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Draft: Richard Whitaker (classicist)

Hello, is this the right place to reply regarding your decision to decline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Richard_Whitaker_(classicist)?

First let me thank you for your speedy response. When I read "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,377 pending submissions waiting for review" I feared this won't happen before Christmas.

Richard Whitaker is one of only around a dozen people in the 21st century, and less than 100 in all of history to publish translations into English of both foundational Classic (Greek and Roman Literature) works by Homer, the Iliad and the Odyssey. In my view this fact and the surrounding circumstances of his work - that it represents localized English renditions of core Classics curriculum works that both participate in the current world-wide wave of "democratization" of Classics as a discipline attempting to find a rejuvenated place in various local communities while being conducted at the highest professional level as evidenced in reviews of his works by his peers - makes him deserving of a Wikipedia entry. Thank you for your views but personal views can't be considered to claim notability. It doesn't mean that the person won't be notable. My intuition says subject is notable but we will have to work it through and ensure that it is notable because it matches the policies and not because we feel so Thank you . I understand your point, and I will try to formulate it using quotes from peer review sources Fatzers (talk) 17:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

As I read this criterion which was pointed out in the decision to decline the article,

"WP:NACADEMIC Academics meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable... The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources."

I'd say that his authoring two Homer translations in the past decade makes him notable

a) in general, as it is core curriculum literature in the large part of the world and the number of people who accomplished that is very small, Are you suggesting that his work is being taught at various higher education institutes? I was being imprecise here - I meant Homer's works are "core curriculum" so Whitaker's translations of both of them make him a member of a very small group of scholars currently working, plus he is reviewed by his peers; as for using his translations, I was able to find a reference to 3 South African Universities at one point in time which I listed below; I think it has to be taken into account that the very nature of his translations being in South African English obviously limits their use in Europe/UK/United States, as does his explicit effort to remedy Euro/Anglo/American-centered interpretations that are implicit in those previous translations, but I would say using them locally in a community they were "designed" for is relevant Fatzers (talk) 17:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

b) in them being produced into non-standard English (his local idiom of South African English to be precise), which makes these translations of canonical works unique in all of the English-speaking world, and makes a unique stand against Euro-, Anglo- and America-centric translations and their biases which did not resonate with South African students as noted both in popular presentations of his works https://www.hindustantimes.com/books/homer-s-iliad-translated-into-south-african/story-032Ls2MmEYfvcSePYXUW5I.html and in professional reviews; probably one of the most notable Classicists and translators of Homer into English today, Emily Wilson, in her review in BMCR https://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2018/2018.05.38/ ranked Whitaker's Odyssey translation in this manner:

"Its speed gives it an edge over Peter Green. For readability, it ranks above the foreignizing of Richmond Lattimore. Its straightforwardness is often preferable to the creative additions and omissions of Robert Fitzgerald. Its relative lack of grandiosity is often a distinct advantage over the magenta free verse of Robert Fagles. "

This review helps. If we find more such reviews of his book, we can easily count him under WP:Creative and might not have to take the painful WP:Academic road. I already listed one other review (by Jo-Marie Claassen) and there are also very positive reviews of Iliad (published in 2012); please bear in mind that reviews for such works sometimes take years to get published (Odyssey is from late 2017) Fatzers (talk) 17:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

c) in having these translations used at Universities in South Africa, again, as one of the only examples anywhere of attempting to center local community's linguistic history while forging a dialogue with canonical Greek literature which was again noted both in popular accounts of his work https://mg.co.za/article/2013-01-10-iliads-african-odyssey/ and peer review (example by Emily Wilson in BMCR:

"Setting all my inevitable quibbles and disappointments aside—all of which must be taken as the partisan observations they inevitably are —Richard Whitaker deserves to be applauded for a translation of the Odyssey that provides an excellent corrective to the Eurocentricism of most Anglophone classical translations, including my own."

d) in participating in the discussions about translation theory and translation practice on the pages of scholarly journals (his thorough review of Emily Wilson's Odyssey translation is representative here)

Please let me know if this is enough to change your mind, and if not, is there anything else that could. Fatzers (talk) 20:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey, yes, we can discuss this here. And thank you for a detailed explanation. Allow me some time to go through it and respond. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC) Thank you for your time&effort Fatzers (talk) 17:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Hafiz Hanif

Hi @Nomadicghumakkad, you've rejected the article 'Hafiz Hanif' for WP:REFBOMB and WP:THREE. Would you mind sharing with me which part that I need to improve? Najfeez (talk) 00:05, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Najfeez, thanks for reaching out. Before we go ahead and improve the article, let's have a discussion on notability. Can you provide three best references that according to you helps claim WP:GNG? Also, how do you know this person? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm one of Dr Hafiz Hanif's postgraduate students. I wanted to create a page about him because he has a huge followings in Malaysia and has been appearing in media (television, printed, and online) especially during the pandemic COVID19 when he provided many comments on education that has been disrupted by the pandemic. Among the sources that I've taken into account is 1) from his online portfolio (https://www.drhafizhanif.net/), 2) from the published newspaper articles (https://www.bharian.com.my/authors/oleh-dr-mohd-hafiz-md-hanif), and 3) from his online CV taken form the university's official document (https://portal3.upsi.edu.my/cms/DirektoriPakar/viewDetail.jsp?SID=2BA31508C4CC6494) Najfeez (talk) 03:08, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
I see. In this case, please first read WP:COI and declare your conflict of interest. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 03:10, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
@Nomadicghumakkad why would this be a COI issue? When writing an article about a person, one should know the person he/she is writing, no? If you read the article closely, there is no indicator of special treatment/ favourable tone in the writing. All information presented are facts, collected and summarised from various data points as per detailed above. Najfeez (talk) 10:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Well, yes! It is not what you think Najfeez. It is not advised to write people whom you know on Wikipedia. We use WP:RS to WP:VER all information so that you don't have to know the person. It is good to know that you have not given a special treatment but it will be great if an uninvolved editor would say the same. Since you know him, your opinions and views would be considered biased. Coming to sources, all of these are primary sources. Please read WP:RS again. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Okay, after reading Wikipedia:Reliable sources I understand your concern. How can we proceed from here, so that the article gets published? Najfeez (talk) 00:51, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi Najfeez, The article can get published or not, it depends if the person crosses notability. So let's first discuss that. Now that you have understood WP:RS, can you give me WP:THREE again? Please also read WP:GNG and WP:Academic. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:08, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Rolf Engen

Hi Nomadicghumakkad - I am just now getting back to this Draft, and I circled back and made several additional adjustments to this page to try to finish cleaning up the POV issues you have described/listed. I've gone back through the full article a couple times now and swapped out more sections with direct quotes in an attempt to clear up some items, I've added additional citations, and I've removed fuzzy/non-neutral terms and opinion-leaning content. Is there anything else you see that appears off or needs to be corrected? Thank you again for all of your help and efforts on this. This has certainly been a great learning experience for me re: the Wikipedia way!

Hey, thanks for being back and contributing again. I am looking at it now. In attempt to do what you wanted to do, you have essentially WP:REFBOMB it. What it means is that if you want to cite an information, use one best source and that's all. Remove all sources that don't contribute to notability or are not citing any information or are added as additional sources to cite an info that's already sourced. From my past discussion, I remember, we were trying to play with WP:THREE and we need to stay on the same course before anyone goes on to read the entire lengthy article in interest of time. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Anshuman Pushkar

Hi Nomadicghumakkad , I have been tried to create the page of now famous actor Draft:Anshuman Pushkar, I have added enough references from the reputed sites including secondary sources. @hat makes you declining to publish page live? Can you elaborate the reason? There are many articles of similar nature are currently published without any references. Why there are discrimination going on to publish article of a specific actor? Do let me know that how this article could get published. હમઝા ઘાંચી (Talk) 06:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey હમઝા ઘાંચી , please read WP:OTHER which says we should not compare. If you can demonstrate how this meets WP:NACTOR, we can relook. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Thoughts of the Day

I have read WP:NOTBOOK and found the following criteria: The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles , other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.

Then why asking specifically for book reviews? I am not geeting Kartik0976 (talk) 02:27, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

You are right indeed, Kartik0976. We are wrong to ask just for book reviews. But I guess we do that as habit since they are the best means to evaluate notability. I see you have cited two newspapers. Do you have an E-copy or an archived copy of those? It is difficult to assume good faith and believe that they exist. Will be surely good to see what's written in them. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:55, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

It is not about to being right or wrong I was confused because I had read the guidelines before creating the draft. Actually WP:NOTBOOK should include the words you are saying. So that new contributors won't get confused like me. Kartik0976 (talk) 13:19, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

DRAFT: SAATCHI YATES

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, thank you for your review. However, I would like to confirm that I do not have any affiliation with Saatchi Yates or any of their artists.

If you can please provide some tips for revision, that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoitsjae (talk • contribs) 10:42, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey, will be best to first evaluate notability with WP:THREE. Can you provide three best sources that you think qualify for notability? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 07:36, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft: YesWeHack

Hi there, and thanks for reviewing my draft 2 days ago. I understand that there is not enough significant coverage in my draft to publish it. The issue I encounter is that the company I'm writing about is French, so full and relatable articles about it are written in French. I was wondering if I could add them? Or if references should only be in English? In the meantime, I've rewritten the article and tried to improve it. Any pieces of advice would be much appreciated! Thanks much. Mathbsnd (talk) 12:10, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Mathbsnd, French language or any other language is totally acceptable. The only challenge with sources in other language that I particularly face is that it is not easy to determine if it is a reliable source or not. BUT, that doesn't mean that any editor should not use them. So bring them on and we will figure out. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Nomadicghumakkad, and thanks for your answer. I added a few references in French in which YesWeHack is the main subject, hoping it will improve the quality of press coverage. Should I submit the draft to the AfC process again, or would you have some time to take another look? Mathbsnd (talk) 14:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Mathbsnd, sorry for delayed reply. I saw that this got archived here so took a moment to find this conversation. Would it be possible to give WP:THREE here itself? Otherwise, it will take a lot of time for me to differentiate what's new and old. Thanks a lot! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 07:44, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, no worries, thanks for replying. Sure, for me, the three best sources are: 1. Cybersécurité : Yes We Hack chasse les bugs en Asie 2. YesWeHack à l'assaut du monde 3. YesWeHack: 'The idea is to be a European alternative to the US bug bounty platforms’ So two in French and one in English - hope it will be better this time. Thanks and enjoy your day! Mathbsnd (talk) 10:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


Hey Mathbsnd, starting a new thread here in continuation. I didn't know that I should not edit my archives. Very much thankful for being patient and bringing these french sources also in the mix. I will need some time to analyse them. My constant challenge with sources in other languages is my inability to quickly determine if they are reliable or not. So I might take longer to just go through them. Will ping you. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello Mathbsnd, refer to thoughts below:
[1] - I am okay with this.
[2] - I am having trouble with believing this is a reliable source. Looks very niche and the article looks heavily influenced by what is being told by the company
[3] - This is an interview so it won't count as independent.

Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, thanks for taking the time to review the sources.
For [4], it's indeed quite a niche IT newspaper, maybe this other one in French from a mainstream newspaper will be better? YesWeHack, l'arme anti-pirates informatiques
And for [5], ok, I see. Would this one (French startup YesWeHack raises €4 million with plans to disrupt Europe’s cybersecurity market) work? It's not an IT newspaper nor an interview.
Looking forward to know what you think. Thank you for your time, have a great day! Mathbsnd (talk) 12:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey Mathbsnd, please refer to thoughts below:
  • [6] - Definitely looks like a WP:RS. I can't read it fully but I think it contributes to WP:THREE.
  • [7] - unfortunately, I don't feel confident to be on-board this one because this doesn't read very independent and is simply a retell of what might have been told to them by the company. There is no independent comments by the journalists.

We got two already. Just need one more to sail through. Yay! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:48, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, thanks again for your review!
  • For the third one: this article is not only on YesWeHack but more globally on ethical hacking - more independant than the previous one, I think. This other article deals with France's Covid application, secured by YesWeHack - lots of info about the company as well.

So two other more in French... hoping one will work out! Thanks again and enjoy your day! Mathbsnd (talk) 08:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 07:30:47, 20 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by S&J-mdusoffice


Regarding the rejection of this article on Articles for creation: Johannes Fleischmann

Hello, Could you explain to me why exactly you rejected this article? It is an article from the German Wikipedia that I just translated into English. Therefore, all the sources are German. Is that the problem? Do the sources need to be in English for the English Wikipedia? The article is about an Austrian artist, there are mostly German sources about him.

S&J-mdusoffice (talk) 07:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


hi S&J-mdusoffice , no language is not a problem. Please see WP:VER. You have to cite each and every information. Currently, for example, the entire career section is unsourced. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 11:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad , thank you very much for your explanation. I researched and added the missing citations now and resubmitted it.

Draft: Shiji

Hi, Nomadicghumakkad, sorry it took me a bit to get back. Looks like our previous conversation was archived. As you suggest, the Skift authority issue is still up in the air. You asked me to list other valid references for scrutiny here. There are a couple that already exist in the source list that bear mentioning. First, this [1] report was created using a press release and added research which culminated in the author's implied assertion that face recognition technology is here and that it may be the future for hotels, especially larger chains. Ms. Mariano is an editor of TD, which is one of the most respected and powerful media outlets in the niche. Also, I think the reference to the South Florida Business Journal reporting the new offices of Shiji constitutes substantial coverage by a quality source. [2] The author here is a staff reporter as well, and the news is substantial at the local (Florida) level, as well as at the national level. The journal has 10.4 million readers monthly online, and probably more in print.

I am sorry not to add newer citations, but the pandemic has slowed the industry to a standstill Nomad, there simply is not so much news about these hospitality tech companies right now. I will keep looking per your suggestions though. Thanks once again for all your help on this. Philbutler (talk) 10:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey, that's okay.
  • [8] - this one is in grey area. But could be considered if we are being liberal (Which we aren't usually when it comes to companies)
  • [9] - seems like a reliable source. Not bad.

I am gonna do my own research honestly and find more. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 11:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Philbutler, check this [10]. You can find similar books, reports or case studies where Shiji is being discussed in depth. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey, this is great Nomadicghumakkad!

I saw quite a few book references while searching the web, but did not delve into them because they were not as in-depth as the one you found. This rocks, I will look for more and retrace my steps. Philbutler (talk) 07:33, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Ali Mozaffari page

Hello dear Nomadicghumakkad. I hope you are doing well. Regarding the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ali_Mozaffari The scholar has written 5 books (completely by himself) and tens of articles as book chapters, etc (all by prestigious academic publishers). So I am confused why the reviewers are emphasising that he has been mentioned briefly in 'media'. I will be grateful if you kindly check the page again. Thanks for your time. --Malekfarugh (talk) 20:44, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Malekfarugh , the subject here will need to pass any criteria listed at WP:Academic. Can you read it and let us know which one of it (and how) it is applicable for the subject? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 08:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)=
Dear Nomadicghumakkad, thanks for your note. I read the link. The scholar meets various conditions including:

1. [Prestigious Academic Award] > receiving Australian Research Council's DECRA Award to support his research which was focused on the role pre-Islamic heritage plays in 20th-century Iran and its potential to create a more stable Middle East (Source). 2. [Research Impact] > Just an an example, according to a Cambridge University Press review, Dr Mozaffari's works, "unlike most previous works on the relationship between architecture and national identity in Iran, transcends the symbolic and iconographic interpretation of architectural forms, elements and styles. By incorporating new theocratical approaches to place, it depicts a complex and multilayered picture of the foundation and development of the National Museum of Iran." (Source) The sources are independent and reliable. Please let me know if you need more information. Thanks. --Malekfarugh (talk) 00:17, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Malekfarugh,
  1. when they say prestigious, they are referring to awards of much higher orders. [11] This seems more like a grant - an important one for sure but not significant enough to qualify as a prestigious award that would grant notability.
  2. By research impact, you are probably referring to C1. I don't see the subject's work is highly cited. The approach is different but I won't say that they have pioneered a new concept - since that too, has to be highly referred to and accredited to the author. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:44, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi Nomadicghumakkad,

Thanks for your note. Hundreds of academic libraries have added Mozaffari's books to their collections. Please check out WorldCat just as an example for "Forming National Identity in Iran : the Idea of Homeland Derived from Ancient Persian and Islamic" (Source). His works have been reviewed by lots of academic journals. For the same topic he has lectured at various international conferences including "The Association for the Study of Persianate Societies" and State Library of New South Wales. According to the New York University, Mozaffari also has been also one of the internationally-recognised scholars who have been interviewed in the documentary film "Taq Kasra: Wonder of Architecture", screened at various museums, conferences and universities around the world (Source). Thanks for your attention. --Malekfarugh (talk) 20:49, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Malekfarugh , can you share links of few reviews? Those are surely helpful for notability. For Documentary, number of screenings is not helpful but reviews are. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:06, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello Nomadicghumakkad, I have already added them to the article but again: Reviews : Cambridge University Press, Iranian Studies, New Eastern Europe, etc. Mozaffari's work has been cited as an "Excellent volume". [Documentary Presence] The number of screenings surely is not important but the organiser is important. The film has been screened at international conferences, world-class museums and prestigious universities such as Yale University, Archaeology Museum of Pennsylvania, Smithsonian Institutions, University of London, etc. (Sources). Various universities also use the film as an educational material on their classes/servers including the University of Texas. Thanks.--Malekfarugh (talk) 16:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello Malekfarugh, [12], this is good. My suggestion would be to create a reception section and copy a balanced paragraph from the reviews (at least 2 or 3) to establish that his work is being discussed. The documentary - I see he makes an appearance and it's not exactly his work. Being part of documentary may work as
  1. We need to question if he could be considered a co-creator of this work. If yes, we need to further check if the documentary itself is being reviewed/discussed at WP:RS. If yes, there is ground for WP:Creative.
  2. If his work is being discussed, it could be considered as a secondary source.

But without understanding what exactly his role is in the documentary, we can't figure how it contributes to notability. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:43, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello dear Nomadicghumakkad, thanks for advices. I added highlights of the academic reviews to the article. The academic/independent sources are provided too. Regarding the documentary, he has been one of the internationally recognised scholars who have been interviewed in the film and also the academic supervisor. (Source). Please kindly take a look to the piece and let me know if additional information is needed. Thanks. --Malekfarugh (talk) 00:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
hello Malekfarugh, I see it has been rejected again because improper sourcing. You see, you can't leave anything unsourced as per WP:VER. There are portions like The research was the first ever interpretative study of the relationship between the museum, state ideologies and the idea of homeland. On books, you either need to provide a source or an ISBN number at least. I don't see a reception section yet. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Question About Draft:VTEX

Hi Nomadicghumakkad,

I updated the VTEX draft today and wanted to reach out to see if I could get further information about the initial rejection of the article. I tried to address all the concerns but I was not 100% sure which sources were being referred to in saying the piece needs independent, reliable, published sources. I was working off of several articles and tried to include the most relevant ones at regarded publications (Bloomberg, TechCrunch, Business Insider) and wanted to ask if this feedback was targeted towards a specific citation or group of citations.

I updated some of the wording and removed some of the unneeded terms (peacock terms), and tried to improve the tone but was curious if you could confirm that this has been corrected or elaborate if more changes are necessary.

Thank you!

--Sm88edits (talk) 22:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Sm88edits , this reads like a company presentation and not a Wikipedia page. I am also afraid it won't meet notability. Can you establish WP:THREE? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:35, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Santhosh Damodharan

Hey, hope you are doing well! I am the editor who had created the article for the producer Santhosh Damodharan. It seems that a WP:COI tag has been added to the article, so I thought I'd clarify my point of view. I had created the article because I had recently seen the film he was the lead antagonist of and when I looked him up, it seemed like he was a major producer with some commercial successes under his belt. I had added the "commercial successes" part in the article because I thought it'd emphasize his notability further. As for the image, as I have explained before for another article I created, I got it from an acquaintance of mine (who did not pay me in any manner) who works in the film industry. I hope this proves that I do not have a conflict of interest, I am merely trying to create articles for people or films that I believe are notable. Thanks! — JosephJames 07:05, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello JosephJames, thanks for explaining. The article reads neutral now. Removing tag. Please ensure to follow WP:NPOV in next articles. Since when have you been editing Wikipedia? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:37, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft: YesWeHack

Hi there, and thanks for reviewing my draft 2 days ago. I understand that there is not enough significant coverage in my draft to publish it. The issue I encounter is that the company I'm writing about is French, so full and relatable articles about it are written in French. I was wondering if I could add them? Or if references should only be in English? In the meantime, I've rewritten the article and tried to improve it. Any pieces of advice would be much appreciated! Thanks much. Mathbsnd (talk) 12:10, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Mathbsnd, French language or any other language is totally acceptable. The only challenge with sources in other language that I particularly face is that it is not easy to determine if it is a reliable source or not. BUT, that doesn't mean that any editor should not use them. So bring them on and we will figure out. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Nomadicghumakkad, and thanks for your answer. I added a few references in French in which YesWeHack is the main subject, hoping it will improve the quality of press coverage. Should I submit the draft to the AfC process again, or would you have some time to take another look? Mathbsnd (talk) 14:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Mathbsnd, sorry for delayed reply. I saw that this got archived here so took a moment to find this conversation. Would it be possible to give WP:THREE here itself? Otherwise, it will take a lot of time for me to differentiate what's new and old. Thanks a lot! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 07:44, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, no worries, thanks for replying. Sure, for me, the three best sources are: 1. Cybersécurité : Yes We Hack chasse les bugs en Asie 2. YesWeHack à l'assaut du monde 3. YesWeHack: 'The idea is to be a European alternative to the US bug bounty platforms’ So two in French and one in English - hope it will be better this time. Thanks and enjoy your day! Mathbsnd (talk) 10:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


Hey Mathbsnd, starting a new thread here in continuation. I didn't know that I should not edit my archives. Very much thankful for being patient and bringing these french sources also in the mix. I will need some time to analyse them. My constant challenge with sources in other languages is my inability to quickly determine if they are reliable or not. So I might take longer to just go through them. Will ping you. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello Mathbsnd, refer to thoughts below:
[13] - I am okay with this.
[14] - I am having trouble with believing this is a reliable source. Looks very niche and the article looks heavily influenced by what is being told by the company
[15] - This is an interview so it won't count as independent.

Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, thanks for taking the time to review the sources.
For [16], it's indeed quite a niche IT newspaper, maybe this other one in French from a mainstream newspaper will be better? YesWeHack, l'arme anti-pirates informatiques
And for [17], ok, I see. Would this one (French startup YesWeHack raises €4 million with plans to disrupt Europe’s cybersecurity market) work? It's not an IT newspaper nor an interview.
Looking forward to know what you think. Thank you for your time, have a great day! Mathbsnd (talk) 12:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey Mathbsnd, please refer to thoughts below:
  • [18] - Definitely looks like a WP:RS. I can't read it fully but I think it contributes to WP:THREE.
  • [19] - unfortunately, I don't feel confident to be on-board this one because this doesn't read very independent and is simply a retell of what might have been told to them by the company. There is no independent comments by the journalists.

We got two already. Just need one more to sail through. Yay! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:48, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, thanks again for your review!
  • For the third one: this article is not only on YesWeHack but more globally on ethical hacking - more independant than the previous one, I think. This other article deals with France's Covid application, secured by YesWeHack - lots of info about the company as well.

So two other more in French... hoping one will work out! Thanks again and enjoy your day! Mathbsnd (talk) 08:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Mathbsnd, Hey, I think we are good. Can you remove things like making it the first country to ensure continuous security for its contact tracing app through bug bounty. and the laundry list of client. They are disturbing WP:NPOV. We will accept it after that. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 07:30:47, 20 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by S&J-mdusoffice


Regarding the rejection of this article on Articles for creation: Johannes Fleischmann

Hello, Could you explain to me why exactly you rejected this article? It is an article from the German Wikipedia that I just translated into English. Therefore, all the sources are German. Is that the problem? Do the sources need to be in English for the English Wikipedia? The article is about an Austrian artist, there are mostly German sources about him.

S&J-mdusoffice (talk) 07:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


hi S&J-mdusoffice , no language is not a problem. Please see WP:VER. You have to cite each and every information. Currently, for example, the entire career section is unsourced. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 11:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad , thank you very much for your explanation. I researched and added the missing citations now and resubmitted it.

Draft: Shiji

Hi, Nomadicghumakkad, sorry it took me a bit to get back. Looks like our previous conversation was archived. As you suggest, the Skift authority issue is still up in the air. You asked me to list other valid references for scrutiny here. There are a couple that already exist in the source list that bear mentioning. First, this [3] report was created using a press release and added research which culminated in the author's implied assertion that face recognition technology is here and that it may be the future for hotels, especially larger chains. Ms. Mariano is an editor of TD, which is one of the most respected and powerful media outlets in the niche. Also, I think the reference to the South Florida Business Journal reporting the new offices of Shiji constitutes substantial coverage by a quality source. [4] The author here is a staff reporter as well, and the news is substantial at the local (Florida) level, as well as at the national level. The journal has 10.4 million readers monthly online, and probably more in print.

I am sorry not to add newer citations, but the pandemic has slowed the industry to a standstill Nomad, there simply is not so much news about these hospitality tech companies right now. I will keep looking per your suggestions though. Thanks once again for all your help on this. Philbutler (talk) 10:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey, that's okay.
  • [20] - this one is in grey area. But could be considered if we are being liberal (Which we aren't usually when it comes to companies)
  • [21] - seems like a reliable source. Not bad.

I am gonna do my own research honestly and find more. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 11:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Philbutler, check this [22]. You can find similar books, reports or case studies where Shiji is being discussed in depth. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey, this is great Nomadicghumakkad!

I saw quite a few book references while searching the web, but did not delve into them because they were not as in-depth as the one you found. This rocks, I will look for more and retrace my steps. Philbutler (talk) 07:33, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Ali Mozaffari page

Hello dear Nomadicghumakkad. I hope you are doing well. Regarding the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ali_Mozaffari The scholar has written 5 books (completely by himself) and tens of articles as book chapters, etc (all by prestigious academic publishers). So I am confused why the reviewers are emphasising that he has been mentioned briefly in 'media'. I will be grateful if you kindly check the page again. Thanks for your time. --Malekfarugh (talk) 20:44, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Malekfarugh , the subject here will need to pass any criteria listed at WP:Academic. Can you read it and let us know which one of it (and how) it is applicable for the subject? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 08:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)=
Dear Nomadicghumakkad, thanks for your note. I read the link. The scholar meets various conditions including:

1. [Prestigious Academic Award] > receiving Australian Research Council's DECRA Award to support his research which was focused on the role pre-Islamic heritage plays in 20th-century Iran and its potential to create a more stable Middle East (Source). 2. [Research Impact] > Just an an example, according to a Cambridge University Press review, Dr Mozaffari's works, "unlike most previous works on the relationship between architecture and national identity in Iran, transcends the symbolic and iconographic interpretation of architectural forms, elements and styles. By incorporating new theocratical approaches to place, it depicts a complex and multilayered picture of the foundation and development of the National Museum of Iran." (Source) The sources are independent and reliable. Please let me know if you need more information. Thanks. --Malekfarugh (talk) 00:17, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Malekfarugh,
  1. when they say prestigious, they are referring to awards of much higher orders. [23] This seems more like a grant - an important one for sure but not significant enough to qualify as a prestigious award that would grant notability.
  2. By research impact, you are probably referring to C1. I don't see the subject's work is highly cited. The approach is different but I won't say that they have pioneered a new concept - since that too, has to be highly referred to and accredited to the author. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:44, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi Nomadicghumakkad,

Thanks for your note. Hundreds of academic libraries have added Mozaffari's books to their collections. Please check out WorldCat just as an example for "Forming National Identity in Iran : the Idea of Homeland Derived from Ancient Persian and Islamic" (Source). His works have been reviewed by lots of academic journals. For the same topic he has lectured at various international conferences including "The Association for the Study of Persianate Societies" and State Library of New South Wales. According to the New York University, Mozaffari also has been also one of the internationally-recognised scholars who have been interviewed in the documentary film "Taq Kasra: Wonder of Architecture", screened at various museums, conferences and universities around the world (Source). Thanks for your attention. --Malekfarugh (talk) 20:49, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Malekfarugh , can you share links of few reviews? Those are surely helpful for notability. For Documentary, number of screenings is not helpful but reviews are. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:06, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello Nomadicghumakkad, I have already added them to the article but again: Reviews : Cambridge University Press, Iranian Studies, New Eastern Europe, etc. Mozaffari's work has been cited as an "Excellent volume". [Documentary Presence] The number of screenings surely is not important but the organiser is important. The film has been screened at international conferences, world-class museums and prestigious universities such as Yale University, Archaeology Museum of Pennsylvania, Smithsonian Institutions, University of London, etc. (Sources). Various universities also use the film as an educational material on their classes/servers including the University of Texas. Thanks.--Malekfarugh (talk) 16:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello Malekfarugh, [24], this is good. My suggestion would be to create a reception section and copy a balanced paragraph from the reviews (at least 2 or 3) to establish that his work is being discussed. The documentary - I see he makes an appearance and it's not exactly his work. Being part of documentary may work as
  1. We need to question if he could be considered a co-creator of this work. If yes, we need to further check if the documentary itself is being reviewed/discussed at WP:RS. If yes, there is ground for WP:Creative.
  2. If his work is being discussed, it could be considered as a secondary source.

But without understanding what exactly his role is in the documentary, we can't figure how it contributes to notability. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:43, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello dear Nomadicghumakkad, thanks for advices. I added highlights of the academic reviews to the article. The academic/independent sources are provided too. Regarding the documentary, he has been one of the internationally recognised scholars who have been interviewed in the film and also the academic supervisor. (Source). Please kindly take a look to the piece and let me know if additional information is needed. Thanks. --Malekfarugh (talk) 00:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
hello Malekfarugh, I see it has been rejected again because improper sourcing. You see, you can't leave anything unsourced as per WP:VER. There are portions like The research was the first ever interpretative study of the relationship between the museum, state ideologies and the idea of homeland. On books, you either need to provide a source or an ISBN number at least. I don't see a reception section yet. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft to be created (Talitha)

Starting a new thread here, in continuation from the archives.

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, I hope you are coping well with the pandemic and in the pink of health. As informed earlier, after leaving Ronnie Jupiter's draft on hold, I would like to create a draft for another Malaysian artist, Talitha. Before creating the draft, I would like to crosscheck with you regarding the reliability of sources obtained from the web. I will list out each source here in the form of an annotated bibliography, however, you can read them anytime possible (they are all written in English).

Source #1: https://hype.my/2020/194894/interview-talitha-tan-flu-prevention/ Title: Interview: Talitha Tan On Her Debut Album, Coping with MCO & Lending Her Voice To Flu Prevention Bibliography: This article was published by Hype, a Malaysian news portal. The official website is https://hype.my/. The article consists of 13 questions interviewing Talitha. The questions asked aim to give the publisher a good understanding of Talitha's musical journey, which includes her previously released singles, her debut album release, how she had been coping with quarantine (also known as Movement Control Order (MCO)) in Malaysia with her music skills, as well as her genre of music.

Source #2: https://www.brandinginasia.com/talitha-tan-hunts-for-happiness-in-new-campaign-from-berjaya-sompo-insurance/ Title: Talitha Tan Hunts for Happiness in New Campaign from Berjaya Sompo Insurance Bibliography: This article explains how Talitha finds ways to enjoy life throughout the tough living in the COVID-19 pandemic. Some of her hobbies include cooking and car racing.

Source #3: https://paultan.org/2020/12/17/toyota-gazoo-racing-season-4-vios-challenge-gains-three-new-celebrity-racers-plus-new-rookie-class/ Title: Toyota Gazoo Racing Season 4 – Vios Challenge gains three new celebrity racers, plus new Rookie class Bibliography: This article is mainly written about Talitha's hobby for car racing, as mentioned in Source #2.

Source #4: https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/family/2021/03/11/encouraging-survivors-to-speak-up Title: Encouraging survivors to speak up Bibliography: This article is regarding Talitha's experience of sexual harassment, and how she conveys a message to the community by encouraging them not to be silent. This article was also published by The Star (Malaysia).

Source #5: https://www.nme.com/en_asia/news/music/talitha-shows-off-her-moves-in-new-music-video-for-ineedsomeone-2822711 Title: Talitha. shows off her moves in new music video for ‘ineedsomeone’ Bibliography: This article is regarding Talitha's choreography in her music video, 'ineedsomeone'.

Source #6: https://www.bandwagon.asia/articles/talitha-tan-life-quarantine-cats-music-mco-openup-sonaone-malaysia-asia-spotlight-yuna-coachella-laneway-boyce-avenue-sam-tsui-2020-interview Title: Asia Spotlight: "My music-making began in the shower" - Talitha on life in quarantine, with her cats and music Bibliography: This article is regarding how Talitha started her musical journey, her vocal inspirations as well as quarantine life.

Source #7: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/07/15/influencing-as-a-career Title: Influencing as a career Bibliography: This article is regarding Talitha's fitness lifestyle.

Source #8: https://rojakdaily.com/lifestyle/article/4079/top-malaysian-influencers-you-must-have-spotted-somewhere-in-2017 Title: Top Malaysian Influencers You Must Have Spotted Somewhere In 2017 Bibliography: This article is regarding top Malaysian influence in 2017, with Talitha included in the list.

Kindly let me know the reliability regarding these 8 sources before I can proceed - there's more on the web, but I decided to start small first. Also, you can check out Talitha's primary sources in the Google knowledge panel here: https://g.co/kgs/HKaToR, which includes her Instagram profile, Spotify artist page, and many more. Have a good day and stay safe, MarkieC07 (talk) 17:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi MarkieC07, please accept my apologies for such delayed reply. I am very happy to see your continued contribution to the project. Let's go through policies one by one:

  1. Would you say it meets any WP:NSINGER criteria? If yes, please let me know which one so that we can evaluate from that point of view. If no, let's move on to next.
  2. Do you think it has three sources that are strong enough to contribute to WP:GNG? If yes, please just present WP:THREE and let's evaluate those first.
  3. If none of the above two apply, we will check for WP:BASIC. For that, of course, I would have to go through all sources you have mentioned here.

Could you let me know about possibilities at WP:NSINGER and WP:THREE first? I am just trying to save my time since I have a long backlog of messages to respond! Looking forward! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 07:42, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, no worries at all regarding the delay. According to the criteria stated in WP:NSINGER, Talitha was placed on Hitz (radio station) on a rotational basis, but unfortunately at this time there is no supporting article. I think we can adhere to WP:BASIC for now, so I can know which sources are reliable. Again kindly take all the time you need, I appreciate your help and have a nice day! MarkieC07 (talk) 19:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


Hey MarkieC07, unfortunately I am not having a good feeling about it. The challenge is simple - most of these coverages are re-runs of what she is telling the media and the media is simply writing that out. Can you point out any articles where her work is being criticised or praised? Talking about hobbies etc comes under routine coverage and is not very relevant. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad sorry for the late reply, I just got my first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and wasn't feeling that well for the past week. As regarding to this: Can you point out any articles where her work is being criticised or praised?, honestly I don't think there are any articles on the web relevant to this point. You are right that most of the articles written about her are interviews about her, with various media sources. Regardless, do you think any of these articles can be considered as reliable sources? MarkieC07 (talk) 06:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey MarkieC07 , Reliable - maybe yes. But the question is not on reliability but on independence. Do you want me to search for some topics and suggest you regarding Music or Malaysia to help you get started with creating pages? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:24, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Debashish_Banerji

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, Debashish Banerji is the holder of the founder's chair (Haridas Chaudhuri) of a well recognized USA university California Institute of Integral Studies, San Francisco, where he is also the chair of East-West Psychology department. He authored 3 books and edited 3 books as well. And of course he has been giving so many talks with great clarity in the concepts of Integral Yoga as well as Art History, curating exhibitions in the US Universities etc. Please tell me what I can provide you to establish his credibility to be entered into Wikipedia entries. First I heard him talk in the AUM conference in 2005 (https://www.collaboration.org/aum/2005/index.html) and ever since I am following his lectures on various websites/in various events, and of course have been reading his books. I study Integral Yoga with great depth, and rarely came across such comprehensive and coherent rendering.— Preceding unsigned comment added by AgniForce (talk • contribs)


Hey AgniForce, thanks for reaching out. Can you start by helping me define magnificent and great? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 11:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

-- Hi Nomadicghumakkad, if you have any difficulty accepting those two words, you may disregard those 2 words, since they did not occur in the actual article. It does not change the facts I have just described above. In fact I just removed those two words from my comment above.

Hi AgniForce, I am not finding the rest of the argument sufficient to demonstarte how it meets WP:Academic. My request to you would be to read it carefully and illustrate which of the criteria is met and how. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:24, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi Nomadicghumakkad, criteria #5 says, "The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research." As I mentioned in the first line that -- Debashish Banerji is the holder of the founder's chair (Haridas Chaudhuri) of a well recognized USA university California Institute of Integral Studies, San Francisco, where he is also the chair of East-West Psychology department. AgniForce 17:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi Nomadicghumakkad, you might also like to look at the Foreword to his book (pg xi to xii, available for view on google books) "The Alternate Nation of Abanindranath Tagore". There the eminent art historian Partha Mitter writes: "Banerji... eschews a teleological and temporal narrative in favor of "history as performance," seeking to engage creatively with social forces in order to establish that the past was replete with immanent possibilities... This bold and imaginative approach to an alternative nationalist art history proposed by Debashish Banerji will, and must, generate intense debates on the nature of nationalism, modernity, art, class and identity." Partha Mitter is Emeritus Professor of art history at University of Sussex, England; a member of Wolfson College, Oxford University; and past fellow of Clare Hall, Cambridge University. AgniForce 4:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey AgniForce, I have been away for a while. Getting back now to all messages. Will check and revert soon. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:05, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey, I have opened a discussion here [25], AgniForce. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:30, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Question About Draft:VTEX

Hi Nomadicghumakkad,

I updated the VTEX draft today and wanted to reach out to see if I could get further information about the initial rejection of the article. I tried to address all the concerns but I was not 100% sure which sources were being referred to in saying the piece needs independent, reliable, published sources. I was working off of several articles and tried to include the most relevant ones at regarded publications (Bloomberg, TechCrunch, Business Insider) and wanted to ask if this feedback was targeted towards a specific citation or group of citations.

I updated some of the wording and removed some of the unneeded terms (peacock terms), and tried to improve the tone but was curious if you could confirm that this has been corrected or elaborate if more changes are necessary.

Thank you!

--Sm88edits (talk) 22:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Sm88edits , this reads like a company presentation and not a Wikipedia page. I am also afraid it won't meet notability. Can you establish WP:THREE? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:35, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Philip S. Balboni

Hi there, I wanted to inform you that I have edited the draft article for Philip S. Balboni. I have tried to follow your instructions and that of other Wikipedia editors closely: I removed any promotional language and I have added several new references and sources that might give more validity. I would appreciate your feedback on it.

Hey, what about this He is married to Elizabeth Cannon Houghteling. They live in Cambridge, Massachusetts . They have a son, Philip Cannon Houghteling Balboni, a doctoral candidate in social anthropology at the University of California at Berkeley. Balboni also has a daughter, Jessica Scribner Brett Balboni, a writer and editor in New York city.? This is an intimate information. How do you know this? Would you happen to know this subject personally? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Rainer W. Bussmann

Hi, you declined the english Rainer W. Bussmann page because of "unreliable sources" Why?? The approved Spanish Page https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_W._Bussmann has exactly the same sources. I would suggest before declinig a page you check if it already exists in another language!

Hey, a page existing in a different language wiki is not a license to unequivocally exist in English Wiki. WP:VER is of core importance. You need to cite everything! Hope this is helpful. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 11:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

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Santhosh Damodharan

Hey, hope you are doing well! I am the editor who had created the article for the producer Santhosh Damodharan. It seems that a WP:COI tag has been added to the article, so I thought I'd clarify my point of view. I had created the article because I had recently seen the film he was the lead antagonist of and when I looked him up, it seemed like he was a major producer with some commercial successes under his belt. I had added the "commercial successes" part in the article because I thought it'd emphasize his notability further. As for the image, as I have explained before for another article I created, I got it from an acquaintance of mine (who did not pay me in any manner) who works in the film industry. I hope this proves that I do not have a conflict of interest, I am merely trying to create articles for people or films that I believe are notable. Thanks! — JosephJames 07:05, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello JosephJames, thanks for explaining. The article reads neutral now. Removing tag. Please ensure to follow WP:NPOV in next articles. Since when have you been editing Wikipedia? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:37, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomad! Sorry for being late to reply. Thanks for your feedback on the article and for removing the tag. As for your question, I've been on Wikipedia for some 8 years and in this time, I've developed the articles Drishyam and Dulquer Salmaan to good article status, which I consider my biggest achievements as regards to Wiki. I hope that shows that to some extent, I am neutral in my POV :D Cheers! — JosephJames 06:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. See you around JosephJames. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

FYI, Monica Sharma was undeleted

Just a courtesy note that I handled a request for undeletion today of the Monica Sharma article. Since you PRODded the article, I wanted you to know, in case you want to nominate it for AfD. —C.Fred (talk) 20:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey C.Fred, thanks for notifying. I will take another look and understand the history. Probably have a discussion with the creator and then AFD it. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Pnina Lahav

Thanks for letting me know about the comment left on the draft. Is that comment part of a triage system you use in AfC and meant for other editors, or is there something else I need to do at this time? Thanks! JRobble (talk) 12:38, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

The comment can refer to anyone JRobble . Here, it was more for other reviewers. The draft is too lengthy and will take a lot of time to fix. So I just wanted to leave my opinion to establish that I feel it might be worth spending time on. Hope this clarifies. I see it got rejected though. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello!

Hi Nomad!

We are a group of students from a university in Pune, and we have been doing a sociology project on business families in our state (like the Agashes) the past few months. Our professors and the university library guided us to a few set of books and sources from which we did our project and thought it a good idea to contribute to Wikipedia regarding them, since we couldn't find them on the Wiki (like Sheetal and Mandar Agashe) when we began our research.

We assure you, there is no direct connection between us and them; the closest we have come to is that we have purchased some of the products that are made by Sheetal Agashe's company Brihans, and Mandar Agashe gave a TEDx talk at our college some years ago (before COVID, obviously). We were wondering if you spotted a repetition of sources? The articles we have written have content from the same books, and maybe that similarity was striking to you? We also borrowed the bibliographic info (among other wiki styling and codes) for their articles from the same sources we have, that are already cited on the pages of their relatives that are already existing on the Wiki. Are online sources preferred to print over at AfC? Also, from your user page, would it have been better had we left the articles small? We thought submitting fully created, properly written and sourced articles would be helpful (like we do with our course work journals at college)... Please clarify this, thanks. If submitting them together was what was suspicious, we are truly sorry. We weren't aware of any such policy existing, please guide us on the same.

After reading some of your talk page interactions, we believe that the subjects have been significantly covered as per WP:GNG. Sheetal Agashe has been written about in magazines like Femina and Filmfare for her career with her company and some awards she has won. Mandar Agashe also has significant coverage at his business, too. All of which we have cited to the relevant in-line citation style. We couldn't find direct sources about his MTV listing, but the significantly older mentors we consulted on our project (lol) claimed they knew this information, and so we mentioned it. Please remove any information you deem unfit. Other stuff about his career in Marathi music, etc., we were able to find online and on WorldCat. In regards to their relatives and all that, we thought them interesting facts to mention as they are cited in all the genealogy books of these families of old Pune/Maharashtra. We saw that they were mentioned on similar old families' articles from Europe and America, and so we mentioned them here.

In closing, we were not sure what we could do apart from write to you when we saw the notice on the pages. We only have a few weeks left on our project at college. If you deem the articles unfit, please feel free to decline/delete the drafts from the Wiki. Thanks. Peace!

106.220.234.73 (talk) 19:27, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello good people 106.220.234.73 and thank you for your clarification. Gives my mind more peace. You see we received a lot of articles where personalities like them try to self promote. Happy to help you with these. Have you also edited their company page by any chance? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi Nomad, thank you so much for your kind words! We were so scared having reached out to you, because honestly, your comment on the drafts we submitted was quite disheartening. We are an academic bunch, and we like to be very thorough with our research, and any doubts from the powers that be on our work immediately frustrates us (lol).
To answer your question, yes, we did edit their company page, along with several other pages connected to them as well. We believe, you are referring to the awards that Brihans had won; we got the table for that section from Zac Efron's page, and since they were awards from major publications like Economic Times, Times of India, etc., and had received significant coverage, we didn't think it would be a problem. The edits on the other connected pages were cross-postings of facts we came across doing research on these subjects that applied to those pages as well, along with some wikilinking in preparation for the articles we submitted, because we have been naively confident about our research and the submitted drafts.
Like we have mentioned, we are not connected to these subjects and have no interest in promoting them or their lives and careers in anyway, so you are free to decline/delete the drafts at anytime. If us writing about them is a problem, we will abandon the drafts we have created. The main reason we wanted to contribute these subjects to Wikipedia to begin with was because we spotted another thing that was mentioned in our sociology and world history classes last semester, which is that online sources like Wikipedia, Google Scholar, JSTOR, etc. tend to be biased towards and mostly focus on Europe and America, and their history, as well as their perspective on the histories of other places. It is merely that we have begun with this family as it coincided with our college coursework. But we hope to expand to several other notable individuals, families, dynasties, royals and nobles in the coming months, if we are welcome to do so by Wikipedia. When we looked up the histories of these families, there were numerous wonderful family history books, almanacs, biographies on a lot of these historical families from old Pune that we found.
You see, we were quite annoyed in doing our project, that a lot of significant Indian (particularly Maharashtrian, as it relates to our college project) history was omitted from the Wiki, but was only present in those topics and subjects that have been covered by an overwhelming majority of British sources (like bios on freedom fighters from MH). Given that we are in a city like Pune, that served as the historic capital of the Maratha Empire, we have access through our uni library to a treasure trove of sources in print which are in Marathi that have a wealth of knowledge on subjects (persons, dynasties, events, scientific/artistic works, etc.) whose European or American equivalents all have lengthy articles on Wikipedia. A lot of these are dusty, heavy, old books in Marathi, which are quite hard to come by for the casual reader/researcher without access to university libraries. But from what we can tell, Wikipedia's sourcing policy has no contention with this. We thought submitting this info via the articles about these subjects might be beneficial. Please guide us if this was a mistake.
FYI: We have copied the article writing style (for both subjects of the drafts you commented on) from Cara Delevingne's page, and the style for the historical figures Panditrao Agashe and Raosaheb Gogte from the articles of Winston Churchill and the late Prince Philip. Please feel free to take a look, as we have submitted them for review as well. We are also working on few other articles on connected persons and companies to them and following styles for those articles from equivalent articles already on Wikipedia.
One point of contention we foresee is that, like every aristocratic system, several of these individuals and families are inter related through historical marriages and family ties; but this seems to be no issue on their European or American parallels. Another issue would be privilege bias, as most of the notable individuals and families (like the Patwardhans, Chitales, Gadgils, Paranjapes, etc.) we hope to work on in the coming few weeks are brahmins, and as such have had the privilege of having their histories well documented, having been the class of society that was in power. As much as we would like to contribute to Wikipedia the bios and histories of individuals who come from other socioeconomic stata, it is quite difficult to source that info, even if it is colloquially known (like Mandar's MTV listing which we still haven't found a source for, and so we will remove).
Please help us in anyway you can. We are novices at Wikipedia, although it is a godsend that the style of writing the articles is the same that we follow for our academic college journals. We would like to contribute about Pune city, and Maharashtrian history to the Wiki, as we have access to that information, as much as we can and what our real life commitments will allow. Thanks so much!
106.220.234.73 (talk) 07:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey 106.220.234.73, sorry to know that you were scared. Let me introduce you to a beautiful policy we call WP:OTHER which basically says that if something exists on one page, it doesn't mean it is right and can be taken inspiration from other pages. In no way we would want you to abandon this. This declaration alone is enough to give you rights to keep working on it - at least in draftspace. We can work collaboratively on this I think. Give me some time to figure how. This will consume time and I would prefer to have an efficient approach. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 10:24, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi Nomad, thank you so much for linking us to that policy! We did not know about it! We completely agree to its statements. We understand it is unfair to chase comparisons when it comes to regions and cultures and notability criteria for subjects like that. However, we are quite confident that the 4 drafts we have submitted meet adequately WP:GNG, if not extensively meet WP:THREE and WP:BASIC. After experiencing initial declines on other connected articles for their neutrality, we have thoroughly tried to make the current pages we have submitted as neutral and factual as we could, learning to paraphrase our sources correctly and summarize events and facts instead of listing or describing them out unnecessarily.
Like we said, we have submitted these drafts for review only after we worked on them as best and as fully we could, not wanting to submit short or stub articles. We are not sure what further changes they might require to their copy, or omission or addition of content as sources become available over time. We would like to focus our group efforts on developing the other articles we are still working on in the draft space, some connected to these subjects and some completely unconnected (as we previously mentioned). For us, work on these 4 submissions is done for our part, and as per Wikipedia's own policy: someone else will edit them as time goes on.
We kindly request you to let other AfC reviewers know our sentiments in this discussion, and if we have cleared the doubts your raised in the review comments. The 4 drafts we have submitted have been sorted as GA-class articles in the AfC submission sorting, which we are proud of and content with at this time. We have no stake in these articles being made, even if they are accepted or declined, we may or may not come back to them in the future, as we would like to work on those other articles for the time being (not to forget our real life projects, studies and degrees). The neutrality, notability and sourcing of our current submissions is the best we could have done and we hope AfC reviewers like you can see that. Thanks for taking the time to read all this and responding.
106.220.234.73 (talk) 12:44, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
PS: We have made the draft for Sarvatra Tech which you declined, neutral in language (upon realizing we had not paraphrased the sources but lazily copied them) and have added a larger variety of sources. We don't mind submitting it for review, but please guide us if it follows GNG, THREE and BASIC, as well as NCORP in this case. If not, we are happy to abandon our editing. Thanks! 106.220.234.73 (talk) 16:43, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi Nomad, we didn't hear back from you, so we commented on the two drafts you left comments on requesting reviewers to see this discussion here. Hope that's ok, we were being bold. We have moved on to our other drafts and hope to submit them as and when time permits since our real life project on these people is nearly finished and we have other priorities apart from contributing to Wikipedia (didn't know it would be so time consuming, lol). We will keep those other drafts short because we don't want them to appear as REFBOMBS. We had hoped our thorough research and lengthy articles would've been appreciated, but it's fine. Thanks for being so helpful, hope to be in touch. XO 106.220.141.142 (talk) 13:34, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey 106.220.141.142, sorry I have been away. Have been Nomadicing. Long comments! Will need some time to go through these. I will let other reviewers know about this discussion. That is a good idea. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey, the drafts have disappeared now. Did you request for deletion? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Shree Krishna Bhakto Meera

Now added reception for the show. 42.110.195.172 (talk) 04:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Seems like it is already accepted, 42.110.195.172. Congrats! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 17:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Request for assistance on AfC submission by Wikicontributor12369

Hi, Thank you for commenting on my draft. As suggested, I have removed as well as rearranged some unnecessary citations to avoid WP:REFBOMB. I hope, I've done them correctly. Could you please once check the draft and let me know your thoughts ?

Thanks ! Wikicontributor12369 (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey, thanks again for commenting on my draft. As asked by you to establish WP:THREE, here are the three best sources according to me : 1. কেমব্রিজকে বাঁচাল শহরের সৌরজিৎ, 2. Warding off hackers: Bug bounty hunters working to keep firms cyber secure, 3. Over 8 million COVID-19 test results leaked online. Additionally, here is a video interview 4.Young ethical hacker of Siliguri gains praise. I hope this will do the work. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks and have a great day ! Wikicontributor12369 (talk) 18:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey Wikicontributor12369, it will be more appropriate to comment those three on the draft page itself so that other reviewers can also see and present their views. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 18:25, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Sure, doing it. Wikicontributor12369 (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Acharya Prashant

Can you please check now? Niketanjha (talk) 18:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I have again corrected it as per your feedback. Please see now. Niketanjha (talk)

Request on 20:29:49, 10 August 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by G Schwind 22


I guess I'm having a hard time figuring out what is a reliable source for the Harlis Sweetwater page I'm trying to create. I was told to include more national media> I did, including an interview with a NPR affiliate. I included links to album reviews. Can you clarify for me what is a reliable source. And can you tell me what more I can do to help get this article published? Thanks, Gary Schwind (G Schwind 22)


G Schwind 22 (talk) 20:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey G Schwind 22, you can read more about reliable sources here WP:RS. The comment that I left however, more related with WP:VER (I agree that the language of this automated comment is confusing). You need to source everything. As you can see, for example, The Solo Career portion is completely unsourced. That being said, even after everything is sourced appropriately, you will have to establish how the subject qualifies WP:NMUSICIAN. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 08:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Request on 04:09:40, 11 August 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Ksmithmim


Howdy!

Thanks for the review of the article on MagsFast. :-)

Given that the site is a quite popular one for individuals looking to buy indie magazines and likewise for publishers to sell their publications, it's rather unclear what else needs to be done to ensure sufficient reliable sources.

Obviously, the magazines themselves, like the many magazines that already have articles about them in Wikipedia, are self-referential references and are noteworthy inclusions in Wikipedia; the question though is what does the site/store do that is one of the central places (in addition to Apple's App Store and the Google Play Store) where said publishers can sell their magazines?

It's not as if there's *one* magazine on the site. There are roughly 100 entirely independent titles.

Ergo, it's not as if this is a corner bakery looking to ostensibly use their Wikipedia page as ad space; there's actually there, there, so to speak and as you saw from the content, it's a "just the facts, ma'am" for people interested in learning about the entity; I'm just unsure how to demonstrate that sufficiently to pass muster. :-D

My thanks, ksmith

Ksmithmim (talk) 04:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey Ksmithmim, I know this is disappointing but WP:OTHER tells us that the arguments related to because it exists on other articles it gives me a license to repeat same are not relevant. You are correct, media doesn't reports on itself. Hence, there is an additional criteria called WP:NMEDIA. Wiki page of a media with the media website is the only source is far far away from acceptable. 08:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Lalitha Kanneganti

Hello Nomadicghumakkad, As per your comments, i have cleaned up the citations in this article to avoid WP:REFBOMB. are there any other changes you would suggest?

Hi Acrobat248, this is still not sorted. Please use one source for one piece of information. For example, out of 4,5 and 6 - choose one. Same for 7,8 and 9 and same for 1,2 and 3...And so on. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 06:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Nomadicghumakkad, the above change has been included in the article!

Hey, looks okay to me now. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
  1. ^ Mariano, Kristin. "50 hotels in Hainan allow guests to pay with their face". Travel Daily. Travel Daily Media. Retrieved 19 July 2021.
  2. ^ Portero, Ashley. "Hospitality tech company opens headquarters in South Florida, adds 70 jobs". South Florida Business Journal. American City Business Journals. Retrieved 19 July 2021.
  3. ^ Mariano, Kristin. "50 hotels in Hainan allow guests to pay with their face". Travel Daily. Travel Daily Media. Retrieved 19 July 2021.
  4. ^ Portero, Ashley. "Hospitality tech company opens headquarters in South Florida, adds 70 jobs". South Florida Business Journal. American City Business Journals. Retrieved 19 July 2021.
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