Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/November 2012

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List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Saqlain Mushtaq

Nominator(s): Zia Khan 11:42, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it covers the topic entirely and I believe it is according to the FL criteria. As always, looking forward for comments and suggestions. Cheers, Zia Khan 11:42, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 23:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Comments Any lede image? No image available at Commons, sorry. "This is regarded as a notable achievement" by who? Done. "Ref" missing dot period Column merged into "Result" column. Just a suggestion, but I would align references in the table to the center As above. Zia Khan 20:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC) Very nice, mostly solid. TBrandley 17:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 23:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Harrias

;Comments from Harrias talk "In January 1999, he took his first pair of five-wicket hauls in a single match against India at the M.A. Chidambaram Stadium, Chennai. By the end of his career, he had claimed five-wickets hauls in both innings of a match twice." I would consider rephrasing both these sentences, thus: "In January 1999 against India at the M.A. Chidambaram Stadium, Chennai, he took a five-wicket haul in both innings of a Test match for the first time. He repeated this feat only once more in his career, at Feroz Shah Kotla Ground, Delhi during the second Test of the same series." Done. Zia Khan 16:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC) I'm not particularly happy with the way that "Runs" sorts, if I wanted to know the most runs he'd conceded when he'd got five wickets, this sorting wouldn't be useful. However, I know it is consistent with the other promoted lists. Not sure what can I do here? Zia Khan 16:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC) No need to do anything. I was just noting my dissatisfaction, I appreciate that this is the convention. Harrias talk 16:38, 18 November 2012 (UTC) Ref #12: "2st Test" needs fixing. Done. Zia Khan 16:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC) Ref #18: you use a different date format to elsewhere. Done. Zia Khan 16:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC) Other than these minor issues, it's pretty good: you've done plenty of these now, so you know what you're doing. Decent work, well done. Harrias talk 14:22, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support Harrias ^talk 16:38, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from —Vensatry (Ping me) 15:12, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments Ref #3 is a rd, use the actual link Done. Sentences that start with "In ...", prose looks weak Harrias suggested these two setences, see his comment above. The succeeding sentence needs a small re-write. Not sure why you're so keen on including the venues every time As above. Link Hat-trick appropriately, else "one of the four bowlers to achieve an ODI hat-trick" to "List of One Day International cricket hat-tricks" Done. "on two or more different ocassions" -> on more than two different occasions I disagree, only one bowlar has taken more than two hat-tricks. The others did the same twice. Ocassion is a typo Done. Try to merge "One of his hat-tricks came during the 1999 Cricket World Cup" with the previous sentence in some way Done. the Pakistan Removed. His last ODI fifer came in the first innings Fixed. While sorting the Test table by "Date" there is a problem with two Test matches where he took ten-wicket hauls Fixed. Zia Khan 20:04, 20 November 2012 (UTC) —Vensatry (Ping me) 19:23, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support meets the standards. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 15:12, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 16:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments – "Saqlain was named by the Wisden as one of their Cricketers of the Year in 2000." Remove "the". In the Result column of the key, "the" should be removed before Pakistan. Maybe this is just my eyes, but I think the five stat rows in the middle of the tables would look better centered. Minor, but in the note there should be a comma after Malinga. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC) Fixed all. Since all the rows are aligned to left so this should be to the left, for consistency. Zia Khan 04:37, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Comments " as one of their Cricketers of the Year " don't include "one of" in the link Done. Zia Khan 01:45, 28 November 2012 (UTC) Test 12, economy claims 1.10 but he conceded 35 runs in 16.4 overs, so the maths doesn't work for me... probably 2.1? Suggest you just check the others. Corrected. Zia Khan 01:45, 28 November 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:49, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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List of accolades received by Frida

Nominator(s): JuneGloom Talk 01:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I started work on this list back in January 2011, but had to stop after struggling to find sources for a few of the awards and nominations (particularly the Chicago Film Critics Association ones). However, through some further research with the help of the Wayback Machine and Highbeam, I finally managed to complete the list. I'm confident that I've got all of the accolades Frida earned during it's run in the awards season. I also believe that the list passes 3b of the FL criteria. I look forward to your reviews and comments. - JuneGloom Talk 01:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support, quite comprehensive, good formatting, and meticulously sourced. — Cirt (talk) 06:13, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose fails 3b. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 21:11, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per 3b. There isn't enough awards, and this could probably be quickly merged into the main article for Frida, or be written and changed to prose at that main article for it. As said at the criteria for 3b, it needs to pass WP:SAL, which it sadly doesn't. Sorry. TBrandley 23:30, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Right, well I've improved the main article a bit, so the list won't be the best thing in it. I guess I have to withdraw the nomination here? To merge this article with the other, do I just move the table over and create a redirect? Or will I need an admin to perform some sort of history merge? (And thank you Cirt for your lone support). - JuneGloom Talk 22:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

If you're going to merge the table into the main article, then yes you'll need to withdraw this nom. If that's what you're going to do just let me know and I'll close it for you. Also moving the table and creating a redirect is the way to go. NapHit (talk) 13:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

• Wait a 47-item list is too short for WP:FL, since when? Even if that were so, I don't see why this should be merged with the main article, as it would make the latter too bulky. As for WP:SAL, what exactly does it violate?122.167.172.189 (talk) 14:12, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The main article is only 20,000, so I think there is an argument that it could be included there. NapHit (talk) 17:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Not so sure myself. I'd suggest the FLC is considered on its own grounds, a very reasonable SAL. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I am sure it is a fork of the main article. It can be easily merged into the main article as was demonstrated there. The lead of this article paraphrases what the table already orderly conveys in a few sentences. Not sure what the anonymous editor means with "too bulky". There is already a table in the main article and it is almost the size of the nominated list's table. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 11:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

"it is almost the size of the nominated list's table" - clearly incorrect. This list has 47 entries, the list at the main page has 14. That's less than a third of the content here. The shortened table there should be removed entirely and a {{main}} template used to just direct the reader here. "The lead of this article paraphrases what the table already orderly conveys in a few sentences." um, that's what a WP:LEAD should do. It should summarise the article. Once again, this list can stand alone. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I've experimented with putting the list in the main article, but to me it overwhelms the latter half of the article and I don't think it can be reasonably included. It also makes that See Also section kinda disappear between the table and the references. I do wonder if I had fully expanded the main article first, if we would be having this discussion? Having looked at a couple of promoted accolades lists that have far less nominations than this one, it seems the main articles contained more prose than Frida does when they were brought here. - JuneGloom Talk 03:05, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

If the list was half of its current size, I would be in agreement that it violates 3b. With 47 nominations, though, I believe a stand-alone list is justified. I have to express disagreement with the opposes registered earlier, as I think 3b is met comfortably. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:04, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments this is a perfectly acceptable standalone list as far as I'm concerned, so to that end, some comments on the content... Infobox image caption doesn't need a full stop. "biographical film about the life of" biographical films generally are about the life of someone, so this phrasing seems a little redundant to me. Academy Awards etc refer to make-up without the hyphen. "The film was handed four nominations" a shade colloquial. Otherwise very good. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC) Thank you for the comments, I've made the appropriate changes. - JuneGloom Talk 16:14, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support a good quality list. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
• Support per Giants2008 and The Rambling Man. Seems of very good quality. TBrandley 18:39, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you both for your supports. - JuneGloom Talk 00:57, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

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Latin Grammy Award for Best Singer-Songwriter Album

Nominator(s): ΛΧΣ21™, Statυs (talk) 01:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

The Latin Grammy Award for Best Singer-Songwriter Album is an honor presented annually at the Latin Grammy Awards, a ceremony that recognizes excellence and creates a wider awareness of cultural diversity and contributions of Latin recording artists in the United States and internationally. After revamping the list, we consider it is up to standard and ready to receive its broze medal. — ΛΧΣ21™ 01:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 04:17, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments % should be wrote out fully as "percent" Done. Zac  16:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Avoid bold links per WP:CONTEXTLINK, as seen in the table. To do this, add plainrowheaders to the table's coding This article is modeled after Latin Grammy Award for Record of the Year, and it was deemed acceptable in its FLC last year. Zac  16:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC) "Ref" is missing a period dot at end It isn't. Zac  16:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Unlink countries per WP:OVERLINK, and remove flags as per MOS:FLAG The WP:OVERLINK has been removed, but the flags will remain. Again, these things were deemed acceptable in this type of list in a previous FLC. Zac  16:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Any portals related to the subject to add using {{portal bar}} or {{portal box}}? Added one. Zac  16:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 15:34, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 04:17, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support. The list looks good. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 19:36, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 17:19, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments if they "contains 51 percent new unreleased material" they should be changed to it, "they contains" is poor grammar. Done. Zac (talk) 00:06, 10 October 2012 (UTC) "...are the biggest recipients in this category" what do you mean by this? biggest names? most wins? its unclear. If it is biggest names to win the award, then that is POV and can't be included without a ref Fixed the sentence, what it meant was that they recieved the most wins of the category. Zac (talk) 00:06, 10 October 2012 (UTC) The colour and apostrophe should be in the same cell I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. Zac (talk) 00:06, 10 October 2012 (UTC) Avoid using a semi-colon for bolding, it's a WP:ACCESS concern. Either use headers or the three apostrophes Done. Zac (talk) 00:06, 10 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Presumably by "they contain 51 percent" you mean at least 51 percent? Done. Zac (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC) "for her eponymous fourth studio album Soraya " if you say its eponymous, you probably don't need to repeat her name! Done. Zac (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC) "Gian Marco Zignago and Caetano Veloso have received the most wins in this category, with two each, and they are the only performers to receive more than one accolade" the second part is obvious from the first and doesn't need to be re-stated. Done. Zac (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC) I don't think you need to have [G1] for each entry when you list it as a general reference in any case. I'll let Hahc deal with this, as he's the one who put them in that format. Zac (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Okay. I will delete the referencing and leave it as a general note below (as it is). — ΛΧΣ21™ 20:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC) I would expect all awarded albums to be notabl enough to have an article. So would I, but they don't. Zac (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC) So I suspect the albums that won should all be linked, red-linked or otherwise. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Are redlinks allowed at FLC? If so, I'll add the redlink. — ΛΧΣ21™ 20:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Why, yes, of course!! If they're relevant and notable, then they should be linked! (I'm not the "tambling man" by the way!). The Rambling Man (talk) 20:30, 11 October 2012 (UTC) OMG Sorry! My keyboard makes me write such things sometimes u.u I have added the links :) Anything else to be done? — ΛΧΣ21™ 20:42, 11 October 2012 (UTC) "José Luis Perales" has an accent on Jose. Done. Zac (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Don't mix date formats in refs. Done. Zac (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Category has "Category:Latin Grammy Award for Best Singer-Songwriter Album" which uses a capital S for songwriter. This article doesn't. Which is correct? Suggest things are made consistent. The article title is correct; I don't have the ability to change category titles. Zac (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Yes you do, no special rights required to fix categories. Just create a new category with the correct title and change those articles in the wrong category to the right one. Finally, request the empty category to be deleted. Simple! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Done. I never thought of that, LOL! Was just saying how the category cannot be moved. Zac (talk) 19:20, 11 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 10:15, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Um, it's been a month since an activity here. What's going on? Statυs (talk) 09:43, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by what's going on, but I assume you are implying the nomination should be promoted. If the nomination has gone stale, then I would ask other users if they can review the list, so we can get a clearer consensus on whether it should be promoted. I would also ask Jaespinoza if his comments have been suitably addressed. No one is at fault if a nom goes stale it happens, but if they do go stale, then encouraging users to comment is usually the way to go. NapHit (talk) 14:56, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, I guess he was expecting that very answer you gave to him... We need more reviewers so that consensus can be reached. — ΛΧΣ21™ 18:04, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

"What's going on" as in "what's going on with this?". I never had the implication of it should be promoted, I was asking for an update. Statυs (talk) 18:45, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Erick (talk) 03:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

*Comment I think the articles for albums that won the award should be created as they are notable enough. Just a an article about the album with track listing, a mention of the award won, and maybe any charts that it ranked should be enough. Erick (talk) 18:11, 11 November 2012 (UTC) I may be doing this in the future :) But I guess I am not bound to if we want the list promoted, or do we need to? — ΛΧΣ21™ 18:16, 11 November 2012 (UTC) I don't think it's required, but I think it helps. I'm just looking for something to nitpick since this FLC needs more reviewers. :P I'm still looking at the article. Erick (talk) 18:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC) Oh haha XD Well, thanks for the review Erick. I appreciate it a lot. — ΛΧΣ21™ 19:02, 11 November 2012 (UTC) Comment Just a brief note, the Latin Grammy Awards are being held today, so you might want to get ready to update the 2012 section soon. Erick (talk) 19:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC) I have already updated the section. Regards. — ṞṈ™ 01:56, 18 November 2012 (UTC) It needs a disambiguation. It currently links to a Luis Miguel album. Erick (talk) 03:13, 18 November 2012 (UTC) I removed the link. I will handle the disambiguation later. Regards. — ṞṈ™ 03:25, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

• Seems that I have no choice but to support the article. There aren't any problems that stand out to me. Erick (talk) 03:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Jaespinoza (talk) 07:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments First of all, I was the one who expanded this list to its current format, you only have to see the "history" section and my DYK credit por that matter, I do not know why I was not asked to nominate this list, since I did all the hard work in the first place. I do not see the nominees for the 2012 Latin Grammy Awards, they should be included as I did on my current nomination for Latin Grammy Award for Best Short Form Music Video. More comments to come. Jaespinoza (talk) 17:24, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Actually I had to completely rewrite the lead, verify and fix all the sources and make other changes to the overall list, so you can see on the history of the article that I am indeed a major contributor too, so I don't need to ask you to nominate this. On a side note, thank you for reminding me of the 2012 nominees, i will add them today. — ΛΧΣ21™ 17:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC) I noticed that the 2012 nominees were not arranged correctly, so I fixed that. I have one more comment: Why the name change from "Best Singer-Songwriter Album" to "Best Singer-songwriter Album"? In the Latin Grammy website appears as "Singer-Songwriter". Jaespinoza (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2012 (UTC) Oh, thanks for that :) I appreciate all the help. About the name change, I'll let Zac explain that, as he was the one who performed it. Cheers! — ΛΧΣ21™ 19:23, 14 October 2012 (UTC) (edit conflict) Why does it matter how it is displayed on their website? An example, an album booklets showing the word "the" in the title "In The End" in caps, but it's done "In the End" on Wikipedia as it's the correct form of titles. Singer-songwriter is one word, not two. It could also be written as Singersongwriter, and you wouldn't write it like SingerSongwriter. The caps are only done for each word; Singer-songwriter is a single word. Zac (talk · contribs) 19:28, 14 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the explanation. Jaespinoza (talk) 00:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Further comments: I think the lead should be updated, since Ricardo Arjona is currently the biggest loser on this category with three unsuccessful nominations (5to Piso, Poquita Ropa and Independiente). I'm not sure that adding this would give a good impression of the singer unless rerworded like this: "Guatemalan singer Ricardo Arjona has the highest number of nominations without a single win". Is that okay? What I meant was that this sentence is no longer correct: "Djavan, Jorge Drexler, León Gieco, Ricardo Arjona and Silvio Rodríguez hold the record for the most nominations without a win, with two unsuccessful nominations each." since Arjona has three nominations without a win, I think that "Guatemalan singer Ricardo Arjona has the highest number of nominations without a single win, with three" or something like that could work. Jaespinoza (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2012 (UTC) Okay. Fixed. Thanks :) — ΛΧΣ21™ 03:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC) I have a list currently nominated (for Best Short Form Music Video) and the reviewer asked me to redlink the winners (in case the article does not exist). In the past, when Another Believer started the Grammy WikiProject, we did the articles for all the winners, but it is a lot of work, so I think that redlinking the name of the article would suffice. Jaespinoza (talk) 19:33, 20 November 2012 (UTC) Okay, I will redlink them. — ΛΧΣ21™ 01:43, 21 November 2012 (UTC) Thanks for your comments. — ΛΧΣ21™ 01:43, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Support. Jaespinoza (talk) 19:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Shoaib Akhtar

Nominator(s): Zia Khan 05:12, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

This list includes international cricket five-wicket hauls by Shoaib Akhtar. I've worked on the list and believe that this meets the FL criteria. As always, I'll respond to any comment and suggestion. Zia Khan 05:12, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:24, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments "Shoaib Akhtar, a Pakistani cricketer" since Akhtar has retired from Intn'l cricket, the opeinign phrase needs clarification and a mention of same should be made in the article Fixed. Link Imran, Wasim and Waqar, as non-familiar readers may not know about them Done I think he was always referred by his last name He is referred by his first name. See here May be, but it's a general practice to use the last name —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC) I'm sure about that. Zia Khan 17:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC) "five-wicket hauls takers", this sounds new to me Nothing new, s removed from hauls Is mdy the predominant date format used in Pakistan Date format doesn't matter, you can use any of them. I switched to dmy. It does matter! See the above link —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC) dmy is commonly used in Pakistan. Zia Khan 17:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Alt is confusing. You mean is he wearing the uniform after delivering the ball? Thanks for that. Fixed! Is wickets col. the best to define the scope I don't think it's necessary to use since there is not such independently important column in fifers lists —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Yes, of course wickets column is the best since this is his fifers list. Wickets column is most similar to the fifers. Zia Khan 17:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC) You have used {{double-dagger}} in the key but used that anywhere in the table, inspite of the fact that Akhtar has claimed two ten wicket hauls Thanks again. Done! Correct the caption of the ODI table Corrected. No need for a separate column for refs. as there is sufficient space in the result column One can have a separate column in the table. I've merged the columns. The "batsmen" col. in the ODI table looks cluttered Widened the column How can someone play two ODIs at different venues on the same day My mistake, corrected. Zia Khan 16:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC) —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Further comments Result for the Pakistan in that match Done. A period is the end of everything. Only refs should come after that Done. "ten or more wickets per match twice" add something like in his international career at the end Done. "Shoaib's first was five-wicket haul was". This sentence needs to be slightly re-written Done. "His career-best bowling" add something like figures/performance. Again a re-write is required here Done. Abbreviate Twenty20 International Not required because I've used this just 1 time. Since both the tables have the same no. of columns, I'd prefer the same width for all columns in both the tables See NapHit's comment, and if you could do something with this? The batsmen column for the ODI table is too small. Use the same values of the Test table —Vensatry (Ping me) 20:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC) This value is greater than Test column, check it again. Zia Khan 23:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC) I think you haven't got my point. The column appears to be small because you've used larger values for other columns. Just duplicate the values of the Test table —Vensatry (Ping me) 15:49, 10 November 2012 (UTC) I understand you, I changed the values but it doesn't work and the column appears at it was earlier. Hope you understand my point. Zia Khan 23:19, 10 November 2012 (UTC) When you add "One of two five-wicket hauls by Shoaib in a match" in the table "10 wickets or more taken in the match" is not really needed He took 6 wickets in the 1st innings and 4 wickets in the 2nd against Bangladesh. My bad! I never thought that way —Vensatry (Ping me) 20:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC) Richard Jones is a dab Done. In the ODI table, Robbie Hat links to a football referee of the same name Done. Franklin was a substitute in the second game I didn't get you. Zia Khan 15:57, 7 November 2012 (UTC) If you check the scorecard, it was Ian Butler who was dismissed by Akhtar in his second ODI five-wicket haul —Vensatry (Ping me) 20:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC) Ok, done. Zia Khan 23:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC) —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:57, 7 November 2012 (UTC) I missed out a point in the quote. Since they've used only the first names (I'm talking about Akram, Imran and Waqar), pipelink them accordingly —Vensatry (Ping me) 20:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 23:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:24, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 17:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Remove references in the images, as I am assuming it is in the article's prose anyway I think the image caption can't be adjusted in the article prose. Many of the reviews will ask for the referece baceause this is a notable fact. "described Shoaib as "the fastest bowler in the world"" the shouldn't be inside the quote Done. "twelve" should be 12 per WP:MOSNUM in order to be consistent with the rest of the list This is a comparative figure (Shoaib took twelve five-wicket hauls in Test cricket and four in ODIs.) Per MOS:DTT, table captions should further explain, like instead of "Key", how about "Key of the table below", and instead "Five-wicket hauls in Test cricket" how about "Five-wicket hauls in Test cricket for Shoaib Akhtar" I'm not saying do those examples, just something like that perhaps Done. "Ref" missing dot period the column is merged to result column per Vensatry's suggestion Just a suggestion, but I would align references in the table to the center As above I've said it before, but I don't think {{cite web}} should be used in external links Why not? If we have a template we should use it, what do you think? Zia Khan 16:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 14:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 17:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 15:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "In cricket, a five-wicket haul" no need for In cricket when the previous sentence ends with "international cricket" Done. "between 1997 to 2011" that is grammatically incorrect either change between to from Done. "the ESPNcricinfo" no need for the to be used Done. "natural successor to the legacy of Imran, Wasim and Waqar." use their full names, not everyone knows who they are Done. in a match which Pakistan won at the Kingsmead Cricket Ground, Durban Not sure how to do this.Zia Khan 23:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC) I just wanted those words taking it out, done it myself. NapHit (talk) 15:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC) I think you should use his surname to refer to him by, not his first name He is known by his first name so I've chosen this and the same was suggested by Harrias when I was working at Waqar's list. Yes just looked at, its not a major issue. It is more common for people to be referred to by their surname, at least in England not sure if it is different elsewhere. I think I remember a discussion a while ago about sorting Indian/Pakistan players by first name rather than last name, so I guess there is a predcent for players to be known by first name rather than last name. In that case I'll leave it be. NapHit (talk) 15:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC) "took a pair of five-wicket hauls in a single match against New Zealand..." Done. "He went on to take ten or more wickets per match on two occasions." -> "Akhtar took ten or more wickets per match twice" Done. "Making his One Day International (ODI) debut" example of WP:NOUNING needs revising Done. "Shoaib's first ODI five-wicket haul came in 2001 against New Zealand in a match which Pakistan won at the Eden Park, Auckland." -> His first was five-wicket haul was against New Zealand in 2001. Done. 'ODI cricket" -> ODIs Done. "Shoaib took twelve five-wicket hauls in Test cricket and four in ODIs" I think theses statements should be split and the first one merged with the last sentence in the second para Done. "in this format of the game. Done. "internatioal cricket" typo Done. I don't think mentioning he recorded the fastest delivery in the image caption is relevant. This list is about five-wicket hauls not fastest deliveries Removed. As the tables have the same number of columns they should be of equal length for uniformity Done. Zia Khan 23:20, 29 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 17:52, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments "ESPNcricinfo described Shoaib as the "fastest bowler in the world" and the "natural successor to the legacy of Imran, Wasim and Waqar"." I think you can do better than an ESPN quote, try The Times, or Wisden or something with some serious cricket gravitas. Done. Second para is a bit "stabby" to read, short fact sentence followed by short fact sentence. No real flow. Done. Best ODI in table is 6/11 but lead says 6/16. Check it again! It's 6/16. Zia Khan 11:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC) Aha, I'm mistaken. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 18:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support Your are doing great! ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 16:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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List of international cricket centuries by Matthew Hayden

Nominator(s): —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 06:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Another centuries list, from perhaps one of the most talented cricketers. This is based on similar FLs that we have. Look forward to your comments and suggestions. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 06:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 22:24, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "and an aggressive attitude" quote needs [with] adding before an aggressive attitude as it currently doesn't make sense. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) and the Wisden Cricketers Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Not keen on sentences that with "In..." its poor prose, needs revising Made a small c/e —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Also is there is a source that explicitly states why Hayden was named ICC ODI cricketer of the year? could do with a bit more info than because of his accomplishments with the bat, its a bit ambiguous Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) You need to explicitly state what Lara's record was, not everyone has an intimate knowledge of cricket Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:55, 20 October 2012 (UTC) "Lara subsequently went passed Hayden's total when he scored 400 not out in a match against England in April 2004." -> Lara beat Hayden's total when he scored 400 not out in a match against England in April 2004." Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) 'Making his ODI debut in 1993,[5] Hayden's achieved his first ODI century..." -> "Hayden made his ODI debut in 1993, he achieved his first century..." Done with a slight modification —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) "Hayden's highest score of 181 not out came against New Zealand in 2007" change came to was Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) "at that time" -> at the time Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) "till date" -> to date Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) "making 658 runs" -> with 658 runs Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) "where his highest score remains 73 not out" this suggest he can still beat the total, as he has retired that is not the case, change to his highest score was 73 not out Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Test column would be more useful, if you state what Test in the series he scored the century. See the Sunil Gavaskar list for instance Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) As we have the same number of columns in both tables, they should be the same width as one another Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) ref 1 the hyphen should be an en dash, likewise the score in ref 15 Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) ref 15 also needs the date adding Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Zia Khan 22:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments– He has scored centuries (100 or more runs) in Test matches and One Day International (ODI) matches → He scored centuries (100 or more runs in a single innings) in Test and One Day International (ODI) matches at the Adelaide Oval when he made 125 → scored 125 His highest score of 380 came against Zimbabwe at Perth in 2003 → for consistency Perth should be "the WACA Ground" 400 not out in a match against England in April 2004. → Link England He has scored centuries in each innings of a test match on two different occasions. → Test match century against India in Visakhapatnam in 2001. → century against India at the Indira Priyadarshini Stadium, in 2001 Hayden has played nine Twenty20 International (T20I) matches, period of over fifteen years → 15 Key table requires row scopes For consistency link Yahoo Cricket, same for BBC Sport Ref# 4 needs publisher Your are using DMY format in tables while MDY in refeneces, be consistent Link not out Zia Khan 04:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Fixed all —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC) More– and Wisden Cricketers of the year → link it to Wisden Cricketers of the Year Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) each innings of a test match on two different occasions. → Test Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) the Indira Priyadarshini Stadium, Visakhapatnam in 2001.[11] He made ten centuries → comma after Visakhapatnam and 10 in the next sentence Comma shouldn't be there since the sentence is continuous. I've not used numerical notation for ten since this is a comparative figure. —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Hayden was the leading run scorer in the tournament → run-scorer Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) where his highest score was 73 not out. → something missing there Not quite sure —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Zia Khan 19:31, 22 October 2012 (UTC) "Hayden made his ODI debut in 1993", try to avoid repitition from the previou paragraph → Having made or something...? See NapHit's comment —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit suggested ('Making his ODI debut in 1993,[5] Hayden's achieved his first ODI century..." -> "Hayden made his ODI debut in 1993, he achieved his first century...") because "1993" is past and doesn't make sence, it should be "Having made his ODI debut"?! Zia Khan 22:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Past? I'm not getting you. —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC) No my mistake but I'm trying to say that "Making his ODI debut in 1993,[5] Hayden's achieved his first ODI century against India at the Indira Priyadarshini Stadium, Visakhapatnam in 2001." doesn't make any sense: it appears to have a dangling modifier, and is in the wrong tense entirely. This isn't an alternative for "Hayden made his ODI debut in 1993" because had not made century in the same match. Not a big deal. Zia Khan 23:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Good work. Zia Khan 23:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 15:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Since there are two people in the picture, I would make a note of which side of it is the "Matthew Hayden" Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Link Matthew Hayden in image per WP:REPEATLINK Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) "Described as "a strong-built left-hander, an intimidating personality and [possessing] an aggressive attitude, [he] had all the ingredients that made him successful in international cricket", Hayden scored 8,625 runs in Tests and 6,133 runs in ODIs" I think that requires copy-editing, I don't understand the writing of it The first part is just a quote, while the second part mentions his statistical record —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) "He was named as" remove as, because it is redundant and unnecessary Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) "Hayden was" was should be is, shouldn't it? Which one are you referring to? —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) "all formats of the game put together" add "with" at the beginning of that Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) In ref 43, ESPNcricinfo should be a publisher, as are all other uses of it Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 18:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 15:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments Not overly keen on having the kid in the lead picture, could you crop it? I'm afraid I can't do that. It's very difficult to crop Hayden's image —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) It's not that difficult, just use Paint or something. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC) The image would become too small if I crop Hayden's face. I'm a long way from an expert when it comes to working with images. Someone else can do it —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:58, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Flickr has another image that could be used in this (and other Hayden articles), worth checking it out. Saw that. The face is not at all visible in the image and the present one is better by all means —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Could use it anyway to demonstrate Hayden actually playing. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Doesn't the present image demonstrate Hayden? The image which you suggested also has Dhoni in the picture and someone might want to crop that one too —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Merge opening sentences. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Check "organized" is AusEng (i.e. not "organised"). Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Attribution requirements suggest we need to say who said that quote about his "aggressive attitude". Not able to figure out the writer. —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Well, I would seek attribution correctly, per WP:QUOTE. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:59, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Maybe link "bat" (in the "with the bat" quote) just in case..... Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "to score a century for the second time in his international career" -> "to score his second international century". Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "surpassing Brian Lara's record of 375." not referenced. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "He scored centuries in each innings.." who? Last person you mentioned was Lara, but this is Hayden's list... Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Four paras in the lead seems too much for an article of this length... We talk about Intro, Test, ODI and T20I+retirement phase. I absolutely don't have any idea on how to merge them —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "He made ten centuries against five different opponents.[12] He was most successful against New Zealand and India, scoring four and three centuries against each of them respectively.[12]" merge. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "of 181 not out was against New Zealand in 2007,[11] an Australian record at the time." -> "of 181 not out against New Zealand in 2007,[11] was an Australian record at the time." Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) " he never managed to score a century in ..." -> "he failed to score..." Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "any of the games, where his highest" -> "any game; his highest..." Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "After having served the Australian cricket team for a period of over 15 years," -> "After representing his country for over 15 years, Hayden retired from international cricket...." Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "of century-makers in international cricket, with all formats of the game put together" -> "international cricket in all formats combined." Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Don't link Hayden's name in the image captions, and don't repeat his first name. I suggested that in the first place, as per WP:REPEATLINK. I disagree with that. TBrandley 16:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Interesting but (a) no need to repeat the first name and (b) I see no value at all in repeating the link in the opening sentence of the lead, the lead image and the next section image. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Looking at WP:REPEATLINK again, it may not be "helpful for readers" if it is repeated in an image right beside the first link in lead. It would be good either way, IMO. Cheers, TBrandley 17:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 20:03, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments – I know the quotes about the cricketers add some flavor to the lead section in each of these lists, but this one is not working at all grammar-wise. I suggest cutting some of it, and splitting the non-quote stat part of the sentence into its own sentence. Strongly agree with your point. I find it difficult to cut the quote, perhaps you could suggest an idea. —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC) I'd stop the quote after "aggressive attitude", then write "with" followed by the "all the ingredients", and a non-quote "needed for success" or something like that. Maybe that will work better grammar-wise. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:07, 4 November 2012 (UTC) Only thing I see left is that a quotation mark should be added before the bracketed "with". It looks better now. Giants2008 (Talk) 03:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC) Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 03:02, 11 November 2012 (UTC) Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 14:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC) "surpassing Brian Lara's record of 375." It's somewhat vague what the record he broke actually is. Was it an Australian record? Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC) "was against New Zealand, was an Australian record at the time." Needs "and" before the second "was". Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC) No need for two South Africa cricket team links in the lead. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC) For the first sentence of the fourth paragraph, if you need two semi-colons then the structure could probably use improvement. Try making the latter part "he failed to score a century in any game, recording a high score of 73 not out" or something similar. Giants2008 (Talk) 14:25, 2 November 2012 (UTC) Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support, decent list, no remaining major issues as far as I can tell. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:55, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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List of film directors of the Dutch East Indies

Nominator(s):  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:14, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it fully meets the criteria. The cinema of the Dutch East Indies was fairly quiet, especially compared to explorations made in Europe and the US, so this list is my shortest thus far. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:14, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 03:16, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments I would add a section header before going the main table Text shouldn't be bold, it is a MOS:BOLD and WP:ACCESS concern Use actual sub-section headers per WP:ACCESS TBrandley 01:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Done point 1 and 3. Where do you see bold text? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:12, 30 September 2012 (UTC) You just removed it. I would now suggest adding that table caption back per MOS:DTT, without bolding as it was before. TBrandley 01:58, 30 September 2012 (UTC) Got it myself. Cheers! TBrandley 03:16, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 03:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support - Looks pretty sharp! I'm fine with the similarities between this and the films list. A few redirects (Rd. Ariffien, Raden Ariffien, native Indonesian) but that's just quibbles. --PresN 18:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the review! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support An amazing list. — ΛΧΣ21™ 01:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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List of Rajasthan Royals cricketers

Nominator(s): ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 16:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it meets the criteria and is based on existing FL List of Delhi Daredevils cricketers. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 16:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Regarding the top message, I would add a "This article is about ...", then that for stuff. Use {{about}}.  Done "scored1142" your missing a space  Done "while only conceding" remove only per WP:NPOV  Done This is a big formatting mistake in the players section. So the table and images may should be in same area, make table width or image width smaller I didn't got you clearly but I think that there is some mis-understanding. It seems that there is some technical fault in MediaWiki software, and something is wrong in my and your browser. I just checked out some other lists (List of Delhi Daredevils cricketers, List of Indian Premier League five-wicket hauls, List of Indian Premier League umpires) and they are also not showing sortable lists. This is somewhat which happen to me every month, and I am tired of it. "doesn't" avoid contractions  Done Some images don't have alt text Would be a great help if you could list those images. This shows that each of them has alt text. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 09:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 23:23, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 21:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose issues with data integrity. Opening paragraph is a little choppy. Lots of short sentences and the rather jarring repeat of "It" or "Its".... makes for weak prose.  Done Perhaps worth noting that Watson is one of the foreign players to have represented RR while mentioning his record number of runs. I think that this will be unnecessary. "the fourth highest scorer" where is this referenced?  Done "most number of wicket for" -> "most wickets for".  Done Chitnis, one match, one inning, 12 runs, average of 6?  Done Watson has 1142 runs in lead, 1242 in table.  Done Watson's top score is 90* but he has no 50s?  Done Overall, troubling that a spot check revealed such data issues...  Done Don't see a need for a number column for captains because the "reigns" overlap in any case.  Done ESPNcricinfo has a small c.  Done The Rambling Man (talk) 11:49, 8 October 2012 (UTC) I have fixed some other errors also, hopefully everything is fine now. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 14:39, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 17:16, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "and then won the final from the Chennai Super Kings, claiming the title of the first IPL winner." and won the final against the Chennai Super Kings to become the first winner of the IPL "was cancelled due to 2008 Mumbai attacks." need to add the between to and 2008 "In total, 63 players have played for RR..." In total is redundant "1242 runs" comma after the 1, this also applies to the figures in the tables that are over 1000 Align the countries in the nationality column to the left, currently looks messy and hard to read Issue with the captains table, think you have added one row too many on the sort bottom function ref 4, 5 and 6 have differing date formats than the other refs, the other have the month first, while these three have the date first NapHit (talk) 21:11, 11 October 2012 (UTC)  Done all. :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 11:02, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Zia Khan 20:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "The BBI has not not been provided for those bowlers who have not taken any wicket while playing for RR."  Done Link "CricketArchive" and "ESPNcricinfo" at thier first usage in the references.  Done "CricketArchive" should be linked at first usage. Zia Khan 20:50, 15 October 2012 (UTC)  Done Same for the BBC Sports.  Done Ref# 5 needs author. Author's name has been not provided in the news articles. Ref# 6: PTI should be Press Trust of India and put it in the publisher parameter, The Hindu should be in the work parameter. The reference needs author, too.  Done Again, author' name is not there. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 12:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Zia Khan 21:58, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support— Meets the standards. Zia Khan 20:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 00:08, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments – No need for multiple Chennai Super Kings links in the lead.  Done Shane Warne photo caption: First name should be included, and "wicket" needs to be plural.  Done Rahul Dravid caption: "with the highest score of 66." → "with a high score of 66."?  Done BBI column has some weird sorting. Uniyal and Warne don't seem to be ordered right, and Jadeja doesn't seem to be in order for the second number.  Done Footnote 4: Should "the" be removed before RR? Also, the comma after the date could be a semi-colon instead.  Done Giants2008 (Talk) 03:25, 18 October 2012 (UTC) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Footnote 1: "who have being not out in the inning/s they played" needs a rewrite.  Done Now reads "who have nve got our while playing for RR". Is this meant to be "who have never got out" or something like that?  Done Feel like slaping myself. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Giants2008 (Talk) 00:08, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Try not to start a sentence with a number, like in "63 players have played for RR".  Done Changed it to alphabets. I'd add a hyphen between the numbers, but otherwise this is fixed now. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:08, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Hyphen added. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 16:57, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments by TSU

• At the top of the article This page lists all those players who have played at least one match for Rajasthan Royals. is satated. While in the body of the article, The first list includes all players who have played at least one match for RR - This is repeating and I'd reckon to reduce the length of the text in the hatnote. Perhaps, please remove it from the hatnote.
• The portal doesn't seem to be fitting so can you make it inline?

The list and the prose looks good otherwise for the star. TheSpecialUser ^TSU 07:49, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done all. Thanks for the review. :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 07:55, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support - You are doing great Vibhi! I find it really tough to find issues at your list of late. TheSpecialUser ^TSU 07:58, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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List of red-flagged Formula One races

Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 20:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because after some recent work I believe the list meets the criteria. All comments to be dealt with expediently, cheers NapHit (talk) 20:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 22:49, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "A man in a white overall leaning standing" I don't understand that fixed. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) "ten-minute" not sure a hyphen is necessary the f1 site uses a hyphen, so I'm going to stick with it for time being NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) "If a race is unable to be resumed then", add a comma after resumed done NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Per MOS:PUNCT, "Consistent use of the straight (or typewriter) apostrophe ( ' ) is recommended, as opposed to the curly (or typographic) apostrophe ( ’ )." That said, I see some instances of the curly being used in the list. done NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) "half-points are awarded" again, not sure a hyphen is correct done NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) "lap 5" 5 should be five, as per WP:MOSNUM done NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) "Formula One World Championship races that have been red-flagged" can you add a "list of" at the first part of that table caption there is no requirement to add this, its obivous its a list. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) I don't think you should, well, as questions, like "Was the race restarted?" could perhaps be changed to "This parameter indicates whether the race was restated.", or something Nowhere is there "Was the race restarted?", there is a big difference between that and whether the race was restarted or not, one is a question one is a statement. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) The tooltip for the "R" column heading used to say "Was the race restarted?". I have changed it to "Race restarted". DH85868993 (talk) 01:07, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Rather than saying "Y" or "N", could you write out fully, as "Yes" and "No", or clarify? It is clarified in the key, its clear what they refer to. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) In some parts of the list (like the lede), you write "per cent" with a space, in others you don't, you write as "percent". Please be consistent. done NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) "British Broadcasting Corporation" should be just simply "BBC", as per MOS:ACRO exceptions nowhere does it state in that link that British Broadcasting Corporation should be BBC per an exception. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Any further categories? Nope I think the current category is the most appropriate and there aren't others to include as far as I'm aware. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 23:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the comments I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 22:49, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Zia Khan 21:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments— If a race is unable to be resumed then “the results will be taken at the end of the penultimate lap before the lap during which the signal to suspend the race was given.” Why is this in quote? because that it is exactly what the source says. therefore it needs to be in quotation marks. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) 26 of the races were stopped on the first lap, all of which were subsequently restarted. Three of the races were stopped...... Sentences starts with similar words. changed the to these, but not sure is any other way to word that sentence. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) when his car collided with the the back of Didier Pironi's Ferrari. done NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Most of the sentences in the table have a fullstop at their end while others not. What is the reason for that? the ones that don't have a full stop are not complete sentences. Therefore, they don't need full stops. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) I didn't understand, like for example rows (1989 Mexican Grand Prix and 1989 French Grand Prix) have similar sentences. The 1st has a fullstop at the end while the later not. Zia Khan 20:58, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Ah yes those should have periods, added them now. NapHit (talk) 21:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Link Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile in the references. Same for the other cites. There is no requirement for there to be links in references. As I'm aware its based on personal preference. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) I would use publisher parameter for BBC Sports. Again, I don't think this is an issue. Technically the publisher is the BBC not BBC Sport so this way is correct I believe. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Zia Khan 23:35, 17 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the comments, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Meets the standards. Zia Khan 21:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• "there is also a display in the driver's cockpit which alerts them to the accident" when was this introduced? Also, I would like the table to include the total number of laps of the GP asides from the lap when it was stopped (at least for the GPs that were not restarted). Nergaal (talk) 18:57, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I've added more details on the display in the cockpit, but i've not added the total number of laps as I don't think its necessary. The primary information that we need is when the accident occurred not how many laps there were in total, this is too much info per WP:NOTSTATS. Clicking on the link for the races suffices. NapHit (talk) 19:21, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Goodraise 12:12, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

*"two annual Championships" – Capitalization necessary? I was unsure about this, but everywhere else I look I see it capitalised, so I'm hesitant to de-capitalise at the moment. NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced it should not be capitalized. As far as I can tell, it's not a proper noun. I just don't see any reason for it to be capitalized. done NapHit (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC) "one for drivers and one for constructors" – WP:EASTEREGG links. Perhaps link like this: "one for drivers and one for constructors"? done NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "was introduced in 2007, it involves" – Comma splice. done NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Make it "in 2007. It involves". done NapHit (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "a display of flag signals in the driver's cockpit to which alerts them to the accident" done NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "the pit exit is closed" – Wikilink? there is only a wikilink for pit stop to have wikilinked that on first usage. NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "before it returns to the pit lane" – Wikilink? done per the above NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "in 1950" – Getting rid of the WP:EASTEREGG would be nice. How about linking to 1950 British Grand Prix? have now linked first World Championship Grand Prix (piped from your suggestion) and removed the 1950 link. NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Still WP:EASTEREGGy. In fact I'm questioning the point of the "Since the first World Championship Grand Prix at Silverstone in 1950" bit. Wouldn't an "As of something" bit be more useful, telling the reader how up to date the numbers are? I've removed the Easter egg link and changed the structure of that sentence retaining the start. I prefer using since, as it provides the reader with some context regarding Formula One and how often a red-fla has been shown during that time. NapHit (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Fine. Although it still bugs me that so much emphasis is placed on that first grand prix. How about "Since the first World Championship Grand Prix in 1950, a red flag has been shown..."? done NapHit (talk) 13:49, 27 October 2012 (UTC) "due to incidents that resulted in fatalities" – Another WP:EASTEREGG. Perhaps link like this: "due to incidents that resulted in fatalities"? done NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "Race stopped due to rain" – Complete sentences require periods. done NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "Half points were awarded.[A] – In the spirit of WP:REPEATLINK, place that footnote on each occurrence. done NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "Accident involving Niki Lauda" – WP:REPEATLINK. Multiple occurrences. there is no link to Niki Lauda n that particular sentence, but I assume you're referring to the link in the winner's column as well. Repeatlinking in tables is permitted if the table is sortable, primarily because when the table is sorted the links are not in their original position, therefore it saves the reader scrolling around for one link. NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) My reasoning exactly, which is why I'm asking for more links, not fewer. I see, this issue should be fixed now. NapHit (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC) The (partially inconsistent) shortening of the sentences in the "Incident" column strikes me as awkward and unnecessary. had a go at fixing these, hopefully these less awkwardly. NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Honestly, I don't know what to make of sentences like these: "Stopped due to an accident involving nine cars, race was restarted over the original distance." There's enough space in the table to write "The race was stopped due to an accident involving nine cars. It was restarted over the original distance." In this expanded form, the comma splice becomes apparent, and I find myself raising an eyebrow to "restarting over the original distance". It's easy enough to figure out what is meant, but I wonder if not boring our readers with repetitive language warrants subjecting them to this. Now I'm far from a great copy-editor, but I'd feel much better about this if someone who is one told me it was fine. I've expanded the sentences and they should read a lot better now. NapHit (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "It was restarted over the original distance." – Weird wording. I'd say the race was resumed in cases of reduced distance. I'm against using resumed as it implies the race carried on from similar circumstances to before the incident, when that is not the case. When a race is red-flagged, it is restarted in the same fashion as at the start. It is also officially referred to as a restart, so I'm against changing that. NapHit (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC) "The race [insert was here?] stopped" – Multiple occurrences. "due to rain, it was restarted over the original distance." Comma splice. Multiple occurrences. "The race was stopped on [insert the here?] first lap" "The race was restarted on the aggregate timing of the first 30 laps and subsequent 33." – I don't understand. Multiple occurrences. "An Accident involving a number of cars" – Not a proper noun. "due to the Fatal accident of Ayrton Senna" – Not a proper noun. "Michael Schumacher subsequently crashed after the red flag was shown." Ok, think i've fixed/clarified all these. NapHit (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC) I'll examine the references later. Looking forward to support this nomination. Goodraise 13:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the comments, I have addressed each one. NapHit (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Revisited. Goodraise 18:48, 21 October 2012 (UTC) I'm very close to supporting. There's just a few nits left for me to pick with the references. They all seem reliable, but the citation format is a wee bit unusual. Last time I read it top to bottom, WP:CITE basically said "meh, do whatever you like". Still, consistency would be nice. Refs. 6, 12, 16, 17 and 20: ESPN or ESPNF1? Make up your mind. fixed NapHit (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Giving "ESPNF1 staff" as author would appear rather pointless. I don't mind it being there, I'm just asking myself why bother pointing out that no authors have been named? removed NapHit (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Using {{cite web}}'s |publisher= field for website names (off topic: is there a good translation for the German word zweckentfremden?) is one thing, as it's done far and wide. However, using its |work= field (according to the template documentation intended for website names) for website sections is pushing it. I'm not going to oppose over this, but I had to mention it at least. I assume you're referring to the BBC sport references, I was not aware this was an issue, its actually widely done on references from this site, see here. I can change to just BBC Sport as publisher if you like? That was the way i formatted it before I was told otherwise NapHit (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC) It's not an issue. I just think it's unwise to use templates (which can change) in ways other than specified in their documentation. If you want to use this peculiar citation style, that's fine with me (as long as nothing is added to WP:CITE which would forbid it). However, it might be worth considering to format those citations manually, rather than abusing citation templates. And one more thing: The references in this article are all placed in footnotes, which is why I'd rename the "Footnotes" section to simply "Notes". By the way, you can nest cite.php footnotes using {{#tag:ref}}. Here is an example. Hopefully, that'll be it from me. Goodraise 23:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Changed footnotes to notes. NapHit (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Revisited. Goodraise 23:13, 26 October 2012 (UTC) Yet more, sorry. Multiple times the article says something to the effect of "an accident stopped the race". Should I take that to mean "the race was stopped due to an accident" or did these accidents literally stop those races? changed them to the race was stopped due to an accident. NapHit (talk) 16:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC) "It was restarted for a further 22 laps, and the time was combined with the first 58 laps." – I can guess what is meant here, but I don't like to guess. Each driver's times from the two partial races are summed up as his total time, right? Multiple occurrences. I've clarified that this decided the race. It is hard trying to explain this term, but yes, the times from the two parts of the race are added to together to create an aggregate time. NapHit (talk) 16:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC) Well, we are striving to meet professional standards of writing here. In light of that, I don't think the wording is clear enough yet. "The race was stopped due to a fatal accident involving Riccardo Paletti." – I wonder who died in that accident. Is it known? Paletti died, changed it to make this clear. NapHit (talk) 16:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC) "laps, and the time was combined" and "laps and the time was combined" – Consistency please. done NapHit (talk) 16:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC) "The race was stopped due to the fatal accident of Ayrton Senna." – Another easter egg link. How about "The race was stopped due to the fatal accident of Ayrton Senna"? done NapHit (talk) 16:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC) "The race was stopped due to the accidents of Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso." – Multiple occurrences. done NapHit (talk) 16:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC) Revisited. Goodraise 15:25, 27 October 2012 (UTC) Revisited. Goodraise 21:49, 27 October 2012 (UTC) After all those changes to the "Incidents" column, I've got more: More than half of the races were "restarted over the original distance." How about not boring our readers with so much repetitive language and instead make use of the table format. For instance, the "R" column could distinguish between three cases, rather than two: "the race was not restarted", "the race was restarted over reduced distance" and "the race was completely restarted". Done NapHit (talk) 21:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC) About a third of the races were stopped at least in part due to rain. How about using the table format to reduce some of the repetitive language? Having a dedicated column for whether rain contributed to the interruption of the race might be beneficial to our readers. This is a good idea, but I do see a problem. Races win which rain was the only factor that stopped the race would leave the incident column blank. If that's not an issue then I'll happily add the column. NapHit (talk) 21:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC) All entries in the "Incidents" column currently start with "The race was stopped". Changing the column header could reduce the need for so much repetition. For instance, making the column header say "Red-flag prompting incident" would allow for that column's field in the 1990 Portuguese Grand Prix's line to say just: "An accident involving Aguri Suzuki and Alex Caffi". done NapHit (talk) 21:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Let me use this opportunity to thank you for your swift reactions and especially for putting up with what must seem like never-ending pedantry. Goodraise 21:49, 27 October 2012 (UTC) No problem at all. I have to say, the thoroughness of your review is refreshing. NapHit (talk) 21:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Revisited. Goodraise 02:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC) "Nine of these were stopped due to rain" – I'm counting more than nine. Am I missing something? This is in relation to the previous sentence which mentions how many races were not restarted, of which there were nine. NapHit (talk) 13:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Well, I'm still somewhat dissatisfied with that paragraph for various reasons, e.g. it is too verbose and unnecessarily complex in structure, even misleading. How about "Since the first World Championship Grand Prix in 1950, red flags have been shown in sixty-three races. Twenty-six were restarted on the first lap. Thirteen races, nine stopped because of rain and four due to accidents involving drivers, were not restarted. Three races were stopped due to incidents that resulted in fatalities: The 1975 Spanish Grand Prix was stopped on lap twenty-nine and not restarted after Rolf Stommelen's car crashed into a spectator area, killing five people. The 1982 Canadian Grand Prix was halted on the first lap after Riccardo Paletti was killed when his car collided with the back of Didier Pironi's Ferrari. The 1994 San Marino Grand Prix was red-flagged on lap five following the fatal accident of Ayrton Senna, in which his car crashed into a wall at the Tamburello curve."? changed it to what you suggested. NapHit (talk) 13:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC) "all of which were subsequently restarted." Racing flags – Already linked in the lead. removed NapHit (talk) 13:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC) "following the fatal accident of Ayrton Senna" – Easter egg link I should have noticed earlier. done NapHit (talk) 13:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC) "Three of these races were stopped due to incidents that resulted in fatalities." – I'd use a colon. done NapHit (talk) 13:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC) I really thought I'd've capped and supported by now, but every time I go over the article I find something new. Goodraise 02:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC) "A ten-minute warning is given before the race is resumed behind the safety car, which leads the field for a lap before it returns to the pit lane." – I wonder, if the safety car is involved in all restarts, why mention it specifically in some of the list entries? Revisited. Goodraise 11:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC) This was a rule change that occurred around in 2005, so all races that have been red-flagged since then have been restarted behind the safety car. Can add this, but not sure about the best way to mention it. NapHit (talk) 13:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC) I'd like to help, but it's rather difficult without knowing what exactly your source says. Goodraise 20:46, 31 October 2012 (UTC) Its the sporting regulations for the 2005 season, so it mentions the procedure in similar vein to the lead. NapHit (talk) 21:16, 31 October 2012 (UTC) Without access to the source (or a quotation), I can't help you much. If a safety car hasn't always been used, the reader might like to know when this procedure was introduced and what was done before. Goodraise 12:20, 1 November 2012 (UTC) I've added a bit about it now. NapHit (talk) 13:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC) Actually, I don't understand why this (safety car related) stuff is relevant in the first place. I'm not a racing fan, so I'm probably missing something, but it doesn't seem all that important to me (within the context of this article) how the restarts were carried out. If you think that kind of information is important, by all means include it, but keep it balanced and consistent. How things are handled today should not be given more attention than how they were handled 20 years ago, or 20 years before that. (See WP:RECENTISM.) Along the same line, I don't understand why the article mentions who restarted behind the safety car, but not who restarted from pole position before 2005. Goodraise 17:53, 1 November 2012 (UTC) The reason it was mentioned in the first place is because that is the current procedure. I'm aware of recentism, but I don't feel its necessary to go into detail about every change to restart procedures here. I think its important to provide the reader information on how the race is restarted given the nature of the article, so I'm going to mention the changes made because as far as I'm aware that is the only major change in the restart procedure. I'll remove who started behind the safety car since 2005 as well for consistency. NapHit (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

• I've gotten increasingly busy since I started reviewing this nomination. I need to get this off my plate, so I'll just say: Support, good enough. Goodraise 12:12, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Arsenikk (talk) 19:25, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

;Comments by Arsenikk (talk) The second "Lap" in the key is not a proper noun so should not be capitalized. done NapHit (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2012 (UTC) It strikes me as odd that there is one red flag in 1950 and then none for twenty years. Is there any reason for this, or is it purely coincidental? I think this is purely coincidental, safety measures were virtually non-existent from 1950 to the early 70s, even if there were major incidents such as at the 1961 Italian Grand Prix, where 15 spectators where killed and yet the race continued. It appears stewards were less inclined to stop races than they are today. NapHit (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Quite a number of races have been stalled by rain. Perhaps you could expend a sentence or two explaining the rain conditions which warrant a red flag. Although I am not an avid F1 follower, it strikes me they usually race rain or shine. If the races have been stopped by rain, then its because the conditions were treacherous, leading to poor visibility and aquaplaning. Unfortunately, race reports are at a premium so I can't expand the descriptions as this would constitute original research. Where they are available I've tried to describe the incident as much as possible. NapHit (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Otherwise in excellent condition. Arsenikk (talk) 20:49, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the comments, they've all been addressed. NapHit (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support excellent list. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:25, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support, but maybe more photos could be added, for example from the most recently red-flagged 2012 Malaysian Grand Prix or 2011 Canadian Grand Prix. --Sporti (talk) 12:24, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I would add photos, but there is nowhere to put them unfortunately. NapHit (talk) 12:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 20:04, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments – Don't think the hyphen is needed in "Following a red flag being shown". 1975 Spanish Grand Prix: "an" is needed before "accident". 1982 Canadian Grand Prix: "the" needed before "original distance". 2007 European Grand Prix: First word of "Safety car" shouldn't be capitalized. Same goes for each of the last four entries. Ref 17 looks like it has a typo or two in the title. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the comments Giants, they've all been addressed. NapHit (talk) 19:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: is there any particular reason why the letters in the key are bolded, but the ones in the table proper are not?—Midgrid(talk) 15:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Its automatically bolded in the key for some reason, I guess to emphasise the symbol. As its already been emphasised and made clear what the symbols are in the key, it doesn't need to be bolded in the main table as well. NapHit (talk) 16:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

They are bolded because you used scope. You could get rid of it with plainrowheaders. To my knowledge, both is permissible per MOS. Goodraise 17:22, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah, forgot about scope, I've added plainrowheaders now, so there is no bolding. NapHit (talk) 17:51, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I support this article for FL status.—Midgrid(talk) 22:06, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

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Arthur C. Clarke Award

Nominator(s): PresN 21:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Next up on my sporadic project of improving sci-fi and fantasy award lists, we have the Arthur C. Clarke Award, given out for the best sci-fi novel published the prior year in the United Kingdom. Although respected by authors and insiders, this award isn't as noted by the public at large as the Hugos or Nebulas- though that may just be due to the relative sizes of Britain and America. Nevertheless, the list is now up to shape with those other awards, and is ready for judging. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 21:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 15:10, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments very nice list, good work, just some quick comments: Link science fiction in the infobox Done. Unlink United Kingdom per WP:OVERLINK Done. "SCI-FI-LONDON" shouldn't be in capitals, for MOS:CAPS Done. "clarkeaward.com/" remove the slash at the end Done. Don't use "currently" as per WP:RELTIME Done. Same goes for "recent" Done. In the list, you use "£", can you make a note that that is referring to the UK pound It does, 7 words prior. "the award has been presented on the opening night of the SCI-FI-LONDON film festival", unlink SCI-FI-LONDON, as its first link is further above in the prose, this is for WP:OVERLINK Done. "of which 23 have won" just a suggestion, but maybe "23 of which have won" instead Done. Add table captions to the table as per MOS:DTT Done, though the whole preceding paragraph is a table caption. Add plainrowheaders to the table's coding for WP:ACCESS "Please note that the use of "plainrowheaders" is not necessary, it's a choice of layout." - MOS:DTT. Not to mention that "plainrowheaders" un-bolds the row headers and un-highlights them... which is already done in this table. "clarkeaward.com" to "Arthur C. Clarke Award" just say that, perhaps Done. No worries if there is nothing, or no issue, as this one is bot-generated, but it says "*As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space in between. For example, the sun is larger than the moon [2]. is usually written as the sun is larger than the moon.[2]" The bot doesn't like ref columns in tables, FYI; ignored. TBrandley 03:05, 12 October 2012 (UTC) Responded inline; thanks for reviewing! --PresN 18:41, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 15:10, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 21:35, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments For BritEng, organisation has an s, not a z. Done. "Sci-Fi-London film festival" notable enough to be linked? Already linked in the first paragraph. "23 of which " should that be 23 of whom? Done. For winning works which simply redirect to the author, I suggest you link them to a (non-existant) article about the work. Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC) Responded inline; thanks for reviewing! --PresN 21:34, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

;Prose comments from Crisco 1492 Running out of American awards? first published in the United Kingdom - If it were published in the US before then, would it be eligible or not? Yes, they ignore publication history outside of the UK. Prior to 2001, the award was £1000. - Any reason for the change, even one related to A Space Odyssey? None that I could find. As of 2012, the award has been - Has been, or is still? Has been seems to imply it's not anymore. Changed to "is" Once again, splendid article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks! Not out of American or worldwide awards, this one just caught my eye. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 17:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose. Looks solid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Comment - "...and then select a winning book from there." This is the only issue I could find, I think it could be worded slightly better. NapHit (talk) 13:55, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Changed to "... book from that list." --PresN 19:05, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I changed it again, feel free to revert if you disagree. Anyway as thatwas the only issue I could see, I Support. NapHit (talk) 19:36, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support Nothing to add.--Tomcat (7) 18:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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Big Boi discography

Nominator(s): I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 18:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because having considerably improved the formatting and prose, I feel (and hope) that it is ready to be promoted to featured list status. Any criticism would be welcome if it improves the page. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 18:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments very good, a couple of queries, but nothing major. Question over notability of singles - if a single charts in the top 100 of Billboard, does that make it notable? If so, then we really should consider red-linking singles of this nature. Made a page for "In da Wind", and red-linked "Dirty South". I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC) You mentioned "and number 20 on the US Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart" for Shutterbugg but that chart isn't listed in the table. Removed it from the lead, to avoid confusion. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Also, it charted at number 13 in the UK R&B chart so why not mention that in the lead? Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Is N/A in the Guest appearances table really "Non album release", as you have in an earlier table? If so I'd be consistent. Which table? I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:34, 14 September 2012 (UTC) The Guest appearances table (as I said...) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:39, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Sorry - I meant which table did I put "Non album release" in (I'm not that stupid). I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:43, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Sorry, I meant "Non-album singles".... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:44, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Good point. In nearly every other discography I've used, seen or worked on, the n/a template has never been used in a singles table. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:49, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Allmusic ->AllMusic. As far as I can tell, all uses of AllMusic on this page have the M capitalized. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Check External links. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:39, 14 September 2012 (UTC) I tried to alter this, but it renders the template invalid - that's how it was designed. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:44, 14 September 2012 (UTC) You don't have to use the template. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:46, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Fine. Removed it. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:50, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 02:53, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support NapHit (talk) 16:31, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Holiday56 (talk) 04:53, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments References 10, 28 and 29: Hyphens should be changed to en dashes. Young Jeezy is linked twice in the promotional singles section. Special Ed should be linked in the guest appearances section. The Big Boi Discogs page doesn't show upon clicking the link. Should be fixed by changing this: {{Discogs artist | artist=Big+Boi | name=Big Boi}} To this: {{Discogs artist | artist=Big Boi | name=Big Boi}} Holiday56 (talk) 13:10, 2 November 2012 (UTC) All done. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support, as my comments have been addressed. Holiday56 (talk) 04:53, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support I made a few tweaks in the intro. Otherwise, everything looks good. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 20:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

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National Tourist Routes in Norway

Nominator(s): Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:30, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Norway is a trade-off between spectacular nature and bland food; this list unites transport with the former. I have taken half of the routes and can attest that they are truly breathtaking. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:30, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 22:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "tourist-friendly infrastructure" are you sure that represents a neutral point of view? That is the criteria they have used to select them, but I have rephrased the sentence somewhat to be specific about that it is the Road Administration which has stated this. Arsenikk (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "Eighteen" should be 18 per WP:NUM You mean WP:MOSNUM? It states "numbers greater than nine, if they are expressed in one or two words, may be rendered in numerals or in word" so this is just fine. Arsenikk (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "800 million" it should be obvious, but just in case, can you clarify what type of dollars that is? It says "800 million Norwegian krone". Arsenikk (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "by 2012" should be changed to "in 2012" instead The first were signposted before 2012, so it would be incorrect to state "in 2012". If you have a better way of formulating it without giving the impression they were all signposted this year, then I'll be open for a change. Arsenikk (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "List" personally, I'd say a better header could be used Hm, I have previously had complaints about the opposite, but I can change. Arsenikk (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC) I don't think the "Sign" image should be used, as it is in the template below, and distracts from readability of the list I was uncertain myself, so if we agree then it is best begone. Arsenikk (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Table doesn't meet WP:DTT, add table captions to ensure it does I seem to remember telling someone else just a few days ago that tables need captions.... ;) Arsenikk (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Alt text needs to be added to the images per MOS:IMAGES Added. Arsenikk (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC) There is a {{official website}} that is typically used for official websites, perhaps that can be used there instead? If not, "Official site" should be changed to "Official website" instead Don't think there is any requirement to use the template as all it does is produce the exact code I have written. I have changed to "official website". Can you add appropriate portals that relate to this subject in external links section, as it is the only place where it currently fits, using {{portal box}} or {{portal bar}} Don't know why I keep forgetting those. Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order Where do you have this from? The guidelines specifically state that categories do not need to be in a particular order, especially not alphabetical. Arsenikk (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 21:54, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the fast review. I have amendment the article or replied to all your concerns. Arsenikk (talk) 22:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support on all criteria, looks very nice, and solid, as always. Great work! TBrandley 22:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support An amazing piece of work. Good job Arsenikk. — ΛΧΣ21™ 02:38, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

• I hope to take a look soon. --Rschen7754 23:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Are there any secondary sources available? --Rschen7754 23:59, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
    • There were two and I added two more (one English-language). The main problem is that independent sources are approximate in their coverage; they do not include facts and instead focus on the "softer" sides of the issue. I have tried to source as much of the lead as possible from various news sources. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:30, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
      • Sounds good, more in depth review coming. --Rschen7754 18:48, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • First paragraph - two sentences start with "The routes".
    • Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
  • through which the roads run?
    • Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Second paragraph - "project" used in quick succession.
    • Fixed. Arsenikk ^(talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Next sentence - move "in 1997" to the front. --Rschen7754 01:05, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
    • Moved, but elsewhere in the sentence to avoid it starting with "in [year]". Thanks for the comments. Arsenikk ^(talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support issues addressed. --Rschen7754 19:11, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support all looks good Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

;Comments National Tourist Routes in Norway - Is this the official translation? The current wording is "National Tourist Routes in Norway ... is ...", which looks really weird. That is the official term, although I admit it is not a particularly eloquent. In general, anything within the public sector has an official translation which we as far as possible try to stick to on Wikipedia, even if a lot of them are rather long and awkward. I have rephrased the sentence so it's not quite as weird. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) The routes have been singled out based on their unique natural surroundings, because they serve as alternatives to main highways, and for availability of viewpoints and tourist services. - You just said they are "chosen for their picturesque scenery and featuring tourist-friendly infrastructure, such as rest stops and viewpoints.". This is feeling redundant. Removed the second sentence. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) The project started in 1994 with projects - Project ... projects Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) design to enhance the experience. - What kind of design? Everything has some design. Added aesthetic. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) Louise Bourgeois and Peter Zumthor - Opposed to "young Norwegians" how? Bougeois would be 98 and Zumthor is 69 and neither are Norwegian. Do you want this to be specified? To me it is obvious from the sentence that they contrast. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) It would be nice, yes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 27 October 2012 (UTC) including one of Mark Dion - The work was by him or shows him? Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) All routes were signposted and officially designated by 2012. - You just said six have been completed and signposted. Fixed. I wrote the article about a year ago, when that was the case, and forgot to remove it. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) More later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:21, 27 October 2012 (UTC) views 600 m (2,000 ft) down on the Aurlandsfjord. - What are views "down on" a fjord? Fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) enclasps to the fjordside - I don't get what "enclasp" is supposed to mean here. enclasps is the same as to cling; it was an attempt to avid repeating that word, but I agree that it didn't work out very well. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) crown island - What's this mean? Rephrased to a different meaning. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) endless ocean - That's waxing poetic. The ocean does end... don't think you need "endless" Good point. This is the first chance I had on WP at creating somewhat poetic descriptions, so I had to take my chance. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) I think that's it. Images look fine (one needed renaming, but I did that) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:30, 27 October 2012 (UTC) Thank you for the comments; all has been seen to. Arsenikk (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC) Looks good, except "selected highways designated" seems redundant. I'd nix the "selected" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:41, 27 October 2012 (UTC) Two remaining issued fixed. Arsenikk (talk) 09:57, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose and images. Solid list. Can't wait for your next one, List of bland Norwegian dishes — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments Lead image could be bigger and caption needs a full stop. I have set it to standard width (it is after all a portrait-aligned image), but a {{clear}} is then needed above the table for a combination of 300px- and wide screens for the image not to "steal" part of the table width. Arsenikk (talk) 18:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Could you translate the cost into something more universal e.g. US dollars or Euros or similar? Dollars, pounds or euros, at what exchange rate? I normally do not convert figures to other currencies because it is impossible to agree to a single currency, and it is impossible to determine a proper exchange rate. Arsenikk (talk) 18:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Pick one, and a year for approximate conversion. It's just because that could be equivalent to two pounds or two trillion pounds as far as I'm concerned (no disrespect to non-US $/non-Euro currency countries such as Norway, of course....!!) The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Looks like I didn't formulate myself quite as planned, as I actually did add a conversion, just wanted to make a big hassle about it ;) Arsenikk (talk) 18:16, 30 October 2012 (UTC) I loved your big hassle! And thanks for your edit! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2012 (UTC) "The stops are regarded as art projects that use design to enhance the experience" sounds a bit like an adverty quote to me... Rephrased, hopefully less adverty. Arsenikk (talk) 18:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Perhaps qualify Mark Dion with "American fine artist..." for context. Sure. Never heard of him myself. Arsenikk (talk) 18:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC) If these routes are notable, all routes should have articles or, at least, be redlinked to encourage the articles to be written. I have avoided redlinking the unnumbered county roads as they would only exceptionally be notable. The linked roads are ex-national roads and therefore notable (which explains why some are linked and others not). The Roads column doesn't sort numerically... Should now. Arsenikk (talk) 18:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Not sure you need the Category:Roads in Norway nor the Category:Tourist highways since they're both categories of Category:National Tourist Routes in Norway I presume? This is permitted according to Wikipedia:Categorization#Eponymous categories and in my opinion aids, rather than hinders, navigation (especially membership in Cat:Tourist highways). Arsenikk (talk) 18:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Okay, thanks for the link, I've been trying to find that for a while. Still not keen, but hey ho. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 13:43, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Thank you for the comments. All has been seen to. Arsenikk (talk) 18:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC) No worries, will collapse as soon as I think other folks have had time to take a look. Nice work. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 13:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments "1,850 kilometers (1,150 mi)" they should either both be abbreviated or spelt out in full This is not only the default setting in {{convert}}, but also the recommended way in the MOS. Arsenikk (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC) So it does, seems a little strange to me, but never mind. NapHit (talk) 13:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC) Another one in the second para How come some of the roads aren't linked in the table, yet they are in the template? The reason is that I honestly don't know if all of these roads are notable and that I was more liberal in the template than in the list. I have delinked the template (as I presume un-numbered highways are non-notable and they can always be re-linked should I be proven wrong). Arsenikk (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC) Images in the table could do with alt text Added. Arsenikk (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC) "and is dotted with fishing hamlets hiding between unsheltered" dotting and hiding are the most encylopeadic words, also sounds a bit adverts. Suggest changing the wording Changed. 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC) "infamous as a ship graveyard" infamous is a bit POV, would just have famous or "a noted ship graveyard" Changed, but this is as infamous as it gets. Arsenikk (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC) "The area is sprinkled with waterfalls..." again sprinkled is not encyclopaedic language Changed to "scattered", which I hope is better. "The area in unpopulated..." typo Changed. 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC) You have "A coastal alternative to E6..." and then "The coastal alternative to E6..." in the next cell. Using The suggests it is the only alternative when that appears not to be the case Changed to "a", but I don't think there is any other alternative coastal route (at least for that section of E6). Arsenikk (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC) "include Torghatten with a hole through it..." I would be a bit more descriptive here, what sort of hole? natural or man-made? Added natural. Arsenikk (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC) "preserve the an active cultural heritage..." Changed. Arsenikk (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC) "views of emerald green mountain lakes..." that reads like a travel brochure I think green would suffice Added meltwater green, as that is a proper description (and the unique color). Arsenikk (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 16:49, 31 October 2012 (UTC) Thank you for the comments, all has been seen to or explained. Arsenikk (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support - This is a well-structured, well-referenced list that meets all the criteria. Dough4872 20:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
• I think it should be possible to get a map. Nergaal (talk) 05:43, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Where do you propose that a map be found? Arsenikk ^(talk) 22:27, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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Grammy Award for Best Southern, Country or Bluegrass Gospel Album

Nominator(s): Albacore (talk) 20:20, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

This list is based on similar Grammy lists. As such, it meets FLC criteria. I removed the nationality column from the list so the nominees column could be in normal text. Most if not all of the winners would be American, so little would be gained from a nationality column, and besides, it wouldn't be referenced. I made the table width 100% because the table becomes very skinny on my viewing platform when it's aligned with the photos. Albacore (talk) 20:20, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Quick comment - Using Firefox on my PC, there's a huge formatting error concerning the pictures and the table. (You first see all the pictures in a vertical row, then the table). Not sure if it's doing that for anyone else. Ruby 2010/2013 22:28, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Should be good now. Albacore (talk) 02:35, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 03:01, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Also using Firefox, I too also see the "huge formatting error", that certainly needs addressed, by making the table width smaller Fixed. Avoid bold links per WP:CONTEXTLINK. To do this in tables, add plainrowheaders to the coding Added. Don't use ; semi-colon, as it is a WP:ACCESS concern. I would suggest using an actual sub-section header, or the for a different bold type, but the first one is preferable Fixed. TBrandley 02:03, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 03:01, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:56, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

*Infobox : awarded for "quality gospel music albums" what about southern, country, bluegrass here? Added links to each. Since each is a different style of gospel music the phrase "quality gospel music albums" in the lead is still true, without having to go into the lengthy detail, which is included in the infobox. Albacore (talk) 19:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC) In images where just one person or one major item is shown, I really don't think you need to add (pictured) to the caption. Removed. " ... to "tighten the number of categories" at ..." attribution of quotes suggests not only should you ref that, but you should say who said it. Fixed. "the most of any preformer." typo. Fixed. Same caption claims he's won the award six times but the lead says four, twice on on his own, twice with his wife. Four times, fixed. Did you say somewhere in the lead that the award could be presented to producers and engineers? Mentioned. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:33, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

• A lot of redlinked recipients, fear too many for this list to be useful for navigation to the winners.

I've moved the personnel to their own column. Are the redlinks OK now, or should I de-link them? Albacore (talk) 19:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Not sure you needed to move them, but they should be redlinked if you think they meet the notability guidelines of Wikipedia such that they could have their own article. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:56, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I've gone through and de-linked the non-notable personnel. Albacore (talk) 18:40, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments

• Three years later, the category's name was changed to the Best Southern Gospel, Country Gospel or Bluegrass Gospel Album, a name it held until 1998 when it became the Best Southern, Country or Bluegrass Gospel Album. Forgive my picky-ness, please, but I have issues with the grammar of this sentence. It's unclear what "...a name it held" refers to. How about: "Three years later, the category's name was changed to the Best Southern Gospel, Country Gospel or Bluegrass Gospel Album. The category's name was changed to Best Southern, Country or Bluegrass Gospel Album in 1998".

• The next sentence is also unclear; I recommend editing it and breaking it up into more than one sentence as well. How about: "After 2011, the category merged with the Grammy Award for Best Rock Gospel Album and the Grammy Award for Best Pop/Contemporary Gospel Album, forming the Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Christian Music Album. The NARAS made this change in order to "tighten the number of categories" at the Grammy Awards".
• I suggest the improvements for the third paragraph below.

• Remember not to refer to people by their first names in this encyclopedia. I think it's obvious that you're referring to Bill Gaither and not to Gloria.

• I suggest changing the number of Travis' and the Light Crust Doughboys' awards because you shouldn't ask your readers to do math while reading a list. ;)

• When you say "non-artist", what does that mean? The engineer? Please explain.

"Bill Gaither holds the record for winning the most awards in this category, with a total of four: two from his work in the Gaither Vocal Band, and another two as a duet with his wife Gloria. Randy Travis has won one less Grammy than Gaither in this category, with three. Gaither has the most nominations, with eleven; the Light Crust Doughboys trail him with eight nominations. Kyle Lehning holds the record for most wins as a non-artist, with a total of three. Nominated bands include Karen Peck and New River, who were selected in three of the final four years of the Grammy, and the Cathedral Quartet."

Fix the above picky details and I'll support. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:40, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Re-written to fix concerns. Albacore (talk) 18:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support--Tomcat (7) 19:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 13:59, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Comments "After 2011 it merged" shouldn't it be "it was merged"? "Bill Gaither holds the record for having the most wins in this category" -> Bill Gaither has the most wins in the category NapHit (talk) 23:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC) Re-written to address your concerns. Albacore (talk) 01:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

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Grade I listed buildings in Maidstone

Nominator(s): DavidCane (talk) 01:40, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

A list of all 43 of the Grade I listed buildings in the borough of Maidstone, Kent, including castles, country houses and churches. This was created last year and all entries are now linked to their own articles. This is a companion to the featured list List of scheduled monuments in Maidstone. The layout is based on similar featured lists of Grade I buildings such as Grade I listed buildings in North Somerset and Grade I listed buildings in Mendip. DavidCane (talk) 01:40, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments My initial thought is for you to have a look at Grade I listed churches in Merseyside, currently an FLC, but from the point of view that every entry has a really good description. I think in the case of this list, the description is probably even more important (after all, the other list is exclusively churches, this article lists all types of buildings)... No more than a few lines on each, perhaps expanding on the kind of thing you've included those comprehensive image captions? There are currently three types of featured list for listed buildings: a combined list covering all grades of listed buildings in an area (e.g. Listed buildings in Widnes), one for Grade I churches (e.g. Grade I listed churches in Greater Manchester) and one for all kinds of Grade I listed buildings in an area (e.g. Grade I listed buildings in Greater Manchester. The last of these types, which is the one I have followed, has the most examples (eight), compared to five of the combined lists and two of the churches lists. Whilst the styles of the types are different, they are consistent within each set, so I would prefer to keep the style of this list the same as those it is modelled on.--DavidCane (talk) 22:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC) Also, if possible, it would be nice to have an image column too, so each building (if possible) can be visualised. See above.--DavidCane (talk) 22:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC) "The Maidstone district covers ..." could just be "It covers..." or "The distict covers..." to help avoid the repeat of Maidstone. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC) " It has a population..." what is "it"? The town of Maidstone? The district? The district. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC) Should non religious be hyphenated? It should. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 08:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC) Reluctant oppose having just reviewed the Grade I listed buildings in Coventry list here at FLC, I find it more and more relevant to have a brief description of each building, per the two other types of lists you suggested (i.e. "Listed buildings... " and "Churches....") and for consistency, I've made this position known there as well as here. Sorry, but I think we could make these lists better (and more standalone) with some nice cited prose about each building, thus not relying on possible dubious sub-articles to provide our reader with a highlight of the information they might expect to see at Wikipedia's finest lists. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC) I could add a Description column if you really think that it is necessary, but I thought the idea was to provide links to the related articles where they exist to avoid this kind of repetition. The situation here is different than for, say, List of scheduled monuments in Maidstone. For most of the items in that list there was no real prospect of a separate article being created because there was so little information available. An example of the first couple of items is shown here. I can see a potential problem though: because 20 of the 43 buildings are churches, the text for these is going to be quite repetitive.--DavidCane (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC) I would prefer our featured material to not have to rely on the potentially dubious quality of the pages linked from it. I don't mind repetitive text if there's nothing unique about each church. I would like to see an image as well for each place, if possible? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:18, 5 October 2012 (UTC) I have now added a description column.--DavidCane (talk) 21:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support my concerns addressed nicely. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:50, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments

• The lead defines "Maidstone" and "listed building", but "Grade I", the third inclusion criteria, is not defined in the article.
  • Grade I is defined in the second paragraph as "buildings of exceptional interest". I haven't linked it because it would go to the already linked listed building.--DavidCane (talk) 21:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
• Column headers lack scope="col"
  • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 21:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
• In the references, I do not understand why "National Heritage List for England" and "Images of England" are in italics, as neither are works of a type that are put in italics. Any reason the latter is linked but not the former?
  • I have added a link in the {{NHLE}} template for the National Heritage List for England article. I don't think this existed when the template was created.
  • They are italicised as they are works of English Heritage - similar to the example for a web citation given in {{citation}} e.g. "NPS Focus", National Register of Historic Places, National Park Service, retrieved November 30, 2010. If this is wrong, I can change it for both.--DavidCane (talk) 21:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Otherwise in excellent shape. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:49, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

My apologies for letting the nomination slip under my radar. In retrospect I see that a description column has considerably enhanced the work.

• An image of each entry would make this list even more brilliant, bringing out the true potential in encyclopedic lists. As far as I can see, most entries have a high-quality image available.
  • Images exist for most of the buildings, which I could add, but we don't have a complete set so I have not included these to avoid leaving gaps. One building, Milgate House would be very difficult to get a picture of due to its location away from publicly assessable areas and its being surrounded by trees.--DavidCane (talk) 22:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
    • Images have now been added for those that have them.--DavidCane (talk) 23:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
• If I was composing this list, and especially if horizontal space is a concern, I would chose to include the coordinates in the "location" column. I will, however, leave this decision to the main contributor.
  • OK. I will do this.--DavidCane (talk) 22:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
    • Now done.--DavidCane (talk) 23:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:23, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments references are supposed to be placed after punctuation, currently ref 3 is not I have moved this to the end of the sentence. Not sure why it was out of place.--DavidCane (talk) 22:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC) Just a suggestion, don't need to implement it, but there is a lot of white space in the tables. Personally, I would remove the forced widths to solve the issue, but like I said its only a suggestion Personally, on a wide screen, I think it looks better for the table to fill the space up to the images on the right rather than have a big blank gap down the side of the table.--DavidCane (talk) 22:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 13:53, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 14:38, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Comments "Ref(s)" add period dot I don't think Ref.(s) works punctuation wise, so I have changed the column heading to "References(S)". --DavidCane (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC) Just a suggestion, but I would align references in the tables to the center Done.--DavidCane (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 06:16, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments. (For the record, I'm the nominator of Grade I listed buildings in Coventry, which has undergone substantial change while at FAC after comments from TRM) and others.) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:02, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• I agree with TRM that it would be nice to have an image of every building on this list where there is one available. We disagree over the best format for displaying them, but the consensus on the Coventry FLC was that they should be in a column in the table.
• I can also (now) see the benefit of having a description in the list—it makes the list much more interesting (from a reader's point of view) and it wan't as difficult as I thought it would be with Cov.
• Personally, I'd like to see the number of buildings at the very begginning. YMMV.
  • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 21:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
• In England, the authority for listing under the Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas) Act 1990 rests with English Heritage, a non-departmental public body sponsored by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport; local authorities have a responsibility to regulate and enforce the planning regulations. That's a very long sentence with a lot links. Could you split it up and perhaps reduce the number of links? Also, I'd be tempted to use a dash instead of that comma.
  • I have just carried this forward from the previous featured lists this was based on so I'm not precious about how it looks. I've chopped out the bit about the Department of Culture, etc.--DavidCane (talk) 21:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
• Would the last two paragraphs of the lead benefit from being merged?
  • OK. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 21:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
• Have you forced the column widths deliberately? I'd be tempted to narrow the "Reference(s)" column to better fit its contents. I used "Ref." with the Coventry list to keep the column narrow, but again, YMMV.
  • I changed this per one of the comments above which wanted a full stop added to "Ref(s)". "Ref.(s) did not look right and as I had more than one ref in a couple of the rows I spelled it out in full. I'm happy with "Ref." if others are.--DavidCane (talk) 21:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
• "Considered" is an opinion; if you use the word, you need to tell us whose opinion it is (or just remove the word).
  • Considered by English Heritage. I think the context is clear from the following sentences.--DavidCane (talk) 21:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Comment This list is coming along nicely, but I do have some comments (not all of which are requirements for a Support).

• I think it is incorrect to say that the authority for listing rests with English Heritage. According to the wording of the law, it rests with the Secretary of State: "... the Secretary of State shall compile lists of such buildings, or approve, with or without modifications, such lists compiled by the Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England (in this Act referred to as “the Commission”) or by other persons or bodies of persons, and may amend any list so compiled or approved". As I see it English Heritage, or indeed any person or body can make a recommendation, and it is up to the SoS to approve or reject it. Or have I mis-read it? The way I have worded it (and it has been accepted here) is as follows: "In England, buildings are given listed building status by the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, acting on the recommendation of English Heritage".
  • OK. I have changed it, though, in practice, it is rare for the Secretary of State to reject English Heritage's recommendation. When Jeremy Hunt rejected EH's recommendation to list a building in Broadgate last year, the decision received quite a lot of criticism.--DavidCane (talk) 22:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• I am also disappointed in the number of photographs — and these are Grade I listed buildings. Even Listed buildings in Runcorn (urban area), which includes all the grades, has a photo for each item. IMO six photos for 43  items is inadequate. And, as you will guess, I am a fan of a photo in the row, rather than in the column at the end (with the inevitable white space).
  • I'll add these - see comments above.--DavidCane (talk) 22:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Others disagree with me, but I prefer the refs to be at the end of the description, rather than in a separate (IMO unnecessary) column. As I see it, the refs apply to the whole row, not just to the description box.
  • The refs do apply to the whole row. If they were placed in the description box, I would have thought that would make it look more like they applied only to the description.--DavidCane (talk) 22:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• I note that your format was based initially on the North Somerset and Mendip lists, but these were promoted way back in 2009. My observation is that FLs have developed since then, and possibly become more demanding (they are after all "featured", not just "good") and ought to have something which adds a degree of value to a mere plain list.

--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

PS I agree that the coordinates would be better in the Location column; I would prefer them in a smaller font, as they are rather obtrusive at the current size; and IMO four decimal points is well adequate for buildings of this size (maybe five points for an object with a small base, such as an obelisk).

• See comment above. I will see what level of accuracy works best for each.--DavidCane (talk) 22:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
  • coordinates have been adjusted to use just 4 decimal places in most cases. The bridges needed a bit more accuracy because they are so narrow.--DavidCane (talk) 23:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Comment Vast improvement again. Just two more suggestions. I would prefer the Location to be the second column (adjacent to the Name column); it seems to make more sense there. And can we please have a (centred) m-dash in the empty cells (where there is no photograph). As I will be unavailable for further comment for over a week, if these are carried out, I give a Support. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:37, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

• I have done the em dashes, but we have conflicting requests regarding the appropriate location for the photo column. On lists where photos appear it does seem to be more common to have these in the second column.--DavidCane (talk) 19:47, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Comment/Support. Sorry for the short FA-review, but I don't normally do these. All issues raised by reviewers seem to have been addressed, even where they have not been collapsed, with the exception of Vardy's last comment. I'll take a slight exception to that comment, though. I think the images make the most sense if they remain in their current second column - if the columnes are changed, however, the images should be moved to the fourth - having them in the third (where they would end up if just the location column was moved) would look awkward, I think. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 22:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

*Comments File:Leeds Castle2.jpg could use a crop Personally, I like this one because it includes the swans, which is something the castle is known for. I have changed it for another with a slightly tighter focus on the buildings.--DavidCane (talk) 19:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC) File:Linton Park - geograph.org.uk - 48852.jpg could use a crop I have cropped it to narrow the focus on the house a bit more.--DavidCane (talk) 19:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC) File:Nettlestead Place - geograph.org.uk - 331642.jpg - The building is really outta focus. Are there any better shots? None that I have been able to find. It is not so bad at full size.--DavidCane (talk) 19:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC) Stephen de Penchester - Why the deviation from Stephen de Pencester? It is one of several alternatives including Pencester and Penshurst. I used "Penchester" because it is the spelling more commonly used in British History Online and the National Archives. The English Heritage reference has, uniquely, "Penctester", although this seems more likely to be a typo replacement of a "h" by a "t".--DavidCane (talk) 19:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC) I've given a copyedit, be sure to double check. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:42, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support on prose and images. Looks solid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

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The list was promoted by Giants2008 23:07, 2 November 2012 [14].

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List of songs recorded by Alexandra Burke

Nominator(s): AARON• ^TALK 16:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because... I worked hard on creating and formating the article. I also believe it follows in the same style of List of songs recorded by Rihanna and List of songs recorded by Leona Lewis which I have previously promoted to FL. The list is current and up to date is not likely to change until she releases her third album sometime in Summer 2013. AARON• ^TALK 16:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TSU

'Comments by TSU Can the image of Burke be reduced in size? At present, it is creating a big white-empty space which makes me feel a bit less comfortable. It can be made like it is at Rihana's page Reduced. AARON• TALK Armando Pérez, better known as Pitbull, - I really feel that only "Pitbull" should be included since the real name gets covered up in the first line of the article to which it is linked in the sentence Removed. AARON• TALK Simple edit: please add this up; Category:Alexandra Burke songs Added. AARON• TALK on which he is appears as a featured artist - a bit re-phrasing needed? Reworded. AARON• TALK Burke collaborated with an entirely new set of writers and producers, none of whom were involved with Overcome. - optional but a ref would be better The whole paragraph talks about the new writers, and the table shows that the writers are different. So it is sourced in a way lol. AARON• TALK I'm a bit busy these days but anyways, this is indeed one of the better lists I've seen. It'll have my support for sure. TheSpecialUser TSU 19:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC) Okay cool, thanks for commenting. AARON• TALK

• Support - Thanks for the ping Aaron. The article looks good enough to have the star. :) TheSpecialUser ^TSU 01:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Et3rnal 17:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Few things I've noticed while reading through: Lead Include the year that Heartbreak on Hold was released. Added. AARON• TALK "Burke co-wrote two songs on the album, → replace comma with colon. Replaced. AARON• TALK "Cutfather and Jason Gill co-wrote and produced three songs for the album, including Heartbreak on Hold's second single..." → "Cutfather and Jason Gill co-wrote and produced three songs for Heartbreak on Hold, including its second single...". Reworded. AARON• TALK Table For the field with "Unknown" replace with {{Unknown}}, as it looks better. Added. AARON• TALK Refs Ref 3: Un-italicise Digital Spy. Italicised. AARON• TALK Ref 2 & 4: You linked Alexandra Burke and Syco for both refs. Unlinked. AARON• TALK Ref 5 & 9: Un-italicise iTunes, and replace Great Britian with UK, as there isn't a Great Britian regional option in iTunes. Italicised. GB is actually in the URL. AARON• TALK Et3rnal 20:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Nice work! Et3rnal 17:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks. AARON• ^TALK 18:38, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Article looks good. I just have one comment about the lead. You forgot to add "and" after "Between the Sheets". — Oz (talk) 23:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

  Lol, done Oz :-). Thank you both. AARON• ^TALK

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:22, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "recorded material..." I think songs would better than material, seeing as that is what the list is about Changed. AARON• TALK "She has also collaborated with other artists for duets and featured songs on her albums, and for charity singles." sentence is hard to read, needs revising with less ands in it Changed. AARON• TALK "After winning" example of Noun+ing change to Burke signed a GB£1 million recording contract with Syco Music after she won The X Factor in December 2008 and then change the Burke in the adjoining part of the sentence to she to avoid repetition Changed. AARON• TALK "Burke began to work with writers for her debut album, Overcome, which was released in October 2009." needs a reference Referenced. AARON• TALK The first single, "Hallelujah", was released the day after she won The X Factor," day after she won The X Factor is not encyclopaedic language. Would prefer if you gave the exact date it was released. Also The first single is a bit ambiguous, specify it was the album's first single, whole sentence could do with a ref as well. Added a release date. I don't see how first single is ambiguous? There's nothing ambiguous about a first single, because, well, it is the first single. Lol. AARON• TALK I don't see any release date, the sentence is exactly the same. You need to state it was the first single from the album and remove day after X FActor final and give a specific date when it was released. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Sorry I added a reference but forgot to add release date. AARON• TALK "Moroccan-Swedish songwriter RedOne co-wrote and produced three songs for the album, including "The Silence", "Broken Heels" and "Dumb"." why do you use including in this sentence? you say they produced three songs and subsequently list the three, including does not need to be used as you list all the songs they wrote Removed. AARON• TALK "The re-release of Overcome in December 2010 included a collaboration with Cobra Starship on "What Happens on the Dancefloor" and with Laza Morgan on "Start Without You"." I would re-write this so its clearer that the re-release icluded material that was not on the previous release Added. AARON• TALK "Cutfather and Jason Gill co-wrote and produced three songs for Heartbreak on Hold, including "This Love Will Survive", "Between the Sheets" and the second single "Let It Go"." again no need to use including Removed. AARON• TALK How can liner notes from an album that was released in 2009, reference stuff from an album released a year later? even if it was a re-release Do you mean 2008? Because the re-release had a new booklet which had the credits for the new songs. AARON• TALK Now I'm referring to ref 4, which is the liner notes from Overcome released in 2009. How can liner notes from that album reference songs that were released on an album a year later? Surely you would need the liner notes from the re-release as the new songs won't be on the original. Songs from the re-release that are referenced by ref 4 are "Before the Rain" and "The Silence New Single Mix" Also our wikipedia article for Overcome gives different writers for "Before the Rain" which one is right? That highlights why we can't rely on other links for verification. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) I just said that I have used the liner notes from the re-release. So you want to write "re-release" in the reference I assume, which I'll do. The Overcome article is most probably wrong. Album articles I've found, as with Rihanna's and Leona's lists I've done, were wrong in their track listing. So this list is correct. AARON• TALK ref 1 the publication date is 31 May 2012 not 27 May 2012 and the author needs adding Done. AARON• TALK ref 3, I'm not convinced Digital spy is a reliable source, anything that can prove otherwise? What? Digital Spy is extremely reliable. You can't get much more reliable, it's the same as MTV News, Rap Up etc. AARON• TALK ref 5 the hyphen should be an en dash, likewise ref 9 Do what? AARON• TALK Instead of using a hyphen, you should use an en dash, see WP:DASH Done. AARON• TALK ref 5 also doesn't any info on who wrote the songs Why does it need to talk about who wrote them? The album was nowhere being released, it was a quote about what the album would be like. AARON• TALK This is now ref 7, which is used to reference a number of songs and doesn't provide the names of the writers for those songs. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Liner notes mean from the album booklet itself. It doesn't have to take the user to a URL with the writers. AARON• TALK When clicking n the a in ref 6 you do not get taken to the location of the ref, needs fixing A? It takes you to "featuring DJ Erick Morillo.[6]". Works fine for me. AARON• TALK Its ref 8, since you've added a few more refs. Ref 6 works fine, the A link on ref 8 does not. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Ref 8, A goes to the picture of Pitbull on the left, Ref 8, B goes to "All Night Long" Remix in the table. AARON• TALK ref 8 doesn't mention anything about Everybody Hurts being a charity record It cites the writers. The song is linked, so people can click on it, where it clearly says it's a charity single. AARON• TALK As I stated above, refs are needed as our articles do not always include the correct information. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Provided a source in the table for "Everybody Hurts" from Rolling Stone. AARON• TALK ref 9 doesn't give details of who wrote the song You have to search for the song on ASCAP now, that's just how it is. AARON• TALK This is now ref 11, no issue with the ASCAP refs they're fine, but the iTunes one does not gives the writers for Hero. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) iTunes doesn't give any writers? You have to search for "Hero" in ASCAP. Not really sure what your point is here? Lol. AARON• TALK How do we know that "The Silence New Single Mix" was a promotional release? no reference is stating that it was Says it on the article for the song. Alexandra says in the interview that she was releasing it as promotional single for the re-release of Overcome and for Christmas. AARON• TALK The list should be able to reference that by itself, not rely on other areas of wikipedia, which is actually against guidelines. So I think a reference stating it was a promotional release is needed. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC) I have sourced this in the lead. AARON• TALK NapHit (talk) 20:19, 18 October 2012 (UTC) ref 8 is used to reference five songs in the table. Yet the source does not provide details of who wrote the songs. I assume the liner notes for the album do, so I would use them to reference these songs not iTunes. Removed. AARON• TALK re 14 needs an author and publication date adding. Added. AARON• TALK NapHit (talk) 12:22, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comments

(Note some items may be repeated from above: sorry).

Lead

1. Wikilink Norwegian to [[Norwegians|Norwegian]].

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

2. Adjust piped links on Moroccan and Swedish to [[Moroccan people|Moroccan]] and [[Swedes|Swedish]] respectively.

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

3. Delink common terms (for this type of article) e.g. songwriter

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

4. "fiercier and sexier." > "fiercer and sexier". Spelling and formatting for British English.

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

   1. The way I understand British English, the quote ends then you have the full stop or comma. I've fixed this.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
5. wL iSHi to [[Eshraque "iSHi" Mughal|iSHi]].

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

6. Fix three songs for Heartbreak on Hold, including Since you list all three the 'including' is unnecessary.

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

7. I'd like a better word/phrase than 're-vocalled'. Is this a widely accepted verbification? Maybe try 'redone vocal'?

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

Photos

1. Delink American.

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

2. songwriter with his real name > songwriter under his legal name. Jim Jonsin is his professional 'real name'.

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

Tables

1. For cite album-notes template retain the albumlink= parameter rather than wikilink in the title. If a url can be found later this may disrupt the template.

   Not sure what you mean? AARON• ^TALK

   1. e.g. <ref name="OvercomeNotes">{{cite album-notes|title=[[Overcome (Alexandra Burke album)|Overcome]] (Re-release, 2010)|artist=[[Alexandra Burke]]|year=2009|format=liner notes|publisher=[[Syco Music|Syco]]|publisherid=B001NIIUS2}}</ref> > <ref name="OvercomeNotes">{{cite album-notes|title=Overcome </i>(Re-release, 2010)<i>|albumlink=Overcome (Alexandra Burke album)|artist=[[Alexandra Burke]]|type=liner notes|year=2009|publisher=[[Syco Music|Syco]]|publisherid=B001NIIUS2}}</ref> Note, in this case, (Re-release, 2010) is not in italics: it's not part of the album's title.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
      1. Done. AARON• ^TALK
      2. I stuffed up on the albumlink and fixed it myself.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
         1. Sorry if I did it wrong. AARON• ^TALK
2. Where are songwriters for "Beating Still"? The album's article gives: Carl Ryden, [[Cozi Costi]], [[Nina Woodford]]; ASCAP gives two hits for 'Beating Still' with one by an exercise franchise and the other by Ryden et al. If there is some dispute over authorship then a note to explain is required. APRA has COSTI C/WOODFORD N/RYDEN C with performer as ALEXANDRA BURKE, if using the latter ref try <ref name="APRABeating">{{cite web | publisher = [[Australasian Performing Right Association]] (APRA) | title = 'Beating Still' at APRA search engine | url = http://www.apra-amcos.com.au/worksearch.axd?q=Beating%20Still | accessdate = 19 October 2012 }}</ref>. Likewise for "Devil in Me" APRA gives MARTIN P/CHRISTOPHER B. To adjust the ref fix title, then go to end of url and after q= type in song's title with %20 in place of spaces. This verfies the album's article, which has [[Bryn Christopher]], Pete Martin as the writers.

1. Ah okay thanks. I didn't know this website existed. AARON• ^TALK

1. It has some limitations: output only gives first initial or sometimes only last name, unless solo writer. However, being in AU I use it a fair bit.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
   1. You didn't change the second APRA ref correctly: I've done so for you. While there, why is "Beating Still" entered twice?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
      1. Sorry :-/. I forgot to remove the second Beating Still. AARON• ^TALK

1. For E.iSHi. Mughal give full name and wikilink (see above, but not piped).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

   Done. AARON• ^TALK

• Support shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)Fixed signature.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:31, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks. AARON• ^TALK 16:43, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

• For Digital Spy's publisher it is given Hachette Filipacchi Médias, Hachette sold Digital Spy to Hearst Magazines UK. See article on Digital Spy itself: "On 1 August 2011, ownership of Hachette UK was sold to Hearst Magazines UK." Only fault I see great work. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 17:57, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

  Done. AARON• ^TALK

  Well then I Support. Great work. AdabowtheSecond (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

  Thanks :-) AARON• ^TALK 00:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 22:45, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Could you come up with a more interesting caption, rather than "Alexandra Burke in October 2011.", like "Alexandra Burke is ...", etc. Not when I don't know where she is, what she is doing, or why she is where she is. I think TBrandley means you should add something notable/interesting about Burke to the image caption, like "Alexandra Burke has had __ singles..." Also, the image is pretty tiny. Why have it be smaller than Pixie Lott's image, considering that Burke is the subject of the article? Ruby 2010/2013 16:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "After she won The X Factor" can you clarify what "X Factor" country series you are talking about The UK version, The X Factor, is the original version and format. We only state which version, like U.S., if it is not the UK version. AARON• TALK Actually, there is no guideline that says that, but whatever. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "GB£1" I that is UK pounds, but can that be clarify somewhere Like?! Lol. GB is Great Britain. I don't really see the point of this to be honest. AARON• TALK I don't see how you say "After she won The X Factor in December 2008", then further down you say "after she won The X Factor on 14 December 2008" that's very repetitive, and only needs to be stated once I have rewritten the latter. AARON• TALK "Its second single" shouldn't that be "the album's", that would be better, IMO? Changed. AARON• TALK I don't see why you can't say the exact date, rather than the month, then year in this list Because this isn't a list of specific release dates. AARON• TALK I meant in the lede. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Done. AARON• TALK 11:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "featured artist on the former" in the former? Huh, I don't really understand that. That Ne-Yo appeared as a featured artist on the former: "Good Night Good Morning". It's pretty clear. AARON• TALK "British singer-songwriter Pixie Lott co-wrote the song "You Broke My Heart".[4] Moroccan-Swedish songwriter RedOne co-wrote and produced three songs for the album, "The Silence", "Broken Heels" and "Dumb". two sentences that are very simlar can be merged, saying "British singer-songwriter Pixie Lott co-wrote the song "You Broke My Heart", whereas Moroccan-Swedish songwriter RedOne co-wrote and produced three songs for the album, "The Silence", "Broken Heels" and "Dumb". Okay, but "whereas" is definitely not the right choice of word. AARON• TALK Yes, well, "while" is good, okay. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) In the very above issues' sentences, you use similar words, "co-wrote the song [...] produced for the album], can this be changed up for some? To what? There's only one way of saying that people co-wrote a song, and that's co-wrote. AARON• TALK I mean the words being changed around somehow, or something. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) "She began to work with writers" well, of course, I don't think that's necessary, or needed I don't see an issue with it. AARON• TALK Fair enough. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Don't use words like "currently", as per WP:RELTIME Removed. AARON• TALK Could you now add "As of ..., " instead? TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Added. AARON• TALK 11:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Don't use "#" per WP:POUND, that, even though it is an image, should be replaced by something else I'm not referring to numbers or rankings, so it's fine, actually. AARON• TALK It just didn't seem right. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) The yellow background is too bright and doesn't seem to meet WP:COLOR, can the color be changed, for WP:ACCESS Where does it say that yellow specifically doesn't meet WP:COLOR? Because I can't see anything. AARON• TALK It doesn't really meet WP:ACCESS or WP:COLOR, Color says "Articles that use color should keep accessibility in mind", and see the below listed, "Some readers of Wikipedia are partially or fully color blind. Ensure the contrast of the text with its background reaches at least WCAG 2.0's AA level, and AAA level when feasible.", etc. Please see. TBrandley 17:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) I still don't see how this relates to yellow specifically. I've seen yellow used in other lists. I think this is more of a personal opinion rather than a FL criteria guideline. AARON• TALK 11:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Don't overlink in the table, see WP:OVERLINK It's not overlink. As the table is sortable, they need to be linked, otherwise the combinations of the sort will not show the first one as linked. AARON• TALK Why do some references use {{cite web}} and others don't. Be consistent. Because some are web, and some are news. AARON• TALK A note on this {{cite news}} should be used for online references from a news agency, {{cite web}} is not a ubiquitous method for all online references. NapHit (talk) 22:11, 21 October 2012 (UTC) Why do some references have publishers, and others don't. Be consistent. I am being consistent. All of them have the publisher parameter filled. AARON• TALK No, I mean, why do some have work and publisher, while some only have publisher. See ref. 2, it only has "HMV Group", whereas iTunes has Apple, also. Because HMV publish their own website. ASCAP publish their own website. Apple owns iTunes, and publishes the content of iTunes. AARON• TALK 11:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order Done. AARON• TALK TBrandley 17:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 14:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose very poor on the lead. Captions which aren't complete sentences should not have a full stop (e.g. the lead image, please check all others). Removed. AARON• TALK If you could find a "landscape" image of Burke which you could then make larger, e.g. 300px, that would be better than the current very small lead image. The picture is the same height as the two paragraphs, the picture doesn't need to be that much bigger. AARON• TALK Yes, what I'm saying is a landscape-formatted image would therefore provide a bigger image of her face (and less of the dress). Never mind. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC) "has also" followed by "has also" two sentences running is poor prose. Removed the former. AARON• TALK Similarly "was released" followed by "was released" in the following sentence is poor and repetitive prose. Changed the latter. AARON• TALK Out of order, you note the first album (2009) before the first single (2008), reads odd. Changed it to be before. AARON• TALK "was released in October 2009" repeated twice in three sentences is poor prose. Changed the latter. AARON• TALK "on the former.[4] He wrote the former two" repetitive. And "the former two"? You might as well just say he wrote the collaborations... Reworded. AARON• TALK "He wrote the former two in collaboration with Norwegian production team Stargate, and the latter" hang on, you only mentioned two songs. Reworded. Is everyone a "singer-songwriter"? Repeated throughout.... Yes. And I only say it three time for three different singer-songwriters. AARON• TALK "while Moroccan-Swedish songwriter" don't think you need to link those. "a re-sung version" is that actually an English word re-sung?! Look above, re-vocalled wasn't approved of. And yeah of course it's an English word. Have changed both anyway. AARON• TALK "Burke co-wrote two songs" just "She co-wrote..." Changed. AARON• TALK "with an entirely new set " no need for "entirely". Removed. AARON• TALK "none of whom were involved with Overcome" redundant if the set of producers were "new". Not really, because only saying "new" could imply a new set of writers, as well as ones she had worked with before. AARON• TALK "co-wrote" is mentioned eight times in the lead, it's very repetitive. Can you find a different way of expressing the same idea to mix it up a bit? I have changed some of them. AARON• TALK I think Award-winning should be hyphenated. If it was just award-winning, then yes. But is says Grammy Award winning, the name of the award is Grammy Award. AARON• TALK You say Syco Music in the lead but just Syco in the refs. Added Music to the refs. AARON• TALK 11:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 15:05, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Looks good, made a few copyediting changes here. Here are some further comments:

• It might be worth specifying which series of The X Factor Burke won.

  Added. AARON• ^TALK

• Probably no need to link to nationalities (i.e. Norwegian, Moroccan, Swedish), per WP:OVERLINK.

  Someone said above to link them, but I agree, they shouldn't. AARON• ^TALK

• You say "British singer-songwriter Pixie Lott", but "The British singer-songwriter Alexandra Burke". Personally, I'd like to see some consistency.

  Removed "the" AARON• ^TALK

• The links in the contents box that don't lead anywhere (i.e. C, J, K, M, Q, R, U, Z) can probably be removed.

  Removed. AARON• ^TALK

• "The Silence" needs to sort under S.

  Done. AARON• ^TALK

• Is there any reason why James Ryan is credited on the no rap version of "Bad Boys", but not the regular version?

  Because he most probably wrote the bridge which is not present on the rap version, which is replaced by Flo Rida's rap. AARON• ^TALK 12:04, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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List of Indian Premier League five-wicket hauls

Nominator(s): ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 09:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe that it meets the criteria. We have tons of FL regarding individual fifers, we recently promoted a FL about stadium fifers, but this one will be the first FL about tournament fifers. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 09:53, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Revolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:57, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "the only franchises that have not had a player take a five-wicket haul for them are Pune Warriors India and Kochi Tuskers Kerala." -> Pune Warriors and Kochi Tuskers Kerala are the only franchises, from which a player has not taken a five-wicket haul done But kept it "Pune Warriors India" only. "The first five-wicket haul in the IPL was scored" scored is not the best here and don't to mention IPL as its obvious its referring to IPL as that is what the list is about. I would re-jig the sentence so it reads like this: The first five-wicket haul was taken by Sohail Tanvir of the Rajasthan Royals against the Chennai Super Kings on 4 May 2008 done "Tanvir took six wickets giving away fourteen runs..." -> Tanvir took six wickets for fourteen runs done The most recent five-wicket haul was taken by Sunil Narine of Kolkata Knight Riders while playing against the Kings XI Punjab at Kolkata on 15 April 2012." need to add the before Kolkata Knight Riders as well  Done provide a link for economy rate to help those unfamiliar with cricket terminology done "who claimed five wicket" wicket should be wickets done "None of the bowlers have taken two five-wicket hauls." -> No bowler has taken two-five wicket-hauls done "Two five wicket hauls have been taken in Feroz Shah Kotla and Punjab Cricket Association Stadium each" -> Two five-wicket hauls have been taken at the Feroz Shah Kotla Ground and Punjab Cricket Association stadium. Also the Feroz link goes to an archaeological monument not a ground done "49 four-wicket hauls have been taken in the competition, and thirteen of them were taken in less than 4 overs." -> 49 four-wicket hauls have been taken in the competition, 13 of which were taken in less than 4 overs. done NapHit (talk) 21:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 16:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "This is regarded as a notable achievement" by who? By everyone. It is a notable thing and guys often record this in statistics. "are the only franchises from which a player has not taken a five-wicket haul" I don't understand that  Done Changed "from" to "for" The key table doesn't meet MOS:ACCESS, add scope cols and rows to ensure it does  Done That same table doesn't meet MOS:BOLD, add plainrowheaders to the table's coding to fix the concern  Done In notes, why are the letters written differently I have selected the lower-greek option. They are visible in all browsers (except IE6 or below) I think you can removed the mobile link to the website, in external links, as the reader can get there from that website, etc., as per WP:ELNO That is an attribute of Template:Official website. I think its fine to have it. Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order  Done TBrandley 23:01, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 16:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:29, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Would use encyclopedic language in Kumble's caption (i.e. "five-wicket haul" in preference to "fifer").  Done Particularly since the caption is an almost verbatim copy of the lead!  Done "None of the bowlers..." perhaps "No bowlers have taken a five-wicket haul in the IPL."?  Done "49 four-wicket hauls have..." don't start sentences with a number.  Done "taken in less than 4 overs" fewer than four.  Done Morne Morkel has a diacritic.  Done I would have thought Kumble's average (of 1.00 for five wickets!) is far more notable than an economy of 1.57 runs per over. This fifer is know more for being the most economical one rather than being the best average one. Really? I think a five-wicket haul with an average of 1.00 is absolutely astonishing. Perhaps you could include both facts? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)  Done In refs, you sometimes link Cricinfo, and you sometimes don't. Be consistent.  Done Ext link, no need for Mobile to be capitalised. The link is generated from Template:Official website, which is fully protected. I have requested the edit here. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 15:13, 22 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 14:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Revolved comments from Zia Khan 04:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

;Comments– its first edition in 2008.[7] → link it to 2008 season  Done for consistency use either fifer, five-for or five-wicket haul, try to avoid using the 3  Done Link Kings XI Punjab at first usage  Done "No bowlers have taken a five-wicket haul in the IPL.[1]" what does this means? I really can't understand this.  Done "None of the bowlers has taken two five-wicket haul in the IPL." → s after haul  Done "Kings XI Punjab have had the highest number of five-wicket hauls, with three.[12]" → perhaps "against them" before comma  Done Ref# 7 and 11 need publishers/authors  Done. There are no authors for any of them. They are by agencies. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 06:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC) For consistency link ESPNcricinfo and NDTV India  Done However ESPNcricinfo is already linked at its first usage (in the caption) Applies on each section separately. Zia Khan 12:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC)  Done Remove text at the end of the template Which template? Template:Indian Premier League? This is a duplicate of the last one. Ignore. Zia Khan 12:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "uniyal" at the end of the list???  Done Vandals..... ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 06:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Zia Khan 22:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support— Meets the standards. Zia Khan 04:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support I made these edits to fix a grammatical error and move the column sort instructions to a more appropriate place (above the columns) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of international cricket centuries by Saeed Anwar

Nominator(s): Zia Khan 23:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

One of the best opener in the history of cricket and a recognizable figure in Pakistan cricket, Saaed Anwar played several memorable innings during his career. This list includes his Test and ODI centuries and I believe that the list is according to the FL criteria. As always, comments, suggestions and questions will be appreciated. Zia Khan 23:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 23:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Any image for the lede? No free image at Commons, sorry. "His highest score of 194, the highest ODI score by a Pakistan batsman" same words, perhaps change it up Changed. "Ref" missing dot at the end of it Ref doesn't need dot, see similar list. Just a suggestion, but you should align references to the center in the tables The whole content in the table is aligned to the left. For consistency Ref should be as it is. Ref. 5: Don't "shout" in reference titles Done. Ref. 41: Publisher is missing Done. Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order Done. TBrandley 02:51, 10 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks for the review. Zia Khan 05:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 23:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "Anwar played 55 Test matches for Pakistan and made 4,052 runs. In 247 ODI matches, he scored 8,824 runs." not keen on two such short choppy sentences. Can you merge? Merged the sentences into a single one. "predisposition to front-foot play" not really sure what relevance this has to the 100s list. A non-expert may not even understand what this means, could even be a bad thing! Removed. "Pakistan.[11][12]As of October " space before "As..." Done. "ninth" actually ninth equal with Asif Iqbal. Corrected. "against the West Indies at the the WACA Ground, Perth,[14]" could include that it was in the World Series to explain why it wasn't a World Cup match and wasn't in either Pakistan or the West Indies...? Added 1988–89 Benson & Hedges World Series. "at Sharjah Cricket Association Stadium, he" -> "at the Sharjah..." Done. "Kingsmead cricket ground, Durban" cricket ground -> Cricket Ground. Fixed. Check ref 10 for WP:DASH, there may be others... Done. Zia Khan 23:03, 11 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 13:11, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 22:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "Saeed Anwar is a retired Pakistani cricketer, and a former captain of the Pakistan national cricket team." sentence could be worded better, perhaps "Saaed Anwar is a former cricketer and captain of the Pakistan national cricket team." Done. "In 1997, when he was named as one of the Wisden Cricketers of the Year, the cricket almanack Wisden noted his "rapid run-scoring". not keen on sentences starting "In..." there is another one that starts like that too, so would change both Done. "Anwar made his Test debut against the West Indies in a match in which he got a pair..." think you could do with explaining what a pair is for those who are not familiar with cricket I think this is not necessary because I've already linked this to the main article. It is necessary because this list caters to a global audience. Therefore, as this is supposed to be our best work, they should be able to read it, without wondering what something meant. Keep the wikilink, but instead of having pair as the link, pipe it to the explanation of the term. NapHit (talk) 13:35, 13 October 2012 (UTC) Added. Zia Khan 22:11, 13 October 2012 (UTC) "He scored his ODI centuries against six..." would mention how many centuries he got for context Done. Not massively keen on the tables being in the centre of the page, not sure there is any benefit to this I've widened the tables, most of my list are in this format and I'd like to continue this. Zia Khan 22:37, 12 October 2012 (UTC) There is no benefit to having them centrally aligned, and they are jarring to look at so I would remove this coding. NapHit (talk) 13:35, 13 October 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 16:10, 13 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 20:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Why not add the years he served as the captain? This is unecesary. 100 or more runs >> 100 or more runs in a single innings Done. 55 Test and 247 ODI matches >> 55 Tests and 247 ODIs Done, there is no difference in these sentences. ODI century-maker >> ODI century-scorer. This is used in the similar lists and I think this is more suitable. Zia Khan 17:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 17:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 10:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from —Vensatry (Ping me) 20:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments There are images available at Flickr. You could make a request to the author to release the file under a free license. Although not required now, it might be helpful in future I've already told you that I can't do this, in fact I don't understand how to make a request or upload images from other cites. I'll appeciate if you or anyone want to do this. Zia Khan 15:21, 20 October 2012 (UTC) I said it's not required now. Go through WP:REQFREE on how to make a request —Vensatry (Ping me) 12:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Everytime I upload an image from other sources is deleted from the commons, so I think I can't do this. Zia Khan 22:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Means you've still not understood anything about our copyright policies —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Exactly and don't want to repeat the same mistakes. Zia Khan 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) The Sharjah Cricket Association Stadium image doesn't look like a panoramic view to me Alt text changed. Described by the BBC in 2003; year is really not needed unless it holds some significance Removed. ref #5 is not working. Remove the forward slash before ".html" in the URL Removed. "feat" in Foot notes repetitive Fixed. When sorting the "score" column by descending order, 104 off 115 balls should sort before 104 off 128 balls. Likewise 103 (126) should sort before 103 (144) Fixed. The 104 still doesn't sort correctly —Vensatry (Ping me) 12:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Not at all! 104* is better than 104 as you stated below (194* and 194). Zia Khan 22:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC) I'm talking about 104 (128) and 104 (115) —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "Balls" and "S/R" column collectively are not required in Test centuries table Removed, personaly I think there should be no problem if one want to have these columns. None of the century lists created/nominated by others use both in the Test tables. Only lists created by you follow this pattern. —Vensatry (Ping me) 12:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC) His Test centuries were scored against seven different opponents sounds better than his ODI centuries scored against six different countries. Added. A mention of the tournament citing Anwar's 188* could be made as it was considered a tournament of high profile Done. His 194 was a 13 year-old record breaking score that in turn lasted for almost 12 years. A mention of this should be made at least in the FNs. A note has been added. Zia Khan 15:21, 20 October 2012 (UTC) —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:17, 20 October 2012 (UTC) Further comments "Wellington, in 1994" comma shouldn't be there since the text following the comma is dependent on the preceding part When I say "Wellington, in 1994" corrections should be made for similar sentences —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 07:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC) "Sharjah Cricket Association Stadium, in 1993" needs to be fixed —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:33, 27 October 2012 (UTC) I've fixed this according to your suggestion, although there was no problem with this sentence. Zia Khan 05:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Ummm, you ought to understand the usage of commas, dashes and semi-colons —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:42, 28 October 2012 (UTC) I understand them sufficiently. Zia Khan 15:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Then you shouldn't commit the same mistakes repeatedly —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC) There is no mistake. I think Gaint2008 is dealing with grammar, he didn't mention that. Zia Khan 17:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC) There are chances where reviewers might have missed a few glitches. That doesn't make everything right —Vensatry (Ping me) 03:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Little chance to miss that when 3 to 4 English-speakers are reviewing. Zia Khan 04:14, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Surprised that none of the English speakers pointed out sentences like "Anwar shared Man of the Match" and ""record for the most runs" —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC) I don't warrant that I'll catch every issue in an article or list while reviewing it, and I don't think any of the other FAC/FLC reviewers do either. We all do the best that we can, and collectively we usually do a pretty good job. However, I often find fresh issues after several editors have reviewed something, and people find issues with work that I've reviewed. This is normal and shows that we all look for different things. Oh, and I'm not FLC's official grammar guy; there are plenty of people better than myself at spotting issues. Let's focus on fixing the issues pointed out; it looks like at least the Man of the Match one has been taken care of already. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:54, 29 October 2012 (UTC) I'm not complaining about anybody. I was just trying to explain Sahara4u, that reviewers (include myslef) miss a few issues —Vensatry (Ping me) 20:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Link Anwar in the image "Anwar shared Man of the Match" -> Anwar shared the Man of the Match "record for the most runs" -> record for the most runs There is a formatting error in ref #2 (General ref) "The record was equalled by Charles Coventry" -> score was equalled by Charles Coventry, since 194* is statistically better Dates and publisher missing in Ref #19 The publisher of the newspaper is "Pakistan Herald Publications Limited (PHPL)" —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:21, 24 October 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC) His score of 194 runs, the highest by a Pakistan batsman, was made against India at the M.A. Chidambaram Stadium, Chennai, in 1997.[17][18][19][N 3]. Refs cluttered. No need for three references conveying the same fact 10 cricket grounds -> Ten cricket grounds. Being a comparative figure this should be made consistent —Vensatry (Ping me) 12:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Fixed all! Zia Khan 22:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Additional comment "He scored three consecutive centuries", "His score of 194 runs", "He scored all of his twenty ODI centuries" and "As of October 2012, he is the leading". There is too much usage of the pronoun he in all the above mentioned sentences that explain his ODI career. Consider re-writing them. —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:33, 27 October 2012 (UTC) Done. Zia Khan 20:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC) "and shares sixth position with Chris Gayle overall among all-time ODI century-makers"; This needs a small c/e —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:42, 28 October 2012 (UTC) What do you want here? Zia Khan 15:09, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Copy-edit needed —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:03, 28 October 2012 (UTC) I understand c/e, what type of copy-edit you want from me? Zia Khan 17:39, 28 October 2012 (UTC) "Overall among all-time" looks weak to me —Vensatry (Ping me) 03:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Then, what should that be? Zia Khan 04:14, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Dunno why you're not keen in adding the "Test" column in the table —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC) This is not necessary, I've already this in the references. Zia Khan 15:09, 28 October 2012 (UTC) I strongly feel that's necessary since this is considered to be the best of our work and similar lists have that. One cannot go and check the individual refs each time to know which test it is —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:03, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Done! Don't know why are you strongly feel this because this is not very important. Zia Khan 22:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC) I'm emphasizing more on that since that column finds a place in every other list apart from the ones created by you —Vensatry (Ping me) 03:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC) None of the reviewer felt so strongly about the column in those lists. See their comments there, also. Zia Khan 04:14, 29 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit suggested that recently while I was working with the Lillee Hayden list and since every other list uses this should also comply with them —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Just to note I didn't suggest adding the column as it was already there, but I do think it is useful. NapHit (talk) 14:09, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Usually we don't have this column in fifers' list. I know that you didn't and the only reason I've added this is because this is useful. I don't know what Vensatry wants? Zia Khan 15:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC) First of all this isn't a fifer list. We are dealing with centuries list. I can see that column in every list–Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Lara, Viv Richards, Strauss, Trescothick. Only lists created by Sahara4u doesn't include that column —Vensatry (Ping me) 20:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Things may be changed since those FLCs. Zia Khan 22:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC) "in a ODI innings" ->in an ODI innings —Vensatry (Ping me) 04:00, 29 October 2012 (UTC) This should be read as "a One Day International" since I've already explained this in the first para. If you have more concerns summarize them together, please. Zia Khan 04:28, 29 October 2012 (UTC) "a ODI" is grammatically wrong —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC) We can use both "a ODI" and "an ODI". For your satisfaction I'm changing it. Cheers Zia Khan 15:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC) It depends on the way you pronounce it. One can say "a One day Intn'l" but I don't think "a ODI" is correct —Vensatry (Ping me) 20:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC) That's exactly what I was tryinng to say. Zia Khan 22:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Finally! —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 20:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 03:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments – "His highest score of score of 188 not out came against India...". "score of" is improperly repeated. "In the same innings, he became third Pakistani opening batsman...". "the" should be added before "third". Key: In the Date column, remove "the" before "date" in the note. Note 3: Richards's shouldn't have the last s. Also, "nearly" and "for" should be flipped in order. "boken" is a typo. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:19, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Fixed all! Zia Khan 22:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Fugees discography

Nominator(s): I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because having extensively redeveloped the tables and prose, I feel it may be ready for featured list status. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Looks good. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 09:01, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments I wouldn't have put Lauryn Hill down predominantly as a rapper, she's more of a singer. Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 15:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC) "at the time of its release" you just mentioned release in the previous sentence, not sure you need to repeat it here. Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 15:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC) "however, it later peaked at number 122 on the UK Albums Chart in 1997" don't need "later". Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 15:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC) "sextuple platinum" reads a little odd to me, six-times platinum seems more common. Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 15:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC) "[14][6][15][16]" numerical order is preferable. Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 15:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC) What does N/A mean for other performers? If none, surely "None" is better? According to its article, the term n/a can also mean "no answer". In this case, it means that there are no other performing artists for the song in question, not that the information is "not available", as the term is usually used to indicate. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 15:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC) Well presumably "None" is a better word then? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:01, 11 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 09:09, 10 October 2012 (UTC) Fair enough. Changing to "none". I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support meets the criteria NapHit (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 23:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Comment Remove at least one external link per WP:ELNO, a little too many right now Excuse me if I'm just being blind, but there doesn't appear to be anything in WP:ELNO about the number of external links allowed. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 18:52, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 23:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Article looking ready to be promoted. Prose, tables and references well-organized and constructed. Holiday56 (talk) 15:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

• Quick comment – In refs 23 (twice) and 30, the titles have improper hyphens that should be formatted as en dashes instead. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

• Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 19:07, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

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Coldplay discography

Nominator(s): Holiday56 (talk) 05:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because having performed much work on the article, I feel it may be ready to be promoted to featured list status. Holiday56 (talk) 05:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 14:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments' "making them one of the..." example of WP:NOUNING change to "which makes them on of the Done. Holiday56 (talk) 12:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC) Although most people are aware UK is an acronym of United Kingdom, I would still provide the acronym after the first use of United Kingdom, in the off chance someone is unaware of this Done. Holiday56 (talk) 12:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC) "the US." -> United States Done. Holiday56 (talk) 12:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC) "huge commercial success" that is perhaps POV even though you reference it, if the refs actually state that then I would quote it Removed "huge". Would that be acceptable enough? Holiday56 (talk) 12:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 12:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:33, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "in multiple other countries" don't think you need multiple since you say "countries" and multiple just means more than one... Do you mean "many"? Changed to "many". Holiday56 (talk) 13:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC) "best-selling " or "best selling"? Consistency. Made consistent. Holiday56 (talk) 13:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC) zobbel.de says "Hurts Like Heaven" was released in 2011.... zobbel.de does not show the release year, but rather the year the song charted. "Hurts Like Heaven" charted in 2011 following the release of the album, before it was released as a single. Holiday56 (talk) 13:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC) But the table lists it as a 2012 release/chart... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 8 October 2012 (UTC) In the discography singles table, "Year" represents the year the single was released (which I guess is made clear by the table caption). It just so happens that "Hurts Like Heaven" charted ahead of its single release date. Holiday56 (talk) 14:24, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Okay, now I am confused. Could you explain how that would work? Also, could you explain how I get 45 for its Dutch chart placing from ref 14? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:29, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Clicking on the Dutch singles chart reference gives a link to songs that have charted. Selecting "Hurts Like Heaven" will lead you to a page that shows a graph containing the song's chart trajectory – including its peak. It charted on the Dutch Tipparade, which acts as an extension to the main Dutch Top 40. I looked at the graph, I couldn't make anything out of it.... It had numbers on both axes but nothing relating to 45 in Holland at some defined date... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Scroll over the final point on the first graph. It should read: "Tipparade positie in week 40 van 2012: 4". I've changed to peak to 44 in the discography. Holiday56 (talk) 08:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC) Well shouldn't it be 4, not 44? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:55, 10 October 2012 (UTC) It's number 4 on the Tipparade, which acts as an extension to the Dutch Top 40. I've noted this in the article. Holiday56 (talk) 09:51, 10 October 2012 (UTC) I assume you're inquiring about how "Hurts Like Heaven" charted before being released as a single – it originally entered the chart as a result of digital downloads of the song following the release of its parent album in 2011 – both singles and non-singles are allowed to enter the UK Singles Chart. For a while, it was placed under the "Other charted songs" section. When it was finally released as a single in 2012, it was moved up to the singles section. I hope I've explained this all well enough – my sincere apologies if this is becoming complicating. Holiday56 (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2012 (UTC) If it was "released" as a digital download, surely that's the release date? Or are release dates "physical" only? If so, that should be noted. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:26, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Digital retailers allow individual tracks from an album to be downloaded (Coldplay's Mylo Xyloto as an example, where the choice is given to download a single track as opposed to the entire album). However, that does not necessarily make every song from an album a single. A song becomes a single when it is released separately from the album (see the "Hurts Like Heaven" single, as an example). Mylo Xyloto was released in 2011, but "Hurts Like Heaven" was only released as a single in July 2012. I'm pretty sure that in a singles table, the year a song was released as a single should be the one listed. Which is why 2012 is listed as the year in "Hurts Like Heaven". I've changed "year released" to "year released as single" in the table caption to avoid any further confusion. Holiday56 (talk) 08:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC) What makes "Up with the Birds" a promo release if it was just a release off the album? "Up with the Birds" was released as a single for Record Store Day; I myself was thinking whether the release could truly be classified a promotional single, as it was not released for the purpose of promoting the album. I've noticed that in several discographies, including some featured lists, Record Store Day singles have been placed in the singles section. Would you see any issue with me moving it to that section? Holiday56 (talk) 13:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC) No, not really. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Okay. Moved. Holiday56 (talk) 13:57, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Mark Osbourne is not referenced. Just noticed that a user added the video in. I've added a reference for him. Holiday56 (talk) 13:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 13:02, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 23:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments " Coldplay performing at MuchMusic in Toronto, Canada in September 2011" well, MuchMusic is a television channel, so could you be more specific, or clarify more? Done. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) Per MOS:NUM and WP:NBSP, there should be a non-breaking space -   between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 737ng, use 737 ng, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 737 ng I don't see any units of measurement within the article. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) "United Kingdom (UK)" I really don't think "UK" is needed Done. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) Why do you say "United Kingdom" in its first mention, then UK, which is fine, but then say "US" in its first mention. In order to be consistent, in its first mention, I'd say "United States" then say US thereafter, like it is for the UK Not sure what you're talking about. The first mention of the US I see reads: "United States Billboard Hot 100". Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) "June 2005", there must be a specific day, this applies also to other stuff like this in the list Done. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) Amazon should be written and actually is "Amazon.com" Done. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) In notes, the letter should not be in capitals as per MOS:CAPS and should not be in bold as per MOS:BOLD, and MOS:ACCESS I've followed this format of noting for several discographies; based on Help:Footnotes, it seems okay to format notes this way. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) "coldplay.com" just write as "Coldplay" instead Done. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) And, after that, link Coldplay in all references Done. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) Categories should be sorted in alphabetical order Done. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) This one is just a bot-generated issue, so if there is nothing, just ignore it. It says, "As per MOS:DATES, dates shouldn't use th; for example, instead of (if such appeared in the article) using January 30th was a great day, use January 30 was a great day." The references and titles with "-th" really do read that way. I'll ignore this one. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) This one is also bot-generated , so if there is nothing, again, just ignore it. "This article may need to undergo summary style, where a series of appropriate subpages are used. For example, if the article is United States, then an appropriate subpage would be History of the United States, such that a summary of the subpage exists on the mother article, while the subpage goes into more detail." Don't see an issue, so I'm gonna ignore this one as well. Holiday56 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 02:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 23:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support looks very good. — ΛΧΣ21™ 00:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Looks fine to me − can't see anything obvious that should stop this becoming a featured list. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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Branch Rickey Award

Nominator(s): – Muboshgu (talk) 18:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

My other nomination is close to closing. Can I get one more FL in during the WikiCup? I have until October 31 for this to be promoted to count to my score. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Bloom6132 (talk) 21:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments – "The award was created...in 1991, and first awarded in 1992" – I'm not too sure about this, but I think there should be a "was" in between "and" & "first". Rewritten as "The award, created by the Rotary Club of Denver in 1991, was first awarded in 1992 at their annual banquet." "nominates one individual who exemplifies" – add "best" in between "who" and "exemplifies". Added "and Shane Victorino[11] worked with children in need" – comma after Victorino. Comma added. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC) For players in the Hall of Fame, there should be refs to their individual BR bios, since the general Award Winners ref doesn't designate their status. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC) B-Ref added for all players (Hemond didn't play). – Muboshgu (talk) 21:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support – the list looks good and meets all 6 criteria. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Revolved comments from NapHit (talk) 21:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments' "The award is named for former player and executive Branch Rickey." The use of for confuses me, is that common in American English? After seems a more appropriate word to me Changed to "in honor of", which I think is the best English wording that could fit here – Muboshgu (talk) 19:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC) "Proceeds of the banquet benefit Denver Kids, Inc., a charity that benefits at-risk students who attend Denver Public Schools." This sentence is confusing, i'm not sure if its supposed to be in past or present tense. Not keen on the double use of benefits either Second "benefit" dropped by rewriting to "a charity for at-risk students". I think saying that "proceeds benefit" indicates present tense. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC) "and visited with..." "visited and raised money for" – Muboshgu (talk) 19:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC) "while Moyer's foundation had raised..." Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC) "Other winners worked with a specific illness, such as Curt Schilling, who worked with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis." I'm not clear on this either. Are who saying he worked with those who had the illness, or that he had it himself? ""Other winners devoted their work to aiding individuals who had a specific illness" – Muboshgu (talk) 19:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 14:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 02:13, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments "a" should be "an" Which? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC) In the first sentence. TBrandley 00:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC) That's what I thought. I rewrote the sentence. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:27, 2 October 2012 (UTC) "$6 million" US million, Canadian million, which? Note it. US. Fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC) The table is missing scope="row" for the main parameter of the table, for WP:ACCESS Also not seeing which one. I see them all having the scope parameter. Which one is missing? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC) You use scope="col"'s but not scope="row"'s. scope="row"'s in the actual contents of table, and should replace scope="col". Scope col should be used in the main table parameter header stuff. TBrandley 00:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC) But... I do use scope row for every entry of the player's name in the table. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:27, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Scope row is used there though. TBrandley 00:37, 2 October 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 00:01, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 02:13, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:03, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments Infobox image caption doesn't need a full stop. Removed – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC) You have "president " in the lead but "Senior Vice President" in the table, i.e. different capitalisation. Decapitalized in the table Don't think you need to link sculpture. Okay – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Would be better linking the Rotary Club. Fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Four paras seems a little large for an article of this size (per WP:LEAD). I had contemplated merging the paragraphs on the award and the voting earlier. I just did it. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Consider adding a column for what each winner did to get the award. Hmm. That might be messy, but I'll consider it and test it out in my sandbox, perhaps. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC) I don't think this will work. See Tony Conigliaro Award for an example. As you can see, that column becomes kinda massive and doesn't fit with upright images on the side. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:11, 3 October 2012 (UTC) Charlotte Observer is The Charlotte Observer. Fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC) However, The Rocky Mountain News is just Rocky Mountain News. Fixed – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 10:21, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comment – Don't think the hyphen in "major-league cities" should be there. We usually say the term major league without the hyphen. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:15, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
  • You're right. Not sure how it got there. Hyphen removed. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Looks good to me...<sarcasm> especially because it's an award that 3 former Phillies have won! </sarcasm> In all seriousness, nice work. Go Phightins! 02:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Dennis Lillee

Nominator(s): —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 06:50, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria. This is loosely based upon the Kapil Dev list. Look forward to your comments and suggestions. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 06:50, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

• Given the title is "international cricket" and not "ICC/MCC/ACB endorsed international cricket", I think that Lillee's performances in Kerry Packer's World Series Cricket Supertests and ODIs should be included for completeness. The-Pope (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Before I proceed, I need the opinion of other reviewers. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 14:42, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Seems like a reasonable point if those Packer matches are considered as "internationals". The Rambling Man (talk) 07:39, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Although it looks like a fair point, were these records included under the international career statistics of Lillee.ESPNcricinfo doesn't seem to include all those. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 11:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

There was also the World XI tour of Australia in 1971/72 games, where Lillee took possibly his most famous figures of 8/29. Again, not an official test, but for a feature list, it should be absolutely complete and omitting these innings just makes it a carbon copy of the offiical test/ODI records. Just add another section after ODIs for "Other internationals" with a note briefly explaining why they were held but not considered official tests. The scorecards are on ESPNcricinfo, but not directly linkd from the statsguru page, they are in the match archive section - ie the World XI games statistics. Also I know what you mean by the note "The five-wicket haul is defined by the accumulative sum of all formats of the game" but it doesn't make sense as it's currently written. Is it really neccessary, or should you just say "International level comprises of Test, One Day International and Twenty20 International cricket". And as for whether these "unofficial" games should be counted, Glenn McGrath thinks so. "On passing Lillee's Test wicket-taking tally of 355 in the final Test of the 2001 Ashes tour, McGrath felt he couldn't be compared to the tearaway West Australian. He said Lillee's career haul didn't include the wickets he captured in World Series Super Test and World XI matches." The-Pope (talk) 16:11, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I think Dennis Lillee's stats of those series should be included in Wikipedia's article on him not in "international fifers". Zia Khan 01:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't have enough knowledge about cricket to give an informed opinion on this issue. However, I think that if the matches in question count as true internationals, and we can source them, adding them to the list should at least be considered. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:20, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Per my comments at WT:CRIC, I don't think the WSC fifers should be included, but I do think it should be mentioned at some point that they aren't listed, and if other references than just Glenn McGrath can be found that prefer Lillee's total including those wickets, it should be stated that some sources include his WSC achievements in his stats. Harrias ^talk 07:19, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks like a majority of people (both here as well as WT:CRIC) are against adding those statistics to this list. I've added a disclaimer at the end of the lead stating that the WSC matches are not included, as per the suggestion given by NapHit. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I think they should be included but marked with a different colour. Then people can decide for themselves if they want to "count" them. They seem to me to be consistent with the list title. --99of9 (talk) 01:54, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

There is an ongoing discussion regarding this at WT:CRIC. Requesting you to comment there. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 18:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The discussion there has somewhat stalled. I'm content that the note in the list provides adequate explanation for the inclusion criteria for this list. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:51, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:13, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments notwithstanding the Packer comment above, other issues: Image caption doesn't need a full stop nor the word "just". Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC) Mike Smith and John Parker are dab links. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC) "rated as "Outstanding fast bowler of his generation"" no need for capital O and there's a word missing here, like "the". Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC) "nd held the record for almost two years before Ian Botham surpassed the record" record... record... repeat. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC) "and went on to " perhaps replace with "where he" Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC) "at an average of 18" link average to bowling average. And we normally list averages to 2 decimal places. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC) "and was more effective "... than what? Most effective? Don't link London. In fact, I would have the ground here, not the city. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC) "Leeds cricket ground, London" hey?! My bad! removed. —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC) For tied wickets, the next sort should be by runs, i.e. 5/50 is better than 5/60. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:09, 19 September 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 08:05, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 18:39, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments "...in international cricket. In cricket, a five-wicket haul" In cricket is redundant already established we are talking about it with the sentence ending the way it does "and was most effective at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, taking seven out his twenty three five-wicket hauls" think there might be a missing word here, as it doesn't make sense Leeds Cricket Ground is known as Headingley, never heard it referred as that before ref 36 doesn't appear to be formatted correctly Regarding the Packer issue above. One alternative to excluding them is putting a disclaimer at the end of the lead stating that they are not included in this list, as ESPNcricinfo doesn't include them in their totals or something like that I agree with you. Zia Khan 00:18, 26 September 2012 (UTC) Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 18:46, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support meets the criteria. NapHit (talk) 14:08, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 03:22, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments Alt text needs to be added to the images per WP:ALT Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC) "Bronze statue of Dennis Lillee, one of the Parade of Champions, located outside the Melbourne Cricket Ground" missing period at end See the first comment of TRM —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC) I would use actual sub-sections for general and specific references for access Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC) TBrandley 00:25, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support TBrandley 19:11, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Zia Khan 05:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments— "named the Wisden Cricketer of the Year" → “named as one of the Wisden Cricketers of the Year”. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC) "during the sixth test of the" → Test. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC) "during the final test of the same series" → Test. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC) Link Pakistan. Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC) There are no col scopes or a table title on your key. Done. The caption is not needed here —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC) Replace § with *. Most of the fifer lists use the {{section-sign}}. —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC) I don't think so. Is § accessable? I guess so. —Vensatry (Ping me) 14:27, 3 October 2012 (UTC) Zia Khan 12:27, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support – Meets the standards. Zia Khan 05:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 19:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments – In the "heart of Australia attack" quote, could a bracketed ['s] be added after the country name so that the grammar works in the sentence? We're allowed to make such small fixes in quotes. "Lillee's performance in the World Series Cricket and World XI tour of Australia in 1971/72 are not included." First, "performance" should be plural. Second, "the" should be moved to before the second competition in the sentence. Third, the slash would be better as an en dash. Lillee's name is misspelled in the last key entry. In the general references, do they spell Lillee's name that way in the title? Giants2008 (Talk) 19:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Fixed all. —Vensatry (Ping me) 14:27, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support Nice work. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 17:15, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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