Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1218

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Duryea Museum

How do I add The Duryea Museum to the single artist site? JayneDuryea (talk) 17:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@JayneDuryea I don't understand your question. Wikipedia has an article Duryea Motor Wagon Company but not one on the Duryea Museum. Even if there was such an article, what would that have to do with artists? Please clarify. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I think the OP wants to add a mention of [1] to Single-artist museum. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Or possibly List of single-artist museums. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@JayneDuryea, do I understand it correctly that you want to add your museum at List of single-artist museums? The inclusion criteria for that list is that either the artist or the museum has a WP-article already, and afaict by a quick googling, neither subject meets the requirements of the WP:NOTABILITY policy atm. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes! A Single-artist Museum. JayneDuryea (talk) 20:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Of course, google doesn't know all. Some interesting hits on ProQuest, but no WP:N-jackpot. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Infobox civil conflict vs civilian attack

Is there any guidance on when to use Template:Infobox civil conflict vs. Template:Infobox civilian attack? I'm having trouble discerning a logical, consistent pattern in their usage across many articles. Brusquedandelion (talk) 17:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

The first is intended to be used to summarize information about a particular civil conflict (for example, protest, strike, clash with police) in a standard manner, as specified in the template's documentation. The latter is to be used when there is an attack on a civilian community (for example, a bombing). I hope that makes sense to you! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Policy re: content across different Wikipedias

I understand that the projects under the Wikimedia umbrella all have their own policies, so what is acceptable on one project may not be allowed on another. My question is: do we have a link to an article or essay specifically talking about this? I checked Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and similar but couldn't find one. I would like to provide a link to the user who made this semi-protected edit request as they appear to believe that we are required to make changes to an article to align with another project. Mokadoshi (talk) 23:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I would say (in my reply there) Wikipedia:Other Stuff Exists, is the best you have, the spirit of that policy still applies. Geardona (talk to me?) 00:09, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! And this is the first time I've posted in Teahouse (that I remember). Is this the right place for policy questions like this? I'm aware of WP:VPP but it looked like that is for more in-depth discussions than my own. Mokadoshi (talk) 00:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

This is a good page for stuff like this! Geardona (talk to me?) 00:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey ummm the giraffe article does not include the one with no spots

? Dr Jackson is not rweal (talk) 16:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

? ltb d l (talk) 17:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Dr Jackson is not rweal You have already commented at Talk:Giraffe, which is the correct venue. That's a featured article with over 400 watchers, so someone who is interested should respond soon. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

K thxs Dr Jackson is not rweal (talk) 01:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

draft question

would someone here advise me about a draft in my sandbox? I have been attempting a page and think I am getting close. User:WikiTikiTavi63/sandbox WikiTikiTavi63 (talk) 02:28, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

(1) First published in January 1952. Number 117 on the all-time bestselling children's books. For encyclopedic purposes, you need sentences, which (to simplify matters a lot) start with a subject and proceed with a predicate, the predicate including a verb. For example, "It was first published in January 1952". (2) The matter of "the all-time bestselling children's books" comes with a reference. Now, I realize that the US has a large, literate population with disposable income; but I'm surprised that all the bestselling children's books have English-language titles. So the source seems dodgy to me. Are these really the "All-Time Bestselling Children's Books"? (3) What have reliable sources had to say about this book? (4) Karissareadsbooks.com seems to be a personal website; how is it a reliable source? (5) We read that Karissa is the author's first name; what makes you think that her surname is Reads? (6) What criterion for notability does this draft pass? -- Hoary (talk) 03:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

thanks for your input. I will keep working. WikiTikiTavi63 (talk) 03:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

This appears to be intended as an article about a book. As such, the plot description is far, far too long, and everything else is too short. What is missing is more information on the author and the illustrator (did they do other books together?), the publisher, and the series that this book is part of. David notMD (talk) 03:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

How can í report vandalism?

User Robinvp11 on the Seven Years war page removed a list of belligerents, and removed lots of useful info. His excuses? For the belligerents, they sáid that they where not part of the war even though they where. He removed a quote by Winston Churchill who he claimed was a “bad historian” most of the editing is largley opinnated. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 01:43, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248: ~~Can you see the wp:ani? I hope it can help you.~~ --호로조 (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@호로조: Please don't tell people to immediately go to the ANI when there hasn't been appeared to be any significant discussion on the relevant talk pages. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Tenryuu and Blackmamba31248: Oh my, I really didn't mean that he should go ANI for EW without discussion. I apologize for my slip. --호로조 (talk) 04:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

how to rename the sandbox

My sandbox is in titled "User:Anisyfqh/Sandbox" but I want to change it its own title about the article itself, how do I do this? Anisyfqh (talk) 01:55, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Anisyfqh: I don't know exactly what you want, but I got you want to create a subpage like User:Anisyfqh/foo. --호로조 (talk) 02:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Note to hosts: Anisyfqh moved User:Anisyfqh/sandbox themselves, after which it was WP:BLAR'd. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

How to revert a reversion?

I was make a mistake and reverted four edits of new user Newyork30. At first glance, they seemed identical and inappropriate to me. But now I realize that I was too quick to assume, because the language was from the cited source and the connection is the voice artist. I apologized to the user, but I don't know how to proceed. Can I revert my undo? Or does the user revert the revert? OrtusSolis (talk) 07:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey, there. You can try self-reverting your edits. Also, you may want to read Help:Reverting. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 08:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Request for help adding reliable sources to contentious article

I have tried to add reliable sources to the article Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_2023_Israeli_attack_on_Gaza). The sources cited were NYT, Guardian, and Reuters. These sources were removed and I was warned that the NYT is not reliable.

The article lacks neutral reliable sources and it appears impossible to add them.

In addition, one of the extremely active editors then posted on my own talk page, warning me that my account would be blocked.

I do not feel able to add sources to this article given the manner in which it is edited, but I think that in the interest of neutrality and accuracy it is important to do so.

I would be most grateful if an experienced editor could look at the edit history of the page in question and suggest a way forward.

Thank you Eli185.2 (talk) 15:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Have you considered trying to discuss it at Talk:Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I will try to discuss improving the article by adding accurate information with reliable sources from a neutral point of view on the article's talk page, but, frankly, given what I've observed thus far, I'm not optimistic. Eli185.2 (talk) 09:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Adding an article

Hi, i've been trying to add a brief article about an 86 year old painter, in my town. His name is Bernard Bergman. He has had an aventurous life, I drafted it in sanbox, but it was declined. I can't quite understand why. I added links and references to it. I will add what I wrote below:

(text of article removed for clarity, link to page is User:Concepts by Jones/sandbox)

Concepts by Jones (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

See WP:YFA for help there is no usable encyclopaedic content in your draft. Theroadislong (talk) 09:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok thank you. I will take a look 2A02:A44A:9354:1:35D2:7554:15A1:109A (talk) 09:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I recommend reading Wikipedia:Notability, which is linked in the decline message, as well as Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Remsense诉 09:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Concepts by Jones. I hate to be cruel, but User:Concepts by Jones/sandbox is pretty much the exact opposite of what an actual encyclopedia article should look like. It is highly promotional, violating the Neutral point of view. It is unreferenced, violating Verifiability. And it is packed with your own original observations and conclusions, violating No original research. Wikipedia has three core content policies and you have violated all three of them. Please read and study Your first article, and start over. Good luck. Cullen328 (talk) 09:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Cullen328 Your not cruel at all. I love to write about 'unique' people. Just haven't been invested in the rules of Wikipedia. I'll get studying. Thanks ;)! 2A02:A44A:9354:1:35D2:7554:15A1:109A (talk) 10:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Your question has been answered at length at the Help desk. Please keep the discussion in one place to conserve volunteer effort.Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

need assistance in creating a wiki article

hello can anyone help me wiht creating an article on wikipedia please i want to create an article for an NGO AutismConnect (talk) 10:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Is it an NGO you are personally associated with? If so, you have a conflict of interest and are thus strongly discouraged from writing about on Wikipedia. Remsense诉 10:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

i wanted to creat an wikipedia page for the NGO the NGO Management asked me to AutismConnect (talk) 10:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Please show your management this page, which is written to explain why having articles written for them doesn't usually help organizations. Remsense诉 11:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

thanks but i have to create the page for the NGO please help AutismConnect (talk) 11:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

You are strongly discouraged from editing with a conflict of interest, and have to follow all the regular guidelines when doing so. I recommend you follow the instructions on the page I linked, and show it to management. Remsense诉 11:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

thank you so much i have created the page and submitting it for review now hope it will get created if it gets then i will be reliefe AutismConnect (talk) 11:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Your AutismConnect account is blocked because the name implies the organization. You can change the name - per info on your Talk page - or abandon it and start a new account. The new name could be something like Bob at AutismConnect if you prefer to keep AC in the name. There is no creation of a draft attributed to your AutismConnect account. Was that created without being logged in, or already using another account? David notMD (talk) 12:43, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

The way for lack of competence users to contribute the English Wikipedia?

Administrators noticeboard, Footwiks,_competence_is_required,_and_copyvio

I felt sorry while reading this request. Above all, it seems that a user tried to contribute in good faith in some way.

I'm contributing to Russian Wiktionary by translating example sentence from a language I can speak to Russian. I don't know it's useful. But I'd like to ask for an opinion. Create a subpage where they translate referances from their native language into English. Use quotation= or {{harvnb}}: "quotation" (translation) format in articles.

English contributors select sentences that they need or request, and English native speaker correct them if they sound awkward. and then delete the sentence from subpage. Through this, we can see the sentence that was left out.

Sorry for my clumsy English or inappropriate if you feel. 호로조 (talk) 02:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. This question is probably better asked at Russian Wiktionary, but my common sense answer is 'no', since your sentences would then need manual review, adding to an already backlogged workload for volunteers. (this would be no better than translating the sentences via machine and editing the result) Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple: Thank you for your kind comment, but it's an example to say Russian Wiktionary. It's not question about Russian Wiktionary. Anyway, can I then add directly translation on quotation like

<ref>{{harvnb|hamseter & pigeon|2024}}"die Studie stellte sich heraus Hamster ist eine kleine Maus" (the study turned out hamster is a small mouse)</ref>

without other contributor's review? --호로조 (talk) 02:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC) 호로조 (talk) 02:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

You may wish to read Help:Translation (especially the last section), Wikipedia:Translate us, and Wikipedia:Content translation tool. Generally, whether or not aided by translation programs, Wikipedia editors translating from one language to another need to be fairly fluent in both of them, otherwise they may not notice when the program has 'misunderstood' something in the source, or rendered something incorrectly in the target. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.44.161 (talk) 07:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I think your comment is an exact answer to what I meant. In evaluating the appropriateness of a translation, one needs not only knowledge of English but also familiarity with the language itself. I realize I may have overlooked that point. Thank you for sharing your insights :) --호로조 (talk) 12:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@호로조: We can always use more eyes at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. Lectonar (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Lectonar: This is so nice of you. Thanks. --호로조 (talk) 12:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Archived Teahouse Questions

Is it possible to read archived Teahouse Questions? I received valuable feedback to my question. Had I known it would be deleted or archived I would have saved the page as a PDF for future reference.

Thank you, Puzzledrat (talk) 14:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

RE: my_WP_page_submission%3A_a_simple_reference_tool_for_readers_of_the_novel_Infinite_Jest

Puzzledrat (talk) 14:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Puzzledrat: Please see Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1217#RE: my WP page submission: a simple reference tool for readers of the novel Infinite Jest. --CiaPan (talk) 14:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

You can find it by putting a significant part of the title you seek in the 'Search Help' form close to the top of this page. Enclose your query contents in quotation marks so that you get pages with that phrase, otherwise you'll get a list of pages containig any of the given words in any order. Compare the results of searching "simple reference tool for readers" with quotation marks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22simple+reference+tool+for+readers%22

and without them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=simple+reference+tool+for+readers

CiaPan (talk) 14:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Sources that help to establish notability

Hi there, I'm relatively new to wiki and have a rather general question. I met this problem several times in editing. Does a government report significantly mentioning a tech project contributes to establish the project's notability, given that they are not related? Is it a secondary source? YvonneNo1 (talk) 04:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

YvonneNo1, if it merely mentions the subject, that contributes very little to establishing notability. If it contains in-depth discussion of the subject, that does indeed help.Maproom (talk) 14:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

How do i upload a picture with my text and citation?

New user of Wikipedia, and recently tried contributing to some pages. The question is around how to upload a picture with the text and citation to any page? ReaderAlvarez (talk) 02:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

First, ReaderAlvarez, you upload a picture at commons:Special:UploadWizard, paying close attention to the questions and answering them carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 03:07, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@ReaderAlvarez Assuming you took the picture and hence are entitled to upload and license it, then the next steps are described in full at H:PICTURES. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

JelloApocalypse Lovely Complex incident brought me here, so I ask about the questions related Zombie Land Saga

*Did Minami Tanaka, the Japanese voice actress of Lily lie to the fans about the reveal in the interview? She also talks about a subtle touch to the acting of Lily, in which the Lily seen in flashbacks wore glasses as a boy, but Lily's glasses were gone after Lily began dressing like a girl. True or false?

She actually always says Lily is a boy, a crossdresser, and even an otokonoko over 9000 times since the producer of Zombie Land Saga said it in Animage magazine. Is it true?

*What are the similarities between JelloApocalypse's Lovely Complex script and Crunchyroll's infamous subtitle of Zombie Land Saga episode 8? 182.2.167.132 (talk) 13:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Wrong venue. Please take this to the talk page or Wikipedia:Reference desk. Wolverine XI ^{(den • 🐾)} 13:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Which talk page? Zombie Land Saga or Lovely Complex ? 182.2.167.132 (talk) 13:37, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Please don't take this to the article talk page. It is inappropriate per WP:TALK. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

What about my own talk page? 182.2.167.132 (talk) 13:40, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Also no. Wikipedia is not a forum. Industrial Insect (talk) 16:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Producer notability guidelines

Hello. I am a fairly new editor, having joined only a few days ago. I am interested in making an article for the producer Ruuben, who most notably was a producer for Last Last which was nominated for a Grammy and received platinum certifications in eight countries, as well as two albums by Gettomasa which received awards at the Emma-gaala (Finnish equivalent to Emmy). WP:MUSIC doesn't seem to have any information regarding producers, so I am wondering if this would be an appropriate case to make an article on this. PunchboxNET (talk) 15:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@PunchboxNET When there isn't specific guidance on notability, then for people's biography there is general advice at WP:NBIO. You might also like to read WP:BACKWARD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I am also curious what the notability guidelines for record labels are. Are they the same as company notability guidelines? PunchboxNET (talk) 16:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

yes that would be WP:NCORP. Theroadislong (talk) 16:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

It was drafted, then disappeared... I personally can't submit...

I spruced up an article that someone wrote about me, added references, cleaned up wording etc.

Now I fear I won't be able to publish because "blatent self promotion".

If somebody, anybody would be willing to make an article, it's all typed up and formatted at this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gO54cZRcKTI_yf-AfMeC_g0UKmb0BnctC-j9GNSlrK4

Or just bookmark for after I die, either way is fine :P '==== sits back in an imaginary recliner ====' 4everwreckliner (talk) 11:44, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

There is is no usable content there, we require content to have been published in a reliable independent source. Theroadislong (talk) 12:05, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

There is no existing Wikipedia article for C.R. Kunferman. Was it submitted as a draft - perhaps uswing a different account - and then Speedy deleted? What you posted at that hyperlink is not Wikipedia-ready. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to be Boswell to your Johnson. Attempts at autobiography are advised against but not forbidden, often attempted, almost always fail (see WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 12:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Wording such as "Kunferman's innovative contributions across multiple disciplines have had a significant impact. His work in digital art and music, combined with his contributions to web technology, have helped shape the landscape of many industries. Furthermore, his research in mathematics and cryptography has offered fresh insights and fueled ongoing academic discourse. As such, Kunferman's unique perspective and interdisciplinary approach have earned him recognition and respect worldwide, establishing him as a vital figure in digital art, music, and research." is blatantly self-promotional and correctly Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your professional advisement. I was not the original author of the article, I just added references, and did some editing. I believe everybodywiki hosts a copy that was pulled from drafts which I followed originally to see the rejection reasons for the draft. @Theroadislong As far as usable content there is 3rd party references to everything, which I was able to track down and provide to the article which had disappeared.

@David notMD

If I was looking to have someone Boswell to my Johnson I would have paid one of the numerous companies that garuntee an article submission for around $400-600. While I admit my ego got boosted by some of the words, I deliberately didn't go a autobiographing or making self blatent promotion statements. I posted here in the hopes someone might have a discussion about edits or ways to improve the article. Maybe get advised on who I can speak to about getting it published... Not get "insert wikipedia editor thread slang here showing a specific type of overusage" deleted.

I would suggest a copy and paste into your sandboxes before making such judgements. It may be easier to read. 4everwreckliner (talk) 14:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Note to anyone scrolling through the archives: anyone guaranteeing an article for pay is a scammer. The scam warning at WP:SCAM has more details. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:44, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

We do not "require content to have been published in a reliable independent source"; indeed, most such content cannot be republished here. We generally require content to be original; but to be cited to sources that have been published in a reliable independent sources. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

My apologies for the sloppy wording. Theroadislong (talk) 16:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

After consideration of the responses, I will be tracking down the original author and avoiding the teahouse for further advice. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4everwreckliner (talk • contribs) 14:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Possible COI and sockpuppeting on Article for Deletion

Hi! I'm relatively new to editing here and this is my first time reaching out in the Teahouse. I've nominated an article for deletion and received some odd feedback: the article is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Skyeskyns, a tannery. The first reply shared a personal story related to the tannery and was from a user who only edits that page, which makes me suspect a conflict of interest. The second reply came from a new account created just five minutes after the first comment, created only to comment on the deletion discussion, leading me to suspect it's a sockpuppet account named User:20Silkcut The third comment also came from a user who has likewise only made that one comment. All three responded by putting the keep vote in ==heading== style rather than the usual bold, making me think they could all be from the same person.

So my question is, what to do in this situation? The deletion nomination hasn't had any other eyes on it so with three keeps it'll probably stay. Can I report the accounts as sockpuppets even if they only have one post each? It's not much to go off.

Curiously the Skyeskyns page was started with a band as the topic before abruptly being changed to reflect a tannery.

InDimensional (talk) 18:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

This is odd. Brokeback Range made numerous edits to the article while it was about a band, then on February 26th of this year hijacked it himself to make it about a tannery. Whatever the merits of either version, I cannot condone the hijacking, and will revert that. Maproom (talk) 18:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

A question of translations

Today I've been working on User:CommissarDoggo/Grigory Sverdlin and User:CommissarDoggo/Idite Lesom, and I came across an interesting dilemma. I posed it to the Discord, but the answer was inconclusive yet slanted towards the more commonly used name.

I'm wondering whether to use "Go by the Forest" (the more commonly used name for Idite Lesom, see the numerous sources on User:CommissarDoggo/Grigory Sverdlin#Go by the Forest), or whether to use "Get Lost" (which is used by a couple sources but, more importantly, the English translation of their official website: [2]https://iditelesom.org/en/).

Additionally, "Get Lost" seems to more be a tongue-in-cheek similarity according to [3]https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-georgia-evading-draft/32375122.html; "The name, Go by the Forest, is a play on words, a reference to the covert nature of its work but also a popular Russian idiom understood across the former Soviet Union to mean 'Get lost!'"

I suppose I'm hoping for some sort of policy that's hiding out there to answer the question, as I am somewhat torn while also leaning towards the more commonly used name. Thanks in advance. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind, I am a foolish fool who used the exact title of the policy exactly three times. If I said it into a mirror that many times it would probably slap me. See: WP:COMMONNAME CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Articles getting tag of WP:COI

I joined Wikipedia sometime ago for the purpose of learning and contribution, and I have learned a lot. Few hours ago, a new editor, had started to tag a series of pages I have contributed to with WP:COI, two of them are pages that I have created, S/he/they have also nominated one of my article for deletion. (Which I will respond to in accordance with Wikipedia policies.)

I have always find the community supportive and helpful, and I have always been grateful for it. I have tried my best to follow the Wikipedia guidelines and norms to the letter. However, I do know that I have a lot to learn, is there something that I have done wrong? how can I prove something that doesn't exists? That is me having COI with any of my contributions? I can use some help. Thank you.

P.S. the pages are Jim Kalafat, and Bettina Rodriguez Aguilera. Other page are on which I had edited on. All are tagged by the same editor. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 23:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ms.Aloisia, welcome to Teahouse. I've seen the edits by the user and they are a bit concerning, but it is important to assume good faith. The majority of the time these conflicts are caused by a misunderstanding between two people with the same goal: to improve Wikipedia. I would recommend you start a discussion on the Talk page for the other editor so we can all figure out why they are making these changes to so many articles. Mokadoshi (talk) 23:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mokadoshi, thank you for the response and advice. I will start a discussion, on their talk page. I do assume good, I thought I did something wrong. Hopefully, its just a misunderstanding. Thank you so much. :) Ms.Aloisia (talk) 23:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I guess this isn't a problem anymore now that the user was indefinitely blocked. Mokadoshi (talk) 02:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I just saw it. Does this mean that we could revert his/her tags? and does it also mean that the pages that were deleted as a result will be restored? Ms.Aloisia (talk) 15:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Which pages were deleted? Mokadoshi (talk) 16:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

The new editor appointed some other pages the day before, among which some were deleted. I don't know if they were actually Qualified for deletion or not. Many Experienced editors had the discussion on deletion. But it looked like they were ignoring the very fundamentals of Wiki while discussing deletion. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 16:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Of course I am new and still learning, I don't know if commenting there would be good or I'd be making a fool out of myself. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 16:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I brought up the potentially problematic behavior on the deletion review page. As for your article being nominated for deletion, unfortunately I am not knowledgeable about this enough to give my opinion on it. Biographies of living people (BLPs) are very complex, it is not enough to have references, there are a ton of specific notability rules for BLPs that I'm not familiar with. I will say that as someone who recently nominated an article for deletion and had my nomination opposed, I strongly believe that the people there know what they're doing. I know it can be disappointing, my second article ever was AfD'd, but I hope that doesn't discourage you. There are millions of articles that could be improved upon or written about, and if you'd like, feel free to start a discussion on my Talk page and I can give you some suggestions on improvements you might be interested in making. Mokadoshi (talk) 17:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Mokadoshi Sure. Thank you a lot. I know its a temporary effect, which will heal with time. I would be glad to approach you and learn from you in the future. Thank you. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 21:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Bertrand Meniel submission rejection (not published yet)

In writing the essay for Bertrand Meniel, the article was rejected because it lacked reliable sources. But I have many links (some to existing pages in wikipedia) and footnotes. In Talk Utopia suggested that I create a resourse list, but I don't know what that is, how to do it, and how that is different from the links and footnotes I provided. Any help greatly appreciated.

I can't provide a link to the article because it isn't published. Fracy Pants (talk) 19:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Bertrand Meniel (The draft was declined, not rejected, and the reviewer left feedback on the article) Geardona (talk to me?) 19:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Using the visual editor, you can use the "cite" button to insert a citation in the text, I have left an example there (most recent edit). Geardona (talk to me?) 19:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Fracy Pants: In addition to the feedback left on your draft, you may find it useful to review WP:N and WP:RS. In particular, other Wikipedia pages are not suitable for use as sources. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Meisel Gallery is a primary source so cannot be used to establish any notability, they would need to pass the criteria at WP:NARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 21:43, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I've somehow gotten a topicon stuck to the top of my user page

See my user page for what I mean. You'll notice that in spite of not having {{Template:Apprentice Editor topicon}} anywhere on my user page anymore, it's still there.

The Template:Apprentice Editor topicon is stuck at the top, and still shows up at the very bottom - while I've removed it from the page, it still shows up at both the top of the page and in the little "Templates used in this preview" section. Is it stuck there forever? Am I just missing some crucial step in purging my page of this topicon?

I feel a little dumb asking, but it really is just. Stuck there. Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance! Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 21:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Schrödinger's jellyfish: Looks like it's in User:Schrödinger's jellyfish/Userbox/First barnstar topicon, which is transcluded at the bottom of your userpage. Tollens (talk) 21:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Fixed now. Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 21:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Copyediting Backlog Drive Word Count

From what I have read, copyediting is not just about adding words. It can be as simple as changing an "i" to "I". It can even be removing words and even sentences in order to make the article more readble. However, the backlog elimination drives judges progress by wordcount, how does that work if you remove words from an article? Do you still get credited for that in your wordcount? MrBauer24 (talk) 21:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @MrBauer24, welcome to the Teahouse. This is something to ask those running the drive; you could start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/March 2024. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 21:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

(longtime GOCE member) @MrBauer24: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1218. As the IP editor above says, please ask any future questions about the backlog drive at the link provided. To answer your immediate question, we use the wordcount before any work is done on the article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Elegant solution

Hello! I'm currently editing the Star Wars page, and am looking for help with some formatting. If you scroll down to the Cast section, you will see that the blurb beginning with "Harrison Ford as Han Solo" includes a massive list of names of actors who reportedly auditioned for the role. I'd like to create a more elegant way of formatting this information. Perhaps some or all of the names should go into an endnote? Wafflewombat (talk) 06:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps the guidelines at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film might help. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 07:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, but unfortunately there isn't anything helpful on that page. I'm going to try putting the information in an endnote. Do you know how to insert citations into an endnote? Wafflewombat (talk) 08:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Also, I noticed you reformatted some citations, removing the links to YouTube. If it's not appropriate to put the YouTube links in those citations, could you tell me where would be an appropriate place in the article to provide those links? It's helpful for editors to know that the documentaries referenced are available online and not just on DVDs. Wafflewombat (talk) 08:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

You can always take a look at Wikipedia:Nesting footnotes or Help:Footnotes for the footnotes, and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#YouTube for the YouTube links. Hope this helps. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 08:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I figured out how to do the footnote. Wafflewombat (talk) 09:30, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Are you sure your most recent revision of the citations is correct? A previous version made it clear that the Empire of Dreams documentary is on a DVD in a Star Wars DVD set, but your newest version omits this information. If we're not providing the link to YouTube, it seems we should make it clear where the documentary can be found, and where it originated. As far as I can tell, it's only available online and as part of a Star Wars set, and it's not a separate product on its own DVD, as the citation seems to imply. Wafflewombat (talk) 10:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Citation templates, we can use the Cite AV media template can be used for audio and visual works (such as films, television productions, documentaries, audio commentaries, etc.). Also, if we have any questions regarding film-related articles in general (Star Wars included), we can try asking the talk page for the Film WikiProject. They might also be able to help. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:31, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, these are helpful resources. Unrelated question: Why are you using the word "we" instead of "you" when replying to my questions? I'm not judging you, I just find it a little odd. Wafflewombat (talk) 23:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I sometimes use "we" and "you" when replying to different questions. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Article on book

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § Article on book

– —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hai, I would like to know about policies regarding articles about books? Only those books that are discussed in reliable sources deserve to have an article, right? In other words, "being published" doesn't mean it can have an article, right? Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Echo1Charlie Yes, we say that topics need to be wikinotable. See that link for details regarding books. Even discussion in reliable sources is not enough: all the criteria of the golden rules need to be met. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Echo1Charlie (talk) 04:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Constructive

What does it mean when they say your page was not constructive Kaboom Holy (talk) 08:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kaboom Holy – your edit was undone because the page already redirected to an article on the same topic, meaning that readers will automatically be shown the existing article. Adding content to the redirect page makes it hard for readers to find information and hard for editors to maintain, because there are two different versions of the same page. You might be interested in contributing directly to Jehovah instead. Tollens (talk) 08:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

R LECLERC Article Answer to Collin Fine

Ok Collin, i will read your informations, as well as possible ....and revisit, edit the text or add the good reference I Will "epure" the redaction if it 's needed ? 69.159.105.37 (talk) 22:09, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Pinging ColinFine, whose username is misspelled above. OP, what does "epure" mean? I do not recognize that as an English language word. Cullen328 (talk) 00:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

If French (which is likely, since they wrote informations), it means 'purge'. Mathglot (talk) 01:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

More something like "refine" in this context, me thinks, but it might be both: purge or refine. "making pure" would be the literal translation. Lectonar (talk) 09:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Help With SIGCOV

I recently had an article Draft:Ohene Kwame Frimpong declined due to significant coverage. The article however has 22 references that speak to the subject in some detail. What else could I be doing wrong? Any assistance is deeply appreciated. Heatrave (talk) 00:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I suspect (but don't know for sure, as I haven't checked them) that most of the sources used do not qualify as Reliable sources by Wikipedia's standards. To do so, they have to have a reputation for, or appear to apply, editorial control and fact checking, rather than just be reprinting gossip pieces (which the titles of some suggest), and they must not be simply reprinting lightly (or un-) edited Public Relations releases from the subject or their associates, as some publications do, since those releases are not independent of the subject. Some may be News aggregators, that pull in articles from other websites, whereas Wikipedia would prefer the articles on the original publishing websites to be cited.

Assessing the quality of sources is an important aspect of creating articles: if in doubt, you can ask about particular sources at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.44.161 (talk) 02:10, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Heatrave I think that the problem is that you made the reviewers assessment very difficult because you added too many sources saying essentially the same thing, for example that Frimpong sponsored the construction of a mosque. Choose just one source for that fact (whichever covers him in most detail) and ditch the rest. Likewise for the other facts cited. I think he probably does meet WP:NBIO but as usual, quality sources are better than quantity. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Vung Tau Air Base

September of 1965 the 54th Aviation Air Mobile Fixed Wing known, at that time, as "Otter Air Service". Commanded by Maj. Hoey, their aircraft was the DeHavellin U1A Otter. I was a member of the unit. Sp5 Clyde R Ruble. 98.226.20.43 (talk) 15:30, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1218. If you have a published reliable source that supports that claim, it might be added to the Vung Tau Air Base article. Unfortunately Wikipedia cannot use memories as sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Actually Wikipedia can use memories as sources, if it is published by a reliable secondary source. Whatsoever, it may sometime vary case to case. Exclusive Editor _{Notify Me!} 15:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: Thanks for the clarification. I should've added unpublished before memories. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

How do i cite a default configuration file bundled with an Operating System?

While editing the macOS text editing shortcuts section of Table of keyboard shortcuts, I got a table of all available shortcuts by dumping the system default configuration file with plutil(1) (you may notice that I mentioned it to support my edits in the edit summary). I think it's beneficial to cite it in the article, but don't know how. WP:CITE has no mention of configuration files, a quick google search turned up nothing either, so I came here to ask. Hym3242 (talk) 18:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Hym3242: Please refer Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) for technical questions like this one. Regards, Exclusive Editor _{Notify Me!} 15:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I thought the Village pump technical was just for issues regarding wikitext, bots, infrastructure etc., since the banner says that it is used to "discuss technical issues about Wikipedia" Hym3242 (talk) 15:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Contents delete

Dear all: I was tryying to build a wikipedia page for my Professor, a distinguishe scientist anmd it was deleted. Is it not possible to add ordinary, non celebrity pages? It´s a renewed scientis. regards, NaRui Limanarui33 (talk) 11:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33 Wikipedia has many articles on scientists, from Isaac Newton to Carolyn Bertozzi. However, you placed your draft on your own Userpage, from where it has been speedily deleted. Please use the articles for creation process (see that link) but beware that creating an acceptable draft when you have no experience in writing here has a steep learning curve. Your main task is to demonstrate that the Professor is wikinotable and as you have a conflict of interest you may find it difficult to write in a neutral way as required. Also, you may only use reliable, published sources, not information your know only because of your studentship. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:36, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. I´ll try my best. The wikinotability can be proof by the dozens of awards thet reconize the expertise in the field. Limanarui33 (talk) 12:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33 We don't need "dozens of awards": the NACADEMIC criteria say The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level, so one will do. If the award is notable, there will be a Wikipedia article about it. You may find it helpful to read WP:BACKWARD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanky you for your help.李马蕊娜 Limanarui33 (talk) 15:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33 Rather than make what amounted to an absolutely massive CV listing everything they've ever done, but saying nothing, try instead to draft a short encyclopaedia article about this person that clearly explains and demonstrates their notability and states in your own words the fields in which they have made their achievements. You are best advised to create a draft and submit it for review. There is a 'Wizard' tool for this which you can find at THIS PAGE. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Public network

Hello folks! I hope u r doing well. I use Wikipedia from many Internet services. For example, I contribute to Wikipedia by connecting to my office's Wi-Fi, sometimes to my home's Wi-Fi, and sometimes to the University's library's Wi-Fi and even by connecting to the internet on my phone. Is there any wrong from this? Is this wrong? If it is wrong, what would be the right path? Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 19:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1218. There's nothing wrong with connecting to different networks to access Wikipedia. You may face a little more scrutiny from people if you were editing a particular page while logged out in different networks, leading some to think there might be some concerted effort to do something, but we assume good faith. Some users decide to create multiple accounts (for legitimate reasons), like an at-home account and an abroad account, but many choose to stay with one. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman I agree with @Tenryuu. I do (or have done) exactly the same. If using a shared computer, make sure you do not allow anyone else to login with your username and password. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks you @Nick Moyes and @Tenryuu! Actually, one more thing i want to added, This is my account logged into two different locations, logged into two different devices, and obviously two different networks that I would be contributing to. So should I put some kind of notice on my user page? I think there should be complete transparency so that no one gets confused. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 06:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Youknowwhoistheman: Almost nobody (only checkusers, and only under a very small set of circumstances) will be able to see that you use multiple networks anyways, so a notice like that is probably not very useful, though of course you could make one if you really want. Plenty of people use their account on multiple networks, and doing so is completely acceptable. I personally use my account on a very large number of networks, and haven't disclosed that at all, for instance. Tenryuu's comment about increased scrutiny is only about if you are logged out when you are editing from other networks, which doesn't seem to be the case with you. Tollens (talk) 08:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks you @Tollens, but let me tell you that my account is logged in only on 2 devices, and at two different locations, apart from this I have not logged in anywhere nor do I logout from these two devices. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 08:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

You have absolutely nothing to worry about. I often remain logged in on desktop and mobile, and used to do so on a work laptop too. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much @Nick Moyes! Cheers and Happy editing. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 19:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Ulster Scots

Is the Scots Wikipedia just in Lowland Scots or also in Ulster Scots? Ulster Scots Ireland (talk) 18:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Ye ken, ye could try asking on the actual Scots Wikipedia instead of this place (also we're trying to have articles reflect the dialect where possible, which includes Ulster Scots) CiphriusKane (talk) 18:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ulster Scots Ireland. The only place I can find on sco-wiki that even talks about dialect is sco:WP:ASQ, and it's really about Doric, and doesn't mention Ulster Scots.

I suggest you ask at sco:WP:Mercat Cross. ColinFine (talk) 20:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport reference issue

Hello. A small problem here that I hope you can fix. Go to Phoenix Sky Harbor Int'l Airport page, scroll down to Accidents and incidents section, 3/13/1990 incident, reference#99, NTSB final report, can't find proper URL for report, go to NTSB website, Accidents-Months, March 13, 1990. Thanks for your time and much appreciated.Theairportman33531 (talk) 16:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Here is the link to the article: Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Fixed @Theairportman33531:Citation to NTSB report PDF added. Exclusive Editor _{Notify Me!} 17:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, the provided url had died, but there was already an archive link, and all that really needed to be done was to change "url-status=live" to "url-status=dead". The link for the NTSB report is certainly more "official", but (at least, when I view it using chrome), it downloads the report rather than displaying it in the browser. However, using the archive link for this report conveniently just displays the official report. Well, too many cooks and all that, I'm not touching it. Fabrickator (talk) 18:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: I saw that there was an archive available, but I found that, after finding NTSB report, so just changed it. Exclusive Editor _{Notify Me!} 18:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

That Alaska Airline source was also a primary source. Exclusive Editor _{Notify Me!} 18:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Its all good now. Getting pdfs from NTSB.gov can be very complicated, there were issues, but now the report is now accessible. Thats all that matters. Thanks for everyones help.Theairportman33531 (talk) 18:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Actually, it's kind of annoying (at least when using a web browser) because of the "auto-download". This can be avoided by setting "url-status=deviated". Then it just shows straight up in the browser without saving a persistent copy in the local filesystem. Of course, you might want to make a note (perhaps just in the wikitext), that you're setting the url-status to deviated because accessing the archive copy is actually more convenient. Fabrickator (talk) 19:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: I had asked a related question just below before doing it. They say there is no guideline for it. Exclusive Editor _{Notify Me!} 19:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: I have just gone and fixed this as I proposed. If the user clicks on the link, it "just works" with no surprises, aside from being the archive copy. The original link remains available, but that results in the PDF download. Fabrickator (talk) 20:22, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Adventure stuck

I am running mission 1 of the Wikipedia adventure, but I can not proceed beyond the 'login or create an account' dialog page; none of the buttons, including the back arrow, have any effect at all. Mleaning (talk) 20:46, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Mleaning: Welcome to the teahouse. I am relatively new to wikipedia, but I think this kind of technical issue regarding the website experience may be better posted on Village pump (technical), where you may be more likely to get useful answers from web tech experts. Remember to provide more information on your problem like screenshots and steps to reproduce since your post at its current status may be hard for others to help you. Hym3242 (talk) 21:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Mleaning I'm afraid The Wikipedia Adventure has been getting flaky for quite some time, and I haven't personally been recommending it in recent years for that reason. I have managed to complete it in the past - sometimes involving a second try. Did you see the notice at the bottom of The Wikipedia Adventure giving some conditions under which it won't work (on mobiles and tablet, with Visual Editor, etc)? Let us know if any of these might apply to yourself.

I have left you a belated 'Welcome' message on your talk page. It contains a very useful set of links to getting started with editing, and an option to learn how to edit using Source Editor or Visual Editor, though you can readily swap between them to get the best of both worlds. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

why my articles are getting deleted?

i created an article for my book but it deleted because of COI, i added all the references and everything but it still got deleted, now i got two questions, the first one is why its getting deleted and second is, can i pay someone to make an article for me Mohamadhanijanaty85 (talk) 19:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Mohamadhanijanaty85 I, too, am the author of a book. But, until there are two or more detailed, independent mainstream reviews and discussions surrounding either of our works (or maybe some nice awards) then there can be no Wikipedia article about them. Our notability criteria for books can be found HERE. Anything else would be PROMOTION, which is not the purpose of this encyclopaedia.

It would be pointless trying to find someone to create an article about a non-notable book. Most people offering to create articles for money are simply scamming you, as the notability criteria are still the same, and so would fail if notability criteria were not met. Better to promote your book on a bespoke website or on social media. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

the problem is my book is notable and won one award but still i cant make an article for it Mohamadhanijanaty85 (talk) 20:36, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I did not see anything in your deleted draft to indicate that it met WP:NBOOKS. Feel free to supply a link to sources that show it received a notable award. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mohamadhanijanaty85. Note that if there is an article on your book (whoever writes it) it must be based almost entirely on independent reliable sources: not at all on what you or your associates say or want to say, but only on what people wholly unconnected with you have chosen to say about it - even if you dislike what they say. ColinFine (talk) 21:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Checking a source

I need to check a source and i haven't used the wikipedia library card tool before. I think i might be eligible. the source is an academic source, can anyone help me with that? Canadian Journal of Communication is the source i am trying to check on. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Iljhgtn, the Wikipedia Library is amazing, and I'm excited on your behalf that you're looking into it. What article are you looking for? Title or DOI would help. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

If you are eligible, you access it here:[4] No extra login needed. Try searching for the article title, perhaps on JSTOR. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I have the Wikipedia Library, but first, keep in mind that sources commonly have restrictions on what you can access, and second, each source seems to be idiosyncratic about how you do it. The only one I've figured out is jstor. For jstor, I prefix the document id (the part following "stable") with https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/. You need to be logged in with your Wikipedia userid when you do this. Fabrickator (talk) 18:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks everyone i think i figured it out. Iljhgtn (talk) 18:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: TWL also has integrated search tool which should help you find an article easily. If you need more help about using the library, try Navigating The Wikipedia Library with the help of the live demonstration given in this conversation by Sam Walton, a Product Manager at the WMF. ─ Aafī (talk) 18:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@TheAafi: Am I to understand that I need to watch a one-hour video? That's a serious barrier. Sure, being able to verify a claim and/or get additional insight is quite useful. Of course, most active editors are spending more time than that every day, but I'm really kind of leery. On the one hand, you're only getting access to a limited subset, you usually won't know until you try. And it also means that you might be avoiding either other ways to access this source or other sources that have comparable information. I'm also skeptical that I will probably need to go back and review the video, which will be very inconvenient.

I'd like to hear endorsements from people who can explain just how likely I am to be able to access the content that I'm looking for and how easy it really will be to access it based on the content of the video presentation. Fabrickator (talk) 19:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry @Fabrickator, if I missed anything. I should have said, the conversation demonstration should offer additional insights (beyond what one would be looking for). It features @Samwalton9 (WMF), who is also an admin on this project, and has worked as a Product Manager for the TWL project. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^{^(talk)} 20:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

FYI: Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no paywall, for thou, Wikipedia Library, art with me - this should also be helpful. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^{^(talk)} 20:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: In case you really can't access what you want through the Wikipedia library, try asking at WP:REX. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn The Wikipedia Library has lots of articles from the Canadian Journal of Communication available. There is no need to look at the video: I never have and I use the library all the time. If you provide a specification of the article you need (e.g. title/author/date/doi or whatever combination might uniquely define it), we can easily tell you if it is there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Ladies from Polish WIkipedia on English one?

Hello friends.

It hadn't escaped my notice that since some time, people on English Wikipedia want to create more articles about ladies, which are usually much less in number than those about men. Thus, there comes my question: would you like to me to translate some articles from Polish Wikipedia about Polish ladies? I kinda worry that because of differences in, let's say, perspective on reality, it could be considered less "encyclopedic" on English Wikipedia than on Polish.

Of course, I can be wrong, thus this post. If you would like them articles from PL Wikipedia, please, just say so.

[I would also need a Native English proofreader, as English is my second language, but I believe this could be done fairly easily].

Best wishes -- Kaworu1992 (talk) 22:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Kaworu1992 There is a specific project for this: see WP:WIRED. I'm sure they would value your input. Note that one issue is that English Wikipedia has more stringent notability guidelines than on some other-language wikis, so you need to be careful which articles you try to translate. See also WP:TRANSLATE for some general considerations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

.... note that we also have Category:Articles needing translation from Polish Wikipedia where you could look for biographies. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

CATCHPA

Hello,

I was trying to add to an article, and was prompted to complete a CATCHPA. I typed in the text correctly a number of times, and for whatever reason the system wouldn’t except my answer. What’s going on here? Aviationlover1 (talk) 22:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Aviationlover1 I don't know what the problem is but the work-around is to make another half-dozen edits (e.g. by creating your userpage): then you will be WP:AUTOCONFIRMed and the issue should disappear. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

How to make a page about myself

How to make a page about myself Slade Tynan (talk) 00:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll quote the start of your user page in the autohagiographic state it was in before I deleted it: "Slade Tynan [...] is not just an entrepreneur; he's a force of nature." (I've redacted your birthdate/place.) Simply, you're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 00:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Writing an article about yourself is highly discouraged. It's a clear-cut conflict of interest. Also, as a general note, you should not edit using ChatGPT or other large language models for a variety of reasons, better explained by the linked essay.

First and foremost, you have to be notable, and meet the general notability guidelines. You'll need significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources (and cite those sources). If you meet those guidelines, you'd then have to understand how to edit with a conflict of interest and accept that the article cannot be promotional in nature. Your user page, and content of your user talk page, are nowhere near what an article can even look like. An article like Ryan Gosling is a good article showing you what encyclopedic tone looks like. I hope this helps. Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 00:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

If despite all this advice, you want to try, the WP:YFA explains how to create and submit a draft to a reviewer. Every fact you put in the draft must be supported be a reference. What you about yourself as true cannot be in a draft unless people with no connection to you have written about you. David notMD (talk) 00:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Please do not make a page about yourself. Remsense诉 00:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

What was Speedy deleted from your User page and deleted from your Talk page is exactly what Wikipedia is not. You are a non-famous teenager. David notMD (talk) 01:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Page Creation

Hello, I have launched a new podcast and I have tried to create a wikipedia page. Its sole purpose is to help underprivileged youth. I am trying to create a wikipedia page so when parents and younger people google it they can find information on the guests and the podcast. However, wikipedia said my page was not acceptable as it may be seen as advertising. I just want a place to share important and notable facts. Anyone have any ideas? Cgrinning (talk) 23:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately you will have trouble making an article on your podcast until it is discussed by independent, reliable sources. For now, you will probably fare better in your goals if you create a website or blog to host information on your podcast. Recon rabbit 23:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cgrinning. I'm afraid that what you are trying to do is precisely what Wikipedia means by promotion: telling the world about something. Wikipedia will record only things that the world has already taken note of (which is why we use the word "notable", though it unfortunately often misleads people). It doesn't matter how laudable your project is, you may not use Wikipedia to promote it. ColinFine (talk) 23:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Cgrinning: Wikipedia is not a publicity medium and should never, ever, be used that way. Furthermore, see Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Personal information is a security risk for individual

Hello. If a wikipedia page about an individual contains personal information that poses a serious security risk, how can that information be removed without other editors restoring/undoing the edit? KelaineB (talk) 01:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for oversight, you can fill in the form, or directly use the email address there. Shaws username . talk . 01:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Posting a Draft and Deleting the Redirect

Hello, I want to ask you all something.

I was going to create an article called Expectation (EP), and I was redirected to the singer's main page to his discography section.

I tried to open the redirect and found a draft already created by a user, but it hasn't been finished yet, so I tried to complete it and it seems ready to go.

Now, I'm confused, how can I post the draft into the mainspace while deleting the redirect so it leads to the full article? There's so many notifications about this and I don't know where to start.

Thank you in advance! Ghazlan-airplanes (talk) 05:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ghazlan-airplanes I've added a 'Submit for review' button to that draft. It looks OK, but I've very little experience of music notability matters. So, by submitting it for review, someone else will be able to sort the redirect issues out for yu. when/if it's accept.ed That might be preferable to deleting a redirect and then subsequently discovering that it's not notable and having to sort thresulting e mess out yourself. The only downside is that it can take some time for a reviewer to get around to assessing the draf

I might have suggested pinging the original creator of the draft (User:Bostonite01310) to inform them of your intentions, but I see they've not been active since they started the draft last November. So, it's hardly necessary, I feel. Hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Request for article

Hello everyone, especially those near the Equator. I was requested by an engineer on how they could have their work shared on wikipedia following a milestone of refurbishing an old site. I am only an editor and have no contribution privileges. Can someone advise on they can be helped? Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 11:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gavin Ngabonziza: Can you please clarify what you mean by "contributing their work"? If their work is notable enough to get significant press coverage, then an article could be written based on what those sources say. Is that what you trying to do, or something else?--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello Gronk, the person has had press coverage for his work on a world war 2 memorial stadium. And other notable achievements. I don't have the rights to add his profile or article on the work hence the request for help. 41.84.196.195 (talk) 12:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) @Gavin Ngabonziza Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not publish descriptions of something new: its purpose is to be an encyclopaedia of topics already published elsewhere in reliable sources, which can include newspapers. So, if the engineering has been written about already, it may be possible to summarise this for Wikipedia. You don't really give enough information to allow better advice: for example, what is the site? Do we already have an article about the site where information could be added? Note that you have the same privileges as anyone else to contribute here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Michael, the project has articles published in newspapers and blogs. It was the reconstruction of a world war II memorial stadium in Uganda named Nakivubo War Memorial Stadium and the Engineer was the head. He is mentioned in this article.

[5]https://www.newvision.co.ug/category/news/nakivubo-stadium-developer-makes-further-stri-NV_171130

Nakivubo Stadium [6]https://www.newvision.co.ug/category/sports/museveni-to-commission-nakivubo-stadium-NV_174593

[7]https://nilepost.co.ug/news/181499/new-ham-nakivubo-stadium-almost-ready 41.84.196.195 (talk) 12:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gavin Ngabonziza (Please log in when you comment). As I suspected, Wikipedia already has an article about Nakivubo Stadium. This includes a section about a 2017 renovation. I suggest you add further content there, backed up by newspaper sources. We don't like blogs (see WP:BLOG). Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

.... I doubt that the stadium engineer himself would merit an article: he would need to be shown to be wikinotable as defined at this link, for which a couple of small mentions in articles about the stadium would not be enough. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

My request was an article on the work of the chief engineer under the refurbishment program. That's the new article I wanted to put up. 41.84.196.195 (talk) 12:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I can say on whether he is meritable for an article or otherwise. Just like the head of funding for the refurbishment It wouldn't be bad to recognise another party as well. 41.84.196.195 (talk) 12:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Gavin Ngabonziza, you say, or ask: "I was requested by an engineer on how they could have their work shared on wikipedia": How? Well, the engineer works hard, and perhaps eventually their work becomes much commented on in reliable sources. If this happens, somebody may want to create an article about the engineer, without receiving any request to do so. Or more likely this won't happen, because after all it doesn't happen for most engineers (just as it doesn't for most doctors, most pilots, most restaurateurs, most judges, etc). Anyway, Wikipedia can't be a PR conduit for an engineer (or a doctor, a pilot, a restaurateur, a judge, etc). When reliable sources exist, anyone (for example you) would be free to use them to create Draft:Ivan Ssewankambo and to submit this for promotion to article status. (No particular "contributor status" would be required.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:22, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

He has been mentioned a couple of times like here

But thanks for taking the time to reply. 😊 41.84.196.195 (talk) 13:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

How do you submit the draft for promotion to article status? I just tried to put something together but I don't know what to do next. Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 02:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

https://w.wiki/9Q7D That's the link t the draft. Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 02:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Ivan Ssewankambo

You can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft, but as it is it's almost certainly going to be declined for looking too much like a CV and a complete absence of references. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

What kind of references are needed? I've added organizations and newspaper articles, I don't want to have a conflict of interest 102.222.234.64 (talk) 02:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gavin Ngabonziza: Please be logged in when replying to this.

I don't want to have a conflict of interest
— User:102.222.234.64 02:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

You already have as you stated

I was requested by an engineer on how they could have their work shared on wikipedia following a milestone of refurbishing an old site.
— User:Gavin Ngabonziza 11:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, there are exactly zero references in your current draft. Please read WP:REFB and note that for biographies of living people it is mandatory that any material likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. Please also remove all external links in the text: see WP:ELBODY. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

How to make a best contributor

I wantthe best contributor o wikipedia. Wikilovery (talk) 09:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Wikilovery Welcome to the Teahouse. That is a noble aim and you should read the pages linked from your Talk Page to learn how to do that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Wikilovery. I have left you a welcome message on your userpage with some useful links to help get you started on your Wikipedia adventure. The best advice is similar to beginning driving. Start slowly; learn the rules of the road before setting off, and don't be too ambitious until you know what you're doing. So, start by making small improvements to existing articles first. Thn maybe add citations (= references) to support factual statements which could be challenged, before trying anything too ambitious. I don't know if English is your mother tongue but, judging by the wording of your question here, do take extra care to ensure anything you add is well-written and correctly spelled. Attention to detail is important, as it can be frustrating to find one's first edits reverted for one reason or another. If that happens, don't get upset, but feel free to ask the reverting editor what mistake they felt you have made. That helps flatten the 'learning curve', which can be quite steep for a new editor.

Remember that there are over 300 language versions of Wikipedia. So, if your mother tongue is not English, you could find it easier to contribute there first. Wishing you well on your Wikipedia journey! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, to start with, you've written one sentence with a mere seven words, and you've made three obvious errors in it. So my first bit of advice would be to write with a bit more care, and proofread before you publish. Uporządnicki (talk) 11:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Notifying deletion discussion

Hello. Is there any specific template for notifying WikiProjects about a deletion discussion? Imperial ^[AFCND] 11:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Most wikiprojects have tools to create regular reports on article for deletion discussions, but if you find it appropriate you may want to post a new topic and use Template:WikiProject please see. Recon rabbit 12:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

is twitter a good primary source?

I was scrolling on Twitter, and FIF made a video for twitter saying they expanded their live shows. so I was wondering if I add that tweet to the article, would it be good? I know its a primary source, but I don't know how trustworthy a primary source from twitter would be. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{King Crimson} 14:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Twitter can be an acceptable WP:ABOUTSELF source. The question is, should you bother to add that to WP if Twitter is all you got (WP:NPOV)? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Citation of Personal Details

If I wanted to cite personal details that are not published in media online or in print, how would I do so in a Wikipedia article? Maya adina (talk) 13:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Information must be in a published source that can be verified. Personal knowledge is not acceptable. If information is not in a published source, it cannot be on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 13:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Maya adina This is true even for information conveyed by the subject of an article (people lie; companies lie). And that includes published interviews and press releases (again, people lie). David notMD (talk) 14:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Copyright Issue with Photo

I keep posting a photo I took for a nonprofit. I mark it as my work and available for anyone to use without restriction. However, it keeps being taken down for copyright infringement whenever they try to use it on their Wikipedia page. If you can help me determine what I'm doing wrong, I would appreciate it. I must be missing a step somewhere. GarySeven (talk) 17:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, GarySeven. You don't appear to have made any edits with your account apart from your question here, so could you clarify which article this is about? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

This seems to be about Kathleen Unger (and this deleted photo).57.140.16.57 (talk) 17:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@GarySeven the photo was deleted because the EXIF information on the photo gave a name for the copyright holder. That needs explaining. If you are the person named in the EXIF and therefore the copyright holder then please go to commons:Commons:Wikimedia VRT release generator and follow the process there. Nthep (talk) 17:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Removing lack of references label

There is a lack of references label on this page from 2021:

Thomas Haining

How do I remove that? Thanks GreyStar456 (talk) 12:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

All you have to do is go into the visual editor and remove the notice(s), really. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

it was that simple! Thank you GreyStar456 (talk) 17:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@GreyStar456 There is a template {{onesource}} placed near the top of the article when viewed in the source editor. I find it easier to remove these templates using that editor than the visual editor. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

thanks for your prompt replyGreyStar456 (talk) 17:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@GreyStar456 ...and if you're using Twinkle, its menu has the 'Tag' function which lets you easily add new tags as well as remove existing ones. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Not sure what Twinkle is. I'll find out. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreyStar456 (talk • contribs)

GreyStar456, see WP:TWINKLE. It's a helpful gadget to counter vandalism, perform CSD taggings, and nominate articles for deletion. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 18:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Source getting auto-download

If there is a source in pdf form, which gets auto-downloaded if you click on it and not available in online view form. Is there any separate guideline for such sources. Exclusive Editor _{Notify Me!} 17:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there's any separate guideline. The citation templates in most cases will automatically show with an icon and some text that it's a PDF download link. In some cases that won't happen automatically, and the citation templates recommend using a parameter to fix that. For example, using Template:Cite web, you'd use the "format=PDF" parameter. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:28, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

This is more of a user-agent setting issue. In Chrome, use this setting chrome://settings/content/pdfDocuments (man is that hard to find) to change the default behavior. In mobile safari it would always be opened in browser. Hym3242 (talk) 19:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

skyscrapercity.com

Why is skyscrapercity.com blacklisted as a scource? Mcljlm (talk) 19:11, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

It's a forum, as such it's likely blocked due to it being user-generated content. This is the same for stuff like Reddit. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I wanted to use https://www. skyscrapercity. com/threads/kiryat-ono-ono-academic-campus-4-x-6-10-fl-completed.2377636/ to support a project's completion. That appears to be reliable since it appears elsewhere as well. Mcljlm (talk) 19:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

If it appears in secondary and reliable sources then by all means use it, otherwise you really shouldn't. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Military Order of the Purple correction

You need to undo your mistake of a correction we update Wikipedia and will continue to update all updates we made are current with our organization you reseting it back to they way it was is wrong if you had done your homework you would of notices non of the links worked and we updated the ones that are current. So please fix your mistake Olliejr22 (talk) 00:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Olliejr22, you're writing about the article Military Order of the Purple Heart. Here's a sample of what you added to it: Our members are Combat Wounded Veterans who are dedicated to our country and our veteran community. We endeavor to do better for each other and by each other always. Chartered by Congress for combat wounded Veterans. The Purple Heart is composed of military men and women who received the Purple Heart Medal for wounds suffered in combat or by an act of international terrorism. Although our membership is restricted to the combat wounded, we support all veterans and their families with a myriad of nation-wide programs by Chapters and National Service Officers. This is Wikipedia, so I interpret this to mean "Wikipedia's members are Combat Wounded Veterans who are dedicated to Wikipedia's country and its veteran community." As my username suggests, I happen to be part of Wikipedia's veteran community, so I momentarily feel somewhat flattered -- until I realize that this is of course nonsense. If you write for Wikipedia, you have to remember that this is what you're doing. And you shouldn't even think of copying material from this website (quote: "Copyright © 2020 - All Rights Reserved"), which is what you did. -- Hoary (talk) 00:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Ollieje22 Note left on your Talk page that as a representative of the organization you are not allowed to edit the article, but instead propose changes on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 00:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD: "as a representative of the organization you are not allowed to edit the article" is not strictly correct; please read our guideline, WP:COI. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Replace bio photo

I need to change out the photo in my bosses Wikipedia bio but can't see how to do it. Can you help? DawnGat3w00d (talk) 20:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi DawnGat3w00d! If you or your boss own the rights to a photo of them, that person should upload the photo at Commons:Special:UploadWizard. Once it's uploaded and the rights sorted out, you should suggest the change at the talk page associated with your boss's article here. If you're being asked to edit Wikipedia as part of your paid duties, you should declare that by following the instructions at WP:PAID. Regardless of your paid status, you should also declare your conflict of interest as described at WP:COI. All of these are complex processes, so please speak up if you need help at any stage. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@DawnGat3w00d Simplest way is probably this: YOU go and take a new picture of your boss with your own camera. That makes you the copyright holder of said image and you can "give it to the world", so to speak. Upload that image here (and take the time to read the info). Then you can come back here and tell us it's done, and I or someone else will add it to the WP-article, unless it's even worse or something.

If you are thinking of a specific, existing image, you have to get the copyright holder (usually the photographer) to register their own account and upload it themselves. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. DawnGat3w00d (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

image upload issue

i am attempting to upload an image now with the image upload wizard and it is telling me the following, "Upload failed: File extension "._Traven,_A_Vision_of_Mexico" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (image/png). (filetype-mime-mismatch, _Traven,_A_Vision_of_Mexico, image/png)"

I have uploaded hundreds images in the past and this is the first time that I have ever had this problem before.

The image that I am trying to upload is the book cover for the book for the article at: B. Traven: A Vision of Mexico. The source for the image is here.

Any ideas? Iljhgtn (talk) 20:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

What extention are you attempting to use? NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 20:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: It's detecting your image "B._Traven,_A_Vision_of_Mexico.png" as having the nonexistent file extension "._Traven,_A_Vision_of_Mexico" because of the period. Try uploading your file under the name "B_Traven,_A_Vision_of_Mexico.png" (with no period). – dudhhr^talk_contribs^she_her 20:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

ok i will try that and report back if it works. Iljhgtn (talk) 21:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Narrowed reflist

Hi. I'm looking at Gyalshing district, where the list of references is forced into a narrow area by the images. What is the best way to resolve this? I can artificially push the reflist down by adding blank lines, but that doesn't seem a very elegant solution. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 21:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

you can use {{clear}} before the references section. This will ensure that section (and anything after it) are not squeezed by a long column of images. The other question is, are all the images necessary? If they are then changing the display direction in {{multiple image}} to |direction=horizontal will save some space. Nthep (talk) 21:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that is very helpful. I didn't know about clear. Tacyarg (talk) 21:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Page Declined Reasoning

Hello, I was wondering if you guys could help me figure out why a new page I created got declined

Idk how to link it or if this will work

Draft:Royal Fools Launchpad1944 (talk) 22:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

At the top, Launchpad1944, I read "This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article." An explanation follows. Which part of the explanation needs figuring out? -- Hoary (talk) 22:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I did some formatting, but that does not address the question of music notability (WP:MUSIC). David notMD (talk) 22:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

-- but here's a start: "In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are [criteria]". Currently the draft cites zero published sources of any quality whatever. There's no hint here that the pair are notable. -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

What is the criteria for a worthy published source? Launchpad1944 (talk) 22:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Look to WP:RS and WP:RSP for that, but as a general rule it's better to have a bunch of WP:SECONDARY sources. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Launchpad1944: Creating a new article from scratch is one of the hardest things to do in Wikipedia, so please don't let this setback get to you. There is an essay that I found helpful in explaining the way Wikipedia interprets the concept of "notability" at WP:42; it might help. Basically, a Wikipedia article should summarize what the best independent sources have published about a subject - so start by searching the major national or regional newspapers for articles about them, and books written about them, etc. Then write the article based on what is in those sources.--Gronk Oz (talk) 22:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Then write the article based on what is in those sources is probably the best advice you'll ever get on this website. Never work backwards, you'll only spend the next couple hours making something that'll never leave draftspace. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 23:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Cleaned it up a bit, but see WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 23:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

How can I create an article?

How can I create an article? Wenceslao Leyva (talk) 22:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

My First Article should be exactly what you're after.

...Although I wouldn't advise jumping right in at the deep end by making an article. You really should work on making some minor edits to things first at the Task Centre or doing some citation hunting to get used to how WP:CITE and WP:RS works. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Blocked for sockpuppetry David notMD (talk) 23:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Ice

Where can I get this from 119.18.1.124 (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Most convenience store sell ice. David notMD (talk) 06:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

If you have refrigerator (or fridge), and it has deep freezer, put some water in it (drinkable if you want to consume the ice, as freezing is not equivalent to boiling). The thermodynamic conditions there shall result in a drop of temperature which will result in energy between the H₂O molecules to drop allowing hydrogen bonds to form between them, so that the particles will come together to form a crystalline solid/ ordered lattice structure, which we call ice. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 10:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

... for further information, please visit Wikipedia. In particular, this article. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

... for history of ice as a business, see Ice trade. David notMD (talk) 23:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

How to best initiate and organise a complete overhaul of an article?

Hello! Suppose there is an article that needs serious improvement throughout the entire main article and various subarticles. The article strays far from the norm in terms of style, structuring, notability of content -- in short, it's not possible to fix it by editing each section in isolation. Rather, it probably needs something close to a rewrite. What is the best way to initiate a collaborative effort to do so?

I started by inviting some past contributors to team up via their talk page. However, almost all edits of the article in question are made by one very dedicated editor, who unfortunately is also the cause for the norm deviations. Additionally, it seems evident from the discussion page that he is rather "unfazed" by other editors pointing out these high-level issues, while the latter appear to have given up one by one. I'd appreciate some guidance in how to go about this without antagonising people. DracaenaGuianensis (talk) 15:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Is this about Construction of California High-Speed Rail or California High-Speed Rail or both? Wikipedia advice is to have attempts at consensus on the Talk pages of articles rather than on TPs of editors. David notMD (talk) 18:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Both, as well as other subarticles such as History of California High-Speed Rail or to a lesser extent Route of California High-Speed Rail.

I have linked the main article TP on my "invitations" on the user TPs, so hopefully we'll be able to jumpstart a collaborative discussion there, as you recommended! DracaenaGuianensis (talk) 23:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@DracaenaGuianensis: The issue may be OWNership; please follow the process at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I will have another attempt on the talk page and follow WP:DR if necessary. DracaenaGuianensis (talk) 23:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Should I use "Ultra-Orthodox" or "Haredi" when describing a certain type of Judaism?

I was reading El Al#Treatment of female passengers, and I noticed that they use the term "Ultra-Orthodox". I am of the understanding that this term is viewed as a pejorative in those communities, and the term "Haredi". Which term should be used? JohnR1Roberts (talk) 15:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, JohnR1Roberts The general principle is that Wikipedia uses the terminology that reliable sources use. In this case, all four of the cited reliable sources use the "ultra-Orthodox" descriptor, and therefore Wikipedia should as well. Cullen328 (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, consider that as this is the English-language Wikipedia, very few readers will understand the term "Haridi", so it would have to be explained in the article and/or linked to the article Haredi Judaism, which states in its lede paragraph "Its members are usually referred to as ultra-Orthodox in English; however, the term "ultra-Orthodox" is considered pejorative by many of its adherents, who prefer terms like strictly Orthodox or Haredi." {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 176.24.44.161 (talk) 00:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Edit notice

Hi, I'm working on the Star Wars page. Whenever I click "Edit," a pop-up edit notice appears, which states:

"There are suggestions on this article's talk page for references that may be useful when improving this article in the future. (See the box that begins "The following ...".)"

Is there a way to get rid of this? The talk page section it refers to contains only two references, one short article and one book, neither of which is cited in the article. My impression is that it's a very outdated notice, and now it is just irritating. Wafflewombat (talk) 23:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't think there is a way to remove it without also removing other possibly useful edit notices. However it is normal that the references in the talk page section to not be included in the article. It is a place for editors to place potential sources that they are unsure on how to incorporate it into the article. ♠ Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. What if it's the only edit notice that pops up? I haven't seen any others. Wafflewombat (talk) 00:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: That edit notice is displayed through {{Refideas editnotice}}, which the documentation says is added to the edit notice of main namespace pages (articles) and it only becomes visible when there is a matching {{Refideas}} template in the talk page (the one you moved one of the references to further reading from).

There does not appear to be a way to both have the template in the talk page and not have the edit notice. – 2804:F14:80C6:A301:D4DC:46FF:5933:EF85 (talk) 01:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! I removed the template on the talk page, and the edit notice went away. Wafflewombat (talk) 03:36, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Resolved

Wafflewombat, yes, you can. Add the following line to your common.css page, purge your common.css, and refresh the Star Wars page:

body .refideas {display:none} /* Turn off {{Refideas editnotice}} in edit mode */

This will turn off the notice on all pages that have it. See H:CSS for some help with common.css. Let me know if you have any issues applying it. Mathglot (talk) 02:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I got rid of the edit notice on one page, but I want to remove them all, like you suggested I could. Being a new editor, your message is mostly Greek to me! I clicked the common.css link, found there was no CSS page for my account, but clicked "purge" anyways. What do I do next? I don't know what the line of wiki markup text you included is. Wafflewombat (talk) 07:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Can I put a wikilink in an edit summary?

If so, how?

Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 07:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Wafflewombat, yes you can. You do it the same way you do in editing. Your last attempt didn't work because you put the whole url in. You should have only included Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Use single large brackets when you use the whole url, like so: [8]. See H:LINK. Also see, Help:Edit summary#Edit summary properties and features. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 08:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Constructive edits reverted and labeled "vandalism"

Why is an account with 67 edits (@Toini Ivanov) reverting constructive edits and putting "vandalism" notices?

See here: User talk
88.118.7.240 (talk) 11:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure, I'd like to play Devil's Advocate and say that they thought it was relating to Cannabis without checking, but I'm not sure. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Good point. However, user's entire edit history is filled with many seemingly random "vandalism" notices. Ping @Toini Ivanov.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Toini_Ivanov

88.118.7.240 (talk) 11:50, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

I have taken the other report about the same user to ANI. Best to discuss further there. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Update: Now blocked as a sockpuppet account. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Defaultsort

is defaultsort only for person? neither any organisation, brand, book? Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 13:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

It can be used for anything. See Template:DEFAULTSORT. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

It can be used for anything. For example, steam locomotive LNER Gresley K4 61994 The Great Marquess has {{DEFAULTSORT:LNER Class K4 61994 The Great Marquess}} to skip the 'Gresley' when sorting so it sorts correctly among other LNER locos. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 14:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks you @Shantavira and @Verbarson! Cheers and Happy editing. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 14:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Non-notable articles

There seem to be a large number of articles about random stations along the Houston METRORail system that don't seem like they would be notable. The system's article and the lines themselves seem fine, but most of the articles on the individual stations contain less than a paragraph of text and no or few sources. (See this station for an example; here are most of the stations.) I am aware that a short article doesn't determine notability, but I don't think a random platform by the side of the road without any secondary coverage meets the notability guidelines. Any ideas on what to do about them? Delete? Merge? Should they be kept? I don't really know what the reasons would be to do one or the other, or how I would go about doing it. 99percentDragon (talk) 16:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

99percentDragon, railway stations survive deletion discussions a lot (though perhaps not ones for light rails). Let's say there are more people who would seek to keep articles on them than ones who would seek to delete, among the editors who are likely to participate in those deletion discussions. But the community is constantly evolving; it's possible there would be more support for a merge or deletion now than in the past. If you wish to work in this area, you should check out WP:RAILOUTCOMES. This topic area does not have its own official notability guideline. So, officially, you refer to WP:GNG to evaluate. You will find WP:NRAIL more useful in determining how you might proceed, though it is not an actual community guideline. To fully understand how things work in this area, you should go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Transportation/archive and read a few dozen deletion discussions, ideally chronologically. If you still can't decide, you might ask the same question you asked here to WT:TRAINS. Good luck! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

How can I add more references if there's only one website that covers my topic?

My recent (and first) draft; Draft:Cakeverse, was declined because of this reason. KharaLeGodly (talk) 01:26, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Simple: you can't. If there aren't enough references then it just doesn't meet the notability guidelines. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 01:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Or maybe I should have tried the fandom website KharaLeGodly (talk) 01:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey, just so you're aware, Fandom isn't considered a reliable source, as you can see on the list of our list of perennial sources. I hope this helps narrow down your search. Best of luck! Phönedinger's jellyfish II (talk) 03:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KharaLeGodly, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you're having a very common experience of those who plunge into the challenging task of trying to create a Wikipedia article before they've spent much time and practice in learning how Wikipedia works.

Absolutely the first task in writing a new article is to find several reliable independent sources with significant coverage of the subject. The reason why this should be the first task is that if you can't find these sources, then the article is never going to be accepted, and every moment you spend thereafter on trying to create it will be time and effort wasted.

I suggest you give up the idea of writing an article, at least for a few months, and spend that time making improvements to some of our six million existing articles, many of which are crying out for work. Then, when you've learnt about concepts like reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, you might try again (though probably not with that subject!). On the other hand, you might decide, as I have, that creating new articles isn't the best way to contribute to this wonderful collaborative resource. ColinFine (talk) 11:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I'm trying to make a reliable article for use, as I noticed there aren't many on the subject.

But since there aren't many, I keep getting declined. KharaLeGodly (talk) 15:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

You may be best off, if the subject lacks enough reliable sources to stand on its own, trying to create a section within the article Omegaverse (and if enough significant coverage comes up), later expanding it into its own article. Writing a brand new article from scratch is incredibly difficult, and having it first develop as a section within that article could get more editors interested in helping write one. Phönedinger's jellyfish II (talk) 16:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah I guess that would work KharaLeGodly (talk) 17:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Inappropriate and explicit images on Commons

How can they be removed? 14 novembre (talk) 18:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre: Commons has its own deletion policy and procedures, which are a bit out of scope for this board, which typically deals with enwiki-specific topics. However, you might want to take a look at commons:COM:CENSOR; "inappropriate and explicit" is not in itself a reason to delete things from Commons. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:25, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper. Thanks for your answer. The policy states Photographs of nudity including male and female genitalia are sometimes uploaded for non-educational motives, and such images are not exempt from the requirement to comply with the rules of Commons' scope. If the images are of demonstrably inferior quality, or add nothing educationally distinct to the stock of such images we hold already, they may fail the test of being realistically useful for an educational purpose. Instead there is an enormous amount of such images and videos, as confirmed by this article. Is there something we can do so that this policy is correctly implementated? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 18:33, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre: I'm one of the sysops at Commons, and as @Writ Keeper has stated above, the project has its defined scope and is not censored. If "inappropriate" refers to something that violates copyright or is uploaded for solely promoting any entity, you should be able to request deletion of the given file. However, on a broader spectrum, the page at c:COM:CENSOR should help you if you mean some kind of moral/religious/else inappropriate thing by it. You won't get any helpful answer at English Wikipedia for your question. Go to the Village pump at Commons and ask there. Best regards, ─ Aafī (talk) 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@TheAafi Thanks for your very helpful answer. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 18:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre: "Explicit" images are not necessarily "inappropriate", on Commons or here - we are an making an encyclopedia, and we document things like biology, sexuality and social phenomena like pornography. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Do I need to revert?

Just wanted to make sure I am not violating the rules here.

Another editor is telling me I am not allowed to revert their removal of reliably sourced content. This is in the middle of an ongoing discussion at Talk:Donald Trump#Business career - Golf courses, they are saying there is no consensus to include, therefore I am not allowed to restore an edit by another editor they removed, however currently myself and the other editor agree it should be included, while she disagrees.

Diffs [9], [10], [11], [12] DN (talk) 05:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can see it is a CTOP but not WP:CRP, I'll double check. DN (talk)

Darknipples, looks like it's been a while since you made this post, so I am not sure whether you've got it resolved. I'll say what you've missed based on a brief look, and that is WP:BLP policy. In BLPs, the onus is usually on those seeking to include content even if there was no previous consensus to exclude. You should be careful editing controversial topics with stringent content and behavioural expectations; it seems you already know that. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

P.S. you never need to revert. Even if you think you're more justified in reverting, edit-warring is not excused. See WP:3RRNO for the limited cases where you can continue to revert just because you think you're in the right. If it's nothing urgent, it's advisable to stop reverting and let the other party "win" while you settle things on the talk page, unless they're not talking at all except in edit summaries. Intent to edit-war is considered more important than the number of reverts, so you should never choose to revert based on counting. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Resolved I think. Thanks! DN (talk) 20:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Is there a way to block other users from editing my user page?

Hi, I was just wondering if there was a way to block other users from editing my user page (User:SHIBUYA8) and if so, how. If you can assist me with this issue, please let me know. Thanks! SHIBUYA8 (talk) 21:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@SHIBUYA8: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1218. You can request page protection at Wikipedia:RFPP, but your request is only going to be considered if there is a history of persistent vandalism or otherwise disruptive editing on it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi SHIBUYA8! All user pages are already automatically semi-protected without anything needing to be done to protect the pages. The protection level won't be increased without a good reason to do so – editors who are experienced enough to have the technical ability to edit your user page generally are aware that doing so is only considered acceptable when there is a good reason. Tollens (talk) 21:42, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@SHIBUYA8: There are few valid reasons why someone should edit your ~~talk~~ user page, but they do exist. For example, suppose you inadvertently added it to a category meant for articles only. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Pigsonthewing I think you might have meant user page rather than talk page? Theroadislong (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, yes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

SHIBUYA8, no editor other than you has edited your userpage. What are you worried about? Administrators do not protect pages pre-emptively without evidence of disruption. Cullen328 (talk) 22:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

BBC news anchors

Nonsense.NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 22:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Female news preseñtors 2A02:C7C:60AC:5500:ADF1:5BAC:4248:AB6A (talk) 22:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 22:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Abortions and both parental rights to make decisions together:

With all the political views on abortions and a woman's right to make a decision for herself supporting Women Empowerment with those campaigning to remove a right for the Abortion Law not study different views of this subject only looking at the negatives of this right. Not all abortions are based on negative perspectives with those who have been campaigning to remove a woman's right to make her own decision or in this "Act" the Right for both parents to decide together. 216.14.253.140 (talk) 23:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Wikipedia is not a forum to debate sociopolitical issues. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 23:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Searching deleted articles by CSD reason?

Hi all I can't seem to figure out how to search delete articles by deletion reason. I'm trying to find some G5/G11/G12/G13 articles that could be notable and take a stab but it's pretty annoying to try to sift through the thousands of articles deleted for other reasons. Anyone know a way? Thanks TLA^tlak 23:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

You can use Quarry; I've just ran a querry for G5 speedy deletions here, for example. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 23:14, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate it! Looks like a great tool to play around with, thanks. TLA^tlak 23:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello There, I'm confused again

so i redid my page here Draft:The Plantain Incident and am wondering if we're good to go? it now has the cite links to the references with the little numbers. Thank you. Mike Dowswell (talk) 19:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Looking at it, you have four sources. Two are links to YouTube, one of which is the channel for Lord Dowswell Games and the other to a video of the game on that same channel. The other two are actually a single source, both leading to the same place - the Dreams (video game) website.

Based on your name I'm going to make an assumption and say you probably shouldn't be making this article due to a conflict of interest, additionally there just aren't enough secondary sources. In fact, with a cursory search I couldn't find any.

Bringing it up to snuff with the Manual of Style is well needed as well, but your first article will probably be your best bet.

Please do not transfer that draft to mainspace, I'm fairly certain it'll be speedy deleted within 24 hours of it getting there. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

It's proving highly difficult to promote the game, because everywhere I go, I'll make a post, and it instantly gets deleted, today I joined a Facebook group called Independent Video Game Design and Development, and tried there, but they removed the trailer for the game right away...lol.. I guess it's the conflict of interest thing?, which I'm learning about...I honestly didn't know there was a thing called conflict of interest. The game was made across four years with no money, I honestly don't know what to do or how to promote, it's been like this for years...lol. Many thanks to all of you for responding so fast with what the problem is, its never been explained to me until now. It's a bit of a loop, of you can't promote then people cant see and then can't write about it. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated, thank you. 52.144.111.53 (talk) 02:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

wikipedia is not a place for you to promote your game. ltb d l (talk) 09:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

It was more of a acknowledgement of the game than a promotion. I was talking about other places outside of Wikipedia. 52.144.111.53 (talk) 00:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

See WP:GNG. Your draft fails those requirements. It's possible that it can't meet them atm, and if that is so, a WP-article about your game will not be accepted. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Mike Dosewell Given that you created the game, you have a conflict of interest (see WP:COI), which means you need to state as much on your User page. WP:TOOSOON is an issue, as people with no connection to the game have not published about the game. David notMD (talk) 22:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Format of [sic]

What is the difference between "sic" in single-square-brackets and in double-curly-brackets? "British Post Office Scandal" has three instances of the former (I just put one of them), and none of the latter. Are they all wrong? 14.201.77.210 (talk) 02:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP14. We use double-curly brackets to invoke templates, which are generally shortcuts. Template:Sic just creates a signle-square-bracket [sic] that is also linked to the article about the term. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Making a Semi-protected edit request

Please put in a request to the appropriate place to make it easier for novice users to generate a "Semi-protected edit request". IP editors who are prevented from editing these pages are also more likely to not know how to create a formal SPER - eg: my request in Talk:Fair game (Scientology) 14.201.77.210 (talk) 02:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello again! If you click on the "View source" link of any semi-protected article, you get a blue button that takes you to an edit request wizard. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:03, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I recently added information to the article on the Sylvia Likens Murder

I recently added information to the article on the Sylvia Likens murder. But my contribution was removed. I added that the horror novel Let's Go Play at the Adams' by Mendal Johnson may have been inspired in part by this true crime case. But it was removed. I don't understand why a similar entry for the horror novel The Girl Next Door by Jack Ketchum is allowed but my one for Let's Go Play at the Adams' was removed. They are both links to horror novels. Thank you. HenryTjernlund (talk) 02:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@HenryTjernlund Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the various articles, The Girl Next Door (and its film adaptation) explicitly stated that it was loosely based on the above murder case while your addition said Let's Go Play at the Adams' may have been based on the case (and its article did not state anything about the case at all, so it may also be WP:No original research), which would be considered as trivia. Jolly1253 (talk) 03:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

I looked at my copy of The Girl Next Door. In the back Q&A interview section the Sylvia Likens is mentioned briefly. However numerous reviews of Let's Go Play at the Adams' compare it to The Girl Next Door. I think some reviews also mentioned the Likens case in talking about LGPatA. Sadly the writer of LGPatA died shortly after (2 years) publishing the novel whereas TGND's writer lived long enough (29 years) to be interviewed and asked about the connection. So there have been others who have connected these dots but not sure how much that counts. HenryTjernlund (talk) 06:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

None of that counts. Statements in Wikipedia should be based entirely on what reliable sources say and those sources must be cited. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

If I do a search on [let's go play at the adams] and [sylvia likens] I get pages and pages of results. Try it. HenryTjernlund (talk) 14:25, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

You didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. Theroadislong (talk) 14:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

"A primary source is an original document/image, the results of an experiment, statistical data, first-hand account, or creative work. A secondary source is something written about or using primary sources. A teritary source is a collection of primary and secondary sources."

Being honest all this splitting of hairs is hurting my elderly brain. Mendal Johnson, author of LGPATA, died shortly after publishing only one work and thus did no have a chance to be interview or write about his inspiration. Many articles (tens if not hundreds) have expressed that they feel his novel was based on the Sylvia Lickens crime. But as I learned half a century ago in math class not all truths can be proven. I have growing medical problems myself and thought I could add an item of what I think is a truth to an article, but others fixate on only primary sources, then this datum is lost to the world. Sad as I think the LGPATA is a very influential work itself and valid warning of the horror of what human behavior can lead to. After years the book still haunts me, and apparently other people too, and I still grieve for the main character even if only fictitious. And I grieve for the real and beautiful young Sylvia Likens and the horror she went through. HenryTjernlund (talk) 20:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@HenryTjernlund, if there's lots of articles with the information you want to add, then you can simply choose one and use it to cite your addition. The sources we want are secondary sources, not primary, so articles discussing the book will be perfectly acceptable if you also make sure to choose a reliable source - if any of the articles are in papers/magazines/journals/etc that are listed on the list of perennial sources as reliable, then you can probably safely assume your source will be acceptable. StartGrammarTime (talk) 03:39, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Broken Link for Fixing Broken Links

Hello! I am new here and noticed for many article's talk section, the links in each "External links modified" section to replace broken links is broken. Below is an example of what is written, but I've seen this message on many article's talk section and all are broken:

"If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool. If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool."

Is this issue currently being addressed? or is it being fixed in each individual page?

Thanks! Archival Description (talk) 23:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

You can still report false positives, fix errors, and view the updated documentation. The talk page messages are quite old and due to the sheer number of them, it's better just to leave them alone for the most part. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Archival Description (talk) 04:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

How do you flag a page for possibly having an issue?

My example is PragerU’s page, which seems very opinanted. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

You may use Template:POV in the article, or in PragerU's case, use Template:Political POV. - Dents (talk2me 🖂) he/him btw!!! 02:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Blackmamba31248 Yes, you can use maintenance templates like POV to flag articles. But you also need to be able to explain what specifically is wrong with the article, preferably using reliable sources to back up your argument. The place to do this would be at Talk:PragerU. If you don't do this, someone will probably remove the template because there's no evidence that it's actually opinionated. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

To add on to this, Blackmamba31248, the more specific and actionable the concerns are, the more likely you are to get a response. Also, if you start a talk page thread before tagging, you're more likely to get a constructive response to the tags. Good luck, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 06:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Where can I ask this, is it here? ARBCOM clarification

In talk pages like Hamas there is the template {{Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement}} which states, among other things, this:
"You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page[..]"
Upon looking at Wikipedia:General sanctions#Active sanctions, in the row for "Palestine-Israel articles 4", it says the following instead:
"The entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted; edits relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to pages and discussions in all namespaces with the exception of userspace"
Obviously I cannot talk about this topic, nor am I interested in doing so, but I am interested in if there truly is an exception for userspace or not, and I am not sure where the correct place to ask is. I'd also like to ask, if it is an exception, why is it an exception? – 2804:F14:80C6:A301:243A:A254:1976:1CDD (talk) 05:03, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Non-extendedconfirmed editors are also allowed to make edit requests. An exception for userspace was made to keep it a safespace, because no one who doesn't want to, needs to follow userspace discussions. An user's own userspace comes with a lot of extra freedoms not afforded elsewhere. It was thought it would be counterproductive to try and police there. It does not mean you can do anything there. It's simply that there isn't anything special related to the conflict area adding extra rules to existing ones. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Editing an article's title

Hello there, I've come across a bit of ambiguity concerning the "Solar Renewable Energy Certificate" article. While the title suggests a global scope, the content focuses on the US context. Additionally, there's a related query in the talk thread about the article's geographical scope. To ensure clarity, would it be appropriate to refine the focus by adding "(US)" to the article's title? HerBauhaus (talk) 11:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. The best thing to do would be to expand the scope of the article. A disambiguator is only needed if there is another article about a topic with the same title. 331dot (talk) 11:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Usually not. There's nothing about that title that really suggests a global scope. The broadest rule of thumb is that disambiguators on article titles should be used as a last resort—and also that parentheticals as disambiguators should only be used when there's no other natural way to write the common name of a topic, so Monarchy of the United Kingdom, not Monarchy (United Kingdom), etc.

To put it another way, only disambiguate when there's another topic that needs to be disambiguated from. See WP:NC for more details than you'd ever wanna know about how we fashion article titles on Wikipedia, cheers! Remsense诉 11:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

"Bibliography of the..." type article

I recently encountered an article named Bibliography of the Sangh Parivar. I've never seen an article like this in article space before— it's essentially just a collection of reference materials. Is this allowed? Is there an explicit Wikipedia policy on such articles, or precedent for/against such a thing? Brusquedandelion (talk) 07:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Brusquedandelion: I don't know about this specific article, but there seems to exist may "Bibliography of...' articles. You may find them if you just type "Bibliography of" in search box and lot of suggested articles pop. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 08:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Bibliographies by subject, MOS:BIBLIOGRAPHY, WP:BIB — Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I've been procrastinating on finishing and publishing Draft:Bibliography of the Chinese language and writing system, myself. If you think about it, the standards are exactly the same as any other article—entries need to be attested in reliable sources. Here, it's usually works being cited or name-checked in other works. Remsense诉 11:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

creation of a new wikipedia page by the name of the princy world

OP blocked for advertising

Hi, we need inputs to create a new page by the nam of the princy world which is a company by Dr Aakriti Sharma Kohli into different different verticals Princy07 (talk) 04:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Princy07, please stop posting new questions without responding to people who have already answered you. It is disruptive to hosts and other people asking questions. Remsense诉 11:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

See also question below by same person (#‎can paegent winners have wikipedia page who have done significant contribution in their field?). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) Looks like the hosts have consolidated the questions—thanks! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 12:24, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

can paegent winners have wikipedia page who have done significant contribution in their field?

Hi I have a community and we are paegent winners .Can we have a wikipedia page? Princy07 (talk) 04:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Given the content of your user talk page, I'm going to give some unorthodox advice: did you know that you have no control over the content of a Wikipedia article about yourself or a subject you like? If someone finds—now or in the future—a newspaper article or other source criticizing the paegant winner, that negative information can be added to the article, and you can do nothing about it. If you find this prospect distressing, I strongly suggest you avoid creating an article. If you make your own website instead, you will likely have total editorial control over its content and tone. I also encourage you to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Best wishes, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

By the way, the word you are looking for is pageant. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Can someone make my Wikipedia page ?about my body of work

Aakriti Sharma Kohli Princy07 (talk) 04:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@princy07: no. ltb d l (talk) 05:34, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

The usual procedure for vanity articles is to pay a company that promises to make a viable article ... but then fails to do so. 110.3.98.54 (talk) 08:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Per your Talk page, your several attempts to create an article about yourself have been Speedy deleted. "The Princy World" appears to be the name of a business/publisher under which you have self-published books. I see no evidence that neither you nor "The Princy World" meet Wikipedia's concept of being notable. Any more attempts will likely cause an Administrator to indefinitely block you account. There are websites that claim to be able to create articles for pay, but most of them as scams - either no work is done, or an inadequate article is created and subsequently deleted by a Wikipedia function called New Pages Patrol. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia on master reiki healers and other notable healing modalities

Can you write a Wikipedia page on master reiki healer for the venture The Princy World Princy07 (talk) 11:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

We cannot, unfortunately. Remsense诉 11:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

To expand on that, this is not the forum to request articles be created or to solicit co-authors. It appears that you have already attempted to do this and been unsuccessful- you should probably move on from this topic or at least learn much more about Wikipedia before attempting to try again. 331dot (talk) 11:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Make a Wikipedia page on euro exim bank

make a Wikipedia page on Euro exim bank Princy07 (talk) 11:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Please see the messages to you above. If you have further comment, please edit this existing section, instead of creating a new section with every post. 331dot (talk) 11:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Want to make a Wikipedia page for euro exim bank Princy07 (talk) 12:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

We cannot help you if you cannot provide answers when we ask you questions. Remsense诉 12:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

This page is for help in editing articles. The place to request articles in Wikipedia:Requested articles, but as pointed out above, you will probably be wasting your time if keep requesting articles on non-notable topics. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

331dot, surely this editor is WP:NOTHERE. They've made half a dozen requests for new articles here without any indication that they are listening to anything they've been told. We get one editor trying to write about one person or one business, usually, not half a dozen disparate topics. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

We're getting there, I think. 331dot (talk) 12:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

A question about a lack of a quality source

Hello, I'm editing Sayaka Senbongi's wikipedia article to add a character she voiced in Granblue Fantasy. I found a behindthevoiceactors page for her contribution to the game, but it doesn't include the date she contributed. Despite my best efforts I can't find a source for the date that isn't a player run wiki. The information is in the game, but it requires an account and to own the character to view. Should I just leave the source information for the date of her contribution out with the knowledge that I've placed it under the correct year, or should I link the wiki? I can confirm the wiki is correct, I just can't link the confirmation that the wiki is correct. I've not pushed the edit through yet (though it is ready to go once I get clarification!) so none of this is visible on the wiki page, I've linked it regardless.

Thanks in advance! Bariaus (talk) 00:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Bariaus! Given consensus that Behind The Voice Actors is reliable but fan wikis aren't, I'd just leave the date out. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! Bariaus (talk) 14:16, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Tables

How do you add a table to use the templates that you use on your user page? I tried so many things and It doesn't work out properly, so can y'all help? Thanks, MissYandere MissYandere (talk) 23:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Note: the asker has abandoned her account: done with this account and will be back with a new account.

On a different note, SPI (to determine if WP:FRESHSTART applies) the best course of action? She hasn't really edited much of mainspace, even if she doesn't seem to understand this isn't a social media site where you can abandon accounts and create new ones willy-nilly. Minutes before abandoning the account, MissYandere declared the existence of alternate account MissYandere2; four days before that, she claimed to used to have two accounts before I wanted to start fresh because of the hate I'm getting on here. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

She's at ammiinsane? and Starrixgamerrix, according to the latter's userpage (permalink): my alt. account is ammiinsane? (at the very bottom) and I used to have my other account which is MissYandere but I got tired of it...don't confuse me for a sockpuppet account because I don't have an alt. yet, and I have never been banned because I don't break rules (at the very top). WP:ALTACCN says: Links [between alternative accounts] should ideally take the form of all three of the following: 1. Similarities in the username (italics mine). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia.

Is there a rule about how often you can cite particular sites? I've found it easiest to search a few different online journals, newspapers because of their search function on their sites and the variety of topics they cover. It takes time to search for a lot of different sources...but I just don't know the rules, as I think I may have linked a lot to one site, but I mean to vary it when I have more free time.

Is there a rule about the maximum percentage you should link to one site?

Lifelong learner837 (talk) 22:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Lifelong learner837. Based on the discussions on your talk page, you seem to have been adding inappropriate external links repeatedly to multiple articles. This can definitely be seen by other editors as spammimg, specially when the link is not directly pertinent to the content. Please read External links to understand the few occasions when such links are appropriate and the many where they are. I also recommend that you read Wikipedia:Citation overkill which explains some of the other concerns that have been brought to your attention. It is not a matter of a maximum percentage from a given source so much as quality. You could buy today's New York Times and use it to improve dozens of articles and no one would complain if your usage of that newspaper is germane and fills a need. You should not do this, though, if you work for that newspaper. Cullen328 (talk) 23:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much. It seems that a number of my edits have been removed, even though I thought they added relevant information that was not previously on the page. I have only been editing on Wikipedia a few days and I was exited to be able to add new entries. I only opened my account in March. Can you tell me if there has been an action based on my edits? I will make an effort to vary my sources.It just takes a lot of time to search the whole internet. Lifelong learner837 (talk) 23:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Lifelong learner, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please look at WP:BRD, for an explanation of the process by which we reach consensus. It is normal to have some edits reverted, and this doesn't necessarily mean that there was anything wrong with your edit, just that another editor disagreed.

Having said that, if a lot of your edits are being reverted by different people, and even more if several warnings are placed in your user talk page, it is worth considering if there is something you are3 missing,

It's not about "varying your sources": it is about choosing reliable sources, and also discerning where a citation is required. Not all information available about a subject is necessarily appropriate for an article (see WP:INDISCRIMINATE). ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Quick question regarding additional respect towards administrators

As admins have special privileges that most users lack, have been gained through community consensus, should they be treated with a higher level of respect than the average user, or should interactions with an admin be like talking to or with any other Wikipedian? I mean, they do have unique powers, but should respect be gained from such privileges or from real, genuine interactions like anyone else on this wiki? 95.141.97.244 (talk) 20:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. All users should respect other users when they interact. It is natural to defer to the greater knowledge and experience of an experienced user, but there is no special respect accorded to admins. ColinFine (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Speaking as an administrator, I do not expect any extra respect. Yes, the community has trusted me with some powerful tools. But when I work on or discuss content, I am just another editor. Cullen328 (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. 95.141.97.244 (talk) 11:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, you should treat everyone with respect, no matter their status. Everyone deserves to be part of a welcoming community. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 21:28, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Colin and Cullen328. Sadly, there seems to be quite a degree of disrespect shown to non-registered (= IPusers). We should all try to treat each other fairly and equally and, as an administrator myself, I do try to uphold WP:Old-fashioned Wikipedian values, though I suspect I still fall short from time to time. If I do, feel free to let me know.

BTW: Could I politely mention that your two recent edits to Finale (song) may well be reverted soon. As well-meaning as they were, we have a formal way of highlighting similarly-named titles, rather than just writing "'heads up:" See THIS PAGE for guidance on adding Hatnotes to pages. - especially the section titled WP:RELATED. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes, I went to the delightful WP:Old-fashioned Wikipedian values link you mentioned and tried to become the 160th pledge-taker. But couldn't.

To add my pledge, I assumed I'd have to click on the Pencil icon at the part of the document where the pledgers are listed, which I did ... typed my loyalty oath ... and then, finding no Publish button, didn't know what to do. I tried this twice and had to give up to return here for advice. Augnablik (talk) 14:51, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik Woah! That confused me too, at first. You're obviously editing in 'Mobile view' (which I very rarely do). You've clicked the sloping pencil icon to edit the relevant section and - like me - saw the text, but found no blue Publish button.

If you actually start to edit the page by adding text, you'll see the grey right-pointing chevron at the top of the page immediately turns blue. Once you've completed your edit (the # symbol creates the numbered bullet point, and four tildes (like this ~~~~) will add your signature) you can click the blue chevron to go to the 'Next' page to add an edit summary and click the blue Publish button.

I don't know if this is a change of layout in Mobile View, or whether I've simply not noticed this before - but it is rather cryptic. I do a fair amount of editing on mobile, but always prefer to use Desktop View to give me the layout and functionality I prefer. Note: you can switch between the two viewing modes via the teeny-tiny link at the very, very bottom of any page which is noticed by very few people!

Hope this all makes sense. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

On top of the consensus that you should respect everybody, the symbol of adminship is a mop for a reason: it's meant to be important but not pretentious work. There are many types of important work on Wikipedia, and what admins do is handle the mop. Remsense诉 21:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

This misconception that an administrator is a "status" is why I don't put my user page in the administrator category. I want editors to treat me as an equal, like any other editor. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, understood. :–) 95.141.97.244 (talk) 11:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Question 1

Is there some way to see Wikipedians ranked by the number of edits in a certain period of time? For example in the latest 365 days? In xtools.wmcloud.org it is shown the number of edits ij the latest 24 h, 7 d, 30 d and 365 d. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 14:07, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I actually had this precise question a few days ago, but apparently it's a bit technical, best done with SPARQL and a recent dump of the database? I didn't get very far that time. Remsense诉 14:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Remsense Thanks for your answer. Is there some way we can use it for that? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Question 2

I would like to upload a screenshot of a video game, but I'm afraid it is copyrighted. Is it? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 14:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre: Almost certainly, but unless you tell us which game, we can't give you a definitive answer. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing Thanks for the answer, the game is EA Sports FC Mobile. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 17:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games#Screenshots advises that the the Gameplay section should have independent sourcing before adding a screenshot. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 18:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I can't imagine that is anything but "all rights reserved". Note that the header image on the article is "fair use", not openly licensed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Userbox

I need help on creating my personalized userbox(s). Fugabus (talk) 19:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Fugabus! I recommend checking out Wikipedia:Userboxes#Creating a new userbox. - Master of Hedgehogs ^(converse) ^{(hate that hedgehog!)} 19:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Infobox weapon template

So I've been working on the Stimpex Dracon page and I put into the info box information such as the chassis, range, weight, payload and some of the stuff won't wont show up in the final edit yet it would show up in the source code Nayunjajangman (talk) 17:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Nayunjajangman, infoboxes do that if you don't adhere to the documentation. You may have added parameters not in the infobox you are using. You probably want to use {{infobox automobile}} instead of {{infobox weapon}}. Don't care about the infobox right now. Articles even don't need to have one. The problem with your draft is sourcing. You should seek to fix that first. See WP:REFB for how to; see WP:RS for what sources to use. Regards! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Infobox weapon is correct, just didn't have a parameter used correctly. Is vehicle wasn't selected so it just omitted anything relating to vehicles. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Usedtobecool! Nayunjajangman (talk) 17:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

As well as Reliable, sources need to be independent of the subject. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . Your second reference is from the company, and the first one almost certainly comes directly from them too. ColinFine (talk) 19:23, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool Well that's as reliable as it can get since there is almost no information available on the internet (although if you are able to find something other than what I've referenced to I'll gladly retract my statement) and even if I was able to get my hands on the technical documentation of the vehicle I wouldn't be able to use it to update the page since it would be illegal to. Nayunjajangman (talk) 19:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

I am sorry I tagged the wrong person :/ Nayunjajangman (talk) 19:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

No worries. We don't first pick a subject, then make do with what sources are available. We first look at what sources are available, to make sure the criteria at WP:N are met, and on that basis, pick the subject we want to write about. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, Nayunjajangman. Sources don't have to be online (though for something as new as this I doubt if there is anything published offline), but they do have to be both Reliable, and independent of the subject. If the only sources that have been published are from the manufacturers, then it is certainly WP:TOOSOON for a Wikipedia article on it, and you are wasting your time trying. ColinFine (talk) 22:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Creating an article

Are there any specific requirements for creating an article? Does the topic at hand need to be popular/generally recognized by the general public beforehand? Cystidia (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

As a general rule yes, there are general notability guidelines, however there are specific ones to different topics. Your First Article will help you a whole bunch as well. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Cystidia (talk) 22:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I would like to add information to the pages for "The Atlantic" and "Molly Ball"

I am a newbie. If this the wrong place to be asking for this help, please send me to the right place!

I would to add information to the Wikipedia pages of Molly Ball and also The Atlantic. But I think I may have a conflict of interest so I would like to ask someone "neutral" to add the information. The verifiable source of the information is an article by Erik Wemple of the Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/29/atlantic-krisher-japan-cambodia-settlement/ (gift link if you hit a paywall and can't read the whole artice: https://wapo.st/48OAGmU). The heading could be possibly titled "Legal Disputes" or "Notable Corrections":

This is the summary of facts (see Washington Post article to confirm):

Dispute Over Article Accuracy and Subsequent Settlement

In December 2017, Molly Ball wrote an article for The Atlantic titled "When the Presses Stop," focusing on Bernard Krisher's life as a journalist and philanthropist, notably his founding of the Cambodia Daily. Following its publication, Deborah Krisher-Steele, Krisher's daughter, contested several aspects of the story, leading to a lawsuit filed in Japan. The lawsuit highlighted concerns over factual inaccuracies and sought corrections to preserve Bernard Krisher's legacy.

The Krisher family's lawsuit brought attention to the challenges U.S. media companies face in international legal environments, contrasting with the protections they enjoy in the United States. Key points of contention included the portrayal of Krisher's response to Ball's personal health insurance issue while she was an employee at Cambodia Daily, descriptions of Krisher's journalistic style, and certain private details regarding Krisher's family.

After six years of legal proceedings, The Atlantic settled the lawsuit in January 2024. As part of the settlement, The Atlantic made 16 post-publication changes to the original article. These changes addressed various aspects, including the clarification of Krisher's efforts to assist with Ball's health-insurance problem in 2003, the nature of the insurance offered by The Cambodia Daily, and several other details related to Krisher's career and personal life. The Atlantic issued a statement regarding the settlement, noting that it was reached in good faith without admitting any liability or wrongdoing.

+++End of Summary+++

If a volunteer editor could help, I would appreciate it. EpicEpochEditor (talk) 16:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey @EpicEpochEditor! Use this wizard to perform a COI edit request on the relevant talk pages.

Cheers! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 16:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! The hyperlink to "this wizard" led me to a blank page. Could you kindly tell me the URL and I will follow your guidance. EpicEpochEditor (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello! The hyperlink is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_Request_Wizard/COI - Master of Hedgehogs ^(converse) ^{(hate that hedgehog!)} 16:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, got it! EpicEpochEditor (talk) 17:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Opinion pieces are subject to WP:RSOPINION. In this case, if the WaPo opinion piece is the only source for the proposed text, it needs be attributed in-text to Erik Wemple and his WaPo opinion piece. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

The opinion part of the piece by Erik Wemple is whether or not the same lawsuit would yield the same results in the US. I only repeated the facts about the case in Japan and the outcome, which are facts (verified by the Washington Post) and not opinion. Hopefully that meets the standards of Wikipedia. EpicEpochEditor (talk) 02:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@The Master of Hedgehogs: A better way to give that link is Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard/COI. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! - Master of Hedgehogs ^(converse) ^{(hate that hedgehog!)} 19:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Master of Hedgehogs and others who piped in with guidance. I sent in my edit request to Wizard/COI for their review. EpicEpochEditor (talk) 02:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Correct use of listas

I've written a couple biographies and want them to correctly list alphabetically by last name within categories. For example, both Rufus Clark and Geoffrey Cuming currently list by first name (R and G, respectively) in the categories they populate. Where am I going wrong here? ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Pbritti. It looks like Rufus Clark has the DEFAULTSORT magic word but it's been left blank. That one should be "DEFAULTSORT:Clark, Rufus", and Cuming should follow the same pattern. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Aha! Thank you, Firefangledfeathers! ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

How to create category

Greetings,

I'd like to create a new category titled Safa Women's League similar to the Category:SAFA Women's League category but can't seem to figure out how it's done.

Secondly, I would like to know how I can create a source link using a clubs nickname of alternative name to the same page e.g. University of Johannesburg women's football is also known as UJ Ladies F.C. and I'd like to like to links this to the article.

Thanks in advance. Mcwamcwa (talk) 22:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mcwamcwa, and welcome to the Teahouse. A category comes into existence as soon as somebody places an article in it - which (a little confusingly) you do by putting the category statement into the article. However, it is considered good practice to create the category page, with a description of what the category is: see WP:FAQ/Categorization#How do I create a category?.

However, I'm a bit puzzled why there should be a Category:Safa Women's League as well as a Category:SAFA Women's League. It might be best to discuss this at the talk page of WP:WikiProject Categories first.

For your second question, you can create a redirect page from the alternative name to the article. ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine with regards to the redirect, I just read the article but it's a bit confusing as I do not have the horizontal lines at the top of my page. Do I then create an article titled UJ Ladies F.C. for example. A blank page with nothing written in it then after moving it to the article space redirect the page to the University of Johannesburg women's football page and that will create a redirect everytime someone types in UJ Ladies F.C?

I just want to check if creating a blank page with just the title on it is allowed? Mcwamcwa (talk) 20:20, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

No, you can create it directly in article space. Go to UJ Ladies FC (if that's the title). That's a redlink, so if you click on it, it will offer you the chance to create an article with that title.

Then you start editing it, and insert the single line

#REDIRECT [[name of target article]]

in it, and pick "Publish". ColinFine (talk) 22:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine done. I did UJ Ladies F.C. can you confirm if that's all that's needed? Thank you for your assistance in this. Mcwamcwa (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine It actually worked, thank you! Mcwamcwa (talk) 09:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Am I doing this right?

I have been feeling rather overwhelmed and anxious to submit my edits to Wikipedia, because I (for whatever reason) feel there will be judgement from other editors concerning my edits. Over time I'm sure I will understand Wikipedia better, but is there a solution to my current predicament? If you have any insight please reply to this message, thanks! SHIBUYA8 (talk) 15:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the simplest way to answer this is that of course you're going to be feeling anxious. Of doing something wrong, of having your edits reverted, of being spammed with essays and policies you'd never even heard of. All of that's understandable.

What you also have to remember is that Wikipedia is a massive project, with god knows how many editors, the large majority of which are here to do one of two things: To improve the site, and to help others either in the search of knowledge or the curation of it. The latter of those two includes you.

Nothing anyone says is likely to dispel your anxieties, all we can really say is that we were all where you are at one point in our time on this site and we're all here to help you.

You can ask questions here at any time, or you can head to the Wikipedia Discord server to do the same thing. I'm sure anyone would be happy to help you out. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

SHIBUYA8 In general, Wikipedia advice is be bold in your edits, but if reverted, discuss on the talk page of the article. New editors can be expected to reverted now and then, a common reason being the addition of content an editor knows to be true but not having added a verifying reference at the same time. Your own Sandbox is a good place to develop content and get referencing format correct before copying all that into an article. David notMD (talk) 16:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo, thank you for the kind words. I'll be sure to join the Discord soon! SHIBUYA8 (talk) 18:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD, thank you for the tips! I will definitely mess with my Sandbox some more. SHIBUYA8 (talk) 18:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@SHIBUYA8 Welcome to Wikipedia! As @David notMD said, we encourage people to be bold when editing. The great thing about Wikipedia is that if you do make a mistake, it can be reverted. Also, I see you've already joined a WikiProject—these can be great places to ask more specific questions about editing on certain topics. Feel free to pop back over to the Tea House if you have any other questions or concerns. Happy editing! Unexpectedlydian^♯4 talk^‽ 20:34, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Unexpectedlydian, thank you for the kind words. I love Japan, and I'm sure their WikiProject will help me understand Wikipedia better. Thanks again, have a good one! SHIBUYA8 (talk) 11:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

"Reaction" to a novel

I'm preparing a review of a novel (in Visual Editor). In the "Reaction" section there will be a selection of comments from published articles. I'm also thinking of including the ratings from people who have bought the book on Amazon, i.e. 45% very good, 30% good, 15% poor etc. Would this be appropriate for a Wikipedia article? Pjplumbing (talk) 11:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Pjplumbing, refer to MOS:NOVELS if you aren't. It should be a "Reception" section rather than a reaction. As for Amazon, the answer would be no, almost always. You can't cite to Amazon directly. If another reliable source has quoted those numbers, put them in good context that also fits well within the article, and the numbers are not outdated already, is when I would find them acceptable. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

See also: WP:AMAZON — Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

If your question is about Mrs Osmond, which has been accepted as an article, then your Reception section already has quotes from a number of professional book reviewers. That should suffice. Although you did not ask, in my opinion the plot summary is far too long. David notMD (talk) 13:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Primary Sources.

If a page has only handful of secondary sources while it is dominated by primary sources. Should we include more secondary sources to that page? Sewnbegun (talk) 06:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

While it depends on the article, usually yes. See WP:PRIMARY for more discussion. Cheers! Remsense诉 06:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sewnbegun: Yes, if possible. Exclusive Editor _{Notify Me!} 10:10, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Sewnbegun, you cannot possibly understand yet how much that Teahouse hosts yearn for new editors to ask about specific articles instead of vague generalities. When you ask about a specific article, then Teahouse hosts have immediate access to a wide range of specific information about the article that new editors either do not know about or do not have access to. Teahouse hosts are here to assist you, but we need to know specifically where the problem is on this very vast project of 6,794,502 articles. Cullen328 (talk) 10:14, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328, I was talking about List of X-Men members page. Sewnbegun (talk) 12:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Sewnbegun, that is a list article which has different standards than articles about a discrete topic. You can find more about the standards at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists. A big issue with lists is inclusion criteria. In this case, the vast majority of the entries are blue links, which is a good sign. Whether or not those individual articles are acceptable or not is a different matter which should be assessed by editors with expertise in superhero comics and movies. Frankly, I am not that type of editor as my interest in such things is fleeting. Cullen328 (talk) 20:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! Sewnbegun (talk) 13:27, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Warning an IP user

Hello,

An IP user has made unnecessary changes to my sandbox. Luckily, an editor removed it for me (I didn't even realize until today, and gave he/she a barnstar for it.). The IP user also made unnecessary changes to the talk page of my sandbox. I had just removed it and gave them a warning at their talk page. I'm wondering what I should do now. Should I give the IP user a different warning again next time they vandalize?

Thank you.

Myrealnamm (talk) 01:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1218. That's pretty much all you can do in the meantime. You can give them warnings increasing in severity if they persist, and if they accrue enough (usually with a 4th-level warning like {{subst:uw-vandalism4}}) you can bring it to the Administration intervention against vandalism board. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

You would typically increment by 1, starting from Template:uw-vandalism1, moving to uw-vandalism2, and so on till 4. If the edit is particularly egregious (extreme bigotry and such), I usually just skip to 4. If they vandalize after 4, report them to WP:AIV. It's worth noting this is a school IP so multiple users may see the message, not just the vandal. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 02:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Novo Tape. I didn't know it was a school IP. I know how frustrating it is when you find out you're actually talking to a group of people, not just one. Myrealnamm (talk) 21:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC). I'll keep sending notices to that user/group/ip if they continue doing things like that.

Whoops! Sorry the signature is at the middle of the message.

Plip!

Myrealnamm (talk) 21:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Myrealnamm, you'll get better at identifying school and other shared IPs over time. One giveaway is that most school IPs will receive warnings spaced out over several months or longer, whereas residential IPs tend to not have an extensive warning history. Additionally, I belive you get access to tools to identify the network subscriber once you're extended confirmed (maybe the access requirement is lower than EC, I'm not sure).Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 22:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

OK Myrealnamm (talk) 23:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Novo Tape: I mean, most of the time you can just click Geolocate or one of the RIRs links at the bottom of the IP's contributions page, even us IPs can do that.

For this one you can see that the ISP in Geolocate (or Costumer for the America RIR) is "Conseil scolaire de district catholique de lEst ontarien", which Google Translate says stands for "Eastern Ontario Catholic District School Board". – 2804:F14:80E5:6B01:7C82:2614:FB15:AFC8 (talk) 00:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Didn't realize IPs could do that (and apparently the requirement for the full tools is just autoconfirmed). Guess I also need a trouting. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 17:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Novo Tape, which button is it at the bottom of an IP user's page? Geolocate? Proxy Checker?

Myrealnamm (talk to me) 23:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I see that 2804:F14:80E5:6B01:7C82:2614:FB15:AFC8 says they used the Geolocate. Which one were you mentioning earlier @Novo Tape? Myrealnamm (talk to me) 23:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Myrealnamm, yes, I typically use Geolocate and whois. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 21:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

What is a "trouting"? Augnablik (talk) 15:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:TROUT CodeTalker (talk) 03:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

It's just a little joke that Wikipedians use to tell others they did something silly. Such as,

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

. I trouted myself once because I put my signature in the middle of a message, not at the end. Myrealnamm (talk to me) 13:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Some like myself like to keep the trouts they've been hit with on their userpage as a reminder of the silly stuff we've done. I got hit with my first last week for something I did here. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Gabriela Zych - translation from Polish

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § Gabriela Zych - translation from Polish

– — ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 00:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Dear Friends.

I have translated an article from Polish into English (it was on a list of articles that should be translated). Could a native speaker of English look at the thing, edit it and then give ma "a-ok" to post it on main Wikipedia?

LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaworu1992/sandbox

Best wishes -- Kaworu1992 (talk) 21:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

EDIT: Also, can I add a photo of her even if it is being protected by the copyrights? It seems to me that American law is very different in that regard to Polish one? -- Kaworu1992 (talk) 21:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Photos (etc.) cannot be added to the usual repository of Wikimedia Commons unless they are in the Public domain or have been released under an appropriate Creative Commons licence by the copyright holder only.

On this English-language Wikipedia, use of copyrighted images is sometimes possible under the Fair use doctrine. This never applies to a living person, since it would be possible for someone to take a new photo of them and release it, but since this subject has been dead for 14-ish years, a single non-free image could be used if no suitable free image can be found.

HOWEVER, such 'Fair use' images can only be added to Articles – they cannot be added to drafts (or User pages, etc.). If you (or another) are going to use a non-free image under Fair use, you will have to wait until the draft is accepted as an article before adding it.

Lack of a photo will not affect the acceptance of the draft as an article, and you could add a note to the draft's Talk page explaining to reviewers that you have a particular photo in mind, and even add a link to it if it's on the Internet. Hope this helps (and that I've got everything right – copyright is very tricky.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.186.221 (talk) 09:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Kaworu1992 In relation to the text of the article, one of her key claims to notability seems to be that she "was running a mangle" for which she won a cross of merit. The "mangle" links to a disambiguation page which has no meaning I can see which would lead to a prize. Is this a mis-translation? I think it would be helpful to readers if you used the |quote and |trans-quote parameters on some of the references so that non-Polish speakers here on the English Wikipedia would understand more about what the sources say. I suggest you submit the draft to the WP:AfC process using the {{user sandbox}} template, so that experienced editors can formally provide feedback or suggestions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Dear Mike.

I do not think she was awarded the Cross because of her mangle - more likely because of her Katyn activity. I mean, the official website of the Polish goverment is kind of laconic and I can only wonder. It does seems like she was awarded because of the mangle, though - maybe I will just put an enter in there?

I will also put the template in my sandbox so other can check the article ;-) Thank you for this suggestion ;-)

Best wishes

-- Kaworu1992 (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Kaworu1992 Sorry, I still don't understand why it is significant she was "running a mangle". As the target article says, that is an old type of laundry device for removing water from clothes. Was she providing some sort of laundry service and, if so, to whom and why? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I've just noticed that a small article Gabriela Zych already exists. As such, I think it would be better if you just incorporated the new material directly into it and then blanked your sandbox page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

The infobox I added stops in the middle, it is not visible 'front desk'. The information wich follows, and thus is not visible, is written in the same way as the foregoing, so I don't have a clue what's going on. This is te page: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonie_%22De_Vriendenkrans%22 Mathuw (talk) 14:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

This is a question better asked at the NLWiki's Teahouse (assuming it has one). CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I am sorry, as soon as I logged in, I was sent to the English Wiki. I will try to move over to the dutchmen. Mathuw (talk) 14:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

No worries, I hope you find an answer. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Articles not posted

I have written articles on two artists: Wallace Bradstreet Putnam, and Rafael Leonardo Black. Neither one of them appear on Wikipedia, but I do not understand why. Is there someone I can contact to ask why? FrancisNaumann (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

It appears that you've put in undeletion requests for the two articles, one of which has been returned to your sandbox.

Looking at the article itself, it's absolutely filled with puffery and is a nightmare for anyone who holds neutral point of view dear. You'll need to seriously improve it before it can become a full article. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Wallace Bradstreet Putnam has not been submitted for review since un-deletion was requested. Theroadislong (talk) 15:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Here is the page that actually got undeleted, it has only a single source and is similarly filled with puffery and a lack of a neutral point of view (I also noticed you appear to be involved in that singular source?). CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

User has also extensively edited the article about themselves here Francis Naumann without any declaration of conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 15:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism

If a user keeps vandalizing an article, what do I do? The crazy thing is that it's not one user, it's multiple! Also how do I protect articles like other users? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 15:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

If you have a plugin like WP:TWINKLE then it's pretty easy to deal with vandals through the warning templates. If I may ask, what page are you referencing? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. See its talk page to help understand what's going on CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine, page protection can be requested at WP:RFPP. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine. I don't see vandalism on that article (which is defined as editing intended to damage Wikipedia). I see users inserting information which others disagree with and remove. This is normal on Wikipedia: see WP:BRD.

If users are repeatedly editing against consensus, then that might be disruptive editing, for which they should be warned and if necessary taken to WP:ANI ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine: Please see WP:NOTVANDAL. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

an indian movie in box office collection ranking appears to have less BO than actual count. but i cant change the ranking number. what should i do?

the ranking of this movie remains same, it remains there only. should i cut and paste...? General Phoenix (talk) 15:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@General Phoenix: Which article? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:13, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

list of indian films of 2024 General Phoenix (talk) 18:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@General Phoenix: In that case, which movie? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

manjummel boys (2024). i cant change that ranking.... General Phoenix (talk) 17:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

How to make it neutral tone, or improve.

I am currently revising an article about an Austrian artist(painter), and the article requires a neutral tone. I have made my best effort to ensure the text is neutral, but I would greatly appreciate the assistance of experienced editors in reviewing and improving the content. Your expertise will help ensure that the article maintains a balanced and unbiased perspective.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Wikiasd (talk) 08:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I would generally refer to WP:PUFFERY, which has more tips and examples.

Looking at your first few sentences:

Franz Brandner is an Austrian artist renowned for his vibrant works that often reflect his experiences in South Korea.

Right out of the gate, renowned for his vibrant works is unacceptable editorializing. Try known for his works inspired by his experiences in South Korea.

Brandner showed an early affinity for the arts. His passion led him to pursue a formal education in art, culminating in his graduation from Art College. During his college years, Brandner was exposed to a wide range of artistic styles and mediums, which would later influence his diverse body of work.

Once more, showed an early affinity is not empirical—if a source relates this, that source should be attributed, phrases like this should not be written in wikivoice. Moreover, this likely shouldn't be here at all unless it's particularly relevant to what reliable sources say about the subject. I would rewrite this as Brandner was exposed to a variety of aesthetic influences while attending art college, which would later influence much of his work.

Also, it would be nice to hear what the influences are proportional to their attestation in sources so it rests on the substance of the topic.

To reemphasize, terms like vivid and significant role in fostering cultural exchange through his art should almost never be used in Wikipedia's own voice. If they are due at all, they should be attributed. If you end up with too many quotes after that, that means you're still trying to puff the subject up. Once again, check WP:PUFFERY. Cheers! Remsense诉 09:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

This article is suffused with windy nothings. "Brandner’s professional journey began with the establishment of his art studio in Innsbruck" means, I think, "Brandner set up his studio in Innsbruck". "[P]romoting mutual understanding and appreciation between the two nations" is a staple of the most somniferous of speeches, delivered to people yawning, nodding off, or fiddling with their phones. -- Hoary (talk) 12:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Another example of 'content' not supported by a reference: "His work has attracted the attention of art enthusiasts and dignitaries alike..." And throughout, I agree there is so much vague laudatory wording. The root of the problem is that you - the creator - moved this from your Sandbox to mainspace without submitting it to Article for Creation for a review, which would have resulted in it being Declined. It is possible that a New Pages Patrol reviewer will convert it to Draft status, or even Speedy deleted it as unacceptable. David notMD (talk) 13:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikiasd On a different note, I strongly suspect you created your account to conduct undeclared paid editing. You created a Sandbox draft of this article on 28 Feb, then on 9 March added word hyperlinks to a dozen random articles (all since reverted), so as to qualify for creating an article in mainspace - and then moved your Sandbox to mainspace on the same day. Please reply. David notMD (talk) 13:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

How do I get review from the sandbox draft? Wikiasd (talk) 18:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Franz Brandner has been deleted by an Administrator. You have an early version at your Sandbox. You can work on that - avoiding all wording that is not neutral point of view - and submit it for AfC review when you believe it is ready. Before that, I strongly recommend that if yours is a paid or personal connection to Brandner, you use the instructions at WP:PAID or WP:COI to describe your connection. David notMD (talk) 20:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of an article due to WP:1S

This article contains only one sentence so I draftified it. Should it also be speedy deleted? (I didn't find any criteria that it satisfies). Excellenc1 (talk) 20:16, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

The draft shouldn't be deleted as it is well.. a draft but I tagged the redirect per CSD criteria R2. Hope that helps! Kline • talk to me! • contribs 20:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion drafitfying was appropriate. If the creating editor was new to Wikipedia, perhaps some time could have been allowed to add to the 'article', but considered a long but mixed editing history of editing, making it a draft feels valid. You did the courtesy of notifying the creating editor that it was now a draft. David notMD (talk) 20:27, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Preview mode is not working

It only displays the edit window. Other features that depend on the Preview Mode, like What links here? are not working either. deisenbe (talk) 15:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

This is on an iPad using the Safari browser. deisenbe (talk) 17:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I installed the Duck Duck Go browser and it runs fine. Something I could do is erase and reinstall Safari. In fact I should do a hard close on it. deisenbe (talk) 18:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hard close solved nothing. It is impossible to un-install Safari, the system prohibits it. deisenbe (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

The inability to uninstall one browser doesn't prevent you from installing an additional browser, as an alternative. 1.33.56.248 (talk) 21:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Is RYM reliable?

Spencer524 (OP) blocked for block evasion. -- Hoary (talk) 00:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Is the genre section of Rate Your Music reliable to add as a genre on Wikipedia? Spencer524 (talk) 04:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

No. See WP:RYM.
It's always a good idea to check WP:RSP for questions about source reliability. CodeTalker (talk) 05:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

If RSP doesn't have the thing your looking for, WP:RSN is another good place to ask NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

yeah I checked, RYM isn't reliable, if you are an administrator, you might want to check Another Day in Paradise by Phil Collins page. Spencer524 (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Spencer524, and welcome to the Teahouse. If an article is citing an unreliable source, anybody may remove the citation - it doesn't require an admin.

The best action always is to find a reliable source, and substitute it; or if a reliable source cannot be found, remove the citation and the information which depends on it.

But editors being busy people and working on what they choose, often people will just add a tag: probably {{unreliable source}}. ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Antoneta Alamat Kusijanovic

I wrote an article on Antoneta Alamat Kusijanovic that wasn't approved based on notoriety. Can someone let me know why the French version of this is approved? See at link: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoneta_Alamat_Kusijanović Thank you! 2AMUser (talk) 23:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, the fr wiki has their own notability guidelines, the ones here on en wiki are different. You can see them at WP:NOTABILITY Shaws username . talk . 23:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

2AMUser, Draft:Antoneta Alamat Kusijanovic is not an article but a draft. (I suspect that the surname is misspelled, for Kusijanović.) The draft sounds strangely matey, referring to her has "Antoneta". (En:Wikipedia uses surnames -- other than for Vietnamese, Icelandic, and perhaps some other peoples.) We read that MURINA continued to garner critical acclaim as one of the Best Films of 2022 by The Hollywood Reporter, Associated Press, Vogue, Vulture, The Atlantic, The A.V. Club and The Daily Beast. Why "Best Films" and not "best films"? Why MURINA and not Murina? Why is this major claim sourced simply to "Variety", a link which, when I click on it, confirms none of this? -- Hoary (talk) 01:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Skye Terrier: - Statue - Tartan - Name Day

I would like to offer Wikipedia information on the Skye Terrier. Such as: the Life-sized statue on the Isle Of Skye unveiled by HRH Princess Anne; The Skye Terrier Tartan; and 'Skye Terrier Day' being 21 February. I have document items I will happily email to Wikipedia so as to ensure that the information is correct. Bruce Wylie (talk) 19:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia @Bruce Wylie! If you could provide reliable sources (see this), someone could definitely add the information to the page. Happy editing! Kline • talk to me! • contribs 19:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bruce Wylie. You could discuss this at Talk:Skye Terrier, but that talk page has been dormant since 2009. Cullen328 (talk) 01:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Let's elaborate a little, Bruce Wylie. If you could specify one or more of what Wikipedia classes as reliable sources for each of these claims, then you'd be welcome to do either of two things with the claim. You could post the claim/suggestion, of course with its reliable source(s), to Talk:Skye Terrier, in the hope that somebody else will add the material to the article. Or you could edit Skye Terrier yourself, adding the claim with its reference(s). Yes, the talk page has long been dormant, but no matter. If there's no response there after a couple of days, post a message to the foot of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs, inviting people to respond on Talk:Skye Terrier. Whichever your choice, it won't be necessary to send any email. (I do wonder, however, what the significance might be of "XYZ Day" being such-sand-such a day of the year.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Small arrow pointing to the left

Hello,

While editing, I have seen this symbol in the VisualEditor. I don't know what it means, and it cannot be copied to my clipboard. Can someone explain what that is?

Thank you. EatingCarBatteries (talk) 02:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@EatingCarBatteries: Those are carriage return symbols. They should correspond to single new lines made in source editor. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Second efn won't work

Guys, I feel stupid because I used {{efn}} twice in an article and the second one gives a bogus error. It doesn't do that in any other example article I see and recall editing. Please double check here! Thanks! — Smuckola (talk) 04:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Smuckola: The second one has = in it, which requires special handling. See the note at the top of {{efn}} RudolfRed (talk) 05:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Awesome. I googled this, and I was reading a Talk page comment about the cite errors, which talked about equals signs, but I didn't realize this. ;) Thanks. — Smuckola (talk) 05:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Submit Article means it is about to be published, what about the article that still work in progress?

Can I receive feedback while still working on it, even better, Wikipedia is an open source so anyone can contribute right? So, How do I "submit for feedback" not "submit for publishing" as I know it is not ready since it is work in progress, and not having article deletion all the time. Unsteadyflyingfish (talk) 05:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Clicking on "Submit article" means calling for a reviewer to decided whether it should be published. I'm not sure what you mean by saying that "Wikipedia is an open source", but yes, any editor (or more strictly any editor who isn't blocked, etc) can contribute to a draft. There's nothing in particular that you need to do in order to get feedback. Here's my feedback. First, Draft:Vasanta Group (Real Estate) is pretty close to Draft:Vasanta Group (already deleted twice in November '23 as clearly promotional). The newer draft:

Vasanta Group, a prominent Indonesian real estate and lifestyle development company headquartered in Tangerang, Banten, has made significant contributions to the nation's real estate landscape. Established in 2015 by a group of visionary founders, namely Tri Ramadi, Agnus Suryadi, Erick Wihardja, Nicholas Hum, and Denny Asalim, the company's growth has been characterized by innovation, a commitment to quality, and ethical business practices.

The older one:

Vasanta Group is an Indonesian real estate and lifestyle development company headquartered in Tangerang, Banten. Founded in 2015, The company has been active in Indonesia's real estate sector. Its founders, including Tri Ramadi, Agnus Suryadi, Erick Wihardja, Nicholas Hum, and Denny Asalim, have diverse backgrounds and experience s in the real estate industry.

You have succeeded in turning down the promotionalism, however. Still, your new draft is closer still to Draft:Vasanta Group (Real Estate) as created by you and deleted in January '24:

Vasanta Group is an Indonesian real estate and lifestyle development company headquartered in Tangerang, Banten. Founded in 2015, the company has played a significant role in Indonesia's real estate sector. Its founders, including Tri Ramadi, Agnus Suryadi, Erick Wihardja, Nicholas Hum, and Denny Asalim, have diverse backgrounds and extensive experience in the real estate industry.

And a question: Are you perhaps an employee of the Vasanta Group? -- Hoary (talk) 06:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Naming a tweet

How should I name a twitter post? Abigbagel (talk) 06:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Please see Template:Cite tweet/doc. -- Hoary (talk) 07:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Archiving references

Most references here are archived on archive.org, but is it okay to use archive.is? Kk.urban (talk) 06:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Kk.urban, you will probably find the info at WP:ARCHIVEIS helpful. It contains some comparisons between Archive.today (the main site accessible through archive.is) and other arching sites including Wayback. Unexpectedlydian^♯4 talk^‽ 07:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Should books on a page be classified under 'Further Reading' or 'In Popular Culture'?

I need some clarification on the best way to classify books on a page: under Further reading or In popular culture? Does this classification differ between BLP and Non-BLP pages? Charlie (talk) 02:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, CharlieMehta. You can read Wikipedia:Further reading and Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content for additional guidance. Here is an example: If a respected historian writes a widely reviewed new book about Harry Truman, then that may belong in a "Further reading" section. If an author writes a best selling novel with Truman as a major character, then that may belong in an "In popular culture" section. Cullen328 (talk) 02:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

The only other factor is that BLP pages require extra care and caution. Cullen328 (talk) 02:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thanks for the clarity. The example you gave clears much of the doubt I had. Charlie (talk) 11:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Article review for over 2 Month ...

hello, i have an article that has not been checked or released for two months. what can i do? (User: Don-miguel-de) Draft:CIVIS Media Foundation Don-miguel-de (talk) 12:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

It was declined today. Drafts are reviewed in no particular order by volunteers, working on what they want when they choose to. There is no way to guarantee a speedy review. 331dot (talk) 13:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Citing a YouTube video

I'm looking to contribute to a page on Lorentz force with a bit on popular culture (a game called Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance), but since I can't directly cite the game, I'm trying to cite one of the trailers for the game. However, when I was trying this out on my sandbox page, I got a message telling me the YouTube citation was blacklisted. How should I proceed? Should I look for some other source to cite?

Thanks. ThatThing1911 (talk) 09:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@ThatThing1911 Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Assuming you mean Lorentz force. In short, do not add pop-cult stuff just because it exists. What you need is a an independent WP:RS that noticed the game had Lorentz force in it and bothered to comment on it. And even if you do have that, someone might think including it fails WP:PROPORTION. I remember adding this [13], but it was removed at some point, and that's not unreasonable.

See Metatron#In_popular_culture or Tardigrade#In_popular_culture for an example of the kind of sources that may be acceptable. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@ThatThing1911: It's because YouTube short links with "youtu.be" are blacklisted. Use youtube.com links instead. Also check WP:RSPYOUTUBE. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 13:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

And Gråbergs Gråa Sång is right, too. "In popular culture" content should be usually cited to reliable sources independent of the game "that establish its significance to the article's subject". ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 13:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Editing a text further before the second review? (and bullet lists in the reference list)

Hi to everyone,

I created my first Wikipedia page a few months ago. The first review rejected it because I did not add enough sources and the text was not encyclopaedic enough. About ten days ago I made improvements and pressed the "publish" button again. As far as I understand, the text should now be sent for review again. As I now realised, an editor made substantial edits to the text in these past days. They shortened it, removed several contents, and included many new references. While those edits improved the text, they made me see I could add other edits to improve it even further with more sources and specific contents.

My questions is: should/can I go ahead and add my edits on top of those made by the Wikipedia editor, or should I hold off my edits until the article goes through review?

I also would like to know how I can include a bullet list in the list of references.

Thanks so much for your help!

Best wishes, Simonescoffier (talk) 13:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, feel free to keep improving it as the review is pending; currently there are many many drafts pending review, so the more improvements you make, the better chances are of it getting improved.

The list of references is properly formatted, you don't need to edit it.

Cheers, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Template for WikiProject requested move notifications

What template do people use to issue notifications on WikiProjects of the creation of a requested move that might be relevant to the WikiProject? I see Template:RM notice, but this doesn't seem to produce the same text that I most commonly see actually used on WikiProject pages, which looks something like this:

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Some Page#Requested move 12 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.

By contrast, Template:RM notice produces the following:

An editor has requested that Some Page be moved to another page, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion.

This later format, while communicating more or less the same thing, isn't what I actually see people using. So what's the template that produces the former (and why do people prefer it)? Brusquedandelion (talk) 13:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Brusquedandelion it looks like it's wording used in the user script rmCloser User:TheTVExpert/rmCloser. Nthep (talk) 16:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Avoiding indiscriminate listings in "Persecution of..." or bigotry/oppression-related pages

Can someone point me in the direction of any guidelines (should they exist) on how to write and structure an article on the persecution or oppression of the members of an ethnicity/religion/political persuasion/sexuality etc. without producing a WP:INDISCRIMINATE listing of every time someone did anything bad to a member of the given group ever? Are there any concrete policies on this, or litmus tests for when a specific piece of content should be included in such articles? Some example articles, which range in quality, with some clearly leaning towards the indiscriminate end of things and others not so much:

You get the idea. Brusquedandelion (talk) 23:13, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Brusquedandelion, you are talking about a very specific and very small set. So, I think no, there's unlikely to be specific guidance on article structure beyond the general MOS:LAYOUT. The best advice I can give you is, follow the sources. Our articles appear to mostly be chronological lists of events; it's mostly history. I would imagine sources talk about more than history. So, you'd have to refer to sources to find how much WP:WEIGHT sources give to various aspects. Consider WP:SCOPE and WP:BALASP. These are all top level articles on the subject of persecution of these specific groups. They need to cover society, culture, history, politics, economics going back thousands of years. And the upper limit on article size is around 10,000 words of prose; ideally, you should aim for 6,000 words. You will have to read the most important literature on the topic and summarise what you learned. Off the top of my head, things that had long-lasting impact would be more important than things that are recorded but don't standout among every other incident. Systematic oppression stories may be more important than isolated incidents or bigotry in general. Things that still have impact today would be important. For the general case of what's indiscriminate, for example, if you end up listing the various incidents of persecution, refer to WP:LISTCRIT. I hope this helps to get you started. Good luck! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Mobile page creation

Can pages that don’t exist be viewed and new pages be created on the (IOS) app? 2600:100A:B1E1:6558:82D:BE41:7B6C:7CF7 (talk) 15:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry but pages that don't exist cannot be viewed on any app, neither can they be created on the iPhone app. For more information please see mw:Wikimedia Apps/iOS FAQ Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

But you might find User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing helpful, IP user. ColinFine (talk) 17:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Changes to articles

what are the stipulations required for changes to be accepted? 2603:6080:ADF0:95A0:4A1:CDAE:63DA:7039 (talk) 12:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We can give you a better answer if you tell what sort of change you wish to make. 331dot (talk) 12:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for the welcome! I was wondering just in general once an entry is made, how do you go about editing it in the future? 2603:6080:ADF0:95A0:4A1:CDAE:63DA:7039 (talk) 16:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not much clearer. Is WP:OWN what you're after? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

It depends on the situation. Start with reading WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Editing with vpn

Aside from my phone, my only way of editing would be on my school laptop. The issue is the school uses Securly which led to a friend of mine getting her account blocked. If I sign in on my laptop will my account get blocked? Is there any way to get around this issue? (Hope this is the right place for this)Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion (talk) 18:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion Welcome to Wikipedia! If you don't get good reply here at the Teahouse, you can try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). But give it a day. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion According to [14], Securly uses a proxy server, which means that anyone using a proxy to edit can be blocked on sight according to WP:Open proxies. If your personal laptop does not use a proxy, then you should be able to edit with it just fine. Happy editing! ‍ Relativity 04:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I guess you have to log in or use an IP. Cwater1 (talk) 17:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Kernow

WP:ANI has a parallel discussion. Presumably, editors will eventually find their way to a WikiProject or an article talk page from there. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hi, why do Palestinians get to be from Palestine, but Cornish people from Kernow are forced to be "English" on Wikipedia? Do you only listen to what the colonial oppressor says about their prize or not? 86.3.208.127 (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

honestly i have thought about that too...british empire yk. india also faced this but we fought back (no political or religious issue here, just historical) General Phoenix (talk) 17:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. It's imperialism! So it's particularly galling, as a colonised minority, to be trying to correct this on English-language Wikipedia and having the editors here tell me I'm "vandalising" because they are upholding English imperialism. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 17:35, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I fixed the Richard Carew article my 'ansome. 😁 Tewdar 17:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

You are a gentleman and a scholar, thank you. Kernow bys vykken, pard. --86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Meur ras dhis, yma an wiasva ma er agan pynn, soweth... Tewdar 20:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Gwir an ger. Gwikor Frank (talk) 20:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I fixed the Kitty Jenner article, sos. If they call that vandalism, they're high. --Gwikor Frank (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

An ughella, yns... Tewdar 21:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

IP editor, Wikipedia operates on consensus, so you will have to convince other editors interested in these articles to accept the changes you want to make. There is frequent disagreement about terms like "British" as opposed to "English" for example, and it gets worse from there. A line of argument that compares Cornish people to Palestinians is unlikely to be persuasive, in my view. The bottom line is that you cannot force your changes through, and must persuade those who disagree with you, using arguments based on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

So, how, precisely, do you expect a national minority, one that has been oppressed for centuries, to convince the national majority that colonises it to agree to respect their identity? Numerically, this seems doomed from the start. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 19:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Pretty much yes, see WP:RGW. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

But the problem is, you are not recording accurately. There is no record of a legal rejoinder of Kernow to England. Legally, Cornwall is not part of England. Indeed, sources cite it as being separate from England throughout history. Wikipedia is choosing false information that does not exist over true information that does. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

And you wonder why Wikipedia editors are mostly straight white dudes from the global majority. --Gwikor Frank (talk) 20:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure we have at least an essay on "Should they be called British or whatever", but haven't found it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Might you be thinking of WP:UKNATIONALS? Shaws username . talk . 18:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks like it! The WP:UKCHANGE part seems on-topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

So, if sources support it, nationality = Cornish would be acceptable in the lead and infobox, correct? 🤔 Tewdar 19:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

In the lead I think so (although some people might disagree) but I don't think so for the infobox since legally speaking they are/were British nationals. However MOS:INFONAT does say that there's no reason for nationality to be in the infobox when it can be inferred from birthplace. So, from my interpretation, there's no reason to have the infobox give either as a nationality when it also has a birthplace. Shaws username . talk . 19:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

So it seems like what you're telling me is that it would NOT be considered vandalism to list a Cornish person as "a Cornish [author or whatever]" in an article on English Wikipedia? And yet, every time I do so, I am told I am vandalising. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

You need to provide reliable sources, like I did on the Richard Carew article. Tewdar 20:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Whilst I get while you're coming from, I'm not sure I should have to cite that Kernow isn't in England any more than I should have to cite that Tibet isn't. --86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

It's the only way to win around here, like it or not. Tewdar 20:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@SchroCat Stop reverting my CITED edits that are in line with what was discussed here. Hey @Tewdar, you need to see this. Gwikor Frank (talk) 15:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

No. Stop with the ridiculous regionalist edits. Feel free to take me to ANI if you don't like it: you will soon find out the views of the general community towards pseudo-nationalist-driven editing. - SchroCat (talk) 15:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

It's not nationalist, it's literally using CITED sources, everyone here agrees that's OK and Cornish IS a nationality! What's wrong with you? Gwikor Frank (talk) 15:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps that is a good suggestion. Reverting well-sourced material, and calling this ridiculous regionalist edits, is certainly not a very good look. I notice you did not revert my changes to Richard Carew (antiquary). Tewdar 15:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@SchroCat: - this is me asking you nicely to stop removing sourced material. Why would you want to go to ANI? The consensus and sources do not seem to agree with your interpretation. Tewdar 15:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I have spent literally all day carefully sourcing my edits and this 'fellow' has reverted them all because, apparently, Cornish is "Not a Nationality". I assume he knows something about MY nationality that the COUNCIL OF EUROPE does not. Gwikor Frank (talk) 15:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

i strongly support you General Phoenix (talk) 15:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. If you have the time to say so here that would be much appreciated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_editing_from_Gwikor_Frank Gwikor Frank (talk) 15:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP, the other thing is that you're an IP editor, sorry to say. You'll find people will be less twitchy on the vandalism reversions if you stick around for a while on a named account. -- asilvering (talk) 04:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I checked some of yesterdays edits, didn't see anyone use the word "vandalism", so "every time" is wrong. Some reverts had no WP:ES, but so did the original edits. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

It's right here, don't gaslight me. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 09:34, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Still not "every time", but yes, there it is. @The Herald, do you think WP:VANDALISM was right in context? WP:NOTVAND applies to automated messages as well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

There are four sources that describe Carew as Cornish (and several more for a CITEBOMB if necessary), and zero sources that describe him as British or English (that I could find). Incidentally, I have found Wikipedia's treatment of Cornish people, language, and culture to be, in several cases I have been unfortunately involved in, utterly disgusting. Tewdar 19:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I fully agree with you re: our treatment here. I'm an administrator over on Kernewek Wikipedia, but I never come here any more because of the way this Wiki treats us. Gwikor Frank (talk) 20:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

"I never come here any more." But here you are. 1.33.56.248 (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

What a helpful comment. You're quite right, though, I have newfound zeal for English Wikipedia editing thanks to the excellent example of shown by Tewdar. Gwikor Frank (talk) 22:22, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I read a comment the other day on here that claimed Cornish people are mostly descended from 18th century immigrant miners from the Midlands and their families. Can you imagine anyone making such ridiculous claims about other ethnic groups not getting INSTA-PERMABANNED? Tewdar 11:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Responding due to the courtesy ping Like Cullen328 said, Wikipedia operates on consensus. If your edits are being reverted everytime as test edits or vandalism, then you must approach an alternate method. I agree it might be in hindsight that the automated warnings termed them as vandalism, but they were constituting to disruption since your edits were not supported by references from reliable sources. Cornish or British, you have to back up your claim, else it will be defaulted to British per the already established consensus. You may start discussion in respective talk pages or even an RfC if you are interested genuinely in changing the 'wrong'. Thanks and happy editing. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
So, to clarify, you do not think that being born in Cornwall makes one Cornish? The facts speak for themselves! Gwikor Frank (talk) 10:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Most of the time, there are literally zero sources supporting claims that people born in Cornwall are 'British' or 'English', but somehow nobody ever asks for any sources for that. Hmm. Sounds a little bit one sided. I'd say the WP:EXTRAORDINARY claim in these cases would be that the individuals are British or English, myself. Where can I read the 'already established consensus'? Tewdar 11:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Are you claiming that people born in Cornwall are not 'British' or 'English'? Legally Cornwall is part of both England and of the United Kingdom. So that seems like a bit of a "blue sky" claim? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Who, me? I just follow the sources, me. If they say Cornish, that's what I say. If they say British or English, that's what I say. If they say nothing, I follow the relevant Wikipedia default recommendation. Tewdar 16:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Regarding the Council of Europe determination, described at Cornish National Minority, does giving Cornish people the same status as the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish, create a nation of Cornwall? Or does it just protect them as a minority within England or the UK? That source is not clear. And is it meant to apply retrospectively, to all people who have ever been born in Cornwall, or does it just apply going forward? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
It would be pretty weird if it didn't apply retrospectively, as someone famous for being Cornish, for work for the Cornish language or Cornish culture or whatever, would then be English one day and then Cornish the next. Commonsense says that for example, when Daphne du Maurier helped found Mebyon Kernow, the nationalist party in Cornwall, that she didn't feel English but Cornish. That should be something that wikipedia was able to express. Brwynog (talk) 17:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Afaict, on WP, Cornish is an ethnicity and Cornwall is a county in England (views on this exists). MOS:ETHNICITY states "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability." Going by that, it's not a one-size-fits-all situation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
In other words, if a person is notably Cornish and references can establish that, it can be used, but should not necessarily be used just because someone was born there. Is that what you are saying? Brwynog (talk) 17:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Abortions

WTH is Trump dictating ban to abortions when abortion is needed to save women's life? This is a decision made by a women and then her doctor! My first pregnancy was a result of forced sex, aka rape. It was in London, England and if the abortion was not performed it would have resulted in my death and thus death of unborn child. Tell Republicans that decision to abort has to be made between a women and her doctor! Tell them to STOP! Gzubicka (talk) 11:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using Wikipedia, Gzubicka? (That's what this page is for.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I remember a similar post... Last week maybe? It's not from the same user looking in their contribs. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

OP blocked as NOTHERE, after looking at their edits. 331dot (talk) 12:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Advocacy explains why this type of impassioned commentary is not appropriate on Wikipedia, although it is welcomed on many other websites. Cullen328 (talk) 18:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

The review process

In a discussion I had with a reviewer of an article I have drafted, the reviewer mentioned what "another reviewer" might do. This leads me to ask: Will there be "another reviewer"? How many reviews should I expect? Who would have the final say on whether to accept this article?

I'm afraid I'm finding Wikipedia's review process a bit opaque, and I would greatly appreciate clarification of this. Thanks. Johsebb (talk) 18:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. If you resubmit your draft, another reviewer will review it. As long as the draft is not rejected(only declined) you may keep resubmitting it for reviews- though it will be expected that you make progress towards resolving the concerns of the reviewers. There is no particular individual who will "have the final say"; any reviewer that feels the draft is acceptable will accept it. 331dot (talk) 18:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Johsebb (talk) 20:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Johsebb! The AFC system puts all submissions into a pile. You have not currently submitted your draft, but it was done twice previously and each time reviewed by different reviewers. You are expected to take the feedback from previous reviews and submit again when you feel you've addressed the issues. Provided you are not disruptive about it, there is no limit as to how many times you may resubmit. As long as the draft is among the submissions, it's likely to be looked at by multiple reviewers, this being a volunteer project. Most may skip, some may comment, finally someone will click the accept or decline buttons and you're back to looking at the feedback and improving the draft for another attempt. Here's what's important: You need to bring evidence that the topic you are writing about meets WP:GNG. Since you are writing about a topic in mathematics, it should be sufficient if you can show that it has been investigated and published about by multiple independent mathematicians (either the mathematicians should be reputable or the publication needs to be). Better still if someone has summarised the state of developments in the field in an independent review work or textbook. Once you have a notable topic, only the most egregious content problems may result in the draft getting declined. Your draft should not contain copyright violations or violations of the policy on biography of living persons. And your draft needs to adhere to the core content policies, verifiability, no original research and a neutral point of view, to the extent that is reasonable to expect from new editors. You may refer to MOS:MATH for some advice about writing better articles, but take the gist of it, you need not attempt to follow every advice as though it were a rule. Regards! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the detail. Johsebb (talk) 20:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Renaming an article

Hello! I came across this article and noticed that Kofax was renamed to Tungsten Automation. I see in the talk pages that there is a request to make the changes too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kofax

I don't mind making the changes, but I don't know how to change the article name and redirect it. Could anyone explain to me how and/or link me to an article about the process?

Thanks so much. LaesaMajestas (talk) 20:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@LaesaMajestas, you can change the name of an article by moving it to a different title, but I think in this case you have to discuss it in the talk page and get the approval. You can find the info at WP:MOVE. Excellenc1 (talk) 20:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Excellenc1, thank you for your help. I went ahead and moved it - it seems such a clear-cut case that I hate to delay the project and use editor bandwidth discussing the obvious. I appreciate you sending me to the relevant articles on it. LaesaMajestas (talk) 20:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Need help with formatting my user page

I just created my user page, but i would like to catogorize it and make it special, could someone expirenced help me with it? Lolzer3000 (talk) 20:22, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Lolzer3000 Welcome to the Teahouse. You may find some useful self-help resources at Wikipedia:User page design guide. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Help please

Two editors have a history of wholesale replacement of the article about the book The Wonder Weeks. I sure would appreciate an experienced editor helping to resolve the matter.

It was reverted to a stub most recently in December 2023. In February, I started revising that version. I built carefully, step by step, correcting factually wrong information and adding relevant information. Today MVoltz reverted the entirety to her version of December 2023, without notice on the Talk page. I had previously documented each substantial point on the Talk page. It is my perception that their rejoinders there either failed to recognize those points or were unresponsive to them, but you can judge that for yourself.

One editor, Pizzaman, has demonstrated on the Talk page that he is importing material from the Dutch Wikipedia community. Apparently, according to the article on the Dutch Wikipedia, this sort of edit warring is kind of the norm there. He and MVoltz seem to be upholding somebody's ill feelings about a controversy involving one author of the book which took place in that country 26 years ago. You can read what I think is an NPOV account of that controversy in my recently reverted February version. The current version (reverted to 2023) is one-sided by omission, and IMO verges on the scurrilous.

I am at a loss how to engage these two editors in good faith discussion. I am reluctant to take it to the admin noticeboard. I think it would be much better for one or more other editors to take a look and help establish a factually accurate, NPOV article. I will try to be attentive but I have an extended family funeral gathering coming up, and Wikipedia has a small part in my life. I would be most happy to have other eyes looking to the accuracy and NPOV of this article. Bn (talk) 04:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Bn: The article talk page is hard to follow. Current discussions seems to be intermingled with older discussions, and many posts are very long and detailed. Since it seems you cannot get consensus through discussion on the talk page, look at WP:DR for guidance on how to resolve the dispute. Do not engage in an edit war. RudolfRed (talk) 04:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bn, I'm afraid I think the shorter version is considerably clearer. I agree that there is a clear bias in the article against the content of the book; this is pretty normal on wikipedia for topics that are considered "fringe" - see WP:FRINGE. I do think it would be helpful if the article were expanded, but at a skim through the different versions of the article, it looks to me like most of what's in the current version should stay. I do think people have been pretty rude to you in the course of the talk page discussions, but you also appear to have baselessly accused another editor of having a COI, which isn't very kind either. If you would like to open a formal process that isn't ANI, you could try WP:DR. There's also WP:3O but I'm not sure it's exactly in scope, since the dispute at times involves more than two editors.

Werdna gave you very good advice, at the bottom of the article's talk page. If you can't see why statements like "it gives parents practical guidance to help their baby's cognitive development" or "This book derives from almost five decades of research" are not neutral statements of fact in this case, I think it's time for you to step away from the article. -- asilvering (talk) 04:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

[Edit clash] Bn, I've removed your email address from your message above. You're free to set up your account here in such a way as to allow people to email you. If they take this option, then when mailing you for the first time (via Wikipedia) they won't be shown your address. (This is good, as a small but significant minority of the small number who email me appear to be unhinged, and when I, very deliberately, don't respond, they give up. It's not a good idea to divulge your email address in any other way here, especially when you're in a content dispute. ¶ This page is not the right place for discussing content disputes, but anyway I took a quick look at Talk:The Wonder Weeks and sampled from the wall of text that I encountered there. The arguments appeared to be over content; I didn't notice any name-calling or other childishness. If you added a lot of substantive points, arguing for each, but got what has seemed to you to be an uncomprehending, unthinking or otherwise seriously defective response, I suggest that you repeat yourself, but to do so only one point at a time, acknowledging that you have made the same point earlier and briefly explaining why you're saying it a second time. Perhaps (i) Proposal; (ii) Position in the discussion above where you made the proposal before; (iv) Reasoning for the proposal; (v) Arguments against any arguments already posted against. When this first (re)proposal has been digested, and not before, set off on the second one. Et cetera. ¶ I note that you say that the article in its current state "verges on the scurrilous", and that the author of the book that's the subject of the article is described as still alive. You may wish to bring up the matter on WP:BLPN. Whether you take the matter there or to a different noticeboard, please don't take it to more than one, and please say here where you have taken it. -- Hoary (talk) 05:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, your replies are helpful in different ways. I very much appreciate your responding, even though as you say @Hoary this is not the appropriate place. I do confess to feeling intemperate, at the very late end of a long work day, to find my good faith revision (22 separate edits) supplanted apparently on the assumption that I was doing the same thing as she, copying and pasting an earlier revision over the current one. I should think the appropriate thing would have been to edit it.

@Hoary, your suggestion is best, negotiating one point at a time on the Talk page. There is a long list of points of agreement and disagreement that I posted in Talk in 2021 under Toward NPOV Consensus. There was no reply to any of them. One at a time may fare better.

Aside from what's unsupported by or contradicted in RS, the highest priority is to represent both sides of the controversy. This has several aspects, including:

Refutation vs. failure to replicate
Fired vs. resigned near end of contract
Unscientific vs. an episode within a century-long scientific controversy still ongoing

I'll nibble at it when I have time.

Bn (talk) 22:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

How do you cite a book?

What is the template Blackmamba31248 (talk) 21:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Blackmamba31248, you can find the template for citing books here: Template:Cite book. You can also cite books quite easy in visual editing mode by clicking the citation button (it looks like this: " ), then selecting 'Manual' and then 'Book'. Hope this helps! Unexpectedlydian^♯4 talk^‽ 21:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248 Just to add that you can find guidance on adding citations from books and other sources using our Source Editor at this shortcut: WP:REFBEGIN.

Alternately, if you prefer using our Visual Editor, see WP:REFBEGINVE. Hope you find reading either (or both) of these of some help. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Please fix this error

The won template for the Bulletin Awards is not working

The Little Mermaid (2023 film) - Wikipedia Rincemermaid (talk) 22:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Rincemermaid. Fixed by [15]. See "Important" at Template:Won. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

How can I change an AFD nom to a RFD?

I nominated an article called Battle of Sangrana for deletion. I now realize, after an editor pointed it out on the deletion discussion page, that it should have been a redirect. Is there any way to cancel the AFD nom and replace it with an RFD? Thanks in advance. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 01:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Suthasianhistorian8 you can either wait until the AfD closes, at which the closing administrator will redirect it, or withdraw the AfD nomination and blank and redirect. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:49, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

How can I withdraw the AFD nom? Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 01:51, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Never mind; I think this explains it-[16]. I apologize for any inconvenience I caused. I will go ahead and add the "withdrawn by nominator" statement on the discussion page. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 01:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Merged articles

I was merging articles a few days ago and forgot to apply the discussion closed template. Should I apply it now? OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 01:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

OrdinaryGiraffe, can you say where? The answer is almost certainly yes, but it's better to be specific and make sure. Regards! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Southwest Transitway (Winnipeg) and Winnipeg Rapid Transit OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 21:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

OrdinaryGiraffe, are you talking about the notes you left on the talk pages proposing merging? They are not so much a discussion, so they don't need to be closed. Since no one else voiced their opinion, the consensus derives from WP:SILENCE. You may as well call it a WP:BOLD merge. It should suffice to make a follow-up post saying that you've gone ahead and done the merge since no one objected. What you should do now is step 4 of WP:PROMERGE. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I already merged, just forgot Step 4. I wanted to confirm to do Step 4 now. OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

What's the best way to deal with copyright infringement that happened June 1, 2007 [17]? The vast majority of the content is taken verbatim from Murderpedia.org (currently blacklisted here, though I can post the full link if needed). Over 100 edits later, I'm not sure how you would identify which ones need redacting. In the meantime, I've just deleted the offending material from the article. Thanks. _signed,Willondon (talk) 19:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Willondon. Are you sure that Wikipedia copied Murderpedia, and not vice versa? The Murderpedia entry for Hein uses Wikipedia as a citation. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:44, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Looking at Earwig, there's actually a far more pressing matter, shown here. I don't believe Murderpedia even gets a passing mention due to the level of dilution almost 20 years will bring.

While it's understandable that the rating is high due to the massive quote, it's less understandable in regards to the amount of red outside of it. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. When I was checking what was and wasn't copied, I got to the end of the MP article to see "Wikipedia.org". What a mess. In the original post (cited above), the first part is almost completely unsourced, save for the official Appeals Court documents. Well at least there's not the hassle of dealing with a copyright infringement. I'm guessing the best approach is just to get rid of everything that isn't sourced. Not sure what use to make of the Copyvio Detector results. _signed,Willondon (talk) 20:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Willondon While much of the article is not referenced, it dates back to at least 2007. A more conservative approach to massive deletion would be to tag the article at the top as needing references. David notMD (talk) 20:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that would normally be my first approach, except the content has been challenged by user MaxamillionWeatherby, on the grounds that it is incorrect and/or obsolete and harmful to the living person the article is about. They've also mentioned an inability to bring the article up to date because sources haven't given coverage to the story developments some twenty+ years later. Anyway, I continue to discuss it on their talk page. So I'm satisfied with the conclusion of this thread here. Thanks again for all your insights. _signed,Willondon (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo, I was also worried seeing that but it looks like court records in the USA are explicitly not under copyright [18]. So definitely good news from a copyvio point of view! StartGrammarTime (talk) 09:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Definitely, and good to know for the future. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 10:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Anyone on here intrested in Nauran history?

For context, i have made a page on the Kingdom of Naura, and there is lots of holes in the internet when comes to teh kingdoms History. So, does anyone here know any third party websites or Books i chould use? Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:04, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

You're asking about the article, and subject, Kingdom of Nauru. Currently this cites three sources, of which one is Wikiwand, which is based on Wikipedia and therefore not a reliable source. It's a curious article, because its infobox describes the kingdom as lasting from 1888 to 1921, but the text really says nothing about this period. (It's instead about the period 1878 to 1888.) Perhaps the article would be better draftified. -- Hoary (talk) 02:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. I’m trying to Find more info on that period. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Now at Draft:Kingdom of Nauru. It wasn't ready for article space. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately WP:WikiProject Nauru seems more or less moribund, but you could try asking at WT:WikiProject Nauru. (While you're about it, you might say where/how you've already looked.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

You could also try asking the folks over at Reference desk, they might be able to dig something up vghfr (✉ Talk) (✏ Contribs) 04:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

You're not yet eligible to use the "Wikipedia Library" (WL), but you could tinker with the draft a little every now and again to prevent its deletion, and join/use WL when you do become eligible. -- Hoary (talk) 04:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248 Neither the Wikipedia Library nor Google Scholar (title search) have any meaningful results for the combination "kingdom" and "nauru", so I think that decent academic sources are completely missing. You may be better working on something else. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:04, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Recent Article

Good day, I have recently wrote something that went against Wikipedia's terms of use and it seems like my profile was suspended. How do I go about reinstating my profile. Nkgoeng Matome (talk) 07:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

You do not reinstate it. It seems that you hope to advertise yourself and Montsho Investment Group. Wikipedia does not host advertising. -- Hoary (talk) 09:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Nkgoeng Matome, your userpage has been deleted because it looked like you were trying to advertise. That is not allowed. You can make your userpage again, but you can't put any advertising on it - so don't put anything that was already there back again.

You can tell people about what you're interested in that is related to Wikipedia - some people list articles they have written or made a big difference to, some people talk about categories they are interested in, some people have links to useful Wikipedia tools. Try clicking on people's names to see what's on their userpage for some ideas, and when you want to remake your own, make sure you look at the userpage guidelines to be sure you don't put anything there that doesn't belong on Wikipedia. StartGrammarTime (talk) 10:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Your draft was deleted for the same reason: promotional/advertising. People associated with companies can declare that connection on their user page (see WP:PAID for how to) and create/submit a draft, but all content must be written in a neutral point of view and verified by references that are independent from the company (see WP:NCORP and WP:42). David notMD (talk) 12:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you David, Much appreciated... 41.13.8.11 (talk) 13:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Dates

How do I write the dates? Is it like March 8, 2014 or 8 March 2014 or does it even matter? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 13:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine If you mean in article text, try to keep it consistent within an article, and see MOS:DATE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I generally tend to use 8 March 2014/March 8 2014, but as long as the use of dates is consistent throughout the article you should be fine. Additionally, for articles with strong national ties you should use the date format of that country. So for... I dunno, Top Gear you would use DMY and for United States Army you would use MDY. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I generally tend to use 8 March 2014/March 8 2014

Please note that "March 8 2014" (with no comma) is not an acceptable date format. See MOS:BADDATE. CodeTalker (talk) 18:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

When adding dates in citations, use the format 8 March 2024, not anything else or the template might return a 'date error' even though it looks correct. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Oh yeah?^[1]^[2] Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing I was thinking more of dates like 8/3/2014 which I'm sure I've had problems with in the past. Happy to be further corrected or admonished, though. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

References

^ Mabbett, Andy (March 8, 2024). The Book of Nick.
^ Mabbett, Andy (2024-03-08). The Book of Nick (part 2).

Diane Feinstein

I certainly do not wish to offer a contemporary comment upon Senator Feinstein's 'wiki' page, at the time of her Death. However: her page has a 'monstrous ERROR'; in my opinion.

To wit: the Soviet's built their nuclear reactors in 'chicken coops', in comparison to those built in the United States. I.e. without 'Containments'. In 1986, I believe, one of their reactors, a large one moderated not by water as are ours in the U.S., but by graphite, caught on fire, at Chernobyl. Around 200 brave men, heroes actually, incorrectly thinking, based upon a data-less guess by an American Nobelist, a guy named Rassmussen, at Lawrence Livermore Labs, that the loss to atmosphere of a huge amount of fission's inherently 'dirty' radionuclides, would imply the PREMATURE DEATHS of > 100,000 to a 1.3 million, innocent men & women. Winds that day were blowing out of the East, and towards Germany. [If I recall correctly, six young females, ate from cow's milk on the Russian side of the border with Poland, and subsequently DID die from a very fast (3 day, half-life) isotope of radioactive iodine; but, on the Polish side, iodine pills were distributed for ninety days, & 0 youngsters died, or were even sickened.] After 30 years, a team with about 100 'epidemiologists' was organized under the Supervision of the United Nations, to go into the areas affected by the Chernobyl fire; & to look at the statistics to see what the ACTUAL # of premature deaths turned out to be. It was 0! Rassmussen was incorrect! Hugely!

This finding means: that Jane Fonda's utterly ignorant jaw flapping about Rassmussen's incorrect guess, killed the American nuclear development in it's infancy. Michael Douglas, another Hollywood brat, or utterly untrained, child of a star, made a movie with her called The China Syndrome, which with God's help, came out weeks before the loss of coolant accident at Three Mile Island. About 100 N-plants were up & running and In the Rate Base, when 3 Mile occurred. Thousands of highly trained math & engineering experts who designed (i.e., folks who COULD do differential equations) those facilities; but 3 Mile ended, or greatly altered their careers! As difficult as it is to imagine how, we in America essentially Threw in the Towel on them--the smart guys. Favoring the imbeciles! 1986 + 30 = 2016; & 2016 - 1979 = 47. Nearly 1/2 Century later, we learned the sordid TRUTH! Our nuclear industry was inherently far, far safer than we had incorrectly guessed. We really DO NOT even NEED an NRC! Why is this important? Because, with Senator Feinstein's error on Global Warming, we have her work which your web page develops, and we are embarked upon an absolutely unnecessary set of initiatives to correct for a Problem, that Warming, which would not exist except we followed the alarming advice of those who guessed, and guessed wrong. The advent of Rush Limbaugh, in the late 1980's, also helped us to arrive at today's hideously inept result: Rush went on a Radio terror for 3 decades, incorrectly telling millions of America's truck drivers, that CO2 did not co-establish the Earth's thermal regime. It certainly does, 2nd only to water vapor!

When appropriate, Senator Feinstein's wiki page needs a correction, in my opinion. Thank you.

Cody / Dave 66.213.114.100 (talk) 15:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

As a person without a Wikipedia account, you are prohibited from editing the Diane Feinstein article directly. You are allowed to propose new content - with references - on the Talk page of the article, for an experienced editor to then either incorporate or decline to do so. Your posting the above at Teahouse has no purpose. David notMD (talk) 15:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dave. I haven't read through the above wall of words in detail, but any concerns about contents of an article should be made and a discussion held on the article's talk page, and certainly not here. Our Teahouse is to assist editors having trouble editing Wikipedia; not making changes ourselves. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Dave, if you do post to the article's talk page about this, you should explain clearly what changes you want and supply references to support your view. And if you want people to take notice of what you write there, you should keep it brief, avoid typing in capitals, and omit the invective. Maproom (talk) 16:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Her name was Dianne Feinstein with two "n"s. I was her constituent for decades. Cullen328 (talk) 18:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

#invoke:sports results table and #invoke:Sports table

Good day! I'm looking at adding two tables to my recent edit and the tables names at #invoke:Sports table and #invoke:Sports results found on this page [[2023–24 Women's Super League]]. When I type these two on the template page using visual editing I'm not able to find the templates. Does anyone know how to add these templates? Mcwamcwa (talk) 08:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Mcwamcwa Your contributions don't include any to 2023–24 Women's Super League and I would strongly advise you to use the source editor for that sort of alteration. In source editor, Ctrl-F in my browser finds the template (within an "onlyinclude") at the top of the League table section of the article and again at the top of the Results section. There are also hidden comments that can only be seen in the source editor which help describe how to update. If you try to edit in the visual editor, then hovering over the "onlyinclude" points out in a tooltip that this part can only be edited in source mode. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Mcwamcwa: Code with #invoke: does not add templates but modules. {{#invoke:Sports table|...}} adds Module:Sports table. There is no Template:Sports table. I don't think VisualEditor can add modules. There is no mention of modules in Help:VisualEditor. Use the source editor for that. See Wikipedia:Lua#Running a module. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Some questions on the image copyright guidelines

Hello,

With adding images to Wikipedia pages, it seems like if I took the picture myself, and it doesn't violate the privacy of people and such, I can pretty much use it.

What is really confusing for me is the part about finding images that don't run into any international copyright laws- how does one find images to use, what are the protocols, and is Getty Images an okay source (I'm guessing that the photographer receives credit somehow).

I haven't added any images to pages because I don't want to violate any copyright laws, but I'm still curious about how they work.

Thank you in advance. Villaida (talk) 17:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Villaida You would be best to read the help pages at Wikimedia Commons where we host most images that are correctly licenced for wide use. They also have a help desk for detailed copyright questions. Getty images don't license their photos in a way we can use: if they did, they couldn't make money out of them! It is possible to do, for example, Google image searches and then use the Tools menu on the results to show only those with appropriate licences (often Creative Commons licenses). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

With adding images to Wikipedia pages, it seems like if I took the picture myself, and it doesn't violate the privacy of people and such, I can pretty much use it.

Yes, you can use images you took yourself, as long as you licence it under a free licence, such as Creative Commons or public domain.

What is really confusing for me is the part about finding images that don't run into any international copyright laws- how does one find images to use, what are the protocols, and is Getty Images an okay source (I'm guessing that the photographer receives credit somehow).

Ideally, you should be able to use Commons to find images (as all of those are free to use). If you can't find something there, as long as the image you are trying to use is using a free licence, you should be fine. You can also use copyrighted images as long as its under fair use, as detailed here. vghfr (✉ Talk) (✏ Contribs) 17:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Villaida, to clarify about images that you took yourself, you cannot use any photo you took that shows something that is itself copyrighted. For example, you cannot go to an art museum and take photos of contemporary art works and use them on Wikipedia. The copyright to those works of art belongs to the artist or their estate. The general guideline (though there are exceptions) is that works created over 95 years ago are now in the public domain and free of copyright. Cullen328 (talk) 18:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

that makes sense. Villaida (talk) 19:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

New-page approval pending for months, editorial process-help request from rejoined newby

I have a question about new-page approval. The French-language page for the Royal Society of Canada's president, Alain-G. Gagnon, is not adequately sourced, and so it flashes with warnings saying so: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain-G._Gagnon. There is no reason for a public figure with such a well established public profile, as for instance here (https://rsc-src.ca/en/governance-programmes/board-directors/alain-gagnon), not to have a functional Wiki page in any language. I therefore two months ago drafted a modest, meticulously sourced English-language page: Draft:Alain-G. Gagnon. It has been years since I have done any Wiki editing, so I do not have seniority, but I was careful to make the page uncontroversial, crafted to normal new-page conventions, and ready-to-go "as is." My plan was to let that one page go up before embarking on further Wikipedia edits as a rejoined member of the editorial community. Should I be editing a range of other pages credibly to improve the standing of my account so that I can draft new pages without so long an approval delay? I would respectfully request help from anyone who can guide me through the steps of contributing to the organization's fine work, and to keep whatever delays arise in public-facing posts to a minimum. Thanks for your time! Edits2024 (talk) 18:08, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello! The "standing of your account" has nothing to do with how drafts are approved: volunteers choose to review drafts and currently there's seemingly nothing to be done about the ever-growing backlog, unfortunately. Editors are not judged or prioritized by "seniority" or anything but the content of the draft.

To give a bit of critique on your draft, though not anything immediately jumps out at me as decline-worthy:

Reading through, there are 22 sentences in thee article, and it seems like half of them either don't add much substance or repeat what has already been said.
There is some puffery, but it seems easily fixable: I would simply remove clauses such as Gagnon has established himself as a prolific scholar and Gagnon is well known for institution-building in his fields of publication and study.
Particularly illustrative of what I think you could work on is the sentence An autumn 2023 colloquium was organized in Montreal to recognize and take stock of the scope of Gagnon's influence. Great! What were its conclusions? What work of his did they examine to reach those conclusions? You could strip out most of the accreditations and lists of connections, and elaborate more on what he's actually said and done instead. Show, don't tell.

Cheers, and good luck! Remsense诉 18:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification on process, and the feedback on substance. I'll do some tightening and hope for the best! Edits2024 (talk) 19:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Can someone please help fix this?

At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Visoki Dečani, the coding at the top of the page went awry, and I can't figure out how/where it happened. Any assistance in fixing it would be appreciated. Left guide (talk) 20:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I've done what I can; more eyes would be sensible. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Help me

Please someone remove protection log from Sandeep Anand, because I want to create this page. KungfuPanda2008 (talk) 20:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The removal of protection may be requested at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 20:44, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Greetings, and welcome. As noted above, you are absolutely welcome to request unprotection, but I think it would greatly strengthen your case if you created a draft article at Draft:Sandeep Anand and submitted it through the Article for Creation process. If the draft were to be accepted by a reviewer, then I'm sure there would be no objection to removing the protection so that the draft could be moved to main article space. Hope this helps. --Finngall ^talk 20:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this, I thought (the red link notwithstanding) they were referring to page protection, not salting. 331dot (talk) 21:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Non-ECP user making a page subject to ECP restrictions

Hello - pardon me if this is the incorrect place. The 2024 Ma'ale Adumim attack page was recently created by a user who lacks ECP, however, the event appears significant and the article is referenced. I've fixed ref errors & map LUA errors on the page, though I'm not sure how to proceed further on this. Should the page be speedily deleted, PROD'd, or sent to AfD? Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 21:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, I meant ECR, not ECP. Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 21:25, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

NEVERMIND! Liz to the rescue. Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 21:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Regarding outdated information about members of Rajasthan Legislative Assembly

I recently noticed some articles of members of Rajasthan Legislative Assembly, but they are not updated after 2023 elections, some articles of lost candidate show them as incumbent members or officeholders. How do i correct them because they are in bulk ammount as there are 200 members in Rajasthan Legislative Assembly. While some articles does not have proper infoboxes. TheSlumPanda (talk) 18:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@TheSlumPanda: Given the size of the task, it would be a good idea to raise this at WT:WikiProject India, and/or WT:WikiProject Elections, where editors who have the relevant knowledge and tools congregate. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Question

Is Gulf News not a reliable source? I was going to use this (https://gulfnews.com/uae/video-authorities-investigate-alleged-dolphin-abuse-at-dubai-facility-1.65572512) as a source for Dubai Dolphinarium after I had researched into Dolphinariums out of curiosity, when I was going to publish my edit, it said I was using a deprecated source, so when I removed the Gulf arab reference I used, I was allowed to publish it freely, I couldn’t find it I’m the list of (un)reliable sources, I might have been flying across the list too quickly, but TL:DR: is Gulf Arab news a non-reliable source? Cometkeiko (talk) 21:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Cometkeiko: WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard would likely be a more appropriate place to post this query; you'll get better community input there for this particular matter. Left guide (talk) 21:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cometkeiko. In 2015, it apparently was not: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_198#Gulf_News_Journal. It doesn't look as if things had got any better in 2021: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_341#UAE_news_outlets:_Gulf_News_and_thenationalnews.com. --ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

When a talk page discussion is relevant to multiple pages

Are there any (official or unofficial) guidance on what to do if a talk page discussion is relevant to multiple pages? Obviously one could post the discussion to one page, and then just informally post notification to the other related pages' talk pages, but is there a better way? Ideally what I want is a means by which the exact same discussion can appear on multiple pages, and if someone replies to it on any of the pages, the reply will be synchronized across all occurrences of the discussion on all pages. So, basically transclusion that updates with replies in the described fashion. (I could be wrong, but I don't think normally transclusion works this way— right?) Brusquedandelion (talk) 12:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Brusquedandelion I don't think there is any transclution for this. Basically, I WP:APPNOTE and hope for the best. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that is possible with simple transclusion, but it is not conventional and might get some pushback. A few Wikipedia housekeeping processes do this to group subtopics; WP:AFD is one of these, which group articles up for deletion on a common summary log page, but which actually live on an individual page. See for example, the entry for § Correspondences (journal) on today's Afd log; if you click the [edit source] link, it takes you to a different page to edit the content, and is also visible there. Not quite exactly what you are talking about, but the main piece of it.

For the purpose you want, a standard {{Excerpt}} from several Talk pages which all targeted the same source page section, perhaps a WikiProject discussion, would do what you want. (Another would be selective transclusion with the accommpanying seltrans edit notice.) The default hatnote created by Excerpt would include an [edit] link, similar to the one at the Afd log, so that wherever an editor happened to see the discussion, clicking the edit link would open editing on the one page actually containing the discussion. There might be opposition to this, likely would be imho, as by convention this is not the way it has been done previously, and might be unfamiliar or confusing to some users. One downside, is that there would still be an [edit] link for the page itself, and clicking that would lead the viewer to see only the Excerpt template wikicode, instead of the discussion they were expecting; that would be confusing, and possibly discourage or stifle contributions to the discussion, the opposite of what we would wish. Another downside might be, that when they are finished editing and save their entry, they won't be on the same page where they clicked the [edit] button, and there is no obvious way to get back there; that can be confusing as well. But chiefly, in my opinion, it would face opposition because there are procedures like WP:APPNOTE already in place and very commonly used which offer guidance on how to achieve what you want, and it works fine. Is there any reason you wish to have it appear on multiple pages, rather than follow existing practice? Mathglot (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Forgot to ping. Mathglot (talk) 22:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Sterling Pharma Solutions

Hi,

Please could someone advise which of the sources in the following article do not satisfy Wikipedia's guidelines for being in-depth, reliable, secondary and strictly independent. Draft:Sterling Pharma Solutions

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

SamNCL SamNCL (talk) 14:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Please only use one forum at a time to seek assistance; you've discussed this at the AFC Help Desk. Thanks 331dot (talk) 14:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

SamNCL, I've checked the references currently numbered 1,2,4,5,6 (not 3 as I don't have access to the source). 1 and 6 lack discussion of the company. 2, 4 and 5 are based on statements by its CEO, and so aren't independent. I'm not going to check the rest for you; it's up to you to do the work. Maproom (talk) 14:57, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

First, address whether - per query on your Talk page - is your connection to the draft paid or coi. This is required. The long list of financial dealings under Acquisitions (much of which looks like press release content) and the minor (as in major awards are subjects of Wikipedia articles) awards section contribute nothing to establishing notability, and should be deleted before resubmitting the draft. David notMD (talk) 15:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

To your pointing out on your Talk page that articles exist about two other pharmaceutical companies despite flawed referencing, so why not Sterling, Cambrex Corporation has multiple tags at the top pointing out flaws, and in my thinking, should be nominated for deletion. Lonza Group has a long list of financial dealings that could be deleted. David notMD (talk) 15:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Please also see Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. Some articles in Wikipedia, often created years ago when standards were laxer, or snuck past editorial assessment via direct creation, fail to meet Wikipedia's current standards, and/or violate its policies. When attention is drawn to them, they may be drastically edited, converted to Draft form, or deleted entirely. That they exist is not a justification for accepting something equally as poor. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.186.221 (talk) 23:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Company sends email promoting new Wikipedia page, inappropriate?

I'm on the email list for Triad Transformers (announcing new products and such) and was surprised to get this (pertinent paragraph from email):

"We are excited to share that our company officially has a page on Wikipedia! Check out the page to learn more about our origins as the Triad Transformer Corporation and our history that's a part of early Hollywood films, the beginnings of Rock & Roll, and even the Apollo Mission."

The page in question: Triad_Transformers

There's nothing in the email suggesting the company in any way created or edited the article, but the article itself was only created in October of last year, and most edits were made by that creator. Might the creator/editor have some connection to the company? It seems suspicious to me, but I don't see an IP address for the creator and don't know how to answer that. For what it's worth, there's a disambiguation page for triad, and it does not have a link to Triad Transformers. Benbradley (talk) 18:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Ask the creator on that person's Talk page. David notMD (talk) 19:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

This is now being discussed on the article's talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Whoever wrote it, it's a dreadful article. I've tagged it for advert, primary sources, and (in two cases) for sources failing verification. ColinFine (talk) 21:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I have re-draftified it. Draft:Triad Transformers. If company representatives are advertising this article, they may feel inclined to edit it, and draft space is really the only venue for them to do this directly.

@Benbradley: The creator says on the draft talk page that he's a hobbyist who wrote the article for personal pleasure. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Eric Carmen

The Wikipedia article for Eric Carmen states he was a member of "Cyrus Erie, which recorded several commercially unsuccessful singles for Epic Records". As far as I can see they only recorded one 45 cf. https://www.discogs.com/artist/2475969-Cyrus-Erie https://www.45cat.com/artist/cyrus-erie 80.236.216.92 (talk) 02:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I've added a section heading. Skynxnex (talk) 03:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Your question is based on the assumption that Discogs is complete and accurate. Nothing could be further from the truth. Like Wikipedia, Discogs is a volunteer user edited website, and like Wikipedia, it is sometimes incomplete and sometimes inaccurate, although generally useful. Cullen328 (talk) 06:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Can't figure out how to de-italicise the title of IFA Wartburg

I want to de-italicise the title of the article IFA Wartburg, as I have found that band names are usually not italicised on Wikipedia, and the name isn't italicised in the article itself. However, I can't find how to do so. I can't tell what in the source code is making the title italicised; I don't see a Template:Italic title or Template:DISPLAYTITLE. So does anyone know how to do this? Alisperic (talk) 02:06, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@Alisperic: I suspect the title is inheriting the italics from the first infobox, which is about an album that has an italicized title, further down in the article. Try adding a small infobox about the band to the top of the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist Interesting. I will try doing that and see what happens Alisperic (talk) 02:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@Alisperic I believe I fixed it with Special:Diff/1213617283, which adds | italic_title = no to the subtopic's {{Infobox album}} parameters to prevent it from trying to italicize the title. Skynxnex (talk) 03:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@Skynxnex Thanks, I think that was it. Alisperic (talk) 08:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Where do I go to report vandalism? E.g, asking an admin to ban the vandaliser?

I’ve figured to head to the admin notice board, but I’m not sure if thats the right place to go.

(Ps: reporting this user Special:Contributions/92.175.81.5) Platnieuem (talk) 09:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Clear vandalism may be reported to WP:AIV. 331dot (talk) 09:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

my profile image not uploaded.

Hi team ,i m unable to upload my imge to wikipedia.please help me . Er.prahladchandra (talk) 05:54, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Er.prahladchandra. An account needs to be at least four days old and have made at least ten edits in order to upload images to the English Wikipedia. This is your first edit with this account. Cullen328 (talk) 06:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

thank you so much for immediate response. Er.prahladchandra (talk) 07:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

If, Er.prahladchandra, you're thinking of adding a photo to Draft:Prahlad Chandra, forget it. Nothing about this draft in its current state suggests that it will be accepted as an article. Adding a photo to the draft will not make the draft more acceptable. What do sources that Wikipedia regards as reliable say about Prahlad Chandra? The draft should be based on what they say (of course citing these sources), and everything else should be removed. ¶ Incidentally, your username Er.prahladchandra has a remarkable resemblance to Prahlad Chandra. Are you related? -- Hoary (talk) 08:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Also please note that Wikipedia is not social media nor is it the place for your autobiography.Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I´m so lost in here!

I can not find a place to answer wikipedia comments... I can not find the page I started... I tried to use an existing page as a model but keep receiving notifications critizing my contribution saying it´s the wronmg way to put information... Can someone help...please.. Li MaNaRui Limanarui33 (talk) 16:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33 Are you talking about Draft:Changzhi Li? If so, it is available to edit. Note that you have to write the information on him in your own manner and not copy it from his CV. Kline • talk to me! • contribs 16:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply.

I´m a bit confuse... of course I have to put the professor CV... I can not put nothing else than the truth. Moreover it is clear and clearly referenced with the exact link.

I used another scientist page to create the exact same sections. Limanarui33 (talk) 16:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

If the only information you have of the individual is from the individual themselves it just doesn't meet notability guidelines or, more importantly, the notability guidelines for biographies.

You must use reliable, secondary sources. If you fail to do so, the article will never pass its review. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33 This is an encyclopaedia, not LinkedIn. You cannot link to a CV in an anonymous Dropbox account. We have no idea whether this is genuine or not. A CV published by an esteemed university would be preferable, but you would need to trim out all the trivial achievements, and leave us with just key ones. Please fix that. Further information on notable scientists, of which he is probably one, can be read at WP:NPROF. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:47, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

As you can check in the references I put the CV is linked to the Texas Tech University: https://www.depts.ttu.edu/ece/faculty/changzhi_li/index.php Limanarui33 (talk) 16:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

The CV is not a reliable secondary source. It is primary and can not be used to verify notability. --ARose Wolf 16:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

well, I sincerelly don´t understand your arguments but I accept whatever you said.

If it´s not possible to create a page in wikepedia for ordinary eventhought outstanding people, it´s not possible. You decide.

Thank you for the quick replies. Limanarui33 (talk) 16:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33 As I advised you last week, you have a conflict of interest, since you are one of Li's students. As a result, you write sentences such as "With an unwavering passion for leveraging cutting-edge technology to address real-world challenges, Dr. Li continues to push the boundaries of Electrical and Computer Engineering, driving innovation in both research and education." which is at odds with Wikipedia's policy of providing a neutral point of view. It is clearly possible to write articles about outstanding people: we have hundreds of thousands of them. The problem is that you have no experience in doing so and I suggest you practice by making small contributions to existing articles until you have sufficient experience to draft a new article in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33 I'm afraid some of what you've just added with this edit is just unsourced WP:PEACOCK wording. This is not the way an encyclopaedia speaks, but it is what someone paid to promote someone might say. "...deeply committed to nurturing the next generation of engineers and researchers. ...With an unwavering passion for leveraging cutting-edge technology to address real-world challenges, Dr. Li continues ..."

I repeat, that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia based upon what secondary sources (i.e. the world at large) have written about a person. I simply suggest you weed out the trivia and glowing wording about him; add key achievements as bullet points, each supported to secondary sources, not his own CV, and help a layman understand why he is notable by writing paragraphs cited to sources and less of the lists. There is no rush. You can do this by teasing out just his key achievements and accolades, and demonstrating that this scientist meets our criteria at WP:NACADEMIC. If you know (or even are) this person, please declare your conflict of interest as explained HERE.

Remember: 'less is more'. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the good advices. Limanarui33 (talk) 15:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Cleaned up some. Still needs work, per comments above. David notMD (talk) 19:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33: Please don't be disheartened b the comments above. Your subject appears to be notable, and suitable for the subject of a Wikipedia article. Although you are their student, you may still wrote about them, through the AfC process, so long as you declare this. Take a little time to look at how similar articles are written, and read our guidelines. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:49, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Joseph Edelman

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I'm currently trying to improve the page for Joseph Edelman and another editor reverted my edit saying it is not eligible for use on Wikipedia. This is a university website placing information on charity about all contributors, not just one person. I'm looking to verify if this source can be used or shall I search for more eligible source here? The text I want to add:

In 2015, Edelman donated $470,000 to UC San Diego for the Advancing College Mental Health (ACMH) pilot program, aimed at supporting undergraduates pursuing mental health professions.

. Llama Tierna (talk) 21:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

You already started a discussion at RSN. No need for one here also. --Onorem (talk) 21:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

add museum

Please add The Duryea Museum to the single-artist Museum list. The Duryea Museum, Beeville, Texas. DuryeaMuseum.com Thank you. JayneDuryea.com DuryeaGallery.org DuryeaMuseum.com JayneDuryea (talk) 21:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @JayneDuryea, welcome to the Teahouse. As you were told the last time you asked here - in this post - the museum does not currently qualify to be listed there. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 21:35, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Advice re:References

Hello Wikipedia! I wrote my first article draft and got declined. :'( xD Not a crazy shocker but definitely disappointing. I'm glad there was an invite to come here and get some pointers on how it can be improved. The draft is for an obscure Windows 3.1 videogame, may see draft article here:

Draft:Knight Moves Fox Hunt

There were two reasons that the article got rejected: 1) Lack of references 2) Style not appropriate for a wiki article

I'd like to ask for advice on both.

References: I have searched the Internet and the Internet Archive for information about this game, and there is really not much I'm finding to link to. That's actually one major reason why I wanted to write the article; humanity has mostly forgotten about the game. I've gotten material for the article by running my copy of the game directly.

Style: I'm gonna need some help knowing what to change to make the style different. I tried to make the article more like an encyclopedia, so I'm kinda lost as to what to change.

Sincerely, Ahlfi006 (talk) 22:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ahlfi006: Sources don't need to be online. You can try to find offline sources such as magazine articles. Try your local library and something like Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature. If there are no sources, then it is likely the game is not notable, in the Wikipedia use of the word. See WP:N and WP:GNG RudolfRed (talk) 22:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, Ahlfi006, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, if you cannot source any references talking about this video game, then there is no possibility of having an article about it. It's as simple as that.

We use a thing called 'Notability' to determine whether something is worth mentioning on Wikipedia. For video games, those criteria can be found at WP:NGAMES. Just as with people, business, and all sorts of other stuff, just because it exists (or existed) doesn't automatically mean Wikipedia would accept an article about them. You can, for example, find tons of mentions of me if you want to waste your time doing a browser search - but not enough to warrant an article about me. The same goes for software and games - find the independent sources that talk about that product in some detail and depth, and use that to base an article on. The user manual istelf doesn't count as a source to establish notability. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both! Huh, notability makes sense. Does seem like Wikipedia would need a metric for when to accept an article and when not to accept one.

Sincerely, Ahlfi006 (talk) 23:18, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Using the excerpt template but changing the header level

Is there a way to change the header level of transcluded content when using Template:Excerpt? This seems like a common enough use case— when you want to nest an excerpt that has headers within it at a different root heading level than in the original article— but I can't seem to find any documentation about it. If this template doesn't support it, what are the recommended alternatives or workarounds? Brusquedandelion (talk) 22:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Brusquedandelion, I presume you are excerpting a section with all its subsections? If so, switch to just excerpting one section at a time (you will need multiple {{Excerpt}}s, one for each) and supply whatever heading or subheading you want just above each individual {{Excerpt}}. Mathglot (talk) 07:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Mathglot that solution occurred to me, but is painful and tedious if there are many subsections, and would require editing of the article embedding the excerpted text every time the sectioning of the excerpt changed, which partially defeats one of the reasons for excerpting... was wondering if there was a better way, but if not, it is what it is, of course. Brusquedandelion (talk) 10:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Brusquedandelion, if you use {{Excerpt}} in in-line mode, that is to say, with |inline=yes then the output is a string not a block, and you can pass it to another template or Module for further processing. I have done this before, and it works fine although is a bit less friendly with the string manipulation involved; see for example, Ships of ancient Rome#Black Sea. You could do something like that to demote (or promote) subsections using Module:String with function replace and a regular expression (have done that, too, but not in Excerpt context) but that would be even less friendly. What I would do instead, is create a new template, {{Heading level change}} with a parameter |shift=, such that |shift=1 adds 1 equal sign left and right of every header section, 2 adds 2 equal signs, and when negative (e.g., |shift=-1), it substracts them. Embed the Module:String invocation and the regular expression there. Then transclude your excerpt like this:

{{Hlc|shift=1| {{excerpt|PageTitle|SectionTitle|inline=yes|hat=no}} }}

That should work fine, but you need to create the {{Hlc}} template first for that. Mathglot (talk) 00:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Mathglot, yeah I was essentially wondering if a template like {{Hlc}} as you described it already existed. I know I can create it, but given my inexperience with template creation, and the (apparent) complexity of this one, I was hoping someone already had a solution on hand... well, thanks, at any rate. Brusquedandelion (talk) 14:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Brusquedandelion, I could create it, but I am kinda busy right now. Why don't you try to create it, and I can answer questions, or point you to the right place if you're getting stuck. Probably best to create it first in Draft space, e.g., {{Draft:Hlc}} (can be renamed to a longer name when it's ready). How are you with creating match patterns for regular expressions? Your new template will probably have a line in it somewhere like this:

{{#invoke:String|replace|source_str|pattern|replace_string|plain=false}}

which does the actual modification. Starting points to check out are template {{Replace}} and Module:String. Lua patterns are weaker than standard regex engines, in particular, no alternation (pipe character), and a few different metacharacters: details at mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#Patterns. Ping me from the draft template Talk page if you get stuck. Mathglot (talk) 18:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks you Wikilovery (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Person not listening to me

User:Elvisisalive95 keeps reverting my edits without any summary; they also deleted my comment when I asked them about it. Can someone help? 2605:B40:13E7:F600:40FE:7B6D:17E8:D289 (talk) 03:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP 2605:B40:13E7:F600:40FE:7B6D:17E8:D289, I see two sides to this question. The editor is not talking to you. It is on them. They need to do better. But this sort of thing has happened to me too, at Songs 2 (Rich Mullins album), for example. The editor had reverted multiple attempts at redirection. So, I posted to their talk page. They didn't revert my message, but the reverted at the article again. So, I nominated the article for deletion. So, the second facet, what you can do next, comes down to WP:BLAR. As an IP, it would be cumbersome to create an AFD, so perhaps you might opt for WP:MERGE requests instead. Merge discussions are even worse-attended than deletion discussions but the final outcome that you seek would be the same, conversion of that article to redirect. I will ask the editor why they are not communicating with you, in the meanwhile. Regards! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool This IP is blanking pages prior to consensus, they had previously done the same to Metal-Head & then got blocked for edit warring. Now they’re back doing the same exact thing with another account. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 04:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Elvisisalive95, if I have this correct, they were blocked for one week in February, and they've been blocked again today. But they were not blocked in between when the recent incident occured. Honestly I am more sympathetic to the IP in the February incident. They were explaining themselves in the edit summaries and even started a discussion on the talk page. You breached WP:3RR without even using edit summaries. You were even warned by an admin to do better and you promised you would but here you failed to do so again. At no point, I see that the IP was told that policies required them to go to AFD once reverted in a WP:BLAR attempt. If someone had, then the case for disruptive editing would be much stronger. Please talk to editors who are not blocked, especially when they initiate conversations. WP:BLAR is not vandalism. Please stop characterising it as such, moving forward. As a recent changes patroller, it is paramount that you be precise about the reasons and the warnings that you use, since you are using automated warnings which say very specific things, which if they don't apply, the people who get warned are liable to think it was a mistake and just ignore it.
IP, you are blocked again, for one month, this time. You really need to stop edit-warring. That never gets you your object. Especially as an IP editor, you are easier to block and forget about than mentor. Please either make an unblock request or wait out your block. When you get back, only ever blank and redirect an article once. If that does not stick, initiate formal deletion procedures. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

First of all i want to thank you for taking your time to go through this entire matter. As for this matter, failure to go through the proper channels & blanking pages prior to consensus is vandalism. That’s why they got blocked for the 2nd time. I had already explained that to them the last time and they came back doing the same thing. Template warnings were sufficient for this specific case in my opinion. Again, thank you for what you do, you’re appreciated here. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 17:55, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Elvisisalive95, please refer to WP:VANDALISM. The word has a specific and narrow meaning on Wikipedia, and abusing it is considered a personal attack which is prohibited by our behavioural policies. Whether you use an automated message or write your own, you are responsible for its content. Templated warnings are sufficient when they say what is reasonable to say in a given situation. Regardless, you don't get to drop warnings and completely refuse to talk with them further, communication is still required. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you my friend. Bottom line is no one can blank a page prior to consensus, which is why the IP got blocked. I hope you have an awesome week! Elvisisalive95 (talk) 18:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Elvisisalive95, no that is not the bottomline at all. Did you read WP:BLAR? Did you read about the differences between legitimate and illegitimate blanking at WP:VAND? I see you've just been granted rollback by Fastily, so please take your time to figure out what vandalism is, because you are not allowed to revert non-vandalism with rollback. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 01:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your response, again thank you for taking your time to look into this situation. I appreciate what you do. I can safely say @Fastily has carefully examined my contributions & has trust I will use rollback correctly. My suggestion for you is to get in touch with who originally blocked the IP, or even who reviewed his unblock request to raise your concerns with them. All the best my friend. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 02:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Well done Wikilovery (talk) 01:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Reference problem

Hi, I'm working on this page and there is a problem with one of the references. At the bottom of the Notes section, you'll see this text:

Cite error: A list-defined reference named "Hearn 2005" is not used in the content (see the help page).

Can someone explain to me what the problem is, and how to fix it? Wafflewombat (talk) 22:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1218. You should place Hearn 2005 in the body of the text where it's relevant instead of inside a notelist. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. Unfortunately, I don't understand your suggestion. I know about using the "sfn" template to quickly cite a book in the references section, which I notice has been done several times with Hearn. But I don't know what it means to "place Hearn 2005 in the body of the text." Wafflewombat (talk) 01:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Like it says, the reference you're using isn't being used as a citation in the article. You should place it where it's relevant in the article text. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

The Hearn book is listed in the Works Cited, and it's cited multiple times throughout the article (in the References section, there are lines such as "Hearn 2005, p. 102."). So I'm not sure what you mean. Wafflewombat (talk) 01:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

As I wrote below, the specific text that is causing the error is the "notelist" template in the Notes section. The error is caused because you deleted the following from the article, which links to a quotation (?) from the book: {{efn|name=Hearn 2005}} Recon rabbit 02:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies. Are there ways I can resolve the issue other than reverting the edit? Wafflewombat (talk) 02:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I've resolved it for now by commenting out the offending template (using the symbols  around it), and it can be restored later if someone finds the text is useful later. Unlikely since there is a slightly similar note that says the same thing. Recon rabbit 02:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 02:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

When you made this edit to the page, the note Hearn 2005 in the text was deleted, but it was still present in the notelist at the end, which caused that error. I don't know why that specific note is in a notelist and none of the other ones are, but it may be because the same note was used twice prior to your edit. Recon rabbit 00:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

New Member

I am new to Wikipedia. What should I do besides edit articles? Wasabi-The-LoreMaster (talk) 14:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

You can head to WP:TASKS to see a pretty good list of what to do on Wikipedia. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@Wasabi-The-LoreMaster If you want a sort-of list of what's "going on", you can glance at Wikipedia:Dashboard. Note that some of these are known as drama-boards and one needs some experience to participate constructively. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps you'll find Wikipedia:Reference desk interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the project, Wasabi-The-LoreMaster. After looking at the interests on your user page, I'd like to point out that WikiProjects exist to loosely organize collaboration in those areas. You don't have to take any formal steps to join; you can add any of these to your watchlist: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games, or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science Fiction. The one for video games is quite active.

Also, I'd advise starting by working on existing articles. People try to begin by creating a new article and get burnt out without ever getting the first article up. If you do get around to creating an article, I'd recommend this essay which offers an explanation of both the process and also why people get stuck and burn out by doing it "backwards": Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles backward. Good luck, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Finding essential essays and guides for WP

Is there a list/category/anything that links all the essential guides and essays to WP? If not, just link me the essentials guides and essays. Platnieuem (talk) 07:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Platnieuem: Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! The links in the first section in your talk page are a pretty good place to start. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 09:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Platnieuem. The only pages of this type that enjoy widespread authority are those clearly labeled as policies or guidelines. Anyone can write an essay on any aspect of Wikipedia. Some essays are borderline nonsense espousing fringe views, while others are widely respected and endorsed by being widely cited by productive, knowledgable editors in serious conversations. But an essay cannot override a policy or a guideline without widespread consensus, which might well result in elevating that essay to the status of a policy or guideline. Cullen328 (talk) 09:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Responding to edits.

So, I and another editor are having a light disagreement as of late, and a third editor came in and suggested that rather than reversing each others edits over and over, we should communicate. However, due to the (in my opinion) scattered UI of Wikipedia, I've embarrassingly failed to find a feature to be able to talk with other editors one-on-one / privately. User Talk pages feel too personal and not really any better, and it feels inappropriate to start a new topic in the page's talk section just for two people to discuss. I'm terribly sorry if I missed something horribly obvious. MagiTagi (talk) 05:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MagiTagi. Edit warring is a blockable offense. Do not ever edit war. User talk pages are for respectful conversations with other editors. Do not hesitate to use them for that purpose. Cullen328 (talk) 05:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

MagiTagi, as for communicating privately, please be aware that Wikipedia is based on openness and transparency to the greatest extent possible. Email communication, for example, should be limited to circumstances requiring confidentiality. Disagreements over content are routine and do not need to be hidden. Cullen328 (talk) 05:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Obviously, I know, it's why I'm asking how to not do it.

And yes, I comprehend that Wikipedia is a transparent platform. MagiTagi (talk) 10:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

MagiTagi, there's nothing inappropriate about starting a discussion on an article's talk page when you expect only a single interlocutor. If there do end up being just the two of you, that's fine. And your discussion may bring in other participants. -- Hoary (talk) 09:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Create a "deleted" page

Hi there, I was trying to write about a topic in my sandbox User:YvonneNo1/sandbox (draft only, not finished yet), and some how found out that this topic was rejected before. A bit at a loss right now since I spent considerable time to prepare my draft. Should I submit my version for review via afc? What would you guys advise me to do? YvonneNo1 (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@YvonneNo1: I advise you to be cautious. You can see why the other draft was rejected. You will want to make sure that your draft is written neutrally without any hint of being promotional. Make sure that any sources you provide are independent, reliable, and cover the subject in-depth, so that it is clear the subject is notable. Fewer good sources is much better than many poor sources. You may want to spend some time working on other things, to let time go by. More sources may become available in the future. You can continue to work on your draft, but make sure it is quite solid before submitting it to AFC review RudolfRed (talk) 03:22, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @RudolfRed for your insights. I went through the history of this topic and I do agree with the previous reviewers about the tone that the deleted draft was written in. Trying to be cautious on my submission, and if you are interested in this topic, could you please help to review my draft in my sandbox? Or is there a better way to send the review request except AFC? YvonneNo1 (talk) 05:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

You moved Blockchain-based Service Network to mainspace without going through AfC (opposite of cautious), so you will need to wait for the opinion of a New Pages Patrol reviewer. David notMD (talk) 10:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Can someone help to fix this?

I have created an article with the best references, but my draft Agha Majid was rejected. How can I improve this article and publish it on Wikipedia? My dream is to write for Wikipedia. Please help me! MobeenYounasDigitalCreator (talk) 14:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Please only use one forum at a time to seek help, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 14:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

MobeenYounasDigitalCreator Your account has been indefinitely blocked for suspicion that you are an undeclared paid editor for this article. You must appeal the block before any other action can be taken. If you succeed, the draft was Declined, which is less severe than Rejected. David notMD (talk) 11:08, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject New South Wales

When are projects euthanized? Wikipedia:WikiProject New South Wales has seen little discussion on the talk page for a couple of years and some of the sub pages are decades old (eg: Wikipedia:WikiProject New South Wales/Missing topics, Wikipedia:WikiProject New South Wales/To-do, Wikipedia:WikiProject New South Wales/Cleanup listing) 76.14.122.5 (talk) 03:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

There is no hard-and-fast rule. I suggest you raise this on the talk page of the next-wider ("parent") project, in this case WT:WikiProject Australia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Advice: Nominate this page for deletion?

Hello, I am still new to editing Wikipedia, and I have a article: Wheaton Youth Center, which mostly talks about a rumor that Led Zeppelin performing in the Wheaton youth center, but the sources are either not working or talking about the, and there seems to be no notability to this page besides the rumor, and the section where it lists the artists who performed was either deleted, and was never archived. I want to redirect the information to the page about the city as a whole: Wheaton,Maryland But I'm not sure I have enough proof to nominate this page at all. Thank you. Wikihelper910 (talk) 02:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I have trouble imagining that both the articles Wheaton Youth Center and Led Zeppelin Played Here are merited. Indeed, I'm not sure that even one of them is. But then I must plead complete ignorance of "the emerging suburban Maryland concert scene". Incidentally, the list of bands that played there is (via the reference currently numbered 1) attributed to a web page that's disappeared but is archived here; it presents no evidence that any of the bands played there or even any supporting detail, and anyway is written by unspecified people hoping to produce, or otherwise related to, Led Zeppelin Played Here. Perhaps some tea-housed Marylanders would care to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 09:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

If anything, merging would be preferred over deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Article topic

Hello. I have been a Wikipedia reader and donator for several years, and I love Wikipedia. I am writing to see if a new article needs to be created or perhaps you could direct me regarding the topic I am about to discuss. In my recent past I started sending more text based communication to various entities over the internet. These include government organizations and other various corporate organizations. Over the course of several years I was attempting to communicate with the FBI via their tip website. I never received a single return correspondence from them. I want to try and make sure that all the time I spent writing to then doesn't gonun-noticed. I started writing to them after I got arrested for the first time in Allen, TX. I was arrested for disorderly conduct. I felt taken advantage of because of that situation. APD has been the subject of investigation for killing a man named Edgar Veras close to where I used to live, and I identified with that families frustration with the police department. I had all sorts of police contact when I lived in Allen, and I don't think a single person that dialed 911 had a valid reason for what they did. I have written to governments all over the world mainly about tobacco sales,but also regarding psychiatric medication. I scored a 4.0 in behavioral neuroscience at UTD, and I think that large numbers of people need to know and would benefit from, what I am discussing. Shifting topics...I have a grievance with The UTD Mercury regarding their online behavior as well. Thank you!!! Richard George Ashton II Rickytexan1 (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

There is absolutely nothing you can do on Wikipedia with this. You need to use your own blog or website. Theroadislong (talk) 20:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I simply disagree with you. I don't have a problem with the idea of having my own blog or website,I simply don't think I have the financial resources available for that right now. I searched for a page on Wikipedia solely about the Allen Police Department,and it doesn't exist. Are you trying to say that Wikipedia shouldn't have articles about local police forces? What about pages about people like Edgar Veras who died under suspicious circumstances? I felt negatively reinforced by your reply, but that doesn't mean I didn't learn from it. I will try my best to respect Wikipedia's guidelines, and I would never do anything on here to intentionally cause an any type of disturbance. I just think the exact opposite of you. Rickytexan1 (talk) 16:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia isn't the place to right great wrongs. It seems that you have a conflict of interest as well. 331dot (talk) 20:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Rickytexan1 There are a large number of places where you can create blogs for free and say whatever you want for example https://www.wix.com/start/blog but there are restrictions on what you can do on Wikipedia. and as above Wikipedia isn't the place to right great wrongs. Theroadislong (talk) 16:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Biographies of living persons

Hi there! I've found some issues in the Andrea Saltelli article: 1) A potential conflict of interest between the initial editor and Saltelli from prior collaborations. 2) The tone seems promotional. 3) The biography section lacks citations. After flagging the article for maintenance over a week ago, I'm unsure whether to remove this unreferenced section or wait longer. Tips on the appropriate "grace period" for addressing unreferenced content for both BLPs and general articles would be really appreciated. HerBauhaus (talk) 14:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@HerBauhaus: Unless there are egregious attacks, I would wait longer. You may also ask for input at WP:BLPN. Also, if you mention other editors in circumstances like these, you should notify them on their talk page (I will do that now) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing, thanks for checking out the article and consolidating the editing requests. Your approach makes sense, and I appreciate the tidy-up. Regarding the COI being tidied-away as well, could there be a specific reason for that too? HerBauhaus (talk) 15:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@HerBauhaus:As I said in my edit summary: "see template documentation". Documentation for {{COI}} says (formatting per original):

Like the other neutrality-related tags, if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start a discussion, any editor will be justified in removing the tag without warning.
[...]
Do not apply this tag simply because you suspect COI editing, or because there is or was a COI editor.

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Article

i wrote article in georgian wikipedia (my native language) about politician person biography and this is publish. i wanted translate this article and try write in enwiki and it didn't published because there is problem what can i do? i wrote person of enwiki but i also can't published ნინი ყალაბეგაშვილი (talk) 13:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@ნინი ყალაბეგაშვილი Some guidance at Help:Translation. Your article has to meet the en-WP requirements of WP:N. If it doesn't/can't, it will not be accepted. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ნინი ყალაბეგაშვილი, thank you for your interest in translating an article. It appears that you have submitted the article to WP:AFC but it has been rejected. This is because your draft article does not contain adequate reliable sources. You should try to back up all statements with a reliable source (see WP:RS), and you must do this for statements which could be challenged, and when you are writing contentious material about a living person. WP:MINREF has some useful information which might help you.

If you cannot find enough sources to back up the statements in the article, this may be an indication that the article subject is not notable and therefore cannot have a Wikipedia page about them (see WP:N).

Additionally, in your draft, there are a few things you will want to fix. For instance, you have linked dates, which you should not do. You have also linked a heading ("Political activity"), which you do not need to do.

You can continue to work on the draft and resubmit to AFC once you think the issues have been fixed. Unexpectedlydian^♯4 talk^‽ 13:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Declined, not rejected! Important difference. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

My apologies! Thank you for the correction. Unexpectedlydian^♯4 talk^‽ 16:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

request an article

i know theres AfD, where you request deletion of an article, but is there AfC? i noticed that the game Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades doesnt have its own page despite being covered in a few secondary sources 216.100.95.82 (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. The Articles for Creation process (using the Article Wizard) is available for you to create and submit a draft for review. If you just want to suggest an article, that is Requested Articles, but the backlog there is severe and any request you make may not be acted on for some time, if ever. 331dot (talk) 16:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

There's also Wikipedia:Requested articles. You can add to that list. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

This page does not exist. The deletion, protection, and move log for

This page does not exist. The deletion, protection, and move log for.my user and page name is same. Alomgir Hossain Connect. It is my age name Alomgir Hossain Connect (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Based on the reasoning and your username I'd assume that your userpage was advertising for either you or the company you own/work for. If that is the case, it cannot be posted on your user page. Wikipedia is not a web host, you cannot use your userpage for advertising, nor can you use Wikipedia for advertising purposes.

Please read the deletion reasons on that page, it will fully explain why your userpage was deleted. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

E/C ::Your user page was deleted as a misuse of Wikipedia as a web host, you can create articles at WP:AFC. Theroadislong (talk) 17:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Alomgir Hossain Connect. The reason given for deleting User:Alomgir Hossain Connect was Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host. As an adminstrator, I can read deleted content. The purpose of your userpage is promarily to tell your fellow editors about your accomplishments and plans as a Wikipedia editor. It is not to be used as a means to promote yourself to the world. You are a student and are not a notable person. Please be aware that trying to write an autobiography is highly discouraged. Cullen328 (talk) 17:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Help

Hi, i am extended confirmed user still not able to edit some extended confirm protected articles. Why? Whois360 (talk) 09:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Whois360, you are not extended confirmed. You will be soon. Just wait. You will probably get a notification. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

It looks like you hit the 30 day mark today. This isn't instantaneous, it probably happens during a nightly bot being run. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

HELP

Hello. I am running into problems with admins when it comes to getting my article approved. Can someone help me understand what could help? LivingWellat50 (talk) 09:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I guess this is about Draft:Una Nation. Your problem is not with admins, it's with reviewers who have declined your draft, giving their reasons in the notes they've left at the top. You need to establish that the subject is notable, in Wikipedia's idiosyncratic sense. Which three of the sources cited in the draft do most, in your opinion, to establish that Una Nation is notable? Maproom (talk) 09:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

If this is about Draft:Sharon (odd title), Wikipedia does not do future events. Tag the draft for deletion. David notMD (talk) 11:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

If they meet WP:GNG, WP absolutely does future events, some examples at 2026 United States elections. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I thought wikipedia did future event. I knew I couldn't be wrong about THAT. lol LivingWellat50 (talk) 11:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Heat death of the universe, another example. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

WELL... THEY DENIED TH ARTICLE AGAIN! They said "too soon" LivingWellat50 (talk) 14:39, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

So it seems it didn't meet WP:GNG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)\

@LivingWellat50: As I have already explained in response to your query over at the AfC help desk earlier this week, the references you have provided in Draft:Sharon (actually about the 2026 Oregon gubenatorial election) do not concern the 2026 election. We can absolutely cover future events, if and only if those future events have been properly covered by reliable sources. Without these sources, there is no basis for an encyclopedia article on the subject at this time, even knowing full well that such sourcing will come later. In the meantime, the collection of references to the 2022 election which you have provided in the draft do not by themselves constitute a sufficient base for an article on the 2026 election. That's what we mean by too soon. --Finngall ^talk 18:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I see! Thank you for your explanation! It actually was very helpful. Thank you again! :D LivingWellat50 (talk) 18:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I do not know why it put my name as the title. Alas, it is. I need it changed. How do I change the title of an article?LivingWellat50 (talk) 11:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I see you found it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Election infoboxes broken or is it me?

Election infoboxes looks like this idk what to describe Number 69 420 18:08, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh its fixed now Number 69 420 18:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Gary J. Pielak article

Regarding the Draft:Gary J. Pielak article, I have removed all outside links.

In reference to User:Afyaniuhai comment, would any of these qualify as outside sources for Professor Pielak?

https://mcbblog.nsfbio.com/tag/dr-gary-pielak/
https://research.com/u/gary-j-pielak
https://www.molecularcloud.org/cloud-scientist/Gary-Pielak/1710.html
https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=TJ0hb48AAAAJ
https://www.biophysics.org/news-room/biophysical-society-announces-2024-society-fellows

-- Larssahl (talk) 15:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

in addition to these UNC references...

https://chem.unc.edu/faculty/pielak-gary/

https://pielakgroup.web.unc.edu

https://unclineberger.org/directory/gary-pielak/

https://www.med.unc.edu/biochem/directory/pielak/ Larssahl (talk) 15:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Larssahl and welcome to the Teahouse. Pielak is a professor, so the requirements for an article are meeting one of the criteria at WP:ACADEMIC. The only "outside" sources needed are the ones that confirm meeting those requirements. Among other things he meets criteria #2 since he has just been elected a Fellow of the Biophysical Society "for his biophysical studies on protein structure and dynamics, both in vitro and inside cells, with a particular emphasis on crowding." Everything in the article must come from a reference for how to show this. See Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/1. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

How do we make a suggestion for improvements to Wikipedia?

I have a request for a suggested improvement to Wikipedia that I've always wanted to know if possible to make, but I've never seen exactly where one can submit these ideas for usability and accessibility enhancements.

Does anyone know where one can properly suggest this, so I don't get yelled at for doing it in the wrong place? I really wish I had known about this *friendly* place years ago.

Thank you! Skippingrock (talk) 19:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Skippingrock, thank you for your interest in improving Wikipedia! You are probably looking for the Wikipedia:Village pump, where you can search for, propose and discuss ideas. Unexpectedlydian^♯4 talk^‽ 19:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

thank you so much! Skippingrock (talk) 19:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Skippingrock. It's not clear from your question whether you mean improvements to particular articles, or to the way in which Wikipedia some aspect of Wikipedia works. If the latter, Unexpectedlydian's advice is right. But if it is about particular articles, those articles' talk pages is the place to bring it up. ColinFine (talk) 22:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Getting a new page approved

I am an intern for a nonprofit organization and I am trying to create a wikipedia page for it. I have read all the criteria and I have all contents needed. However, my company does not have anyone with editing experience on wikipedia to bring it out the sandbox. Is there a way to get around this? 71.187.82.229 (talk) 21:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid the answer is almost certainly No, there is no way to get around this.

I would advise the following actions:

Read BOSS, and show it to your boss.
If, despite this, you wish to continue, read WP:NCORP and WP:42 very carefully, and make sure that you can find the reliable independent sources which talk at some length about your organization - remember that absolutely nothing written, published or commissioned by the organization or its associates will help, and nor will anything based on an interview, or a press release.
If you can find such sources, then (and only then) there can be an article about it. Ideally you would not write it, as you have a conflict of interest, but it's not very likely that somebody else will do so if they haven't already. (Whatever you do, do not pay anybody to do this: most of those offering such a service are scammers - see WP:SCAM, and any honest ones will admit up front that they cannot guarantee that an article will be accepted, or that it will say what you want it to).
If you are going ahead, I will give you the advice I always give new editors: don't even think about creating a new article until you have spent a few months learning about Wikipedia by making improvements to existing articles. I appreciate that this advice is unlikely to be welcome to you; but the likely alternative is that you will spend those same months in a frustrating and disappointing attempt to do something that you have not yet acquired the necessarily skills to do.
Whenever you decide to go ahead with creating this article, you must first make the mandatory declaration of your status as a paid editor (even if you are an unpaid intern, Wikipedia regards you as a paid editor).
Then read and follow WP:YFA.
You will maximise your chances of creating an acceptable article if at this point you forget absolutely everything you know about the organization, and write a summary of what the independent reliable sources say.

If this sounds discouraging: I'm afraid that, in a way, it is meant to be. I would discourage anybody from attempting to create a Wikipedia article before they have spent the time learning the policies that Wikipedia works on; and I would discourage anybody at all from creating an article about themselves or their organization. --ColinFine (talk) 22:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

how to get a new page approved

I am an intern for a nonprofit organization and I am trying to create a wikipedia page for it. I have read all the criteria and I have all contents needed. However, my company does not have anyone with editing experience on wikipedia to bring it out the sandbox. Is there a way to get around this? Maggie Curole (talk) 21:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Maggie Curole, welcome to Wikipedia! If you wish to create a Wikipedia page for an organization you're a part of, that is called a conflict of interest. In short, we ask that editors avoid editing or creating articles about their organization. Please see your talk page for more information and the relevant guidance here: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Please also see the COI FAQs and the heading "Can I start an article about myself or my company?" Unexpectedlydian^♯4 talk^‽ 21:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Maggie, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm guessing that you are the person who posted the previous entry without logging in: please see my lengthy answer to that. ColinFine (talk) 22:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Edit Article or Talk page first?

When an edit needs to be done on both the Article and Talk page, which one should be edited first? OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 00:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello! What kind of edits are you talking about? It would be helpful if you could link the specific page your question is about, if any. Cheers! Remsense诉 00:10, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Jason Dharmaraj (bishop) (Revert with notice)

International cricket in 2019-2020 (Stub rating removal) OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 00:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh! It really doesn't matter, Wikipedia doesn't move that fast even on the most-watched articles at their most watched. Remsense诉 00:22, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 00:25, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Cheers, and happy editing! :) Remsense诉 00:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Copy editing

Is there any useful scripts that help with copy editing? Platnieuem (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Platnieuem: There are some listed in the tools sections of the Guild of Copy Editors project page: WP:GCE. For things like typos, WP:AWB can be useful but I've never tried it (see WP:TYPO) RudolfRed (talk) 00:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Article’s function is advocacy

The entry on Raheem J. Brennerman is not an encyclopedia article. It purports to be a factual account of Brennerman’s legal problems, which in truth seems intended to garner public support for his various appeals, complaints, suits and counter-suits. Not incompetent, but an exercise in rhetoric. What to do? Drsharps53 (talk) 01:39, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

It looks like there's been a ton of content added by one person from what looks like a very biased source ("Free Raheem Brennerman"). This may be a subject more for the Biographies of Living People noticeboard, since the article itself has very few people watching it. Recon rabbit 02:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I've removed some uncited material and rewritten the legal section to focus on content from secondary sources. I'd welcome someone else looking over it given the nature of the material. Shaws username . talk . 05:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

How to upload this picture

Hi there i wanted to ask how could i upload this Picture Ali Jinnah Inspecting Guard Honour Baloch regiment, which i wanted to use in the article. How can i upload this on Wikicommons without any copyright? Rahim231 (talk) 12:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. That likely depends on copyright law regarding images in Pakistan, depending on when an image enters the public domain. 331dot (talk) 12:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

See c:Com:Pakistan. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

I read the page and in Copyright tags it said (all photographs enter the public domain fifty years after they were published, and all non-photographic works enter the public domain fifty years after the death of the creator). so i think the Picture which i want to upload is obviously above 50 years, which was taken in 1948. So i can freely upload this Muhammad Ali Jinnah Inspecting Guard Honour Baloch regiment Picture or the person who uploaded on the web also counts as 50 year limit? Rahim231 (talk) 06:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Are we allowed to draftify a recently accepted AfC?

Genuinely curious Comintell (talk) 02:11, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:DRAFTOBJECT, a brand new article in mainspace can generally only be draftified one time, and one time only. If it gets moved back into mainspace after this occurs, then it means that the initial draftification was controversial, and needs to go through the proper steps to agree on an outcome for the page. Now if an AfC draft is recently accepted, that means that an AfC reviewer thought it was suitable for mainspace. Moving it back to draftspace would therefore be controversial and should not be done unilaterally without discussing it first. There's likely other venues for dealing with such pages, such as Articles for Deletion.

I see that you recently had an accepted draft through AfC though. If THAT'S the article you'd like to draftify, that seems to probably be fine, given that you're the primary author. But it probably depends on exactly what you're hoping to draftify. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

It was draftified by an admin the same day it was approved. I was confused. I believe it is worthy of mainspace. I contacted them and let them know, because they didn't notify me. Thanks for the heads up Comintell (talk) 07:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, an article that was accepted via AFC should only be draftified under very unusual circumstances, because if another reviewer disagrees with the reviewer who accepted the article, they should nominate the article for deletion and obtain the consensus of the community. Draftification should be for articles that were created in article space or moved to article space before they are ready for article space. If a reviewer has made the judgment that the article is ready for article space, and another reviewer thinks that it is not ready for article space, they should normally move it back to draft space unilaterally. Some reviewers move contentious articles to draft space rather than nominating them for AFD because an AFD nomination is work, at least if the before AFD work is done. That is, draftifying is the easy way, but sometimes the easy way is the lazy way. There are exceptions, but I think that if another reviewer disagrees with the acceptance, the better approach is AFD. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Violating Wikimedia trademark?

Does this non-wikipedia webpage violate trademark by using the Wikipedia name and logo? Jim.henderson (talk) 07:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@Jim.henderson: Almost certainly yes. You can report it as described here, if you wish. Tollens (talk) 09:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Is it acceptable to copy and paste statements from the website of a company?

The Boring Company has statements regarding the safety features that they have in place. I copied and pasted this information for the article. Someone removed this, stating that it was not factual. I am confused, as the company has published this on their website. Why can the edit be removed? JKNZ99 (talk) 00:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Because that's copyright infringement. Moreover, Wikipedia is a tertiary source, that means we synthesize information in primary sources, not simply repeat it. Remsense诉 00:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

i think you mean we're focused on information from secondary sources (article on it), not primary ones? true, there are reasons to use primary sources, but most still should come from secondary ones. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, my bad! I was thinking in the context of a direct quote from a primary source, which should generally be interpreted in the context of secondary sources, and not leaned on in itself. Thank you. Remsense诉 01:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, JKN99. Generally speaking, Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. There are exceptions, but that is a good place to start. ColinFine (talk) 10:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

inconsistency between two articles factual astronomy

Am I correct that Cygnus X1 is said to be 20 solar radii and SAG A* is reported about the same size ? Is the Schwartzchild radius dependent on mass ? Would this imply the tail wagging the dog ? If an error occurs , how does it get corrected ? Seeker314159 (talk) 20:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@Seeker314159: Your question is unclear to me. If you have a suggestion to improve a Wikipedia article, you can discuss it on the article's talk page. If you have an astronomy question, try the reference desk at WP:RDS RudolfRed (talk) 20:06, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello {{U|Seeker314159}, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is also unclear to me, but yes, the Schwarzchild radius certainly does depend on the mass. --ColinFine (talk) 21:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Pinging Seeker314159, as I made a mistake doing so in my reply. ColinFine (talk) 21:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

sent clarification to volunteer e-mail

info-en-o@wikimedia.org

summary radius disagreed with radius in article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_X-1

I can copy you into that e-mail if you like with snips from webpage .

Shall I assume they will address the inconsistency ? Seeker314159 (talk) 11:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Declined Article For Babatunde Apalowo

I recently submitted an article for review but was declined because it was supposed to be a duplicate article of this - Babatunde Apalowo -- waiting for review. On clicking this, I saw that it was already reviewed but rejected by several editors. I would reject the article myself as it is very scanty and not up to task unlike my article, which is much more detailed and provided relevant citations.

Should I simply re-edit the previous declined article (Can I even do that?) Or, what can I do in this situation. Apologies if this is a noob question, because, I am actually new. Thank you. Judeylive (talk) 10:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you should edit the existing draft. Drafts do not belong to the editors that create them. 331dot (talk) 10:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Judeylive I just read the rejected draft, and was thinking:

"He sounds like a mature Nigerian graduate I stumbled across recently, who was a crew member (DOP if I remember correctly) on a relatively recent Bournemouth based short film, by people from Bournemouth University, the University of South Wales, and 1 or 2 other universities, which I added to IMDB. He had apparently been in the industry for over 30 years, had worked on various films and TV shows from multiple countries mainly in Nigeria, and had won multiple African awards from various African countries... Yet his filmography was practically empty, and most of the Nigerian TV shows he had apparently directed as director or assistant director were missing, plus I wouldn't know where to find them."

Then I noticed that Babatunde Apalowo attended the University down the road from me, and looks familiar to me as I'm fairly sure I've seen him in some type of promo video for the city of Bradford, so I'll probably be adding any of his missing films in the future, if they haven't been deleted or made private, like most student films are by most students within 5 years or leaving university. Even if they have, there's usually 1 or 2 cast/crew members who still have them public, so they're forced to add any earlier release dates, once I've added them to IMDB. Danstarr69 (talk) 11:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Help with formatting Awards and Honours

I've been editing Ticket to Ride (board game), and I need advice on how to proceed with the "Awards and Honours" section within this article. I was thinking of making it into a table, but I'm afraid of the table taking up too much space. I could leave it as it is, but I feel that it looks too disorganized to do that. I've been using Wingspan (board game) as a reference, but this article has a lot less awards, so the length of the section wouldn't really be an issue. I've brought up the idea of making this section into a table in the Talk page, but I haven't received any responses. What should I do to improve this section? TwistedInThreads (talk) 01:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

I'd suggest asking in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Board and table games, from looking, they seem to be pretty active over there and seeing what they say. I'd love to be able to give you a better answer, but I agree with you that a table might take up too much space and it looks a bit disorganized how it is at the moment, although you could try making one to see how it would look. Shaws username . talk . 06:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll do that. Thank you! TwistedInThreads (talk) 13:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Nominations for deletion draft, bot

Hi everyone; I wanted to know the username of the bot that does nominations for deletion old draft. Does this bot delete drafts automatically? Pereoptic ^Talk✉️ 10:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

The bot doesn't delete them, but it does tag it for admin attention. (I don't know its name, though.) 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 13:35, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

The bot that notifies the user who created the draft about inactivity on draft is FireflyBot (not sure if only). For the one who nominates them, I may need to check. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 13:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

[1] Mabbett, Andy (March 8, 2024). The Book of Nick.

[2] Mabbett, Andy (2024-03-08). The Book of Nick (part 2).

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