Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/October 2012

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by NapHit 16:46, 27 October 2012 [1].

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Peter Sellers on stage, radio, screen and record

Nominators: SchroCat (^ • @) 09:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC) and Cassianto^Talk 10:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Known for his clumsy character Inspector Clouseau and his many comic roles on radio, Peter Sellers was one of the best known comedians of his generation. This record of his professional work has recently been split away from the main Sellers page as it was out of place there and not a full reflection of his work. Aside from that, we are now nominating this for featured list status because we believe that it now satisfies the criteria. Cheers - SchroCat (^ • @) 09:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Looks good to me. Rothorpe (talk) 14:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 19:12, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments a few more comments from another look at the list, since my last support back in August. Looks good other than this: Add alt text to the images per MOS:IMAGES Now done. - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Sorry to be a pain, but not correctly. Alt text should actually explain the contents of the image, and not repeat what the caption says or could say. Like, an example, in the first caption, instead of "Peter Sellers" say "a man", or something. TBrandley 16:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC) But the contents are of Peter Sellers, not just "a man". Have a look at the image of Blair and Bush at WP:ALT: "The alt text shouldn't say "Two men shaking hands," because that's not why the picture was chosen; it needs to identify the men". I can tweak the text for the images, but identifying the person as Sellers is a must, I would have thought? - SchroCat (^ • @) 17:24, 19 October 2012 (UTC) I understand that, but the point of alt text is to explain what is in the image itself, for screenreaders. In the alt, it shouldn't identify the man, that's what the image caption is for, alt text is to explain what is in the image, like "a man who is drinking soda" is a good one, just for example, but "Peter Sellers drinking Cola-Cola" isn't, because that's for the image. At the alt text page, it says, "Alternative text (alt text) is meant for readers who cannot see an image, such as blind readers and readers who use a text or mobile browser. It should summarize an image's purpose, and should not duplicate its caption, [or what the caption could be like]." TBrandley 17:39, 19 October 2012 (UTC) We'll have to agree to disagree slightly, I'm afraid. Either way, the alts have now been tweaked. - SchroCat (^ • @) 17:57, 19 October 2012 (UTC) In the image captions, rather than saying "Sellers in 1973 by Allan Warren", etc., could you say "Peter Sellers created BBC Radio and this", that's just an example, I know that's not true, but can it be expanded upon, for all images, and their captions? I've done that for the single portrait images; the images from Dr. Strangelove has enough text already, I think? Let me know if you think differently: I'll tweak further. - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:43, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Looks better, but I don't think the "Photographed in 1973 by Allan Warren" is necessary for the image captions. TBrandley 16:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Removed Warren from the captions - SchroCat (^ • @) 17:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Agreed, that's fine. TBrandley 16:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Link BBC Radio per WP:UNDERLINK Linked. -- CassiantoTalk 03:25, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Tables don't meet MOS:DTT, add table captions to ensure it does Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Well, instead of repeating what says, could you say like, for example, instead of "Stage credits" as a table caption, say "Stage credits of Peter Sellers", etc. TBrandley 16:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC) This concern has now been addressed. TBrandley 19:12, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Avoid bold links per WP:ACCESS and WP:CONTEXTLINK Did you mean 'Dr. Strangelove' in the image header? - if so, it's now delinked -- CassiantoTalk 03:25, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Too many external links per WP:ELNO, remove some Hmm, not sure there were that many but OK. SchroCat, I have gone with IMDb and TCM seeing as we have BFI and Screen online and BFI is generally more reliable. Maybe four EL filmographies were too much. -- CassiantoTalk 03:25, 19 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 23:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 19:12, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks TB—your input (for a second time) is much appreciated once again. Cheers - SchroCat (^ • @) 20:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

• Great news Tate. Thanks, as always, for your excellent comments and support. -- Cassianto^Talk 22:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

;Prose comments from Crisco 1492 You guys really are on a role with these. Here are my comments. This article is not about Sellers himself, but his work. As such, the dates of birth and death are of minimal relevance (years, on the other hand, I've used myself). Might read better if the dates are removed. Agreed, although not removed entirely. I think keeping the years of birth and death does no real harm as somebody viewing may wish to know his life span. Would this be OK? -- CassiantoTalk 22:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC) That's what I was hinting at, yes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Filmmakers the Boulting brothers - Perhaps this is acceptable in BrE, but that reads very uncomfortably for me. Perhaps The Boulting brothers, filmmakers (who had worked with Sellers?)..." reworded. Does this work for you? -- CassiantoTalk 22:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Looks good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC) "this country has produced" - Britain, England, or the UK, or...? This may be worth trimmming the quote. Henry Hall's Guest Night - I'd suggest against linking like this, as this is a single grammatical unit (a title) and should not be split. Unlinked. -- CassiantoTalk 22:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC) as a youngster with his family. - How old, roughly? Sorry I don't have Silkov to hand, but I'm guessing he was a child under the age of ten. SchroCat, would this be about right? -- CassiantoTalk 22:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC) During his career he also released a number of albums, which were collections of sketches and comic songs, the latter of which were undertaken in a variety of comic characters. - Overly complicated sentence, perhaps split like "During his career he also released a number of albums containing sketches and comic songs; the songs were undertaken in a variety of comic characters." Better. Done. -- CassiantoTalk 22:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Fix CN tag. Done. -- CassiantoTalk 22:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks, but that ref doesn't support anything about black humour or contrasting temperaments and styles. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC) No worries. How about this?. As per edit summery, the line came from the finger tips of my co-nom who is currently away. I have put this for now and run it past him when he gets back if that's OK :-) -- CassiantoTalk 23:50, 20 October 2012 (UTC) "contrasting temperaments and styles" is cited to...? Also, question about the Brothers' quote above. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) OK, both done i think. I didn't want to lose the whole sentence so I have cited what is there and lost the "contrasting temperaments and styles" bit. I must admit quotes are not my strong point, so I have somewhat ruthlessly added ellipses to make up for the loss of text as this cannot be elaborated on just yet. Can you check if this is OK? -- CassiantoTalk 00:22, 21 October 2012 (UTC) That changes the meaning a bit much, as now it's putting him above American and Canadian born comedians. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC) OK, I have replaced the quote and specified Britain. Both Sellers and Chaplin came from England; Sellers from Portsmouth, Chaplin from London. I don't want to say England as when we talk about something great in this country we don't really say "the greatest in England", we say "greatest in Britain". It is usual to include Wales, Scotland and Ireland when speaking of "this country" as per the "United" part of one of our many (unnecessary) titles. I'm sure this was what they meant. -- CassiantoTalk 08:31, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Did a copyedit, be sure to double check. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:55, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Yes, great thanks. I have slightly jiggled around the opening so it takes the emphasis off Sellers as a person, and bringing more of a focus onto his career. I see from your copy edit you would say "He made his radio debut on ShowTime in 1948..." as opposed to "He made his radio debut in ShowTime in 1948..." I think someone appears in radio but on television. Or is the problem the two "in's"? If so, would it help putting the year in a parens? -- CassiantoTalk 23:00, 20 October 2012 (UTC) My issue was the two ins, yes. As for on/in, it may be a BrE/AmE difference. Looks like there's just one point left up there  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose. Looks admirably solid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:35, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the review. -- Cassianto^Talk 09:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comment on accessibility. The tables all have well-chosen headers, proper scopes, and good captions, so should be easy for a screen reader to use. The sorting is useful functionality as well. The use of colour has good contrast so the text is easily legible, and no information is conveyed by colour alone. The images would benefit from a little more work. Alt text is indeed there for the benefit of screen readers, and is read out just before the caption, so they always need to complement each other. However, on Wikipedia there is the complication that, by default, every image has a link to the description page for that image, and screen readers will use the alt text to cue the listener to where the link is going. It would be reasonable to leave out the alt text as you suggest where the caption seems sufficient, if it were not for the link (so on decorative images we use |alt= |link= ). In the three images from Dr. Strangelove a screen reader user will hear that there is a link, but will quite probably have no idea of what the link is to. For that reason it is always a good idea to add a few words of alt text, preferably helping a visually impaired reader to understand why you used those three images. For me, the contrast in Sellers' appearance is key: I'd suggest something along the lines of "Sellers with neat hair and moustache in RAF uniform", "Sellers with wild hair and dark glasses is grinning inanely", "Sellers with bald head and thin-rimmed glasses". You may have different ideas, and that's fine as well. I think the advice not to name the subject is simply wrong: not all screen users have been blind all of their lives and many may well have a good idea what the named person looks like. The point being that you don't have to write stilted alt text - just be as natural as you can. Hope that helps, --RexxS (talk) 10:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• I have now adjusted the alt text for all six images. I adopted your descriptions for the Dr. Strangelove images and slightly elaborated on all the others. For a task which appears so simple, it is actually quite difficult to describe a picture in such minute detail. Crazy!. All done :-) -- Cassianto^Talk 12:03, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, writing good alt text is more an art than a science, but practice helps a lot! Minute detail isn't needed, but something that conveys a little of what the image represents is always appreciated by those using screen readers. I numbered the alt parameters for you in the {{multiple image}} template (otherwise the alt text doesn't work). Well done though, I'm very happy to support this FLC. --RexxS (talk) 17:35, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• Fantastic. Thanks for all your help. I have learnt a lot by your comments here today! :-) -- Cassianto^Talk 19:22, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks RexxS, your help is much appreciated——as always! - SchroCat (^ • @) 21:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC)`

• Support – It's comprehensive, well-sourced, can't see any reason not to award it FL status. Only one suggestion: maybe the width of the "notes" column in the filmography could be increased in relation to the other columns, since on small screens some of the entries are huge. Betty Logan (talk) 03:05, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

• Many thanks for your support and comment. I've widened the notes colummn - it was my fault it looked narrow on some screens: I work on a wider screen and forgot to look at what it was like on smaller versions. It's now tweaked. Cheers - SchroCat (^ • @) 05:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments welcome back! lol, thank you. -- CassiantoTalk 19:08, 22 October 2012 (UTC) "1925 – 1980" not sure that needs to be spaced per WP:YEAR? Gap closed. -- CassiantoTalk 17:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC) "conducted a survey on modern-day " wouldn't that be a survey "of"? Yes, my fault. Done. -- CassiantoTalk 17:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Please check all year ranges per WP:YEAR. All done (I think). -- CassiantoTalk 17:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC) For the filmography, is Year the year of general release in the UK? Might be worth noting that. As he's British, yes: it's the date of UK release. Now noted. - SchroCat (^ • @) 20:43, 22 October 2012 (UTC) "Won: BAFTA ..." since this is under notes, perhaps you could drop the colon? Is that just for the one you mention above, or is it for all? -- CassiantoTalk 19:08, 22 October 2012 (UTC) It's more related to the repetition of the information, and the lack of "prose" in the notes if, indeed, they are notes and not just a repeat of the info in the table below... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC) I'd prefer to keep the colon there, RM. The reason is consistency between the various notes fields, with "Won: (list of 2 or 3 awards", followed by "Nominated: (list of 2 or 3 awards)", appearing a few times. Doing those for which he only won or nominated for a single award in a different format would look odd? - SchroCat (^ • @) 20:48, 22 October 2012 (UTC) What is the purpose of repeating the nominations/awards in the filmography table and then again in the awards/nominations table? They serve two different purposes: in the filmography people are looking for (and at) the film information and may be doing so in a chronological sequence. They may be unaware that Sellers won an award and only see it through looking at the overall picture. The awards and nominations table is for those who are looking solely at the awards. Other notable filmographies (Woody Allen filmography and Clint Eastwood filmography) have separate articles that deal with awards and nominations: with Sellers we have incorporated them into one artice for ease. - SchroCat (^ • @) 20:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Personally not convinced. Not sure why you should have same fact in two different places. But I'll defer to the scrutinising public who clearly would have seen this repetition! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC) I do take your point, but the list of nominations within the filmography section loses impact if it's not in a separate table, while not having the info in a notes section in the overall list of films overlooks crucial info about the film and role. - SchroCat (^ • @) 20:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Would prefer to see all ISBN numbers the same format. Good spot! Done. -- CassiantoTalk 17:09, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Most, if not all, of the navboxes at the bottom usually only apply to the biographies, not to related lists, they don't navigate between lists... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:18, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Nav's removed. They are all the same as the main article, so it does seem a bit repetitive to have them here also. -- CassiantoTalk 19:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of SEPTA Regional Rail stations

Nominator(s): –Dream out loud (talk) 15:53, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that it meets the criteria at WP:FLCR. I created the list entirely on my own, based off of List of MBTA Commuter Rail stations, which is another featured list. I have cited each individual station on the list to ensure the page was completely referenced. –Dream out loud (talk) 15:53, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Make lead map image bigger, right now it's too small to see. Image caption shouldn't have a period. Can you link Center City please? Philidelphia is overlinked in the lead. Is Daily ridership actually Average daily readership? Why is Year of Fiscal Year capitalised here? "Of the 280 route miles" probably can just say "Of this..." to avoid repeating 280 miles so quickly. PDFs are usually tagged with format=PDF. Don't mix date formats in the refs. You link SEPTA sometimes in the refs, but most often don't. Be consistent. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:07, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Issues have been addressed. Yes, the daily ridership is the average daily ridership. Obviously they lines didn't have the exact same number of riders every single day. I think "average" is implied as it was in the source and other places on Wikipedia (i.e. {{Infobox rail line}}). –Dream out loud (talk) 03:29, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

;Comments from Crisco 1492 File:SEPTA map.png - Why use an out of date map? Fiscal year 2012 had an annual ridership of 35,254,300, - This reads awkwardly to me. Perhaps "The system saw 35,254,300 riders during the 2012 fiscal year." Why is "Airport Terminal" capitalised  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:08, 12 October 2012 (UTC) Out-of-date map is used as that is the only free one available. I can update it if necessary. Updated: New map has been added to lead. "Airport Terminal" is capitalised as it refers to the stations named "Airport Terminal", not just the "terminals at the airport". –Dream out loud (talk) 03:29, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Fiscal year? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Fixed. –Dream out loud (talk) 00:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose. Looks solid. Make sure to deal with the DTT stuff. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Arsenikk (talk) 07:20, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

;Comments by Arsenikk (talk) The lists must conform with WP:DTT. Think big and think globally. It is very difficult to understand where this is, especially since the US is not mentioned. A specific year for the first part of the system opening would be nice. Early 20th century could mean anything from 1900 to 1949. Was the entire system built then, or have there been later extensions/new lines (it seems that way from the sentence)? Perhaps use "most" or something like that. Stick to either digits or spelled-out numbers in the same sentence; for instance either seven and twelve, or 7 and 12. Is it possible to verify the date at which each station opened? (for most systems this is possible) There needs to be some sort of key explaining the accessibility symbol. Not a single image of a station? Is there some way distance could be included, such as mi/km from a "station 0", or even travel time from the central hub? Arsenikk (talk) 17:06, 12 October 2012 (UTC) I don't see how the list doesn't conform with WP:DTT. Can you give specific examples? I also don't see where the numbers are spelled out and used as digits int he same sentence. As far as when the system opened, the official SEPTA source simply states "The regional rail system was built in the early 20th century." To verify the date the stations opened is very difficult since many of these stations opened in the 1800s. If that isn't good enough, I can do more research for more info. For the larger stations and/or newer stations is it not an issue, but for the smaller, older stations, finding sources on opening dates is not easy at all. I didn't include images of stations since I don't see where they'd fit. I could add them to the lead, but then that would just look awkward since the lead isn't big enough to have both a map and images of stations. If you have suggestions on where to add them, then I could go ahead. Note that the similar featured list, List of MBTA Commuter Rail stations, has neither station images nor opening dates. Distance/travel time is not included for several reasons: Travel times can vary between stations depending on time of day, day of week, local vs. express service, etc. Since there are many different lines that all branch out from the same Center City stations, different stations on different lines could potentially have the same mileage. This would be confusing to viewers and not really help determine the stations location. Stations on the Wilmington/Newark Line and Trenton Line are part of Amtrak's Northeast Corridor and their mileage is measured differently than all other lines. Wilmington/Newark mileage is measured from the an interlocking north of 30th Street Station and Trenton mileage is measured from New York Penn Station. Again, this would be confusing to readers and not help determine the station's location. –Dream out loud (talk) 03:29, 15 October 2012 (UTC) As long as there are good, well-thoughtout reasons, this does not need to be included. As for the dates, this depends entirely on availability (if they are not available in published, reliable sources, then they do not need to be included). As for images, they always make an article better, even if there is just one. I believe there is sufficient space for two images in the lead, as wide screens can handle them next to the first table. Arsenikk (talk) 20:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC) Basically all the requirements in DTT are not met The list needs to start with a title/description |+ TitleName Every column needs to have a scope ! scope=col | Description The first/main entry of each row needs a scope ! scope=row | Entry Arsenikk (talk) 20:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC) I added the row and column codes, but do I need to add a header? I feel like this would only apply to when there's a table within the article, not when the table basically is the article. It would seem out of place especially since there's a section header right above it. –Dream out loud (talk) 13:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC) The list of stations scopes look good, but the same must be applied to the list of lines. As for the table caption, this should be included on all tables, even if it is the main table of the article. According to DTT, which any featured list must comply with, this is "easy" to do and has a "high" priority. Captions are necessary not just for the sake of including a description for the casual reader, but provides vital metadata which is machine-readable and heightens the accessibility of the table. For instance, it can allow screen readers to scroll directly to the desired table or can create a table of contents of tables. Arsenikk (talk) 19:24, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Done. –Dream out loud (talk) 17:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC) I hate to nag about the small details, but that is the nature of an FLC. According to DTT: "Table captions consisting of one single word like "actor", "film" or "television" are inadequate as they are not descriptive enough." So "lines" and "stations" are not sufficient; I would have chosen "List of SEPTA Regional Rail lines" etc, or if that sounds too much like the article title, you could always swap around the word order to "List of lines of SEPTA Regional Rail". Arsenikk (talk) 20:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Fixed. –Dream out loud (talk) 22:33, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Nice list and I'm glad we're finally getting some more station lists featured. Arsenikk ^(talk) 07:20, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 18:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Comment The letters should be in lower case "A" to "a", etc. TBrandley 18:48, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Done. –Dream out loud (talk) 18:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support on all criteria, assuming that the DTT issue will be addressed. TBrandley 18:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• All issues have been addressed. –Dream out loud (talk) 14:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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Dick Howser Trophy

Nominator(s): Bloom6132 (talk), Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

We are nominating this for featured list because we feel it has been improved significantly over the past few months and now meets all 6 FL criteria. —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:18, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 13:42, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "The award is named for former collegiate..." same problem was in the Branch Rickey Award article. For should be replaced by after Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:37, 1 October 2012 (UTC) "It is considered to be the Heisman Trophy of college baseball." Context is needed for non-American readers, who do not know what the Heisman Trophy is. For example what sport is the award related to? To date, three winners Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:37, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Again next sentence, In total is redundant Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:37, 1 October 2012 (UTC) "Jason Jennings and Buster Posey proceeded to achieve the Rookie of the Year Award..." I think won would suffice in place of proceeded to achieve Agreed. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Not a fan of sentences starting with In 1999 etc. Would change sentence in question to: "The National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association (NCBWA) became the voting body in 1999 Sure. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Why is (x) next to Player in the key? From the explanation in the key, the (x) is used to designate the "number of times [a player] had won the award at that point". —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Image in infobox could do with alt text Added. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:41, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Don't think we need five external links per WP:EL I would cut them down to two or three NapHit (talk) 21:24, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Cut down to three. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 01:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Remove unneeded bold in the first key table per MOS:ACCESS The bold was added here because this is what it would have looked like with only the scope row format and no "plain row headers" parameter. Plus, the column headers are bold, so I think the key should reflect that. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Add table caption to second table per MOS:DTT The main heading already says "Winners" at the top, with regards to the second table. Will that suffice, or does an additional caption have to be added? —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:21, 2 October 2012 (UTC) No, see MOS:DTT. And, since it isn't directly under that header. Please add. TBrandley 13:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:22, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Remove unneeded period dots on external links Done.—Bloom6132 (talk) 09:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 00:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 01:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:18, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments very good, just a couple of things: Ref 16, should be The New York Times. Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC) In the template, Rodriguez is a redirect, so when viewing Rodriguez's page, the link still appears visible and redirects to itself... Done. Removed the "...(baseball)" suffix from Rodriguez's template name. —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 08:25, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support The Rambling Man (talk) 09:18, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comment – In the Robin Ventura photo caption, there should be a "the" before the trophy's name. Giants2008 (Talk) 03:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

• Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:05, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support I cannot find any issues with the article. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

Comments who died of brain cancer in 1987 at the age of 51. - Is the age necessary? Yes. Dying at 51 is fairly young and sudden, so mentioning this sort of justifies why the award is named after him (i.e. in memoriam to him). —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:19, 26 October 2012 (UTC) In that same year, the award was presented to Mike Fiore, the inaugural winner. - Should preferably state immediately that it was created that year "In that same year, the award was established by (who?) and presented to Mike Fiore.", perhaps To my surprise, I haven't been able to find a website that states who it was established by. The official website says nothing about the establishment and Baseball Almanac (which has the most in-depth background info IMO) only says when it was created and who votes for the winner. Sorry. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:30, 26 October 2012 (UTC) Okay, perhaps just explicitly state that it was created in 1987? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC) I found something. It was created by friends of Howser in the St. Petersburg area.[4] – Muboshgu (talk) 00:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC) now presents the award together with the St. Petersburg Chamber of Commerce - I think that it is in Florida is worth noting, rather than Pennsylvania or Russia. Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:19, 26 October 2012 (UTC) Images are all in compliance with our licensing criteria - no action required. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:38, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose and images. Another solid baseball list. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of frequent David Lynch collaborators

Nominator(s): GRAPPLE X 00:29, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Bit of an odd one, this. I took the mess that this was and applied a bit of neatness and sense to it, hopefully it works. If anyone's wondering about the change from 2+ projects to 3+, that was simply as going by 2 collaborations threw up a lot of "false positives" with those who had reprised their Twin Peaks role in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me, but nothing else beyond that. That seemed a bit counter-productive, so I felt raising the bar to three was the best option, as it also has the benefit of implying a genuine continued working relationship. I'll be on hand to answer any concerns quite readily, but from the 15th to the 19th I'll be away from any computers so any responses made in that time will be answered that weekend when I'm back. I promise I'll put the man away again for a while when this one's over. GRAPPLE X 00:29, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 15:44, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments centre should be center since this article is related to an American person Got it, good catch. GRAPPLE X 23:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Add plainrowheaders to all of the table's coding for MOS:BOLD and WP:ACCESS I've left bold headings in the key deliberately; I tried it with plainrowheaders and found that it was not clear enough at a glance given how brief the abbreviations are. I think the bolding makes it easier to flick back and forth between the key and table when necessary, and shouldn't cause much issue given that this isn't a table really designed for navigation of content. GRAPPLE X 23:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC) "Watch for redundancies that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise" Uh huh. I'll give the article another read through then, I guess. GRAPPLE X 23:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC) That issue was bot-generated. No worries if there's nothing. TBrandley 23:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 22:58, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 15:44, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support based on my previous (non-formal) review of the article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Question - what or where is the definition of the inclusion criteria for this list? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

It's the very last sentence in the lead; it lists anyone who has worked with Lynch on three or more projects throughout his career. My rationale for going with three is listed above. GRAPPLE X 21:28, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Aha. I'm not sure about the title of the list. "Frequent" being "three or more" is a little odd to me. But then, it's hard to think of an alternative... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:37, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

"Recurring"? GRAPPLE X 21:46, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

For info Great work as always, Grapple! I'm sure you're aware of the book "The Complete Lynch" by David Hughes (ISBN 9780753-505984). It has a breakdown of each of Lynch's works, with each film having a section titled "Lynch mob" which details recurring people in Lynch's works. Lugnuts ^{And the horse} 10:29, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

That sounds really useful. Is the list missing anything that's mentioned in the book? If not, I might still look into it just to keep the refs neater ({{sfn}} refs are a lot easier read than two dozen web cites). GRAPPLE X 12:34, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's not a bad book (he's also done the same book for Kubrick too). The edition I have is from 2001 and included Mulholland Drive, albeit only 4 pages of coverage (Lost Highway, for example, has 20 pages). Each film typically has the following sections: Cast, Title sequence, Summary, Source, Production history, Casting, The Lynch mob, Quotes, Sound & music, Influenced by, Legacy, Deja-vu, Themes, Cut scenes, Poster, Trailer, What the papers said, Box office, Controversy, Trivia, Apocrypha, Availability, Final analysis, Expert witness and Lynch on X.

For Lost Highway, the Lynch Mob section details Scott Coffey and Jack Nance. For the behind the camera crew it states the following:

"Behind the camera, there were many more familiar faces. In addtion to co-screenwriter Barry Gifford, the crew included producer and unit production manager Deepak Nayar (second assistant director on Wild at Heart, first assistant director on Fire Walk With Me, producer of On the Air and Hotel Room), Fire Walk With Me editor Mary Sweeney, cinematographer Peter Deming (On the Air, Hotel Room, Premonitions Following and Evil Deed), production and costume designer Patricia Norris (The Elephant Man onwards), casting director Johanna Ray (Blue Velvet onwards) and composser Angelo Badalamenti (Blue Velvet onwards). Eric DaRae, who had played Leo Johnson in Twin Peaks and Fire Walk With Me, is also credited, as a "buyer/swing"."

Comprehensive to say the least. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 13:54, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Certainly seems so. I'll work on adding Nayar now; given that Da Re seems to straddle the three-role minimum in both cast and crew departments, how would you think it would be best reflected in the list? I don't know if a third table would be worth adding, or if perhaps just adding in prose only the Lost Highway role where his acting appearances are already mentioned. What pages are being used for this, though, just in case I can't find it online? If I can't find a version available to view I can still put a book cite together so long as I know the page ref. GRAPPLE X 04:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Have added the source and used it to add Nayar. GRAPPLE X 20:54, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Very interesting and original article. My only concern is, shouldn't the article be titled List of frequent David Lynch collaborators? Zac (talk · contribs) 19:45, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks for your support. Like I say above, I'm open to a name change. Not sure "List of" is entirely necessary (see Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office or Buchanan Medal for others without it) but if it seems like it would work better than I'm fine with that. What do you think of the suggestion to change "frequent" to "recurring", mentioned above? GRAPPLE X 19:52, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

  No problem. Oops! I didn't notice that! Those examples are quite different than this article. This is a type of article that would require a List of in its title. I don't know what "recurring", it sounds a bit odd in the title. I think "frequent" works fine, as they, simply, work frequently with him. Zac (talk · contribs) 20:44, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

  Fair enough; have moved it to List of frequent David Lynch collaborators. GRAPPLE X 21:01, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

  Good. Just letting you know, I was inspired. Zac (talk · contribs) 21:22, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of 2000s Christian Songs number ones

Nominator(s): Toa Nidhiki05 21:51, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the criteria for Featured List. For background, the article covers the number-one singles on the Billboard Christian Songs chart from the 2000s. The chart was started in mid-2003 and covers airplay data from all formats of contemporary Christian music, although the dominant format of Christian radio is Christian adult contemporary.
The opening paragraph of the lede explains basic chart details such as the launching of the chart, which publication runs the chart, which form of data is used to compile the chart, and which radio formats the chart includes. The second paragraph takes the centerpiece of the list, a large table containing each number-one single and vital information, and summarizes it to note the most important pieces of information.
Structurally, the main table is based on that of the List of 2000s UK Singles Chart number ones, also a featured list. The table has four sortable columns with vital information as well as a fifth unsortable column that links to a reference to support the information in each the other four columns. Each citation in the table is taken directly from Billboard magazine. Two smaller tables are at the bottom of the article - the artists with the most number-one singles and the songs with the longest runs atop the chart. Both tables are supported by citations from Billboard.
Due to these factors, I feel the list is extremely informative and excellent and it meets the required criteria. Toa Nidhiki05 21:51, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support I have no comments on how to improve the article. The article is well sourced and images are relevant. I believe that it meets FLC for usefulness, completeness (has every number one from inception until the end of the decade), accuracy, neutrality, style and prose. Royalbroil 03:54, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Quick comment surely all records that top this Billboard chart are notable and, as such, should be linked? The Rambling Man (talk) 10:21, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Good point - I have linked to all the songs. Although some pages do not exist yet they could reasonably be created and thus are redlinked. Toa Nidhiki05 13:28, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Two dab links, Joy Williams and Voice of Truth. "group at reaching the top spot, with " remove "at reaching the top spot, " Our article is "Phillips, Craig and Dean". Our article is "Washed by the Water". Artists sort incorrectly. If the artist is just a name, it should sort by surname. "June 28-June 5" en-dash for ranges. "March 31: "Christian Songs (March 31, 2007)" missing a bullet point. You don't need Category:Christian music. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:17, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I've corrected all of them except for the artists bit - how would that be fixed? Toa Nidhiki05 01:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Use the {{sortname}} template. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 16:44, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "Reference(s)" shorten to "Ref.(s)" Just a suggestion, but perhaps align references in that table to the center Tables don't meet MOS:ACCESS, add scope cols and rows to ensure it does Tables don't meet MOS:DTT, add table captions to ensure it does Add plainrowheaders to the tables for WP:ACCESS One image doesn't even exist on that page. Remove or replace. Add alt text to the images per WP:ALT; it should briefly explain the contents of the image Cut down on red links if possible TBrandley 00:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC) Comment on the redlinks: that's in response to Rambling Man's comments above, in which he said we should redlink notable songs (and that they're all notable). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:51, 26 September 2012 (UTC) I've fixed all the issues, except for redlinks which should be there as the songs are notable and could be articles at some point. Toa Nidhiki05 16:28, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 16:44, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments from Crisco 1492

• "atop the chart" repeated twice in the same sentence.
• Images could use alt text. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:51, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Fixed all issues. Toa Nidhiki05 16:28, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:09, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments I've gone over and this list and made some changes here; please revert if I've made things worse.

• Is there any article that could be linked to to give more info on what "audience impressions" means? For someone outside of the US, this might be confusing. Does it refer to radio plays, or something else entirely?
• Consider moving the image of MercyMe up to the top so that the article has a lead image. This would also mean that the edit link for the Statistics would not be displaced.
• Since this is a list of songs, I feel that the row scopes should be really on the songs themselves rather than the artists. Alternatively, if that doesn't appeal to you, you could always add a No. column that lists the procession and succession of the chart (as in this list), and then make the rows in that column the scope.
• The Weeks column would be better centre-aligned.
• Of the songs linked to in the list, more than a fifth of them are red. Per 5(a) of the featured list criteria, I think it would be better if they linked to something, even just stubs.
• Which artist(s) spent the most weeks at number one during the decade?

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:58, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

No, there is no an article on the subject (which is surprising), but one could be made. According to Billboard:

The audience charts cross-reference BDS data with listener information compiled by the Arbitron ratings system to determine the approximate number of audience impressions made for each plays. Thus, a song that plays at 4 a.m. does not count as much as one played at 4 p.m., and a station with a large audience will influence the chart more than either a station in a smaller market or one with a specialized format that attracts less audience

So basically, it just multiplies the spins by the estimated audience that the station has at the time of the spin. I'll specify that here in some way.

Ah, it's a shame that there's no specific article yet. If you can find a way to expand upon what "audience impressions" means then that'd be good, but I wouldn't devote to much time to it, since obviously it's really outside the scope of this list. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll make a stub for it at some point if only to give it a place to link to; I've elaborated a bit. Toa Nidhiki05 02:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

YMoved.

As for 3-5, I'll fix those in a bit. I have to go somewhere but I'll fix as soon as possible. I've been wanting to make articles on each number one song, but I was worried making 9 stubs would be frowned upon. However, since that is not the case I will try and make them.

Casting Crowns did; their six number-one singles spent a total of 62 weeks atop the chart. The information is already in the lede, but I can make a new table for it. Toa Nidhiki05 15:39, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry, don't know how I missed that... A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

As an update, I have added a numeral table as that is the easier of the two solutions; I am going to work on center-aligning the weeks column shortly. Toa Nidhiki05 00:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I have centered the weeks column. Toa Nidhiki05 22:43, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Looks considerably better, nice work! Great to see all the redlinks gone too. I've made a couple of changes here – I've altered the No. column so that the re-entries don't all jump about when it's sorted, plus a couple of other stylistic choices that may just be personal preference. Please do revert if you don't like the changes. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

• The list looks nice but you could add another column in the artist table with total # of weeks spent at #1 19:00, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

This is what I would recommend doing as well. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I've added the table; I'll get the citations up in a bit. Toa Nidhiki05 02:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 01:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments – "with a specialized format that attracts less audience compiled by Nielsen Broadcast Data Systems." First, "less" would read better as "a smaller". Second, should "as" be placed before "compiled"? The two By artist tables should have the artist column sort by last name, not first. The pp. in ref 1 should be p., as this is a single-page citation. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Actually, I didn't intend to include that - I copied too much. YFixed. YFixed. Toa Nidhiki05 22:31, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of Ryder Cup matches

Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 20:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

With the Ryder Cup to begin at the end of the month, what better way to celebrate than with a list detailing the matches that have made up this great event. Thanks in advance for your comments. NapHit (talk) 20:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment

• I suggest that the score column should first be ordered by the winning margin rather than the points scored by the winning team.--DavidCane (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree, column now sorts by winning margin. NapHit (talk) 15:37, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

That looks better.--DavidCane (talk) 21:17, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:32, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments "every two years" you should note that this wasn't the case on one occasion. "throughout the years" bit wistful, perhaps "throughout the history of the competition"? "four four ball" -> "four fourball". "However, Great Britain we..." -> "However they..." "performance in 1933" followed by "The 1933 contest at " should the first be 1931? "the last hole of the last singles " maybe mix it a bit, "the last hole of the final singles..."? "eight foursomes and four balls" fourballs? Jimenez has a couple of missing diacritics. Consider ending the History section with a nod at the 2012 tournament... Our article on Lytham St. Annes has a full stop after the St... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the comments TRM, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 15:14, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support I like. AFD -> FL in a few weeks?! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:32, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 20:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments – Love the event, but have some reservations about the prose quality. The following are from the lead and first paragraph of History; I haven't even gotten to read most of the body yet. Second "the" in "with the exception of the 2001..." should be taken out. Comma after September 11 attacks would be better as a semi-colon. "with players from each team playing contesting a one-on-one match." Removal of "playing" is necessary here. Same edit needed in "they were unable to match the American's at the Scioto Country Club and lost 9–3." "leaving Easterbrook with a putt to win the contest, which he made the putt...". Second "the putt" is a redundancy and is flawed in the flow of the sentence anyway. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:15, 13 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the comments Giants, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 18:48, 13 September 2012 (UTC) First word of "Men's major golf championships" should be decapitalized. Try not to have a sentence start with a number, like in "1963 saw the introduction of two sets of fourball to the format". 1977 is also like this. Name typo in "which left Jackiln with a putt to tie the match." Comma after Olazabal's name should be removed. "The United States fearing for their safety requested the match was played a year later in 2002." "was" → "be"? "in what was the United States heaviest defeat in the competition." Apostrophe needed at end of States. Ref 11 needs a publisher (looks like BBC Sport). Giants2008 (Talk) 19:09, 20 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks again for the comments Giants, all been taken care of. NapHit (talk) 19:50, 20 September 2012 (UTC) "A fourball match, with two players from each team, each playing their own shot." This is a sentence fragment that is missing an element or two. Needs to be revised a bit. Now has "which consists of" in it. Still needs a fix; try removing "which" and the comma right before it. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC) History: "British captain Ted Ray cited the American's "superior putting" as the reason for their victory." "American's" → "Americans'", with the apostrophe moved. Don't think the apostrophe should have been removed, just put at the end of the word. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks again Giants, fixed those last two comments. NapHit (talk) 20:13, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 02:11, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment The title is somewhat ambiguous and means that I am not sure what to expect from the list. "2012 Ryder Cup" is a Ryder cup match and this type of match appears in the list. However, within that you have (for example) "Furyk/Snedeker vs McIlroy/McDowell", which is also a match, and it is defined as such in the lead section when it talks about "foursomes match" or "fourball match". Is there any way that this can be made less ambiguous or are we stuck with the "match within a match" terminology? Thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

You raise a good point, unfortunately I'm not sure how to resolve it. I can see how it can be ambiguous, but technically the competition as a whole is a match with a series of matches within it. If someone can up with a better solution then I'd be interested to hear it. For the time being I think we're stuck with the match within a match terminology. NapHit (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support with one caveat- in the lead you say that the next match is in 2012; this is no longer true as it was played 2 weeks ago. Seems the infobox was updated but the lead was not. --PresN 18:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Right you are, should of noticed that. Fixed. NapHit (talk) 20:17, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Jessica Mauboy discography

Nominator(s): — Oz (talk) 23:05, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because after months of improving the article, I feel that it meets the FL criteria. — Oz (talk) 23:05, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support w/comments below
  • In the lead, a comma should be between "Running Back" and "which featured American rapper Flo Rida."
  • Rearrange "Get 'Em Girls was released in November 2010, which debuted at"; perhaps "Get 'Em Girls was released in November 2010 and debuted..." Same with other instances of "which" following the month/year; "which" should follow the album as "which" is referring to it.
  • According to Checklinks, the source titled "Sony Snaps Up Dean and Jess" by the Daily Telegraph could use a WebCite archive link, as it shows some status issue.
• Overall, well written and comprehensive for topic at hand. Dan56 (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

done — Oz (talk) 23:08, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from shaidar_cuebiyar

• Comment
  • I previously assessed this page for FL1, I subsequently edited it at the time of its FLRC1 and have seen it improved under efforts by Oz. I make the following suggestions:
    1. alt text for infobox photo is a little thin. Try: A 23-year-old woman is shown in upper body shot and almost in right profile. She is smiling and looking slightly to her right. She wears her dark brown-black hair down and is dressed in a black skirt with gold threads. Her right hand is on her hip or waist. The background is deep blue-purple with gold letters S and A visible.
    2. "Mauboy's first number one song" > "Mauboy's first number-one song" cf "peaked at number one"
    3. "The album was certified double platinum by the ARIA," By this stage ARIA is the default certifying agency, where no confusion exists it can be "The album was certified double platinum,"
    4. "a commercial failure" this is a heavy statement for a No. 6 album compared with a No. 11 album – how is the former a failure? If you're basing the statement on certification alone then try a more neutral comment "less commercially successful" or similar. Some description is needed of Been Waiting's longevity (59 weeks in top 50 is notable) thereby explaining why it got 2× Plat when the higher charting albums, The Journey and Get 'Em Girls both got Gold.
    5. By the time of Snopp Dogg, "peaked within the top twenty of the ARIA Singles Chart" becomes "peaked within the top twenty". Unless there's any confusion charting default is also ARIA.
    6. "To promote the film The Sapphires (2012), Mauboy" What does the casual reader know about The Sapphires? A better explanation of her association (more than just a sound track appearance) is needed.
    7. "becoming Mauboy's lowest charting single to date" Some clarification is needed: does this include the "Waltzing Matilda" single? Does this include any other singles released in NZ?
    8. For tables showing charting information consider adding |+ List of albums, with selected chart positions and certifications Adapt as required.
    9. For the refs sectn delink repeat appearances. e.g. New Limited is wikilinked first time in ref[1] but should be delinked thereafter.
    10. Some reviewers may want titles in refs to be formatted according to WP:MoS e.g. "It's an Irish Australian Idol, to Be Sure".
    11. It's good to see use of WebCite to reduce link rot problems. Some more refs might need same.
    12. For ELs I'd adjust the Allmusic one, e.g. [{{Allmusic|class=artist|id=p885471|pure_url=yes}} Jessica Mauboy] at [[Allmusic]]
    13. While there add MusicBrainz link(s). e.g. {{MusicBrainz artist|id=18f719e7-e9b4-4216-8869-9083ebc23f7d|name=Jessica Mauboy}}
  • Have fun.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

done I was told in a previous peer review that repeated links in refs are allowed. — Oz (talk) 11:54, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I can't remember when but I was told otherwise, but reading the various discussions, I can see the point for ref wLs to remain in each cite.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "Mauboy released her debut studio album Been Waiting in November 2008 and peaked at number eleven and spent fifty-nine weeks in the top fifty" This sentence does not read correctly, I would replace the first and with it Should we be mentioning that an album received nominations for awards? I'm not so sure as none of the tables mention it and I would expect to see that info in an awards and nominations article instead not a discography "Mauboy's second studio album Get 'Em Girls was released in November 2010 and debuted at number six and was certified gold." sentence doesn't read well, needs revising Done myself. TBrandley 17:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC) "peaked within the top twenty" surely you can say what position it peaked at? In the External links Allmusic should be AllMusic NapHit (talk) 16:38, 8 October 2012 (UTC) done — Oz (talk) 20:08, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 23:18, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Comments "featured songs" it does still featured them though? How about "features songs"? "peaked within the top twenty" what position exactly then? "title track"? Could you clarify please? You say 12 singles, I see 13, including that other one Same for Other appearances Allmusic should be AllMusic TBrandley 17:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC) done — Oz (talk) 20:08, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 23:18, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:17, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "eighteen other appearances and sixteen music videos" switch those round. Don't think you need to link "pop". "which peaked at number eleven" which chart? preceeded -> preceded. Can you add which territory release dates are pertinent to. "Miss You Most (At Christmas Time)" links to a Mariah Carey album. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:01, 11 October 2012 (UTC) done — Oz (talk) 10:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comment – Very minor, but in the photo caption there needs to be an apostrophe after the movie title. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:14, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

done — Oz (talk) 21:54, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support I've looked through the list, as well as everyone else's comments above, and I can't really see anything that needs to be addressed. AARON• ^TALK 16:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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One Direction discography

Nominator(s): AdabowtheSecond (talk) 17:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating the One Direction discography for featured list because I have worked hard on it the last three days, and I want to see if it can be brought to featured status. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 17:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Aaron

Resolved comments by Aaron Comment FN: 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 19 and 42 are missing dates/accessdates. "More Than This", albeit a live video, had a music video, so it should be included really. To be honest, I would have held off from nominating this until their second album and its lead single was released as a lot of crazy 1D fans will be editing the chart positions and making changes, but that's just a personal opinion. I would change: Preceded by lead single, "Live While We're Young", Take Me Home, One Direction's second studio album, is scheduled for release on 12 November 2012. to Preceded by lead single, "Live While We're Young", One Direction's second studio album Take Me Home is scheduled for release on 12 November 2012. It just flows more and makes it easier to read without so many clauses. The lead could do with more sourcing, such as signing with Columbia etc. AARON• TALK 20:45, 3 October 2012 (UTC) Changed to new flow you suggested, I have added sources for record label signings, More Than This video, and accessdates to those you mentioned. The Music Canada refs all don't have accessdates because the cite webs are certification cite webs: {{Certification Cite Ref|region=Canada|type=album|title=Up All Night|artist=One Direction}} AdabowtheSecond (talk) 21:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC) Okay. What about just putting the accessdate parameter in that style of ref, it would still work. Also, you should include the music video's for Heroes and Wishing on a Star in that table too. AARON• TALK 21:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC) Added dates and accessdates to Music Canada refs and added featuring music videos although I have never been able to find the directors for those clips. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 22:19, 3 October 2012 (UTC) My points have been addressed so I'll support. AARON• TALK 12:56, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks Calvin AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:07, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support AARON• ^TALK 12:58, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TSU

Comments by TSU British-Irish boy band One Direction have released -> The discography of the British-Irish boy band One Direction consists of Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 18:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC) The lead should say something about the formation of the band. Before the "Syco Records" bit, it'd be great if you can add up something about the time of the band formation. Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 18:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC) Image in the lead needs WP:ALT Done, although no other discography articles does this and I have been on a lot of discography articles. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 18:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC) By August 2012, One Direction have sold -> As of August 2012, One Direction have sold What's wrong with "by" its a nice change from "as of" AdabowtheSecond (talk) 18:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC) Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC) in late 2011 - I'd rather prefer the month in which it was released. Also if worldwide it was out in 2012, please included that also All discography's only denote its first release, to add its worldwide release during 2012 would serve for unnecessary clunky sentences AdabowtheSecond (talk) 18:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC) The word "One Direction" gets repeated twice in the 2nd line of the 2nd para. Use "them" for the second time Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 18:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC) Can last 2 lines on the 1st para be merged? How do you suggest it should be sentenced AdabowtheSecond (talk) 18:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC) Nothing much. The list looks pretty good to me. Since OD are new in the business, we cant have further inclusion in the lead and the lead currently is good enough. TheSpecialUser TSU 04:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support - Since my comments are resolved. TheSpecialUser ^TSU 04:53, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:07, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from — ΛΧΣ21™ 21:30, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments by Hahc21 What makes johnurbano.com [10] a credible, reliable source? Have removed this made to unknown AdabowtheSecond (talk) 01:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC) FN48 is missing work and publisher/location: YouTube. (United States: Google, Inc.) Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 01:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC) I See "Billboard (United States: Prometheus Global Media)" and "Billboard. United States: Prometheus Global Media." be consistent with the use of {{cite web}} and {{cite news}} so that this doesn't happen. — ΛΧΣ21™ 23:59, 4 October 2012 (UTC) I have made the news articles into cite news and to cite web for the refs of Billboard chart history AdabowtheSecond (talk) 01:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Good. — ΛΧΣ21™ 21:30, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks Hahc21 AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:07, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 23:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "One Direction performs "What Makes You Beautiful", Toronto, Canada" missing in before Toronto Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 13:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC) Alt text needs to be added to images. See MOS:IMAGES and WP:ALT. Why hasn't this been addressed? If you don't know how to do it, you add the | Alt parameter to the infobox, and add the alt text. Add text is basically saying what is actually in the image, without saying the same as the caption does. Like describing something to someone over the telephone. TBrandley 02:22, 14 October 2012 (UTC) That is what that meant I have always thought it meant writing alternative text in the caption. Never actually read the guideline.. just presumed ALT stood for alternative text in the caption. Thanks for notifying me AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:07, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Now officially done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Unlink DVD per WP:OVERLINK TBrandley 02:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC) Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 13:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 23:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Erick (talk) 08:29, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments' Sales for albums needs an "as of [date]" per new discography guideline (see Jennifer Lopez discography and K-Ci & JoJo discography for examples) Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Certifications need to use the initials of the organizer, not the country (again refer to the above examples). Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Avoid WP:OVERLINK on the footnotes. You only need to link the first instances of works and publishers such as Billboard and Prometheus Global Media on the first footnote that contains the work and publisher (if this is wrong, then disregard this comment). Erick (talk) 04:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC) Done for every publication if I haven't missed something AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Delinked some more from stuff I missed prior. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

• • Thanks AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Coment

Well, there some certifications not updated, example: WMYB is 6 platinum in Australia and 4 platinum in Sweden. It's all (sorry, my english is very bad, I'm from Venezuela). Biagio2103 (talk) 00:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:17, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose "after being formed and placing third" not keen on this, sounds very US English. We don't "place third", we tend to "come third" or "finish in third place". Better? AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Two "As of August", it's now October, so presumably an update is possible. Have not been able to find a reliable source for total sales as of august 2012 AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:07, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Don't start two consecutive sentences with "As of August..." Better? AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC) "and garnered One Direction induction" awful, once again very US English. Perhaps "and saw One Direction inducted into the Guinness..." Better? AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Second para of lead, first sentence, too many run-on clauses. And repetitive "debut at number one" is repeated for instance. Better? AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC) You use the word debut five times in three sentences, this is not elegant prose. Better? AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC) "quintuple " normally in these discogs, we refer to this as five-times platinum... Guideline? Guideline for elegant prose? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Changed to your preference .AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC) "selling over 5 million" -> five. Removed this AdabowtheSecond (talk) Where are the release dates relevant to, and where are they referenced? Don't understand could you be more specific AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Take for instance Up All Night where you say "Released: 18 November 2011". Where is that release date referenced? What territory was the release date 18 November 2011? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC) It marks on which date it was first released, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Jennifer Lopez, Taylor Swift discography articles all FA lists do this AdabowtheSecond (talk) 23:05, 16 October 2012 (UTC) I understand what it means. I asked two things: Where is the release date referenced? What territory was the release date 18 November 2011? The Rambling Man (talk) 06:45, 17 October 2012 (UTC) Added ref and in Up All Night's case it was the Republic or Ireland, for Take Me Home and Up All the live tour it is the UK added refs for all. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 01:07, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Not much point in a caption as simple as "List of extended plays" if it's already under the heading "Extended plays". Expand it or lose it. Done - expanded it. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Allmusic->AllMusic. Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Author names are usually given as Last, First. Guideline? AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Unknown, but I guess there's a reason that {{cite web}} has first= and last= fields... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:27, 11 October 2012 (UTC) We also just have 'author=' it isn't necessary and makes it much easier to work more swiftly. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2012 (UTC) We do, it's just not as professional-looking. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC) It just makes it way more easier copy paste AdabowtheSecond (talk) 00:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Check refs aren't bare URLs e.g. ref 26. Fixed AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 08:00, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks for all the pointers The Rambling Man, I'm kind of busy in real life unexpectantly so bare with me, couldn't fix all your points at this time AdabowtheSecond (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Et3rnal 14:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks AdabowtheSecond (talk) 00:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

LWWY is gold in New Zealand. Biagio2103 (talk) 02:57, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 22:26, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "It topped the charts in sixteen countries,[4] and saw One Direction inducted into the Guinness World Records,[5] by debuting at number one on the US Billboard 200 chart, making them the first British group in US chart history to debut at number one with their first album." this sentence is hard to follow and I had to read it several times before I understood what was trying to be said. Its too convoluted and needs trimming down. I would change to "It topped the charts in sixteen countries and was the first time an album by a British group had debuted at number one on the US Billboard 200 chart. They were inducted into the Guinness World Records as a result. Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Music videos table does not comply with MOS:DTT. Title needs to be the first column and you need to add col and row scopes like the other tables Have I fixed this correctly? AdabowtheSecond (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC) You have NapHit (talk) 22:26, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Do we have a better reference than The Sun for ref 1, I'm not comfortable with some of our best work, being referenced with this Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC) ref 47 the hyphen should be an en dash Done AdabowtheSecond (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 13:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose— a bunch of singles that will be released including an album makes this candidate unstable. Till 00:51, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Up for the challenge! AdabowtheSecond (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
    • "It is not the subject of ongoing edit wars and its content does not change significantly from day to day." Updating chart positions and adding new singles does not qualify as significant day to day changes. Zac (talk · contribs) 16:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
      • I concur, it is currently stable, just because a new album and singles are being released does not mean it will be become unstable. NapHit (talk) 22:26, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Grade I listed buildings in Coventry

Nominator(s): HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:39, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Another labour of love of mine, but not one quite so extensive as the field marshals who passed FLC last month. The list is actually a bi-product of the target list I dre up for "Wikipedia Takes Coventry", a photography contest held in the city at the beginning of September. Coventry is oft thought of as a concrete jungle, but it has a rich and fascinating history. Hopefully this list will go some way towards changing that perception.

Any comments or constructive criticisms are most welcome, but it may take me a few days to reply. If I seem to have neglected something, please do ping my talk page. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:39, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comment Just a quick comment on the gallery - it would be good to add another image to balance the two rows rather than have the white space on second row. Keith D (talk) 18:48, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
  • I was slightly afraid of adding that gallery for precisely this reason. All the images are on row on my screen (a 17 inch laptop), but I know the appearance of the gallery will change with screen size. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:19, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 22:55, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Images need to have alt text per WP:ALT; it should briefly explain the contents of them Done. The captions are sufficient in most cases, but yes, we need to accommodate for screen readers. Unlink listed building per WP:OVERLINK I think the link has value—only Brits will be familiar with the concept, and I'd wager that not many of them fully understand it. "Only around four per cent" Remove "only" per WP:NPOV That's not POV. I think "only" is quite justified when talking about 4%. Speaking of that sentence, change "around" to "about" or something like that Why? In that same sentence, per cent shouldn't be spaced; should be "percent" Wiktionary says "per cent" is acceptable, and the source also uses that variation. "15th centuries" and "11th (CE) century" don't have hyphen, whereas "14th-century" does. Which is it? When the phrase is used to describe something (eg 14th-century original), it becomes a compound adjective and thus requires a hyphen; used as a noun phrase, it doesn't need one. Or to put it another way, I'm better at writing articles than lists. "List of buildings" → "Buildings", as for title header Why? Done myself. TBrandley 22:55, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Tables don't meet MOS:ACCESS, it has scope cols, but not scope rows, need to add scope rows also, to first one in each point of table In English, please. The table format was copied from the (featured) Grade I listed buildings in Greater Manchester. I got the concern myself. Doesn't matter what other Wikipedias have; each one has different separate rules. TBrandley 22:55, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Also, tables don't meet MOS:DTT, add table captions to ensure it does; it has been listed as a "high priority" Likewise. Done myself. Also, see above. TBrandley 22:55, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Add a period dot to "Ref" Done. Just a suggestion, but I would align the references in that table to the center, don't feel like you have to though That's actually quite a good idea, but with the column being so narrow, I don't think it makes a significant difference. Thanks! That's okay then. TBrandley 22:55, 25 September 2012 (UTC) I don't believe a gallery section is needed. In fact, there is a policy which states that they shouldn't be here, but at Wikimedia Commons. See WP:IG, etc. That policy says "[...] the use of a gallery section may be appropriate in some Wikipedia articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images." But I'll consider Hassocks' suggestion below and get back to you. Why are red links in the see also section? Remove them. Because they're notable, article-worthy subjects that will have articles in the near future. But you have a point, and I've hidden them until the links are blue. Sounds good then. TBrandley 22:55, 25 September 2012 (UTC) In fact, I don't think that section is needed at all I disagree. Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order Actually, shouldn't Category:Coventry be first? But for what purpose is beyond me. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 23:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 22:56, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:41, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

:Quick comment Dormer Cottage is Grade II, not Grade I. The city council list has an error. Interesting. I couldn't find the National Heritage List entry for Dormer Cottage to reconcile the contradiction. Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place; thanks. I find the justification for including Coombe Abbey weak. The building is not within the boundary of the city, so it is out of the scope of the list, in my view; the scope of the list is geographic, not based on ownership. I include it because the Council mention it on their list, and so I think it's worthy of noting here, and including it in the list with an explanatory note is probably the neatest way of doing it. In relation to images, consider adopting the format used here. This avoids the need for a gallery. I'll consider it. I'm hesitant, because I'm not sure the images are useful at a low enough resolution to fit comfortably into the table. Having a couple of sentences of notes about the building (as in the example above) would also be beneficial, even though each entry does have its own article. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:43, 25 September 2012 (UTC) You've hit the nail on the head—each entry has its own article, which contains more information than can be squashed into the table, so I'm not sure there's a lot to be achieved from adding details into the table. I generally prefer to keep prose and tables separate. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC) More comments from Hassocks: In relation to making the Ref column unsortable, this code should work: ! scope="col" class="unsortable" This is, I believe, done. As per TRM's note below, I am still troubled by the inclusion of Coombe Abbey, as it is already legitimately included within Grade I listed buildings in Warwickshire. I would be happy with your suggestion of adding a note below the main table explaining the situation. I have faced the similar scenarios when doing various lists—e.g. listed buildings that have been demolished but not delisted, buildings that may or may not have been churches etc—and a short explanatory paragraph at the end does the job. I've taken it out of the table and added a note to the lead. I'll have another look after you've had a go at the images column. I also have a strong desire to see a notes blurb/column, as TRM says below. I will check back when I can, but unfortunately I only have internet access at work for the time being (I have moved house and the new internet connection is not ready yet – could be a while!). Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC) I've added both an images column and a description column. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:38, 8 October 2012 (UTC) More from Hassocks, following the resolution of the above All of my earlier points are resolved to my satisfaction. Re Peter's comments below: I agree with the use of a separate "Refs" column rather than integrating them into the body of the Notes. Although both styles have proven to be acceptable at FLC, I find having a separate column is more appropriate for the reasons given by the nominator. I too prefer decimal coordinates over grid references, but HJ's rationale for using the latter is sound. I have spotted something else though. I fear that some of the details described in the Notes column—particularly those not directly related to the architecture of the building—are not actually referenced at the moment, in that they are not mentioned in the refs provided. For each building, the Cov city council list and the National Heritage List description are used to reference the content of the row. I spot-checked certain entries (I have not checked all). Examples: for St John the Baptist Church, Coventry, neither source mentions the bit about "sent to Coventry". For St Mary's Hall, again the Mary, Queen of Scots part is in neither cited source. I think we really need citations for all these bits (not that I doubt their veracity, I should add). At a guess, various pages of the Victoria County History should help to support all/most of the historical/social facts in the blurbs; or perhaps the Ian Soden book cited in the lead. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC) I've dug up the sources from these in other articles. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:14, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support after checking these and others as above. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks very much. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:13, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Reluctant oppose I do think it's a shame we can't add a summary of what each building's purpose/notability is here, I made a similar comment at the Maidstone FLC currently running. I know there are articles for each building, but for our featured material to be heavily reliant on sub-articles seems a real shame. I think a model more like Listed buildings in Widnes is appropriate. Our FLs expand for "listed buildings" and "churches" so why not "Grade I listed buildings"? " in the City of Coventry" is it necessary to say "the City of"? And if you insist, should City really be capitalised? City of Coventry is the proper name of the metropolitan borough. -HJ I think the article could legitimately link Coventry, while a common geographical term to us English, perhaps not so for our global audience. I agree. I believe linking in the bold title is discouraged, but I'll see if I can work a link in elsewhere. -HJ "There are 20 Grade I " vs "Of the 21 buildings on this list..." The list includes Coombe Abbey, which owned by Coventry City Council but falls just the wrong side of the city boundary. I'm open to the possibility of removing Coombe Abbey if multiple people really think it's confusing or out of scope. -HJ If you use ref 1 every time, just have it as a general reference. "St. Mary's Priory" is a dab link. "St Mary's Priory is, but that's just the displayed text—the link goes to St. Mary's Priory and Cathedral. -HJ Ref column shouldn't be sortable. I'm really not very proficient with tables. Could I trouble you to explain how I remove the sortability, or even demonstrate for the benefit of the II* listed buildings which will be making an appearance here at some point? Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:00, 2 October 2012 (UTC) I would add a column for the image of each place rather than that rather unsightly gallery at the end. I seem to be in a minority on this issue, so I'll work the images into the table, much as I think the gallery is better. -HJ You should link all linkable items every time in a sortable table (e.g. Bayley Lane). That's the first time I've heard that, but I suppose it makes sense—it just goes against every instinct I've had drilled into me at FAC! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 16:33, 30 September 2012 (UTC) OK, images worked into the table (I still the the gallery was better, but I'll concede the point) and descriptions added. I think all the rest of your comments have been addressed by myself or Rock drum. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comments (but leaning towards Support) What a vast improvement since the initial nomination! At that time it was an OK list, with nothing special about it to take it into the featured category. I did not oppose at the time because I also had a list nominated, and did not wish to seem to be in any sort of competition. But Hassock's suggestions, and your implementation of them, have made all the difference (Hassocks has been a mentor to me too). Just a few queries for my own interest, which are not likely to make any difference to my giving support.
• Why have a separate column for Refs? They are not that important, and could easily follow the text in the Description column (this was asked of me in one of my nominations, and I now do this)
• I was also advised to centre the date column, (I guess to make it look more elegant).
• Why do you use GRs rather than coordinates? The latter seem to be more the standard way to give locations in WP; they are also more understandable to non-UK readers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I dislike replying inline and making a mess of a relatively short list of queries so I'll address them here:

• The refs are in a separate column because it's not just the text that's being referenced, it's the entire row—the date of construction, the location, the grid reference, and the very fact the building is Grade I listed. It's also more aesthetically pleasing, at least in my opinion.
• I centred the date column, though the difference is almost imperceptible.
• OS Grid references are more commons in the UK, and are used in official contexts, such as by the Ordnance Survey. They're also documented on the National Heritage List for England entries, so there's no guesswork or original research involved in pinning down coordinates. By highlighting a square, rather than a specific point, grid references avoid the problem of having coordinates that point to an arbitrary location or, for example, the centre of a large property. And I don't think latitude and longitude means anything more to the average reader than a grid reference—the main benefit of including either (imo) is for the clickthrough to the GeoHack tool, which actually turns the string of characters into a location on a map. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:46, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:13, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of films of the Dutch East Indies

Nominator(s):  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it is full documentation of films from a period and area which has received fairly little coverage in English-language media. Jstor has a French example, and this is based on an Indonesian list, but this is possibly the first example in English. With the addition of plot information (where available), this is even more detailed than previously existing examples. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 00:41, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Unlink Indonesia per WP:OVERLINK Done Any reason why text is small on key. Consider WP:ACCESS The key format is taken from the featured list List of songs recorded by Rihanna, through List of songs recorded by Chrisye. That being said, I've pumped up the size. Use actual sub-sections per MOS:ACCESS It is. Isn't "filmindonesia.or.id" the publisher, not work No, the website is the work. The publishers are the National Library of Indonesia and Sinematek Indonesia Double quotes (") should be single quotes (') in all references, as per MOS:QUOTEMARKS and WP:MOSQUOTE Done. TBrandley 00:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC) Done all. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Looks pretty solid. TBrandley 00:42, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for reviewing! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Had a look over this one when it was going through peer review (don't let my terrible attempt at signing fool you, that's me alright); was happy with it then and I'm still happy with it now. GRAPPLE X 05:43, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Comment just a quick one (looks like a tidy list by the way), is there any reason why, say, Si Pitoeng (1931 film) is more notable than Njai Dasima? There are a large number of unlinked films, what differentiates their notability from the linked ones? Or is it just a sneaky way of avoiding red links?! The Rambling Man (talk) 08:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Those already linked are those with articles. I may be able to make another five to ten DYK-able articles with the sources available, but ones like Pat Kiam Hap would never have more than what's there already. Others, like Asmara Moerni, would be stuck as eternal stubs owing to the lack of information available (unless I book a trip to Sinematek Indonesia and spend a couple weeks eating and breathing old film reviews, where possible). The same issues apply to some of these directors and actors; Heuveldorp has almost nothing on him outside of Loetoeng Kasaroeng, and numerous actors are only known for one role. A couple directors, like Fred Young, F. Carli, and Rd Ariffin, may be doable, but I'm linking as I go. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC) So in reality, all of those films are of a similar level of notability so should really be linked... The Rambling Man (talk) 09:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Assuming a national or interlocal (among different cities) release, possible. However, some (like Pat Kiam Hap above) are essentially known from a poster and the director's memory. I could redlink those if consensus is for it, but I wouldn't expect an article on Pat Kiam Hap or such films to survive AFD. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:15, 5 September 2012 (UTC) I think all films that could sustain an article should be linked... The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Redlinked those which I'm reasonably sure could support an article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Comments My ignorance, but you say "the country's dissolution" - I thought the East Indies was a colony, not a country? Oomph, yeah. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC) "Dutch companies were also producing documentary films to be shown in the Netherlands" I guess you mean documentaries about the Dutch East Indies? This isn't clear. Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC) "The Teng Chun and the Tan Brothers" I would switch this around, just to avoid any confusion that the first The isn't a "the", it's part of someone's name... Done. Yeah, it was the source of confusion at Alang-Alang when the article was on DYK. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC) "Indicates uncertain year of production" I would expect to see that key being used in the year column, not the film title column. Don't think you need the Category:Dutch East Indies as you have the more refined "Films of..." category. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:12, 26 September 2012 (UTC) Oomph, yeah. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the extra comments. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support - Man, they had a thing for downer endings in the 20s/30s. Only comment- sometimes you italicize plot summaries when they're vague descriptions ("A martial arts story", "A bandit film, based on Zorro") but sometimes you don't ("A love story based in Cibodas", "The story of a winged horse") - what's the reason? --PresN 18:00, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

• Standardised, thanks. I ultimately decided that what constitutes "vague" is very subjective so kept it all straight. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of threatened fauna of Michigan

Nominator(s): Dana boomer (talk) 00:28, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm renominating this list (now that I have a bit more free time!) after, hopefully, addressing the issues raised in the last review. The main issue last time was the number of red links - since that concern was raised, I have significantly decreased the prevalence of red links. I do plan to continue working on this issue, but at this point, I think that the number is low enough to not be a problem. As far as I know, the other issues raised in the review were addressed. Thanks in advance for your comments, Dana boomer (talk) 00:28, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 13:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Could link freshwater mussels and snails in lead? "populations in Michigan." not sure we need in Michigan here, seeing as we've already established this about species in Michigan Images could do with alt text There are minimal redlinks so don't think this is an issue this time around ref 3 needs the parameter |format=PDF adding NapHit (talk) 12:09, 5 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the comments, NapHit! I believe I have addressed all of your concerns; please let me know if there is anything else. Dana boomer (talk) 15:28, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 21:05, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you! Dana boomer (talk) 21:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Support Comments – I sympathise with your red-linking problems, I've had to write loads of stubs for insects and plants in my articles on the individual reserves in the Norfolk SSSI. Your article looks pretty sound, just some quibbles/requests for clarification Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:59, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• part of fauna of the United States — part of the fauna ?

• Done. - DB

• The federal status descriptions have "listed…", the state status descriptions don't. Is there a reason for this?

• I was originally thinking it was necessary to distinguish listed species from candidate species, but then realized that the fact that they're listed (rather than candidate) is implied with Federal status = endangered/threatened. So, basically, I hadn't thought it through. Now that I have, I've removed the "listed"s. - DB

• I'd expect vertebrate classes to be in the order mammals-birds-reptiles-amphibians-fish, any reason for your ordering?

• This is the way it was ordered when I started?? Really, no reason other than not having a good reason to change the ordering from what it was when I began working on the list. If you would prefer it in the order you give above, I have no problem changing it - it's a simple fix. - DB

• I'll leave that with you/other reviewers Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:07, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

• Each insect order is given a subsection, but the mollusc groups each have a full section, is there a reason?

• This is the way they were split in the main reference I used. Do you think that some of the insect groups should be combined, or the mollusc group separated? - DB

• Some of your intros have a redundant "of these" or "of them"

• I've taken a run through the intros and made some changes - have I addressed your concern? - DB

• I don't think your link for cricket goes where you intended

• LOL, no it didn't. Now fixed. Thanks for the review, I believe I have replied to all of your points above. Dana boomer (talk) 13:15, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• I hope the link above inspired you to watch the Women's Cricket World Cup final today (England v Australia, since you ask) (: No further concerns, changed to support above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:07, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Support Comments – Looks pretty good to me; I have minor nitpicks that should be easy to fix. Sasata (talk) 21:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

• I think the lead sentence should link endangered and threatened species. Unfortunately, species of special concern is currently a dab and not helpful.
• possibly useful links: natural heritage, subspecies, extinct
• "federally-listed" don't hyphenate compound adjectives with -ly words, per WP:HYPHEN (check throughout article)
• caption: "A spotted turtle, a threatened species in Michigan" sounds a bit awkward (other instances too)
• "One further species is listed as extinct in Michigan" further -> additional (check for other instances too)
• "A further nine species which previously had" which->that
• is it necessary to have tables with a single row sortable?
• why do some of the snails and fingernail/pea clams have two binomials listed?
• why are some pea clams "peaclams" (without a space)
• caption: "A European pea clam, a species of special concern in Michigan" Since there's more than 1 clam in the picture, how about modifying to "The European pea clam is a species of special concern in Michigan"

• Thanks for the review, Sasata! I think I have addressed all of your comments; please let me know if there is anything I missed. Dana boomer (talk) 13:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you! Dana boomer (talk) 18:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:43, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Nice to see the list back at FLC. "The list was last updated in 2009,[2] and was the sixth iteration of the listing" maybe "The list was last updated in 2009 to its sixth iteration" to avoid list and listing in one short sentence? "The state also recognizes species of special concern, are not protected under the Act" I think there's a word missing here? "is done by " never keen on "done", perhaps "is undertaken by"? Check that all image captions which are complete sentences have a period. "fox snake" has a space but "watersnake" doesn't. Nor "ratsnake". Is there any reason here? "Critical Habitat" suddenly sneaks in. Is that worth a quick note to say what it means? "of endangered fish" shouldn't that be "threatened fish"? "12 are listed as species of special concern, two as" ... MOSNUM applies here, so "Twelve..." The Rambling Man (talk) 12:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks, TRM! I believe I have addressed all of your comments; please let me know if there is anything I missed. Dana boomer (talk) 18:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support very nice. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:43, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Its terribly good after that superb work regarding the red links. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 16:39, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Lykke Li discography

Nominator(s): Pancake (talk) 12:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I created this article from scratch earlier this month and I have been improving it ever since. Now after a few weeks of dedicated work, I feel that it meets the FL criteria. Pancake (talk) 12:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Jonatalk to me 21:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Comments by AJona1992 Singer-songwriter needs to be wikilink When was her debut album released? Not sure if you should say "hit" and "quite low" sounds too fan-y. You don't need to link record chart. Best, Jonatalk to me 21:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)  Done. Thank you for your comments. Pancake (talk) 08:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Support. Jona^{talk to me} 21:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 20:56, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "at age 19" -> when she was 19  Done I'm not a fan of sentences starting with "In 2001 etc" its poor prose, sentences that start with this prefix should be changed so the prose flows and doesn't read like a list.  Done "she released her critically acclaimed sophomore effort" sophomore should be changed as most readers won't be aware what it means. Also, just use album instead of effort, really doesn't sound right referring to an album as an effort  Done "which adapts" I think you mean adopts  Done Why does the link LL in the table go to EMI? The article makes no mention of EMI in the article  Done I removed the link. EMI has a so-called exclusive license to LL in Sweden, but I haven't been able to find a source for that other than the copyright info on iTunes, and I'm unsure if that will suffice as a source. Pancake (talk) 16:21, 1 October 2012 (UTC) The semi-colon should be used for bolding as its a WP:ACCESS issue. Use the conventional heading method as those using screen readers can only identify formatted headings  Done Our article has Allmusic as AllMusic, so refs should be changed to reflect this  Done NapHit (talk) 14:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 01:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Alt text needs to be added to the images for WP:ACCESS, per WP:ALT; it should briefly explain the contents of the image itself  Done Unlink music videos per WP:OVERLINK Do you mean in the lead? I don't see how that's overlinking. Pancake (talk) 14:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Add table captions to the tables to ensure it meets MOS:DTT, take Train discography for an example of those captions.  Done "Apple, Inc" should be just simply "Apple"  Done "Time, Inc" remove that unneeded comma not apart of the company name at all  Done Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order in this case  Done TBrandley 23:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 01:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:43, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Where are the release dates referenced and what territory do they relate to? E.g. I looked up Youth Novels (which says 30 January 2008) and the ref says 22 August 2008 for Sweden.  Done Some of the releases weren't just LL, they were LL/Atlantic weren't they?  Done The ""—" denotes a recording that did not chart or was not released in that territory." key should be added to the "other charted songs" table.  Done Hung Medien says "Possibility" was a single, but this discog says it's a "non-single" in the caption, not even sure what that means. "Possibility" was not released in any form, so it's not a single. I changed "non-single" to simply "song". Pancake (talk) 14:52, 5 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 09:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

*Li co-founded the artist collective and record label INGRID in 2012. - What's the relevance? She is a member of INGRID and will appear on the group's releases. Pancake (talk) 14:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC) Perhaps make it more explicit for people who don't listen to Li, especially if they group has announced an upcoming album. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:29, 13 October 2012 (UTC) Added. Pancake (talk) 14:41, 13 October 2012 (UTC) Any reason the album is not in the discography? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 13 October 2012 (UTC) Her song on the album is listed under Album appearances. The album doesn't appear here because it's not Li's album, she just appears on it, similar to how she appears on the tribute album Just Tell Me That You Want Me. Pancake (talk) 14:45, 13 October 2012 (UTC) I've given a copyedit, be sure to check. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks. Pancake (talk) 14:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose. Looks solid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:52, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of schools in the Cardenal Caro Province

Nominator(s): Diego Grez (talk) 17:30, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it complies with the criteria. I based it off of two other featured lists (those about schools in some New Zealand regions). It contains information from government sources, and is complete in my opinion. Diego Grez (talk) 17:30, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from --Kürbis (✔) 08:46, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

*Comments Table should meet WP:ACCESS; add row scopes, for example Improved I would add in-line citations to the lead instead of general references I am afraid of doing so. I'd have to link all the school's pages on the Ministry website as references. Anyways, I took the idea out of two featured lists: List of schools in the Marlborough Region and List of schools in Northland, New Zealand. "All schools in the Cardenal Caro Province are municipal (owned by the government of their respective communes) but two:" - "but two: the" should be replaced with "except" Done! "The enrollment of each school changes frequently as students start school for the first time, move between schools, and graduate" - ? Removed the statement. I took it verbatim from one of the aforementioned articles, but it isn't that important to this article. "The numbers of enrollment" - enrollments Corrected ", based on figures from 2012. " - and are based on Fixed "with Colegio de la Preciosa Sangre de Pichilemu as the school with most students, specifically 557." - start a new sentence. "The Colegio de la Preciosa Sangre de Pichilemu has the most students, with 557" also perhaps add other schools with the most students Fixed. Mentioned the Liceo Agustin Ross and the Escuela Raul Silva too. Diego Grez (talk) 18:10, 30 August 2012 (UTC) The lead should be copyedited, I am afraid. Gonna ask someone to do so asap --Kürbis (✔) 17:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC) One more thing: explain RBD in table. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 12:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC) It is explained in the third paragraph that it is the Ministry of Education's database number for each school, cheers! Diego Grez (talk) 23:52, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support --Kürbis (✔) 12:34, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments " 47 schools are located ..." Avoid starting sentences with numbers. Fixed And in that sentence you use both numbers and words for a number, per WP:MOSNUM you should do one or the other. Fixed too Four paras in the lead is a little heavy for an article of this size per WP:LEAD. Mixed some information and took it to the "Schools" section. "of primary education, which lasts until octavo básico. Students begin their secondary education in primero medio, and graduate in cuarto medio" but in the table you refer to these as grades 1 to 8 then 9 to 12. I would give these equivalent grades in the lead. Done. Grades were translated to the English language and put in parenthesis. " In 2010, there were 78 schools in the Cardenal Caro Province" so 15 closed in two years? I'm not really sure, actually. 78 is the number the ministry officially published in 2010. I tried to find information on closed schools in this province, but I could not find anything but a news article on the closure of a school in a neighbor province. There is no current information either on the website of the ministry's regional chapter. What is the initial sort order of the table? Prekínder Shouldn't Prekinder sort before 1st grade? Yup, fixed that. Is a school really a school if it has zero students? La Villa is apparently being repaired/reconstructed. I found document from the Municipality of Pichilemu which shows that the Escuela La Villa had 12 students as of 2011 (something which I'm gonna add). The document (page 25) also shows that several schools were closed during 2011, some temporarily, some permanently, which could explain why 15 schools disappeared. Diego Grez (talk) 17:51, 3 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 10:17, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 11:20, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments you have 63 in first sentence and then forty-seven later on. Be consistent in either using digits or spelling numbers out that are double digits. Have a look at MOS:NUM, there is no right or wrong way, just make sure you choose one method and stick to it. ref 4 needs the parameter |format=PDF adding to it. NapHit (talk) 17:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC) Fixed. Lester Foster (talk | talk) 16:24, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support NapHit (talk) 11:20, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments –

• Don't think "State" needs to be capitalized in the parenthetical part.
• Images in the lead could use alt text. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Decapitalized. I'm not good at all creating alt texts, can you please provide one? Or where can I ask for someone else to do so? Lester Foster (talk | talk) 18:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
    • The WP:ALT link above has some good examples, or you could look at other featured list candidates to gather some ideas. If you're still in doubt, I recommend contacting RexxS, who is something of an accessibility expert. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:28, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
      • I added some alt texts, based in images from other similar FAs. Lester Foster (talk | talk) 19:46, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 02:50, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Per MOS:NUM and WP:NBSP, there should be a non-breaking space -   between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 737ng, use 737 ng, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 737 ng Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order TBrandley 14:32, 6 October 2012 (UTC) I was a bit unsure where to put the nbsp's. Fixed everything (maybe) Lester Foster (talk | talk) 13:21, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 02:15, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Ricardo Arjona

Nominator(s): — ΛΧΣ21™ 18:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Arjona has won and been nominated for numerous awards; he has won one Grammy Award and one Latin Grammy Award, both for his tenth studio album, Adentro (2005). He has been nominated five times at the Billboard Latin Music Awards and four times at the Lo Nuestro Awards. Overall, Arjona has received 13 awards from 57 nominations. I wrote this list from zero and now, after completely rewriting it, i consider it is ready for the bronze star. — ΛΧΣ21™ 18:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Erick (talk) 22:41, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

:Comments I spotted some missing awards Billboard Latin Music awards of 1999. Again in 1995 in 2004 for an ASCAP award. I highly suggesting going through the physical Billboard magazines on Google Books by year to check for anymore awards or nominations prior to 2006 as they're not posted on the internet. Some of the refs are missing the language parameter. Some of the works and publishers need to be linked (i.e Cadena 3 should be linked as Cadenatres, Terra Networks). Also, the publisher for Terra Networks is Telefónica. I noticed that some of the articles are not linked (such as El Problema). The nominations for the 2012 Latin Grammy Awards just came out and Arjona has four nominations so it needs to be updated. Use the pending template until the winners are announced. Erick (talk) 19:59, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks for your comments. I have fixed all above and added some extra awards I found on Google Books for Si EL Norte Fuera El Sur and "Detrás De Mi Ventana". Anything else? :) — ΛΧΣ21™ 21:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Oh and I cannot link Cadena 3 to Cadenatres because the former is from Argentina and the latter is from Mexico. — ΛΧΣ21™ 21:13, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Yes, good catch, I don't know how I didn't see that haha. I should have mentioned this earlier, but you only need to link one instance for work and publisher, not multiple times per WP:OVERLINK. My bad. Lastly, what still needs to be fixed is that 2012 Latin Grammy nominations is supposed to be using the pending template, not the nominated because the winners have not been announced yet until November. Erick (talk) 21:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC) OOh of course! I will change them to pending. And pliz, don't make me unlink all that stuff u.u. I will do it slowly XD — ΛΧΣ21™ Done all — ΛΧΣ21™ 21:41, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support Good job! Erick (talk) 22:41, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Jonatalk to me 23:36, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

;Comments from AJona1992 Remove the sentences about the number of albums bowing at number one, this is an awards list not a discography ;) Well, other featured lists of this type include in the first paragraph a brief information of the discography of the artist. Yeah like how many albums the singer released. Best, Jonatalk to me 01:15, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Also the information about his debut album is not necessary Mmm okay. I can remove this. I think the awards and nominations he has received should start the second para not that he has won "numerous" awards which is a WP:PEA-like word. Best, Jonatalk to me 22:51, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Changed "numerous" with "several", which is not PEA. And, again as other featured lists like this, the number of awards and nominations are written at the end of the lead. Anything else? — ΛΧΣ21™ 22:57, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support but can you wikilink Guatemala? Best, Jona^{talk to me} 23:21, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks! And of course I can ;) — ΛΧΣ21™ 23:27, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Zac  23:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments from Zac Shouldn't the awards be in ABC order? No. And actually, they are ordered by the importance of the awards. Whose to say the Latin Grammy Awards are not more important than the Grammy Awards for a Latin artist? ABC order is a must. Zac  23:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC) I'm not really a fan of the lead. The first paragraph reads as if it was taken from a discography article, it just doesn't flow well. I think that mentioning album's and works in order of when they occurred, and then the awards it received would be the best way to do this. Will work on it soon. — ΛΧΣ21™ 02:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Done. — ΛΧΣ21™ 20:06, 6 October 2012 (UTC) Zac  02:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Zac (talk) 23:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "The singer received his first ASCAP..." abbreviations should be spelt on first use, otherwise they are no use to a reader who does not know what the acronym stands for Not keen on sentences starting with "In..." its poor prose. I would re-jig sentences that start with the prefix "in the category Best Latin Pop Album" -> in the Best Latin Pop album category "Arjona shared the award with Mexican singer Julieta Venegas, whom was awarded for Limón y Sal (2006)." This should be referenced, as it won't be referenced in the tables NapHit (talk) 20:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC) I believe I have fixed them all. Thank you for your comments. — ΛΧΣ21™ 23:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 14:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Tables don't meet WP:ACCESS, add scope rows and cols, as well as table captions, to ensure it does Any external links? TBrandley 23:16, 4 October 2012 (UTC) Tables are written using the {{awards table}}. The colours are standard for this type of lists, so i don't see where it doesn't meet accessibility. Also, this is a list of awards, i consider that it does not need any external links, IMO. — ΛΧΣ21™ 23:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC) Looking at the code for the {{awards table}}, it does implement col scopes, so the tables just need row scopes to be added. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:51, 5 October 2012 (UTC) OK, thanks for looking! So, add some scope="row"s to the table then. TBrandley 16:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC) Done — ΛΧΣ21™ 18:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Now as all the issues raised by The Rambling Man were resolved, I checked the list once again and couldn't find anything wrong with it. Good job. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 18:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose bit of a mess I'm afraid. The infobox doesn't list all the awards/nominations, so the totals don't match the awards/noms listed. Looks odd to me. "his first—and only—" just "his only..." then. "Overall, Arjona has received 13 awards from 58 nominations" and infobox says 13 awards won and 44 nominations.... ? Infobox again: how can he have 6 ASCAP wins from 0 nominations when he has one Grammy win from four nominations? Latin Grammys, infobox says 1 win from 9 noms, the prose says "one award from fourteen nominations".... Billboard: infobox says 2 from 7, prose says four from 11.... Please check all of these add up and are consistent. "Arjona has received six awards from six nominations" table lists eight wins, infobox says 0 nominations.... The Rambling Man (talk) 09:51, 5 October 2012 (UTC) OMG thanks! I have fixed all. Thanks. — ΛΧΣ21™ 16:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC) Comment didn't check too hard then! Lead says 16 awards, infobox total says 16 awards, infobox actually adds up to 18 awards. I don't see Lo Nuestro in the infobox at all. Looks like you forgot them in the lead too... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC) OMG. Sorry, This have been elections day in my country and the dictator we have as president just won again. I am a little sad so I haven't checked too hard. Sorry. — ΛΧΣ21™ 17:37, 8 October 2012 (UTC) I Just checked out and Lo Nuestro was in the table, but due to a problem in the code it wasn't showing. I have fixed both the counts on the lead and on the table. Thanks again Rambling Man. — ΛΧΣ21™ 17:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

;Comments from Crisco 1492 The singer received his first American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) award in 1995, after winning twice for his songs "Te Conozco" and "Detrás De Mi Ventana", the latter which he wrote for Mexican singer Yuri. - He won his first award after winning twice? This sentence doesn't have a clear topic. Fixed. Tagged (x2) I removed the tags. The things you tagged are referenced in the article body inside their respective awards, because they are 2 awards he received and we don't need to reference all the awards on the lead. We only add a citation when we add something that is not on the article body, like "he became the first solo artist to receive Best Rock Album". I notice your writing style uses a lot of unnecessary words, perhaps a way to massage the text more? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:27, 12 October 2012 (UTC) I removed some unnecessary words. I guess it's better now. I am not native speaker of english and still have to improve my prose. Thanks. — ΛΧΣ21™ 15:30, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose. Might use a little more massaging, but it seems to be acceptable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:25, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks! :) — ΛΧΣ21™ 22:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of international cricket centuries by Javed Miandad

Nominator(s): Zia Khan 00:42, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because this is well referenced, properly arranged and based upon the pre-existing list of the same category. I believe this fulfills the FLC standards. Please, feel free to make your comments and suggestion. Zia Khan 00:42, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

*Comments regarding WP:ACCESS The table scopes are not valid: where they say scope="col; style="width:Xpx", it should be scope="col" style="width:Xpx" – the semicolon needs to be a closing quote. Also, there are no col scopes or a table title on your key, and you should ideally use {{dagger|alt=...}}, etc. and include the meaning in each use of the symbol templates. ajmint (talk•edits) 09:44, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

• Fixed. Zia Khan 11:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:41, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Why three refs for his inclusion in the ICC hall of fame? "he is fifteenth in the overall list of most hundreds in a Test career" I don't think he is, looks like he's 21st in the list... can you recheck the Cricinfo source please? At the very least he's currently tied with Justin Langer. "he is seventeenth overall among all-time combined" I count him listed in equal 25th place... Test 17, "14 April 988" was a long time ago.. Worth noting that whenever Miandad hit a Test ton, Pakistan never lost? Balls col in the ODI table isn't sorting properly. Ref 4 etc, no need to SHOUT. Not sure what to do with comment #5, lost 1 Test to Australia. Fixed the rest. Zia Khan 21:01, 24 September 2012 (UTC) My bad, ignore. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:41, 26 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 14:10, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Unlink cricketer per WP:OVERLINK I've linked it at 1st use in the lede, also, it'll help many of our readers who little know about cricket. Same goes for captain and cricket grounds Same as above. That image's caption requires further details; for example "Former Pakistan captain, Javed Miandad has scored ...", etc. Done. Remove flags per MOS:FLAG It is according to the MOS:FLAG. Why is score scope rowed and not No.; it should be removed from score, and then added to No. What is the reason for this? This is a century list and the score rows are the best option. Ref needs a dot period at end of it They are! Avoid using a semi-colon for bolding as it is an WP:ACCESS issue, which makes it easier on screen readers, etc. I'd suggest creating an actual sub-section per that Didn't get you. Done myself. TBrandley 14:10, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Don't use {{cite web}} for external links I think this is the best way for the ELs. Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order Done. Zia Khan 04:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 23:54, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 14:11, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 02:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments – "and became one of five Pakistan player to score a century on their Test debut." "player" → "players". Done. In the lead photo caption, "century" should instead be "centuries". Done. In the Test Cricket centuries section heading, the second word should be decapitalized. Done. "player" needs to be changed tot "players" in note 1 as well. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 18:13, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 22:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments "matches on 23 and 8 occasions" per MOS:NUM numbers under 10 should be spelled out. It also says comparative figures should be in the same format, so 23 should be spelled out as well Done. "In January 2009, the International Cricket Council (ICC) inducted him into the ICC Cricket Hall of Fame." change to The International Cricket Council (ICC) inducted into the ICC Cricket Hall of Fame in January 2009, breaks up the run of sentences that start with "In... Done. "youngest player ever" Done. "centuries at 13 cricket grounds, including 9..." another example regarding numbering Done. I'm not entirely convinced the image of Miandad is your own work, did you take the picture yourself? Or is it from another source? You are right, this is 15 months ago when I was not a regular user. I have had this one in my PC and I uploaded this. I don't know where this is from, anyway, I've changed the source to "Unknown". If you could find a source for this or any other option in your mind? Ok, chances are that the image is not free use, so it will have to be removed. You could trying searching on flickr for a free image under a creative commons licence. NapHit (talk) 11:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC) Uploaded an image from Flickr which was deleted by an adminstrator. I don't know how to handle this. Zia Khan 05:10, 28 September 2012 (UTC) More than likely that image did not have the required licence to used. I'd had a search myself and can't find any images which do meet our licences, so unfortunately I think the article will have to do without for the time being. NapHit (talk) 22:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC) ref 47, think there is a typo in the title Done. Zia Khan 00:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 18:59, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 12:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Centred tables distract me, don't know what purpose does they serve. Most of the century lists have tables in centre. anyway, I've widen them. The South African flag was different during 1993. There is some attribute in the template to change it. Changed. The key provided for "date" only applies for tests. Fixed. It should be "or the starting date" Done. Are you sure that 19 year olds are teenagers? ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 13:34, 30 September 2012 (UTC) I think so. What do you think? Zia Khan 00:00, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Its between between puberty and legal adulthood. Puberty in boys is 13, and as of what I know the age of majority in Pakistan is 18. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Its not about legal adulthood. Its simply from 13 through 19. Zia Khan 11:25, 1 October 2012 (UTC) No, legal adulthood is related to this. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 11:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC) The clue is that 19 ends in teen, so yes they are teenagers. NapHit (talk) 12:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC) This is, what I'm trying to say. Puberty and Adolescence are medical terms which don't have specific limits, I know this very well. Zia Khan 12:19, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Okay then. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 12:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 12:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support ajmint (talk•edits) 15:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:30, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "He scored a century in the match, and became one of five Pakistan players to score a century on their Test debut". If you check the record, he is the second Pakistani to score a hundred on debut So what is wrong with the sentence? The sentence reads like, he became one of the five players to score a debut century (when he made his hundred). It's quite obvious that Salim Malik, M Wasim and Y Khan made their debuts much after Miandad came into prominence. —Vensatry (Ping me) 02:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Fixed. Zia Khan 04:11, 8 October 2012 (UTC) "Miandad achieved his first ODI century", achieved is repetitive here Fixed. Is the [[Category:One Day International cricket records]] relevant here? Scoring centuries in ODIs is a record. What do you say? Alright! cat found in similar lists. —Vensatry (Ping me) 02:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC) "His highest Test score of 280 not out came in a match against India at the Niaz Stadium, Hyderabad, in 1983" Done. Zia Khan 21:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC) —Vensatry (Ping me) 20:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC) Further comments I feel the sentence "organized by the International Cricket Council" should be appended at "He scored centuries (100 or more runs) in Test matches and One Day International (ODI) matches" to avoid confusion. I guess you're aware of the issue that was brought up at the Lillee FLC. —Vensatry (Ping me) 04:52, 8 October 2012 (UTC) There is no confusion! The whole sentence is: "He scored centuries (100 or more runs) in Test matches and One Day International (ODI) matches on twenty-three and eight occasions respectively during his international career." Also see this. Miandad took part in the World Series Cricket in 1978. It was indeed considered an international series (Unofficial though). Although he never scored a century in the series, the 8,832 and 7,381 figures wouldn't tally. —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC) "Test matches" and "One Day Internationals" in the sentence clarify this. Anyway, I've done according to your suggestion. Zia Khan 07:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC) The WSC tournament consisted of Test matches and ODIs. —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 11:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Ref #4 isn't a true content provided by Cricinfo. It's an extract taken from Wisden. Referencing needs to be done accordingly. —Vensatry (Ping me) 04:52, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 06:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Specific -> Citations under Notes, since there are no general references. —Vensatry (Ping me) 03:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 04:48, 9 October 2012 (UTC) Pipe link "National Stadium, Karachi" to "National Stadium" and a separate link to the city. —Vensatry (Ping me) 12:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 15:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC) Not done. I'm talking about the lead. —Vensatry (Ping me) 03:18, 10 October 2012 (UTC) Ooops! I thought I've done this. Fixed now. Zia Khan 05:07, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Meets the standards. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 05:30, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

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Foot in Mouth Award

Nominator(s): Harrias ^talk 16:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

An odd little list that I came across. I have improved it significantly, and think that while it is more than a bit quirky, it meets the FL standards. As always, all comments, questions and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Harrias ^talk 16:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Awarded for quote in the infobox is missing a quotation mark at the end. Done. Harrias talk 11:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC) Don't think you need to link Welsh. Delinked. Harrias talk 11:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC) I would hope for more independent sources, a quick Google of "foot in mouth award" shows you could source Mandelson, Rumsfeld awards to BBC, McClaren to the Daily Telegraph etc. Would be better than relying on the primary source. More sources are available, e.g. Hoddle, Silverstone, both in the BBC, Gere and Emin in The Guardian, etc etc. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:06, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks. To be honest, I just ran out of time when I was adding them before, and then forgot. Should have all of those that have secondary sources available now. Harrias talk 15:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC) No worries. When I'm doing lists like this, I'll usually try to avoid the primary source altogether if I can pull in some BBC, Telegraph, Guardian refs etc. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Needs some consistency with the way closing quote marks and full stops are placed. Some full stops are inside the quote marks, some outside... Is there a method in the madness? There is in fact! (Or there should be.) Where the quote has a full-stop or comma inside it in the source, the same is done here, and where there is no full-stop or comma in the source, it is outside. This is how I had previously interpreted MOS:LQ, but reading it again, I think it allows me to place them inside or out to maintain a consistent appearance: how do you intrepret it? Harrias talk 11:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC) I think you're right, but thought it worth asking the question. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:06, 30 September 2012 (UTC) "I hope you leave here and walk out and say, ‘what did he say?" is missing a ‘. Added. Harrias talk 11:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC) the for in Have I Got News for You isn't capitalised in our article. Fixed. Harrias talk 11:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC) No need for special mention table to be sortable. No, although if it isn't sortable, the column widths are different to the table above, which looks rubbish. I haven't managed to fix it using fixed column widths either. Any thoughts? Harrias talk 11:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC) Okay, that's a fair point, just leave it sortable. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:06, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Ref 3 needs publisher and/or work. Added. Harrias talk 11:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 10:54, 28 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks, as always, for your thoughts. I've fixed most of them, and responded to a couple of the others. Harrias talk 11:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC) Table should be in chronological order. Given that they are in chronological order, I assume you mean in the opposite order, ie oldest first? Harrias talk 11:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC) I do indeed, I mean chronological order as opposed to reverse-chronological order. I must find the guideline that says that these things should be ordered that way.... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:06, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Done. I've left the "Special mention" table at the bottom, as it seems more appropriate down there due to it not being a "full win" as it were. However, it does mean it looks a little out of place chronologically. Any thoughts on where it is best suited? Harrias talk 15:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC) It may be just as well to include it in the main table but to make it clear in the notes that it was a special mention? Should neaten things up a bit? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Added into the main list. Harrias talk 09:52, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 14:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Don't have references in infoboxes, as that is already in the prose. Done. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Unlink United Kingdom per WP:OVERLINK Done. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) "England cricket team" how about "British" instead Because it is the England cricket team, not the British cricket team. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) "The award has been made 17 times" it was actually awarded that many times, perhaps copy-edit that sentence Done myself. TBrandley 14:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Avoid bold links per WP:CONTEXTLINK. To do this, add plainrowheaders to the table's coding Done. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Just a suggestion, but perhaps align references to the center in the tables That's fine then. TBrandley 14:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Images need to have alt text per WP:ALT, especially considering that there is no image caption Done. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) "Golden Bull Award" can that be removed? I don't see how it is revlaunt to that. It can be removed, but it is relevant because it is another similar awarded given out by the Plain English Campaign, so I believe it is very relevant. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) How is ref. 1 (TheVine.com.au) a high-quality reliable source It is a Fairfax Media media company, who also publish the Sydney Morning Herald, the Brisbane Times among many others. Those publications all link to TheVine. It is also worth noting that it isn't used to source anything contentious. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Don't use double quotes in references, per WP:MOS, to avoid doubling Fixed I think. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Telegraph Media Group link that Done. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) BBC News is a "work", not a "publisher" Done. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Remove the location parameter from references, as it is not needed and not used only basically every article, this will fix other concerns that would have been brought up WP:CITE suggests that for Newspaper sources the "city of publication, if not included in name of newspaper" is "typically included". Unless you have a specific reason against it being used, I will continue to include it, as I do in all of my articles. Harrias talk 10:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 03:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 14:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
• Support No obvious problems now, the most entertaining list I've seen for a long while Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:05, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support - A very nice little list. Agree with Jim on the entertainment value - we need more lists like this! Dana boomer (talk) 00:40, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support The Rambling Man (talk) 07:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support– Meets the standards. Zia Khan 16:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of awards and nominations received by Selena

Nominator(s): Jona^{talk to me} 18:30, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because...I worked hard on this list and would like to see it have a bronze-star at the top. Best, Jona^{talk to me} 18:30, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support I recently copy-edited this article, and I must say, it certainly meets the criteria. Well done, Jona. :) --Khanassassin ☪ 15:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you Best, Jona^{talk to me} 16:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments No suitable image for the infobox? Non-free images are not allowed :/ Best, Jonatalk to me 15:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC) "American singer, who has" not sure you need the comma, but the opening sentence is a little odd. Try introducing her before saying what some media outlets have nicknamed her.  Done Jonatalk to me 15:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Also worth noting that Selena died in 1995.  Done Jonatalk to me 15:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC) "11 albums, six" don't mix when talking about comparable objects, so "eleven albums, six..."  Done Jonatalk to me 15:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC) "he has won 37 Tejano Music Awards" table says 36.  Done Jonatalk to me In ref 13, why is there a link to the 1997 BMI awards which Selena was not nominated in? I'm guessing you meant this link? It says "El Toro Relajo", "Tu Solo Tu" and "Techno Cumbia" which are all Selena songs. Best, Jonatalk to me 15:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC) But she wasn't nominated for any 1997 awards? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:45, 26 September 2012 (UTC) It doesn't state that any of them were nominated, so I will just remove the link. Best, Jonatalk to me 12:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC) "All My Hits - Todos Mis Exitos Vol. 2" is that a spaced hyphen I see? Is endash acceptable? Best, Jonatalk to me 15:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Yes it is. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:45, 26 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 08:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)  Done Jonatalk to me 12:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 00:07, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments "Selena awards and nominations" → "Awards and nominations received by Selena" That can't be manually done. Jonatalk to me 02:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Tables don't meet MOS:ACCESS, add scope rows and cols to ensure it does How do you suppose I do if none of the currently 48 FL awards have that? Jonatalk to me 02:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC) It is a new rule; that's why they don't have it. That rule didn't occur when those were originally up. TBrandley 02:29, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Can you give me like an example to use (not a link to a discography page because I've tried)? Jonatalk to me 03:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Try List of The X-Files episodes, copy coding for scopes and table captions from there perhaps. TBrandley 14:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Tables don't meet MOS:DTT, add table captions to ensure it does Per above. Jonatalk to me 02:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC) See above. TBrandley 02:29, 25 September 2012 (UTC) See above. TBrandley 14:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Ref. 4: "September 1998" day? It's a monthly magazine :D Jonatalk to me 02:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Ref. 15: Missing access date It does, not sure why its not showing :/ Jonatalk to me 02:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Avoid doubled periods in references Didn't spot any, which ones did you find? Jonatalk to me 02:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Take ref. 1 for example; please remove dot from there at very end please. TBrandley 02:29, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Can't be manually done. Jonatalk to me 03:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Done myself. TBrandley 14:14, 25 September 2012 (UTC) "roadcast Music, Inc" missing something?  Done Jonatalk to me 02:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 01:20, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 00:07, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Erick (talk) 03:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments "Premio Lo Nuestro Awards" should just be "Lo Nuestro Awards" because "Premio" means "award" in Spanish, so it would be redundant ("Lo Nuestro Award Awards" is what the section is currently saying).  Done Jonatalk to me 03:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Ref #14, the second link needs the author's name (John Lannert), as does the fifth link (Leila Cobo). Also, be consistent when using full dates or just years. Erick (talk) 03:02, 25 September 2012 (UTC)  Done Jonatalk to me 03:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support Good work. Erick (talk) 03:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:23, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments I don't think including her date of birth and death is relevant, the article is about her nominations, not her life Done Jonatalk to me 22:56, 6 October 2012 (UTC) "She has been called the "Queen of Tejano music" by many media outlets." I would specify a few Done Jonatalk to me 14:45, 7 October 2012 (UTC) "She has won..." as she is unlikely to win further awards, this should be in the past tense, the has needs removing Not done. She was recently nominated for two awards from Billboard in 2010. Jonatalk to me 22:56, 6 October 2012 (UTC) No it should be in past tense, you cannot refer to someone who is dead in the present tense, regardless of whether she was nominated for award. NapHit (talk) 23:17, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Done Jonatalk to me 23:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC) "The Spirit of Hope Award was created in Selena's honor in 1996,[9] and was honored to..." not keen on honor and honored being used in close succession. Also what does honored to mean? I have never heard that phrase used before Changed to "awarded". Jonatalk to me 22:56, 6 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 18:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 13:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments – "The singer has released eleven albums". Since she is dead and cannot release any more, "has" should be removed. Done Jonatalk to me 23:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Important one here: in the infobox, I count 78 nominations, not 76, which makes the first sentence of the second paragraph incorrect. Not sure how three supporters missed this basic item. Done Jonatalk to me 19:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC) BMI Music Awards: "The Broadcast Music, Inc. annually hosts awards shows...". Don't think the first word should be there. Done Jonatalk to me 19:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC) In the Tejano Music Awards table, the awards have a mixture of em (big) and en (little) dashes. I'm thinking that the MoS would say that all of these should be en dashes, as long as they remain spaced. Done Giants2008 (Talk) 19:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of colleges and universities in Iowa

Nominator(s): Ruby 2010/2013 03:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it fulfills the FL criteria. This is my fifth colleges list, and I've tried to include improvements along the way as they've been suggested for each nomination. Any comments should be speedily addressed. Thanks in advance! Ruby 2010/2013 03:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 05:08, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Alt text needs to be added to those images Done Ruby 2010/2013 04:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Unlink college per WP:OVERLINK Done Ruby 2010/2013 04:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Same goes for universities, U.S. state, and medical schools Done Ruby 2010/2013 04:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) "it had a spring 2012 enrollment of 74,596" reference? The statistics are cited below in the main table. Ruby 2010/2013 04:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) "seven years before Iowa became a state" then what was it before? Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean here. The college was founded in 1839, and Iowa became a U.S. state in 1846. Are you referring to the Iowa Territory (the state's predecessor?) Ruby 2010/2013 04:43, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Oh, never mind then. TBrandley 05:08, 22 September 2012 (UTC) The Abbreviation in the table should not be in bold, per MOS:BOLD, just remove bolding marks Done Ruby 2010/2013 04:43, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Align text to center in the key Done (changed header to a center alignment) Ruby 2010/2013 04:43, 22 September 2012 (UTC) "Active institutions" seems like that table caption should be expanding further List of active institutions Ruby 2010/2013 04:43, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Same goes for the Defunct institutions table; the table caption repeats the header title, change to "List of defunct college university institutions" something like that I suppose Changed to List of defunct institutions Ruby 2010/2013 04:43, 22 September 2012 (UTC) "Universities portal" actually, it's the "university portal" Done Ruby 2010/2013 04:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Ref. 73: WP:DASH problems Done Ruby 2010/2013 04:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) I think that you should {{cite news}} rather than {{cite web}} for news sources Done (let me know if I missed any - many are just websites, not news sources) Ruby 2010/2013 04:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Remove red link in references Done (unlinked Mary Jane Odell) Ruby 2010/2013 04:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) "US" → "U.S." Done Ruby 2010/2013 04:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) "Consider removing links that add little to the article or that have been repeated in close proximity to other links to the same article, as per WP:MOS and WP:CONTEXT. Guides recommend having greater than 3% words in links, but be sure not to overlink words just to add more links" TBrandley 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC) I delinked law schools, but otherwise I think everything else should stay linked for the ease of readers. Thanks for reviewing, as always! Ruby 2010/2013 05:17, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Oh, no problem. :) This, I promise, this is the last comment, ha: Though not related to this itself, consider creating some redirects to this list, only one is currently there. Cheers, TBrandley 05:21, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Good idea. Created a couple redirects. Ruby 2010/2013 05:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 04:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 05:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support. I have no stylistic concerns, having already supported the layout when it was used for South Dakota's list; the prose looks good to me too (looked first at DYK, second review now still doesn't present anything). Keep them coming in. GRAPPLE X 00:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks to both of you for the support! Ruby 2010/2013 02:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support - I did a little copyedit, but I couldn't see anything worth bringing up here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: I did a very short spot-check and found that Waldorf College was sold in 2009 and became for-profit. Please check that others are up to date. Otherwise Support. Reywas92^Talk 04:32, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

• Hmmm, Carnegie still lists Waldorf as a private not-for-profit institution, though the NCES has updated their information. I've adjusted the Waldorf entry accordingly. Thanks for bringing this to my attention! Ruby 2010/2013 02:20, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 13:22, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments I'm a bit confused by the number of college and universities, you state there are 60. Yet adding them all together from the numbers given in the next sentences gives us 65. I've noticed one discrepancy, the lead gives two research universities, while the tables gives one. Would be worth checking to make sure the others are consistent. The many campuses of Kaplan University are causing the discrepancy -- I'll think on how I should reword it. Also, the table shows two research universities (ISU and UI). Ruby 2010/2013 05:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Sorry for delay. I've added an explanatory note into the lead. Ruby 2010/2013 17:35, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Location(s) column should be Location as only one is given throughout Done Ruby 2010/2013 05:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Could do with alt text for the images in the defunct institutions section Will do so once it's decided to keep them in. Thanks for comments! Ruby 2010/2013 17:52, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Decided to remove the images. Ruby 2010/2013 17:35, 7 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NapHit (talk • contribs)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments good, some picks... "Distance Learning" is just "distance learning". Done Ruby 2010/2013 05:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC) "Westmar University, a defunct institution that closed in 1997." (etc) shouldn't have a period at the end of the caption because the caption is not a complete sentence. Done Ruby 2010/2013 05:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC) Checklinks is showing a few dubious links. I removed the dead external link. One is classified as having a connection issue, but it works fine for me. Let me know if it doesn't work for anyone else. Ruby 2010/2013 17:52, 1 October 2012 (UTC) You have images of the defunct institutions, but not the current ones, is that because you're afraid of squashing the table too much? Pretty much. I added the defunct images almost as an afterthought because there was open space. If it looks odd to include them but not images of active institutions, I can always remove them. Ruby 2010/2013 05:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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Andre Norton Award

Nominator(s): PresN 20:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I was looking around this morning to see which sf award list to do next, and when I looked up I had rewritten this one. I now present the Andre Norton award- hooked onto the Nebula Awards and run by the same organization, it's essentially the Nebula Award for the best young adult novel of the year. As such, the list looks eerily similar to Nebula Award for Best Novel, an FL that I passed through here a few months ago, and should reflect comments raised in that and similar FLCs. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 20:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from ajmint (talk•edits) 20:34, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments some prose stuff, otherwise looking good: Perhaps change "a yearly award" → "an annual award" as a bit of variety for the word "year" later in the sentence? Done. "word length"; I assume this should be "word count" or "work length" Done. "nominating and voting" → "nomination and voting"? Done. "as the awards are separate_ works may be..." I would put a comma there, I had to wrap my head around that bit Done. "determines if the nominated works are _____ for young adults"; I would insert either "suitable", "appropriate" or "intended", depending on what exactly this means Done, used "written", since appropriate has moral overtones and they're just looking for writing style. "which allowed the possibility for works to be nominated"; Highlighted bit isn't really necessary Done. "Scott Westerfield has the most nominations at four, though he has yet to win, followed by Holly..." I would replace these commas with dashes as it is a bit confusing to use them for both interjection and a list Done. ajmint (talk•edits) 23:11, 21 September 2012 (UTC) Addressed comments inline. --PresN 19:51, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 23:42, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Add some image which is need per WP:FL? Not required, actually, but found one- non-free, unfortunately. Link science fiction in first mention Done, had it in the second sentence, now the first. "announced" originally? Made it "publicly announced". I don't think the asterisk is clear enough. Perhaps a dagger? It's been clear enough for the past 21 FLs. If you have regular vision, the blue is enough, if you don't, any symbol comes out the same from a screen-reader. Tables don't met MOS:ACCESS, add scope cols and rows, as well as "table captions", to ensure it does. Ummm.... it has row and col scopes. Check the table code. I've manually un-tinted the row headers, since it doesn't make much sense in this context. Align references in table to center Ooh, you were the one who wanted it that way in the last FLC, too. AKA the only person ever. Just so you know, this is a massive pain in the ass- you have to do it cell by cell. Done. Don't use mixed date formats in references, ref 2 uses different than other refs It is perfectly fine to format "October 2011" as such instead of "2011-10", which is not a standard format. As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space in between Did you use a bot to generate some of this? Because all of the cites are next to a punctuation mark, except for the ones in the table. "Nebula Awards Homepage" → "Official website" Done. Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order Done. TBrandley 00:42, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Responded inline. --PresN 20:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 23:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Comments The opening sentence is a humdinger, with around 56 words in it?! Is the award open internationally? Why isn't The Freedom Maze linked in the infobox? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Done, done, done. Thanks! --PresN 00:19, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• "in the previous year" - In the preceding year, perhaps?

No other comments from me... prose looks solid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:28, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Changed. Thanks! --PresN 17:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose. As to be expected from PresN — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:03, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support - Short and sweet; very nice work. Looking through this list makes me need to go grab several of these books off my shelves and re-read them... :) Dana boomer (talk) 19:32, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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David Lynch filmography

Nominator(s): GRAPPLE X 05:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

This man again. And he's nominating that man again—a man Mel Brooks described as "Jimmy Stewart from Mars". I'm pretty sure this one should be straightforward enough. It's based, loosely, on Spike Lee filmography though the differences should be clear enough. This is as comprehensive as I feel it's going to be (I don't think there's anything missing from it and as you can see from the sourcing there's been quite a few different places combed through to be sure. I even tracked down his television ad!); though I will need to keep an eye on The Cleveland Show (eurgh) to update any future episodes he appears in. Yes, the man who based a film about infanticide on the birth of his own disabled daughter is on a primetime US cartoon now. As always, I'll be on hand to respond to any questions and address any comments pretty promptly. GRAPPLE X 05:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 20:30, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Add table captions per MOS:DTT Had to look up what this was but added. GRAPPLE X 20:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Per MOS:BOLD, don't have years bold. That being said, add plainrowheaders to the tables so it mets both MOS:ACCESS and MOS:BOLD Got it. Still don't understand why this isn't the default output for wikitables; but that's neither here nor there. GRAPPLE X 20:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC) "has voiced a recurring role". Sounds weird. He voiced the recurring role? He did; but I've rephrased it. GRAPPLE X 20:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC) cartoon series → animated comedy series Just went with "animated series" for brevity. GRAPPLE X 20:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Do colors in the table met WP:COLOR? Yep, same green is used pretty much everywhere (cf. {{yes}}, {{won}} and their transclusions). GRAPPLE X 20:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Ref. 17 is being used a lot. Perhaps just reference it on the top of table It's not used universally or I would; no point acting as though it covers everything when it doesn't. It's used often but it's not really a distraction as it's a bookkeeping and verifiability thing rather than an element of readability. GRAPPLE X 20:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 19:50, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks for your comments. I think I've responded to everything you've raised here. GRAPPLE X 20:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support looks pretty solid. Well done! TBrandley 20:31, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

;Comments from Crisco 1492 Do you need the table headers when you have section headers already? Seems redundant. I agree, but its per MOS:DTT. Regards. TBrandley 00:59, 5 September 2012 (UTC) (edit conflict) I felt so too, but MOS:DTT seems to call them a "high priority". Could probably trim them though if you have a briefer wording in mind. GRAPPLE X 01:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC) If that's what DTT says. Perhaps remove the section headings and find a way to get {{anchor}} to show up in the TOC? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:08, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Would probably require constructing an artificial TOC; which I could do no bother but I'm not sure how kosher that'd be. Would trimming the table headers to just "Film roles" and "Television roles" while expanding the headings to be a bit more descriptive help? GRAPPLE X 01:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC) That's what I noticed too. Nah, I guess this is acceptable by the constraints of policy and guidelines. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:16, 5 September 2012 (UTC) "Indeed, the surreal and in many cases violent elements to his films have earned them the reputation that they "disturb, offend or mystify" their audiences." - Is "indeed" necessary? Probably not. Gone. GRAPPLE X 01:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC) I did a copyedit, be sure to double check. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Yep, looks good. Thanks. GRAPPLE X 01:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:20, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comments

  Add publisher (The Onion) to Ref. 34, match it with Ref. 37

  Just a suggestion, but you might want to add publishers for some of the magazines, like Total Film (Future Publishing) and the International Herald Tribune (The New York Times Company)

  Those are the only issues I could find, and they are super-minor.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 03:53, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

  Thank you for your comments. I've added additional publishing info where possible; the reference to Pitchfork Media didn't get one as it seems to be its own parent company rather than an imprint of something else. GRAPPLE X 04:22, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:08, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments You link "filmmaker" but not "oeuvre" which seems a little odd to me. Included a link to wiktionary; our page is simply a redirect to work of art. GRAPPLE X 18:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC) It would look neater if the various "category" columns were the same width. All 65px now. I prefer to see references in numerical order. I believe I've got them all ordered; let me know if I missed any. GRAPPLE X 18:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC) Eraserhead and music videos image captions need full stops. Added. GRAPPLE X 18:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC) Refs 6, 7, 8 - inconsistent linking. Linked ref 7 to match the others. GRAPPLE X 18:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC) Allmovie is AllMovie isn't it? Got it. GRAPPLE X 18:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 09:21, 7 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks. Let me know if there's anything else. GRAPPLE X 18:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 20:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments According to Wikipedia:Filmographies_and_Discographies#Filmographies we should be using a table that has the film name first and year second and avoid the use of rowspans as it's an accessibility issue. Had to poke around to find WP:FILMOGRAPHY to see that mentioned; but as a result I've removed the rowspans. Haven't gone film first though as it's not actually specified, and only one of the filmographies listed at WP:FL does it this way (Jennifer Lopez filmography goes film then year, everything else including the very-recent Ronald Reagan filmography is happy enough with year then film). Can't say I'm keen on how cluttered it looks so if there's another way to comply with WP:ACCESS without so much repeated info I'd prefer that. GRAPPLE X 18:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC) It may be worth getting the opinion of RexxS on this, as I do think the film should come first as its the obvious row header. I did raise the same issue at the Reagan FLC, but no-one picked up on it. I'll give Rexx a message and see what he thinks so either way the issue is sorted, apart from this there are no other issues I can see with the list. NapHit (talk) 15:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC) see no reason why tables cannot be sortable either Had avoided it as rowspans and sort functions don't gel well; removing the former means I have now added the latter. GRAPPLE X 18:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC) "1966's Six Figures Getting Sick" this makes it sound like it was made by 1966, which obviously is not the case. Would reword for clarity Rephrased a bit. GRAPPLE X 18:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC) "until Nance's death in..." as Nance is the subject of the sentence, don't need to repeat his name of second use, change to his Done. GRAPPLE X 18:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 18:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support NapHit (talk) 20:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments

On the issue of which column to put first: Many screen readers are able to identify a "row header" and speak it when the user is navigating around a table. Let me take the example of the "David Lynch's film appearances and roles" table. Someone using JAWS, for example, could navigate down the Other column. They could set JAWS to read out the headers along with each cell, so they would hear "Other, 1966, Animator"; when they moved down one cell, they would hear "Other, 1968, Editor" - this is because the Year is being identified as the row header.

Now, if we made the Film entries into row headers (I'd prefer to call it Title because the whole row is the film, but that's just a nit-pick), the JAWS user would hear "Other, Six Figures Getting Sick, Animator"; followed by "Other, The Alphabet, Editor". Don't you think that is preferable?

If we wanted to change to using the titles as row headers, we could simply move the '! scope="row"' markup onto the Film entries in the table and most modern screen readers that I'm aware of would respect that and use those titles as row headers. It is possible that older and more primitive readers may ignore the markup and simply pick the first column as row headers, so swapping the Film column with the Year column would cover more cases than leaving it alone.

@Grapple: I don't intend to prescribe (or proscribe!) anything here, but I hope I can point you in the direction of improving access (and for whom you are improving it). You need to agree between yourself and the reviewers what are the best row headers and how to weigh the value of having them in the first column compared with your aesthetic preference for the year first. I can't make that decision for you, but it was that consideration that drove the Discography folks to putting title first. Hope that helps.

On other accessibility concerns, I'd recommend not using constructions like "Here Today Gone Tomorrow"<br/>"Truck Stop" to make lists of titles - using {{ubl | "Here Today Gone Tomorrow" | "Truck Stop" }} will produce a real list for the screen readers while displaying the same for sighted viewers like this:

• "Here Today Gone Tomorrow"
• "Truck Stop"

While I'm here, can I just point out that we are moving to HTML 5 very soon. In that version, tags like <center>...</center> are deprecated, so I think our best articles ought to be demonstrating best practice such as using style="text-align:center;" instead. I'd also use style="width:65px;" rather than width=65 for the same reason. It's not crucial because mediawiki software and browsers will cope with ancient markup for some time to come, but at some point it will have to be updated and we can encourage good markup by providing those who will copy and adapt our best work with good examples. --RexxS (talk) 17:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Aha. I had assumed that a screenreader would give the full row rather than being able to break it up, and would read "1966, Six Figures Getting Sick... etc ... Animator"; given that insight I guess it makes much more sense to change it. I'll get to that now; same goes for {{ubl}}, etc. Thanks for that, as I wouldn't have realised it was an issue otherwise. GRAPPLE X 18:06, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Have made the changes to the film table; will do the TV/web one now. I'll set the headings there based on the titles of the episodes in question rather than the series as it would seem to make the most since given the above. GRAPPLE X 18:43, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Done. GRAPPLE X 19:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification and your time Rexx, much appreciated. NapHit (talk) 20:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Source comments –

• What makes Pitchfork Media (ref 32) a reliable source?

  Per their staff page, the site can be seen to retain employed editors and journalists; their editorial staff consists of several people (the article used in this list was written by one of the site's associate editors). I feel the site is professional enough about its standard of editorial practice (their taste and pretension notwithstanding of course :P). GRAPPLE X 22:22, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

• What makes Consequence of Sound (ref 33) reliable? Giants2008 (Talk) 22:07, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

  The site seems to be held in reasonably high regard by more established media, enjoying a partnership with Time magazine ([23]), while its reviews are collected by the harsher-than-we-are Metacritic. As for its editorial practices, their about page mentions that they retain an employed staff and similarly lists their editing staff. GRAPPLE X 22:22, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Support I just gave this a good look over. After all the suggestions that have been fixed, this page is in prime shape. I vote aye.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 04:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

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Nature reserves in the North Norfolk Coast Site of Special Scientific Interest

Nominator(s): Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I am writing a possible future FT on the North Norfolk Coast Site of Special Scientific Interest, including separate articles on the larger nature reserves it contains. Not all the reserves have sufficient information available to reach FA/GA, so this is a summary of the basic information to ensure that even the 5-ha patches appear somewhere in the topic. I've spent some time on the overview, so I hope the article as a whole makes sense, thanks in advance for your comments, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 19:56, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments According to WP:LEDE, this article's lede should have "two or three paragraphs" for the lede. I only see one. Second para added, it's only 20,000 bytes so that should be enough Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Add alt text to all images per WP:ALT I thought that had gone as a requirement, but added now Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Don't have bold links per WP:CONTEXTLINK Done Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC) "£" clarify that is the UK pound, with a link, also That's not normal practice where it is clear what the currency is. There is a bucketful of US-based featured content where the currency is just $. Linked anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Agree, that is a clear case of WP:OVERLINKING. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 08:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Per MOS:HEAD, headings generally do not start with articles ('the', 'a(n)'). So, please remove "the" in "The reserves" Done, although I actually think "The reserves" reads better. Still, rules is rules... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Don't have bold in tables, per MOS:BOLD Done Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Ref. 19: Use {{cite web}} I don't understand this. I don't know what the function of the "tl

• Support looks good. Well done! TBrandley 19:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for review and support Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:16, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:27, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Perhaps worth noting that this is Norfolk in England, not Norfolk in the US (or anywhere else which may confuse a large number of our international readers). added England, not linked, assuming same practice as at FA Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC) "North Norfolk Coast SSSI shown within Norfolk" (perhaps add "in red" after shown here). Not convinced this is essential, but done anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Any reason why you use metric before Imperial units in this BritEng article? It's primarily a scientific article, so if I had the choice I'd only use metric. Unlike the US, we have a mixture of units anyway. Food, paint and petrol are sold in metric, but our roads have miles and we can buy milk in pints or litres. Kids are taught metric in schools, not imperial. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC) "The Norfolk Coast SSSI " do you mean "The North Norfolk Coast SSSI"? I do, fixed. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC) What's the strategy for naming species and capitalisation? E.g. you have "Eurasian Bitterns" but "natterjack toads"... Birds have an agreed and Wikipedia-accepted convention that species are capitalised. Practice varies elsewhere - butterflies often capped, plants always lc, but there is no agreed full capitalisation policy for any non-avian group, so for consistency I've lower-cased all the non-bird species (FWIW, my last two FAs followed this practice too). Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Spell out RSPB before using the abbreviation (and even link it?) I've expanded all abbreviations except SSSI What's an NWT? As above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC) "Also an NNR..." the list is sortable so don't assume this will come after another mention of NNR. As above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 08:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the review and comments, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Arsenikk (talk) 15:38, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

;Comments from Arsenikk (talk) Does the body of water the area borders have any other name than the North Sea? (sometimes lines of coast have specific names) If it does, it would be nice with a name and link, otherwise just leave it. No, there's no large bay or anything, so it's just the North Sea The article describes the SSSI very nicely, with the amount of detail I would expect, especially concerning the natural aspects. My one concern is that the list does not discuss the reserves as such, nor does it introduce the list as such. Of course start off with a brief summary of the area as a whole, but then the lead needs to summarize the reserves, rather than the area. For instance, how many reserves are there? how large an area do they cover in total? do the reserves hold a higher degree of protection than the rest of the site? why was a tenth reserve added in 1999? why are they managed by different organizations? Good point, I've added a bit to the second paragraph of the lead, and written a three-sentence introduction to the list section. The area is straightforward, and so is the protection (no extra legal difference, but obviously ownership gives control). The pattern of ownership is typical British randomness, land becomes available, somebody buys it or enters into a management agreement, and who it is depends on the circumstances. For example, the Cley Marshes entry points out that land has become available which would link the two existing NWT reserves, and it would be astonishing if any other conservation body bid for it, whereas the RSPB would obviously be interested if the wildfowling marshes adjoining Titchwell became available. The 1999 reserve was created then because that's when its owner decided to donate it, it's as simple as that. As usual I'm just awestruck at how the British manage organize their way in the most complex way feasable, and not instead of a one-organization-manages-all-preserved-areas that I'm used to from across the North Sea. Arsenikk (talk) 15:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC) Arsenikk (talk) 18:54, 8 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the review and useful comments. I hope the changes are adequate, I don't want to go into detail on the individual reserves, siince they have their own articles (including two FAs so far) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support Arsenikk ^(talk) 15:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for your support, comments made a real improvement to the article Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:43, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments "The SSSI is a long, narrow strip of coastal land that starts between Old Hunstanton and Holme-next-the-Sea, and runs east for about 43 km (27 mi) to Kelling." I think the second use of and should be changed to which If that's the only change to the sentence you are proposing, I don't think it's actually grammatical that starts... which. Have I misunderstood? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC) I think you may be right actually, having read the sentence a number of times. Scrap this suggestion NapHit (talk) 12:33, 20 September 2012 (UTC) "starting in 1912 when Charles Rothschild bought Blakeney Point and donated it to the National Trust which has managed it since." should be a comma after Trust Done Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC) refs that are PDFs need to include the parameter |format=PDF I don't think that's correct, the requirement is consistency. I've written 30+ FAs and a few FLs without ever doing that. The wiki software displays PDF refs with the little Acrobat symbol anyway, so it's redundant too. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC) I've had a look at our guidelines for referencing and for example this page references PDFs with the format parameter. Its a little odd no reviewer mentioned this to you before, i've been told a few times on my nominations to include them and have always done so since, as not everyone knows what the Acrobat symbol refers to. Could be worth leaving a message at the MOS page to get some clarification on the matter. NapHit (talk) 12:33, 20 September 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 19:24, 19 September 2012 (UTC) OK, not a big deal anyway, all done Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

• Many thanks for taking the time to review and comment Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

• Quick comment – Scanned the references for formatting/reliability issues, and the only minor things I saw were an improper hyphen in the publisher of ref 33 (should be an en dash instead) and the need for a space before the access date of ref 40. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:12, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for that, I missed the hyphen because it wasn't in a page range, both done now Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Support Dana boomer (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC) Comments - Overall, very nice. A few thoughts:

• "form on sheltered parts of the coast, in the lee of islands or behind spits" Is this a series of three, or are the last two examples of the first?

• I've added an AE style comma to make it clear that it's three Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• "Grassland is represented by grazing pasture" Is this grazed by wildlife or livestock?

• Added livestock

• "A 2005 survey at six North Norfolk coastal sites" Is there any way to get an update on this, or was it a one-off survey?

• Unfortunately, it appears to be a one-off Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• "who made overnight stays in the area in 1999" Again, any way to update this? It's over a decade out of date...

• As above, I thought it better to put in old data than nothing at all, but these surveys are few and far between. I haven't been able to find anything more recent Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• What is a "bird hide"? I'm assuming it's an area of protective cover, but haven't heard this term before.

Once these are addressed, I think I'll be happy to support. Dana boomer (talk) 16:37, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• bird hide linked now at each occurrence (since the list is sortable), they are called "blinds" in the US Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Ah, I was completely wrong! I thought it was someplace the birds hid from people, not where people hid from birds :) Dana boomer (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for review and useful comments Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the responses. Too bad that there aren't any more recent surveys...but I agree that information that is a bit out of date is better than no information at all. Changed to support. Dana boomer (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for support. Believe me, birds can hide very well without help! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of Indian Premier League umpires

Nominator(s): ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 10:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it meets the criteria. Also this will be the first of its kind. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 10:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from --Kürbis (✔) 12:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

*Comments "In the sport of cricket, an umpire is a person who has the authority to make judgements on the cricket field, according to the Laws of Cricket.[1] " - Too much repetition and the last phrase is redundant (which implies that it is a special rule or similar). I would write: "In cricket, an umpire is a person who has the authority to make judgements on the pitch." " Fifteen of umpires are of Indian nationality, six are Australian, five are South African and three are from New Zealand.[4]" - remove "of umpires" Overall looks very good. I will re-review later to make a final decision. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 12:10, 31 August 2012 (UTC)  Done :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 15:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

• Support--Kürbis (✔) 12:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments –

• Publisher of ref 6 (The Economic Times) should be italicized.  Done
• Hyphen in the title of ref 2 should instead be an en dash.  Done Giants2008 (Talk) 21:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks! :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 06:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments no need for "the sport of", just use In cricket  Done "As of the 2010 season, an umpire receives 6 crore (US$1.09 million) as the salary for serving in one season." seems a bit having a of 2010 when its 2012 do you not have figures for this year? would also reword slightly "an umpire receives a 6 crore (US$1.09million) salary for officiating during a season."  Done "Fifteen are of..." umpires should come after fifteen  Done "namely Doctrove" namely is redundant  Done not keen on the table width at all, leaves lots of space which is not nice to look at, would remove the width from the table altogether ref 2 makes no mention of the claim it is supposed to support, think you've linked the wrong page, this goes to an overview page, should go to India's page instead  Done ESPNCricinfo are article has it at ESPNcricinfo  Done ref 3 needs a publication date  Done ref 6 Economic Times is a work so news to be in italics  Done You provide locations for some newspapers and not others, provide them for all  Done However re 3 has no location, so didn't added any. You should use the cite news template for newspaper ref instead of cite web  Done NapHit (talk) 17:51, 10 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks! :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 06:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:30, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments I would pipelink "the laws" to Laws of cricket.  Done "As of the 2010 season..." it's 2012 now, where's the update? Unfortunately we have no updates for 2012, eiher the BCCI wants to keep its privacy, or the media is only interested in players and cheerleaders. "salary for officiating during a season" regardless of the number of matches they officiate? Yeah, I think so. "The official umpire partner of" do you mean that the umpires are sponsored by Kingfisher Airlines? Hmm, its just that they are branded on their shirts and hats and sponsor activities related to them. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 15:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC) "The official umpire partner of IPL is Kingfisher Airlines; it gets branded on umpires' uniforms" not great prose at all. Maybe "The umpires are sponsored by Kingfisher Airlines whose branding is displayed on their uniforms" or similar. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)  Done ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC) "The receiver of the" recipient.  Done "of points given by the umpires" unclear. Do you mean the umpires award each player a fair play score in every match they officiate, and at the end of the season, the player with the most fair play points wins the fair play trophy? You got it almost right. The umpires give point to both the team after the match, and the one with most at the end wins. Have we had the final of the 2012 IPL yet? If not, why is it written in past tense? It has already held, I guess in the start of June 2012. "The list includes those umpires who have officiated at least one IPL match." are there IPL umpires who haven't officiated at least one match?  Done My mistake. "the list is sorted by last name" not true. Dharmasena is listed before Bowden for example.  Done You link Mumbai in the refs but not Bangalore?  Done Why not link Lord's in the refs?  Done Ref 3 and Ref 6 both same work, but only one has a location.  Done I couldn't find it earlier, my mistake, again. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 14:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 08:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Well and formatted fine. I would guess it needs a few more references, though not very necessary. @DipankanUpgraded! ^{Tag me!} 15:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support TBrandley 14:34, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Richard Hadlee

Nominator(s): Zia Khan 23:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe this is a list with inclusion FL criteria, on a notable topic about a notable individual. Actually about one of the best bowlers in the history of cricket, and one of the greatest all-rounders the game had seen. It'll be an attribute to a Cricket Legend to take this to a FL status. Comments or suggestions are appreciated. Zia Khan 23:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

• Ref. No. 4 does not have an access date.
• Check the publisher name in ref. no. 14. It is written twice.
• Had number of dab links last time I checked. So make sure you have none of that.
• Economy rate column does not sort properly.
  • All fixed! Thanks for your review and help. Zia Khan 05:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

--Vyom25 (talk) 05:13, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:46, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments' "Hadlee was named by the Wisden..." "inducted him into the ICC Cricket Hall of Fame.[9][10][11] don't need three references for this "His first Test five-wicket haul came in 1976 against India in a match at the same venue which New Zealand won." comma after 1976 and venue "By the end of his career, he had claimed five-wickets hauls in both innings of a match on five occasions.[14][15][16][17][18] again really don't need refs for one sentence Sorry this is my fault, I meant to say don't need five refs for one sentence, not remove them altogether. Sentence does need referencing just excessively. Sorry about that, I really should read what I typed before I confirm it. NapHit (talk) 19:44, 24 August 2012 (UTC) Reinserted, I couldn't find a specific one for this. Zia Khan 04:08, 25 August 2012 (UTC) "Hadlee's first ODI five-wicket haul came in 1980 against India in a match at the WACA Ground, Perth which New Zealand lost." comma after india and Perth "only behind" Key should be in same order as table, so Econ should be before Batsmen Wkts column, the entries should not be bold per MOS:BOLD, add plainrowheaders in between wikitable sortable to fix this NapHit (talk) 22:38, 23 August 2012 (UTC) Fixed all! Thanks for the comments. Zia Khan 04:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

• Support NapHit (talk) 12:46, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Quick comment

• The links to list of fifers at the "External links" appears to be dead/incorrect. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 06:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Fixed. Zia Khan 15:42, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 14:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments very good. Image caption should be descriptive, perhaps you could tell readers it's a statue of Sir Richard Hadlee and tell us where it is. Done. "against Australia, with fourteen five-wicket hauls against " repetitive "against"... Done. Sorry but the tail end of the second para reads like a list of factoids, I think the flow of the prose should be improved. Made some changes. In the key, some "meaning"s start with The, others don't. Fixed. I thought strike rate was normally included in ODI tables? I think this is not necessary in a bowling list. Ref 8. NO NEED TO SHOUT! Fixed. Zia Khan 22:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 11:05, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments –

• "Hadlee was the first bowler to reach 400 wickets in the format." Which format is this?
  • Done.
• "he had claimed five-wickets hauls...". "wickets" → "wicket"? Giants2008 (Talk) 21:17, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Done. Zia Khan 21:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 23:48, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Add scope rows to those tables for WP:ACCESS; it already has scope cols Fixed. Why is Wkts in #1 aligned to center, and others there aren't Done. "Consider removing links that add little to the article or that have been repeated in close proximity to other links to the same article, as per MOS:LINKS and WP:CONTEXT" I think the links are according to the requirements. Zia Khan 23:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 23:13, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 23:49, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 11:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments It seems to odd that first we are telling that he took this much fifers, and then we are telling that what fifers actually means. Nothing wrong with this, I think. I disagree. :( It really feels odd, really. Done. Zia Khan 21:54, 6 October 2012 (UTC) "reach 400 wickets" >> "take 400 wickets" Done. A bowler's success against a team is determined by the no. of wickets he has taken, and not by the fifer. Therefore, "Hadlee was most successful against Australia" >> "Hadlee took more wickets against Australia than any other team" This list is not dealing with the amount of wickets he took, but five wicket hauls. As this is the subject of the list, it is correct as it stands. NapHit (talk) 18:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC) 5 wicket haul might be the subject of the list, but this sentence's subject is Hadlee, and as a bowler, his success against a specific team cannot be determined by his fifers. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:09, 5 October 2012 (UTC) Of course his success against a team can be determined by five-wicket hauls, what is this list doing if not that? NapHit (talk) 11:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC) "career-best figures for an innings" >> "best bowling figures in an innings" Done. "As of 2012" - 2012 is very big, say it clearly, "As of October 2012" Done. "Result for the New Zealand team in that match" >> "Result for New Zealand in that match" Done. "One of two five-wicket hauls by Hadlee in a match" >> "One of two five-wicket hauls by Hadlee in that match" He took two five-wicket hauls in a match on five occasions, so this should be as this is. Don't you think that the row scope should be actually given to the date row? No, As NapHit says we are talking about five-wicket hauls, and this is the best option. The alt can be better, you could tell that the statue is o brown colour, mustaches, wearing shirt, bla bla bla... I think this is sufficient for our readers. Zia Khan 19:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 17:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 11:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Christian Bale filmography

Nominator(s): — Tomica (talk) 13:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because... I have worked hard on it for certain period of time. Christian Bale is well known actor who deserves his own filmography page so that's the reason I created it. I think that the lead covers the most important content from the table, which is sortable and people can see how much the film budget was and its theater gross. For all the users who oppose I would like to post their comments so I can improve the article. Thank You— Tomica (talk) 13:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from ajmint (talk•edits) 22:41, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Perhaps start "The English actor Christian Bale..."? It sounds a bit weird without the definite article. Re-worded. — Tomica (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2012 (UTC) If Bale is English, you should ideally use British English (ie "television programmes and advertisements") and British dates ("19 September 2012" rather than "September 19, 2012"). Re-worded sections and fixed all dates in the references. — Tomica (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2012 (UTC) Use the alt text on all uses of the {{dagger}} template. Done — Tomica (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2012 (UTC) Not sure "Untitled Terrence Malick Project" should be italicised, as it's not a title. Done — Tomica (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2012 (UTC) References should use en-dashes (–) rather than hyphens (-) when they are spaced. Zac fixed them using script. — Tomica (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2012 (UTC) Final section should be titled "External links" and not "See also", which is for links to related Wikipedia articles. Re-named. — Tomica (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2012 (UTC) ajmint (talk•edits) 18:59, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Ruby 2010/2013 21:24, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Comments He starred as British journalist Arthur Stuart in the Todd Haynes-directed drama Velvet Goldmine (1998). Critics were divided on the film - critics were undecided on the film, or his performance? (I think his performance is more relevant here) Done. — Tomica (talk) 19:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Your mention of A Midsummer Night's Dream doesn't actually include the name, just a link. I think this is a flaw Re-worded. — Tomica (talk) 19:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC) When did Bale become recognized as a movie star? At which point in his career (American Psycho? Batman Begins?) I'm sure journalists have commented on this. Added (American Psycho). — Tomica (talk) 19:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Despite positive reviews, the film was box office flop -> Despite positive reviews, the film was a box office flop Dones. — Tomica (talk) 19:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC) The same year, he starred in The Prestige (2006) alongside Hugh Jackman and David Bowie - I think Michael Caine and Scarlett Johansson had a higher billing than Bowie; it seems odd to include Bowie here Replaced Bowie with Johansson. — Tomica (talk) 19:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC) "Bale co-starred Russel Crowe -> Bale co-starred with Russel Crowe? Done. — Tomica (talk) 19:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Use consistent date formatting Done (Please point me if there is other reference, cause I can't find it). — Tomica (talk) 19:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Ruby 2010/2013 04:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Also, page number for Ref 35? Ruby 2010/2013 19:47, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• Changed the reference. — Tomica (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

• I did a bit of copyediting and am now prepared to support. Keep up the good work. Ruby 2010/2013 04:21, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks Ruby2010. — Tomica (talk) 06:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Add infobox about filmography please There is no infobox for filmographies. For example see Jennifer Lopez filmography, Gene Kelly filmography or Robert Bathurst filmography — Tomica (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Table don't met MOS:ACCESS, add scope cols and rows, as well as table captions, to ensure it does The table already contains the proper formatting. Table captions are not a requirement. Zac  20:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Allmovie → AllMovie Done. — Tomica (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space -   between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 5 kg, use 5 kg, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 5 kg Done— Tomica (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 00:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 00:09, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Two dab links, The Dark Knight and Scott Cooper. Fixed. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Be consistent with your slash spacing. Done. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Image caption should not have a full stop. Removed. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) TV film -> television film. Copy-edited. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) "but was claimed" why "but"? Just because it was commercially successful, doesn't mean a cult following is unusual. Copy-edited. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) "received a role in the 1994 drama Little Women, which received" repetitive. Copy-edited. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) You link "Walt Disney animated film" but you didn't link "Disney musical drama" which came before it (nor did you call it a Walt Disney muscial...), why? Because there is not a "Walt Disney music drama" article or re-direct. However, I linked Walt Disney now. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) "was "eagerly anticipated"" yeah, before it was seen, but how was it actually received. The sentence is grammatically correct, I searched but I didn't find anything about the receivement of the role. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) "he portrayed the serial killer Patrick Bateman.[12] His portrayal " repetitive use of portray. Copy-edited. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Russell Crowe has two l's in his first name... Because that is his name — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) So why don't you spell it in this article with two l's? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:53, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Ooops. My mistake, sorry, now is fixed. — Tomica (talk) 15:53, 24 September 2012 (UTC) When you say Johnny Deep, do you mean Depp? I mean it, fixed. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) "starred alongside " followed by "played alongside" is repetitive. Copy-edited. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Empty cells aren't good, for unreleased films, their box office cells should contain some explanatory note. Fixed by Zac.— Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) What do blank box office cells mean for films that are released? Not clear to the reader. Fixed by Zac.— Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) No mention in the lead of adverts (besides the opening one-liner) or video games (at all). I mentioned his voice lent in the game, tbh I don't think the advertisements are not notable for the lead since there is too much info already. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) According to our article, Flixter is actually called Flixster. Fixed. — Tomica (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 07:56, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support The lead is comprehensive, tables are formatted properly and references are in check. Nice work. Rayman^{95 (talk)} 19:26, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 15:29, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

'Comments' Have quite a few sentences that start with "In 1992" etc, its not great prose, doesn't flow well presently, try and vary the sentences structures up Reduced the using of In [year], however, still left some of them. They are present in the upper featured list I pointed. — Tomica (talk) 12:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC) "and was claimed to have gained a cult following" surely it either has a following or not? currently its a weak statement Copy-edited. — Tomica (talk) 12:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC) "positively met by movie critics" received would be better than met, doesn't sound right when referring to a film Done. — Tomica (talk) 12:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC) "it was commercial success" missing a word here Added a. — Tomica (talk) 12:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC) No need for television programmes and video games tables to be sortable with only one item in both "*Done. — Tomica (talk)` ref 24 needs the author adding Done. — Tomica (talk) 12:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 22:18, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support Very nice work. — ΛΧΣ21™ 16:52, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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Train discography

Nominator(s): Holiday56 (talk) 09:29, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because having done much work on the article, I feel the article is ready to be promoted to featured list status. Holiday56 (talk) 09:29, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 15:48, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments from Sufur222 Let's see: "Hey, Soul Sister" and "Drive By" have both been certified gold in Germany, with "Hey, Soul Sister" also being certified gold in Switzerland. Added. Holiday56 (talk) 03:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC) "50 Ways to Say Goodbye" has been certified gold in America. Added. Holiday56 (talk) 03:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Was Live from Fantasy Studios not actually released via a label? It was an independent release. Holiday56 (talk) 03:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC) No image? If there isn't currently one in the Wikimedia Commons, then you might be able to find a free image at Flickr. Found a free image and uploaded it; added it to the article. Holiday56 (talk) 03:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC) (Ref 58) CMT isn't a publication, so it shouldn't be in italics. Personally, I'd expand it out fully (to Country Music Television) but I'm not to hardline on this. Removed italics. Holiday56 (talk) 03:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC) And that's about it. If nothing else occurs to me, then I'll have no reservations supporting. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support Looks great, again. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 15:50, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:02, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment very good. "peaking at number 5 on" and "peaked at number 6 on the " etc, in these sentences with just a single numerical representation, you should be using text. Done. Holiday56 (talk) 09:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC) What does "N/A" mean in other artists in the other appearances table mean? "not applicable". It's used for appearances where no other performers are on the track; I utilized the "n/a" template. Holiday56 (talk) 09:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Then isn't "none" more appropriate? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Okay. Changed. Holiday56 (talk) 09:55, 24 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 07:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 22:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Alt text needs to be added to the images, per WP:ALT, explaining the contents of the image Done. Holiday56 (talk) 09:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Unlink studio albums per WP:OVERLINK Same goes for live albums, video album, singles, music videos, promotional singles In the lead? I don't see them linked anywhere else in the article. Almost every featured discography I've seen links them in the lead. Holiday56 (talk) 09:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC) See WP:OVERLINK. TBrandley 14:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC) In the past I've been told to link them in the lead, so this seems to be another case of conflicting advice. I, personally, do think the links can stay. In the context of the article – a list of music releases – linking of these terms can be relevant and convenient for readers who may not be familiar with these terms. In addition, it seems to be a standard to link these in the lead based on the examples of multiple featured lists. Holiday56 (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC) "A" → "A", etc. with notes per MOS:CAPS Done, I guess. The notes are already capitalized. Holiday56 (talk) 09:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Don't use double quotes in references, as per WP:MOS Could you kindly elaborate? Which references need fixing? Holiday56 (talk) 09:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Ref. 44. TBrandley 14:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Done. Holiday56 (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC) "none" → "N/A" I'm getting conflicting advice regarding this: The Rambling Man suggests using "none", while you suggest "N/A". I do have a personal preference for "N/A", though I'm more or less okay with either. Holiday56 (talk) 09:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC) None can stay then. TBrandley 14:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 02:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 22:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

;Prose comment from Crisco 1492 Nothing about grammar, per se, but about style. The lede you have here is an exact summation of the charts below but doesn't analyse the discography at all. Any stylistic shifts? Changes in recording labels or partners? Scandals over plagiarism? Notable awards for the albums, like a Rolling Stone Best 500 of All Time? What's their signature song, if any? Stuff like that should go in the lede, in my opinion. If you'd like a point of comparison on my suggested styling, see Chrisye discography or List of songs recorded by Chrisye. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:41, 26 September 2012 (UTC) I'd understand your point if it corresponded to the discography of a prolific artist, like The Beatles or the example you've given above, Chrisye. But Train aren't exactly the most acclaimed or prolific artists, so information like that would seem rather off in the article. In the case of this list, the lead summarizes the contents of the actual discography, such as single releases, charts and albums — in the vein of discographies of less prolific artists, many of which have become featured lists (see Rihanna discography, Birdman discography and Jordin Sparks discography). Holiday56 (talk) 08:52, 26 September 2012 (UTC) In my opinion it is because they are not as well known that a bit of context may be necessary. Right now it reads like a shopping list, essentially. If there have been no thematic or stylistic variations in this time, fine, but surely there is a song that they are recognised for above all others? Different producers, perhaps? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:04, 26 September 2012 (UTC) The lead's overall style, focusing more on the actual content of the article — release dates, charts, certifications, etc. — is being used by a large number of featured discographies, so I do think its use in discographies has been accepted as informative enough to use and an accurate representation of contents. For certain artists of a similar nature to Train, it may be rather hard to find information regarding topics such as stylistic shifts, scandals, etc. I've done as best as I can to address your comments — I've added some details regarding the band's work with a long-time producer of theirs, additional info on their long-time label, Columbia Records, and information on their Grammy Award win. With a rather mid-length lead, a direct read-out of the band's most successful singles would feel somewhat redundant; to make up for this, special emphasis has been given to their most well-known singles in the prose. Holiday56 (talk) 09:51, 26 September 2012 (UTC) That looks a bit better. However, you don't tell us who replaced O'Brien. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:12, 26 September 2012 (UTC) Added. Holiday56 (talk) 13:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:48, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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300 win club

Nominator(s): – Muboshgu (talk) 22:44, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

It;s important for WP:BASEBALL for this to become a FL. Joining the 300 win club is seen as one of the highest achievement in baseball, along with joining the 3,000 strikeout club, 300 save club, 500 home run club, or 3,000 hit club. Incidentally, those are all FLs. This will complete the set. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:44, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Bloom6132 (talk) 17:03, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments – "who won 300" – replace with "who have won," in order to make it the exact same wording as the other FL baseball stat club lists. "No pitcher reached 20 wins in a non strike-shortened year for the first time in 2006, which was repeated in 2009." – it would sound better with "...for the first time in 2006; this was repeated in 2009. "The next member of the club to become eligible for the Hall is Roger Clemens, who is expected to become eligible during the 2013 balloting; however, his election is seen as uncertain because of his alleged links to use of performance-enhancing drugs." – this kinda resembles a run-on sentence. I would suggest breaking it up between the words "balloting" and "however." Footnote: "Though it was illegal to doctor the baseball" – replace with "is." It's still illegal. —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:10, 9 September 2012 (UTC) Addressed. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:10, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support – meets all 6 criteria. Great work! —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:03, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments "from a shorter distance from h" from...from a little repetitive, perhaps rephrase. Reworded. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:36, 17 September 2012 (UTC) "foreign substances " could you explain this? Source doesn't specify, though back in the day, a pitcher could apply anything from spit to tobacco juice to a ball. Sometimes, the ball would be completely black because of all of the stuff on it, but it would still be used. Today, even the slightest bit of dirt on a ball gets it taken out of use. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:30, 17 September 2012 (UTC) "production.[2] the increasing " should be a comma I guess, but then this sentence would be HUGE. Consider split. Changed to "production.[2] Also, the increasing". – Muboshgu (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC) Image captions need periods. Fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC) Ref 16 links the NY Times but ref 2 doesn't. Fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC) Similar comment with ref 19 and ref 18 for Baseball-Reference.com. Fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 10:16, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

• " In total, 24 pitchers " In total is redundant, but avoid starting the sentence with a number...
  • Thought about how to handle that one for a while, was leaning towards "There are 24 members..." but went with spelling out 24. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:01, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
• "finishing his career" would prefer "ending his career"
  • How about "and retired"? Can change to "ending his career" if you're dead set on it. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
• "suppressed offensive production" I don't understand this phrase or how a stadium design could achieve whatever it is...
  • Some stadiums are hitter's parks while others are pitcher's parks. This could be due to a number of reasons, such as how far the fences are from home plate. Also, stadiums at higher altitude have more offensive production because the ball will travel further in the thinner air. The stadiums that were new in the 1960s (Dodger Stadium, Shea Stadium, the Astrodome) were definitively pitcher's parks. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:30, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
    • That is genuinely interesting. I think a little note for the non-baseball experts wouldn't go amiss here. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:39, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
      • Something in addition to the link to pitcher's park, you mean? I can think about how to do that. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:01, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

• Isn't it "300 winS club" the grammatically correct version? To non-baseball readers the title needs to be explained and cited. Nergaal (talk) 01:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
  • That's a good point, but as you can see from the sources[30] and from the similar lists I posted above (3,000 strikeout club, 300 save club, 500 home run club, 3,000 hit club), the term which should perhaps be plural is most commonly used in the singular form. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:15, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments –

• "World War II military service, such as Bob Feller". "Feller" → "Feller's"?
  • Fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:15, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
• Grammatically, "that" needs to be added before "were pitcher's parks" for the sentence as a whole to work.
  • Fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
• Would be nice to have the all-time leader in wins mentioned in-text. That's an important fact I'd expect to see in the prose, not just in a photo caption.
  • Added. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
• The Kid Nichols caption needs some sort of citation, since nothing in the prose or list verifies his age. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Ref added. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 13:09, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments "leading to the use of a four-man starting rotation." example of noun+ing which should be avoided. change leading to which led Fixed – Muboshgu (talk) 17:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC) "still fewer chances to pick up wins" Fixed – Muboshgu (talk) 17:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC) should avoid using a semi-colon for bolding as its a WP:ACCESS issue. Screen readers can't pick up the semi-colon, so would change to using the conventional three apostrophes instead Fixed – Muboshgu (talk) 17:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC) ref 5 Sports Illustrated is a printed publication, therefore it should be in italics Fixed – Muboshgu (talk) 17:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 14:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

*"Early in the history of professional baseball, many of the rules of present day baseball were not in place; the distance pitchers threw to home plate was shorter than today, and pitchers were able to use foreign substances to alter the direction of the ball." - Relevance not clear to people without a background in baseball. - Relevance not clear to people without a background in baseball. Changed to "Early in the history of professional baseball, many of the rules favored the pitcher over the batter; the distance pitchers threw to home plate was shorter than today, and pitchers were able to use foreign substances to alter the direction of the ball." Otherwise looks fairly well written. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks, and thanks for the &nbsp's – Muboshgu (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2012 (UTC) File:Kid Nichols Baseball.jpg - Do we know for sure this was published before 1903? Source link is dead for me. Do you mean 1923? I looked on loc.gov for the original image and found it here.[31] It says it was "created/published" in 1905, which is before the 1923 cutoff. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Dur, yeah. Source should be updated. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:38, 25 September 2012 (UTC) I fixed the link on the image.[32] – Muboshgu (talk) 23:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Otherwise images are fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose and images. Solid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 03:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
• Support Congrats man! Been quietly watching you improve this list from the shadows, looks great! Staxringold _talk^contribs 14:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you! Glad it's up to par. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:01, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of Braathens aircraft

Nominator(s): Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:02, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

This is an attempt at an innovative list; creating a list of every aircraft, its registration, name and service history is deemed unencyclopedic by consensus at the WikiProject, so instead the list focuses on the use of the aircraft by the airline. As an aviation enthusiast, this is exactly the information I want: an image, the numbers and a description, a combination which is otherwise overlooked in airline articles. Any feedback is appreciated. Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:02, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from MilborneOne (talk) 16:11, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

This is a comment. I appreciate the attempt to create an interesting article without falling into fancruft world and I think Arsenikk has a good job of a fine balance between encyclopedic and a spotters website, I have the following minor comments: Much prefer the model and manufacturer to a single entry that is Douglas C-47 Dakota rather than C-47 Dakota <picture> Douglas The split of manufacturer and model to increase sortability, and the image in the middle was the last reviewer's idea. Anyway, I guess I can merge them. Arsenikk (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Not sure about the The list consists of an image... bit do we normally explain a table in such detail. I guess that was a bit of an overkill. Some of the explanation removed (such as the image), but anything that could be misunderstood has been kept. Arsenikk (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC) It uses the term "Model" a lot which makes me think they have toy model aircraft perhaps types may be better. I can try to vary somewhat, but model is an accurate term. Arsenikk (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC) In the F28 section After discarding purchase the 737-100 doesnt make sense. Rephrased. Arsenikk (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC) In the F28 section least-trafficked Norwegian least-trafficked an English term? MilborneOne (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC) It was in my dictionary, but I can rephrase it. Thank you for the feedback. Arsenikk (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support MilborneOne (talk) 16:11, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:09, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments I really, really like this kind of list. I'm not sure if the title is correct, after all you're talking about the types of aircraft ever used by Braathens, but I can't think of a snappy alternative title right now! If you think up something better, I am open for a change. I'm not perfectly happy either, but I haven't thought of something better and the title is short and concise. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) "A brand-new " - says who? Perhaps not the best wording so I changed it. My point was that the aircraft could not have been less than six months old at the time, and probably was even newer. For an airplane, six months is "brand new". Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) Link airline the first time. Okay. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) "With 20 aircraft, the Boeing 737-200 was the most bought model." perhaps "The Boeing 737-200, with 20, was the most ..."? I sat for five minutes trying to tweak that sentence, so thanks. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) "Braathens has operated ..." remove "has" since the airline is defunct. Sure. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) "aircraft have been involved " just "aircraft were involved". Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) "initially few to destinations" flew. Thanks. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) "routes flown domestic" domestically? Yes, that is better. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) F-27 appears to just be F27 (or F27 Friendship)? I'm pretty sure both are used in reliable sources, for instance there is commons:Category:Fokker F-27, but if F27 is the official spelling I can always change it. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) Similar comment to F-28. Per above. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) "Braathens only operated jets" -> "Braathens operated only jets" Corrected. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) "changed its brand name to Braathens, and changed " changed is repeated too quickly. Changed. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) "Starting with the three last F-27s, Braathens started " ditto with "start" here. Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) Just a general note, it may be worth clarifying that this list is of those types used by the Braathens airline between its inception and its merger with SAS? Just a clear single one-liner? Perhaps ahead of the table? Added; if you feel this is necessary to avoid confusion then it is better to be safe than sorry. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) Any reason why there's no image of the Heron? There are no free images of Herons in Braathens livery. And I have spend quite some time trying to find one. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) Transair is a dab link. Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) Ref 3 is called plane-spotter.com not plane-spotters.com and is it reliable? Although admittedly a border-line case, my main reason to believe it is reliable is the extreme detail, and that it matches other reliable sources where I have attempted to cross-reference. The documents lists dates in, dates out, registrations, lessors etc. for every single aircraft; all it is used to reference in this article is the number of F100, B737-700 and BAe-146 aircraft in the fleet. Other values, as descriptions, all other aircraft, years in and out are all referenced elsewhere. Arsenikk (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support with comments Nothing major that needs fixing, so I'll support now, but two minor point

• Domestic/domestically is overworked, can you lose or vary some ("internal" for example?)

• Your refs using templates end in a full stop, the untemplated ones don't. For consistency, I'd make them all full stopped

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:52, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback and support. Interesting comments—I've never even noticed the periods before. I rephrased about half the domestic/domestically words. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:34, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments A suggestion of the name of the list could be List of aircraft used by Braathens Perhaps "List of aircraft operated by Braathens"? Anyway I'll await the name change to after the FLC to not mess things up. "From the establishment..." would change the to their Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC) I think the model column should come first followed by the image column. This would make sense per MOS:DTT as it is the clear rowheader, its also a bit odd seeing an image as the first column, without introducing what the image is representing. Changed. My initial thought was that having the image not on the side of the table would look odd, but I guess it looks okay. Arsenikk (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC) "after requests from among others Braathens." not keen on this would change to after requests from airlines including Braathens Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC) "although it did see some use in scheduled services." -> although it was used in some scheduled services Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC) ref 3 needs the parameter |format=PDF adding Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC) Instead of using a semi-colon for bolding, as you've done for Bibliography and Notes in the references section. You should the apostrophe's instead as using the semi-colon is a WP:ACCESS issue for those using screen readers I was not aware of that, so thanks for pointing it out. Arsenikk (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 19:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the comments; all has been seen to. Arsenikk (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support NapHit (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 01:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments – Images could use alt text. I have added alt-text, but I am still confused as to what is expected to be in alt-text (which is why I didn't add them in the first place). WP:ALT is in my opinion not particularly useful in explaining the issue. Arsenikk (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Fleet: "The list consists the total number of...". Needs "of" after "consists". Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Double "at" in the British Aerospace 146-200 note. Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC) If the second book in the bibliography is in Norwegian, that should be indicated. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:30, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Fixed. Thank you for the improvements. Arsenikk (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• One more I just noticed while checking changes: the titles of refs 12 and 45 have hyphens that should be en dashes instead. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Fixed. The sources use hyphens incorrectly, and I'm never quite sure if we should leave them or correct it. Arsenikk ^(talk) 09:05, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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LMFAO discography

Nominator(s): Holiday56 (talk) 08:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because having done much work on the article, I feel it may finally meet the criteria for promotion as a featured list. Holiday56 (talk) 08:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments from Sufur222 Overall, this looks very good. The speed that you redid this one is certainly impressive. Only a few things: Alt text for the image? "Gettin' Over You" has been certified platinum in New Zealand (see here). Although mickeyfinnegan.com is clearly the website of the director, does this necessarily make it reliable? Apart from these things, I feel this is ready for FL status. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 07:51, 2 September 2012 (UTC) All done. Holiday56 (talk) 12:16, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support Great work, as always. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

• As much as I hate LMFAO, I believe that the list is ready for FL Status after Sufur's comments are resolved. --Khanassassin ☪ 11:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment I believe LMFAO are far from hip hop artists. --Khanassassin ☪ 15:20, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
    • "Electro hip-hop" is among the genres listed in the infobox on their page; they are also explicitly referred to as an "electro-rap duo" on their AllMusic page, which also places them in the rap genre amongst established hip-hop artists. Other renowned critical review sites list them as "party hop" ([35]), "pop-rap" ([36]) and "rap/dance/pop" ([37]). I'd say that their utilization of the genre in their much of their music has to be somehow acknowledged in the article. Holiday56 (talk) 15:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:54, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Not at all impressed on a single-sentence paragraph to open with. Lead expanded. Holiday56 (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Where are release dates referenced and what territory are they relevant to? Release information and references added. Holiday56 (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Please make table captions unique. Altered the table captions for the singles and music videos sections. Holiday56 (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Finnegan has three refs but has five videos. Reference 56 acts as the reference for three of the videos. If individual sources are needed for each video, however, I can add some additional sources. Holiday56 (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC) The Official Charts Company is just called Official Charts Company. Fixed. Holiday56 (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Allmusic -> AllMusic. Fixed. Holiday56 (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC) You have Category:Hip hop discographies but that's the only mention of hip hop in the entire article. Added a mention of hip hop in the lead. Holiday56 (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 08:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC) Done. I hope I've addressed all your comments. Holiday56 (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment

• "who approved their signing to his label Interscope Records." not keen on the use of approved, would prefer who signed them to his label Interscope Records. NapHit (talk) 19:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Changed. Holiday56 (talk) 05:11, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Support The prose struck me as a little informal in places, but given the topic and the lack of any real problems, I'm happy to support Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 00:13, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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