Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/log/March 2019
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[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was removed by PresN via FACBot (talk) 19:32:23 27 March 2019 (UTC) [1].
- Notified: User:Gsfelipe94, User:Matthew0820, User:BEDofRAZORS666; Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists
I am nominating this for featured list removal because I don't see how this is one of the best lists we have to offer. When it was promoted it was already shaky (and the review cursory), and since 2007 it's just accumulated poorly written, poorly verified material...cruft. (Those flags need to go too--there's a consensus for MMA that indeed they must go.) This revert alerted me to the poor stage of the article: the writing is obviously poor. As for the sourcing, it's all Sherdog and a couple other MMA sites, basically, which I'm sure is fine for individual results, but not so much for prose and it doesn't look good. And then, prominently, there's File:UFC-Champs.PNG, some homemade and atrocious thing dominated by national colors (in a sport that has no national representation), with ungrammaticalities ("none weight limit") and a sexist set-up (male is the norm, "female" needs to be marked). No, I'm sure the list is fine for what it is, but it is not a FL. Drmies (talk) 21:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist – In addition to the issues raised by Drmies, I don't see sourcing for most of the items in the tables of champions. There isn't even a general reference provided for the information. That is a disqualifier for FL status by itself. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:08, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Giants2008 I don't know enough about FL status to give a confident answer, but could you cite the policy that excludes articles from FL for sourcing reasons? Cheers, Pokerplayer513 (talk) 02:53, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The featured list criteria state that all FLs must meet general "requirements for all Wikipedia content", including verifiability. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:23, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist - Some tables are entirely unsourced, major work would be needed to find the citations needed. Mattximus (talk) 13:31, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No work done in a large amount of time, consensus to delist, delisting. --PresN 19:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was removed by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 15 March 2019 (UTC) [2].[reply]
- Notified: Moreschi, WikiProject Opera
This 2007 FL has a few significant issues that prevent it from meeting modern standards:
- The whole basis of the list is questionable. How can we determine in Wikipedia's voice what an important opera is? Here, the term apparently means an opera appearing in a majority of nine lists of operas. How are we to know that these are the only such sources that should be consulted? Even if they are the right sources to use, we have the issue that all of them are over 15 years old, so by definition the list cannot be updated with new operas.
- Many Grove references are tagged as needing individual pages cited for verifiability.
- The lead isn't up to modern standards. It's very short and directs readers to the main opera article for a historical summary, instead of providing a brief one in this article as you might expect. I can't even complain about the lead being uncited, since there isn't much in there that would require a reference. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm - but on the other hand, at least everything in the list is cited, and for Grove we can AGF - and it gets 100-200 views/day- and it doesn't seem to me as if there is anything actually misleading in it (although I personally would disconcur with some of the 20th century entries and omissions ,and I see there's nothing for the 21st century.....)....Seems to me it needs some rewriting rather than deletion. Maybe retitle and verify as 'most performed' operas, using performance statistics? --Smerus (talk) 18:16, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Would tend to agree with OP: not up to current standards. And how can our "Wikipedia voice" say what is "important" (a different title could address the second concern). N2e (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist Agree with both comments above. Criterion for inclusion is vague, the lead begins with and uses out of date wording "The operas listed...", "This list provides...". Actually the whole lead isn't a summary of what is contained below as per requirements, but instructions on how to read it! Mattximus (talk) 15:59, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist I'm not really convinced that we could have any such "important" criterion being defined objectively and non-controversially enough to please enough of the people enough of the time. The list itself (apart from the lead) is quite useful, but ultimately boils down to the opinions of a handful of English-language books. Not convincing enough for me. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist. The selection criterion is arbitrary and requires original research to select the lists used. Even if rewritten, this article can never be objective enough for FL status. Kranix (talk | contribs) 20:00, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist Agree particularly with the concerns over the criteria used for inclusion, which at least verges on being a blend OR and SYNTH. ——SerialNumber54129 21:39, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist: I would have to agree with the above comments on the concerns regarding the criteria for inclusion. Aoba47 (talk) 02:11, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus is pretty clear, delisting. --PresN 15:58, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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