieste di cambiare lo contenuto di pagine se dovano inscibire sulla pagine dello articolo specificato (nel cuesto caso, Talk:Annalisa Malara). Allora, ecco in Wikipedia inglese è previsto parlare in inglese. Si non puoi voi parlare in inglese, suggerisco che voi participare na Wikipedia Italiana. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Help with process for conflict resolution and potentially reporting sockpuppetry

This is a sticky subject and probably not the right place to discuss this. One of the pages (a WP:BLP) I have on my watchlist had a recent edit and I found that the citations did not back their primary claim and none could be found so I reverted with a post on the talk page of the article. The editor reverted my revert without giving a reason, discussion, or addressing the concern. I placed a simple message (not a conflict template) on their talk page and pinged them in the main article's talk page as well. Upon checking their other edits I found that they have only worked on the page in question and suspiciously (although I'm still WP:AGF) their first edit was made right after protection was removed from that page for disruptive editing. All of their edits seem to be focusing on the individual's achievements so it is possible that this current account making edits is the same as one of the accounts due to whom the page was protected in the first place. Alternatively there could be conflict of interest. Pure speculation right now of course. Any help would be welcome. -Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 15:08, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I've welcomed the user with {{welcome-COI}}. It looks like a clear-cut COI case to me. JavaHurricane 16:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ujwal.Xankill3r, welcome to the teahouse. I would like to assure you that you are probably in the right here (I'm assuming you're referring to Amitabh Kant), and if you suspect the user is a sock puppet, and have evidence to back it up, open an investigation at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations (I am not experienced in this field so some other editor will probably be more qualified to answer here). Justiyaya (talk) 16:19, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both! I'll re-check the 2/3 accounts that started this all before the protection was put into place and look at the sockpuppet investigations page. -Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 16:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Tweets as sources

Are tweets considered valid sources to use as a cite for information in an article? I am somewhat unclear on this point after reading a related policy article. Thanks! THX1136 (talk) 01:14, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@THX1136: Twitter and other social media and self-published sources can be used in very limited circumstances. See WP:TWEET for when it can be used and there is also a link there on how to do the citation for it. RudolfRed (talk) 01:20, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and help!THX1136 (talk) 01:45, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

After reading the article you linked, I'm thinking the instance I read may be inappropriate. The article is Three Dog Night and the info cited by tweet was Van Dyke Parks' claim of having 'given' the group their name. Thanks again for your help. THX1136 (talk) 02:03, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

THX1136, if the verified Twitter account for a notable person tweets, "Today is my 35th birthday!", then that can be used as a reference for their date of birth, unless the person is a known liar, or obviously over 50 or under 20. But, if a baseball player tweets that they will hit 80 home runs in the 2022 season, then that should be excluded as self-serving, implausible and a crystal ball prediction. This is an example of the importance of good editorial judgement. As for the claim made by Van Dyke Parks, that seems self-serving to me. If that claim is true, then there should be independent, reliable sources that confirm it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:14, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Cullen: Thanks for the further explanation. That confirms I was understanding policy correctly. The main reason I asked was due to the fact that I was tempted to completely remove the info until a suitable source could be found. THX1136 (talk) 16:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

How can i create a page which was previously deleted ?

I wanted to create a page for an actor in wikipedia but i came to know that some others have tried to create this and got deleted due to diffrent reasons.How can i again make a page that was previously deleted? please help me out Bgaustin (talk) 10:58, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bgaustin: could you tell me which page? JavaHurricane 11:03, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bgaustin, theoretically speaking you just recreate it, if it was deleted under a G4 via a deletion discussion insofar as the old article and the new one aren’t similar you should have no problems. That’s just in theory though if you could provide the precise article as suggested above then, a more precise answer can be given. Celestina007 (talk) 14:58, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bgaustin, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are several different possible answers, depending on the reasons why the article was deleted previously - as others have said, we would need to know the name of the actor to find that. Most articles that are deleted for either lack of notability, copyright infringement, or pure promotion. If it is copyright infringment or pure promotion, it is unlikely that an admin would be willing to restore it, so you would need to start from scratch. If it was deleted as non-notable, then it is possible that an admin would agree to restore it so that you could work on it and add the new sources which establish that the subject is notable - see REFUND. Either way, your tasks begins with finding suitable sources to establish that the actor meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability: if they do not exist, then you should stop trying, as no article will be accepted. If you can find suitable sources, then you can try the difficult task of creating a draft: please see your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Mason Smith

I am just wondering why my draft was declined. The work I have submitted "Mason Smith" just had another news article on T.V today Bruinsfan65 (talk) 07:10, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Bruinsfan65, the amount of sources already makes it notable in my opinion, but there's a huge problem. The "early life" and "career statistics" section is not cited, meaning there's no sources. Also with the first paragraph and last sentence of the "playing career" section. Suggestion: I would change "playing" to "hockey", playing sounds trivial. GeraldWL 07:20, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

"This submission's references [...] do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) ...." Or so says Calliopejen1. If this is true, it's hardly surprising, as your biographee, Mason Smith is still a teenager. -- Hoary (talk) 07:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Bruinsfan65, There is no way he qualifies for an article. In the references, we have one link to the website of his company (not independent), two links to his team's website (not independent), three links to two local news stories about a teen starting a business during Covid (local human interest stories, not significant), one local news story not about him specifically that mentions his name once, and one website that is a database about prospects for high school hockey players. This is not a person who merits an article in Wikipedia. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Music album cover

Hey I am new on Wikipedia and create an song article but I don't know how to upload music album cover Menu maharaj (talk) 07:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Menu maharaj, first check if the cover is copyrighted. If yes, click "Upload file" from the desktop sidebar and follow the steps. If not copyrighted (example Creative Commons, public domain), you can upload it at Wikimedia Commons. GeraldWL 07:15, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, you seem to imply that what has a Creative Commons license is not copyrighted. Not so. It's also not true that what has a Creative Commons license can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. (Whether it can or not depends on the particular license.) Menu maharaj, where did you find the image, and what does the source say about the copyright status of the image? -- Hoary (talk) 07:26, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, sorry, I failed to elaborate. Menu maharaj, Creative commons licences with NonCommerical (NC) or NonDeriviative (ND) are not allowed. GeraldWL 07:28, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Hoary I found the image on Apple music and copyright belong to the artist.

@Menu maharaj: In most cases, you can use an image of a copyrighted album cover to illustrate an article about the album only, by uploading it as non-free content to Wikipedia (not to Commons), tagging it with {{Non-free album cover}} and {{Non-free use rationale album cover}}. But non-free images can't be used in drafts, so you shouldn't upload an image until your draft is accepted as an article. (Non-free images unused in articles are subject to deletion.) Deor (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

How do I add pictures when I'm editing

How do I add a picture when I'm editing a page please me out how do I do this  AnimeXweeb (talk) 16:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@AnimeXweeb: There are several examples at Help:Pictures. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

How to respond to edits replacing BC to BCE?

I saw an editor replacing all instances of BC with BCE [3]. is there a policy that specifies when you're allowed to do this like with British/American spellings? I wasn't sure whether to revert or not. Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 05:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cheerful Squirrel: Yes, see MOS:BCE. GoingBatty (talk) 05:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cheerful Squirrel. That content has nothing to do with either Christianity or even plausible pre-Christian religion. In my view, the non-religious and neutral BCE is appropriate for this content. Each case must be judged in context. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:36, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Cheerful Squirrel, GoingBatty, Cullen328: Cullen may be right on the merit of BCE in this case, but according to MOS:ERA (second bulleted point) an article's established era style should not be changed without a talk-page consensus to do so. So you would certainly be justified in reverting, citing the absence of talk-page discussion in your edit summary. (You may also decide that reverting isn't worth the trouble in this case.) Deor (talk) 17:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Whispers novel

Sorry but I made a bit of a mess, can someone redirect Whispers (1993 novel) to Whispers (Plain novel) and delete Whispers (Pain novel), sorry for being a pain, Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 16:19, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@GrahamHardy: You can use WP:Requested moves to ask for technical help to delete the redirect and allow the page to be moved. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I asked for Whispers (Pain novel) to be moved to Whispers (Plain novel), fingers crossed... GrahamHardy (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

All OK now, a bit of a pain though...GrahamHardy (talk) 17:40, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Tone of Biography - Rose Matsui Ochi

Hi, I'm writing a biography about Rose Matsui Ochi. Would you offer any tips on tone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rose_Matsui_Ochi#Early_Life_and_Education

Many thanks! Dsalerno (talk) 16:04, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Dsalerno: Please provide a reliable source for every statement and quotation. Phrases such as "fired her lifelong commitment to fight for the underdog", "pivotal roles", and "forever associated" do not seem to have an encyclopedic tone. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:20, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dsalerno, welcome to the teahouse. First of all, great draft, it seems evident that you put a lot of effort into it. You should add links to the article to improve it's readability. You need more sources to back up unreferenced claims about the subject of the article. As for the NPOV issues, I would say that the last sentence "at a time when women were viewed as nothing more than housekeepers", "forever associated" and "pivotal roles in helping the community" in the Work Life section are examples of NPOV issues in the draft. Finally, I would add a infobox to provide information at a glance for the reader. Draft contains copyvio issues -Justiyaya (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, GoingBatty and Justiyaya. I appreciate your helpful comments!

Justiyaya, how would I add an infobox to provide information at a glance for the reader? If you point me to the instructions, I am happy to add. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsalerno (talk • contribs)

Note: Draft has since been deleted for unambiguous copyright violation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Lone signature without a question

Lucasmundofantasia (talk) 18:50, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lucasmundofantasia: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about how to edit or use Wikipedia? Kleinpecan (talk) 18:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

biography submission

Draft:Professor Faisal Dar (Sitara-e-Imtiaz) I have submitted this updated and valid biography but its submission is declined due to the presence of another biography with this link Draft:Faisal Dar

Kindly remove or delete the link (Draft:Faisal Dar), so that above mentioned actual biography may considered for review. Itrat Aun (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Itrat Aun Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The exact title of the draft is not important; if it is accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title. I think it is a long ways from being accepted, as it has much promotional language in it. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 14:25, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Your draft deleted. The other draft declined. Given that you did not create the other draft, you are not allowed to ask for it to be deleted. If both drafts about the same person, you could contact the creator of Draft:Faisal Dar to ask if it would be OK for you to edit it. David notMD (talk) 19:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

How to Revert an Edit After Realizing COI

Hello Friends, Is there a way to revert an edit to a suggestion post-publishing? I realized I should after editing a page that I thought I was an expert on. It turns out I just have a major conflict of interest based off of the definition. I'd still like to suggest the edits because it has a lot of great unbiased updated information, but I don't want to type and research everything all over again. I spent like 5 hours on it. Esylve (talk) 16:16, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Esylve: One option could be to post on the article's talk page, to see what other interested editors think about your edit. GoingBatty (talk) 16:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty:That's a great idea! Thank you. I also declared it on my user page. I'm so excited about writing on wikipedia. I was always fascinated with encyclopedias as a kid and this is like, the world's hugest encyclopedia. Esylve (talk) 16:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I personally would not consider your COI (editing an article about a University you attended as a student) as particularly severe, so I suggest leaving you edits in the article. You have properly declared COI on your User page and the article's Talk page. You added two images as "own work." Are these really yours? David notMD (talk) 19:35, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Secondary Sources

Hi, I just wanted to clarify what a secondary source is. So a press release or the first published article on a topic would not count as a secondary source, but websites or articles containing info from the primary source counts as secondary? For instance, I am currently editing an article about person and her past jobs, one where she was a press secretary to a Premier. I can't find any other article where it exclusively talks about the appointment of the person as the press secretary to the Premier, but there are articles that reference her being the press secretary (i.e. her name followed by her title) , but only in one sentence as the article is not about her appointment. Would that count as a secondary source? Would other articles that reference her previous role be considered as a secondary source and be used as a citation? Cynthiaboardoftrade (talk) 19:40, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cynthiaboardoftrade: This might clarify things for you. Wikipedia:No original research#Primary. A press release is a primary source. A discussion of the press release is a secondary source. I could issue a press release on Businesswire saying I'm the King of Spain, but it is up to journalists covering that release to determine if it's a valid claim or not. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cynthiaboardoftrade: Articles from reliable newspapers or magazines that reference her being the press secretary could be used as a source to support a statement that she was a press secretary. However, the article should have multiple independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage about her to demonstrate that she meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:11, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

IP editor removing sandbox heading

Pinging IP editor in question to discuss here: User:95.54.191.40 User talk:95.54.191.40 Special:Contributions/95.54.191.40

Hi, I'm User:TypicalWikimedian. I noticed an IP editor, namely 95.54.191.40, repeatedly removing the sandbox header from the sandbox, having been told to stop multiple times (in edit summaries (like this one) and on their talk page (history)). In addition, the IP also adds the {{nobots}} template to prevent the sandbox heading from being put back. What should I do? Should I treat it as vandalism? --TypicalWikimedian (talk • contribs) 20:06, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

P.S. The IP almost exclusively edits the sandboxes, making me feel like they're not doing anything to improve the encyclopedia. --TypicalWikimedian (talk • contribs) 20:08, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP from editing the sandbox and the associated template. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:15, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Wiktionary

How to cite Wiktionary in articles? Peter Ormond 💬 22:15, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

You shouldn't cite it. You may link to it. [[:wikt:crepuscular|crepuscular]] → crepuscular. -- Hoary (talk) 22:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

(ec) @Peter Ormond: Wiktionary is user generated content and so it is not a reliable source for use in Wikipedia articles. But, each entry will have, on the right side list of links a "cite this page" link that will show what citations would look like in various forms (APA, MLA, etc) if you were to use it. Example: [4] RudolfRed (talk) 22:26, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

View history

When looking at (View history) revision/older version history of articles, what does the commands cur and prev do and the ability to fill in the circle selection option for each revision do. 47.150.227.219 (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Page history:

1. (cur) takes you to a diff page, showing the difference between that edit and the current revision. The current revision appears below the changes, so you can see how the page is now rendered.
2. (prev) takes you to a diff page showing the changes between that edit and the previous revision. The most recent revision (the one on the same line as the "prev" you clicked on) appears below the changes, so you can see how the page was rendered.
3. The two columns of radio buttons can be used to select any two revisions on the page. The current selection is marked by a special background. The two most recent revisions are selected by default when you first view the history (that is why they appear framed and have a different background, see horizontal area below 4). Let's say you want to compare the revisions corresponding to numbers 10 & 11 on the image. First, click the left radio button next to number 11. The right column of buttons will then fill as far as number 11. Then click the right button next to number 10. Finally click Compare selected revisions. This takes you to a diff page showing the changes between the two revisions. The most recent revision (in this case number 10) appears below the changes, so you can see how the page was rendered.}}

Kleinpecan (talk) 00:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Deleting out of date information

Hi there I'm new to editing so this is a basic question. Where information is out of date, for example information sourced from a 2009 survey that is no longer accurate, is it better to remove this entirely or reframe the article to "In 2009...However more recently...". Pipiwharauroa (talk) 22:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

The latter, and switch to past tense where appropriate: No longer "The population is [...]", but instead "In 2009, the population was [...]". Better still, of course, is to update the article, from a source that is just as reliable for 2021 (or whenever) as the older one was for 2009. -- Hoary (talk) 00:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Arakanese Literature

We are Arakanese. We are trying to teach Arakanese to others who want to learn Arakanese. At this time we are mixed with Burmese written language. Burmese and Arakanese speak the languages very nearest to understand each other. But many Burmese pretend that they do not understand Arakanese. Arakanese speak their language very exactly, but Burmese speak the language imperfectly. Most Arakanese do not like Burmese because of its imperfectness, however they speak Burmese in need of relationship with Burmese people. At this time we will need our language to develop better. We are trying to use an old style of Arakanese writing that was unknown by many others in Arakan. Some Arakanese want to write their language to be different from Burmese style of writing. Vesalimagadha writing is a different one from Burmese writing. We have found it. We will give a message to our people Arakanese who want to learn Vesalimagadha Arakanese. We will need your Wikipedia to assist us. We honestly ask your assistance to use this Wikipedia. Wikipedia is very helpful to all people in the world. Thank you all who are working in Wikipedia. Vesali Magadha Arakanese (talk) 03:19, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

(i) This page is about English-language Wikipedia. What assistance with English-language Wikipedia are you asking for? (ii) Wikipedia (in any language) is not a place to attempt to right wrongs. -- Hoary (talk) 03:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Vesali Magadha Arakanese: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia isn't an instruction manual, so your intention may be inappropriate for this website, but it could be appropriate for our sister Wikimedia project, Wikibooks. Just understand that Wikimedia projects try to maintain neutrality. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Vesali Magadha Arakanese: Are you trying to propose a new Wikipedia for your language? Go here: [5]. I've never done it before, but there are instructions there at the top of the page. RudolfRed (talk) 03:47, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Woredas or District

The articles on Ethiopian Third Level administrative zones use the word "Woredas" in their title, which translates into English as "District". For instance, Danot (woreda). Woreda is not defined in most common English dictionaries, and nor does the word appear to be used as the primary term in a brief review of English-language sources[6][7].

This does not seem to be in accordance with WP:NCGN or MOS:FOREIGN, and so it seems these articles should be moved. However, this will involve moving several hundred pages, so before I do this I thought it would be best to confirm my interpretation, and ask if I should obtain a consensus for this from somewhere? BilledMammal (talk) 07:01, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I suggest you take this up on the Talk page of WP:WikiProject Ethiopia. Given that Wikipedia uses Woreda as a synonym for these districts, I would guess that use in this way has already gained consensus and you certainly shouldn't unilaterally change them all. See WT:WikiProject_Ethiopia/Geography#Woreda_categories and perhaps reach out to editors who contributed there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:44, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, done. BilledMammal (talk) 03:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Does anyone know who eradicated the article on weather as weaponry?

There's a Geneva Convention on the use of weather as weaponry after Monsanto was using it during the Vietnam War. Wikipedia had a great deal of information and now, it's gone.

George Orwell's concept is winning. "Those who control the past control the future." Dibrager (talk) 18:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Dibrager This isn't an Orwellian issue. There has never been an article titled "weather as weaponry". Do you have the exact title of this article? 331dot (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

331dot, I wonder if Dibrager is talking about Environmental Modification Convention.

There is also Weather warfare article. RudolfRed (talk) 19:01, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Not to pile on, but you may also be interested in other articles on the United States' attempted herbicidal warfare and weather warfare during the Vietnam War, including Operation Ranch Hand and Operation Popeye. RoxySaunders (talk · contribs) 04:06, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

How can i create a user template?

 Debasis(Gopinathpuria) (talk) 03:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Debasis(Gopinathpuria): Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you referring to the userboxes that are on your user page? If so, see Wikipedia:Userboxes. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:06, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) hi @Debasis(Gopinathpuria) and welcome to the teahouse! do you mean a userbox? the Template:Userbox is what's used for those, simply fill in the details. all you really need to create a basic userbox are the id (the small left box), info (the longer right box), id-c (color of the left box), and info-c (color of the right box) tags. if you need any extra help, feel free to ask or ping me, I do way too many userboxes.

if you are asking for a user infobox however, that's over at Template:Infobox Wikipedia user and you can just copy/paste the template and fill in the details. happy editing!   melecie   t 04:14, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

oh, and since having too many options may be overwhelming, here's the code to copy paste for a simple userbox:

{{userbox
| id = <!-- small box text/image -->
| id-c = <!-- small box background color -->
| info = <!-- long box text/image -->
| info-c = <!-- long box background color -->
}}

  melecie   t 04:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Continuous reverting of my edits!

Hey, a guy called Eddaido reverted my edits with a reason of *No and No* What was this? The article on which he reverted my edits are MG Cars. I am making edits on the article with proper citations and making it more clear that the brand is a chinese owned brand rather than a british brand. When you first open that articles its called a british brand and then a chinese owned brand. I made it clear that what were my edits and what changes i did. But for a reason that guy just reverted my edits with a reason called *no and no* ? What is this? Does wikipedia workes on likes of people or facts? And i am mentioning proper reasons as well but he is reverting my edits. Please check it! Badassboy 63637 (talk) 06:18, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Badassboy 63637: You’d be better off discussing this on the article talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Badassboy 63637: Better ask him (User:Eddaido) directly on his talk page, if you giving right info about the article.

@Badassboy 63637:, User:Eddaido Forgot to sign. Siddartha897 (talk) 08:18, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

More than one editor reverted your changes. The Lead already acknowledges that the Brit brand is now owned by a Chinese company, so there is no need to also add that to the first sentence. NOTE: This is an article about the history of the brand: "This article is about the history of the MG marque and the M.G. Car Co. Ltd (1930–1972)." Please stop trying to change the Lead. David notMD (talk) 08:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Uploading images

Next discussion : #Reference problem

I have a small doubt; how can I upload images in my draft article in Wikipedia? Hrishikesh Namboothiri V (talk) 06:33, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Hrishikesh Namboothiri V: If the image is freely licensed, you may upload it to our sister Project Wikimedia Commons using their upload wizard which will also provide you with the syntex needed to insert the image. If the image is not freely licensed, then you may not upload it at this time because fair use images are not allowed in draftspace. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

If this is about Draft:Traditional Malayalam months, I suggest you work on adding references before resubmitting, and delay any attempts to add images until after you get the draft accepted as an article. David notMD (talk) 08:50, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I discovered that an article Malayalam calendar exists. Given this, I recommend you stop working on your draft. David notMD (talk) 09:01, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Trouble with page move

Attempted to move Draft: Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles to Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles, but I think I mad a mistake. Content ended up at Wikipedia: Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles. Oops! Sorry. this was my first time. Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 01:37, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Reverted. Most users can't move anything to Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles, because the latter already exists. (You'd have to delete it before you moved anything there.) In the talk page of your draft, you say "For the last month I have been at work, in my sandbox, on an expansion of the Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles." Actually, a candidate replacement for it. There are various ways to implement such a replacement, but I'm not going to guess which (if any) is most appropriate, and right now I don't have the time to investigate. Perhaps another administrator would care to do so. -- Hoary (talk) 01:56, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Started in my sandbox. Moved to the draftspace. Now want to move to the main space. Why is in need of investigation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silence of Järvenpää (talk • contribs)

Because there's a problem: the target exists. (i) Blank the content of the target, copy the content of the draft, plonk the new content in. (NB you'd lose all the history of the draft.) (ii) Delete the target, move the draft to the target address. (NB The old article wouldn't just be out of sight, it would be irretrievable for most users.) (iii) Attempt some kind of history merge. -- Hoary (talk) 03:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

DragonflySixtyseven has done the third of these. -- Hoary (talk) 09:06, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Not a Paid Contributor

Hi Teahouse I'm new here so forgive me. I noticed an article I was editing that I have retrieved from deletion a few times now has the heading "this article may have been paid for." Is there anyway to remove this? I did not create the article but am a fan of Detroit music and this particular artist has been stellar achieving satellite radio play. I looked her up after hearing her on SiriusXM and begin to submit to her wiki. I initially found her article in the delete retrieved it and started to help her. Draft:Eliza_Neals . Now the article will need to be published after its recovery I have not doen this before. I am not paid and don't have a conflict of interest as I'm just a fan, however the press and radio play continues to pour in. I have used her website and verified sources before submitting any links. I also updated Detroit area music acts of historic significance and others that may be inaccurate. I'm not on here often and noticed I may have missed a few alerts any way to tie these to my email address? Ok thanks BluesRock007 (talk) 11:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

BluesRock007 At Draft:Eliza Neals I have removed the undeclared paid editing tag because the creating editor has since been indefinitely blocked. You can submit the draft to Articles for Creation (AfC) review by putting subst:submit at the very top, inside of double curly brackets {{ }}. There is a backlog of thousands of submitted drafts. The system is not a queue. It could be days, weeks, or (sadly) months before a reviewer decides to look at it. David notMD (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Fastest train service in India

Main article: High-speed rail in India

Fastest train service operating in India should Gatimaan Express with actual operating speed up to 160km/h. But Vande Bharat Express's 180/km/h not actual operating speed on track for revenue service. All train can running up to 130km/h, only actual speed can describe on "Fastest train service" articles, unless clarify as "theoretical speed" or similar.

If someone believe the fact of Fastest train service operating in India has different view on me, please provide reliable source as a evidence.Hmht45tgree3d (talk) 10:18, 26 June 2021 (UTC) Hmht45tgree3d (talk) 10:18, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Hmht45tgree3d The best place for this discussion would be on the article talk page of the relevant article. 331dot (talk) 10:19, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

My talk page

I don't know why, but my talk page is included in a category for an unknown reason. Can anybody help me sort that out? Thank you. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 21:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ken Tony: Done. Have a look at the diff Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 21:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Oh, that was quick. Thank you Timtrent. Cheers. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 21:30, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ken Tony For any similar problems relating to Categories, try Hotcat. —Qwerfjkltalk 10:24, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I have HotCat Qwerfjkl, but that time, I couldn't remove it with HotCat. That's why I asked for assistance. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 10:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ken Tony Oops! —Qwerfjkltalk 10:43, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: Ha. No problem. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 10:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

reliable sources

Please someone to explain how to add reliable sources. I'm new and really need your help. Thanks Vanya Kostova (talk) 11:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Vanya Kostova. You can found out some more information about how Wikipedia defines a "reliable source" on this page and you can find out some more about how to add citations to a Wikipedia article on this page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:39, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Very simply, Draft:Babak Shayan doesn't give the reader any reason to believe what it says. Compare, say, the article Lloyd Coxsone: this does a decent job of pairing each assertion with a reliable source. -- Hoary (talk) 12:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Best place to start editing

Hi, I'm User:TypicalWikimedian. I'm wondering today about the best place and method to start editing articles.

Also, I'm still a bit nervous about editing, since my edits are immediately visible to readers. (Even though I've edited by IP before.) —TypicalWikimedian (talk) 16:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC), comment edited again on 16:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@TypicalWikimedian: One of many nice things about Wikipedia editing is that there are a lot of guardrails to protect the encyclopedia but also to encourage new editors to participate in a productive way. You are unlikely to break anything, and if you make any mistakes, you can revert them, and others can as well. There are also bots that help with site maintenance. If you’re looking for a great place to get started, the Wikipedia:Community portal has a help out section. Happy editing! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

• TypicalWikimedian, Making mistakes is concomitant with genuine new editors, so you have no worries, as stated by Timtempleton, when you inadvertently make a blunder we have fine editors and bots to help correct any good faith errors. I can’t remember a time in my first month of editing where my edits weren't errors, I even made great blunders by testing my editing skills on live articles.

Till date, there isn’t any editor who does not make mistakes, we gain experience by making mistakes.

To answer your question, the best place to start testing your editing skills will be in your sandbox. I wouldn’t advise you to edit on live articles yet except they are minor, such as spelling and grammar corrections. Celestina007 (talk) 16:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@TypicalWikimedian: Welcome to the Teahouse! There's also an interactive tutorial that you may be interested in. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I've already taken it, but it's not enough. I have to say, this is like walking into a new world. --TypicalWikimedian (talk • contribs) 18:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@TypicalWikimedian: The suggestions offered by Timtempleton and Celestina007 are good starting points for beginners. I recommend editing sparsely in the Wikipedia namespace (i.e., pages that are prefixed with Wikipedia:) for now, unless you're participating in a WikiProject or asking for help on a page like here. You may also be interested in putting yourself up for adoption so that an interested experienced editor can help guide you along processes, policies, guidelines, and more. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:06, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@TypicalWikimedian WP:Backlog might help, or this:

You can help improve the articles listed below! This list updates frequently, so check back here for more tasks to try. (See Wikipedia:Maintenance or the Task Center for further information.)

Fix spelling and grammar

• Acts of the Martyrs
• Child abuse in China
• Alleanza Cattolica
• Shawn Stuckey
• My People, My Country (song)

More... • Learn how

Fix wikilinks

• Blender (software)
• Puteri Indonesia 2022
• An Jung-sik
• Arthur Japin
• Jang Jo-yoon

More... • Learn how

Update with new information

• I-35W Mississippi River bridge
• Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006
• Mark Smith (novelist)
• Trams in Stockholm
• Domestic partnership in Maine

More... • Learn how

Expand short articles

• XPD
• The Rangoon Man
• River of Death
• Bahama Crisis
• The Man Who Was Saturday

More... • Learn how

Check and add references

• International Literacy Association
• Folktronica
• Somerville College, Oxford
• Uri Geller
• Paul Menesius

More... • Learn how

Fix original research issues

• Indian locomotive class WAG-7
• Load (computing)
• Technopaganism
• Deforestation in Nigeria
• Deep map

More... • Learn how

Improve lead sections

• Chi Chia-wei
• Christian literature
• Omamori
• National symbols of Taiwan
• D.A.V. Academy

More... • Learn how

Add an image

• Mount Washington, Los Angeles
• Mount Disappointment (Australia)
• Madinatul Uloom Bagbari
• Mosque of Lima
• MigratieMuseumMigration

More... • Learn how

Translate and clean up

• Battle of Zalău
• Valeriya Golubtsova
• UPTI Affair
• Knulp
• Toyouke-hime

More... • Learn how

Help counter systemic bias by creating new articles on important women.

Help improve popular pages, especially those of low quality.

—Qwerfjkltalk 10:18, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: The backlogs are so large! How did they end up like that? -- TypicalWikimedian (talk • contribs) 15:52, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Charmed_Playhouses

Hi. I accidentally duplicated my draft for the article Charmed Playhouses. The article was declined because the draft existed. Then the draft was deleted because the article exists. In an endless loop of neither of them existing or pending review, both citing the other as the reason. I attempted to resubmit the draft. But I am worried it will be denied again, because of the non-existent article page. Any advice? Thank you! Its393939 (talk) 12:27, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Its393939! Moving on from all that happened, Draft:Charmed Playhouses is the one you should improve and submit. If there is content in Draft:Charmed Playhouses(2) that you wish to include in your submission, move it to the former. After improving the draft, I recommend that you address the question of your apparent conflict of interest that the previous reviewer raised, before you submit it for review again. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:11, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Need help with archiving

Hello, this is sort of stupid, but to archive, I copied another editor's code (and notified them). The code worked and archive happened but the archived are not showing in the box at the top right like they usually do. Can someone help me fix this? My talk page is here [8] Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:44, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Looks like copying the editor's code resulted in Archive 4 and Archive 5, but not an Archive 1, 2, or 3. Maybe it's not working because there's no Archive 1? If you don't receive an answer here, you might want to ask at Template talk:Archives. I also added {{Unsigned}} in one section, because without a signature, the section won't get archived. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:07, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I noticed that it also created an Archive 3. I think it is going backwards from 5 which is okay with me but it doesn't show them on my main page. Thanks for adding the unsigned template. I will also check the talk page of archives. Very helpful suggestion. Tea house never fails me. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 11:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, the code you had had the counter set to 4 instead of 1. That's why it's acting weird. My advice is to move archive 4 to archive 1, archive 5 to archive2, and set the counter on your talk page to 2, so that the bot starts filling up the archive in order. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:27, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Usedtobecool. Will try this. PS: I think you are still pretty cool! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

History of PROD and AfD

Is there an easy way to tell if an article has previously been nominated for deletion? TipsyElephant (talk) 16:33, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

TipsyElephant, that information is usually available on the article's talk page. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Reference problem

Previous discussion : #Uploading images

 Courtesy link: Draft:Traditional Malayalam months

I can't delete references from my draft article. Please fix it. Hrishikesh Namboothiri V (talk) 09:49, 26 June 2021 (UTC). And, thank you Victor Schmidtfor giving me the information

Hrishikesh Namboothiri V To delete your draft, which is recommended on your Talk page, at the top of your draft, put Db-g7 inside of double curly brackets {{ }}. This will bring your draft to the attention of an Administrator, who will delete it. David notMD (talk) 16:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Can't publish my draft

I can't publish my draft article 'Traditional Malayalam months'. Wikipedia says that Submission declined on 25 June 2021 by KylieTastic. Hrishikesh Namboothiri V (talk) 10:13, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Hrishikesh Namboothiri V Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As noted by the reviewer, your draft is completely unsourced. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources state about a topic. Please see Your First Article for more information. If you haven't already, you may wish to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia and how it operates- this is good to know before attempting to write a new article, which is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 10:17, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

As noted, there is an existing article on Malayalam calendar; you may wish to contribute to that article instead of creating a new one that duplicates its content. 331dot (talk) 10:18, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

See above on how to delete your draft. David notMD (talk) 16:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Premature deaths

Moved from Help talk:Contents § HiEma--or (talk) 16:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the right forum (WP is really confusingly, big), but I'm looking for content or categories relating to premature deaths. Posting elsewhere for coverage. Feel free to remove if inappropriate or off-point.

@Ema--or: Category:Deaths by cause is probably the closest thing we have, as "premature" is a bit of an amorphous concept. For next time, you can post questions at the WP:Teahouse or (if they don't relate to editing) at the WP:Reference desk. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC) Thanks, seen. Ema--or (talk) 17:05, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

a word that would encompass the idea of self-actuation

 Disclaimed (talk) 07:51, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Disclaimed: What do you mean? Ask questions relvant to WP, not other stuff.Siddartha897 (talk) 08:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Disclaimed, look in a search engine for "thesaurus", and look in the thesaurus for "self-actuation". (And Siddartha897, "Please " adds just six keystrokes.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Disclaimed: and @Hoary: I apologzie.

@Disclaimed: @Hoary: forgot to sign. Siddartha897 (talk) 17:07, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Join as a board member in local Wikimedia

How can I join as a board member of local Wikimedia? I am from Bangladesh. SojolRana (talk) 17:29, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello SojolRana and welcome to the Teahouse. You can find out more information about joining Wikimedia Bangladesh here: [ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh#Becoming_a_member ]. It does cost money also, while editing a wiki is always free. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:16, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

How to make a UserBox.

How can I make a Userbox on Wikipedia? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 21:26, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

As explained here, ItsJustdancefan. -- Hoary (talk) 21:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit Boldness

How bold should I be with my edits? Can I rewrite without seeking permission, or do I write gingerly? What is the link to the page about edit boldness?

- 56independent (talk) 21:53, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Notacoworcat. Whilst you can WP:BEBOLD with your editing, as you're very new to Wikipedia please don't be too bold, and don't reinsert something you've changed if it then gets reverted. Instead of edit-warring because your preferred change has been rejected, that's actually then the time to discuss with the other person. If you're planning a major rewrite of something, I'd suggest it's never a bad idea to outline your concerns on the article's talk page first and see what others think. The choice of approach is yours. Just remember we work by consensus, not personal preference, and you should be OK. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:05, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

PS: if you don't like your original username, you might wish to read Wikipedia:Changing username. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:06, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Notacoworcat: Without boldness nothing would ever get done. Being bold basically means that if you have a good idea on how to improve an article, don't sit on it for a long time, thinking if people are going to like it, asking around if it's a good idea etc. but do it. Seeing is believing. People will see the change and immediately understand the reasoning behind it, and in most cases accept that it's an improvement, making many potentially long and fruitless discussions unnecessary (edit summaries help a lot here though, which is why they're so important). So boldness isn't about intensity of emotion behind your edits, but simply about efficiency. Then, if someone comes up who thinks it wasn't such a good idea, you wouldn't tell them "I was bold, meaning I'm entitled to that edit" – you'd give them the rationale that you started out with, and try to reach consensus. If your original thinking was merely something like "hmm let me try this *bold* edit out and see if it sticks", then you weren't bold in the right sense. — Alalch Emis (talk) 22:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Alalch Emis - that's a really good add-on response. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Does this article have a problem?

Does this article have a problem? Today (American TV program) ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan: Nothing that jumps out. It's rated B-class which is pretty good. Is there a specific concern you have? You can start a discussion on that article's talk page if you see a problem or have suggestions to improve it. RudolfRed (talk) 01:46, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Copyright tag

Let's just say I want to upload a screen capture of an extract taken from one of these affidavits at the following link. What would be the correct copyright tag to use?

http://wiki.prov.vic.gov.au/index.php/Eureka_Stockade:Depositions_VPRS_5527/P_Unit_2,_Item_9 Robbiegibbons (talk) 02:51, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Based on their website, these are PD if they're from the 19th century, as Crown copyright only lasts 50 years from date of creation. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:56, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Creating a english wikipedia page

Can we create an English Wikipedia page, if the original wiki-page is in some foreign language by using references from that foreign language? Also can I directly translate the page using google translate if I don't know the other language and use the references from the original wikipage? Eevee01 (talk) 03:47, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Eevee01: Welcome to the Teahouse. Although English sources are preferred, you may use sources that are not in English so long as they're considered reliable. Note that policies and guidelines differ across Wikipedia projects, so what may be considered reliable in the other language may not be so on here, and not all content can be copied over. Wikipedia also strongly discourages the use of machine translations, so it's best to rely on someone who is a native speaker.

Also, who's we? Just a reminder that a Wikipedia account should only be operated by one person. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:25, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thank You! for your quick reply. I am working on a project along with some other Wikipedia editor that is why I used "we".

Can someone take a look at this, full of red links with no RS

List of Brahmin dynasties and states I'd like to report this article for having no WP:RS but the page as been protected. I think someone is acting not in good faith as the into reads like a total shill. I'm new to wiki and I'm learning how to do things slowly.22:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC) Rammuni BadaUdasin (talk) 22:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rammuni BadaUdasin: Another editor has started some cleanup on the article. You can continue the conversation on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Does it hurt to get more eyes on a subject? Rammuni BadaUdasin (talk) 04:59, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Drafts for Article Rewrites

Hi, I've been working on a major rewrite of Étienne de Perier in the wake of an edit war that left the page locked for a few days. (I was not involved in the edit war, but have been trying to shape and moderate the discussion since it was reopened.) In general, the participants have been willing to work on the talk page to determine consensus, working section by section. We're getting to the section where the controversy began and even the simple conversations have been hard to manage with spelling out suggested edits and changes on the talk page. So, is it acceptable to create a subpage of the talk page that would be for draft text? I'm thinking "Talk:Étienne de Perier/Rewrite-Draft" or something and text can be worked on that page with the discussion on the talk page. I'm not sure if that will be more efficient or not, but I thought it might help. What do others think? Are there some guidelines or best practices for managing this sort of group rewrite? Carter (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

And ... I just found WP:SUB, so it seems like a Talk subpage is an allowed place for content under construction as part of a rewrite. So I think I can do it; anyone have advice as to whether or not that's a good approach in this situation? —Carter (talk) 23:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Tcr25, I had not read that page before you linked, but yeah, like you said, it looks like it's allowed, as long as you don't do the things it says not to do. So, my advice is, just do it. If it doesn't work out, you can get it deleted easily, and move on to exploring other options. If it does work out, and someone says it's not allowed, you can move it to one of your userspaces and continue working there. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:55, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Question about declined draft

hello, i was writing a wikipedia page for a person i really admire and my draft got declined because of "The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes." i did not understand what this is exactly so can somebody please help me 106.51.243.116 (talk) 11:04, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP 106.51.243.116. It would be easier to answer your question if you could provide the name of the draft you're referring to above. I am unable to find any record of a draft being created in the contributions history of this IP address; so, perhaps you used another account to create the draft. Without know more about the draft, the only thing I can suggest is that you take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything for some general information about the reason why the draft might have been declined. Based upon what you've posted above, the information given in Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Citing sources might also clarify things for you a bit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:58, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I want to create a Wikipedia page for our Library Organisation, What i have to do?

We want to create a wikipedia article related to our organisation " KELPRO: Kerala Library Professionals Organisation". Arunkumarlib (talk) 10:04, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Arunkumarlib! First, please familiarize yourself with conflict of interest (COI) and especially how to declare it. Then, you should look for reliable sources about your organization to ensure it meets Wikipedia notability guidelines for organization. After that, you can follow this guide and create a draft and ask for a review. Please note that normal draft reviews can take multiple months. Also, COI editiong is generally best avoided and very few editors are comfortable with reviewing COI drafts, so COI drafts can be stuck in review even longer. Anton.bersh (talk) 10:21, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Arunkumarlib, I looked at your talk page and your contributions to date and I noticed that:

1. You have never contributed to any content which was not related to KELPRO.
2. You have created a page about KELPRO which was deleted for copyright infringement (copy of content from KELPRO site). This content would not be appropriate for Wikipedia, even if it is properly licensed, because it is written by the members of the organization.
3. I could not find any reliable sources on this subject and I do not believe KELPRO meets Wikipedia notability requirements.

Given these circumstances, I recommend reading Wikipedia:Copyrights. Also, keep in mind that pages which are repeatedly created against Wikipedia rules, deleted, and then recreated again can be salted preventing article creation by regular users.

Anton.bersh (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

(ec) Hello and welcome Arunkumarlib, I'm going to throw some links at you, you have some reading to do. Start with WP:NORG. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and WP:COI. Still want to spend time on this? Then WP:YFA and WP:TUTORIAL. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:28, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Leemour Pelli article

 Courtesy link: Draft:Leemour Pelli

Hi, I'd love to get some feedback on this article. It was declined but I've edited on the Work section and I'd like to know if this meets the conditions for approval. Thank you!

[Leemour Pelli] Woodholder (talk) 13:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Woodholder, the "work" section reads more like an advertisement of the subject even now. Please see WP:NPOV and WP:WBA. Basically, the tone of the article needs to be neutral and dispassionate, not promotional. JavaHurricane 05:50, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Woodholder: I also took a quick look. I'd remove Artspace as a ref, as that appears to be user generated content. I also think it is a little too promotional, with quotes from art publication reviews. It needs to be more encyclopedic in style and tone. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@JavaHurriance: @Timtempleton: Thanks for taking a look and your suggestions! Will work on this further.

Woodholder (talk) 12:49, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Table below references

The Awards & Nomination table keeps appearing below the references, despite the heading being in the correct position on the page. Can you advise on how to resolve this, please? URL is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Candice_Onyeama cheers  AFRICAN001 (talk) 10:51, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done. AFRICAN001, the table needed to be closed, which I have done so here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Categories

Hi, I've just asked a cross-referred question about searching categories. How to do this? Ema--or (talk) 18:07, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ema--or and welcome to the Teahouse. To search categories, type in Category: Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ema--or: Welcome to Wikipedia. This was also answered at the Help Desk. Please only ask your question on one place. RudolfRed (talk) 19:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

And yes, first time here, indeed. Ema--or (talk) 22:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC) PS after all this time.

Another thing; the launch of fast & Furious 9 has got me thinking about Paul Walker. Specifically whether or not there were (or are) categories like actors who died during their careers, or who starred in posthumous films or who died while filming. Indeed any kind of unfinished career or project - athletes who died during their careers, musicians, novelists or creatives who died during their careers or who left work unfinished, or died while performing. Possibly unencyclopaedic ... I have another part of this question coming up, but I thought I'd defer to others here first. Ema--or (talk) 22:34, 26 June 2021 (UTC) Ps Certainly want avoid steamrollering in this (these) first post(s).

@Ema--or: There's Category:Works published posthumously, but that doesn't cover actors or films. I can't find a related list article either. If you don't get an answer here, you might want to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film. GoingBatty (talk) 03:21, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ema--or: There is Category:Deaths onstage, but that's not limited to film actors. GoingBatty (talk) 03:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ema--or: There's also List of film and television accidents. GoingBatty (talk) 03:25, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Fan-bloody-tastic, thanks for all the informay-may. Well here's the second part of the question. There're a few death-list articles, such as for athletes who died during their careers. There's a trend to delete these, so I was wondering if it was possible to interrogate/ask categories using the local search, when the articles might not exist anymore thanks , even for categories that may not exist now eg dead foot/basketballers. So one can check when they died, were born, if they retired etc using category info. I'm looking at something like sudden cardiac death, which seems to be a problem/risk (as we've seen during the Euros), but many will be lost as these are deleted, as well as other health issues. Or use external search engines? Other solutions? Ema--or (talk) 14:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

How to address "Undisclosed Payments" tag?

A page I made has an "undisclosed payments" tag. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DataGraph

What to do if I am not receiving payments? I added this to the talk page of the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:DataGraph

"I wrote this page after I noticed a reference to DataGraph on another page (CricketGraph) but that link did not go anywhere, as no one had made a DataGraph page yet. I have little experience in wikipedia editing and welcome comments to make this page better. Meam70 (talk) 19:07, 25 March 2021 (UTC)"

I am an ethustiast of this software, and rather than having a dead link, this page seemed like a reasonable addition to Wikipedia.

Can someone else evaluate this page?

It is a little anoying having this tag on something I spent time creating, but also I want to update aspescts of the page and I am afraid to do so. Any advice is appreciated. Meam70 (talk) 13:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Mean70 The reason the tag was added was because your account appeared to have been created solely to compose this article. On your Talk page and on the article Talk page, clearly state that you have not been paid nor received any other form or compensation for the article. After doing this, you can leave a note on the talk page of the editor who added the UPE tag (User talk:MrOllie) so that editor can remove the tag. David notMD (talk) 14:46, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I am not able to use

Hey, I am not able to use this link ~ ***https://www.boat - lifestyle.com/ on wikipedia***. But why? Its the official site of BoAt (company) and i am not able to add it on the article? Can some one add for me that link on that article? The company is the fifth largest wearable brand in the world. It's showing blacklisted , so what should i do? Can someone remove it Badassboy 63637 (talk) 13:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Asked and answered here. --bonadea contributions talk 14:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

About the “associated acts” field

What are the guidelines for adding individuals or groups to the “associated acts” infobox field? Mostly in the context of YouTubers. I notice a lot of missing associated acts, but I don’t know what it would take for someone to count as an associated act. For example, if someone is featured in the YouTuber’s content once, is that counted? How about if it’s multiple times? Does the person need to have their own Wikipedia page to be added? I also notice that the field seems to have no sources required. M2r1k5 (talk) 14:45, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 Jace338 (talk) 15:02, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Jace338 and welcome to the Teahouse. The general guidelines for this are located here: Template:Infobox_musical_artist#associated_acts. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 15:26, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Why my content is deleted

I tried to make a page on Wikipedia , which is true , author of books is mentioned , and shows at hindi film industry , what was the problem , why you have deleted the page ,

That page was not meant for promotions , the page contains the work of the person , which is only 20 percent mentioned there

I mean why the person have done so much work in industry , don’t have right to have a page in Wikipedia ,

Please explain me why ? 113.19.14.95 (talk) 05:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

It would be easier to figure it out if you actually provided the title of the former page. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:36, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, nobody has a "right" to be the topic of a Wikipedia page. DS (talk) 16:39, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

please recheck my page

FYI

 – Merging with above as I believe this is the same asker. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

page created of the person are all true and not for promotion work the content added of the person is only 20 percent of the work in hindi film industry

the person is also author of books , and has worked in hindi film industry since long, do that person dnt deserve a wikipedia page Millidol (talk) 05:25, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Millidol, perhaps you mean User_talk:Millidol/sandbox. This cites only two sources: IMDb and Amazon. IMDb should not be cited. Amazon should not be cited. So your draft has not even one reliable source. -- Hoary (talk) 05:34, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Not to mention the actual biographical claims in the article are entirely unsourced. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I think he means Draft:Pravat Rout, which was deleted under G11 yesterday, or Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:09, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox has same content. In addition to lack of references, another problem is that the four books authored by Pravat Rout were self-published, thus not contributing to notability. David notMD (talk) 10:02, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Notability based on School sources

Is there a policy against using sources from university or college newspapers as an example of WP:N? I'm pretty sure I've seen someone cite a guideline that says it's not allowed, but I couldn't remember what the wikilink is. TipsyElephant (talk) 17:01, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

TipsyElephant, WP:RSSM? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:49, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Bad editor

I have come across a user that for the last two months seems to have created many articles that have been deleted either by AfD, PROD, or CSD. I put up one of their recent articles up for CSD which is how I found out (noticed when I looked at their talk page). I get the sense that they are not a native english speaker and are out of their depth, but it seems like they aren't learning / are unlikely to learn.

Are there any places to report individuals who seem to have a bad track record of creating poor articles? Either for them to have restrictions placed on article creation (if it were to count as a form of spamming) or direct people to them so they can be taught how to improve? Thanks! --Tautomers_{(T C)} 08:07, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: District Jail, Jhajjar: In general, you can take this sort of editors to the drama board. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:29, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Since 2017, HariSinghw has been extremely prolific in creating drafts (in some instances skipping AfC process to create articles in mainspace), with a high failure rate: abandoned drafts, speedy deletions, copyright infringement, draftification of articles and AfDs. Some article efforts succeeded (many as minimally referenced stubs), or were "no consensus" at AfD, and hence remain. More guidance on HariSinghw's Talk page may help. David notMD (talk) 10:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! I am of the opinion that guidance will have no effect whatsoever. --Tautomers_{(T C)} 20:05, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Articles for referencing sources

Are these articles are referencing sources with reliable? Think these ones:

1. Articles have been created by editors
2. Articles need citing sources are suitable to Wikipedia
3. Articles are above reliable sources

If there are things exist on referencing sources, see here at WP:V. --Diegopeter2013 (talk) 14:21, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Diegopeter2013 and welcome to the Teahouse. I am very sorry, but I am unable to answer your question because I do not understand what it is that you are asking here. Please try again, and give a link to any article(s) that you want to ask about. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:14, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Please indicate the specific problem requiring revision on the page Bill Zimmerman (activist)? Thank you.

 Cozumel1973 (talk) 20:46, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Since you have a conflict of interest, I suggest you read the message that S0091 left on your talk page. M.Bitton (talk) 21:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Cozumel1973:, I will post some additional advice on your talk page. S0091 (talk) 21:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

question about speedy deletion

Recently I have been warned on my talk page by a prolific editor/admin that "There are many tasks at Wikipedia for which experience is required, and speedy tagging is one of them. Again, stop doing it. For the moment, consider this friendly advice, but if you ignore it, you risk being blocked for abuse of process" I wont say who, you can check for yourself. I have searched the whole WP:FIELD for some mention of this being restricted to experienced editors, and found none. I have only requested 3 things to be speedily deleted, and of them 2 were denied and 1 was processed. I believed all 3 had merit however I admit 1 was mislabeled, but not the one reviewed by the admin who warned me. He did not direct me to any relevant page regarding his assertion that my actions constituted abuse of the speedy deletion process, and no WP:ADMINSHOP had occurred. If anyone here could point me in the direction of some essay, policy, or an archived ANI where some consensus was reached that establishes his claim.Rammuni BadaUdasin (talk) 21:50, 27 June 2021 (UTC) Rammuni BadaUdasin (talk) 21:50, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rammuni BadaUdasin, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, whilst I haven’t looked into anything, based on what you have just stated above, you can put yourself at the risk of getting blocked if you are not CSD-tagging properly, if continued it constitutes WP:DISRUPT editing which could indeed get you blocked. Celestina007 (talk) 22:06, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I see now you are referring to Bbb23, please just take it slow with the tagging until you understand how they work. We are admonished when CSD tagging to take care, if you are reckless with its optimization, you can indeed get blocked. Have you read WP:CSD? I presume not and even if so please I beg, re-read it. Celestina007 (talk) 22:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rammuni BadaUdasin: Work on something else for awhile until you have more experience. If an admin tells you that you are not doing something right, why would you not take that advice? RudolfRed (talk) 22:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Well when advise comes in the form of unsubstantiated claims and when asked for clarification/ guidance to the policies mentioned they instead imply administrative action could be required if said advice is not followed, it begs the question. That is why I requested here for more clarity. Thanks @Celestina007: for your advice to reread, I will do, to insure that no mislabeling occurs in any future proposal. I have went ahead and did a normal WP:PROD as I believe my original request has merit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rammuni BadaUdasin (talk • contribs)

Notability with independent sources

Am I correct in assuming that an independent source mentioning a subject the sole grounds or the main grounds for notability? -56independent 21:06, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Added header. S0091 (talk) 21:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Notacoworcat: It needs to be significant coverage, not just a mention. See WP:N for much more detail RudolfRed (talk) 21:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Notacoworcat, whilst your question has been answered to, i feel a need to expatiate, So sourcing is generally a tricky one, (it took me several months to understand it thoroughly) but please don’t be deterred, nonetheless, it is covered extensively under WP:RS, your question was a tad bit confusing and nebulous so I give props to RudolfRed, for attempting to assist you. I’m going to give you a super simple explanation on how reliable sources work, for starters for you to be able to consider a source “worthy” it must be independent of the subject, it should discuss the subject with significant coverage and it must be reliable, that is the source should possess both a reputation for fact checking and most possess editorial oversight. Celestina007 (talk) 22:31, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Need help on spammers

Hello,

I am having a problem with spammers who are attempting to cancel any information that they do not agree with, based on the lie that a duly published (and well regarded in the academic community) scholarly work is "not reliable"——without making a single effort to present a fact that shows that any contribution is inaccurate. Any attempt to have them act in a scholarly fashion has been ignored. I would be happy to have a third party arbitrate this. How would that be started?

Thanks,

Metaphysical Historian

This is a sample page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_Baker_Eddy&action=history Metaphysical historian (talk) 23:03, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Metaphysical historian: The note on your talk page says the book you are citing is self-published, which is not usable as a reliable source in Wikipedia articles. Please find a different source to support anything you want to add to the article. RudolfRed (talk) 23:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

If you disagree with that assessment, you can try asking about your source at WP:RSN to get other opinions on it. RudolfRed (talk) 23:26, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Article on a Crypto Currency

Hey there! I want to create an article for a well known crypto currency called the Bitspawn. Any tips or suggestions to avoid any mistakes? Also, is there any specific notability criteria for crypto? Thanks Inzy321 (talk) 22:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC) 

@Inzy321, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, a couple of things, if you are somehow connected to this digital currency, you subconsciously possess what is referred to as a WP:COI and we don’t advise editors to create articles they are closely connected with, but if this isn’t the case please see WP:YFA. On this collaborative project we have a notability threshold, that is if the subject of an article possess in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them, they are considered notable enough to be retained on mainspace. Celestina007 (talk) 22:38, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Inzy321. Please read Wikipedia:WikiProject Cryptocurrency and Wikipedia:General sanctions/Blockchain and cryptocurrencies. There has been disruptive editing in the cryptocurrency topic area, so I advise caution. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:48, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Regarding page creation

How to create a page Kurizaw10 (talk) 00:42, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

 Note: added header   melecie   t 01:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kurizaw10: Welcome to the Teahouse! See Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

New Page for Civil Rights Leader Dr. Robert J. Brown

Hello Wikipedians,

My team hopes to engage your assistance and expertise in creating a page for Dr. Robert J. Brown. Due to conflicts, we cannot make the page, but can help provide credible sources.

https://www.bobbrownspeaks.com/

Please advise.

Yours in service,

Tara Sue Gamingbenefits (talk) 03:07, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I would suggest you go to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Civil_Rights_Movement, click on the Talk page, and request someone participating in that project to help you create an article. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:59, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Gamingbenefits and welcome to the Teahouse! This may or may not be possible, thanks for asking first. Your first hurdle is WP:BASIC. What are the 3-5 best sources you know about Brown that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of him (and his companies, family, etc etc) and about him in some detail? Chapters/paragraphs in books about the Civil Rights Movement, articles about him in Washington Post, NYT, CNN, BBC etc would be excellent. A WP-article could then be written based on what's in those sources.

Another thing. You may have noticed that WP is full of all kinds of rules. Per WP:ORGNAME you need to change your username. If you want your org in there it can be "Tara Sue at Gamingbenefits", alt "President Tara Sue" or whatever. The easy way to do this is to just abandon your current account and make a new one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:17, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

From a Draft to the Real Thing

How do I change a page from a draft to an actually findable page? Best cartoonist ever (talk) 18:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Best cartoonist ever. You cannot do so, your WP-account is not old enough. You can use this link WP:SUBMIT to ask for a draft to be accepted. However, Draft:The Magic Portal (short film) will not be accepted in it's current form, see WP:GNG, your draft has no references at all, existing is not enough. If WP:Conflict of interest applies to you, please follow the guidance there. Help:Your first article can be useful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:03, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

This source [9] is usable (see after 5:00), but it's not enough, you need more. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

More usable sources here: [10]. This may well be a doable article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:33, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

One more: [11]. See WP:TUTORIAL and start working. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:51, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Best cartoonist ever. This is a quite interesting article and film. I concur with Gråbergs Gråa Sång that this is a notable subject. I added several sources to the article. The film has been discussed in many different contexts over the past 30 years. I have submitted it to WP:Articles for Creation, so that someone with experience in film articles can have a look at it and give feedback. Also, if you are connected to the filmmaker, let us know. Thanks. --- Possibly ☎ 06:36, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Review For Article : Haniya Nafisa

Hi there! I know that asking in the Teahouse does not fasten the review process of my article, but this is a kind remainder that my article has not been reviewed since I submitted two weeks ago. My second question is that How to get a custom design for. our user name Like the above one. Thanks in Advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 04:48, 28 June 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 04:48, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: There is a large number of reviews waiting and few reviewers. Sometimes reviews happen quickly, other times it can take months. You just need to be patient. You can continue to work on the draft to improve it while you wait for the review. RudolfRed (talk) 04:52, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. For a custom signature, see here. Enjoy you stay here at Wikipedia! Heart ^(talk) 04:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

You have presumably not read what it says in the box on your draft: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 5 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,200 pending submissions waiting for review.--David Biddulph (talk) 06:59, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Mason Smith article

Im not sure why my article has been declined. My subject is notable with multiple citations and his been on T.V multiple times, can someone help? Bruinsfan65 (talk) 07:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

If the subject satisfies the requirements of WP:NHOCKEY, please provide evidence. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:08, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

The section on his cutlery business, with no independent sources, should be dropped. Maproom (talk) 09:43, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Because he has not yet made it to major league hockey. Basically, WP:TOOSOON. And yeah, drop the knives. David notMD (talk) 11:07, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

What was the motive behind the teahouse?

Sit down, have a cup of tea, and enjoy the experience of editing Wikipedia.

 G lordess (talk) 16:12, 27 June 2021 (UTC) A few moments ago I was invited to join the teahouse ,and since I'm so excited to finally be noticed ,joining was not hesitant for me ,but now I really wanna know more and I also wanna know what questions are appropriate for the teahouse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by G lordess (talk • contribs) 16:16, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello G lordess! The Teahouse is a page for "newbies" to ask questions they have about editing Wikipedia. WP has several such pages with different focus, but this is a good place to start. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@G lordess: Just to follow on from the above answer, here at the Teahouse we take a generally more informal and friendly approach to guiding newcomers through the intricacies of editing Wikipedia than you might encounter elsewhere on this platform. So, as Teahouse hosts we offer tea, guidance and answers! Please do take note of the advice left on your talk page. I'd really recommend that you remove those posts about yourself and all your self-promotional sandbox content before someone else does. You've probably now gathered that we're all here to build an encyclopaedia of Notable things, and I'm afraid we're not tolerant of letting people use us as a free webhosting platform or a place to promote ourselves or our views, unless they relate directly to improving Wikipedia content. All the best, and enjoy your editing experience. Why not try out The Wikipedia Adventure to learn a bit more about what we do here and how we do it? Nick Moyes (talk) 18:13, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

• @G lordess: The Teahouse was started as a Wikimedia Foundation initiative to increase editor retention from 2012, see SignPost issue at the time. Looking at the Teahouse page one month after launch, it seems to me that it almost instantly turned into a clone of the help desk, albeit one where we expect more basic questions and a more newbie-friendly atmosphere. I do not know if that was the WMF's expectation. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:11, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

  Actually, the help desk itself used to have a banner that said Welcome to the Newcomers' village pump! This is a version of the Wikipedia:Village pump for newcomers and users who don't yet have an account.. So the HD was created as a split of the village pump ("general chat" forum, let's say), which I guess handled the Q&A part at the time. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:16, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

tansanische Staatsbürgerschaft. Jeder der die Staatsbürgerschaft der USA besitzt, ist Tansanischer Staatsbürger steht in Wikipedia. ### Das ist falsch. gemeint ist: jeder, der die Staatsbürgerschaft der Vereinigten Republik Tansania hat, ist tansanischer Staatsbürger.

Streicht das USA. Es ist eine Fehlübersetzung. Leider habe ich keine Zeit, mich damit zu beschäftigen, aber möchte es doch - ohne Vorwurf - melden. Wahrscheinlich handelt es sich um einen Fehler beim Übersetzen aus dem Englischen. Martina Emmerich, (redacted) 25 Lederhose21 (talk) 11:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia. Messages need to be in English. Perhaps you are looking for the German Wikipedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 11:44, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Lederhose21, if you find a problem in an article in the German Wikipedia, you need to raise it in the German Wikipedia, not here, as they are entirely separate projects. My guess is that it was simple vandalism, but I may be wrong. I suggest you raise it at de:Wikipedia:Fragen von Neulingen. (I have redacted your address, as this is a very visible place to post it, and nobody from Wikipedia will contact you at it). --ColinFine (talk) 11:46, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Help review and guide my article about one of travel agent company

I have read a lot of Wikipedia guide for beginner and tried to fix it now. However, I cannot find additional articles or news on the website which meet Wiki's policy that can be used for my references. What should I do? Please help me to make my article can be accepted. Kanzakisviel (talk) 06:37, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

References do not need to be on websites; books or newspapers are among the acceptable reliable sources. If suitable published sources can't be found, this would mean that the subject does not (yet) meet Wikipedia's definition of notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Airpaz, declined once, and creating editor has not yet replied to a query about this possibly being paid editing. David notMD (talk) 12:22, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

locking a page

how can i lock a disputed wiki page?  Aryankhan777 (User talk:Aryankhan777) 15:07, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Aryankhan777 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may request page protection("lock") at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Aryankhan77, although you can request page protection it's better to attempt to find reliable sources for the information you add first: see Wikipedia:Reliable sources for what sources are okay to include, and Help:Referencing for beginners on how to add them. Cheers, Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 15:31, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

The article Usman Kakar is semi-protected for a month because of conflicting information about his death on 21 June 2021 (murder or natural causes). Some of the conflicting content had references, but those are not present in the current (27 June) version, which does not mention his death at all. The Talk page of the article is recommended as a place to have a discussion - and an attempt at consensus - about details of his death. David notMD (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

28 June and the death-by-violence content is back in, with references. No discussion at Talk. David notMD (talk) 12:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Question about Artist Nobility

Hello, Previously I've been working on a draft for a painter/artist and was wondering what it took to be notable. That being said, wouldn't an artist who has had their piece sold or displayed at the Metropolitan_Museum_of_Art or MoMa be considered notable? If so, I could try to dig in more and resubmit the draft after some edits. OneEyedWolf (talk) 21:46, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@OneEyedWolf, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, notability for painters are covered under WP:CREATIVE, hey I’m sorry, is there a particular draft article being made reference to here? I’m only assuming right now, if you have tried submitting the article via AFC and it gets declined, I suggest a dialogue with the declining editor is a good idea. Celestina007 (talk) 22:17, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I am assuming this is about Draft:Jean-Marie Haessle. The great majority of the content is not referenced. Look for published content that is about him at length - not just mentions of him or his artwork. David notMD (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@OneEyedWolf, hello. You would have to find sources (reviews, newspaper articles, books etc) that talk about Haessle's work. I checked MoMA, which has a record of every artist who has shown there, and he was not listed. MoMA and the Whitney, which you said he showed at, are not listed on his CV, which is one document I did manage to find (here). In a search I saw no reviews, museum collections or mentions longer than a sentence or two. My hunch is that he is not notable enough for an article, but if you can find three or four substantial reviews, that would be a start to proving he is. --- Possibly ☎ 05:11, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I just want to add that I find it highly unlikely that the artist in question is of nobility. He seems to be just another commoner like most of us, alas. --LordPeterII (talk) 13:18, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Duchess potatoes

Could we remove the ‘notability’ tag from this article? It appears to be reliably sourced and it has significant coverage (I got over 1.8 million hits when I did a Google search). It compares favourably with most items in List of potato dishes, most of which aren’t tagged as possibly not notable. Overlordnat1 (talk) 09:37, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Overlordnat1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure the notability is demonstrated by the given sources an article content(one short paragraph). It's not enough for something to have lots of google hits, there must be significant coverage in independent reliable sources that needs to be in the article itself. However, if you feel that the notability criteria has been met, you may remove the tag yourself. I might suggest that you attempt to discuss it on the article talk page first, perhaps other editors who follow that article might know more. 331dot (talk) 09:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

The first two references might be more convincing if they supplied page numbers. Maproom (talk) 17:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Overlordnat1, I have expanded the article and removed the notability tag. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:56, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Great job, thanks! Perhaps I should delete my comments from the article’s talk page as they’re no longer relevant or applicable? Overlordnat1 (talk) 08:56, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

You may delete your post on the talk page, provided nobody responded to it there.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:41, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Done Overlordnat1 (talk) 15:07, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Need Clarifications in my article for moving to live space

I have created my first article and it is in my draft. Draft:Gopinath Ravi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gopinath_Ravi

One author made some corrections in my article but didn't approved it. What does it mean? Do I have to wait yet? Or is that my article is in stage where one can verify and approve it?

Please anyone help me in this. Thanks in advance. Kamesh Aravind P (talk) 04:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

hi @Kamesh Aravind P and welcome to the teahouse! I've went and fixed the failed substing in the template. it's currently in the stage where someone may verify the article, however you may still improve the article while waiting to make it more likely that you'll pass AfC. happy editing!   melecie   t 05:30, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kamesh Aravind P: I looked over Draft:Gopinath Ravi and I do not think it qualifies for main ("live") space yet. I have the following concerns (which will most likely be raised during review):

1. It might be too early for a dedicated article about Gopinath Ravi. There might not be enough written about this person in reliable sources to support an article.
2. Does the subject of the article (Gopinath Ravi) meet Wikipedia notability guidelines for actors? Article references only one film which does not have any indication of notability yet. Since this film was not released yet, evidence of notability might appear soon when movie critics and media publish their reviews of the films and this actor's performance in it. Article also references four awards, which do not have any indication of notability.
3. Most sources are not in English. This person might become notable in Hindi Wikipedia prior to becoming notable in English Wikipedia. May be, consider creating a draft in Hindi Wikipedia first, getting it published, and only then translating it?
4. Article is full of red links. Please take a look at Write the article first.
5. Article text is hard to read, has grammaticlal errors, run-on sentences, punctuation errors. The flow is messed up overall. The bit about helping "the needy peoples" sounds outright derogatory.
6. External links section contains links to this person's YouTube, Instagram, and Twitter accounts. These are best avoided as per Wikipedia:External links.
7. Since, this article is based primarily on sources rovided by the subject, it might get declined as promotion of the subject.

Anton.bersh (talk) 07:43, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Melecie for your help. It got reviewed now and declined. Thanks @Anton.bersh for your advice. I'll make note of it and come back with better article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamesh Aravind P (talk • contribs) 10:20, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry Anton.bersh, but your third point above is completely wrong. The language of sources is not at all a factor in determining the notability of a subject. There are numerous articles here on the English Wikipedia that have no English sources at all. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:28, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Reversion to earlier page - can most recent version be restored?

This page has reverted to an earlier state, and the recent links and text have been lost. Can it be reclaimed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Larson Kent Larson (talk) 15:33, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kent Larson: The edits are still visible the page history, however, you should probbably review Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and discuss this with Firestar464 (talk page) before even thinking on wether to restore them. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:52, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

(ec) @Kent Larson: You should discuss it on the article's talk page at Talk:Kent_Larson to get consensus on that. It is part of the WP:BRD cycle. You were bold. Edits were reverted. Next step is to discuss it. It is usually not a good idea to edit articles about yourself. See WP:AUTO and WP:COI for guidance. RudolfRed (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

General Question

what’s teahouse? Sunumthomas053176 (talk) 16:14, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, Sunumthomas053176. The Teahouse is just a nice friendly name we give to this 'help forum' where experienced editors can assist others who might be encountering problems in using and editing Wikipedia. It's aimed especially (but not exclusively) at new editors. If you have a question about how to edit- just pop back anytime and ask. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:28, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Article submission was declined

Hello,

I would like to make a more specific and separate article about the Baltic Forest Hiking (which is part of a long-distance path in Europe) but my article submission was declined. How can I solve this problem? Anna-Sara Reinisch (talk) 18:04, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Anna-Sara Reinisch Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As suggested by commenters on the draft, if you feel that the topic should be a standalone article, you should propose that on the article talk page of the article the subject is currently discussed in. 331dot (talk) 18:16, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Article submission declined

Hey, I create an article Draft: Yalgaar (song) and the reviewer declined the article reason he gave the topic is not notable but it has more than ten reliable sources talking about the topic can u tell me what's the problem. Menu maharaj (talk) 18:21, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Menu mahara Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The reviewer left a comment on the draft that answers your question. In short, it is preferable to have fewer high quality sources than many low quality ones. 331dot (talk) 18:38, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Am I Missing Anything?

My previous submission was declined for improperly citing sources. I was wondering if I am missing anything to get the page created?

Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CUBANARAMA Cubanarama (talk) 02:44, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cubanarama, it's difficult to tell whether the three sources you provided are sufficient to establish notability. Our rules say that offline sources like books are allowed, but in practice, editors are typically hesitant to accept them at articles for creation until they've seen what they say. Do the passages provide detailed discussion of Cubanarama beyond just a trivial mention? The third reference, an embedded link to someone's appearance on the show, definitely doesn't count, as we can't use a source itself to establish its own notability; it has to come from coverage in secondary sources.

I would also suggest removing the external links from the article body per Wikipedia:ELNO. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:27, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

It's unclear to me what the draft is meant to be about — a talk show, or Marta Sosa. Maproom (talk) 08:23, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

The internet talk show/ and personality is Cubanarama; the host is Marta Sosa. Most media is under the persona Cubanarama. The 1st book is a biography book, and in the 2nd there was over 15 mentions of the show and it's host. Is there a way to submit the pages with mentions?

The link to someone's appearance is to link guests of the show to their wiki pages.Cubanarama (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

why did my darft page for jawaun curtis get denied

hi i created a page for Jawaun curtis a formal Artist/musican and my draft got dennied and i just wanted to figure out why....the name of the page is "Jawaun Curtis and THe URL is

[[12]] Anonymos1996 (talk) 18:40, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Anonymos1996 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft did not show with significant coverage in independent reliable sources that this musician meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable musician. Anyone can post music online, so that is not part of the notability criteria. 331dot (talk) 18:45, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Jawaun curtis. Twitter, Instagram and Spotify are not valid refs. See WP:TOOSOON. If his career progresses, maybe revisit in a few years. David notMD (talk) 21:25, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I am a Television Personality and Celebrity Event Planner from various reality shows...Need to form a page!!

I am a T.V. Personality, Lifestyle Expert and Reality Television Star. I am listed under one of my shows "Whose Wedding Is It Anyway? But not anywhere else. How would I be able to get my own page much like IMDB to share my experiences and what's been published? Thank You! My wiki name SassiSammi1968 SassiSammi1968 (talk) 22:09, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

SassiSammi1968 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have some common misconceptions about what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a place for people to tell the world about themselves and what they do. Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages", and they are typically written by independent editors who take note of a subject receiving significant coverage in independent reliable sources and choose on their own to write about it. If you meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person or a notable actor, someone will eventually write about you. Trying to force the issue by doing it yourself, while not forbidden, is strongly discouraged, as people naturally write favorably about themselves and have difficulty setting what they know about themselves aside and only writing based on the content of independent sources. Please see the autobiography policy. No one "needs" a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not concerned with your internet presence, enhancing search results for you, or in helping your fans. Those are side benefits only.

Please keep in mind that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. Any article that would exist about you would not be yours to exclusively control. You could not lock it to the text that you might prefer, or prevent others from editing it. Any information about you that appears in independent reliable sources is fair game for content in an article, whether it is good or bad. 331dot (talk) 22:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@SassiSammi1968: If you want a page to promote yourself here "much like IMDB" you'll stand absolutely no chance, I'm afraid. You wrote that IMDB page yourself, and, to be frank, it's pretty OTT even for IMDB, let alone a serious encyclopaedia of Notable Things. If there are two or three in-depth, detailed and totally independent articles that the main stream media have written about you, then someone will probably want to make a page that uses those publications as sources, and you might wake up one morning pleasantly surprised. But we don't use IMDB as it's user-generated, nor do we accept promotional material written by the subject or their PR companies. I'm afraid I could find very little else to show that you meet our Notability criteria for living people, but if you'd care to provide two or three such detailed links we could take a quick look and offer an opinion as to their merit as Reliable Sources. Failing that, we might politely suggest it's simply TOOSOON. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:33, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Reviewed Pages - What?

FYI

 – added header --Maresa63 ^Talk 19:01, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I have recived a mystery email from wikipedia stating that "The page ‪User:Notacoworcat/WikiToken‬ has been reviewed.". I have no idea what this means, and what will happen next. Please tell me more. _{From the UK by}56independent ^Talk 18:57, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Notacoworcat It simply means that someone took a look at the page you created (User:Notacoworcat/WikiToken) and marked it as legitimate (reviewed it), that's all. Nothing more will happen next because of it. Had it contained inappropriate content it might have been marked for deletion - but it doesn't, so you're OK. PS: If you don't like your original username, why not follow guidance at Wikipedia:Changing username, as I find your displayed name quite confusing when it compltely mismatches your username. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:06, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah yes, i have requested a rename and am currently waiting for a response. Having had it reviewed, can i just move it into the mainstream once im finished?

Cheers, _{56independent/notacoworcat}^Talk 20:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Notacoworcat: Does anyone actually use this term, or did you make it up yourself? I don't see it used anywhere doing a simple search. There's another editor named WikiToken, but the account has been inactive for over 13 years. Otherwise, I wonder if this is a way one might refer to the session variable that keeps you logged into your account, allowing you to visit different Wikipedia namespaces. Otherwise, you can edit the Wikipedia:WikiToken article you just started, but will lose the short edit history. Otherwise you'd have to ask an administrator to move the article for you. See Wikipedia:Requested moves. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:09, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I made the term up from a combiniation of Wikipedia editor, and Token effort. I was asking whether it was appropiate for me, upon finished writing, to move the page myself without seeking approval. _{56independent/notacoworcat}^Talk 21:14, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Notacoworcat: I don't think you can move it yourself, now that there's already an article at the destination URL that would have to be overwritten. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:26, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

What if i "sloppily" move the article, using copy and paste? I do not care about the mechanism of action, but more rather, the policy concerning undrafting your own article. _{56independent/notacoworcat}^Talk

@Notacoworcat: I don't mean to be rude, but I honestly don't think there's enough meat in User:Notacoworcat/WikiToken to warrant it being moved into Wikipedia-space as a humourous essay or article. The irony is that you, yourself, have only made 12 edits in total to mainspace articles, and I really don't feel you have enough experience or knowledge to be creating content about editing styles that others will find of interest or genuinely amusing. That also goes, I feel to User:Notacoworcat/Double Negation - simply leave them where they are in your own userspace and develop them if they genuinely have some merit and interest to other editors. Meanwhile, I'd suggest that messing around less in userspace at this stage, and more focussing on article enhancement would be sensible, which is our main rationale for being here of course. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:47, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

How is this called, and how can I add something to it?

Greetings.
I wish to add an authoritative biography's article to the Bruce Lee's... I don't know how it is called, so I can't find how to do it.
Under every article related to him, there is this huge list of related topics, but when going to edit, it only appears as Bruce Lee between double braces, and nothing more. I thought that was called a portal, but it seems it isn't.
I added the category Works about Bruce Lee under Mr. Polly's article, but it seems it isn't enough. So, please, how can I add Matthew Polly's Bruce Lee: A life by the side of Mrs. Lee's memories in that huge list of topics?
Thanks. Maykiwi (talk) 22:56, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Maykiwi: I think you're referring to the Bruce Lee Template Template:Bruce Lee. If you're not comfortable editing the template yourself, you can put an edit request on that template's talk page. See Wikipedia:Edit requests. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:14, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Thank you very much. Exactly what I was looking for.

Please help me

Please someone there help me...I worked for hours and hours on an article, and was meticulous in putting in correct citations, and now the whole thing has reverted to what it was two days ago, because of one unimportant reference. I have no idea how to change this back without putting in days worth of work. Will someone please look into this and get back to me?? Fact Confirm (talk) 22:52, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Anthony DeStefano

@Fact Confirm: Your edits are still accessible in the revision history, but I caution you about adding poor sources and commercial links such as to Amazon sales pages. Also, please read WP:COI and disclose if you have a connection with the subject of the article. As a new editor with limited editing history, you're better off for now just suggesting edits on the article's talk page, rather than doing it yourself and experiencing further frustration. See Wikipedia:Edit requests. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:09, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Tim...I am trying hard to follow the rules and reading as much of the directional material as I can. I did not realize that Amazon was considered a poor source. I will work harder at this.

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Reverting § Manual reverting for info on how to restore the text (but, as Tim Templeton wrote above, think carefully whether it is really needed to restore it all). The reason your edits were reverted is because you added a reference to Newsmax (RSP entry), which has been deprecated on Wikipedia. Kleinpecan (talk) 23:23, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

What's the fastest way to write a featured article? Suggestion

I'm interested in writing an FA quick, so answer this question:

What's the fastest way to write a featured article? «2nd|ias» 03:15, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Do not even think about it. Just do your best to write good articles and maybe at some point one will be featured. Those articles are usually written by long-term editors who have written many articles. Then there is the point that very few articles are written by just one editor. Many join in the game to improve an article. --Bduke (talk) 03:27, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. «2nd|ias» 03:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

2nd Ias, how do you define "fastest"? Here's my answer: #1 - become a productive, well-informed, helpful Wikipedia editor, thoroughly conversant with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. #2 - begin writing your future featured article with complete willingness to accept the contributions of other editors. It's that simple. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:45, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree with your response, it's efficient and feasible. «2nd|ias» 06:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

2nd Ias In looking at your Talk page, you've had successes (and failures) in raising articles to GA. So you likely know that the path to FA is incremental - first get an article to C-class or B-class, then GA, then FA. There is, however, the coveted Wikipedia:Four Award for editors who have gone from Start to DYK to GA to FA. Go for it!!! David notMD (talk) 11:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I think it's possible. «2nd|ias» 00:03, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

How do I cancel an article for creation

Hi, so I created a page when I first made my account (forgetting you need 10 edits to create a page without it being an AfC page) but now that I have reached ten edits I just made the page myself but I had already submitted the AfC request (I did so through the draft page for the article) but I can't find a way to cancel the request. Thanks

 Courtesy link: Draft:Ingliston railway station @BakuFromAus: It's easier for us to help when you tell us the name of the article. Also, (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:28, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Ronnie James Dio Wikipedia Page

Hello, I am brand new to editing on Wikipedia and tried to correct several false facts/statements regarding Ronnie Dio. They regarded his second marriage, where he passed away, and several quotes that have absolutely nothing to do with the information provided. I do not know why, but my edit was immediately taken down by a senior editor called Stroness. I assume my next edit will be immediately taken down again. Please contact me on how to submit the correct information to an editor who can make the adjustment permanently. Thanks! SetTheRecordStraight21 (talk) 23:25, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Your edits were reverted because they left the article in a complete mess. When you make an edit, check that it does what you wanted to do before you save the edit. --Bduke (talk) 23:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

And link the article, e,g, Ronnie James Dio.--Bduke (talk) 23:54, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, SetTheRecordStraight21. Your edit was reverted because it introduced several syntax errors, which made the text render in large bold red letters. I have restored your changes regarding his marriage, but not his death, as the additions seem to go in somewhat more detail than is appropriate for an encyclopedia.

For help on how to "how to submit the correct information to an editor", see Wikipedia:Edit requests. Kleinpecan (talk) 01:03, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Template:Latest stable software release/Clubhouse notworking

Hi, I had created a Template:Latest stable software release/Clubhouse to display version details in the infobox of the article Clubhouse (app). But it's not working. Can you tell me what did i done wrong? Anoop (talk) 01:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Anoopspeaks. The ending of the template's name should match the name of the article where it is intended to be used. In this case, it should be Template:Latest stable software release/Clubhouse (app) and not Template:Latest stable software release/Clubhouse. I have moved the page so that it works now. Kleinpecan (talk) 01:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

It's still not working😭 Anoop (talk) 01:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Well, I don't really know then. It does work for me, though. Kleinpecan (talk) 01:46, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

It's working now. When i first created the template, i used the article name, but it did not worked, so i renamed it because that method worked with another template. And it didn't worked, i become so confused. Anyway thank you so much. One more thing, is it really nessary to put playstore, appstore links as reference? any alternative for it? Anoop (talk) 02:29, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Image

Commonwealth Bank of Australia-One Pound (1952)

I want to use the upper half of this image, but it cannot be cropped. Then how should I use it? Peter Ormond 💬 23:23, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Why can't it be cropped? Leijurv (talk) 00:06, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Leijurv: I don't know. It is showing some error. You can try and see. Peter Ormond 💬 00:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I tried it, and got this error from croptool: Upload failed! [api] Received error: abusefilter-warning : ⧼abusefilter-warning-otrs⧽ Hoping someone more knowledgeable than me can tell you what that means :) Leijurv (talk) 00:20, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I downloaded it and cropped it using GIMP. No issues but see the license conditions on Commons. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 01:00, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ariconte: Could you please upload that? I often have issues with licensing. Peter Ormond 💬 01:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

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CBA One Pound note (1952)

Leijurv, my guess would be that it is currency. Here's the Commons page on currency. When I tried to crop it with the crop tool, I got the same "abuse filter warning". Commons has other exciting details regarding the copyright of images of Australian currency here. I think the simplest answer is that reproducing currency has a lot of rules, to deter counterfeiting. The crop no doubt triggered one of the rules. --- Possibly ☎ 03:06, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

⟵ ⟵ How bout this? Mathglot (talk) 03:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Canada was the first country to feature the Queen on their banknotes

The Queen on an Australian one-pound banknote

@Mathglot: Thank you! Could you fit it in this multiple image? Peter Ormond 💬 03:54, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Canada was the first country to feature the Queen on their banknotes

The Queen on an Australian one-pound banknote

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CBA One Pound note (1952)

@Peter Ormond: The annotated image template is notoriously squirrely, and I gave up after getting it this close with a bit of missing bottom border; feel free to tweak it, but it's crazy-making, I warn you! (I have in mind to create a wrapper template, to smooth out all those bumps in usage of the template, but haven't gotten around to it yet.) Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 04:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

[Bug] Template:Latest stable software release/Aarogya Setu

Hi, Template details are not reflecting in infobox, Please help to fix Anoop (talk) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Anoopspeaks:  Fixed the capitalization of the infobox's |name= parameter to match the article name and template. GoingBatty (talk) 04:48, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Anoop (talk) 05:07, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Search

I'm not getting suggestions whenever I'm searching anything on wikipedia. Why? Can anybody help me for this? Hasan (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Ulubatli Hasan. That sounds most unusual. The 'Search' box in the top right corner of the page in desktop (non-mobile) mode is working just fine for me. A can type in any well-known word (like 'Apple') and see a list of possible suggested things I might want to look at, from fruit to computers. Are you using a mobile phone and/or a mobile app? And what terms have you been searching for, and what are you seeing when you do try to find something? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nick Moyes, Thanks for your kind reply. I'm using laptop and that's not working whenever I'm searching any page. This is happening only on enwiki. I also edit urwiki and hiwiki, it works there but not here. I searched the word "Apple" but got no suggestion. for example, if I type "Apple" then there will be no result/suggestion until I press enter key and find the result. Hasan (talk) 16:41, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ulubatli Hasan I've just tested searching on five different browsers, and all give me a 'drop-down' set of possible answers after I type 'Apple' but before hitting enter. I see you don't edit here much, so I'm going to suggest that this may well be because of the 'Skin' you have set in Special:Preferences on en-wiki. I have just looked at Help:Searching, and it says that the default 'Vector' skin (which I and most users will have running) behave differently to some of the others, such as 'Monobook'. Please could I ask you to check which 'Skin' you have and let us know what happens if you change it to 'Vector'? Also: which browser are you using? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:54, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ulubatli Hasan No - that isn't it. I've just changed my skin to Monobook, and I didn't experience the issue you describe. I still got a drop-down list of possible apple-related topics before I pressed enter, whereas you're saying that yo do not get that automaitic drop-down list.

I am at a loss as to the cause unless it's a browser setting or a pop-up blocker affecting things.

So, in your shoes, I would first reboot my laptop in case something is affecting functionality here which a simple restart might clear up. Then I'd either wait and see if anyone here can offer you a better answer, or I'd go to our technical helpdesk called Village Pump (Technical) and repeat your question there, possibly linking to our chat here, but ensuring you give as much succinct information about your problem and attempts to resolve it as you can. There will be many more technical people lurking then than me! Nick Moyes (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Nick Moyes for your help. I've removed my common.css which I had added in oct 2020. Since then it was not working. Now, It's working perfectly after removing. I don't know why I had added (copied a user) common.css. I also removed vector.js. Thanks. Hasan (talk) 05:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

That’s great to hear, though I wouldn’t have thought of that myself! Nick Moyes (talk) 07:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Where to set language in Wikipedia?

Where in my personal Wikipedia place can I set the language I prefer? Arno Jacobs (talk) 08:27, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Arno Jacobs Welcome to Teahouse, you can set the language you prefer by going to Special:Preferences > Internationalisation > Select the language you preferred from the dropdown menu and click Save button at the bottom. After which, English Wikipedia should change to the language you have selected. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:43, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, that worked for me. kind regards, Arno Jacobs (talk) 09:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Where can I create a User Page for Wikiprojects in which I do not have one?

I have created a merged account, however I am wondering where to create something along the lines of a 'universal' account to be displayed on Wikiprojects where I lack an account. I recall it as being the Meta-Wiki however I could be wrong. WhenYouWiki (A person) (Talk) 09:24, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, WhenYouWiki your userpage at Meta will show up at any projects where you have not created a seperate user page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! WhenYouWiki (A person) (Talk) 09:35, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

How is my article moved from the sandbox to the main page?

I can't see any method of attempting to get my article "out there" from the sandbox JustinatDNSYE (talk) 10:22, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm looking at your article and I'll be first to admit I'm no administrator but I have been around for a good while and see no possible way that your work could ever be added to the project as-is. Your best bet IMO would be to carefully read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Your_first_article I hope this is of help to you.   Aloha27  talk  10:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

JustinatDNSYE Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Drafts may be submitted using Articles for creation. However, your draft would almost certainly be declined, as it does not have any independent reliable sources to support it. A Wikipedia article should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. In order for you to be successful in writing about your podcast, you need to set aside everything you know about it and only summarize what independent sources have chosen on their own to say about it(no press releases, interviews, brief mentions or primary sources). Most people have great difficulty with that. Please read Your first article. 331dot (talk) 10:35, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

And even if you were successful, you would no longer be able to directly edit it once it was formally placed in the encyclopedia(I think that's what you meant when you said "Main Page", which is a specific page), and would be limited to edit requests. Wikipedia has no interest in helping you publicize your podcast or in enhancing search results for it. 331dot (talk) 10:38, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect formatting on Alice Cooper's School's Out page

The formatting appears to be incorrect for the following section. Looks like table data is not formatted correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School's_Out_(song)#Cover_versions 4.19.72.62 (talk) 12:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP from St Paul - you were right it was malformatted, but it also did not meet the requirements of WP:COVERSONG, so I have deleted it - Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 12:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit war between five different people

Not sure which guideline(s) would solve my problem so I'm posting here.

There is an article I'm currently watching that got a large edit that I agree with keeping a few weeks ago. Since then, the new edit has been blanked constantly by no less than seven people, all of which I reverted, or otherwise expanded, but those I didn't revert because I agreed with the latter. The only user who kept being "interested" in the article was a vandal and was since blocked, so no discussion, no WP:BRD which I'm always willing to do, has happened.

If this was done between two people constantly reverting each other, whether or not they argued in the edit summaries instead of leaving the status quo article and discussing in talk, then this would be a regular edit war and I wouldn't be writing this. This couldn't be me 'claiming ownership of the article' as per WP:OWN either since none of the editors, 5 of which are IP users, seem to be interested enough on the topic to create any discussion - I am simply the only interested user in the article, at least on this specific topic. I did however present my argument for keeping the edit, but given that all of the IP users are casual editors, I doubt they even saw my comment.

So, what is my best course of action? Do I keep reverting any unconstructive blankings? Do I do just that but also tell the editor to look at some talk section I would have made, in hopes it changes anything? Do I request semi-protection in hopes that the next registered user to edit there would be willing to do BRD with me? Fasscass (talk) 04:13, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fasscass, welcome to the teahouse. If you are referring to your edits on Order-State of Burgundy, please check the verifiability guideline, you cited no sources in the section that you added. Justiyaya (talk) 05:12, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I would have to agree with the anon on this one, if there are no reliable sources covering the topic. -- Justiyaya (talk) 05:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Fasscass, your edits are unreferenced, and therefore are in violation of our core content policies Verifiabilty and No original research. The onus is on you to provide a reference to a reliable source. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:24, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Justiyaya. Suppose that I cite the edit, what would my options be then? None of the editors reverted on the basis of it having no verifiability, so adding a citation should not stop or properly manage this 'war', which is the issue at hand. I repeat the options I identify:

Do I keep reverting any unconstructive blankings? Do I do just that but also tell the editor to look at some talk section I would have made, in hopes it changes anything? Do I request semi-protection in hopes that the next registered user to edit there would be willing to do BRD with me?

Fasscass (talk) 05:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fasscass, I wouldn't classify these as unconstructive edits because they are reverting an edit that is not verifiable, assuming that you have a reliable source, steam workshop probably won't apply, it is probably unlikely that any editor will revert your edit. The best option I would suggest is move on and edit some other article or something else. Going over your listed "options":

1. Do I keep reverting any unconstructive blankings? (a: The edits are probably not considered unconstructive)
2. Do I do just that but also tell the editor to look at some talk section I would have made, in hopes it changes anything? (a: Reverting an edit and discussing it will probably not change anything due to the edit being in violation of WP:V)
3. Do I request semi-protection in hopes that the next registered user to edit there would be willing to do BRD with me? (a: Don't request semi protection unless there is a "significant amount of disruption or vandalism from new or unregistered users") Justiyaya (talk) 06:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Justiyaya. From earlier:

Suppose I cite the edit, what would my options be then?

In the situation that I add the citation, my edits will most probably still be reverted by IP casual editors with no knowledge of when one should revert, or how discussion is carried out in Wikipedia. What then should I do to respond to multiple casual editors reverting the now-valid text? Do I just restore indefinitely as I said earlier? Do I request protection since blanking the text to then never discuss the changes is disruptive, given that this text is now with a citation? Fasscass (talk) 07:08, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Fasscass: When you cite the edit with reliable sources, and if other people revert your edit, you can choose to revert but do not violate WP:3RR when doing so. Discussions can be carried out in someone's talk page or the talk page in the article, remember to ping the editor if you are not using their talk page. If it's a recent change, I still wouldn't consider the edit disruptive, the editor might just be being WP:BOLD. I wouldn't request protection unless multiple new editors are engaging in disruptive editing. Justiyaya (talk) 07:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

So no, do not restore indefinitely, as doing so would be a violation of WP:3RR and do not request protection unless there is "significant amount of disruption or vandalism from new or unregistered users". Justiyaya (talk) 07:26, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Terribly bureaucratic and incompatible, as many overly generalized rules here go. Thankfully WP:IAR exists. Thanks for the help though. Fasscass (talk) 09:48, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fasscass, I would like to apologize for my statement before that "it is probably unlikely that any editor will revert your edit". I didn't look at the context surrounding your edit. I think "in popular culture" sections generally don't exist in these articles. Justiyaya (talk) 13:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

If anyone can help to see if I'm missing anything, it would be much appreciated.

I would like to get this approved but if you think I should edit any of the largest parts to express more "notability", please let me know! One of his members from KARD Somin has an approved page and I just wanted to make another one for one of the other members as well. Any advice would be much appreciated! Thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:BM_(rapper) Liloandsnitch (talk) 11:08, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Liloandsnitch: welcome to the Teahouse. I haven't looked at the draft closely enough to be able to comment on notability, but one thing that sticks out a bit is the use of external links in the article body. Words in a Wikipedia article shouldn't be linked to external websites, so you should remove all such links; you can do that right away, you don't need to wait for the draft to be reviewed. There's more information in the External links policy. There can be an "External links" section at the end of an article, but that should be kept to a minimum of links, and the Youtube and Soundcloud links to individual songs that are in the draft now should not be added there, either. --bonadea contributions talk 12:09, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Bonadea I seriously appreciate the feedback and thank you for the welcome :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liloandsnitch (talk • contribs)

Just as a note from a first blush, the entire Early Life section lacks any references. You'll need refs for a lot in there. Hometown, siblings, high school, pursuit of dance, college, major. 50.234.188.27 (talk) 13:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

As a quick addition to this comment; if you have one or two sources that support all of that information, you can add them at the end of a section. The rule of thumb for citations is that each citation supports all the text since the last citation, so you don't need to repeat a cite for each individual claim. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:05, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Photograph

I want to add a photograph to my published article. How do I do this? Thrupence (talk) 13:06, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Thrupence: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can find out how to upload images to Wikipedia (or Commons) here, and how to add them to pages here. But first, make sure that the image does not go against Wikipedia's image use policy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:06, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Smiles.ai

Hi, I’d love to get feedback for this draft. This my first article. Before it is moved to mainspace I need to know if this draft meets all the guidelines to get approved. Your help will be appreciated. Thank you!😊 Maygha19 (talk) 13:43, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Maygha19. I'm afraid your draft would not be accepted as it stands. The business would need to meet our Notability Criteria for Businesses. That means we would need at least three independent sources to have talked about this business in detail, and in depth. Insider business trade magazines would not suffice - but national news media would. At a quick wordsearch for 'Smiles' within each of them, none of the three sources you provided even seem to have mentioned that business, so they would not be suitable. Sorry to disappoint. If you can find better sources, then we could take a further quick look for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:24, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Improvement for declined article

Hi all,

Hope you are doing good and safe.

This is my article Draft:Gopinath Ravi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gopinath_Ravi

It have been declined recently. But I feel he is notable person and have enough citations for that.

He is famous model and actor. He won Mr India 2021 title and acted in a movie. He is going to represent India in Master of Misters pageant in USA. He is famous personality in instagram. Many top newspaper published about him. Also he appeared in most of the news channels & recent trending in many famous youtube channels too.

Citations: Many Newspaper company who are all have verified page in Wikipedia published about him such as Deccan Chronicle , The Times of India, The News Today (India) , Dinamalar

1) http://epaper.deccanchronicle.com/epaper_main.aspx#2489028

2) https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/tamil/movies/news/i-had-to-hit-prabhudeva-sir-with-an-iron-rod-for-my-first-shot-in-the-film-gopinath-ravi/articleshow/83283852.cms

3) https://newstodaynet.com/index.php/2021/04/12/tn-man-wins-mr-india-asia-pacific/

4) https://m.dinamalar.com/cinema_detail.php?id=96959

And still there are more citation about him which I have mentioned in the article.

Can anyone please look into my article & tell me whether my article is enough good to move it into live space? Or do I'm missing anything in this article? Please advise me.

Thanks in advance. Kamesh Aravind P (talk) 14:06, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kamesh Aravind P: I took a quick look at the sourcing and I don’t think there’s enough to demonstrate notability. The Mr. India contest is not the same as Mr. India World, and is not inherently notable. His film career is just taking off, but he would need to have more than a minor role in a film to meet the WP:NACTOR guidelines. This is WP:TOOSOON. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:40, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

/* Correction and update needed for a Wikipedia Page */

Okay, I'm new here and just checked out the Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor talk section. I was disturbed by this comment: "She isn't currently a member of the royal family since she's not an HRH, and as the source says, even among the extended family, Maud Windsor was born first." Lili Mountbatten-Windsor is a member of the royal family. Prince Charles is her grandfather and Prince William the child's uncle. To suggest, otherwise is highly unethical and bias. Also, can someone properly correct the child's Wikipedia page to point out that she "Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor is the first and only great-granddaughter who is a direct descendant of Britians current monarch Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles, to be born in the United States." Source: https://www.eonline.com/news/1277118/lilibet-diana-is-the-queens-11th-great-grandchild-meet-the-youngest-royals Purplebrown43 (talk) 17:48, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

The talk page of the article is the correct place for the discussion. The discussion doesn't belong here. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:54, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I bought this up on the talk page. And nothing has been done about it, as of yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplebrown43 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Editors are volunteers. People get to stuff when they do. Be patient. A friend of mine had a response when someone came to her office claiming that a situation was an emergency. She asked, "Will a child die if this is not dealt with immediately?" When the answer was no, her reply was, "Then it's not an emergency." Determining whether Lilibet is or is not a member of the royal family, at the Talk page of the article, is not an emergency. David notMD (talk) 15:02, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Apologies that I must sound like a dullard. When I get email messages to click a link that should lead to a response, this appears not to take me to any response! What am I missing??

 FahnbullehV (talk) 15:36, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

If you are asking about communicating within Wikipedia, it's not email. I left you a comment on your Talk page. If you click on Talk at the top menu, should take you to your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 15:43, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

On the Talk page, how does one respond to the observations of others?? I see no means of doing this.

 FahnbullehV (talk) 15:12, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, FahnbullehV, and welcome to the Teahouse! So, the key insight about talk pages is that they're just wikipages that, in a technical sense, are exactly like regular articles in how we go about editing them. So, responding to someone on a talk page is a similar process to editing a particular section on a regular article--go to that section's edit link, clcik on it, and place your response below the person you're responding to on a new line. The etiquette on Wikipedia is to indent your response by starting it with one or more colons (:), to create a visual distinction between the original post and your reply, and to sign your posts by including four tildes (~~~~) at the end. You can find more information at Help:Talk_pages#Replying_to_an_existing_thread. Hope this helps, Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:27, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Am I correct that I am responding to Writ Keeper? If so you have done me a great favor in showing me how to do this. I'm doing this in source editing, of course, but can I do it in visual editing? BTW, I have copied and pasted your helpful response to a place where I can access it again.FahnbullehV (talk) 15:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@FahnbullehV 100% correct and no, visual editing doesn't work on talkpages... with default settings, that is. You may want to check out Preferences (upper right-ish of page) > Beta features > Discussion tools. There's alot of interesting stuff in preferences. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

And there's something similar under Preferences > Editing. I'm actually not sure what the difference is/which is best. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:06, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Image without copyrights

Hello, I want to add some images to my article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Timothy_Verdon

I don't have the copyrights, but I have seen some other pages having images that are not free, but allowed because they were altered? Like if I animate a pic, will it be okay to use?

Thanks! Xavierwraith (talk) 01:49, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

No. Fair-use images are not permitted in drafts, full stop. Altering a fair-use image does not make the result not fair-use. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:24, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

And to give the information that Jéské Couriano didn't give you, Xavierwraith: the conditions under which non-free materials may be used are quite restrictive: you must meet all the conditions in WP:NFCC. --ColinFine (talk) 16:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Category talk:Freemasonry in the Roman Catholic Church

Good morning to any WP user, let me give two thoughts:

• 1) If the Roman Catholic Church has Wikipedia:Notability, then the true Category:Freemasonry in the Roman Catholic Church has the same degree of notability, since the Freemasonry is the Synagogue of Satan. Infact, Saint Pius X defined it as the "Synagogue of Satan" in his encyclical Etsi multa luctuosa. Like Jude the Iscariot, any human creature of God is capable of committing the same sin and to become the Temple of Satan (John 13,27) instead of being the Temple of the Temple of the Holy Spirit God. Two contraries, two opposing realities like the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ have reasonably to have the same degree of notability.

• 2) the second issue is that WP can't have empty categories. We need to find under Category:Freemasons one or more biographoes of Roman Catholic priests, deacons, bishops or simple lay believers, or of people who have been excommunicated for their belonging to the Freemasonry. We need to build up a query to cross the common elements, to make a merge between Category:Freemasons and one or more of the following categories: Roman Catholics by nationality‎, Lists of Roman Catholics‎, Roman Catholics by period, Roman Catholic religious workers‎, Roman Catholic religious workers‎. Hope in the eventual aid of the other WP users. Untill John Paul II's reform of the Code of Canon Law at the end of the 1980s, Roman Catholics were forbidden to become member of the Satanist Freemasonry.

Finally, I modestly would like to apologize with non Christian users of Wikipedia. But to talk of a similar category makes unavoidably to deal with truth of faith like the identity between Freemasonry ans Satanism. This doesn't mean any Freemason can have the divine grace of a full conversion to the Lord Jesus. And WP obviously isn't the right place or website to do that. I don't think the reasoning can be shortened further. I apologize for its lenght and for the imperfect English in which it has been written.

Let you have a good continuation on WP with the aid of the Lord Jesus and of the Holy Spirit God.Theologian81sp (talk) 17:57, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Theologian81sp: good evening. This is presumably about the deletion tag placed on Category:Freemasonry in the Roman Catholic Church. Quite simply, if there are no Wikipedia articles or other pages that would belong in a category, that category shouldn't exist. I wouldn't think individuals should be added to that category, since Category:Roman Catholic Freemasons exists and is populated. --bonadea contributions talk 18:31, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Theologian81sp: Adding to what Bonadea said, my feeling is that it actually sounds more like a possible title for an article, but not a Category. (i.e. Freemasonry in the Roman Catholic Church). Here's hoping we all continue to work on Wikipedia productively, with or without anyone's God's intervention. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 19:14, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes and Buonasera:, thanks for your replies. To create an article It seems to be a good idea. The name of the category is misunderstanding because the Synagogue of Satan and the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ God are still incompatibile, despite the laws reinveted by Wojtyla. It is a matter of substance and not of changeable human laws. If nobody of the following popes changed this rule, this could happen because all of them served Satan. I would like to add Bergoglio to this category. What a proof? 300 Italian people murdered on August 24, 2016 in Amatrice, Italy, during what has been presented as a natural earthquake, but It was really a genocide, the highest Italian genocide for number of victims after the Sant'Anna di Stazzema massacre, committed in 12 August 1944. Both of them were human sacrifices to Satan. Some Italians betrayed the nation and united themselves to the will of the Pope and his numerically limited, but highly coached army. Such a human sacrifice is linked to Satanism and the Synagogue of Satan and has to be categorized consequently. For the category's name is deceiving, a Category: Freemasons excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church would be more objective and easily to be populated. It would be helpful for WP to create it too. But, after the Wojtyla's Reform of the Code of Canon Law, Satanist Freemasons of the Roman Catholic hierarchy haven't been excommunicated yet. This group of figures needs a category like the current one. Two materials to be added are: Wojtyla for his masonic, and Bergoglio with concerns to the 2016 Satanic genocide of Amatrice. I apologize for a lenghty comment whose contents may hit the self-awareness of many WP users, but that's all true and this is the unique free website to talk about that. In my modest opinion, nothing is off-topic in this case. Any comment would be kindly appreciated. Best regards, Theologian81sp (talk) 07:35, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Theologian81sp: I cannot comment on most of your remarks above, as they are not directly relevant to the work of the Teahouse. But the one bit of advice I can give you is that it is only OK to create a new article about a tropic if there are detailed, reliable published sources that already written about something. We ignore fringe theories, self-published work and topics with no pre-existing coverage. This is because we are an encyclopaedia that simply collates and distils existing material, we don't ever write about our own ideas or original research, or that of other people. But if sources are available in mainstream published outlets then, and only then, might such an article be accepted. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes:, I will try to write a section related to John Paul II, while concerning the issues of Bergoglio I an not able to do anything since no one pf the people or survived will be avaialable to testify what was relly happened. I respect WP:NPOV and kindly appreciate its absence of censorship with regards to a so relevant matter. About the excommunication for Freemasons the previous immutable teaching is still in force as it has been clarified on Noveber 26, 1983. But the 1983 Code of Canon Law abolished any explicit reference to the excommunication and this has made much more difficult the real enforceability of the norm, which became subordinated to a singular or to a case-by-case interpretation. I will start to categorize Roman Catholics who have been excommunicated for their belonging to the Freeamasonry. The presence of high-ranked prelates to public Masonic events (and vice versa) makes predictable the number of excommunications decreed after the 1983 reform will result very limited, so as to say the immutable norm has been put into brackets and overtaken in the real life of the Church, in favour to a more tolerant connection with the Synagogue of Satan.

Thanks for your reply. Best regards, Theologian81sp (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Query

Actually my article was rejected. I want to know why.. Draft Ansh jain-Young Talent 43.245.150.69 (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

See these links: WP:BASIC and if they apply, WP:AUTO/WP:COI. Draft at Draft:Ansh Jain- Young Talent. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Unless you are the IP of the user who created the draft (if so, please see WP:OVERSIGHT), you were not the one who created the draft. However, for future reference, usually the person who declines the draft (in this case @Theroadislong:) provides an explanation as to why it was declined in the first place on the draft itself. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:45, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

And this one: Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:46, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

The draft was declined not rejected, User:Vishakha.jain created the draft and would appear to have a conflict of interest. There are three sources the first is the book itself which cannot be used to establish any notability, the second doesn’t mention Ansh Jain and the third is the publisher of the book so is not independent. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Theroadislong (talk) 18:14, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Lt Gen Shafaat Ullah Shah ( R)

An article for the above title was submitted in May 2021 for publication according to the pattern of other such titles but there is no information available if this page will be published or not or it is still under consideration? I shall appreciate a feed back Infantry28 (talk) 18:08, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Infantry28. You submitted Draft:Shafaat Ullah Shah and it was rejected. It consisted only of a link to an off-Wikipedia document. Drafts need to be written on Wikipedia. Please read Your first article to understand what is required. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Infantry28, if you mean Draft:Shafaat Ullah Shah, it will not be accepted in it's current form because there's nothing there except a link to a doc I presume you uploaded. You have some reading to do, start with WP:BASIC. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:TUTORIAL, WP:BLP and WP:YFA. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:22, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I need help with the visual editor

Sometimes, when I am editing, the visual editor dosent want to open. In fact, right now I am writing with the source editor beacuse it’s not letting me use the visual editor. And I find the source editor very complicated and time consuming. HenryOmarCCCmango (talk) 17:48, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@HenryOmarCCCmango: the visual editor is only available to edit articles. It can't be used on talk pages or other non-article pages such as the Teahouse. You can see more about what limits it has at WP:VE RudolfRed (talk) 17:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@HenryOmarCCCmango WP:s talk/forum pages doesn't work (mostly) with VE. However, you can test Preferences (upper right-ish of page) > Beta features > Discussion tools. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:02, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I didn’t expect people to reply to me in a short time! Anyways, thank you! HenryOmarCCCmango (talk) 18:30, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

i need help

you did create a bio post about my self and it got declied i want to know what's wrong with it and what i can add or remove so i can post it. Hatemjamlaoui (talk) 17:30, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hatemjamlaoui Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as an encyclopedia Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Wikipedia has no interest in what a person wants to say about themselves, only in what others completely unconnected with them choose to say about them.

Attempting to write about yourself, though not forbidden, is strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy. This is in part because people naturally write favorably about themselves. In order to succeed in writing about yourself, you need to set aside everything you know about yourself and only write based on what independent sources say about you. Most people have great difficulty with that. Please read Your first article. 331dot (talk) 17:40, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

The refs are no good because they are not about you. Also, your social media are not valid refs. David notMD (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Resources

I am writing my first articles about each book in a series. I submitted the first one and I am sure that I cited the book incorrectly, but anyway, the article was declined because it did not have a reliable source, but the only source that I need and used is the book itself. So why did it get rejected.

Thank you Memadigan64 (talk) 18:20, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Memadigan64 For a specific book to have a separate article on WP, that is incorrect, see WP:NBOOK. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Confirming the book exists is not sufficient. Because - really - every book in the world deserves its own article? Books can be article-worthy if there is published literature about the book. David notMD (talk) 18:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Memadigan64, reviews by professional critics are the most common building blocks for acceptable Wikipedia articles about books. Here is a Kirkus review of the book from 1943. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:51, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

How do you get to Sandbox Mode?

How do you get into Sandbox Mode? Thanks! Bookworm34578 (talk) 19:32, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bookworm34578: Welcome, and thanks for wanting to practice in the sandbox. You can use the community sandbox at WP:SANDBOX which anyone can edit and gets cleared out regularly, or you can click the "Sandbox" link at the very top of the page next to your username and that is your own sandbox. RudolfRed (talk) 19:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Is the Teahouse in a menu? This seems like a good place to get help.

 FahnbullehV (talk) 15:54, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Not that I know of. I use bookmark in my browser, myself. You may find WP:WATCHLIST helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

On Edge browser, and probably others: left-hand-side of the screen, look under "Contribute", and you'll see "Community Portal". Click on that, and it will offer you a range of interesting places including both the Teahouse and the Help desk Elemimele (talk) 16:15, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

That works. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:20, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Gråbergs, you and others have been very patient with me.FahnbullehV (talk) 19:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

FahnbullehV, the easiest way to visit the Teahouse is to type the shortcut WP:TH into the search box. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:19, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I've made a note of it. (There is so much to remember!) FahnbullehV (talk)

What to do with pages that are created in mainspace while a draft already exists?

Finding too many of them today. Bedardi (1993 film) has Draft:Bedardi (1993 film). Similarly Malti Chahar and Trishna Singh. I had speedy them as A10 since a duplicate copy exists but it seems to be an invalid reason (maybe because copy is in draft space). Can someone tell me what to do with them or handle them? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:00, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Nomadicghumakkad, the articles are not very similar, which is one of the criterion of A10. In this case WP:MERGE the two articles. Sungodtemple (talk) 22:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Gift cards

 2600:1702:1F10:8920:4C81:54E1:25B6:4D94 (talk) 01:56, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome. The Teahouse is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. Did you have a question? RudolfRed (talk) 02:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Need a Clarification for Draft: Haniya Nafisa

Hi there!!! So, I have been suggested to use a couple of Foreign Language References for my Draft:Haniya Nafisa. Currently, I need to use

 |language= and |trans-title= 

Kindly let me know how to use them. Thanks in Advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:44, 30 June 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:44, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: |language= marks the language of the source; either its name or the language code (listed at Template:Citation Style documentation/language/doc). For example, a Malayalam-language source would have |language=ml. If the title of a source isn't in English, you still put the original title in |title, and a translated title into |trans-title. There's an example of both of these in use at Template:Cite web#Foreign language and translated title Vahurzpu (talk) 02:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing

why i cant Edit some Pages? 37.209.1.75 (talk) 19:21, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Some articles are under various levels of protection due to vandalism or other editing disputes. You are welcome to make edit requests on the relevant article talk page. 331dot (talk) 19:29, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia:Protection policy details the levels of protection and explains what the colorful lock icons that you see on top of articles you can't edit. GoingBatty (talk) 05:05, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Addition of time zones

In this template's page, the table doesn't have the following time zones in the 'Supported time zones' section:

Time zones needed

Abbreviation	Name of the time zones	UTC offset
IRST	Iran Standard Time	UTC+03:30
GST	Gulf Standard Time	UTC+04:00
AFT	Afghanistan Time	UTC+04:30
MVT	Maldives Time	UTC+05:00
IST	Indian Standard Time	UTC+05:30
NST	Nepal Standard Time	UTC+05:45
BST	Bangladesh Standard Time	UTC+06:00
MMT	Myanmar Standard Time	UTC+06:30
ICT	Indochina Time	UTC+07:00

Please try to include these in the table. Thank you! Excellenc1 (talk) 03:56, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you don't receive a response here, I suggest posting your request at the template's talk page: Template talk:Current hour offset in time zone. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:57, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi all, I need some guidance on corporate notability issues on a article I have submitted, help please, thanks for your time Goldstriker (talk) 05:25, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Goldstriker: Welcome to the Teahouse! Please create a new section for your query so that it is noticed by other users. Excellenc1 (talk) 05:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I'll also post this request in the talk page. Thank you!Excellenc1 (talk) 05:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Notability Doubt

Those members of parliament or other state or national legislative bodies that are appointed by president – are they included in WP:NPOL? It says “Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels”. So it doesn’t discriminate between elected or appointed members. But want to confirm again. Fishandnotchips (talk) 09:46, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Elected or appointed - the barrier for notability is, as always, sources. Someone could be elected to Parliament, but if no-one has written about them, they're far less notable than potentially someone "lower" than them who's been written about far more. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 11:23, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Fishandnotchips! No it does not discriminate between the two. We want to have biographies of all members of national and sub-national parliaments, present, past and future; we don't think we ever need to care/consider/evaluate/worry-about whether or not they meet WP:GNG. If you read the adjoining footnote on NPOL, we want to have complete coverage on the MPs regardless of whether we can find WP:SIGCOV on them. Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I've come across something that *kind of* violates usepage policy?

I was bouncing around [[:Category:Geishas]] and editing the article Sada Abe, and I came across the userpage of Japan Writer 64 in the process.

Their userpage reads like a resume, but as far as I can tell, it's meant to have been a draft - it has draft categories, and the edit summaries seem to support this. It's not actually the worst self-promoting draft I've seen; it seems like the user took the time to understand what a draft should be, even if it's not sourced correctly. That's basically Christmas for self-promoting articles.

The user hasn't edited since April, and only has 4 edits, but it does seem a violation of WP:UPNOT, or at least, something that should've been placed in a Draft space. I don't feel able to help out - I can barely find my own draft article, to be honest - but it feels like something that would need action taking, or at least some gentle guidance. Any help? (Thanks!) Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 11:21, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Ineffablebookkeeper! The userpage in question seems to be have been speedy deleted under WP:U5. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:27, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Need to change a picture on the Betty and Barney Hill page, star map is a fake Zeta Reticuli overlay of Betty Hill' star map, its been confirmed that Zeta Reticuli has no planets

 Steven3951 (talk) 14:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Marjorie Fish's interpretation of Betty Hill's purported alien star map, with "Sol" (upper right) being the Latin name for the Sun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven3951 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Barney_and_Betty_Hill § Analyzing_the_star_map.   Maproom (talk) 07:41, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Steven3951, welcome to Wikipedia! Yours seems like a proposition for the subject matter experts who would edit that article. I am not sure I even understand what the issue is. Please post your concerns and proposals regarding the article to its talk page, Talk:Barney and Betty Hill, where it may be further discussed among editors of that article. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

My page

Hello, I want to know if my page has been posted to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:George_Cervantes Marcorubiocali (talk) 14:17, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Marcorubiocali, no it hasn't, and it won't be - as clearly stated in the text you deleted "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia." - Arjayay (talk) 14:21, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I made a whole new page. The person is known actor. Please review the page for me. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcorubiocali (talk • contribs) 14:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

A) Teahouse hosts are not reviewers. B) The draft has been nominated for Speedy deletion, meaning it will be gone soon. C) Your attempt to create an article about him under his professional name Draft:George The Matchmaker was speedy deleted last week. Nothing in the drafts established or even hinted at the level of reliable-source notability required to be an article. Persist in this pursuit and you will be blocked. David notMD (talk) 14:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Marcorubiocali, I can not see your drafts since they have already been deleted, but please note that actor biographies need to meet the notability criterion at WP:GNG or failing that one of the criteria at WP:NACTOR. You need to find independent, secondary, reliable sources demonstrating that the notability criteria are met. And then, you need to write a draft in a dispassionate neutral language. Don't exaggerate. Don't write what a great actor the subject is; rather, write about his work, and what critics have said about his work, and let the reader decide whether and how great he is. Since you don't have any other edits, I assume you have an interest in only promoting that subject. You need to disclose any conflict of interests you have in wanting to promote this subject, per WP:COI. Furthermore, Wikipedia is not for promotion, so if you continue to write promotional drafts and promotional drafts only, you will be considered to have been here to hinder the encyclopedia not build it, and you will be blocked from participating in the project. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

IUPAC Name of Heyneanine article isn't working/displaying

IUPAC name of heyneanine isnt working. I tried IUPACName and IUPAC_NAME but its not displaying Machinexa (talk) 10:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Machinexa (talk) 10:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed | IUPACName belongs in the main part of the chembox, not in one of the later subordinate sections. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:40, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

website link to company’s page

Hi,I am new to wikipedia.I have a query. Can company’s official website link use as reference in company’s page/article? Will it help for notability? Maygha19 (talk) 10:05, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it can be cited for uncontroversial information about the company. No, it's not an independent source and so contributes nothing to establishing notability. Maproom (talk) 10:44, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested information

My contribution was not accepted for a couple reasons but one was confusing. It said “ We also need to see that others considered this important and wrote about it in reliable sources.” Which makes me think there wasn’t sufficient interests but I was reading another Wikipedia entry and noticed that the title Musicae Sacrae was in red and when I clicked on it there was no entry and Wikipedia itself requested that I write one. So I researched for 4 hours and wrote three drafts before publishing. What more could I have done? Tzagin (talk) 03:02, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tzagin: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at Draft:Musicae Sacrae, I see only one (misformatted) reference to a primary source. Per Wikipedia's general notability guide, we're looking for "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". You may add more references and continue working on the draft, and submit it again when it meets this criteria. Help:Your first article also has lots of good information for you. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:03, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Note, Tzagin that any search you do in Wikipedia for specific words that are not the name of an existing article or redirect will take you to a page of results which says You may create the page "Search term goes here", but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.. Note the use of the word "may": this is not a plea for you to create the page but merely stating that such a creation would be allowed. When I search for "Musicae Sacrae" currently, the nearest hit is to a Section in the existing article Church Music Association of America#Consociatio Internationalis Musicae Sacrae, so maybe some new information could go there, or in other articles that already mention these words. Similarly, if you click on a redlink to any item that is not yet an article, the edit window will open to allow you to start an article with that title but that is just showing this is allowed, not requesting you write it. In this case, someone linked Musicae Sacrae but couldn't be bothered to start such an article themselves. Now, as you have found out, it may be that such an article is difficult to write owing to lack of reliable WP:Secondary sources that establish notability of the topic. In passing, it is worth noting that clicking on this redlink now will point out that your Draft exists. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:19, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello dears I'm new here and I need help to BLP :)

hi guys, how are you doing?

I've been having problems with publishing two articles regarding two biographies of people currently alive.

I was told that there were too few citations, and as a result of this event:

-In the first case I have added a fair amount of citations and am waiting to be confirmed or declined, and in the second case I would like to understand why...

This is the page for the first case:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Desiderio_Sanzi

-In the second case, which is the last article I created and also the reason why I am writing to you at this point, I understand that I have added only 4 citations, but they are very important as I have linked a video with 27 million and a half views and an article by cyptonomist that talks about him, anyway I have other references to add, but I don't understand well:

How many are needed? Can I link to social when I talk about the same? Are these considered good citations to show that the artist is still active and alive?

I don't understand what I need to do to avoid that every time I write something it ends up in the drafts, I understand the quotes thing, but I don't know... is there some sort of minimum number to reach?

The article is not very big, so I don't understand what sources I should still cite in the proposed article, I would need some help please, maybe some indication :)

This is the page of the second case:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Simon_Dee_(artist)

I thank you in advance for your answers, wikipedia offers an incredible service that I have been using for more than 10 years, I thank you in advance for the possibility of being able to improve your platform with some articles that do not yet exist, regarding topics that are known and close to me.

I've written two biographies of contemporary artists since I'm a recently born crypto-artist, and these articles I'm proposing are by two people I greatly respect and who are quite a few years ahead of me. Nscent (talk) 09:57, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

For Draft:Desiderio_Sanzi, the problem is not the number of references, it's their quality. The first one simply lists "Desiderio" and says nothing about him; the other next two don't even mention him. (I haven't checked the others.) You need to find and cite sources with with extensive discussion of the subject (and remove all those with no relevant content).

Draft:Simon_Dee_(artist) cites four sources. One merely lists his name, the other three report what he says himself, and so aren't independent. So there's no evidence of notability there. Maproom (talk) 10:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nscent. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 11:20, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thank you all for the responses! I wanted to write here in the tea-house just to better understand and learn how to be helpful in creating articles on topics I know about. I understand very well what you were explaining to me, also about the reliability of a source and the quality of it, that you are not interested in your own impressions but an objective point on the matter. Where possibly the main topic of the article cited in that source is discussed and not just mentioned.

I put a lot of effort into editing the first draft today after your responses:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Desiderio_Sanzi

Trying to make it as compliant as possible to your standards. It's not a matter of knowledge or collaboration: the sources I cited, are super good and quality, like the ones I found and used in that article currently.

There are no interviews where the author is "self-referential" but they are all outside people writing something about the artist in question.

I mentioned: americasquarterly, GRANMA.CU, ilgiornale.it, comune.terni.it, ansa.it, espoarte.net

I believe that most of the references are institutional sites so they are really of quality, like granma.cu

I'm waiting for more information to understand if I did something wrong and how I can improve the article to make it a real page and not a draft.

Best regards!

Nscent (talk) 30 June 2021 (UTC)

GA review

I was recently doing a GA review for the article Peking Man, and I put the review on hold to give the nominator some time to clear up some confusing/unnecessarily dense language. However, they have said that they don't see what the problem is with the writing and don't want to change it. I'm not quite sure what to do because I feel like the article is very close to GA quality, but some of the sections are very confusing and there are only 2 days left of the hold. Am I allowed to make edits myself to the article in this situation? Or alternatively, does someone mind looking at my comments under the "well-written" section on the review page to see if I am being to strict? Thanks, Kokopelli7309 (talk) 14:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I think there's a balance. If the word fits and the sentence scans well, the the big words might be okay if they are being used correctly. The way the editor has used "preponderance" isn't quite right in two of the three instances in the article. I added a comment on the GA thread to note that. —Carter (talk) 14:41, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Carter: Thank you! Where do you think I should draw the line, then, before the article is ready to be promoted to GA? Kokopelli7309 (talk) 15:18, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Kokopelli7309, I'd probably not fail it for being a little overwritten in a few places, so long as the words were being used correctly. If a reader hits a word they don't know, they're likely will look it up in the dictionary. If there's a casual usage that kinda of fits, but doesn't fully align with the formal definition, then the reader's going to have a problem. That's what we'd want to avoid. —Carter (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Kokopelli7309 (talk) 15:34, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kokopelli7309: I would agree with Tcr25. Technical subjects do sometimes need to use technical terms, but avoiding overuse of complex phraseology is also important, especially where simpler words or terms are available. But a simple diet of plain English can be like plain food - it serves its purpose but becomes dull and uninteresting after a while. At a very quick skim read, I don't see an issue with the complexity of the wording. But are there specific words or phrases you would like us to look at?

Although Carter felt the following was OK: "...French archaeologist Henri Breuil suggested the preponderance of skulls compared to body remains is conspicuous, and hypothesised the remains represent the trophies of cannibalistic headhunters,...", I found it to be a bit clumsy, and would suggest the following subtle change: "...French archaeologist Henri Breuil noted the obvious presence of many skulls compared to other animal and human remains, and hypothesised that they represented the trophies of cannibalistic headhunters,...". I certainly would not wish to see a GA being refused on the grounds of 'long words' being used - providing, that is, they are deployed in the right way. Hope this helps a bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:54, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Nick. To be clear, the sentence can benefit from some cleaning up, as you showed; I was just pointing to that as the one instance where preponderance was used correctly. —Carter (talk) 16:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Tcr25 OK, thanks. My mistake - sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:25, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

• Hello Kokopelli7309! Speaking from zero personal experience nominating or reviewing GAs (so salt per your taste), I would advise against making any substantial edits, especially ones that you have disagreement over with the article's author. Because then, you become one of the authors and lose the standing of an independent reviewer. Some editors think minor edits are fine; many don't even correct minor typos, instead pointing them out in the review. If you are not sure, you can ask for a second opinion per review instructions at WP:GAN/I#2O. You may want to go over the FAQ at WT:GAN and ask your questions on that page when you don't find answers you are looking for. You are far more likely to find editors with GAN experience there, than here. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:57, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

  Thank you all for the advice! In the end, I negotiated some of the wording changes with the reviewer and promoted the article. Kokopelli7309 (talk) 12:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CREATE AN ARTICLE OR WHERE TO GO IF I WANT TO CREATE ONE…

 Sparklestern (talk) 12:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Sparklestern Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please don't yell(use all capital letters). Be advised that successfully creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks to perform on Wikipedia. Diving right in without some knowledge and experience often leads to disappointment, frustration, and hurt feelings as your work is mercilessly edited and deleted by others. To avoid that, please spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It's a good idea to use the new user tutorial as well.

New users cannot directly create articles, but may create and submit a draft using Articles for creation. 331dot (talk) 12:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Date edit

I made an edit to the name of the former head coach of the black stars and the edit has been undone. may I have assistance please Delali Phrank (talk) 13:27, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

In which edit did you do this? In this edit, you asserted that a page at L'Équipe says that James Kwesi Appiah was born on 9 August 1960. L'Équipe says no such thing; what it does say is "30 juin 1960". Is L'Équipe wrong? If so, what more authoritative source do you have for saying 9 August? -- Hoary (talk) 13:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Your unsourced edit contradicts 2 cited references. Why did the reversion surprise you? - David Biddulph (talk) 13:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

The 30 June date also confirmed here. GiantSnowman 13:40, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Preborn Articles

Articles awaiting to be written

Hi, Teahouse.

I was wondering if there any articles which need to be written down. Like are there any red text articles that wait to be written with more information about the subject? I have been a resident of Tasmania and Canberra and I specialise in most of the things pertaining to those countries. Any information about any 'preborn' (a word I have coined for not yet written articles) article which needs to be written would be extremely helpful.

}} It'sBirdy (talk) 12:04, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@It'sBirdy: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can look under Wikipedia:Requested articles for article requests, they are sorted by topic. Please be advised that just because they are on the requested articles that does not mean we actually want an article on that topic. Your first article should guide you along the way. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@It'sBirdy:. Many new editors who have expertise in specific areas find it helpful to join Projects. Those relating to the geography near you can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Geographical/Oceania. They are likely to have "to-do" lists including relatively simple expansion of existing articles. Creating new articles from scratch is very difficult until you have gained some experience. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:26, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

contributing a new Wikipedia page for a client

Hi Teahouse,

BACKGROUND I am an electrical engineer and patent attorney. I have spent much of my professional life writing explanatory materials for others, including making complex subjects easy to understand. Starting our life as an engineer, it was a huge shock, working as a patent attorney, to discover that I was almost illiterate, despite 5 years of university study. I then spent the next 3 years with dictionary in one hand and pen in the other (yes this was last millennium when people used pen and paper and a dictionary - haha). I then turned writing and the English language into my strength. Over the last 35 years my writings have included: patents, technical/legal arguments with patent examination officers, company annual reports, user guides and manuals, technical articles, promotional materials, business plans, government grant applications, and tens of thousands of letters to clients.

MY QUESTION #1 I have a client who is a manufacturer to complex tools used in underground applications in various industries including mining, construction, water wells, geotechnical and oil and gas applications. They have asked me to write a Wikipedia page describing their company and what they do. Two somewhat similar companies, although much larger, are Weatherford International [[13]] and TAM International [[14]].

QUESTION #2 There is a technical field that my client works in - Hydraulic Fracturing. There is an existing Wiki page that refers only to the oilfield applications of this technology [[15]], but does not extend to the many other parts of this field, some of which my client works in. My client is an expert in these areas of hydraulic fracturing and regularly delivers scientific papers to peers at international conferences.

This is a very politically and emotionally charged field and so I am proceeding very cautiously. How do I go about expanding this Wiki page to cover the other parts of the field?

CONFLICT OF INTEREST I understand that since I am being paid to do this I have a conflict of interest that needs to be disclosed (and I note there are a heap of Wiki pages on CoI).

I am seeking to understand how I should produce the Wiki page for review. The advice I have read on this leaves me a bit confused. So, do I write the Wiki page and then make my conflict of interest known in the author tab for that page, once I have published the Wiki page for review? Or is there some other way I should proceed with this matter?

I am aware that it is not idea for a Wiki page to be written by someone linked to the organisation that the Wiki page will be about. And I can say right now that the directors of the company in question (who are themselves experts in these fields of technology) will review the Wiki page before it is sent for publication. Nevertheless, this is a private company with global operations, and so there is no one better placed to write a Wiki page to describe the company and what it does.

Awaiting your guidance.

Thanks and kind regards, Cl2nt2n (should I use my real name here?) Cl2nt2n (talk) 08:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Cl2nt2n! No, you don't need to disclose your real name; it's undesirable for most people. You need to disclose your conflict at your userpage, which you can reach by clicking your username that's displayed in red. Instructions are at WP:UPE. It's basically a template that you need to fill up; its documentation can be reached by clicking it. Organisations have stricter notability requirements than most other topics. See WP:NORG. First make sure the topic is notable, then, disclose your COI, then create a draft. Wikipedia:Your first article has guidance as well as step-by-step instructions on creating a new draft. You also need to disclose your COI with regards to articles that already exist that you want to edit. You should propose edits on the article's talk page rather than editing them directly, using the edit request template, {{request edit}}. WP:ERW is a wizard that can help you make your first edit requests. After you learn the format, you can do it manually. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cl2nt2n: Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for being open about your situation. Beyond what Usedtobecool said, you and your client need to be aware that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. You may of course ask your client to approve your draft, but from Wikipedia's point of view their approval is completely irrelevant. And if uninvolved editors add some material which is critical of your client, then assuming such material is supported by reliable sources and is otherwise in accordance with Wikipedia's policies, you and your client will have no way of getting it removed. --ColinFine (talk) 11:18, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

In reply to your Question #2: The existing article Hydraulic fracturing has a Uses section with a subsection that addresses other than oilfield uses of fracturing. Although it skirts your paid/COI, it may be plausible for you to directly edit that section of the article. I would strongly suggest that if at all possible, find references other than your client's publications. David notMD (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Bruce Willis

Coincidental...or Not? Mosby'sMusings (talk) 15:38, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Mosby'sMusings, I'm afraid this is not the right forum for such things. Teahouse is about struggles in editing Wikipedia. Why not try Reddit? GeraldWL 15:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

In the 1995 film, "12 Monkeys" Willis' character said to Madeleine Stowe, "All I see is dead people." Four years later, Haley Joel Osment whispered to Bruce Willis, "I see dead people." Strange but true!

How might I cite a downloaded PDF?

I do apologize if this comes off as trivial, but I am wondering how I would cite a downloaded PDF. To provide some background information, I contacted the California Secretary of State for some old election data an they provided a 216 page PDF with every detail imaginable for me to download. Normally one could simply link to the document in their citation, but from a preliminary glance it seems the document is not available unless you specifically ask the state for it. I have only been editing for a week or so so I do not know the protocol for how one would approach this issue, as I would like an easily accessible sources to back up what I write. SunsetSon (talk) 19:46, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I am afraid but you cannot cite it because it has never been published anywhere. Ruslik_Zero 20:01, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

This is correct. If this information has never been published then it's unusable as a source. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 22:30, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

SunsetSon, why can't it be published online? If that could be done (on the government website) it could then be cited. Sungodtemple (talk) 22:41, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@SunsetSon:, if they responded to you once before, maybe they will again: try writing back, and ask if they are willing to add a download link to one of the pages on their website that would allow anyone viewing the page to download the pdf they sent you. If they do that, then you will be able to cite the pdf. Mathglot (talk) 22:48, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind, I was able to find an archive.org link of a PDF of photos of the relevant information. Thank you for the help. SunsetSon (talk) 22:51, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@SunsetSon: Just for reference, the information doesn't need to be available online as long as it has been published in someway and is reasonably accessible. So, that is indeed one issue that needs to be resolved. Another issue has to do with nature of the source itself since a bunch of data in a report is likely going to be considered a WP:PRIMARY source and may have little use. Any interpretations of the data would need to be made by WP:SECONDARY sources and it seems that adding a bunch of data to articles without any supporting interpretation might be a case of WP:NOTEVERYTHING or WP:NOTDATABASE. My suggestion to you might be to start a discussion about this at WP:RSN. Explain what the source is as best as you can and then explain how you want to use it as specifically as you can (e.g. in which articles). Perhaps by knowing the details, the editors who typically hang out at RSN will be able to give you some more specific advice. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:55, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on this type of thing but in principle you should be able to upload the .pdf to Commons. It seems to me that it is within scope (see Commons:Project scope) and, as the work of the US government, should be OK from a copyright point of view. You could ask about this at the Commons:Help desk, SunsetSon, and this would set a useful precedent if it is OK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:28, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Could you teach me how to deal with the situation on North-South divide in Taiwan? Thank you!

I have tried to protect Wikipedia:Purpose and followed steps in WP:RUCD except the last resort -- filing a report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (Special:Diff/1031172078, Special:Diff/1031173909, Special:Diff/1031174083). Does there still exist any method other than the last resort that can restore the possibility of having meaningful discussion in order to advance Wikipedia:Purpose? I sincerely hope that Wikipedians can engage with each other peacefully. Thanks alot. Taiwanese will not repress Taiwanese (talk) 05:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC) Taiwanese will not repress Taiwanese (talk) 05:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

When I see a statement followed by a dozen references, as in that article, I have a strong suspicion that something fishy is going on. That article needs work by unbiased, non-Taiwanese, editors. Maproom (talk) 09:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Do you know any other editor who is committed to improving North-South divide in Taiwan? Actually, I think I am not biased because I am open to free and open debate and strongly disapprove of any kind of silencing. As for nationality, meta:Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Policy_text#2_–_Expected_behaviour: In all Wikimedia projects, spaces and events, behaviour will be founded in respect, civility, collegiality, solidarity and good citizenship. This applies to all contributors and participants in their interaction with all contributors and participants, without expectations based on age, mental or physical disabilities, physical appearance, national, religious, ethnic and cultural background, caste, social class, language fluency, sexual orientation, gender identity, sex or career field. Nor will we make exceptions based on standing, skills or accomplishments in the Wikimedia projects or movement. Hence, nationality shouldn't be an issue here. Taiwanese will not repress Taiwanese (talk) 16:34, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Taiwanese will not repress Taiwanese! The editor you are in dispute with is sure that you are a sockpuppet created to evade block on your previous account. As such, they refuse to engage with you. You can either wait for the verdict on whether you are a sockpuppet, at which point, you will either be blocked, thus eliminating the need for you to worry about anything Wikipedia, or you will be exonerated, after which they won't have any excuse to not engage with you on the article's talk page, or you can post to WP:ANI which will again hasten the process of resolving whether you are a sockpuppet, with identical end results, except maybe if you are exonerated after posting to ANI, the other editor will be admonished for dismissing you. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:15, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Taiwanese will not repress Taiwanese (talk) 16:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Image

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Is this image acceptable to use on Wikipedia? Peter Ormond 💬 02:40, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: The license is appropriate. If you want to add it to an article, you could start a discussion on that article's talk page to get other editor's input. RudolfRed (talk) 03:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Or you could just be WP:BOLD and add it, expecting to react politely if anyone objects, as per WP:BRD Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Special pages

Why isn't the 'main page' listed as a special page?

Also, how do I raise an issue about a featured article? 79.134.37.73 (talk) 09:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

# Because it doesn't satisfy the definition at Help:Special page.

Then I suggest either the definition be expanded, or some other way be set up to let PEOPLE know that 'special' has a special meaning here at Wikipedia. In common parlance, the main page certainly qualifies as a special page. 79.134.37.73 (talk) 09:58, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

# On the article's talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

There are a number of specialized terms have meanings that might not exactly match the definition used in common parlance. This is hardly unusual, jargon exists in almost every field and endeavor and it would be surprising if it did not exist here. The link defines the term and the main page doesn't qualify so I don't see any need to modify the definition. In fact while the main page may be more heavily trafficked than other pages, in many respects it qualifies as an ordinary page.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:20, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Is it really a promotional content ?

Hi, recently I came across a government organised internship by Law Enforcement Agencies of India , which is being conducted for past 9 years on cyber security. But unfortunately the article has been deleted and the reason stated was promotional/advertising content. Can anyone please help me on that, as i don't find it a promotional/advertising stuff. Here is my talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rapturemania (talk) Rapturemania (talk) 06:06, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rapturemania: welcome to the Teahouse. Do you remember the page title or, failing that, the name of the internship? Without that, I cant attempt to find the deletion discusion or look at the deleted content. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Not an article, but perhaps Draft:Gurugram Police Cyber Security Summer Internship? - David Biddulph (talk) 07:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeh that's correct, it's Draft:Gurugram Police Cyber Security Summer Internship only. Would request if you can save this page as i am new here, I am struggling to learn protocols of wikipedia. Rapturemania (talk) 11:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Rapturemania, A number of new editors raise queries related to promotional/advertising that leaves the impression they think advertising is a limited concept, and only applies to pages that say something along the lines of "please buy our widgets". The concept is much broader, and covers material that is not neutral in tone and is biased in favor of the subject. This is not at all unusual in the Internet — the vast preponderance of all websites produced by an organization or company are attempting to put their best foot forward and could be viewed as promotional or advertising. There are a few counterexamples, but they are fairly rare. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:25, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

How do you request for protection?

This article is being vandalized by anonymous users and I forgot how to request for protection. StayingClean (talk) 23:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

StayingClean Please go to WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 23:27, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@StayingClean: My impression of visiting the history of that page is that any vandalism has resulted in blocks of specific IP addresses. At this moment, I don't see an unmanageable situation myself, and am surprised you haven't participated in the management of that page by reverting any bad faith edits yourself. I appreciate that it's a hot topic (no pun intended) but page protection is for pages where there aren't enough eyes to manage it, and it is suffering as a result - that doesn't seem to be the case here, I feel. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

After scrolling through the edits in the last 36 hours, I saw a lot of really obnoxious vandalism. Yes, it was mostly reverted promptly, but in my judgment, the amount was sufficient for semi-protection, which I have placed for 72 hours. Any administrator who disagrees can unprotect. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:45, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I, for one, won't disagree. Protecting the encyclopaedia from harm and disruption is a high priority. If I misjudged the situation, I'm perfectly happy to see the page protected from harm. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

How do edited the title of the published article "Lockheed YO-3"

 Ringingo (talk) 19:14, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ringingo: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. When you become autoconfirmed (make at least ten edits and stick around for four days), you'll be able to use a tool called Twinkle that will allow you to change the title of the article. Until then, what you can do is ask an autoconfirmed user to change it for you. I'm one. If you like, you can pop me a message about what you'd like to change it to and I'll do it for you. Helen (let’s talk) 19:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

To clarify, it is not necessary to use Twinkle in order to move articles or other pages. I do not use Twinkle because I prefer to edit manually, and I have moved many pages. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Publishing my first article in the main space

After I have been autoconfirmed, can I now publish an article on the main space? Lord Klukpui (talk) 19:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Not if you are referring to this draft Draft:Amma Frimpomaa Dwumah which has no sources and would be speedy deleted in main space. Articles about people need to pass the criteria at WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 20:05, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Until you are more experienced, the recommendation would be that you use the AFC process, see the guidance at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lord Klukpui: Being 'autoconfirmed' does not give you the right to publish an unsubstantiated statement into mainspace. That one-sentence draft fits that description perfectly, and would be immediately deleted. Fix the issue of no citations that demonstrate WP:NBIO; if you cannot do that, your efforts will be in vain. This is a serious encyclopaedia. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:50, 1 July 2021 (UTC). Thanks for the feedback @Nick Moyes. I will defitnitely make the changes to the draft.Lord Klukpui (talk) 01:20, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

How to add title on the page. I am a beginner. Plz help.

I dont know why my created page does not feature the title Dr. ShadBano Ahmad. I am new please help me. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shamz_oh/Sample_page This is the page link. Also it is not coming at internet Thanks Shamz oh Shamz oh (talk) 06:10, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Because you created it in your userspace. It would never be accepted in the state it is in anyways; we need to see evidence that she is notable per Wikipedia's definition. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Publish my information

I want to publish all my up-to-date data and activities on Wikiepedia. How do I proceed? Thank you. Paul Ghenter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul.ghenter (talk • contribs)

Paul.ghenter Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Do not post your contact information in this public forum, for your protection. Wikipedia is not a place to do what you are asking, this is not social media, but an encyclopedia. As an encyclopedia Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with signficant coverage have chosen on their own to say about topics that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. 331dot (talk) 08:07, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Does a Wikipedia page on an academic book meet the notability criterion?

I would like to write an article on a scholarly book whose subject is an explanation of the Rwandan genocide. The book is new but ground-breaking. Is this notable enough? Mwalimu-ubuntu (talk) 07:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Probably not as it may not have been noted as it is new. You need to have sources that say the book is notable.--Bduke (talk) 07:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

See WP:NBOOK. If you want WP to say a book is groundbreaking, you have to have independent WP:RS that says the book is groundbreaking. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Mwalimu-ubuntu, a little addition to what Gråbergs Gråa Sång writes: NB a blurb (comment on the cover of the book or similar), even by a respected expert, saying that a book is "ground-breaking", "pioneering", "courageous", "epochal", etc, can't be cited. Even otherwise respectable academics can be overgenerous in the comments they make on the work of their own ex-students and others when invited to make comments. Instead, look for reviews in scholarly journals and perhaps also in newspaper and magazines. -- Hoary (talk) 09:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

How to propose a site-wide change to Wikipedia?

I want to propose a site-wide UI change. How can I go about that?

How can I propose a site-wide change on Wikipedia? 207.172.131.14 (talk) 05:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

By writing it up persuasively at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab). -- Hoary (talk) 05:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

If you tell the proposal then we can give more precise advice. Maybe it has already been proposed. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

etiquette about comments on draft

I have been working on Draft:Bette Otto-Bliesner and I think the article is close to being ready for the main space. DGG placed a comment at the top of the page, and I have asked for clarification. Can I remove the comments(s) and otherwise ready the article for the mainspace? Or, do I need to wait until my question is answered? Or, should the comment remain when I move the article to the mainspace?

I know the steps needed to remove the comment. However, I am just not sure of the etiquette associated with comments placed at the top of a page rather than a discussion started at the talk page.

Thanks. DaffodilOcean (talk) 11:24, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@DaffodilOcean: Welcome to the Teahouse. The draft seems to be coming on pretty well but I'd leave the comment in place for now as it will help the experienced editor who will (hopefully) accept it into Main Space. You need to click on the "submit for review" link when you are ready to have it formally submitted. You can still work on it after that as it may take some time to be reviewed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

In looking at your article history, clear that early on you submitted drafts to AfC, but as time went by with a high success rate, you become comfortable in deciding when to convert a draft to an article. I don't see that you have had articles kicked back to draft, or AfD'd (with the exception of an award article). Still, given the comment, I suggest waiting on DGG. My own concern about the Otto-Bliesner draft is that the very large majority of the citations are to her journal articles. Are there refs that establish her notability, i.e., are ABOUT her? Meanwhile, kudos on focusing on creating articles about women scientists. David notMD (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

OK, I will wait on DGG to comment. As to the question of notability, this is a case of WP:SNG, in particular WP:PROF. From those guidelines I understand that she is "measured by her academic achievements" (to quote the top of the page on WP:PROF) which is why most of the citations are on her journal articles. There are articles about her research (i.e., citations 25, 30, 41, and 42) which are examples of cases where people have commented on her research. Furthermore, she meets criteria #3 of WP:PROF because she is a fellow of two scholarly societies (the American Geophysical Union and the American Meteorological Society). Both of these are cited in the article in the awards section.

I should note that I had the 'draft article' at the top because I find the links to books/news/newspapers/and so on useful. You are right that I have felt comfortable moving articles into the mainspace when I feel they are ready. Honestly, I do not have a good handle on whether it is best to use userspace drafts or drafts in a sandbox or drafts in draft space. I have tried reading various pages on Wikipedia about this, and I get more confused. DaffodilOcean (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DaffodilOcean. First of all, the Articles for Creation process is entirely optional. You are also free to use either draft space or your personal sandbox space to develop new articles as you see fit. One limitation of draft space is that drafts can be deleted if you put a project on the back burner for over six months. Personally, I develop articles in sandbox space and have for twelve years, but that's just my own preference. I think that Otto-Bliesner meets WP:NPROF and as far as I am concerned, you should move it to main space when you think it is ready. As for DGG's comment, you have replied in detail and if he has nothing further to say about it, I would not let that slow the process. Remove the discussion immediately before moving the draft to main space. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

DGG obviously went into it from the perspective of an AFC reviewer. Reviews and comments by reviewers should be left alone while you are in the AFC process. But if you never intended to use the AFC process, you do not need to wait on DGG. You can just remove the comment and move it to mainspace. If DGG disagrees, he'll come back later to nominate it for deletion. For courtesy, you can leave DGG a message about his comment and your reply to it at his talk page, before removing the comment from the draft. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

OK - thanks for everyone's comments. I appreciate the insight into the etiquette about comments, drafting, and AfC. Cheers. DaffodilOcean (talk) 19:14, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

AfC is a difficult , cumbersome, and greatly overloaded process, and it is only manageable at all because there's a standardized procedure. Therefore, I personally, I get somewhat annoyed when people move their own drafts to mainspace. There are a number of tracking categories, and to get them right, it's necessary to follow the old manual process as described the afc page, which is a thorough nuisance. It's very difficult keeping up with the new drafts and those that need review or deletion , or rescuing from deletion; I and the other people who work at afc all have our own established routines, and going out of the usual process tends to get things confused.

Because of the immense backlog, there's a long delay -- sometimes months-- before reviewing. To partially deal with it, I and a few other of the reviewers make a special effort to give reviews or at least comments within a few days of creation to some drafts in our field which either are clearly very notable, or which seem quite important, but have correctable problems. I've done so with this draft, and I made a preliminary comment, not a full review. I did not decline to accept the paper, I merely commented ; DaffodilOcean replied, and I was considering her response. I need a little time to get to things, and then a little time to think about them. Coming here only 2 days after my comment without waiting for a further response from me was not helpful. I consider it in the nature of a request for special treatment, and like most reviewers who are trying desperately to keep up with the work here, I do not like this, for it is adding a more personal pressure to the pressure we already feel, and it is unfair to the majority of contributors, who wait their turn.

The notability standard for WP:PROF is normally satisfied by someone's research being influential, and the normal way of showing it is by the extent of citations to their work, as measured by Google Scholar or Scopus or WebofScience. The provisions of WP:GNG does not apply, though it remains as an alternate. There is no need for substantial 3rd party reliable published sources--the papers are confirmed by their publication in a third party source, and the citations similarly. Any reliable source, usually a university web page, is enough for the miscellaneous facts of the career, tho it is much better is secific major accomplishments do have specific 3rd party documentation. .

In her case there's a special problem, which is that her highest citation papers are citation to a famous climate report, for which there are hundreds of authors. However, there are a number of other highly cited articles, although almost all are to multi-author papers, as is appropriate in their areas. The contributor pointed out that the subject is a fellow of the American Geophysical Union, which might meet the provision in WP:PROF for notability of fellows of some particularly distinguished societies; possibly the AGU should be one of them, but I do not recall having dealt with that particular question before. I do not like to make snap judgments when unsure, and I was checking a number of other bios of other fellows and seeing how we handled them. I've done that, and I think it should be enough. (I'm less certain about fellow of the American Meteorological Society).

So I was going to accept the article. But I see now that the contributor moved it themselves, and I had postponed several other important projects to work on this over several days.

In any case I have two requests of the contributor, who is writing a number of such papers. First, always list the 4 or 5 most cited papers with the number of citations. Second, do not make references to all of the subjects papers to document their work--this the role of a CV, and we do not publish CVs--select the most important. But I do agree that there's no need for the contributor to use AfC--almost all of her work seems quite acceptable, doing what WPedians working on women scientists ought to do, working from the top, not just a list of names of varying importance. My next step is to recheck any of her drafts that were not accepted, to see if they should be. DGG ( talk ) 04:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

DGG I shall keep these comments in mind. One comment though - be cautious about assuming gender as you have done in the final paragraph. DaffodilOcean (talk) 05:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I would like to make it clear that I think that DGG is an excellent editor and AFC reviewer. I am sure that he agrees that AFC is is an optional process that no autoconfirmed editor is obligated to go through. Sometimes, it seems like AFC reviewers think that anybody who accidentally or without full understanding clicks the "review" button has given up the right to move the draft to main space on their own. I do not share this perspective. AFC is entirely optional which to me means that any autoconfirmed editor can choose the main space path if they so choose. Their new articles may be reviewed by new pages patrollers and nominated for deletion. So be it. Each autoconfirmed editor can freely choose their own gauntlet, and any advice offered by experienced editors is just that . . . friendly advice. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

When Cullen328 said this ('...it seems like AFC reviewers think that anybody who accidentally or without full understanding clicks the "review" button has given up the right to move the draft to main space on their own'), I have a related question. I have three draft articles that I submitted for review before I was able to move things to the mainspace on my own. I do not have a COI that would require me to use AfC. Can I move them to the mainspace myself? Or, would that cause even more problems at AfC? --DaffodilOcean (talk) 10:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

agreed. In general I think it better for autoconfirmed editors to use mainspace (unless they have a coi that requires them to use AfC.) It avoid clogging up the alfready overloaded AfC system;

AfC is busy enough. And in my field of academic bios, I try to at lease look at any incoming new article , especially from an editor I don't recognize as having proven experience. Not every NPP checks reviewed articles, but I try to do so at least selectively I miss some, but the workgroups in this field do a pretty good job of catching them in the sciences/ This is less likely in the humanities, and I'lll generally concentrate on them. But I still feel that once one decides to use AfC, one should use the regular procedure. For one thing, it avoid suspicion--about 1/3 of the ones that move themselves to main space are high quality articles, like here, but 2/3 are promotion and paid editing, so it always attracts skeptical attention/ And FWIW, this is true also of people who insist on a quick review--some are just pushing a little, but some are undeclared paid editors who want their money. I think things would be much helped if we doubled the level to reach autopatrolled, but that;s a discussion for elsewhere. DGG ( talk ) 06:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I now have a related question. Did I put the article on Otto-Bliesner into the AfC process simply by using the {{draft article}} at the top of the draft? I never intended to submit the article to AfC, but I like the set of tools that {{draft article}} puts at the top of the page. Is there a different template that has a list of sources but does not put the article into the queue for AfC? DaffodilOcean (talk) 10:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Check a draft

"Tehran International Short Film Festival Awards" is the most important and largest short film festival in Iran in all years. please correct this Draft so that this event also has an English page . --Bizdik3 (talk) 09:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Bizdik3, in order to be notable, Tehran International Short Film Festival Awards doesn't (don't) have to be the most important and largest short film festival in Iran. But if it is (if they are), then this could be pointed out in the draft. The way to do this is not simply to assert it. Instead, you have to persuade the reader of it, by citing reliable, independent, published sources that say it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Is the coverage used on my article sufficient?

Hello, I've created an article (Draft: YesWeHack) a few months ago, and its submission has been declined recently, because there was a lack of significant coverage, apparently. I've rewritten the article to try to improve it and added new references. Could someone have a look and give me an opinion? Unfortunately, as the company I'm writing about is French, most of the significant coverage on it (full articles) is written in French - should I add some? Or the references should only be in English? Thanks for your answer. Mathbsnd (talk) 11:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Mathbsnd, it wasn't more references your draft needed, it was better references. Which four references (English or French) do you think do most to establish the subject as notable?   Maproom (talk) 12:27, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Guide to new user

I am new to wiki so i need help can anyone pls guide to edit articles and cite them as i am new i don't know much about wiki so i will also require some basic knowledge so if anyone can help me i would be very grateful

i am User:Stobene45

thankyou Stobene45 (talk) 12:06, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, all users I am User:Stobene45/Stobene45 and I am a new user of Wikipedia so I require someone's help to proceed with editing the article so if I could receive some help I would be very grateful. And pls forgive me if my format is wrong.Thank you! Stobene45 (talk) 12:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC) Stobene45 (talk) 12:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Welcome, Stobene45! You might like to try "The Wikipedia Adventure". Also, please read and think about the little message that I posted on your own user talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Search Wikipedia Question

None of the subjects I ever search for in wikipedia are ever listed in the search wikipedia window regardless of how many searches I do. However there is a list of search items that comes up but they are items I have searched for outside of wikipedia. Where can I delete this phantom list and why doesnt wikipedia remember my last search? Ive wanted to know this for years. Jeedawg (talk) 16:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

It's not a phantom but a list stored in your browser, so nothing to do with Wikipedia. You should be able to remove individual items by hovering over them and clicking on the "trash" icon which should appear. However, others are likely to come back later. As to the second part of your question, yes I think it would be a good idea in principle but I suspect is that it isn't done because many people access this website without logging on to an account, so lots of space would be taken saving IP addresses + search terms that could change. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't know if this will help, but the Wikipedia Android app does remember your recent searches. Just touch "Search Wikipedia" and you will see a list of your search terms, going back a long way, with the most recent ones first. There is also a "trash" icon which will clear the list. Mike Marchmont (talk) 12:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Jeedawg, may depend on your browser. Firefox in its search history also includes Wikipedia searches and they stay forever if that's what you want. If you are wanting to search subject text rather than subject title then need to format the search differently. Neils51 (talk) 13:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Visual Editor Gone.

My Editor has gone out of Visual Editor Mode. How can I fix this problem? Thank You. DGAAustin (talk) 11:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@DGAAustin: Please check your preferences, under "editing", that "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" is not checked, and that "editing mode" is set to "Show me both editor tabs". After that, you should find two edit buttons on a page, one for the visual editor and one for the source editor. You will also be able to switch between editors by clicking on the pencil icon on the right in the respective toolbar. The visual Editor is not enabled in all namespaces, for example, in the Wikipedia: namespace it isn't enabled. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

How to retrieve sandbox data

 Alok.fiji (talk) 13:13, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Alok.fiji: Welcome to the Teahouse. Unless the sandbox page is deleted or revisions have been deleted (usually as a result of copyright violation), you should be able to retrieve your wanted revisions in the article's history. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:13, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Improvements made

Hi, thank you all for the responses! I wanted to write here in the tea-house just to better understand and learn how to be helpful in creating articles on topics I know about. I understand very well what you were explaining to me, also about the reliability of a source and the quality of it, that you are not interested in your own impressions but an objective point on the matter. Where possibly the main topic of the article cited in that source is discussed and not just mentioned.

I put a lot of effort into editing the first draft today after your responses:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Desiderio_Sanzi

Trying to make it as compliant as possible to your standards. It's not a matter of knowledge or collaboration: the sources I cited, are super good and quality, like the ones I found and used in that article currently.

There are no interviews where the author is "self-referential" but they are all outside people writing something about the artist in question.

I mentioned: americasquarterly, GRANMA.CU, ilgiornale.it, comune.terni.it, ansa.it, espoarte.net

I believe that most of the references are institutional sites so they are really of quality, like granma.cu

I'm waiting for more information to understand if I did something wrong and how I can improve the article to make it a real page and not a draft.

Best regards! Nscent (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

It was declined for no references. You have added refs, but the majority of the content is still without references. I recommend deleting the entire Awards, festivals section, as it appears he was winner of only one of the listed items, and this is not referenced, nor a notable award. David notMD (talk) 14:55, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have an overall editor in chief?

I’ve tried to edit entries relating to family members, only for someone to remove my corrections! Where do I go to request they’re reinstated, please? Phili64 (talk) 05:49, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Phili64 Welcome to Teahouse, everyone is allowed to edit on Wikipedia as long as they follow the guidelines and policies. I believe you're referring to this this edit, as mentioned by the Sumanuil whom reverted your edit via the edit summary. You changed the image name as well, which means the image would not be displayed because the file name is incorrect which is highly likely why your edit was reverted. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:55, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

There is no "Editor in Chief" here, though the Wikimedia Foundation reserves the ability to intervene in certain, very rare cases, being reverted is not upon them. I would say, you could start by talking to Sumanuil about this. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Phili64: Welcome to the Teahouse. There is no editor-in-chief on Wikipedia, as it is a volunteer effort. Directly editing articles of family members is frowned upon, as you would have a conflict of interest. The best thing to do would be to create edit requests on the articles' talk pages. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Phili64: since you have a conflict of interest, the thing to do is ask for changes to the article at the article's talk page. I see you have been trying to change the spelling of one ancestor's name from Peter Paul Dobree to Peter Paul Dobrée. I left a few links on the talk page that show both spellings have been used for about the last two centuries. Discussing the proposed changes on the article talk page will leave a record of the name issue for future readers. --- Possibly ☎ 07:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Being a volunteer organization in no way precludes having an overall editor in chief. Kdammers (talk) 15:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Why some Wikipedia articles is outdated even the most recent in some Wikipedia articles.

 Centrosaurus (talk) 16:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Centrosaurus: Welcome to Wikipedia. All articles are maintained by volunteer editors who work on whatever interests them. If you see something that needs improvement, you can start a discussion on that article's talk page or you can be WP:BOLD and fix it. RudolfRed (talk) 16:28, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

How do I add another discussion on my talk page?

The button "add discussion" on my talk page won't work.What should I do? Sparklestern (talk) 16:41, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sparklestern: Edit the bottom section, start new discussion with a level two header - == Title == . Mjroots (talk) 16:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

How do I download visualeditor…?

I really need help understanding how to activate Visualeditor… Sparklestern (talk) 16:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sparklestern To enable VisualEditor, go to Special:Preferences > go to Editing > uncheck "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" if it's checked > go to Beta > tick "New Wikitext mode" > click Save at the bottom. Afterwards, hold Ctrl + Shift + R to purge the cache. Then go to the user page, click Edit > click the pencil icon at the top right corner of editor toolbar (beside the publish changes) > click the eye icon > it should automatically switch to the visual editor. Alternative, you can check out Help:VisualEditor for further information. FYI – This is how I enable the feature, not sure if it varies for other editor but it is worth giving a try. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sparklestern: Welcome to the Teahouse. The visual editor can be enabled by unchecking Preferences → Editing → Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta. Just be aware that it doesn't work in some namespaces, like Talk: or Wikipedia:. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Archive web

Is there any easiest way to add archived web into a citation? Is there any gadget for that in our preferences? Please let me know if there is a simpler way to do it. Thank you. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 11:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ken Tony: you need to add |archiveurl= |archivedate= into the {{cite web}} that is being used. Mjroots (talk) 16:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

No Mjroots. I'm was not asking about how to add archived web to a citation one by one. I was asking if there is a way we can add archive web and date to all citations in just one click. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 16:58, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Don't think there is a way to do that. Mjroots (talk) 17:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ken Tony: If you would like to add Web Archive links to all citations, you might be looking for the IABot tool. From any page, click on "View history", then click on "Fix dead links" — this will bring you to the IABot management interface. Select the "Add archives to all non-dead references (Optional)" checkbox and then click "Analyze". DanCherek (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you DanCherek. This would be so helpful. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 17:25, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Fair Use Photo for Notable Person

Hi there, I'm a new editor. Please be gentle. I'm editing Indiana articles and also searching for fair use photos for a draft of a notable individual from our state. I do not own personal photos of them, but photos have been taken of them by major news outlets. What's currently best method to use photos for a draft if we as editors do not own the copyright or have license for said pics? I uploaded a news outlet photo with photo credit but that did not work. I've searched the Teahouse for 2021 methods but no luck yet. Any help appreciated. Thanks. Member of WikiProject Indiana, article Draft:Dana Trent Ukd2wixdp6ccmx56 (talk) 20:04, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

If the individual is still alive, the answer is a resounding "no". And as regards drafts, the answer is also "no" because images are irrelevant during the drafting phase and nine times out of ten are far more trouble than they're worth. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

--Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukd2wixdp6ccmx56 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

AfD problems

I would like to know if I suggest an article for deletion ({{subst:afd1}}), why does it carry on being deleted? Have I done something wrong? How do I add text to explain it?Disturb995 (talk) 18:58, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Disturb995: It looks like you nominated an article for deletion twice, and the nomination was reverted. There are some related comments on your talk page. You can also discuss with the reverting editors. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

(e/c) Disturb995. To propose an article for deletion, please carefully follow the procedure laid down at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Disturb995, I'm not sure I understand your question.

I presume this is related to Murder of Louise Smith.

Someone, not logged in, nominated it for deletion. Was that you? That nomination was not formed correctly so it was removed.

Then while logged in you try to nominated for deletion but it appears you did not fill out the form correctly so an experienced editor removed it. You tried again, and failed to do it successfully so it was removed again.

As a brand-new editor with virtually no experience is puzzling to see you propose an article for deletion is normally done by more experienced editors. What is your rationale? S Philbrick(Talk) 19:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe it doesn't matter but I just thought it doesn't need an article. Yes that logged out person was me. I had an account a few months ago but I can't get back into it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disturb995 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Disturb995: Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your efforts to improve the encyclopedia. With regard to the article in question, nominating an article for deletion via WP:AFD is a multi-step process, and merely tagging the article is but step one. As noted above, the steps are laid out in full at WP:AFDHOWTO. Further, there are experienced editors who are perfectly happy to assist with the process (Anonymous IPs can initiate these discussions, but it requires the assistance of someone editing under a confirmed account to create the actual discussion page. As before, this is in the instructions. I have assisted anonymous editors in this way quite a number of times). But what I had been looking for here in following these efforts was a rationale based on Wikipedia policy justifying the deletion. "I just thought it doesn't need an article" is not really a sufficient justification. I would suggest reading up on policies and following other AfD discussions (listed on daily log pages like this one as a semi-random example) before deciding whether to continue to pursue the matter. Thanks again, and feel free to keep asking questions. --Finngall ^talk 18:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Subpages on WP

Hello Teahouse! How many subpages (User) can i create on WP. Are there any restrictions for creating subpages.  Siddartha897 (talk) 18:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Siddartha897: Wikipedia:User pages documents a lot of guidelines regarding pages in your userspace. I don't think there's a hard limit on how many subpages you may have. However, I advise you to keep your userspace mostly Wikipedia-related; other forms of social media are better suited for expressing yourself. Do not use Wikipedia as a web host. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:27, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Help with posting

I don’t understand how to use this system but I do have a very important topic that I would like to document it’s all about saving lives in the water and reducing death by drowning working with dogs very proud of the work we do at my nonprofit and would like to get us featured on Wikipedia just don’t know how to do it Mariagray123 (talk) 17:06, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Mariagray123: It seems like you want to write an article about your organization. Unfortunately, writing about something that you have a close connection with is considered conflict of interest editing and is strongly discouraged because it's unlikely that you can stay in a neutral point of view. Wikipedia is not a means of promotion, and if an article is created, you cannot own the article content. That means that other editors may come and add information that you may not find appealing, but if they are within Wikipedia's guidelines, there is very little that you can do about it. If you would like to promote your organization, there are other means of social media to try. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:21, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mariagray123. While I agree with all that Ganbaruby says, there is another consideration: apart from your organisation, you clearly think that the activity that your organisation does is so important that information should be spread about it. I'm afraid that that is explicitly not what Wikipedia is for, however laudable the purpose: see NOTADVOCACY. If the world has already taken note of the subject - i.e. there are enough independent reliable sources that discuss it to ground an article on the subject, then Wikipedia could have an article summarising what those sources say; but if (for example) all the available sources originate from your organisation and its staff, then the subject will not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article will be accepted. --ColinFine (talk) 18:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

When we should add reliable sources to Wikipedia...

These citations are reliable sources are referencing to their entries above, and we should read to WP:CITE. It is known to believe to remain a reliable source on Wikipedia. (Note: Biographies of living persons are making to just need using citing sources (references) to any entry, instead of people or family of course of this.) --Diegopeter2013 (talk) 18:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Diegopeter2013, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, but while the header makes sense to me, the rest of your posting is completely incomprehensible. To answer the question in the header: Wikipedia's policies say that you should include reliable sources whenever a claim has been challenged or is likely to be; but in practice, most reviewers will insist that everything in an article is cited, especially in a BLP. My personal answer is that in an ideal world nobody should ever add a reliable source because nothing should ever ever ever be inserted into a Wikipedia article without citing a reliable source from the beginning. But we don't live in an ideal world ;-) . --ColinFine (talk) 19:05, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your complement. And I am just still reading about reliable sources with citations, but for now anyway. --Diegopeter2013 (talk) 19:25, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

need help updating a page

Hello !! Can someone assist in updating a page for High School Football National Championships? I was able to add a Selector and even updated some teams that were already listed. My problem is, I do not know code, and have attempted to "copy" some examples but the preview did not look good.

If someone can help, I can provide specific details that I'm trying to add.

Thanks !! The Real Misterfootball (talk) 16:22, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@The Real Misterfootball:  Courtesy link: High School Football National Championship Try posting this on the talk page, where others familiar with the table syntax AND the subject matter can help you.. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

When we should do a sandbox after creating a draft article?

If there are many draft articles for using a sandbox, and to experiment, how could I know if we can follow the Article wizard or Sandbox? --Diegopeter2013 (talk) 14:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Diegopeter2013: The article wizard suggests you practice using your sandbox before trying to create an article using the wizard. Be prepared that successfully creating an article is one of the hardest things to do here. Even editors who have written over 100 articles over the past ten years still have to defend their contributions from time to time. Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia page for jail/ prison

Hello, As per my knowledge jail or prison of a place may have a wikipedia page as a village or a populated place. Please guide.I love to be honest (talk) 13:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@HariSinghw are you trying to ask whether you can create an article on a prison? I'm slightly confused. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:05, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@HariSinghw. Please see the many messages and links on your talk page about your attempts to create articles about Indian prisons.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I am trying to tell here that the pages on jail or prison deserve wikipedia pages. I love to be honest (talk) 13:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Please read the information users are providing in multiple places including WP:ANI, your talk page and the deletion discussions. Reviewing Speedy Keep criteria would also be helpful along with WP:ORG. Star Mississippi 13:41, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Per what I wrote at "ANI Notice" on your Talk page, you have a practice of creating very short, under-referenced articles that are then almost all subjected to AfD or Speedy deletion. This includes your attempts to create articles about jails and prisons that do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. My own opinion is that villages quality by Wikipedia norms, jails and prisons, not. David notMD (talk) 14:49, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

David notMD unfortunately he took your advice and made a long article, which wasn't any more suitable for the encyclopedia than the short ones. I agree though that villages (may?) meet WP:GEOLAND whereas jails would need to meet WP:ORG, subject to the usual GNG out, of course. Star Mississippi 15:14, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Jails and prisons in other countries may have reliable source references. Does not appear to be true for many (all?) of the articles about same in India, now at AfD. David notMD (talk) 22:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Need Help

Hello everyone! i am a new Wikipedia user Stobene45 and I need help in understanding the basics of Wikipedia edits like the difference between visual edit and source edit etc. I would appreciate any kind of help or references. Thank you!Stobene45 (talk) 14:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC) Stobene45 (talk) 14:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Asked and answered above when you asked for help just a few hours ago. David notMD (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Stobene45, the difference between using the "visual editor" and editing the "source" is that the former insulates you from the markup code used by MediaWiki. People who'd read that and think, "Eww, code!" are perhaps better off using the visual editor; less timid people are definitely better off editing the "source". You appear to be editing the "source". I suggest that you continue to do so. Just click on "Show preview" and see that everything looks OK before you click on "Publish changes". -- Hoary (talk) 23:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Daphna Kastner

I am curious how a page like Daphna Kastner remains with no references or notability? Unfortunately, those who are new to editing Wiki see this and get confused how they are declined... 2600:6C60:5300:F4BF:3991:9460:333B:2682 (talk) 23:33, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I have marked the article with a maintenance template for attention. Thanks for pointing it out. As there are six million plus articles here, it is possible to get problematic content by us. We can only address what we know about, and need help identifying such articles. 331dot (talk) 23:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

That article has been virtually unchanged in 13 years. It survives because she's directed and starred in a few barely notable films (they barely have articles themselves), thus barely meeting WP:NACTOR. Hopefully the tagging and this newfound attention will get it improved. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Added a ref (copied from the Harvey Keitel article). The article about Daphna gets ~ 250 views a day, probably because of to whom she is married, as HK gets >3,000 views/day. David notMD (talk) 00:28, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Need some help to clean this up

Hi everyone, I'm drafting a page about an Indonesian gaming company that has had some news coverage, as I believe it is notable enough (due to its large userbase, and being Indonesia's first gaming company to go international). It was declined with feedback about the Controversy section reading as a one off event, and not enough secondary sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fantech

Could anyone please provide some tips on how to improve the article? I was thinking about removing the controversy section and making it part of the company history, however it was controversy done by a popular streamer which made headlines, towards the company brand, rather than from the company itself.

Thanks! LythPython (talk) 02:16, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I'd start by removing , with AMPLFY officially stating on their Facebook page, "After careful review of the video uploaded last December 30, 2020 regarding Mika Daime, management has decided to terminate her AMPLFY partnership. We understand that gamers have the tendency to be expressive with their comments when the game gets competitive, but we also need to know where to draw the line. Let this be a lesson to us all that we should help spread positivity instead of negativity in the gaming community, as it's just polite corporate waffle. Her sponsorship was ended: that's all the reader needs to know. Also, ignore corporate capitalization: for example, when you read about "TOP BRAND FOR TEENS INDEX", render this as "Top Brand for Teens index". And cut promotional wording: for example, you now have The grand opening event was attended by notable local esports athletes such as Nessa Miko, Seirra Chan and Annabela (my emphases), but I don't suppose any minor opening on any other day would have been an "event", so you can cut "grand"; and whether these people are notable is something that readers can decide for themselves (unless perhaps you provide reliable, independent, published sources for their notability). -- Hoary (talk) 05:41, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Appreciated! I'll do exactly that! I was just trying to make note of everything that occured, but now I understand that over-specific information, doesn't actually add the benefit, as it can be explained using much simpler terms without any corporate fluff. Thanks! LythPython (talk)

@LythPython: The lists of redlinked founders and other key people lead me to wonder if you have any conflict of interest. If you do, please disclose it on your user page, preferably by adding {{UserboxCOI|Draft:Fantech}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi! I just went to their About Us page and copied what they're key people are, whom are also mentioned in the sources. I'll remove the redlinking, wasn't sure if it was good to leave them red as to inspire others to write about them. Thanks for the heads up! LythPython (talk) 01:50, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Question on Notability

I am currently interning for a professor at my university. She has asked that I put together a Wikipedia page for her if at all possible. The professor has a number of publications and has been involved with multiple different universities and organizations, as well as received several awards for her writings. I plan to mention all of these things in the article, but I'm worried it may not be enough to be considered "notable" by the website's standards. I might just put up a preliminary article to see if it gets taken down before I invest too much time. Does anyone have any experience with writing articles for local professors? And by extension, any tips? Thanks! Waffleyacht (talk) 16:20, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Waffleyacht: the inclusion criteria you would be looking at is WP:NPROF, if if cannot be proven they meet any of the criteria then it will be difficult to get an acceptable article. I would recommend the WP:AFC process for any article you do work on. Do be warned that it is highly discouraged that anyone with a conflict of interest such as you from editing or creating articles about subject which they have conflict. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 16:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Waffleyacht, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid it sounds as if your professor has a (very common) misapprehension that a Wikipedia article is in any way for the benefit of its subject. Often it is, of course, but this is no part of the purpose of Wikipedia. If an article is written about her (presuming that she meets NPROF, as Mcmatter says), then the article will not belong to her, will not be under her control, and may not contain what she would like it to. See WP:PROUD. --ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

And a little more recommended reading, Waffleyacht: WP:YOURSELF. -- Hoary (talk) 02:00, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Does this draft have a problem?

Does this draft have a problem? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Univision_Now ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes. For one thing, the prose is impenetrable. Designed as a standalone offering that does not require an existing pay television subscription in order to access, the service is initially available via a dedicated website [...]. Does that perhaps just mean Accessing the service does not require payment; it is initially available via its own website [...].? -- Hoary (talk) 02:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Help with Draft:Lord of Little Stambridge Hall

Hi there! Im looking for any advise and or help with regards to improving the chances of my article being published. any help and or advise would be much appreciated.

article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lord_of_Little_Stambridge_Hall FredBensen (talk) 13:15, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

FredBensen, Zindor already wrote: Non-notability of topic explained at length to creator. Fred stop trying to submit this, it's pure synthesis and the topic isn't notable. That seems very clear. If a subject (or non-subject) isn't notable, the best advice is: stop. -- Hoary (talk) 13:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, I understand this but the fact multiple other people have aided me in the spelling and arrangement sense, it would leave me to believe other people would disagree with what Zindor has said otherwise they wouldn't have wasted there time.

I am unable to get on board with this part of wikipedia where one individuals belief of the notability of the subject could halt the creation of a much needed page. may i draw your attention to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudal_barony_of_Launceston which is similar to the page i have created but yet it warrants its own article? Many Thanks, FredBensen (talk)

This has nothing to do with one individual's belief – the draft has been declined multiple times by different reviewers, and rejected twice (after it had been rejected the first time, you asked for the draft to be deleted, only to create it again a couple of days later). The article title was protected against creation last autumn, and that is something that only happens when an article is created repeatedly to the point of disruption. There were also several people who tried to explain to you back in February that this topic is not appropriate for an encyclopedia, and nothing has changed since then. Editors making minor or automated fixes to a draft doesn't actually mean that they endorse the topic. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:54, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

bonadea, As i explained on your talk page I asked the creator of the old draft EvWills (i think) to delete the draft as he didn't seem to contribute as much as he did and had expressed to me that he was no longer fussed about an article after which i recreated it. I would be greatfull if you could explain to me why, exactly its not notable. FredBensen (talk)

@FredBensen: Just because editors kindly help fix errors in a draft doesn't necessarily mean that they have invested the necessary time to determine whether the draft demonstrates notability. GoingBatty (talk) 16:57, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi FredBensen. It makes no difference how beautifully written or formatted a draft might be if it's unable to meet the most basic guidelines of Wikipedia notability as explained here. This for reference, there are WP:ALTERNATIVEs to Wikipedia which have less restrictive policies and guidelines where you'll probably be able to be find a home for something such as this. You might find that one of these alternatives even will allow you to have more control over content than Wikipedia because you might be able to place restrictions on who can edited whatever page you create. FWIW, I don't know much about this subject matter and I can't say whether Feudal barony of Launceston should've been created, but I do know that Wikipedia has over six million articles, and this includes quite a number that shouldn't have been created in the first place. It can sometimes take awhile (even years) for these articles to be found, but the fact that such articles exist isn't really a justification that other similar articles should also be created. If you've got some genuine concerns about the Launceston article, then maybe you should seek input at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall to see what some members of that WikiProject might think. If they share your concerns, then perhaps the article will end up nominated for deletion. If they just really think that the article is in need of improvement, then perhaps that's what they will do. You might want to try Wikipedia:WikiProject East Anglia to see if you can find someone familiar with the subject you're trying to create an article about who can perhaps offer some advice on the that particular subject. At some point though, you may just have to let the draft go if your unable to establish a consensus that it has some kind of chance of someday being upgraded to article status. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:25, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly, my myopia may be more serious than I realize, but I see no reason why Feudal barony of Launceston should exist. If there were more hours in my day, I'd do something about this. FredBensen, please see the explanation that may be concisely and amicably referred to as WP:OTHERCRAP. -- Hoary (talk) 02:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly many thanks for your reply, i shall go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall as well as Wikipedia:WikiProject East Anglia I greatly appreciate a more human response on Wikipedia.

@FredBensen: I don't think my response was any more or less human than the ones you've received from other editors, and I don't think it was really appropriate for you to imply as much. I get that you're probably feeling a bit frustrated, but everyone who has commented about the draft you're working on so far seems to be quite WP:HERE and trying to advise you in good faith. You might not agree with their assessment of things, but that doesn't mean they're acting out of spite or have some personal agenda. There are lots of things that people around the world wish they could add to Wikipedia, but that's one of the reason why there's Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. I don't know enough about the subject matter to say that you can't try and create an article about this, but at some point a draft is going to be expected to have a realistic chance of someday becoming an article. If the community at large feels that there's no such chance, then maybe it's time to move on to something else. There are, after all, lots of ways to try and WP:CONTRIBUTE positively to Wikipedia other than trying to create an article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, when looking at WP:OTHERCRAP I see there are obvious flaws with Wikipedias set up that will hinder its aim, and by continueing to edit and append my Draft, i see noone thats it affects. so with Constant bombardment from some Users for a personal gripe it quickly becomes idiotic. eg the comment left on the Draft by Zindor which immediately places an impression on anyone before taking in what else has been written. many Thanks FredBensen (talk)

FredBensen, I find this hard to understand. However, you do seem to be sure that some users -- Zindor, me, others? -- are acting from personal gripes. You are imagining these gripes. -- Hoary (talk) 08:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Why am I blocked from being a host at the teahouse?

Have I done something wrong? Do I need to apologize to Wikipedia? Do I need to publish more edits? And(sadly)I still can't add a discussion to my talk page.How do I send a feedback?How do I know if I've done something wrong,and what should I do about my talk page?

                        (  Also,does playmedia on Wikipedia work on Amazon Kindle …?) Sparklestern (talk) 20:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sparklestern: Welcome to the Teahouse!

1. Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host start lists the requirements for being a host, which include around 500 mainspace edits to articles. Looking at your contributions, it appears you haven't edited any articles yet.
2. You can send feedback here at the Teahouse or an appropriate talk page, but it's not common to add a new discussion to your own talk page. Could you please provide more info?
3. I don't know what "playmedia on Wikipedia" is, and it's been a long time since I've used Wikipedia on a Kindle. Could you please provide an example? GoingBatty (talk) 21:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sparklestern: I see several different discussion sections on your talk page. If you're logged in, simply click on the New section tab at top. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sparklestern: if by "playmedia on Wikipedia" you mean the short audio clips that are found in some articles, yes they can be played on a Kindle. The Franklin D. Roosevelt article has a 45 second sample of the "Nothing to Fear" speech in the First and second terms (1933-1941) section. Using my Kindle I tapped on the little triangular shaped play button in the audio "rectangle" and the speech clip began. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Copyright issue prevention

Madam/Sir, I want to add some photos to Wikipedia article- 2021 ICC World Test Championship Final. Those photos include New Zealand cricket team lifting the ICC World Test Championship Mace. These photos are available on various internet sites. So, how can I add those photos to Wikipedia without violating the copyright law? RIDHVAN SHARMA (talk) 04:15, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Have you read WP:NFCC? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 04:26, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, now I have read it. Thank You @Jéské Couriano: RIDHVAN SHARMA (talk) 04:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Cheese in Bangladesh

 Saadullah Tutu (talk) 04:53, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

What about it, Saadullah Tutu? -- Hoary (talk) 05:26, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle?

What is twinkle? Who can use it? Is it used to edit automatically. Siddartha897 (talk) 05:28, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

It's a semi-automated tool used by autoconfirmed users to perform certain actions more quickly. See Wikipedia:Twinkle. Kleinpecan (talk) 05:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Review of my Article: Haniya Nafisa

Hi there!!!

My Draft Haniya Nafisa was reviewed Yesterday (In my Timezone) and it was said that it lacks notability. But I think there are enough resources for it and it passes WP:MUSICBIO. Kindly let me know If I am wrong in this. Thanks in Advance!!!

Wish you all a Happy Beginning on the Month of July!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jocelin Andrea. Please explain precisely (with sources) why you think draft meets WP:MUSICBIO, rather than ask us to determine that for you. My feeling is that sources in the article aren't detailed/in depth enough to yet warrant an article, and that it's maybe simply WP:TOOSOON, albeit not too far away. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi User:Nick Moyes, I think this reference is a good one and the References of Indian Express are good too and I believe that they make the article qualify for WP:MUSICBIO. Thanks, Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:14, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: Thank you. Which specific point(s) of WP:MUSICBIO do you believe this meets so that we can judge your source against the exact published criteria? There are twelve points you can justify it against. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:20, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

So, @User:Nick Moyes, I believe that she qualifies the points 1,4,6,10 & 12 Respectively. Kindly ensure that from your side too.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jocelin Andrea (talk • contribs) 04:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: I don't see how any one of those points is met. She has not been "the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works" (point 1). You mention two sources above, where one is borderline acceptable as independent, but is not in-depth and is based on an interview with her. The second source you mention is just a quote by her in a very short piece about upcoming musicians performing online. There is nothing in either of those sources (nor in the draft) about her being part of an ensamble (point 6), or about an international or nationwide tour (point 4), or about being "a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network" (point 12). The sources you mention also don't discuss her performing in "a work of media that is notable" (point 10); the draft says she has recorded a playback song for an upcoming film, but that in itself doesn't make a musician meet WP:MUSICBIO. I believe it is simply too soon for an article about her. --bonadea contributions talk 09:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Review of My article : Haniya Nafisa (2)

Hi there, I just would like to get a reply from my question which I posted Yesterday. The question was to let a reveiewer know from which Points of WP:MUSICBIO does my Draft qualify and I stated the points from where she qualifies. Since then, I have not got a reply.

Secondly, there are two reviewers discussing within themselves for the approval of the Draft: Haniya Nafisa in it's Talk page. So, can I suggest them anything? Or can I leave them discussing?

Also, can anyone explain me what they were speaking of? Thanks in Advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 04:06, 2 July 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 04:06, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: It is easier to keep the discussion focused if it is kept in one section – please don't start new sections about the same topic. I just responded in the discussion above. (I modified the heading to this section to make it possible to link to the previous one.) Thanks! --bonadea contributions talk 09:58, 2 July 2021 (UTC)