Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/log/July 2024
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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was kept by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]
- Notified: JB Hoang Tam, Kalisidina, The Herald, IWikiProject India, WikiProject Awards
I am nominating this for featured list removal because it does not fulfill the featured list criteria anymore. I used this page as inspiration for my FL candidate List of Swiss Nobel laureates, but found that the list in its current status has several issues:
- Sourcing
- The column "Family" is completely unreferenced
- For many entries, the column "field" is unreferenced
- Statements on citizenship at the time of the award are unsourced
- Accessibility
- Table sorting by name, date of birth or death date does not work. Unclear why "Field" or "Image" should be sortable columns
- Uses column headers in the middle of the table MOS:COLHEAD
- No alt text in images
- Prose
- Excessive use of MOS:CAPS
- Some entries have an asterisk that is never explained
- The table section "Expatriates" has different content than the rest of the table, the headers are misleading
- Original research
- Entries such as
Mohammad Hosain Khan (probably Mohammad Habib (1895–1971))
– "probably" according to whom?
- Entries such as
The list needs major work to be brought (again) to standard. Broc (talk) 12:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I have revamped the entire tables with sources and expanded the lead back to the FL version that was promoted in 2019. Since there were no new laureates, the table is unchanged.
- However, the major (horrible) change that the article underwent was the addition of nominees. There are over a score of nominees for the prize. But they aren't significant enough to make the list and since we aren't a WP:DIRECTORY, it was not included. Currently, I'm not sure if the nominees section is needed or not. I haven't touched the section yet. If there is a consensus to keep the section, I'm ready to rewrite that and find sources. Else, that entire section is out of scope and must be removed in it's entirety. Other than that, I would suggest to Keep the FL after the recent edits. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 12:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the improvements, @The Herald! I think it is now much closer to fulfill FL criteria again. The laureates tables should be sortable, and the nominees tables still use MOS:COLHEAD and the sort doesn't work properly. Also, please don't suppress links to images if they are not in public domain, as attribution is required (see MOS:ALT). Broc (talk) 16:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have fixed the table and alt for the laureates. Regarding the nominees table, I'm still not sure if they are even needed or are under the scope. I really question the notability and need for the table. IMO, it should be taken out in it's entirety. The FLC nomination had discussed it at length. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I went bold and removed the nominees section altogether from the article. Major nominees such as Gandhi and Aurobindo who made headlines regarding the nominations are mentioned in the lede. Others are just passing mentions are do not, IMO, has any significant coverage. Also, no other FLs on the awards categories mention nominees for the awards. Hence, removed it altogether. Thanks. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have fixed the table and alt for the laureates. Regarding the nominees table, I'm still not sure if they are even needed or are under the scope. I really question the notability and need for the table. IMO, it should be taken out in it's entirety. The FLC nomination had discussed it at length. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the improvements, @The Herald! I think it is now much closer to fulfill FL criteria again. The laureates tables should be sortable, and the nominees tables still use MOS:COLHEAD and the sort doesn't work properly. Also, please don't suppress links to images if they are not in public domain, as attribution is required (see MOS:ALT). Broc (talk) 16:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Good work by the Herald; it would be nice (IMO) if it had little blurbs about who the laureates were/what they did like the Swiss list, but that isn't big enough of an impediment for me to not say keep. Queen of Hearts talk 07:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep after the significant changes introduced by The Herald. Broc (talk) 10:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep made a few minor changes, nothing significant. Feels pretty much good to go! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been kept, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was kept by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC) [2].[reply]
- Notified: Parutakupiu
I am nominating this for featured list removal because it does not meet the current standards that we'd expect out of a featured list. It has issues with a lack of citations as well as accessibility.
- Lacks appropriate references (need more), especially above a number of tables where unverified factoids sit
- None of the tables are accessible
- No alt text on any of the images
Hopefully someone will take on the task. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, this article needs a a lot of work. Feel free to remove it as a Featured List until we can clean it up. We’re swamped at WikiProject Figure Skating right now. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delist for the reasons outlined in the nomination.Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Happy to allow time for improvements to be made, so striking my vote to delist. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey man im josh, I have begun work on this article today. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Pleased to see the progress being made! I'm more than willing to be patient if an effort is being made :) Hey man im josh (talk) 12:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, the article is in good shape now. 48JCL 19:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I appreciate the compliment. I do still need to finish adding the sources for each set of Olympics. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98, I was AGF that you would add them. 48JCL 14:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- So i supported keeping. 48JCL 14:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sources are all added now. Thank you for everyone's patience! Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh @BennyOnTheLoose, work has been done. Keep? 48JCL 14:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98, @48JCL: I'd still like the images to all have appropriate alt text. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please clarify. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98: Images are required to have alternative text for the seeing impaired, typically describing the photo in some sense. This is typically done by adding
|alt=description of textto the image parameters. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Done. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98, sorry for the late reply. I just went through and I support keeping the list. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98: Images are required to have alternative text for the seeing impaired, typically describing the photo in some sense. This is typically done by adding
- Please clarify. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98, @48JCL: I'd still like the images to all have appropriate alt text. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh @BennyOnTheLoose, work has been done. Keep? 48JCL 14:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sources are all added now. Thank you for everyone's patience! Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @BennyOnTheLoose:: I'm ready to mark this as kept unless you'd like to weigh in further. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh: I'm happy to keep. Thanks. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been kept, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was delisted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC) [3].[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list removal because it fails a number of the criteria. It has been tagged for needing citations for 7 years, with a good amount of that section lacking sources (#3b). The main table doesn't incorporate sortability and its structure should be updated to match List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks (#4), and the statistics section duplicates material that either exists or should be placed in Minnesota Vikings statistics (3c). Lastly, the prose is choppy and should have a good copyedit (#1). « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support in its current state. This clearly wouldn't pass a modern nomination. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 15:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Remove per nom; no attempts at improvement. Queen of Hearts talk 07:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist – issues remain with no work done for nearly a month. Sgubaldo (talk) 16:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist for the reaons given in the nomination. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist per nom. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:43, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.