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Formatting book

Dear wonderful people here, i'm sorry that lately i have to ask many questions. At the moment i'm translating an article from the German wikipedia. There is one publisher, who has published two books on an artist, but with the same title like "on stefan müller" with the two books additional have other titles like "volume one "stefan müller: on art" and volume 2 "stefan müller: on his sculptures" - but with the same isbn.. how do i format this? volume 1 and volume 2 don't work... script-title would work, but is that what it is? I would be thankful for your help. Naomi Hennig (talk) 11:27, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Naomi Hennig, I don't notice him listed in the disambiguation page Stefan Müller. Are you saying that this is a two-volume work, with an English title and subtitles (and no German title or subtitles), volume 1 of which is subtitled "On Art" and volume 2 of which is subtitled "On His Sculptures"? Are you planning to use the template "cite book"? -- Hoary (talk) 12:53, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, i made some mistakes.

1. i already translated the titles... in German it is: * 2010: {{Literatur |Titel=Ingrid Hornef |Hrsg=Carola Weber |Band=Band 1: ''Linie, Fläche, Raum,'' Band 2: ''Kunst im öffentlichen Raum: Skulptur, Installation, Modell'' |Ort=Wiesbaden |Datum=2010 |ISBN=978-3-00-030383-8}}

2. The artist's name is not Stefan Müller, i just used this as an example..

3. The title of the two books are always "Ingrid Hornef", but there are two volumes with different sub-titles?

4. Yes, i plan on using the template "cite book", at the moment i formatted it as if it were two separate books: * 2010: {{cite book |date=2010 |title=Ingrid Hornef: Linie, Fläche, Raum |language=de |location=Wiesbaden |publisher=Carola Weber|isbn=978-3-00-030383-8}} and * 2010: {{cite book |date=2010 |title=Ingrid Hornef: Kunst im öffentlichen Raum: Skulptur, Installation, Modell |language=de |location=Wiesbaden |publisher=Carola Weber|isbn=978-3-00-030383-8}}

Naomi Hennig, I'd cite it each time with either of <ref name="cw1">{{cite book |year=2010 |title=Ingrid Hornef | volume=1: Linie, Fläche, Raum |language=de |location=Wiesbaden |publisher=Carola Weber|isbn=978-3-00-030383-8}}</ref> and <ref name="cw2">{{cite book |year=2010 |title=Ingrid Hornef | volume=2: Kunst im öffentlichen Raum: Skulptur, Installation, Modell |language=de |location=Wiesbaden |publisher=Carola Weber|isbn=978-3-00-030383-8}}</ref> (augmented with information about the author(s) and/or editor(s)), combined with Template:Rp. -- Hoary (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Dear Hoary, that helps a lot, thank you. It's just that i want to give both books in the section "Further reading". Do you think i could handle it as i mentioned above? Kind regards, --Naomi Hennig (talk) 21:30, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Naomi Hennig, how about: {{cite book |year=2010 |title=Ingrid Hornef | language=de |location=Wiesbaden |publisher=Carola Weber|isbn=978-3-00-030383-8}} Two volumes: 1, ''Linie, Fläche, Raum''; 2, ''Kunst im öffentlichen Raum: Skulptur, Installation, Modell''. (augmented with information about the author(s) and/or editor(s)) -- Hoary (talk) 07:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Naomi Hennig, I think the formatting of the information is less important than the accuracy of the information. Worldcat hasn't heard of this ISBN, but amazon.de says that it's published by Blei & Guba and that it's written by Ingrid Hornef u. w. -- Hoary (talk) 07:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

That's not true, it isn't written by Ingrid Hornef... it only as texts of experts on her work... strang... i do have the books here, so i wonder, what Amazon did wroing. And thank you very much for the gute citation - i will use this! Kind regards, Naomi Hennig (talk) 12:13, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Naomi Hennig, I don't think that Amazon's descriptions are created by Amazon. My guess is that in some other database the book is described as having content by Hornef and others, and that this has subsequently been distorted somewhat in the description of Hornef and others as Autoren. However, I don't know the nuances of the German word Autor. Maybe they resemble the nuances of the English author. A nuance of author is that if I take a photograph (even if it's a very humdrum photograph that I take casually or lazily), I can be described as the "author" of that photograph (even though I can't be said to have "written" the photograph). -- Hoary (talk) 22:57, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Creating A Page

Draft:Drug Addicts Anonymous (DAA) - Wikipedia

Could someone please help with creating this article im not sure what to do Andrewsmith12345 (talk) 22:12, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Andrewsmith12345. You need to demonstrate that the subject of the draft article, Drug Addicts Anonymous, meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, known as "notability". The requirements are summarised at WP:GOLDENRULE. What your draft lacks is independent sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

OP blocked as a sockpuppet. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Someone stop this vandal.

A vandal here [[1]] removed big properly ref material without providing any reason. He should be warned for doing this or banned from editing.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 08:31, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Looking at that article's edithistory, I'm not sure that's WP:VANDALISM. @PrashantSahu1177, do you wish to comment? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Concern

Hi I have a concern about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:173.73.126.72. His explanation as to why my contributions to the talk were deleted is nonsensical. It is restricting my participation in the talk with no merit. 173.73.126.72 (talk) 10:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, article talk pages are for discussion to improve the article, not for voicing your opinions about the article's topic. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 10:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Situation: At article Annihilationism, on the Talk page, there was creation and then deletion of a section titled "False info." After several exchanges an editor deleted the section as having become a debate on annihilationism rather than on means to improve the article about annihilationism. A recourse for IP:173.73.126.72 is to edit the article directly - including adding references in support of a position. If reverted (reversed), then valid to start a discussion on the Talk page about why that was done, in hope of reaching a consensus. David notMD (talk) 11:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Ask for help to proof read my article COI

Hello,

So I am a first time user of Wikipedia and as a life long learner, spent a fair bit of time trying to familiarize myself with the platform. I was quite proud of myself for creating the following draft article: Draft:Didomi especially since the company I work for is a forward looking company. I have declared my COI as requested, and my article was rejected for the following reason: "Sources are mostly primary, PR or Wikipedia:Run-of-the-mill". As a non-native, I would like to request a native american copywriter help to optimize the draft. If that type of service doesn't exist, then I'd just appreciate a simple objective response free of passive-aggressive comments. Apologies in advance if my question is irritating to any expert of this community.

Thank you,

Sarah

Sarah Reveillard (talk) 16:04, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sarah Reveillard. While the draft could do with some work to make it more neutral (e.g. avoiding claims such as "provides a comprehensive solution"), your main problem is with the lack of independent references. Apart from basic, uncontroversial details about the subject, articles should largely be based on what genuinely independent sources have written about the topic. Many of your sources are Didomi's own blog or content on other sites that appears to be based on press releases. A properly independent source could be a newspaper article written about the company (unprompted by the company's PR) by a journalist without an interest in promoting it, for example. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks Larry, it’s now clearer, and I now see that sourcing Didomi’s blog and content along with self claims goes against the neutrality rule of Wikipedia. It was a lovely project while it lasted and made lots of learning. I used the wrong lense when doing it as I approached like a LinkedIn article 😁. I had also stumbled upon a similar company called OneTrust who is listed on Wikipedia. However, I also realise that it is also a double edge swords as if there is bad press, then it goes in there too.

I got carried away with the experience and didn’t quite think through that our little French company is far too small to be with the big dogs so to speak 😉 Sarah Reveillard (talk) 16:46, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Sarah Reveillard, the threshold for whether the company meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria is set out at WP:GOLDENRULE. However, it's often best to wait for editors unconnected to the subject to decide it's worthy of inclusion, and you're right that an article can be a double-edged sword! Cordless Larry (talk) 17:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you Larry for sharing the golden rules. will keep it in mind in the future. 😊 Sarah Reveillard (talk) 17:16, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sarah Reveillard Small companies can have WP-articles too, see Souldier (company), if there is independent sources. But the double-edged sword-thing is quite real. I know of a "case" where an editor created an article for her son, a soccer-player. She did it quite well, there were good sources and so on. But since the BBC told us last year that he awaits trial this year for one count of sexual assault, so does the WP-article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:36, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh woah, poor mum. Thank you for the added information. Good to know that it is still possible granted there is independent sources. Sarah Reveillard (talk) 18:09, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sarah Reveillard: That's right, if negative information is published in reliable sources, that information will end up in the Wikipedia article for all to see, as was the case with the article about this woman's son. That was a consequence she neither expected nor wanted when she wrote the article. Likewise, once your draft is published in article space, neither you nor anyone else from your company should edit it ever again in spite of any negative press. You must propose changes on the article's talk page.

I'll add that sources matter most. No amount of fantastic formatting, no amount of polishing the prose of a draft is going to get it published if WP:Golden rule sources are not cited to demonstrate notability. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:13, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing extra considerations to account for once it goes live. I didn’t realise it wouldn’t be so easy to add more input when a negative addition is made. Sarah Reveillard (talk) 07:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Sarah Reveillard as the reviewer I just wanted to make you aware that what may come across as a not as helpful as new editors expect response is due mostly to the amount of submissions to review vs number of volunteer reviewers. Articles for Creations has about 200-250 submission a day and the backlog is unfortunately growing quickly (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Backlog chart). In an ideal world we would have enough reviewers to spend more time assisting/advising new editors but currently we are far from that. Some of us do spend time improving not yet ready drafts to the point of acceptance but these are usually on particular areas of interest with COI subjects being a very low priority. It would be nice if new editors had to read the basics such as the WP:GOLDENRULE before editing/submitting to save the misunderstandings and frustration. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 11:54, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Help with adding March 13 birthdays

Being 86 on March 13 (today) I would really like to see Deborah Raffin (American actor) and Rupert Spira (English author) added to the Wikipedia list of notable birthdays on such date, but I lack the necessary skills and am too old to learn those skills; can't someone with the skills just add those two? Ozziemaland (talk) 00:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Added👍 You can view the page here March 13 PalauanReich (talk) 01:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for honoring my plea and making my birthday a joyous one! Ozziemaland (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit clash. I'd been about to say:

Happy birthday, Ozziemaland. Adding Deborah Raffin and Rupert Spira to that list would take me only a minute or so, but I'm not going to do it (for now, anyway). Here's why. Neither the article Deborah Raffin nor the article Rupert Spira gives me any reason to believe the birth date that it states for its subject. They could be wrong. (For all I know they could be mere hoaxes.) We shouldn't help misinformation to propagate.

However, perhaps PalauanReich noticed citations that I failed to notice. -- Hoary (talk) 01:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I hope PalauanReich's additions are allowed to remain in Wikipedia unless (and at least until) more authoritative information comes to light. Early Wikipedia articles maybe had too many errors, but the misinformation purveyed was so often corrected for a net gain to the accessibility of good data. An Italian proverb has it that the perfect is the enemy of the good, but wisdom resides in accepting the best possible within our abilities. Ozziemaland (talk) 02:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ozziemaland: That discussion is veering into the philosophical stances of Deletionism vs. Inclusionism, but even so verifiability is a core policy.

In the case at hand, I see that Deborah Raffin includes this source which gives the date of birth. But... that source was published in 2012, yet the Wikipedia article had the DoB (without a source) since 2006. Could this be Wikipedia:Citogenesis? I will try to investigate, see you on the talk page. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

If anyone is wondering, "the talk page" is this. -- Hoary (talk) 12:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Page Deletion

Hi everyone,

Recently I saw a wikipedia page in the name of Stellar Repair for Video which was earlier approved by so many moderators within wikipedia group recently got deleted without any notification.

I have a common concern here when a page earlier got approved by other moderators what is the purpose to moderate it again? Don't you think you are disrespecting other moderator who has approved it earlier?

The reason for deletion was secondary sources are not good mostly paid then how other moderators approved that earlier?

Don't you think it is also not ethical?

Best Rgeards Amitpandeys0281 (talk) 08:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Amitpandeys0281. Wikipedia doesn't have moderators. It has administrators, but administrators' role doesn't include "approving" articles. Notification that the article was at risk of deletion was visible on the article itself for a week, and you were notified at User talk:Amitpandeys0281#Proposed deletion of Stellar Repair for Video. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Cordless Larry. for your response!

Is there any way to restore it again? Amitpandeys0281 (talk) 10:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Amitpandeys0281 Since this was deleted via proposed deletion, anyone can ask for the page to be undeleted at WP:REFUND. One should be prepeared to adress the issiues though - there are stickier procedures to get something deleted for cause. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Putting aside the meaning of "moderator", I'm surprised to read of "a wikipedia page in the name of Stellar Repair for Video which was earlier approved by so many moderators within wikipedia group". Where did this happen? Anyway, here's the article: Stellar Repair for Video previously known as Stellar Phoenix Video Repair is a video repair utility developed by Stellar. The software repairs MP4, MOV,AVI, MKV, AVCHD, MJPEG, WEBM, ASF, WMV, FLV, DIVX, MPEG, MTS, M4V, 3G2, 3GP, and F4V files on Windows & Mac. It can repair videos shot from Android Mobile phone, iPhone, iPad, Digital cameras, GoPro cameras, drone cameras, DSLR etc. Plus references. Yes, just three humdrum sentences. -- Hoary (talk) 12:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Unarchiving a page from Administrators Noticeboard Incidents

Hello, I have a discussion that was never closed out but archived due to no activity for 72 hours. The other user was notified about it, and subsequently removed the notice from their user page as soon as the noticeboard archived the post.

I would like to re add it to the ANI, as the link at Help:Archiving a talk page says to do so under 'Continuing Discussions', but am not sure how exactly to do this. Do I simply copy the source of the previous post and add it as a new topic? Does the user have to be re-notified? And lastly, the Help page says to 'remove it from the archive', but I don't see a simple way to do that.

Thank you for your help!

Awshort (talk) 09:04, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, you can edit archives to remove the archived discussion like normal pages. You can just copy the source code and copy it back in ANI. You should re-notify the user as a courtesy, though I am not sure if it is mandatory. Carpimaps (talk) 14:07, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Warn IP editor

Hi, I have come across a IP editor who added wrong content/information of the candidates by copying the information belonging to another page. The sources inserted were directly lifted up and put in the page which are misleading until and unless checked by one. I have checked the sources and found that they belong to one and not the other. Refer: Next Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly election where wrong info was adding lifting up from 2019 Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly election. The ip user is User talk:2601:41:C500:4D80:F19A:CAAB:A1EA:9C5C, Since I am not aware of how to warn a user please someone take in account of this incident and warn or block the editor for any further disruptive edits since the edit went unnoticed for 3 days maybe since he added some sources editors might have mislead in a opinion that it was genuine. 456legend(talk) 14:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @456legend, welcome to the Teahouse. Looks like they've already been warned for various things. You can leave a message on their talk page, just like you can for a logged-in editor, and you can report them (at WP:ANI, WP:AIV, etc.) if they continue to be disruptive using this or other IP addresses. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:40, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@199.208.172.35 Thank you very much dear ip editor. I placed a warning note on the editors talk page. 456legend(talk) 14:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

COI question

I am a bit confused by the COI rules so id appreciate some help. I am sure that User:Harte-thompson is the wife of Alik Sakharov. You can see here that someone related to Alik is named Susan Sofia Harte Thompson Sakharov. There are also edit summaries saying Info removed at Mr. Sakharovs request. I am wondering if this is a rule violation or what the rules are on this. Thanks PalauanReich (talk) 01:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@PalauanReich: If the person is indeed related to the article subject, they certainly have a conflict of interest; see WP:COI for further details. However I note that the account hasn't edited since August 2020 so I don't personally think it's anything to be concerned about at the moment, as they're not actively influencing the content of the article. Neiltonks (talk) 08:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore, PalauanReich, posting off-wiki information about an editor (without that editor’s consent) is WP:OUTING, a rather serious offense. Please do not do that again.

(Asking some editor to disclose their conflict of interest is OK; linking off-wiki to evidence is not. Also, it is fine to deal with someone’s conflict of interest (as apparent from their Wikipedia edits) without knowing the exact nature of their conflict of interest.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:04, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Will not do it again PalauanReich (talk) 15:03, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

adding translation of wiki page in chinese

hello friends in Tea House,

such a lovely and relax space to talk about tech stuff :D

I recently just tried to add the chinese translation into my artist wiki page, and there is always just one red tag in the paragraph (english) which didnt allow me to publish the chinese version.

Would love to hear suggestion from the community, thanks a lot!!

Beatrix Pang :) Bpskhk (talk) 23:49, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bpskhk Welcome to Teahouse! Are you Beatrix Pang? We don’t have pages that belong to people, and if this article is about you then you have a WP:COI. As for why your edit was reverted, we don’t include external links directly into an article unless it’s a citation. See WP:EL and WP:WIKILINK for the difference. I did not quite understand your question about Chinese version, and the English Wikipedia project has little to do with the Chinese Wikipedia, since most of us don’t speak both languages. Happy editing ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 07:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Beatrix. You should stop making direct edits to the article about you, and use the edit request mechanism to suggest changes.

You appear to have created a Chinese version of Wikipedia's article about you (which is not "your artist page") in a subpage of your user page on English Wikipedia: you should be creating it in Chinese Wikipedia. Have you read WP:Translate us? I don't know what you mean about a red tag: please explain further. ColinFine (talk) 15:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Can I return this amendment?

Fixed lead line as per better source -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda I can see that you have been editing Meena but I don't understand what you are asking. The Talk Page of that article will be the correct venue to discuss your edits if anyone WP:REVERTs your contributions. That's the standard WP:BRD process we use. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Article will be nominated for deletion, but I don't know when

Hello,

I was told that my article will be nominated for deletion by another user. I believe the user will fulfill his promise. I would like to just have the nomination discussion already, so I can move on with my life and then the situation can be settled. I can't force the user to nominate it today and I don't believe I can nominate the article either.

The article's likely going to be nominated under WP:BIO1E and WP:NOTNEWS. I don't believe I can improve the article to fix either issue, though I would like to argue my case, but at the moment, there's nothing to argue because the article is not marked for deletion yet.

What actions can I take here?

Thank youKatoKungLee (talk) 14:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

If the deletion discussion has not yet been started, there is not much you can do until it is. You could post a defense of the article on the article talk page, and then when the deletion discussion starts link to it from there. 331dot (talk) 15:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Someone stepped in and nominated it, so the situation is handled. Thanks.KatoKungLee (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

For the curious, Jackie Miley, an article about a teddy bear collector, is at AfD and KatoKungLee, the creator, has asked for an uncontested deletion. KatoKungLee, a prolific article creator, has several other articles at AfD, include Christian Cavaletti. a collector of Pepsi cans, Harry Sperl, a collector of hamberger-related items, and Douglas and Mary Beth Meyer, growers of a large grapefruit. On Talk page, KKL has defended the practice of articles about people famous for one (debatably obscure) thing. David notMD (talk) 15:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I had never heard of the WP:BIO1E rule prior to the last few weeks. I don't know if I agree with it or how it's enforced, but I'm going to be mindful of it now that I'm aware, since naturally, the goal is not to get articles deleted that I wrote.KatoKungLee (talk) 16:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

{{ubl}} over <br />

Hi.. I think I have read somewhere either in policy/MOS/essay that state {{ubl}} is preferred over multiple <br />. But I couldn't find that policy/MOS/essay. Can anyone point out that policy/MOS/essay? Thx. Ckfasdf (talk) 01:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ckfasdf. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Line breaks. This assumes it's a list and not just consecutive lines with line breaks in specific places like a poem. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok.. Thanks. Ckfasdf (talk) 16:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Death note characters

Hello. I wanted to know of Death note characters, why doesn't Near and Teru have wikipedia pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfp5 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@Wolfp5 Possibly because WP-articles about them would fail the WP:N policy. If you have the sources demanded in that policy, you can try to make the WP-articles. But the internet is bigger than WP, perhaps you can find what you want in places like Death Note Wiki. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@Wolfp5 Another answer to "Why doesn't X have a Wikipedia page" (these are called articles) is "because no one has chosen to write one yet". People who create drafts, or articles, are all volunteers, and they work on what they want. Gråbergs Gråa Sång is also completely correct in their response. David10244 (talk) 07:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

WP-trivia: Death Note is mentioned on Donald Trump in popular culture. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:24, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Near (Death Note) for half of the answer. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Piotrus, renowned scourge of lists of things fictional. Btw, I read in Jüdische Allgemeine today that you have "ilk" (well, with google translate anyway), quite an accomplishment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding Wikipedia links from other languages

This is most likely a dumb question to ask, but is it allowed to put a different language wikipedia article as a replacement as English ones does not exist yet? (Like Fujiē Elementary school _(Japanese)) I`ve seen those in Japanese Wikipedia so just asking. (AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 01:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC))

You can certainly make an English page for that, but you cant just copy and paste the article and keep it in Japanese. More info here WP:RFT PalauanReich (talk) 01:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

フジエー sounds a strange name for an elementary school; do you have that right? It's not at all certain that you can make an article here for some elementary school: it's very rare for an elementary school to meet the notability criterion. If OTOH you're asking about a link within the text of an article here to an article (for example, an article about an elementary school) in Japanese-language Wikipedia because its subject lacks an article in English-language Wikipedia, then yes, you can do that. Use Template:Ill for this purpose. -- Hoary (talk) 01:48, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

For some bizzarre reason it exists. No idea how did that pass criteria. https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9D%B1%E6%B5%A6%E7%94%BA%E7%AB%8B%E8%97%A4%E6%B1%9F%E5%B0%8F%E5%AD%A6%E6%A0%A1 AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 02:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@AlphaBetaGammsh: Local Wikipedia projects are like sibblings in the sense that they all belong to the same family (i.e. the WMF), but they are also separate and distinct from one another; in other words, they all have their own separate policies and guidelines, and their own respective communities of users. Many projects have policies and guidelines similar to English Wikipedia, but many also have some that are quite different. Even in cases where policies like WP:N are similar, the other local Wikipedia may simply not have as many members of its community either trying to enforce the community's policies or even care about enforcing them. So, you tend to find lots of stuff on other language Wikipedias that probably wouldn't survive too long on English Wikipedia. It used to be the case that many secondary and elementary school did have articles written about them on English Wikipedia, but over the years the notability criteria for such schools has become more restrictive. Perhaps Japanese Wikipedia has either by choice or simply lack of resolve decide to follow less restrictive notability guidelines when it comes to such schools. Finally, just for reference, I believe the romanized form for 藤江 is "Fujie" and not "Fujiē". -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

So like each Wikipedia projects act like “States(in USA)” ? Huh.

Well thanks for the information, it was really easy to understand. Also not very used to those special characters, even as a Japanese. AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 03:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Sort like states I guess, but maybe more like different countries which their own rules and regulations. Anyway, it's quite hard to create English Wikipedia articles about elementary and junior high schools because not many meet WP:NSCHOOL; so, these are often merged or incorporated into other articles. All secondary schools used to be considered Wikipedia notable per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES simply because they existed, but that was changed in February 2017 and stricter notability guidelines are now applied. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:24, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@AlphaBetaGammsh: I think you want {{ill}}. That will preferentially create a link to the English page if it exists and a redlink otherwise, and always link to the sister Wikipedia in another language. For instance:

Napoléon Bonaparte [fr] (page exists in English and in French under the same name)
Galilée [fr] (page exists in French, but not in English under the same name)
Galileo [fr] (page exists in English and in French but under different names; only the English name is displayed to the reader)

(see source code to see how it’s done) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Exactly what I wanted! Thanks for the help! AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 23:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Question about Editing

So I have Noticed I have been editing while I was logged out of my account and I had to Endlessly claim it was mines and apologizes, So I did make some minor edits to claim it was mine and I need to delete the edit that shows my Ip address, how do I delete a edit? Spookycheems (talk) 03:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Spookycheems. Please read Wikipedia:Oversight and do not discuss this in public any further. You do not want to draw extra attention to it. I can delete this thread if you want. Cullen328 (talk) 04:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Ey 2601:202:8180:1F80:B4C2:7F9D:9929:E8AF (talk) 07:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

English article about Płanetniks - can a native speaker have a look?

Hello ;-)

Nice to meet you, it's my first post on English Wikipedia :D I translated the article about Płanetnik - basically, a Slavic mythology entity - from Polish into English. Could some native speaker have a look at my translation, pretty please? ;-)

LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaworu1992/sandbox

After a native will say it's okay I am gonna post it on Wikipedia ;-) I think? ;-)

Best wishes! ;-)

-- Kaworu1992 (talk) 11:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

@Kaworu1992 I made some copyedits for grammar, such as adding "the" or "a" in places, changing "divinated" to "divined", etc. I don't understand "because of eclipsing of functions płanetniks", or the rest of that sentence. David10244 (talk) 11:23, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

@Kaworu1992 I also edited the sentence that Carpimaps mentions below. I hope I didn't change the meaning. David10244 (talk) 11:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Hm... the "eclipsing" means that kinda both terms fused into one? Something like that? Sorry, maybe that was too literal a translation? --Kaworu1992 (talk) 14:07, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes it is too literal, in English, it has a different definition. Carpimaps (talk) 15:11, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

The article looks OK but some parts are confusing.

You should make sentences easier to understand. For example, I did not understand this sentence "By the name of płanetniks were also called the people who divinated the weather or controlled it." Also, you should make it present tense since this mythology still exists.

Though overall, the article seems fine. Carpimaps (talk) 16:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi ;-)

The sentence just means that we could also use a name "płanetnik" for people who divinated the weather? ;-) Also, I do not wanna argue with you about present tense or the past tense, but... actually, nobody in Poland knows this myth? xD And generally the whole Slavic myths and beliefs are a very niche topic and as a native Polish person, this is all news to me? And in this case płanetniks no longer exist, I mean, you do not encounter them "in nature" in modern day Poland, so past tense seems appropriate to me?

Please, tell me how this sentence you mentioned should get changed, okay? ;-)

ALSO, apparently I put this on Main Wiki... I hope that's alright? ;-)

Best wishes! --Kaworu1992 (talk) 11:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Kaworu1992, I plan to copyedit your mainspace article Płanetnik later today assuming you have no objection.

A problem that was immediately obvious to me was your use of sentences such as Płanetnik – a character from Slavic beliefs. Here, you use the em-dash (–) to say 'is'. This is not done in English, except informally. I myself have taken up the habit having learned it from Russian. You could rephrase the sentence as follows: A Płanetnik is a character from Slavic beliefs. You also write: The name “płanetnik” is derived from “płaneta” – cloud. Here is another issue of formatting, where you have used the quotation mark " where usually foreign-language terms are italicized. You could also replace the em-dash by writing what you mean to say, in this case, you are saying that the term płaneta means cloud. Therefore, The name płanetnik is derived from płaneta, meaning cloud. If any other users can add to this, feel welcome.

Also, because Polish is your first language, and because you can speak and write in English at a high level (your English is much better than my Polish, even after watching How I Unleashed World War II a few times), you may also consider translating articles from the English Wikipedia to the Polish Wikipedia. I invite you to read the article for notable Polish-American and your fellow schizophrenic (I mean this without rudeness according to your user page) Francis E. Dec. Happy editing! Fishing Publication (talk) 13:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Fishing Publication I think your comments are spot on. You'll improve the draft much more than I did. Thanks! David10244 (talk) 08:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hikaru no go and Takeshi Obata

Hello. In Hikaru no go page it is written that Hikaru no go won Shogakukan manga award in 2000, but in Takeshi-sensei's page it is written he won it in 1999. Which one is really true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfp5 (talk • contribs) 08:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hikaru no Go and Takeshi Obata: Each is referenced in Japanese, so check the refs. The article Shogakukan Manga Award shows year as 1999 without a reference, but it has External links which may solve the problem. David notMD (talk) 09:06, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Any pages in neuroscience which needs work?

Hey there, is there any page in (computational) neuroscience which requires some editing. Even beyond deadlink and missing citations. I would be happy to help Didiogiorgio (talk) 15:25, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Didiogiorgio The article computational neuroscience itself has been marked as requiring some tlc to make it more readable for non-experts. There are a whole bunch of "See also"s that you could review for content. I presume that you are familiar with WP:NEURO and that may be a better venue to ask what else needs doing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:42, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh my God!

There are many citations and references which are literally self-published websites.

This doesn't make sense given the amount of peer-reviewed paper we have Didiogiorgio (talk) 15:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Didiogiorgio This is not my area of knowledge, but you might be interested to know that you can find numerous related articles listed in some of the Categories shown right at the very bottom of the article. See Category:Computational neuroscience, for example.

We also have innumerable 'WikiProjects' which aim to work on specific subject areas. Most have a really useful 'Quality Assessment' tables for finding articles of varying importance to that WikiProject, and also varying levels of completeness. 'Stub' and 'Start' class articles are the shortest and have the most potential for quick-win improvements. Just click the number in the relevant cell of the table to see a list of all those articles. In you case, I'd guess WikiProject Molecular Biology/Computational Biology would be most relevant to your interests. Hoping this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Didiogiorgio Yes, replacing bad references with good references will be a great help to this encyclopedia! David10244 (talk) 09:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Explicit Text Use Permission

Hi! I have a question about permissions. Recently, I had a page deleted because it use too much similar lingo from the subjects own website. I can get permission from the subject to use any text I want from his site for his wiki page, but I had to start a new draft of the article since the old one was deleted and it is not a live article yet. In the permissions letter it specifically asks for the Exact URL of the page or file on Wikipedia they are giving permission for, but how can I do that if it is not live yet? I am including Wiki's specific letter lingo below for reference, thank you!

"I hereby affirm that I, [I, (name), am], the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of [URLs of the content] as used here: [Exact URL of the page or file on Wikipedia], and have legal authority in my capacity to release the copyright of that work." Pinkcell23 (talk) 15:44, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Pinkcell. I think they would need to be clearer about what they mean by "release" (to public domain? or under which licence?) and would need to send the authorisation directly. See WP:DCM.

But beyond that, it is comparatively rare that material from the subject's website will be suitable for a Wikipedia article, because it is unlikely to be neutral in tone. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Pinkcell23 Assuming that you mean this website, the information it contains would only be of limited use when drafting an article about Jonas: to the extent mentioned in WP:ABOUTSELF. For an article about him to be accepted, you need to find sources which meet all of these criteria and show that he meets the relevant notability requirements. Don't waste your time trying to get permission to use verbatim quotes from websites: Wikipedia articles are based on editors recasting material in their own words and using a neutral tone. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Pinkcell23 If the site author gave you "verbal" or e-mail permission to use his words, that doesn't mean that you can give permission on the form -- you are not the creator of the content. That language, which you quote, explicitly refers to him, not to you. Also, that release allows anyone to reuse the same material (if he were to release it). Knowing that, please follow what Mike Turnbull and Colin Fine say about notability and reliable sources. David10244 (talk) 09:17, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

conflict of interest question

I want to clarify who can edit a page. I work for someone who wants a few edits to his page, e.g., job title and newest published book. Can I make those changes as someone employed by him? If not, is it possible to prompt someone else to make the changes? 2600:4040:4467:7000:D11C:62E7:EAA:7F8C (talk) 17:05, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read WP:COI and WP:PAID, which should answer your questions, as well as reading how to make edit requests. It would be easier for you to make the required disclosure if you create an account, but you must disclose even if you choose not to make an account. 331dot (talk) 17:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for confirming. I think it's best that I make the edits and disclose. 2600:4040:4467:7000:D11C:62E7:EAA:7F8C (talk) 19:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

You need to make edit requests and disclose. Please don't edit the article directly. David10244 (talk) 09:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

G 105.33.156.86 (talk) 17:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

No it is not possible 105.33.156.86 (talk) 17:44, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

IP user, please do not give incorrect advice. It is possible, if done correctly. 331dot (talk) 17:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

What 331dot wrote was create an account, dclare on your User page that you are paid to contribute to name of article, then on the Talk page of that article create a new section in which you describe the changes you wish to have made - including properly formatted references - and append and edit request so that a person from the edit request squad can look at in (in weeks to months) and decide to implement or deny. David notMD (talk) 21:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

How do I know wether or not I can use an image

Basically, I'm working on a page about a war in ancient greece. For the infobox I'd like to have an image of soldiers at the time, and I found a suitable image here: http://www.about-turkey.com/karun/aktepe.htm (the larger one) I don't know if I'm allowed to use it, since it's not in Wikicommons, but the image is quite old. How do I find out if I am able to use it? Many thanks! GeneralCraft65 (talk) 17:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, GeneralCraft65, and welcome to the Teahouse. For any image you find on the internet, you must assume that it is copyright and cannot be used unless you can find an explicit statement that it is public domain or released under a suitable licence. I can't find anything about copyright on that site, so I'm afraid not. Note that there may be copyright in the photo itself: just because the artwork is ancient doesn't mean that the photo is free of copyright. ColinFine (talk) 18:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Is there a website other than WikiCommons that I can use to find free-source images? Or could I recreate the image myself and upload that? GeneralCraft65 (talk) 10:32, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

@GeneralCraft65 If you use Google image search, it has an option in "Tools" called "Usage rights" which will limit the hits to those images with Creative Commons licenses, which is what we need for Wikimedia. That tool is not foolproof but it can help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:15, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine: just because the artwork is ancient doesn't mean that the photo is free of copyright - the WMF takes the legal position that it does. See Commons:When_to_use_the_PD-Art_tag#The_position_of_the_WMF:

WMF's position has always been that faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art are public domain, and that claims to the contrary represent an assault on the very concept of a public domain.

GeneralCraft65, based on the above, you could upload ancient pottery and similar old works of arts to Commons and slap commons:Template:PD-art on it; that would satisfy copyright. However, are we sure that the images on the site you linked to are what they say they are? That site seems to be a one-person blog, with little guarantee of reliability. It would be safer if you could find the same images and a description linking them to that war on a museum page.

(Ironically, if the images are a Photoshop forgery, they would be recent enough to trigger copyright protection.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tigraan, I'm confused. Do you think that images of pottery are, or are not, "faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art", are they? I thought ancient pottery is three-dimensional art, whele the wall paintings are two-dimensional works. Right? David10244 (talk) 08:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Eh. Arguably pottery painting is two-dimensional (even if the pottery itself is three-dimensional), but I suppose that’s not a very convincing argument.

I would say that the legal difference between 2D and not-2D is that you can more easily argue originality in the latter case. You can choose the angle of photography around the object, whereas faithfully reproducing a 2D object necessarily needs to be done in front of it. I have no idea if there is a standard technical way to take photographs of pottery, which would weaken the originality claim.

(Of course all that is academic - in the OP’s case we’re talking about wall paintings) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the wall paintings are 2D... unless the wall is really bumpy! (Kidding.) David10244 (talk) 11:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

The other key missing point: All of the above depends upon what country the pot and the person taking the photograph are in when the photo is taken. - X201 (talk) 09:51, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Citing author names that are in non-latin scripts

Given that there are multiple ways to romanize Korean, and particularly Korean names, would it be best practice not to Romanize any Korean names (when the person has not been referred to in English) when including them in references? (eg. 유, 석조; 김, 광일 (1994-10-23). "교량 붕괴 주범은 과적차량...철저한 단속 필요" [The main culprit of the bridge collapse were overloaded vehicles...a thorough crackdown is needed] (in Korean). KBS News. Archived from the original on February 17, 2023. Retrieved 2023-02-17.) :3 F4U (they/it) 00:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Freedom4U I would include the original script, since that's an exact match, while romanization can be inconsistent, unless they're well known by a specific romanization e.g Sun Tzu. This has been discussed before, and while there are script-chapters and script-titles, I don't see anything about script-author. Help_talk:Citation_Style_1/Archive_73#Author/Editor_link_in_other_language. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Are corporate pages reliable?

I was editing The Chicken Rice Shop article and one of the main issues is citations for verification. I want to cite https://www.thechickenriceshop.com/find-us but I don't know if corporate pages are considered reliable or not by Wikipedia. I did check Wikipedia:Reliable sources but couldn't find anything. Imbluey2 (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

It depends on what information it's being cited for. If it's a basic uncontroversial fact about the business, it should be fine. Though it's always best to find a source independent of the thing you're writing about. And you need at least some independent sources to prove that the business is actually notable enough to have an article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:13, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hu, Imbluey, and wleomce to the Teahouse. The buguglyalien's advice is right. The relevant policy is WP:ABOUTSELF. ColinFine (talk) 11:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

PL GNG

Hi, what is the GNG for a Programming language? Tzahy (talk) 13:39, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Tzahy Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are no specific notability guidelines for a programming language, so as you suggest WP:GNG would apply- the topic must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 13:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much 331dot. Tzahy (talk) 13:52, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tzahy You might also find the opinions in this essay of interest to you: Wikipedia:Notability (software). They are not a formally adopted guideline, however. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:58, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Editing/Links

Recently on a Science Fiction binge (Lost in Space), noticed some real-world locations mentioned as homes for an alien race (star system), wanted to include the episode in the category for that specific star in fiction and when in that category the link would auto scroll to a specific episode so people can know that this Star was mentioned in the episode. not a huge deal but thought it could be kinda neat for those looking for references. Mrhidesbees (talk) 21:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mrhidesbees. You mean, add it to categories like Category:Fiction set around Rigel? What is added to a category is an article, not a section or anchor in an article, so I don't think there's a way to do what you are asking. ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for pointing that out. I am largely ignorant as to how things work behind the scenes. Mrhidesbees (talk) 22:22, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Mrhidesbees. Further to Colin's reply above, I think there would need to be two criteria met to be worth even adding a mention to an article on a real star system. Firstly, it shouldn't just be some passing mention in a SF programme, but a significant part of the storyline. Then I feel it would need a supporting citation to permit someone to confirm that that star system was indeed used as the focus for a particular episode. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I think you have a point; if every passing mention of everything from everywhere was included in Wikipedia it would be a clusterjumble. I suppose an alternative would be to make a plot summary for each episode but that would take some work! haha. Mrhidesbees (talk) 22:25, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, very true. See also WP:TRIVIA. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikiproject request SM Supermalls

my Draft is bad from WikiProject ok 210.23.189.140 (talk) 09:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome IP editor to Teahouse! New proposed WikiProjects should approved at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council. The key thing there is a proven need and interest to maintain a WikiProject beyond one or two editors. I will remove the draft review, because that's intended for actual Articles. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Shushugah new wikiprojects? 210.23.189.140 (talk) 10:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. You seem to have joined a group of IP editors from the Philippines who are determined to create articles on every SM shopping mall. While some of these articles now exist in mainspace (see SM Supermalls and dozens of similar articles) your latest attempt at Draft:SM City Sorsogon Design is, frankly, a mess. In its current state it is bound to be declined by a reviewer. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

How do I exclude templates with what links here

I’ve seen several articles which were likely orphans if not for being linked in a commonly used template.

Is there any way to exclude such templates when looking at back links? That might reveal pages that need a lot of more links to them Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 07:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle this is a rather advanced question for Teahouse! Another user made a script for this. You can past the following into your Special:MyPage/common.js.

/* This script adds "Source links" below "What links here" in the sidebar.
   "What links here" will include pages using a template with the link.
   "Source links" tries to search for pages where the link is in the source.
   To use the script, add the following line to Special:MyPage/common.js:
 
*/ 
importScript('User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js'); // Linkback: [[User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js]]

~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 07:25, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

There's also a userscript to easily install userscripts:User:Enterprisey/script-installer Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:34, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång so it will just make me automatically not see template links anymore? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

JUDUCA - Abandoned Article

JUDUCA is a stub which requires ASAP expanding and actualization, the information is outdated as of 2016

多多123 (talk) 13:39, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

多多123 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has no deadlines, so what is the source of your urgency? We're only as good as the volunteers who choose to edit when they can. The draft is currently completely unsourced and probably merits deletion. Do you have sources changes to propose? 331dot (talk) 13:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response, but I believe it is an essential article for the Sports section of Wikipedia, although your point is valid.

'Wikipedia is not working to a deadline, though it is not an excuse for complacency.'

There are no encyclopaedic references available on the internet; there are primary sources. If the community and/or admins wish to delete it, go ahead, but I think this has great potential. 多多123 (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I just believe it is a good article with potential and requires a little clean-up to keep it up to date and to Wikipedia's standards. If these are achieved it would speak for itself. I'm asking for experienced editors to help with the expansion and actualization of this article. 多多123 (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

多多123 This isn't really a forum to request that others edit an article. That's part of the purpose of the maintenance tags, but they haven't resulted in others editing. If you have sources to contribute to this article, you're the best person to edit it. If you don't feel comfortable with editing it, but you still have contributions to make to it, you may make an edit request on the talk page. 331dot (talk) 15:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

👍 多多123 (talk) 15:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Which request would I make? 多多123 (talk) 15:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 多多123. I'm afraid it is a good article with potention and requires a little clean-up is like saying "this house (which has no foundations and may fall down at any time) is a good house and just requires repainting". It is not possible for an article without citations to be a good article, or to "speak for itself". Unless and until independent, reliable sources are found, any effort spent on the article would probably be effort wasted. ColinFine (talk) 15:10, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Would local governmental references be still considered biased? 多多123 (talk) 15:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Golden rule for guidance. Generally local coverage (government or not) is insufficient to establish notability. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:20, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm learning as I go. 多多123 (talk) 15:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

How to get a COI article approved

I have been working on and twice submitted an article, which I am being paid to create (a fact that I disclosed at the outset). I submitted the first draft of the article, and it was declined; the reason the editor gave was that it sounded more like an advertisement and needed more independent sources. I went through, reworked much of the article, cut much of the copy and added in many more independent sources/citations. The article was declined again, with the editor stating that it was still exceptionally promotional — and noting that this is why COI editing is strongly discouraged. Despite probing both editors for additional feedback/clarification, I haven't received any.

Essentially, I am hoping someone can provide some thoughts on areas of the article that Wikipedia may deem as too promotional so that I can edit or remove those. In general, I would be super appreciative if anyone has advice on how to get a COI article approved. I am sure COI editing occurs all the time (whether people disclose it or not), and I have seen quite a few articles that are much more promotional or lacking in independent sources than the one I am creating.

The article is for Springbar; here is the page: Draft:Springbar.

Thank you in advance for your help! Xlea Nollmav (talk) 02:28, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Xlea Nollmav. I have been a tent camper (though less frequently in recent years) ever since the late 1960s. Mostly, I have used tents made of lightweight synthetic fabrics, but I have stayed in pre-erected canvas tents in both car-accessible and wilderness areas of Yosemite National Park a number of times. I read backpacking and mountaineering magazines and books, own hundreds of volumes, and have never heard of this company until just now. The first reference in your draft is to the company's own website which is a big red flag waving in a strong breeze for reviewers. Acceptable Wikipedia articles summarize reliable sources that are entirely independent of the topic of the article. The very first sentence includes overtly promotional marketing language spacious design, simple setup and mid-century style, referenced to the company's own website. That is the functional equivalent of hollering to reviewers, "Please decline this promotional draft immediately!" Claims that their tents have been used at the Everest Base Camp are poorly referenced and of little significance. That camp is a seasonal tent city, after all, visited by as many as 40,000 people a year. Who cares if this company's tents were once erected there? You have referenced some baloney about the company being mentioned on The Price is Right to the company's Facebook page. So, that is irrelevant trivia referenced to the exact opposite of a reliable source. When I read your draft, I conclude that some young investors have purchased a moribund, non-notable company, and are trying to promote it using 21st century marketing techniques. The problem is that advertising, marketing and promotion are strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. Language like All Springbar tents are designed and treated to be highly water and mold resistant, yet breathable, with tightly woven, double-fill, 100 percent cotton duck canvas. Springbar tents made in the USA are manufactured with Sunforger finished canvas and treated with the highly water-resistant Sunforger finish. Imported tents are made with HardyDuck finished canvas, which features a highly water resistant and anti-mold finish similar to those made and treated with Sunforger. Every Springbar tent uses a lap-felled seam construction, three types of cotton thread and special cotton bindings to prevent leaking. A fine-grade opaque mesh netting is used for all windows, and canvas reinforcements on windows allow for venting while keeping rain out. is overtly promotional and has absolutely no place in a neutrally written encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 05:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Delete the entire Products section. David notMD (talk) 09:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Xlea Nollmav: Additionally, you must totally lose the mindset that Wikipedia is a publicity channel. It isn't, it must never be used that way, but you're trying to use it that way, and your employer is expecting you to use it that way. As long as that purpose exists, the article can never be published. Answer the question "what three sources cited in that draft meet all of the criteria described in Wikipedia:Golden rule"? If you cannot identify them, then the company doesn't merit an article here. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:17, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your perspective. That is a great approach to take. I appreciate it! Xlea Nollmav (talk) 15:39, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I will remove that section. Xlea Nollmav (talk) 15:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the feedback! This is certainly helpful. Xlea Nollmav (talk) 15:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Correct vs Common vs Consensus

Though I’m not a new editor per se, I’m not so active in the ways that I would have come across this issue before. My question is in connection with an edit I’m wanting to make, but it exists independently of that edit. If there is a conflict between accuracy, common parlance, and Wikipedia consensus, what is the aim of Wikipedia as an organization, for Wikipedia as a repository of knowledge? What if an article is self-contradictory, such as a situation where an article’s longstanding and accepted text is that the article’s title (or a key section in the article, or whatever) is incorrect. On the one hand, the larger conflict needs resolving, but I don’t have the cycles to enter into that kind of argument. On the other, how should small edits to a self-conflicting article proceed? Follow the accepted incorrect wording/text or follow the article’s text that the title (or section or whatever) is inaccurate? I’d like to get an answer to this in the abstract, so I’ll forgo a link to where it came up for me for now. I could not find writing on this matter in Wikipedia Help, but maybe I wasn’t searching well. Triplingual (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

When there's doubt about what should be on an article, the answer is usually to discuss it on that article's talk page. If you need more input in the discussion (especially if it's a more obscure article where no one is looking at the talk page), you can make a post on a noticeboard. For example, if you think the article doesn't accurately reflect what its sources say, you can make a post at the no original research noticeboard. Or you can ask for input on a WikiProject, like if it's an article about psychology, then you can get more input from WikiProject Psychology. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:10, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Triplingual. "Answers in the abstract" are often not helpful in discussing issues on Wikipedia. Your dichotomy Follow the accepted incorrect wording/text or follow the article’s text that the title (or section or whatever) is inaccurate does not necessarily capture all the possibilities. ColinFine (talk) 11:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

It is possible that they are not helpful for you, but it would be extremely helpful for me. Getting the answer for one article is nice, but having a conversation that leads to guidelines I can use in future editing is even better. I'll also be happy to hear pointers to where editing self-conflicting articles has been discussed before or policies that inform what to do in situations such as the one I described, or, as you say, in other possibilities. Triplingual (talk) 16:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

WP:V, WP:TRUTH, WP:ONUS, and WP:CONSENSUS combine to say information comes from verifiable sources and our priority is verification, not truth. When information that is verified is challenged, consensus determines inclusion or exclusion.Slywriter (talk) 16:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Template:WelcomeMenu-introduction follow-up

I have a number of questions—writing out here to help myself use the mental frame of conversation to draw out my goals, curiosities, and current confusions, but will likely go follow up on elements myself.

I'm interested in power tools: effective or commonly used ways to query for—data the community finds interesting.
- I'm curious what level of activity triggers your threshold to prompt a Template:WelcomeMenu!
- I'm also interested in bulk-editing tools. I made a series of around two dozen edits recently by hand, adding {{About| hatnote templates to disambiguation pages.
  - I'm curious about how to do edits in bulk.
  - And where I should raise discussion about it. Perhaps here on my user page, or on a user (project) subpage.
I'm curious why the tooltip previews don't appear (for me) on mouseover of links in your post.
I plan to follow up with wiki "adoption" or joining or contributing to a WikiProject.
Heck, how do I check watchers, or how does the reply mechanism work here. What are the ways of (and levels of) bringing other's attention to edits, or questions, or topics, with appropriate light but effective insistence.

Mcint (talk) 01:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mcint, welcome to the Teahouse. Here are answers to some of your post. Wikipedia:Welcoming committee says: "Welcoming committee members welcome new users who have already made constructive edits". We don't welcome users who have merely registered an account without editing, and we usually don't say welcome to users who have only made vandalism. Your hatnote edits like [2] are contentious per Wikipedia:Hatnote#Disambiguating article names that are not ambiguous. If Les Misérables (1995 film) is the only 1995 film called Les Misérables then the full article name is not ambiguous and we usually don't make a hatnote. I think you should learn more about Wikipedia before using bulk edit tools. They can quickly make a mess. The default tooltip feature Page Previews is only active for links to articles and not other namespaces. A piped link may conceal that a link is not to an article. For example, I just wrote [[Wikipedia:Namespace|namespaces]] which produces namespaces but links to Wikipedia:Namespace. This is not an article so there is no tooltip. [[Namespace]] produces Namespace which is an article. Registered users can enable "Navigation popups" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. This is an alternative tooltip feature which is more geared towards editors than readers and it does produce a tooltip for other namespaces. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:50, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for an extensive reply, PrimeHunter!

I'll work on habits of checking the culture. I suspected there would be discussion, or policy about this somewhere. In this case, it looks like my intent of linking to related articles is also not preferred, although I find self-aware phrasings in the prose of some pages, such as "1862 novel of the same name, by" on the musical's page, excessively hard to skim. It does look like infoboxes contain these kinds of adaptation backlinks that I care to see. I'll look to those in the future.

Given that the linking I really want to see seems handled by infoboxes, I'm still a little dissatisfied with hunting for the base reference of adaptations, but I guess I should revert these. Where else could I find discussion, debate, and policy, related to the reference type I'm interested in, but maybe not describing well. If not disambiguation, something like "a primary reference" for the page, page is an instance of other page. It seems like my questions might be appropriate or familiar in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, expounded thinking on the nuances might be there for me to find.
- I'll look to WikiProjects or intro tasks lists first, for an active but guided and higher-context introduction to more extensive editing.
Here perhaps, possibly irc:#wikipedia-en-help, where are other good places to think about asking or checking for novel (to me) kinds of edits? Or where

Excellent tip about Navigation popups, thank you. It looks like I should ask on MediaWiki for more help with using them elsewhere, as naive Special:MyPage/global.js inclusion does not solve it.

Is there, analogously, some way for the editor's link-insertion search to search and offer completions from Help:, Template:, or other editor-relevant namespaces?

I'm quite happy to have discovered, through playing with settings and enabling introduction edit links section=0 how introductory sections are numbered. I've been wanting to transclusion of just introductions on another MediaWiki site. Mcint (talk) 08:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for an extensive reply, PrimeHunter!

I'll work on habits of checking for existing consensus. I suspected there would be discussion, or policy about this somewhere. In this case, it looks like my intent of linking to related articles is also not preferred, although I find self-aware phrasings in the text, such as "1862 novel of the same name, by" on the musical's page, excessively hard to skim. It does look like infoboxes contain these kinds of adaptation backlinks that I care to see. I'll look to those in the future.

Given that the linking I really want to see seems handled by infoboxes, I'm still a little dissatisfied with hunting for the base reference of adaptations, but I guess I should revert these. Where else could I find discussion, debate, and policy, related to the reference type I'm interested in, but maybe not describing well. If not disambiguation, something like "a primary reference" for the page, page is an instance of other page. It seems like my questions might be appropriate or familiar in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, expounded thinking on the nuances might be there for me to find.
- I'll look to WikiProjects or intro tasks lists first, for an active but guided and higher-context introduction to more extensive editing.
Here perhaps, possibly irc:#wikipedia-en-help, where are other good places to think about asking or checking for novel (to me) kinds of edits? Or where

Excellent tip about Navigation popups, thank you.

Is there, analogously, some way for the link-insertion search, to search and offer completions from Help:, Template:, or other editor-relevant namespaces?

I'm quite happy to have discovered, through playing with settings and enabling introduction edit links section=0 how introductory sections are numbered. I've been wanting to transclusion of just introductions on another MediaWiki site.

For myself, but mentioning, I want to 1) restyle the numbered headers I've enabled, and 2) enable fragment linking from the headers (and not just from the table of contents of a page). Mcint (talk) 16:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

How does one 'fancy up' their User Page?

Hello, I just wanted to know how I would make one of those colored boxes, the one that gives tidbits about the user; "This user likes/is/ etcetera etcetera..." I've tried to find a Wikipedia: prefixed page for it but I can't. I've also tried to go on user pages and use the edit option to see all the markup and symbols that go into them, but everyone I go on has an edit-lock to prevent vandalism. [Which is fair, yes, I just wanted to state that I've tried all that I can to find a template.] So if someone could help me, I'd truly appreciate it. Thank you in advance. MetricPin (talk) 17:23, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @MetricPin, see Wikipedia:Userboxes, and Wikipedia:Userboxes/Userboxes. AdmiralAckbar1977 ^talk ^contribs 17:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@MetricPin They're called userboxes and there's a whole page about them and how to create them at Wikipedia:Userboxes Nthep (talk) 17:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Jinx @Nthep, you owe me a coke. AdmiralAckbar1977 ^talk ^contribs 17:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@AdmiralAckbar1977 no Cokes in the house, will a Pepsi do? Nthep (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh well thank you two. I think I just got lost in the nomenclature of these sorts of things. MetricPin (talk) 17:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Not a problem! Welcome to Wikipedia. AdmiralAckbar1977 ^talk ^contribs 17:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. MetricPin (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@MetricPin: And regarding edit-protected pages, you can still access the page content by clicking the "view source" option that appears instead of the regular "edit" option. For instance, if you go to the Main Page, you will see the "view source" option, which allows you to view (and copy, of course) the page content but not to modify it. — DVRTed (Talk) 17:45, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@MetricPin - Recently, I re-build my userpage and found helpful examples at User page design center/User page Hall of Fame. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:18, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Upload denied

Hello everyone!

I am working on an artists page and wanted to upload a picture which comes from the artist itself, taken with her own camera. When I completed the file name and description I was told that it could not be determined if I was really the one who took the picture. How can I imbed these pictures anyway if there is obviously no copyright issue? I tried this with multiple ones and got the same result every time.

Thank you everyone for their time! DeSantarossa (talk) 12:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

DeSantarossa Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You say you are working on the draft for an artist, but you have the same name as the artist. If you are not the artist themselves, you must change your username at Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS as soon as possible. Please also read conflict of interest and paid editing.

If the artist took the picture of themselves, it would be easier if they were the one to upload it, not you. 331dot (talk) 12:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I would also note that images are not relevant to the draft approval process, which only considers the text and sources. Images can wait until the draft is accepted. 331dot (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, DeSantarossa. I'm afraid that you are wrong when you say "there is obviously no copyright issue". There is no copyright issue if the photographer chooses to release the picture under a suitable licence (which will allow anybody in the world to reuse or alter it), and if they personally assert that they are so releasing it. You cannot do that for them. ColinFine (talk) 15:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@DeSantarossa: It doesn't matter who owns the camera. The copyright belongs to the photographer regardless of who owns the camera. Did you take the picture? ~Anachronist (talk) 15:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy to Teahouse hosts: Draft:Hella Santarossa, which states she is also known as Hella De Santarossa. David notMD (talk) 19:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

On that dreaded “Uncyclopedia”

Uncyclopedia is, what it’s name suggests, a Un-encyclopaedia. They have gone against everything we Wikipedians stand for, they make a mockery of Wikipedia on their page on us, and the website’s similarity has led many astray. So I present you this Query. Should we sue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:968C:9001:B9C7:5E23:C4EF:36A7 (talk) 18:29, 14 March 2023(UTC)

This isn't really the forum for this, but they're allowed to do that. The Foundation has lawyers who surely would pursue action if there was a legal case to do so. 331dot (talk) 18:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh. Bother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c8:968c:9001:b9c7:5e23:c4ef:36a7 (talk) 18:50, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

(please note: creator of this page speaking) Some people enjoy “Uncyclopedia” very much, and, I have worked on both Wikipedia and “Uncyclopedia”. But, Uncyclopedia causes more problems than it solves. But the question still remains unanswered. (Forgot the clock so I don’t know what time, 14 March 2023) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c8:968c:9001:b9c7:5e23:c4ef:36a7 (talk) 18:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor, please sign your posts with four ~ (or simply use the reply button). The answer is that there is nothing to sue over. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:46, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh. Bother again.2A00:23C8:968C:9001:B9C7:5E23:C4EF:36A7 (talk) 19:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c8:968c:9001:b9c7:5e23:c4ef:36a7 (talk) 18:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

You did get an answer, "The Foundation has lawyers who surely would pursue action if there was a legal case to do so." 331dot (talk) 18:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh. Bother a third time.2A00:23C8:968C:9001:B9C7:5E23:C4EF:36A7 (talk) 19:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c8:968c:9001:b9c7:5e23:c4ef:36a7 (talk) 19:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for drawing my attention to Uncyclopedia. It's satire (I've heard that Americans don't understand satire, but I don't believe it). It's really very funny - have a look at this article. Maproom (talk) 19:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

For one, I am not American, and two, I understand satire. (Just so you know, I used to work on Uncyclopedia, I know what to expect, and I fear what will happen if I click that link.)2A00:23C8:968C:9001:B9C7:5E23:C4EF:36A7 (talk) 19:10, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Wrong language

Hi I visited a Swedish Wikipedia article and decided to open a Wiki account. Since the instructions were in English, I assumed I had enrolled in the English language Wiki site. I then published a new page in Wiki, in English, and again, the instructions were in English, so a ditto assumption. I was then told by "Disembodied Soul" that English articles are not permitted on the Swedish Wiki. But that dude did not say what I should do next. So do I have to open another Wiki account? Has my page been deleted, or can it be transferred to the English language site? Cheers Tomashssn (talk) 20:49, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Tomashssn, Disembodied Soul pointed you to a link with all the language Wikipedias. Accounts are global, so you can recreate the article on the English Wikipedia. Your article on svwiki was deleted, you can ask around there to see if an administrator is willing to provide you a copy to help on the English article. See WP:YFA for overly detailed instructions on how to create a new article. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:14, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks SGT, much appreciated! Tomashssn (talk) 21:41, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tomashssn: Your interface language at a wiki can be set at Special:Preferences. At Special:GlobalPreferences it can be set for all Wikimedia wikis. Account creation at the Swedish Wikipedia is at sv:Special:Skapa konto which has an "English" link. I guess you clicked that but it only means you get an English interface during the account creation at the Swedish Wikipedia, before you can set an interface language for the account. I see how "English" could easily be misinterpreted to think the account creation is at the English Wikipedia. The account automatically works at all Wikipedia languages and other Wikimedia projects so it's not important where it was created. Years ago an account only worked at the wiki where it was created, and somebody else could create the same username at another wiki. Now we thankfully have a better system with global accounts. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

If you are ever in doubt where you are, the language code is in the domain name. en.wikipedia.org is the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks PH, much appreciated! Tomashssn (talk) 20:23, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Counter-Vandalism Unit

Hello, I am interested in joining the Counter-Vandalism Unit on Wikipedia due to my interest in anti-vandalism. Ever since I've joined the site a week ago, I've done a lot of work patrolling Recent Changes and reverting vandalism/other unconstructive edits.

So, my questions are: How can I join the Counter-Vandalism Unit? Are there any requirements to joining?

Shadow of the Starlit Sky (talk) 03:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Shadow of the Starlit Sky. Perhaps you'll find the information you're looking for at Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit. A word to the wise,though, fighting vandalism is an important but typically thankless task; it's also an area where new editors who seem to have lots of enthusiasm can quickly run into problems if they're not careful, especially after only a week of editing. So, if you feel that fighting vandalism is a way to somehow make your mark on Wikipedia and perhaps see it as a path to bigger and better things, then you might be disappointed at the lack of formal recognition your efforts will receive. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:01, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

My edits on page "Sonipat"

Hi there!

I am a new editor and learning the ropes of contributing to wikipedia which I have been using since I started typing on laptop. My first contribution was to page Sonipat as I am a resident of Sonipat which lies in country India. So, I started with putting the names of the famous schools from Sonipat with citations and links but those have been removed. When I started editing the page only 1 school was mentioned so I continued by putting 4 more school names but now we are back to square one. In case if I have followed any wrong practice contrary to wikipedia's guidelines then do let me know and if I were correct then I hope the edits which got removed will be reinstated.

Thank You

A sincere Wikipedia's lover Ajoobaa.in (talk) 15:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Ajoobaa.in Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You added some external links to an article, these were inappropriate for the article. Please read the external links policy. Generally, schools are only added to articles about communities if the schools themselves merit and have articles. 331dot (talk) 15:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. So, can I add the school names without links as I strongly believe that to make my city's page fully exhaustive for the readers then it should be replete with all basic information. Ajoobaa.in (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

There should not be a mere list of schools. Only if the schools merit and have articles themselves should they be mentioned on that article. The vast majority of schools do not merit articles, as they must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that an article can summarize. 331dot (talk) 16:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Roger that! Ajoobaa.in (talk) 16:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ajoobaa.in In my opinion, if a random person wants to find what schools are in a city, they should use a search engine, not an encyclopedia. Therefore, my opinion is that an article on a city doesn't need a list of schools. Others might disagree with me though. David10244 (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Camila Coelho

Hello! I am working on creating a page for Camila Coelho, one of the biggest creators and entrepreneurs from the original 2009 blogger era that is a top creator to this date (was on Forbes 2022 creator list, CEO of two businesses), but I am running into some trouble despite having about 30 credible sources. Any help would be appreciated. Paulboy (talk) 18:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Paulboy Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As odd as it may sound, you probably have too many sources. Fewer high quality sources are preferable to a large number of low quality sources. You have some interviews, these aren't acceptable as it's the person speaking about themselves. Good sources should go into detail about the significance or influence about the person as the source sees it. 331dot (talk) 18:31, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Paulboy (talk) 18:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Paulboy did you also ask the same question at the Articles for creation page? David10244 (talk) 08:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Follow-up to Ivan Law AKA Ivan The Great has officially solves the Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls Murders

Last.fm Ivan Law - IMDb Ivan Law - Wikitia (Hip Hop Homicides) of Holly Hood : Who Killed Tupac Amaru Shakur and Christopher Biggie Smalls Wallace - Kindle edition by Law, Ivan , Law, Ivan. Professional & Technical Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com. (Link to buy a book deleted.) Holly Hood Tupac and Biggie Homicides Solved (2023) - IMDb The Tupac and Biggie murder case solved by Ivan law podcast interview (Podcast Series 2022– ) - IMDb Monster Beats – Medium The Investigation of the Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls murders has taken a decisive turn with the addition of Ivan Law's name to the homicide file by the LAPD. From now onwards, Ivan the Great will be solely responsible for solving the murders that were unsolvable for over two decades. : monsterbeatspress (reddit.com) The tupac and Biggie murders Solved By Ivan Law Press release by Ivan Law - Issuu “A New Book coming to Unveil the Truth on Murders of Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G our Most Beloved Hip-Hip Icons” – NBS-KA (nbska.com) Ivan The Great Monster Beats Ivan The Great Monster Beats (talk) 19:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ivan The Great Monster Beats, welcome to the Teahouse. As you were told the last time you visited, you should discuss articles on their talk pages. However, you should cite reliable sources for any information you wish to add. Citing your own book is not likely to be enough. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ivan The Great Monster Beats You are just putting ungrammatical assertions here, on a Help page. That will serve no purpose, especially since you don't mention any existing articles. I suppose you want readers here to click the link and buy your book. So you were posting here to get sales. I removed the link. Like the IP who replied, I also remember your previous posting of similar information on one of the Help pages. You should stop doing this. David10244 (talk) 08:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

save before publishing or submitting as draft

I am trying to find out how to save an article that I am working on as I am not finished with it yet and don't want to publish it or submit to review

Japan Political and Economic News (talk) 10:26, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Japan Political and Economic News Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. "Publish changes" should be interpreted as "save changes", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". It says "publish" only to emphasize that all edits are public. 331dot (talk) 10:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit request for Bill Ackman

Hello, Teahouse editors! On behalf of Pershing Square Capital Management, I've submitted an edit request flagging issues with specific text recently added to Bill Ackman's Wikipedia article. An editor added text using Twitter and the New York Post as sources. The latter does not appear to be considered a reliable source, but one editor reviewing the request says Twitter is appropriate in this case. However, the text is not even accurate based on the Twitter source.

The reviewing editor has not returned to the open discussion so I'm hoping someone here might be able to help. Thanks in advance for any assistance resolving this issue. FMatPSCM (talk) 19:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@FMatPSCM: Thank you for playing by the rules regarding your conflict of interest. The edit request is properly formatted, and hence in the appropriate category for interested editors to peruse. Please be patient, and do not try to "jump the queue" by asking reviews at other places. That might be considered WP:CANVASSING.

If you have a boss asking "where’s that edit I asked you to do?" or similar, well... "Our house, our rules", and the rules are that there is no deadline, and nobody is forced to work on anything on Wikipedia. If that’s inconvenient for your annual marketing review or whatever, sorry, too bad. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:07, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Where would I ask a question about British/American English?

I want to know where I'd get an answer about the correct form of a word in British English to use on Wikipedia. Quirk4 (talk) 04:26, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps try WP:Reference desk/Language. -- Hoary (talk) 06:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Quirk4 (talk) 12:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Are you familiar with the policy at MOS:ENGVAR? Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:40, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks. :) Quirk4 (talk) 12:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Atom

When I go into the edit history of an article, on the left sidebar, under "tools", there's an RSS symbol with a link with the text "Atom." What is this? When I click on it it sends me to what appears to be an error page. :3 F4U (they/it) 17:06, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, 3 F4U. I had never noticed this, and had no idea, so I entered "WP:Atom" in the search bar, which took me to Syndication, which has information about it. ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

It is like RSS. - Roxy the dog 08:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

The link in question is a live feed of updates to that page, so that if you have a feed reader you can receive news of any new edits made to that specific page from there. Atom is a standard for feed syndication. If you aren't concerned about the actual XML behind it just think of it as RSS but with a different specification. Your browser or feed aggregate will likely interpret the feed the same way as any other RSS feed. - Cheers, KoolKidz112 (hit me up) 12:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Oooh, thanks for the explanation :3 F4U (they/it) 12:44, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

data overload

See history of Milly Alcock - curprev 09:11, 15 March 2023‎ Vergucci talk contribs‎ 19,031 bytes +2,442‎ Considering that all references used were already saved into the wayback machine internat archive for future possible use, this latest innovation has managed to add 2442 bytes of data to this article to achieve nothing except congestion. Multiply that by some 6 million articles and I forsee that many more servers will be required.James Kevin McMahon (talk) 12:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

James Kevin McMahon Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Storage space is not a problem for Wikipedia; the Wikimedia Foundation that operates the computers Wikipedia is on has plenty of computer storage space available, and can acquire more if needed. 331dot (talk) 12:07, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Don't worry about performance and the thread Too many edits on the talkpage. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok, no worries. James Kevin McMahon (talk) 12:54, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Responding to COI editor

Hi all, someone might want to respond to Talk:Peter Kimbowa#sole admin rights in a more informative way than I could. -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:01, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Done by myself and another editor. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I have left a short comment with links over there; someone should have a look at the article, as we have now, amongst other things, plenty of external links included, and I haven't got the time to do more. Lectonar (talk) 13:12, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

2026 FIFA World Cup Qualification

Why my editing is being reversed continuously, in spite of, that it is correct and useful for readers. Further, total slots mentioned in play-off column is wrongly mentioned as 10 instead of 2 Riaz Butt SBP (talk) 09:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps if you explained your edits in the edit summary and provided reliable sources for them (WP:V) it would not look like disruptive editing to @JalenFolf: and they wouldn't revert them. - X201 (talk) 10:12, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Riaz Butt SBP (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. My first suggestion would be that you ask the users who are removing your edits as to the reason, either directly on their user talk page, or on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 10:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

In relation to your edits, the total in the direct slot column is supposed to include the teams that would later qualify through playoffs. However, you are correct in that the playoff slot total should not display 10 (possibly leaked in from 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup qualification), but should actually display 6. Yes, I do agree that the edit summary should have been used here. Jalen Folf (talk) 13:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Question about whether article would meet 1b and 1c of the FA criteria

Hi! I just wanted to get some people's opinions on something... So... I want to get Vivien Lyra Blair, which is currently a GA, to FA-status... but it's a really short article (like really, really short); however, that's all the information I can find related to Blair at the current moment. I'm not really sure if that would meet the criterion of comprehensiveness and being well-researched for an FA, and I just wanted to ask your opinion on whether it has a shot at being an FA. A lot of people (well, around three, but still) have expressed doubt on whether it would. I'm not asking for a full review or anything, but just whether it really has a chance in hell at getting to FA status based on its current length and depth. Thanks! Pamzeis (talk) 15:03, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Pamzeis It must be very difficult to be comprehensive about an actress who is only 10 years old and has, presumably, many more years of work ahead of her. So any version of the article might be OK at the point it was reviewed but would not be stable, one of the FA criteria. Also, it is a pity that the article has no images. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:41, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

On the more general question, there is a page at WP:Very short featured articles with some information and links to past discussions. The shortest current FA appears to be Miss Meyers, which has 150 more words of readable prose than Vivien Lyra Blair currently does and was promoted back in 2010. Of the ten shortest FAs, the only one promoted in the past five years seems to be Fir Clump Stone Circle, which is almost twice the wordcount of the Blair article. I agree with Mike that you'll have a hard time getting such a short article of a living person so early in her career to FA; if she were a child star of the 1920s and you could confidently demonstrate that you had exhausted the sources it would be more doable. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 16:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Commons

I am doing a blog all about native plants and have utilized many pictures from Wikipedia Commons. Recently I've noticed that the Wikipedia Commons is not easy to find anymore from the 'normal' Wikipedia page. How can I get the old look/style back also with all the different languages it used to show on the left-hand side!Thanks for your help, it means a lot as this blog is educational and non profit (costing me a lot actually!) Yokeflower (talk) 16:19, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Yokeflower, welcome to the Teahouse. Since you have an account, you can switch back to the old look (Vector 2010/vector legacy) by going to Special:Preferences and clicking thru to the "Skin" section of the appearance tab 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Yokeflower In the new vector interface, when you are looking at an article, the right-hand menu which is always visible includes a direct link to the corresponding Commons page (the "In other projects" header), which I find very useful. Otherwise you can always go via the Mainpage (top left menu item) and hence the main Commons page via the same "In other projects" link. Languages are now always top right of articles/pages. Stick with the new interface for a while and you may even like it..... Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:11, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Create Wiki page

How do I add someone who has acting credits in a Series to create a Wikipedia page without getting cancelled. Ive never added someone new but tried. And have made alot of edits on existing pages only. Lauralaelbart (talk) 17:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Lauralaelbart Welcome to the Teahouse. You have made 24 edits over several years, which is not "a lot" but that should not necessarily put you off. The key is to find sufficient sources so that your draft demonstrates that the person you are writing about is a notable actor. Read the essay WP:BACKWARD and then use the WP:AFC process if you feel you have the sources which meet the key criteria. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:33, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Lauralaelbart: you can find everything you need to create your first article at WP:YFA. Among other things there's also a big blue button there, to start drafting using the Article Wizard.

However, the first thing you should probably do is take a look at the notability guideline for actors, at WP:NACTOR, as well as the general one at WP:GNG. The subject will need demonstrably to satisfy one or both of those, before an article can be accepted. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Citing a website breaks the url

I've encountered a few websites where when I try to cite it it breaks the url. Why is this and what should i do as protocol for this?

The main ones are Sohu, encyclopedia iranica, and Kokugakuin University digital museum Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Does Help:URL#Fixing links with unsupported characters help? ColinFine (talk) 18:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Infobox book

For the isbn parameter of {{infobox book}}, it states that you should prefer the first edition. Does that still apply when there is a foreign-language original and an English-language translation of a book? Should the first English edition's isbn be used or should the original isbn be used? :3 F4U (they/it) 12:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry too much about it either way. Many historical books, for example Das Kapital were published and public domain'ed before ISBN even existed, so there's no correct answer of what's even the first German ISBN of Das Kapital. I'd lean towards using an English ISBN though, where you can also mention the translator if need be. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

That's what I decided on as well. Relevant article is An Introduction to the Three Volumes of Karl Marx's Capital. :3 F4U (they/it) 20:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

As a former bookseller and book editor, and a book collector, I would say that a translation of a work is essentially a work in its own right. Translations often contain significant information not found in the original, particularly in the case of non-fiction texts, so for English Wikipedia, the first English translation is often more useful as a reference.

And yes, ISBN's only started coming into use from 1970: any first edition older than that will not have one, although later reprints will. {The poster formerly known nas 87.81.230.195} 5.64.160.67 (talk) 20:07, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Rubenfeld Synergy

I would like to submit for publication an article on a little-known body/mind healing method called Rubenfeld Synergy, which is referred to in the section of Wikipedia called "Body Psychotherapy". There are two books about it, one of which was written by Ilana Rubenfeld herself and the other of which is stories about it. There is an article about it on USABP.org. I'm wondering how to manage source citations when these are the only ones I can find. Thank you in advance for your help. Rubenfeld Synergy (talk) 20:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rubenfeld Synergy Welcome to the Teahouse. There are a few problems here. Firstly, your username breaches our WP:USERNAME rules as it is wholly promotional, and liable to be 'soft-blocked by any of my fellow administrators. That would mean you would be prevented from editing until you either requested a username change or, more simply, created a new account that did not breach our rules and just abandon this one and forget the password.

Secondly, any editing you did (even with a new account name would be a Conflict of Interest and you would still be required to declare your connection to the business, were you to attempt to edit on that topic.

Thirdly, being "little-known' it is unlikely that it would meet our Notability Criteria for a stand-alone article, but I realise you were initially asking about expanding the text within the Body psychotherapy page. I still feel a book written by the author of the method would be inappropriate as a source, and I can find nothing about it at the link your gave. This would likely be unacceptable (i.e. WP:PROMOTIONAL) unless there were significant third-party sources referring to it. So I question whether expanding upon it is appropriate at all. What you wrote at User:Rubenfeld Synergy/sandbox would definitely not be acceptable without better, independent sources. You have also broken our rules about copy/pasting existing copyrighted text there, as you did from this source.

You might wish to raise the suggestion of a very minor expansion (just one or two lines max.) at the article's talk page (via an EDITREQUEST) once you have addressed the issue of your username, but be prepared for a consensus to reject any attempts to expand upon it. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

why are inline citations ending up in external links

Newbie here. I am writing an artist's bio and am near the end of this process, but now a huge stumbling block! What am I doing wrong? I have one reference. But all the others are under external links. Many thanks for any help! Mcc17 (talk) 20:46, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mcc17, welcome to the Teahouse. Your contributions show no edits to any draft article - can you give us a link to this bio you're writing so we can check out the problem? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Should I hit "publish" even though the article has issues with references? I was afraid that might hurt the approval process. Also, I put the article under another account so the artist can access it. Hope that wasn't a mistake. If you say to hit publish, I'll do it, and I think you'll then be able to search for it under the artist's name, Jane McNichol. Will that work?

Wow, I really am a newbie! Thanks for your help! 2600:4040:7E73:2E00:80E0:1FDF:CDAF:A39D (talk) 21:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor/@Mcc17, please don't share accounts with anyone, and please stick to just one. If you place your draft at Draft:Jane McNichol and then click Publish, a draft will be created, which can then be worked on and eventually submitted to AfC. Please review our policies on editing with a conflict of interest - WP:COI - since you seem to have some sort of connection with the subject of this draft. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:10, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I am getting paid, which I want to disclose. I've read the rules and thought that if I disclose, that would be sufficient and not be subject to a conflict of interest. However, I do know the artist. Do I have a COI? 2600:4040:7E73:2E00:80E0:1FDF:CDAF:A39D (talk) 21:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

As a paid editor, you would fall under the stricter WP:PAID policy. As long as you declare per that policy, there's no need to also declare a COI (it's sort of implied!). If your employer decides to create their own account (they must do it themselves, do not do it for them) and wants to edit the draft, they would need to follow the WP:COI guidelines. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:28, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate your help! 2600:4040:7E73:2E00:E092:1D24:3AD9:2D15 (talk) 21:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, PAID is a special case of Conflict of interest, and we are no less picky about it. As long as you make a formal declaration, and stick to the COI guidelines you should be OK. But note that creating a Wikipedia article is a very challenging task for inexperienced editors, and some volunteer editors resent spending a lot of time helping people who are getting paid but don't spend time learning the ropes before they plunge in and (often) make the same mistakes as other beginners. I always advise new editors to spend a few months making small improvements to existing articles before they attempt it. ColinFine (talk) 21:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Good advice, Colin. I worked with several articles before beginning an article, but I probably should have spent more time. Altogether, however, I think I've spend at least 50 hours trying to learn the ropes before asking for help. I'm a good writer but a novice with coding and all the ins and outs of the rules. You make a point that volunteers are careful with their time and whom they help. 2600:4040:7E73:2E00:E092:1D24:3AD9:2D15 (talk) 21:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

If you missed that, "Publish" means "Save." Wikipedia made that change so that people realize that what is saved can be seen by other edits, just by clicking on your User name or IP address and then on Contributions. Remember to log in at all times. David notMD (talk) 00:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, David. Very helpful! 2600:4040:7E73:2E00:E092:1D24:3AD9:2D15 (talk) 21:20, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mcc17. Since it appears your original question has yet to be answered, properly formatted references will automatically be added to the bottom of the page unless you tell the software to add them somewhere else. Since "External links" sections are often the last section of an article, the references may appear to be being added there; they are, however, actually be added to the page space below that section. Generally, a section placed right above the "External links" section titled "References" or something similar that contains a Template:Reflist will tell the software to locate the references there as expalined in WP:REFLIST. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Aha! Thanks so much! 2600:4040:7E73:2E00:E092:1D24:3AD9:2D15 (talk) 21:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Investigation question

is there a sockpuppet hunting squad i can join? Blitzfan51 (talk) 19:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Blitzfan51. Please read Wikipedia:Signs of sockpuppetry. Cullen328 (talk) 21:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Blitzfan51, and you may want to look into WP:SPI. ‍ ‍ Helloheart ‍ ‍ 00:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

New Wikipedia article about myself : Miray Dogan

Hi Everyone,

I am Miray Dogan. I’m a young Actress, Model and Writer. I would like to start by writing a true bio about myself on Wikipedia because it’s one of the most trusted websites for true information. If you Google my name I am seeing a lot of Celebrity misinformation. Wikipedia is the most credible source I know of. I submitted an article but it was marked for deletion. How can I move forward? I would love to keep this piece. User:Mimidogan Let me know what’s possible. Thanks and take care, Miray Dogan Mimidogan (talk) 21:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mimidogan. Based on reading your userpage, it seems that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of Wikipedia. Self-promotional activity is not permitted, and your page is overtly promotional. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Cullen328 (talk) 21:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cullen, I understand. I can try to write an autobiography if I want to create a Wikipedia page, correct? Thanks for the link I will read it and get it done properly.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12629409/ Mimidogan (talk) 21:36, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

No, you do not understand. Please give up any attempt to write about yourself. 119.245.86.251 (talk) 21:41, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I just read that in the link you provided. Can I let a PR company write the article? Mimidogan (talk) 21:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

If you were to, any people affiliated with that would have to disclose the fact that they are being paid for their editing. I would still strongly advise against it as conflict of interest can arise either way. - Cheers, KoolKidz112 (hit me up) 22:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mimidogan. You may not know that if an article about you does get published on Wikipedia the article won't belong to you. Anyone who can find a reliable reference about some aspect of your life can add information to the article, even if that involves things you don't want the public to know about. And as long as the new information is properly referenced the information can't be deleted, for this is an encyclopedia, and not social media. It may be useful for you to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:54, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

That’s good information to know. I will try not to be naughty. The same goes for all media and news outlets. There’s good press and bad press. I appreciate your concern. Thanks and take care.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12629409/ Mimidogan (talk) 22:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Mimidogan, your IMDb listing is a perfect example of why IMDb is not accepted as a reliable source on Wikipedia. It is self-promotional drivel. Read WP:IMDB. You are not going to be permitted to promote your own career here on Wikipedia, either yourself or through paid PR people. Cullen328 (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

As per WP:AUTO writing articles about yourself is strongly discouraged, in addition it creates a conflict of interest. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 22:38, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mimidogan. Perhaps it's WP:TOOSOON for you to have a Wikipedia article written about you. Maybe in a few years after your career has taken off a bit and your efforts have started receiving significant coverage in secondary reliable sources, someone out in the world will try to create an article about you based upon what those reliable sources are saying. All I can suggest is that trying to do so yourself now is probably not a good thing and you'd be better off focusing on other ways of gaining recognition for your work. Even paying someone like a PR firm to do it for you, most likely won't lead to an article being created but might lead to you to being deceived by someone who's happy to make whatever promises they need to make to get your money. Finally, please don't keep posting the url for your IMDb page. Doing so isn't going to make you Wikipedia notable and eventually it's going to be seen as spamming. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

New Astronomical Designation System

I recently spent a while creating a new system for designating galaxies, nebulae, star clusters, star, sand stellar remnants. I plan on extending my designations to planets, moons, comets, and asteroids eventually. I wanted a Wikipedia page about it but I don't know how it works. Does someone else write it for me? Do I have to write it myself? Ryan2516 (talk) 01:37, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

See WP:N and WP:FORUM. Wikipedia won't have an article about your new system unless is notable, which means it must have had significant coverage in reliable sources. If this is just something you have come up with and want to publicize, Wikipedia is the wrong place. Meters (talk) 01:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok. I've emailed a few news companies but it's only been a couple hours so I haven't gotten any responses yet. I asked about it in the live chat room thing and I got the same answer that you gave me. Do you happen to know a good place to publicize it other than emailing like 15 news companies? Ryan2516 (talk) 01:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

No, and that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. I would suggest that unless you are a well-known expert in the astronomy field (in which case you would likely not need to ask that question) no-one is going to be interested in your new classification system. Meters (talk) 01:59, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ryan2516: Your best approach would be to get a paper about your new system published in a refereed scholarly journal. If other astronomers cite your work, that starts to indicate that it might be notable enough to merit an inclusion on Wikipedia. If you are unfamiliar with the publication process, set up a meeting with an astronomy professor at a nearby university to explain what you have and how to go about publishing it. Wikipedia is emphatically not a publicity channel, and should never be used that way. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:31, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Self promo in User Pages

I'm considering writing about things I do outside of editing Wikipedia in my User Page. One of these things is moderating and hosting an online forum. Will it be considered self promo if I put the link to said forum on my user page?

Shadow of the Starlit Sky (talk) 18:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Shadow of the Starlit Sky Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read WP:USERPAGE for information on acceptable user page content. 331dot (talk) 18:26, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

In my view, if you had one sentence saying that you did this (and explaining in a few words what the forum was about, if necessary) but did not link to it you'd probably be OK. ColinFine (talk) 20:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

In my view, if your user page is mostly about you in a Wikipedia context, and you have one sentence about your forum with a link to it, nobody will complain. I certainly wouldn't. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:35, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

File request

don't edit is closed see SM City Sorsogon.jpg and to UploadWizard and moved in teahouse --122.52.79.185 (talk) 04:32, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

SM City Sorsogon pls ask of files @Eejit43 and @EchidnaLives ask it? 122.52.79.185 (talk) 03:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: WP:FFU

We have explained to you, the file needs to have a link proving that it is in the public domain (which is what you are claiming), a compatible license, or add a fair use rationale instead. Please do not continue to make new requests with adding this. echidnaLives - talk - edits 04:01, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wrong photo of person used in bio. How do I change it?

I found a Wikipedia page featuring my brother's basketball career. It is basically positive and acceptable, but unfortunately, the game action photograph displayed below his name is that of a different player, in the same uniform, wearing a different number -- not actually him. How do I go about replacing the current photo with a correct one? Eddie Artist 1 (talk) 18:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Eddie Artist 1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It would help to know which article we are talking about. 331dot (talk) 18:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

This is the article. It features my brother, former European Pro basketball player, Mike Reddick, however the player in photo (#14) is not Mike, who wore jersey #15: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Reddick Eddie Artist 1 (talk) 19:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Eddie Artist 1 I've removed it for now per your word. Apparently it came from [3], which doesn't seem to give us any name. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

And are you willing/able to contribute a picture you have taken yourself with your own camera? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I have photos given to me by the player in 1998, Mike Reddick, my brother. They were not taken by me, as I was not in The Netherlands, or Italy in 1984-95. I also have a photo scan of a 1988 magazine cover, "Play Off - American Sports Magazine,"which features Nashua Den Bosch player, Mike Reddick. Eddie Artist 1 (talk) 19:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Eddie Artist 1, Thanks. Unfortunately, this doesn't help us. WP, and the sister-site we keep the "free" pics on, Commons, are both very careful about copyright. In short, the copyrightholder, generally the photographer, can "give" away their images, see [4]. The [5] image is ok (but wrong), it is marked with an acceptable license, called CC BY-SA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:41, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Eddie Artist 1 That said, is this [6] Mike Reddick on the recht? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that is Mike Reddick on the right. I am puzzled... How can the current photo be "Ok, but wrong"? Anyway, can we replace the current (wrong) image with a cropped version of the photo that you referenced? "That said, is this [6] Mike Reddick on the recht?" Eddie Artist 1 (talk) 20:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Eddie Artist 1, I meant ok in the copyright sense. I'll get the recht image in place, maybe not tonight. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much... Will you be able to crop the landscape photo to better fit the "portrait" format? And out of curiosity, is it possible to get permission from Mike Reddick's former clubs (of 30 years ago) to use the aforementioned photos given to him during his European career? Eddie Artist 1 (talk) 20:36, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Eddie Artist 1, new image is up at Mike Reddick. And Aleksandar Đorđević. I cropped it, but not all of it, I thought the "duel" looked pretty good.

Well, you can try. I know of a lady who had an image from 1990 she wanted to put in a WP-article, and she hunted down the photographer and persuaded (or maybe paid) him to release it on Commons. It's up to you. The copyright holder has to communicate with the Commons:Volunteer Response Team. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, so much for your assistance! The "duel" is exactly how I would've cropped it. I will seek the other permissions/releases as recommended. Cheers! Eddie Artist 1 (talk) 01:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Glad it worked out! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Accessing ISO 3166-3 code when you know the ISO 3166-2 code

The 3166-3 code should be listed in the country box when you ask for say Sweden. ----MountVic127 (talk) 03:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, what about listing in the country box whether that country regards itself as a ""Motherland" or a "Fatherland"? ----MountVic127 (talk) 03:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

The place for either suggestion, MountVic127, is Template talk:Infobox country. The first suggestion, or something similar to it, has already been made there; you are free to comment on it there. The second suggestion strikes me as too trivial or silly to be worth consideration, but of course you're free to make it. For either suggestion, be sure to provide persuasive reasoning. -- Hoary (talk) 07:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Reviewing my Article

Hey, Can I send my article for review What should I need to improve in my aricle ? Please do check .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:EORTV Dreamzzimages (talk) 07:41, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Dreamzzimages, add summaries, in your own words, of what reliable sources (which of course must be independent of EORTV) have said about EORTV. When you've done plenty of that and are satisfied with the result, click "Resubmit". -- Hoary (talk) 07:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Notability guidelines for products and services.

Dear Teahouse Members,

I need your support to improve this article which has notability issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Data_Recovery

Could you please suggest how can I improve it so that it follow all Wikipedia Guidelines? Thanks Cordless Larry for your suggestion to post here Amitpandeys0281 (talk) 06:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, for example, Amitpandeys0281, you link to this page, which actually seems a decent source. But you hardly use it. It's a review published in 2017, so obviously anything it says is about a five-year-old version of the software; however, you might summarize the more important parts of what it says -- of course making it clear that what you write is about an old version. -- Hoary (talk) 06:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary for your suggestion! I will definitely implement this. Amitpandeys0281 (talk) 06:54, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Dear Hoary I have made some edits as suggested by you could you please check if its fine or not? Amitpandeys0281 (talk) 08:00, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Amitpandeys0281, according to you, the title of this page is "Tested: Stellar Phoenix Macintosh Data Recovery (Old version of the software): when it finally worked the program worked well, so if you have a copy of this software available to you I would still recommend this utility as an option for people to consider." This is not the title. The title is "Tested: Stellar Phoenix Macintosh Data Recovery". (I didn't look at any other title.) The body of the draft says no more than it did a couple of hours ago. -- Hoary (talk) 11:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary I have made the changes again. Could you please check it.

Thanks in advance! Amitpandeys0281 (talk) 09:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

New Editor

Courtesy link: Draft:Jonathan Daniel Ross

Hello here, I am new to Wikipedia and i want to create an article for Jonathan Daniel Ross but at the top of the editing place it says the page has been deleted thrice and i don't know if i can create it or not?

Can anyone help me on how to go about it? Daremize (talk) 10:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Daremize: Generally, there is nothing stopping you from recreating a page as long as you adress the reasons why it was deleted in the first place. Sometimes, when a page is persistently recreated with the same issiues, the title might be protected against recreation, however, this is not the case here. I'll have to warn you, however, sucessfully creating a new article from scratch can be hard, particularely if one tries to do it backwards. Please see Your first article for some guidance. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Daremize: The three Speedy deletions were for different reasons (copyright, blocked account, promotional/advertising), so topic has not been 'salted' (meaning Administrator approval needed to try again). Just don't make the same mistakes. The key question is what makes him notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word? Are there reliable-source published articles about him? Unless he is playing basketball at NBA, there should be no mention of basketball other than in an "Early life and education" section that he played at high school and college. That will need a reference, but will not contribute to establishing notability. Be aware that social media, IMBd, interviews, blogs, his website, etc. are not valid refs. All-in-all, this feels like WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Arrow formatting

Hullo. Say I want to demonstrate a sequence of words that connect to each other, for example a quine. The Ouroboros programs section lists multiple examples of quines spanning multiple languages, like Python → Bash → Perl. My question is, is this the general way to format lists connected by arrows? Are there other ways or is there a consistent styling? Would this → this be better, or would this → this be better? Or is there generally no set style? - Cheers, KoolKidz112 (hit me up) 12:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@KoolKidz112 The nearest advice I could find was for chemistry articles, where MOS:CHEM uses simple arrows of the type → for reactions that can be shown in text. That sort of arrow seems fine for your purpose also. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:03, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! - Cheers, KoolKidz112 (hit me up) 14:04, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Is this how the hover preview is supposed to work?

While looking at articles for deletion, I noticed that E. E. Cleveland is on the list. I hovered over the name at the log, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2023_March_15, and as usual my browser popped up a little mini-window containing the first few lines of text and a photo, as a preview of what the article is about. The photo was of a couple obviously taken a long while ago, so I was surprised to find that Cleveland and his wife died relatively recently. The explanation is simple: the photo is of James and Ellen White, and whatever thing makes the preview has lifted it from a template box on Cleveland's page identifying him as a seventh-day adventist, the picture merely illustrating that the article is part of a series on that church. Clearly the photo shouldn't have been lifted and used in the preview because it's a general image that's only tenuously linked to the subject of the article, and it misleads the reader. Is the preview provided by the Wikipedia system? Is it just lifting the first photo it finds in an article? Wouldn't it be better if it excluded images derived from templates, and stuck to images derived from the article itself? Or have I missed something? Elemimele (talk) 17:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Elemimele, the hover preview is created by something that picks the first image from the article. In this case, the picture is relevant to the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and was taken in 1864. The code that chooses the picture should be rewritten to avoid pictures from inside templates - I've no idea how (or by whom) that might be achieved. Maproom (talk) 17:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Elemimele: See mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice. It prefers the first image if it has a suitable size but other lead images are possible. Infoboxes are templates and we don't want to exclude all infobox images. In theory the feature could examine whether the file name is present in the source even if it doesn't have image syntax in the source (infoboxes often have an image parameter with the raw file name), but the current feature doesn't even look at the source. It works on the final expanded wikitext after all templates have been evaluated. I have added |class=notpageimage to the image.[7] This removed it as page image after a delay. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:11, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Maproom:, @PrimeHunter: it's really useful to know what's going on behind the scenes, thanks! I shall make sure that any article I work on has an image the extension can pick up, placed higher in the article, if there are templates with images, and I'll remember the trick of class=notpageimage as a remedy if it happens. I'd never dared edit a template... always new things to learn. Elemimele (talk) 14:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Sharon Kay Penman?

H 108.3.164.88 (talk) 14:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a question regarding Sharon Kay Penman? Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Creating articles for a semi-experienced editor

Hullo. Apologies for asking another question in such short notice. For some time now I've been intending to create an article for some time now, and I've been looking through articles in the requested articles page that I could give a shot at creating. I've seen the usual lecture on how creating an article is incredibly difficult and I believe that seeing as I've been a part of this website for years now and made 300 edits I might be a tad bit more capable of something like this, if nothing else. Obviously my first question is, should I start small first? I'm thinking of expanding stub-class articles and adding more information, and I believe it would be better if I did that first, so I oughta. But I also want to know for the near feature, when I do start trying to create my first article, are there any good pointers for someone like me who has knowledge of the website to write an entire article, maybe factoring in the fact that I usually work with copyediting?

Main question: if I want to create an article from a programming language, what sort of notability guidelines would it have to meet? I assume it is inherently bound by WP:GNG but are there other things to consider with this field? How does one... find sources? Any help is appreciated. I apologise if this is a large set of questions to ask. - Cheers, KoolKidz112 (hit me up) 15:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

KoolKidz112: creating an article is only "incredibly difficult" if you do it backwards. Unfortunately, most editors (including me) do create their first article backwards. If you decide to pick a subject from WP:AFC, choose one which already lists a few good sources. Maproom (talk) 17:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Alright, I've taken some time to work on a barely-finished stub-ish draft in my sandbox. I'm currently trying to not write it backwards, working with the citations I was able to find online from searching and taking information from there. I have a few questions though, besides the usual "can you provide feedback on it?" question.

If I wanted to use a screenshot of the main page on the article, how would I go about taking it? I understand that it'd likely be as simple as taking a capture of the index page, but my concern is a) uploading to Wikimedia Commons and, most importantly, b) what sort of copyright it would fall under. How would I go about this?
The second reference is one I'm slightly vexed about. It's a primary source, I would venture to guess, taken from the Gitbook-based documentation of the website. How would I format the citation for this? Is this a reliable source in the first place?
What's the bare minimum for an article before it's considered for creation? Can it be accepted as a stub? Of course, I'll try to do as much as I can, but information on this website is proving to be relatively scarce besides the two news articles provided for it and the website itself. Which brings me to my fourth question, which slightly terrifies me...
...Is it notable? Can it be considered as such? Also,
am I able to put categories on the sandbox article at this moment or should I wait until it's in the Draft namespace or Article namespace?

I hope this isn't too much to ask. I'm still far from knowing everything about Wikipedia... seeing as I'm a copyeditor. - Cheers, KoolKidz112 (hit me up) 20:31, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, KoolKidz112. To answer some of ost certainly be copyright, and could not be uploaded to Commons, It is possible that it could be uploaded to Wikipedia itself, and used as non-free material, but it would need to meet all the conditions in WP:NFCC, one of which is that it is used in at least one article: it cannot be used in draft. You would need to justify its relevance to the article.

. As long as they are actually published, and are clearly published by the subject, WP:ABOUTSELF sources are generally taken as reliable. Of course they can only be used within the limits of ABOUTSELF. Cite it with {{cite web}}.
. Stubs are from the history of Wikipedia, when it was of value to get a lot of articles in quickly. They rarely get expanded into articles. In my view, and the view of many editors, there is no place for new stubs today: if it's worth creating an article it's worth creating it. What's much more important is whether there is actually enough reliable independent information available: if not, the subject is not notable, and all effort spent on it, by the writer, reviewers, and anybody else, is effort wasted.
. See my previous answer. Writing so much as a single word of a draft before having found sources to establish notability is like painting the windows of a house before surveying the site to see if it is suitable to build on. See also WP:TOOSOON.
. You should not put a draft into categories, but if you wrap the category wikilinks in {{Draft categories}} it will handle that for you.

ColinFine (talk) 15:35, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Updating of Box office number of RRR movie

At present as per Wiki, it is showing BO: 1,200−1,258 crore. The movie was released in Japan and it has added 80+ crores (RRR is still running in theaters). So BO need to be updated as 1,280 −1,338 crore (Adding 80 crores to current BO).

Article is RRR (film)

https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/telugu-cinema/rrr-sets-new-record-in-japan-grosses-over-80-crore-as-it-enters-20th-week-of-theatrical-run-101678962257074.html 49.204.137.242 (talk) 16:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! The best place to suggest an improvement to a specific article is to post on the article's talk page. In this case, that would be Talk:RRR (film). Thanks for your interest in improving Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 16:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. "Adding 80 crores to current BO" is not how we do things in Wikipedia: that would be synthesis. The article should report the total that a reliable source claims, and should only update it when a reliable source published a new total. ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

April Fools

Hey, I have created a fake page that I have prepared for April Fools, but I don't know if you can create fake pages on April Fools. Can you do that? I've checked WP:Rules for Fools but I don't see anything related. I've added Template:Humour on my page.LeGoldenBoots (talk) 12:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

No, you cannot. User:LeGoldenBoots/The Gunner and Kawizee Show can be deleted. -- Hoary (talk) 12:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I remember that some years ago the English Wikipedia's front page for 1 April carried several stories, including a featured article, that seemed to be obvious April Fool hoaxes. But in fact they all turned out to be true. I wish I could remember the details. The only one I recall was about the Union army in the American Civil War using cameras mounted on pigeons to spy on the enemy. (Or was it the Spanish Civil War?) Does anyone else know anything about this?Mike Marchmont (talk) 13:01, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I seem to remember that was one: Wife selling (English custom). Lectonar (talk) 13:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mike Marchmont: Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

While the article might be real, the brief synopsis of the article is usually a joke (for example, I recall once Groundhog Day (film) was the April Fools FA repeated the first few sentences multiple times, as a joke based on the film's plot) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

This is a thing we used to do every year that has (sadly, in my opinion) been relegated to the "Did You Know" section with only occasional participation from the rest of the Main Page. I think it's quite unfortunate. casualdejekyll 13:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

In contrast, I feel we have a duty as a serious encyclopaedia not to mess about in a childish manner here. We discourage new editors doing it all the rest of the time, so why do it ourselves on 01/04. It sets a bad example. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:26, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Jan 4th? (Kidding... I know you are using Euro-standard....) - UtherSRG (talk) 17:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I've deleted it as WP:CSD#G3. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, to answer your question, no you cannot, Wikipedia Policies and Guidelines apply pretty much all the time and April fools Day isn't an exception. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 18:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Power-Up_version_history

How do I add the following as a source to this page?

https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/threads/power-up-4-2-1-ota-software-update-installed-today.16496/ Rugedraw (talk) 18:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Rugedraw. That website consists of user contributed content, so it is not a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 18:56, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

That article is just full of unreliable sourcing, mostly just forums. I wonder if it actually is notable. Drmies PRODed it in October 2022 and the PROD was removed because "The sources on this page are properly cited to a sufficient degree." ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:01, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Rugedraw Forums contain user generated content which is unable to be verified, use WP:RS for more information on finding reliable sources. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 19:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I've nominated the article for deletion since I'm not seeing anything to indicate notability. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

For the sake of updating the wiki page in question, the source I referenced is merely is to show that an update was indeed released and can be added to the table based on various people confirming they received said update. What if I am the source? I have access to Ford's Professional Technician System, I can verify the info posted on the thread. However, the content I posted was deemed as possible copyright infringement and removed because it came directly from Ford. While it is user generated content, there is content there to verify the update exists and has been rolled out to several people and continues to be rolled out. Pardon my ignorance, but this is all very new to me and I am just trying to do things the right way. Rugedraw (talk) 19:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

You are not a source. You are what's known as original research. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

So a Ford employee with access to Ford's technician website to verify Ford related updates is not considered a reliable source for a wiki page exclusively dedicated to Ford updates? Seems like I have a lot to learn. What if I cite the Ford website itself as the source and not "me"? Without a user name and password, however, anyone that tries to verify the source would hit a dead end, so I doubt that would be acceptable.

I now see the page in question has been flagged for possible deletion and it is most likely due to me trying to update it without knowing what I am doing. Rugedraw (talk) 20:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

The policy is verifiability, Rugedraw. A reader in Manchester next week, or Milwaukee next month, or Mumbai next year, needs to be able to verify it (for example, to check that it hasn't been altered by a vandal), otherwise it doesn't belong in the encyclopaedia. ColinFine (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hmm. That makes sense. I just can't think of a way to properly source it as the updates are being released unsystematically and the only "proof" is a notification in our Ford app that an update was installed in said vehicle. The reason the Power Up update wiki page was started was for owners of relevant vehicles to have a way to keep track of this new over the air update system since Ford themselves do not provide a timeline for them for owners. The page has been maintained by member of online communities who are savvy on the issue. Some are Ford employees, technicians and even software engineers. I feel like by trying to do the right thing, I have stirred a hornets nest (so to speak) where now a valuable tool that we use help new owners understand the OTA process may possibly be deleted. As the old saying goes: No good deed goes unpunished. Rugedraw (talk) 20:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rugedraw, I'm afraid you've been using Wikipedia for something which is outside its intended purpose. The best thing to do would be to place this information on another, more appropriate website, like a blog or a forum (and you should probably save it to a computer or similar device now, before the article is potentially deleted). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:56, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rugedraw: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1183. You are essentially drawing from a primary source, which can only be used in specific cases. Primary sources don't contribute to a subject's notability (as Wikipedia defines it), which is why articles should cite secondary sources at the very least. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Info-Box Politics of Hesse

Hi, dear fellow-wikipedians. I'm currently translating the German text on the Hessische Staatskanzlei for the English site (as was wished for)...and i saw a nice info-box on the page Politics of Hesse - how does one adapt this info-box for the Hessische Staatskanzlei? Could someone help me with transferringand updating it so that it fits for the Staatskanzlei? Kind regards, Naomi Hennig (talk) 14:04, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Since it's only an infobox, were I you, I'd go and copy the infobox from Bavaria or some similar article with similar-appearing layout, from the English wikipedia, and populate it with the information appropriate to Hesse. At least there will be consistency of appearance across the English WP, and you know all the parameters work! Elemimele (talk) 14:16, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Elemimele, i can do a lot, but these info-boxes are shere horror to me, i just cannot get my head around it. That's why i sought for help here. I translated the whole article, did find good references, i could add this to the page, but i'm "mentally unable" to get such an info-box together. My apologies. Kind regards, --Naomi Hennig (talk) 15:10, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Naomi Hennig I'd be inclined to use {{Infobox building}} for that article, if it is describing the building, not specifically the politics of Germany. However, looking at your new draft at User:Naomi Hennig/Hessische Staatskanzlei I'm not sure whether your aim is to describe the building or to describe the role of the State Chancellery (i.e. a group of people who happen to work in that building). If the former, then I don't think the wording in the Tasks section is appropriate since I don't see how a building can "assist the Prime Minister...." You might even need two articles. Anyway, don't worry about the infobox at present, I'll be happy to help set up something appropriate if you contact me on my Talk Page once your draft(s) are ready. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I'll gladly contact you on your Talk Page! Kind regards, --Naomi Hennig (talk) 21:32, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

How does a reference work?

I don't know what to do. I have to link it to a website besides Wikipedia? I also don't know how to put a reference into an article. A colorful girl (talk) 18:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, A colorful girl. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 18:19, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay. A colorful girl (talk) 18:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

A colorful girl Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. We usually recommend that users first spend time editing existing articles to gain experience. Using the new user tutorial is a good thing as well.

Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. You may learn about creating references at Referencing for beginners. What sources do you have for your draft? 331dot (talk) 18:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I didn't have any sources. I just think I shouldn't work on an article when I just joined yesterday. A colorful girl (talk) 18:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

A colorful girl If a topic does not receive coverage in reliable sources, it would not merit a Wikipedia article. I would suggest you use the tutorial if you haven't yet, and spend some time doing smaller edits, working your way up to writing a new article. This way you will gain experience and knowledge. 331dot (talk) 18:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@A colorful girl: Every time I have written an article on Wikipedia about a topic that caught my attention, the first thing I do is try to find reliable sources about that topic. The sources must comply with the criteria in WP:Golden rule. If I can't find at least two or three such sources, I move on. I never try to write the article first and add sources later. As a result, some of my articles are really short even though they are notable topics (for example Sayyid Baraka and The Train Is Coming) and some have so many sources that I can write a long article (like funding bias and Red Deer Cave people). The point is, start with the sources. If you can't find any, then find a different topic to write about. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay. A colorful girl (talk) 14:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Sock blocked. Also editing as 80AaronHunter80 in a separate thread below. -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Transcribed pages interwiki link/notice

Can someone show me an example or two of pages that exist both here and on another language's Wikipedia, and how the link or statement that "this page has been transcribed from [other] Wikipedia" or "this page is also on [other] Wikipedia" is done? I found a new article that was clearly transcribed from another language's Wikipedia, and doesn't make any note of the other page's existence. I'm not finding the Help/Howto page for this. Thank you. Zinnober9 (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Zinnober9, and welcome to the Teahouse. The "Howto" is at Translation, and says that attribution in an edit summary is adequate: if you look at the history of the articles in question, you should find the attribution there, in the summary of the edit that created or introduced the translated material. ColinFine (talk) 20:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, but I don't think Translation is what I'm looking for. Hafiz Indonesia has already been translated, and reads fine. Needs a little work on the tables and needs some red links addressed, but these are not (directly) a translation issue. What I'm looking to do is add the "this page came from/also exists on the Indonesian Wikipedia" link, and I don't remember where that goes or what that looks like. There is nothing in the page history linking the two. Zinnober9 (talk) 22:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Zinnober9, are you thinking of {{Translated page}} (which is mentioned at Help:Translation#License requirements)? There should have been an attribution statement in the first edit summary, when the article was created, but the creator neglected to include one. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:52, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes! That is what I am seeking. Thank you! Zinnober9 (talk) 00:11, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Template editing

I should know this as a host, but what are the rules for Template editing, I was going to do a rework of the Akkar District template, but I wanted to make sure I wasnt violating any rules. You can my edits in my sandbox. PalauanReich (talk) 00:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Editing an S rated article

For my class project, I have to edit an S rated article..I have thought that Below Deck (TV series) and Intervention (TV series) were good ones but finding more sources on them is challenging and then knowing what additions would be appropriate and needed is difficult. I would love some guidance, thank you.Phoenix3305 (talk) 00:41, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, if you wanted to edit Below Deck, but I updated it to C. The start rating was assessed in 2013. There are many start articles that have many needed additions. You can use this website to find the Top important articles in a wikiproject that are start class. Add the name of the project and you'll see which articles are important but start class. PalauanReich (talk) 00:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Article Submission

Hello,

I have submitted an article and provided enough references but it is getting declined. I need more help to understand how exactly do I need to improve it for acceptance.

Thank you Sarj82 (talk) 19:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Sajid 'Sarj' Masood. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sarj82, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's not the number of references: it's their quality. Most references (and all those which are to support a claim of notability) must be independent of the subject: interviews, articles based on press releases, and the subjects own works, are useless as references. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 20:56, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

The references belong in the text, following the content being verified. The software automatically puts a superscript number there and puts the ref under References. David notMD (talk) 04:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Email question

Hello. I enabled email on my account, and I'm asking if I would receive a talk page notification if somebody sends me an email. Iamreallygoodatcheckers^talk 05:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Iamreallygoodatcheckers: You won't automatically recive a talkpage notification, however, some people might chose to explicitely leave something like the You've got mail template on other people's talkpages when sending them an email, in particular when there is reason to believe the email gets send to a normally unwatched inbox. Also, depending on your preferences at Special:Preferences -> Notifications -> Notify me about these events you might get a notification via the onwiki notification system. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:28, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Iamreallygoodatcheckers^talk 04:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

How to demerge the article?

Hi, I have previously created a article and it was merged into another article citing that the content in the newly created article is very small. Now I have expanded the section and now how do I demerge the article? Do I do it like the way normally a article is demerged with discussion template or straight request to the reviewer who demerged it? 456legend(talk) 04:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

You should at least tell us the title of the article. Ruslik_Zero 06:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 456legend. As far as I know, there is no "demerge" procedure per se. But Wikipedia:Splitting may be what you are looking for. Cullen328 (talk) 07:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding a New Page

Hello, I wanted to add my Companies Name on Wiki, we are a Startup and we are Gonna Complete 6 years however when Searching for us, Other Results Come up by Wiki as there is no Page for us, THat is why i wanted to add our Page. Can anyone help? 219.91.175.35 (talk) 09:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have some misunderstandings about what Wikipedia is and what we do here. Wikipedia has articles, not pages. Wikipedia is not a database of companies where existence warrants a mention, and Wikipedia is not concerned with search results for a topic. This is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, called "notability"- such as the definition of a notable company. Not every company merits a Wikipedia article- especially "startups" which almost never do. A company must be established and recognized in its field as significant or influential by independent reliable sources, showing how it is notable, in order to merit an article. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Edits Removed Due to (Incorrect) Copyright Judgement

Article: U-Con

There was no copywritten material on this site. Worse, there was a list of historical guests going all the way back to 1989 and that was deleted after I updated it. The page had been updated every year and sat in its current state since 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=U-Con&oldid=1114327599

I simply added the guests from 2019, and now all the guests are gone. This makes no sense. And my edit is blocked, so I can't revert. How do I appeal this and avoid it from happening in the future? Intrepidgm (talk) 01:33, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Intrepidgm. According to the editors involved in removing the content, it was a copyright violation of this website. The article contained vast swathes of unreferenced content, in violation of the core content policy Verifiability. What the conference itself says about its guests is inappropriate for inclusion in a neutral encyclopedia article. If reliable sources independent of the conference discuss these guests, then that can be included, as long as it is referenced properly. Cullen328 (talk) 01:47, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay. I represent the con. What we need then on that page is something that clarifies that the guest list is not copyrighted. Would that be sufficient?

It is just a list of guests that attended and lists their works. I doubt that U-Con could actually copyright that, hence the confusion. But if there were clarifying language that the guest information was not Copyrighted by U-Con then we could update the Wikipedia article? Intrepidgm (talk) 23:07, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@Intrepidgm: if you "represent the [conference]", then please read WP:PAID and make the mandatory disclosure on your userpage before editing Wikipedia any further.

A mere list of guests is indeed likely not copyrighted. (Simple facts cannot be copyrighted, and there are not that many ways to write a list of guests, so a list writing lacks the originality component of copyright.)

However, what the conference website says about the guests is almost certainly copyrighted. Even a standard, CV-like presentation of one’s career is susceptible of many changes in presentation.

Similarly to Cullen328, I doubt that material is worth including in Wikipedia anyway. However, if you want text from the conference website to be usable on Wikipedia, "not copyrighted" will not cut it. "Page text available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License" will. Please note that this means anyone, not just Wikipedia, can reuse that text - Wikipedia does not accept licenses "for Wikipedia use only". For more details, see User:Tigraan/Wikipedia_copyright_inquiries. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that clarification. U-Con is a non-profit organization, and even its board members are not paid. In that context, the contributions I've made, reflecting over 30 years of a community group's history, are not paid for in any way, so I don't see how WP:PAID applies here.

I'm trying to determine how we can publicly record the history of this convention and organization, with no commercial PAID incentive of any kind. We can certainly list the authors we have invited, but again I struggle to understand how listing their published works as authors somehow violates copyright restrictions. We can certainly comply with a list of just names, but that seems unnecessarily restrictive and not reflective of "creating a list based on facts" such as published works. Intrepidgm (talk) 19:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Intrepidgm, I'm afraid you don't quite understand what a Wikipedia article should be based on. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

Many articles have been added over the years which don't meet current sourcing standards; if they go unnoticed, they survive, but once they're put under the spotlight for some reason, they often end up deleted. Has there been any independent coverage of this convention in reliable sources? Perhaps older newspapers? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@Intrepidgm Paid says that interns are included in the "paid" category, which is interpreted to include unpaid interns (interns are gaining experience). I wish that that policy page explicitly mentioned those who volunteer for a nonprofit, or are serving on nonprofit boards, but it doesn't, as far as I can tell. Can anyone else clarify the "paid" status of such volunteers? David10244 (talk) 08:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328, David notMD, or Tigraan -- I predict that you all know the answer to the above.... and if volunteer status is documented anywhere. Thanks. David10244 (talk) 08:58, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

The paid-editing policy is unclear about such side cases.

The criterion I tell people to use is "if you are at work, and your boss sees you edit Wikipedia, do they think you’re slacking?". That does cover non-paid work such as that of an intern, and it clarifies whether an employee that was not specifically instructed to edit Wikipedia is doing it as part of their work duties. However, it only works for people who have a clear boss exercising control; when it comes to NGO without a strong hierarchical structure, it becomes fuzzy.

I, for one, am not very worried about chasing the exact details here. Intrepidgm has been open with their exact situation from the get-go. If any admin wants to block them for undisclosed paid editing without warning first, they are out of their mind. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tigraan Thanks for that info. I kind of suspected what you said, whether for NGOs, or for the volunteers of any nonprofit. Nonprofits can, of course, have paid employees, and the policy would apply to them. David10244 (talk) 10:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Under unintended consequences, U-Con now nominated for deletion. David notMD (talk) 14:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I am trying to make a constructive addition to the page "Blonde stereotype" in defence of Hollywood dumb stereotype acresses that can be misunderstood and confused with dumb blondines.

I am trying to make a constructive addition to the page "Blonde stereotype" in defence of Hollywood dumb stereotype peroxided acresses that can be misunderstood and confused with dumb blondines. How should I write to get the message through on the page without getting it undone and reverted? Any suggestions of phrasing and wordings? Blonde_stereotype PoeticReturn (talk) 19:01, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@PoeticReturn, a WP-article, on any subject, is supposed to be a summary of WP:RS about that subject. Nothing indicates that [8] is a WP:RS. So, first of all, get good sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't get all of the Wikipedia:Rs . The first source [9] should be easy to verify, it has clickable reference links for each person listed. Is that not enough? What should it have more? PoeticReturn (talk) 19:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

That source is an anonymous WP:SPS list with links to photos. It's good for nothing in WP-land. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Can this work? More sources to address "poorly sourced". What was wrong with the first source?

How do I fix "Inappropriate content"? Whats inappropriate with the content?

"==In defence of Hollywood actresses promoting the dumb blond stereotype==

There are many examples of peroxided dumb blond stereotype actresses that are in fact not really natural blondes^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]" PoeticReturn (talk) 19:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Poetic Return, and welcome to the Teahouse. You don't seem to have grasped what Wikipedia is: it is an encyclopaedia, which means that it summarizes what published reliable sources say on a matter. No Wikipedia article should ever present an argument or a conclusion, still less a defence of anything (see WP:RGW) or an attack on anything, in Wikipedia's voice. If you can find a reliable source which discusses the argument that you want to present, then you may summarize that argument, but you may not present any argument of your own devising. ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I am still not sure to have grasped it all. How do you as editor defend a page such as for example Blonde stereotype from being Wikipedia:OR? PoeticReturn (talk) 22:42, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

There are reliable, independent sources, such as academic papers or news articles, that have discussed the blonde stereotype. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:25, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you write about the academic and independent source status? For example:

"There is no apropriate reliable source discussing the subject of peroxided actresses versus the stereotype on the topic of if the actresses are dumb or not.

On the other hand are there no apropriate independant reliable sources of any well known celebrated natural blond Hollywood star being dumb.

There is also no apropriate reliable sources discussing if peroxided woman on the street in general are more dumb or not." PoeticReturn (talk) 00:31, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Or: can you write: "There is no apropriate reliable sources discussing any correlation between peroxiding hair and being dumb or not, or in what direction the correlation would go in, if dumb people more often peroxide or if peroxide makes people dumb." PoeticReturn (talk) 00:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

It's spelt "appropriate", with one more "p". I note that your other contributions here have been to create Draft:Negro jokes and Draft:Jew jokes, both of which suggest that Draft:Gay jokes is in the works. You're free to waste your own time; but please do so in some message forum somewhere, or in your own blog, not here. -- Hoary (talk) 02:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@PoeticReturn:, if you take a glance at the references of the article blonde stereotype, it includes the research paper Are Blondes Really Dumb?, Jay L Zagorsky, Economics Bulletin 2016 (short answer: no). Now you, as a person, might question the statistics and so on (for instance, the abstract says that blondes are marginally smarter, but looking at the stats the difference is not statistically significant), but as a Wikipedia editor that’s decent enough to be able to say in Wikivoice that the stereotype is not borne out by data.

Yes, that source does not differentiate between natural and peroxided blondes. However, from my experience, the blonde stereotype rarely if ever comes up with such a differentiation. (If it does, is there a source discussing it?) There is probably no research on that difference, but you should generally not write negative statements such as "there are no reliable sources on the topic of X". Such statements might become outdated, and the choice of such statements can be oriented (for instance: "there are no reliable sources denying that PoeticReturn is a child molester"). Those are, in fact, the product of your own original research, even if that research was confined to a bibliographic search. Such negative statements should only appear in the article if cited to a reliable source. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

References

My Page has no published.

My Page has no published yet. It is being pending Since 2017. Binder Pal Fateh (talk) 11:41, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Binder Pal Fateh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You had never submitted it for a review, you attempted to move it to the encyclopedia yourself, but this was done improperly so I moved it back. I've added the information to allow you to submit it, but you misunderstand some thing here. Wikipedia is not a place where people have "pages" about themselves, or for people to tell the world about themselves. That's what social media is for. This is an encyclopedia with articles that has criteria for inclusion, called notability, and we are interested in what independent reliable sources choose to say about you, not what you say about yourself. Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 12:07, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Seeking additional eyes on my article

Hi! I added lengthy contributions to the banking lobby wiki article, and I would appreciate some feedback. :) Thank you! Peanutbutterisbad (talk) 21:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I see that some experienced editors are making tweaks to the article but you had already done an admirable job. I particularly like how you have given global coverage, which is something that many Wikipedia articles in English fail to do. Given the current turmoil caused by Silicon Valley Bank, your update is timely. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:26, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Spotify imagery

Is an image from Spotify allowed in a wikipedia article.About the spotify song. Is it allowed BringmeFacebooksbold (talk) 08:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Illustrating an article about an individual song, album, book, or show, is one of the common ways in which non-free media are used (see WP:NFCI). But the uploader is responsible for making sure that all the conditions in the non-free content criteria are met. ColinFine (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Article rejected

I have posted article which is notable locally but you have rejected 1.38.93.210 (talk) 02:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Well then, if you have a question about the rejection, please specify the "article" (draft?) and ask the question. -- Hoary (talk) 02:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

And clarify if you mean a draft was Rejected, or as a draft or article, it was Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 04:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

There is no such thing as notable locally. A topic is either notable on this worldwide project, or it is not notable. Cullen328 (talk) 06:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Note that the notability requirements on the English Wikipedia may be different than those on other language Wikipedias. GoingBatty (talk) 13:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

...or just merely declined. Being declined means one may re-submit the draft after improving it, rejected means one may no longer submit the draft at all and is usually given if someone keeps submitting the draft and it keeps failing with no substantial improvements. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 07:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I submitted a move request 7 days ago and no one responded.

Now what? I submitted State of Palestine Government of April 2019 and Second Hamdallah Government for moving to more appropriate titles, but I got exactly 0 responses on either of them. What should I do now? I obviously can't close the request myself. 〜Festucalex • talk • contribs 12:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Festucalex Hello and welcome. You may go to Requested Moves and request that the move be carried out, noting that you have had a discussion open without comment. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

How exactly do I request that? 〜Festucalex • talk • contribs 13:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Festucalex Actually I got my lines crossed there, apologies. Since no one has commented, you can carry out the move yourself since it appears you don't need anything deleted. If not, or you don't feel comfortable doing it, you can make an admin help request with {{admin help}} on the talk page. 331dot (talk) 14:07, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Wait, I'm allowed to move it myself? I thought involved parties weren't allowed to close the move request. 〜Festucalex • talk • contribs 14:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

That would only be if it was disputed. No one has commented, so there is no dispute. If someone objects later, they will comment. 331dot (talk) 14:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

If it were me I might make an admin help request, since it involves a contentious topic(Israel/Palestinian conflict), 331dot (talk) 14:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Hah, I saw your second reply too late. Already moved them. In any case, the move doesn't deal with anything controversial. Believe me, I'd know what's controversial here, I'm Palestinian. I avoid all controversy on this topic in order to fully abide with WP:NPOV. 〜Festucalex • talk • contribs 15:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Megalonix: Male-vs-female

How to tell the difference between a male-vs-female megalonix sloth looking at bones 2601:601:1101:26E0:E06C:DE9B:54D0:3C38 (talk) 17:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. If Megalonyx or its references don't have the information you're looking for, the folks over at RD/S might be able to give you an answer. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Refrences

I think i know how to make a refrence but, i don't know when and what reference it should be. Can someone please explain what kind of reference I should use? I'm working on this page. 80AaronHunter80 (talk) 18:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) As per the decline explanation:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are: in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject) reliable secondary independent of the subject Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Also check out WP:RS and WP:CITE for more information about sources. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 18:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

80AaronHunter80 now indef blocked as sock. David notMD (talk) 17:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Any suggestions to improve this article

Any suggestions to improve Draft:Track and field in the United States ? Dwanyewest (talk) 17:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dwanyewest In the UK, we would call this athletics in general and for the more limited set of events (running, jumping and throwing) there is already an extensive article at Track and field. Your draft looks like a WP:SPLIT from the latter but I'm not convinced that's needed. Perhaps you should take this up with the relevant Project, namely WP:WikiProject Athletics Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:11, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

deleted page

my page was deleted DJ ARBRI (talk) 18:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@DJ ARBRI Yes, indeed. The reason is explained on your Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:19, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

what can i do now? is there any way that i can edit the biography ? DJ ARBRI (talk) 18:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

can i create another account? DJ ARBRI (talk) 18:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@DJ ARBRI, let me try to clear up some confusion. You have an account and it is not blocked. Please do not create another one (we have somewhat complicated rules about that). Your account's user page is at User:DJ ARBRI. A user page is a place to tell folks a little about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. It is not a place to write an article about yourself or to advertise your outside activities.

Wikipedia hosts a collection of articles about notable subjects; if you, one day, become notable for some reason, and journalists and the like begin writing articles about you, then an article about you here on Wikipedia may be warranted, preferably written by a complete stranger and based on what has been published about you in reliable sources. I'd recommend concentrating on your career until then and not worrying about Wikipedia much. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the OP is now blocked indeed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Brackets inside of parenthesis

Hello,

How do I fix this without the spaces:

(Miss Universe 1987)

Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 20:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@KatoKungLee: (Miss Universe 1987) works just fine in you want the link inside the parens. What do you want the result to be? RudolfRed (talk) 21:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed - Okay, nevermind. I must have screwed up when I had tried it. Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 21:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)s.

Draft question

If my article is on draft am I allowed to move it as article? JamalYahiu (talk) 21:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@JamalYahiu, welcome back. In this case, your articles were moved back to draft by an administrator who told you on your talk page (here) that they were not ready to become articles because they lack sources which meet our requirements, and that you must add such sources before moving them back. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

You are allowed to, but unless you have extensive experience with creating articles, it's a good idea to submit it for a review via Articles for creation, I've added the information to allow you to. However, your draft would not be accepted, as it is only sourced to the organization website. An article must summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. 331dot (talk) 21:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@JamalYahiu: You may, but you'll want to address the concerns noted at User_talk:JamalYahiu#Your_articles first. Read WP:YFA for some guidance on how to create articles and WP:REFB is a good resource for learning how to use and cite references. RudolfRed (talk) 21:31, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

How to find the ref list for an entry

I want to edit the references for an entry. I can't find that reference, but there is something called [ref list]. Where can I see this? Bh5unhedu (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bh5unhedu, welcome back. You asked the same question a week or so ago - it is archived here. To repeat what 331dot said, The reflist merely compiles the references in the article. You have to locate the reference in the article itself, this can usually be done by clicking either the arrow or letters that precede the actual reference. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

By "edit the references" do you mean you want to edit existing references or add/remove references? David notMD (talk) 18:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I will try this. Bh5unhedu (talk) 21:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Minimum of References

Hello!Is there a minimum of References ? Like a number so an article can be published? JamalYahiu (talk) 20:13, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

JamalYahiu Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is not a specific number, it often depends on how good the sources are, but there must be sufficient sources to demonstrate notability. If you are submitting a draft via Articles for Creation, most reviewers look for at least three sources which usually provides sufficient information to summarize in an article and demonstrate notability. 331dot (talk) 20:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

To add to what 331dot says: most reviewers look for at least three high quality sources. Inexperienced editors often bulk their drafts up with lots of low-quality sources. But thirty three poor sources do not add up to even one good source, and make the draft less attractive to a reviewer, as they can see that they will need to wade through a load of useless references hoping to find a good one. Please see Citation overkill, and BACKWARD. ColinFine (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism, adding same content repeteadly without references

I came across Societat Civil Catalana article and found that user @Mariano211 edited the content by adding unreferenced text. I think the proper term for that kind of edit is vandalism. I reverted his edits but the user added again the exact same thing. I added a section in the discussion of the article to alert of the bandalism of that user. Can be something done to stop that user from damaging the article more than it already is and leave it as it was before his edits? 95.17.250.138 (talk) 13:20, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Vandalism may be reported to WP:AIV; edit warring may be reported to WP:ANEW. 331dot (talk) 13:28, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I reported the vandalism but it was declined because the user has not been warned. Unless some admin decides to step in and warn him, his removal of content and non referenced additions will prevail. 95.17.250.138 (talk) 14:13, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. You may not be aware that WP:VANDALISM has a very limited meaning within Wikipedia editing and adding unreferenced text which may be true but is unverified is not one of its characteristics: it is only vandalism if the editor makes changes which they know will damage the encyclopaedia. It seems you have a content dispute with Mariano211, a new editor who may not be aware of all our policies, one of which is to assume good faith. You should not edit war but seek consensus for what the article should contain at its Talk Page. Meanwhile, instead of reverting that particular addition, you could add a {{cn}} tag to show that it requires a citation, which Mariano211 may be able to provide: and of course if they cannot, is justification for the removal. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, I think that replacing content with non referenced text supporting the thesis of the political group which the article is devoted to damages the encyclopedia. It's difficult to seek consensus when the user keeps pushing his edit. 95.17.250.138 (talk) 15:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

this is not vandalism at all: I quoted a meeting of the European Parliament when the issue was discussed. Perhaps you do not like that meeting, but its existence is something totally objective Mariano211 (talk) 17:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

UPDATE: IP 95.17.250.138 and Mariano211 are having a discussion on the Talk page of the article. M has started the process of supporting intended changes with reference(s). David notMD (talk) 19:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

NOTE CONTINUATION by IP editor at ~~WP:Teahouse#Protection of a page~~ #Protection of a page Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Conflict of interest statement?

Hello, your guidance please. I am employed by a university to support a large scientific research network whose work is coming to a close after seven years. As this is publicly-funded research, I am trying to make sure the findings of the investigations are reflected in the topics covered by Wikipedia, and added to the encyclopedia if there is no appropriate existing article. To facilitate this, we have carried out a series of webinars to familiarize researchers with Wikipedia editing and are now trying to encourage further engagement with the editing process.

I am also collaborating with others in the programme in drafting articles, some of which are about the programme itself or about people who have been involved in its development. I have drafted a statement about possible conflict of interest / paid contributions and have shared it on my user page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Km4water. Can you tell me if there is anything else I should do to ensure there is no misunderstanding?

Many thanks! Km4water (talk) 21:23, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Km4water. You have made the declaration, thank you. But it sounds as if you are looking at Wikipedia as a place to publish your conclusions. That is not what Wikipedia is for. Even if your results are reliably published, the publication will be a PRIMARY source, and insufficient to ground an article, until there have been further publications, wholly independent of your project and its staff and associates.

You may draft articles about the project and its staff, but remember that each of these articles must meet Wikipedia's criteria, particularly for notability of its subject - which depends crucially on coverage in independent publication (or, for academics, alternatively on being cited in independent publications). You will likely suffer the usual problem for COI editors of wanting to describe what you know, rather than what the sources say.

As for adding the conclusions to existing articles: that is possible, presuming your results have been reliably published; but you should not do it yourself. Adding material (or citations) from your own work is a form of COI, and you should again use the edit request mechanism. ColinFine (talk) 21:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Km4water: A clarification of what ColinFine said from an academically-minded editor... Wikipedia is not a venue to publish primary research. A clinical trial of a new drug, a new commentary on Shakespeare’s writings, a catalogue of objects found in an archeology websites, etc. would not be accepted as articles.

However, many Wikipedia articles closely resemble review articles about their subject. A historical document, its discovery process, its scholarly discussion etc. makes for a fine article. For instance, our article about the donation of Constantine details at length what we know and do not know about the composition of that document, based on existing scholarly literature.

In fact a couple of articles were dual-published as Wikipedia articles and review articles in reputable venues. It is entirely permissible to write a literature review both for Wikipedia and for another journal - but pay attention to disclose that fact to both parties, otherwise whichever gets the text second will accuse you of copyright infringement. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:58, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

... a small addition to this, one which nevertheless matters: (1) if someone does write an academic review article of that sort in Wikipedia, it is fundamentally different to a review published in a journal. It is not owned by the author, and it may continue to evolve. It doesn't remain as a historical record of a named author's overview of the field in March 2023, it is in fact the basis for an ongoing article outlining the subject, which may ultimately end up expressing ideas with which the original author disagrees vehemently (it can do so, if those views gain traction elsewhere). And (2) named authors often write secondary review articles to propose their synthesis of the best way to understand things. Wikipedia does not. You cannot, here, combine your understanding of primary sources to create a review that generates a new and interesting viewpoint. The review must (unfortunately) stick to giving a balanced overview of the primary stuff and reporting what secondary stuff says. So it's quite hard to use Wikipedia to announce the results of an academic study, unless the study has been published "properly" elsewhere. Elemimele (talk) 13:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for these details. The intention is not to publish primary research in Wikipedia but 1) rather to update and add references to existing articles, 2) to provide synthesis of findings, and 3) add articles about notable topics that have not been included in Wikipedia. We are paying close attention to Wikipedia's notability guidelines. A question about "what the sources say": if a scholarly work is cited many times in other scholarly sources, does Wikipedia consider these citations to count for something? Km4water (talk) 15:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it counts for a lot. If someone publishes a piece of primary research, we don't know whether other academics regard this as good, bad, are influenced by it, or whether no one whatsoever has even noticed it. If it gets cited a lot, we have far better grounds to believe that it's a big enough part of the story that it should be used in a Wikipedia article. Some primary research is, after all, a one-off result of an individual academic or group, which never gains wide attention, and no matter how much it deserved attention, Wikipedia isn't the right place to correct that. Be careful about synthesis; you should avoid drawing any conclusion here that requires a logical combination of information from multiple sources unless that combination has already been made by someone else, outside Wikipedia (see WP:SYNTH). Be careful about the extent to which you add references to your own work; see WP:SELFCITE for guidance. Elemimele (talk) 17:12, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks -- this is helpful advice. Km4water (talk) 21:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Km4water, since you ask, it would help if you wrote straightforwardly. Your user page starts: "Hello, I'm a knowledge mobilization specialist [...]. I contribute in English." Pointing out that you contribute in English wouldn't have been necessary if you hadn't just talked mystifyingly of "knowledge mobilization" (which is absent from my own lect of English and, I suspect, from many other lects). As I continue to read, I vaguely infer that the term means PR -- which itself may have started as a windy euphemism but is now widely understood. Wording aside, you say you're "exposing researchers – in particular, Highly Qualified Personnel – to collaboratively sharing and improving the expression of knowledge through training and edit-a-thon activity". I hope that you've told them (i) to announce their own conflicts of interest, and (ii) not to cite their original research. -- Hoary (talk) 22:27, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Km4water: "Exposing researchers" should not be a purpose here. Wikipedia is emphatically never to be used as a publicity platform. That is not negotiable, and attempting to do so will get your account blocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I am guessing that you intend the researchers involved in the project - such as Howard S. Wheater - to create articles about themselves. This is a horrible idea, doomed to failure. See WP:AUTO for why Wikipedia warns against attempts at autobiography. Also see Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for who might qualify as a topic of an article, preferably created by a person who has no paid or personal connection to the subject. David notMD (talk) 11:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

There is no intention to encourage people to post their autobiographies: Wikipedia policy makes it clear that this is not acceptable. There is a need to add biographies of people who have had a significant impact on certain fields of water studies, and we are looking carefully at what makes a good (and acceptable) article. In our Wikipedia webinars, conflict of interest has been explained and discussed at length. Km4water (talk) 15:43, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

There is a language misunderstanding here. "Exposing" researchers to Wikipedia and its editing practices is a form of training or framiliarizatio, not an attempt to publicise them or their work! But since you have not understood the wording, I will rephrase. Km4water (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I can see from your remarks that someone needs to create a Wikipedia article for Knowledge Mobilization. It is not a synonym for Public Relations. There are already articles for Knowledge Translation, Implementation Research, Knowledge Sharing, Evidence Based Practice (and Public Relations), which can be related. Simply, Knowledge Mobilization intends to make use of all of these in working to get knowledge into use. This can happen through changing knowledge production systems (such as those in academia), opening communication channels, encouraging scientist-user interactions, and using brokers to link previously unrelated field of interest to increase their potential for implementation. Km4water (talk) 15:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

You are free to describe the nature of your work on your User page however you want. Regardless, all drafts of articles about the research program, the research and the researchers need to meet Wikipedia standards for neutral point of view (WP:NPOV) and independent references from reliable sources (WP:42). Given the work is coming to a close, it may be WP:TOOSOON to expect non-connected people publishing about it. You should be aware that if drafts are accepted by reviewers other editors will be able to edit those as long as they also provide valid references, and that you, as a paid editor (WP:PAID) will be prohibited from further editing the articles. Instead, you will be limited to proposing subsequent edits on the Talk pages of the articles. Given WP:COI, the same would apply to any articles the researchers manage to get approved about themselves (of if you end up creating those, you). David notMD (talk) 23:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, David. It seems sensible to capture factual details about a programme or institution while the people who can verify those facts are around. Analysis and interpretation of the influence and impact of the work would naturally follow and be added in future edits. Km4water (talk) 23:45, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

"Analysis and interpretation" should not be added in future edits unless those edits are summarizing analysis and interpretation carried out and published by people wholly unconnected with the original programme. ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I can see the point, Colin, but with seven years' of research and review and citation of that research by scientists outside the programme there will certainly be that opportunity. "Wholly unconnected" is an interesting concept in the world of academia, as communities of practice are a vital part of knowledge creation and there is much overlap among institutions, projects (and fiunding). I think Wikipedia's weakness in representation of many areas of science may be partly due to this interpretation. Km4water (talk) 15:26, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Km4water It's not just an "interpretation". Verifiability is a core principle of Wikipedia. If you expect volunteer editors or even subject matter experts to add their own analysis and interpretation of scientific work to articles, that's not going to happen. Everything in an article must come from reliable, independent, published sources so that readers can verify. While, as you say, the world of academia has many connections, the usage here is primarily concerned with conflicts of interest, such as a university professor submitting a draft about their department head.

You have been told the same things several times by several experienced editors. They know what they are talking about. David10244 (talk) 06:18, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@Km4water We don't need "people who can verify facts" to be around, since, as has been explained to you, facts are verified using published sources. David10244 (talk) 10:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Protection of a page

Page Societat Civil Catalana is being removed the same content constantly by user Mariano211 and CrystallizedCarbon. Trying to talk with them has not been successful. They ignore the arguments and keep removing the same exact content. Is there a way to protect the page against their edits? 95.17.250.138 (talk) 21:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I think they don't like the page saying that SCC defends the same thing as Spanish nationalist when they talk about the model of the Catalonian schools and they want to omit independent studies telling things contrary to what SCC defends. I think that's appropriate because it provides other points of view different from the ones provided by SCC. Otherwise the Wikipedia would be a place where you can only put propaganda. The source I'm providing is [10]. The text of the Wikipedia article is "On 5 December 2017, SCC denounces in Brussels an alleged indoctrination in schools of Catalonia in Catalan nationalism,[11] sharing positions with the rest of Spanish nationalism in this aspect. However, independent studies show that influence in political views is made by neighborhoods and parents, not schools."[12]"

These users keep removing the text from " sharing positions with the rest of Spanish nationalism in this aspect" onwards. 95.17.250.138 (talk) 21:51, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor, you have been edit warring and making false accusations of vandalism. A sincere content dispute is not vandalism. You really need to stop because your current behavior places you at high risk of being blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 22:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

And what about the rest of my claims? Even though I don't believe it's a sincere content dispute, I have come here seeking answers, tips and advice on how to proceed in order to let legitimate content remain in the article instead of being vandalised or edit warred or removed without justification by a new user registered for editing a single page and another user who looking at the page history looks like he only accepts advertisements. Stopping won't solve the issue. Do you think the content is not legitimate or that it is biased? Because that's what they say to remove it without explanation nor talk in the talk page. 95.17.250.138 (talk) 22:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I am speaking as an administrator because I am concerned about your behavior. I have no expertise or interest in the content dispute. There are several forms of dispute resolution available to you. Please follow them. If you end up blocked, you will not accomplish your goals, so please be careful. Cullen328 (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor: You made the same sort of protest on the 14th March and were told in no uncertain terms that you have a content dispute that has nothing to do with vandalism as defined on Wikipedia. Subsequently, Mariano211 and I engaged with you on the Talk Page of the article. Now you are again failing to assume good faith with Crystallizedcarbon, a very experienced editor. It is unsurprising that editors may not want to engage with someone who calls them vandals and, even if they did, you must allow them some time to do so. Your latest protest is less than 24 hours old. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Even though the content of Mariano211 was finally added because he brought some references although primary sources, CrystallizedCarbon removed them, too. I can't keep restoring text other people removes or removing evemts from unrelated parties. Mariano211 has not replied to anything I wrote, he only removes content. 95.17.250.138 (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

My only goal is to preserve the content Mariano211 started deleting and afterwards CrystallizedCarbon in tandem. Mariano211 could have added content but instead he choose to remove it and add his own thing from unrelated events. 95.17.250.138 (talk) 22:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Exactly! as pointed out by Mike Turnbull from the very first day of the dispute, my edits have nothing to do with "vandalism", which is a blatant insult I have never used to qualify the editor 95.17.250.138. The only and exclusive aim of the latter is to discredit SCC by linking it with extremist nationalist ideology, which is completely unfair and untrue. Under "Activism/8 October 2017" you can read (and nobody disputes that) that Nobel Prize of Literature Mario Vargas Llosa and Catalan Socialist Josep Borrell, current Vice-President of the European Commission, took part in the demonstrations organised by SCC (along with the Catalan Socialist party, which won last elections in Catalonia): who can accept that these personalities, widely recognised internationally, share that ideology? this would not be serious, to say the least, and detrimental to Wikipedia reputation Mariano211 (talk) 09:20, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Enquiry About Confirmed Users

How may I become a confirmed user on Wikipedia who is allowed to edit all the pages? TheAtulKaushal (talk) 09:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Can ya Help me add a Page 219.91.175.35 (talk) 09:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor: If you wish to draft an article, please read H:YFA and use the WP:AfC process. Click those links for details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I think this was an attempt to create a new section that the asker successfully did below afterwards. 331dot (talk) 12:19, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

TheAtulKaushal Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You become autoconfirmed when your account is four days old with 10 edits or more- which your account is long past. There is also the extended-confirmed level, which is 30 days and 500 edits. You are long past 30 days, but you do not yet have 500 edits. You may request edits to any article by making an edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
@TheAtulKaushal Just to point out that 331dot meant that, even for articles with extended-confirmed protection, you could still make an edit request on the relevant talk Page. Of course, for the vast majority of articles there will be no protection and you can go ahead and be bold with your edits. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Ji, I had an account on Wikipedia previously but this interactive online encyclopedia has quite changed since I deleted my old account. Thank you. TheAtulKaushal (talk) 09:26, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Alice Solves the Puzzle

Did Pete first appear in Alice Solves the Puzzle or Steamboat Willie? 86.8.119.252 (talk) 12:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Alice Solves the Puzzle. 86.8.119.252 (talk) 12:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Page watchers

Hi, how do I figure out the number of page watchers if all they say is "Fewer than 30 watchers"? Dancing Dollar ^{(let's talk)} 10:11, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dancing Dollar, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think that you don't. I can't find it now, but I'm pretty sure I have seen an explanation that the exact number is not shown if it is less than 30 by policy, and that it is something to do with privacy. ColinFine (talk) 11:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dancing Dollar Yes, its not possible by policy, mentioned at H:W (although admins can get the number). Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I assume that the privacy issue is that if one learned that, say, 2 or 3 editors were watching a page or article, it would be possible to figure out who specifically was. 331dot (talk) 12:27, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, another commonly stated explanation is that its harder thatway to find low-or-unwatched articles where therefore vandalism is less likely to be immedately noticed, particularely on wikis with a small userbase and no equivalent of ClueBot NG. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:34, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

My listing

Hello … For many years my profile was shown on Wikipedia. Now it is gone. How do I again get my profile to appear. I will appreciate your help. Thanks! GoldenGo-Far (talk) 10:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

GoldenGo-Far Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have "profiles" or "listings", not a single one. Wikipedia has articles. It would help to know who you are or which article you are referencing. 331dot (talk) 10:06, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Is this: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beth Taylor the disappeared article? A case of WP:OLDARTICLE, it seems (Wikidata). WP:N is your first hurdle. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:54, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Categorie per una pagina

Hi everyone, I created the draft on a national interest award: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Premio_Best_LibertyCity

I would like to kindly ask for help with this page. Since it has sources and everything needed to be an encyclopedic entry, unfortunately I don't know which categories to associate it with. Can you help me? Artskylove (talk) 13:14, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey, @Artskylove, and welcome to enwiki. We don't add categories until an article has been moved to main space, which only happens after notability has been shown. I'd suggest you go to the talk page of that draft and provide the best three (and no more than three) sources which support a claim of notability. You can find information at WP:notability. Valereee (talk) 16:30, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Tyler Toney

Excuse me but could anyone help me with what I am doing wrong on my draft: Draft:Tyler Toney. He is definitely notable I just don't know exactly what I am doing wrong. Cdelapp (talk) 16:38, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Cdelapp, writing "He is definitely notable" won't convince anyone. You'll need to demonstrate it by citing suitable sources. There's advice in the comments at Draft:Tyler_Toney. Maproom (talk) 17:48, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Given he is one of five people making up Dude Perfect, what justifies an article about him as an individual? For bands, one person may go on to a solo career. This ain't that. David notMD (talk) 17:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Arfat Mia

Arfat Mia Arfatmia10 (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

You attempted to create an article about Arfat Mia on your User page. This is the wrong place. It ~~will shortly be~~ was Speedy deleted, leaving no trace of ever having existed. The proper path for draft creation is described at WP:YFA. If this is about you, Wikipedia recommends against attempts at autobiography. See WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 18:06, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

You should probably also read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 18:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

RfC

I would appreciate it if someone could provide a brief explanation of the RfC procedure soon. Thank you. Simoooix.haddi (talk) 19:36, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Simoooix.haddi, and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you looked at WP:RFC? That should answer your questions. If it does not, please come back and ask what specifically you need help with. ColinFine (talk) 19:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Disable new user landing page

How do I disable the new user landing page? It's annoying if i want to correct an error i made in the address bar, check deletion logs, etc What sound does a duck make (talk) 21:28, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, What sound does a duck make. You can turn it off in your 'Preferences' settings. At the bottom of the 'User profile' Tab, look for 'Newcomer Editor Features' and then unclick 'Display newcomer homepage'. Then click 'Save' to change these settings. Hope that helps you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@What sound does a duck make: Nick Moyes's post is about an unrelated feature when you click your own username. I don't know whether the new user landing page can be disabled but if you make a single more edit anywhere at the English Wikipedia (including this page) then it should no longer apply to you and disappear. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:00, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Cheers What sound does a duck make (talk) 01:41, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

PURDUE'S DADDY

Is this title because they just upset Purdue in NCAA tournament?Cockyrocky60 (talk) 01:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Good day. Could you link the article you are referencing. From what I can tell with the limited data given, it might be vandalism. ✶Mitch 199811✶ 02:06, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Purdue University, but not Purdue Boilermakers men's basketball has content on Purdue (ranked 1st in region) loss to the 16th ranked team on 17 March 2023. There is no Purdue's Daddy article. David notMD (talk) 02:56, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

The second article now protected after several IPs added that Purdue is "owned" by FDU because of the upset. The loss information has been added without the hyperbole. David notMD (talk) 09:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I see it was vandalized Cockyrocky60 (talk) 02:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Could someone review my draft please

Hi, I've been editing Draft:Filtronic after it's been rejected twice. Could someone please check whether I've adequately addressed the issues raised by the last reviewer? Thanks in advance. Hduncan mwe (talk) 22:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Why would you think that being mentioned in parliament was encyclopaedic information? If somebody independent has written somethign about those appearances, maybe, but otherwise? (In other words, a section supported entirely by primary sources probably should not be there). ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Hduncan mwe: Hi there! I suggest you remove the external links from within the article prose per WP:EL. You might be able to convert some of them to reference is they are reliable sources. Otherwise, remove them completely. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:33, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Hduncan mwe, your draft has 30 references. I doubt anyone here will be willing to wade through all those looking for any that attest notability. Which three do you think to most to establish that the subject is notable? Maproom (talk) 10:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

A quoted company whose value at one point reached £1 billion should certainly be notable, and have had sufficient coverage in the financial and trade press etc, especially as the share price then declined dramatically. But a lot of this will be paywalled. I'm not sure that declining the draft was the right choice in the first place (or two places). Now improved, and I've moved, a tad boldly) to Filtronic. Johnbod (talk) 03:58, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Two of my pages

Page #1 is not notable, so I decided to make a page for the creator after I noticed he did not have one. Page #2 was declined to be published because of the lack of evidence, but there is not a whole lot of evidence to use. Page #1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jim_Pickens Page #2: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Call_Me_Kevin&oldid=1145037337 KeyboardWarrior22 (talk) 23:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

KeyboardWarrior22, sadly, if there is no evidence (sources) to use, then the draft will not be accepted. See WP:N. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, KeyboardWarrior22. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes the significant coverage that reliable published sources that are entirely independent of the topic devote to the topic. Your drafts have no such sources. Cullen328 (talk) 23:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Youtube is not a credible source and for the most part cant be used. Neither can fandom. You have to find independent reliable sources for your article to be accepted. The first one has no chance of being accepted due to WP:N PalauanReich (talk) 23:28, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank all of you, I find it sad that my page cannot be published because no credible sources have been presented. I feel it's wrong that he will never have a Wikipedia page because of this, however, I can do nothing and completely understand. I have added more links, one where Kevin literally states his story on a video that describes my entire page. I hope it will be reviewed and approved, but I do not know how to re submit it, if even possible. So far, I agree, my page is not the best and maybe shouldn't be published. Although I also agree that he should have a page because his girlfriend does and he doesn't seem as respected. Any and all help is appreciated as this is my first and most likely last attempt at adding a page to Wikipedia. KeyboardWarrior22 (talk) 23:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree he should have a page, but there are unfortunately no secondary independent sources on him. This is a problem with many other youtubers as well. The only sources are youtube. I hope you do not get too discouraged though, there are many articles that are notable and have sources that need to be created. PalauanReich (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

KeyboardWarrior22, when you say he should have a page because his girlfriend does, that shows that you have no idea how Wikipedia works, despite several people trying to explain the basics to you. Cullen328 (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Correct, That is not quite what I meant. He should have a page because I think he has grown big enough to deserve a page. I made this for the giggles not knowing how Wikipedia works and expected it to be straight forward. Sorry for anything that made you infer that as that was not the reason. But when you said "that shows that you have no idea how Wikipedia works, despite several problems trying to explain the basics to you" Sounds a little rude, but that could just be me, I don't think it's enough to discuss further though. If there is any things you think I should make, I'll consider that as I love writing but too often do I have no ideas. KeyboardWarrior22 (talk) 00:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree Cullen328 comment was a bit rude, not exactly WP:DBN. A good place to start is the page of where you live or where you were born. Or any place or that you know well. Just know if you are related to a person or have a conflict of interest, you have to look at WP:COIE, which discuesses the the conflict of interest. I know Wikipedia can be an intimidating place for newcomers, but once you learn more about it and learn your way around, it becomes very enjoyable. Happy editing PalauanReich (talk) 00:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

PalauanReich, I do not consider it rude to point out the self evident truth that the editor was showing no signs of understanding how Wikipedia works despite several people trying to explain it. If we overly coddle people, they will just waste their time on drafts that will never become articles. I did not insult. I stated facts. Cullen328 (talk) 07:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree, but your tone suggests otherwise. KeyboardWarrior22 (talk) 14:53, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

It is fundamentally counterintuitive that a YouTuber with millions (!) of subscribers should not be notable enough for a Wikipedia article, yet nevertheless that is the case here. This is, I think, a failing of the popular press, though it also reflects on what kinds of content are given the most weight in public discourse. There was some discussion of this on the Signpost regarding Technoblade, who only received significant media coverage after (and as a result of) his death, despite having tens of millions of viewers.

As mentioned at Help:Your first article, Creating an article is one of the more difficult tasks on Wikipedia. It's of course unfair that new users should be encouraged to edit and then be immediately discouraged from creating articles (possibly the most obvious way to contribute to Wikipedia), but that's just how things have panned out. @KeyboardWarrior22: there are plenty of help pages all over the place, but I think the quickest way to learn here is simply to improve articles, take advice from other users, and not become demotivated after they WP:BITE you. Good luck, if you still want to stick around. Shells-shells (talk) 01:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for agreeing! I love how much you were down to earth and now I kinda want to do this now. I think it will help because I'm writing a short film and I need the skills for the screenplay. KeyboardWarrior22 (talk) 01:21, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

To further explain PalauanReich's answer, YouTube generally can't be used unless the video is from a verified official account of a reliable source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense, I think it's credible, but I understand Wikipedia's point of view. I also understand if this were allowed how it would change Wikipedia's credibility and other aspects relating to that. KeyboardWarrior22 (talk) 00:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@KeyboardWarrior22 A video of someone talking about himself is not useful for the same reason that an interview is not useful for showing notability. Wikipedia is not interested in what someone says about themselves, only what independent sources say about them -- independent sources with a reputation for credibility and fact-checking. YouTube videos do not (generally) have that. David10244 (talk) 06:53, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Great Atlantic Sargassum Belt

This is what Scientific American and National Geographic call the blog approaching Florida. I think there should be either an entry with this name or a redirect to a different title if one already exists. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-the-real-story-behind-the-massive-blob-of-seaweed-heading-toward-florida/; https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/sargassum-seaweed-blob-explained-florida-scn/index.html; https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/seaweed-blob-great-atlantic-sargassum-belt-beach-threat 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:AC39:F311:DC1E:D05F (talk) 16:24, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

That does seem promising. New articles aren't generally what we do here at Teahouse, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone here was interested in creating that. Valereee (talk) 16:36, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Agree, it could be a redirect to Sargassum#Inundations, as that contains the relevant info, but I think it definitely merits its own article. which I will create soon. PalauanReich (talk) 22:24, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

There's a blog approaching Florida? :-) David10244 (talk) 07:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Is the draft ready be published?

Hi,

I'm curious about the draft(ESPNcricinfo Awards), which is almost finished and about to get published. What are the main things I left in it.. can you figure out? or it is completely ready.? —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 02:52, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

In a reviewer's comment on Draft:ESPNcricinfo Awards, Perfectodefecto, you've specified five of "the best independent sources", Among these, I selected a source from The Guardian, because the British newspaper is refreshingly free of any paywall. But it turned out to be this page of the Trinidad and Tobago Guardian. The article tells us that this or that player won this or that award. Does it say anything about the award, other than who won it? Is the award a trophy or cash or something else? Who pays? Is there an awards ceremony, and if so, where may it be viewed? How are the judges/jurors selected? How have pundits whose views are of note commented on the judgments, or tastes (or alleged biases) of the judges/jurors? What happened to make the awards suddenly take note of women, nine years after they took note of men? Et cetera. -- Hoary (talk) 04:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

The textual content of the draft is just two unreferenced sentences. There's nothing about how the award-winners are selected, and no evidence that anyone cares who wins them. Maproom (talk) 08:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Consultant Advertising Services to Create Article

A case request at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard asked for advice about a draft article, and I have advised the author to ask the editors here for advice about improving the draft. However, the submitter also mentioned that the subject received advertising from a consultant who says that they can help a client get an article in Wikipedia. I am not asking whether to use the services of the consultant. I know the answer, which is don't use their services. But is there anyone who is keeping track of these scammers and advertisers? Is anyone maintaining a list, or keeping information about them? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:59, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Robert McClenon I think you are looking for Wikipedia:List of paid editing companies. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Logging in

I need to log in again and again for some reason . Can anyone help me with this? Crazy975 (talk) 08:33, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Crazy975 Hello and welcome. Do you check the "keep logged in" box? If you block your browser from saving cookies, this may require you to keep logging in. You should be able to whitelist Wikipedia in your browser. 331dot (talk) 08:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

From where can I check the "keep logged in" box? I also don't see an option for whitelisting Wikipedia or saving cookies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 08:57, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Arb-Com cases

Hello,

Are users (non-admin) that are uninvolved with a given dispute allowed to comment/participate in Arbcom cases? Just curious.

--Shadow of the Starlit Sky (talk) 13:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Some of the comments in the Talk page of the main case page and the Talk page of the Evidence page are by editors who do not have any involvement with the case. Be sure to follow the instructions at the top of the page, such as to comment in your own section, and any word limit. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:49, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Deciding between images

I am editing the Sargassum Belt article, and I was wondering what would be the best picture. The current one is a drawing of where it is, but I was wondering if the satellite imagery image would be better. I am wondering what you think? Current image

Satellite Image 1

Satellite Image 2 PalauanReich (talk) 13:20, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@PalauanReich: Just my opinion: I think the current image is best for the article's lead image, but I'd also include a thumbnail of your "Satellite Image 2" to show the development of the belt over time. Deor (talk) 13:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good. That's what I was thinking PalauanReich (talk) 13:45, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

One question. I tried adding the image, but the caption isnt appearing, do you know how to make the caption appear. Thanks PalauanReich (talk) 13:52, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Looks as though the caption has been fixed. Deor (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Having problems with signing up for feedback request services

I tried filling out the template but it my username wouldn’t save. I’m not sure if it’s normal, but I don’t think I applied the submission. SensibleLeprechaun (talk) 14:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@SensibleLeprechaun: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1183. You went to the actual template documentation page at Template:Frs user/doc and changing the values there, which is not what you do. You need to call the template on whichever page you want by typing the name of the template (Frs user) and enclosing it within {{ and }}. There's more help at Help:Templates, and a section there on § Parameters if those are needed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:41, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I am aware of that now, I was really tired so I did not think too much about where I actually was. Thank you for the information. SensibleLeprechaun (talk) 14:46, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, “on whichever page you want”, meaning categories? If I were to call the template on Film Semiotics for instance will it give me drafts to review? SensibleLeprechaun (talk) 14:50, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@SensibleLeprechaun: The documentation's not very clear, but I took these instructions from another user's talk page:

Go to the Feedback Request Service page.
Decide which categories are of interest to you, under the RfC and/or GA headings.
Paste {{Frs user|Jmajeremy|limit}} underneath the relevant heading(s), where limit is the maximum number of requests you wish to receive for that category per month.
Publish the page.

Obviously, replace Jmajeremy with your username.—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Publish draft

FYI

– Sections split. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Would you be able to publish an article for me? Gavriel111 (talk) 01:23, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Gavriel111: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1183. If you think your draft is ready, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Gavriel111, I have deleted Bimpin (and Draft:Bimpin, which redirected to it), as blatant promotion, exemplified by Bimpin's music is known for its catchy beats and relatable lyrics, which have resonated with listeners worldwide. Despite his relatively young age, Bimpin has already established himself as a rising star in the music industry. Unsurprisingly, this was not backed up by any reliable source. Surprisingly, nothing else in the article was either. I note that in this edit, you wrote Hi, this is Bimpin's manager. If you want to persist in attempting to create an article about this person (and I advise you not to), then as his manager you must read Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure very carefully and do what it says. -- Hoary (talk) 02:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. If I were to rewrite the article to be non-biased, would that be able to be published? Gavriel111 (talk) 02:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

If you can find three reliable sources that go in depth about Bimpin, yes you can. Esolo5002 (talk) 03:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Gavriel111, did you not read

If you want to persist in attempting to create an article about this person (and I advise you not to), then as his manager you must read Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure very carefully

(above), and within Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure also

Paid editing is further regulated by a community guideline, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. This advises that those with a conflict of interest, including paid editors, are very strongly discouraged from directly editing affected articles, but should post content proposals on the talk pages of existing articles, and should put new articles through the articles for creation process, so they can be reviewed prior to being published.

? But if you've decided to ignore both my advice and this website's very strong discouragement, then could you? Probably not, because your obvious eagerness to create an article about your client suggests that your idea of "non-biased" and others' ideas of "non-biased" would be very different. Still, as Esolo5002 has indicated that it might be possible, you could -- here, in this thread -- present links to three reliable sources that each describe or discuss Bimpin in depth. (Be sure to read WP:RS before attempting this task.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:45, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I’m sorry about that. Below are only two reliable and notable sources in the music industry that talk about Bimpin as an artist. I was only able to attach 2 since these are the only two that were not from PR or an interview. I've just read the links you've sent to understand the rules. I apologize for my errors.

Lyrical Lemonade, "Who Is Bimpin?"

Earmilk, "Bimpin Reminisces about Heaven at Night"

Now, I completely understand how the article should be written, as it focuses on facts and statistics more than general observations and how I see Bimpin.

Once again, I truly do apologize for the misunderstanding and my communication. Gavriel111 (talk) 05:45, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Gavriel111. Both those sources are weak; they don't add up to "notability", as it's understood here. Maybe wait a year or two. -- Hoary (talk) 06:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok, both of those sources attached are well known in music industry. I understand that Wikipedia requires more mainstream publications. I'm sorry to bother you but I've attached a completely rewritten short biography ONLY stating facts. Every fact stated has a source that would be attached and cited before being published. --------------

Gavi Shohet Zabin, better known by his stage name Bimpin, is an American rapper and recording artist from Chicago. Born on August 15th, 2007, Bimpin began making music at the age of nine, and at the age of 11, he released his first set of singles to SoundCloud.

Career

Bimpin’s most notable single, 2Life, has 300,000 and counting streams across all streaming platforms which earned him recognition from the Recording Academy. Getty Images showcases Bimpin on the red carpet at the first and 2nd Annual Grammys Next Gen party. Bimpin’s most recent Lyrical Lemonade write up reflects 2Life stating, “Bimpin’s new single, 2Life with Henny Hermes, KILJ, and production by Stafford Beats displays his versatility as well as his own way to deliver a message about the struggles of making it as a rapper.” 2Life introduced thousands of new listeners to the rapper, shortly before he released his most recent single, Heaven At Night.

Late 2018–present:

Bimpin is a rap artist who burst onto the scene at the age of eleven. According to SoundCloud archives, Bimpin’s debut single and album were titled, Needa Know and Capital City Feel. These early works are no longer available on streaming platforms. Bimpin is preparing for the release of his upcoming EP, Blinded By Colors as promoted through and seen on his social media feeds. Bimpin is an independent artist and has not signed a record deal or management agreement. Gavriel111 (talk) 06:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

You are still struggling with avoiding promotional wording: "most notable, earned him recognition, burst onto the scene." Also, articles do not have future events: preparing for the release. See WP:TOOSOON. And you MUST declare your paid relationship on your User page before trying again. David notMD (talk) 10:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok thank you. I will fix the wording and delete future events. My relationship to Bimpin is that I am his manager, I will put that on my user page as well. Gavriel111 (talk) 16:36, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Restructure of Road signs in Ireland article

Hello,

I would like to restructure the Road signs in Ireland article as discussed in talk page, namely removing the reference to Northern Ireland (since that is explained in Road signs in the United Kingdom, and instead adding a hatnote at the top of the page) and overall bringing it more in line with other road sign articles of Europe (for example, Road signs in Germany, Road signs in the United Kingdom, etc.). Is there anything I need to be aware of before making such a (big) change, or should this change not be made?

There are other notable problems with the article, those being original research (which has actually helped me to better understand the history of our signage) and a lack of citations (mostly following statements that our signage system is based on the UK's; while I think this is obvious enough it of course may not be to others, though I am not sure what should be cited to verify this). If it isn't suitable for Wikipedia, should it be removed?

Thanks in advance EthanL13 (talk) 23:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

If you cannot find proof backing up a claim, I would remove it.

Regarding the parentheses in the second paragraph: While there is wp:BLUESKY, I do not think that being based on the British system is a given. It being original could make just as much sense and Napoleon, Germany, or America influencing it is plausible. Summed up, it should be basic knowledge to fall under wp:BLUESKY, e.g. you drink through your mouth. ✶Mitch 199811✶ 02:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Thus it will be alright to remove the citation needed notes following references to the UK system? EthanL13 (talk) 12:19, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I apologize for replying late. I would not judge that as being clear enough to not need a citation. For those claims you should find one. ✶Mitch 199811✶ 19:43, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

User:EthanL13/sandbox

I have made a possible restructure. Is there somewhere where this can be approved? EthanL13 (talk) 19:52, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I am not super familiar with moving ideas from the sandbox to the mainspace. WP:Peer review I think would be the place to have the article be reviewed how you want it to be. You may also want to ask the Help Desk if you want to get a more experienced opinion. ✶Mitch 199811✶ 20:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I will do, thank you very much for all your help EthanL13 (talk) 21:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Looking for articles to edit

So I want to fix grammar on Wikipedia, is there some kind of directory or something like that where there are articles that need some fixing? Vamsi20 (talk) 20:42, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Vamsi20 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A good place to start is the Community Portal. 331dot (talk) 20:47, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1183. As a shameless plug, you may be interested in the Guild of Copy Editors. We currently have a drive to reduce our copyediting backlog as much as we can. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:00, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I will be working on fixing them :)

Vamsi20 (talk) Vamsi20 (talk) 21:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: Wikipedia:Lists of common misspellings/Grammar and miscellaneous may also be of interest. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 22:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Why cant i make the page Cherry Bettan?

I want to redirect it to my user page, dont worry. CherryTheFurby (talk) 23:12, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@CherryTheFurby welcome to Teahouse! We don't have pages. We have articles. And Wikipedia Articles cannot redirect to User pages or vice versa. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

ik they are called articles. i just wanted to make a fanon wikipedia article thats my user page. CherryTheFurby (talk) 23:19, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

CherryTheFurby Your user page is not for that purpose, it is a place for the named user to tell about themselves as a Wikipedia editor or user. Wikipedia is also not for writing fanon- there are websites for that purpose, but this isn't one. 331dot (talk) 23:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

CherryTheFurby, an article summarizes what reliable sources have said about some subject that's demonstrably notable. Improving and perhaps sometimes also creating articles is why we are here. A user page is entirely optional; but when it exists, it says something about the user as editor. I don't know for sure why you can't make "the page Cherry Bettan"; but as Google shows zero hits for the string "cherry bettan", I'd guess that the reason is an utter lack of notability. -- Hoary (talk) 23:44, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@CherryTheFurby: Your account is too new to make articles (including redirects in the article space) but your purpose isn't allowed anyway. Wikipedia is a serious encyclopedia, not for things made up by the users. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Using Template:Infobox mapframe

Hello. I am trying to figure out how to use the infobox map frame template for the Seat of Kew (Wikidata #: Q5355563). The Wikidata entry and the OSM relation ID are linked with one another but the template still doesn't work.

{{Infobox mapframe|id=Q5355563}}

Thank you in advance for your help. - GMH Melbourne (talk) 10:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Did you just add the OSM relation ID. It sometimes takes 1-2 days for it to work. PalauanReich (talk) 13:02, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@PalauanReich: Yes that must be the problem. Thank you! - GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

among us (2018)

https://siivagunner.fandom.com/wiki/Among_Us_Trap_Remix this is my source, can i let me edit the page now Silent bays (talk) 00:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Fandom is not a reliable source as it is user generated. What page do you want to edit? PalauanReich (talk) 00:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

among us but it didnt let me before Silent bays (talk) 00:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

What specifically do you want to add? PalauanReich (talk) 00:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Among Us Trap Remix, is this the one I played? Let's check it out.

I'm assuming what they are trying to add here is a mention of the Trap Remix to Among Us#Memes and mods. 💜 melecie talk - 01:14, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Silent bays, the article Among Us is "semi-protected". This means that new editors can't edit it directly. If you have a suggestion for improving it, then describe this precisely and clearly at the foot of Talk:Among Us. (Further up in the same talk page is an excellent example of a successful edit request.) If your suggestion depends on something you've read at Fandom, it will fail. -- Hoary (talk) 00:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

ok Silent bays (talk) 01:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Declined Biography submission.

Hello, i'm very new and trying to get this through was wandering is i could get some help. i believe i gave enough inline references in the draft but for some reason it was declined. I've corrected what i think was the error and would like for someone to please go over this with me. Thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cyrus_DeShield HistoryVille1 (talk) 02:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

The section "Early life and career" is long, HistoryVille1. It has a grand total of zero references. The reader therefore has no reason to believe any of it. Everything the draft says must come with references to reliable sources, which of course must be independent of DeShield and of any company profiting from his work. Anything that cannot be so referenced must be cut. (I didn't look beyond "Early life and career". Anything beyond it must also be referenced, of course.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that. So i have references is it possible to get help completing this ? HistoryVille1 (talk) 03:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

HistoryVille1, if you reference everything that can be referenced, and cut everything that can't be referenced, and then ask here for help in some specific aspect of your already-greatly-improved draft, then it's likely (though not certain) that somebody will help. -- Hoary (talk) 06:38, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

If you have acceptable references, it is possible to make a start. You have been writing your draft backwards. Maproom (talk) 08:11, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I just did alot of fixing. was wondering if you could take a look at the draft for me. plz. HistoryVille1 (talk) 00:38, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia editing/writing myself. But I think you have an amazing draft so far. There are more references needed in the "early life' section and also the next section. Dmarie100 (talk) 02:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Not understanding why my article is not approved

I attempted to write an article about Marshall Weber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Marshall_Weber and was given feedback that there were not enough references. So I added more references. I believe that they are reliable, they include mainstream newspapers and other arts sites. One of them was the website of a non profit that Weber founded. He has founded other non-profits as well, and has had a career as an artist. I could remove that reference, but not sure that is helpful. I am not sure what else to do. I stuck a big list of links ("more info") at the bottom, which is messy and could be removed but I am at a loss. The process has taken a long time, perhaps I did not see a notification when it was reviewed again. This article is more thorough than others that I have created without the push-back. I have a difficult time figuring out how to communicate with the various editors and reviewers, so may not have done everything possible. I got no response to my comment on the talk page. A consultant of some kind from "Wiki Submissions" contacted Marshall Weber to help him make the web page, but he is not the one writing it, and this is not a commercial endeavor. It seems weird that commercial (?) consultants are trolling the rejections.... FYI, like other artists that I have made pages for, I know him personally. All Wikipedia entries that I have created and edited are out of personal interest, because I admire the subjects work. Thank you ::User:cleshne — Preceding undated comment added 21:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Just cleaned up the citations a bit. You need to either move that list of references at the bottom into in-line citations in the article, because you should only have 2-3 external links. Find what info you go from the sources and add in the reference to that appropriate section. And delete the rest besides for maybe his website. PalauanReich (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Comment: the feedback did not say that "there were not enough references". It said that the references were not good enough. It was hoping for better references, not more references (though it could have made this clearer). Maproom (talk) 06:54, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, cleshne, and welcome to the Teahouse. "Commercial consultants" (aka scammers) troll the rejections because they've seen that they can prey on people who don't understand what Wikipedia is, and think that it's like most of the internet, and you can get on it by paying enough. This is wrong on two counts: first, that Wikipedia will keep articles only if their subjects meet the criteria of notability, and secondly, that "being on Wikipedia" (actually, being the subject of a Wikipedia article) may not be what they want: see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Such consultants are absolutely not approved by Wikipedia (even the honest ones), but as long as they act within Wikipedia's rules, they are free to work here.

On the subject of Draft:Marshall Weber: nothing from Weber or his associates, or anything founded by him, counts towards establishing notability. As well as being reliable, most sources need to be independent. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 11:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Muir Seamount

"This was interpreted as indicating an increase in flow [form] colder waters of Antarctic flow, and the stagnation of the North American flows.[3]"[13] The word "form", seen in brackets in the example quoted from the 4 sentence of the 2 paragraph, is this the correct word in this sentence? My head wants to say "from" instead, but I'm not certain enough to edit it forthwith. (Plus, I don't know how to edit it...) RCMisNapping (talk) 09:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Muir Seamount. That sentence makes little sense, even if you replace "form" by "from". It has been there since the article was created. I think it'll need someone with access to the source cited to figure out what it's meant to say. Maproom (talk) 10:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@RCMisNapping There is enough of the citation available at this URL for me to be fairly confident to change the article's wording as I've done here. Feel free to reword further if you think that would help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Procedures or Vandalism?

A user has completely erased the body of the Killing of Tyre Nichols page on the pretense that it has been "riddled with copyright violations." The listing they filed on the Copyright Investigation page is blank - it contains no information substantiating the allegation of copyright infringement. A Copyvios report finds that the page does not violate copyright. I have restored the original and provided an explanation on the talk page. The user has refused to engage on the talk page and erased the page four times now.

Is this actual copyright violation procedure or vandalism? Can you really just nuke a page and claim that it's copyrighted with no need to substantiate the claim or wait for the admin/copy clerk team to investigate? Combefere ❯❯❯ Talk 07:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Combefere As it clearly states in bold in the template the only people who may remove copyvio blanking templates are admins, copyright clerks and VRT agents. There are no situations in which it would be appropriate for you to remove that template. Even if the article is not a copyright violation that is a determination to be made by the people at WP:CP.

The report at WP:CP is not "blank", it clearly states that the article contains copying from sources. On the talk page of the article they have explained in more detail that the issues are copy pasted sentences and unattributed quoting.

Earwig's copyvio tool is a tool, you need some degree of experience with interpreting it's output and some familiarity with copyvios to figure out what the results mean. You cannot just say "the percentage is low, so it's not a copyvio". There are plenty of ways of committing copyvio that the tool cannot detect, e.g. close paraphrasing, rearranging sentence fragments or copying from offline sources, and there are situations in which the tool will give false positives.

WikiWikiWayne's edits are not vandalism under any reasonable interpretation of the wikipedia definition of the term, and you should stop referring to them as such. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 13:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hibernia

What does the word Hibernian mean 2601:646:C200:3240:843A:3EF4:F04A:8A74 (talk) 00:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hibernia is the Latin name for Ireland. So, Hibernian is a synonym for Irish. In the future please ask questions like this at the Reference desks. Cullen328 (talk) 00:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Or, next time you can try visiting the Wikipedia page of the same name (e.g. Hibernian). GoingBatty (talk) 14:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Pending Draft

Hello, I have submitted the Draft:Right to Recall Party but it was declined. Now I have improved it more references. Can you please check the draft and give suggestions to me. Thanks Info.apsharma (talk) 08:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Info.apsharma Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have submitted it for a review and it is pending; please be patient. 331dot (talk) 08:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Content is extremely detailed for a political party that has never reached 1% of votes in any election. David notMD (talk) 08:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Sort of like the Libertarian party in the United States. But yes, there are many irrelevant details in that draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Pending draft

I submitted a draft, Draft:Santhal Family, on 15 December, 2022. It has been pending review for over 3 months now. Now I usually just leave drafts at that, until they get reviewed by someone. However, I received no reviews or updates at all on this one, and it's been like that since December. Any way I can speed up the review procedure? And, if not that, can I remove the submission tag and publish the article directly (of course, even in that case, someone will review it later)? I have created a couple of appropriately-referenced articles on Wikipedia before, so I am confident this won't be a bad idea. What step must I take? Thanks! Dissoxciate (talk) 00:49, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

AfC is an optional process, and if you already confident about the notability you can just move it to mainspace. Note that it will have to survive NPP. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dissoxciate: All you can do is wait. I left a comment in the draft, however. One paragraph needs major re-work. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

The image you have in the draft is of a different sculpture by Beij. David notMD (talk) 08:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Image corrected. David notMD (talk) 17:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Red link for someone who already has a Wikipedia page

This page: List of fellows of the Society of Antiquaries of_London has a red-link entry for "Reverend J. Charles Cox (1844–1919), Author" but I believe Wikipedia actually has a page about this person here: John_Charles_Cox though that page gives his birth year as 1843. Not sure what to do. Neverkippled (talk) 13:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Neverkippled: Hi there! I suggest posting your question on the article's talk page: Talk:List of fellows of the Society of Antiquaries of London. If you don't receive a response in a couple days, try posting your question at Talk:John Charles Cox. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Neverkippled GoingBatty gave good advice, though I quickly checked the source which actually stated 1843, so I think the 1844 was a typo. Nice spotting! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I got a message from another user who connected up the link, so I think it's sorted out now. Thanks for the helpful replies! Neverkippled (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

draft : hossein saei

Hello, I hope you are well. I wrote a draft about the profsor and actor named( Hossein Saei)ssand used as many sources as possible. Please fix the problem and confirm the page. I wish your always be healthy ............. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hossein_Saei

This is the ID of the actor : https://www.imdb.com/name/nm14636468/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk Tinaabdollahi (talk) 07:52, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tinaabdollahi. Your draft is nowhere near ready to be accepted. It is poorly written, poorly structured and poorly referenced. You mentioned the actor appearing in a film but you linked to the article about a month in the Islamic calendar instead of an article about a film. That makes no sense. Several important assertions in your draft are unreferenced. That's not acceptable. Cullen328 (talk) 08:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, you are referring to the old draft. I made this edit yesterday, March 19, and all items have been corrected. Unfortunately, user User:Dan_arndt deleted Tinaabdollahi (talk) 10:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tinaabdollahi It was deleted by an administrator as being unambiguous advertising. Using Wikipedia for promotion is never acceptable. If you based your draft on the rubbish written on IMDB (as you linked above), then I'm not surprised you got the tone wrong. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tinaabdollahi: If you haven't already done so, I suggest reading Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 13:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Mike's point = IMDb is not accepted as a reference because even if the information is true, content there is added by anyone, with no editorial oversight. For same reason, Wikipedia articles cannot be used as references. See WP:42 and WP:BACKWARD for insight on referencing before trying again. David notMD (talk) 17:06, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

After looking at your Talk page, clear that several Administrators have Speedy deleted your attempts to create a draft about Hossein Saei. Perhaps time to stop trying. David notMD (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit War

Hello, I am trying to improve Education Ecosystem page, but an editor keeps reverting my changes. I have mentioned my edits on the talk page of the article. Can someone please check and let me know why I can't remove the blacklisted references and format it a bit? Thank you Shakycatto (talk) 17:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Shakycatto: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see you have also engaged I am Being Here to Help You on their talk page. I hope you'll continue your conversation with that editor, and hope others will engage on the article talk page discussion you started a few hours ago. I don't think any of the references are "blacklisted", but some are considered "unreliable". GoingBatty (talk) 17:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Hello, I am much obliged for your response. Well, I say, I very much hate to edit-war, but I have mentioned quite fairly that "unreliable" sources are not enough to remove loads of information. But anyway, thank you for the clarification to @Shakycatto, a new user whom you really can't blame. I'm Here to Help You (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@I am Being Here to Help You: Would you prefer that Shakycatto tagged the "unreliable sources" with {{unreliable source}} or find a more reliable source? GoingBatty (talk) 17:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Probably find a more reliable source, but what I wanted was to stop @Shakycatto from erasing the information without evidence of it being incorrect. I'm Here to Help You (talk) 17:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@I am Being Here to Help You & @Shakycatto: I changed some of the "unreliable" sources to use {{cite press release}} to clearly show they're not independent sources. GoingBatty (talk) 17:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out! I'm Here to Help You (talk) 18:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Removing information when there's no evidence that it's correct is fine. Adding unsourced information in the hope that someone else will do the hard work of finding sources is unreasonable. Maproom (talk) 18:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

What a weird article! It says plenty about the subject's fund-raising, but little about what it actually does. It "intends to teach people how to build complete products in future technological fields" - so one day it will write courses about topics that don't exist yet. Maproom (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Reference help please

Hello. I am currently trying to create a draft in my sandbox. I am trying to use a source more than once in the article, but it is being duplicated in the reflist. How do I stop that from happening? QuicoleJR (talk) 20:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Please ping me btw. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

QuicoleJR, please read WP:NAMEDREFS. In brief, you fully define the reference once, assign it a name, and then invoke it using the name of the reference in some wikicode. Follow the syntax carefully. Cullen328 (talk) 20:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR To assist you re-using a named or numbered reference, both of our editing tools offer you the ability to find and redeploy them. In our source editor, click the little clipboard icon next to 'Named Reference' in the toolbar. In Visual Editor there's actually a seperate tab you can click to reuse a reference. Weirdly, that editing tool doesn't let you name the reference yourself - it simply numbers them. So I name mine using the Source Editor on first use via the Cite popup window, and then switch back over to the other editor if I want more of a WYSIWYG feel whilst editing.

I hope this has helped, and not confused you further! Nick Moyes (talk) 21:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Bhai nand Lal page copy editing

So I am working on fixing this page: Bhai Nand Lal I am focusing on the grammar, and fixed the early life section, but the section below it states that a man of Hindu faith cannot have such knowledge of the Quran. However, Lal was a Sikh which is confusing me a lot. Plus, the bad grammar and spelling used in the article makes it hard for me to understand what is going on.

The only reference is a really long book in Punjabi (i think that is what it is) so can someone help me in understanding what the article says? Vamsi20 (talk) 19:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

The page isn’t linking for some reason Vamsi20 (talk) 19:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Vamsi20, it wasn't linking because you included nowiki tags around the link, which disabled it. I've removed them for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh. I was in the visual editor which might have had something to do with it. Vamsi20 (talk) 19:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Does anyone have an answer to my original question? Vamsi20 (talk) 19:49, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

That paragraph is very confused, and in particular it is not made clear who held or stated that view. Earlier in the paragraph it refers to a "non-Muslim", and I wonder if it might be that the Mughals disdained to distinguish between different non-Muslims, and simply called them all Hindu. ColinFine (talk) 19:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I wonder about that too.

Also, I see no other record of that entire paragraph happening except for that Punjabi book (the only reference), maybe I’m missing something there.

There’s no record I could find about the letter and the interpretation. Will do more research into the Hindu subject. Vamsi20 (talk) 20:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I did a bit more research and I found this from sikhwiki.org’s page on Lal:

” When he left the service of Prince Mu'azzam, cannot be determined exactly. The premise that he was dismissed by Aurangzeb owing to his father Chhajju Mall's having been a favourite of Dara has been proven false by the fact that he continued long in service under Prince Mu'azzam. There is a story that Aurangzeb had been dissatisfied with the meaning or interpretation of a verse from the Koran and had given the matter over to the Ulama. No one was able to settle the Emperor's mind on the subject when Prince Mu'azzam asked Nand Lal to take a try at giving an interpretation that might satisfy Aurangzeb.

Nand Lal's version was sent to the Emperor who was, it is said, delighted with his interpretation, but when he noticed the name was a Hindu name, Aurangzeb is said to have become upset that an non-believer should have a better mastery of the Koran than his own court theologians. However, he was given a robe of honor and a monetary reward, but the Emperor is said to have thought that such a scholar should be persuaded to accept Islam.”

So I think the Emperor got confused and thought Lal was a Hindu due to his name, or just was dissatisfied at his being non-Muslim.

The only info I could find about Mughals not distinguishing non-Muslims is that they treated non-Muslims like second-class citizens, but there is no info of them calling every non-Muslim a Hindu. Vamsi20 (talk) 20:14, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

That may be. But I'm afraid that you need reliable sources, and anything called "xxxwiki" is likely not to be one. If you want to go further with this, you're going to need to consult that book. ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

How do I propose a new change?

I think I figured out how to solve the Bonnie and clyde problem with wikidata. We need to be able to have Wikidata anchors on sections. One with a wikidata anchor may have links appear to other sections or articles in other languages. Removing a wikidata anchored section would require approval closer to deleting or merging an article. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 20:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

You're proposing a change on Wikidata, so you need to argue it there. It wouldn't surprise me if it has been discussed before. First read d:WD:Bonnie and Clyde problem, and follow any relevant links. Then if you still think your idea is a goer, suggest it at d:WD:Project chat. ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

COI question

Sorry for asking this again, but I am still a bit confused on the COI guidelines. The Grain de Sel Togo, Inc. article has been almost entirely created or edited by its founder, Khoun75. I added the COI template on the page but still am wondering if I should message him or post something on the talk page. Also the article beginning can be improved to focus more on the organization. PalauanReich (talk) 21:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Khoun75 has never edited their talk page, and has had very sparse edits. Maybe post a template warning about COI, since they are unlikely to see it. Lastly, the article gives off promo, with imagespam and extra peacock like Grain de Sel Togo provides technical and academic support to Fulbright scholars from Africa. It shouldn't take too long to clean up. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

If Khoun75 is the founder of the organization, then in Wikipedia's terms he is a paid editor (whether or not he actually receives money in that capacity), and he must make a formal declaration of that status. ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Silly question

Is it “wrong” to create an article about your mother, who is not especially famous or anything? Luek 10m (talk) 23:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

It's no so much wrong as it violates our policies on Notability, and would likely violate others on WP:RS, WP:Verify and WP:CITE. So it's very much not a good idea to attempt it, although I am sure she is a lovely woman (and don't we all feel our mothers deserve one, lol?). He iro 23:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

She is indeed. Thanks for the advice. Ima get into all these regulations :) 2A0A:A541:1C0:0:E18B:F1E8:3614:E544 (talk) 00:18, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

I guess I wasn’t logged in, but it was me. Luek 10m (talk) 00:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Luek 10m. That's a fairly common question. I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not for some general information. If after looking at those pages, you feel your mother is Wikipedia:Notable for some reason, come back here and post why. Someone will then be able to provide you with more specific information. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Luek 10m (talk) 23:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Copying a file from another language's wiki?

Hello! There is a non-free photo of Vladimir Alatortsev that exists on the Russian and Latvian versions of his page, but not the English. To add the photo to the English page, should I download and reupload the file manually, reentering relevant copyright information in English, or is there some kind of wizard I should use to copy it over? Here is the photo in question, from Russian. Thank you in advance. Kaasterly (talk) 00:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Kaasterly: If it is still under copyright, then it will have to meet all the of criteria at WP:NFCC to be used here on en Wikipedia. WP:MCQ might be a good place to ask about it. RudolfRed (talk) 00:40, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

As far as I know, there is no wizard. You will probably need to download it and reupload it with the information in English, if it can be used here. RudolfRed (talk) 00:41, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

That answers everything I needed; thank you much! Kaasterly (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Warning for vandal

If a random new account deletes everything in an article and just adds a redirect what warning would I use the regular warning template or only warning template? (I'm not trying to be a fake admin or anything I just look for new users to welcome and saw this) Sateurni (talk) 01:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sateurni. WP:REDIRECTing an article is not necessarily vandalism; there could be a very good reason why the article was redirected. So, before you add any user warnings, it would probably be better to try and figure out why the article was redirected. The first thing to do would be to check the article's talk page (including any archives) to see whether there's any discussion related to redirectng the article. Then, I suggest checking the article's edit history to see if you can find any edit summaries related to redirecting the article. If you find nothing on the article's talk page or in the article's edit history, then perhaps follow the guidance given in WP:BLAR. Now, having posted that, it appears that your question is specifically related to Uhm Tae-woong. What you did was correct because that is actually a case of disruptive blanking. Most likely it's one person creating multiple accounts to continue trying to disrupt the page. You could warn this editor with a user warning, but most likely they won't care. They've already been reported to WP:ANI and will most likely just create a new account if they're blocked. Probably the best thing to do would be to request page protection first and then let administrators deal with the various accounts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

If 오늘의 우승자 지니 20220112 is the user in question, was CU blocked by the Materialscientist. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Change username

Is there a way to change your username without making a new account? I looked in preferences but didn’t see it. Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 02:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Orson12345: there sure is, head over to WP:CHU to go over your options. WindTempos ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks. Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 04:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Notability Issue on the page

Dear Teahouse Members,

I need your help to make this page fit for Wikipedia. I have done some changes on the page suggested by Hoary but the issues are still there. Could you please suggest or made changes on the page?

Thanks Amitpandeys0281 (talk) 06:57, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

This seems to be about Stellar Data Recovery. A notability issue requires more good sources. Your user page, Amitpandeys0281, now says that you are being paid to edit. If you're being paid to edit this article, is it likely that those of us who are not being paid to do so will find good sources that have eluded you? One possibility is worth a thought: Perhaps there simply are no other good sources. -- Hoary (talk) 07:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Now that you have declared PAID, I removed the tag about suspected undeclared paid editing. David notMD (talk) 07:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Biography Removed From Wikipedia - Please Help

Hello, I am new here and would definitely like some help. I wrote the following article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hygord_Am%C3%A9d%C3%A9e , it was published to wikipedia, and then taken down the next day. :( I was wondering what exactly can I do to get it republished. I included resources and links to the publications (books) written by this individual. Any and all guidance would greatly be appreciated. Manywords4u (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Manywords4u Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft is completely unsourced. An article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. You're kinda doing this backwards; you've written a text, but have no sources. This is akin to building a house without first building the foundation. You should gather the sources first so you have them to summarize. Please read Your First Article. What sources do you have? 331dot (talk) 23:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

NOT REMOVED. Per the article's View history, it was moved to Draft:Hygord Amédée. Listing books by a person is allowed, but contributes nothing toward notability, especially if self-published. David notMD (talk) 02:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

All of the information about his education and career positions needs to be verified by references. David notMD (talk) 09:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Withdrawing AFD nomination

How can I withdraw an AFD nomination that was made in wrong assumptions. Mokshalini (talk) 09:08, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

See WP:WDAFD - X201 (talk) 09:46, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mokshalini: if you're the nominator, you can withdraw it as detailed here: WP:WDAFD; otherwise you cannot. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:46, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Mokshalini (talk) 11:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Jumbled links

Novice editor. Article internal links to various universities redirect ok in edit mode and publish mode, but "Download as PDF" jumbles these internal links in a somewhat random manner. Billyboybliss (talk) 14:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Billyboybliss Welcome to the Teahouse. Are you referring to problems in the draft User:Billyboybliss/sandbox in your sandbox? If not, please specify which article. Your draft has various problems that you may be able to fix yourself after reading H:YFA and information about inline citations at WP:CITE. If not, come back into this thread with a more specific question and someone will help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I forgot to say thank you for the welcome to Teahouse. I was unaware of the process of becoming a Wikipedian, and the challenge of writing an entry. But enjoying the opportunity. Thank you for your advice regar

ding Billyboybliss/sandbox. Billyboybliss (talk) 11:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Billyboybliss: I have made some tests on different pages. It appears that if a link is broken into two lines in a PDF download then clicking anywhere in those two lines will go to the target of that link. If a line both starts and ends with a broken link then the ending link controls the target. I didn't find this bug in a quick search of our bug tracker. I will search more carefully later and submit it if I don't find an existing report. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter, @Billyboybliss Ah, yes, I see now after looking carefully at the download. The issue is most obvious in the text with multiple wikilinks in one line (The Education University of Hong Kong, Queen's University at Kingston, Rhodes University, Stellenbosch University, and University of Victoria). In the .pdf all the links within a single line point to the article which is the last on the same line in the download. That looks like a Wikipedia bug, nothing to do with any shortcomings in the draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

After trying some other articles in mainspace, just in case there was something odd with the sandbox , I found that the bug is not always obvious but is certainly present in mesotrione, for example in the section Mesotrione#Agricultural use which has a large number of consecutive wikilinks to species names. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Tried a few strategies to separate the Wikilinks [including <br >] but the only way I found to work reliably was bullet pointing the line with The Education University of Hong Kong, Queen's University at Kingston, Rhodes University, Stellenbosch University, and University of Victoria. Billyboybliss (talk) 10:16, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Food Intake For The Whole Day

Dear Friends as I am a 64+ aged old but no so old guy I think that for Elderly Gentlemen easy Diet and regular soft Exercises should be natural ! March21st23 (talk) 12:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@March21st23 Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia, which is what this page is for? Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Trying to get adding dates in volcano eruption list

How i add dates to volcano eruption list? Jovandrisus777 (talk) 13:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jovandrisus777: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see you made some edits to the List of large volcanic eruptions article which were reverted. My guess is that they were reverted because you did not include a reliable source for the date you added. Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I suggest you create a post at the article's talk page - Talk:List of large volcanic eruptions - to discuss your suggestions with other editors and come to a consensus. Thanks for your desire to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 13:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Deleting and protecting a page

how can I delete a page created by me? And how can I protect a page from vandalism? I mean how can I protect a page from some users so those users can't edit the page ? Crazy975 (talk) 09:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Crazy975 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are the only editor of a page or article, you can make an author request speedy delete proposal by placing {{db-g7}} at the top(as it appears when viewing this page, not in the edit window where I have coding to suppress its function). If it's a page in your user space, you can use {{db-u1}}.

If an article or page is subject to vandalism, the vandals may be reported to WP:AIV. If there is a habitual, demonstratable problem with vandalism on an article or page, you may request page protection at WP:RFPP. Note that "vandalism" has a specific meaning, which is attempts to deface an article- it isn't edits made that you simply disagree with. 331dot (talk) 09:41, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok but what if the page is mine ? How can I delete my own page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 09:44, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

As I said, if the page is in your user space, place {{db-u1}} at the top. If it is elsewhere, and you are the only contributor, you may use {{db-g7}}. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I am just writing {{ and it asked for a corresponding template.

What should I write in the template?

Are you talking about deleting a page or protecting it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Crazy975 To request deletion, you need to place exactly what I wrote- {{db-u1}} if it's in your user space.

Looking at your edits, you seem to want to preemptively protect your sandbox from vandalism- we do not preemptively protect pages. There must be a demonstratable problem with vandalism. Do you have reason to think that your sandbox will be vandalized? 331dot (talk) 10:00, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I am doing this because I wanna have a experience of doing this .

I apologize

Btw , what if I want to protect a page created by me ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 10:02, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Also how did you view my sandbox without adding a view to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Please make sure to properly sign your posts going forward with four tildes(~~~~) so we know you wrote them. As I said, we do not preemptively protect pages. There must be an actual problem with vandalism on a page, typically that blocking the vandals does not address. Sandboxes are not likely to be vandalized, as they are not easy to find unless someone knows it exists. I looked at your edit history, which any editor may view. 331dot (talk) 10:07, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Sinebot is signing my posts no need to sign Crazy975 (talk) 10:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

It is much preferred that you sign your own posts. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok ok but I am just doing so for practice . I was asking if it was my own page how can I protect it ?

I mean , I am trying to protect my page I order to learn this and do this more efficiently in the future Crazy975 (talk) 10:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

As I said, you can request page protection at WP:RFPP but it will not be accepted unless you have an actual problem with vandals vandalizing the page at issue. Please do not request protection unless that is the case. 331dot (talk) 10:14, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Crazy975: Your user page is not "yours" per se as explained here; it's a loaner so to speak and you're being allowed to use free of charge. Others will for the most part leave it be as long as it is in accordance with Wikipedia:User pages. However, if you start using it in an inappropriate way or adding content to it that violates some Wikipedia policy (e.g. copyright policy violations, biographies of living persons policy violations, excessively promotional content policy violations) another user or a WP:BOT may edit the page if necessary, even without warning, to remove or otherwise address those violations.

You can't protect the page or prevent others from editing it yourself; only an administrator can do that, and they will only do so as a last resort to prevent serious disruption or policy violations as explained in Wikipedia:Page protection.

You can't delete a page yourself; only an adminsitrator can delete a page. If you want a page deleted, you will need to ask an administrator to do so. There are different reasons why a page may be deleted, and you can find out some more about them in Wikipedia:Deletion policy.

Finally, anyone can see your user sandbox simply by going to page and looking at it. You can't hide the contents of the page from public view. In fact, anyone can see anything you post on any Wikipedia page as explained here. If you want to keep something private, you shouldn't post it anywhere on Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

You type "db-u1" in the pop-up. Carpimaps (talk) 11:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

"What I tell you three times is true." (Lewis Carroll). You have been told three times that protection only applies after there is evidence of vandalism. Vandalized articles get protected. At times, editors' User page are vandalized - often as revenge for edits to an article - an can also be protected. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Okokok how can I tell an administrator to delete my page? There is a reason to delete my page: it's not needed and is bagus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazy975 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC) Crazy975 (talk) 10:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I've answered this question at least twice in this discussion. 331dot (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

You can delete all content on your User page. You can delete all content on your Talk page. You can delete all content in your Sandbox. You have also been told how to use the Db function to request an Administrator to delete those pages entirely. Or, given that your account is less than a week old, delete content and abandon the account. Or, continue to be obtuse and your account will be indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 10:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok people , it's ok Crazy975 (talk) 13:44, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

This Edit War needs to end

Editors User David10244, User Tacyarg, User Kuru, User Hey man im josh, User universalsunset that Jessica Nabongo was the second Black woman to travel to every country after Woni Spotts.

User K.Nevelsteen and others keep reverting the page to say Nabongo is first and he added promotional material. Citations show that Woni Spotts is first and that Jessica Nabongo is not even second because she did not visit Syria. She visited Golan Heights, Israel, and was unable to enter Syria. She claims Guinness books said Golan Heights is Syria but Guinness is not a reliable source, according to Wikipedia. The United States and Brittanica say it's Israel.

What can be done to stablize this page? 2600:8802:3A12:E700:CD6C:5BF3:8CD1:3465 (talk) 14:57, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1183. This is not the correct venue to handle this issue. If resolving it on the talk page isn't working, you are going to want either the edit warring noticeboard or dispute resolution. Failing that, the administrators noticeboard for incidents is a last resort. Read those pages carefully in order to create a properly-formatted report. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Declined Page

Hello, My name is Toni. I tried adding a Nigerian official to Wikipedia and the review was declined. It's my first doing it. I need support on it please Toniventure (talk) 15:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Saratu Altine Umar Tails Wx 15:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Toniventure, the three sources provided don't seem to represent WP:significant coverage in WP:reliable sources that are WP:independent of the subject. They all appear to be mere announcements of her appointment, probably generated from press releases from the agency employing her. Unless the office itself is considered to confer WP:notability, she may not be notable by Wikipedia standards. I know it's a lot to take in, but please read all of those links, and then come back here to discuss. Valereee (talk) 16:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

I am concerned about a potential conflict of interest occurring on the fermion doubling article. In the resolutions section, recent edits by User:EverettYou and IP editor 65.112.8.21 have added a significant entry about Symmetric Mass Generation (SMG). The papers on this topic were primarily written by You and co-authors, and thus they cite themselves a lot, possibly too much. They are legit high quality researchers, so that's not the issue. The issue is that it seems to be a conflict of interest, leading to an undue emphasis on this particular resolution to the problem compared to others; a paragraph is now dedicated to it with 9 citations, most by You and Wang. I take the view that a sentence with one or two citations would suffice, just like the other (much more important) resolutions mentioned in the article. Compared to the other resolutions, this is a very novel one and very minor one. A lot of other minor resolutions exist that are not mentioned in the article for this same reason, but I fear that since You and IP editor 65.112.8.21 are the ones editing the article, they are placing too much emphasis on their own work.

I'm not sure how to deal with and what the correct resolution to the issue should be. OpenScience709 (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Conflict of interest related issues should be discussed at WP:COIN. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Right, thanks. How do I move this there? Or do I just re-post it there? Best, OpenScience709 (talk) 14:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@OpenScience709, just post it there in a new section. Valereee (talk) 16:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Citing offline sources template

Hello, would appreciate some guidance as far as how to (and also if it’s okay) cite offline sources? ie. Older newspaper articles etc. what would the template look like? Thank you all Owlman67a (talk) 15:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Owlman67a Welcome to Wikipedia. Offline sources are fine: see WP:OFFLINE. The standard templates such as {{cite news}} work perfectly well. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Mike! That‘s great! Owlman67a (talk) 16:44, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Owlman67a. The most important thing when citing offline sources is to provide complete bibliographic information. For a newspaper article, this includes the full title, the author(s) if listed, the name of the newspaper (Wikilinked if the newspaper has an article), the city of publication if not part of the name of the newspaper, the publication date, and the page number. Cullen328 (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Effort to correct Japanese naming convention

I am very new to this and hope this is the right place to ask. In Japanese, the correct order of speaking someone's name is their family name followed by their first name. Across Wikipedia and many other western sources of information this order is reversed. Where might one go to discuss potentially changing this policy, so that the family name is put first? Alonewestand (talk) 17:14, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Alonewestand Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Perhaps I misunderstand you, but if you want to change all articles about people so that their family name is first, so that Joe Biden would be "Biden Joe", that is not going to happen. Articles about people are titled by the most commonly used name for the person, and based in their culture. Japanese names should be as they are in Japan, and names in Western countries like the US/UK should be as they are there. If you still wish to attempt to change the policy, the Village Pump is the best place to start. 331dot (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I think I did misunderstand, so I am striking this. Please disregard. 331dot (talk) 17:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

However, "correcting", say, the people at List of Japanese Americans is not the way to go. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Alonewestand en-WP:s guidance on this is at WP:JTITLE. If there is something there you wish to discuss changing, the place to start is the talkpage of that page. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Alonewestand (talk) 18:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Note also that there are templates like this:

The article Yoko Ono is titled per WP:COMMONNAME. Because, you know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:47, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

When can I remove the Orphan message?

I added a link on a different page, but the message is still there. Can I remove it myself? Or does someone else have to do it for me? Concerning page: Battle of Poti (1993) Thanks! GeneralCraft65 (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Maintenance messages like that do not get removed (or placed) automaticall, GeneralCraft65. If you believe the message no longer applies, you may remove it. ColinFine (talk) 14:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

The template doesn't go away on its own. It has to be manually removed. You can remove it yourself.Cwater1 (talk) 14:31, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine, @Cwater1: BattyBot has been removing unneeded {{orphan}} templates for over a decade when an article has more than two incoming links. I try to run it at least once a month.

@GeneralCraft65: I added a link from Occupation of Poti to Battle of Poti (1993). One more incoming link, and BattyBot will remove the template on its next run. Or, you could remove it manually as suggested above. GoingBatty (talk) 20:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@GeneralCraft65, when I look at the list of 'what links here', there are only a few links. It's a fairly long article with plenty of outgoing links; the thing to do is assess each of those links to see if a link back to the Battle of Poti is appropriate. Don't try to shoehorn anything in, but if there's a natural place to link back, place that link. Once you've connected as many links as you can back to that article, remove the tag. Valereee (talk) 16:27, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding to an Wikipedia article a reference to one's own research?

My book 'There was a garden in Nuremberg' is based on known facts bolstered by research. Though it is a novel, it includes a reference list to the sources consulted. Those sources are in a foreign language, so may not be accessible to an English speaker. May I insert the details of my book where relevant? As an example, the page of Benno Martin has a narrow coverage which I can expand. My knowledge is based on a German book by Hugo Grieser, "Himmlers Mann in Nuernberg" published by the Nuremberg City Archive. Thanks! Michalsuz Michalsuz2 (talk) 02:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Michalsuz2: It would be best if you cited the original sources, even if not in English. Non-English sources are not a problem. If you want to cite your own book, don't do it. You may suggest it on the article talk page and see what others say about it. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, thank you! Shall do. Michalsuz2 (talk) 03:11, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

You can't cite a novel as a source for historical facts. If the sources are published secondary sources, cite those. -- asilvering (talk) 03:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes of course, I should have thought of that myself. Michalsuz2 (talk) 03:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Michalsuz2, when English language sources are abundant, as when writing about any American president or British monarch, then the best of those English language sources are preferred as references. When English language sources are sparse and sources in other languages are clearly superior, then it is perfectly acceptable to cite sources in other languages. Just provide complete bibliographic details and be prepared to furnish translations of the relevant passages if asked. Cullen328 (talk) 08:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

I slightly disagree. Obviously the fictional section of the novel cannot be quoted as factual. That includes actual events that were put in the book, because it would take original research to know what is and is not fictional. For instance, The Prague Cemetery includes many accurate details about the Expedition of the Thousand, but it would be improper to cite it for those details.

However, a novel might include a preface, or notes by a translator, or similar material of a non-fictional nature. Those could conceivably be cited. The usual precautions apply - an editor of a Shakespeare anthology might be reliable when it comes to the evolution of the sonnet form, but not about 16th-century Netherlands trade; the preface of "Alien Jewish Templars made the Pyramids and 9/11" is probably unreliable for anything. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:37, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't think we do disagree! All of those are "secondary sources", not the novel itself. -- asilvering (talk) 21:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Noob trying to deal sensibly with edit war

Hi! In my first few non-anonymous edits I'm being reverted and have hit a three-edit limit. Well and good, I can see its a controversial topic, I'll calm down and try to resolve. But I've been told I can't refer to court judgements. Is this right? I can't find a rule? One ninety three lordy me (talk) 22:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

One ninety three lordy me, I'm puzzled by your reference to your "first few non-anonymous edits". Your list of contributions shows an editing history of just one day, but within this one day what I think is a list of more bytes shunted in and out of more articles than I've ever achieved/perpetrated in a single day during well over a decade of editing. Calming down might beneficially include limiting your substantive edits (as opposed to fixing spelling mistakes and the like) to two or three articles in any one day. As for your question, you're welcome to refer to accounts in reliable sources of court judgments. Court judgments themselves? No. -- Hoary (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@One ninety three lordy me You seem to have been given a very detailed explanation at User_talk:Ponyo#Q around court documents. Important court decisions are likely to have been reported in WP:SECONDARY sources such as newspapers, which provided they are reliable sources, are preferred. Mike Turnbull (talk) 23:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mike Turnbull Yeah I just saw the detailed response and it makes sense - I should have waited for it

@Hoary I chose topics on the introduction tutorial and I got a list of suggested pages to edit! I was having fun too

Sorry to bother, I don't think this place is for me. One ninety three lordy me (talk) 23:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

I need to delete this image

Banana4516 (talk) 00:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Banana4516 Welcome to Teahouse! Do you mean this image File:Logo_for_Chungbuk_University.png? What is your rationale for deleting it? Wikipedia:Files for discussion has some example criterias for removing files hosted on Wikipedia (as opposed to Wikimedia Commons). ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I tried to update my uni's logo, but now I'm worrying about the 'copyright'. I think that I've violated copyright policy Banana4516 (talk) 00:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Banana4516, no, you should be completely fine. User:DatBot has automatically made the file smaller and has tagged the previous non-free versions of the file for deletion. This means that the image complies with WP:FAIRUSE (or will in a short time). Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh really?? Thank you so much 🥺 Banana4516 (talk) 01:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Editing Child sex abuse article which is semi-protected

This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. I need help getting started with editing, and was invited to visit the Teahouse. Sukusala (talk) 15:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Sukusala, I recommend you file an edit request on the article's talk page to propose the changes you want to see implemented in the article. You can read examples of sample edit requests in the sample edit requests page. I'd recommend proposing small, incremental changes as you are a new editor. I'm sure the editors in the article's talk page will gladly help you out :) — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 16:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Just realized you are indeed autoconfirmed as extended confirmation supersedes autoconfirmation and were able to edit the page, my apologies. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 16:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Sukusala (talk) 16:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Suskala, I think you're asking how to get started editing that page? What is it you want to do there? Do you understand our WP:sourcing requirements for changing content? Valereee (talk) 16:20, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Ugh, broke the ping. @Sukusala. Valereee (talk) 16:20, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee, I added some new sections. I hope it's alright. Sukusala (talk) 18:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sukusala, the way we know is if other editors revert. If that happens, open a section at the article talk and ping them to discuss. Valereee (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Wasell was the editor who reverted all of your edits. By pinging here, telling Wasell that you wish to go ahead with some of the revisions - asking which OK and which not. The article's Talk page, where you have started a discussion, is the right place going forward. David notMD (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Topicons

Is there a page that lists all the topicons? ✠ Robertus Pius ✠ (Talk • Contribs) 04:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Category:Top icon templates is probably a good start. Shells-shells (talk) 06:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Travis Fimmel Page Addition

Hello, I just finished watching 3 mini episodes on the Roku channel called "50 States of Fright". Travis Fimmel stars in the episodes called "The Golden Arm (Michigan)" Season 1 Episodes 1-3. It was created in 2020. His character's name is Dave. I'm not up for the editing, but I was hoping it may be simple enough to install. Web pages can be easily found to back the information. Would someone be interested in adding this? 2600:6C48:5400:7EB0:6496:5E80:D8B2:6B2A (talk) 03:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

If you want some information corrected in or added to the article Travis Fimmel, then you're free to suggest this -- of course specifying a reliable source or two -- at the foot of Talk:Travis Fimmel. If on the other hand you want somebody to create an article, or a set of three articles, this is unlikely to happen, as everyone has their own interests. You could, however, create the draft for an article yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 06:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

The shortcut is WP:GOFIXIT. Cullen328 (talk) 08:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Under the heading of the sacraments of the lcc , I added what the seven sacraments are and somebody calling themselves the light keeper, say's it was not constructive . Really ? What dose the light keeper know about the sacraments?.

Under the heading of the sacraments of the lcc , I added what the seven sacraments are and somebody calling themselves the light keeper, say's it was not constructive . Really ? What does the light keeper know about the sacraments?. 101.100.129.61 (talk) 03:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

What you wrote violated the WP:NPOV policy and you did not cite a source, violating the WP:Verifiability policy. Expertise is not required, sources are what matter. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:21, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that was a horrible edit, completely inappropriate for many reasons for a neutrally and competently written encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 08:40, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

You're asking about this edit. TheLightDeveloper did the right thing, and I warmly agree with Anachronist. Incidentally, even if your edit hadn't violated "WP:NPOV" and had cited a source, I'd have reverted it for its misuse of capitalization. -- Hoary (talk) 06:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Started a draft related to Donald Trump. Could someone look at it and let me know if the topic would even be worthy of a mainspace article if it is a fully developed draft?

I just created a draft about possible indictments against former president Donald Trump at Draft:Indictments against Donald Trump. Could someone (or multiple people) look at it and let me know if the topic, if the draft is fully developed, might possibly be noteable enough for a mainspace article? I don't want to continue working on it if there is a low chance that it is. That is also why it is a very short draft at the moment. I am leaning towards the article being noteable since several criminal cases that may lead to indictments have been covered by major news services a ton. There are also already several mainspace articles either directly about some of those criminal cases, or that have sections in them about one or more of those cases.

Thanks in advance to anyone who takes a look at the draft I just started. Greshthegreat (talk) 02:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Response on talk page of draft. Slywriter (talk) 02:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Greshthegreat: I think it's too soon for such an article. There would have to be more than one actual indictments against Trump for such an article to be relevant. GoingBatty (talk) 02:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok. In that case I'll just keep the draft up as is (unless no indictments are given in the next few months, as I don't want to keep a draft not ready for the mainspace up forever), and maybe make a few minor edits. Unless he is indicted, in which case I'd help really expand the draft. I do think just one indictment would be noteable enough for an article, and multiple wouldn't be necessary, since no former U.S. president has ever been indicted. That alone would make an indictment against Trump a very big deal, let alone anything else regarding it, such as what the criminal case itself is/was about. Greshthegreat (talk) 02:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Greshthegreat: The WP:CRYSTAL policy is applicable here. The draft is speculative at this point. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Good to know about those policies. Your right that it is largely speculative, in this case, as to wether Trump will be indicted or not in any of his criminal cases. In that case, it definitely will remain as a draft unless Trump is in fact indicted or he isn't in the next few months, and in that case deleting the draft might be considered depending on the situation then. Greshthegreat (talk) 04:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Greshthegreat, perhaps you know this, but drafts that are unedited for 6 months gets automatically deleted (you get a warning first, so you can make a "saving" edit if you want). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

In my experience any warning notice notice about deletion of a draft after 6 months is usually followed within minutes by actual deletion. It can be appealed, see WP:REFUND. But I'm sure by then we will either have a notable topic... or a non-story. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, but it seems you get a 5-months warning before that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

This topic is not notable now but it could well be notable in days or weeks to come. Be patient and ready to update your draft. Being first on a breaking story is not a prize or a badge of honor. Quality editing is vastly more important than a "scoop". Cullen328 (talk) 08:49, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Still...

"He appended links to a couple of sources deemed “reliable” by the community—NPR and The Washington Post—clicked save, and notified some other editors about his article. It was tentatively titled “January 2021 Donald Trump Rally.”"

But fully agree on quality editing, of course. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Advice needed over review process of draft page

Hello, Newbie here, so apologies if I've done anything idiotic. I created a draft for a page on a company I used to work for and have submitted it for review. I'm looking for advice on anything I should/can do to improve the chances of it being reviewed in the quickest possible time. No doubt because of my inexperience, I'm not sure exactly where the page now sits and if it can be lost in the system. So, any advice and knowledge you could share about 'what happens next' and what more I should do would be gratefully received. Thanks in advance, Simon PageSJ (talk) 14:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Innova Market Insights - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

PageSJ, I recommend reading Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. This will help you understand what the Wikipedia community's expectations are regarding your link to the company.

Regarding your draft, the draft won't disappear or get lost in the system. It is now "waiting for review", meaning an experienced editor will look at it and then either accept the submission or give feedback on how to improve the page. The guideline Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) contains information on how the reviewer will judge the submission's notability (i.e. if it merits having an article on Wikipedia). Hope this helps! If not, please feel free to notify me of further questions using the {{u}} or {{ping}} templates (for information on how to use templates, see Help:A quick guide to templates). — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 14:56, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. That's demystified it for me. I'll also properly read those links. Really appreciate the response. PageSJ (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Simon, and welcome to the Teahouse. Well, the first couple of citations are to articles by (or quoting) somebody from Innova. They will not help your draft get accepted, not one tiny little bit. They do not count in any way towards establishing the company as notable, and they may very well be a turnoff for a reviewer who has to wade through them to see if there are any independent sources - which are what you need. And looking through the list of citations, I'm not hopeful that any of them are independent sources which devote significant coverage to the company. If I'm wrong, get rid of all the dross so that the independent sources are easily seen - and make sure that only what is in those independent sources goes into the article: remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

If you haven't got sources that meet 42, give up and write about something else. ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the trouble to reply and give advice. I was trying to establish the company is real and long standing. Much of the coverage will be trade press - nature of the beast, etc. I'll search around for other more acceptable sources. Appreciate the feedback. Cheers. PageSJ (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, again. Trade press can be helpful, but often they just either print a press release (not independent), or report routine activities like appointing directors or issuing annual report (not significant coverage). If Innova is a name that is only known to industry insiders, it may very well not be notable in Wikipedia's terms. ColinFine (talk) 19:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I understand. I'll seek out more independent sources. PageSJ (talk) 20:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@PageSJ, something that's often counterintuitive for new editors is that "real and longstanding" isn't what Wikipedia cares about. It literally doesn't matter to us that the subject exists. What we care about, when deciding whether a subject should have an article, is at least three instances of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. And to start out with we'd actually prefer you don't provide more than three. We want to see the three best sources. That lets us assess notability without having to wade through 35 sources that may or may not support a claim to notability. Which three and only three of those sources best represent significant coverage in independent reliable sources? Valereee (talk) 20:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. You're absolutely right, I would have thought the opposite. Am I better off removing most of the sources in the first instance and leaving just a few significant sources? My concern is also the need to back up the entire content of the draft. I'm trying to avoid showing notability only, but then leaving a lot of 'citation needed' copy. Cheers, Simon PageSJ (talk) 06:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@PageSJ, no, you don't need to remove sources. (Although nothing is ever lost, a previous version is always available to be restored, as long as there were no copyright violations and a few other limited cases where content is deleted completely, and even then an admin can usually help.) What you need to do is figure out which of the 35 sources are the three and only three best for supporting a claim to notability. ColinFine's post above gives links to read to help you figure out which of the sources are the three best. Valereee (talk) 13:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Foreign Website/Book Template for Citations

Hi,

What's the citation code for a Foreign Website/Book Template?

Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 12:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "citation code", KatoKungLee. I guess that by "foreign" you mean "in a language other than English". If so, then Template:Cite book and Template:Cite web both have attributes allowing you to present the title, etc, in non-Roman script, to specify the language, to provide an English translation of the title, etc, and more. If you have a specific question about one or other of these templates, feel free to ask. -- Hoary (talk) 12:59, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, that's perfect.KatoKungLee (talk) 13:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Lord

Hi there, I made changes to Geoff Lord's page however it has now reverted to the old information again. I can't see any communication notifying me what I did incorrectly so I can ensure that the new information is used. Are you able to assist? Fairlight6 (talk) 00:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Fairlight6: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1183. The revert in question (which you can see by going to Special:History/Geoff Lord) was concerned that your edit had a promotional tone. Looking at phrases like

Geoff Lord’s mission in life is to get one million kids moving[1] every year via Belgravia Group’s various initiatives including learn to swim programs.

and

Geoff puts his success in business down to persistence, determination and empowering his teams, and lives by a quote by Calvin Coolidge

it was an appropriate revert. Please review Wikipedia:NOTPROMOTION, as that is not the goal of Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:21, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help Tenryuu. I will remove those phrases and anything else I think might sound like promotion. Is there a way to edit the content that I originally changed, or do I need to start from scratch with my editing? Fairlight6 (talk) 01:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, your image is in violation of copyright so I tagged it for speedy deletion. You have to show they released the image under a creative commons license or it is in the public domain. PalauanReich (talk) 01:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Fairlight6, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The version with all your edits is still there in the article's history, and you can copy sections of it to use.

I suggest that you make a number of smaller edits rather than one big one, so if parts of it are still felt to be promotional, only those parts will be reverted. ColinFine (talk) 12:36, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Please note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 12:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Fairlight6 Also note that people are referred to by their last name, not their first name. So, don't use "Geoff" in the article; instead, use "Lord". David10244 (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Questions about posting photos

Hello. I really need some help with adding photos to one wikipedia page. I have added several photos to the page of Marian Lupu (english and russian version). He is currently the President of the Supreme Audit Institution of the Republic of Moldova, used to be the President of the Parliament of Moldova and even the interim President of the Republic. In wikipedia there is only one photo with him and Dmitrii Medvedev, which is not relevant. Mr. Lupu had a lot of meetings with officials and I wanted to add photos that show his relation with personalities around the world. I have put photos on his wikipedia pages, but they were deleted. Why did that happen? Isn't it ok to add photos, if they are personal ones, photographed by the photographer of Mr. Lupu and are his own photos. Thank you very much! CristinaHanganu (talk) 06:31, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

CristinaHanganu Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You added a large number of images- probably too many- and claimed them as your own work in terms of copyright. This would mean that you personally took them with your own camera. Is that true? Do you work for the Moldovan government or represent Marian Lupu? 331dot (talk) 06:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

CristinaHanganu, when you wrote photographed by the photographer of Mr. Lupu and are his own photos, then that is powerful evidence that these photos are not your "own work" and have therefore been improperly licensed. The copyright is held either by the photographer, or if he or she has a written contract assigning the copyright, it is then held by Marian Lupu. But not by you, except under exceptionally unusual circumstances. Only the copyright holder and no other person can freely license a photo, and the licensing must be done correctly. This is a legal transaction. Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

I might try to find a place at Commons to suggest that "Own Work" is changed to "My Own Work". Isn't that a bit more emphatic? David10244 (talk) 13:21, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Apart from the question of licensing, CristinaHanganu, I wonder what encyclopaedic purpose would be served by "photos that show his relation with personalities around the world"? If the meetings in question were significant, and described with sources in the text of the article, that's one thing; but otherwise that sounds like promotion to me. The one photo still there is not tied to anything in the text (Medvedev is not mentioned in the text), but that's probably OK for one photo, but not for several. ColinFine (talk) 13:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Whether it would be appropriate to turn the article into a ten-photo-gallery is of course questionable and should be dealt with at trhe article talk page. However, Wikimedia Commons would be happy to host as many different photos as one can get under a proper license. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:30, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Castor Wheel Manufacturers

We are one of the leading Castor Wheels manufacturers in India. We offer high-quality wide range of castor wheels that are implemented to different specific purposes at commercial and residential premises. Our range includes Bobby Castors, Mini Six Wheel and Six Wheel Castors, Four Wheel Castors, Eight Wheel Castors, Delrin With Bearing, Ball Castor Plates, Twin Wheel Castors, and Fixed Castors. As a Castor Wheels manufacturer, we make it a point to offer products that have a very smooth gliding effect on tiles as well as carpets, thus making it useful in sofas, tables, chairs, and other various furniture items to achieve mobility while adding a modern look. Kaizonhardware (talk) 12:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Kaizonhardware. You appear to be mistaking Wikipedia for a business directory, or social media. It is neither: see what Wikipedia is not. If your company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there could be an article on it. Such an article would not belong to your or your company, would not be controlled by you, would not necessarily say what you wanted it to say, and would be based on what people wholly unconnected with your company had chosen to publish about your company (good and bad), not on what you or your associates say or want to say. ColinFine (talk) 12:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

So what ? Fishing Publication (talk) 12:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

So, the advice by ColinFine is that it is extremely unlikely that a company that makes castor wheels rises to qualify as the subject of an article. Kaizonhardware - who's User name is disqualifying as being that of a company - should look at WP:BACKWARD and WP:42 to decide if references can by found that meet Wikipedia's requirements. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, but I wasn't replying to him, I understood his comments perfectly well, I was replying to the other gentleman, a sort of a more pointed challenge to his remarks about the wheels Fishing Publication (talk) 13:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

So, @Fishing Publication, "So what?" is not really a helpful comment here at Teahouse, where we try to treat extremely new editors with kindness, even those whose contributions show they misunderstand what Wikipedia is about. I see that you are very new yourself, and we do welcome your contributions here, but it's better to just read here for a while so you can learn the culture before you start answering posts. Valereee (talk) 14:35, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

That wasn't even a request for help. It didn't even ask a question. It was nothing more than an advertisement placed on this page, pure and simple. It should have been reverted on sight, not used as a starting point for discussion. I'm going to block that account now. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Meh, I think it's an implied request of 'shouldn't there be an article about us?' Possibly created by someone whose first language isn't English. Agree with the block for username vio, though. :D Valereee (talk) 15:15, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

User Malfunctions

When would be a good time to use a user malfunction button if they have a button on their user page? Give me some examples. AirmanKitten203 (talk) 15:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @AirmanKitten203, welcome to the Teahouse. What do you mean by a "user malfunction button"? If the account is a bot, there is often a Stop button of some kind, but there is no such thing for regular users (unless they put something up on their user page for fun, in which case there are no rules about it, other than any they may add along with the button). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok. AirmanKitten203 (talk) 15:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@AirmanKitten203: Judging by your userpage, you are asking about the language at Template:Emergency-user-slap. That is an in-Wikipedia joke combining two things:

WP:TROUT: an internet tradition of (virtually) slapping another user with a trout when they did something silly. See that page. On Wikipedia, "trouting" refers to placing one of the various trout templates on a userpage. That serves to communicate that a user did something silly, not serious enough to warrant actual sanctions, but serious enough to deserve a "formal" (?) warning.
Template:EBS: the emergency stop button for bots (= automated accounts) which says Administrators: Use this button if the bot is malfunctioning. Non-administrators can report a malfunctioning bot to ANI.

The emergency-user-slap template uses wording similar to the EBS template, implying that users can be "malfunctioning", for humorous effect. (As usual, a joke is not very funny when it needs to be explained.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:36, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I should have read more about it before asking a question. Thank you for your time and sorry for the disruption. AirmanKitten203 (talk) 15:38, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Don’t worry about it AirmanKitten203. The Teahouse welcomes any (Wikipedia-related) question, no matter how simple it may seem once one knows the answer. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Marin Local Music

Hi everyone. My "suggested edits" list took me to the Wikipedia article on "Marin Local Music", and I noticed that the article looks like an advertisement rather than an unbiased encyclopedia entry. There are some links to news articles on the topic, but they appear to be promotional in nature. How do I get the page deleted or reviewed by other editors? Yellowstone caldera (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Yellowstone caldera: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could add yet another template (e.g. {{notability}}), but the article has had templates on it for almost a decade. You could also follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion if you like. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your response and for your guidance. I appreciate it! I will definitely take a look at the instructions. I will return if I need more help. Yellowstone caldera (talk) 17:53, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Why am I getting a warning of "In response to an ongoing pattern of abuse, an automated filter has prevented this edit." when I am following instructions of "Consider letting the authors know on their talk page"? I want to let authors know, but I am being warned and blocked. Yellowstone caldera (talk) 18:10, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Yellowstone caldera, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know what's triggered the filter (it just says "Talk page disruption"); but I notice that Band of Mountains's only contribution to Marin Local Music was to remove some material ("deleted unnecessary material of personal opinions with no source"), so it doesn't look as if they have any particular investment or interest in the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Editor Reinserting Odd Change; Now What?

I'm having a bit of a content dispute with a user for my first time. AsaneBane still hasn't ceased adding the irrelevant addition to Bane (DC Comics) despite my pushback and now I'm at the stage where I don't know what I am doing. How can one get this resolved? ~GoatLordServant^(Talk) 18:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, GoatLordServant, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Dispute resolution for the options. ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Bhai Nand Lal source translation

So this is more or less a follow up to my previous post I made yesterday. I’m copy-editing the page Bhai Nand Lal, and there’s a line which is very unclear (in the careers section). I am trying to check the source, and it appears to be a long book called Mahan Kosh (Sikh encyclopedia?) in Punjabi. The page referenced is page 2597, and English translations I could get are only available till 2000 pages (roughly). Any help would be appreciated in translating page 2597 of this encyclopedia.

Referenced source link (download the second one, it’s already dropped down for you):https://rarasahib.com/online-library/#fbb2a23be9a59ca04 Vamsi20 (talk) 02:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could also try using WikiBlame to determine which editor added the line, and ask them for clarification. You could also post your question on the article's talk page - Talk:Bhai Nand Lal - and specify exactly which sentence you find unclear. You could post on the appropriate WikiProject talk page(s) and ask editors to respond to the article talk page discussion. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Vamsi20 (talk) 19:07, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

What to do when the information you want to link to is at a specific point in an article

I noticed that the mushroom kingdom page has refrence to subcon but doesnt explain it. I wanted to link to the mario article that contained the information on it but it is in one of the fold up tab things and not visible from page open. Can I use the link system that some articles use to bring you directly to the fold tab and if so how would I go about that? Vagus in mundos litterarum (talk) 19:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Vagus, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure quite where you want to link to (I can't find a section about subcon in any of the Mario articles) but in general you can link to a specific section of an article by using "#" and then the section title. So if you mean the section "Gameplay" in the article "Super Mario Bros. 2" then

[[Super Mario Bros. 2]]

links to the article, but

[[Super Mario Bros. 2#Gameplay]]

links to that section thus: Super Mario Bros. 2#Gameplay. ColinFine (talk) 20:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you that really helped and yes the link was for smb2 gameplay. Vagus in mundos litterarum (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry investigations

Am I allowed to file a SPI even if both of the accounts I suspect to be sockpuppets are indef blocked and unable to create an account? Shadow of the Starlit Sky (talk) 17:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Shadow of the Starlit Sky welcome to Teahouse! I checked the talk page archive, it seems there are differing opinions. The active harm caused by an indef blocked user is lower, but it can be useful for establishing a larger paper trail/archive of actions taken in an investigation. See Wikipedia_talk:Sockpuppet_investigations/Archives/Archive12#Reporting_socks_already_blocked_as_socks ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

AngelsAndOwls

This user has been adding categories indiscriminately for a long time, adding unnecessary categories to the categories.(Special:Diff/1129730778、Special:Diff/1131672435、Special:Diff/1129764643、Special:Diff/1146054992、Special:Diff/1146055177、Special:Diff/1146055286) 寒吉 (talk) 06:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I do not appreciate you coming to my talk page issuing me with ‘warnings’ instead of opening up a discussion on why you feel certain categories should not be linked. If you provide your rationale properly, and in an adult fashion, rather than start an edit war, that would be helpful. I feel that you are just removing categories from pages/categories at random, rather than understanding the rationale of why they were added and the important of that to the scope of the ongoing projects. Please stop issuing ‘warnings’ to fellow Wikipedians, it is sinister and intimidating. AngelsAndOwls (talk) 07:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Crowsus@Denniscabrams. 寒吉 (talk) 07:15, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

AngelsAndOwls, how well do you understand categorization, and how responsive are you to routine criticism of your edits? Issuing warnings is very far from "sinister and intimidating". Where did you cook up this uncollaborative wording? I really want to understand your motivation for this wording. Cullen328 (talk) 07:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Genuine question, how often do you start a rational and constructive conversation on something with ‘WARNING’? AngelsAndOwls (talk) 07:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

He wouldn't answer the question about categories.XD 寒吉 (talk) 07:32, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

That is a separate discussion I will come back to when we have first established why I find your leaving of ‘warnings’ first rather than opening up constructive dialogue on the talk page intimidation. A look at your archived talk page clearly shows you have a habit of opening up arguments, edit wars, being generally aggressive and turning Wikipedia into a battleground. All I asked for was civil dialogue first. AngelsAndOwls (talk) 07:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

You cann't accept a warning is your problem, I have right give you a warning if I want, and it's necessary. I am autopatroller, former new page patroller and former rollbacker in zhwiki, I don't need someone talk to me I cann't give you a warning, or teach me how to add appropriate category, that will be funny. 寒吉 (talk) 07:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

And there we have it. All I ask for is you use a little bit of common sense and common courtesy and open up a discussion FIRST on why you are taking an action. Primarily because educating fellow Wikipedians is more constructive for all, and secondly because open dialogue that is civil is generally nicer. But your response is basically ‘i have power, I’ll use my power’ and that’s fair enough. Go use your power. AngelsAndOwls (talk) 07:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1146178882、Special:Diff/1146179100, genius. 寒吉 (talk) 07:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Why make such childish insults? Please be constructive and civil. AngelsAndOwls (talk) 07:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

It's not insult, it's praise. 寒吉 (talk) 07:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

No, it was an insult. And it’s childish. But here we go, for example, why couldn’t you open a talk page dialogue on why you remove Sports clubs established in 1890 but leave the other similar year categories? Constructive dialogue educates others. AngelsAndOwls (talk) 07:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@AngelsAndOwls Hi, as in our previous discussion on the subject, these above are examples of overcategorization. Great Britain national baseball team people does not need to be in Baseball in the United Kingdom directly because it is correctly part of Great Britain national baseball team, which is correctly under Baseball in the United Kingdom. No need for Canadian expatriate baseball players in the United Kingdom‎ to be in Baseball in the United Kingdom directly because it (and the American one) are correctly in Expatriate baseball players in the United Kingdom‎ which is also correctly under Baseball in the United Kingdom. I can see you created most of these forks, and they are all valid as far as I can see (BTW is there really only 1 notable Canadian and 1 American who has played in the UK?), apart from then undermining the tree structure by adding its own parents. There is no need to be adding person categories to a team article just because they are on the same subject. As for 寒吉 removing the categories as I had done previously, I appreciate it can be annoying as it appears to be being done unilaterally, but in many cases when checking categories it is unnecessarily tedious to investigate which user added which categories (in some cases, mistakes go unnoticed for months or years due to low view numbers) and contact them about each contribution; as long as one feels they are in the right, I believe it would come under WP:BRD to remove what one feels to be an invalid category, but to bear in mind it may be challenged and reverted. Personally I don't ever do warning messages for anyone but it's fairly standard practice. Crowsus (talk) 07:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

As always, i 100% appreciate and understand your thoughtful and constructive feedback. This proves my point entirely, we all get along much better and Wikipedia is a much nicer place for all when we just talk it over in a civil manner. Thank you. AngelsAndOwls (talk) 08:02, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

AngelsAndOwls, we don't add a category to an article if the category doesn't already exist (unless perhaps we intend to create the category in a matter of minutes). That aside, I read: instead of keep undoing the work, raise the topic on the talk pages of those. If you believe that I am unwittingly (or deliberately) damaging a single article, you're welcome to address me either on that article's talk page or on my talk page. If on the other hand you believe that I am damaging a number of articles, and in a similar way (or the same way), then pointing this out on the talk page of each is wasteful, and my talk page is better. Starting a warning with "WARNING" is quite OK in this website. (Norms of communication here aren't what they are elsewhere.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. In this case the categories did/do exist and the removal of categories was for over categorisation, which would have been helpful to have been explained rather than just immediately throwing out a ‘warning’. As I’ve said, they do have a habit of combative behaviour as per their archived talk page. It’s fine, it’s dealt with, i just would appreciate more constructive and civil ways of operating than shown today. But if that isn’t the ‘norm’ then so be it. AngelsAndOwls (talk) 08:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Forced language reform

Hello. I am a member of a minority language (not part of UNESCO yet) which has it's own Wikipedia space(Vikipedeja). Recently we experienced a split in society, caused by a few people pushing trough a language reform and getting it approved by the national language institute. As a result, half of the people write with rules approved 2017, and half with historical rules of 1933. Just as an example, the biggest change would be the erasing of the letter "ō" and replacing it with "uo". Now the new law permits the equal use of both, but it still remains unfair, as the new one is forcing out the old one. Same issue with the Wiki. Someone has converted all pages to the new writing style. For some it now feels hard to read and tbh (personal opinion) feels like an insult as well.

Is it possible to do something about this? Like split a separate page or separate language version? Tehnically, we could simply adjust the existing pages, but I am not sure if engaging into a "edit-war" would be wise. Thank you for the advice in advance.

instead of keeping in f useair, all pages have been 90.139.250.80 (talk) 22:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not clear on if this issue is on this version of Wikipedia or another. We can't really help you with issues on another version. 331dot (talk) 22:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

This sounds like a discussion to have on Vikipedeja, not here. You could spin out an "old orthography" version if you wanted to host one, though - there's no prohibition against creating new Wikipedia mirrors as far as I'm aware. -- asilvering (talk) 22:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome IP user to Teahouse. English Wikipedia isn't necessarily the most helpful place to ask for support, but as a feature it exists on other language editions, for example Chinese Wikipedia has both simplified and traditional Mandarin mapping, Kazakh Wikipedia § Features maps Arabic, Cyrillic and Roman characters. I also attached a link so others know what Wikipedia edition you are referring to.

Courtesy link: ltg:Suoku puslopa

I think your best place for requesting support is meta:Requests for new languages#Wikipedia. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I think this is about one of the many language-versions of Wikipedia. The courtesy link provided about does not help me, as I can't read the language of the page it links to. I wonder if the language is one spoken in Ugandi, the south-easternmost province of Estonia. It might help if the OP would give the English name of the language. Maproom (talk) 00:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The link is to the Latgalian language Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 10:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Citing historical newspapers accessed via a subscription to the British Newspaper Archive

Can someone advise how I should correctly cite a historical newspaper accessed via a subscription to the British Newspaper Archive?

I have currently used this citation: ^[1]

However, this refers non-subscribers to the website's registration page. Any suggestions would be very gratefully received!

^ Christmas, Linda (1969-03-07). "It's all a dream to Irene Evans..." Middlesex County Times. Retrieved 2023-03-08.

WriterGP (talk) 10:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Sources don't necessarily have to be free. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 11:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@WriterGP What you have is a typical WP:OFFLINE source (the newspaper itself) which you happen to have been able to look at via the archive. The inclusion of the URL is just for the convenience of (some) readers who could access it that way. One suggestion would be to include the page number of the piece, which would assist readers who might be verifying the content in some other way, for example via a library or alternative archive. Another thing you could do is to use the |quote= parameter of {{cite news}} to restate the actual words in the newspaper that back up what you say in the Wikipedia text, assuming the quote wouldn't be too lengthy. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Copyvio

I noticed that in one article, some of the content was just the content from the sources that were translated from Google Translate and copy pasted. If the original text is translated into another language via google translate, is this considered copyvio? Shadow of the Starlit Sky (talk) 12:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The translation is considered a derivative work, and any copyright on the original work applies. If the original source was in copyright, then this would be copyvio, yes. (And even if it were not in copyright, unless it were properly attributed it would violate WP:PLAGIARISM – in particular WP:NONENGPLAG.) Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

A question

How do people edit their pages with images? Is it html or a custom Wikipedia type of thing. 2603:8080:200:5519:D456:178E:49C0:D9C7 (talk) 14:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP and welcome to the Teahouse! Technically everything on Wikipedia and the web in general is HTML since that is the basis of the entire web. Technicalities aside though, assuming you mean adding an image to an article, it is usually done by adding [[File:IMAGENAME.ext]] to the article, with IMAGENAME.ext being the name of the image as it appears when you go to the page for the image itself along with the file extension (usually it will be .png or .jpg/jpeg for images). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi there! The answer to your question depends on whether you're using Wikipedia's source editor or the VisualEditor. I suggest you visit Help:Introduction and click on the appropriate "Images" button. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:19, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

How do I appeal an ANI editing restriction

I had a few editing restrictions put on me recently. While I'm fine with the majority of them. One of them I believe was applied without proper justification and is quite deleterious. How can I appeal an individual restriction? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:02, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Immanuelle. You should probably have a read of this; in this case, looks like you'd be appealing at WP:AN, whether you're appealing one restriction, some or all of them. I should probably warn you that you need to be very sure of your ground before issuing such a challenge, because it could possibly be seen as further evidence of disruption. Consider your options carefully. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Writing a page about Global Citizens Community. Its currently nominated for speedy deletion, what to do...

Please advise Philanthropist Evan (talk) 15:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Note: the OP has been blocked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Question

Is it alright to create articles of variants of vehicles. for example. would i be allowed to create a article about the Sd,kfz 6/2. the AA variant of the Sd.Kfz.6. despite them being basically the same Some Random Dingus (talk) 15:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Some Random Dingus: Welcome to the Teahouse! For the general answer to your question, see the guideline at WP:PRODUCTS. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Google search results in wiki talking readers to my talk page Talk:Lee Youn Chin

Hi Wiki helpers,

Problems 1) redirect issue? 2) Category Lee Youn Chin in red? 3)Google search shows Talk:Lee Youn Chin and not the article!

I'd appreciate to know how my new article on- Lee Youn Chin would not take readers to wiki talk page.

Please help what code I must put to redirect to the Article and not Talk.

I tried #redirect from the Talk page thinking it would fix, instead it now shows on my redirect Draft Talk!!!

Only by Clicking on the Article it will take you to wiki article on the subject.

I would be grateful for your help to fix this.

Thanks and have a great day!

Setwikirec0 (talk) 12:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Setwikirec0 As Lee Youn Chin died in 1991, I doubt that he is you. What Google does, you have to take up with them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:56, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

... and the redirect on your User page can be removed by you at any time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:59, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Mike for your prompt reply! Do I have to create my Userpage and redirect from there? I was reading Wiki User pages and right now mine is the default when I created the account. Its in here I create my info and then redirect to the article name? Thx Setwikirec0 (talk) 15:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Setwikirec0 I've blanked your User Page so it will no longer re-direct to the article. You can now easily add to it again by clicking on your Username and editing as normal to add material following the guidance at WP:UPYES. If you wish to declare your WP:COI with Lee Youn Chin, you can do so there also (you have already done so at the Talk Page of the article you drafted, which is fine). I'll add some comments about the article on its Talk Page in a moment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mike,

I do not understand "blanked your User page so it will no longer re-direct to the article"

Kindly do not do that as not being able to publish my Article myself or no longer to re-direct is not agreeable to me. I think something is very wrong and need you to revert what you did. Pls excuse me for my language or disappointment here. Setwikirec0 (talk) 14:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The article is available at Lee Youn Chin. Why Google is showing the talk page before the article, I have no idea, but redirecting the talk page is also not the right answer. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 14:07, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

It is simply that the new pages patrol have not yet approved the article, so it is not yet indexed by search engines. Meanwhile, goodness knows what Google have for that name. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

[1] ttp://midgardskultur.se/hollywood/peroxidedstars.html

[2] ttps://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/the-right-chemistry-how-jean-harlow-became-a-platinum-blond

[3] ttps://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/02/the-original-blonde-bombshell-used-actual-bleach-on-her-head/273333/

[4] ttps://www.anothermag.com/fashion-beauty/9300/peroxide-pioneers-the-icons-of-bleached-blonde-hair

[5] ttps://cometoverhollywood.com/tag/peroxide-blonde/

[6] Christmas, Linda (1969-03-07). "It's all a dream to Irene Evans..." Middlesex County Times. Retrieved 2023-03-08.

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