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Nathaniel Lande

Wondering how to address problems with this BLP. There are some odd references, such as <ref name="aboutexec">The only senior executive to have had a piano in his office</ref>. Is it better to remove refs like this and have completely unsourced information? Or to remove content not properly sourced? I think there is only one complete ref to an independent source with full details of date and author, the Santa Barbara News Press one. I can't see any RS online that would verify the details of his life, just two reviews on Publishers Weekly, but sme of his career may pre-date online sources. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 22:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

That was really bad. Another editor - Caeciliusinhorto - beat me to the removal of all of the crap. I think I need to go and wash my eyes with bleach or something now. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I can't publish my edits.

I tried to publish my edits, but there is a "report edit" button. This makes me feel unsatisfied. 2605:8D80:4A2:42F3:DA:D0C5:5DFD:F30 (talk) 23:02, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

You seem to have tripped edit filters, and reported the issues at Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives/Reports. I suggest you await the outcomes of those two reports. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Companies with missing infobox logo

i would like to help add images for companies that have a missing logo image in their infobox if anyone could help me build a list to do that. i had someone once help me build a list for searching for books without covers, so something like this would be great. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=incategory%3A%22Books+with+missing+cover%22+insource%3A%2Fpublished+%2A%3D+%2A20%2F&ns0=1&fulltext=Search Iljhgtn (talk) 19:20, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I think the best you'll find is Category:Pages using infobox company with a logo from wikidata - UtherSRG (talk) 19:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

k i will look at that link. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh wait... Those *have* a logo. No, {{infobox company}} doesn't have a "no logo" tracking category. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

was just about to respond saying that... Iljhgtn (talk) 19:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

i looked at AirWatch randomly, and they had a logo, so my first "spot check" demonstrated the list was not complete at least.. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I've put in a request for Category:Pages using infobox company missing logo to be added as a tracking category. Let's see what that request brings... - UtherSRG (talk) 19:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@UtherSRG @Iljhgtn might be worth asking at WP:VPT if there is a way to do a SPARQL query or something else for searching articles that transclude the template with an empty logo parameter. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:58, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

i have never asked anything of the village pump. i can try Iljhgtn (talk) 00:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

the category would be easiest. i asked about it at the village pump, but i am not sure if i asked correctly. thank you both. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Questionable Notability?

Hey! So how do you guys handle BLP's with somewhat questionable notability? Everyone would like to have a Wikipedia page, but many of them I've seen are fleshed out with WP:RSSELF, WP:UGC, WP:SELFSOURCE. How is significant coverage determined? I've found the below as guidance, and it makes sense, but as I'm going through and questioning sources, I'm getting some push back.

Thoughts?

General notability guidelines

• WP:GNG

If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable.

• "Presumed" means if there is actual and real coverage in a number of independent reliable sources, then we presume the topic is notable. However, a subject that is presumed to be notable may still not be suitable for being included. For example, it may violate what Wikipedia is not.
• "Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail. No original research is needed to find the content. Significant coverage is more than trivial but may be less than exclusive.
• "Reliable" means sources need to be written truthfully and honestly to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may include published works in all forms and media. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.
• "Sources," defined on Wikipedia as secondary sources, provide the best evidence of notability. The number and type of reliable sources needed depends on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources. Multiple sources are generally preferred.
• "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those linked with the subject including (but not limited to): self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, autobiographies, press releases, etc.

A topic for which this guideline has been met by agreement, is usually worthy of notice, and satisfies one of the guidelines for a stand-alone article in the encyclopedia. Verifiable facts and content not supported by multiple independent sources may be appropriate for inclusion within another article. Slacker13 (talk) 16:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Slacker13 and welcome to the Teahouse, I've made your second seciton heading, "General notability guidelines", a lower heading so it stays within the same top level section. I'd say in general most people should not want a Wikipedia biography. There's no actual advantage of having outside of some very small niches were it may help "promote" yourself. There are many potential downsides to having a Wikipedia article about oneself. I haven't had time to research your question more but it may be helpful for myself if I have time or other editors to provide a bit more context to your question. Thanks! Skynxnex (talk) 16:19, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Thx! Slacker13 (talk) 00:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

What are you asking? Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Head's) (Goo Goo Dolls) 16:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

You cut a huge amount of content from Joslyn Rose Lyons. Much of it was not referenced, and full of name-dropping. However, User:Materialscientist reverted your cuts, likely because so large and not well described in an Edit summary. A next step could be to open a discussion on the Talk page, or else make a modest cut with a better Edit summary and see if that remains. Or, try to add refs? David notMD (talk) 16:26, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

? Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Head's) (Goo Goo Dolls) 16:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I add that much of the weak content was added by User:Managementartist who was asked if doing undeclared paid work on the article, did not reply, but stopped. David notMD (talk) 16:33, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Slacker13 (talk) 00:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Slacker13 (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes. That's the second time someone has mentioned not doing such a huge edit. Will make sure to make smaller edits with better documentation moving forward. Slacker13 (talk) 00:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I note the problem here is not notability, but rather the addition of uncited & rather spammy content; and then its removal without the courtesy of an edit summary. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

thank you! Slacker13 (talk) 00:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

500 edits and 30 days tenure passed, what's next?

So I have made more than 500 edits and my account is more than 3 months old, but I still can't edit extended-protected articles, and Wikipedia hasn't notified me about how I have made 500 edits as a milestone. Is there another step that I have to go through in order to be allowed to edit extended-protected articles without the need of edit requests? Because I tried doing so for Foreign relations of Israel due to a grammatical error and Nicaragua being incorrect but User:Leoneix won't allow me and I'm mad. Underdwarf58 (talk) 05:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Underdwarf58: Your account appears to be extended confirmed, see here. You should be able to edit that page directly. Your edit request was closed because it didn't provide enough information for the reviewer to figure out what you wanted changed ­– when making an edit request, another user makes the change on your behalf. You do not need to make edit requests for extended-confirmed protected pages now, however, as your account is extended confirmed. I will leave some additional information on your talk page you should be aware of. Tollens (talk) 05:47, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Underdwarf58, If you can't edit, you can request an edit. See WP:ER for more information. I don't understand why you are 'accusing' me of not allowing you to edit.

I had found a source from JSTOR which I had cited while changing the date related to Nicaragua. Later another user changed it to the previous source (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foreign_relations_of_Israel&oldid=1189248848). I didn't edit further as I could not verify the previous source. Leoneix _(talk) 05:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry man, I take things seriously sometimes Underdwarf58 (talk) 06:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

It's okay Leoneix _(talk) 06:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

ARTICLE DECLINED

what's the issue of my article? Kitamhal (talk) 08:13, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kitamhal: You appear to have two on the go – is this a question about one specifically, or both? Tollens (talk) 08:36, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Now that I look more closely I assume this is related to Draft:Samantha Alexandra Panlilio. Tollens (talk) 08:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I presume you mean Draft:Charlotte Austin. Please read the guidelines. I can see that the entire personal life section is unsourced. These and other statements need to be sourced or removed. Tone is also promotional, for example "showcasing her versatility as an actress and contributing to the revival of this iconic production". Greenman (talk) 08:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

noter. I'll try to be more punctual.  Kitamhal (talk) 08:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kitamhal: The comment the reviewer left on Draft:Samantha Alexandra Panlilio (assuming it is this article as your edits to the other draft are fairly minor) indicates that it isn't supported adequately by reliable sources – looking through each source, refs 1 and 2 both appear to only contain a passing mention of the subject (typically a more detailed discussion in the source is required to demonstrate notability), and refs 3, 4, and 5 do not even mention the subject at all. Ref 5 also appears not to be independent – sources connected to the subject in some way may not be used to demonstrate notability. Reviewers look for sources which are reliable, independent, and contain significant coverage of the subject; if such sources aren't provided the article will likely not be accepted. Tollens (talk) 08:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Kitamhal, words and phrases like "beauty queen" and "tycoon" and "luxury property brand" and "opening soon in Siargao" are promotional and violate the Neutral point of view. Promotional language is simply not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

NOTED. Thank you so much Kitamhal (talk) 09:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

How do I publish my bio

hi, I opened my account but how do I publish my bio. I wrote it in edit and pressed publish but I think it was rejected. Jeymstuncer (talk) 09:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Jeymstuncer/sandbox fwiw. It was rejected. It has no citations and is self-written. See WP:COI and WP:BLP. It is probably not going to be promoted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

To add to what has been mentioned above: It's strongly recommended that you do not attempt to write an autobiography for several reasons; you should consider reading through Wikipedia:Autobiography for details. For any Wikipedia article to be published, it would need to be supported by multiple reliable, independent sources with significant coverage of the topic, and in this case no sources at all have been provided. Wikipedia is not for the hosting of CVs or other similar documents. Tollens (talk) 09:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jeymstuncer. Your draft User:Jeymstuncer/sandbox is an unreferenced biography of a living person, which is a policy violation. It cannot possibly be accepted in its current form. Read and study Your first article. If the draft is about you, please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged, especially when the writer has no good idea of how Wikipedia works. Cullen328 (talk) 09:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I created standard sections, but as noted above, all content needs independent references. If you have not been written about by people with no connection to you, there is no potential for this to succeed. If you agree, either abandon it or tag it for immediate deletion. I suggest you find other ways to contribute to Wikipedia, perhaps by improving existing articles about jazz musicians. David notMD (talk) 10:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Page Review!

Requesting for Page Draft:Dwaraka Creations Review! Mr.shaikmeer (talk) 05:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

You have submitted your draft for review already - please note that there are 425 articles awaiting review and so the review process may take some time. Please feel free to continue working on your draft in the meantime, as the better the draft, the more likely it is to be reviewed and published quickly. Tollens (talk) 05:58, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mr.shaikmeer. Are you somehow either personally or professionally connected to "Dwarka Creations"? If you are connected to the company, please carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure as soon as possible because they might be some important things about Wikipedia that you're not aware of. For reference, I'm asking you about this because you uploaded the company's logo to Wikimedia Commons and claimed it as being your "own work". Why did you do that? -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I Represents the company! Mr.shaikmeer (talk) 06:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

You should take a look at our Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Ca ^{talk to me!} 07:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

On your User page, describe your connection to the company. This can be with the WP:PAID format or just a sentence or two. You removed the over-referencing, which is good. David notMD (talk) 09:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Its not paid ! Im doing out with my Interests. Mr.shaikmeer (talk) 10:21, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

If you represent the company, you are unquestionably a paid editor. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Rating

Is it fair to give same ratings to articles Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah considering the difference in quality of writing between them? Red Round Thing (talk) 10:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

You probably want to assess them against the criteria in Wikipedia:Content assessment, rather than against eachother. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:13, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I believe you haad asked this earlier, when MS was rated Start and JB rated Stub. Subsequently, an editor changed both to C-class. If you believe one is substantially better than the other, look at Content assessment and decide if one should be B-class. Then do it. Ratings up to B-class can be changed by any editor. David notMD (talk) 13:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Heat absorption by melting permafrost?

I'm a retired physician and armchair climate collapse nerd, who just read an excellent piece on "permafrost" melting. Like all the articles on "global warming" I've read, the core issue of global heat energy absorption is not addressed. Copernicus projects that 2/3 of global ice may be gone by 2,100, which extrapolates to 2,138 for total ice free Earth and very rapid temp. rise. We appear to be overloading our air conditioning/cooling system, as 1.2 trillion tons of global ice is melting every year. Why is no-one writing about this fundamental existential phenomenon? 198.179.6.168 (talk) 12:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

If a topic is not present on Wikipedia, it usually just means that no one has written about it yet- though the permafrost article discusses climate change effects. if there is information missing from that article, you may edit it to include that information, or discuss it first on the artice talk page. 331dot (talk) 12:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I think your concern is that, once most of the ice has gone, global warming will accelerate. That hadn't occured to me, though it must have occured to specialists in the field. (For a more obvious downside to melting ice, see Sea level rise).   Maproom (talk) 12:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

From the Ice article: "When ice melts, it absorbs as much energy as it would take to heat an equivalent mass of water by 80 °C. During the melting process, the temperature remains constant at 0 °C. While melting, any energy added breaks the hydrogen bonds between ice (water) molecules. Energy becomes available to increase the thermal energy (temperature) only after enough hydrogen bonds are broken that the ice can be considered liquid water. The amount of energy consumed in breaking hydrogen bonds in the transition from ice to water is known as the heat of fusion." David notMD (talk) 13:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Permafrost contains varying amounts of water and non-water solids. The water, frozen, will have the same heat bufferering effect as ice when it thaws. Some of permafrost composition is carbon (plant matter), which will contribute carbon and methane to the atmosphere once no longer frozen. Consider adding information from the article you read (and a reference) to the effects of permafrost warming at the permafrost article. David notMD (talk) 14:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

moving draft to talk

I have a draft article that I want to move into talk but have not idea as to how to do this. Urbanformlab (talk) 01:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Why do you want to place a draft in talk? 331dot (talk) 02:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello Urbanformlab, and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean Draft:Myer R Wolfe? I guess you mean "mainspace" rather than "talk"? You would do this by the MOVE function, but I think your account may not have made enough edits to have access to that yet.

However, even if you can, I urge you not too move the draft to mainspace: if you do it will at best be reverted to Draft. The problem is that there is as far as I can see not a single source cited that meets the triple criteria of being reliably published, wholly independent of Wolfe, and containing significant coverage of him (see Golden rule)

Without such sources, the draft does not meet wikipedia's criteria for notability, and furthermore there is almost nothing that can validity go in the text of the article. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 03:22, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Urbanformlab Large parts of the draft are unsourced, so that readers cannot verify what is said, which is a core policy. Are you connected to Wolfe in any way, so that you are including unpublished information personally known to you? There are a number of other issues such as external links in the text but these can be fixed, e.g. by turning them into citations. You should remove assertions like the University of Washington School of Architecture was in full effervescence in the post WW II period. unless you can cite these as direct quotations to reliable sources. Don't use "Mike" in the main text: see MOS:SURNAME. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

copyvio, but notable person

I would like some guidance on a page for a person who is notable, but the draft I found is primarily copied from a different source. I originally found the page because it was an expiring draft, and I moved it to the name of the person. So I am culpable here. However, I now realize the page itself is likely a copyvio (per earwig). While not identical to the available text, it's quite close. The page in question is now at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Madeleine_Gans. What's the best path forward? Should I have the page deleted, and start from scratch? Or, have the entire article history removed and go from nothing? The copyvio goes back to the beginning of the article history. DaffodilOcean (talk) 10:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Notability is neither here nor there. If it is a copyvio it should be deleted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

OK, I will request the deletion. Do I then need to take special steps when I create a new page on this person? DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:06, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

No, no special steps. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

A little more help on my first article.

This may be the last question I ask for a while, sorry for the bombardment of questions! I'm asking more as a general question, as I don't feel it's fit to make an AfC help desk request. This is about the draft Draft:Inabakumori, which was originally created by Neeerrrd, but seemingly abandoned.

1. The article was partly translated from the same article on a different language, what would I do to clarify that?
2. While I'm the person mainly working on editing the article, I also got some slight help from people related to the subject, would I need to clarify that/who?
3. While this question may fit more on another page, I'd like to know whether something like Spotify or Booth would be helpful for sourcing the release date of certain songs.

(talk) 22:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

1. You could add an edit summary to a null edit (e.g. add a space to the article) specifying the source of the text

2. You do not need to include a roll-call of helpers. You are responsible for your edits.

3. I don't think either of Spotify or Pixiv / Booth is a reliable source, so, no. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm still working on building the article with sources, so a null edit may not be too helpful as it can be drowned out by other edits that add content, maybe an invisible comment?

After checking through Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources, Spotify doesn't appear on either the known reliable or known unreliable sources, but as it isn't an independent source (as it is directly added by the artist) I will try to seek out ways to replace it. (talk) 15:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Getting into translating

Hello, I made an account a few months ago and decided to try translating an article on the Spanish Wikipedia, https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txoria_txori, because I had been looking for information on this song and noticed that no corresponding article existed on the English Wikipedia. Unfortunately my translation was declined at AfC due to use of copyrighted material. I have been reading Wikipedia policies and now understand that I should not have uncritically translated material from another-language Wikipedia without ensuring that it also fit English Wikipedia criteria (I think the problem is that the Spanish page included the full text of the poem/song, but I am not sure; I also can't remember if I figured out how to actually note that I was translating and not writing. I definitely would have tried to note that, but I might not have noted it correctly.) Since then I've just been doing minor typo fixes and things as I run across them.

I don't have any specific obsession with "Txoria txori" (although I love the song) and am just as interested in translating any other page. I found Category:Articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia and would like to start translating some of those articles. However, from my experience I now know that I cannot trust that an article on another Wikipedia will be acceptable on English Wikipedia. I've looked at the guidance on Wikipedia:Translation but is there anything else I can/should do to make sure that my translations fit Wikipedia standards? For instance could I ask an experienced editor to look at my translations before I add them to an article?

Since my first major edit was ill-informed I am particularly keen to make sure that I follow all policies and don't keep blundering around breaking things.

Thank you for your help. Copyedit & Translate (talk) 23:40, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I hope you do get over the Txoria txori experience; translation is a good means of increasing coverage on EN wikipedia. Worthwhile you checking out Help:Translation. There is not a copyright issue in translating from e.g. Spanish wikipedia, although an edit summary should be used to note that that is what you have done. I can't speak for the Txoria txori experience; perhaps it was song lyrics in the article? But categorically basing an EN WP article on a translation of an ES WP is not a copyright violation. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:46, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the link. That looks very useful. I look forward to doing some better translating! Copyedit & Translate (talk) 15:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

hello, C&T, and welcome to the Teahouse.

If you want to translate an article from another Wikipedia, your best approach is to check that everything in it is referenced, and that the sources are suitable for English Wikipedia (in terms of reliability and independence). Only articles (or sections) that meet those criteria are worth translating. Any other material you can only use if you can find suitable sources for - and you will then need to check whether they are a summary of the sources you have found, or need to be rewritten anyway. ColinFine (talk) 03:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! And thank you for the welcome. Copyedit & Translate (talk) 15:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

computer science

characteristics of computers for awareness 196.107.108.217 (talk) 16:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

You may wish to ask this question at the reference desk, not here. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 16:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Uman

Hi I just fixed the citation issue are you are you able to take a look at my submission and see any ways I can make it stronger to be uploaded. Nabil vega (talk) 15:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Nabil vega, I've removed two long paragraphs as copyright violations. I'm sorry about this, but Wikipedia is obliged to obey the law, and copyright violation is something that editors have a duty to deal with. Maproom (talk) 17:04, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

articles

looks like there is quite a backlog, so no rush, but i have a number of articles outstanding that have not yet been reviewed. Earthscraper and some others if anyone is able to help with this. if i should just keep waiting, that is fine too. i have written a number of articles previously that have all been reviewed just fine, it just seems like recently it is extra backed up. one day, i will need to apply for auto-patrol so that i do not need to contribute to the backlog, but i don't have 25 articles yet. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn You created earthscraper directly in mainspace on 7 December, which you are entitled to do. Had it gone through WP:AfC it would have been reviewed and marked for search engine indexing when accepted. Instead, the new pages patrol will have to get to it (or six months elapse) before it is. WP:AUTOPATROL rights reduce the work of the NPP, which is currently much more backlogged than AfC. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

i am looking forward to being eligible to apply for the WP:AUTOPATROL rights to help with that. as of right now i probably have created around 10 articles, though i forgot how i check just my new articles created. i only know how to check my entire contribution history. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Link at the bottom of your contributions history. https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Iljhgtn --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

one page on there is clearly a redirect, though the link you provided is supposed to "exclude redirects", do you know why that might be? See the one titled "Haorder", that is a redirect. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Need someone to review the draft.

Hey people, so I have created a draft page about the Aras War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Aras_War) and need someone to review it. Thanks. 46.71.216.205 (talk) 16:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

The Teahouse is not a queue jumping service - as your draft clearly states:-

Review waiting, please be patient.

This may take a week or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 407 pending submissions waiting for review.

You just need to be patient, but you are lucky, as the delay is often much longer than a week - Arjayay (talk) 16:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

The draft has previously been Created by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban. Theroadislong (talk) 17:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

The first sentence is a confusing mess. I can figure out what it means, and would rewrite it if I were convinced this draft has a chance of acceptance. Maproom (talk) 17:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk this may help. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Head's) (Slim Shady) 17:21, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Need help with citations

So I was going through random pages and found this page (Daltmar) with no citations but a link to a government website so (after some trial and error) I made that into a citation but then this happened:

CS1 error on Daltmar[edit source]

Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page Daltmar, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows:

A "bare URL and missing title" error. References show this error when they do not have a title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. (Fix | Ask for help) Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, Qwerfjkl (bot) (talk) 15:39, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

So umm what did i do wrong? 50tr5 (talk) 22:19, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@50tr5: You've used the cite web template, but you have not included a title= parameter within it, and so the bots are now on your case. Maybe want title=Cercador, Daltmar ... I've added that just now. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:22, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@50tr5: - Recently I learned about a "neat trick" on that cite web template. If you copy/paste the website's address into the URL box, then click on the little magnify-icon (to right side of box), it will fill in Title and Website name automatically. A great time-saver. Cheers! JoeNMLC (talk) 17:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

how to move from userspace to draftspace

i would like my sandbox to be moved into draftspace, so that other people could help on it Natelabs (talk) 19:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Natelabs: Moved to Draft:Logisim. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

big thanks! Natelabs (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Protection and when to ask for it?

Hi,

For articles that fall under contentious topics list, should you ask for protection of a new article if disruptive edits occur or as soon as the article is written?

United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-10/L.27

@ Encyloedit (talk) 19:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Encyloedit: WP:NO-PREEMPT suggests the first of those - if disruptive edits occur. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Help with vital articles

Am I able to withdraw my own vital article proposal? OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 20:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

My biography is being removed. Why?

My biography is being removed. Why? Taylormadetunes (talk) 19:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Gary Taylor (bassist) · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) · [revisions] Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

It was removed because there were insufficient citations to independent sources evidencing your notability. See, variously, WP:COI, WP:BLP, WP:N, and WP:RS. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

(ec)The comment left by the admin who deleted Gary Taylor (bassist) was: "Expired PROD, concern was: He has worked with notable people, but doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG himself. Small mentions in sources related to them." This was explained on your talk page also, prior to the deletion

So, an editor looked a the article and did not think that the musician passed the specific notability requirements for a musical biography (WP:MUSICBIO) or the more general requirements (WP:GNG), and proposed the article for deletion. The proposed deletion (PROD) was not contested (it was present for at least seven days), so the article was deleted. The sources that mentioned the musician were just in-passing mentions in references that were actually about other musicians. Notability is not inherited.

You can request that the article be undeleted at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion, but if the article does not demonstrate the notability of the musician the article will likely be deleted via either speedy deletion or WP:AFD. Meters (talk) 19:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

See also the autobiography policy. McClenon mobile (talk) 21:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

About source

Hello. For example, can I set up a blog site to verify information about the geography of a lake and add it as a source to Wikipedia? And if I confirm the plants growing in the area with clear photos. Is this against Wikipedia rules? Vartolu3566 (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

It is against the rules. WP:RS is the best place to start. On that page, blogs fall under WP:USERGENERATED. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Unless you happen to be a well-known or respected source about geography, lakes, plants or that particular area- then I'm sorry, you can't. On Wikipedia, we don't allow original research such as this. However, you could always try looking for a reliable source with the information- or maybe contacting an off-wiki expert (such as a local newspaper, perhaps, or a local university), and asking them to dig deeper into the issue. Hope that helps! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Biased sources

Hi guys! I was editing the page about Aba, Nigeria, and I was looking at the section about Aba's source of electricity. I noticed that the last citation in the section seemed to be biased towards a certain power company in the area, and I was wondering if there were any templates that could denote this potentially biased source (in a similar method as ). Thanks! Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 19:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

A biased source isnt necessarily bad as long as opinions are being attributed and facts and claims stated are not extraordinary. I would still try to reword and trim the section slightly assuming no more sources are added. ✶Mitch199811✶ 20:07, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

the only thing i can think of is WP:NPOV, but theres no real "" tag for it Natelabs (talk) 20:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Antrotherkus: Have a look at Tags inline with article text in Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup/Verifiability and sources, here. I've added a tag for now, but if you find a better one, feel free. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

k thanks 😀 Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 20:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

In the answer to my "says who" question (see above), within the 'Inline cleanup tags' is a group for Neutrality including a 'Template:Unbalanced opinion'. Not quite the same but fairly close. BlueWren0123 (talk) 22:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

when to use mama's sauce

(currently related to the lists of pokémon i'm currently editing, but can apply to any piece of media)

do primary sources or ones related to the creation of something (in this case, interviews or social media posts about how ken sugimori wanted to eat a garganacl or something, or pokédex entries i guess) work to establish uncontroversial, in-universe info without fear of it counting as fancruft? cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 19:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I would generally try to aim for documenting the media's effect on real life. I'm guessing for plots and descriptions, something obscure should be backed-up with a secondary source for notability purposes. Any old company or CEO could say some random stuff for PR purposes which the Garganacl claim could easily fall under. ✶Mitch199811✶ 20:02, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

which would mean the lists i've taken more than a quick glance at (for gens 1 and 2) are currently in the exact opposite side of this, with a surprising amount of sources about details no one actually cares about

so info on people's reactions to specific pokémon like "wooper has a big fanbase" or "blaziken got banned to gen 5 ubers" (the latter is currently in the gen 3 list, but unsourced) would be preferred over some sourced info currently in them, like "ivysaur's name is a pun on, and you'll never guess it, ivy and dinosaur" or "frogadier is good at climbing"

seems there's a bit more to do than i initially thought, then

thanks cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 20:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I would say that the Wooper statement would be fine while the Blaziken one might be borderline fancruft as Smogon is not sanctioned by Nintendo though if it applied to some larger issue then maybe it could work. I would say that the Ivysaur statement needs to be better worded to be less snarky. Frogadier seems a bit tangential in isolation so probably should not be included per WP:Out of scope (non-encyclopedic information). ✶Mitch199811✶ 23:37, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Independent sources in sporting events

My draft for the Artistic swimming at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's duet has been declined because it was lacking from independent sources (Only used FINA and Olympics). However when searching for independent sources all of them (although give valuable information about the topic) promote the event more than the Primary sources. Therefor shall I include this sources just because they are independent or should I just resubmit my draft with the original sources? Or what can I do so it is approved but not for including bad independent sources? Pololos29 (talk) 01:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

If there are no independent sources that discuss your topic in depth it may simply be too soon for an article. Esolo5002 (talk) 01:43, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

How to merge two Wikidatas?

How do I merge general council of Puy-de-Dôme (Q2994076) to departmental council of Puy-de-Dôme (Q23782164)? Excellenc1 (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

On the face of it, one deals with a deliberative assembly before May 2015, another the deliberative assembly after May 2015. They are not the same thing. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon But the English article for departmental council is in the general council wikidata. Also, departmental councils are general councils, it's just a name change that happened in 2015. Excellenc1 (talk) 03:21, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@Excellenc1:, you need to have some respect for wikidata data structures, which are often more granular than Wikipedia. Wikipedia is quite sloppy when it comes to the subject matter of articles; WP is happy to throw distinct but related concepts into a single bucket for convenience, when WD treats them as distinct items ... the so-called Bonnie and Clyde problem. Such is the case here - see https://w.wiki/8VSd . All of these 176 items are linked as 88 pairs by follows / followed by statements, and so will not merge, fullstop. The best you could do, I think, would be to standardise on which item - the general council or the departmental council - the WP sitelink should be placed, for WP articles which conflate the two councils as you are doing when you assert that "it's just a name change that happened". --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

adding an offspring to a living person page

Jimmy Pursey - Wikipedia Jimmy Pursey Emma Louise Moore (talk) 12:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi! If I understand what you're referring to correctly, generally children of public figures who are otherwise not notable themselves should not be named in an article, but the number of children may be listed. Remsense留 12:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

We need an independent source stating the number of his children. 331dot (talk) 13:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I can send you the birth certificate - if that's independent. Emma Louise Moore (talk) 11:22, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Emma Louise Moore, it is not published anywhere, so it cannot be used as a source on Wikipedia—and would also be highly inappropriate. You may have a close relation to the subject, in which case you have a conflict of interest and are highly discouraged from editing on this subject. Remsense留 11:24, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

absolutely not the right place to ask this, but whatever

did wikipedia have a technical hiccup just now? i was logged out in the middle of an edit, and couldn't log back in for a while because i was "already logged into another account"... which was the one i was trying to log back into cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 12:32, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:ITSTHURSDAY Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

oh

thanks lol cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 12:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Translating a Page

Hello, I just joined wikipedia community to help people by translating some articles. I just translated one and published it but I still can’t see the page I published. Is there a problem? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Can_isikli/Achilles_Mosaic_(Zeugma)&oldid=1187495900 Can isikli (talk) 08:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Can isikli. The content is in your user space, not in the encyclopedia. It can be found at User:Can isikli/Achilles Mosaic (Zeugma). The prose should be written in complete sentences, and you have some sentences fragments. The section where you recount a myth should be stated as a myth, instead of stated as fact. You need to check the date formats in your references to be sure that you are using date formats accepted by the English Wikipedia. You want to get rid of the red error messages. Your account does not have the necessary experience to add your draft to the encyclopedia. When you have made corrections, submit it through the Articles for Creation process, and it will be reviewed by an experienced editor. Cullen328 (talk) 08:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

And...English Wikipedia has a higher requirement for referencing, so a translation of an accepted article in another language may be declined for insufficient referencing in English. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Also see Help:Translation Lectonar (talk) 13:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Help linking peer review to article talk page after title change

Hi! I requested a peer review of LGBT in the Ottoman Empire, which has now been moved on request to Gender and sexual minorities in the Ottoman Empire. How do I re-link Wikipedia:Peer review/LGBT in the Ottoman Empire/archive1 back to the talk page and close the peer review? Thank you in advance GnocchiFan (talk) 12:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I've moved the review to Wikipedia:Peer review/Gender and sexual minorities in the Ottoman Empire/archive1; hopefully this is the correct procedure? --GnocchiFan (talk) 15:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

resubmission

I just resubmitted an article for reconsideration but made erred in doing. I thought that I could erase the former version in a following window. No such window appeared. So can someone tell me how to withdraw the re-submission and start again to re-submit it? Jmbanner35 (talk) 15:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:History News Service

I have declined the resubmission, which leaves you free to edit it. However if you don't improve the draft based on the feedback you've been provided, you're going to lose access to submit it. The article will not be accepted in anywhere near the shape it currently is. Star Mississippi 15:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

The formatting and referencing could be improved and made acceptable with a bit of work. But any such work will be wasted if you don't start by finding some reliable independent published sources to establish that the subject is notable in Wikipedia's idiosyncratic sense. Maproom (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

passionate page creators, whats your favorite way to find pages worth creating?

Im looking to create pages that are outside the ideas I have/had. Do you ever step outside your normal niche? Curious about others processes. PD Slessor (talk) 22:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

PD Slessor, if you're "passionate" about creating pages, but have no ideas about a page that needs creating, try Wikipedia:Requested articles. Maproom (talk) 23:41, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@PD Slessor: - go for it! There are so many articles that would be worthy, and so few WP editors by comparison. One source of inspiration I have found for biographical articles is to look at who wins the major awards each year. I am Australian, so I look at who wins the Order of Australia, especially at the top level ("Companion"), and the Australian of the Year. Your country probably has something comparable. Then I just look through that list for somebody whose achievements catch my imagination and who doesn't already have an article, or which needs work. This is just one idea; when you find one that "clicks" for you, let us know!--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I forgot to mention - in this case, some of the work is already done for me by other editors, who put up a list when each set of awards is announced. So I can easily spot articles which are missing, or chase up which ones need work, by looking at lists like 2023 Australia Day Honours. Again, check what exists for your country (or your chosen field of interest).--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:38, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@PD Slessor: My best method is to either go to a random article and create an article from a redlink there, or to find some sort of genus with a lot of redlinked species, look online to see if there's any information on any of the species, and create the article about one of them. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 01:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, PD Slessor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Why are you passionate about creating new articles but not about giving some TLC to some of our existing articles? While, certainly, there are many valuable articles that haven't been written, there are also many valuable articles that have been partly written but are not yet very valuable. Creating new articles is not the only - and not even necessarily the best - way of adding value to Wikipedia. (Yes, I know I'm answering "How can I do X?" with "How about doing Y instead?") ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Horace de Balzac -- Odette de Champdivers

Hello, I was doing some research and found a quote from a wikipedia article I am really interested in using. However, I tried following the citation and bought and read the book only to not be able to find the citation. I wanted to ask for help in locating where this citation came from, if maybe I misinterpreted it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odette_de_Champdivers#cite_ref-6 : "According to some authors, Odette wore the clothes of the Queen in the royal bed each night, and Charles did not notice the substitution. Honoré de Balzac refers to her selflessness in one of his earlier novels, La Dernière fée: So Abel was like the King Charles VI, that the little queen Odette de Champdivers consoled him while his Queen Isabeau danced with the Duke of Orléans in the palace where her husband was suffering. Monsieur Horace de Saint-Aubin, (pseudonym de Balzac), A. Bobbée, Paris, 1823, p. 71."

The book La Dernière fée (or, The Last Fay *in english*) does not have any mention of Charles VI, or Odette, or have any close matches to the quote. I have been trying to find other ways to find where this quote came from for about a week and have had no luck. I desperately wanted to reach out and ask for assistance in understanding this, or if maybe it was a faulty citation. Gbh452000 (talk) 17:38, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ghb452000. Using the Wikiblame tool, I can tell you that the quotation and citation were added in this edit on 2009-11-15, by Aldebaran69, who is still active. Perhaps they can explain. ColinFine (talk) 17:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Wiki's help team also reached out to me providing another edition of the book (in french) where the quote actually does show. I read the english translation which did not have the quote nor the surrounding context either. I want to say maybe the translator voided it for some reason, I can't reason why though. Or, maybe, it was just a general error or mistake during the translation process. The few pages from the help team didn't resemble any of the pages in the english version of the book. So, it is perplexing. I'd love to hear back from the original poster, thanks for responding with this! Gbh452000 (talk) 18:07, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

how do i add the "A person who has edited this article seems to be close to the subject" template?

I want to know how since I found a library IP address that edited an article that mentions the library (the page is Pasco County Library Cooperative). I know this since I often go to this library and when looking at the contributions, I saw a lot of Pasco County Library Cooperative. NotABlanker (talk) 13:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

NotABlanker see Template:COI. I recommend installing twinkle which can automatically add these kinds of templates for you. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 14:32, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! NotABlanker (talk) 18:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Android Wikipedia problem

Another problem, when I'm logged in and on for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page or any other Wikipedia page while logged in via the mobile website, none of the buttons on the left work, not main page, random, nearby, settings, watchlist, contributions, log out, or donate. When I press on any of them the sidebar simply closes back up. Bzik2324 (talk) 12:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Have you tried in privacy mode ? It might be a browser extension or something interfering. If it was a general problem, I'm sure a lot more people would have reported about it. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:04, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean privacy mode? Are you referring to incognito? Yes, and it still doesn't work but if I force it into desktop mode then everything works but I obviously need it in the mobile version to work. Bzik2324 (talk) 15:07, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I think what TheDJ was refering to was safe mode. Try appending ?safemode=1 to the end of the URL in your browser. What happens now, @Bzik2324? NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bzik2324. I have done 99% of my editing on Android smartphones for many years, and I always use the desktop mode, which works just fine. In my opinion, "destop mode" is a misnomer, and it should be called "fully functional mode" instead. In 2015, I wrote an essay, User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. Cullen328 (talk) 18:37, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Nonsense on the talk pages

So on the talk page for peanut butter and jelly sandwich an IP edit typed some nonsense:

i hate this sandwhich[edit source] it took my girl and ate my mom 204.101.19.21 (talk) 20:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

So what should i do? (i am still getting the hang of talk pages) 50tr5 (talk) 15:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Remove it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:21, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

oh you can do that? thanks 50tr5 (talk) 15:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Is it considered vandalism? (should I give the user a warning or something) 50tr5 (talk) 15:25, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

If you think it'll help. Wikipedia largely trusts editors to use their discretion, we're running this thing together. Remsense留 15:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

See WP:TALKOFFTOPIC for some guidance. [1] was a good call. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I routinely remove obviously non-constuctive article talk page comments with the edit summary of WP:NOTAFORUM. Cullen328 (talk) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Sources

Hi All,

We are creating a wikipedia page for our company and have sources that we wish to cite that come from the companies physical publications written in the 1950's. I've searched the web and newspaper archives and cannot verify or cross reference some of the information. Will those sources be accepted or do they need to be published online? Do we need to send the sources to be verified by a third party?

Any advice would be much appreciated. 81.158.243.113 (talk) 11:15, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Please do not create a Wikipedia article for your company, as it constitutes a conflict of interest. Reliable sources not closely related to a subject are required to verify claims and establish notability. Remsense留 11:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Company documents (annual reports, etc.) are not considered independent, and can be used for only simple facts. References can be to published documents that are not online, for example old newspaper articles that are in the archives of a public library. Also, Wikipedi has no "We". More than one person can work on a draft, but each needs own account. And, must declare paid relationship to the company - see WP:PAID. WP:NCORP also applies. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Be aware that if you do succeed in creating an article about the company, neither you nor the company 'own' the article; if there is content with valid references about events the company would not want in the article - no authority to remove. David notMD (talk) 14:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

yes If you make a page about your company it will likely be the top of the search results (for better or worse) 50tr5 (talk) 15:20, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

We are creating a wikipedia page for our company *cough cough* Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (Slim Shady) 16:38, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I fail to understand how this was helpful or productive when the link was already provided earlier. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:12, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

sorry, didn't notice Remsense had also provided a link to COI, sorry. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (Slim Shady) 18:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

OpenStreetMaps

On articles for several cities like Istanbul the city with the city limits highlighted isn't showing up correctly on my screen on the OpenStreetMaps section, it just shows the ocean. What's wrong? I'm using the latest version of Chrome on Android btw. Bzik2324 (talk) 10:39, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I can replicate the problem (in any browser on Mac); Istanbul seems to be in the Gulf of Guinea. I couldn't find an obvious problem, but someone will hopefully come along soon who actually knows their stuff. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:15, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm having that same problem. 2600:6C50:4800:1052:E803:1E00:4728:362F (talk) 11:43, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

(Same here). I don't know if it was the correct place to ask but, I've notified the Village pump (technical) about this situation. Maybe someone there can resolve the issue. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 12:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

It sounds as if something is failing to read the correct co-ordinates (or they aren't entered) somewhere, so is defaulting to Null Island. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 19:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Question regarding the understanding of Orphan pages.

Greetings everyone, hopefully you all are doing well. I want to understand the application of orphaning and de-orphaning the Wikipedia pages. Some of the pages I have seen having orphan tags, have a lot of links to them, yet the tag is there, and in one case it was introduced after links were introduced to the page by another editor.

It has become very confusing, any help is highly appreciated. Thank you. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 21:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Orphan#Criteria: "It is now recommended to only place the {{Orphan}} tag if the article has zero incoming links from other articles." It gets misapplied a lot, which is a shame. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Indeed it is. Also this has contributed in confusion as well. Thanks a lot. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 21:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ms.Aloisia: You removed an orphan tag from Megan Aubale Epstein claiming "per Wikipedia:Orphan#Criteria".[2] But the article has zero incoming links from other articles so it clearly satisfies the criteria. I have restored the tag. Please be more careful. If you think that article has incoming links from other articles then you have misunderstood something. We can clear up what if you say why you think it does. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:17, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, yes, but also per Wikipedia:Orphan "Editors may also remove the tag from any article if they believe that de-orphaning is unlikely to be successful" and in this case we're dealing with a completely non-notable subject, a real-estate agent who is vanishingly unlikely to be linked to from any other article because of her thorough non-notability. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

It was her 20th edit. I don't really think she is qualified to judge "de-orphaning is unlikely to be successful". And considering her posts here, I guess she did think there was at least one article link. If the subject is non-notable then the article can be deleted. If the subject is notable then it might be added to e.g. List of people from Sacramento, California#Business. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:07, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ms.Aloisia: - To clarify orphan vs. not orphan, check out Database reports/Orphans with incoming links report. Most articles listed may have already been de-orphaned by other editors as that daily-bot only updates the report every 4-days or so. Important – the only sure way to verify if an article is an orphan is "What links here" (alt-shift-j). Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 23:53, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter It is more likely that you are right. I will re-visit Orphan to develop a better understanding of incoming links. As you have pointed out, I am new here, I am willing to learn and do better. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.

@Tagishsimon and @JoeNMLC thank you. @JoeNMLC I will look into it, thank you. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 17:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunterPlease do clarify, what is meant by incoming links? Thank you Ms.Aloisia (talk) 17:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ms.Aloisia: and @PrimeHunter - Here's an example from Jim Kalafat article that you added to Wikipedia. At that article page, under "Tools", look & click on "What links here". It displays a list of articles that have "Jim Kalafat" as a wikilink within those articles. So at Jim Kalafat article, those are considered to be "incoming links". Hope this helps. Cheers! JoeNMLC (talk) 17:36, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @JoeNMLC. Just so I understand correctly, an incoming link is if the subject is mentioned on another page and that name is linked to their page, so people browsing the other page could land on their page. Right? and also, if a subject of a page is not mentioned anywhere else on the Wikipedia, it would be considered as the orphan? Ms.Aloisia (talk) 18:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ms.Aloisia: - Yes, that's right. Another example, at Article-A looking at "What links here" shows Article-B, Article-C, Article-D. So Article-A is not an orphan. Whereas if Article-A shows no incoming links from other articles, then Article-A is an orphan. Wishing you well on your new Wiki-adventure! Btw, the Teahouse here is a really great place to have questions answered. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:12, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok... Thanks A lot @JoeNMLC.Thanks for the wishes. I have already found the community very helpful. Cheers. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 20:25, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Why is my proposed username “blacklisted from creation”?

I’m trying to create an account called “newmfindahouse”. However, when I type it into the “create account” screen, it says the name is “blacklisted from creation”. Why is that? 49.144.198.51 (talk) 05:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Likely because of the string "wmf" (an abbreviation for the Wikimedia Foundation) present in the username – if I remove any of those three characters it appears to allow the use of the username. Tollens (talk) 05:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

This is a subgenre of the Scunthorpe problem. Folly Mox (talk) 06:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Well known 1996 problem. Big hand for the WMF filter designers for whom this is new news. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:11, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Your username idea is reasonable, you can request it at Wikipedia:Request an account. I hope this helps, happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I think I'm banned and don't know why

I can't seem to create an account, can't log in to an account (possibly because I just created one today, but I think I was banned beforehand?), and couldn't contact the admins to ask them to unban me. I really don't understand why. I made one anonymous edit, a minor formatting change to the Polari wiki, and I don't know if that went through. I did accidentally attempt to create three accounts, because I thought i was banned for the account name I had chosen and was just changing my account name. Was I maybe banned for my accidental sock puppetry? I think I appealed it right, but I'm not sure? Please help, I'm just a very confused but probably harmless newbie. 2600:8801:C900:CD4:9517:95C0:66D8:9318 (talk) 18:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like an innocent mistake, possibly even a systems glitch, and I hope you get it sorted out soon, but please be aware that bans and blocks apply to the offending person, not merely the account or device they are using, and that creating new accounts, or IP-editing, to get around them contravene Wikipedia's Terms of Use and are viewed extremely sternly.

If in future you are banned or blocked (and it can happen for inadvertant offences), you will be given instructions on how to appeal: follow them and do not try to game the system, the editors, admins and sysops have 20+ years' experience dealing with tens of thousands of would-be rule-breakers. Good luck and welcome to Wikipedia! {The poster formerly known as 87.81`.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 20:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

If you're still having troubles either creating an account or editing, please feel free to come back here with the text of the message you're receiving. That will allow us to help you better. Madam Fatal (talk) 21:04, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Warn people about scams

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Hi I'm attempting to edit a page about James H. Dickinson. People are using his name, image, and likeness to scam people out of money. According to Facebook, and Quora, it's been going on for over 2 years. They target women and start a romantic relationship with them online. Then create some kind of crazy situation where they need money. My edit to his page was immediately removed. They said it wasn't constructive!?!? How is warning people against fraud not constructive? How can I get my edit to stick? Thanks! Wy80 (talk) 19:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Long discussion concluding that the edit is not going to stick
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a) you'd need a reliable source and b) your addition was poorly formatted, poorly phrased, not what an encyclopedia is about. I get that for some reason you are concerned about this issue, but that does not licence you to add arm-wavey scare adverts in an encyclopedia article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Arm-wavey scare adverts? lol really? Google it. This is factual information, and I don't want women to continue to be sucked into this. There are multiple Quora questions and responses about this being a scam. There are facebook pages dedicated to warning people, and an older friend has been talking to 'him' for 6 months. I'm not trying to add an "arm-wavey scare adverts." I'm trying put up a stop sign. If it wasn't properly formatted, ok. I didn't know there was a specific way to format my edit. Do you want to help me with that instead of being the red tape that allows scammers to get away with elder abuse? Wy80 (talk) 19:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC) WP:NOTFORUM. A wikipedia article is not the place to warn users about Scams. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (Slim Shady) 19:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Why not? It's a fact that there is a James H. Dickinson scam out there, and has been swindling women for at least two years. Wikipedia has an opportunity to help stop it. Why wouldn't they provide factual information to stand in the way of the frauds? Wy80 (talk) 19:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Why not[?], simple: as I linked, WP:NOTFORUM. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news site. if there's stuff like Facebook groups warning people, then that's good enough. What you did was removed for breaking NOTFORUM, not some "red tape" agend. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (Slim Shady) 19:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC) I'm not writing a news story about the women who have been hurt. I'm stating a fact. So that people aren't hurt. You are standing in the way of the truth, and standing behind a rule that doesn't even apply here. You are helping the bad guys. Congrats. Wy80 (talk) 20:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC) standing behind a rule that doesn't even apply here[.] WP:NOTFORUM is a rule that very much applies here, since you are using the article as a forum, trying to include some sorta warning on the top of the article. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (Red Tape) 20:11, 14 December 2023 (UTC) I'm not using it as a forum. I'm adding a fact. It is a fact that scammers are using his name, image, and likeness to swindle women out of money. Just as it is fact that he was born in Colorado. I know no other military officers that the scammers are using, and there I'm not trying to warn others about any other scams. This isn't and 'advert', it is an attempt to help people NOT get scammed. Wy80 (talk) 20:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC) There are other ways to warn people, ones that don't involve Vandalism. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (Red Tape) 20:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC) This isn't vandalism! And yes, there are other ways to warn people, but wiki is a major source people look to for information. So it would go a long way in preventing people getting hurt if there was a warning on the page. I've also had the victim, I personally know, report her experience to the appropriate government offices. I've also reached out to people I know at spaceforce to see if they know, and are doing anything about it. Wy80 (talk) 20:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC) This isn't vandalism! yes it is. adding unrelated, and unwanted/un-needed things to articles is vandalism. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (D12) 20:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC) unrelated? It's about a scam that is using HIS name. So very related. Unwanted/un-needed? I'm sure the women looking him up would find it very helpful and wanted to know they could be victims of a scam. They would see it as needed to stop them from continuing to participate in the scam. Wy80 (talk) 20:55, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Which other military officer articles would you like this advert to go on, @Wy80:? Looking at the edit, it's not written well, and lacks sources.the edit Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (Slim Shady) 19:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC) It is not particularly appropriate content for an encyclopedia article. I'm completely unmoved by your wholly bogus appeal to stop being 'the red tape that allows scammers to get away with elder abuse?' Adding a warning to the encyclopedia article is not going to mitigte anything. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:53, 14 December 2023 (UTC) But it could. When a woman google James H. Dickinson and finds his Wiki page that points to the scam. Then she would know, and stop communicating with him. It's that simple. But because you don't like the way it was written, or fee like it is appropriate for an encyclopedia (red tape), more and more women will be hurt. You're allowing the bad guys to win, and take advantage of older women. Wy80 (talk) 19:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC) But it could. Just because It could, doesn't mean it should. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (Slim Shady) 20:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC) So you don't think wiki should be part of the solution to internet crime? The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men do nothing. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wikipedia/en/A/Special:Search?title=The_only_thing_necessary_for_evil_to_triumph_in_the_world_is_that_good_men_do_nothing&redirect=no#:~:text=Talk-,The%20only%20thing%20necessary%20for%20evil%20to%20triumph%20in%20the,that%20good%20men%20do%20nothing&text=Redirect%20to%3A,When%20good%20men%20do%20nothing%22 Wy80 (talk) 20:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Thats a redirect page for Edmund Burke. So you don't think wiki should be part of the solution to internet crime?, mayhaps, but in different ways, ways that aren't vandalism and violate the rules. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (Red Tape ;)) 20:04, 14 December 2023 (UTC) It was a joke, because you didn't like that I didn't have sources to my origingal post. I was quoting Edmond Burke and using Wiki to prove that I was quoting Edmond Burke. This isn't vandalism. It's fact. You are helping evil triumph. Wy80 (talk) 20:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC) You are helping evil triumph. I guess so. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (Red Tape) 20:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Wy80, I get that you are concerned about this, and want to warn people. However, as you have been told several times, Wikipedia is not the place to do this: see RIGHTGREATWRONGS. If the particular scam has been written up by a reliable source (which Facebook and Quora are not), you could add something to the article along the lines of "According to John Doe in the Metropolis Times, a scam using Dickinson's name has been in existence since ..." etc., with a citation to the source. But if it has not been written about in a reliable source, then it does not belong in Wikipedia, period, and adding it repeatedly would be disruptive editing. ColinFine (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Thank you. Unfortunately, no one from what you call a 'reputable source' is going to write about this scam unless hundreds of more women are affected. Even then, it probably still wouldn't be written about. These things are too prevalent in today's world. Also, I'm a believe that if we as a community stand up against the bad guys trying to hurt people we can actually make a difference. Wiki could be a part of that. It would be so simple. So again I say the reason evil is allowed to triumph is because we are doing nothing. We are allowing red tape "wrong format" "not the place" to get in the way. I believe every place is the right place to stand up to injustice. Every place is the right place to stand up to evil. Regardless of how well it is formatted, or written. Wy80 (talk) 21:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Wikipedia could solicit donations to save the environment, or provide phone number listings, or any number of other things that would be useful to society. But one website cannot be all things to all people - this one has chosen to be an encyclopedia, and those other ways of helping are off-mission here and must be left to others. We have a often cited essay about this, you can find it at WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS for more details. MrOllie (talk) 21:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Right, and an encyclopedia includes facts. Which is all I'm trying to add. Wy80 (talk) 21:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Any encyclopedia is not an WP:INDISCRIMINATE collection of facts. MrOllie (talk) 21:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC) theres a difference between the facts we have, and the facts you want to add. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (D12) 21:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Perversely, adding information about a scam could help the scammers. Because if they moved on to another target, they could say, "See, this is legit, there's no scam warning about me like there is about person X." —C.Fred (talk) 21:13, 14 December 2023 (UTC) @Wy80: you are right that this is an absolutely enormous problem. But there are two issues with using Wikipedia to draw attention to it. Firstly, such a wide range of military personnel are used by romance scammers that we'd need a warning on more-or-less every senior US military officer who's ever had a photo of them taken in uniform (not to mention untold numbers of 50's guys in hard hats who get used by romance scammers claiming to be oil engineers). But secondly, and more usefully, there are a lot of dedicated sites drawing attention to romance scammers and advertising the latest personae and photographs that they're using. It is these sites where you should be posting anything you know. Elemimele (talk) 21:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC) ... if you get stuck trying to find these anti-scam sites, I will happily help doing the Google searching. But the other, major problem that you will encounter is that the scammers are very good at what they do. They lure (mostly) women into trusting them over long periods of time, building trust, patiently. Then they spring their trap. It is extremely difficult for a woman to believe that she has been duped, and many, even if Wikipedia carried the warning in block capitals, will still believe that's what happens to everyone else, not them. But please, use the anti-scam sites. They are genuinely fighting these awful scammers, who are utterly the pits. Elemimele (talk) 21:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC) ... and finally, Wikipedia is documenting the situation, at Romance scam, but we have to do it our way, properly sourced and from the viewpoint of an encyclopaedia, not a campaign organisation. Many of us editors, though, are genuinely ethical people who do care. This just isn't a campaign site. Elemimele (talk) 21:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC) While I'm glad the Romance scam site exists, it isn't helping in big enough way. Because again, the people being scammed don't know enough about the internet to look for these kind of things. Wy80 (talk) 21:39, 14 December 2023 (UTC) The older women barely know to google the person who they are talking to. They don't know about anti-scam sites. Wiki has a platform people know about and can be used to post factual information so they aren't hurt, but instead are choosing not to. Claiming it isn't the place. But again I go back to EVERY place is the place to fight injustice. EVERY place is the place to say "bad guys are not welcome here." Wy80 (talk) 21:38, 14 December 2023 (UTC) The older women barely know to google the person who they are talking to. What makes you think they would know to look them up on Wikipedia? —C.Fred (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC) If you google. Wiki is one of the first sites to come up. It is a big platform. Hence, important to put this kind of factual information up front. Wy80 (talk) 21:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC) So why not have warnings on every high ranking military person? If it gets in the way of bad guys winning, what is the problem? If it stops one older woman from being hurt, why not? Wy80 (talk) 21:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC) There's no good evidence that it would stop one older women from being hurt. And stopping older women from being hurt is not wikipedia's mission. There are all sorts of things that wikipedia could do but does not. This is just one of them. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:38, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Again, I'm going to go back to the only thing evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing. It is a fact about this man. This man is being used in a scam. It a fact like the color of his eyes. Only no one is going to be helped by knowing the color of his eyes. They will be helped knowing his name is part of a scam. Wy80 (talk) 21:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Not happening, for all the reasons specified above. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC) We're not doing nothing, many of us are doing something, but in the right place. These older women are quite knowledgeable with computers, they are often meeting scammers in online casual gaming sites (scrabble etc.). If you want to do something, use the sites that fight scamming, write to the Nigerian embassy (or a number of other countries). But sticking warnings on military personnel won't help. If people can't google, they won't find the Wikipedia page either. Plaster it all over facebook, you can put what you want there, and that's another place where many of the victims hang out. Elemimele (talk) 21:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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Password troubles

Hey! It appears that i have forgotten my password, but in order to change it, i need to know my current password... – Kilaseell - Message me! - 21:36, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kilaseell: If you have an email address linked to your account, you should be able to reset your password that way – otherwise there is unfortunately no way to do so without your current password. Your browser may have your password saved, you might consider checking to see if that is the case. Tollens (talk) 21:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kilaseell: I see you have not stored an email address. You also need a password for that. If you use Template:Committed identity while you are still logged in then a developer may (no promises) be willing to set an email address for you later so you can use Special:PasswordReset. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm now unfortunately logged out. Is there any other way to get the account back? –2001:14BB:67C:F336:A184:2A1E:A96B:3439 (talk) 19:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

If you haven't made a logged in edit which can be used as evidence that it's you then it looks bad. I doubt the developers would give control of an account to somebody who has no good evidence of being the owner. I only mentioned the option because the account has 3500 Wikimedia edits. Normally we just tell users to create a new account if they forget their password and have no working email stored. There is one redeeming factor, the account made the above logged in edit [3] saying they forgot the password and wanted help. You could try creating another account first and use it to make a Phabricator request to set an email address for Kilaseell while linking this discussion, but you risk it's wasted time everyone involved. If you aren't strongly attached to the account then I suggest just using a new account and mentioning the connection on the user pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

When should you update a person's image on Wikipedia?

An official sports team has recently been uploading creative commons YouTube videos of their own recorded footage of their players. Some of these players have wikipedia pages where their pictures are over 10 years old now. Should I update their pages with new pictures or should the current pictures stay up? People that I'm mainly talking about are footballers Lawrence Thomas and Mitchell Duke. MantasKutop (talk) 02:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd encouage you to upload to wikimedia commons any additional images for footballers (or anyone or anything), irrespective of whether they'll be used immediately. If they're well described, categorised and ideally have structured data, they stand a chance of being found by any of the several hundred wikimedia platforms having access to commons. As to the situation on EN wikipedia articles, I'd be inclined to use the best quality image in the footballer's infobox; but there's no problem, if article size permits, in having additional images elsewhere in the article. Mitchell Duke has quite a long article; lots of space for additional images in it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi MantasKutop. If the players are still living and the images currently being used in their articles are freely licensed, then replacing them with a different equivalent freely licensed image is possible. You can either be WP:BOLD and do so, or you can be WP:CAUTIOUS and propose the change on each article's corresponding talk page. If you do decide to be WP:BOLD and are subsequently reverted by another user, you should follow WP:DR and engage in discussion on the article's talk page.

Of course, what I just posted all depends on whether those YouTube images your referring to are actually freely licensed (as defined here and here). If they're not released under on of the free licenses that Wikipedia accepts, then you would not be able to use them per Wikipedia's non-free content use policy (even if the individuals in question are now dead) because free equivalent images exist. You need to be very careful with content found on YouTube because it's often uploaded without the consent of the original copyright holder, which means it can't uploaded for use in Wikipedia articles. Even content found on official YouTube channels can be tricky sometimes unless clear that it's 100% the original work of YouTube Channel account holder and not a WP:Derivative work encorporating copyrighted content created by someone else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Potential clash in creative commons content on YouTube?

A YouTube channel for the Western Sydney Wanderers football club uploads creative commons videos to YouTube. Sometimes they upload highlights provided straight from the broadcaster (Channel 10 and Paramount+). Would taking images from those videos be allowed to be uploaded to Wikimedia or are they not? MantasKutop (talk) 23:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

If you suspect that an uploader is engaging in copyfraud, then on a precautionary principle you should not upload that content to wikipedia. Western Sydney Wanderers slapping a licence on content they do not own does not licence the content under the licence they apply. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

It's the official YouTube channel of the club playing in said league. Wasn't sure if they had some sort of agreement on the rights of the highlights package or anything though. MantasKutop (talk) 00:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

MantasKutop I have no idea about images, as I haven't attempted to add any for 10 years, plus I can't understand how people get around the rules, or what licences I would need to mention if I downloaded an image, and uploaded it here or on Commons...

However I do know that even big companies steal things which don't belong to them.

American companies steal things a lot, and somehow get away with it, without being sued by the spineless British companies they steal from. Which companies am I talking about? Specifically HBO and Netflix. Who do they steal from? Usually Channel 4 and Sky, as those are the two networks they have deals with, however they occasionally steal from the BBC and ITV too.

What do they steal? They steal footage from British shows which they will be distributing at a later date to make "official" trailers, and splash their logos all over the place.

Within a day or two those unofficial trailers will have been removed after a copyright claim by the British companies who actually own the footage, and didn't give HBO/Netflix permission to make an "official" trailer, but by then it's too late, as they've been reuploaded by countless unofficial channels which somehow manage to stay up.

If I was those British networks, I'd follow the Americans example and sue the hell out of them, as they do it all the time and think they're untouchable. Danstarr69 (talk) 09:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

In general, you should assume incompetence with regard to copyright licensing to most such content. The organisations generally mean that the parts of the video that they themselves produced are licensed that way, not the entire broadcast. Sometimes this is stated in the description or in some copyright disclaimer on their website as well. There are a lot of organisations that do not fully understand what it means to license content and that regularly engage in copyfraud/copyright theft. When in doubt, you can always ask an organization if they can confirm that they have acquired a right to perpetually sublicense the content of the 3rd party in question (to which 99.9% of the time the answer will be no). —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm worried that I might be being a bit harsh on some people.

Title. Scribbie (talk) 09:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Scribbie, I went through a decent bit of your recent reverts and templates randomly and they all look decent to me :D If you are worried about being too harsh, feel free to type a personalized message out instead of templating, especially if you feel like the user you are reverting is acting in good faith.

Really solid work considering you've registered less than a day ago, hope you'd like it here and happy editing! Justiyaya 09:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

An Edit summary with "what the hell is this?" comes across as harsh, but otherwise you are spot-on, with correct use of templates. Welcome to Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 10:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Page Review!

Guys can anybody Review this Page Draft:VJ Sunny Please! Mr.shaikmeer (talk) 14:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mr.shaikmeer: given that you've already submitted it for AfC review, it will be reviewed in due course, you don't need to flag it up here at the Teahouse. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't know how to do redirects

Can anybody help, i really dont understand RoyalPeach (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@RoyalPeach what article are you trying to move? I'd be happy to help, sometimes there are technical restrictions, for example on protected pages. Wikipedia:Moving a page has more info. Happy editing and moving pages! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:50, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

See Help:Redirect. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:55, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm trying to make a new page for "Galaxy Buds 2 Pro" and make it reidrect to "Galaxy Buds: Galaxy buds 2 pro" RoyalPeach (talk) 21:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@RoyalPeach you first need to make a stable article. Currently the draft Draft:Galaxy Buds 2 Pro was deleted but can be retrieved with a request at WP:REFUND. But you'll need to make sure it adheres to WP:YFA. Afterwards we can help with redirecting. Don't get discouraged! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@RoyalPeach, are you trying to redirect to Samsung_Galaxy_Buds_series#Galaxy_Buds_2_Pro? Valereee (talk) 15:09, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

G-11 error when publishing an article

It has been 2 months since I wanted to upload an article and I still have not been able to do it because of error messages of "promotion or advertising" I tried to modify it many times but they keep deleting it. After it is deleted, is it possible to edit it and upload it correctly? If I can't upload it after many times, can I contact someone to upload it for me? LucasEmanuelRocca (talk) 11:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

You have been asked numerous times not to try to use Wikipedia for advertising, so I suggest you stop now rather than waste your time. Please follow the links provided on your talk page to further understand the policies and procedures to follow in order to create an acceptable Wikipedia article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

The idea is to identify what generates the promotion and eliminate it, the question is, is it possible to create an article of a Nano Nuclear Energy company inside wikipedia? as long as the answer is yes, you have to try until you get it, right? LucasEmanuelRocca (talk) 12:13, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Now that you've followed the links on your talk page and have digested the material, LucasEmanuelRocca, let's consider your draft. You wrote: Founded in 2021, NANO Nuclear Energy Inc. started with the intention of advancing its research projects in the field of nuclear energy to more advanced stages of development, including the creation of reactor prototypes. That came with no reference. Would you want to retain it (or something like it) as part of your next version? If so, would you alter it in some way; and if so, then alter it to what, exactly? -- Hoary (talk) 12:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I've edited it several times, looking for a neutral point of view, the initial text is as follows: "It is a private company founded in 2021 by Jay Jiang Yu. It is a micro reactor technology start-up based in New York, USA, with a vision to become a commercially focused, diversified and vertically integrated technology-driven nuclear energy company. The company's goal is to develop smaller, cost-effective and safer advanced portable clean energy solutions using novel and proprietary reactor designs." Which of the two texts is better for wikipedia, why? LucasEmanuelRocca (talk) 12:20, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:MISSION pretty much summarises why neither is acceptable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Have you tried looking at an article for a similar entity, and comparing how yours sounds very different in tone compared to it? Remsense留 02:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Of course I've tried it! But they still keep deleting it LucasEmanuelRocca (talk) 10:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

You had a conflict of interest declaration on your User page, but then removed it. This action is valid only if you are ending your intention to create an article about Nano Nuclear Energy Inc. David notMD (talk) 13:06, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

That's right, I already finished 5 different versions of the article and tried uploading it on multiple occasions, I deleted it because I thought that because of this statement I was deleting it LucasEmanuelRocca (talk) 10:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I have INDEFFed as user STILL does not understand that it's their writing and not an error message. An unconnected editor is of course welcome to write about NANO if they are notable. Star Mississippi 17:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Replacing & updating a logo

Hello! I noticed that a logo for an organization that I am involved with is incorrect here, on Wikipedia. I am wondering how I can go about replacing it? The new logo has already been uploaded to the commons, just not sure how to replace. Maoh5 (talk) 16:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Maoh5 – Hello! Could you provide us with the name of the organization and the file on Commons? If so, you can simply replace the old file on that article (marked in Wikitext: [[File:(insert name here).format]]) with the new one (marked in Wikitext: [[File:(new file here).format]]). Thanks! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 16:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! The organization is:

Birthright Israel - their Wiki page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_Israel

The updated / new logo is:

Thumbnail: REDACTED as copyright violation

and can be found at the following link https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Birthright_Israel_Logo.jpg

Is there some way to update the page to have this logo? Maoh5 (talk) 16:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Maoh5 – Thanks for letting me know. I did some searching myself and came across the same file; unfortunately I would wait on adding the logo to the article because it does not appear to be free media—therefore this image needs to be discussed on Commons. Should it be deleted, we need to upload a local copy of the image aligning with fair use policy. For now, please keep the outdated logo; if we find out this is free media feel free to add it. My apologies, and thanks! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 16:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Maoh5, it depends on whether the file is available under a free license.

If it's freely licensed:

1. Add a link on the file's page to somewhere on the birthrightisrael.com website showing the CC license listed.
2. When you go to update the page Birthright Israel, you will likely get a message about the page being protected. Click the "Submit an edit request link".
3. On the edit request page you will type something like "Replace File:Birthright Israel.jpg (outdated logo) with File:Birthright Israel Logo.jpg (current logo)."

If it's used as fair use:

1. Upload it directly to Wikipedia as a "non-free file" here: Wikipedia:File upload wizard Wikipedia hosts fair use images; Wikimedia Commons does not. The files on the Commons are used by other projects, like Spanish Wikipedia, that do not accept fair use media.
2. Select the fair use option in the upload wizard.
3. Select the "logo of an organization" option.
4. You may need to fill out {{Non-free use rationale logo}} for the file's summary.
5. Depending on the image's resolution, a bot will likely scale the image down. This is done for all fair use images.
6. When you go to update the page Birthright Israel, you will likely get a message about the page being protected. Click the "Submit an edit request link".
7. On the edit request page you will type something like "Replace File:Birthright Israel.jpg (outdated logo) with File:Birthright Israel Logo.jpg (current logo)."

Feel free to ask questions, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 17:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I have deleted the huge version of the logo, which is not needed hereMike Turnbull (talk) 16:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

The logo on commons is marked for speedy deletion as a copyvio. I've removed it from this thread. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Back-and-forth between different (the same?) people

I have been aware of a kind of slow edit war on Logan (film) going on this past week. Trying to communicate with someone who is being disruptive but I don't know if what I'm doing is useful either - or if I have the right person. It seems like multiple users are adding back the same words with the same edit summary. Where should I go with this? I feel like the people (person?) on the other end has good intentions based off other contributions. Reconrabbit (talk|edits) 17:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Reconrabbit: Welcome to the Teahouse! The best place to talk about the content of a given article is the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:Logan (film)). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Quick Facts

Newbie here. I see some articles have quick facts some don''t. How is that created? Where might I have looked to find this information on my own, outside the Teahouse?

Example of article that has Quick Facts Box: Sol Tax

Example of article that does not have Quick Facts Box (the article I want to edit eventually): Omer Stewart Crawlstart (talk) 19:06, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Please define "quick facts," do you mean "Did you know?" You can nominate an article for that. Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (DANTE) 19:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

They're called infoboxes; in this instance see {{Infobox scientist}} --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. The answers below understood my question, Crawlstart (talk) 20:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Crawlstart: Welcome to the Teahouse! When I see something on a page and want to learn how it was created, I click the "Edit source" tab at the top of the page and review the source code. Once you see a template named {{Infobox scientist}}, you can then go to Template:Infobox scientist and discover more information in its documentation. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Crawlstart (talk) 20:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello Crawlstart, your main question appears to have been answered. In response to your secondary question, the information is covered here: Help:Infobox Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 19:36, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Perfect. Is there a way for me to "turn off" my question now? Should I do that? it does seem as though my question has been thoroughly answered. Crawlstart (talk) 20:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Crawlstart: There's no need to "turn off" your question. After a couple days of no further responses, this section will be archived. GoingBatty (talk) 20:21, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

articles "moved" to main space to bypass submission by AFC

Is there a tool that can search for articles moved to main space by underpriviliged users to avoid AFC scrutiny. 86.142.106.76 (talk) 20:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Doubtful. But then the premise of your enquiry is doubtful. Users who have the capacity to move drafts to mainspace are entitled to do so. Users who do not wish to go through AfC are entitled not to go through AfC. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks... Make stcky 86.142.106.76 (talk) 20:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Adding an image to Wikipedia

Greetings. I am working on a page for an individual, and one of the items I would like to include is a coat of arms that he was awarded by the Canadian Heraldic Authority with an adoption date, an escutcheon, crest, motto, flag, and badge.

I understand that images should be on Wikipedia for appropriate use. I am relatively "young" in terms of Wikipedia content management and wish to add this coat of arms to the page currently in my editing space.

Instructions and/or additional feedback greatly appreciated!

ChristopherMaylor ChristopherMaylor (talk) 22:47, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Chrismaylor. You might want to ask about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology because there are two things that are important (as explained here) when it comes to images of coats of arms and their associated copyright status: the blazon and the emblazon. The blazon is the written definition of the coat of arms; in other words, it decribes the elements of the coat of arms and how they are combined together; the emblazon, on the other hand, is someone's visual rendition of a coat of arms based on its blazon. When it comes to copyright, pretty much all blazons are considered to be ineligible for copyright protect since they are nothing more than a definition so to speak; individual emblazons, however, can and often are eligible for copyright protection because they represent someone's individual and creative interpretation of a blazon. This is important when it comes to images of coat of arms because emblazons created by someone other than yourself can't be uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons without the consent of the copyright holder (the creator of the emblazon) or being able to clearly show that the image is within the public domain (i.e. either was never eligible or is no longer eligible for copyright protection) because of its age, lack of originality (creative input) or some other reason. It also matters when it comes to Wikipedia:Non-free content because one of the criteria for non-free content use is that non-free content is needed because a free equivalent image capable of serving the same encyclopedic purpose as a non-free one can neither be found nor created. This matters with respect to coats of arms because a free equivalent image is almost always deemed possible because anyone can, in principle, create their own emblazon from a blazon and then release it under a free license that Wikipedia accepts. Of course, some emblazons might be rather crappy in comparison to others, but the possibility of a good representative emblazon (at least good enough for Wikipedia's purposes) being created does exist. That is why I suggest you as the Heraldy/Vexillogy WikiProject about this because that's where you're likely going to find Wikipedias experienced in creating embazons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

This is a very comprehensive reply and I appreciate it. I will do as you suggest, and take this question to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology side. Also, the information you shared confirms my initial reason for asking before doing.

Cheers! ChristopherMaylor (talk) 21:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Can I please get some feedback on a new article

 Courtesy link: Old Cork Homestead

Hi,

I have just made a new page, can I get some help / feedback please

Old Cork Homestead - Wikipedia Aviator66 (talk) 12:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Most of the last two paragraphs are irrelevant; the first sentence only is pertinent. External links need anchors (i.e. text within the square brackets telling us what each is). Not sure what the weird template in the top right is. Does Queensland Political Portraits, St Lucia really evidence this homestead? It's an international encyclopedia, but you neglect to say in which country this structure is found. The article lacks categories. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:36, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Aviator66. I have made some minimal cosmetic changes, removing the multiple //https: from the front of the "external links" and making them visible, and removing the ones that are internal links. But the article is not currently acceptable because of the lack of inline citations. I am dubious that any of the External references are appropriate either: see WP:ELYES. ColinFine (talk) 12:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

ColinFine, I think it is important to note that your "not currently acceptable because of the lack of inline citations" is not supported by guielines. Per Wikipedia:Citing sources#Citation types, a general citation of the sort seen in this article is acceptable (presuming it does, in fact, evidence notability for the subject). --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:07, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

While general references aren't verboten, they're less preferred than inline citations because they don't provide text-source integrity (see WP:GENREF). Working off of just one source isn't great either, as it does a poor job of establishing wikinotability by itself (and we've got a template for that). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Sure, but that's a different thing entirely. New users should not be given plain incorrect advice on this page. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

They also shouldn't be given advice that makes it seem like what they're doing is encouraged. While I understand that ColinFine technically isn't right, if this article went through the AfC process it'd never make it to mainspace as it is. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

They were not given advice which made it seem like what they're doing was encouraged, Tenryuu, so it's not clear what your point is. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Citing sources#Citation types, a general citation of the sort seen in this article is acceptable (presuming it does, in fact, evidence notability for the subject).

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay, well this is a very boring pissing contest. You want to conflate 'acceptable' with 'encouraged' b/c idk; where the issue was a user being given advice that something which is acceptable, is not acceptable. If it makes you happy, knock yourself out. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Cool beans. So long as you understand that giving advice for something that wouldn't pass muster in the AfC process (for which it seems you're a reviewer for) isn't great, we're all good, then. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Also seems to be some copyvio going on, from https://mainlynorfolk.info/danny.spooner/songs/thediamantinadrover.html --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Grae Cleugh

Need help. This article was declined for being published by a banned user. 86.142.106.76 (talk) 20:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

The draft has been deleted. What sort of help are you looking for? --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I am a blocked user so it keeps getting deleted. 86.142.106.76 (talk) 20:47, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

So stop? — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

That does not tell me what help you want. The draft has been deleted and salted which means only extended confirmed users can recreate it. I do not see that anyone is likely to recreate it. You are blocked. It seems like game over, no? --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Posting here is block evasion. There should be instructions on your user talk page you can follow to request your account be unblocked. GoingBatty (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I cant login, I forgot the password.

Blocked users cant request help or post here to request help?

I am contributing to a forum not editing an article.

I was hoping someone could move the Grae Cleugh article from sandbox to user space, or write it. its a 5 min read/create. As a freelance casting director I think Cleugh is an underlooked actor and his debut play is a double olivier award winner.

Not notable in USA, but quite famous in Scotland, particularly with the LGBT community.

I am close to an accusation of homophobia, and racism. 86.136.166.36 (talk) 21:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I think he was in Greys Anatomy, but I cant find a reference. 86.136.166.36 (talk) 21:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

You'll find we're unmoved by your "close to an accusation of homophobia, and racism". The draft did not evidence the notability of the subject, quite apart from the policy issue of rejecting inputs from blocked users. You're welcome to disagree with that assessment, but equally you're expected to respect it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

How can you expect me to accept something that is wrong.

You will not convince me that black is white.

He wrote a significant Scottish play that has been produced internationally, is a double olivier award winner, and should have a page of its own f***ing Games, because it marked a watershed moment for censorship in british theatre. Michael Billington, The Guardian

He has written a number of other plays of which at least 2 are well known with numerous reviews in the respected national press (not tabloids).

In addition he has worked extensively as an actor with numerous reviews in the respected national press (not tabloids).

Your argument of not-notable does not hold water.

You are therefore either racist (against scots), homophobic, or both at the same time.

I expect your res ponse to be along the lines of "just because you want him to be notable doesnt mean... He is. 86.142.106.78 (talk) 21:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

My argument was that the draft did not evidence the notability of the subject, and that there was the policy issue of rejecting input from a blocked user. Accusations of racism and homophobia are silly, unhelpful, unpersuasive and unlikely to win support for your cause. If they make you feel better, than I guess that's a consolation. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

You can't be "racist" against Scots, because Scottish isn't a conventional "race" (it's a nationality/ethnicity). You could be xenophobic, though, or prejudiced, or discriminatory. Use words correctly, especially when they have as much baggage as "racism". Cremastra (talk) 00:55, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

To answer your question: blocked users are not allowed to edit any page in Wikipedia other than their own user talk page, and even that access can be blocked. Do not worry about Grae Cleugh on Wikipedia until you've successfully appealed your block; that is the only thing a blocked user is permitted to do. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I cant login. I forgot my password. 86.142.106.78 (talk) 21:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

If you have email enabled on your account, you can use that to reset your password here: Special:PasswordReset. Otherwise, you're out of luck; you can try WP:UTRS, maybe. Either way, it doesn't absolve you of the restriction that you are not allowed to edit Wikipedia, including this page, while blocked. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP as a logged out block evader. Cullen328 (talk) 21:23, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

As have I. ;) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

It seems that there at least two of them. Cullen328 (talk) 23:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Queries that PetScan cannot do (search all pages where titles starts with CYP but not in category "Cytochrome P450"

Please suggest how can I search all pages where titles starts with CYP (e.g., ^CYP.*$ regexp) but not in category "Cytochrome P450"?

I tried queries with PetScan, I can specify negative category "Cytochrome P450", but it does not allows me to search without a positive category, and that is not what I have.

I need to search for all the pages about CYP ezymes, such as CYP4F2, but only pages that have no "Cytochrome P450" category, so I could add a category there.

I appreciate your help! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 17:25, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

P.S. I also tried regular Wikipedia search, I specified in "page title includes" the string CYP* -- I got the results, but I could not exclude by category there. Please help. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 17:31, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Does gene -deepcat:"Category:Cytochrome P450" prefix:CYP or protein -deepcat:"Category:Cytochrome P450" prefix:CYP give you a good starting point? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Huh, even the results that aren't redirects are in Category:Cytochrome P450. Beats me. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I tried -insource instead of -deepcat, and that seems to suffice as a temporary workaround. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:43, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that trick worked, thank you! You've made my day! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 04:47, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I tried to search using the links that you provided, but when I view the source code of the returned pages, they already contain the [[Category:Cytochrome P450]]. This is not what I need. I need the list of pages that have title starting with "CYP" but they should not be in the "Cytochrome P450" category. The resuls of search of the link you provided contain pages that have titles starting with "CYP", but they are in the category, while I need pages that are NOT in the category. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 04:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Glad the workaround worked for you. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Please Help!

I have tried and cannot access the The Oxford encyclopedia of African thought. Vol. 1. ISBN 978-0-19-533473-9. Can anyone here do so? I need the chapter on "Black theology" by Israel Akanji, specifically pages 176-180 if possible. Thank you so very much! Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Jenhawk777, Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request is the best place to ask. -- Hoary (talk) 05:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Of course. Sorry. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:26, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Changed width

Is it my imagination or did the new (narrower) width format just a little narrower? Articles that I have been editing on look a little different now with lines breaking as if the width narrowed slightly - am I imagining things? thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Aszx5000 In WP:VECTOR22 there is a toggle to change width (bottom right on my desktop screen) that you may have inadvertently used. More usefully, the tech folk have this week added a feature that allows the contents menu on the left and/or the tools menu on the right to be hidden, so that the centre of the screen can be expanded to its full width. Hoorah! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Aszx5000: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1209. Adding on to the response above, you may need to zoom out to an extent to see the in the lower-right corner. Otherwise, you can uncheck Preferences → Appearance → Skin preferences → Enable limited width mode if that hasn't been done. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks guys. This is not about changing between the old (wider) to new (narrower) format. This week, the new (narrower) format seemed to get a little narrower again, and articles I am familiar with have line breaks in new places. I wonder if the tech guys did it when making other changes? (or maybe I am imagining it). Regardless, thanks so much for your prompt replies! Aszx5000 (talk) 12:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

problems in uploading my entry

I couldn't publish my entry as it said something like this:

"Your edit has triggered an automated filter and has been disallowed. It looks like you're trying to add an email address to this page. Doing that, especially with a personal email address, is usually a bad idea as it can attract large amounts of spam. Though there are a few legitimate reasons to include an email address, in most cases Wikipedia will remove email addresses that are added to articles or discussion pages."

what should I do? Hongkongpa (talk) 14:15, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Probably don't add an email address to a page. Remsense留 14:28, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Municipal Solid Waste Charging Scheme (Hong Kong) Jeraxmoira (talk) 14:30, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Could be triggered by text surrounding an @ symbol. FunLater (talk) 14:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Why is My draft page always being declined?

Why is My draft page always being declined despite I edit it? All reviewers only comment with generic response. Can any one explain or give feedback? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Microscada Amteddy (talk) 08:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

The submission currently has three sources. One is a university thesis. Another, not accessible to me, looks like a conference paper. As the decline notice says, this doesn't meet the criteria of "multiple published sources that are in-depth, reliable, secondary, strictly independent of the subject". Greenman (talk) 08:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Amteddy, ask here in the Teahouse if you wamt more details about any of those requirements. To publish the article, you need all 4 of those requirements met by multiple sources Newystats (talk) 11:25, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@Amteddy The draft has been declined four times, yet you have re-submitted it today without making any changes to address the concerns of the reviewers, as explained above. If you do not make improvements, it will just be declined again. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

This was the only time I re-submitted without modifications. But in all previous declined I have changed many things and yet declined. What I want is the reason for declining as of the current state. If the reasons are just declining, how can I improve it. It is may be good to tell exactly what is the problem with my Article. 147.161.186.81 (talk) 18:53, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Amteddy Every Declined is for same reason - the references are not sufficient. See WP:42. If you cannot add better refs it will be Declined again. David notMD (talk) 15:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Largest cities of Cilicia

With regards to [4], could this have been eligible for wp:g6? Logoshimpo (talk) 01:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Logoshimpo: I don't see that it meets any criteria at WP:G6. It was not an empty maintenance category, it was not a redirect preventing a page move, it was not created in error, and it was not an orphaned template. RudolfRed (talk) 17:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

New editor with a small editing project for comment.

A small group of family members have reviewed the Wikipedia page of their deceased (1991) father/grandfather and want to update it to correct some small mistakes, and amplify it reasonably. Interesting guy, pretty widely published by academic presses and peer reviewed journals. Family members are academics in the same discipline as their father/grandfather and a librarian and library worker who did the preliminary work to have the fathers papers accessioned into an academic archive. Is this an advisable project or is there too much COI-like proximity to the subject?

I am to be the editor. I feel I understand the principals of Wikipedia esp. that things need to be cited reliably. The current page is rated "C". We are looking at comparable academics in the same discipline and using these as models somewhat, This biography would fall under several wikipedia projects: Anthropology, Biography, academic, etc. I have added my name to the Wikipedia anthropology project. I have a draft of the proposed changes in "Word--Tracked changes" but we're still working on it. Can I attach the draft in word to my talk page? and ask for pre review say by the Anthropology Project? I'd love to have a guide to help me a long and share the name of the academic and my draft. Crawlstart (talk) 23:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Because all claims made in wiki articles have to be verifiable, you can only add material that is otherwise attested in a reliable source. So, information only known by family members cannot be added. There is considerable concern about COI here, but you are allowed to edit the article as long as the edits adhere to a neutral point of view, and all additions are proportional to the subject's representation in reliable sources.
As for ratings—the only article ratings on Wikipedia that have formal requirements and are subject to a review process to establish adherence to those requirements are good articles and featured articles, I wouldn't worry too much whether a given article has been rated a C or B, since it is mostly a judgment call.
If you feel comfortable doing this, I would attempt to deliberate all your changes on the talk page while making them, to ensure that your COI doesn't unduly reflect in your edits. Best of luck, cheers. Remsense留 23:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Crawlstart, please be aware that a Wikipedia account is for one individual person only. Shared accounts and group accounts are not permitted. All of the family members have conflicts of interest that should be declared. As for a Word document, I recommend against it, because the syntax and markup is dramatically different from Wikicode. See WP:CHEATSHEET for a basic overview of Wikicode. I suggest that you draft corrections and other changes in your sandbox page, and add them to the article in small chunks. Massive rewrites without explanation may encounter disagreement from other editors interested in the article. Cullen328 (talk) 23:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Crawlstart & @Remsense: while the difference between an article being rated "Start" or "C" might be mostly a judgement call, there are actually specific B-Class criteria that should check have been met before rating an article a "B". For more information, see Wikipedia:Content assessment. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. So I understand that our project (or better, it has to be *my* project, as the editor) is not recommended because of COI. But if I believe I can do it within the principles and guidelines, I need to clearly state the COI, in the subjects "talk" page and my own user page. Then I should think more about carrying the project out in my sandbox and make actual changes, bit by bit and my changes will be marked with a COI note.

But as far as finding a single "guide" mentor to do this editing isn't a recommended strategy? I should just let the WP processes take care of reviewing my changes? Crawlstart (talk) 16:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Crawlstart To a certain extent it depends on the article. You can check how many editors have it on their watchlist by clicking on the "page information" link. If it is large, then any change you make is likely to be reviewed by many others and you can make incremental edits, as advised. If there are <30 watchers (any fewer and the tool won't say how many) then the safest process is to use the {{edit COI}} template on the article's Talk Page: see that link for details. There are experienced editors who quickly follow up these COI requests even when they are not watching the specific biography. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Enquiries

What can I put on my user page? Iamtoxima (talk) 15:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Iamtoxima The guidance is at WP:UPYES. In short, your userpage is somewhere to inform other editors about how you intend to contribute to Wikipedia, plus a little about yourself and your interests. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

okay thanks Iamtoxima (talk) 15:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Iamtoxima, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'll add to Mike Turnbull's answer only that it is entirely optional to have a user page. Most active editors have created one, but some choose not to. ColinFine (talk) 22:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Iamtoxima What you currently have on your userpage is fine. However, the contents of Evans Akere may not survive the new pages patrol since it has uncited content (see WP:BLP). Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Broken links

Is there a way to fix broken links and archive the references? Is there some tool which can achieve this? Sajjad Altaf (talk) 06:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sajjad Altaf: If you're referring to references with dead links (i.e. 404 errors) that used to work, then yes, User:InternetArchiveBot performs this task automatically every day. However, it takes a long time to check every link on Wikipedia automatically, so the bot might take months or years to fix any specific link. If you want to perform this task yourself, you can try using the {{Webarchive}} template, or if the citation was written using {{cite web}}, you could add the |archive-url= and |archive-date= parameters. Is there any specific article you wanted to help with? --Habst (talk) 14:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Habst Thanks for your reply, I want to be self-sufficient in these matters. I will try the template you suggested. How about the references which are not fully formatted and missing information in them. Is there a way to fix those? Sajjad Altaf (talk) 15:26, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

There's Wikipedia:ReFill. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:29, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Aah, cool, very cool, thanks both for help. Sajjad Altaf (talk) 15:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sajjad Altaf: Note that the results from reFill (and other similar tools) aren't perfect, and require you to fix any errors the tool suggests. GoingBatty (talk) 18:50, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Red link

Hello, a question, I don’t know where to ask it otherwise. Template:PDCFlag suppresses redlinks, if an article of the sports person does not exist. While reading Wikipedia:Red link I would think it’s better to have it the other way around?

According to the Red Link policy “ared link should remain in an article if there is a reasonable expectation that the article in question will eventually be created”. For instance, looking at the upcoming 2024 PDC World Darts Championship at the List of qualifiers all names “in black” have a page at 1 or 2 foreign wiki (de:Man Lok Leung, de:Sandro Eric Sosing, de:Alex Spellman, de:Reynaldo Rivera, de:Bhav Patel, de:Paolo Nebrida/nl:Paolo Nebrida, nl:Tomoya Goto/de:Tomoya Gotō, nl:Dylan Slevin/de:Dylan Slevin, de:Owen Bates, de:Simon Adams). Not saying they all meet GNG, but “there is a reasonable expectation that the [on of the..] article in question will eventually be created”. 109.38.132.22 (talk) 08:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

You can use the template parameter nolink=0 to show the redlink. RudolfRed (talk) 18:58, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

help with article

Hello,

Can anyone experienced help me with article review so it would be approved by wikipedia?

thanks

Nargiz bashirova (talk) 15:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Khanlar Asadullayev   Maproom (talk) 16:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Also at  Courtesy link: Draft:KHanlar Asadullayev. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Nargiz bashirova, Welcome to the Teahouse. You should begin by removing all the hyperlinks/references that take the users to the e-commerce website you've cited. Read WP:THREE once you are done with the above. Happy editing <3 Jeraxmoira (talk) 16:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

The last time these drafts were raised at the Teahouse, they appeared to be autobiographical. So, @Nargiz bashirova, are you in any way connected with User:Khanlar Asadullayev, who is also editing them today? Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I know him. I would like to create a page for him. would you advice that himself will do this? Or I can create page for this artist? Nargiz bashirova (talk) 16:48, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Nargiz bashirova: he should not write about himself, for all the reasons outlined in WP:AUTOBIO. You may do so, but you must first disclose your conflict of interest (COI); I have posted a message on your talk page with instructions. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Nargiz bashirova (talk) 17:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, will do:) Nargiz bashirova (talk) 16:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Nargiz. Looking at the citations in your draft:

1,2,11 (all the same source: please see NAMEDREF) and 10 are interviews, so not independent sources, and do not contribute to notability.

3 appears to be a blog, and so is not a WP:reliable source, and does not contribute to notability.

4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 have only passing mentions of Asadullayev, and do not contribute to notability. (7 has a little more about the particular artwork, and could possibly contribute to establishing that that work is notable, though it is not enough on its own. But it says nothing about Asadullayev).

Thus you have not one single source that meets the minimum requirements of reliability, independent, and significant coverage. Without such sources your draft will never be accepted.

This is what makes writing a new article so challenging - not the writing, but understanding what kinds of sources are required. This is why I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months making improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before trying to create a new article. (I see that you did make 10 minor edits to articles first, which is a good start, but you did not pass on to working with references. This is a bit like saying "I want to build a house, so I've painted some windows, so now I know how to start building a house"). ColinFine (talk) 21:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Page combining

I found a page that I previously created should be combined with another page. The page in question is Villarejo (disambiguation) being combined with Villarejo (surname). I moved the inline text from the surname article to the disambiguation article, but I’m unable to remove the surname article from the mainspace. Could somebody help me here? Roasted (talk) 22:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I've blanked Villarejo (surname) and made it a redirect to Villarejo (disambiguation). Cheers, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 23:13, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Random question

What do Wikipedians give each other for Christmas? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I give my time and effort to improve (and occasionally create) articles for the benefit of anyone who uses Wikipedia. I don't do anything special on Wikipedia over the Christmas holiday. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:21, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

The ideal gift is a subscription to the New York Times. Cullen328 (talk) 01:16, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

See Category:Happy holidays and seasonal greetings WikiLove templates. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:08, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Leadership

Who is in charge of a WikiProject? A.FLOCK (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Most WikiProjects have no formal hierarchies. A notable exception is WP:MILHIST, the most organized project, which has a Coordination department. Mach61 (talk) 04:40, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

how edit cited reference in form

When editing an article, I know how to create a cited reference (cite; (templates) cite book). This brings up a handy form so I can fill out all the info. But after I create the citation, I want to go back & edit it. I know I can edit the source code, but it would be easier to edit the form. Can that be done, & if so, how?

I know if I want to use that same citation, I can reuse it (named references). But what if I want to use the same reference but a different page number? I know I can copy/paste the source code & change the page #, but is there a way to copy/paste & then access the form to edit it there?

If I want to use the same source in another article, do I have to copy/paste the source code, or is there an easier way? Thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 05:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Sunandshade: regarding page numbers in references, see WP:CITEPAGE.

AFAIK, once the citation has been created, you can only edit it manually, not by relaunching the cite tool. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade On using different page numbers, there are more than one way. If you're using ref-tag style citing, you can use Template:RP, you can see a couple in Marlowe portrait. Another way is using Help:Shortened footnotes, like History of Christianity. A third way is described by User:SMcCandlish in this discussion. If I have the choice, I use RP since I'm used to it and named refs, but the "rule" is to follow the established citestyle in the article.

Same source in a different article, copypaste is the only way I know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Insertion dialogs are easy, editing dialogs are difficult. The edit screen needs to 'understand' the wikitext in order to provide such dialogs. Visual Editor can do this, because its whole point of existence is to understand what the wikitext means. So in VisualEditor you can edit a reference with a dialog once inserted. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Wow, that got complicated. I read all the articles mentioned but for some, I didn't understand all the terms & for the discussion noted, there so was much "do it THIS way ... no, do it this OTHER way", that I could not follow it. Looks like the mantra is to do it the same way as others for that article. Sounds good to me.

For the article (Lagomorpha) where I want to add a few references (same reference, different page number), there were no Notes so that option was not used. Also didn't see any shortened footnotes in the Reference section so it looked like there were no cases of same reference with diff pg #s. But it could still be the case where a reference was repeated in full with a diff pg #. That would be difficult to find, as I would have to look at an author & search the entire reference list for that author, then repeat for all authors. Is that how it's done? But actually, in the help article mentioned, it says that option is deprecated anyway so I assume that should not be used. If it IS used, is it ok to use a different type for my new references?

For the comment about editing an existing template in the Visual Editor, that was a great help. Sunandshade (talk) 07:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Citing IUCN References

Greetings, fellow editors.

I am a new Wikipedia editor and my goal is to help contribute to editing articles on threatened species (mainly Australian Proteaceae and parrot species) to help make knowledge more accessible to the general public, as many people rely on Wikipedia as a source of information. I am currently in the process adding IUCN conservation statuses to species articles that lack them, as well as taking information from reputable and up-to-date sources and adding that information to the species articles.

However, I'm not sure if I am citing my IUCN Red List references correctly, as I have seen some people do it differently. Would anyone be able to help show me how to cite information correctly?

As an example, I will be using the citation for the IUCN Red List status of my most recently edited article, Hakea pulvinifera.

For my citation, I included the title, URL, access date and publisher, using "The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species" as the publisher.

I am not confident that this is correct, which is why I am reaching out for input before I edit any more articles so I can go back and fix them all with the correct information if I am incorrect.

Here is the article I sourced my information from for the IUCN status: https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/113088579/113309795

Here is the article I am referring to: Hakea pulvinifera

Thank you for your time. I hope I hear back from someone soon and I hope my edits have been helping to make a positive change for Wikipedia.

Best regards,

Lord.of.the.Proterozoic Lord.of.the.Proterozoic (talk) 07:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lord.of.the.Proterozoic. I recommend that you also add the common name as the IUCN listing does, as Lake Keepit Hakea: Hakea pulvinifera. I think that 5 February 2019 is the best publication date. Cullen328 (talk) 08:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @Cullen328

After reading your suggestion, I decided to look at the IUCN citations of featured plant articles, as well as a page I found on citing IUCN Red List statuses, and noticed that I left a lot out and did it in the wrong format. It is supposed to be done as a journal citation, rather than a website citation. It wants only the scientific name and year of publication included in the citation, as well as the assessors, access date and some numbers, including what is known as a Digital Object Identifier, or DOI.

The assessment date could be done years before the publication date, so I suppose the publication year is the better option.

I will use the information I learned from featured articles, the Wikipedia Cite IUCN template and the recommended citations that are directly on the IUCN assessment sites, all of which I discovered yesterday, and will incorporate it into my recently edited article then seek additional confirmation to ensure it is done correctly.

Would there be any support pages on Wikipedia relating to IUCN citations where I can reach out to?

Thank you for your time and your support. Lord.of.the.Proterozoic (talk) 02:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Lord.of.the.Proterozoic Issues about the template itself can be raised on its Talk Page at Template talk:Cite IUCN or you can just use the standard help desk at WP:HD. Many other pages relating to citations in general exist and they all have Talk Pages but some will have few watchers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, @Michael D. Turnbull. I suppose I'll ask my question in both pages. Lord.of.the.Proterozoic (talk) 10:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Division of totality of human knowledge

I want a division or classification of totality of human knowledge If I imagine totality of knowledge As a circle What would be its divisions I mean a list all disciplines or subjects in entirety of human knowledge Stupidity9870 (talk) 11:53, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Stupidity9870 you might be looking for WP:VITAL1, the classification of articles seemed 'important'. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:44, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

See also Outline of knowledge. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:59, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleted biography

Singer the Jr:s

Hello,

There was a profile on William Henry Singer Sr., a steel baron in Pittsburgh. Someone deleted it. Can it be retrieved?

Thank you. 2601:547:CA81:8F30:844A:3B93:8F0D:94A3 (talk) 06:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

There doesn't appear to be a deleted article with that name, but if you know the specific name of the article you can try an undeletion request to retrieve its contents. However, the article won't be put back on the site if its subject isn't notable. Remsense留 06:27, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1209. What's the exact title? I tried looking at William Henry Singer, William Henry Singer Sr., and William Henry Singer Sr (without the period); none of them appear to have any record of being deleted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:28, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

There is a William Henry Singer who "was the son of Hester Lared Harton and William Henry Singer, a wealthy steel magnate who started producing cannons and other weapons for Union troops during the Civil War had become rich." (google translation). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I found this obituary. Retired millionare guy from "Pittsburg". His son was a painter, so if we're doing that article on him, I propose we merge them into "William Henry Singers" or something of that sort. Most of the search results for "William Henry Singer sr Pittsburgh" are for his son, maybe the article could be on William Singer Jr with a section about the father. 71.112.180.130 (talk) 17:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Is William Kelly (inventor) perhaps the same person? Tollens (talk) 06:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I ask because Singer Laren mentions that the person in question sold the "Pittsburgh Bessemer Steel Co.", with a link to Bessemer process, which has no mention of the person. It does, however, mention William Kelly several times. I have no idea if they are the same person though. Tollens (talk) 06:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

No. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Singer-1158 --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:37, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Just found that as well – these are certainly not the same person. Tollens (talk) 06:38, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

The image (right) is of William Henry Singer Jr, the artist, copied from the German Wikipedia article about him. His father was the steel baron. David notMD (talk) 15:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Correct, I read that wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:46, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

There is also https://www.geni.com/people/William-Singer/6000000013941977298. I couldn't find a trace in wikidata, which there might have been from a deleted 'pedia article. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 08:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Should we do something special for Christmas?

I had been thinking about this and it sounded like a fun thing to do. What do you think? Frittle (talk) 14:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Are you inviting me to your Christmas party? Gosh. Remsense留 14:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Lol. I mean something fun. Like we could make a page each year talking about our accomplishments. Frittle (talk) 14:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Am I also invited? I'm mostly free this Christmas. FunLater (talk) 14:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Sure. Frittle (talk) 14:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

What do you think about the idea? Frittle (talk) 14:48, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

But what do you think about the idea? Should I ask someone else or what? Frittle (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't think we can do much. If you have something nice and specific that you think of, we may be able to do it. But I can't think of anything, really.

Changing the logo and things like that are most likely out of the question, though I may be wrong. FunLater (talk) 15:03, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Is my wife (not a Wikipedia editor) invited, too? She is a vegetarian and allergic to nuts. David notMD (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I'll make vegan, nut-free food. :) FunLater (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Who is in charge of events or the person that would be best to ask? Frittle (talk) 19:22, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Frittle, and welcome to the Teahouse. Nobody is in charge of events: these things are determined by community consensus. The best place to discuss this would be one of the subpages of the village pump; but I suspect that it is too late to firm up an idea and get consensus for this year (I may be wrong). Also, note that many users frown on suggestions to use Wikipedia for purposes other than creating an encyclopaedia, though there are some humourous essays, and there are April Fools. ColinFine (talk) 21:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I kinda like changing to logo, although I think doing for solstice or new year's is much better (non-religious). Cremastra (talk) 21:16, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@FunLater and Frittle: Cremastra (talk) 21:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Frittle - Wikipedia has no sense of humor. It thinks it does, but that has not been verified by valid references. David notMD (talk) 22:26, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I would say probably not, because that would be less neutral for those who don't celebrate Christmas (or holidays at all). (meta:Logo#Temporary logo variants) However, temporary logos for things like Wikipedia's 20-year anniversary is fine. ~~2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 17:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@2NumForIce: Hence my suggestion of new year's instead of christmas. Cremastra (talk) 18:15, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Frittle, if you mean something for the broader base of readers, the Did You Know section of the main page will have a day of Christmas-connected hooks. The prep area is here for now: Template:Did you know/Preparation area 7 If you want to help out you could click on any of those articles and see if they need any type of cleanup. If you're not sure where to start, you could ask at the DYK talk page, Wikipedia talk:Did you know. For doing something about Wikipedia, you might want to ask at the talk page for Wikipedia's internal newsletter, Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost. Good luck! Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 22:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Philip Cooke (Historian)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Philip Cooke (historian)

Can you please revise that page? I don't understand why I have comments on that page which dates back to 2020 and 2021 when I have created the page only today. Also, please let me know what I need to do to improve it and have it approved. All the info are true and verified: I have created the page for a person I know (I was NOT paid), and he has checked the info personally. Apparently, the disambiguator was supposed to be lower case (apologies), I am not sure how to change this at this stage. many thanks! Neolinguista (talk) 15:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

You need to find independent sources that cover him in-depth, your sources are primary. I have fixed the lower case problem. Theroadislong (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

thanks for the disambiguator!!

independent as in not created by him or directly related to his university website? Ok, I will try and find them, but it is not easy. Thanks. Neolinguista (talk) 16:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

"Independent" as in "not written, published, edited, commissioned, or based on information from, him, his associates, his employers, or his institutions". See WP:IS. Note that his approval is not required, and the criterion for including information is not whether he says it is right, but whether it is supported by reliable published sources (and, in most cases, by independent sources).

Ideally, the subject of an article has no role whatever in creating the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:31, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Neolinguista: presumably by "comments" you mean maintenance tags; itseems you added (the first two of) them yourself when you created the draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:15, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

you are right, it was my fault...how can I fix this now? Thanks for your help in this matter. Neolinguista (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, ok, that was easy, I have done it thanks Neolinguista (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

(EC) You seem to have added the 2020 and 2021 dates in your first edit - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Philip_Cooke_(historian)&oldid=1190054129 - perhaps by copying from the Stephen Gundle article as the basis of your article? --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:17, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, I have written Gundle's article a while ago and I have used it as a model for Cooke's one (they had similar carrers). I did not realize I was copying the maintaince tags too - apologies, this happens when you create a page every two years, you never get truly good at it! How can i solve this problem now? Thanks for your help. Neolinguista (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I have solved that problem, which was ridicolously easy to solve...sorry to have bothered you. Neolinguista (talk) 17:01, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Image size at London Purchase Farm

Could someone have a look at the gallery at London Purchase Farm? I think these images are too big, but I'm not very experienced at working with images. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 22:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I've removed them per WP:GALLERY: "Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the below paragraphs or moved to Wikimedia Commons. ". --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:57, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Tacyarg (talk) 22:58, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Selected publications (how-to add)

Perhaps this topic already exists - if so - please redirect.

I would like to add a 'Selected publications' list to a page/article. The publications can be found on the internet using the automatic citation engine - and added to the References list.

I would (also) like to excerpt a few of the citations from the Reference list and past them into the body of the article without re-formatting them. However I am unable to, for example, copy + paste individual entries from the References list.

I've tried the templates - but there is no automatic citation engine available.

NOTE: I have tried "+" 'references list' - but can only import the full complete references list, and not select individual references.

Hope this makes sense. Thank you! Science and such (talk) 16:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Heh, ok answering my own question:

am able to go into the html source and cut & paste from there.

Is that the best solution? Science and such (talk) 16:40, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I see you are using visual editor. Click on the reference that you want to paste, press 'edit', and note what template it is using.

You can then press + -> Template and then use the appropriate citation template, which will generate the body of the reference (though not a reference itself).

Of course, why are you doing this in the first place? That should probably be asked first. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:06, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you.

To answer your question: I am reviewing the examples provided by the Reviewer, which include 'Publications' and 'Selected publications' sections in published articles. I assume to demonstrate Notability. Science and such (talk) 22:58, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Science and such. Publications don't demonstrate notability. The impact of those publications does, either by multiple reviews or citations by other scholars. I see you are struggling with a draft article. Sheldrake has written one successful book, about which we have an article. That is not enough notability for a separate article about him. You may add information about him to the book article. He is young. Later, when he has other well-reviewed books, will be the time to have an article about him. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello StarryGrandma,

Thank you. Interesting. I don't actually know how old Sheldrake is, although many people do many different things at different ages, Greta Thunberg for example.

The reason that I am interested in demonstrating notability in a separate article is that there are numerous publications regarding Sheldrake which are not directly related to the book he wrote in notable sources.

Are you suggesting it would make more sense to place these non-related works such as an IMAX film, and profiles in places such as New Yorker, New York Times, Emergence, The Telegraph, Der Spiegel, The Telegraph, and The Observer in the article about the book?

If that is the case, then why do the criteria for creative professionals who have written a notable book not apply here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals

Thank you for your patience. Science and such (talk) 00:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

A case for notability can be made for Sheldrake, not least in refs 6, 14-17, (perhaps others) and the book reviews per #Creative_professionals. There was an AfD in September 2020, but clearly that did not account for the 2023 articles now being used as refs. Whether it's enough is open to debate, but it's reasonable to say that interest in him has been sustained for the last few years. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The draft as stands has too many references saying the same things. Which of those many sources is about Sheldrake, not his book, not written by him, and not an interview? Writing a successful book results in a lot of interviews. Publishers see to that. A brief biography would make a good addition to the book article. The interviews are fine sources for that, but do not show notability independent of the book. Coverage must be all three at once: in depth, reliably published, and independent of the person to have a separate article. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Edits to page

Hi, I am trying to update a photo on wiki and change wording in the bio. It updates on my end but not on the page. How do I fix this? Carahtx (talk) 20:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Carahtx see WP:Upload wizard to upload a file. You can't just 'attach' a file like you would on social media. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:00, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Carahtx: Welcome to the Teahouse! Your edit summary in this edit leads me to wonder if you have a conflict of interest that you should declare. If you are the person who has taken the photo, and therefore are the copyright holder, you may use WP:Upload wizard to upload your photo, and then add an edit request on the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:Ivan Melendez). If you did not take the photo, you may ask the photographer to do so, or follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. GoingBatty (talk) 02:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

About making statement

I know that Wikipedia is uncensored but while quoting from sources, can I add terms such as "King of X begged to the King of Y for mercy" if the source is saying so? The reliability of the source is agreed upon the discussion at reliable source noticeboard. Imperial^[AFCND] 11:45, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't know why WP:CENSOR would apply? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:44, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I want to make sure that if there would be any issue if I use "X begged to Y". Can I use that if the source is saying so? Also, I am aware that if Wikipedia view that as a non neutral POV statement. Imperial^[AFCND] 14:16, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

That's fine if that is reported by a reliable source, though it is not good English. It ought to be "X begged Y". Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I just showed a demonstation. Imperial^[AFCND] 15:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I am curious as to why WP:CENSOR could potentially cause a problem. Cremastra (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I thought words such as "Begged" would come under Wikipedia:Offensive material because WP:CENSOR states that "Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive‍—‌even exceedingly so." Therefore I thought if someone takes it as offensive, it would be a problem. Thats why I asked this. Thank y'all for your help. Imperial^[AFCND] 05:08, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Suitability of the topic 'history of tidal power' as a new article

Hi, I'm considering creating an article to cover the history of tidal power development. There have been many companies that have developed and tested turbines. Individually, a lot of these would be questionable in terms of notability. However, I think the topic as a whole is notable.

The pages Tidal power, Tidal stream generator, and List of tidal power stations have some of this information, but there is a lot more detail that could be added which would possibly make these pages unwieldy, and I'm not sure exactly fits there anyway. Many of the devices that have been tested are no longer generating power, but I think it would be useful to document these in one place.

My proposal would be to have a short introduction, a section on companies with a paragraph or 2 on each (or a link to their page where notable), and a section with a table with details the turbines that have been tested (what, where, when, etc).

I'd appreciate some feedback on this before starting, hence this post. Thanks :) Drnoble (talk) 11:25, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

A number of reliable sources deal with the subject "history of tidal power" so it would seem to be a notable subject. Seems like a worthwhile direction to head in. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:30, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, will start to develop a draft & some notes offline then make a new page Drnoble (talk) 09:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Who is the highest person in charge of Wikipedia that has an account?

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Frittle (talk) 20:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Frittle. No one is "in charge" of anything on Wikipedia. It is a collaborative, volunteer run project. User: Jimbo Wales is a founder and the most famous Wikipedian, but it has been many years since he has bossed anyone around. Cullen328 (talk) 20:30, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

This edit was made by Christina Koch while in earth orbit. Maproom (talk) 20:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

But wouldn't that make her the lowest person? FunLater (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation, so in a sense their CEO Maryana Iskander is "the highest person in charge of Wikipedia". She has a staff account, MIskander-WMF, though it has only made 8 edits to the English Wikipedia. Several members of the WMF board are from the broader community and are therefore much more active editors: I think Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight (Rosiestep) is the most active on the English Wikipedia. But while the WMF has overall responsibility for Wikipedia because they run the servers, they don't have any involvement with the day-to-day running of the encyclopedia: as Cullen says, the project is collaborative and volunteer-run. On a day-to-day basis, highly-active administrators probably have the most social capital and ability to make consequential decisions. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 12:11, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Should I change the URL?

I wrote an article in the past and the URL of a reference has changed. The old URL is a dead-link, but the reference is still online, just under a new URL. An archive link to the wayback machine is already included in the article. Would it be a good idea for me to update the reference URL, or is that unnecessary? —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 06:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Lights and freedom, Welcome to the Teahouse. You can completely remove the old reference/url with the archive link, and then cite the new url. Jeraxmoira (talk) 07:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Make sure you update the |access-date= parameter also, as that helps future maintenance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Images for Go! Puzzle

I'm not sure if this fits within Teahouse, but I thought even if it's not someone could point me in a direction of where best to get an answer.

I did a major overhaul of the Go! Puzzle article last night, and was wondering the best way to go about adding some images to illustrate the three games. It's a 2007 PS3/PSP game which I managed to emulate and take screenshots of - however, I think there are a limited number of screenshots available for the game online.

Is there any way under fair use that I can upload images of this game, and if so, what license can I use for that? EphemeralPerpetuals (talk) 14:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

A stroll through Category:FA-Class video game articles suggests that 1-3 gameplay screenshots in an article is the norm. Original images are allowed. Please review the Non-free content criteria before uploading. Mach61 (talk) 15:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@EphemeralPerpetuals: As Mach61 says, you can look at other game or puzzle articles and see how it's done. Generally you use a low-resolution image, state that it's fair use, and is to be used only for that one article and nothing else. See Chickapig for example, which I created. Also, you don't upload the image to Wikimedia Commons as is usually done, but upload it to Wikipedia. Commons can't be used for non-free images. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

That's really useful - thank you both! EphemeralPerpetuals (talk) 15:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

what are the numbers on the wikipedia data structure table for

i noticed numbers on the left and right sides of the table to the right. what are these numbers for?
are they internal ids?

long namespace table

Wikipedia data structure Namespaces Subject namespaces Talk namespaces 0 (Main/Article) Talk 1 2 User User talk 3 4 Wikipedia Wikipedia talk 5 6 File File talk 7 8 MediaWiki MediaWiki talk 9 10 Template Template talk 11 12 Help Help talk 13 14 Category Category talk 15 100 Portal Portal talk 101 118 Draft Draft talk 119 126 MOS MOS talk 127 710 TimedText TimedText talk 711 828 Module Module talk 829 Former namespaces 108 Book Book talk 109 442 Course Course talk 443 444 Institution Institution talk 445 446 Education Program Education Program talk 447 2300 Gadget Gadget talk 2301 2302 Gadget definition Gadget definition talk 2303 2600 Topic 2601 Virtual namespaces -1 Special -2 Media Current list

Natelabs (talk) 16:41, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Natelabs! Yes, these are the internal namespace IDs. They're quite useful when writing code for things like user scripts, especially ones that are used across different WMF projects, since different namespaces can have different titles in different projects, but they'll always have the same ID. For example, namespace 4 here on the English Wikipedia is "Wikipedia:", but on the Chinese Wikipedia it's called "维基百科:", Meta-wiki it's called "Meta:", and on Wikimedia Commons it's called "Commons:", but no matter what, it's still namespace 4. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:48, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Unauthorized follow-up Q:How do bespoke virtual namespaces like meatball:, citizendium: and google: work? Mach61 (talk) 17:08, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mach61: Technically, those are not virtual namespaces; virtual namespaces are things like "Special:" (namespace ID -1, if you're curious). What you have are interwiki links; as the name suggests, they're usually used to link to other wikis within the WMF project, but they are not actually limited to WMF projects, or even to wikis in general. There are any number of them, all listed at meta:Interwiki Map. HTH, Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

New draft awaiting revision

Hello, I tried to post a wikipedia page over a year ago, which was rejected for failing to provide links. Recently I put a lot of citations up on a new draft and am hoping that someone will be able to check it out and let me know if the listing can be posted? It's about the author, artist, and botanist William A Emboden. There are already a ton of articles on wiki linking to him and I'm hoping to get one made for him - ashe deserves to be listed here for all the writing and research he did - especially on botanics that are still being used and influenced many things being used to date. I understand it can take awhile to create a new profile, but I think I added enough citations for it to get posted. He wrote numerous articles I am still in the process of citing, but I have over 20 sources already. I hope someone can help. Thank you. JasonReBegin (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Articles for academics in general have to pass one of two standards: WP:GNG or WP:NACADEMIC, and specifically Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Criteria. It is not clear to me that User:JasonReBegin/sandbox meets either, but you are welcome to disagree and to point to the references that support GNG, or to the NACADEMIC criteria you believe he met. Citing multiple papers &c is not enough on its own. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

thank you - as this is my first creation of a wiki from scratch, I am simply not very good and will continue to research how to make improvements. JasonReBegin (talk) 17:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Here's a tip, JasonReBegin. Your draft starts by saying that your man "was a world-renowned ethnobotanist, writer, editor, professor, lecturer, artist, and poet". Few people are world-renowned poets; extraordinarily few are world-renowned editors or lecturers. I simply do not believe this statement, and I don't suppose that other reviewers will either. True, it doesn't have to be referenced: it's in the lead, and leads can (and probably should) summarize what follows. In the body of the draft we learn that yes, he edited and lectured, but there's no evidence that he was world-renowned at either. Indeed, there's not even commentary on his editing or lecturing. And neither "poet" nor "poem" appears. So the lead comes off as puffery, rather asking for the draft to be declined. Remove anything that might look as if it's aggrandizing your subject. -- Hoary (talk) 02:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@JasonReBegin: I have moved your sandbox to Draft:William Emboden and restored the deleted history from your previous draft, which appears in the contribution history but not the current revision. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

JasonReBegin, I agree with the comments above by Tagishsimon and Hoary. I also notice that your reference list generates 17 error messages. Please fix those. The list of publications is excessive. Trim that list way back to only those that have been widely cited in the scientific literature. Cullen328 (talk) 08:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

.... and in the bibliography of his works, please don't use external links but instead use {{cite book}} with the relevant ISBN. There is no need to have a separate footnote for these, as you are merely listing them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - I was copying over a list of publications from a copy of a bio I had and as this was my first piece I figured someone would simply delete what didn't work - and it seems that is the case. In appreciation JasonReBegin (talk) 17:35, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you - i fixed that puffery JasonReBegin (talk) 17:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

What tool/app to use to create maps?

Hi. I want to update some outdated railway maps. What tools or application can I use? Are there ready tools for that? Thanks. Aredoros87 (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Railway diagrams are created with {{Routemap}}, with the maps themselves created on seperate template pages (for example, the diagram at Rewanui Branch is located at Template:Rewanui Branch) and embedded in infoboxes. Actual maps are linked to OpenStreetMap via the {{Maplink}} template. Cheers, Mach61 (talk) 15:41, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Aredoros87 (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

How to use multistream?

At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Database_download#How_to_use_multistream? there is a question that could be typed about there, or here, or both places.

It is about using a multistream database dump of Wikipedia.

I do not know how to

"Cut a small part out of the archive with dd using the byte offset as found in the index." than "You could then either bzip2 decompress it or use bzip2recover, and search the first file for the article ID. "

Is there any video or more information on Wikipedia about how to do this, so I can look at Wikipedia pages, or at least the text off-line?

Thank you for your time. Other Cody (talk) 18:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikimedia Funding

Is there a reason for the phrasing in the Wikimedia fundraising message they plaster at the top of the page? Every year it seems more and more manipulative in intent - is there any evidence of them actually struggling, or is it just an odd marketing ploy? It seems especially odd when compared to other sources like AO3, who openly show their numbers when fundraising and always exceed their goal amount by the thousands. 134.41.166.19 (talk) 22:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Almost nobody editing Wikipedia has any involvement in, or insight into, why and how Wikimedia posts and words these messages: many of us wish that they wouldn't.

The only motivation I can think of is that perhaps, if Wikimedia doesn't display reasonable efforts to raise donations from individual users (as many other sites routinely do), its major corporate donors might reduce their donations. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 22:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Search description

When conducting a search for an article, the description beneath the title in the search box may not accurately reflect the content of the article. How can this discrepancy be rectified? Sajjad Altaf (talk) 22:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Could you please provide an example of this discrepancy? You may be speaking about short descriptions. Remsense留 22:08, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I think you are to the point, I see the template on top of the page. I need to just look harder. Sajjad Altaf (talk) 23:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

If you need any help, please let us know! Remsense留 23:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Links to redirects

Hullo peoples. There have been a few articles I have edited where I have swapped out links to redirects with the pages that the redirects redirect to (for example Circle Graph) and I was wondering if this was correct behavior or if I was doing something wrong. Thanccs! 🧐 Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 02:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Antrotherkus: Welcome to the Teahouse! If it changes the visible look of the article, then it's fine. If it doesn't, then it's WP:NOTBROKEN and doesn't need to be changed. GoingBatty (talk) 03:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

kthx 👍 Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 03:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

i did a contrbution and u undone it im asking why

i did a contrbution and u undone it im asking why https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slim_Shady_(disambiguation) 186.153.48.190 (talk) 03:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

You added a long textual insert, almost certainly a copyright violation, into a disambiguation page. Please learn a little about wikipedia before making your next edit. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:41, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

See WP: Copyright to learn about copyright policy. Cwater1 (talk) 03:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) 'cause that's not what a disambiguation page is for. It's to help readers find the article they're looking for and distinguish similarly named ones. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Is this disambiguation page needed. It only tells the reader about one person: Eminem. So really there is no confusion possible. BlueWren0123 (talk) 04:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

There are three (four if you count the section link) articles that have "Slim Shady" in the title, so yes, I'd think it is necessary. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The data backs Tenryuu up. To be clear, the base pagename Slim Shady redirects to Eminem, but in October 2023, a nonzero number of people clicked to the disambiguation page [dab] from Eminem, and a nonzero number of them went from the dab to a different Slim Shady page (Real, EP, or LP). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Accidentally created an image file on Wikipedia

Earlier I cropped a pre-existing image for use on an article.

However, I looked in my contributions page and found that I accidentally created said image file on wikipedia rather than wikimedia commons.

I tried clicking the export to WC link but it said it couldn't do it. I'm not sure what I should do, can anybody help.

Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 21:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Earle Bartibus Huxley: You can just add {{G7}} to the image page (you may want to ensure you have a copy first). It will get deleted, then try again. I note that File:Passport photo of Beatrice Gubbins.jpg is not tagged under a free licence, nor is the cropped image, and Commons only accepts free images, so I wonder if you've thought about that. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I've just added it.

I didn't upload the original image file (it was uploaded years before I made my account), I only made the cropped version. I didn't know the copyright notice existed on both images until just before I created this topic thread. Should I nominate the first image for deletion? Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 22:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

So that's been deleted, and I've put back the old image for now (otherwise it would have been deleted as unused fair use). The first image is uploaded locally as fair use. I don't claim to have looked into whether that's the correct licence - I mean it's quite old isn't it. While it's fair use it can only be hosted locally. You could replace it with the cropped photo, locally, but that might not be ideal, since it contains her signature and other context. There can only be one image hosted locally under fair use. If you discover it's public domain then both could be hosted on commons, otherwise neither can be. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 01:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh I see. Thanks for the info. Earle Bartibus Huxley (talk) 11:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

télécharger une photo pour illustrer ma page dans bibliographie

j'ai téléchargé une photo portrait personnel mais refuser pour des questions de droits d'auteur? Alors que c'est une photo portrait de mon PC? comment faire? merci Superka2711 (talk) 22:20, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Bonsoir Superka2711. Cette page-ci apartient ni à Wikipedia français ni à Wikimedia Commons, mais à Wikipedia anglais. Ce serais peut-être mieux de demander vers fr-wiki ou vers Commons.

Vous avez téléchargé C:File:Hervé Baudu Ensm.jpg. Je ne vois pas où on y a élévé de problème de droits. Mais est-ce que c'est vous qui a pris ce photo? ColinFine (talk) 23:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Superka2711, welcome to a help page for English-language Wikipedia. You're asking about a matter for "Wikimedia Commons". You've asked about H_Baudu_wiki.jpg at commons:Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#H_Baudu_wiki.jpg. That was the right place to ask. Just wait there for a response. (But one little point for your draft: It's not "http(s):\\" but instead "http(s)://".) -- Hoary (talk) 23:47, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I will answer in French on the French Wikipedia. Yann (talk) 11:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Do Any Teahouse Folks Speak/Write Colloaquial Filipino

I am attempting to port the article Gaddang people to the tl.Wikipedia (Tagalog-language version). I am not strong speaker of the national version (Filipino), as I am likely to use Gaddang or Ilokano (or even Bahasa Indonesia) vocabulary. There are also issues to be resolved with links to articles in the much-smaller Tagalog site; as well as some features which are different.

I have brought in a couple of Tagalog speakers who have experience editing and writing for print media, but could use an introduction to somebody who has both the language and Wikipedia experience. Ethnic laundry (talk) 23:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Try WT:PINOY, @Ethnic laundry. Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ethnic laundry You could also look within the categories of user langauge skills. For example Category:User tl-4 and Category:User tl-5 and seek help from a few recently-active ones via their Talk Pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

i was trying to change the picture but wikipedia is not allowing me to

can anyone explain me why? what all should i do inorder to get accepted by wikipedia? Jokkutta (talk) 02:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jokkutta: - you need to be autoconfirmed, with at least 10 edits and an account at least 4 days old. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Some more details could be helpful for a more detailed answer. Another thing is that Wikipedia is very careful about copyright. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jokkutta: I take this is about John P. Varkey? You triggered an automated warning that prevents new editors from uploading small resolution JPG images (c:Special:AbuseLog/10292045). You should be able to upload the image using c:Commons:Upload Wizard. I will echo what Gråbergs Gråa Sång above says about copyright: you have claimed that the image your own work. That means you must have held the camera personally in your hands when you took the picture. MKFI (talk) 13:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

About Wikipedia

is Wikipedia like IMDb OneLastTruth (talk) 15:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, OneLastTruth, welcome to the Teahouse! I'm not sure exactly what you're asking about; in what respect? This is a forum for getting help with editing Wikipedia, so we'd need more information on what you mean and what aspect of Wikipedia editing you're talking about. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an on-line encyclopedia, IMDb is a movie database, so there is not much similarity, except that both are user-generated. We have articles about Wikipedia and the IMDb where you can find out more. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is user-generated, but does not accept IMDb as a valid reference because it is user-generated. In addition, Wikipedia does not accept Wikipedia articles as references because those are user-generated. Go figure. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

OneLastTruth IMDB is time-consuming, however once the information has been added, it's very hard to get it removed, unless it's incorrect and you can prove it's incorrect, or you're me (a Top 100 Contributor) of course. It's also very unlikely that it will be changed by someone else in future. Adding information like credits rarely needs evidence, however you always need evidence to correct a title/name, or add things like birth/death details, two of which I've added this week for a guy in his 20s and a guy in his 30s, both of which have died in the last few years.

Wikipedia is even more time-consuming, as you need to prove everything you add, and have edit every reference. If you add things to a popular article, it will no doubt be checked by someone in less than a day, and will removed if it's false information. Popular articles are constantly changing. It also has people who like to remove referenced information, and use explanations like "the article is too big" to justify their needless removals, plus it has people who get involved in articles they know nothing about, so end up changing them for the worse not the better.

That is why I prefer IMDB over Wikipedia.

In the last week or two I've; Merged 100s of duplicate profiles (as usual); updated countless profiles with things like external links/birth details/death details/birth names/nicknames etc; Created a few posters from title-screen images for shorts which don't have posters, which I've then added; Added a 2023 computer game; Added a 2002 feature length history documentary; Added a 2015 feature length history documentary which has 3 different versions for different countries (although I've still got most of the credits to add); Added the credits to an online music web-series which I added a couple of weeks ago; Added countless missing credits to short films from 2003, 2008, 2012, 2013 etc; Added/Corrected most of the credits on a 2022 comedy feature film; Added/Corrected most of the credits on a 2021 horror feature film; Added/Corrected most of the credits on a 2014 horror/thriller feature film; And that's just the stuff I can remember. Danstarr69 (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Nominating for AfD vs Speedy Deletion

I've added a few articles to AfD discussions, and a lot of them have later been speedy deleted per G11. Where is the line between something non-promotional enough to necessitate AfD discussion, and something promotional enough to immediately require G11 without any thought on improvement or rewriting?

AriTheHorse^{talk to me!}

13:05, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I would look at the page creator's contribution history. If they made small number of edits and the promotional article is their only contribution to Wikipedia, I would just boldly tag it under WP:G11 and if, for some reason, this speedy deletion is declined, then the article could be added to AfD discussions. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 15:05, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@AriTheHorse: (ping - I am not sure you got the notification when I posted here my answer). Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 15:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Stereotypes of African Americans (edited)

This isn't for me, but may be needed for the newer editor who created it. It looks to have been copied from somewhere else? I'm not sure if it should be deleted or merged or if it could be salvageable, but maybe someone could work with this editor to see what they were trying to accomplish? BOZ (talk) 22:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I've moved it to Draft:Stereotypes of African Americans. It seems to be an unattributed copy of Stereotypes of African Americans, so it's unclear what's going on. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:17, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Abukun, Brianda (Wiki Ed), and Helaine (Wiki Ed): may be able to throw some more light on the issue, since they'd leading the course which has resulted in this thing - https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/courses/St._Mary's_College_of_Maryland/Seeing_Race_(Fall_2023) --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:21, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

In particular, @Abukun:, you have peer reviewed this unattributed copy ay User talk:Tonydavis05 and found it generally good? That seems ... surprising? Please explain. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:24, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Abukun has since updated their peer review, but it would be helpful if they could respond to the copyvio concerns here as well. JoelleJay (talk) 19:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

It's very unfortunate. @Abukun, Brianda (Wiki Ed), and Helaine (Wiki Ed):, I have marked the draft as a copyright violation of Stereotypes of African Americans; possibly it will be deleted now. I'm sorry that none of the leaders of this course have chosen to communicate with us here nor to address the concerns arising from unattributed copying and the odd situation of developing as a draft an article already in mainspace. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I feel I should note that WP:G12 speedy deletion has now been declined twice, including once by me, as the draft is not eligible for G12 speedy deletion, and the correct procedure is instead to repair insufficient attribution. The page is also ineligible for WP:A10 or for WP:G6 as explained by WP:NOTCSD point 16. If the draft ceases to be actively worked on then it should be redirected as a Template:R from Draft, but otherwise users are permitted to copy material to userspace or draftspace while actively working on a major overhaul/rewrite of an existing page. If only one person works on the draft then it suffices for them to copy the rewrite directly onto the existing page once finished, as no attribution issues will occur, and redirect the page. If more than one person is responsible for the rewrite then there will be some need for additional care for attribution, either with a histmerge if easily feasible, or with Template:Copied if not. WP:STALEDRAFT point 5 also makes this point. However, even if this is not immediately done upon copying back the rewrite, attribution can still be repaired later as the redirect from draftspace will have attribution information in its history so not getting it right on the first try is an easily fixable problem. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:105:1578:26D:6233 (talk) 03:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Clear that User:Tonydavis05 copied Stereotypes of African Americans into own Sandbox without attribution of the source, added content, renamed it Stereotypes of African Americans (edited), and from there it ended up as Draft:Stereotypes of African Americans per action by User:Tagishsimon, who afterward properly identified it as an unattributed copy. The cleanest action I can recommend at this point is that the draft either be Speedy deleted by an Administrator or else tagged by Tonydavis05 for deletion. If Tonydavis05 believes there is properly referenced content that was added to the original article, that should be copied - quickly - to his Sandbox, to be added to the existing article. David notMD (talk) 02:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I concur — the student copied the material into his sandbox in order to edit it. He should have only copied portions at a time. He then added some unattributed material that duplicated information in parts of the original article. While I wish he had taken the assignment seriously, he did not, so you were right to nominate the work for deletion. Sorry for any lack of communication on my part, but I assure you, I have been working with the student offline to explain why his work was unacceptable. Abukun (talk) 17:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Twisting history

A corporation is twisting their history to hide a scandalous fact that occurred 50 years ago. I and others were irrevocable harmed by this event that changed the course of not only their local business but 2 internationally known and recognized businesses, as well as being a current topic relating to women's history. I and several other living people are the only ones who can get this, as it must be, into the historical record.

How do we do this best on Wikipedia. Ty in advance.

NMR - NanetteGrigsby (talk) 13:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello. We cannot accept your personal account of an event, because it cannot be independently verified. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic- something published thst can be verified. 331dot (talk) 13:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @NanetteGrigsby, welcome to the Teahouse. The best way to do this on Wikipedia is to ignore Wikipedia for now. You need to go get your story published by a reliable source - a reputable news organization, for instance, or perhaps a respected advocacy group. Then you can come back to Wikipedia, with that source in hand. I'd recommend making an edit request on the article's talk page rather than attempting to add such information yourself, even when you have your source. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 14:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Nanette, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that your edits to WCIT (AM) broke two core policies of Wikipedia: verifiability and neutral point of view. They were therefore properly reverted by an experienced Wikipedia editor: your suggestion that this was the company whitewashing is inappropriate without strong evidence.

Advocacy is not permitted on Wikipedia, no matter how virtuous the cause. See WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS.

If you can find reliably published sources for what you claim happened, then a neutral summary of what those sources say may be added to the article: given your strong emotional involvement, it would be best if you did not edit it yourself, but raised an edit request on the talk page. But without reliable sources (which do not have to be online), nothing can be added. ColinFine (talk) 14:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

FOR THE CURIOUS: This is about the article WCIT (AM). User:NanetteGrigsby added information about a purported crime - rape resulting in a pregnancy, alcohol involved - of a teenage beauty contest winner in 1971, by a DJ of the radio station responsible for transporting her to events. For this to be incorporated into the article about the radio station there needs to be reliable source publications about the rape, perhaps in newspapers of that era, AND that the radio station was involved in covering up the crime to protect itself and its employee, also later described in publication(s). David notMD (talk) 17:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Request for Assistance in Updating a Page on Tuberculosis Prevention

Dear Wikipedia Community,

I'm reaching out for assistance in updating a page related to international effort to stop the spread of tuberculosis. I believe it's crucial to have the most current and accurate information on such critical topics. This would ensure that our public encyclopedia remains a reliable resource. I am eager to contribute in several languages and ensure that our readers have access to the latest data and findings in this field. Could someone guide me on how to proceed with these updates effectively?

Thank you for your support.

G GeGki (talk) 16:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @GeGki, welcome to the Teahouse. First of all: do you have a personal or professional connection to Stop TB Partnership? If so, you need to read WP:COI, and also WP:PAID if you're being compensated in any way for your work with them.

Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. If you have such sources, those are what you should be using to update the article.

Keep in mind that this is an encyclopedia which covers the whole history of its subjects - just because something happened in the past does not mean it's now irrelevant, or that the information is out of date and should be removed/updated. If something is wrong or very poorly sourced, it should certainly be corrected, but otherwise the idea is to build upon what's already there. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 16:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@GeGki welcome to Wikipedia! Someone else posted good advice on your use talk page User talk:GeGki and I would recommend you check out a WP:TUTORIAL to learn more about Wikipedia. In addition, medical topics have extra standards which you can read about at WP:MEDRS. Happy constructive editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

As already covered above, you added large amounts of unreferenced content to Stop TB Partnership. You also deleted existing, referenced content. The former can only be restored if you can provide valid references - independent of what the organization publishes about itself - verifying the information. What you know to be true carries no weight. In addition, you added hyperlinks in the text. This is forbidden. You are free to try again, one subsection at a time rather than all at one go, with references. David notMD (talk) 17:47, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Update on Coyote vs. ACME

I just got an update regarding the bidding race for "Coyote vs. ACME":

On December 7 and 8, it was announced that Netflix reportedly offered less than half of the film's budget cost and was turned down, and Paramount had made a bid with a theatrical release plan for 2024. Amazon remains interested, and Sony and Apple have still not made any bids.

According to the film's budget, someone needs to make a bid that is higher than the film's original budget: 70 million dollars

Netflix could have a second chance if they can offer a better deal than $70M.

The goal of the bidding race is to go higher than 70 million dollars.

Here are my sources: https://puck.news/newsletter_content/what-im-hearing-shari-ellison-redbird-paramount-2/

https://deadline.com/2023/12/coyote-vs-acme-paramount-amazon-contenders-1235658240/

And that's should be it. Can anyone add it in there? DukeyDukeyToo (talk) 18:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

No. WP does not do running commentaries on commercial affairs. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:12, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

File copyright template

Hullo peoples. Apologies for asking questions two days in a row, but I feel like I need help with this, because it's about the copyright of an image I want to upload. This image is a miniature California flag from this website, and I want to add it so that I can use it for a top icon on my user page. The license for this image (along with all other flag images on the website) is under the "Creative Commons Attribution-Non-Commercial-Share Alike 2.0 UK: England & Wales License". I'm using the Commons Upload Wizard for this, and under the "Enter a different license in wikitext format" section, I supposedly have to add a template for the license, but I'm not sure where I would find such a template. I was hoping that someone here would be able to procure such a UK copyright license template. That's all. Thanks! Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 19:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

You cannot upload such a file to use on your userpage. It is not freely licenced. Files that are not freely licenced are only allowed to be added to mainspace articles. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 19:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

ok 😕 Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 19:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Antrotherkus. Will none of the flags in Commons:Category:Flags of California work for you? They are all freely usable. ColinFine (talk) 20:30, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh whoops, didn't check there. Silly me. Thanks for pointing that out! Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 20:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Antrotherkus. You might try one of the userboxes on this page, or figure out the file used for the small flag in them: {{User interest California}}. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 20:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC) (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.)

mass redirecting

is there any way to make redirects in bulk? cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 19:48, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Create new pages? --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

yeah, that seems like it would work

i'd just need a bunch of text files, but that's easier than what i was doing before

thanks cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 20:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Cogsan: generally, mass-creating pages in articlespace is a BAD idea. See WP:MASSCREATE. Cremastra (talk) 20:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

from a quick read of that section, i can assume one of 2 things

1. i fucked up because i made 82 redirects
2. i didn't fuck up because i wasn't using a bot or script, and have a minor spelling mistake to prove it

cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 21:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The redirects you made look fine, but, yeah, it's best not to use an automated process for those. If your odds of messing up when you do something manually are 1 in 100, then your odds of messing up that thing when you use a bot or script are probably going to be more like 1 in 10. Cremastra (talk) 21:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

in that case, it's probably a good thing i won't get into another situation where it would be a good idea to make over 20 redirects in quick succession for a while

if something like this does happen again though, i'll either see if i can learn how to use a script for it and then try to get approval, or just do it manually at a somewhat slow pace

thanks cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 21:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Watermark

I'm looking at an image (aerial photograph) recently added to Charlemont High School, Jamaica, which has a watermark with the photographer's business name on it. I can see the file should be tagged with {{Watermark}}, but the file has no edit option for me. What am I missing - do I tag it on Commons instead? Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 20:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

If there is an edit to be made, yes, it would be on commons. As it is, this file and another by the same uploader look like copyvios and have been marked with 'permission required' banners on commons ... I've removed them from the article for this reason & because the aerial photo & caption was tending towards an advert. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:45, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello Tacyarg. I consider it highly likely that image is a copyright violation. It has already been removed from the article and nominated for deletion on Commons. KKDT, are you the person who actually took that aerial photo? Cullen328 (talk) 20:49, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The School administration is aware of the photo. The Person who took the drone photo he is a past student of the school. I am apart of the Team that manages Social media. why was the Logo Removed....... They know about this! This is factual Information not False.... and the school Administration Know about. everything that is going on. Why is there a problem? KKDT (talk) 21:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@KKDT One problem is that Wikipedia is not social media and you are required by its terms of use to disclose your WP:PAID status if you are making any edits related to your employer. That link describes how to do so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@KKDT: commons:File:CHARLEMONT HIGH SCHOOL LOGO.png and commons:File:CHARLEMONT_HIGH_SCHOOL_Kreative_Kaptures_Aerial_JAN_2023.jpg each have a template that explains that the file is missing evidence of the permission you're stating exists, along with instructions on how to provide the evidence. GoingBatty (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@KKDT: You're also using the improper syntax for the images in the infobox, and reverted my fix without using an edit summary. GoingBatty (talk) 21:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

can you tell me whats the correct way? KKDT (talk) 21:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

It was correct as GoingBatty did it, so the simplest thing to do now is to self-revert your last edit (with a suitable edit summary). Before doing that, please place the paid editor template on your userpage. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Please understand that wikipedia DOES NOT like to be used to advertise photographers, as your watermark and your caption did. Since you have control of the image, I suggest you upload a new image without a watermark, and desist from adding photographer credits to the caption. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

ok will do that! Im the one who did it... ill revert that KKDT (talk) 22:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@KKDT: Template:Infobox school shows the correct way to use the parameters and provides an example. GoingBatty (talk) GoingBatty (talk) 22:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The visual Editor is easier to use tho... the Bracket Bracket throws off everything for me but ill Look into it thanks for the info.. Im making changes to the water mark right now KKDT (talk) 22:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@KKDT: You can use the VisualEditor to edit the infobox. Click edit and then click the infobox. You'll see the Image parameter has the instructions "Image file name with no wikimarkup". Remove the wikimarkup and click "Apply changes". GoingBatty (talk) 22:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

KKDT, please do not claim a logo that you did not design and a photo that you did not take as your "Own work". Cullen328 (talk) 22:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Help - Page Removal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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How is it even possible for anyone to arbitrarily remove someone else's page without discussion? Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 21:50, 19 December 2023 Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 21:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

There are all sorts of circumstances where this is a valid thing to do. We would need more details. What page? What content? --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The page is gone but the title was: Prime Numbers - The Equations That Define The Prime Number Sequence.

It is a page dedicated to the historical mathematical proof currently in the Canadian Library and Library and Archives Canada (2014). Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Seems to have been a copyright violation - Creating Prime Numbers - The Equations That Define The Prime Number Sequence - "Unambiguous copyright infringement of https://www.amazon.com/Solutions-Primes-Equations-Defining-Sequence-ebook/dp/B09JKNQH7Z?asin=B09JKNQH7Z&revisionId=dafc2904&format=1&depth=1 (cf. also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXeDmFwX3s))" --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

How would be unambiguous. It is a page dedicated to the historical mathematical proof currently in the Canadian Library and Library and Archives Canada (2014). Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The publication and reference was the first thing noted on the page.

Thank you for helping. I am very new to this and want it to be as professional and respectful to all requirements. Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Can you point to a permissively licenced or public domain source? If not, the presumption is that the source pointed to in the deletion message is copyrighted, and the unambiguous part of the whole thing would presumably be a word for word match between the WP page and the source. In short, you cannot lift copyrighted text from elsewhere and add it to wikipedia. Providing a reference does not make it okay. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I am the author of the publication: Prime Numbers - The Equations That Define the Prime Number Sequence that is cited and is in the Canadian Library and Library and Archives Canada (2014). Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

That makes things... tricky. First off, you'll have to prove that you are actually the copyright holder. (I'm not saying I don't believe you, it's just that we need to be very careful. Otherwise, we could potentially have any number of people waltzing in and violating copyright because they claim they're the copyright holders...) Cremastra (talk) 22:26, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

And it also raises WP:COI issues, such as is the page a notable topic per WP:N, is the page an advert for your for-profit book, &c. It is very far from ideal for you to be creating the page, very far indeed. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:30, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, yes. I was starting out with the copyright problems, and figured we'd get to COI, N, V, NPOV, and all the other acronyms later. Cremastra (talk) 22:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

When presented to one of Canada's premiere and noted Number Theory mathematicians at The University of Waterloo, he placed his head in his hands and said, "Do you have any idea what this means!?"

That has been the typical response around the world. Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Don't forget socking, Prime Numbers - The Equations That Define The Prime Number Sequence was extensively edited by 4ELprimephi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Star Mississippi 22:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. It is the first time in mathematical history that the equations defining the Prime Number Sequence were discovered and proven. Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Collapse too much information. You need to trust us on this: we know when to collapse things.

This is not an advertisement, just an answer to the inquiry: The Solution to the Primes - The Equations Defining the Prime Number Sequence. James P. Moore. Moore, J. P. (James Patrick), 1965-, author The Solution To The Primes / James P. Moore Includes bibliographic references. ISBN 978-0-9688950-5-4 (pbk.) 1.     Numbers, Prime   QA246.M65 2014      512.7’23      C2014-900497-4 My website: www.jamespmoore.com Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC) The Solution to the Primes - The Equations Defining the Prime Number Sequence. James P. Moore. Moore, J. P. (James Patrick), 1965-, author The Solution To The Primes / James P. Moore Includes bibliographic references. ISBN 978-0-9688950-5-4 (pbk.) 1.     Numbers, Prime   QA246.M65 2014      512.7’23      C2014-900497-4 My website: www.jamespmoore.com

I can tell you every step that I took to discover the equations, where I wrote the proof, every university around the world that is was sent to and that it has been in the public domain for nearly ten years now.

Thank you Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Right, I see; that's where we are, is it. Can you point to any reliable sources vouchsafing the notability of your equation? --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, it looks like a self-published book to me, ten bucks on Amazon, and the website is selling a mythical clean energy product that I don't understand. Drmies (talk) 22:49, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

More what could be mistaken for advertorial content

I was nominated by The United Nations as being one of the leading energy engineers in the world working on energy systems globally. My systems are being used by some of the largest, leading companies in the world. Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:53, 19 December 2023 (UTC) "I haven't slept for four nights. It is magic!" Roydon Fraser. - Professor, PEng, FEC, Teaching Chair University of Waterloo. ”This will shake the foundations of computer science!"   Aaditeshwar Seth. PhD. Computer Science. " I have read your proof, it's really impressive and straightforward to read. I'm really impressed with the results of this work. My first reaction, when I understood it was: Wow!. Primes play a huge role in modern cryptography, main cryptographic algorithms such as RSA, Diffie-Hellman, DSA are based on primes. That means that these results can create a revolution in cryptography!"  - Tatyana Khitrova. Computer Scientist and Cryptography expert “Do you have any idea what this means!?” Dr. Scott A. Vanstone Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Waterloo. Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Can you stop the sales pitch please? Drmies (talk) 22:53, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you all. I hope that you have enough to help this situation.

Have a good night. Lahrenjames7777 (talk) 22:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Where and when did you explicitly place the text in the public domain, Lahrenjames7777? Unless you have done so publicy, or you do so in an mail to Wikimedia as specified by donating copyright materials, it must be assumed to be copyright.

Secondly, Wikipedia does not publish original research. An article about your book or its contents must be based on reliably published independent material about the book, not on what the book says, or on what you or your associates say or want to say. If your supporters publish a peer-reviewed article discussing your work in detail, then that might be enough, but unpublished sound-bites won't cut it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Pacific war article declined

Hi everyone I was wondering if an experienced editor could assist me.

I have written a section on the attitudes that the Japanese and the Americans had towards one another on the Pacific War page as this was missing from the article however I have had feedback suggesting it is too essay like. After the initial feeback of this I redrafted my work and resubmitted to present a more neutral work summarizing what historians have said about the issue however it has been declined again for the same reason? I am not sure how to make the section less 'essay like' as I personally don't think it reads like an essay at all. Please can someone point me in the right direction and help me see where I have gone wrong as the feedback is very vague. Thank you Goldenl03 (talk) 13:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Goldenl03, it seems from your edit history that you have never edited Pacific War, though you did once edit its talk page.. What edits are you referring to? Maproom (talk) 14:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

He is refering to Draft:U.S Attitudes towards the Japanese, @Maproom NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes sorry I am referring to my draft I sent for review Draft:U.S Attitudes towards the Japanese

Goldenl03 (talk) 16:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Goldenl03 I edited it slightly for format. Given your title, consider adding sections for after WWII. Yes, this would be a radically different article, and perhaps outside your interest in the topic. David notMD (talk) 17:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Skimming the draft, I don't see any significant difference between it and Anti-Japanese sentiment in the United States or Japan–United States relations. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 23:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

How do I register my Wikipedia account?

I've had an account for a couple of weeks, and I'm concerned on how to register, as I can't edit certain articles. If you have an answer, please tell me and thank you. Oo-rah! the marines are here (talk) 01:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Oo-rah! the marines are here: There's no need to register any more than you already have – you do have an account. Some pages are protected from editing for a variety of reasons, but you can still contribute! If you see a page that you would like to edit but that is protected (this will be shown by a lock icon at the top right of the article), you can submit an edit request detailing exactly what you would like changed (ideally describing exactly where you would like the change to be and exactly what the changed text should read instead) so that someone can make the edit on your behalf. You might want to use the edit request wizard to help with this. After making more edits (10 for most, then 500 for essentially all the rest) you will automatically be given the ability to edit protected articles. Tollens (talk) 01:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Then how come I am still blocked from editing an article that only registered users can edit? Oo-rah! the marines are here (talk) 04:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found the answer. Oo-rah! the marines are here (talk) 04:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

(EC) Explained at Wikipedia:Why create an account?, once you have had an account for 4 days and made 10 edits, you can edit semi-protected pages (gray lock), create new articles, rename pages and upload files. Once you have had an account for 30 days, and have made at least 500 edits, you can edit extended protected pages (blue lock). Right now you have made 2 edits. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:45, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Oo-rah! the marines are here (talk) 04:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Oo-rah! the marines are here: The table at Wikipedia:Protection policy#Comparison table might be a helpful summary for you. GoingBatty (talk) 04:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

My account has 10 edits and is 4 days old, but I still can't edit gray lock pages. Oo-rah! the marines are here (talk) 03:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Oo-rah! the marines are here: It appears your account is indeed autoconfirmed. Maybe try again. Tollens (talk) 03:10, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Paywalled sources

I'm working on an article that was reviewed and needs further revisions based on the sources available. Can sources be deemed inadequate if they are paywalled? And are paywalled sources still considered when evaluating an article? ESGenthusiast (talk) 12:30, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

It's perfectly allowed to use paywalled sources, and often the best sources are difficult to access, either because they are paywalled or because they are only available in print. WP:PUBLISHED and WP:RSC are relevant here. That said, if important sources are hard to access then you might have to wait longer to find a reviewer. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 12:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@ESGenthusiast See also WP:PAYWALLED. Many long-term editors (and reviewers) are members of The Wikipedia Library and hence have access to such sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi ESGenthusiast, I agree. On Wikipedia, also, we have Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request (or WP:RX for short) specifically to request another editor to send you material that you don't have access to. So using paywalled or offline sources is very much a part of the proccess. Good luck, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Self identification as a source

An influencer describing themselves as a himbo has been included in the article on himbos. Is their own opinion relevant? Is their inclusion even relevant to the article in the first place? Blackdogcity (talk) 07:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Blackdogcity: Putting aside the question of whether the source was reliable, the story did not actually identify the influencer as a himbo, merely asserted that he was flogging clothes under a himbo brand. So, removed. Good catch. --Tagishsimon (talk) 07:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Sponsorship

Please STOP YOUR ONGOING BEGGING adverts asking for money. If you can’t manage the operation - CLOSE IT DOWN & go away - Stip ruining our experience 👎😡👎😡👎 2A00:23C4:D0F:1D01:9C29:17CA:2F74:C7EF (talk) 07:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikimedia's football, wikimedia's rules, I'm afraid. --Tagishsimon (talk) 07:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

But, if you create an account, you can use your preferences to stop the ad banners, so there's that route to consider. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Either sign up for an account or ignore the ads. I have had an account for over 14 years and have never seen any of those ads, except when I deliberately look for then because somebody is complaining about them. I donate my time and my knowledge, which is vastly more valuable than mere cash. Cullen328 (talk) 08:13, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I mean your experience is probably going to be bit more ruined if Wikimedia does "close it down and go away". --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:F211:A254:7DA9:FB24 (talk) 08:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

If it helps, the fundraiser has an end date (I don't know what), so if you don't like the above suggestions, you can consider avoiding WP until then. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck Preferences → Banners → Fundraising. The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever.
You are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing donate@wikimedia.org. Thank you! -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 10:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

One account login to two device.

hey seniors, Greetings.

actually i am little bit confusion with on account login into my office system and personal phone, is this possible? Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 10:10, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

There shouldn't be a problem with this, Youknowwhoistheman. -- Hoary (talk) 10:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks you so much. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 10:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Added category using hotcat

Hey Seniors! i hope you are doing well. actually i am new here, and i don't know how to add categories by Using hotcat, please guide me. Thanks you Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 07:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

It is explained here: Wikipedia:HotCat#Adding a category. Do you need additional guidance? --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:28, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Actually one more question is here. If we make small edits, is it necessary to show it as a minor edit? What if we don't show him the minor edit? Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 08:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman Please read WP:MINOR. The idea is that other editors don't need to check edits marked as minor, so they should only be called that in limited circumstances. It doesn't matter if you don't mark a minor edit as such but it is misleading if you mark as minor something that is more substantial. Edit summaries are always useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

"Article submission has not been accepted at this time"

Hello DrowssapSMM, — Preceding unsigned comment added by SEV08RO (talk • contribs) 12:43, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

can it be considered a mention of his name on another wikipedia page? In his case, a selection to a team for a match in European cups. I read carefully before making this request and I thought that the mention of websites, newspapers, YouTube, etc. was sufficient.

Also, when denying the article, it says: "Submission is partially not in English." and I don't understand what the problem is. SEV08RO (talk) 12:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@SEV08RO Since this is the English Wikipedia, the entire article should be in English before the article goes to main space. The section about his professional(?) career is not English. —C.Fred (talk) 12:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Please read about WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. All references in must be to WP:reliable sources - organs that have a reputation for editorial oversight and fact-checking. Wikipedia, like all other user-generated sites, is not reliable, and nor are self-published websites or YouTube videos. Many people are mentioned in Wikipedia articles (including me) but that does not mean that they are necessarily notable in Wikipedia's sense. ColinFine (talk) 12:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Looking closer at the article, not only does it need editing from the standpoint of English grammar, but it also needs review by editors who are independent of the subject and his club. Based on your claim that you own the image of Tica in the article, it would appear you have a conflict of interest. —C.Fred (talk) 12:54, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Can't find a fix to an incorrectly displayed navigation popup

On any article where Machpelah Cemetery (Queens) is linked, rolling over the link shows a picture but no text. I compared a couple other articles that work, but I can't find any difference. How would I fix this? (also, what is the proper name for these little article popup/previews?) JD Cornbread (talk) 14:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @JD Cornbread, welcome to the Teahouse. The problem here was the coordinates template - when placed at the top of the article, it often interferes with the preview image in the popup (see here for more information; there's also a different preview feature, Navigation Popups, which account holders can choose to use). I've moved the coordinate template to the bottom of the article. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 14:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

JD Cornbread I remember this was mentioned once in the Village Pump Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_206#Page_previews_(popups)_broken - it has to do with the coord template being broken. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 14:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Are IP bans due to shared networks a possibility?

I often access Wikipedia through my school, which has some idiots that vandalize Wikipedia from time to time. I know this because I get notifications about how changes I did not make have been reverted, when I am not logged in. Is there a risk of me being IP banned due to my peers' poor behavior, and worse, is there a risk of that being associated with my account? ProteinFromTheSea (talk) 14:48, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi ProteinFromTheSea, I may have solutions. If you're worried about a blanket ban to all IPs from your school it should not affect you if you log in - in fact, that actually happened to me. If everyone at your school is editing from a single shared account or something like that (however that would work) you should create your own account. If neither of these are your situation, I'd love to hear more about your problem so that I can suggest ways to fix it. Best regards, TypoEater (talk) 15:02, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Tea

Just boba, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:31, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Do you have moochi ball tea? 2600:1702:39D0:19E0:4491:CDD:F548:C9C7 (talk) 21:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Apparently not but you could try the ice cream. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

No, but we have some good earl grey, I think. Cremastra (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

No, but do you like green tea? Or some doughnuts? Babysharkboss2 was here!! (Talking Heads) (DANTE) 23:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Ha-ha, very funny. TypoEater (talk) 15:12, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Submitted Article - "I'm a sinner. He is my guarantor"

Draft:"I'm a sinner. He is my guarantor" - a Bangladeshi folk song Mozammalhoquetipu (talk) 07:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The draft now appears to have been reviewed. Tollens (talk) 10:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

FYI

 – Merging to section above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

My article on "I'm a sinner. He is my guarantor" song has been declined. If I could get help from an expert on how to improve my article and specifically in which are to improve, I would be grateful.

As per my knowledge, I have used reliable secondary sources and the subject deserves a Wikipedia article.

Also I like to know, if I myself being the traslator can not write an article. Is it strictly prohibited ?

Looking forward to the help Mozammalhoquetipu (talk) 12:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mozammalhoquetipu Your Talk Page already has a message about your conflict of interest. You are still allowed to create a draft and use the articles for creation process, as you have been doing. The main issue in this case is not your COI but the fact that the draft does not demonstrate that the song is wikinotable. To do that, you need three or so reliable sources that are completely independent of anyone associated with it and discuss it at some length. See this summary. The song cannot inherit its notability from the "legendary" film in which it was originally used. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Dear Responder

I am thankful for your above detailed advice.

I have begun to enjoy the wikipedia article writing.

As per your above kind advice, I am trying to improve the article.

Sincerely

Mozammal Hoque Tipu

Literary Translator of music Mozammalhoquetipu (talk) 11:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Dear Experts

I want to know how to edit the headline of a draft. I can edit the body of my article. But when I want to edit the draft head line, I don't find any option to do that.

Can anybody help me how to do that ?

Sincerely

Mozammal Hoque Tipu Mozammalhoquetipu (talk) 11:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mozammalhoquetipu If by "headline" you mean the title, then this can be fixed if your draft is accepted. By Wikipedia's manual of style, song titles would be italicised and this one doesn't need the extra information about its being from Bangladesh. I suggest you don't worry about this: your draft is very far from being acceptable in its current state as it fails to demonstrate that the song is notable enough to have an article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:15, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Just going to point out here that song titles shouldn't be italicised, but enclosed in quotation marks. In the case of article titling, leaving it unitalicised is the standard (cf. Let It Go). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

reference question

Hi there,

My page edits (Draft:GoLinks) keep getting rejected for not having the right references. I read the criteria multiple times but looks like it might be impossible to get the page published? Other companies such as Asana seem to have been published with sources similar to this page.

Will take any advice. Thanks

Alexaklop (talk) 15:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Please read WP:COI and WP:PAID. Wikipedia is not a platform for company marketing. A Senior Content Marketing Manager should know that. Your references are in the main churnalism not WP:RS. I think there's a vanishingly small possibility that your company will get an article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Trying to edit a page

My family page is Beaver Creek Indian Tribe and someone by the name of YuchiTown keeps undoing my changes despite proof. The live chat provided no help as noone answered. All we wanted to do is change pee-dee to muscogee, and its offensive that i was told it was "an interesting research theory" when my tribe is trying to update our paperwork. We are not from that area, we are not from south carolina. we SETTLED here. 64.234.38.130 (talk) 15:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

You need to come up with a reference pointing to a reliable source at the time you make the edit, not 'later'. You are in essence competing with a very reliable source which disagrees with your assertion. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

It appears that you have edited this article as User:ECreekNation and User:Edit807, and now here not logged in, hence an IP number for the account. Going forward, use only one account. Per what Tagishsimon wrote, changes to the article require references. Your response on your Talk page "I’m having the chief call the support line/ someone at the office as you are not authorized from my knowledge." will fail. There is no "support line/someone at the office". Editors are volunteers who live where they live and edit what they want to edit. David notMD (talk) 16:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Im not logged in as I’m using a different computer, I tried logging in and my password doesn’t work hence my ip address. The speculation as I’m trying to advoid anything is insanity. We are the source of that page as it’s OUR tribe. If you would like to delete the wiki page for false information we will be more than happy. 64.139.248.177 (talk) 17:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Would you like to contact the tribe yourself at this point if I’m just not providing enough resources though I’ve submitted these resources 64.139.248.177 (talk) 17:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. You are in a similar situation to somebody who is not happy with an article about them personally: you are welcome to make suggestions for improving the article, but your changes will not necessarily be carried out, and any information you want to introduce must have been reliably published. See WP:FAQ/AS. ColinFine (talk) 19:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Please read WP:RS. That is what wikipedia articles need. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:11, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you I will look into it, I fixed my login. Edit807 (talk) 17:18, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

How long does it take an image to be replaced on Wikipedia?

So, I updated a new version of a map. When I open that image on commons, I see the latest version, however on Wikipedia I see the old version. How long should I wait approximately? PS: It's not about cache. Aredoros87 (talk) 17:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't know the details, but it can take a while. Worry after 24 hours. Raise a concern again after 48. Should be done before that. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I was talking about this file. In this article it's still not updated. Aredoros87 (talk) 18:27, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Aredoros87 it's updated for me. I would recommend WP:PURGE to force refresh the image that is retrieved. This is usually not urgent, but when someone sabotages the images with disturbing content, purge is your friend. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I tried purge. It didn't work out, but I checked another page with that picture and it was already updated. Seems like I have problem with cache. Aredoros87 (talk) 19:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Asking an editor to proofread my article before resubmitting it

Hi, I submitted an article that was rejected. The editor who rejected it said they or another editor could proofread my next attempt before I submitted it for publication. So I rewrote the article on the draft page... but now I'm not sure how to submit it to an editor without publishing it. This is the draft page, although I don't think you'll be able to see the updated version since I haven't clicked on "publish changes": https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Qmerit&action=edit Msbreslow (talk) 19:15, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Please just hit publish and if you think it is ready submit. there is no pre-review option.Theroadislong (talk) 19:31, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response and the comment you left on the draft page. I've updated the draft to (hopefully) address everyone's concerns (and clicked on "publish changes" like you said - I appreciate the explanation). Msbreslow (talk) 20:27, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Msbreslow. "Publish changes" means "save" - it doesn't mean "publish to be part of the encyclopaedia". It was changed a few years ago, to remind editors that all edits are visible to anybody who goes looking for them: there are no private pages anywhere in Wikipedia.

You can continue to edit Draft:Qmerit, publishing your changes, until you have dealt with the issues mentioned by the reviewer, and then submit it again with the "Submit" button.

Note that you should remove any reference that doesn't mention Qmerit, or that only mentions its name, and also most references that come from QMerit, including from press releases (in particular, I think the Tom Moloughney piece is just regurgitating what QMerit says, rather than being truly independent). ColinFine (talk) 19:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! I went ahead and hit "publish changes." Looking back, I felt the same way as you on the Tom Moloughney piece - that's one of the references I removed. Msbreslow (talk) 19:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Resubmitting articles for review.

I made a draft:Darknet_(Neural_Networks) and seeing it is my first article I did not know if I fixed the problems User:BuySomeApples kindly showed me. " This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of websites). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. "

I found some more references that are longer about the floss program, darknet, but should I resubmit it for review now, or is it better to check more Wikipedia guidelines before using the resubmit button, so it will not be reviewed too soon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Other Cody (talk • contribs) 22:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Other Cody: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest adding a |website=, |work=, or |publisher= parameter for each citation template. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Copy and pasted from another website

This section is almost exclusively a copy and paste from a website called EarlyChristian Writings.com.

In this instance, it is best to confirm the sources (linked here), or just the website? Or would you suggest basic reformatting the wall of text?

Thanks! Doctor165 (talk) 21:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Doctor165: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest rewriting and summarizing what the website says, and then adding a reference for the web page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Doctor165, thank you very much for this report. Earwig's tool agrees with you and reports a high likelihood of copy violation, with the similar passages highlighted.

Note that copying may occur in either direction; that is, sometimes websites copy from Wikipedia. Once it's established that we copied from them, the copyrighted material must be removed from the article, and the record of it in the page history must be permanently expunged from Wikipedia; any editor can do the former, and an administrator can delete the old versions from the history page.

The important thing to do, is to signal right at the article using Template:Copyvio that the material is suspected to be a copy violation, which will signal administrators to have a look at it and make a determination, and take the appropriate action. I have added the template; you can see the result now at Barnabas#Alleged writings.

Whether or not you choose to rewrite or summarize the former text is up to you (please don't remove the template, if you do), but by far the most important step is to signal the suspected violation. There are a couple of steps after that (logging the notice, and notifying the contributor) and I'll take care of those. If it turns out that the copying went in the other direction, the investigating admin will simply remove the template. Thanks again for signaling this potentially serious problem, and happy editing! Mathglot (talk) 23:23, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Can I upload files from my Desktop Downloads file to Wikipedia?

Can I upload files from my Desktop Downloads file to Wikipedia? MaryKathleen7 (talk) 22:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I think you can as long as it follows Wikipedia policy. special:Upload Other Cody (talk) 22:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@MaryKathleen7: You need to be sure that the file you are uploading is either in the public domain, or covered by a licence which enables it to be copied on wikipedia. (Or that there is some reason why a fair use claim can be made for the use of the image.) If you do not know, or are unsure, then you should not upload it. Per the link which Other Cody provided, most files should not be uploaded because they are encumbered by copyright and lack a free licence. The most recent file of yours that I've seen, which you mention below, was a copyright violation, something taken from a third-party website which did not provide a licence for reuse. So, to repeat: If you do not know, or are unsure, then you should not. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:20, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Bobby Vee with Strings and Things

Bobby Vee with Strings and Things did my article recived article approved cause i didn't get notice? Samchristie05 (talk) 00:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Samchristie05: It did. It was moved to mainspace by user:Another Believer, but perhaps manually rather than by using the normal Articles for Creations controls which would have left a note on your talk page? Anyway: it is now an article, so, thank you for writing it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

the reason why i keep every of my article in Article wizard Create Draft, cause i need to create music albums on draft, and waited for you guys to get approved to my article, and it doesn't work and i edited instead of the normal Article to Creations Controls. Samchristie05 (talk) 00:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

thanks cause i always wanted to stick on Wikipedia Article Wizard

Draft Creation Samchristie05 (talk) 00:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Reference help required

Lee Jun-ho (entertainer)

Hi. I wonder if someone could help me please. I seem to have made a right hash of this. I added a reference which is appearing under external links, but I wanted it to only appear in references. It is there, but appears with an error. It looked fine when I published it, but has now thrown an error and I don't understand what is wrong with it. This is reference 91 regarding Fundex awards (GOODDATA Corp). Ideally, it would not appear under external links at all and would appear correctly under references.

In addition, the row in the awards table that refers to the Fundex Award is a different format from everything else in the table. It seems that other data has been added using a template and I can't figure out how to get this row in the table looking the same as everything else.

If I could just get help to fix this page, I don't think I will have another go ever! I'm traumatised. You can't even seem to delete what you have edited. I didn't know about the sandbox or this site. I need to spend a lot more time learning before attempting changes again!

Thank you for any help. PetKat04 (talk) 02:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@PetKat04: Sorted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

You are a miracle worker! So fast. Thanks so much!!!! PetKat04 (talk) 02:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

my page is rejecting continuesly how can i improve

am submitting pages but its rejecting continuesly kindly asist me on this Ab.ms.abi (talk) 04:29, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ab.ms.abi: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1209. Your question here is the only one I see in your contributions, though you have made 4 edits in total, which suggests that pages you created before have been deleted. Usually they're deleted for reasons like advertising or otherwise inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you look up the exact names of the pages that were deleted you should see a deletion log as a popup if you try to edit them, which will show which admin deleted it and why. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:36, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

How can i overcome ands submit again and get aproval Ab.ms.abi (talk) 04:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ab.ms.abi, are you referring to your sandbox? Your sandbox was deleted because it was apparently misused as "web host" per the admin who deleted it. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Ab.ms.abi, here is the first paragraph of what Fastily very rightly deleted: In the fast-paced world of Internet technology, one company stands out for its commitment to connecting communities globally. Town Contacts Technologies Pvt Ltd (Town) is a dynamic Internet Technology Company that has been at the forefront of providing a diverse range of Internet-related services since its inception in 2014. And it continues in the same style. This is blatantly and crudely promotional. Yes, as Tenryuu surmised above, it's advertising, and utterly inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If the assistance you're asking for is assistance in advertising Town Contacts Technologies, the answer is a flat "no". -- Hoary (talk) 07:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

If you persist in trying to create an article with such strong promotional content it will be Speedy deleted again and you will be indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 09:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

How can I delete a photo I uploaded to my account?

I uploaded a file which I now want to delete. How do I do that? Thank you ahead of time. MaryKathleen7 (talk) 23:15, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I've marked the WP and Commons instances of this image as copyright violations; both should be speedy deleted shortly. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:22, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will try to get permission to use the photo. Can the permission be verbal or must it be in writing? MaryKathleen7 (talk) 01:04, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

The easiest thing to do would be to have the photographer/copyright holder upload the image themselves. Please see donating copyrighted materials. 331dot (talk) 01:08, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

MaryKathleen7, 331dot is correct in describing the easiest way. There are other ways as well which are more complex and are described at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. In all cases, the free licensing of a photo is a legal transaction, and precise legal language must be used. Only the copyright holder, who is usually the photographer, can freely license their work. Verbal permission is not acceptable in any case. Cullen328 (talk) 03:14, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MaryKathleen, and welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to what 331dot and Cullen328 said, note that permission to use an image in Wikipedia is not not enough. The mission of Wikipedia is to provide a freely-reusable collection of information, so as a rule we require not that images have permission to use them on Wikipedia, but that the copyright holder has licensed them in such a way that anybody may freely reuse (or change) them for any purpose, commercial or not, as long as they attribute the source. You'll need to make that clear in approaching the copyright holder. ColinFine (talk) 11:25, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Maximum amount of times you can edit an article

Hi, I just started using wikipedia and I was just wondering if there is a max amount of times that you can edit an article if you made a few mistakes, thanks! Soup Muncher II (talk) 17:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no such thing as maximum number of edits. However there is a three-revert rule, so be careful when reverting. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 17:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Soup Muncher II: Other than the physical limitations of the database, there are no hard limits. However, if you are repeatedly editing to game the system, you will get flagged, and the 3rr that Delta mentioned. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

If you make a mistake, just fix it, and indicate what you are doing in the edit summary. Other editors will appreciate your honesty. It's not all that rare that I'll make a mistake and then fix it with an "Oops" comment in the summary, along with some detail of how I screwed up previously. Mathglot (talk) 11:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

What variation of English is preferred when editing?

Do English-language editors on Wikipedia use American English, Canadian English or UK English for spelling, punctuation, etc.? Chikaren (talk) 09:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Chikaren Welcome! Language is one of a few issues where the en-WP-way is to keep it consistent within an article. If you edit the article London, you use UK, if you edit New York, you use American. And if you edit cheese, you follow the style that is there already, assuming there is one. More at WP:ENVAR. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Chikaren (talk) 09:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

For more information, see MOS:ENGVAR. Just wanted to let you know that more information about this is available. TypoEater (talk) 15:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Wait, oops, I didn't see that someone else had already said that. My bad! TypoEater (talk) 15:12, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Agree with everybody, except that when we edit cheese, we should use French English. Mathglot (talk) 11:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Fromage that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Kindle Books

How can I cite the Kindle version of a book? LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 04:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@LeónGonsalvesofGoa: Welcome to the Teahouse! When I tried WP:KINDLE, I was redirected to Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Books_and_print_articles, which states "If there are no page numbers, whether in ebooks or print materials, then you can use other means of identifying the relevant section of a lengthy work, such as the chapter number or the section title." GoingBatty (talk) 06:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@LeónGonsalvesofGoa: Rightly or wrongly, I use the at parameter to reference the Location within a Kindle book. I do this with the rp template. For example:

<ref name="aardvark" />{{rp|at=Location 33}}

I don't know if this is an "official" method, but it seems to work. Mike Marchmont (talk) 12:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Is the school "Starkey Ranch K-8" significant enough to warrant its own article?

It is located in Odessa, Florida, it is mentioned in Pasco County Library Cooperative. It is obviously a K-8 school. I am asking because I am not sure if this school is significant enough to get an article. The school was also constructed recently. NotABlanker (talk) 13:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@NotABlanker: see WP:NSCHOOL Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 13:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of content if not notable/unsourcable

I'm in the midst of making some minor edits to a rapper's article, and there's a section where a song he was featured on by a notable artist followed by a song he was featured on by a less notable one - "In June 2021, Carti was featured on rapper/producer Pi'erre Bourne's song "Switching Lanes" from his The Life Of Pi'erre 5 album and on rapper Lil 1 Dte's single, "Homixide" from his self-titled mixtape." I have a citation for the Pi'erre Bourne song, but Lil 1 Dte isn't notable enough to have an article written about the track.

In this scenario, is it best to leave a "citation needed" tag, or delete the mention of the unsourcable track entirely? EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 23:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

You need to make a judgement when you come across issues like this; is the uncited assertion worth noting in this article, or not? A quick google suggests to me that Lil 1 Dte is not obscure and nor is his work "Homicide". I know little about rap, but I'd be leaning towards either finding a citation, or using {{cn}}, rather than deleting. But there may also be other choices; artist articles may have tables of the artists work (or perhaps use of the artist's work by other artists) either in the main article or a discography article, so the possibility is that the fact can be represented somewhere else than the paragraph you found it in. But it is absolutely the case that there'll be places where mentions are made of completely non-notable artists, within articles about notable artists, with a view to promoting the non-notable artist rather than improving the encyclopedia. Where you believe that's going on, then deletion is a good outcome. (And to pick up on the observation you made, whether an artist or a track has a wikipedia article can be factored in to your judgement on whether a fact should stay or go, but it should not be the only measure, nor should undue weight be placed on it. Wikipedia's coverage is far from universal; there are many well-enough known artists and tracks which do not have wikipedia articles, but which return enough google hits to suggest that they're not completely obscure. There's a very wide spectrum between notable-enough for a stand-alone wikipedia article, and so obscure as to be of no conceivable interest in / relevance to another article.) --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice! I think I conveyed my words slightly wrong, however - I meant article as in a secondary source online when I said "Lil 1 Dte isn't notable enough to have an article written about the track", I meant news coverage, rather than a specific Wikipedia page.

But thank you very much for your advice, I'll scour online for any reliable references to Lil 1 Dte - my guess is, however, that there may not be much news coverage of this track, and is not likely to be as the track is a few years old, which is why I am leaning more towards deletion rather than a request for a citation. I believe that the reference to "Homicide" was in good faith, but whether it is sourcable is another matter. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 14:18, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Source Ok thing

Hello, I remember in the past seeing a page where it had many soruces and they were color coded, and it said whether or not they were good to use but I do not remember what it was called.  Casper king (talk) 14:47, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Casper king: Are you thinking of WP:RSP? Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes thanks. Casper king (talk) 14:50, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Resysopping after inactivity

There should be a policy which states that admins have to reapply for adminship after a period of inactivity. What is the link for this? Logoshimpo (talk) 14:47, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Logoshimpo: Its part of Wikipedia:Administrators, see Wikipedia:Administrators#Restoration of admin tools. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Citation/Source/Reference

Greetings!

how to add a citation in infobox? Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 14:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman: are you using visual editor? I usually switch to source editor when I need to insert a citation somewhere. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 14:31, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

yeah, actually i used both, but still i don't know how to add a citation in infobox. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 14:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman: Have you tried putting "<ref>the citation</ref>" after the content in the infobox while in source editor? Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 14:54, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

thanks you so much, i'll try. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 14:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Uman holistic help

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Uman Hi I just wanted to have someone look at my page and suggest some edits because what keep happening is someone will find one issue and I fix it and publish and then someone finds another issue and then I republish but if I could have someone look at it as a whole and make and let me know what issues are with it overall I can fix it and get published without all the back and forth. Nabil vega (talk) 16:10, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Nabil vega, I'm puzzled by the phrase "'Collective Impact' Model with Collaborative Representation of Artist Uman". Is that the name of a work (or exhibition, etc.)? If not, why that capitalisation? Maproom (talk) 16:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

It a term when a smaller independent gallery works with a bigger Blue Chip Gallery to share the responsibilities of an artist. Usually and artist would leave their smaller independent gallery for the more resourced gallery. So the term is important and also showing a shift in the art world. its a specific model but I can also uncapitalize it. Nabil vega (talk) 17:08, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

@Nabil vega: I suggest you review the adjectives in the draft. For example, what's a "taste-making" gallery? What source states that she "dazzled with their unorthodox and wholly original approach"? What source described her I Want Everything Now show was "successful"? Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion Nabil vega (talk) 21:21, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

made the changes and added more inter wikipedia links to bolster the notability and connections to the broader artworld. Nabil vega (talk) 22:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Nabil vega, the "Personal life" section mentions her dogs and cat by name, and her chickens. This is referenced to an ARTNews article that says nothing about either dogs or cats or chickens. Why is that and how did you obtain that pet information? Cullen328 (talk) 22:16, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

this information was in an earlier version of the article I can remove that detail Nabil vega (talk) 15:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Awards Content assessment and importance scale

Hi, so I'm new to this Teahouse thing (and talk pages in general), and I finished making major changes to a certain (but unknowing) article. I noticed on its talk page that the article was part of the WikiProject Awards group, and that its content assessment and importance scales are set to Stub and unassessed, respectively. I know that higher ranks (eg. Featured, A-Class and Good Articles) need to be assessed and discussed by multiple people, but for the lower ranks, if the article meets the requirements, can I promote these ranks on my own (e.g. Stub → Start; unassessed → Low), or do I need someone's permission? If so, to what extent can I independently promote these articles ranks to?

I'm asking this here because this feed seems welcoming, and there's no activity on the talk page of the article I worked on. - Alex26337 (talk) 14:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Guessing this is about August-Graf-von-Platen-Preis, and yes, clearly no longer a Stub. Personally, I have felt comfortable upgrading Stub to Start and Start to C-class, but hesitant about doing C-class to B-class based on my own contributions. See Wikipedia:Content assessment for some guidance. David notMD (talk) 15:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Alright based on your advise and how I reviewed the article as it currently stands, I promoted it to Start class (I still felt it needs more info) and Low scale. Thanks for the feedback. - Alex26337 (talk) 15:40, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Copyright

Can I add information to my website from Wikipedia if I mention the source?

I want to make a website where there will be information from defferent egyclopedias like Wikipedia...

Constantin Psyllas Jounior Evidouvi (talk) 15:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Evidouvi: I think this would be useful WP:MIRROR Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 15:17, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Evidouvi You may of course just want to use small portions of the Wikipedia content, in which case please see WP:REUSE for the licensing requirements. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:01, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Discord

I noticed you have a discord but couldn't find the link to it on it's dedicated page. Any help? Frittle (talk) 13:44, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Frittle: https://discord.com/invite/wikipedia Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 13:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

tnx Frittle (talk) 13:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Frittle: Welcome to the Teahouse! On Wikipedia:Discord, the link provided above is also available in the blue "Join Server" near the top of the page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Getting started as an editor

I need some help, I just started using wikipedia and does anyone have any suggestions/tips on starting as an editor? Thanks! Soup Muncher II (talk) 16:39, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Please see our introduction page and The Wikipedia Aventure. These two pages will introduce you to the software and our key policies and guidlines. Once you feel up to the task, see here for instructions on how to make your first article. I will also leave more information on your talkpage. Happy editing, NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 16:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Oft-repeated (oft-ignored) advice is put in time - months - working at improving existing articles before attempting to create and submit a draft for a new article. David notMD (talk) 17:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Paid Editing

I got hired part-time to edit some articles on Wikipedia, and my client informed me that the previous editor they hired got blocked from Wikipedia for sockpuppetry. If I continue to edit the same existing articles, won't Wikipedia think I am another sockpuppet account? How do I "prove" that I am indeed a different person or account? Glossy1718! (talk) 01:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

See WP:PAID. You should not, in my view, be taking work as a paid editor because you inevitably have a conflict of interest which will be to the detriment of the encyclopedia. You will not fall foul of sockpuppet policy if you are using a different IP address than previous paid editors. Ideally you will let us know who the client is so that work associated with that client can be checked for the sort of bias which tends to be introduced by the activity you have declared yourself to be engaged in. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Korean Academy of Science and Technology :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Glossy1718!. In addition to what Tagishsimon mentioned above, you might want to consider having your account verified by WP:VRT. This could help to clarify to others that you're who you're claiming to be and not someone else. You can do this by sending an email to Wikimedia VRT asking what's needed for VRT to verify your account. Of course, this will only probably work as long as you're not using the same IP address as the editor who was blocked. You could also try emailing paid-en-wpwikipedia.org and explaining your situation. That email address is primarily used for reporting suspected undisclosed paid editing, but they might be able to help you with your sitution. Regardless of what you end up doing, you and your boss should probably take a look at WP:OWN and WP:BOSS. You should also be using article talk page's to make edit requests instead of trying to directly edit the articles you've been tasked to improve yourself. Finally, you should avoid repeating the mistakes of your predecessor. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:59, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Glossy1718, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure why neither Tagishsimon nor MarchJuly has explicitly told you that it is mandatory for you to make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor.

Please also note that most editors are volunteers, giving their own time; and while many of us are ready to spend time helping new editors learn what they need, it is an odd situation if we find ourselves giving our time to help somebody who is being paid but has not yet learnt what they need to know. I urge you to go slowly, and make sure you understand Wikipedia policies (especially verifiability and neutral point of view) before you attempt to work on articles about your clients. ColinFine (talk) 11:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I see that you have properly declared your paid intention to provide new content and revise content for Korean Academy of Science and Technology. Per Wikipedia guide at WP:PAID, refrain from editing the article directly. Instead, create a section or sections at the Talk page of the article, proposing your changes and the references validating those changes. Add a review request. An editor will review your proposed changes and either implement or deny. Continue to add declarations of paid status for each article you are being paid to amend. David notMD (talk) 17:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Company Tree's

There's a company (grandparent) which had a smaller company (parent), which had 8 divisions (children).

A bigger company (great great grandparent) took control of the main company (grandparent) in 2015, and put its child (great grandparent) in charge of it and 3 other companies (so the great grandparent is now in charge of 4 grandparents)

However the main company (grandparent) still continues to use its name today as its "official company name", even though it's child (parent) is now the "trading name" of the overall brand.

There's not really any mention of the "official company name" so my question is...

Can the "official company name" aka grandparent (which doesn't have an article for some reason) be added as a Parent company of the parent, along with the great grandparent which has already been added?

Also should the great great grandparent be added as the "owner"? Danstarr69 (talk) 16:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Welcome to the Teahouse! I believe you're asking if new articles can be added for parent companies and corporate owners. Just as WP:BIORELATED tells us that "Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person", WP:INHERITORG tells us that "A corporation is not notable merely because it owns notable subsidiaries. The organization or corporation itself must have been discussed in reliable independent sources for it to be considered notable." Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:52, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

GoingBatty No, I'm saying there's technically 2 parent companies...

One which is the new parent, and is in charge of four separate entities.

One of which used to be the parent, but is now just the "official company name" of the company which used to be it's child.

1 - Can both be added as parents?

2 - Can the owner of the new parent, be added as the owner of the smaller company? Or should the overall owner only be listed on the new parents article? Danstarr69 (talk) 17:01, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Are you asking about updating existing article(s) or adding new article(s)? What existing article(s) are you referring to? What published reliable sources have you gathered, and what information do they contain? GoingBatty (talk) 17:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

GoingBatty Updating existing articles...

Vantiva owns Technicolor Creative Studios which is the parent of Mikros Animation which used to be under Mikros Image.

However Mikros Image is now the "official company name" of the "trading name" Mikros Animation.

Mikros Image needs to be mentioned somewhere, but where exactly.

I'm not sure whether Vantiva should be added as the owner of Mikros Animation or not.

Once this is sorted out, I'll then mention the old and new divisions on the article. Danstarr69 (talk) 17:47, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: I suggest you start a discussion on Talk:Mikros Animation to discuss your questions with others editors, and provide the published reliable sources you have gathered that discuss the various ownerships and name changes. GoingBatty (talk) 17:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

What can be broken before it can be used

What can be broken before it can be used

41.122.4.148 (talk) 17:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

A glowstick Soup Muncher II (talk) 17:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? 57.140.16.1 (talk) 19:57, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Eggs. Mathglot (talk) 11:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

The human spirit. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.111.170 (talk) 18:00, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Tools

Hello and Greetings to You all, actually i’m finding some wikipedia tools which can make editing more easy and good. I may ask you to pls suggest me some of the tools. Pls. Thanks — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 17:59, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@QuadriOnMobile, hello! Have you checked Gadgets tab in the Preferences menu? There are multiple tools in the Editing section which you might find useful. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 18:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Deltaspace42 I know those, but i need suggestions of editors that which is the best tool. — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 18:05, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@QuadriOnMobile If you intend to edit from your mobile, you might like to read these suggestions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:12, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I went through it, it is very informational. Thanks — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 18:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Is this a reliable source?

Looking for sources for alumni from a university in Brazil but I was wondering if edurank.org is a reliable source. It looks like it is but I am just trying to confirm. KaedenAwesome (talk) 20:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@KaedenAwesome: see WP:RSN. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 20:36, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@KaedenAwesome I will just wing it. It may be a reliable source for the fact that the individuals listed are in fact alumni. However, I would not consider the brief descriptions as reliable. We have no idea about the sources they get this information from or what process they use to establish its accuracy. Fabrickator (talk) 21:20, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Cabinets of Goverments

I want to expand List of cabinets of Greece in order to create articles about all Greek governments. However, I don't know what the appropriate title is. This article for example,Second Cabinet of Kyriakos Mitsotakis writes about member of cabinets only, but i want to create articles about government work also.

Thank you...D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi. You should start a discussion on talk page of that article. Aredoros87 (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

there isn't a general rule about the proper title? D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

There's actually. Take a look on WP:AT Aredoros87 (talk) 19:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome! Aredoros87 (talk) 22:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

www.thestar.com.my.

Is the website www.thestar.com.my. considered a reliable source? I saw it used in the article Kuan Kam Hon and I was wondering whether or not it should be removed. Casper king (talk) 19:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Casper. The best place to ask about reliability of sources is WP:RSN. ColinFine (talk) 19:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Casper king: We have an article on it: The Star (Malaysia). I would say it's a reliable source but probably not for articles about the government or current ruling party, similar to The Straits Times in Singapore, which has the same trust rating by its audience according to our article on The Star. Asking on WP:RSN is a good idea, as ColinFine suggested. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Article: Cowbridge Grammar School

I am a moderately experienced editor. I am struggling however to place an image at the top left of a chapter/paragraph of an article ie the above. The chapter is Notable Former Pupils. When I look at the preview the image seem fine at the top left. However when I publish even afer many attempts, it sits in the middle. Help needed! Hjamesberglen (talk) Hjamesberglen (talk) 21:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Cowbridge Grammar School

It's being forced down the page by the infobox. Not sure what the solution is. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:40, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon: I've also tried removing "Cowbridge school, c.1860" image and after that the "School cap" image was correctly in the corner despite being higher than infobox's bottom, so it's not the infobox issue. It's still very weird behavior. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 22:04, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps it's just as well. The page looks like a car-crash with the image in that position. No-one sensibly wrecks a bullet-point list by pushing the first six or so rows to the right just to shoehorn an image in. I've moved the image to the references section, where there's space for it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:12, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Hjamesberglen: Yeah, I've tried replacing "File" with "Image", clicked preview, seemed ok, published, and it's again in the middle. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 21:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks to y'all for trying. I just wanted to place the school cap in the top left of this chapter. I've never has this problem before! Maybe a tech/bug issue then? Hjamesberglen (talk) 22:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I moved the "Cowbridge school, c.1860" image to the History section, and it looks okay now. ayakanaa ( t · c ) 01:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Journal publications in articles about academics

Wondering what the policy is about how many, and which, journal articles to include in articles about academics. This came up for me most recently in Phaedon Avouris, but is a general question. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 02:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Although it doesn't directly address the question, Wikipedia:Notability (academics) (apologies if you're already familiar with it) might suggest a general approach and might contain relevant wikilinks.

Much may boil down to common sense – listing an academic's every publication would usually be excessive, listing really influential ones would be expected, for those in between it might need a case-by-case judgement. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.111.170 (talk) 02:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I have often see sections with title "Selected publications" and 4-8 journal articles listed. Keep in mind that any listing of publications does not add to notability. David notMD (talk) 03:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

How to add language

Hello, I'm HmmOily and I want to know something. The page List of trigonometric identities has 38 languages, without Bangla. I recently created a Bangla version of that page ত্রিকোণমিতিক অভেদসমূহের তালিকা. But still the language number is 38, not 39. What will I do? Shabib (talk) 02:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HmmOily (talk • contribs)

Add a sitelink to wikidata - diff --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject on closed proxies

The project seems to be inactive, and the only person who can give access to the proxy hasn't edited it since 2018. Are there alternative options available? Ferrari 499P (talk) 06:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Am I understanding "Public Domain" the right way?

Hi Teahouse,

One of my subjects of interests is Australia, its defence and decision makers. A while ago I discovered (wonderfully) that photographs published openly by the US Department of Defense are all public domain. So I've gathered relevant shots onto a photo sharing platform, Flickr, and from there I choose relevant ones to upload onto wikimedia, which, for me, is a really simply process and easy to manage.

All of that has gone well, until, overnight, a user has decided to challenge, it would appear, almost all of those images. Yikes. You'll find that challenge here

My understanding is that images published to the public domain mean that they can exist on anyone's photo stream or file sharing platform, that people are free to "copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format for any purpose, even commercially."

I still have plenty to learn here, so am happy to have the process explained to me. I'm very keen to do things the right way, even as I (hopefully) improve articles.

MatthewDalhousie (talk) 07:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC) MatthewDalhousie (talk) 07:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

MatthewDalhousie, welcome to Wikipedia! First, Wikimedia Commons is a sister site of Wikipedia, but also a separate one; it would be helpful to centralize future discussion regarding this topic on that site (commons.wikimedia.org).
I think the user you mentioned's main concern is that you have tagged the images under a Creative Commons license, while they are in the public domain. Public domain is allows for anyone to use the image in any way they like, but CC licenses often can be more restrictive. As these images seem to all be created by the US government, and therefore in public domain (and not CC), they would definitely be welcome on Wikimedia Commons!
They should, however, be tagged properly using the public domain license tags. A list of them is here c:Category:PD-USGov license tags, they are broken down by department (DoD, DoE, etc.). Cheers! — Frostly (talk) 08:01, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Another matter is that the "Author" field should be set to the photographer where possible, instead of yourself. Hope that helps! — Frostly (talk) 08:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

MatthewDalhousie, public domain means that the text or image is completely outside the realm of copyright laws, either because the copyright has expired or no copyright has ever existed. Works created by employees of the US Federal government while performing their job duties are in the public domain and are not restricted by copyright law in any way. The purpose of CC BY 4.0 or CC BY 2.0 licenses is to allow copyright holders to freely license their copyrighted material for re-use by anyone. There is no need whatsoever to apply CC BY licenses to public domain works, and you have no right to apply a CC BY license to any work that you are not the copyright holder of. All those files you uploaded to Commons should be tagged as public domain, not CC BY. Cullen328 (talk) 08:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I see also that you've uploaded photos from Flickr without a link to the original source URL; it's helpful to include one to help verification of public domain status. — Frostly (talk) 08:14, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

1. @Frostly, thanks for the kind note and clear suggestions.
2. I didn't even know there was a "public domain" setting for images updated from Flickr! I will be looking for that!
3. Thanks you to you @Frostly and @Cullen328 for pointing out that Public Domain means there is no copyright whatsoever. I'm no lawyer, and I didn't know that's actually different to Creative Commons 2.0, 3.0 or 4.0. Where possible and appropriate, I will remove the
4. Point taken about tagging correctly. I had thought that the Flickr wizard would absorbed that, but I can see it's just a bit more homework for me once it's uploaded. At that point I will see if I can make it clear that, with public domain images, that it's given that setting if the option is there. I trust it is.
5. I will also look for the author field, and complete it with those details. Thank you both for your thoughtful reply

MatthewDalhousie (talk) 04:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

If I understand some of the elements of copyright law correctly, when a presumed copyright holder of an image donates that image to the public domain, they're waiving all their rights to it. Anyone, for example you, is then free to claim its copyright. Claiming it would not be illegal, but it would be misleading and generally obnoxious, and so I definitely do not recommend doing it (even inadvertently). And I may very well be wrong about this matter. -- Hoary (talk) 08:37, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

“Anyone is then free to claim its copyright.” Well... The point is that for that specific work, once it enters the Public Domain, there no longer ARE copyrights (and thus also no rights to license)”. People are then free to use, modify and reuse the work. To claim copyright is possible, but without modifications to the work, meaningless. To claim authorship over it would be a lie and would classify as plagiarism. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary and @TheDJ,

1. Now you point it out, it makes complete sense to say that public domain means there is no kind of individual right to that image any more. Again, just hadn't occurred to me.
2. Claiming copyright if it is Public Domain is meaningless. *Random further question if you're inclined to give your mind to it!* I know a photographer in Canberra who has shots of various public figures, and says he's happy to have them on wikipedia, but isn't sure about making them creative commons because "once I do that, then people could take one of those images of a public figure and put a swastika on them and there would be nothing to stop that." (Not something I've had to worry about before! But I would have thought that, if someone was going to put a swastika on a picture of a semi-famous Australian they would just do that anyway.) Is there anything I could say to this photographer that would provide some assurance? Which is to say, help!

MatthewDalhousie (talk) 04:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

MatthewDalhousie, I too would think that the kind of person who likes attaching swastikas to people who don't describe themselves as Nazis is unlikely to be much deterred by matters of law. But as for the law, "personality rights" are often invoked. These are mostly (or exclusively?) about commercial exploitation, and so wouldn't be applicable. Perhaps, defamation would be. But as surely will be very obvious, I Am Not A Lawyer. -- Hoary (talk) 04:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

In Australia, defamation laws would definitely come into play. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 04:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

(Says the guy who did law for two weeks.) MatthewDalhousie (talk) 04:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

MatthewDalhousie: honestly, there isn't really any assurance you can give, because your friend is absolutely right. Releasing their work under CC-BY-SA does give other people the right to modify the work in any way they wish, including ways that your friend might not be comfortable with. If they are not willing for their work to be modifiable in this way, they should not release it under CC-BY-SA, and thwrefore should not upload it to Wikipedia. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 04:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking that through @Writ Keeper. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 04:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Frostly about tags, took a look through the extensive list, and I reckon that "Template:PD-USGov-Military" is tag that applies. I've tried to edit the captions with this image here to do that successfully - can you tell me if I have the right idea?</nowiki> MatthewDalhousie (talk) 05:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

MatthewDalhousie, "Template:PD-USGov-Military" is indeed the right template to use! I've made some additional edits on that page. Please see them and apply the principles of them to the other images! Let me know if you have any questions. — Frostly (talk) 08:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Do empty drafts qualify for WP:A3?

I have recently discovered an editor and an IP editor (might be one person, who knows) who are creating drafts for future events without adding anything into it and these just sit in the draftspace. Do these qualify for A3( or G2, G6) or should these be kept for at least 6 months? Respublik (talk) 08:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Respublik: I think they can be speedy deleted under WP:G7: If the sole author blanks a page other than a userspace page, a category page, or any type of talk page, this can be taken as a deletion request. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 08:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Technically they do have the draft AFC template. They're just empty in terms of content. Having re-read the full speedy deletion page, I can see that at least the A3 certainly doesn't apply. Respublik (talk) 08:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Does the editor in question show any history of adding content to the 'empty' drafts once the future events take place? Any success in having AfCs accepted? David notMD (talk) 09:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Notability

What is the notability guidelines for Nominated ministers in Indian states? There is a thing of Nominated Minister/Ranked minister and in hindi it is called “Darja Prapt Mantri”. And kindly let me know that being a Chairman of state-level education board is notable or not? I’m confused. — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 21:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@QuadriOnMobile: see WP:POLITICIAN and WP:GNG. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 21:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Being a Nominated minister passes WP:NPOL? — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 21:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

My reading (of this) would be that such people do not get a WP:NPOL presumption of notability, but must show WP:GNG. They seem to be private individuals nominated to a role by a politician; the roles may or may not be notable. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@TagishsimonThere are some articles in Hindi which shows that Nominated Ministers are most powerful than an MLA, see This, i hope they’re notable. Waiting for your response. — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 09:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

detailed cite questions

I wanted to cite "The Encyclopedia of Mammals" so found another article that cited it to see how it's done, but that raised some questions. Then checked WorldCat to gather more data. Here's the info I have, followed by my questions. my book = my copy of the mentioned book; Mammal = Mammal article (book mentioned in Further Reading but I assume the format should be the same as cited); WorldCat = info from that cite.

my book has:  edited by David Macdonald, assistant editor Sasha Norris

Mammal has:  MacDonald DW, Norris S

WorldCat has:  authors:  David W. Macdonald, Sasha Norris

my book has: this edition published in 2006, copyright 2001, 1st published 2001, reprinted 2002, 2006

Mammal has:  2006, 3rd edition

WorldCat has:  2006, copyright 2001

My book has just the 1st name while others have 1st & 2nd initials or 1st name & 2nd initial. (I know capitalization is wrong in Mammal article.) That's correct info but that's not what is on the book. How should I list the name? My book lists them as editors, others list them as authors. Does this matter? How can I list as editor/assistant editor while using the Cite form.

It looks like the help files say if a book is reprinted (without major changed), I should use the original publication date. If so, looks like the Mammal article is wrong. But do I list the reprinted date anyplace?

As an added complication, this book was also published as a new edition in 2006, but looking at the ISBN, the Mammal article is using the same edition as my book. Sunandshade (talk) 21:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade: Welcome to the Teahouse! Per WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT, use the information in your copy of the mentioned book if that's what you used for your Wikipedia edits. Online resources may be incorrect, or different editions may have slightly different credits. You can use {{cite encyclopedia}} for references. GoingBatty (talk) 21:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

GoingBatty Sunandshade "Online resources may be incorrect" just like with articles/pages/websites on films and TV shows.

I have found countless films and TV shows which have had incorrect release dates by a year or two, in most places online, as most places get their production information from IMDB, if they don't have a Wikipedia article.

However I've also found occasional films and TV shows, which have been incorrect by 3, 4, 5+ years too.

I recently stumbled one which was listed on IMDB as being released in 2001 as a film.

However it was actually a 2 episode TV series which was released in the year 2000, so I've corrected. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:36, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Editorial versus authorial contribution to books certainly can be an important distinction to make, for example when the book is a volume of chapters by different authors. If it's something like an encyclopaedia, usually the editors are responsible for most of the entries as well, and sometimes the entries aren't even individually credited, so calling the editors "authors" is ok.

Worldcat is often sloppy about this distinction, as is google books. (An added complication for google books is that if a Wikipedia citation to a google books source has been generated by a script instead of manually entered, it will always misattribute authorship to the editor(s), even if the google books page itself has correct attribution.)

As to the first name versus initials thing, it sounds like the Mammal article is using Vancouver style referencing, which omits every part of a person's first and middle names except for the initial letters, which it includes smooshed together without any punctuation. It's very common in some scientific fields. You can achieve this affect by setting the |veditors= parameter to |veditors=Macdonald DW, Norris S. If you cite their full names like |editor1=David W. MacDonald|editor2=Sasha Norris, it's altogether possible another editor will change the citation style to Vancouver in order to comply with WP:CITEVAR, so it's not something to worry about too much.

For the publication date bit, you can use |date=2006|orig-date=2001. Reprints from the same publisher usually retain the same pagination.

Online resources may be incorrect is an important bit of wisdom to keep in mind. At some point, any database was populated by a human, or by an algorithm. Both commit errors. Folly Mox (talk) 12:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Folly Mox "Vancouver Style?"

It's called proper English, like the example I've just used by putting the question mark inside the speech marks, rather than outside like Americans would.

I'm constantly correcting things like that on IMDB, especially now than IMDB has started allowing people who use capital letters and initialisms in their names to be added as they are, which most people with stage names like rappers use. Although for some reason it can sometimes takes multiple attempts to get a nickname which contains capital letters in random places to be added.

For example, a few months ago it took me 5+ attempts to add some aliases to a group of rappers from Birmingham. I can't remember the name of the group, however I know that the groups name could be abbreviated (like 1D instead of One Direction), and they all used the groups acronym in their solo rap names occasionally.

The same goes for titles eg Mr, Mrs, Dr etc, however even they are occasionally overruled by the American admins, so you sometimes have to go back and correct them again, as that's how they are listed on screen in British productions, and is what their own guidelines say should be done. Danstarr69 (talk) 00:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Insofar as there is not consensus on what "proper English" is, any argument which begins "It's called proper English" has been lost in that first sentence. The rest is just a parade of prejudice and opinion. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:02, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone for your comments. It has been an enormous help. With all of your comments & links, I have done a ton of research on WP & have learned a lot. I think I now have a pretty good understanding on how to cite an encyclopedia. Whew! Now that I have that under my belt, I can now do the fun stuff ... editing articles. Sunandshade (talk) 09:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Photographing faceless people: continued

The article Billy Woods, the faceless rapper, has a photo of him performing at a concert in 2022. Woods, a faceless person, does not wish to have his face shown. Both IP and registered editors have removed the image of Woods as for his facelessness. Though, even if they are to remove the photo from his Wikipedia article, it still exists on the internet; either that be on Wikimedia Commons, or on his article on the Indonesian Wikipedia.

I have asked for help before on here, and the consensis was to keep, as for Wikipedia:UNCENSORED. The most recent removal of his image was reverted, but the photo is still removed, which I have been reverting edits which do so myself.

Am I correct for reverting these edits, or should his face be removed from the article? Help. Roasted (talk) 17:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Roastedbeanz1, I think you are correct, if something is deleted from Wikipedia just because someone doesn't want something, it's always wrong (well, except for WP:UNDUE cases, but that is not a case here). Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 17:50, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Is there a way I can stop editors from removing his face, or will I have to keep on reverting? Roasted (talk) 17:52, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Roastedbeanz1, I requested page protection. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 17:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Billy_Woods. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Question!!

One more times greetings!

Hey, can you tell me the criteria of a Journalist for article on Wikipedia? Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 14:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman: Hello! Do you mean notability criteria? (If so, refer to WP:NBIO) Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 14:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks you. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

There are not specific criteria for journalists. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks you. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Bare URLs and permanent dead links

Question: If I'm trying to find the information of a bare URL, the url is down, and and there's no archived link, do I note that URL as a bare URL (inline) AND a permanent dead link, or just a permanent dead link?

- Alex26337 (talk) 11:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Alex26337: Hello! I would place both tags, because permanent dead link doesn't imply that it is bare URL. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 11:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Full guidance is at WP:LINKROT. Folly Mox (talk) 12:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Alex26337: Since fixing a bare URL is going to be impossible for a permanent dead link, I suggest something like this: <ref>[https://www.domain.com/foo/bar/bat.html domain.com]{{dead link|fix-attempted|date=December 2023}}</ref> (Note that the example at Wikipedia:Link rot#Keeping dead links does not seem to conform with Template:Dead link#Caveats). GoingBatty (talk) 16:49, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

General question, but confusion

Greetings.

I hope you all are fine, actually, I contribute mostly from Newpagesfeed, sometimes the pages are notable and sometimes not. But I improve everything, i improve every new article.

I had a question for you here, that if I edited a page, immediately after that another editor nominated the page for deletion. So will this have any impact on my account? Like sockpuppet etc? please guide me! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 10:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Editing an article immediately after someone has added a deletion tag to it will have no impact on your account. It's fine. It is not sockpuppetry. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks you. @Tagishsimon! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 10:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman: See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry. GoingBatty (talk) 16:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

How do I upload an image on an iPhone in Safari?

I looked at Wikipedia:Uploading_images but I couldn’t find what it was telling me to do and I was wondering if it had a different procedure on an iPhone in the browser. MountainDew20 (talk) 03:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@MountainDew20: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you're uploading a photograph you took yourself on your iPhone, then try using Wikipedia:File upload wizard. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Academic degrees abbreviations

According Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations academic degrees abbreviations should be in the form BA, MA, etc. without dots but I notice various articles with dots. If I'm editing such an article should I automatically delete the dots? Mcljlm (talk) 16:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: Hello! The most important thing is that style should be consistent within a page. If you want, you can delete all the dots in the article and then in the summary give a link to the manual of style. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 16:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Oops, I meant all the dots related to academic degrees, no literally all the dots. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 16:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Accidentally added first 78 words from an article into the edit summary of a minor edit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Madcon&action=history Any way I can fix this or is this forever going to be there? KaedenAwesome (talk) 12:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@KaedenAwesome: Hello! Could you please clarify what you want to fix? Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 12:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Is there any way to remove the mistakenly added summary? It is honestly embarrassing and I simply wish to know if I must suck it up or if it (just the summary NOT the edit) can be removed? KaedenAwesome (talk) 12:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@KaedenAwesome, you can't remove the summary or edit and it's going to be in the history forever. The only exceptions are when administrators delete edits from history due to copyright violations or other reasons. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 12:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

My shame must now be eternal... KaedenAwesome (talk) 12:59, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

User:KaedenAwesome, don't worry about the edit summary. Thank you for using an edit summary. The edit you've accidentally missummarised does a lot of fiddling with national varieties of English: you've added serial commas, hyphenated an adjective phrase, and changed verb agreement for a corporate subject (Madcon have... → Madcon has...).

In general, these sorts of stylistic changes should be avoided except to make an individual article internally consistent. Wikipedia doesn't privilege any particular national variety of English, so usually the initial variety of any article should be retained. Folly Mox (talk) 13:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@KaedenAwesome: It's a common mistake for new users. Administrators can hide the whole edit summary but we don't do that for simple mistakes. No replacement summary is possible. If we hid it then it would display edit summary removed and some people would think you wrote something abusive which had to be hidden. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Inline citation/footnote for the same source within the article

I have a couple sources. Within my article, I need to reference the same source a couple times. But it generates a new footnote/citation/number each time. I have tried to define a reference list following instructions but I get the error "Cite error: A list-defined reference with group name "" is not used in the content (see the help page)."

To Define my list I did:

< references > < ref name="refname1">citation info here< /ref></ references> (Unlike my example here, in my article, I did not use a space after '< ' - I did it here because if I didn't it was changed how this message appeared).

In my text citation, after the piece of text to cite, I did:

< ref name="refname1"/> (again, no space after the '<' ) I also tried this with and without "refname1" in quotes. I get the same error.

What am I doing wrong? What would make it right?

Curious Canadian 23 (talk) 19:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Curious Canadian 23: Hello! I think you should remove <references> parts and it will work Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 19:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Example: first citation, second citation Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 19:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I tried it that way before adding the < references > part and it still gave me the same error. Curious Canadian 23 (talk) 19:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Curious Canadian 23, I suggest publishing it with duplicated reference, then I will edit it to make one reference and you will see in the diff how it's done. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 19:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

That's very kind of you. I have submitted for review and am unsure how to share a link to the article for you to edit. Curious Canadian 23 (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Curious Canadian, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. You make a Wikilink (a link to a page within Wikipedia) by putting the page name in double brackets, so [[Draft:Aston J. Hall]] appears as Draft:Aston J. Hall. You do the same within an article, so [[York University]] appears as York University. You can change the display text by using a "pipe" character thus: [[Scarborough, Ontario|Scarborough]] for Scarborough.

The fact that you've embarked on the challenging task of creating an article without knowing something as basic as this suggests to me that you are probably giving yourself a disappointing and frustrating experience. Would you enter a competition when you have only just taken up a sport? Or give a public recital an an instrument you never played before last week?

I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making improvements to some of our six million existing articles (and in particular, learning about reliable sources and referencing) before they try to create a new article. In your case, I earnestly advise you to leave your draft on the side for at least a few weeks while you learn the craft. ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Curious Canadian 23 I've merged duplicate references, here is the diff. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 23:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay I see now. Thank you that was helpful. Curious Canadian 23 (talk) 23:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

References

Advertisement of WikiProjects

Hello,

I am wondering if where I can advertise WikiProjects, if it's allowed. I am requesting this knowledge as my project Wikipedia:WikiProject Fossorials has no members yet, and it's its first day. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 20:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Realistically, a WikiProject will not succeed if there are not at least 5-10 members upon launch. Are you sure there are enough people interested in Fossorials for this project to be viable? Mach61 (talk) 21:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, there are many people who like animals and Fossorials are animals that spend most of their time underground, so there are probably going to be people who like animals that are fossorials and maybe consider joining. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 22:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Consider reading Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide before proceeding further. Mach61 (talk) 22:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Memer15151: Wikiproject creation guidance is given at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Creating a WikiProject. The probability is that following this guidance is helpful, not least in avoiding the creation of projects which do not have obvious support. I get the impression you have not followed the guidance, and that you expect, for some reason, that your extremely niche project will be successful despite the long history of projects failing and becoming moribund on WP. I think you're kidding yourself & flogging a dead horse. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Trust me, I have nothing better to do today to be honest. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 23:49, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

But I suppose I will still need to recruit members, and I am still wondering where you can do that. I'm not expecting this to be a super popular project, maybe 15-20 active members at most. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 23:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd suggest G7ing the page for now and recreating after finding interested members. Not everything needs a project. Mach61 (talk) 00:16, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Memer15151: There's Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Recruiting editors, although it seems Reports bot no longer does the task listed here. GoingBatty (talk) 00:19, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

(EC) Well, I gave you a huge great clue, above. Paragraph 2 of the 'Before you begin' section of 'Creating a WikiProject' provides a suggestion for you, which is to find related wikiprojects and post on their talk pages. Wikipedia:WikiProject Animals, for example, but there may be more. Read the section I pointed you to. Right now your project does not seem to have much of an aim, other than to be a project; and that is assuredly not enough. You would be trying to convince users to join, and right now it's not clear what they're joining or why they would be disposed to join. Again, in part, this is the result of your backwards process in which you decided to have a project, then wondered if anyone would like to join it, and perhaps eventually you'll get around to wondering what the project might do. So it's unclear what pitch you'll be making to potential members. And it may be that you get little response; may be that you get flamed for proposing a half-baked idea; who knows. hth. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to thank you for helping me, and I'm sorry if I may sound unprofessional, I'm pretty new to this kind of stuff. I've definitely learned from this.

Kind regards, UserMemer (chat) Tribs 00:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

It's no problem; you're not actively doing harm so it's all good, and, as you say, a learning experience. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

My edit was undone but I do not know exactly why.

My edit of the A. Whipple House was undone but I do not know exactly why, or what I need to do to update the fact that the house no longer exists. It was razed December of 2023. DDezz (talk) 01:55, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @DDezz and welcome to the Teahouse! You must provide a reliable source in the form of an inline citation to confirm that statement. Happy editing, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 02:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. All I have are photos of the demolition and a Facebook post. Will either or both work? DDezz (talk) 02:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

No, neither will. You might look a newspaper website. (Or of course in an actual, wood-pulp newspaper.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:21, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! DDezz (talk) 02:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps this Worcester MA news website. -- Hoary (talk) 02:25, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Distinguishing between articles with same titles...

How to edit wiki pages that have that same article title Mozart12345678910 (talk) 01:47, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Mozart12345678910, it's impossible for this situation to arise. Titles are discrete: as a trivial example, there's If (preposition) and there's also If (subordinator). If there is, say, a musician you'd like to write about who happens to be called Rudy Giuliani, you can create Draft:Rudy Giuliani (musician); when this is promoted to article status, the person who promotes it will do all that's necessary for the title. -- Hoary (talk) 01:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Mozart12345678910: If you have a specific case in mind then post it so we can say what to do there. As Hoary says, it's not possible for two pages to have the exact same title. Maybe you are thinking of something else like what to do if you wanted two pages to have the same title. That will depend strongly on the subject of the pages so we need specifics. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

How does a wiki article get tagged for search?

Does a content creator have to add something specific so that the article appears in search? Blue2berry (talk) 21:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Blue2berry, hello! What do you mean by "appears in search"? Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 21:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Blue2berry, if you mean like Google search, then I believe we can do nothing about it. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 21:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Articles are not indexed on Google until they are reviewed or until 90 days pass. Editors may prevent indexing, via the use of a {{noindex}} tag. For more information see Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing Mach61 (talk) 21:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Please always be specific when you ask questions. There are many possibilities depending on which search feature you mean, where the page is and who created it. If you for example asked "How will Dev Pragad appear in Google searches?" then we could give a much more precise answer. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps. OTOH teahouse users should show patience and accept that users will not always post questions with forensic exactitude; it's probably as well to ask 'did you mean' questions in response, where you are unsure, rather than upbraid the user. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Tagishsimon User:Blue2berry has been an editor since 2017, with some efforts as a paid editor. In my opinion, all of the responders provided useful replies. David notMD (talk) 04:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello

What It's Wikivoyage? Translatemethebolla (talk) 00:19, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Translatemethebolla: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1209. Wikivoyage is a sister Wikimedia project to Wikipedia that aspires to be a user-generated travel guide. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Translatemethebolla: See also the Wikipedia article Wikivoyage. GoingBatty (talk) 04:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

New On Wikipedia

Hello,

I am Jassen Japheth Gaddiun. I am new to wikipedia and was frustrated when my article was rejected. I am new on wikipedia and will really need help. Please

Thank you. Jayofpedia (talk) 09:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Please do not ask the same question in multiple locations, this duplicates effort. Please see my reply at the AFC help desk. 331dot (talk) 10:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I sincerely appreciate. Jayofpedia (talk) 10:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

How to make a category entry say something different to the article name?

I've seen this done but I can't remember how.

Why would you need to? For things like:

• Films/TV shows which are on the same article as the book/books they're based on.
• Specific episodes of a TV series.

Danstarr69 (talk) 09:34, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Danstarr. Unless things have changed since I last looked at this (admittedly, a few years back), you can't. The "pipe" mechanism, which in other links accepts the display text, is used in category entries only for a sort key.

The only thing I can suggest is a redirect: Create the title (film) as a redirect to the title, and add the category to the redirect. See WP:Categorizing redirects. ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Indeed you can't. The redirect option is possible but should usually only be considered if the title of the redirect refers to a limited part of the target, and there are good reasons to include it in a category. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

General question

If i contribute to a page that has been deleted once in the past. So will there be any problem with this? Thanks!! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 13:55, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman, hello! Nobody will punish you for contributing. There might be problems when you create a page, but not when you just contribute to an existing page. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 14:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Deltaspace42, Actually i am new here. So please forgive me. Even if I ask some nonsense questions. I really liked your way of explaining. thank you so much. keep going... Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 14:21, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Need help to publish a page

Hi,

Need help to publish a page, which has been declined earlier. Lam Hasan (talk) 10:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Lam Hasan Hello and welcome. I assume this is about Draft:Syed Waliullah Farrukhabadi. What help are you seeking? 331dot (talk) 10:26, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Please help. Thank you. Lam Hasan (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

My page has been declined, although I have provided citations. Syed Mufti Waliullah Farrukhabadi (died 1833) was a renowned author, thinker, physician and educationalist of his time. British historian William Irvine has written about him, and I have added a few recent newspaper articles that highlight his works. Lam Hasan (talk) 10:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

How do I publish a page? Lam Hasan (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lam Hasan, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many new editors, in immediately trying to create a new article, you are in the position of somebody who takes up a new sport and immediately enters a public competition, or who starts learning a new musical instrument and immediately gives a public recital. Not only are you unlikely to be successful, but you probably won't be able to understand the feedback you get.

I urge you, (as I advise all new editors) to put aside your draft for a few weeks or months, and learn how Wikipedia works by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles - and, particularly, learning about referencing, neutral point of view, and reliable sources.

I have not looked closely at your draft, but I see that most of your references do not give the essential bibliographic information (title, author, publisher, date) that assists any reviewer in evaluating the likely reliability and indepedence of the source. ColinFine (talk) 11:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Colin. I appreciate your point of view.

I want to do exactly what you have suggested, but I am unable to. I was banned for 2 months earlier, and when I logged in today (after nearly 3 months), there hasn't been much headway.

Meanwhile, while I can wait to be a pro and wait for that grand performance, I notice citations in the article which I hadn't added. The references seem of another man by the same first name.

Thank you all the same. 122.161.68.76 (talk) 12:01, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

You are editing whilst blocked which is not allowed, please appeal your block at User talk:Mrjoegoldberg first. Theroadislong (talk) 12:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I was blocked the day I made the page for perhaps reworking it a couple of times. I am not blocked anymore. Lam Hasan (talk) 12:31, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Note: now blocked as a sock. --ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Additional note: while the draft article under discussion here was G5ed, the subject is probably notable, and often named in English language sources as "S.M. Walī Allāh b. Aḥmad ʿAlī Farruk̲h̲ābādī" (more or less), with vital dates 1751/2–1833/4, if anyone feels like looking for sources. Folly Mox (talk) 16:50, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Making an Article for a Little-Known Artist

I came across a book in my grandpa's old things with a delightful and very familiar illustration style. "A Hallmark Pop-Up book- Christmas Time at Santa's Workshop". It's published by Hallmark and doesn't have a date (likely printed late 70's early 80's) so I looked up the artist. This artist, Pat Paris, has no article here but DOES have a Wookipedia article because it seems they illustrated the Ewoks kid's books and might have influenced the later TV show? There's some listings of other books by them on book trading/selling sites but this guy (or girl) has no other info I can find! I don't have enough to MAKE an article. Just a book in my hand and some dead links on Wookipedia. Any idea how to get enough to make a page on them? It feels wrong that WOOKIPEDIA has more than Wikipedia does. [5]https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Pat_Paris#cite_note-Galaxy_3-paperback swap SkeletonGod (talk) 18:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that fan-based wikis tend to have less stringent requirements than Wikipedia does. The Wookieepedia article about Paris has two sources, which is probably insufficient for a Wikipedia article. Terms like "little known" used to refer to a potential article subject usually means that the subject does not merit a Wikipedia article. If you can't find any independent reliable sources with significant coverage of this person, showing how they meet the narrow notable creative professional definition or the broader notable person definition, they would not merit an article. There isn't any way to confer notability on a subject; there must be sources about them, that discuss them in depth and show how they are notable, so that those sources can be summarized in an article. 331dot (talk) 18:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll give up. Just a shame this person illustrated dozens of books at least, some for well known properties, and because they were all likely under tight contract with these companies there's not even a way to document or find them all. Just lost to time. SkeletonGod (talk) 19:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Pat Paris isn't completely lost to time, for there is the Wookipedia stub article. I once started off-and-on searching for information on a once-popular children's author, and when I found something I'd add it to a computer file I started on my desktop. Four years later I published David Cory (author). You might want to start an occasional hobby of looking for Pat Paris information. Even if you never find enough good sources to write a Wikipedia article, perhaps you could add to the Wookipedia article, or find another location to share what you've found. Best wishes on your efforts to learn more about Pat Paris. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:32, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Karen! I'll hold on to what I found for now. At least since their work is with Golden Books, Lucas Films and other bigger publishers I have serial numbers and copyright info to collect. SkeletonGod (talk) 19:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Translating images

Hello! I recently saw an image on LVwiki, that was somehow translated into latvian, while the OG image was in english. Anyone know how to do that? Gatesby1 (talk) 11:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC) Gatesby

Which image on lv:Wikipedia, Gatesby1? Please give its name, after a colon, like this. -- Hoary (talk) 11:34, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I won't be able to find the name since I saw the image some time ago and I do not remember the name of the article/image. All I remember is that when I clicked on it, it gave me the english version of the file. Gatesby1 (talk) 11:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Gatesby1: I don't know their practices but one possibility is that they uploaded a Latvian version of the image but linked the display to the English version with |link= at Help:Pictures#Links. There are also ways to display text on top of an image like {{Annotated image}} but then the original image would probably have no text. The existence and functionality of such templates vary between Wikipedia languages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:57, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Isn't it also possible to have SVG images with text in multiple languages, so that it automagically displays the correct one based on the wiki it's shown on (or maybe based on browser preferences)? --rchard2scout (talk) 17:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know that feature but found commons:Category:Translation possible - SVG (switch). PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

publicar una pagina biografica muy sencilla

similar a esta, pero de otro sacerdote.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Arellano_Roa

Con una referencia a su blog, el cual es de acceso publico y gratuito, adonde el padre ha publicado desinteresadamente decenas de libros, para ayudar a quienes no tienen dinero para comprarlos "en fisico"

por favor ayúdenme, tengo datos, fotos,y el enlace al blog

gracias por adelantado

Luisgilbertosantander (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

¡Hola Luisgilbertosantander, bienvenido a Wikipedia! Si bien todos los esfuerzos para mejorar la Wikipedia son bien recibidos, desdichadamente su nivel de inglés no parece idóneo para hacer contribuciones de utilidad, o las contribuciones no estan escritas en inglés. ¿Sabía que existe una Wikipedia en español? Quizás prefiera contribuir ahí. De cualquiera forma, reciba la más cordial bienvenida a Wikipedia y nuestro agradecimiento por esforzarse. Si necesita ayuda, puede notificármelo en mi página de discusión. 331dot (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

We cannot help you with issues on the Spanish Wikipedia. You will need to talk about your issue there. 331dot (talk) 20:04, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Removing article from a list of articles needing translation

Years ago now I expanded an article (ainu cuisine) because it was on a list of articles needing content translated from the Japanese page (list here). As far as I understand, I should've just been able to remove the tag and it would eventually be removed from that list (other lists work this way, and that's what the instructions imply). But...it's been years and it's still there.

Am I doing something wrong? Erynamrod (talk) 19:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Erynamrod: The article was manually placed into the cleanup category, which I have removed. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! That...does seem like the obvious explanation. Erynamrod (talk) 20:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Seeking Guidance for Wikipedia Edit on New Lynn Coalition

Need help Draft:New Lynn Coalition

Dear Respected Senior Wikipedia Reviewers, I hope this message finds you well. As a new user, I am reaching out for guidance on my first Wikipedia edit, specifically related to creating a page for the New Lynn Coalition. Given that the group is locally based in Lynn, MA, the majority of its references come from local TV and newspapers, and the group's founder is already present on Wikipedia. Initially, my submission was denied due to the inclusion of references from various local sources, which were deemed insufficient. Following this feedback, I removed eight reference links, only to face another denial on the grounds that the information provided did not sufficiently showcase the group. I have attached the link to the organization here Draft:New Lynn Coalition , and I am seeking your expertise in reviewing the third-party media links when you have the opportunity. Your guidance on which references are appropriate according to Wikipedia standards would immensely help me in refining this edit and for future contributions. I am eager to learn and contribute positively to Wikipedia, and your assistance will not only aid in this particular edit but also encourage my continued support for the platform. Thank you very much for your time and consideration. 100.0.214.124 (talk) 21:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I'm wondering if you are affiliated with this organization- if so, please read about conflict of interest.

The sources you have provided do not have significant coverage of the subject. Any article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. An article should not merely tell of the existence of the organization and what it does, there must be discussion as to what independent sources see as important/significant/influential about it- not what it considers to be important about itself. 331dot (talk) 21:28, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I am not a reviewer, but it may be that it is too soon for an article about the New Lynn Coalition. Perhaps you could add referenced information about it to the Lynn, Massachusetts article, and then when you’ve found more reliable references about the coalition, and the improvements it has made to Lynn, you can write and submit another draft article. The reviewer left you the link WP:NORG, which explains the notability requirements for having an article about an organization and, unfortunately, unless those requirements have been meant, your article cannot be accepted. That doesn’t mean the New Lynn Coalition is not a good and important organization, it just doesn’t meet the Wikipedia article requirements. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

im not affiliated with the organization . Thank you for the suggestions . I will research more. Thank you 100.0.214.124 (talk) 22:16, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Reviewers are not looking for consensus

Moved from User talk:XLinkBot § Reviewers are not looking for consensus

 – — Newslinger talk 22:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, I recently published an article. The article was originally called Ineffective altruism. I then nominated the article for peer review, and two reviewers came in, who put my article back into draft space by highlighting a number of Wikipedia policies that I supposedly did not abide by. I felt like most of their comments were unjustified, however, at times they were very well justified and I was happy that they even raised their concerns. Each time, I propose concrete solutions and ways forward that reach a degree of middle-ground. Each time, they shoot my solutions down and refrain from reaching a consensus. At one particular point, one of them even attacked my field by saying Please, let's not follow the annoying habit of many social psychologists of stating grandiose conclusions based on trivial experiments. They are the laughingstock of philosophers of science., which I find very offensive, given that I am a researcher in the field of social psychology. Could you intervene and please help me out? I feel like I am fighting an unjustified battle. The talk page is Draft talk:Barriers to effective altruism. Thank you so much. Glenwspiteri (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I think the specific point in the banner on the draft about sums the issue up. Wikipedia is not a place for informative essays or original research—even if it's really good—it is an encyclopedia, a tertiary source that presents a synthetic description of a noted phenomenon without making synthetic claims. While often supported with data, many of the claims in your draft seem to be your own and not attributed to any independent experts, which makes them original research that cannot be independently verified.
An article about this topic would synthesize multiple notable essays or articles specifically about said topic, attributing different viewpoints when required. Remsense留 22:31, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I think that right now, you can save your revision of the article on a separate site such as Google Docs, and remove the original research from the draft. You could present your data to another organization that accepts original research, and if they do accept the data and publish it in a reliable source, you may be able to cite that source, but please note that just one major source is not fitting for even C-class articles. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 22:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

How to edit?

Im trying to edit people but is there some thing I am missing to keep my edit from being deleted? 2603:8001:A100:18C7:55B:8599:B42:6678 (talk) 00:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

You are adding a nonsense sentence which looks like vandalism. You have been warned against doing this. I expect you'll be blocked if you continue. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:09, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Different Wikitext editors

Hi, in my Wikipedia preferences page, I noticed there was an option to switch between different Wikitext editors. When I look at my contribution log, I see tags like "2017 Wikitext editor" or "Visual edit." I like the way the 2017 Wikitext editor looks compared to the default, but I don't want those tags to crowd up my edits. Is there a way to get around this, or a way to configure a different Wikitext editor? I'm open to trying new editors, I just don't know where to find or configure them/their syntax highlighting. Pauliesnug (talk) 20:24, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps this is an XY problem version of "How do I hide tags in my watchlist or contributions list?". I do not see a preference for that, but I agree it could be a generally useful one. DMacks (talk) 20:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah yeah sorry this wasn't the best of questions. I suppose I was wondering if there were other options for Wikitext editors, and if there is a method to disable that tag. Pauliesnug (talk) 20:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Cryptic quickly responded to my WP:VP/T#Hide tags in watchlist and contributions general question about hiding tags:

.mw-tag-markers { display: none; } in your CSS should do it. (I haven't looked very hard for side effects. You don't mind them going away on diffs and so on, too?) —Cryptic 21:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I don't mind, thank you so much! Pauliesnug (talk) 01:07, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I did some more testing and realised that this solution removes all tags from everyone, and only on my pages. I added a comment on your technical question to Cryptic clarifying. Thank you for the help Pauliesnug (talk) 01:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm just the messenger here, don't know much about WP's css or the various editors. DMacks (talk) 22:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

There's a couple different ways to read this question. If you don't want to see any tags at all - which is what DMacks's post on WP:VPT implied - then the css above will do it. If you just want to hide that specific tag, you'd use .mw-tag-marker-visualeditor-wikitext { display: none; } instead, though you'll still see an empty "(Tags: )" if there aren't any other tags attached to an edit. (JavaScript can get around that, but it's harder, and it'll usually briefly display anyway before vanishing and maybe irritatingly moving the surrounding text around.) If you want to hide either all tags or this specific tag for only your edits, this can be done in the Watchlist and your own contributions list with pure css; doing it in all pages would again need JavaScript with the same drawbacks. If you're asking if there's a way to use the 2017 Wikitext editor without having the tags appear to other users, the answer is no. —Cryptic 22:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Haha thank you so much! I didn't see this reply when I sent the reply to you on the other thread. Sorry for the miscommunication. I do want the final solution that you mentioned, with both JavaScript caveats. The FOUC is definitely annoying, and I don't think that injecting JavaScript to remove a tag on only my contributions for every single page with one of my contributions is advisable or feasible. I wonder if contacting MediaWiki to add an option to disable this would be easier? Pauliesnug (talk) 01:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

RPG?

First, comment below with the name of the adventurer. 170.55.186.37 (talk) 01:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC) (RPG Host)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, neither this page nor Wikipedia as a whole is the right place for a role-playing game. This is an encyclopedia, not a place for casual socialization and games. Bsoyka (talk) 01:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)