Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/September 2018
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 27 September 2018 (UTC) [1].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Gihan Jayaweera, Vensatry
A part of the "fab four", Joe Root might well end up as England's greatest ever batsman. At just under 28, he already has 26 centuries to his name (he has the most centuries for England in ODIs). Gihan Jayaweera laid the groundwork – happy to include him as a co-nom. This is my first FLC in nine months; a thorough review would be much appreciated. —Vensatry (talk) 19:37, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TompaDompa (talk) 20:06, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
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TompaDompa (talk) 10:34, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Support TompaDompa (talk) 20:06, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments by Sagavaj
- In second para, you mentioned "Root has scored centuries against seven of the twelve Test-playing nations". As of when?
- Some scores were mentioned in the lead. Though references were present in the table, I think you can keep same references even in the lead. e.g., 254 against pakistan
- Though you mentioned 90* as highest score in T20 and is implied that he didn't score a century yet, I think it is still better to mention it somewhere.
I didn't find much and I hope these will help. Sagavaj (talk) 22:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sagavaj: Fixed all. Thanks for the comments —Vensatry (talk) 04:00, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sagavaj (talk) 11:43, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "Root has scored centuries against seven of the twelve Test-playing nations" - I would change this to "Root has scored centuries against seven of the other eleven Test-playing nations", as he obviously can't score one against England
- Note a: "The exceptions include Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Ireland and Zimbabwe." - change to "The exceptions are Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Ireland and Zimbabwe." The use of the word "include" implies that there are other exceptions.
- That's all I've got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:47, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Good catches, as ever. :) Thanks —Vensatry (talk) 16:10, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:27, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the review. —Vensatry (talk) 19:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
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Comments welcome back!
The Rambling Man (talk) 20:18, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support my concerns addressed, cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 01:51, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 27 September 2018 (UTC) [2].[reply]
- Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:12, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because thirteen previous such lists have been successfully promoted and the fourteenth is close, with multiple supports. This time I have stepped back into the 20th century (remember that?) ;-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:12, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TompaDompa (talk) 10:57, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
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TompaDompa (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Support TompaDompa (talk) 10:57, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
CommentWhat is the difference between this list and the List of Airplay 100 number ones of the 2010s that's nominated below? Why Hot Country Singles & Tracks number ones lists are yearly, while the other one is by decades? Another example is List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 1990s that you, Chris, nominated before. My simple question is why can't this list be by decades as well?--Cheetah (talk) 19:22, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]- The country number ones lists were created (not by me - I just found them and decided to start improving them) by year way back in 2010 and that's how they've been ever since. There doesn't seem to be a hard and fast rule on how such lists are organised - there are around 30 existing FLs of number ones organised by year across various genres/charts..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I understand what you're saying. It's just these yearly lists are too bland to me. I believe lists by decades are more interesting to browse than the yearly ones. List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 1990s is a great example of what these lists should look like. It has a lot more information on one page. --Cheetah (talk) 17:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Apologies, I never responded to this point. I appreciate your views, and I don't think I am likely to be able to sway them, but the fact that 14 of these country number one lists by year are already FLs would seem to suggest that consensus is that it is an acceptable way to present the information.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:05, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I understand what you're saying. It's just these yearly lists are too bland to me. I believe lists by decades are more interesting to browse than the yearly ones. List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 1990s is a great example of what these lists should look like. It has a lot more information on one page. --Cheetah (talk) 17:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- The country number ones lists were created (not by me - I just found them and decided to start improving them) by year way back in 2010 and that's how they've been ever since. There doesn't seem to be a hard and fast rule on how such lists are organised - there are around 30 existing FLs of number ones organised by year across various genres/charts..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Only a few comments for this one:
- "Chely Wright achieved the only number one of her career in 1999." – it appears her career is still going, so it seems a bit definitive to say "of her career"
- Include a table caption :)
Another great list, your efforts to get a complete "set" to FL-status is inspiring! – Allied45 (talk) 10:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Both the above addressed. Wright hasn't charted at all since 2005 so another number one would seem unlikely at this point but never say never I guess :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:08, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – Allied45 (talk) 11:30, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
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That's all I have. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support all good. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed (I also archived all references); disregarding oppose- after 11 prior FLs, while I'm not necessarily opposed to converting to decade lists, I'm also not seeing a consensus either here or at WP:MUSIC to no longer having year lists, no matter how "bland". Promoting. --PresN 01:51, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 27 September 2018 (UTC) [3].[reply]
- Nominator(s): « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Saved this article from deletion, took it to WP:DYK, and now I think it is ready for WP:FLC. Please bear with me, this is my first nomination in a long time, so if I missed something simple, I apologize. Thanks for taking the time to review. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: I believe in QPQ at FLC. I will review 3 noms for every one I nominate (1, 2, 3). « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 00:40, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TompaDompa (talk) 17:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
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*The WP:LEAD is very long – too long for a lead section. The details about the players whose numbers were retired should be moved to the body, and a briefer summary should be added to the lead instead.
If and when these issues have been addressed, I'll do a more thorough review. TompaDompa (talk) 15:05, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply] Some things needing copyediting:
TompaDompa (talk) 17:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Great job! TompaDompa (talk) 17:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 20:39, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
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Comments, first though, thanks for your QPQ approach, and especially such a generous one.
That's all I have on that quick run through. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support the first of a few of these I hope... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:39, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- "the criteria for and necessity of doing so is left up to each team" => "the criteria for and necessity of doing so are left up to each team"
- "His number was retired by coach Gene Ronzani during a brief ceremony in a game against the New York Yanks" - was the ceremony literally during the game?
- Ice Bowl should be in quotation marks, not italics
- "Nitschke's number was retired in 1983 in a small ceremony during a game against the Chicago Bears" - as above - was it literally "during" the game?
- "White, who was known as the Minister of Defense" - nickname should be in quote marks, not italics
- Think that's it from me! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:48, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks ChrisTheDude. I believe I have addressed all your comments here. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:40, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice one - support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:52, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed (I also archived all references); promoting. --PresN 01:51, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 20 September 2018 (UTC) [5].[reply]
- Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:50, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think everyone is familiar with these lists by now. Thirteen have been promoted in recent months, so here's the next one...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:50, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- One simple question: Is it really necessary to link Billboard in every single ref? I guess everybody knows what Billboard is.--Lirim | T 19:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I was always under the impression that works/publishers should be linked in every ref because the order of them could change -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:27, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Having said that, I've noticed that in some/most/all of the other lists that have been promoted to FL, I haven't linked it every time. So I guess I'm not wedded to them all being linked. I am not fussed either way.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- There's no hard rule about it beyond consistency- some people link every time because ref order is not fixed (as you state); some link only the "first" time (and generally don't try to keep that up to date...); some don't link publishers at all. --PresN 01:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Having said that, I've noticed that in some/most/all of the other lists that have been promoted to FL, I haven't linked it every time. So I guess I'm not wedded to them all being linked. I am not fussed either way.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I was always under the impression that works/publishers should be linked in every ref because the order of them could change -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:27, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Aoba47
[edit]- Something about this part (which had held the top spot since the chart dated December 18, 2010.) reads strangely to me. I think that something along the lines of (which had held the top spot on the chart since December 18, 2010). Something about the word choice (“dated”) seems a little off to me.
- For this part (This gave McEntire the 25th number-one country single), I would revise it to (It was McEntire’s 25th number-one country single) to avoid starting a sentence with “This”.
You always do such great work with these lists. I only have two relatively minor comments for this list. It definitely inspires me to go back to do a music-related list sometime in the future. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any comments on my current FAC. Either way, I hope you are having a wonderful weekend so far! Aoba47 (talk) 02:44, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your kind words. I have fixed the issues which you raised, hopefully to your satisfaction. I will try to look at your FAC in the next day or two.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:22, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for addressing my comments. I support this for promotion! Aoba47 (talk) 19:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TompaDompa (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
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TompaDompa (talk) 18:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Great job. TompaDompa (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment –
About the only thing I can complain about is that I don't think the bit about "Why Wait" having the top spot since December 18 is fully supported by the source. That page is to the December 18 chart; there's not going to be anything there saying that it was also number one on December 25. That sentence needs another reference to confirm its placing in the second week.Other than that, the list looks good. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:13, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]- Good point, now resolved -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:22, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Great list, here are some things I picked up on:
- The line in the lead "...Brantley Gilbert, who took "Country Must Be Country Wide" to the top spot in December." - "took" sounds weird to me in this context, perhaps there is a better word?
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:43, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Possibly add a table caption
- Not sure what that is, can you elaborate.....?
- "Ref." column should be unsortable
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:43, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you archive the citations to prevent against potential link rot?
- Again, not sure what that is/how to do it (never been asked to do it on any of the previous lists)........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:43, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise, it's a beautifully presented list :) – Allied45 (talk) 11:57, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry for not clarifying those points! Table captions are suggested in the "table dos and don'ts" (I have added this for you on your behalf). With archiving citations, I don't believe it's necessarily a requirement, but I am a big fan of doing this whenever I add a citation. Essentially you can use the Wayback Machine (link found here and it will capture the webpage as it is on that date, to prevent against potential link rot in the future, and it saves having to try to rescue or find a suitable alternative if the links go dead. This has actually been implemented already on List of Hot Country Songs number ones of 2010 if you'd like to take a look :) Regardless, I think you have done enough to receive my support – Allied45 (talk) 08:59, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:19, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry for not clarifying those points! Table captions are suggested in the "table dos and don'ts" (I have added this for you on your behalf). With archiving citations, I don't believe it's necessarily a requirement, but I am a big fan of doing this whenever I add a citation. Essentially you can use the Wayback Machine (link found here and it will capture the webpage as it is on that date, to prevent against potential link rot in the future, and it saves having to try to rescue or find a suitable alternative if the links go dead. This has actually been implemented already on List of Hot Country Songs number ones of 2010 if you'd like to take a look :) Regardless, I think you have done enough to receive my support – Allied45 (talk) 08:59, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 16:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 17 September 2018 (UTC) [6].[reply]
- Nominator(s): PresN 16:58, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In my last stop in my series of FLs on video game developers/publishers, List of games by Firaxis Games (FLC below), I noted that they've focused pretty exclusively on the Civilization series since 2005. That, combined with the lack of a dedicated "media" list for such a long-running and expansive franchise, meant that I thought I could pull together such a list with rows pulled from the Firaxis list as a base. And so, here we are: 27 years of games, board games, books, and albums, for a franchise that didn't invent the 4X genre but is nevertheless considered the definitive version of it. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 16:58, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from Anarchyte
Great work on the article. Here are some comments:
- In the opening sentence, would simply saying "Civilization is a franchise composed primarily" suffice? This removes the repetition of "media" later on.
- Sid Meier developed the first game in the series and has had creative input for most of the rest, and the formal titles of the series, core games, and most spin-offs include his name, as in Sid Meier's Civilization. This is a bit of a mouthful in my opinion. How about changing it to one of these?
- Sid Meier developed the first game in the series and has had creative input for most of the sequels. Consequently, the formal titles of the series, core games, and most spin-offs include his name, as in Sid Meier's Civilization
- Sid Meier developed the first game in the series and has had creative input for most of the sequels, with the formal titles of the series, core games, and most spin-offs including his name, as in Sid Meier's Civilization.
- Additionally, what does "formal titles" mean here? If it means the official titling of the series, then wouldn't this work better? the formal titles of the series, consisting of the core games and spin-offs, including his name, as in Sid Meier's Civilization. (this does not change the meaning of the next sentences, too)
- Why does the article mention the months things took place in only twice? As a reader, I see no benefit from knowing that they took place in November of 2004 and 2005.
When these issues get resolved or I receive clarification (i.e. your proposal changes the meaning), I'll happily support. Anarchyte (work | talk) 03:24, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Anarchyte: Dropped 'media' and the months, and reworked that messy sentence into two: Sid Meier developed the first game in the series and has had creative input for most of its sequels. The official titles of the series, core games, and most spin-offs include his name, as in Sid Meier's Civilization. Thanks for reviewing!--PresN 17:42, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Anarchyte (work | talk) 06:42, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Aoba47
[edit]- I have a comment about this sentence (Business changes resulting from the consolidation of the company in 1996 with Spectrum HoloByte, which bought MicroProse in 1993, resulted in Meier leaving the company to found Firaxis Games in 1996.). Is there a way to avoid using the words “resulting” and “resulted” in the same sentence?
- I am confused by this part (Music album CDs). Shouldn’t it be either albums or CDs? I have never heard the phrase album CDs before, and I am not sure if the “music” part is necessary.
- You currently have Linux linked in the “Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri” portion of the table. Shouldn’t Linux be wikilinked on the first instance in the body article (i.e. in the “Sid Meier's Civilization V” portion of the table). If you are wikilinking items that appear in multiple tables, then should they both be linked? I am just confused on the linking for this one.
These are my only comments; once everything is addressed, I will be more than happy to support this for promotion. It makes me want to play some Civilization lol. Have a great rest of your week! Aoba47 (talk) 03:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Aoba47: Adjusted the sentence, made it "Music CDs", and move the linux link to the first instance. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 14:45, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for addressing everything! I support this for promotion. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any help/input with my current FAC? Have a great rest of your day! Aoba47 (talk) 17:58, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment –
About the only thing I can even nit-pick is that I'd put a comma after "as well as a spin-off title" in the second paragraph.Otherwise this article looks good. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:13, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Giants2008: Done! --PresN 22:27, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments by TompaDompa
- The WP:ALT text for the logo doesn't match the image file.
digital albums have been sold for Civilization VI and its expansion, and Civilization: Beyond Earth and its expansion
would be clearer if the second "and" were replaced with "as well as for".- I don't like the table layouts where entries are built more vertically than horizontally. I'd rather see additional pieces of information relating to the same entry presented in additional columns than in additional rows. In the first table, for example, I would split the "Details" column into a "Release years by system" column and a "Notes" column rather than keep it the way it is now (although I might split it into even more columns than that). The current layout looks disorganized, even though it isn't.
TompaDompa (talk) 23:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @TompaDompa: Fixed the first two. As to the row format, a few things: 1) it's a template used by 200+ lists, including several FLs, so I'm disinclined to change/replace it on a whim, but more importantly 2) I hacked together a version of it where the notes is a new column instead of a new subrow, and tested it here. I actually find that much more visually confusing than the present version, and on smaller screen resolutions (aka <= 1200 pixels wide) it still stretches vertically in the way you disliked, but with the columns squashed. I'll keep playing with it, but right now I'm not going to change the template for this list. --PresN 01:31, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I see your point about smaller screen resolutions. Would it be possible to structure the recurring information (such as developer and publisher, genre for the second table, number of pages for the books, duration and number of tracks for the music) in a way similar to the way "Release years by system" currently is? I think it would look a lot more structured if there were what might loosely be called "headings" for recurring types of information rather than just identical placement in an otherwise featureless bulleted list. TompaDompa (talk) 12:28, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- It's problematic to keep subdividing it into sections, because if you don't split it into columns then each sub-row needs to have their own headings (like "Release years by system:" and "Notes:" here) in order to still meet WP:ACCESS requirements (and just to be easily comprehensible). And since you need a header for each section, you end up with even taller game-rows then you currently have. The solution is obviously columns, but as previously noted that gets messy if you have a lot of words per column (and you also can't split some subrows by columns and not others, again per WP:ACCESS- it's talking about column headers in the middle of tables there, but it's really cells that span multiple columns when the cells above/below that row don't do that). In fact, for lists that have too many games to really use the format of this list that's exactly the tradeoff I make- see List of games by Epic Games for example, where everything gets its own column but I have to drop all language around the bare fact and don't have space to talk about extra details except in footnotes at the bottom.
- I guess ultimately I don't see anywhere near the issue with this format that you seem to (with the possible exception of the extra space to the side of games with long platform-releases, like Civ 1). I'm not 100% satisfied with it, but I'm also not so dissatisfied that I want to sink a ton more hours into trying to make it slightly better, especially when I don't think there's a good way to do it without just dropping all non-structured "notes" from the table itself. --PresN 20:26, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a way to make the structure of the notes more apparent while changing little else: preface the publisher with "Publisher:" (using bold), and do the same for the other pieces of recurring information. TompaDompa (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Tested that for the first section: [7]; I don't think it's an improvement. It makes it clear what each sentence is about, but they're not exactly long sentences: "Developer/Publisher: Developed and published by MicroProse" is pretty redundant. I don't think I'll keep this change. --PresN 19:45, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I was thinking more like this. TompaDompa (talk) 01:42, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, so more converting the prosish text into essentially cells without borders? Well, honestly, I don't really like it- I don't like the way it looks, and I don't like how it drops information even though there's plenty of space for it. --PresN 04:01, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I was thinking more like this. TompaDompa (talk) 01:42, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Tested that for the first section: [7]; I don't think it's an improvement. It makes it clear what each sentence is about, but they're not exactly long sentences: "Developer/Publisher: Developed and published by MicroProse" is pretty redundant. I don't think I'll keep this change. --PresN 19:45, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a way to make the structure of the notes more apparent while changing little else: preface the publisher with "Publisher:" (using bold), and do the same for the other pieces of recurring information. TompaDompa (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I see your point about smaller screen resolutions. Would it be possible to structure the recurring information (such as developer and publisher, genre for the second table, number of pages for the books, duration and number of tracks for the music) in a way similar to the way "Release years by system" currently is? I think it would look a lot more structured if there were what might loosely be called "headings" for recurring types of information rather than just identical placement in an otherwise featureless bulleted list. TompaDompa (talk) 12:28, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @TompaDompa: Fixed the first two. As to the row format, a few things: 1) it's a template used by 200+ lists, including several FLs, so I'm disinclined to change/replace it on a whim, but more importantly 2) I hacked together a version of it where the notes is a new column instead of a new subrow, and tested it here. I actually find that much more visually confusing than the present version, and on smaller screen resolutions (aka <= 1200 pixels wide) it still stretches vertically in the way you disliked, but with the columns squashed. I'll keep playing with it, but right now I'm not going to change the template for this list. --PresN 01:31, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Should the Alpha Centauri novels be included, if you're including a books section? SnowFire (talk) 20:06, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @SnowFire: Wow, yes, that was a big oversight. Now added (novels and graphic novel and GURPS sourcebook). Thanks! --PresN 15:58, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on content. Not reviewing any weird FL stylistic requirements though, if they exist. SnowFire (talk) 09:41, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
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Otherwise good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:09, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support although I must register my dislike of floating logos (per the amendment below), but it's not a deal breaker. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Driveby comment The CIVILIZATION logo text looks extremely hemmed in by the frame around it. Is it possible to increase the white space around the text in the image?—indopug (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Indopug: You know, I think it's pretty clear that it's the logo without a caption, so I've removed the box altogether. --PresN 16:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Source review – The reliability and formatting of the article's sources look okay, and the link-checker took reveals no problems. This is a pass all the way around. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:10, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 15 September 2018 (UTC) [8].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:53, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Kate Winslet's biography is now a featured article. Here's hoping her list of performances makes the cut too. Cheers! --Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:53, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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*I'm not a big fan of the title. "Kate Winslet on screen, stage, and record" is more in line with most of the other WP:Featured lists like this.
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Support now that the above issues have been resolved. TompaDompa (talk) 09:21, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support I hope you don't mind my minor edit there.--Cheetah (talk) 07:49, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Not at all. Thanks for the fixes. :) Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:51, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Aoba47
[edit]- I have a question about this part (and the single "What If", which she sang for the 2001 animated film Christmas Carol: The Movie, proved to be a commercial hit). I could not find support for the “commercial hit” claim in the reference provided. Could you point out where it says this in the source as I am most likely just reading over it? Also do you think that this statement requires further context/specification as it was primarily a commercial success in parts of Europe as opposed to everywhere.
- Do you think that you should be consistent with using either Academy Award or Oscar? I was just curious if an unfamiliar reader may not be aware that they reference the same award. I know that it is fairly common knowledge, but I was just curious about this part.
Wonderful work with this list! These are the only comments that I have noticed. I will support this for promotion once my comments are addressed. I would greatly appreciate if you could provide comments on my current FAC. Either way, have a great start to your weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 17:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Aoba47, tweaked accordingly. Thanks for the review. Much appreciated, as always. :) Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:42, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for addressing everything. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 20:50, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I got nothing :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:39, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- That's very kind. Thank you! :) Krimuk2.0 (talk) 15:21, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments Looks like a good list.
- "The 2004 science fiction romance ..." This whole sentence reads kind of clumsily to me. I'd suggest breaking it into two sentences, and having something more like "The 2004 science fiction romance Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind marked one of Winslet's first roles set in contemporary times.[ref] She followed it by playing etc. etc.". You may then need to rewrite the next sentence, which talks about the "first and last" of these roles.
- I somehow believe that if I split the sentences, it will be clunkier as I will have to repeat her Oscar nominations in two consecutive sentences. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:33, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I wouldn't repeat the word "titular" quite so close together.
- "6 episodes" -> "Six episodes"
- Episode: Family Matters -> Episode: "Family Matters"
- Spaced hypens ( - ) need to be spaced en dashes ( – ).
- What's the logic behind which publishers are wikilinked in the references? Some of them are, some of them aren't.
- Wikilinked the first instance. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:33, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Citation 76 has dates in yyyy-mm-dd format.
Incidentally, my current open FLC is YouTube Awards. If you've got the time, I welcome any comments on it. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 23:17, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- A Thousand Doors Thanks for the comments. I'll review your nomination soon. :) Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:33, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC) [9].[reply]
- Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Another football list, Lukaku has rapidly risen to the top, his recent scoring exploits have projected him onto the global stage. He's top scorer for Belgium already, and could go to double his tally if he stays fit enough. As ever, your comments will be addressed as soon as I possibly can. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from TompaDompa
- The images should have WP:ALT texts.
- Cap (sport) should be linked or the term "cap" explained somewhere since the reader may not be familiar with it.
- The "Ref." column should be "Ref." (i.e.
{{abbr|Ref.|Reference}}
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I don't think this passes WP:FLCR 3(b) right now; I have checked what the main Romelu Lukaku article looked like before this list was split off from it and have come to the conclusion that this could "reasonably be included as part of a related article". TompaDompa (talk) 00:59, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Well I disagree, the main article is easily large enough to sustain a forked off article such as this. Other points addressed. Cheers though. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:36, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- PS, for what it's worth, see WP:SIZERULE. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a good guideline! Lukaku's page size is 21kb, so based on that rule of thumb "Length alone does not justify division". What justifies division then? --Cheetah (talk) 01:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Coverage of him being Belgium's top international scorer. If people prefer to merge it back, sources and all, that's just fine. At least I've improved things, one way or another, with this. Just make sure you get the attribution right when you do it. Plenty more fish in the sea. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, well it looks like there's plenty of support for it to be a standalone list, so I'll continue with this nomination. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a good guideline! Lukaku's page size is 21kb, so based on that rule of thumb "Length alone does not justify division". What justifies division then? --Cheetah (talk) 01:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I can't see any issues with the content and am happy with it being a stand-alone article -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Comments from Liam E. Bekker
In reference to the above comments, I don't see any issue with this being a stand-alone page and it is common for the top goalscorer of a national team to have a list for their record of goals. My recommendations follow:
That's about it from what I can pick up. Liam E. Bekker (talk) 09:04, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support - all of my concerns have been addressed.Liam E. Bekker (talk) 11:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support prose is fine and I have nothing to change. I feel it meets the criteria, and am not concerned with the standalone bit. The Rambling Man this isn’t enough to stop me from supporting outright, but the image in the statistics section renders weird on my current screen (iPhone, but desktop view) and causes the tables to weirdly float in the white space. I’m not sure if this is caused by my being on mobile or not, or if there is a way to fix it, but I thought it worth raising if you weren’t aware. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:00, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- TonyBallioni Hi Tony, thanks for that. I agree, I get the same rendering on my phone (same configuration as you), I wonder if it's the same in Firefox or Chrome (I only use Safari on iPhone). Good news, though, I've used the same technique as I applied in the Rooney list, adding the image into its own column in that section, and I think it works fine all ways round now. Do let me know what you think. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks fine now. Also, I use Chrome on mobile, so it doesn’t appear to be a Safari issue. TonyBallioni (talk) 12:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, cool, well thanks for noticing and pointing it out, I'll make sure it's fixed on any lists I find with a similar coding issue. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:59, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks fine now. Also, I use Chrome on mobile, so it doesn’t appear to be a Safari issue. TonyBallioni (talk) 12:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- TonyBallioni Hi Tony, thanks for that. I agree, I get the same rendering on my phone (same configuration as you), I wonder if it's the same in Firefox or Chrome (I only use Safari on iPhone). Good news, though, I've used the same technique as I applied in the Rooney list, adding the image into its own column in that section, and I think it works fine all ways round now. Do let me know what you think. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC) [10].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:22, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because it has improved a lot compared to its last FLC. A lot of work has been done on the lead and on the tables, solving a user's issues that remained unsolved last time. I believe the list is largely ready for FL status. Thank you in advance for comments! Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:22, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TompaDompa
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I also think that merging this list and Airplay 100 (Romania) should be considered, considering the latter is a stub. TompaDompa (talk) 15:08, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Support TompaDompa (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from A Thousand Doors
[edit]I really don't think that that Year column is an improvement. For one thing, it's entirely redundant – the Reached number one column already states the year. We tend not to have rowspans in sortable tables anyway, given how they break up unappealingly whenever the table is sorted, and then can only be remerged by refreshing the page. Adding an extra column bunches up the contents of other five (see how "Ain't Nobody (Loves Me Better)" and "Niciodată să nu spui niciodată" are now split over two lines, for example), and the visual separation between consecutive years is now considerably less clear (it's basically just one thin line in the Year column).
I know that this table is complying with the "good" example given in MOS:DTT, but that example was added by one user following very little discussion (in the fact, the discussion was between just two editors, one of whom was me). I'll bring up the issue on the talk page there, but, if there are no replies after a week or so (and there probably won't be, nobody's edited that page in over three years), then I'm just going to be bold and remove the "good" example, and suggest that we try to come up with an alternative solution for this article here. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 14:01, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @A Thousand Doors: Hi! I now removed the year column alltogether, as I realized it is superfluous since we have the dates each item reached number one. It would be a good idea to clarify the Manual of Style entry, since it could be helpful for editors wanting to improve other lists. Best regards! Cartoon network freak (talk) 16:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @A Thousand Doors: Was a consensus reached in the subject matter? Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- No, there's hasn't been any response. For this article, it may be best to omit the year-breaking rowspans from the table entirely until a solution has been reached that meets MOS:ACCESS. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 00:36, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @A Thousand Doors: Was a consensus reached in the subject matter? Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Lirim.Z
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Comments from ChrisTheDude
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*Quick comment to kick things off and remind me to come back later: the images down the right hand side are huge and should not be that large. Use the "upright" parameter instead of a fixed image size -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:46, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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- Now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:23, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 21:26, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 01:22, 10 September 2018 (UTC) [11].[reply]
- Nominator(s): — Bilorv(c)(talk) 01:21, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have modelled this list on List of awards and nominations received by American Horror Story and the other pages listed at Wikipedia:Featured lists#Awards and nominations received by television series, and I believe the list is now complete, consistently formatted and meets the other FL criteria. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 01:21, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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I might go through the list more thoroughly at a later date, but this should at least be a start. TompaDompa (talk) 00:39, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply] Two more things from the WP:LEAD:
I haven't looked much at the contents of the list or the sources, but I assume that the facts and sourcing are in order. TompaDompa (talk) 09:51, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
I am happy to support this now that my issues have been satisfactorily resolved. TompaDompa (talk) 12:49, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- These links should be fixed.
- Other than the redirect one, not sure what the problems were—the links all work for me. I've archived them anyway. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 12:48, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Link science fiction in the opening sentence.
- Link the publishers in their first instance, just like its in ref 1 to 10.
- I've linked work/publisher in all instances (they're an exception to MOS:DUPLINK). — Bilorv(c)(talk) 12:48, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:05, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I've addressed all your comments. Let me know if there's anything more you think needs to be done. — Bilorv(c)(talk) 12:48, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support this nomination now. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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I had to look hard for any inconsistencies; the list is very good. CelestialWeevil (talk) 16:50, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Support — Great list. CelestialWeevil (talk) 19:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 9 September 2018 (UTC) [12].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Bharatiya29 10:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because it is a former FL which was demoted because of the fact that it was highly outdated. However, that is not the case now and I believe that the list should again be promoted to FL status. Bharatiya29 10:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - "The second list includes all those players who were brought by DD but they did not play any match. They are also initially listed alphabetically by their last name" - I can't see any such table...? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:55, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- Fix these links.
- Done
- Is "CricketArchive" a RS?
- It is used as a source in many featured cricket lists and articles. I don't see any reason to not consider it a RS.
- I would suggest you to delink Delhi in the opening sentence, per WP:OLINK.
Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:17, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support this nomination. Yashthepunisher (talk) 10:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TompaDompa (talk) 16:01, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
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*"Delhi Daredevils (DD) is a franchise" – seems to me like this should start with "The", just like the main Delhi Daredevils article. Done
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Support Great job. TompaDompa (talk) 16:01, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - all looks OK to me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:36, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Enough for a quick run through. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply] |
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 02:55, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 9 September 2018 (UTC) [13].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Kosack (talk) 20:52, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I have worked to improve the article and believe it now meets the FL criteria. I have based the page on my recently promoted List of Wales international footballers page. Look forward to any comments. Kosack (talk) 20:52, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - the only thing I can see is an issue around the use of "all-time". When the words are used in a phrase like "the all-time top goalscorer" then it needs a hyphen, but in something like "the top goalscorer of all time" then it doesn't. Does that make sense........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I get what you mean, I've made some amendments to the page to hopefully fix the issue. Thanks for your review. Kosack (talk) 12:04, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- The caption on the lead image doesn't need a hyphen.............. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:21, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Whoops, forgot that one was there. Fixed. Kosack (talk) 12:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- The caption on the lead image doesn't need a hyphen.............. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:21, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I get what you mean, I've made some amendments to the page to hopefully fix the issue. Thanks for your review. Kosack (talk) 12:04, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - all looks OK now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:27, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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*"ended in a 6–3 defeat" – I would add "for Azerbaijan" for clarity.
TompaDompa (talk) 19:33, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Great job. TompaDompa (talk) 13:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Source review: All sources are high-quality and reliable. All links are active. I made one small addition because I couldn't find some data in one of the source links. I note that cap counts in the article don't always match those given in the sources because of the three international matches recognized by AFFA and not FIFA, but the article is careful to clarify exactly which matches for which players are not included in the article's statistics. In my judgment, simple subtraction falls under the WP:CALC exception to WP:OR, and I am glad to support this nomination. W559 (talk) 21:45, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted. --PresN 02:55, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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