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War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialogue, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

Martin, As you archive so regularly (unlike some editors ...) I thought that this would
a) Brighten up your page, and
b) Add a serious tone amidst all the hilarity.
All the best to you and yours –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 11:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. A lovely picture. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I have made a little seasonal update - hope you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Not at all. The snow has almost vanished.
A Christian feast commemorating the resurrection of Christ; the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or next after the vernal equinox, neither earlier than March 22 nor later than April 25.
I hate this BST ... why can't we stick with good old GMT? (... it follows the sun after all)
Cheers!
— Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

• A brand of choc ice manufactured by the British Wall's ice cream
• the act of eating

now, I ask you, what kind of alphabetical (or significance) order is that?!!

Yours, aye John Lemon

Have always loved that record. Good compilation of photographs ... who is the geezer in the middle — at 1 min 32 secs? –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

For some reason, he always reminded me of Nixon!

Oh! Of course. I knew that really –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Jukebox

... my own personal permanent fixture tribute...

You turn your back for a just a second and some strange Swedish person sneaks in and steals your records!!

Michael Thomas Pinder

RIP Mike Pinder. Now gone. The days before Ray Thomas looked like an Italian waiter on acid. Some very groovy dancing going on here. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

"The Best Way to Travel" - from Colour Me Pop (14 September 1968). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

... and RIP Duane Eddy: Peter Gunn (saxophone: Steve Douglas) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Wiki project

@Martinevans123:, Would you be interested in joining Draft:WikiProject food and drink industry in EnglandChefBear01 (talk) 19:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Is there any free wine involved? [1] Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

For a second I thought that said Cheese. --ARoseWolf 20:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

In fact yes, it's John Cheese. (... just put me down for a small Stinking Bishop, would you) Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Don't forget the crackers. --ARoseWolf 20:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Make mine non-vegan. --Hives, the butler (talk) 20:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Don't tell Tryp. Rainbow is my favorite. --ARoseWolf 20:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Do they even fit in the bag?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I promise not to tell. [2]. (But tell me if there is any free booze!) --Tryptofish (talk) 23:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Martinevans123:, there are currently 14 related articles with more potentially needed.ChefBear01 (talk) 22:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Martinevans123:, @ARoseWolf: @Tryptofish:, please add your name to the list in Draft:WikiProject food and drink industry in England if you are interested.~~ ChefBear01 (talk) 20:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, ChefBear01, for your very kind invitation. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

ChefBear01, thank you for the invitation. I'm afraid I would be of little use to a wikiproject about food and drink in England. About the only English food I know is fish and chips because we also have that in Alaska. Well, we have pubs here too. --ARoseWolf 19:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Not forgetting our great British baking... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC) And Chefbear, I do need to declare a national bias here.

Perhaps you are biased about rabbits, as well? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:16, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, boyo. And for Crimbo, we all love a horse's head on a pole. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Who you callin' boyo? And did you just call Jimbo a criminal? --Tryptofish (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I'd recommend "One Spliff a Day". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC) [3]

Yes, and cheers to food and drink! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Of course, nothing wrong with the small variety. Don't want to appear sizeist! [4] Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Fictitious Welsh pub in Northumberland

Hi Martin! I am not sure why, but I thought that this might amuse you. Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, St Jory. I know it well! Often have a few days away there, and often pop into the old "Barleycorn" for a few jars! Safe bruh! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I do hope that you have not been involved in any dodgy goings-on, assisting Scottish policemen into large wicker figures, and the like. One can take these local citizenship initiatives a little too far … DBaK (talk) 14:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

"This is a local pub, for local people!" Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC) (... local honey also available)

Nasty!!!! I'm off for a little nap now till I feel better. DBaK (talk) 21:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Let's face it, DBaK, you've got what it takes, baby! Mmmmmmmm, swingin'. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC) ... what a truly, truly wonderful record that is.

Great track! DBaK (talk) 22:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Recorded in the same session as that one, which is almost as good. **kiss-kiss** lol Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC) "Benton's beautifully poised melodic weaving is the perfect compliment to Washington's sassy and punchy delivery. The playful strings and toe-tapping rhythm section keep the whole thing moving in a gentle rock-a-bye groove!!"

Martin Brennan (character)

Gobshite's article is now live. Thanks for the copyedits yesterday. Ceoil (talk) 18:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Didn't realise there were so many! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

If you ask me there are too many. He is surely the primary topic - both a farmer "and" singer, with connections in Kildare.Ceoil (talk) 19:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

May music

story · music · places

On the bicentenary of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and in my concerts (leading to the two at the church's article). The closest was in the paper. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Today is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps watch a bit how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page today, together with an opera that reviewers deemed not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - listen and see. - Also on the Main page: a TFA by sadly missed Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

did you listen and see? - today's story has a pic of a woman holding her cat, a DYK of 5 years ago - the recent pics show 2 orange tip butterflies --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Amazing. That ceramic cat looks real to me! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

real: yesterday's story remembered an oratorio world premiere I was in, conducted by the composer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I heard lovely chamber music today, and the DYK mentions "profoundly human" singing (that you can watch), connected to a place where we'll sing in September --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I liked seeing Erschallet, ihr Lieder on the Main page today, 310 years after the first performance! We sang it in 2000. Today's program was easier but also spirited. I found a nice video of "I will sing with the spirit", with nature photography, - enjoy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. - There's a cute yt of a family concert in the singer's article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story about Willi Brokmeier still needs support for RD, - don't miss 1972 video ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I see he's now made it there. There's a video?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

in my story - almost always this year, btw --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

(now it is, sorry) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for intruting. I clicked on your page by accident and noticed we have the same birthday :). Don't know why I felt to share that, hah. I guess the coincidence struck me. 95.168.120.7 (talk) 22:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Shame you don't have a User page, or an account. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is my little contribution to Trinity Sunday, with a church named after the Trinity (which I'd have liked to see pictured, and what would be a good description of that kind of facade? "splendid" was reverted as not neutral) and a cantata Bach conducted 300 years ago for the occasion (having composed it 9 years earlier). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, it looks quite splendid to me. As a child I had always thought the words for "Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord God Almighty" were "God in three parsons"! It's not about this Holy Trinity, is it ... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Contrast: 29 May 1913: The Rite of Spring - today's story, actually something I saw at that place in a revival, literally "down to earth". - Do you remember the infobox discussion 100 years after the premiere, often mentioned in the arbcase? - Today a user who returned after several years said that nothing changed. Would you agree? I wouldn't ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

What a very bizarre suggestion at Joseph Haydn! It might have taken me seven or eight years to dream up that one... Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it's a great satire ;) - Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

last offer in May: photos of the river Rhine, and the adjacent Eltville rose garden, - high water and interesting weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Reply about blocking policy

Hi Martin, in reply to this comment: the blocking policy is that obviously helpful changes should stand, but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert. In cleaning up, I left improvements such as updates to which mayor had been elected, grammar, etc. This is a pretty clear-cut instance, in my view, where the presumption should be to revert the sock. Cambial — foliar❧ 11:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I see. Perhaps there was lots of ambiguity. I had no idea there were changes "to which mayor had been elected." But I'm not sure, anyway, how I would judge whether the sock's changes were "obviously helpful". Some seemed biased, but others were just factual, even if UNDUE. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

You were replying to DeFacto at that Talk page, or to both of us? I'd say your efforts to show very clearly at the talk page, what had been added by the sockpuppet, were laudable. But I can appreciate DeFacto's frustration when another editor arrives and dumps out what has taken some considerable effort to agree on, albeit unwittingly involving a sockpuppet. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

My reply at article talk was to DF; my reply to you is here because your comment referred to non-content policy. Cambial — foliar❧ 12:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. Content and non-content are kinda interlinked, aren't they. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

You have been gifted The Fundamental Wikipedian!

4theloveofallthings has gifted you The Fundamental Wikipedian! Copies of The Fundamental Wikipedian promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Gifting of TFW indicates the gifter would like to express apology regarding a recent dispute with you in which they were ultimately incorrect. Explanation: Burial date parameter What is WikiLove?

Want to extend the kind gesture of The Fundamental Wikipedian? Just add {{subst:Fundamental Wikipedian}} to a user's talk page!

Thank you so much, 4theloveofallthings. I may just bury this copy. But if I do, I won't tell which day I did it. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

LOL 4theloveofallthings (talk) 12:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

See WP:BLPN#Emma D'Arcy - is the edit summary a violation of BLP?

I think this may be a NOTHERE editor. Doug Weller talk 08:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that looks very likely, given the Nazi-like edit summaries and the "UNIVERSAL TRUTH" on their User page. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Celebrating 14 glorious years

Those tear-jerking highlights in full.....

• "Thanks for all voting "No" to BREXIT", 4 June 2016
• Fields of Wheat, 7 June 2019
• "Get Tories Done", 7 July 2022
• Salad Days, 20 October 2022
• "The Long Hot Summer....", 22 May 2024

Sh!tshow at Tesla page

A whole pattern [5] of bad behavior from numerous admins portrays a picture of how bad faith behavior from admins is covered up by other admins in the same manner the police is "protecting their own". Several admins are disrupting that page for years. The whole chronological order is nearly impossible to reconstruct because of their disruption. Impossible to imagine, but for years this is being discussed... [6] 95.168.118.16 (talk) 11:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

You seem keen to spread this particular sh!tshow far and wide. Good job that article's not on my watchlist anymore. Good luck with the coup, but count me out, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

That's funny 😁 . Nah, it's a mini coup, I just noticed it by accident. I don't actually have anything against them, they spent half their day on Wikipedia doing admin stuff, I come once or twice a year. They deserve to to have it a little their way now and then. Although, they do act like their above others, full of objectivity and integrity. I'm just letting them know that it's not unnoticed. I also left Tesla article a long time ago, but every so often I come to see what's happening. It's a total mess there. Those 3 have been arguing for years about one sentence in the article , and they actually agree about everything. Stupid beond comprehension.

Let me ask you something unrelated. On your page you wrote that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a crime against humanity and it should be prosecuted. Could you elaborate? Because, you know, war is not a crime in international law. I can tell you how the international law labeled the wars in former Yugoslavia. Basically, all warring is ok as long as no crimes are done, and that's it. So, who do you think should be prosecuted? 95.168.107.6 (talk) 21:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

In my mind the distinction between war and crime in a very blurred one, in any case. The idea that two teams of professional soldiers can simply line up against each other on the "battlefield" and fight it out, in a manly way, face to face, without any civilian collateral damage, is a very old-fashioned and outdated one. The medieval-minded Putin has shown that he has no regard whatsoever for the protection of civilian life. His soldiers have committed countless war crimes and atrocities. His invasion of Ukraine, and his continued bomb, missile and drone attack on the Ukrainian people and infrastructure, has no legitimate justification and is predicated on lies and nationalistic fantasy. Since March 2023 Putin has had an arrest warrant issued against him. The International Criminal Court says this: "Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, born on 7 October 1952, President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute)." This afternoon he performed an aerial bombardment of a supermarket in Kharkiv: [7]. You talk about a "shitshow"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm telling you, courts in former Yugoslavia and international courts deal with it constantly. About two armies fighting aways from civilians. This wasn't the case in modern warfare. US's policy is to do everything that's possible to minimize civilian cazualites, if I'm correct, not to avoid them. Unfortuately, it's not possible to wage a war without civilan cazualties. Now that Russia has taken over the territory, if Ukraine is to liberate with a military action, cazualities will happen. What would be your opinon in that case, because , I'll tell you right now. Someone in Russia will say that Ukraine is starting an unlawful war and pretty much the same as you are saying now. We don't even have to imagine. I think the same thing happened in Croatia. Serb forces took over territory and Croatia started a military action to liberate the land in 1995. Crimes had happened, a lot of civilians left their homes and today in Serbia they are calling that Military action a war crime...Will Ukraine's military action be a war crime if it happens. Because, be sure that civilians will get hurt if Russia will defend the cities. I completely agree about Putin, that Russia's to blame here...I'm just sorry the law won't see it that way, at least hasn't in former Yugoslavia. Don't expect anyone to be prosecuted because of waging war, and most cazualites are because of the war, not war crimes. Not only civilians, I'm counting soldiers , and not only the dead one's, but injured, or the ones that will end up with PTSP and their families. Unfortunately, for all that there is no law that will prosecute Putin and if his only "mistake" in the law sense is that deportation of children (and I really doubt that they would prosecute him over that, he would return the children and they would say, yeah, that's all we wanted with that charge and would just withdraw it). It doesn't feel right by me...Don't believe the courts and the law, nothing will get solved. To be frank, I'm not the one who thinks "people are good but politics makes bad decisions". I'm far more bothered when I see an old lady on TV supporting the war than Putin. I know, starting this topic, the "sh!tshow" seems so...I don't know the word, pointles. Cheers. 95.168.120.7 (talk) 22:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

12 dead in a crowded DIY hardware store in Kharkiv I'm pretty sure Zelenskyy isn't planning to invade Russia. He's just asking for more air defences. Putin belongs in prison. Thanks for sharing your views. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I saw. Terrible. What's worst is that people somehow get used to it...as it's just another day in Ukraine. You know, Putin if he had won (or if he wins), he would be hailed as a great leader and so on...I don't know if you are famliar with this channel [8], but It's sad what some people are saying. What's for them to gain from supporting this war? I'll never understand that. 95.168.116.15 (talk) 20:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, hang on, I know, best idea for UK.... let's Bring Back National Service!! That'll teach those teenage snowflake millennials! One weekend every month they can help spend those £350M a week Brexit savings... and help build those 40 new hospitals. And learn how to use a machine gun! Errr, but hang on, war... what is it good for? I just remembered. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Nah, its a mini coup. I think this is one of those. Basically, all warring is ok - Possibly the dumbest thing I have seen written on Wikipedia this year. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I know.... let's blame the victim. And then let's blame them some more, for something in the future, that they have no intention of doing. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:16, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

No one will be prosecuted for warring. No one was ,in all wars in former Yugoslavia. Croatia started prosecuting people for armed rebellion and had to proclaim abolition. Only war crimes are prosecuted. Same at ICTY. Don't think Putin will be prosecuted for warring. I think there's a widespread campaign of targeting civilians, and that maybe will get prosecuted, if the situation changes so he is extradicted to international courts, but seeing how many people in Russia are supporting the war, I'm sceptical. 95.168.116.15 (talk) 22:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

This user still believes the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted. If this hasn't ever happened before, it's time that international law was changed. But prosecution of Putin for war crimes would also be a welcome outcome, just like Radovan Karadžić and Slobodan Milošević. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

So that's your third IP geolocating to Croatia? I see that your first one got blocked for six months. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, they blocked that one from which I posted the report. My edit was disruptive, pinging so many people. I wouldn't do it, but they deleted the ANI report, as if nothing I wrote matters because I'm disruptive. I hope that they talked internally at least and had some introspection. They probably think I'm a sock of that guy that got blocked. They aren't even aware how many people got blocked there. When I was going through all old discussions to compose this list , I was amazed how many people got blocked since then. Even ones with long edit history.

As for Putin, he should be prosecuted for genocide. I'm not an expert here, but I think there's an intent to take over parts (now that they can't take all) of Ukraine and Russify it by changing identiy by force. Children are indoctrinated. People who oppose get killed or prosecuted. Other's are forced to take Russian citizenship, etc. Same as Milosevic and Karadzic, they were prosecuted for genocide. BDW, it's how Russia got so large...95.168.116.19 (talk) 09:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Civilians, including children, are being murdered by Putin, quite regardless of their views. Their views don't come into it. Putin couldn't care less about their views. The orphaned children have been shipped off back to the Motherland, however, to be brought up the correct Russian way. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Richard M. Sherman

RIP Richard Morton Sherman: King of the Swingers.... Martinevans123 (talk) 07:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Richard Thompson

Well done, Richard Thompson! Still thumping it out after 57 years... "Jealous words, Won’t lie still, In my heart". Martinevans123 (talk) 08:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC) [9]

It looks like you added a review to this album's article that is from a source that is not on this list: Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources. Could you please remove it and then propose it be added if you think it meets the requirements? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. Tradfolk looks like a reliable online source. And Gavin McNamara "is an English teacher that loves writing about music. Or a music writer that loves teaching English. Definitely one of those. Over the years he's written for lots of people, from the Big Issue (SW) to Metal Hammer and, before teaching, worked in independent music distribution for too many years." But not sure if he gets paid or not. So I've deleted it. Perhaps that source should be discussed. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

To be clear, he doesn't have to get paid for it to be a legit source. Please do propose it if you think it should be added and let me know if you do. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The guideline says "Specifically, reviews should be written by professional music journalists or DJs, or found within any online or print publication having a (paid or volunteer) editorial and writing staff (which excludes personal blogs)..." And I'm afraid I have no idea about those things, sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

It says here, that is has an editor called Jon Wilks who has also been running The Old Songs Podcast. So perhaps it's acceptable? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Could be. I definitely think you should post to WT:ALBUM. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done Martinevans123 (talk) 11:08, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

So it seems there are other rules.... that both the author and the editor must be seen to be "subject mater experts" who have also appeared in other reliable publications. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

A cautionary tale for all you CB-radio truckers.... well perhaps not all. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Only 55 years ago....! Richard still sounds as good. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

June music

story · music · places

Today's story is about the TFA, by sadly missed Vami_IV. In my support in 2018, I hoped to do justice to Schloss Köthen next - which I will begin today, finally, promised. Its Bachsaal was pictured to begin the year. For more related thoughts and music, look on my talk for 1 June. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Enjoy today's story, related to my topic of the year: 300 years Bach's chorale cantatas, and the first was written for today, - listen to the music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about an extraordinary biography, Peter Demetz. - I uploaded a few more pics but leave the link, because there's a new one of Graham and his mother who liked it. - I have an WP:ITNN item needing attention, Alexander Lang. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Attention was given, enjoy on the Main page, or today's story --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

or new pics of spectacular weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a tune used by Bach and Mozart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Today I wanted to write a happy song story, on a friend's birthday, but instead we have the word of thunder on top of it, which would have been better on 2 June, this year's first Sunday after Trinity (mentioned earlier in this thread). The new lilypond - thanks to DanCherek - is quite impressive. As my 2 Jun story said: Bach was fired up. - Today's Main page is rich in music, also Franz Liszt and a conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Today is "the day" for James Joyce, also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

"YES", but the new festival for Molly has been on since Thursday! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

p.s. great to see Tony Crows back in action!! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

foxglove in return - sad job today, and only started --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

... as if I didn't have her tenor colleague in the noms, without a comment so far --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. As said above, I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The image in my DYK story is what I happened to see from my seat in a performance before the festival (with Anna Netrebko in the title role but sold out of course, and the other was possibly the icier Principessa anyway). I recommend the trailer video, with various scenes to the end of the music that Puccini was able to finish before he died in 1924. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thankses

Thank you for the thankses! I've never been thanked before :) And thanks to you for all the great work you've been doing over at Michael Mosley (broadcaster). AlexGallon (talk) 21:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Cheers mate. All the best. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hoo noo?!!

Post-election Tory Party prediction: Toast!

Ready for that 4th July Election?? You bet!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

And that exciting Reform UK party political TV broadcast analysis in full:

• 2 of the 6 words were single syllable.
• Great use of full stops.
• I thought the telly was broken.
• It almost picked up in the last 3 seconds.

Martinevans123 (talk) 18:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC) (iPlayer's gonna be extra busy)

Rudeness

If I remove something from my talk page, it is extraordinarily discourteous to put it back. If you want to leave any more messages, they had better start with an apology. 57.133.22.170 (talk) 11:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Per WP:BRD, I have made two reverts within the last 24 hours. You have now made three removals. It seems that you have previously edited Neil Parish using a different IP address. Is that correct? You don't consider any of your edit summaries to be "rude"? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the edit history at Neil Parish, over the past 11 days, we seem to have a number of similar edits from three different anon IP addresses:

• This by 89.207.171.135, "geolocating" to Ile-de-France in France,
• This and subsequent, by 57.133.22.170, "geolocating" to Lombardia in Italy, and
• This, by 5.22.238.33, "geolocating" to Arendal in Norway, and now blocked for 6 months as {blocked proxy}.

What a strange set of coincidences? Or a European jet-setter perhaps? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Compare the Meerkat

It appears that you reverted my edits at Compare the Meerkat for citing the Daily Mail. Whilst I see why you did this, the Daily Mail is known to be highly unreliable, there is no ban as you stated to me. In fact there is the quote from the page to linked to that does that 'use as a reference is generally prohibited' but also states ' The restriction is often incorrectly interpreted as a "ban" on the Daily Mail. '

Apologies if my edit summary was misleading. I'm very glad that you have taken the trouble to read that guidance. I think we both agree that the material that was sourced to the DM was not appropriate. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

My main problem is how you dealt with this. It would've been fine if you replaced the source of information and just removed the citation itself. But you chose to revert all changes. I didn't just add that citation. I removed a lot of the useless and non-Wikipedian information that some editors added and restructured parts of that wiki page to make it make more sense and citied other sources and have just had to do that all again. That's all I wanted to say. 62.255.165.34 (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I see that you have now restored all of your other edits, and left out the DM material, in a single new edit. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

It has been done: The Mirror also covered the info I needed a source for. I checked and they are not in the deprecated section, so I think they are better to use. 62.255.165.34 (talk) 10:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

July music

story · music · places

The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. - A meeting of two women - the occasion of the cantata - is pictured in our local church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for this links, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021. It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. Proud to have had 2 women in green in June, and the third nom is in progress. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, Tamara Milashkina became GA and Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in Il tabarro in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to Liberty) up to Calaf in Turandot in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton and who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

On a friend's birthday - she is pictured on my talk - I have another RD death article that needs reviewing, Martti Wallén. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, the bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Found a bit more. Today's story is about her, which is a sad story in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I remember today Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for RD, Marina Kondratyeva. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

She's on the Main page now. My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

She's my story today. What would you suggest for a DYK? Don't miss video ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Yesterday I listened in concert to Mozart's Clarinet Quintet, with Sabine Meyer: a delight. - Today's story is about Ruth Hesse, with a pic in the article only, sadly (show your mom, - a profile with closed eyes). I found it difficult to point at a YouTube sample, because yes, her signature roles - the Nurse and Brangäne - exist in great full-length operas with great casts, but hard to find her. - Talking of YouTube: today I was pointed at Elijah by a friend who performed in the concert of the Dessoff Choirs in their centenary year, and I'm quite impressed by samples (beginning and No. 32 where I linked it) - enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11 If that's not enough my talk offers chamber music from two amazing concerts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Just a look at music (on my talk) shows remembrance of three people who died, and creating an article or improving one is all I can do. Three are on the Main page today, and three others planned ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Similarly: Wikipedia:Main Page history/2024 July 30b will have a baritone, a violinist, a composer and a Bach cantata, - almost too much, and the composer's article, Wolfgang Rihm, should be better, help wanted. - Plenty of music on my parents anniversary day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Gerda, you may not have noticed, but Martin has not really contributed to Wikipedia since 18 June; about six weeks absence. The only reason I know this is because I have him on my 'watchlist', as we have colloborated on a couple of Wiki articles in relatively recent times. However, I do not have any idea as to why he has been absent for so long. Martin is normally such a regular contributor. I hope there is a simply explanation but... Just so you are aware. Regards. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Martin sent me a thank you note 7 July, and it's vacation time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt Derek. Just taking a break. 😄 Martinevans123 (talk) 08:29, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for all the links Gerda. Especially to Les contes d'Hoffmann, which led me, via YT, to Anna Netrebko & Elīna Garanča. Hope all is well with you. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, thank goodness for that: I had started to worry. On holiday? Anywhere nice? Let us know pre-absence next time, hey, so we can vicariously imagine cool travel destinations, rather than scenarios involving proverbial ditches, etc.? [END: Intrusive demand-mode by inveterate lurker.] Hope all's well; glad to see you around. AukusRuckus (talk) 14:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Aukus. Yes, I hear East Sussex is lovely at this time of year. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

August music

story · music · places

Yes now that we have a sign of life from you! To answer the question when I'm not around, always just look at the top of my talk, for story and music. Today's story is about the unusual cantata that Bach composed 300 years ago for today's 10th Sunday after Trinity. I am sure that you'll enjoy listening not only to the "surprise" which was a 2011 DYK, but the whole thing, especially No. 6. Under music, you'll see the latest concert (op. 111!), memory of the death of Wolfgang Rihm (leading to expansion of his biography in wonderful collaboration, and to two new articles so far), and the latest service which nicely connects to our latest concert of three Bach cantatas. Enjoy your break! I have a FAC open if you want work, and will nominate the cantata for GA today, promised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks, Gerda! Rudbeckias looking very nice there. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Martin missed all of the excitement with Huw Edwards. Nice time to take a holiday, though.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, watch and listen, - I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work - rare! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

... and a third, like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. And a rainbow in my places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about education, 10 years OTD after lecturing our founder). Music for today's feast is Monteverdi's, the best concert we ever did (so pictured again on my talk), but it wasn't recorded, substituted with a "Pacific" one that comes with subtitles line by line in Latin and English: I learned something! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for the update, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! - Sunday story about another of Bach's chorale cantatas, listen (alto aria #3!), as I listened to two impressive very different choral concerts, - music by 16 composers. In the latest cloudy pictures: a hidden deer, a cat and a blaze of a sunset. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Help? My story today is about a woman, nominated for RD but needing support as I write this. A composer died whose article is long and mostly unreferenced. And some articles open for review, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. I have made a few minor copyedits at Maryvonne Le Dizès and added from sourced recordings. I'm sure many more could be found. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - with your help she "made it" just before I went to bed. Goehr work is detailed on the talk. - Interesting animal pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

No worries. My contributions were quite modest. Glad she got there. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Today it's Siegfried Lorenz (baritone), on his birthday, nominated for RD. The concerns regarding Goehr are detailed on the talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Today is the birthday of Alma Mahler. I believe that Siegfried Lorenz should be mentioned on the Main page among the Recent deaths. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda. I've always been more Konrad. We obviously all need to wade in at Fatman Scoop. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

probably ;) - he appeared! Next needing support: Alexander Goehr --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Gwen?

I didn't understand what the question was. Deb (talk) 14:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Deb. I think Aukus was asking about Welsh morphology. Perhaps a question for the Talk page there. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. There is some overlap between the articles, and some unnecessary duplication. Deb (talk) 20:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for attempting to understand my ramblings, despite my incoherence, Martin. (You did a pretty good job.) And I'm sorry, I shouldn't have tried to start a discussion that way. Not really the best approach to take (blame my exasperation - which is not anyone else's problem). I appreciate you trying to recruit an expert to help. I will now take it to the more sensible venue, where Deb might weigh in if she would like to. Apologies all round! AukusRuckus (talk) 10:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Literary Welsh morphology#Links to Welsh morphology, if interested. (I chose that page as the most recently active). Thanks. AukusRuckus (talk) 10:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Note: I speak Welsh almost as fluently as the Donald speaks Swahili. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

third-highest office of the Church of England

I suspect that the origin of that description [10] of the archbishop of York is due to the monarch being Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Though I think your phrasing is fine. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 17:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your note Jonathan. I think you are probably right. We'd have to demote Justin too, wouldn't we? And, of course, Charles is not even a real vicar, is he. Although both primates, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Sweetest Girl.ogg

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Not an image, but a music sample. Now replaced with a link to full version. Never mind. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree. 31.45.225.166 (talk) 18:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps you're a B-bot sockpuppet? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

"Walk On By"

Doesn't get a mention, as it was really just an album track, but Aretha's 1964 version, from Runnin' Out of Fools, must be one of the best (arranged and conducted by Belford Hendricks). It was released as a Columbia Stereo Seven special 7" but never charted. Speaking of other versions, there have been a quite few. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Bayesian ballast talk page

Hi Martin, I thought I should respond to you: the Bayesian sinking is an interesting topic and the point you raise about fuel and water levels is a relevant one which I have not seen covered elsewhere. If the sinking was due to the boat heeling, rather than hitting rocks, factors include the degree of heel, the duration of heel, the downflooding angle and the angle of vanishing stability. Contributory factors to these in turn include mast height and weight (some masts are carbon fibre rather than aluminium), engine weight, fixed ballast weight, retractable keel weight and position, water and fuel levels and the position and status of apertures e.g. ducts and hatches/ doors and whether they are open or closed. I have seen discussion that Bayesian was more vulnerable to downflooding and less able to right itself than racing yachts, for example. I do not know whether you could model the impact on the angles of varying fuel and water levels.

I am not answering you on the talk page for two reasons: the talk page is supposed to be only for discussion of article changes, not the subject - see notice at the top of the page - and we are not allowed to add original research to the article WP:NOR i.e. we can only add something for which there is an reliable, published source. So, if you wish to add fuel/ water levels to the article as a possible contributory cause of the sinking, you have to find a source for this. Whatever editors believe about it personally is beside the point. I hope this makes sense. Jontel (talk) 12:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jontel. Many thanks for your very informative note. Yes, I'm aware I might be straying into OR territory over there. I can assure you that personally I could certainly not ".. model the impact on the angles of varying fuel and water levels"! I'm more used to editing aircraft accidents, so I am a bit unsteady on all this... Thanks for all your improvements to the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

September music

story · music · places

And he appeared! What do you think of my short version of the life of Alexander Goehr? Our DYK team would probably want to mention that he worked in a training kibbutz, while I was happy to include a link to an article by Brian Boulton, - we sang the Monteverdi Vespers on 1 September 2019. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Today's story has 3 composers, I couldn't decide for the one on the Main page or the one who didn't make it on his bicentenary, so took both, and the pic has a third. Listen if you have a bit of time. The music, played by the Kyiv Symphony Orchestra in Germany in April 2022, impressed me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Some tunes by the wonderful Herb Alpert on the BBC Proms tonight: enjoy this timeless classic from 1965 (marimba - Julius Wechter). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, lovely! - Happy because my story today is about a Czech mezzo soprano who is mentioned on the Main page on her birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Happier about Bach's cantata on the Main page on its 300th birthday (per calendar), my story! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda. A truly wonderful piece. Here's the Netherlands Bach Society from 2019, with Jos van Veldhoven conductor, Maria Keohane soprano, Tim Mead alto, Daniel Johannsen tenor and Matthew Brook bass. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC) (And great to see Jos sporting his full De Bruyne mullet)

Thank you, and where do you land when clicking on "watch" in my story? - Please add the recording to the article! (or is that canvassing?) Did you see that I opened a talk page thread for calls for collaboration? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Gerda, as you know, I'm far too busy to go clicking on any of your random Easter egg YouTube links! (It would only be canvassing if you asked me to support the addition of a YouTube link to an article you've probably spent a great deal of time and effort creating or improving). So I probably will, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

no idea what you mean by random: the "watch" is a video, and the "listen" an audio of what is described in the story ;) - the videos of the Dutch are usualyy added by User:Buxtehude, but the Swiss (Lutz) are usually also interesting, and have a good license. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Gerda, please don't mislay your sense of humour if you post at my Talk page! I'm the one with the YouTube fixation! 😄 And sincere thanks for all your wonderfully bright musical contributions! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

thank you, I think I missed it this time ;) - An accepted reference for recordings is Muziekweb, - see any recent Bach cantata, while Bach Cantatas and Discogs are not accepted, although Bach Cantatas is for sure the most detailed source about recordings around Bach. - Don't canvass about Herbie! Don't canvass about Herbie!! Don't canvass about Herbie!!! Not even tomorrow! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Three stories related to today in memory, 11 September, 20 July and 20 June, the latter piece of art also pictured on the Main page. - I began Schorlemmer today, more tomorrow. Will not nominate as long as Rebecca Horn is "on". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Nominated anyway, thanking that it usually takes some time to get - attention. I told an admired admin about the situation. El C used to post to ITNN but is rarely active. Of the five regulars, one only edits on weekends, one last on 7 Sep, and the other three only much earlier today. They usually come around towards midnight. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Towards midnight? Ah yes, I should have guessed. Did you know... ... that British bassist Herbie Flowers provided the voice for Darth Vader in the Star Wars films? But he didn't. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

what I needed! - Don't talk about DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

And thank you for your unfailing non-requested support!! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

just don't think I support you ;) - I support a bassist and his music! Perhaps leave a note on the news talk (you need to say that it is about a nom because it's all on one page) that this was ready, and if they don't get their act together they should post him tomorrow. Or can you argue that his death was known only 6 Sep (per dates of death notices)? Then move him to that date. I need sleep now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Congrats! 3 hours into the new day and he appeared! - Today is Schoenberg's 150th birthday! On display, portrayed by Egon Schiele, with music from Moses und Aron, and with two DYK hooks, one from 2010 and another from 2014; the latter, about his 40th birthday, appeared on his 140th birthday, which made me happy then and now again. - See places for a stunning sunrise, on the day Bruckner's 200th birthday was celebrated (just a few days late). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Today a story about one of the people behind the peaceful revolution. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

My story today is about a man who played jazz when it was banned by the Nazis, - you can listen to how they played it later, in the pictured place. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda. Carl Jung?? (No, that was the Swiss one, wasn't it.) Here's Emile from 1985. Superb. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC) (Jo Flinner - electric piano)

Thanks for the tune! Did you read that E. played accordion back then? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did. What an amazing transition. That track recorded as "Großer Sendesaal, NDR Hannover"? Great atmosphere. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC) (I had only heard of his famous brother until a few years ago)

Did you know that I lived 4 walking minutes from the Sendesaal as a student? Heard Gary Burton? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

A cool, laid-back walk, I hope. Amazing. Yes, I have a prized vinyl copy of Good Vibes, haha! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

You are spreading good vibes, DYK? - story: one of the great singers, places: recent concert from the back of the choir ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Ach, lieben Christen, seid getrost, BWV 114, is one of the pieces in my topic of this year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

My story today features a pic I took from my position in the choir, I can also offer varied delightful music, some from Venice, also with pics I took, - note the rose in the clarinet ;) - Do you think we can fill the few missing refs for Benny Golson? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, Gerda. I hadn't heard. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

There is no requirement for a source to say an album has now been released

This is a heavy-handed revert. There has historically been no requirement to have a source saying "an album has now been released" when it's an uncontroversial detail to change tense. Readers like yourself can navigate to any music store set to where it's midnight in the world on that date to see it's been released. The source states "will be released on 6 September" and it's now 6 September, so wording has been changed to reflect that. Ss112 13:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

There's a simple problem with logic here. A source dated 24 April 2024 can't support a claim for an event on 5 or 6 September 2024. Mr Gilmore may have had every intention of issuing his new album Luck and Strange today. But planned events don't always occur. Even the article for the album itself has no sources which claim that it has been released. And if the intention was for 6 September, that's tomorrow. Wikipedia requires sources to show that events actually happened. If the album has been released, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find a source that states that. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

If there were some delay, a source would have been published prior to 6 September and an editor would likely have changed the date already. Sources are usually published for well-known music artists delaying their albums. The album had been out in only several countries for two hours when I updated the article. NZ or Australian news sources do not post articles stating that artists have released their album in those territories—this is not a thing that regularly happens. I update text relating to album releases every single week, have done so for years, and nobody has said "we need a new source to state the album is now out otherwise you cannot or should not change the text to say so", even on highly watched pages with experienced editors that regularly edit them. Therefore I have to conclude it is not a held belief that we need a new source to change text to say an album's release has occurred when we already have a source stating a date, no information about a delay is available because there isn't one, and that date has now passed. I even sought the opinion of @Sergecross73: on this matter, who said: "It's not like we require perpetual assurance from an artist or other sources that a release is still on track from its announcement." I couldn't have put it better. The source on the article stated a date, the date passed, the text can be updated. Pretty straightforward. Ss112 16:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia relies on WP:RS sources. Pretty straightforward. Popcornfud has now added my suggested sources at David Gilmour and at Luck and Strange. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

We had a source. I updated some text to say an event had occurred per the source. Thanks. Ss112 17:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I suggest that any further discussion should take place at Talk:David Gilmour. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

You never know...

...where doing a Welsh Grade I building Start article may take you. I had no idea that George Melly lived at Scethrog Tower, or that Bruce Chatwin wrote much of On The Black Hill there. KJP1 (talk) 15:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I actually saw George perform at Brecon once. Later that same night I managed to put my car through a hedge, which took the edge off the evening somewhat. Great entertainer. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I imagine the hedge didn't enjoy it either. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Sadly not. But I saw it as a very canny investment!! ... enjoy! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Sérgio Mendes

RIP Sérgio Santos Mendes (February 11, 1941 – September 5, 2024): Mas Que Nada (with added peas)!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

And the 1966 original "Mais Que Nada" (Lani Hall lead vocal). Cheers! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Herbie Flowers

RIP Brian Keith "Herbie" Flowers (19 May 1938 – 5 September 2024): And the colored girls go... Martinevans123 (talk) 08:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

... and not forgetting "Rock On" (1973) Martinevans123 (talk) 15:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

... or even "Melting Pot" (1969) ... which was personally very significant (and still is!) Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Huw Edwards

The reason why he was not sacked (according to employment law experts) is that the BBC did not want to set off an unfair dismissal lawsuit that led to a payoff for Edwards. When he did resign, the BBC was keen to stress that he had not received a payoff. However, by then he had received a lot of money and a £40,000 pay rise, much to the annoyance of BBC staff and licence payers. Good news video here. ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, that sort of good news... I was so mad I nearly ripped up my virtual online TV licence!! [11] But thanks, anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

£32 for a TV licence? It's a disgrace! .... It's far too low! With the service the BBC provides, it should be at least £400! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, I love these old 1960s repeats on BBC 4, don't you? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Legal experts have said that it would be difficult to recover money paid to Edwards after his arrest due to the innocent until proved guilty rule. This is why Tim Davie has said that the BBC might consider suspending staff without pay in the future. And even worse, I have had to burn my Blu-ray disc of Skyfall because it has Huw Edwards in it.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I suspect there are more editions of 10 O'Clock News with Huw than editions of Top of the Pops with Sir Jimmy, Perhaps they could pixelate him out? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, didn't he leap out of a helicopter with the Queen, armed with a plate of marmalade sandwiches?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Also good for a laugh: Giovanni Di Stefano (aka "one of life's great swindlers") makes legal threats against Wikipedia and Jimbo here. Love the dark glasses, Giovanni.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Mmmmm, Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milošević star clients. Nice. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

And Jonathan King.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Shame he never got a chance to sign up Sir Jimmy.....(as far as we know, of course) Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

September 2024

Your recent editing history at Bertrand_Russell shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. AradhanaChatterjee (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Don't you think it might be more constructive to engage in the thread I created at the talk page, instead of slapping on this pointless warning template? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

... oh, and I reverted just two of your edits, on different things, once each. And now I am in an "edit war"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

John

Hi Martin, John Keats already has a footnote section. Could fix the addition?

I hope you are doing well. Anna (talk) 20:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, thank you so much, Anna. Fixed now, I hope. Why do I continue to fanny around over there!? Apols. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Fannying around is always welcome. Anna (talk) 18:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

File:Cyrenecoin.jpg

Matinees are cheaper! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh so much fannying about Anna (talk) 19:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Take a load off. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

"Hey Bulldog"! (1971) (previously done by some obscure Liverpool boyband) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Another John

Nice one, Jon! [12].. the sort of story that should be in the news. "Heart to Hang Onto" from Rough Mix (1977). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

A simply brilliant album. "Street in the City". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Herbie Flowers

On 13 September 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Herbie Flowers, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 04:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Spencer. I'm glad it eventually got posted. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Herbie Flowers

Not to boast ... well actually I have very very little about which to boast so whatthehell whatthehell ... but I worked with Herbie on London Youth Opera for the odd week (or two ... mists of memory etc). Due to their weird sprawling network of connections the pro band could contain ludicrously bigtime people as well as smalltime no hopers like me. He was an absolute delight. No bigtime, no side, ridiculously modest about his awesome accomplishments. He was doubling on tuba besides bass and was less comfortable on it, he said, though I thought he was just great. It's a treasured memory that I met and worked with him. DBaK (talk) 09:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Wow, amazing. Thanks for sharing that. Tuba and bass an unusual combination! His article probably ought to mention the number of records that have sampled that Wild Side bass line. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Malcolm John Rebennack, Jr.

An example of why he was one of the finest ever boogie-woogie players: "Mac's Boogie" from Dr John Plays Mac Rebennack, 1981, Clean Cuts – CC 705. Just wonderful. Whole album. Just sayin' Martinevans123 (talk) 20:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC) p.s. yes, that's just one piano; yes, that's just two hands...

Benny Golson

RIP Benny Golson (1929–2024): "Stablemates", from Benny Golson and the Philadelphians (1958). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

What a great album. Lee Morgan really shines (his one of the most premature and tragic deaths in jazz music). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Golson's article shines better than yesterday, but there's more sparkle in the sources (WP and BR especially). Your turn, I may look again tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Don't look! I might even add something, quietly... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I might add - from BR - that he said that "Whisper not" means ... nothing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

feel --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd probably choose this one, although adding audio links to musician articles is sometimes frowned upon. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I like to see him playing ;) - I didn't mean for the article, but with a decent license - why not? - I think that he was the second-to-last person of that famous pic should even go to the lead, and some summary of musical style. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, videos are often better. I would agree with both suggestions. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Listening to it right now 👍 Mach61 17:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Benny Golson

On 27 September 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Benny Golson, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

preview --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Repair Shop

Hi Martinevans123. Thanks for your attention to the Repair Shop article. The IP editor (I assume it’s all the same one) seems immune to talkpage messages and the edit summaries we’ve used when reverting the edits. I’ve requested pending changes protection. —-Northernhenge (talk) 21:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

User(s) blocked. 2A02:C7C:B46D:8F00:0:0:0:0/64 x 1 week. --Northernhenge (talk) 06:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for telling me. Blades has been charged and bailed to appear at Worcester Crown Court on October 11. So we really shouldn't mention it until then. But the press has explained that he is "taking time out" from the show e.g. The Independent (although sourced from the Sun). It also seems that his uncle was killed in March. In an interview with The Independent, Blades said The Repair Shop "saved his life after he secured the presenting gig after an acute mental health crisis and an attempted suicide." Martinevans123 (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, it takes much longer to get up North, the slow way....

Released exactly 47 years ago today. Well, knock me darn wiv a fevver! Exquisitely crafted and economical Chaz Jankel guitar solo, jumping across the stereo channels. Widebrows wonder whether... A great premier... sheer magic. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 30 September 2024 UTC (Wake Up! .. with Wilco)

Stop it! You're making me feel old... It still sounds as fresh as the day it was made. John (talk) 18:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

My exact thoughts entirely. 47 years?? seems only like last week... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I loved that thing so much. Still do. DBaK (talk) 22:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Hampton Wick, Berkshire Hunt; Fraser and Nash, Pony and trap!! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. Sloooow music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

today Rohan de Saram - unbelievable story --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks, Gerda. Great article. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Today is the birthday of Tabea Zimmermann, and you can listen to the exact concert I mentioned last year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for improving Leif Segerstam. I'll join, but had one yesterday, one today, and there's one for tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Today I remember an organist who was pictured on the Main page on his birthday ten years ago, and I found two recent organ concerts to match, - see top of my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. Where would ITN/RD without you! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

It would work somehow, but my kind of people wouldn't get attention: in 4 consecutive days a bishop, a conductor, a social scientist and then Segerstam. That Kris singer got a million views when he died, without RD, and de Saram no more than a few thousand. Today's organist is alive and happy, - good interview but in German, with bits of music. Never heard him live ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Very glad to hear that Martin is still tickling the church ivories! Gerda, you really do know all the stars! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Today brought a timely promotion of Helmut Bauer to the Main page on the day when pieces from Mozart's Requiem were performed for him. - Next one nominated. Will probably skip the third. Haven't looked at Segerstam yet, - there's still tomorrow's cantata to adorn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Leif Segerstam is looking in pretty good shape. But I think I've lost some confidence in the ITN/RD process... Martinevans123 (talk) 12:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I looked into Segerstam now. It has a strange structure of an article, - I moved the details and refs from the lead to below where they were missing, merged the two corners for recordings and am inclined to do the same for "Compositions" and "Works". I added a few refs I can see and trust. My problem is that all the archived refs come back to me with a timeout message, ontop of being in Finnish or Swedish. Would you agree that the first "External link" looks good enough for a ref? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I tried the first ref, next to his name, and neither the live version nor the archived version work at all for me. I guessed it was translation issue. Yes, that BLF source looks good enough to me, especially as it has it's own set of sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Internet Archive's "The Wayback Machine" has been hacked and is down now. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/internet-archive-hacked-data-breach-impacts-31-million-users/ Grimes2 (talk) 17:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Grimes2. Thank you very much for telling me. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

That explains it, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

nominated --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

That's very gracious of you, Gerda. Another one of the Seven Deadly Finns, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I made Leif Segerstam my big story today, and he has enough support to make an exception tomorrow. Let's not get nervous ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Stranger things have happened! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

... with Sammy Price on piano. Just utterly wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

My story today is a cantata 300 years old, based on a hymn 200 years old when the cantata was composed, based on a psalm some thousand years old, - so said the 2015 DYK hook. I had forgotten the discussion on the talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. Very interesting. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date (but Bach wrote it for the 20th Sunday, not the Tuesday after the 21st Sunday after Trinity). I sort of like it because it's the anniversary date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. I decided to make one of the songs he liked (and sang with a voice below bass) today's article, - can translate from German. You heard it here first before it's even on my user page ;) - I like what did for "Jinty", a lot! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

That's a first, I think... Gerda's grandfather's dahlias on the Main page! Good for you. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, Chris said it's a fine pic, but is not formally qualified, and I didn't apply for FP after the lead image here was rejected (because of the photographer, not the quality). - My grandfather planted dahlias like that, and many other varieties, marking them by little metal plaques when inside for the winter, to remember height and colour. I loved that dedication. These particular ones were seen on last year's choir outing, in Aachen. - No, I meant the cantata, and was of course mistaken, because the last one was BWV 38 (for the 21st Sunday), with these strange discussions on the talk. (I really had forgotten that the rejected table was on the talk, and created it again, and it was rejected again ...) - BWV 180, first on 22 October 1724, then the 20th Sunday, was based on a somewhat younger hymn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

"Let's Make America Gourd Again!"

Haha, yes I knew it was the cantata really! Glad it got there. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

song created - In today's story, I decided against the one I liked best, in favour of one with the choir mentioned, but the other is in music ;) - in case you can't find it: Lamento. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I hope you kept reading to the rich day. Today a caricature, for a change. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Happy whatever you celebrate today, - greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Happy Halloween! Give my regards to Señor KJP! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Dee Palmer

It is worth noting that the hopelessly unreliable source of Discogs has David Gerald Palmer as the name at birth. I suspect that this one may run and run until her definitive obituary is published. Still alive, of course at present, but she is 87. This is when D.I. Hamilton would put his deerstalker on, but I must report he is, sadly, largely AWOL these days. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

We know we can't use FreeBMD as a source, but it has this record for a David V. Palmer registered in the second quarter 1937, mmn Breens, but in Romford not Hendon. There are no David Palmer births registered in Hendon in 1937 or 1938. How very frustrating. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:46, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

And, while you're here... any idea which year Bernard Purdie was born?? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Not definitely, But... AllMusic reckons 1939, whilst The Guinness Who's Who of Jazz does not list him at all. I have more Larkin publications, but they are presently under a pile of stuff destined for the local charity shop(s). You know how it is. Again our old mate Guy would probably turn something up, but he seems to be otherwise detained these days. I assume that book you added (currently a bare URL, you naughty boy) states 1939 ? On that evidence I vote we stick by our guns until someone comes up with a reliable source or two, stating something else. It might be one of those cases where the article ultimately has to state his DOB is disputed - but I don't think we are there yet. Any help ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

How very dare you. There's nothing bare about Clifford and Frame (1986), any more, thankyou! Why would Purdie himself have 1942 and other reliable sources not?! Good luck charity shops! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

The time lag thing did for me ! Anyhow, Purdie reckoned he drummed on umpteen Beatles numbers, but can not provide any proof, so I would not go a bundle on him getting his DOB right. Do you think I should give the charity shop advance warning ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, "let's do the time lag again"!! (in fact, that might be a useful link to warn your local charity shop...) Martinevans123 (talk) 18:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Hard to believe that Wikipedia has been going... ooo, what is it... 40, 45 years?? already. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, and even harder to believe it has not got anything right yet !? Still, there's always The Sun. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Glad I've finally found our Page 3... Martinevans123 (talk) 08:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

an ignorant question- apologies

Hi , thanks for your recent reversal of my edit on JPR Williams, which I don't argue with at all.

I wondered how your attention had been drawn to it - are you allocated an area of coverage within some 'wiki article checking' structure?

apologies for ignorance but I couldn't see an explanation for how it works anywhere. Thanks Asto77 (talk) 16:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Asto77. I'm glad you were happy with that revert. I simply saw it on my watchlist. I assume you have one? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

tks Asto77 (talk) 06:09, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

October 2024

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Singleton4321. Thank you. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for raising this. I'm not sure I can add any more that's not already very clearly visible at Talk:Oliver James (psychologist) and User talk:Singleton4321. Other affected editors may wish to comment. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:14, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I must admit I had not considered the possibility that the IP editor and/or the registered user is/are, in fact, a mischeivous third party who is intent on portraying Mr James in as poor a light as possible. I'm not sure there are Wikipedia procedures that allow for the confirmation or refutation of such a possibility. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Leif Segerstam

On 16 October 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Leif Segerstam, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 16:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Spencer. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

a request

Hello Martin, this is Lizzie Nelson, Jinty Nelson’s daughter. My parents divorced in 2010 (their marriage was not dissolved) and I added myself and my brother Billy as her children. Please reinstate these changes. 5.80.223.165 (talk) 20:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Lizzie. Yes, I guessed that it might have been you or your brother. Please accept my sincere condolences. I'll see if we can agree to change that, even though the source says something slightly different. I'm sorry that Wikipedia articles can only include family members who are notable (i.e. also have a Wikipedia article) in the infobox. Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Martin. I think you can add Lizzie and Billy as her children without us having Wikipedia pages ourselves. If you can do so, I’d appreciate it. Many thanks. 5.80.223.165 (talk) 22:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

but if that’s not how it works it’s no problem. Thanks again. 5.80.223.165 (talk) 22:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The infobox at least now recognizes you two's existence and the body is logically following about your parents' divorce. I think Martin is right that we'd need a "reliable source" for your first or middle names. If it's any consolation, divorce is the main form of marriage dissolution to many readers outside of Britain, so it's not like this lot ever presumed anything but divorce in 2010. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, having "2" for children, in the infobox, is fine. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

OK, I've added your names, because I like them and I trust you. This may not be entirely by-the-book, but that's me, InedibleHulk. I can't promise they'll stick, and hope I don't hear from her real children later, but this seems reasonable enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm very surprised. I'd not have expected Who's Who to name them, unless they were also notable in some way. And I think it's very unlikely we'll find any other source that names them, unless they personally know of one and could provide it. As the article is now nominated at ITN/RD, it should hopefully get more eyes on. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:34, 17 October 2024 (UTC) p.s. but see now Talk:Janet Nelson#Family.

Hello Martin, this is Lizzie again, just to thank you for the edits you have made, they are very much appreciated. 5.80.223.165 (talk) 16:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

No worries, Lizzie. Your mother was held in very high esteem in the medieval history academic community in the UK. Hopefully a link to her article will soon appear on the Main page. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 18

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Fake or Fortune?, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page John Reid.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 19:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I was looking for Sir John Reid, this guy, "... born in Manchester on 28 October 1861: son of James Reid. Died 25 January 1933. Educated Glasgow Academy, Herbertshire Castle School and Glasgow Mechanics Institute. Apprenticed Neilson Reid. Taken into partnership in 1893. Knighted 1918.": ([13]) But there is no article for him yet. Seems he was an avid art collector, especially of Jean-Baptiste-Camille Corot. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Janet Nelson

On 19 October 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Janet Nelson, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 10:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. So will dedicate this to Dame Jinty for her 2019 King and Emperor: A New Life of Charlemagne! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC) ("Larry Carlton's multi-sectioned, cosmic-jazz lead in this cut may be the best of all: It's so complex it's a song in its own right.")

Thank You!!

You are very much appreciated. I wish the majority of WP editors were as civil. Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 14:51, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

		The Civility Barnstar
		message Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 14:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Bill, that's very kind of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

My pleasure. You've earned acknowledgement. Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 18:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

"Time to Say Goodbye"

If only it was that time...

• "The crowd, who bizarrely remained in attendance, were treated to Luciano Pavarotti's rendition of “Ave Marie,” Sinead O’Connor’s “Nothing Compares 2 U” , Guns N' Roses “November Rain” and James Brown’s “It's A Man’s World” to name just a few."
• "Another person compared the moves to a "drunk great aunt at the end of the wedding whilst other guests place bets on how long she’ll stay upright for"." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

John Thomas Straffen

Hi, Martin. Hope all's well. Sorry to ask out of the blue, but can you help me with something? I wonder if you can help me in finding the names of the parents of John Thomas Straffen (b. 27 Feb. 1930)? His father - acc. to some sources - was John Thomas Sr., but it is the name and maiden name of the mother which, in particular, I need to locate for (Surprise Surprise our Cilla) the Wiki. true crime article. Kieronoldham (talk) 02:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kieron. Great to hear from you. I'll see what I can find. For a start, this FreeBMD record says his mother's name was Morgan. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I see that this source says "John Thomas Straffen Sr", but I have no idea how reliable a source that book might be. The author, R. Michael Gordon, has no wiki article, but the book looks OK. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Martinevans123. Invaluable info. Key.--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't currently have access to any genealogy site, where his father and mother's full names might be available. His father's details are probably available somewhere on the numerous military research sites, or may be requested from the military records via gov.uk. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC) p.s. you might also find this article useful.

Don't worry I am going to use the info. you provided - I'll find her first name. :) I found a licensed image of Straffen's mother giving her first name online a short while ago. Will soon relocate it. Thanks again for your help.--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Glad you have taken a bit of spare time viewing all contributions from a certain user account even if articles may not be of interest to you. Your part in anti-vandalism helps keeps Wikipedia in a good state of viewing for everyone. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Iggy. You know how it is... One gets all pumped up. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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BGerdemann (WMF) (talk) 19:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

YES: please enter my name into the free prize draw to win an all-expenses-paid, eat-and-drink-all-inclusive, fill-your-boots, two-week vacation at the Jimbo Wales Ranch in Texas Wik-i-Lago Spa Resort in Florida. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Congrats, Martin, as the lucky winner, you even get a free hurricane. (Extra-large.) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Yay!! I knew those Jimbo sex tapes would come in handy one day! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Indeed! It's always darkest before the storm. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes-siree! Let's "Make America Gruesome Again" ... Storm on, I say! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Please forward your bank details to enable us to send you your prize. For added security we are required to ask you for your banking details such as your branch, mother's maiden name and the name of your first pet.

(I've no idea how I have ended up here, I can only assume I've reverted vandalism on your page at some point) Knitsey (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Haha, lol. Don't worry Knittersy, you'll get your cut! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

And while we're here... 75 million voters? really?

Wow

"He's [Elon Musk] something -- he's a piece of work, I'll tell you. But he had it done in about 15 seconds. He said, "Look, it goes right up to the satellite." It's already back down. And they had so much -- they had such great communication so rapidly. It's incredible, actually. And the situation in western North Carolina is very catastrophic, very bad."]

"The green new scam is one of the greatest, most difficult things to be watching. The real number they want is $93 trillion. They want buildings taken down and new buildings built without windows because it's more efficient. Let's do that. Let's just tell people. You have a beautiful apartment, but you don't have any windows."

"It used to be a part of Russia. But he had a whole history going. It was something -- he would have never done it. He would have never done it with me there. I mean, I can't speak for the future, probably would have done it eventually. He would have done it because he wanted it. But this was something that was very important to him, but he would have never done it."

"They just come up, they want to do things like no more cows and no windows in buildings... They have some wonderful plans for this country... Honestly, they’re crazy, and they’re really hurting out country, badly.

etc., etc., etc.

Just wow. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Wanna trade? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Quite a few political slebs going spare over here... Some also have extensive experience in TV news. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Aladdin

[14]: I took you up on this. 90.142.52.139 (talk) 21:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Stop edit warring at Aladdin (disambiguation), 90.142.xx, or you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 22:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC).

Yes, I have replied at Talk:Aladdin (disambiguation). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

TopPop

What on earth were we doing, in 1974's UK, lapping up Auntie's Top of the Flops, when there was real stuff going on, just across the North Sea, in the Land of Clogs and Windmills, such as gems like this. Possibly their finest ever rocker. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

RIP Quincy Jones

Timeless. What a complete Delight. Yeah, Baby! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

What about the theme from Ironside (1967 TV series)? It's on a well known video website, but I won't link it here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, yes!! Well, 95% timeless anyway... And I will link this version as it's posted by Quincy Jones Productions and "Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group"... but, yeah, the actual theme is a real classic. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Fly Me to the Moon (Frank Sinatra's 1964 version) is arranged and conducted by Quincy Jones.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Some friendly advice, Ian: Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough. Owww!! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

November music

story · music · places

memories -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Madrid - Freiheit (Freedom) to listen to in the story, - they changed it from Freude in 2022. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

For a surprise, a Bach cantata is on the Main page today, where it was last year for the 300th anniversary, and they were too lazy to find something new ;) - Look at my story, and listen to the 3 whole-tone steps and the dialogues of Fear and Hope. - An open letter open to be signed (more info on the talk), - I haven't checked if you did, please ignore then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. No High Court in Delhi will ever get my real name! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Today's story relates to 2 meanings of 9 Nov, - imagine: I found a DYK I liked from 2006, before my time here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I uploaded more pics, on a mountain in the sun above the fog. - Madeleine Riffaud - remember. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Can you help referencing Charles Dumont (singer)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello Gerda. I will try and have a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for John Cannan

On 8 November 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article John Cannan, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede66 01:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Schwede66. Yes, grim. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

End of an era

Mantle with a plum. (Sorry for slipping you a Mickey.) --Tryptofish

So long the other Gazza. Those crisps will never taste quite the same. And what would dear old Ron Manager say? ... "can you imagine"?? But I hear there's already someone waiting in the wings, ready for a new career. Good on yer Justin, mate. Get in, I say!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Mikey Mantles? Wasn't he one of those quarter-backs?? This just isn't cricket, old chap. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Now, now, give the little guy a break. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Phew! I knew this would resolve itself one way or the other. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Who's the guy in that photo? Trump's new Czar of the Separation of Church and State? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, almost. He's Sir Keir's new Anglican Inclusivity Czar. *(Note: will oversee new fan fencing arrangements) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Will be working closely alongside:

The Bombing Ukraine Czar Czar,

The Gaza Holocaust Czar and

The Czar Czar Viktor Orbán.

Very sorry to report that Sir Keir's search for a new Secretary of Defence has produced no response from GB News. So he's now looking at other former TV presenters. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

John Healey is not going You for Me and Me for You (talk) 01:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Not going anywhere? He could manage a couple of days in Brussels, surely? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say anywhere. Healey is not going, the implication being that he is not leaving his current position. Ok, jokes be bygone, you can do this, you know? But jokes have to be jokes and sometimes, you know, it's raining over there again, so it makes sense, right?

Starmer should instead hire the late Dr. House for a personality transplant. You for Me and Me for You (talk) 22:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Sounds sensible. What The Donald really needs is another COVID pandemic. That should sort out all those illegal aliens. [15] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

RIP Roy Haynes

Roy Owen Haynes (March 13, 1925 – November 12, 2024): "He is considered to have been a pioneer of jazz drumming". From We Three (1959): "Reflection". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Wynne Evans

Thanks for lending a bit of time to remove incorrect information on the Wynne Evans article, especially as the results never get aired until later on Sundays.

Yesterday I have taken away another bit of incorrect information on the current Strictly Come Dancing series 22 competition. Both IP addresses don't know the rules about citing or introducing factual errors as you noticed today. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 11:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, as usual, just an excited plot spoiler, I suspect. We all know it's a convenient fiction. I guess the BBC just has most WP:RS sources on trust. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC) p.s. I had no idea that Paul Anka had done a version of "Jump". We need more AC/DC!!

Not the first time that's happened: an earlier edit was made before the results which turns out to be true in the end of 6 October. Usually it's non-famous audience members who edits before they are publicly aired on TV. And some other singers who done songs are not what other people expect either but as usual the article must be accurate with the sources. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen in it many previous series. Always anon IP editors, as I recall. Given the huge interest and the size of the live audience (and production staff), I guess it's an open secret on many social media platform, by about 9 pm on a Saturday night. I'm always a bit disappointed by the "in no particular order" results format. I know it's more polite, but I still want to go and see somewhere exactly how they ranked. That's what I pay my TV licence for!! I'm surprised the BBC is not called to account! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

p.s. Cousin Wynne can be a bit bullish. But let's face it, he did struggle with his swivel. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Turns out those IP edits I was referring to are correct as well even though I obviously said it was "incorrect information". About time I should actually avoid edit spying on Sundays until the competition is over. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 22:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Such a shame, as his dance off performance was much better! But still a bizarre choice of music for a Charleston. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

The Kingdom of Wessex ceased to exist in 927

I put this because politically, Wessex ceased to exist and annexed by the Kingdom of England in 927 when Æthelstan unified the petty English kingdoms into one political entity. The writer fixer (talk) 17:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello The writer fixer. I see you are a new editor, I'm sure you're very welcome to make any necessary corrections. But if you do, you need to add some kind of WP:RS source(s) which support(s) your claims. If you don't mind, I'll copy this thread over to Talk:Wessex, where is better belongs. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Roy Haynes

On 17 November 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Roy Haynes, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 22:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks, Spencer. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

ACE questions

Hello, Martinevans123,

Thank you for your question. Could you do me a favor and sign your questions? I had to go into the page history to see who was asking about the Open Letter. Many thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry Liz, I'm obviously (still) confused about the format there, where the template doesn't show the need for any signature. I must have assumed it was automatically added. I did the same at Leekycauldron and it was autosigned as normal. (This Reply also gets autosigned, of course, so one gets out of the habit!) Many thanks for your fulsome answer. Not sure I have any more questions for you. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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Charles Dumont

I think I have gone as far as I intend on this article, but noticed you recently reverted a middle name for Dumont. I earlier saw on the article's talk page that another editor posted 'Gaston' there, but again without a source. Funny/coincidental that two editors both came up with this. Is there any mileage in further investigation ? Blimey, where's Guy when you want him. Cheers. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@Derek R Bullamore: One source for the name "Charles Gaston Dumont" can be found in the Catalog of the German National Library, see here.
–Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk)‚ 21:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

Are there any others, I wonder? If you have faith in that single source, Tommy, I guess you could restore. Perhaps Gerda could judge its quality? But the "unlikely" in my edit summary sprang from the complete absence of that middle name at the fr:wiki article for Charles Dumont. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I see there is another source here Martinevans123 (talk) 13:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I see that the article has been edited using The Washington Post as a reference (probably either paywalled or blocked outside of the US). - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I registered an account, thinking there might be a free access period or area, but immediately got paywalled with a "limited time offer" of £15 annual subscription (full cost £60). I can't be bothered with the alternative of paying 99p every 4 weeks (full cost £6), so I think I'll just leave it. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for what you all did for his article. I found a ref in Der Spiegel but find edition mobile just a struggle, - sorry. Last day for him. Can some refs for books perhaps be moved to the end of paras? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for telling me. Will have a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)