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Draft: About the climate of Fukushima City

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I wrote a Draft:Climate of Fukushima City. But my English is limited, and it is cumbersome to look up climate-related information, and this article needs your assistance, thank you! Albert Tachibaña (talk) 12:02, 4 March 2022 (UTC) Remove

Albert Tachibaña, I'm puzzled by the need for such an article. Much of its content can be inferred from the regular climate table. I realize that there's an article Climate of Los Angeles; but LA is far larger and more populous than Fukushima, and its climate is widely commented on: I seem to remember reading non-technical yet perceptive commentary by Joan Didion and Reyner Banham. The climates of certain less-than-enormous cities in Japan are commented on: Kumagaya is among them. Is Fukushima too? -- Hoary (talk) 12:53, 4 March 2022 (UTC)remove

There is no need whatsoever for this article because all of it was copied from the Climate subsection of Fukushima (city). I recommend that you request your draft be deleted and that you continue to work on improving the existing article. David notMD (talk) 13:04, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Furthermore, in the future, if you do copy content from one Wikipedia article to add to or create another article, it is required that in the Edit summary that you attribute which article the content came from. Otherwise, what you did is considered plagiarism. David notMD (talk) 13:09, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

(And a copyright violation, which is very serious) {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 14:09, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

To elaborate on this, I think the reason it would technically be a copyright violation is that all content on Wikipedia is copyrighted by the editors of the site as a body, and is licensed for use under CC Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0. While copy-pasting content into another place on Wikipedia satisfies the 'ShareAlike' part, it violates the 'Attribution' part unless sufficient attribution is given (which hasn't happened here). — JThistle38 (talk) 14:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Correction: not copyrighted by the editors of the site as a body - each contribution is individually copyrighted by the editor who made it. casualdejekyll 16:18, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Knight Skywalker

Is there any way to make the images, side by side, instead of vertical?

While replying editors use this :: but sometimes they add * before : why?

I saw once that when too many replies are given instead of adding too many :::::, some people add some format, so that it appears as an arrow mark. How is that done? Knight Skywalker (talk) 18:01, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@Knight Skywalker: I think you're referring to Template:Outdent, which wraps text that gets too long. Also, the * creates a bullet. You see this in the articles for deletion discussions. Also, for the images, see the {{multiple image}} template. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Userbox

How do I make it so that my userbox appears normally on desktop as it fills the whole page and it's so huge. User:Pizzaplayer219/Userboxes/PS5 THE Pizzaplayer!^{TALK TO MEE!!} _contribs 18:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pizzaplayer219: Welcome to the Teahouse! Template:Userbox#Usage states that "image size should normally not exceed 90x45px", so I reduced the size of the image in this edit. The link text on a black background is very hard to read. When you're done with the userbox, you might want to add it to Wikipedia:Userboxes/Games/Video games/Platforms so others can find it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Add Drafts to WP:FOSS Core tasks

I want to have the AfC cases in our domain FOSS listed on our WikiProject page. I already did some tinkering and I think I was able to add AfC under Article alerts. But the row Drafts is still missing under the section core tasks. Can someone show me where I have to change something to add it?

Furthermore: It seems like not all AfCs are listed. Where I can set up what articles should show up in our feeds? I'm a bit confused between the {{portal |Free and open-source software}} template and {{wikiProject Computing |class=Start |importance= |free-software=yes |free-software-importance=Low}} template from the talk page. Are there any other ways to associate something to our space? How do they differ?

Also I don't know how to cite templates without triggering them. I tried the Help:Colon_trick GavriilaDmitriev (talk • they/them) 10:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I can't help with the first questions, but I can answer the last: Either use normal Wikilink syntax (eg Template:ping) or us the {{tl}} family of templates to cite other templates (eg {{tl|ping}} displays as {{ping}}. --ColinFine (talk) 11:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! It worked and I implemented the change in my post thanks to your advice! GavriilaDmitriev (talk • they/them) 12:22, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello again, GavrillaDmitriev. Im not an expert on this, but I can at least see wht you're trying to do now! Portals are a facility for Wikipedia readers, and shouldn't point to drafts at all, only to accepted articles; so the {{portal}} template should never go on an AFC draft, as far as I can see. I think what you want is {{WikiProject Computing}}, as you say. ColinFine (talk) 13:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I understand now that the Portal template is just for reader and that we don't do any grouping/sorting/assignment with it besides that might affect the portal landing page.

Your comment helped me once again. You are great in adding partial help while stating that you are not an expert :) GavriilaDmitriev (talk • they/them) 19:07, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

How to improve article to get accepted?

Hi, I am start to contributing Wikipedia and my first article about a film producer (Draft:Parisa Zehtabian) which her data is available on imdb.com but my referenced data was declined. How can I improve my article to pass review? Jirayeni (talk) 11:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jirayeni: In order for the article to meet notability guidelines (WP:PRODUCER), it needs sources that are independent, reliable, and significant. IMDB is not a reliable source. The subject's own website is not an independent source. ––FormalDude talk 11:59, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Thanks to your response. Is websites like filmfreeway ok? https://filmfreeway.com/899101 and also there are some certifications of film registration to international festivals is it good idea to use these? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jirayeni (talk • contribs) 08:59, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jirayeni: FilmFreeway is a website for filmmakers to submit their films to film festivals, so it's not independent. The page also does not provide significant coverage of Zehtabian. GoingBatty (talk) 16:05, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: This page is refers one of Zehtabian films. The credits tab contains information about all people involve film production. in this tab you see Zehtabian as producer. Also this is this document (https://parisazehtabian.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Seyyed-1-1920x2485.jpg) reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jirayeni (talk • contribs) 17:22, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jirayeni: The fact that the document is on Zehtabian's web site doesn't help, and it's not significant coverage. Anyone could watch the credits of each film and confirm Zehtabian's role in the film, so that's not the issue. Please find multiple independent reliable published sources that provide significant coverage of her work. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 18:03, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Can I use non-english news agencies news'?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jirayeni (talk • contribs)

sure, provided they meet the requirements... Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

The Lincoln Conspiracy (1977)

Was this film actually a mistake? In this film, the movie proposes that John Wilkes Booth Killed Abraham Lincoln and escapes and then a man being killed at a farm is not John Wilkes Booth, it was James William Boyd. (talk) 20:00, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

If you think that’s a mistake, James William Boyd might have been in the barn while the troops tell him to come out being shot by mistake. EXCDED (talk) 18:49, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Temperature Converter (Bot?)

Some too-clever-by-half editors have been going through and applying the {convert} function to all instances of temperature. While I appreciate the spirit and it is often helpful to have °F temps next to the °C, when it's done indiscriminately it can cause problems: I was on the page for Pikas the other day, and saw a sentence that went "For every change of 1°C (34°F) in average temperature..."

Which is obviously not right. I changed that instance and left a note on the responsible editor's talk page, but it's the second time I've seen such a thing and I assume it's a widespread issue.

Can someone who's more deft with coding than I am find a way to pull all instances where, e.g. "difference" or "change" appears within 5 words of a {convert}, to allow us to manually review such instances (and hopefully identify any convert-bots that have gone rogue?) WhichDoctor (talk) 17:22, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

This actually seems like a good idea; I wouldn't be surprised that this happens a lot. But @WhichDoctor:, just a quick note you left that message on their user page, not their talk page... --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Ohp! My mistake, thanks for the catch. Will go correct that when I have a minute. WhichDoctor (talk) 17:56, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@WhichDoctor: I looked through difference of \{\{convert and change of \{\{convert, and found only one article to change, which I did in this edit.

Nothing to change in difference of [A-Za-z]+ \{\{convert and change of [A-Za-z]+ \{\{convert GoingBatty (talk) 18:18, 4 March 2022 (UTC

Brilliant, thanks! What's going on with the the [A-Za-z] notation, and where can I learn more about that kind of thing? WhichDoctor (talk) 18:24, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@WhichDoctor: From the search bar, I performed a few insource searches with regular expressions, where [A-Za-z] means any letter and + means one or more characters. (e.g. "difference insource:/difference of [A-Za-z]+ \{\{convert/"). See Help:Searching#insource: and WP:Regex for more information. GoingBatty (talk) 18:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you! WhichDoctor (talk) 18:57, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

This kind of syntax (/difference of [A-Za-z]+/) is called a regular expression (or "regex"). Programmers use them to search for complicated patterns in text. In simple terms, the expression means "match an uninterrupted string of characters consisting of letters A to Z, uppercase or lowercase". In other words, match a single word. Therefore, GoingBatty's searches would find instances where an editor had written, for example, difference of roughly 10 °C (50 °F), difference of about 3.2 °C (37.8 °F), and difference of fhqwhgads 3.2 °C (37.8 °F), et cetera. Help:Searching/Regex provides an in-depth (though not very accessible) guide to searching Wikipedia using regex. You might find a more helpful explanation by searching the web for articles like /Learn Regex in [0-9]+ Minutes/. Hope this helps! RoxySaunders (talk · contribs) 19:00, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

You have to be careful, however, because the Wikipedia search bar doesn't allow you to search using all regex, like \s for a space/newline or \b for a word boundary. GoingBatty (talk) 20:37, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Advice on dealing with overly-referenced and detailed article

I was looking at the list of articles with the most references and came across History of the Jews in Kingston upon Hull. It surprised me that such a regional topic would have more than 1000 references, so I decided to take a look at the article. I'm still pretty new to editing WP, so please correct me if I'm mistaken, but it seems to me that this article is, on the whole, an extreme case of WP:OVERCITE. For one particular example, take the section Charities and clubs. One utterly non-controversial sentence has 15 references to back it up.

That's all more or less easy enough to deal with, but my larger concern has to do with the level of detail in the article (WP:BLOATED). I'm Jewish, I understand the importance of making our history known, but this feels gratuitous. Upon further inspection, I also found History of the Jews in Leeds#Notable_people, which has also been turned into a list of possibly-notable Jews, and now has more than 1000 references as well. I'm concerned this problem could extend to other articles, and I'm not really sure how to proceed. Deleting huge sections of each article is likely what is called for here, but that feels both extremely radical and punishing to the well-meaning editor who has invested considerable time into expanding both articles significantly. Any advice? Maybe the articles could each be split into History of the Jews in X and List of Jews from X? Other suggestions? More generally, how should I bring this up with the editor involved?

Thanks, Lkb335 (talk) 19:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Lkb335- One would be to discuss with Philip Sugarman, the editors whose virtually entire history is the Leeds and Kingston Hull articles. Two, yes there is massive over-citing and a generally bloated article that makes no attempt to curate information. As it stands, I'd be amazed if any reader has bothered to read more than a few lines because I found it impossible to do more than skim with all the blue distractions.Slywriter (talk) 19:33, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I note your discussion. Early on in the development on Hull there was a sharp debate, which was referred by an experienced editor up to a "grandmaster" editor. The advice was given was that there was no limit to the length of the article, as long as everything was referenced. I took this to be in good faith. I hope you will feel that the articles are well-written and researched. The Hull one starts with more general and brief sections designed to more than meet the needs of most readers, the full article is designed to a fill the gap as there is nothing like it on line for this particular niche. For the Leeds history, I have kept this much shorter as there is good coverage elsewhere, but expanded the notable people list as, again, there is nothing else in that niche. In the rare instance that is highlighted of an expanded list of references, on hull charities, I could not find a neater way to reference evidence of my assertion than links to historic newspaper articles. The detail is there for those who want it, I don't expect most readers to do more than skim or search the article. I have put in 1000's of hours to make this info widely available to others, to me it would feel like vandalism to start erasing chunks. As it happens I have a little more to add to the Leeds history and then I am finished with substantial input to wikipedia. Hope this helps. Philip Sugarman (talk) 20:24, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Philip Sugarman, 1000s of hours isn't an excuse to WP:OVERCITE. There is no reason for 15 citations to support one line. Either there is relevant information in those citations to be used or they should be culled. And while it may feel like "vandalism", I would not use that term again as its connotation on Wiki is very specific and no one WP:OWNS an article. I'd suggest taking a hard look at the citations used and see which can be removed, otherwise someone from the community is likely to do it. Also you may want to consider whether this should be multiple articles as WP:PAGESIZE is a thing and could be time to split, rather than having all the work on one page.Slywriter (talk) 21:18, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Philip, what would you think about splitting each article into a history article and a list? For what the lists would look like, see List of Jews in sports.

Thanks, Lkb335 (talk) 22:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Splitting an article

Re: Situationism and disambiguation above, I'm going to follow the advice and move to the Situationist International talk page. After consideration, I think I'm going to suggest taking sections from that article (Main Concepts, Political Theory, and Reception) and creating a new article entitled "Situationism." This is new territory for me, but I know the ensuing discussion will entail using some data. I can count Google hits for terms, but I'm not sure that proves anything here. How do I find out how many searches have been done on specific terms? Is there other information useful for such a discussion? And are there any help pages about article splitting? Pete Best Beatles (talk) 21:03, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Pete Best Beatles. See WP:Splitting. ColinFine (talk) 22:42, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Help with adding Citations

I'm currently adding citations to the Letitia James article. I was searching for a citation for this specific quote: "In the 2013 election campaign for Public Advocate, James was endorsed by many of the city's important labor unions, NOW, Planned Parenthood, Democracy for NYC, League of Conservation Voters, Amsterdam News and El Diario." and I found an old 2013 article on the electoral campaign for Public Advocate. However, the source is the Daily Kos, a left-wing news/blog website that does not have the best track record with trustworthiness. Should I use this source even if it might be heavily biased? Thanks. :D ShiriEdits (talk) 01:06, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@ShiriEdits: Your instincts are correct. The reliable sources noticeboard recommends against using Daily Kos at all. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Daily Kos. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:25, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Moving a draft

Hello,

I think the draft Draft:Tukhlia (Ukraine) should be moved to Draft:Tukhlia. The parenthetical disambiguation is not needed since there is no other article with that title.

(What I'm less sure about is whether "Tukhlya" or "Tukhlia" should be preferred. The version with ya has more hits in English on Google, but the ia version has considerable usage too (including in some of the Ukrainian government's English texts). The Ukrainian National romanization system says я => ia when not in word-initial contexts, so I'm inclined to favor that, but I have no strong opinion.) 70.172.194.25 (talk) 21:31, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The exact title of a draft is not vitally important to the submission process. You may leave a note for reviewers on the draft talk page regarding the title; if the draft is accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title. 331dot (talk) 21:35, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the title being better without the dab, and moved it. Thanks for the heads up. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Finding pages that cites a certain website

I've noticed that this article cites the BBC live news for Europe/Ukraine. When it was added by another user, it was not archived. As newer news were published, the relevant piece was pushed to older pages. web.archive.org is not working for the BBC live news. Despite archiving several snapshots, they return an internal error. I could archive it using archive.today, and that reference is fixed.

However, i think other articles about the Russian invasion of Ukraine might also use that page as a reference, and they are probably not pointing to the correct page. Another problem is that the live page only shows a limited number of articles, and it seems that everything older than 27 February is lost. Because of that, i would like to know if it is possible to search for all the articles that use a certain url (a bbc live news) as a reference to properly archive them. Is it possible, or do i have to manually look at every page? Ridanbp (talk) 01:51, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ridanbp: How about going to the Wikipedia search page and enteing a query like insource:"www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe" ... where "insource" means you are searching on the Wikitext and not on the visible content, which you need to do since the urls typically aren't included in the rendered content. Experimenting with this is probably the best way to understand the idiosyncrasies of how it works (e.g. how word boundaries affect results). Fabrickator (talk) 02:28, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. the insource: worked. I tried the advanced options, and since it didn't work, i thought it might not be possible. Ridanbp (talk) 02:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

little advice

hey can someone please tell me if The Tribune is Reliable source or Not? Akb bhatia (talk) 07:32, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Akb bhatia, hi! I suppose you're talking about The Tribune (Chandigarh)? Yes, they are a generally reliable source. Although, be cautious too, as RS are not always reliable all the time. GeraldWL 07:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Can someone help me replace some images?

I vectorized File:That Poppy Signature.png into File:That Poppy Signature.svg.

I want to replace all instances of the former, with the latter, but I cannot do so currently.

Can someone do it for me, if it is not a problem? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 21:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, QuickQuokka. I'm not sure what your problem is. File:That Poppy Signature.png shows all pages that use the image - it only lists one page on en-wiki, Poppy (entertainer), but there are a dozen pages on other wikis that use it. I don't think there is any way to rplace them without going into each one to edit it (though I may be wrong). ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I didn't mean all at once, I was just busy at that time. Now I can do it myself :) QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 09:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse

What is teahouse for? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:4E:8B1C:8D65:FA35 (talk) 10:29, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

A friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 10:32, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

A sort of friendly place. At times, editors find that asking a simple question at Teahouse acts as an unintended invitation for experienced editors to look at all of their article contributions. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Feedback for my article

Hi everyone, I appreciate your feedback to this article - Communion at Home Should it be a separate page or a section in an existing page and how it can be improved. Thanks for your time and input. Elenatina (talk) 14:48, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Elenatina: I feel as though the article should just go in eucharist, which weirdly the article name for communion, as a separate section. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:14, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Elenatina: Agreed. The "Preconditions" section of your draft is unreferenced, and hopefully that is covered in detail in the Eucharist article. GoingBatty (talk) 15:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks! I've added reference to the Preconditions section and also corrected the spelling consistency feedback and added this as a section to the Eucharist article. How do I delete this page? Elenatina (talk) 11:17, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Elenatina: You can nominate the page for deletion, but since it is a draft we usually just change the draft into a redirect to another article. So for your instance draft:communion at home needs to be a redirect page for the section communion at home in the article Eucharist. You can do that by blanking the draft and putting #REDIRECT [[Eucharist#Communion at home]] in it. The # is there so it redirects you into that section, so it basically stands for in the section. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Ok, I've copied the text you sent. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elenatina (talk • contribs) 13:03, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Article reports conflicting (unsourced) information but I can only find non-conflicting sources.

(Sorry. Not sure if this is better suited for the article's Talk page, but I'm also asking generally.)

I'm working on getting sources for Robert Kinoshita's article. He made Robbie the Robot, and the article currently says Robby was "Created at a cost of anywhere between $125,000 and $1,000,000 — depending on which source is quoted ". Every source I've found has been in the $100k-$150 "reported"/"estimated" range. Nowhere near $1 million unless we're talking about inflation. Would it be better to remove the "and $1,000,000 — depending on which source is quoted" and just have the $100k-$150 range with multiple sources?

In situations where an article claims a wide range for something, but I can only find sources for something very different, what should I do? There may be actual sources with the extreme/outside values that I just haven't been able to fine, so I don't feel like I should remove it entirely. But it seems odd to me if I leave it with the sources giving a very limited range.

Not sure what I should do. Rourensu (talk) 22:42, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rourensu: I'd remove it, with an edit-summary explaining you can't find a source to justify a cost that high. If anyone knows one, they can put it back in, this time with the source. If you're feeling really timid or worried that your search may not have been sufficiently exhaustive, then by all means play it safe and put a message on the article's talk-page first, or a citation-needed tag, and wait a few days before zapping the offending information. But ultimately there is no place for material supported only by the vague feeling that there ought to be a source somewhere if only we could find it. Elemimele (talk) 00:03, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Elemimele: Alright. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rourensu (talk • contribs) 16:02, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Creating an article i am having troubles creating one

I am having troubles creating an article  Newzlighter (talk) 13:17, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Newzlighter, virtually everyone has troubles creating a draft (let alone an article), if they don't already have experience in improving and augmenting existing articles. So I suggest that you try your hand at the latter. (Always base your contributions on reliable sources, and always cite these clearly.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:26, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Newzlighter, welcome to the Teahouse! Writing a WP-article that isn't quickly deleted is difficult if you have no experience in how to edit and what is demanded per WP:s rules (there are quite a lot.) WP:TUTORIAL is a good place to start. On how to start an article, pick a topic that meets the demands here: WP:GNG, otherwise you are wasting you're time. Then move on to Help:Your first article. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:29, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Making a template

Header added by ColinFine (talk) 16:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I make a template? (Btw, I use Wikipedia on my phone) Texas Lane (talk) 16:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Texas Lane. Please see Help:A quick guide to templates. (and please add a section header when you're started a new section on a talk or dicussion page). ColinFine (talk) 16:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

what is the annual revenue of SimpleTire, llc

 71.223.187.87 (talk) 17:06, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello User with the IP adress 71.223.187.87 and welcome to the Teahouse. This place is for asking questions about how to use and/or edit Wikipedia. General knowlegde questions can be asked at the reference desk. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:17, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Citing Web sources from sites that are currently unavailable

I'm trying to add citations to the page Oksana Markarova, the current Ukrainian ambassador to the United States, but I'm running into an issue where the Ukrainian government sites that I would like to cite are down/not responding.

Unfortunately, the only copy of the webpage in question which details the time she spent in her position as Commissioner for Investment that I can find online are the ones that Google has cached - would it still be possible to add them as a citation followed by a Template:Dead link? If so, how do I resolve the accessdate issue? Echohawkdown (talk) 03:09, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey! Generally, I'd recommend checking out the information at Help:Archiving a source and seeing if Internet Archive had a copy. However, it doesn't seem to have a copy of that page yet. So, I'd mark it with {{Dead link}} and probably just leave the access date out of the citation entirely for now. I'm assuming the site is down from cyberattacks with the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War, so I think it'll probably be back eventually when this all comes to some form of resolution. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 03:33, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks - as noted, the page hasn't been archived on the Wayback Machine. I'll just use Template:Dead link in the meantime. Echohawkdown (talk) 03:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Echohawkdown You can always archive the Google cache version and place that. The google cache version will eventually go away once the original version does, but the archived version will stay.

I did so before it went down: https://ghostarchive.org/archive/DbN79. Note the google cache page was text only, and I am not sure if it had the information you were looking for Rlink2 (talk) 19:45, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Echohawkdown: Hello Echo! You can see if there is an archive of the source by using the Wayback Machine (AKA Internet Archive). You can also use the Internet Archive Bot to archive all the links it can on the page which will possibly also find other dead links only in archive form. An advantage of IA bot is that it doesn't just user the Internet Archive website but a few other archival websites as well. Hope this helps! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks - as noted, the page hasn't been archived on the Wayback Machine. I'll give the Internet Archive Bot a try though, since I wasn't aware of it before. Echohawkdown (talk) 03:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Echohawkdown: If you don't know how to use it then I can run it on that page real quick. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I've gone ahead and run the bot on the page and it appears the link you found is indeed dead and has been tagged. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Thanks - I didn't have perms to queue up jobs for IAB (possibly because I need edits/contributions on MetaWiki first? Documentation was unclear). I've managed to access the page in question by using a VPN with an exit node in Ukraine, since Ukraine's Ministry of Finance has restricted access to their sites to Ukrainian IP addresses, per this article from Bloomberg (paywall).

I've updated the citation accordingly, but now I'm stuck with a different problem: the {{Dead link}} says it was dead as of Feb 2022, but the access date was 2022-03-01. Do I leave it as is? I've already left a note on the talk page about the Ministry of Finance's IP restriction policy, but I'm at a loss at how to reconcile the dates on this particular citation. Echohawkdown (talk) 10:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Echohawkdown: I would just leave it. Dunno why the access date is yesterday. However that is interesting that the website is restricted to Ukrainian IPs. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:35, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Just wanted to pop in - @Echohawkdown:, you may find archive.is more useful for tracking down dead URLs; unlike the WayBack Machine, if a URL isn't currently archived on archive.is, it will display links to check if it's archived elsewhere, or available on google cache. I've found it lifesaving many times for URLs I once thought unsalvageable.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 22:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all this thread is extremely helpful - I have been running into the same issue on an author page I am working on.Earnsthearthrob (talk) 17:11, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

IAbot inserting bad wayback links

I do not precisely follow the operational details of IAbot (I have no personal experience with bots whatsoever), but I noticed in the 4 March 2022 revision of Sexual intercourse that archive links for Google Books were added, even though such archive links generally do not seem to provide useful content, or at least don't provide the expected content. In some circumstances, they produce an error message, or they may produce a web page that doesn't render the book content that was present in the original link.

Either way, it seems like a bad idea to incorporate these dysfunctional archive links into Wikipedia. Does this indicate that IAbot was configured incorrectly, or does logic need to be incorporated into IAbot to bypass archives for certain kinds of links? Fabrickator (talk) 01:30, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: Hello Fabrickator! Yes logic does need to be used when using IAB. I know there's some way to fix these but I'm not able to find it at the moment. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you looking for {{cbignore}}? GoingBatty (talk) 04:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I thought they had fixed this. I think archive.org stopped archiving new Google Books URLs, but the bot may place links to old Google Books URLs. You can always file a bug at Phab. Rlink2 (talk) 19:55, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Am I in "community good standing"?

Hello. Just recently, I self-requested a block, only for it to be lifted ~6 hours later.

However, I have this question: does "community good standing" mean no behavioral blocks/bans in the past 6 months, or no blocks/bans regardless of whether or not it was self-requested?

Also, to add to its complexity, I do have a complex unblock discussion at my talk page here. Use that to give you a better answer.

Now, I ask you: Do you think I'm in "community good standing"? — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 16:39, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

A lot of people screw up with tools from time to time. You already have the rollback permissions back, so that's a good sign that community good standing is something you're in. casualdejekyll 17:02, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't think you have to worry about self requested blocks. For the purposes of any discussion the fact it was self-requested would be noted. Rlink2 (talk) 19:56, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

creating user boxes

hello!! i wanna create my own user boxes but i'm confused and i really don't know how to start. can you please give me pages to check that can help me out with this matter? thank you in advance :)

 Sanarghzl (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Of course. Take a look at Template:Userbox, and it should explain the process for you. Make sure to create a subpage to put it on. ― Tuna ^No_SurprisesPlease 20:00, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you so much ^^ Sanarghzl (talk) 18:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Writing

How do I create an article? ObnoxiousNox (talk) 21:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@ObnoxiousNox

See Help:Your_first_article Rlink2 (talk) 21:25, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

• ObnoxiousNox, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, we are glad to have you, I see you want to create your first article? Now whilst that is good, writing an article isn’t the easiest thing to do as it requires proficiency in a number of guidelines as prerequisite which include predominantly understanding what our description on what WP:NOTABILITY is, and understating what reliable sources are, and lastly a thorough understanding of WP:GNG (this is very compulsory) the aforementioned are the (pillars) of any article that may be retained on mainspace amongst other things which I teem “secondary”. Please do well to read How do I create an article?. Do feel free to ask more questions. Celestina007 (talk) 21:40, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Other languages on Wikipedia

Please advise me whether there is a super admin for other languages on Wikipedia. If there is an unfair treatments by other Korean language admins to the users: i,e,) Concerning clear circumstantial evidence or , obvious violation of the rules on Wikipedia, it was generally disregarded if it happens to the specific users, however other users were blocked although it was quite vague circumstantial evidence. How the user can get some review for the biased administrative actions? Goodtiming8871 (talk) 06:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Goodtiming8871. Each language version of Wikipedia has its own policies and guidelines. If you are having difficulties on the Korean Wikipedia, then you will need to address those issues there. English Wikipedia editors and administrators have zero influence there, unless they are active contributors to that project. And very few of us are active there. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Cullen328, Thank you for your kind response. In my view, English Wikipedia is the root of other languages of Wikipedia. Please kindly advise me my two inquiries when you are convenient. 1. Would you please kindly advise me the link in English Wikipedia if the user feels the administrators uses the biased administrative actions?

After reading the policies or reviewing opportunities about biased administrative actions in English Wikipedia, I can provide Korean administrators with my input. 2. If there are very few of English Wikipedia administrators who are involved in Korean Wikipedia, please kindly provide me with the user ID(s): preferably non native Korean speakers as per NPOV concerning the political agenda in South Korea. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 10:28, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Goodtiming8871: as Cullen has explained to you, nothing in English Wikipedia has any authority in another Wikipedia. English Wikipedia is the root of other languages of Wikipedia is true historically, but not for any current purpose. Your request is akin to saying "I have a problem with the Korean authorities: please tell me who in the British Government I should talk to". You might well find somebody who can speak Korean, but they will have zero authority in Korea. ColinFine (talk) 11:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Goodtiming8871, traditionally the place to report systemic issues is Meta-wiki (Swedish and Croatian wikis are recent examples). Be prepared for a long process with counter-accusations. In the future, UCoC Enforcement and U4C may be an option. WMF/T&S did intervene with a conflict among Chinese and Hong Kong users, but in that case there were affiliates involved. For Korean-speakers here who might be willing to get involved, have you tried asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 20:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Pelagic Thank you for your kind response and advice about Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea and Meta-wiki From my understanding, it's great breathing space for me to discuss about systemic issues of Korean Wikipedia with other users who can speak Korean. I am planning to raise the issues on WikiProject Korea as soon as practicable if there are no other simpler or quicker options. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 22:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Are these sources reliable?

-- Karsan Chanda (talk) 14:15, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Reliable for what purpose, Karsan Chanda? For the theory of managing tourism, maybe (though it's written in something which is almost, but not quite, English); but I'm dubious that it is reliable for historical information about tourists sites. ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

References

Karsan Chanda that's a difficult question to answer. The book is published by IGI Global, and since I'd never heard of that company I did a little research and found conflicting opinions on whether or not it was a reputable publisher. I would say that if you had several other good references it would be acceptable to include the book you linked as one of many references. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Karenthewriter It is written in this book that Amber fort was built by Meena dynasty. So is this source valid? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 16:58, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I would say, no. The authors of the book are (presumably) experts in tourism. There is no reason to think that they are reliable as historians. Why don't you consult a work by a historian for information about the Amber fort? Maproom (talk) 17:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Karsan Chanda I have no knowledge of Amber fort, or who built it. You cited a published book, and I didn't even read what the book said. I just looked at the publisher, and saw there were different opinions about whether this is a reputable publisher or not. So I can't say if anyone at the publishing company checks facts before agreeing to print a book. Your first article has a Gathering References section that stresses the importance of using reliable sources, and I was unable to find out if IGI Global was considered a reliable publisher. I would advise you to find a backup source for which dynasty built Amber fort, in case it is deemed IGI Global books are not considered reliable. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:56, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

There are other fellows who want to express their opinion on this draft. So please do give your opinion. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 18:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Karsan Chandra, you appear to have spent weeks trying to find a single reliable source for this article. My opinion (without looking at the draft again) is that if you haven't found a source by now, you're not going to, and you should give up on this draft. ColinFine (talk) 19:53, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion a touring guide is not a reliable source. David notMD (talk) 20:19, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

The early history of Amber Fort could use some work. The lead section currently attributes construction to Raja Man Singh I. Care and non-partisan sources are needed. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 22:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

writeing a story

how do i create a story and publish it Porterbowman28496967 (talk) 21:29, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

By finding a more appropriate website first. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

• Porterbowman28496967, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, hey don’t be offended by the passive remarks made by Jéské Couriano. Please Wikipedia doesn’t allow for publishing of any stories by anyone. It is against our policy. I’m sorry if this wasn’t the answer you were expecting. Celestina007 (talk) 21:49, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Also answered at the help desk. Please don't ask the same question in different places. ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Advice for improving from failed GNG

Hello there. I have been working for a little while on a page for Anne Lister College, a new college at University of York. It has just been reviewed and has been removed for failing GNG. I am not trying to appeal against this judgement, but am just puzzled as to what steps to take next.

While the sources on the page are certainly closely related to the university, if not official sources, this is the case with all of the sources for the other college. Again, I am not saying that the review was wrong, but the information on this page I felt was better than on some of the other college's pages. For example, Constantine College has just two sources, both from the university.

Is there a way that I can copy all of the information from the old page onto a publicly accessible draft page for edits to happen until it is felt that the information is of a suitable level to meet GNG some resubmitted for review? Or some other way that I should try to improve the page without breaking any guidelines? Stuart Newmanite (talk) 22:09, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

 Note: The previous version of Anne Lister College, York can still be seen here. The article was just redirected. Victor Schmidt (talk) 22:17, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

If you think that the subject can meet GNG, I suggest using the articles for creation process to create a draft (you can even copy the content from a previous version of the currently redirected article). When you submit it and it is accepted, the accepting reviewer will sort out the redirect. However, you will need to find independent sources for it to be accepted - it may be TOOSOON. You may well find deficient articles about other colleges: there are thousands and thousands of seriously deficient articles among our six million, but people would rather create new ones than fix (or delete) them: see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. ColinFine (talk) 23:13, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

How does an article change from Start Class to C or B class?

If there is an article that is rated start class and you believe that it meets the guidelines for a C or B class article, do you have to nominate it to be reviewed, or is the class changed automatically? Thanks! Weissepedia (talk) 22:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Weissepedia You may change it yourself if you believe the assessment is wrong. Only Good Article and Featured Article need to go through a formal process. Which article are you referring to? If you think you might want to review and re-rate a lot of articles, you might wish to consider using WP:RATER. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I was referring to the Willi Graf article. Weissepedia (talk) 00:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Weissepedia: Note that three of the WikiProjects on Talk:Willi Graf have specific parameters related to checking for B-Class status - expand the WikiProject templates for the details. GoingBatty (talk) 00:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Please help me with the reference using Google Books

I would like to display page 8 (1.2. Cauchy–Riemann equations), but the displayed page is the Roman numeral "x". thanks !

link (ref 1): Function of several complex variables#Top

display:Ohsawa, Takeo (2002). Analysis of Several Complex Variables. ISBN 978-1-4704-4636-9.

code: {{cite book |isbn=978-1-4704-4636-9|title=Analysis of Several Complex Variables|last1=Ohsawa|first1=Takeo|year=2002|url={{Google books|IXhoWbo1oCkC|title=Analysis of Several Complex Variables|page=8|plainurl=yes}}}} SilverMatsu (talk) 01:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I Fixed. It seems that it was page "18-IA8" instead of page 8. thanks !--SilverMatsu (talk) 03:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm looking for a site which allows the public to collaborate on a "tree of knowledge"

I'm basically looking for a centralised tree of knowledge, where you can collaborate with the public to construct mind-maps within each topic As with Wiki pages - lots of hyperlinks, anyone can edit the articles. However, wikipedia presents information as long passages of text. Often it is easier to present information as a logical flowchart or mind map, rather than as passages of text. I'm familiar with the existence of specific 'wiki' sites, however that is not what I mean. I'm looking for a site containing "mind maps", rather than passages of text (as you see in a traditional wikipedia article)

I'm looking for a free, open site where the public can collaborate simultaneously to create a universal "Tree of Knowledge"

Any suggestions?

Thanks Vitreology (talk) 07:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Vitreology I believe you are looking for Wikidata. It is the central database of the Wikimedia ecosystem. it consists of structured information about a multitude of topics. One of it's many functions is to connect the subjects of various Wikipedias. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Roger (Dodger67) I think you're probably right. I just find it quite an intimidating interface. I just want to click on a topic and add a branch, in a semi visual way. So much code and text... Vitreology (talk) 08:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Ukraine

With so much information on Ukraine due to the recent conflict, what sources would be considered credible? News sources seem to differ in facts. Curtmarsalis (talk) 05:08, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

FYI

 – I removed the double signature made by curtmarsalis

Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:11, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Curtmarsalis: Hello Curt! You can take a look at WP:RSP which provides a list of frequently discussed sources and whether or not they're reliable. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

User page

I've only been a Wikipedia editor for a few months. Still a novice. I was just wondering why my username still shows up red with no userpage, only a talk page. How does one actually go about getting their own userpage, or is it something that has to be requested? 🤔 I feel like a ghost! 👻👻👻 PetSematary182 (talk) 21:29, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@PetSematary182: Click on the red link, and it will redirect you to the page editor, and from there you can write it like any other page. You may want to write a bit about yourself, add some fun userboxes, maybe show off your awards if you have any. I think this page may be of help. Hope this helps! QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 21:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

PetSematary182 an easy way to do it is this: First, search "User:PetSematary182" (and EXACTLY that) in the search bar. Then, a message will show up, saying "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact name" and so on, then click "edit" and you can go on from there. Another way to do it is to search your talk page, in this case, "User talk:PetSematary182" in the search bar, and then click on the "User Page" tab, and the editor will automatically open. Once you have text in your user page, your user page link will appear blue. You can change your signature in Preferences (Like me :D), although I can't explain that right now because it's a long and complicated process. Anyway, I hope you have found this helpful. Sincerely, CertifiedAmazing2 wanna chat? 21:45, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the help, CertifiedAmazing2 and QuickQuokka! PetSematary182 (talk) 21:59, 4 March 2022 (UTC)PetSematary182

@PetSematary182 I took a look at your newly created user page. The text is fine but the Canadian flag could be quite a bit smaller. It is currently much wider than the default width of the entire page - see how wide the text above the flag image is. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean. I'm not good with image formatting, but I'll try to fix it up a bit. PetSematary182 (talk) 15:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)PetSematary182

My first full page on Meher Pudumjee

On 3rd January I published my first page on wikipedia on [Pudumjee|Mehder Pudumjee].

The last edit was on 24th January 2022. When we can expect this to be active. If I need to do any changes, may I know about the same? Harishnakerag (talk) 14:04, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Your draft is actually here Draft:Meher Pudumjee it has not been submitted for review yet? Theroadislong (talk) 14:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Harishnakerag: I've added the AfC draft banner to the top of your draft. When you're ready to submit it for review, just click the blue button on that top banner. However, note that it will likely be declined due to the very non-neutral wording throughout the article and the lack of inline citations, which are required for biographies of living persons. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 14:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

--Harishnakerag (talk) 14:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC) thanks for the inputs. Will rework on the draft and resubmit

Hello, Harishnakerag. What you need to do first is to find some better sources. In order to establish that a subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, you need several sources, each of which meets all three of being reliable, independent, and having significant coverage of the subject. It seems to me that you currently have not even one source which satisfies all three of these: the Business World looks the best, but it very much has the air of being based on a press release, and so does not meet the criterion of independence. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

my article has been declined

my article has been declined because there's a cross namespace redirect

Hello, I'm Rym from Algeria. I have written an article about an Algerian food delivery service but it has been proposed for deletion, moved to the draftspace, then declined when I submitted it for review. Starting with the deletion proposal, they assumed that my article is promotional, and that I'm a SPA (single-purposed account). But I negated all the assumptions, and argued with what I've already stated in my user page; that I'm only interested in Algeria's digital and technological growth, which is rarely dealt with on Wikipedia, and that I'm also active in the French Wikipedia. They dropped the deletion but gave my article the Advertisement tag. That was last week, now they moved my article to the draftspace. Now thinking about it, the references in my article are all in Arabic and French since these are the main languages of Algeria, does this make my article unworthy of being on Wikipedia? I mean my sources are reliable and I have no business promoting the service yet are they not considered verifiable? About why my article hasn't been approved when submitted to review, they mentioned that it already exists, and I think it's some kind of cross namespace redirect problem, although I've proposed that draft redirect to speedy deletion. Can someone please explain how I can save my article? thank you, Rymknows23 (talk) 11:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC) Rymknows23 (talk) 11:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Rymknows23, I've had a long day, and therefore haven't looked at your draft; and because I haven't looked at it, I can't comment on how to save it. However I deleted Draft:FoodBeeper, and used this name for what, until a few minutes ago, had been Draft:FoodBeeper(2). Also, I'll answer one of your questions: Putting aside the important question of the reliability, etc, of references, the fact that they're all in Arabic or French doesn't matter. (Or anyway, it shouldn't matter.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hoary thank you!! I really appreciate your help. I've resubmitted the article for review and I'm waiting for it to be approved, hopefully. As for the references dilemma, I can't really find another reason why my article is seen as promotional. Thank you again, regrads, Rymknows23 (talk) 12:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi!

Well, looking at Draft:FoodBeeper, there are still several issues with the draft. As the tag said, some of your wordings are promotional: "projecting a diverse collection of menus", "The service has since expanded remarkably".

You did put several reliable sources, and as Hoary said, sources of all languages are permitted. You also seem to put a balance between secondary and primary sources (I may be horribly wrong, but from the layouts of the sources I judge such). However, many of your sentences are still unsourced; 13 I can count.

You need to also fix capitalization problems: for example, "Market Expansion" must be "Market expansion", and "covid-19" must be "COVID-19".

I won't assume that you are a paid editor, but I do think, like many others, that it is still far from being article-worthy. You can ask those involved with the draft discussions for specific input; if they're kind enough they'll give you their humble thoughts. Happy editing! GeraldWL 12:13, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis Thank you so much for taking the time to review my article, I highly appreciate it. I will try to fix the errors and my writing tone so it does't misconvey my actual intentions. As of the topic being not article-worthy, I sought Wikipedia once for an assignment about Algeria's technological development and couldn't find any information, so I decided to change things. this article will not be my last, I will add others in the near future. Regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 14:09, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Rymknows23 I replaced advertising-like wording in first half of article. Hope this helps. Also added a couple of citation needed tags. David notMD (talk) 15:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

David notMD thank you for your help, I appreciate that you took the time to edit my article. I will carry on with replacing the advertising-like wording in the rest of the article. Thank you. Regards, Rymknows23 (talk) 15:54, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rymknows23: FoodBeeper's posts on their LinkedIn/Facebook/Twitter pages do not help demonstrate notability. Also, it would be helpful to add |trans-title= to your non-English references. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Plagiarism tool?

Is there a tool I can use to check if my draft will be deleted for copyvio? Ficaia (talk) 03:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia: Just don't plagiarize in the first place. Things are only deleted for copyright violations if it's clear they're actually copied from an outside source, so just don't do that and you're good. (If you ever have to question whether something is plagiarism, it probably is.) — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 04:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I heard that glib truism all through university, and I'm not sure it always applies. If I'm relying on a translation of a foreign language encyclopaedia to source biographical information, exactly how much the wording has to be changed is ambiguous. Ficaia (talk) 04:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia See WP:PLAGIARISM#Tools — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:21, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia If you are translating a foreign Wikipedia page into English without anything more than using your translation skills, then you are obliged to acknowledge the source of the material (the other Wikipedia page). You would use the {{Translated page}} template, as explained at Help:Translation.

You would however, do far better to actually read the sources your are wanting to cite, and create content in your own words, whilst also ensuring the topic will meet our Notability Criteria, as not all Wikipedias have identical rules and policies in place. Ours, here, are often much stricter. It's a task that should not be beyond anyone's abilities. I created this page from all French sources recently, whilst not having much more than schoolboy French to work from. I then wrote in my own words, as should you.

Finally, you might like to use 'Earwig's CopyVio' detector at https://copyvios.toolforge.org/, however this won't work across different languages. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:47, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

HELP! I LOGGED OUT BY ACCIDENT

I need help, I accidentally logged out of my user account. I want to go back to it. Please help. 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:D0E7:DC37:BDEE:E7B5 (talk) 17:08, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I presume you know your username? Did you enable an email address with it? If not, and assuming you cannot now remember your user password, then I'm afraid there is no way for you to retrieve it. See Wikipedia:User account security. You will know if you do have an email address linked to your account as you should receive email notifications that someone (you) has tried and failed to access your account. Sorry I cannot help you further. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I do know my username and my password but I didn’t enter an email, because I couldn’t find one, and when I log in it says no. 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:D0E7:DC37:BDEE:E7B5 (talk) 17:40, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

If you cannot log in with your username and password, and you didn't set an email, then there's no way to recover your account I'm afraid, and you'll have to abandon it and create a new one. But make sure you haven't got Caps lock set. What exactly happens when you try? ColinFine (talk) 18:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

This is my new account, and that was just my unregistered form. I now have an email now. Meltdown reverter (talk) 18:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Meltdown reverter: Don't forget to specify it in your preferences and to confirm it (help) so this doesn't happen again. Maybe consider adding {{User previous account|previous username}} to User:Meltdown reverter. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Editing articles on the mobile app

Editing articles on the mobile app

When editing through the mobile application, I notice many features are not presently available such as inserting a table.

I am new to editing pages on this platform so any help would be appreciated Morgan11100 (talk) 17:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Morgan11100 Welcome to the Teahouse. I use a mobile for editing quite a bit, but abandoned the mobile app as it seems more designed for easy viewing than for proper editing. I recommend simply using your normal mobile browser and edit in 'Desktop view' - there's a tiny link at the very bottom of each page which lets you switch. For adding and editing simple tables, I recommend you then do this in WP:Visual Editor, although it's easy to switch between that and Source Editor via the pencil icon on the right said of the editing tool menu. I hope this helps - let us know how you get on. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:36, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Morgan11100: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, there are features available in the desktop view that are not available on the mobile apps. For more information on the mobile apps, see mw:Wikimedia Apps. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:38, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Morgan11100. I have written an essay on Smartphone editing that you may find interesting. Cullen328 (talk) 19:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

What happens when a registered user clicks on log in or create account?

 Meltdown reverter (talk) 20:49, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Meltdown reverter. If you are logged in and click on Special:UserLogin then you will be able to log in as another username, as you get logged out of your current one. If you click on Special:CreateAccount, then you will be able to create another account while staying logged in to your current one. You can safely visit either link without anything happening immediately. For various reasons we normally recommend sticking with one account. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

How to change wiki page

How do I change my wikipedia page?????????? I'm new please help me thanks Ollhg87 2.0 Ollhg87 2.0 (talk) 23:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ollhg87 2.0, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's not clear what you are asking. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not social media so "my wikipedia page" does not mean anything. I'm guessing that you are talking about an article about you: please be aware that it is not your page and you do not have any special level of control: in fact, quite the contrary: you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly. If there is information on there that is wrong, please see AUTOPROB for what you can do about it. If there is information you would like added or altered, you are welcome to make an edit request on the article's talk page, but you must understand that the article is there to summarise what independent sourcs have said about you, not for you to tell anybody what you want them to know. So if you provide a source (unconnected with you) for any information you want included, that is more likely to happen.

If you didn't mean this, then the only thing I can think of that you might mean is your User page: any Wikipedia editor may create a user page, on which they can put any information they like about themselves as a Wikipedia editor. A small amount or more general biographical infomation is acceptable, but not anything that looks promotional. See UPYES for more. ColinFine (talk) 23:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

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Submitting an image to a Wiki page

In reference to the page discussing Friar Solanus Casey. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanus_Casey ) The page contains an image of a Relic Scapular containing a fragment of cloth that touched his tomb. I have a Relic Scapular containing a fragment of cloth worn by Fr. Casey. How do I submit an image of the Relic Scapular in my possession? Thank you, Jon Jon LaFalce (talk) 23:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Jon LaFalce! you may submit this image through Wikimedia Commons, however note that these have to be released under a license such as creative commons, you can't just have them be used exclusively in wikipedia. happy editing!  melecie  t - 23:44, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Page already submitted

Hi - I have started work on a page to Adelaide Motorsport Festival but now been told "This appears to be a duplicate of another submission, Adelaide Motorsport Festival, which is also waiting to be reviewed. To save time we will consider the other submission and not this one." When might the original one be reviewed? WinterCup (talk) 00:59, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@WinterCup: Never, since it was just deleted due to author request. I suggest you resubmit your draft. RudolfRed (talk) 01:09, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Page already submitted

FYI

 – Merging with above section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:50, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

WinterCup (talk) 01:23, 7 March 2022 (UTC) Thanks @RudolfRed‬ I'll probably keep working on it then. WinterCup (talk) 01:23, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Using images given to you for use

FYI

 – Merging with above section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:50, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I upload images that are not mine, but given to me by the original owner to use on the page WinterCup (talk) 01:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

It depends on if the owner has given them properly. I know the phrasing of that sounds nonsensical, but copyright law can also be nonsensical sometimes (see Wikipedia:Image use policy, WP:UPI). casualdejekyll 02:02, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Specifically, @WinterCup, images where the owner has only given you verbal permission, or has said something like "for use only on Wikipedia", are not allowed. Images must either satisfy WP:NFCC OR be licensed under a license compatible with CC-BY-SA, Wikipedia's license. casualdejekyll 02:04, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata date

How to retrieve the wikidata date in English instead current wiki language so that it will work with the #time function? Kurniasan (talk) 03:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

hi

Anyone here wanting to write about roblox serversides/exploits I have knowledge in them and want to make a article on them. Informalmarc1 (talk) 18:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Informalmarc1, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have knowledge on a subject and think there could be an article on that subject, the part that somebody absolutely must do first is to find reliable sources that discuss the matter. Your knowledge can be useful for finding and interpreting those sources, but unless there are such sources, I'm afraid that what you know cannot be used in Wikipedia: see original research for why not. ColinFine (talk) 18:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to shut this down right here. I am already well aware that there is no Roblox exploit that passes WP:GNG - however, there may be enough sourcing to justify a mention in the Roblox article. casualdejekyll 19:25, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

As a general rule, unless a specific exploit/bug/mod has received coverage in the media (e.g. the Hot Coffee controversy or Corrupted Blood) specific ones do not justify an article. That the game is buggy en generale also generally doesn't merit a mention in the article unless it's been criticised for the amount of bugs in it (e.g. Sonic 2006). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Informalmarc1: Hi there! The Teahouse is a place where we can help answer questions about Wikipedia, but not a place to find people willing to create new articles upon request. If you'd like to provide sources for Roblox serversides/exploits, your best place to ask for assistance in adding them to the Roblox article is at the article's talk page: Talk:Roblox. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:04, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Move requests

Hello, A few days ago, i suggested moving Jonathan Scobie to Jonathan Goble, but there has been no discussion on the talk page. Is this normal, or did I do something wrong? --99.197.202.188 (talk) 04:11, 7 March 2022 (UTC) 99.197.202.188 (talk) 04:11, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Your edits to Talk:Jonathan Scobie look good to me. I have responded there. GoingBatty (talk) 04:18, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Upload Public Domain file to Wikimedia Commons

Hello everyone, I want to ask that how can I upload a public domain file to Wikimedia Commons? When uploading, I can only see option to select a creative commons license of the file. I have to import files from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons for uploading. How can I directly upload a public domain file to commons? Thanks. GoldenHayato 04:33, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoldenHayato: What images specifically? You'll likely need to use a custom copyright tag in the upload form, the question is just which one. What makes the images public domain? — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 04:36, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bsoyka: Hi, thanks for replying me. The image is too simple to be elegible for copyright. It is a logo with few words and simple geometric shapes. How can I upload directly to commons? Thanks. GoldenHayato 04:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoldenHayato: Welcome to the Teahouse! When you use commons:Special:UploadWizard, the third step is "Release rights". Select "This file is not my own work" and then select the appropriate options to explain what makes the image public domain. See also commons:Help:Contents. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

In that case, when uploading to the Commons, under "Release rights", choose "This file is not my own work.", and for the reason, under "Another reason not mentioned above", enter {{PD-textlogo}}. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 04:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bsoyka: and @GoingBatty: Thank you both of you. My problem is solved.😊 — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldenHayato (talk • contribs) 06:03, March 7, 2022 (UTC)

Response to user

Hello,

I've been contacted by someone suggesting that I may have a COI for a page that I am editing. I will ask a separate question about that. The question for this post is who is Indyguy. His use of an alias prevents anyone from knowing if he has a COI. How is that promoting this policy when COIs cannot even be identified? ```` Chuck Hagerman (talk) 04:16, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Almost everyone here uses an alias of some kind. The policy in question isn't so much about "hunting down" anyone who could possibly have a COI as it is about giving instructions for those who know they do themselves. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 04:30, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

 Note: I have received and responded to an email from Chuck Hagerman about this. In this case, I think they used a private email reasonably to ask a somewhat-sensitive question, but I'd like to make it public that this occurred without revealing anything specific about their message. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 05:04, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest

FYI

 – Merging with above — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 04:31, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

I am the IT Director for the Libertarian Party of Indiana. How is the wiki page for the Libertarian Party for Indiana supposed to be updated if someone who is a member of the organization does not update it. Who is the person who should update this, and where would they get the information? When I took this over a year ago, it was woefully out of date. So, whatever mechanism that does not involve people with COIs does not seem to be working. I would certainly like to comply, but I don't know how I can get this page updated unless I do it. Please advise. ```` Chuck Hagerman (talk) 04:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Chuck Hagerman! You can use an edit request to have someone else make edits to the article for you due to your COI, which you are also required to disclose due to your employment per the Wikimedia terms of use, so I recommend having a read through WP:PAIDCOI. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 04:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Bsoyka! Perhaps you can answer this easier than me looking through the linked paged. What is considered employment. I am a volunteer. I am not paid anything. Does that meet the definition of employment?```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuck Hagerman (talk • contribs) 04:44, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chuck Hagerman: In that case, it wouldn't be a PAIDCOI, but it'd still be a COI and I'd still very highly recommend using edit requests rather than editing directly. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 04:49, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chuck Hagerman: Regarding your question "How is the wiki page for the Libertarian Party for Indiana supposed to be updated if someone who is a member of the organization does not update it. Who is the person who should update this, and where would they get the information?"...

The following doesn't all apply to you for THIS article, because of your COI, but I thought I would mention this anyway. The answer is, a core principle of Wikipedia is that all information in any article should be verifiable by the reader. That means that every fact asserted in the article needs a citation that is reliable, independent, and having significant coverage of the subject. (Those words in blue are links for more information.) And the citations must be present in the article so the reader can easily see them to verify the information. Therefore, it does not take someone with inside knowledge to create or update an article -- anyone who can find published references can create or update an article on any subject, even if they are not experts in the field (although knowing the subject matter does help). Information coming from someone's personal knowledge can't be verified by a reader.

If an article writer/editor knows that something is true, it's OK to include the fact, as long as a citation is also included in-line with the article. That's just how things work here. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Citations - trying to update Brian Laras page to include his son Zende

Hi I attempted to update Brian Laras Page to include his son Zende but it was stopped by Pavlov2 saying I didn't cite a credible source. What source shall I cite for this? Brians instagram page? News articles online? A birth certificate? Brian speaking to the media about his son? First time trying to update a wikipedia page and I couldn't figure out how to respond to Pavlov2. Thanks in advance for your help. Mikey3795 (talk) 03:33, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for asking here. The next time you can also talk about this on my talk page. For me, most edits on BLP need to add a reference, News articles online, Brians instagram page and Brian speaking to the media about his son are all welcomed. A birth certificate maybe hard to find, and may contain some privacy.

Happy editing. Pavlov2 (talk) 03:36, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Note however that for privacy reasons, Wikipedia discourages adding names of family members to a BLP article unless adding the name helps the reader understand the article's subject. Even in those cases, adding a family member name can only be done if the name has been reported in other reliable sources. See WP:BLPNAME. I don't think primary sources like interviews or birth certificates would qualify. CodeTalker (talk) 04:30, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for giving a wrong instruction. Pavlov2 (talk) 04:38, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

The fact that he has a son and whom with can be mentioned if a published reference confirms it, but the son's name should not be included. Removing his daughters' names for same reason. David notMD (talk) 06:35, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

A good article on Chinese

Hello! I want to translate this article. Add text, please: 2022 Nepalese protest--Станислав Савченко (talk) 21:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Станислав Савченко! To note that an article should be expanded using text from the Chinese language edition, place the template {{expand Chinese}} at the top of the page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you!--Станислав Савченко (talk) 06:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I have never edited a Wikipedia article.

User talk:213.107.48.131 Was not me as I am not User:Ritchie333. I have never edited a Wikipedia article. I don't care if you block this IP from editing as I have no interesting in editing Wiki articles. This is extremely odd.

Just to let you know. 213.107.48.131 (talk) 02:54, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi! I'm not sure what you mean-- Ritchie333 is an administrator, and your IP doesn't have a block history. According to your contributions log you have also edited two articles. GeraldWL 03:02, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Just to clarify, the contributions log shows that someone edited two articles from this IP address. The person who posted above may be someone else, as "Many IP addresses change periodically, and are often shared by several users." GoingBatty (talk) 04:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Please read the note at the bottom of User_talk:213.107.48.131. You can avoid the confusion by creating an account RudolfRed (talk) 03:11, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I think the confusion is because this IP address was warned by another (User:2601:240:CD0A:1CF6:B561:9C9E:67E9:7461), for whom I left an anti-vandalism barnstar on that IP's talk page. Unfortunately, that IP turned out to be a block-evading sockpuppet of CLCStudent (talk · contribs). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:39, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

New to wikipedia editing

I am new to wikipedia, and i want to know how to cite sources. Specifically, with the Visual Editor. thanks! Random8999 (talk) 11:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Random8999: Please see the guide at Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/2. ––FormalDude talk 12:15, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Is a verified Facebook page considered a reliable source?

hello, I wonder if I can use a verified facebook page as a reliable source for a statement about an event in my article! thank you, Rymknows23 (talk) 10:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC) Rymknows23 (talk) 10:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

The general guideline is here - "The official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject. (See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources.)". However, it is generally discouraged from being used, as if the information genuinely belongs in an encyclopedia, it will be covered in more authoritative third-party sources anyway. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Ritchie333 The Facebook page belongs to a third-party mentioning the topic of my article. Rymknows23 (talk) 10:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not Ritchie, but if it's a third party Facebook page then it is unlikely to be a reliable source. casualdejekyll 13:54, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Can someone help with my userpage design?

I made this sandbox page for testing my userpage, because I want to write about myself, but the numbered list and bullet points collide with @Levi_OP's Discord profile template. Can anyone help me fix this somehow? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 13:21, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Surrounding any other content in a div, then giving the div a margin equal to the width of the template seems to fix it. ― Levi_OP^Talk 13:35, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Levi OP: Thanks so much!!! QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 13:54, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow that's pretty. May steal. ––FormalDude talk 13:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Feel free QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 14:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Checking for the Article Tropical Disturbance 97S (2022) Or Gombe

Hello I'd like for Checking , sorry for my improper Language I was very Tired I am Sincerely Sorry , check it at Tropical Disturbance 97S (2022) Gekkotan (talk) 12:35, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gekkotan: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see that the article has been moved to Draft:Tropical Disturbance 97S (2022). I tweaked the layout a little bit for you. After you update the draft with recent information, you can ask to have your draft reviewed by adding {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:11, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Anyway, at least I didn't go down without explaining myself first

--41.79.199.16 (talk) 12:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC) 41.79.199.16 (talk) 12:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Did you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 14:13, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

The IP appears to have disruptive edits, but they are far enough in the past that they could reasonably be from a completely separate person. casualdejekyll 14:31, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Request help removing "biographical" and "extensively edited" tags

I am requesting help removing "biographical" and "extensively edited" tags. I edited out words I thought might seem biased to remove the "biographical" tag. But since I removed so much, and was not aware that authors are not supposed to edit material about themselves, instead of that tag being removed, a new "extensively edited" tag was added. I am requesting help removing these two tags. Thank you.2601:147:C380:7110:D1D6:5307:B16B:E55B (talk) 19:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC) 2601:147:C380:7110:D1D6:5307:B16B:E55B (talk) 19:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Gibson! First, it appears you forgot to log in. Second, you should stop editing the article directly yourself and instead propose changes to be made with edit requests. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@GibsonArmstrong: Pinging in case they logged back into their account. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Upload a Photo

How do I upload a photo for use in a bio page? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 13:16, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue1: Welcome to the Teahouse! If it is a picture you took yourself, see Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. If not, you can ask the copyright owner to follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:15, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue1 If it's a random pic you found online, WP:s default assumption is that it can't be used because copyright. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:28, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikitable sortable

Why can't the smartphone users see the when the wikitable sortable property is used for a table? Footy2000 (talk) 05:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Footy2000! Seems to be a known issue with the mobile version of Wikipedia, it is mentioned on the page about setting up a sortable table "Note: The sortable functionality doesn't work on the mobile and print versions of Wikipedia. So this implementation will render as an empty row without sorting buttons when viewed on phones." Hope this is of some use! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 11:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Footy2000: There is a request at phab:T233340: "Add sortability to sortable tables for readers of the mobile web site". Requests go back at least to phab:T49858 from 2013. If you absolutely want to see a sortable table on a smartphone then you can click "Desktop" at the bottom of a page to see the desktop version of the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:04, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

AWB editing

Finally thought to ask a question at the Teahouse after many days. I have been using AWB for many days now. What I mostly do is fix new pages, using the source as new pages and then making out a list. But, AWB is supposed to be a much powerful tool. Actually the problem is with me. I cannot fully unleash the power of this super piece of software. I have read the manual of AWB, but it is just a detailed explanation of how to use it. The manual mainly contains information about all the different toolbars and options. But recently I have found out about the typo fixing feature, and have started using it well. But I want to know, what else I can do with this. I know many things can be done, and many people know what more can actually be done. I am under the mentorship of FormalDude, but he said that he doesn't have much knowledge about AWB. So I thought to ask the question at the Teahouse, to get information about AWB from multiple users. I would really be glad if some AWB expert user tells me what else I can do with this tool. Regards.

Note: Anyone answering this question (or trying to answer) can see my contributions to see what type of AWB edits I am making presently, to give me more new ideas. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 09:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: This is probably a question best asked at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser. Your question is a bit like someone asking how to unleash the full power of an MS Access database, without knowing what tasks they wish to perform with it. That should be your first thing to identify, and then to decide if AWB is the best tool for the job. A multi-tool is a wonderful device, but no good if you want to hammer a nail into a piece of wood. I used AWB quite a lot a few years ago, but was (and still am) rather scared by the many areas I do not understand how to use, so I stay well-clear and you should too. If you do serious harm with it, you could be blocked from editing, so proceed with care. Looking at your edits with it, you seem to be using it as I did. If I remember rightly, I created a list of articles within a certain group or category, and attempted to fix all the typos and grammar errors within each one. I then focussed on fixing just one specific typo or grammatical issue (doesnt -> doesn't; 1960's -> 1960s; off of -> off, for example) across all articles. At that time, Lupin's spellchecker was working, and I used that to monitor live edits and then fixed errors particularly frequently-occurring typos with AWB that I first saw being flagged up by Lupin.

Bottom line: If you don't know what you're doing with elements of AWB, and can't find out how to do it properly - don't do it. Good luck with your journey. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:14, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Thanks for your comment and wishes. By the way, I know how to use MS Access database. I had once created a teacher login form and student registration data collection table using MS Access. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:06, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

On a side note, can you tell me why your ping did not reach me. Is there some ping system error going on? Last time, a few days a go, I pinged someone for something, but they didn't quite get the ping I suppose. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:09, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible

Some people have pings disabled. If you need to send a message to someone the absoulte surest way is to leave a message on talk page, since wikimedia will always send out a notification for that. Rlink2 (talk) 05:39, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rlink2 Got it. Thanks again. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:44, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

But, I don't have my pings disabled. Then why didn't nick moyes' ping reach me? Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:44, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I thought you were talking about you pinging someone else, my bad. I understand your question now.

Maybe its something to do with how he signed his message. When pinging, you need to have the message singed in the same edit. If not, the ping won't work, even if you sign the edit after. The addition of a ping template and the signing (tlides) have to be in the same edit.

Hope that helps. Rlink2 (talk) 05:47, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rlink2 Thanks Rlink for your clarification. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible You should have been pinged. this was my edit. I’m unsure why it didn’t work. I assume I was using the Reply Tool, just as I am right now, which auto signs my post. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Maybe there was some error. I also use the reply tool under discussion tools. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 12:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes On a side note, I believe that you as an administrator might be having good knowledge about all types of editors who edit here. So, can you name some editors who are experienced in using AWB, or use AWB for a lot of things. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 12:49, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible I tend not to interact much with wikignomes using AWB, as they are usually very competent in their specialised areas. You might wish to check Category:Wikipedians who use AutoWikiBrowser. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Thanks again for your help. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 02:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: I know @GoingBatty is familiar with AWB. ― Qwerfjkltalk 18:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Can someone help center these userboxes?

Hi, I made a mobile version of my page, but I can't get to center the userboxes correctly.

I'm viewing this on Chromium, at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:QuickQuokka/Mobile with with dimensions 400x634px, no throttling, and vertical view.

I assume @Levi_OP may be of help. Thank you (Levi_OP) for helping me on similar questions, and sorry if I am bothering you. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 17:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I was able to achieve centering by surrounding the userboxes in a flexbox div that centered its items. Generally, the center tag isn't very good, and doesn't work very well on wikipedia or mobile. ― Levi_OP^Talk 18:17, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Levi OP: Thanks! QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Help Request at German "Embassy"

Hi, I am an editor here on the English Wikipedia. In February, I noticed a problem with an on our German-language counterpart: Due to a false cognate between Latin and German as well as a misunderstanding about a topic, the German article contains misinformation and information that should be put into a separate, newly-made article. I left a help request at the "embassy," but no one has gotten back to me yet, and it has been awhile. Can I have some further advice? Joesom333 (talk) 21:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Joesom333! The Embassy here is unfortunately a pretty inactive space, but luckily the Teahouse here is much better. Could you link the articles you're talking about so we can delve into the issue? Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Sure! Here is my request from the "embassy," slightly edited: I speak very little German, although coincidentally I am learning the language. I am writing you about the German Wikipedia article "Boccia." In English, we call "Boccia" "Bocce" or "bocce ball." However, there seems to be a mistranslation. The article says the following sentence: „Seit 1984 ist Boccia eine paralympische Sportart.” This roughly translates to "Boccia has been a Paralympic sport since 1984." This is not quite correct: It is a confusion between what we call bocce ball and you call boccia. Since 1984, a Paralympic sport that is known as boccia (English Wikipedia article) in English and many other languages has been included in the Paralympic games. I have linked the English Wikipedia article for "Boccia." Boccia (the Paralympic sport) is a similar, but different sport than bocce ball. It has different rules, playing surfaces, and equipment. I believe that someone should make another article for the Paralympic sport of boccia like we have on the English Wikipedia, perhaps titled "Boccia (paralympische Sportart)". Pétanque is different than bocce, and it, as it should, has its own, separate article on here. The paralympic sport of boccia should have its own article, too! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joesom333 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Joesom333 - This is a good question for the German Teahouse. casualdejekyll 18:35, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Texas Lane's new article

I'm just trying to make an article but it keeps getting deleted. Texas Lane (talk) 03:15, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Texas Lane! It seems the article is being deleted as it's very short and doesn't show why it's notable enough for inclusion here. This doesn't have anything to do with laws as you mentioned on your talk page, but rather concerns our guidelines for what actually belongs here. {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 03:55, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Sample:

Sides include Popcorn Chicken, Popcorn Shrimp, Crinkle Cut Fries, Waffle Cut Fries, Onion Tanglers, Mac'n Cheese, Applesauce, Texas Toast, Coleslaw, Cottage Cheese and Mashed Potatoes (with or without Butter).

Wikipedia is not a trade directory, Texas Lane. Please do not attempt to re-create this stuff in Wikipedia. Spoon Diner can put this material on its own website. -- Hoary (talk) 04:16, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Consider creating a draft first, and do listen to the raised comments. Dege31 (talk) 13:49, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, Then tell me, how come there are so many OTHER articles that DO say things like that? I've seen several other articles that literally say Menu or Products, so anotherwards this stuff has just became pretty confusing... Texas Lane (talk) , 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what exactly this is about, but read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Even if you see it elsewhere, it might not be appropriate. Dege31 (talk) 16:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

If you would tell us which articles those might be, we can see about cleaning them up to meet proper standards. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 19:44, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Can someone help me with formatting this section?

I've tried to make the low quality PNG file into text, so I tried, but because I made it non-wrapping, and there was the {{Wikipedia awards}} template next to it, it left a lot of whitespace.

Can someone help fix this somehow?

Pinging @Levi_OP since he knows this stuff. Sorry for making you (Levi_OP) help me all day. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 19:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

The version with the image looks exactly the same, so is this really an issue? Or were you just trying to fix the issue as well as using text instead. ― Levi_OP^Talk 20:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Levi OP: I did it because it's quite low quality QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 20:35, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I understand that. What I'm saying is the the whitespace is the exact same using the image or the text. ― Levi_OP^Talk 20:36, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Homedit draft was declined

 Courtesy link: Draft:Homedit

Hello, Stefan Gheorghe is here. I just got an email that our Wikipedia page was declined. Wondering if you can help with this problem

Thanks, Stefan Foxandowl (talk) 12:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Foxandowl! Welcome to the Teahouse!
First - you might want to know, using Wikipedia for promotion is not allowed, and as the founder of Homedit, you have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. That's a fancy way of saying your interest (Having an article on your company) and our interest (Having a neutrally worded encyclopedia article on everything that is notable, which may or may not include your company) are opposing. People with conflicts of interest are advised not to edit and create articles on things they have a conflict of interest with, because they tend to overestimate how notable their interest is.

Second - In order to be accepted, drafts must have Wikipedia:Reliable sources to support every claim, and the subject must pass the general notability guideline. The article you wrote reads like an advertisement. casualdejekyll 14:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Foxandowl: You are relying on a lot of references to your own website, which is considered a primary source. This can be used to verify basic facts and figures, but they are of no value when trying to prove that your company is notable enough for inclusion. Also, please avoid social media sources as they are self-published and not considered reliable sources.

As well, your style of referencing is very difficult to interpret. <ref> tags should immediately follow the text they are meant to verify, not stacked up in the References section below. See Help:Footnotes for assistance on this. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Ugly Betty

I've been spending a lot of time editing down overlong plot summaries. I found my way to Ugly Betty Season 3, where there's a LONG plot outline, followed by individual episode summaries which restate the same information much more succinctly. Then, just for comparison, I looked at other season pages for Ugly Betty, only to find the same setup on each of them. Easiest thing would be to delete the Plot sections altogether as unnecessarily duplicative. Since this covers a lot of info across several pages, I thought I'd check here first before being bold and doing it. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 21:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Just Another Cringy Username: Welcome to the Teahouse! If your question isn't already covered in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television, then I suggest asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Just Another Cringy Username: MOS:TVPLOT is the relevant section of the above guideline. It notes that an article should not have both an episode table and a prose summary [of the plot]. Additionally, overly detailed plot descriptions can be derivative works and in violation of copyright (policy). When we do plot summaries of works under copyright, we do so under fair use principles, which requires that they be brief (in comparison to the work) and that they support other article content. I feel you'd be quite justified in removing these. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:28, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Already done! Thanks! Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 21:18, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Writing about esports organizations..

I'm working on an article for Mazer Gaming, an esports organization. The draft has been reviewed and rejected. I used tournament brackets to provide org performances, but was told that the bracket host itself is a wiki, it's not a viable source. I understand the issue of the source was it in reference to anything substantial. But it was a tournament bracket.

I was told it was overly promotional. There is no mention of joining the organization or purchasing anything from the sponsors. I followed the build of articles about FaZe Clan and Team Liquid to make sure I didn't overstep.

Reviewer also mentioned bios about players were unnecessary, and this is where I feel the article wasn't truly read. There are no player bios. There are bios for management at the bottom above the references. But nothing for the players, and I made sure each of the sections were very clearly marked and separated.

If I could get another set of eye on this, it would be much appreciated.

Cheers! JoltSw1tch (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello @JoltSw1tch! Welcome to the Teahouse!
Your main issue as far as promotional goes is the 'Management' section. Once you remove that it won't be nearly as much of a problem. However, there's a much bigger problem here. All of your sources are either primary sources (which can only be used to verify basic statistics) or unreliable (fandom wikis, etc.) Articles must be supported by secondary sources which are independent, reliable, and contain significant coverage. The primary sources fail at independence, and the wikis fail at reliability. The general rule is that your 3 best sources must satisfy all 3 of these criteria. (Also, I see no mention of "players" by the reviewer, only "person[s]", which could refer to management.)
If you have followup questions, make sure to ping me using the text {{u|casualdejekyll}} in your comment! casualdejekyll 21:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Note: it was declined, not rejected. There's a difference. Declined means you can submit it again later if you improve it, and rejected means you can't submit it again (except in special circumstances). Your draft was only declined. casualdejekyll 21:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@JoltSw1tch Welcome to the Teahouse. Boy, did you overstep!!!

In which universe might the following not be seen as overdoing a bio: "A proud father of 3 energetic boys has conditioned Mark to deal with the changing dynamics of gaming."? Certainly in the Wikipedia universe it's typical of these esports articles I see - mostly puffed up promotional guff written by insider organisations themselves, and never demonstrating notability from independent reliable sources that have written about them from an outsider's perspective. To me, they all seem like smoke and mirrors -and this one is no exception- so you really are going to need far better sources. I'm not going to read them all, so which three independent ones can you come up with to demonstrate that Mazer Gaming meets our Notability guidelines? I'd suggest WP:NCORP is most relevant. If the article's about the organisation, all the tournaments it runs are mere trivia, so you'd need to cut everything out, and write solely about why this organisation is important. If it's the tournament that is notable, you'd need to focus on that, and show how the general mainstream media have taken note of your employer's organisation, and written about it in detail and in depth. Oh, none of the individuals who took part in these computer games are notable, and nowhere in your draft should there be any external links to Twitter accounts and so forth. Any you do want to use should be in a separate 'External links' section. Please remember that this is an encyclopaedia of notable things, not a place to promote your employer's business activities. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

One thing to remember, JoltSwitch, is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

PTV Copyright

Hi everyone, I have a picture which was taken from a live broadcast of PTV Sports (which is state-owned) and I was wondering if it would be in the Public Domain. Thanks,  Hamza Ali Shah  ^Talk 19:35, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Hamza Ali Shah. Copyright is a complicated beast, and varies from country to country, but generally material is public domain only if either it is older than some threshold age, or the owner has explicitly put it in the public domain. Just because a compay is state-owned gives no reason to suppose its publications are in the public domain. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hamza Ali Shah: According to Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Pakistan, Government-created works are copyrighted for 50 years after their publication, with a few exceptions (which I do not believe apply here). However, I have reasonable doubt that that State-Owned TV broadcaster still counts as a government entity, and also, it is quite likely that particular for sports content the channel is not the copyright holder but only holds a use license. @ColinFine: Often, c:Commons:Copyright rules by territory subpages have information about the copyright law in a specific country. Victor Schmidt (talk) 22:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

edits reverted

I tried to edit the Lebron James article about him wanting to play with his son in the NBA, but when i looked at the article nothing changed-Egipt123 Egipt123 (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Egipt123: You have been warned on your talk page at User_talk:Egipt123 about disruptive editing. Each time you say "sorry I will stop" and then you do it again. You really need to stop. RudolfRed (talk) 22:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I really did stop i swear on my life just please answer-Egipt123 Egipt123 (talk) 22:32, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

You never edited the LeBron James article, nor are you able to due to its protection level. You only edited the associated talk page. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 22:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I edit then Egipt123 (talk) 22:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

What articles can i edit?-Egipt123 Egipt123 (talk) 22:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Egipt123 - The vast majority of articles are unprotected and can be edited by anyone. casualdejekyll 23:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Egipt123 There are over 6.4 million articles on Wikipedia. Only a very tiny number of those have any sort of requirement for editors to have been here for 4 days and to have made at least 10 edits. We call this being 'autoconfirmed'. Articles that need a user to be autoconfirmed are called "semi-protected" and have a small padlock on the top right in desktop view. Feel free to edit any of the remaining 6.3 million. Always support any additions you want to make with a citation to a reliable source of information. i.e. don't just put in stuff you happen to know, or it will be immediately removed if it cannot be verified. Try reading Help:Introduction or doing The Wikipedia Adventure. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:02, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft: The Walking Zombie 2

Hi, if any draft reviewer is reading this post, please check my draft The Walking Zombie 2 and if you find it suitable for an article on Wikipedia so please approve it, if not so please tell the reason. Billapartygang123 (talk) 11:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Billapartygang123 Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. You can submit the draft for review using {{subst:submit}} instead of telling someone to do it. However please note that the draft has been declined 4 times already and it would be declined again if you haven't made any improvement. I am submitting the draft on your behalf. The drafts are viewed in no specific order so you have to wait patiently. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 12:04, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: The draft has not just been declined, it has been rejected. Therefore this draft needs a consensus before the user can resubmit. ––FormalDude talk 12:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude What is the difference between declined and rejected, and how can I know which one has happened. And sorry for submitting the draft without noticing things. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 12:16, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Billapartygang123: The topic was rejected as it doesn't appear to meet Wikipedia notability guidelines. ––FormalDude talk 12:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

If the draft isn't accepted then the reviewer would leave remarks on your talk page as to why he didn't accept the draft. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 12:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: Last statement not true. Reviewers incorporate comments into the Declined or Rejected statement, or else as Comments appearing below thos statements. Adding a comment to the submitting editor's talk page is a rarely used option. Also, a Declined draft should not be resubmitted unless the reasons for the decision have been remedied by improvements to the draft. David notMD (talk) 13:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: The {{AfC decline}} template, which is used by the AfC helper script, is actually added to the submitter's talk page and shows the decline reasons there too. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 15:21, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Rejected Draft

FYI

 – Merging sections. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:33, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi everybody, I am a novice Wikipedia user and have made a draft of a video game The Walking Zombie 2 earlier it was having very less content and sources so it was declined 3 times then finally rejected by Liance. Afterwards, I made drastic changes in my draft but it needs either approval of Lance or a consensus. I have flooded Liance's talk page with messages to review my draft but looks like he is AFK. Please help me. Billapartygang123 (talk) 12:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Billapartygang123: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you want Draft:The Walking Zombie 2 to be reviewed yet again, you need to submit it for review again. You can do this by adding {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

After it was Rejected, you tripled length and doubled number of references (quantity, no comment on quality), so it may be legitimate that you have resubmitted the draft to AfC. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Honestly should be flagged as copy-vio. Quotes are doing alot work there.Slywriter (talk) 23:27, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Potential Duplicate Articles

I've been working on cleaning up Conservation community and just discovered the Conservation development article. I think they should probably be combined, but I'm a new editor and at a loss for what to do here. Can I get some help? Rosenbergwrite (talk) 19:33, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rosenbergwrite Welcome to the Teahouse. As someone who has worked in conservation, planning for some years, I find both articles a bit worrying. They certainly seem similar, but my question would be: do these terms have a defined meaning in planning and conservation law? Both are unfamiliar to me here in the UK, but I am wary of supporting a merge of two different concepts. Neither article paints a clear picture of where in the world these terms apply. Both seem very US- based, and I would welcome seeing this clarified.

The approach I would recommend is to read WP:MERGE which gives an outline of the process. I would decide which article I felt is the most appropriate one to merge to. It's important to only have one discussion in one place, not two or three in various places. So I would go to the talk page of the lesser article and explain my rationale for merging its contents into the other article. I'd then place two different templates on the articles. One to say 'this page' should merged into ' that page', and one to say 'that page' should be merged 'here'. They both point to just one place where the discussion is to be held. WP:MERGE breaks this process down into small steps for you to follow.

It can take many weeks - or even much longer longer- to get a reasonable consensus to merge articles. You can hasten the process by going to a relevant WP:WIKIPROJECT and highlighting the discussion on the relevant talk page.

If all this seems too much, simply start a discussion on one page before going through the formal merge tagging, and see what response you get. You could even notify major editors in both articles who have recently contributed to it and point them to any discussion. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

What does “Keep me logged in (for up to 365 days)” do?

When you log out and log back in. It says “Keep me logged in (for up to 365 days).” What does that even do? Meltdown reverter (talk) 23:36, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Meltdown reverter Welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming your PC/phone is set to allow cookies, it means your login name and password will be remembered for easier logging in next time. If you worry that someone esle might have access to your computer/mobile, then don't use that option. Instead, you'll be prompted to enter your password each time you log in. You are responsible for all edits made under your account, and we don't accept excuses like My little brother did it for damaging edits that someone else may or may not have done whilst accessing your account. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Meltdown reverter, and welcome to the Teahouse. Help:Logging in says If you click on Keep me logged in (for up to 365 days), you will not have to give your password again when you access Wikipedia from the same computer. This feature will only work if your password was not automatically generated by the software. ColinFine (talk) 23:53, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Workgroups

What are some relevant policies, guidelines, and essays on workgroups. Anything from an introduction to what a workgroup is to how to create and maintain one would be helpful. TipsyElephant (talk) 04:21, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

By "workgroup" I assume you mean Wikiprojects? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 06:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

What's the difference between a workgroup like WP:UU and a WikiProject like WP:RELIGION? Is the only difference the scope? I wanted to look into the possibility of creating a workgroup within WP:RELIGION for Liberation theology. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano: TipsyElephant (talk) 01:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Question on citations

I'm still new to editing Wikipedia, but I have noticed that a lot of my edits are missing citations, which I didn't mean to, and I apologize. However, I still don't know which websites are reliable, and I try to make sure if websites are reliable or not before using them as sources here. However, it's hard to find sources, so is there any way to find a lot of sources? Jishiboka1 (talk) 10:49, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Jishiboka1! you might want to look at Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources (some common sources, including some that are reliable and others non-reliable. if you like to search for them, try a quick google search for the statement you're trying to back up or the subject you're writing about. happy editing!  melecie  t - 10:55, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I will now look for more sources on reliable websites! Jishiboka1 (talk) 03:38, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Dawn After Dark draft

FYI

 – Moved to new section — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 20:04, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I submitted a draft for review and wanted to know what its status was. Thanks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dawn_After_Dark Noeliagarone (talk) 20:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Noeliagarone! It looks like you didn't add the code at the top quite right, so I've set it up again for you. Just click the blue button on the banner at the top of the draft to submit it. Keep in mind that, as of the time you're reading this, there are 1,021 drafts waiting for review, so it may take some time. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 20:07, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

The backlog is not a queue, so could be days, weeks or sadly, months. David notMD (talk) 02:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Noeliagarone: Welcome to the Teahouse! Before you submit for review, please review Template:Infobox musical artist#associated acts and trim the infobox and/or ensure the body of the article has published reliable sources explaining the association. Also, please remove all the external links (except those in references and the "External links" section). Also, please use italics for album titles and "quotation marks" for song titles. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

How to add pictures ??

I am seriously confused on how to add pictures to Wikipedia because I am new to it . Tunerjiberrish (talk) 06:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Tunerjiberrish, Wikipedia:Images#Image/picture_tutorials has links to useful pages. If there's something that you don't understand, feel free to ask here. -- Hoary (talk) 08:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Changing Attribution

Hi, I am a Wiki novice. I made edits to a page while not having a username. However on further consideration, I'd like those edits associated with my newly created username. I have undone the edits but obviously my IP address still remains on the version history. How do I remove this? I have seen some pages talk about this but it is far to complicated for me.

Thanks Guest107 (talk) 09:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Guest107 Hello and welcome. It is not possible to reassign edits made under an IP to an account. The only thing you can do is while under your account identify any edits you made under your IP address as yours on your user page or user talk page. If you don't wish to reveal your IP address, your IP address can be concealed from the edit history if you contact an oversighter. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

peedy deletion nomination of Draft:QUAFF

 Courtesy link: Draft:QUAFF ― Levi_OP^Talk 00:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I really do not understand from what point my edit looks like an advertisement. The organization is legit in the business and searching users want to verify the organization. The article was written in reference to one of the existing page who are also in the same business, though there isn't any copy/past involved in the same. Kindly help. Tyscutist18 (talk) 00:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tyscutist18: Welcome to the Teahouse. As I am not an administrator I am unable to view the draft prior to its deletion, but following the layout and language of any random article or draft is not recommended (check out good or featured articles for an idea of what a passable article is on Wikipedia). The argument has been brought up many times on here that it has its own section. If the issue is tone, I strongly suggest you look at resources like WP:TONE, Wikipedia:Weasel words, and WP:SPAMMER. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Tyscutist18, it said The company holds expertise in creative development, production et cetera. Putting aside the promotional word "creative", I think you mean that it develops, produces, et cetera. We can infer expertise from its activities. (If it had no expertise, it would implode.) QUAFF is known for their strict curation to ensure the creation and delivery of quality: known to whom? Curation of what? How does "creation and delivery of quality" differ from plain "quality"? Where were the reliable (and of course independent) sources for all this? -- Hoary (talk) 02:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow! This was very helpful. Thank you so much. I have removed the later from the draft as there were no reference to prove the curation bit mentioned in the draft. But I will remove the work creative, if that's considered promotional. Thanks a lot. Tyscutist18 (talk) 10:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Tyscutist18, please remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If an article reads as what the subject wants to say, it is almost always promotional: independent sources don't usually talk about a subject in the same way - and s how the independent sources talk about a company is all that Wikipedia is interested in. ColinFine (talk) 10:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Deleting an article about yourself

Was there a way a person can request to delete an article about themselves on wikipedia? Govvy (talk) 11:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Govvy, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid the answer is No, unless the article should be deleted by Wikipedia's criteria, not yours; which basically means that there isn't enough independent reliably published material available about you to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Since an article should always be based on reliably published sources, and be a neutral summary of them, everything in the article should be material that is already publicly available, and your approval is neither sought nor needed. Having said that, we are concerned that articles are accurate according to the sources, and neutral: if there are problems with the article, please see WP:AUTOPROB. ColinFine (talk) 11:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I'd add that per WP:BIODELETE, some weight is given to the subject requesting deletion. It doesn't really matter how they do it, and it's no guarantee that it will be deleted. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 11:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link Chris Bascombe. Theroadislong (talk) 11:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I commented on that AFD about the proper Wikpedia/Wikimedia process for verifying the person is who they say they are. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Bit of a weird situation for me, I've never spoken to the person about their wikipedia article before, I changed my AfD vote, given him a bit of info what to do. Some stuff I can't say, guess it's a waiting game at AfD? Govvy (talk) 11:58, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Page making

I want to Wikipedia page for my association. I am not professional in Wikipedia writing My draft page is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Premmehloo?markasread=241439504&markasreadwiki=enwiki#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation%3A_Indian_Nurses_Hub_(March_2)

I have 300+ referance links Official website www.indiannurseshub.online Premmehloo (talk) 05:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

No. The four references you provide are PR and/or written by the organisation's principal, plus a Wikipedia article for good measure. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 05:56, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi @Premmehloo! Since it is your association, you have a conflict of interest and are a paid editor. Please read our page about that and abide by the guidelines. Your draft, Draft:Indian Nurses Hub, was declined because it did not demonstrate that it passes the organizational notability guideline. You need to add additional references to demonstrate notability; if such references do not exist, there is no way to create an article on the topic at this time. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Premmehloo. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 10:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

STATUS: Draft:Indian Nurses Hub has been Speedy deleted and Premmehloo has been advised on Talk page of the mandatory requirement to disclose WP:PAID asociation before again attempting to create an article. Per above, advised to try this only if independent, reliable sources references exist. David notMD (talk) 12:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Lingering reference

I've just removed a sentence from Spartacus (film), but the reference to that sentence, #36, didn't disappear from the Citations list. I can't remove it manually from the Edit source page because it uses the "{{Reflist}}" format. (Additional information about the removal is at Talk:Spartacus (film) at section 29, Sentence Removed.) Pete Best Beatles (talk) 07:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I have reformatted your comment immediately above, Pete Best Beatles. -- Hoary (talk) 08:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong, Pete Best Beatles. Reference #36 just points the reader to the next citing of the same work. But perhaps I'm overlooking something: If there is a problem, then what is the problem? -- Hoary (talk) 08:26, 8 March 2022

(UTC)

@Hoary: My mistake. I see now that the ref. 36 above shifted to a new sentence and was adjusted down below (it was late). It's a moot point anyway: the sentence was just added back in by someone correcting the error that lead to my deleting it in the first place. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 13:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

How Can I Boldly Use Wikipedia?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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How Can I Be Bold And Not Violating AIO Policies, Then I'll Become Administrator Right? RyuzakiDavenport (talk) 12:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Wrong. Please carefully read Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:48, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

After several years and thousands of contructive edits, you can apply to be an Administrator. David notMD (talk) 15:25, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

While not violating any policies won't make you an admin, it will indeed help you when applying to become an admin in the future. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:33, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Not evading blocks would be a start. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Rashida Yahaya Bello Article review

Hello, please I'm writing an article which i already found a draft of it, after i edit the article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rashida_Yahaya_Bello a user commented on it that "fails every notability yardstick from BASIC to GNG" meanwhile, the individual I'm writing about is the first lady of Kogi State in Nigeria. Please I will like to know what the criterial are if the first lady of a state is not credible enough. Olaintel (talk) 09:37, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Olaintel, the criteria is WP:BASIC. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, She have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable. you can find the information about here when search on google HERE Olaintel (talk) 09:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Olaintel (talk) 09:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

If that is so, and you have used them correctly as citations in your draft, a reviewer may accept it, unless they find other problems. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I used them correctly, can you also do me a favor by checking the page for any error I might have commit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rashida_Yahaya_Bello Olaintel (talk) 10:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Olaintel (talk) 10:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Olaintel I'm not going to check every ref but 2 points: Find a ref for her date of birth or remove it, see WP:DOB. Also check WP:LEAD, there's nothing about KOWYAF in the body of the article, and no ref for it as written. Try to use an independent one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you, I will do that Olaintel (talk) 11:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Note: The article subject is not the first lady of Nigeria, but the first lady of a state of Nigeria. I'm going to pull out OTHERSTUFFEXISTS to point out that most first ladies/gentlemen of US States do not have articles. This is because Notability is not inherited. (Since it's supported by policy, I feel like an OTHERSTUFFEXISTS explanation is appropriate here.) casualdejekyll 13:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

It's a case-by-case situation, absolutely. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång @Casualdejekyll So what do you suggest? does it mean I can't write article about her or I should wait for the review? Olaintel (talk) 16:09, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

And I will like to know if it's properly summited for review Olaintel (talk) 16:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Olaintel It doesn't mean anything, except that "first lady =/= automatically gets a WP-article." The template at the top of the draft says "Review waiting, please be patient." so you have submitted it correctly. You can keep improving it or edit other stuff while you wait. If you want, you can ask for input on your draft at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red, they may have some good ideas. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I suggest you continue exactly as you were doing, but keep in mind that the subject may not qualify for an article. The relevant guideline is WP:NBIO. casualdejekyll 16:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Transliteration

In India, almost all the Hindi and other languages that follows Devnagiri script words already spelled in English and are commonly used. Most of the articles in Wikipedia about Indian culture and tradition have been spelled English words as commonly used in India. Some user have been editing articles on Indian culture and replacing these English spelled words for Hindi to different Transliteration schemes. This action makes audience interpret or pronounce these words when reading the articles on wikipedia. This action also created controversy because of confusing transliteration because of the words are pronounced with complex tongue movements or nasal sounds. Whats is your opinion on should these words stay as they are used or transliterated to something which a normal reader wont understand or get confused ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neha.thakur75 (talk • contribs)

@Neha.thakur75 -Welcome to the Teahouse!
Wikipedia:Indic transliteration is the relevant guideline. I do not know whether your transliteration or the other editors transliteration is the "correct" one, but what I do know is that transliterations that match this guideline have general consensus, and therefore it is the preferred (although not required) transliteration. casualdejekyll 16:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your response. As per the Wikipedia:Indic transliteration the word रघुवंशी should become Raghuvanshi. What are your views on this.

I have tried the same in google translate which also follows transliteration I got the same result. Neha.thakur75 (talk) 17:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I am not very knowledgeable on Indic scripts. If that complies with what the page says, then it is "correct" for Wikipedia's purposes. Any further questions can be brought up at Wikipedia_talk:Indic_transliteration. Happy editing! casualdejekyll 17:21, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot :-) Neha.thakur75 (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Add Drafts to WP:FOSS Core tasks

I want to have the AfC cases in our domain FOSS listed on our WP:FOSS WikiProject page. I already did some tinkering and I think I was able to add AfC under Article alerts. But the row Drafts is still missing under the section core tasks. Can someone show me where I have to change something to add it?

Furthermore: It seems like not all AfCs are listed. Where I can set up what articles should show up in our feeds? How does this {{wikiProject Computing |class=Start |importance= |free-software=yes |free-software-importance=Low}} template from the talk page plays a role in this? Are there any other ways to associate something to our space? GavriilaDmitriev (talk • they/them) 02:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev: Didn't you ask this already? Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1145#Add_Drafts_to_WP:FOSS_Core_tasks Maybe you could clarify how this question is different and how the previous replies were not sufficient. RudolfRed (talk) 03:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed I changed the message already. And I haven't received any answer to the actual question. The fact that you reply like this shows that the main point wasn't even considered. Should I repeat the question again I just stated? Okay, I will do:

1. How can I add the row Drafts to our WP:FOSS Core Tasks list?
2. Why under Article alerts there are not all Articles for creation mentioned?
3. What do I have to do that an article appears at #2?

GavriilaDmitriev (talk • they/them) 04:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev Could you specify some of the articles that do not appear in your assessment tables? I can only see four drafts. These are in the category 'Other', so which ones are missing?

I would also comment that your project appears to deploy two different assessment tables. There is one version on the main WP:FOSS project page, and a different one at WP:WikiProject Software/Free and open-source software task force/Assessment. Hopefully, if you investigate, you might find this part of the cause of your problem. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

ArticleCheck

Dear Wiki helpers, I wonder if my draft article is Wiki wised written and now I can successfully publish it or not. I would be greatly obliged if you kindly guide me with editing it if there is any room of improvement. Here is the link to my article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shahab_Moradi R30591 (talk) 13:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @R30591, welcome to the Teahouse!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shahab_Moradi#:~:text=Submit%20the%20draft%20for%20review

Click the blue button that says "Submit the draft for review!" casualdejekyll 13:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

R30591 Draft:Shahab Moradi submitted. There is a backlog of thousands of drafts. The system is not a queue - a reviewer could process your AfC in days, weeks, or (sadly) months. Meanwhile, you can continue to improve the draft. That includes converting the URLs to valid references (see note on the draft). David notMD (talk) 20:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Newbie: How do I publish a page?

Hi all, I've been editing for a few months now. My main interest is Wales/Welsh history. I wrote a page that I wanted to publish for Welsh LGBTQ+ history month, but wow! It's harder than it looks. The month is over now, but I'd still like to add it. How do I do this? The page is drafted at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gem_nain/Article_draft If I get started now, I might just finish a page for our Black history month which is October... GemNain (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Gem nain! You can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article to have it reviewed through Articles for Creation. Keep in mind that there is a pretty big backlog right now, so it could take a while for someone to review it. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 16:02, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Gem nain: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could move User:Gem nain/Article draft to Draft:Norena Shopland and then add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft to ask for it to be reviewed. Before you do so, please remove the photo of Socrates and remove the external links from the body of the article per WP:EL. You may also want to read Help:Your first article if you haven't done so already. If you have any personal or professional relationship with Shopland, that would be a conflict of interest, which you must declare on your user page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much.@Bsoyka, @GoingBatty. GemNain (talk) 16:28, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Note @Gem nain - the page has not been submitted for review yet. Click the blue button on the page stating "Submit the draft for review!" when you wish to submit it. casualdejekyll 16:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

It's now at Draft:Norena Shopland. The hyperlinks in the text all need to be removed. Perhaps some can become references. David notMD (talk) 20:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikitables

When making wikitable is it possible to give them a coloured background and also give them rowspans at the same time?  Hamza Ali Shah  ^Talk 19:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hamza Ali Shah Yes. Next to where you define the rowspan, you can add style. For example:

{| class="wikitable"
| Example
| rowspan="2" style="background-color: pink;"| Pink
|-
| Example
|-
| colspan="2" style="background-color: lightblue;" | Light blue
|}

Results in:

Example	Pink
Example
Light blue

― Levi_OP^Talk 20:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Adding information about new area code (not implemented yet)

I was wondering if I should change the name of the article Area code 561 to "Area codes 561 and 728", but the area code has not been implemented yet, so I'm not sure whether I should change the page name, or make a redirect, or just keep it as is until the implementation of the new area code Commander0034 (talk) 20:40, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Commander0034: I created the redirect Area code 728 for you. My suggestion would be to change the name of the article after implementation. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

The Day Lincoln Was Shot (1998)

Moved to new section

 – Also removed duplicate question — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 21:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Was this film actually important? In this film after the assassination of Abraham Lincoln as well as it looks into the personal lives of both men. (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

John Wilkes Booth shot Abraham Lincoln because He and his friends want to kidnap the President. EXCDED (talk) 18:58, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft

Can someone please tell me what you think of my draft so far. Draft:Incineroar THE Pizzaplayer!^{TALK TO MEE!!} _contribs 21:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pizzaplayer219:You didn't capitalize one of the sentences, it's pronouns constantly switch between "him" and "it", and I don't see how this meets notability requirements as it doesn't have a pivotal role in any of the pokemon media. Holduptheredawg (talk) 21:38, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Pizzaplayer219 Your draft looks pretty good so far. One thing I would note is in the lead where it says he was introduced as a playable character.. We use present tense for films and fictional characters unless talking about a flashback or the past. needs to be changed to he is a playable character. Overall though the references are pretty good minus a few. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 21:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pizzaplayer219 The comments above notwithstanding I have added {{Draft}} to it. This will allow you to submit it for review when you are ready Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 21:40, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I will try to get rid of the concerns said above. THE Pizzaplayer!^{TALK TO MEE!!} _contribs 22:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Is my file going to be deleted?

This file File:2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine animated.gif was tagged for deletion from a bot. Is it safe now? It is used by a lot of pages so this is important MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 18:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I saw that the original had 2 sources (see here) and your animation didn't. Maybe add sources for it to not be nominated for deletion? Other than that, everything is fine. Viewer⁷¹⁹/_Contribs! 18:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @MaitreyaVaruna: Welcome to the Teahouse! That's a nice image! It appears that the image will not be "safe" until you provide copyright information about the image. Please read the tag for more information, and see commons:Help:Contents for help with Wikimedia Commons and a link to their help desk. GoingBatty (talk) 18:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Note: For whatever reason the bot added the same message twice. I removed one of the duplicates. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I am extremely confused about what is being asked for. Can you explain what is missing from it? MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 20:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@MaitreyaVaruna: The Commons Help desk is at commons:Commons:Help desk. GoingBatty (talk) 21:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

It's worth noting that some editors might not even know what a Commons is, especially here at the teahouse where newer editors are prevalent (by design). Commons is an international repository of free images. It's also a sister site to the English Wikipedia (here), and therefore we can't help you here anymore. Well, I guess technically we could, but you could get better help there. (The best help is the only good help, if you know what I mean) casualdejekyll 22:40, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

2 questions about {{#expr: ...}}

I'm sorry if these are dumb questions, but:

1. Is it possible to use it with the <math> tag? For example, if I want to find the circumference of a circle with $r=6.7cm$, I'd use <math>C = 2 \pi r = {{#expr:2 * 3.14159 * 6.7}}</math>, but it gives an error.
2. Is there any way to round a number generated by {{#expr: ...}}? I want it to be just 42.097, not 42.097306

I know about {{padright}}, but I what if it's a 6–figure number, or something like that? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi QuickQuokka. Those are good questions. You can use {{#tag:math|...}} and round. {{#tag:math|C = 2 \pi r = {{#expr:2 * 3.14159 * 6.7 round 3}}}} gives $C=2\pi r=42.097$. See mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##expr for features including rounding. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thank you! To be honest, I'm still quite a novice at Wikipedia and Wikitext QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka For future reference, technical questions like this might get more answers and attention at the technical village pump, which is meant for technical questions about wikitext and things like that. ― Levi_OP^Talk 20:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka and Levi OP: I disagree. The question was fine here and got a good answer (in my biased opinion) in 15 minutes. My "Those are good questions" was a reaction to "I'm sorry if these are dumb questions", not an indication that further help than my post might be needed. Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) is for more technical matters than this. They may get annoyed if they are flooded with ordinary wikitext questions which belong here or at Wikipedia:Help desk. If you feel like a novice and want to be treated gently then the Teahouse is good. If you are OK with a little more bluntness and getting links to help pages instead of spelling everything out for you then the help desk is good. There I might have omitted the full code. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

That's true. Something about having math related wikitext stuff seemed a little over the scope of the teahouse, but I guess I overreached. The help desk is probably a better place to go, as it's less for complete newcomers. ― Levi_OP^Talk 23:25, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Inflation embedded "calculator"?

I have seen people embed an "inflation" conversion formula or something in many articles where prices old and new are compared. Where is this shown so that I can copy it? I tried it in one article and I must have screwed it up somehow because it wasn't working. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 23:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Th78blue. Please see Template:Inflation. Cullen328 (talk) 23:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit

Can someone Tell me why my Page was edited at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tropical_Storm_Gombe Gekkotan (talk) 21:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gekkotan: Welcome to the Teahouse! The article was moved to the draft space because it wasn't deemed ready to be in the main article space. It appears other editors worked to improve it a bit, which is perfectly fine considering no one owns any articles here. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 21:52, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gekkotan Here [1] you can see all edits to the page. You can ask the editor who made the edit you are wondering about at their talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:54, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Bsoyka i would like you to see the recent image of the hurricane at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tropical_Storm_Gombe I went on a satalite NASA and Using Imagery Gekkotan (talk) 22:17, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Gekkotan: I see that, and upon a closer look it appears you claimed it as your own work, which it clearly isn't. Where exactly did you find the image, can you give a URL? (please use {{reply to|Bsoyka}} on reply) — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 00:42, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Rejected draft

What to do with a draft which is rejected? Is it impossible to make that an article? Shinnosuke15, 07:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

You don't need to do anything with it. But if this is about Draft:Pathaan_(film), you could wait until after the film has been released, and then look for reviews that might help to establish it as notable.   Maproom (talk) 08:41, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Shinnosuke15: If a draft of yours has been rejected by a reviewer in the Articles for Creation review process, you should not resubmit this draft or attempt to resubmit this draft or prepare or submit a draft that is substantially the same as this draft without first discussing the reasons for the rejection. You may request a discussion with the rejecting reviewer, or you may request a discussion with the community. A discussion will not necessarily agree to a resubmission. ––FormalDude talk 08:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Maproom, suppose the topic of a draft, it can be Draft:Pathaan (film) or not, has gained notability, then what to do? As I know, a rejected draft cannot become an article. Shinnosuke15, 09:25, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

There is a complicated history of this film, under several titles, being submitted and then Declined, Rejected, or deleted via AfD (three times), all summarized at Pathan (film). The film is not expected to be released until 2023. Editing of the draft can continue, but it should not be submitted until after the film is released and reviews and box office performance are published, to be used as references. At that time, a request should be sent to the people who rejected it. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Shinnosuke15 - To expand on what User:Maproom and User:David notMD have said, the reason for the complicated history is not that the film is notable, or that there is any real claim that the film is notable. The film hasn't been released. The reason for the complicated history is simply that a few editors have been tendentious in their efforts to create an article about this unreleased film. I would suggest that a question to ask is whether you are doing yourself and the Wikipedia community any good by continuing to ask about an article, or whether you are wasting your time and that of the community. I think that you are wasting your time and ours, but that is only my opinion. Do you have a reason why you keep asking about it? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

What else has been complicated and inconsistent is how the community has dealt with unreleased films that have had a lot of pre-release publicity. However, in this case, the community has decided several times that this unreleased film is not notable. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, I just asked what to do with a rejected draft. I've got my answer. Maybe I'm wasting you time. Sorry for that. Shinnosuke15, 00:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Shinnosuke15 - There are at least three options as to "what to do" with a rejected draft. The first is to discuss how to improve it to fix it. In the case of this draft, there have already been discussions at Articles for Deletion, three times, and the conclusion has been that it is not notable at this time. It will not be improved until the film is released, if it is released. The second is to do nothing. If nothing is done, the draft will be deleted in six months. The third is to edit it. The draft is being edited from time to time, mostly by unregistered editors, so that it is not about to be deleted. However, any edits that are done will not change the notability until the film is released. That is my answer, for now. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

RT TV - Curbing Spread of Misinformation coming from RUSSIA

Who can edit Wikipedia page for RT TV description page on Wikipedia, RT website and youtube channel. The RT TV youtube channel is managed with or by Bots, it is a propaganda dispensing channel that distorts facts and information about everything but now mainly Ukraine war. If you flipped countries mentioned and the story like, you might get it right but they are painting Ukraine as an aggressor and Russia as a victim. Their comments are all spit out from bots, fake accounts (I checked, many started right before or when war started) and empty profiles) they are all impersonating people who support Russian war, they supposedly come from all countries that are anti this war including America, Africa and Europe. This is insane. Their subscriptions to channel at 4.7M are fake again added through bots and every video you watch includes 1-2 facts then weaves false information changing stories, blaming Ukraine...they even blamed ukraine for bombarding their own schools and killing children. I have reported the channel to youtube/google and they restricted some videos but will do it for as long as it takes for humans not AI to block he channel. PLEASE do your part and update the wikipedia on RT TV to include information on misinformation, propaganda and rewriting history to rightfully discredit these sources of information. Go ahead and do your own research, it's so obvious, nothing is hidden. I have reported over 25 videos and the channel itself and am coming here for the wikipedia community to update information to make it know that these sources are not credible. If you make any comments that are no Pro russia under the videos, their bot instantly deletes them, in fact all external posts get deleted either automatically through the bot apps or manually but they definitely have moderators on that channel to make sure their propaganda doesn't get interrupted with truth bombs. All I as a viewer expect is truth. You can't get it on that channel, you never could but now things are taken to another level and Google is not yet paying attention. If you have any access to Google employees, please alert them. 2601:600:C581:2100:E867:C510:AB9F:8CE1 (talk) 22:48, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm providing RT (TV network) as a courtesy link. Karenthewriter (talk) 23:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. RT/Russia Today is already considered an unreliable source. RudolfRed (talk) 23:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

This seems like WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS casualdejekyll 23:28, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

We can't get Google to correct a fucking misconception that gets us yelled at ad nauseam. What makes you think they'd listen to us on this? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:01, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia can only control content here at wikipedia.org. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. Such sources are overwhelmingly negative about RT and that is reflected in our article RT (TV network). For example, the lead includes: "RT has regularly been described as a major propaganda outlet for the Russian government and its foreign policy. Academics, fact-checkers, and news reporters (including some current and former RT reporters) have identified RT as a purveyor of disinformation and conspiracy theories." PrimeHunter (talk) 01:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Can I cite court documents? If so: How?

I'm trying to draft a page for an obscure artist with almost no records available online. One thing I have found is a lengthy description of legal proceedings later in her life; which shed light on her health and family. Can I use it? If so: How on earth do I cite it?

https://www.courts.phila.gov/PDF/opinions/civiltrial/franklin-2850.pdf MxJenson (talk) 00:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@MxJenson: Welcome to the Teahouse! A court document is almost definitely reliable; I'd probably just use the typical {{Cite web}} template to cite it. Striked out per Meters's comment below. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 00:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC), edited 01:01, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@MxJenson: {{Cite_court}} may be what you are looking for. RudolfRed (talk) 00:48, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

To the contrary. This falls under WP:BLPPRIMARY (assuming the person is still alive): "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person."

And if this person is "obscure", with " almost no records available online" then it appears likely that the person simply is not notable. Meters (talk) 00:49, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Hm. The subject is deceased, and is listed multiple times over in "Women in Red" volunteer lists. MxJenson (talk) 01:21, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I see no issues with using the source to cite facts a la WP:PRIMARY - but NOT for establishing notability. casualdejekyll 02:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Myself, I have cited court verdicts, but only as supporting information for which I have also cited WP:SECONDARY sources. I.e. make no claims about living persons which are not supported by secondary sources. tgeorgescu (talk) 02:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

It's important to note that this is a dead person casualdejekyll 02:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@MxJenson: When drafting an article, you may also use offline records as long as they're independent published reliable documents, such as books, encyclopedias, magazines, newspapers, and journals. GoingBatty (talk) 03:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Landing photo removal

Hi. I have been hired by my local city government to clean up the brand for our city. We would like to remove the photo that is associated with Petal, MS on wiki. Currently when you google our town the first thing people see is a photo of complete disaster caused by a tornado that ripped through our city in 2017. We have cleaned our city up since then, we have a new mayor, new administration and we would really appreciate it if we could get this dang photo removed and replaced with something that is actually appealing. If people want to move here and they search our city, the first thing they see is wreckage. I have already remade them a google business landing page and I have uploaded a ton of new content in an effort to get the auto populated photo to replace itself. I tried to figure out how to remove it from wiki myself but apparently I didn't do it right. I am asking for help from anyone who might be able to assist with this. The city of Petal, MS is getting a rebrand and I have completed all of the job aside from this one thing. Help! 2601:3C3:400:F450:0:0:0:3C7B (talk) 21:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Wikipedia articles don't exist to promote their subjects, although reasonable requests for image changes are likely to be considered. However, the Petal, Mississippi article doesn't have an image - it was removed in March last year with this edit. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

When I google the city of petal the photo thumbnail still appears. The image was removed by me. The thumbnail still appears and this is what I would like to see removed if it is possible. 2601:3C3:400:F450:0:0:0:3C7B (talk) 21:21, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

As Cordless Larry says, the picture was removed from the article a year ago: it has not been in Wikipedia since then. (It is still in Wikimedia Commons, and there is no reason why it should be deleted from there). What Google does with images iis outside the control of Wikipedia: the fact that Google displays it above an excerpt from Wikipedia is Google's doing, not Wikipedia's. (There is a "Feedback" button below it, whereby you could explain your concern to Google).

Probably the best thing for you to do is to take a better picture of the city yourself (so that it is your copyright) and upload it to Commons - there are some pictures already in Commons:Category:Petal, Mississippi besides the tornado one, but they don't look very appropriate to mee. Then make an edit request on Talk:Petal, Mississippi asking that the image you have uploaded be added to the article. When that is done, in time Google will probably start displaying the image currently in the article, though as I say, we have no control over that. ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

how would one go about replacing the removed photo? 2601:3C3:400:F450:0:0:0:3C7B (talk) 21:23, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I would also add that my husband is a senior staff writer for the largest newspaper in our county and sister county - he publishes news about the city of Petal daily and I Understand that wiki operates based on sourced info - but I watch my husbands news reach the masses daily and somehow this photo of tornado damage is still the chosen view of our city. There is not a lack of information, sources, photos, data, content for the city of Petal and its current state. Perhaps the tornado just went viral and that is why it is the main photo used? I just feel that it is unfortunate that because a tornado destroyed our town 5 years ago that we must continue having this wrecked photo appear by the name of the city on the internet. There are plenty of other sources out there including my husbands work and the work of countless others that can verify that the city of Petal is no longer in shambles. The tornado damage was long ago cleaned up and repaired. I don't know what I need to do to make this change happen but I would really appreciate a better understanding. 2601:3C3:400:F450:0:0:0:3C7B (talk) 21:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

The image appear on Google because Google's algorithms think it should. WP has no control over it, though WP is one of the things Google look at. At the bottom right corner of the googlepanel is a link that says "feedback". If you use that, perhaps Google will react at some point.

On providing a new image for use on WP, here is the easy way: Take a new pic with your own camera. That way, you have the copyright of that pic, and WP is very careful about copyright. Then upload it with the process that starts here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Are you only seeing this when Googling? There's a good chance that you may be seeing it on a Google Knowledge Panel, in which case you're going to have to send feedback to Google (there should be a Feedback link somewhere on there). If this is the case, there is nothing Wikipedia can do. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Again, there is currently no photo of tornado damage in the Wikipedia article about Petal, Mississippi. However, Google still displays that photo when people search for information about your city because the photo is still on Wikimedia Commons. It will remain there on Commons because it documents an important event in the history of your city. Let me make it clear that Wikipedia has zero influence on what Google displays as an image accompanying a Google search. None at all. What I recommend is that you take photos that show your city in a better light, upload those photos to Wikimedia Commons under a free license, and make an edit request at Talk: Petal, Mississippi to add the best of them to the article. Photos of businrss district, historic buldings and your city hall are the kinds of things that would be helpful. Most likely, Google will then start displaying a more representative photo. Cullen328 (talk) 21:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! You said that you removed the photo from the Petal, Mississippi article, so I'm guessing you're MeganPitts06. Since you've been hired by Petal, you have a conflict of interest and need to declare it on your user page. You should no longer make edits directly to the article. You may make suggestions on the article's talk page - Talk:Petal, Mississippi - with the {{edit request}} template so other editors can help you. Another alternative is to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thanks for your efforts to keep Wikipedia up to date! GoingBatty (talk) 21:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I am not Meghan Pitts and I do not work directly for the city of Petal. I was hired by the city of Petal to produce their content. I am a photographer. Cayla.campPR (talk) 22:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Tell me what I need to do and how to go about doing it please. If the goal of this site is to produce accurate sourced information then you should want this image of wreckage to disappear immediately as it produces the most inaccurate depiction of this town that there is. If you were to drive here today and look around you wouldn't find anything close to that image. So what should I do? Should I send someone else to the page to do the edits for me? This is all very confusing. Cayla.campPR (talk) 22:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cayla.campPR: I'm unable to understand, how you are trying to remove an image from the article which is not in the article.--CiaPan (talk) 22:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cayla.campPR: You were already told that what Google displays is a business of Google, not of Wikipedia. No one at Wikipedia controls what Google chooses to show, so if you want to get that changed you need to contact Google. --CiaPan (talk) 22:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't know a Meghan Pitts. Apparently there was someone else before me trying to remove this exact same image because it is 5 years old and a city doesn't sit in shambles for 5 years after a tornado. You are talking about the literal brand of an entire city and local government here. This is ridiculous. Who needs to be the one to edit this source if not me or Meghan Pitts (whoever that is)? Apparently only the folks with photos of wreckage and viral content can get anything done around here. Point me in the direction and I'll go to them and get it handled. Either way this photo is coming down. Cayla.campPR (talk) 22:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I see that Cayla.campPR added an image to the article. If this is also you or someone else hired by Petal, the COI declaration info above also applies. GoingBatty (talk) 22:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes this is me. I am trying to get that wreckage photo taken down entirely. I have done all I know to do. I even edited the same page in another language to reflect a current photo. When I go to search and type in petal, MS that wreckage photo still appears, however. Cayla.campPR (talk) 22:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

IF you go to google search bar and type in "Petal, MS" you will see what I am talking about. Cayla.campPR (talk) 22:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cayla.campPR: As several others already mentioned above, the editors of Wikipedia cannot control Google or how quickly they update their info. GoingBatty (talk) 22:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't lot logged in when I originally began this thread. Then I logged in to do more edits. Basically, I am one in the same. I am just wanting to find out if my edits will actually change that image that is currently popping up when I google search the city of Petal. Because the source page linked to that thumbnail of wreckage brings me to the wiki page that I edited already and it is updated when you reach the page - the thumbnail is not, however. Cayla.campPR (talk) 22:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cayla.campPR: As stated by ColinFine above "in time Google will probably start displaying the image currently in the article, though as I say, we have no control over that." Please declare your COI on your user page before making any more edits. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I am trying to play by the rules here. Not intending to upset anyone but this isn't a job that most people know how to do so therefore I was asked to handle it. I live in the city of Petal and I can tell you first hand that this photo is a very incredibly rudely inaccurate depiction of the city. It is a reminder of a terrible thing that happened to us 5 years ago and it just needs to be replaced. That is all I am here to do. I can send over my husband, the news reporter, to do it for me if it is a conflict of interest. Cayla.campPR (talk) 22:23, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cayla.campPR: Thank you for trying to play by the rules. The photo no longer exists on the Wikipedia article. Please reread all the advice above about how you or can ask Google to remove the photo from their website. GoingBatty (talk) 22:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cayla.campPR: As people keep telling you, it is Google and not Wikipedia which placed the photo on the Google search results page. Many people assume an image at google.com is placed by Wikipedia if it's in a Google box with text from Wikipedia and a link to a Wikipedia article. It's a natural but false assumption. I think Google's box has a misleading design. Data fields below the Wikipedia link are also added by Google and not Wikipedia. The only thing which can be assumed to be from Wikipedia is a text paragraph which ends with a Wikipedia link. See Template:HD/GKG for a stock reply. It's possible some Wikipedia edits can indirectly influence which image Google's software decides to place on a Google page, but we do not design Wikipedia articles based on what Google might do. Wikipedia has a license which allows others to display our content if they follow certain rules. Google is one of many sites doing that. We don't control how they display it. commons:File:January 21, 2017, Petal, Mississippi, tornado damage.jpg is a valid image to store at Commons and one of eight images in commons:Category:Petal, Mississippi. The other seven are not from the tornado. We are not going to delete an image from Commons just because Google decides to display it in a way some people dislike. I understand Google's choice is frustrating to you but if we started to delete content whenever somebody used it in a way disliked by somebody else, then we would lose a lot of valid material. You can use the "Feedback" link at the bottom of the Google box to suggest other photos. The request will be processed by Google. Wikipedia will not see the request or have any control over it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cayla.campPR: It seems that there are some missed connections being made here.

• The image you are concerned about is not on the article here on Wikipedia.
• The image you are concerned about appears on Google. I did a quick search with the string you mentioned and found this, which is what I'm assuming you're seeing. That is from a Google Knowledge Panel, which cannot be dealt with on Wikipedia. Please click on the Feedback link (as seen at the bottom) to get Google's attention.
  This is beyond Wikipedia's purview.

Please respond to this message to acknowledge that you understand the issue. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

What's wrong with my draft?

I made the draft Draft:Akash DTH. It is a notable service since it's the only DTH provider in Bangladesh. I am not paid to edit the article, I am a volunteer. While some of the references are from company foundation announcement, I added quite a few independent research paper as a source for notability.

• https://doi.org/10.24018%2Fejbmr.2021.6.6.1150
• https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352555159_Entrepreneurial_Marketing_in_Direct_to_Home_DTH_Service_The_Case_of_AKASH_in_Bangladesh
• https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-31707-2_4

I also added financial times article too. What's wrong with the draft? Greatder (talk) 15:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Greatder: At the top of Draft:Akash DTH, Robert McClenon noted "the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Akash DTH instead." However, Akash DTH redirects to BEXIMCO. GoingBatty (talk) 15:48, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Sun Direct doesn't have any academic sources and only one of several services in the market. Other DTH provider in the region also have their articles, so what's wrong with this one? There's definitely significant secondary sources(40% are acceptable type). The source count is definitely 100+ and has a monopoly in the market. See trend too: [2]

Greatder (talk) 09:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I made a mouse mistake in saying that the subject exists at Akash DTH. The subject exists at BEXIMCO. Akash DTH is a division or subsidiary of BEXIMCO. I am not persuaded that a separate article is needed on this division in addition to the parent company. I would be interested in a clearer guideline as to corporate notability of divisions of companies that already have articles on the parent company. However, as it is, I was not looking for better references, but at whether the division should have a separate article. I will also comment that references are a necessary but not a sufficient condition for notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets (2007)

Was this film actually about solving mysteries? In this film, Benjamin Gates had to follow a clue left in John Wilkes Booth’s diary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, As they were doing that they traveled into three different countries such as France, England, and Washington. Do you think that would be an amazing adventure too? (talk) 19:42, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

It was the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and after that, Benjamin Gates’s great great grandfather had an implicated key conspirator, and Ben and his team had to solve some mysteries, and find the Lost City of Gold. EXCDED (talk) 19:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Someone, who keeps information about old coins.

-- Karsan Chanda (talk) 06:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda, welcome to the Teahouse! Do you have a question? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:47, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

What period is this coin from? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 07:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda, we have a page meant for this type of question, try asking there: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

The r/coins reddit might be helpful to you if you get no answer here, is that a Persian coin?? Govvy (talk) 11:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I have a question about my talk-page.

I have a question about my talk-page. I have my own YouTube channel. I was wondering if I am allowed to promote my YouTube channel on my talk-page. If I'm not, I won't. I am just wondering. Thank you Nathaniel Hamm (talk) 20:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

No. You're not allowed to promote anything on Wikipedia, no matter what. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Nathaniel Hamm, @Jéské Couriano - Note that WP:User pages says "You are also welcome to include a simple link to your personal home page, although you should not surround it with any promotional language. However, if a link to your home page is the only thing on your userpage, this may be seen as an attempt at self-promotion.", and additionally, "a five-page résumé and advertising for your band will probably be too much, a brief three-sentence summary that you work in field X and have a band named Y will be fine."

As I interpret this, this means that a brief mention along the lines of "I am Nathaniel Hamm. On Wikipedia I do X. I also have a YouTube channel which can be found here." would be appropriate, but anything more then stating that you have a YouTube channel and linking it would be not allowed, and a user page that is just a YouTube link would DEFINITELY not be allowed. casualdejekyll 22:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I will take this into consideration Nathaniel Hamm (talk) 14:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Is Using the User Sandbox for LARP purposes acceptable?

as the subject heading says is it accept able to use the Sandbox for a larp purpose?, say you want to create a page for a fictitious "Battle of New York" set in 2030, at first glance the User:Sandbox seems like a great place to do it. but i understand that the sandbox is public and there are still policies that apply to it. so would using the Sandbox to create fake battles be acceptable? a Rookie editor of This Emporium of Knowledge, SirColdcrown (talk) 14:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

The question is why. Having things that look like articles but aren't could be against wikipedia policy especially if it is just false information. If you wanna use mediawiki format to just write an article you could go to another site like miraheze and make your own wiki just for fiction. ― Levi_OP^Talk 14:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:UP#GOALS states:

Extensive writings and material on topics having virtually no chance whatsoever of being directly useful to the project, its community, or an encyclopedia article. (For example in the latter case, because it is pure original research, is in complete disregard of reliable sources, or is clearly unencyclopedic for other clear reasons.)

There is also WP:FAKEARTICLE which states:

Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content

― Levi_OP^Talk 14:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

This falls under WP:NOTWEBHOST. Don't use your user sandboxes for purposes unrelated to Wikipedia. —Kusma (talk) 14:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, this answers my question nicely, i will check out Miraheze for this purpose then. a Rookie editor of This Emporium of Knowledge, SirColdcrown (talk) 14:59, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Need Help with first Edit

I am struggling to read through all the "help" articles, language and terms and links to do a simple edit to a page that will update information posted there that is incorrect. I am looking for someone to advise and/or do the editing for me to make it easier. I don't know if that's even possible but I can't get a response from suggestions to contact an administrator or Wikipedia editor. Can someone help? RodMil612mpls (talk) 17:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

This is a test reply. RodMil612mpls (talk) 17:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

You don't need to read every help page just to make an edit. The great thing about Wikipedia is of course that anyone can edit, and if your edit violates some policy, it can quickly be removed and explained to you why. If it doesn't violate policy, then it won't be removed. casualdejekyll 17:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@RodMil612mpls: Welcome to the Teahouse! To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. If you need help updating a specific article, you can post a request on the article's talk page with a published reliable source. It appears your account has only posted here. If you posted somewhere else and haven't received a response, please let us know where that was so we can help you. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to reply and the suggestions. I have looked at Help:Introduction and find it pretty complicated. I found and started the Wikipedia Adventure earlier and it looks promising. I'm trying to find someone who's edited the page I want to update (Charley Ross) but so far, no luck. If they have edited the page, they might not only be interested in my research (https://charleyross.com) that significantly changes the outcome posted there and corrects history but they might offer to do the edit for me and save me the learning curve. That's what I was hoping for but it may not be that easy. Thanks GB! RodMil612mpls (talk) 18:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Not sure if you're following this discussion on my talk page but I now understand my problem is not adding relevant content, or finding an experienced editor to do it. It's that I don't have a reliable source for the DNA analysis and my research report with 65 endnotes of documentation. It can't be used because it's unpublished. David notMD made a much appreciated edit to the Charley Ross page removing the Youtube reference to our DNA evidence. Yet that same Youtube reference has been published for several years without notice. After 12 years of research, I just want to get the truth out there - it corrects history and the declaration of an Arizona jury that Charley Ross was found. He was not. RodMil612mpls (talk) 15:04, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@RodMil612mpls: Hello Rod and welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse! I've left a short welcome message on your talk page. If you need any help feel free to ask here! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks you for responding and your greeting. I saw your message on my talk page (just figure out what that is) as well. You saw my above response and what I'm trying to accomplish so hopefully someone interested in Charley Ross will connect and help me out. I'm not opposed to learning new things even at age 70 but frankly, Wikipedia makes this difficult. Hopefully I'll connect with an established editor . . . I reached out to 5 who are listed but none even responded. So again, thanks for your reply and suggestions. Rod RodMil612mpls (talk) 18:09, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@RodMil612mpls: If you'd like, I wouldn't mind helping you out with editing. I'm very active here on Wikipedia. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I replied to your thread about conflict of interest: Thanks again . . . I was told there are 2,700+ new articles waiting for review when I attempted to submit one. 4 certified Wikipedia editors told me they would charge several thousands of dollars to publish it for me, one quoted $20,000. Another said Wikipedia does NOT publish original research. I've dug through conflict of interest, reliability/verifiable, etc. I am personally involved in the edit because I did the research the corrects history about what happened to the kidnapped child, Charley Ross. So, who can publish the DNA study that corrects the outcome of the Charley Ross disappearance? It's very frustrating but this is the FIRST helpful and constructive dialogue, actual interaction with a person, on the topic. So thank you very much! Is there a way we can connect privately through email? I can submit to you a draft of the edit I'm proposing? RodMil612mpls (talk) 18:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@RodMil612mpls: I replied to your reply on your talk page. You should not pay those people offering to publish your article as it is a scam. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @RodMil612mpls: One option is post your suggestions on Talk:Charley Ross with the {{edit request}} template. Another option is to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:23, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Michael Kovrig

I am trying to create a page for Michael Kovrig. Right now I am unable to do so since it redirects to the Detention of Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig page. How can I create a separate page to put further relevant information and biographical detail for Kovrig? Adam Scolin (talk) 15:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Answered at the Help desk. Please don't post questions in multiple places. ColinFine (talk) 15:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Should I use {{Cite AV media}} or {{Cite interview}} for this video?

Sorry if this is a question with an obvious answer I'm missing.

Should I use {{Cite AV media}} or {{Cite interview}} for the video I mentioned? It is a video interview.

With {{Cite AV media}} I can point out the specific time where it happens, but with {{Cite interview}} I can point out who's the interviewer, and who's the interviewee.

Thanks in advance. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 15:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

In a lot of situations, which template you use really doesn't matter because the parameters that are being used are probably going to be the same. To answer the question though, I'd probably go with cite av media. In my experience, most citing templates are for published text based material, and cite av media is for anything that isn't text. This can kind of be supported by the fact that cite av media template says it is for "audio and visual works" in general and that only when it's an episode of something or something in a serial format should it not be used. ― Levi_OP^Talk 16:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Policy on reproducibility of Wikipedia examples (math, for me)

I am *guessing* that Wikipedia policy on reproducibility in examples that require computation is that if the example is complex enough that it's an issue (more on that in a minute) then the article should be pointing at a primary source which has some sort of commitment to reproducibility. Does that sound right?

When would it be an issue? Old-school style was to omit details that could be reasonably deduced and filled in by a reader "skilled in the art". This is always a judgement call. Different articles may well have different assumptions about the skill level of the reader. I just put a textbook-level example into my draft article on Draft:Quasilinearization which I feel is about right; details are omitted and no code is supplied, but the code took me a few minutes to write and another few to debug, so it doesn't seem necessary to supply it. But I recognize that opinions may differ.

Is there a policy document somewhere about this? Rob.Corless (talk) 15:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

There is a real dilemma, with different forces pulling in different directions.

(1) Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that can be read by everyone. We should not expect that anyone is skilled in the art. Many of our maths articles suffer from the problem that they are too complicated to be understood by the general reader (who therefore learns nothing), and really only make sense to someone who already understands what the article was trying to say (and therefore also learns nothing from it).

(2) But Wikipedia is also not a text-book, which means that some maths editors will get unhappy about inclusion of explanatory material that looks textbookish. Since textbooks are written to be understood by new students, this practically excludes the writing of maths articles that make sense to anyone to whom the topic is new.

(3) Pointing to primary sources is often unhelpful because they're primary, and because they're often not as clear as later, secondary sources, whose authors have concentrated on making the idea approachable, and who've had time to iron out complexities, and find the best ways to present them. Primary sources are of (valid, encyclopaedic) historical interest rather than of interest-to-understanding.

(4) It's very difficult to point readers to didactic sources by reference or external link, because there is a multitude of text-books out there, with no obvious "right" choice (and different people will have different books available to them), and a bigger multitude of useful YouTube videos and teaching sites by friendly professors. It's hard to put a link in without it being taken out again as an unsuitable external link, or with the argument "why that book, and not this one?". And the few readers who actually understand the article (and are therefore most likely to edit it) have no interest in such links, but are more likely to turn to the article for its historical correctness, and favour the primary source.

I'll be quite honest: I think maths is WP's weakest area by far. It is very difficult to explain maths in an accessible way, and most people who are good at it do it somewhere else, where they have more freedom to do it well. I have no idea what the solution is to this. At the very least, it requires the maths community to realise that no one is reading what they write (or at least no one outside that rather small community). Elemimele (talk) 16:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Interesting! And thank you for the reply. I would hope that math articles are written for the people who are ready to hear the answer; I use math Wikipedia a lot, and used it for my students as well. I take the view that it's not that the reader will start from zero, but rather are sophisticated enough to ask the question in the first place. If they are looking for "Quasilinearization" for instance, they probably saw the word in a differential equations textbook so they already probably know what differential equations are. Similarly, people looking up SVD already know what matrices are. Nonetheless I would expect links in those articles to supporting material (differential equations and linear algebra respectively). So this is not an article written for people who already understand the point of the article in question, but "just about". It makes a difference to me, and I have learned a lot from reading Wikipedia math.

Even so, your points resonate with me. Does the approach outlined above turn Wikipedia into a giant hyperlinked math textbook? Mm, what's a textbook, then? Is that what we want?

Well, I for one really value Wikipedia math and I have done for a long time now. It's only recently (since my retirement) when I have started to contribute, though, and I am still just feeling my way, so those different forces you mention are quite important for me. No original research---good idea. Clear didactic presentations? Blurs the line because research into original didactic techniques may well involve Wikipedia vignettes. Why this text and not that one? I have my favourite textbooks, for sure (and some experience in using them), but I am well aware that there are competitors, some better, some worse. I would hope that we can accept textbook references as being sort of equivalent, when they more or less are equivalent.

So, I will continue to use my judgement, and to listen to others' opinions on the subject, such as yours, to try to improve my judgement. Thank you again for your reply. I will try to write as clearly as I can. It's a hard job, as you point out. I'm starting on the "Requested" articles and have done two now; quasilinearization and zero-stability. I expect people to point out any difficulties with those two articles (assuming there is enough interest in the first place) and I will try to improve them. I'll also continue with other articles, some of which I'm more directly interested in. Rob.Corless (talk) 17:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rob.Corless: Yes, exactly, you said some important things there: one is the difficulty of a blurred line between original research and using your experience to find didactic ways to present the data. The other was a good choice of example: SVD. This is an excellent example; it is a technique that would be phenomenally useful to many biologists, analytical chemists etc., some of whom are probably already using it without knowing (because of its relevance to principal component analysis, which they're using in software packages), but many of them are rather rusty on what a matrix is. It's quite challenging to explain SVD or PCA to a non-mathematician in terms that make sense to them, without also making a mathematician cringe! I think we should be up to that challenge, so I'm grateful to people like you for thinking about it. Elemimele (talk) 20:48, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Now I want to go read the SVD article :)

When teaching the SVD, I used to rely on Cleve Moler's "eigshow" demo, which gave a kinaesthetic experience of the geometric meaning of the SVD (in two dimensions). I'm not sure I have seen any widgets like that in Wikipedia, at all; let's see what has been done! Rob.Corless (talk) 21:04, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Making a wikipedia page

Hello. I was wondering how to make a page without using the sandbox. Is making a page something that has limitations for people with certain amounts of edit. For example, you need X amount of edits to make a Wikipedia page. I was wondering, just so I could make my own page, once I'm more experienced with editing. Nathaniel Hamm (talk) 15:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

You are already eligible to create a page. Anyone can create a page but you need at least 10 edits and 4 days of editing to create it in the Article namespace. The Tips of Apmh 15:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nathaniel. As The Tips says, anybody can write an encyclopaedia article, but people who try to write an encyclopaedia article before they have understood what Wikipedia's requirements are for an encyclopaedia article often have a frustrating and disappointment time. I am emphasising that phrase to try and get the message across that this is a very different endeavour from creating a page on social media or a private website.

Since you are WP:autoconfirmed, you indeed have the power to create pages directly. But that doesn't mean that a page you created wouldn't get instantly deleted or moved to Draft space. I would advise anybody who hadn't already successfully created several pages to go via articles for creation and work on a draft. ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Nathaniel Hamm: Another option: you could make a page as a draft using the Article Wizard - see Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 21:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Anywhere to add suggestions to Wikipedia?

Is there a place to add suggestions to Wikipedia? My suggestion is a new protection level called "Protected", it needs 21 days tenure and 100 edits. I suggest this because there is a pretty big gap between semi-protection and extended-confirmed-protection. Poopykibble (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

​If semi doesn't work well enough for a certain page, just bump it up to extended. I don't really see the need for a new user group and protection level in between, unless you can give an example of where this would be needed. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 19:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Poopykibble: Welcome to the Teahouse! Every Wikipedia policy and guideline page (e.g. Wikipedia:Protection policy) has a talk page (e.g. Wikipedia talk:Protection policy) where you can discuss the topic and make suggestions. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:13, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Poopykibble (talk) 21:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Threat in English language on Japanese Wikipedia

I saw this edit summary on Japanese Wikipedia. I do not speak Japanese and I do not know how to report this threat to that project. I don't know if Japanese editors will translate the English comment to address this issue. How and to whom should I report this threat? Please, see [3]. Thank you. Ooligan (talk) 17:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ooligan: Hello Ooligan! The user has already been taken care of by Nnh on Japanese wikipedia. Nothing we can do here on enWiki. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:45, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thank you Blaze Wolf. Ooligan (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

For future reference, ja.wp has a Teahouse-like page for non-Japanese speakers. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 18:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Jeske Couriano Ooligan (talk) 21:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

New Article/Help With Sources

Hello there,

My name is Alex and I just sent in an article called "The Ivory Coast Crown Jewels". Now, I have a website that focuses on in-depth history and missing artifacts, so I did write a blog about it a couple days ago, but used reliable sources to write it. I can list out more of the sources I used to write both the wiki page as well as my blog, if it helps my chances in getting the page published. Please let me know what I can do! Thank you so much for your time!

Alex 64.126.87.148 (talk) 19:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, if you are talking about the draft Ivory Coast Crown Jewels, which the person who created it I'm assuming is you, then I would first reccomend adding inline citations (since your draft has none). Also, please see WP:RSSELF, for information on self-published sources. --The Tips of Apmh 19:44, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Your blog can not be used as a source. The sources you used for your blog could be, if they meet wikipedia's definition of reliable sources.Slywriter (talk) 23:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Company page getting deleted

Hi wiki community. I am trying to create a page for a company called Resident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Resident_(company)_(2)) but it is getting deleted. I have added reliable sources as reference like forbes, INC, furniture today etc. still article getting rejected. Please advise. Siddhesht (talk) 05:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Siddhesht your draft was rejected by an AfC reviewer meaning they have deemed it unsuitable for inclusion and it should not be resubmitted. They left comments on the page regarding issues with the draft (namely not meeting WP:NCORP and having been previously deleted). Please take a look at the pages they linked and reach out to them for specific assistance. -Liance^{talk/contribs} 06:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Since it appears you created two copies of your draft, for clarity I am referring to page Draft:Resident (company) (2). -Liance^{talk/contribs} 06:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

No English material to reference

I'm trying to publish an article about a digital wallet service in Mongolia. As i've mentioned above the app is for Mongolians and there's next to no source to refer to in English. My article was declined on the ground of references. What should i do? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Most_Money_(Digital_wallet) Bsquizer (talk) 07:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for stating (on your user page) that you're being paid to write this, Bsquizer. You're welcome to cite sources in Mongolian, or indeed other languages, if they're reliable. Your problem then will be waiting for a reviewer who can read Mongolian well enough to determine (i) whether the sources say what they're cited as saying, and (ii) whether the sources are reliable. -- Hoary (talk) 07:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Removing orphan tag

How to remove orphan tag when the page already has a number of linked articles and references?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Electricity_Market_Operator_of_the_Philippines Iemop.djs (talk) 07:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

The first thing you need to do, Iemop.djs, is to link to it from other articles. (Currently no article links to it.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Click on the left where it says "What links here" to see the link that Hoary posted above. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

An article with few sources and links

local political groups / Few sources and links

Hello, I'm new to Wikipedia and would like to publish an article about a small youth politics group in my local area. The problem is that the only sources that I have are from school newspapers (and I am not sure are considered reputable sources of information) which are all physical copies and nothing digital I can link to as my source. Is there any way I can still publish an article like this? Would I have to upload the physical copies too somewhere? Or should I contact my local news station and convince them to publish articles about this ? thank you Cederwoodandroses (talk) 18:19, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cederwoodandroses: Are you connected or affiliated with the group in any way? — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 18:22, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes I think so. All I do is publish their statements in my school newspaper and write columns about them but that's it. Cederwoodandroses (talk) 18:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Cederwoodandroses (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Sources do not need to be anywhere online so that is not an issue. However, I regret to say that I don't think the group that you mention would merit a Wikipedia article at this time. It must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control- that sounds unlikely for a school newspaper. I would also suggest that you review the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization to see if this group meets it- though just based on what you say here, I don't think it would. However, I would encourage you to edit in other areas of the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Alright thank you so much. I will review this. Cederwoodandroses (talk) 18:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

• For future reference 331dot, school newspapers vary greatly in quality and scope. The student newspaper at my alma mater was essentially a noticeboard for various school-related information ("the fencing club will meet at 10 on Thursday", "don’t forget to renew your student badge before September 20", etc.), with the occasional humorous / polemic opinion pieces from the "editors"; I suppose this is the standard for most student newspaper, and obviously unacceptable for almost any Wikipedia claim. On the other hand, the Mancunion is about as serious as the average local UK newspaper (or at least used to be a decade or so ago). (Here, the OP is apparently able to publish whatever they like, so it is probably not one of the highest-quality newspapers.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:20, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

• Tigraan Thank you; I am aware that school newspapers can possibly have the rigor needed to be used as source(for example the The Harvard Crimson is pretty good), but I got the sense that wasn't the case here. 331dot (talk) 10:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

article about a living person

Contribute article

My article is ready. How to add to Wikipedia? Bonnstw (talk) 11:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Bonnstw I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft. 331dot (talk) 11:39, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Where to get proper reference links/etc.

Hi, my name is Matt Barachko. I'm the lead singer of the band, The UV Sound, and I wanted to try and publish a Wikipedia page so that our Google search results appear more cleanly to users. The only problem is that we have no articles written about us (hopefully we will someday), so I'm trying to figure out ways that I can have more valid sources to use so that my article on our band has a better chance at becoming published. I understand we would probably have to have more publicity first but there usually seems to be walkarounds to these sorts of things. Thank you for any help! Theuvsound (talk) 07:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Theuvsound, the band must demonstrably satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (music) before an article can be created. There is no workaround, walkaround, or surfboardaround. (And no, Wikipedia's gatekeepers do not take baksheesh.) I do understand that there's only a tenuous relationship between (A) musical noteworthiness/value/interest/originality and (B) musical Wikipedia-defined-"notability", but that's the way it is here. -- Hoary (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Theuvsound. There are no "walkarounds". None. In order to be eligible for a Wikipedia article, a band must be the subject of significant coverage in independent,credible sources. Thanks for being frank but these standards are mandatory. Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Theuvsound Please note that you will need to change your username to be more individualistic. Please do this at Special:GlobalRenameRequest. To be frank, and I apologize, Wikipedia has no interest in aiding search results for your band. Our only interest is in summarizing independent reliable sources that have significant coverage of your band, showing how it is notable as defined by Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 11:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Theuvsound: What you wrote: "and I wanted to try and publish a Wikipedia page so that our Google search results appear more cleanly to users" is a blatant WP:PROMOTION, one of Things Wikipedia is not. --CiaPan (talk) 12:01, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Misak Terzibasiyan

FYI

 – added header --Maresa63 ^Talk 10:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Misak Terzibasiyan

Hello, i have a question about the page [ Misak Terzibasiyan] . i edited this page before and now i saw an error regarding the external links.would you please guide me how can i remove this error?thank you in advance. Amir.mansour1370 (talk) 10:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC) Amir.mansour1370 (talk) 10:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

The external links must all conform to WP:EL policy. I suspect none of them do. Please remove those inappropriate links and then you can remove the notice.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I request deletion of an orphaned non-free image?

Resolved

 – Someone already did it

Specifically File:CGP Grey stick figure.png. I removed the image in favour of his geometric logo icon, because free content is preferred. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 12:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

NVM, someone already did it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by QuickQuokka (talk • contribs) 13:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

how do i talk to some one?

 Dogecoinsocrypto (talk) 15:11, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dogecoinsocrypto: It depends on what you need to talk about. Often, you can use their talk page (for example, yours is at User talk:Dogecoinsocrypto). If it's about a certain article, you can talk on that article's specific talk page (for United States, that'd be Talk:United States). — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 15:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Help with template

Can someone help me figure which template I should use for name changing of an article. Aka request a move. I don’t know what template I should use. BigRed606 (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@BigRed606: Welcome to the Teahouse. Perhaps you're thinking of {{subst:requested move}}? Of course, if it's controversial, you're also going to want to start a discussion on the article's talk page to see if there's consensus for such an action. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Images which include an advertisement for the photographer watermarked on them

This picture has a watermark on it that advertises the photographer and his website. I didn't delete it because it IS a really great picture, but I'm asking if that watermark is an acceptable element when it's on the Venice article. Alternately, would it be permissible to crop that top 3% of the photo and use that one instead? Fred Zepelin (talk) 16:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Other approaches would be to leave the Commons version as it is, but to display it in articles with the top 3% cropped; and to edit the Commons version to remove the watermark (which in this particular case would be very easy). Maproom (talk) 17:23, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Maproom: Thanks for the reply. How do I display in articles with the top cropped? I can't find any help page on that. Fred Zepelin (talk) 18:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I had difficulty finding comprehensible help on it, and created (by trial and error) this page with some working examples. Maproom (talk) 08:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Never mind, someone else already took care of the ad. Wow! Fred Zepelin (talk) 00:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Also, Commons has a crop tool, linked from every image page. (Although you might have to tinker with your settings first to get it to show up?) DS (talk) 17:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Yep, enable it at c:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 17:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

• I have nominated the photo for deletion on Commons, because I cannot see any evidence for the uploader’s claim of CC-BY-SA. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 17:29, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Repost an edit

How can I repost an edit without rewriting it completely?

I’m in mobile. Glooper 2022 (talk) 16:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Glooper 2022! Welcome to the Teahouse!
What do you mean by "repost" an edit? Could you perhaps provide an example of what you want to do? casualdejekyll 17:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Glooper 2022: Assuming you meant to ask on how to retireve the content's of your (reverted) edit to Half-Life (series), you can use that page's page history (help about what all the links on the page history do) to retireve the Difference between your saved version and the version before that, which can be effectively used to retrieve your changes. You can then open the edit form for Half-Life (series) again, copying back your change, along with a citation to a reliable source. See WP:CITE for how. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Decision Education Foundation - Rejected but now ready for re-review?

I have a draft article on the Decision Education Foundation that was rejected. It can be found at: [[4]]

I've added citations from numerous books and also specified where there was a potential conflict since an author of one of the independent studies was also involved with Decision Education Foundation. After removing an irrelevant section and cleaning up duplicate citations, I believe the article should meet Wikipedia standards but don't want to assume anything. Is there any penalty for resubmitting the updated article? Or, if that's the wrong approach, can someone suggest how I should proceed to get it re-reviewed? I believe the foundation meets the notability standards and that there are sufficient well sourced citations to pass.

Please advise me

Potential conflict: I am employed by the Decision Education Foundation. This was disclosed in my original submission and shows up on my talk page.

Tonypray (talk) 17:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC) Tonypray (talk) 17:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tonypray: Welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for disclosing your relationship with the subject. By no means am I a reviewer, but if you haven't read Your first article, I strongly suggest you do so. You have a lot of external links in the body of the draft, which shouldn't be there (see WP:ELPOINTS, point 2). As someone affiliated with the subject, you also appear to have fallen into the trap of writing promotionally; for example, I don't see the encyclopedic value in letting readers know that the foundation was founded to improve the lives of young people by empowering them with effective decision skills, or that it also works to create awareness that decision competency is important to a well-rounded education (on par with literacy and numeracy). This is suitable for an ad, but for the draft to be considered a suitable encyclopedia article it should be written more neutrally. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the wonderful feedback! I was starting to think I was lost deep in the technical aspects of Wikipedia and would never see the sunrise. I'll be incorporating your suggestions immediately. Thanks again! Tonypray (talk) 17:42, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Tonypray, the main problem you will have in getting your draft accepted as an article will be in finding reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of the subject. I see you have cited 18 sources, but the ones I've check either weren't independent of the subject, or lacked discussion of it. Another issue is the section titled "Citations" – it's not clear what it's there for, and I think you should delete it. And the External links is too long – you should keep the link to the subject's own web site and get rid of the others (or cite them as references, if appropriate). Maproom (talk) 19:10, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

court cases?

HI! I want to write about this court case called McNally vs Regina, because it was very influential on sex and consent law surrounding trans people. However, I am not sure the Wikipedia customs about court cases! Many really interesting cases don't have pages. What exactly makes a case notable? Thank you so much! Heromagnus1 (talk) 23:05, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, there's no specific notability guideline for court cases, so you'd be going off the general notability guideline, which amounts to having multiple non-routine, in-depth, independent sources with editorial oversight and identifiable authors on the case itself. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Heromagnus1 If the case has been the subject of discussion in mainstream news, law journals, or books by reputable publishers (particularly academic textbooks), you might have sufficient sources for an article.

What case is it? Please give a more specific reference, "McNally v R" is too vague. We might be able to do a quick source search and give you more specific advice. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:31, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Heromagnus1: This would appear to be R v McNally [2013] EWCA Crim 1051. A quick Google search found a few mentions in journals and news sources. It appears to have been one of the initial three cases in the UK which set precedence for "gender fraud". I've certainly seen articles for less important cases. I'm not prepared to thoroughly investigate sources, but my inclination is that the subject would pass notability. Please be very mindful of the biographies of living persons policy on this subject. – Reidgreg (talk) 21:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all so much!! I really appreciate your support and I'll go ahead and start making the page. Heromagnus1 (talk) 19:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

wwe aftershock

wwe aftershock is a article that shouldnt exist. it is a smalll article so i redirect to wwe 2k TheSecondComing10 (talk) 18:54, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Reverted. The article (referenced) has been in existance 10+ years. If you are serious, nominatate it for deletion at AfD. David notMD (talk) 20:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Why is Twinkle menu now in big, black, bold letters???

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but why is the Twinkle dropdown menu the title now in big, blak, bold lettering?

It fit in before, and looked like the "Article", "Talk", "Edit", "View history", and "More" buttons, but now it sticks out like a sore thumb.

I checked the Twinkle prefs, but no options. Please fix this. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 20:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: phab:T290280 and phab:T303487 are relevant. Not sure if or when it'll be resolved. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 20:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

In chatting on Discord, it seems a fix is in the works right now, just needs to be deployed. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 20:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bsoyka: All good now 👍 QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 20:09, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: IT's been fixed. See my post relating to this in WP:VPT. Remember, WP:ITSTHURSDAY. Things usually break on Thursday. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Short Film entry

 SachaLynchRobinson (talk) 20:29, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, SachaLynchRobinson! Do you have a question? — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 20:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@SachaLynchRobinson: Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you asking about User:SachaLynchRobinson/sandbox/Fingers Crossed Film? If so, please see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Notability (films), Help:Your first article, and Wikipedia:External links (External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoingBatty (talk • contribs) 22:03, March 10, 2022 (UTC)

References

Hey can someone plz check this Draft: Priyanka Choudhary if it establish notability or not now Akb bhatia (talk) 12:18, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priyanka Choudhary (2nd nomination) still seems to apply. (This is hardly surprising, as the "delete" decision was made as recently as 16 February 2022.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hoary Hey I am unfamiliar with these terms as I am new can you please explain it clearly thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akb bhatia (talk • contribs)

In plain English, then: There are not enough in-depth, non-routine, independent news articles about Choudhary written by identifiable authors in outlets with competent editorial oversight that fact-checks, discloses, and retracts. There is no evidence this actor has significant and/or leading roles in multiple notable films, television series, etc. Your single-tract mind on this front heavily suggests you are an alternate account created specifically to evade sanctions or a block on another account (specifically, Shikagami03 (talk · contribs)). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Akb bhatia: What @Hoary is saying is "Not Now!" and also that there have already been two community discussions held about deleting this article which concluded with 'Delete'. There have also been so many attempts to create a page for this person - and it has been deleted four times now - that we have grown tired of them all. That page can now only be created with the approval of an administrator and that is unlikely to happen for the next couple of years. We would say to you and to those who would create this article that it is simply WP:TOOSOON. I am sorry to disappoint you. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Link a draft page to WikiData

Hello! I'm trying to add a wikidata infobox to my draft on Marianne Lederer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Marianne_Lederer). I now the wikidata exist with the number Q15438360 (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15438360#sitelinks-wikipedia), but I cannot seem to insert it. I've read these help pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikidata and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_person/Wikidata but I cannot figure out how to do this in the draft. Does the draft have to be published before I can do it? I work in the visual editor and have tried in source editing too Thank you! Paristolken (talk) 14:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata will not normally link to Draft Articles, as they are not part of the encyclopaedia, and may never be. ColinFine (talk) 15:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming. I suspected that, but still wanted to give it a try Paristolken (talk) 21:33, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

References

 Courtesy link: Draft:The House of Charity

Hello! So I have been in the process of writing a Wikipedia page about this non-profit organization. My article was declined because of non-verifiable references, so my question today is when I'm writing about organizations, what references should I be looking for or using. I just used the non-profits website. Any guidance would be appreciated. (Also, this is my first wiki article) Hochouston (talk) 16:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

The issue is, notability. Notability is not the same as "important" or "meritorious" or "good". It's a function of media coverage - that is, the extent to which a topic has been noted. You can't show notability for [non-profit X] simply by telling us what [non-profit X] says about itself. Is there any media coverage of the non-profit? If yes, you cite that. If no... well, that's a strong indicator that it doesn't meet notability requirements. DS (talk) 17:01, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hochouston: Welcome to the Teahouse. As DragonflySixtyseven explained, the issue is that you just used the non-profits [sic] website. Notability is demonstrated by good, reliable secondary sources. The charity's website is considered to be a primary source, which has more limited uses on Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:28, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hochouston: Hi there! See also Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), Help:Your first article, and Wikipedia:External links (External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article.) GoingBatty (talk) 21:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Request for a reivew of Draft:checkra1n

a wiki Draft page has been created on the checkra1n jailbreak utility, it would be great if somebody could potentialy review this topic and give advice on where to improve it or even if you deem it ready, make it an official wikipedia artcile

i appreciate if you are unable to perform this task at the moment thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morgan11100 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Morgan11100: I would suggest adding more sources. The article has a single source which is a link to their own page. You will need sources that are indepentent of the article subject. --The Tips of Apmh 17:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

great thanks for the advice, after adding more soucres are you in authority to make the draft an official article Morgan11100 (talk) 18:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Morgan11100, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Hardly any information should be in a Wikipedia article unless it is found in such a reliable, independent source. You currently have two sources, one of which is not reliable (Wikis are generally user generated, so almost never regarded as reliable) and the other is not independent. When you have found several such indepedednt reliable sources, added them, and made sure that every single statement in the draft is corroborated by one of those sources, then you can submit the draft for review by pasting {{subst:submit}} at the top, and it will go onto a pile for a reviewer to get to it. Please see WP:YFA. ColinFine (talk) 19:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Morgan11100: Courtesy: Draft:Checkra1n. (Most) Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but are not Reviewers. Listing supported devices and firmware does nothing of value nor notability to the draft - delete all. David notMD (talk) 20:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC) @Morgan11100: Hi there! See also Wikipedia:Notability (software) and Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 21:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I add text to the end of (my own) paragraph when replying on a talk page?

Yesterday I changed from Legacy Vector to Vector, though when I checked my prefs just now I see Monobook. Regardless, I can no longer type some characters at the end of a paragraph if I pause in my writing. This only happens if I hit "reply" to a post (which is new to me); if I just hit "edit" as I have been doing for years, WP is perfectly functional.

For example, if I'm typing, then decide to go back and change a word or fix a typo, I can no longer continue with the paragraph. Instead, I need to start a new paragraph, then hit backspace to join them together. Now I can't add anything to that paragraph, either at the end on in the middle.

Sometimes I can't add any letters, but other times it's just certain characters. Parentheses seem to be a particular problem: If I add a parenthesis, WP will insert it at the beginning of the paragraph instead of at the cursor.

I haven't explored further to narrow down what the bug is, but it's been more than once. Is it just me, or is this something in queue to be fixed? — kwami (talk) 21:18, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Kwamikagami. The "reply" function you are discussing is very new and may well have bugs. None of us have much experience using it yet. I suggest that Village pump - technical might be place where you are more likely to get an accurate answer. Cullen328 (talk) 21:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I thought it was just new to me. — kwami (talk) 21:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

There is some general discussion at WP:VPT in a section called "[Reply] now appearing after posts". Cullen328 (talk) 21:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Question from MilkYouInBucket

Moved to new section

 – — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 23:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Liz, Eggishorn, and EstrellaSuecia: or DannyS712: Can I open a case for something about forcing unblock on someone, on WP:ARB? If not, where? --MilkYouInBucket (talk) 23:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC) MilkYouInBucket (talk) 23:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@MilkYouInBucket: Why are we pinging seemingly random people, and what do you mean by forcing unblock on someone? — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 23:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bsoyka: I did not ping you. Get out of this discussion now! --MilkYouInBucket (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Right, so anyone can actually help here. I'd like to help you out, but I have no clue what you're asking. Plus, it's at least strange to randomly ping four different people with little apparent reason. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 00:04, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@MilkYouInBucket Please chill, and don't be so aggressive to other editors. That's not the way to get assistance. What help do you need? Please be clearer with your questions. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@MilkYouInBucket: Please don't remove other users' comments without an actual explanation. And no, You are not involved: Shut up! doesn't count, nor is it very kind. Do you have a specific question we can help answer? — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 00:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy note: The user was blocked. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 00:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Trolls on hols. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Riiid

•  Courtesy link: Draft:Riiid

trying to understand what needs to be done to get this page published. 162.84.172.62 (talk) 01:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 162.84.172.62. Did you see the comment "Needs to be rewritten and scrubbed for press release-like tone. Primary editors are either UPE or Paid contributors." that was left by the reviewer AngusWOOF who declined the draft last November? Generally, this means that (1) the subject's notability is not clearly established per Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and (2) that the tone of the article is too promotional. The latter can probably be fixed by some rewriting per Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, but the notability issue can only be resolved by finding better reliable sourcing for the article and then basing the article primarily on what those sources are saying. Wikipedia isn't really interested in what the company has to say about itself; it's more interested in what WP:SECONDARY sources are saying about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome to the Teahouse!
@AngusWOOF declined the submission because it "needs to be rewritten and scrubbed for press release-like tone" and "is not adequately supported by reliable sources". The relevant policies and guidelines here are Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Reliable sources, as well as, of course, Your first article. I would also recommend having a brief glance at Wikipedia:Perennial sources to get an idea of the kinds of sources which are allowed, though a source does not need to be on that list to be used. casualdejekyll 01:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Switching from anonymous editing to an account?

I've been editing anonymously for a while, and I would like to create an account. Is there anything I need to do first, or do I just create it? 99.197.202.188 (talk) 03:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Really the only thing you'd need to do is read WP:Username policy, but other than that you can just create it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 03:52, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

You should also note that by creating an account you will be much more anonymous (unless you use your real name) than editing from an IP address, which enables anyone to trace your location.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:10, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I created the account. --Wikipedian who edited with an IP for a while (talk) 04:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

How to get a "marked up copy" of an article's references

How can I get a "marked up copy" of an article's references. It would be useful when analysing their value (especially for an AfD) to have a sandbox copy of them, complete with clickable links, etc. and other functions available when viewing the rendered results of the {{reflist}} template. It could act as a valuable scratch pad in grouping them, describing, then deleting them, and invoking them individually when expressing an opinion on them.

I did try searching the Teahouse archives, and I did try copying the entire article into a sandbox, then replacing the template with {{subst:reflist}}. Can't blame me for trying, but that replaces it with the code executed dynamically to produce the result I'm after.

So is there a way to collect, like {{reflist}} does, an ordered list without duplicates of the references in an article, as they would be marked up for rendering in the typical ==References== section?  _signed, Willondon (talk) 03:31, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Willondon: Welcome to the Teahouse! Have you tried using User:DannyS712/SATG to generate a source assess table? GoingBatty (talk) 03:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll look more into that after a good night's sleep, but it looks exactly like what I need. Thank you so much for the pointer. Cheers. _signed, Willondon (talk) 04:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I get my translation to main space?

I've translated an article from Mongolian to English. As the original Mongolian article was scarce in reference I did my best to provide some. BTW, I'm an employee at the company whose page I'm trying to translate. Here is the link to translation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bsquizer/Most_Money I've also tried to create a separate Article in English wiki but that didn't go well. It was declined twice as of now.  Bsquizer (talk) 02:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bsquizer: Welcome to the Teahouse! For it to have any chance to become an article on the English Wikipedia, you'll have to add multiple independent published reliable sources that provide significant coverage of Most Money, in order to demonstrate that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If you haven't already done so, I suggest you read Help:Your first article. I also suggest you remove the table with the external links per WP:EL. When you're done, you could move the page to Draft:Most Money and then add {{subst:submit}} to the page to request it be reviewed. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bsquizer. You might also want to look at WP:TRANSLATE and WP:HOWTRANS to make sure you properly attribute any of the content you've translated from Mongolian Wikipedia to English Wikipedia. In addition, if you know who c:User:Badmaa G might be, please ask them to check their Commons user talk page because there are some issues with the files they uploaded that need to be resolved in order to avoid them being deleted from Commons. You might want to also take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Law of unintended consequences and Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Wikipedias in other languages and try to explain them to your employer because they might not understand what a Wikipedia article is intended to be and the policies and guidelines for Mongolian Wikipedia might not be the same as English Wikipedia or they might not be applied as vigorously. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty and @Marchjuly, Thank you for the suggestions. I do know Badmaa G. Bsquizer (talk) 05:47, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Blockquote Error

Hi, has anyone experienced this type of error where you try to blockquote but when you publish it, it looks like it does not have a blockquote. Can someone please help me?

Meiwuzhang (talk) 04:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)Meiwuzhang

@Meiwuzhang: Are you referring to the <blockquote>...</blockquote> tags you're using on Draft:Open: A Boy's Wayang Adventure? The draft looks like it has a pair of blockquotes to me. Have you tried a null edit and purging your browser cache? If that doesn't work, could you please elaborate on what are you seeing, and what are you expecting? GoingBatty (talk) 06:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Song of Lawino, Poem by Okot p'Bitek

I would like to add the following two references to the Wikipedia article entitled "Song of Lawino' Please tell me how. Donna Pido

Pido, Donna. “Lawino is Alive and Well” Jahazi, Nairobi, October, 2007. pp 44-46 Pido, Odoch. “Is Lawino Dead?” Jahazi, Nairobi, October 2007. pp 38-43 154.70.26.12 (talk) 06:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! See WP:EASYREFBEGIN, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Pripyat display error

The infobox for the Pripyat article is broken on mobile, appearing as normal text instead of an infobox. It appears fine on PC. I don’t have enough wiki knowledge to know what the issue is so I would like to bring this to the attention of someone more experienced who can hopefully do a quick fix. Thanks 72.86.45.194 (talk) 07:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks normal to me, using Android and Chrome. Have you tried reloading the page? Maproom (talk) 08:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this issue! It looks okay to me, but if it's still displaying weirdly for you, let us know, and perhaps someone else will be able to replicate the issue. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Reads like an advertisement? how to fix it

I have submitted my article for review twice. First time it was declined on the basis of insufficient notability, second time around there was additional reads like an advertisement warning. I don't know what to do anymore. I'm at my wits end. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Most_Money_(Digital_wallet) here's the link for the draft. Any, pointers? Bsquizer (talk) 07:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bsquizer, these are two separate issues. Let's consider notability first. You need to provide references that demonstrate that it passes the corportation notability standard. The current ones don't look very good to me—this is just an ad, without any author or indication it was published under news.mn's editorial process. It makes me distrust that news.mn as a source. This is an interview, which likely doesn't count. This is too short to count as significant coverage. And this isn't independent secondary coverage. So you have zero qualifying sources, when you need two at bare minimum.

On advertisement, the article isn't too bad imo. So focus on getting coverage. What's Mongolia's paper of record? Have they published reported profiles of the company or similar? If so, add those. If there's nothing like that, then this topic isn't ready for a page yet, and no amount of editing can change that. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:40, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb Thank you for the input. Bsquizer (talk) 09:45, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Need your help to write a Wikipedia page.

I need your help in writing an article for a company and wanted to how to write an article for Wikipedia page. 2409:4040:D83:29DA:0:0:4D48:F201 (talk) 08:21, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP. See Help:Your first article for how to write an article. When writing an article for a company you work for, you are a paid editor and are responsible for abiding by the relevant guidance. Please note that companies that do not meet the relevant notability guideline cannot have articles. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Work on collecting references first. If there are not reliable source references independent of the company, i.e., not the company publishing content about itself, then your project has no chance of success. David notMD (talk) 11:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

My page is not publishing

Graduate Engineering Students Welfare Association Ce1205600022 (talk) 08:25, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ce1205600022, I take it you're referring to Draft:Graduate Engineering Students Welfare Association Uttar Pradesh. That draft is very far from being acceptable. It contains no sources at all. Is this a topic that's been covered in the media that's notable for an encyclopedia? If not, it shouldn't be an article. If yes, please read through Help:Your first article and follow the advice there. Once you've done that, add {{subst:Submit}} to the top of the draft and a reviewer will come by in due time. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I fixed stuff, but right now, the only ref is the assoociation's website. Are there newspapers or e-news sites independent of GESWA that have written about it? If not, there is no potential for this to be an article. David notMD (talk) 12:04, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The draft was deleted by an Administrator as being promotional. The main reason was that the only ref was that of the organization, so the draft was in effect what the organization was saying about itself. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

can i have some tea?

 695LM (talk) 13:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@695LM Welcome back to the Teahouse. I've sent you some tea and some helpful links for getting started on your talk page. Pop back when you next need help or advice on editing Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Question about Wikipedia words in Google searches

Hello, I noticed that when I search for a page like Principia College in Google, on the right of the screen part of the first paragraph from Wikipedia will show up on Google search results. If the current first paragraph has been updated, is there a way to reset the cache or something like that, so the current version of the Wikipedia page shows up on Google searches? Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 04:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Changes made on Wikipedia are not immediately reflected on Google. Google will take its own specfic time to carry them out. Kpddg ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Archivingperson. To elaborate a bit on the above, the content of and images in a Google Knowledge Graph is 100% the responsibility of Google and zero percent the responsibility of Wikipedia. Wikipedia freely licences its content for re-use and other websites can re-use our content as they see fit, as long as they attribute the content to the Wikipedia editors who created it. If you have complaints, take them to Google. Improving a Wikipedia article often (but not always) results in an improvement of the knowledge graph. But again, that is Google's responsibility, not ours. Cullen328 (talk) 06:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)4

Thank you all for your answers, appreciate it! Archivingperson (talk) 16:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Kenkan

Why is the Read tab on all enwiki pages currently labelled "Kenkan"? which is not a word in any language I know.

This seems to be an enwiki-only problem. dewiki, eswiki and frwiki show "Lesen", "Leer" and "Lire", as expected. Narky Blert (talk) 16:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I've noticed this too. Has someone been messing about with some code? – PeeJay 16:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps related to the problem discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Edit tab says siesie? Deor (talk) 17:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: @PeeJay: Forgot to ping, drat it. Deor (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

How to insert straight quotation marks in math formulas?

I'm working on replacing some low-quality images of formulas in applicative universal grammar (example) with wiki markup. However, the MathML renderer doesn't seem to want to straight double quotes. Help:Displaying a formula doesn't say anything about quotation marks. I've tried the following methods, but they all give me a syntax error:

• \"
• putting " inside \normaltext{} instead of \text{}
• \char13
• \textquotedbl
• \textquotesingle \textquotesingle

Using two single quotes sort of works, but they appear as closing quotes and makes the output kind of ugly:

${\dfrac {\text{''my'' :: OTT ''friend'' :: T}}{\text{p q :: y}}}$

{{math}} displays double quotes just fine, but the output isn't as good as the MathML renderer because some of the text touches the vinculum:

⁠"my" :: OTT   "friend" :: T/p q :: y⁠

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Ixfd64 (talk) 08:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ixfd64, hmm, that's rather above my pay grade haha, but Help talk:Displaying a formula has 260 watchers, so I'd try asking there and see if anyone knows how to help. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I posted a question there a while ago but never got a response. But I'll cross-post this there just in case. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Group collaborations

What are the differences between a WikiProject, a Workgroup, and a Taskforce? Are there any relevant policies, guidelines, or essays on the creation and maintenance of each of these? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I suggest you read WP:Wikiproject and WP:Taskforce. I believe a Workgroup is the same as a Taskforce.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Editing an archive

If I've been reading an archive, and notice a text modif (ie bolding, small text, strikethrough) has been improperly closed and interupts read-ablitiy of the archive, is it okay to edit said archive? Example link Isro! (talk) 18:43, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Axisroi, yes! I'm sure there's a line somewhere at WP:Talk page guidelines or somewhere else that permits this, but fundamentally, the more relevant guidance is WP:Ignore all rules. Fixing a broken archive (probably from a lint error) is a clear improvement, so don't let bureaucratic rules about not modifying archives get in your way. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:40, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

FREE Renarldo Cartagena at fishkill correctional BY Maria cartagena (Redacted)

My brother has been in prison 28 years now its time he comes home im seeking to bring attention to this cause — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.254.1.42 (talk) 19:38, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't the place to bring attention to a cause. See WP:PROMO. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 19:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello! Wikipedia is not the place to advocate for a cause; we just mirror what journalists write. So if you'd like to bring attention to your brother, get journalists to write about him, and then Wikipedia coverage will follow. Best, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:42, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

If that's a telephone number, it shouldn't be displayed here. I've asked for admin attention. Elemimele (talk) 19:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Elemimele: Personal information should be oversighted, not just revision deleted by an admin. I've emailed the oversighter team already. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 19:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

What next??

Newbie here. Just put a draft article in my Sandbox. What do I do next? RDLunsfordPhD (talk) 20:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@RDLunsfordPhD:  Courtesy link: User:RDLunsfordPhD/sandbox Please read WP:COI and WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:58, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! RDLunsfordPhD (talk) 21:11, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@RDLunsfordPhD: Also see WP:GNG and WP:PROF for what makes a person with an academic career Wikipedia-notable, and Help:Referencing for beginners for how to reference. David notMD (talk) 21:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Help for new article about the source

HI!! I'm new here and I became with a view to make a page for my favorite artist called LØREN. While I was reading about how to write an article in Wikipedia I saw that my sources have to be reliable and from a trusted and high-quality source. The only sources I can find right now are these sites: https://kprofiles.com/loren-profile-facts/#disqus_thread https://i-d.vice.com/en_uk/article/m7enn8/loren-south-korean-music-interview&ved=2ahUKEwjt5_b08 https://kpopmembersbio.com/loren-profile/&ved=2ahUKEwiyoMzD_r72AhWKRvEDHWW_B9s4ChAWegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0CNVAVghzwxTDX5XTYek6qr72AhUtwQIHHem1C04QFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2OC7-u0OPSZGP-PbPbsHsT https://rollingstoneindia.com/loren-delivers-pop-punk-excellence-on-need-ooo-eee/&ved=2ahUKEwiyoMzD_r72AhWKRvEDHWW_B9s4ChAWegQIEBAB&usg=AOvVaw2kianij-dzrbDVirT17Npg https://genius.com/artists/Lren&ved=2ahUKEwitwq74_r72AhURwAIHHYouC-A4FBAWegQIFBAB&usg=AOvVaw2pjIZUXkA_-7-RUwhMdiaz At a first look that's all the trusty information I can find an I'm sure I'm not going too find more,plus Instagram where the artist and his own company FIRE EXIT RECØRDS have corrected and approved these informations. What I want to say is if there is any chance my article will not be deleted after I post it because of the source. I'm going also to add it to the Wikipedia: Requested Artcles but I would like to have some more information. Also, if I write, do you think is going to be notable and is this enough information? Thank you for your time. Fisforfenia (talk) 21:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Fisforfenia: Some of the links look dead. Have you read WP:NMUSICIAN yet? It seems a bit weak for now. You should read WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. This is very hard to do successfully if you are new. If you think you have enough, you can start a draft at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. It's not likely that another editor will see a request and act on it to create the article themselves. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Checking needed

FYI

 – Moved to bottom of page, added signatures, deactivated {{Expand Chinese}} template which was causing formatting problems — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 17:39, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Onel5969 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) He is a long time wikipedia editor. He didn't improve the article and keeps moving my page. Finally, he wanted to delete it. 15:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngancheekean (talk • contribs) 17:25, March 11, 2022 (UTC)

I think {{Expand Chinese}} is a good tool, so any action next that i can do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngancheekean (talk • contribs) 17:28, March 11, 2022 (UTC)

@Ngancheekean: Please stop accusing people. Can you link to the specific article you're referring to? Also, I doubt this has anything at all to do with race. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 17:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Yan Zhiyi and Yan Han (Jin Dynasty). It is also at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngancheekean (talk • contribs) 17:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The articles themselves definitely don't need to go to ANI. Your conduct and accusations however, most likely do. Did you actually read the edit summaries you quoted there? Also, please always sign your messages, here and on ANI especially. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 17:53, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

What do you want me to say? That is just went missing? I can put back the article but he will blocked again. Ngancheekean (talk) 22:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

GLORY - SUGGESTED UKRAINE VERSION: GLORY UKRAINE

I want to submit a suggested version of GLORY by John Legend and Common with two substitutions of rap sections specific to Ukraine. I would submit the lyrics with the substituted portions. Can I do this, knowing the lyrics are copyrighted? I'm new to this. Harlanpjohnson (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Harlanpjohnson: Welcome to the Teahouse! It depends on the extent to which you plan to use the lyrics in the article. Quotations of copyrighted work within the analytical framework can fall into the fair use provisions within US copyright law (and to a lesser extent fair dealing and related concepts within other jurisdictions). Such quotations can be done through inline text, block quotes, or (in the case of a song) inclusion of an image showing part of the sheet music. However, how much of a song you can quote is open to interpretation, but you should follow the Non-free content policy. ––FormalDude talk 16:42, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Harlanpjohnson. I may be misunderstanding you, but what I think you are saying is that you want to use Wikipedia to publish an alternative version of a song. If that is indeed what you mean, then I am afraid that Wikipedia may not be used to publish original material, no matter how important or commendable it might be. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and all that should go into any article is a summary of what independent reliable sources have published about the subject. ColinFine (talk) 23:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Source with dead/deceiving link. Potentially harmful.

How do I delete it + do I need to explain why I did so in the edit history? The page is "Kolchuga passive sensor" Smitty.henry (talk) 22:31, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Kolchuga passive sensor

hi Smitty.henry and welcome to the teahouse! what link are you referring to? 💜  melecie  talk - 23:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Article being deleted

Hello I just want to ask why my article is being deleted (Article is tuxedo labs) Teardown a creation OF tuxedo labs is an article so why are the CREATORS of teardown not being accepted as an article? Editor123ALOP (talk) 19:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC) Editor123ALOP (talk) 19:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Editor123ALOP: Welcome to the Teahouse! Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 19:53, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Teardown (video game) has had significant coverage in reliable sources, the company has not, so only exists as a redirect to the game. This is quite common. Your draft is not being deleted, but has been rejected. You can see the reasons at the top of the draft.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Alright Thanks! Editor123ALOP (talk) 00:02, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Am I violating policy on rel sources and factual statements?

I recently added in information that (over 90 countries have signed up for Huawei). My source is as below. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/585662-to-compete-with-china-in-5g-america-must-solve-its-spectrum-problem https://www.forbes.com/sites/arthurherman/2020/06/09/whos-winning-and-whos-losing-the-war-over-5g/?sh=2a977d67104e Am I wrong to add into an article saying that "over 90 countries signed up for Huawei"? I think my sources aren't making an opinion but simply stating a fact. Dragonkingluv (talk) 03:47, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Dragonkingluv and welcome to the teahouse! the first source is part of an opinion piece, and while it might state facts, it is better to find a less opinionated source for it as per WP:NEWSORG: Editorial commentary, analysis and opinion pieces, whether written by the editors of the publication (editorials) or outside authors (invited op-eds and letters to the editor from notable figures) are reliable primary sources for statements attributed to that editor or author, but are rarely reliable for statements of fact. the second source is a forbes contributors piece, which is not only an opinion piece, but also don't have as much editorial oversight and as such generally considered unreliable. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

It was a mistake, but how to fix it?

I was in a hurry to create an English version of a page devoted to the Russian businessman and philanthropist Boris Zimin (this person supported Russian science for years, and now there is a concern in Russian scientific society that he might be sanctioned, which would be terribly unfair! It's just an explanation why I was in a hurry). So I made a wrong decision to create a short page of a single paragraph and then develop it into a normal English page. But I underestimated the speed of Wikipedia: in 15 minutes the page was converted into a draft as relying on a single source (though several sources were already at hand, I did not have time to insert them).

Now, the page is a draft: Draft:Boris Zimin

It contains now a number of sources both English and Russian, and I am a bit frustrated because the person who converted it into a draft does not answer, and I don't see what's wrong with the page now. If somebody feels that it requires improvement, please let me know. But if it is OK, how can I make it a normal English version? Mlarisa (talk) 22:25, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

courtesy ping: Robert McClenon 💜  melecie  talk - 23:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Mlarisa, User:Melecie - I didn't move it to draft space. I only put a note on it saying that it had been moved from article space to draft space. It was moved from article space to draft space by User:Singularity42. You asked me on my talk page, and I gave the same answer, and Singularity42 answered, saying that it appeared that you had resolved the issue, which was that there was only one source.

I will add that your mistake was one that is sometimes made by editors creating an article in article space, and that is to create part of the article, in article space, and expect to finish it in article space soon. As you can see, New Page Review is often quick in dealing with clearly incomplete articles, which may be moved to draft space or tagged for speedy deletion. What I, and some other editors, advise, is not to put a fragment of an article in article space. Put the fragment of the article in user space, such as a sandbox, or in draft space. When it is ready for article space, move it to article space.

What you can do now is to wait for a reviewer to accept the draft, which moves it into article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

And now it's reviewed and back in mainspace.Slywriter (talk) 02:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon Thank you for explanation, in future I will be careful with new articles ) Mlarisa (talk) 06:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Slywriter Thank you very much for your help! Mlarisa (talk) 06:53, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Deletion tag in an article

Hi, I added deletion tag in this article: Neena Gupta. I believe the notability is lacking for this person. But my deletion tag was deleted. Could someone review this and let me know why? Logically yours... (talk) 07:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

You never tagged it for deletion, but rather for notability issues. The tag seems to have served its purpose, as it's drawn other editors to work on the article and possibly fix it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 07:25, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

How can i create a person page

Neha Pandey i have referances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AhmdAsjad (talk • contribs) 06:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@AhmdAsjad, see Help:Your first article. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:39, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

You have a track record of creating articles without going through AfC that are then nominated for deletion, also putting an article in mainspace after it was declined at AfC, also creating biography articles of living people without adequate referencing (Tim McGeary), also being warned for removing AfD tags from your articles. If you believe you have refs for Neha Pandey, then I strongly recommend using the AfC process. That way, one reviewer will decide if the draft is worthy, rather than wasting the time of many at AfD. David notMD (talk) 11:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

On further digging, Neha Pandey was recently created as an article (after several failed attempts in the past). It was moved to Draft:Neha Pandey and then deleted. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

moving a draft to article space

I'm trying to move my draft Draft:Da Vinci (magazine) but i'm running into some issues. Mainly the moved page only moves the talk tags and not the content? I've moved it again to draft and it has the same issues Draft:Da Vinci (magazine). WillsEdtior777 (talk) 09:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

You probbably accidentially moved the talk page, though this will now need some extensive fixing to reunite Draft:Da Vinci (magazine) with its talkpage, which currently resides at Draft:Da Vinci (magazine).. If one of the admin folks here at the Teahouse is reading this, could you move Draft:Da Vinci (magazine). to Draft talk:Da Vinci (magazine), where it belongs? Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Admin Deb deleted Draft talk:Da Vinci (magazine) to make room for this move. I completed the transaction by have moving Draft:Da Vinci (magazine). to Draft talk:Da Vinci (magazine). I hope that fixes the problem. —Wasell^(T) 12:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Victor and Deb and Wasell. I'll re-check next time before i move a page.WillsEdtior777 (talk)

Shortcut on MOS

I recently posted an update per a lengthy MOS talkpage discussion, but I realized that I actually do not know how to get a proper "shortcut" to actually link back to an article or section. Can someone please help me to "fix" this shortcut listed here as MOS:SPACEBENEATH. This is listed or referred to in two sections:

1. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Spacing beneath heading and 2. Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Section headings

You will notice that the 'SPACEBENEATH' shortcut link is redlinked (not working) in both cases. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 13:18, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Th78blue! I believe shortcuts are just redirects, you just probably need to make a redirect at MOS:SPACEBENEATH like #REDIRECT [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Spacing beneath heading]] to get it to work. although there's the problem of where you want the shortcut to redirect to, as you can only redirect to one. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 13:25, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, so I tried that just now to hit the "create redirect" button, and entered this text, #REDIRECT MOS:SPACEBENEATH and it failed me. If I have to choose only one, I want MOS:SPACEBENEATH to redirect to Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Section headings. Any further help in getting this to work would be appreciated! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 13:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: I've created the shortcut for you just to help you out here. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 13:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate that! I'll still want to learn what I was doing wrong, but I appreciate a quick fix in the meantime too. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 13:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

To put it into just a few words: A shortcut is exactly like any other redirect, which is like any other page on the wiki. To make a redirect, you just add that bit of code on the page you want to redirect from to point it toward the page you want to redirect to. In this case, that meant creating MOS:SPACEBENEATH with the content #REDIRECT [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style#MOS:SPACEBENEATH]] (along with the {{R from shortcut}} tag just to categorize it), which linked to the specific paragraph where the {{Shortcut}} tag was added on the MoS page. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 14:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

copyright

Someone randomly changed the work I did when I was in the middle of editing

Someone said some text was copyrighted. Copyright is usually the whole artwork or work, not a piece or portion of the text. Are there any copyright experts or anywhere else to get this fixed?  Morefactswiki (talk) 15:00, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Morefactswiki: Please only seek one method of getting assistance at one time. Asking in multiple places annoys people because it is likely wasted effort. (For those who see this, this is also at WP:HD#Copyright). Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy note: user is now blocked. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 15:42, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Poor attitude and complete inability to read and understand information provided by others. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Should I just move this section?

I am writing my MA dissertation about publications by art galleries and similar institutions. I would like to start helping to improve Wikipedia, and thought I would start with the exhibition catalogue page. It doesn't seem to have any references, and in my opinion could do with a bit of a re-write in general.

One problem is that the page covers both exhibition catalogues as would be associated with an art exhibition, and trade fair guides which (apparently? I've never seen it, and there's no citation) can also be called exhibition catalogues.

I wrote a suggestion on the talk page about moving the stuff about trade fair catalogues to the trade fair article. But maybe I should just move it myself? How do I decide whether to do this myself? Any advice appreciated. Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 16:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ascendingrisingharmonising I'm not familiar with the subject, but the opening line is – "There are two types of exhibition catalogue (or exhibition catalog): a printed list of exhibits at an art exhibition; and a directory of exhibitors at a trade fair or business-to-business event." Does your research show that there are two types of publications known as exhibition catalogues? If so, then both types should be left in, if you can find good references. If the opening sentence is wrong, then you should correct it, and only leave what is actually known as exhibition catalogues. I would suggest that you first work on finding good references, and give others who may have an interest in the article time to respond to what you wrote on the Talk page. Best wishes on your projects – both academic and Wikipedia article editing. And thank you for wanting to help. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. In my opinion, there are "two types of publications known as exhibition catalogues" - but one type is almost always known as an exhibition catalogue, whereas the other type is only occasionally called that and usually called something else (and has little to do with what people usually mean by the term). Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 16:46, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Addition to Julien Binford history

His papers are currently held in the Virginia museum of fine arts archive. What topic should the information go under? Finecreek (talk) 16:40, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Finecreek. A possibility would be to create a "Legacy" section that would list museums that hold his paintings and the locations of his existing murals. This article, for example, discusses efforts to save some of his murals. Archiving of his papers could be added as well. Cullen328 (talk) 17:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Soundcloud as a reliable source.

Hello there. I'm reviewing an article for GA status and one of the sources listed is a link to a soundcloud file. I don't know if I should treat this similar to an archive.org link or if it's an unreliable source altogether. Any opinions? NSNW (talk) 23:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@NSNW, can you give us the link and the statement it's trying to support? Soundclouds are managed by the artist, typically, so I'd guess it's likely suitable only for supporting WP:ABOUTSELF material. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:53, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing. (https://soundcloud.com/qanonanonymous/episode-123-international-qanon-the-netherlands-feat-marc-andre-argentino). The source is referencing the fact that a researcher identified a trend in how QAnon followers attempt to bring female followers into joining the theory, (the article I am reviewing is Pastel QAnon). NSNW (talk) 01:09, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I would also like to add that the source is isn't necessary for the text. There are three sources besides the SoundCloud source that are accurate being used to cite the claim. I'm mainly doing this for future reference if I ever come across a SoundCloud source that's by itself. NSNW (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@NSNW, ah, well in that case, I'd say the principle applies that it matters who the source is and what their credentials are, not what platform they're publishing on. So just as YouTube isn't normally reliable but a YouTube video from a YouTube video from The New York Times very much is, so too a Soundcloud audio file can be reliable, but it'd be have to be from a reliable source. I'd have to look more into it to say if Marc-André Argentino or QAnon Anonymous meet that bar, but that's the relevant question. Hope that helps! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Alright then, I will probably just ask that the source be removed. There are already reliable sources that cite Marc-Andre Argentino, so it shouldn't be a problem; thank you. NSNW (talk) 19:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear, Team Why did you decline the page I created?

Dear, Team Why did you decline the page I created? Mytom3 (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Anshuman Tiwari (musician). The draft was declined by a reviewer. Reasons given in the decline notice. The reviewer's name is on the review, so you could ask that person on their Talk page. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but not to function as reviewers. David notMD (talk) 17:06, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mytom3: Hello Mytom3, Welcome to Wikipedia! Your page was declined because your page does not have reliable sources. It means that there should be significant coverage about the person in reliable sources. You should add those references in your page. You can search on Google to find more references about him, than add them in article. I suggest you to read WP:General notability guidelines. Thank you. Happy editing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IconEditorMaster (talk • contribs)

More to the point, there is an additional set of guidelines for musicians (see WP:MUSIC). And the image of Anshuman is about to be deleted, as it was taken from his website, wich is copyright protected. David notMD (talk) 17:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Mytom3 - If I had been the reviewer, I would have declined Draft:Anshuman Tiwari (musician). Please do not annoy multiple editors by asking them for guidance. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

edit and update a wikkipedia page

Good day, i edited and updated a wikipedia page but it was reversed, how can i have it approved and unreversed? Markegwu (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Markegwu: As noted in the message on your talk page, you are trying to delete a lot from the article with no explanation. Please discuss it on that article's talk page. Don't edit war. RudolfRed (talk) 23:37, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

thanks, how do i get to the artcles talk page? Markegwu (talk) 23:45, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Dave_Umahi RudolfRed (talk) 23:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Markegwu. The first thing you should do is check the page history of the article in question and see if the editor who undid your changes left an edit summary explaining why. The edit summary might contain a list of relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines that applied to your edit (sometimes this includes links (i.e. words indicated in blue) where you can find more specific information. If you find an edit summary and don't understand what it means, then you can start a discussion about the edit you made on the article's talk page as explained here. If you're not sure how to use an article talk page, you can find out more information on that here. Wikipedia is a collaborative editing project and often there are disagreements between editors about what content should be added to articles and what content should be removed. When that happens, the best way to try and resolve things is through discussion to see if a consensus can be established either way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Chemical information

Hello I'm looking for someone named Berek on the Wikipedia to check my chemical information here at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterium_-_Neutron_Fusion Gekkotan (talk) 12:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Before you do that, Gekkotan, please remove all the inappropriate capital letters ("Unimageable [sic] Amounts of Energy to Be Released", etc), and rephrase "Some Politicians think its wonderful and it is in most cases" in an (of course referenced) way suitable for an encyclopedia. -- Hoary (talk) 12:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Deuterium–neutron fusion Moved to draft by another user. 108.52.196.8 (talk) 13:23, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Gekkotan In my opinion, you have a serious competency-is-required problem. In looking at your contributions to date, I see two drafts that were declined and seven that have not been submitted for review. Your writing consistes of run-on sentences and sentence fragments, and inappropriate word capitalization. Draft:Abell 1836-BCG is an example. The only reason Draft:Cyclone Gombe approaches a valid draft is because other editors have written most of it. I strongly recommend that you stop creating new drafts, then either improve or abandon your existing drafts. David notMD (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Gekkotan check out WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Gekkotan has been editing only since March 2nd. David notMD (talk) 00:50, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

external links

Hi my question is that how I can add external links Fashijanjua (talk) 00:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

External links must not be to company websites, as that is considered promotional. You have attempted to add metsolar to three articles. That is considered attempted spamming, and can get you indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 00:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

if i want to add this website then Fashijanjua (talk) 00:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

You can see the guidance at WP:ELNO. RudolfRed (talk) 00:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

 92.45.19.32 (talk) 00:51, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Basically, a company website can be an extenal link only if the article is about the company. Same for people. David notMD (talk) 00:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

New article

When can i share my idea of an article to be created — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infotrex (talk • contribs) 13:00, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Infotrex and welcome to the teahouse! you can create an article yourself actually, see WP:Your first article. if you feel like it may be too hard for you right now, you can shelve it for now and come back to it once you have enough skill, or drop it in WP:Requested articles and someone may be able to make it if they know of it too. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 13:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Truth is, Requested articles is pretty much a dead letter site, meaning that article ideas are submitted, but nothing happens. David notMD (talk) 16:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

That's not entirely true! Sometimes I go through and remove the obviously-not-going-to-happen ones (i.e. the repeated request for Chris-Chan under various titles which has been discussed far beyond extensively) casualdejekyll 02:57, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

My question on the Draft: Open: A Boy's Wayang Adventure

Hi, this is an editor Meiwuzhang. I want to ask tgis wuestion, if a book has almost bo reviews from a newpaper, is it possible to have reviews from a magizine? 151.192.141.108 (talk) 05:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Meiwuzhang, books are reviewed in various places, so it's certainly possible a book not reviewed in any newspapers would be reviewed in a magazine. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meiwuzhang (talk • contribs) 05:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Meiwuzhang. The format of the publication, namely whether it is a newspaper or a magazine or an online source is not important. What matters is whether or not the source qualifies as a reliable source. When it comes to book reviews, reviews written by professional journalistic critics or academics carried in a respected general circulation publication will carry more weight than an amateur review in a small local publication. Cullen328 (talk) 05:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Noted, I can resubmit my draft now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meiwuzhang (talk • contribs) 05:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

How to become a host in Teahouse

Can you tell me how to become a host on Teahouse? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:5C17:7652:27D9:A01F (talk) 02:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Becoming a host at the teahouse requires you to be extended confirmed, which additionally requires you first to create an account (which has many other benefits) and have 500 edits + 30 days of editing casualdejekyll 03:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Of course, the title of "host" confers no privileges or authority; it's generally given to users who are regulars and give helpful answers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The most important factor, by far, is to consistently give accurate, informative and friendly answers at the Teahouse. I agree with Casualdejekyll that, if you want to become a "Teahouse regular", that it would be advisable to create an account. Cullen328 (talk) 06:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

verify my article

Shadeen Anglin plz verify AhmdAsjad (talk) 06:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Forum-shopping won't help. You've received the same responces on IRC, the AfD, and now here. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 06:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Which Twinkle warning?

I want to warn this person using Twinkle. Which warning fits their behavior? lol1VNIO (talk • contribs) 09:00, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Lol1VNIO and welcome to the teahouse! I really don't think Big forehead really fits the category of libel, doesn't really harm their reputation. maybe just typical disruptive editing or vandalism? happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 09:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

AfC for Captain Robert Hicks has been rejected by one reviewer

If anyone is able to assist me in saving this article from its current "rejected" status, would they be kind enough to do so here: [[5]]? - I find it difficult to be in two places at once! Would a change of title, making the article about the Hicks family, be more acceptable than being focussed on Robert Hicks? Anne (talk) 19:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry but no amount of assistance is going to make the subject (or their family) notable enough to become the subject of a Wikipedia article. You have already been given very good advice.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Per this comment, also see WP:OVERCOME. — {{u|Bsoyka}} ^talk 20:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Captain Robert Hicks, North Carolina Militia

Anne None of the information in the draft suggests that the Hicks family as such would be Wikipedia-notable. As for this being about Robert, that would mean removing all content not directly about Robert and seeing what was left. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Kanmani_Pappa

Draft:Kanmani Pappa plz review it and movie AhmdAsjad (talk) 07:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

AhmdAsjad you had a notice of paid editing for Kanmani Pappa but have now removed it. Why? If you are paid then you need to declare this or your editing privileges will be taken away. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

To date, you have attempted to create eleven articles. Are you a paid editor for all? You declared paid for only two, then reverted one. Status: one existng article, four closed AfDs, one article at Proposed deletion, two articles Speedy deleted, one article currently at AfD and two drafts. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

WP have dark mode?

If have, how to activate it? Success think (talk) 11:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Success think! Yes, Wikipedia does have a Dark Mode option. You need to switch it on in preferences first so that the Dark Mode will appear at the top of your page to toggle on or off. Detailed instructions for this are on this page here. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 12:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Accessing old TP’s

Hi... anyone please, how can I access old talk/archive pages? At the moment I’m only able to read/open up Active Discussions... but for older discussions I can’t seem to get? Can anyone suggest anything?

I using Iphone-6plus with Safari browser if that makes any difference? Thank you in advance. 81.108.244.153 (talk) 12:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 81.108.244.153. Check the top of the article talk page to see whether there are links to its archives. For example, if you look at the top of Wikipedia talk:Teahouse, you'll see a search window and an index for previously archived pages. There are various ways for a talk page to be archived, but usually all of them involve some kind of index at the top of the current version of the page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Adding images of stamps to articles

Dear All One of the ways I would like to edit and add content to the Wikipedia is y adding good quality images of stamps. Sometimes they add details or a visual reference where no photography is available. they also, are a part of culture and history. I am reading the guidelines but caanot find a way to address this question. Let's say I want to add the jpeg of a stamp to this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_C.II

You can read at the article that this aircraft was used also by hungarians. There is already a picture of the austro-hungarian plane. On 1968, the Magyar Posta (Post office of Hungary) made a stamp of this same plane. I add a link to the image, (https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/moscow-russia-july-postage-stamp-printed-hungary-shows-lloyd-c-ii-airplanes-serie-circa-lloyd-c-ii-airplanes-serie-circa-236719531.jpg) I must say that I own a copy of the stamp and will scan it in high resolution, etc...

Where do you think that this image can be added at the article? I don't see the place to add another image and the article is perfectly edited. Can you point me where I can find the guidelines for adding more images, like stamps? I have a HUGE collection, maybe when we speak about flowers and animals this depictions can be of some value, in any case, they are an art expression, from my point of view.

Some help? Thanks in advance. Tmg-pmi (talk) 09:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I did this for one article years ago and my addition of a photograph of a U.S. stamp was reverted as a copyright infringement. On the other hand, if I go to Commons and search on the word "stamp" there are literally hundreds of thousands of images. David notMD (talk) 10:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The copyright rules for stamps vary country-by-country and by age of the stamp. Hence it gets complicated. The index page for all this is on Commons at c:Commons:Stamps. Please make sure, Tmg-pmi that you have read the relevant rules carefully before you upload any images to Commons, or you may be wasting your own time and that of others who have to delete images that don't have the appropriate license. In general, Hungarian stamps are probably not in the public domain. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Soccer ( Football ) museums and Halls of Fames in the world List_of_sports_museums_and_halls_of_fame_in_Australia

we have in Western Australia the Football Hall of Fame Western Australia which was established in 1996 to preserve the history and memorabilia of soccer / football in Western Australia and we hope to establish a museum this year for that sole purpose , which we believe will be the only dedicated soccer / football museum in Australia So I was asking how we get to record our Hall of Fame and Museum on Wikipedia please Thank you, for your time Elizabeth Re President Football Hall of Fame Western Australia 2001:8003:8808:5A01:FC7D:E9E0:3296:117A (talk) 12:49, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 2001:8003:8808:5A01:FC7D:E9E0:3296:117A (aka Elizabeth). What you should do it go to the article's talk page at Talk:List of sports museums and halls of fame in Australia and make an edit request. At the top of the talk page, you'll see a tab called "New section". Click on it and a window will open when you can post your request. Follow the instructions given here and post your request. Generally, it's a good idea to use the template Template:Request edit for such requests and there are instructions on how to use the template found on its documentation page. Once you've added your request, click on "Show preview" to make sure things look OK. If they do, click on "Publish changes" and your request will be posted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Elizabeth, and Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, I'm going to disagree somewhat with Marchjuly. While you could indeed do what Marchjuly says, I would reject such a request unless you can adduce the independent reliable sources required to establish that your Hall of Fame and Museum meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

Another way of putting this is that the answer to your question "how we get to to record our Hall of Fame and Museum on Wikipedia" is "You don't. Wikipedia is not here to advertise your endeavour, however laudable it may be. If it meets the criteria for notability, then we could have an article on it (and it could be mentioned in the list); but such an article would not belong to you, not be controlled by you, and would not necessarily say what you wanted it to say". ColinFine (talk) 15:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

New Here

Hello Everyone,

I am new to Wikipedia, and I submitted a biography about two weeks a go. It's called Dr.Foz; but now I cant access it; I get this Redirect message every time and I don't know what to do to get access to the draft. I'm just wondering when is it gonna be published on the internet?

thank you,

Shaimaa

Shaimaa2 (talk) 15:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Shaimaa2! The Draft still exists, here, it appears to have been renamed by Dan arndt so perhaps that is why you're having problems finding it. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 15:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Shaaimaa2, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your article has been moved to draft space, and renamed Draft:Fawzzeyyah Zeid Al-Durai by Dan arndt, who has regrettably not left you a message anywhere explaining why. Looking through the references quickly, it looks as if many of them do not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria of being reliably published, independent of the subject, and conatining WP:significant coverage of the subject. Please have a look at WP:NBIO for information about the sourcing required.

The fact is that creating a new article is much much much more difficult than most people realise, and if people try to create an article as the first thing, or almost the first thing, that they do in editing Wikipedia, they usually have a frustrating time. Your attempt is not bad as regards its formatting, but I'm afraid that you haven't yet understood the requirements of sourcing. My advice would be to leave the draft aside for a few months, while you work on existing articles, and leqarn about sourcing. (The draft may get deleted after six months if you do nothing to it, but you can continue to improve it from time to time as you come to understand what is needed). ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Promoting all presidents to good article status

I would like to work towards getting all the presidents to at least good article status. I was wondering if someone can evaluate all the presidents articles that are not good or featured articles on what their issues are and figure out which articles will be easy to work on and which articles will need a lot of work before reaching featured article status. Interstellarity (talk) 21:02, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I'd recommend you check out the US Presidents Wikiproject, which is intended to organize work on those articles. I'm not sure how active that project is, but it does have some tables to overview the current state of those articles. It takes some work to evaluate an article, so it might be best to choose one to focus on and ask specifically about it.--Noren (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

There are lots of articles about presidents and most of them probably have banners for WikiProjects on the tops of their user talk pages; so, that might be a good place to start. You’re also probably going to need to be clearer about which type of articles you asking for help on. Are you talking about biographies about individual presidents of countries, organizations, institutions or companies? Are you talking about more general articles about the office of president, or list articles about the president of certain countries? The word “president” might mean different things to different people. — Marchjuly (talk) 21:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: To be clear, I am talking about the biographies of the individual presidents who served as president. Interstellarity (talk) 21:39, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Interstellarity - I think you missed the point of the question in giving an American-centric answer in an international Anglophone community. There are approximately 200 countries in the world, and I would guess that more than half of them each have an office of president, where the others either are monarchies or have some alternate governmental system. There have been hundreds, maybe a few thousand, individuals who have served as president of a republic. You were being asked whether you meant President of the United States, current heads of state, or what. This is an international encyclopedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Interstellarity, Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Vladimir Putin are just two newsworthy examples of the "individual presidents who served as president". Although both articles look very good to my inexpert eye, neither is "good" (let alone "featured"), and I think you'd have your hands full getting either promoted. -- Hoary (talk) 22:08, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: To be even more clear, I have no interest in promoting those articles to good article status. What I would like to do is focus on the US presidents. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Your best bet, in my opinion, is to discuss what you want to do with the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Presidents (as suggested above by Noren) because that's where you're likely to find editors familiar with these articles and interested in helping you. Check out WP:POTUS#Task 1 because that seems to be one of primary goals of that WikiProject. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Interstellarity Interesting proposal. Per WP:POTUS#Task 1, 30 of 45 U.S. Presidents' articles are currently either GA or FA. Of the other 15, most are either Failed nominations (examples Kennedy, LBJ) or Delisted former GA or FA (examples Jefferson, Ford). Appears only Buchanan (C-class) and Hoover (C-class) have never been nominated. The article on President Obama achieved FA in 2004, was reviewed and kept 11 times, then reviewed and demoted in 2021. David notMD (talk) 00:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Interstellarity, making U.S. presidents a good topic is a monumental, frankly unrealistic goal. I would start by looking a little smaller—check out the FARs for the delisted FAs and see if any of them have low-hanging fruit that'd let you get them back up at least to GA. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with Sdkb. MarchJuly pointed out that there are editors who have already been active on U.S. President articles. The Delisted list (former FA or GA): Jefferson, T Roosevelt, Ford, Bush (senior), Obama, Biden. The failed nomination list: Monroe, JQ Adams, Buren, Trump. Or else first tackle the two never-nominated: Buchanan and Hoover. My own multi-year task has been to raise all vitamin articles to GA. Out of 13, 9 are now GA and one Vitamin A nominated and awaiting a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 10:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Speaking of FAR - one suggestion of a US President article where there is discussion and a current, detailed review: the current FAR discussion for William Henry Harrison. While that article is currently Featured, it's in danger of losing that status and could use help- which arguably has just as much practical importance as getting a new article promoted. --Noren (talk) 16:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Translation without proper attribution

Hi there, I noticed that several of the articles I wrote on the French Wikipedia have been translated here in English, however without proper attribution (per WP:TFOLWP). One example: Shigisan Engi Emaki. Any idea how to fix it now? Binabik (talk) 00:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Binabik: Add the template {{Translated page}} to the talk page, and do a dummy edit naming the originating source with the edit summary. Notify the translating editor. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

If you'd like, you can use the {{uw-translation}} template to warn the editor. DanCherek (talk) 00:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

If the article was rated by a Wikiproject, you might also want to remind the editor who rated it to check if an article looks like it might be a translation from another wiki before rating it. I catch unattributed translations in the WP:GERMANY assessment queue all the time. -- asilvering (talk) 04:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers! Binabik (talk) 19:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Edits being deleted

Hello, I was recently editing the most recent episodes of "Immortal Songs: Singing the Legend" and after I completed the edits, all the section for episodes airing in 2022 was deleted and I'm not sure why if I've been editing the episodes for several months and this is the first time this happens. Any ideas of what could be the problem? Thanks! 189.207.39.74 (talk) 17:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

In looking at the edit history, you had one edit where you removed your own edit. Perhaps this was unintentional? 331dot (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

It was, as I thought I could just redo the text that was deleted from the previous version, but it didn't work... what I don't get is why the whole section of episodes aired in 2022 gets deleted instead of just the portion that I added? 189.207.39.74 (talk) 18:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I reverted your second attempt, as that also made the pre-existing 2022 information invisible. Maybe someone else can detect the error. David notMD (talk) 20:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Kentucky records

On the list of sec basketball championship records the info about Kentucky is in gross error. 2601:840:8600:81C0:787F:92BB:BFBC:F6A7 (talk) 21:01, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please direct comments about a specific article to its associated talk page; all articles have a talk page associated with them to discuss any issues related to that article. For example, the talk page for Joe Biden is located at Talk:Joe Biden. If you are using the full desktop version of Wikipedia, there is a link to the talk page at the top of every article.(I don't know how to access it in the mobile version off the top of my head, but others here do). 331dot (talk) 21:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Can an (auto)confirmed user on the Hebrew Wikipedia please nominate this page for AfD?

(Sorry if this is not the place to ask, as I don't know where to ask on the Hebrew wiki)

FYI

 – autoconfirmed requires 100 edits on the Hebrew Wikipedia

he:מיקמק has a singular source, and I think it should be deleted, but I can't add the AfD template, as it's semi-protected.

Additionaly, the previous deletion "discussions" were mainly either just votes, "I like it", "It's popular", or "It's Israeli". I think it should have a proper discussion. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 17:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: If you need help with the Hebrew Wikipedia, ask there. This is the link to that Wiki's help desk: [6] RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, each Wikipedia sets its own rules for deletion. We don't count "votes" here on EN Wikipedia, but the rules at HE Wikipedia may be different. RudolfRed (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Why does /t_S/ and /k/ sound alike? And why is it frequently switched with another? e.g. chicken and kitchen.

Nothing to say here. IloveUveryMuch (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@IloveUveryMuch: Welcome to the Teahouse. I think this question will get better answers at the language reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. IloveUveryMuch (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Byte amount

How do you see the amount of bytes in a page? Oixyplanet (talk) 00:14, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet: Use the "Page information" link in the left sidebar. RudolfRed (talk) 00:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Flickr image

Can we upload image flickr image of Whitehead's Broadbill even thou the license is still "All rights reserved" and the author has given me permission at the image's comment section to use it? 2001:4455:364:A800:8DD2:1C0D:9772:C258 (talk) 01:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

It depends on the exact license that it has. Please link the image you are asking about. RudolfRed (talk) 02:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

This [7]. 2001:4455:364:A800:8DD2:1C0D:9772:C258 (talk) 02:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! the image can be uploaded if the uploader officially changes the file's license to something like creative commons, since it's still currently all rights reserved. see WP:IMAGE for more on this. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 03:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Bascially, the copyright holder of the image needs to do something like this. If they want to do that, then great. If not, there's no way for the license to be uploaded for use on Wikipedia. However, make sure they understand that once they release the work on an acceptable Flickr license and it's uploaded to Commons, they can't really change their mind at a later date. They're not really transfering their copyright ownerships to another person, but rather just releasing their work under a license that makes it much easier for others to use. As long as, the reusers comply with the terms of the license, they can continue to use the file without needing to ask for additional permission as explained here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Tell this guy to stop

User:Ripomobo11 without a break reverting sourced material from MS Dhoni. Dhoni receives money from playing cricket in Indian premier league means he's a professional cricketer. But this user writing in lead that he's former profesional Cricketer. You have to do something about it. This user looks incompetent to write here, but still doing these things even other users warned him on his talk page. Success think (talk) 03:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Success think: Welcome to the Teahouse! Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I suggest you start a discussion on the article's talk page: Talk:MS Dhoni and invite the other editor to participate. Hopefully you'll come to some consensus, and then you can tackle all the other issues with the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

How can I get the article below approved?

Hello guys, I would like to know how to get the article below approved. It's be sometime now. Thank you.

Draft:Today News Africa Thewashingtonimmigrant (talk) 03:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thewashingtonimmigrant! As the message on the draft says:

This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order.

As of whenever you're reading this, there are currently 1,021 submissions waiting to be reviewed, so it could take some time. Just be patient and someone will have a look eventually! Bsoyka (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Approval

I'm freshman on Wikipedia. Can you tell me how I'm able to know that the article I created is approved or not? Is there any sign on the article page? Or I must wait some kind of notification letter.

Thanks in advance. Kamron99 (talk) 15:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kamron99: It is already in article space, but I see that from the deletion log at Draft:Kateryna Gornostai, Explicit deleted the draft on 27 February on grounds of deletion criterion G7, while Kateryna Gornostai was created in article space on the 26.
@Robert McClenon: Has there been any substantial change between the draft and this article? As I don't have a draft to compare it to, I'm contemplating moving this into draftspace if there isn't any. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Tenryuu - I didn't see the draft. At least, I don't think I saw the draft. I do see that User:Kamron99 corrected the omission of articles, which was the reason for my tagging it for copy-edit. I also see that User:Kamron99 reverted edits by User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång, and am not sure why they did that. I don't understand the original question by the original poster, who asks about approval. Are they asking whether the article has been reviewed, so that it will be indexed? If so, why? That question is usually asked with regard to search engine optimization. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:00, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I saw that the draft and the article were more or less the same, and left a message for User:Kamron99 that it is not necessary to create the same article in both draft space and article space. I can't be sure about details, because the draft was then deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Why move Kateryna Gornostai to draftspace? David notMD (talk) 16:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

As much as I would like to assume good faith, the timing of creating the subject in mainspace versus when it was deleted seems a little too coincidental. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

What I have difficulty assuming good faith about is an editor asking about whether an article has been "approved" when it is already in article space, because that usually means they are interested in search engine rankings. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

My best guess is that the creating author started with a draft, then decided to move the content to mainspace on 26 Feb, then realized the draft still existed, so author-requested the draft be deleted on 27 Feb. If the article is not mainspace worthy, then move it to draft, but if the only problem is you do not know what happened, I suggest you query the article creator. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Which is the reason I'm querying. Newcomers skipping the AfC process tends to raise a few eyebrows. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The use of the AFC process is optional. I do not ask questions about why new editors skip the AFC process, which is slow. However, I do ask questions about why new editors ask about reviewing and indexing, and I ask questions about why an editor would request that a draft be deleted when there is an article. User:Kamron99 - What exactly are you asking about the article, and why are you asking? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Kamron99 You are being asked to comment here. David notMD (talk) 18:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, well, This editor came and first edited on 19 February, and edited through 1 March, including a draft and an article on Kateryna Gornostai. They then made one edit, on 13 March, to ask this question, and didn't stay around for the answer. Well, well. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA PAGE

Hello, I am a musical artist and i wanted to get a wikepedia page about me, what method do u propose ? 41.200.214.141 (talk) 20:48, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Make an account and on your talk page site your works. You can edit your talk pages at any time if you are using the same type of pc as me you can go to the top of your page and click edit DMPenguin (talk) 20:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

DMPenguin's suggestion isn't helpful. The reality is that you ideally should have zero control over what an article says about you, and having a Wikipedia article is something many later come to see as a problem. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP user. Wikipedia does not have "pages", it has articles, typically written by independent editors unconnected with the subject, in which they summarize what independent reliable sources say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- for musicians that is written at WP:BAND. 331dot (talk) 21:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

• Hello IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse, we are glad to have you, to add to what my friend and colleague 331dot has already explained to you, please you may find reading WP:FAMOUS to be quite helpful. Celestina007 (talk) 21:51, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

If you tell us your name, we can look for independent sources that have written about you and your work, and tell you whether or not we feel you meet our notability criteria for having an article about you here. See WP:NMUSIC for those criteria. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Also see WP:AUTO, as Wikipedia strongly recommends that people do not attempt to create an article about themselves. David notMD (talk) 05:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

how to use reference link

how to add reference link in biography example:Hina Khan at Bollywood Hungama Publiconline123 (talk) 09:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Publiconline123 Try WP:TUTORIAL. WP:BLP may also be helpful to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Review Sanjeev Tyagi.

Please review the Draft:Sanjeev_Tyagi and let us know the problems with the article so that we can remove them and resubmit it. Columbidae5 (talk) 08:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thi draft was Declined and then Rejected ten months ago, and that was after a mainspace article about Tyagi went through AfD and was Deleted (look at that for reasons). Most of the refs confirm roles he has played. NONE of that contributes to establishing notability. What is missing are content and refs to articles published about him in reliable source refs. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit Request Declined

Hi, I'm working on the Taiwan+ page via the article's talk page as I have a COI (disclosed on my profile). I've been working to supplement the article's talk page with secondary sources that support that the information is verifiable and has clear evidence of significance. I tagged the edits under the request edit template, but when I navigated to the COI noticeboard I noticed that edit request is listed as Declined. I'm wondering if it's possible to see why the request has been denied, and generally how to attract the attention of more experienced editors to the page. For example, I have several Mandarin-language sources listed that I don't know how to get the attention of a bilingual editor about. I was also wondering if COI editors are able to add photos to a page, like the addition of a company logo, and where I might find info to help with that process if it's permissible. Thanks! Rchouman (talk) 09:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rchouman. When a edit request is declined, the editor who reviewed the request usually leaves an explanation as to why and then marks the request as answered. Your request was declined by an editor named Bilorv and the reason why Bilorv declined the request is given here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rchouman: your first edit request was partially implemented by me, as you read and responded to. If you have another specific change you are suggesting ("Add this source accompanied by the following sentence: ___", but not "Can somebody find and add more sources about X?"), then you can make a new edit request. If you make an edit request as normal with Mandarin-language sources, somebody with sufficient expertise should come along and answer it eventually, and there's not necessarily a way to speed up that process. Volunteers patrol the list of edit requests according to their own interests or areas of knowledge; there is no order to the queue or fixed time in which a request will be answered. For questions like that of the company logo, you could leave a message at the Teahouse itself, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment (depending on how specialised the query is). — Bilorv (talk) 12:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Confusion in shortlisting reliable sources in fintech for citation regarding

I am trying to edit the page about fintech. When I google the term and go through the articles. They all seem to have some valid point or the other. However, most are blogs or articles written by people in the field. As you know fintech is a recent phenomenon, and not all the sides are covered in respectable publications. Moreover, some of the publications like New York Times are subscription based.

How do I go about finding reliable sources for the edits that I want to make? Please help.

If I did, that will be my very first edit on Wikipedia. Mvsudhakaran (talk) 13:25, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mvsudhakaran. If you're a newcomer here, I'd advise starting slowly. Looking at Financial technology, specifically as it is now, the article could do with some clean-up before more gets added. For example, citations 11,12, and 13 are all to the same source so WP:Named references should be used to consolidate them. Using subscription-based citations are fine (#10 is just that currently) and obviously it helps if you personally have access to the publications you want to use. Citations are there to ensure that statements in articles can be verified by readers but we don't insist that all readers have easy access to all sources. If there's something you want to add but are unsure about, then use the Talk Page of the relevant article, e.g. Talk:Financial technology, to discuss the issue with other editors first. WP:RSPS is a help page for sources generally considered reliable. Good luck! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Mike. I will paraphrase my understanding of your thoughtful suggestion.

I will go to the Talk Page and flesh out the content I want to include in the page. Then, I will get the help of other editors to take it forward.

I think that should work. Thanks for the tip. Mvsudhakaran (talk) 13:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Photograph of a Victorian Artist

I would like to upload this. It is of a painter who died in 1853. It is possibly from a from a magazine that no longer exists. Would this be available as Free Use? BFP1 (talk) 13:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC) BFP1 (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC) BFP1 (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@BFP1 Welcome to the Teahouse. For a magazine that old, you'd have no problem uploading it to Commons as its copyright will have expired long ago. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The photo is old but what if the magazine folded say 20y ago? BFP1 (talk) 14:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The relevant date is the date that issue was published. If that was before 1923, you can upload it. If after, it's complicated. Maproom (talk) 17:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe Maproom is slightly wrong, since WP:COPYEXP says the threshold (for a US photograph) is 95 years pd (after publication) which comes to 1926 (not 1923).

It is entirely possible that the photograph was published later than that, if the photograph was found in the archives of the journal or something years after being taken, in which case it is still copyrighted. That is of course another demonstration of how crazy copyright laws are. "Yes, I apply my artistic skills to make a photograph, but only if it someone’s estate can still make royalties off of it in 250 years" said nobody ever.

All this assumes a US copyright (i.e. first publication in the US). "Victorian" might indicate UK, in which case the rule is 70pma (after author’s death). If so, PD seems like a safe assumption: with the photograph taken in 1853 at the latest, and the photographer dying in 1953 at the earliest, they would be both one of the longest-living persons ever and one of the youngest 19th century photographers. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@BFP1: Hi there! You could ask at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright, and provide all the information you have about the image. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

can someone explain this: Cite error: The named reference ":1" was defined multiple times with different content .

Hello, can someone please explain this error and how to fix it? thank you, Rymknows23 (talk) 11:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rymknows23. Try looking at WP:REFNAME and H:CERDK because I believe they cover the problem you're having. Basically, somewhere in the article there are two or more citations defined as "<ref name=:1>citation information</ref>" and the software is confused about which one to refer to when the reference is subsequently invoked using the syntax "<ref name=:1 />" at other locations throughout the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Basically, to simplify what Marchjuly said, somewhere in the article you have <ref name=:1>A</ref> and <ref name=:1>B</ref> and the software Wikipedia runs on is confused as to which one is meant to be <ref name=:1> . You can fix it by figuring out which ref the ref name is meant to belong to and removing the name=:1 from the other which will just change it to a ref. If you're trying to use different refs for ref names then you can simply just give one of them a different ref name. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

That's one of the reasons that the advice at WP:REFNAME suggests it is bad practice to use names that are simple colon+number (and number alone won't work). Editors are supposed to use names that have some relevance to the content of the citation, so it is less likely that someone else will accidentally choose the same name. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:50, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Most likely, Rymknows23 did not introduce such reference names as :1, :2, ... themselves, but rather used the visual editor which creates such reference names. Unless we ask them to switch to source editing, there is nothing they can do about it. (As much as I hate visual editor, I must admit it is more newbie-friendly.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Actually, the ref error (which I have fixed) was slightly different. At Draft:FoodBeeper. ref name=":1" was used twice with intent to identify the same ref, but there was a typo in the second ref text. I changed the name at the first usage to "Boueche" and used the / method for the second usage. David notMD (talk) 15:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

David notMD (talk), thank you so much for fixing the problem. ~~~~ Rymknows23 (talk) 16:01, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

can someone please tell me how to fix this: Orphaned non-free image File:Foodbeeper.png

I received this recently and I don't get what it means. Also I can't upload the image however I tried. I would appreciate it if someone could help me in this. Thank you, ~~~~ Rymknows23 (talk) 16:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rymknows23. It appears that you uploaded a non-free image intending to use it in an article you were working on, which is currently a draft. Non-free images are not allowed in drafts, and the image was not used in an actual article. So, the image was deleted. Do not worry about images at this time. Focus on improving your draft. Cullen328 (talk) 16:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Okuike is an orphan

My first ever article Okuike is an "orphan".

But it links to other articles, and other articles link to it too.

So why is it an orphan and how can I fix it?

Thanks! Yamateigirisujin (talk) 17:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Yamateigirisujin. You are correct that the article is not an orphan, so I have removed the orphan tag. Cullen328 (talk) 17:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Mind games

which games are mind games and how are they played? 41.114.55.145 (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps this link will give you a place to start: Mind Games (disambiguation). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Help with Conflict of Interest Request

Hello - Last month, I made a conflict of interest edit request to the Hikvision page in response to the request on the page for updated company information. I understand and appreciate that there is a high volume of requests waiting for review, but is there any way that I can move this process along or assist? I can be patient for a response from an editor, but I wanted to make sure there is nothing I can do to help on my end. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated - thank you! Mikesdsu (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there a html doctor in the house?

I'm sure I am making a really silly error with this syntax but as I don't speak HTML, I can't see what it is:

Without serifs or other adjustment (as in [[Trebuchet MS]]), an uppercase {{angbr|i}} <span style="border: 1px solid #ddd; background-color: #fdfdfd; padding: 1px 1px; font family: Arial, Helvetica;">I</span> is indistinguishable from a lowercase {{angbr|L}} <span style="border: 1px solid #ddd; background-color: #fdfdfd; padding: 1px 1px; font family: Arial, Helvetica;">l</span>.

which produces

Without serifs or other adjustment (as in Trebuchet MS), an uppercase ⟨i⟩ I is indistinguishable from a lowercase ⟨L⟩ l.

— Letter (alphabet)#Typeface and font

In my preferences, my Wikipedia settings font is Trebuchet (for exactly this reason) so I can see that the result is not a straight l, not Arial or Helvtica, so it is not working as expected. I have also tried font: Arial, Helvetica, that doesn't work either. (Most of the rest of the markup is stolen from {{char}}.) Could someone point out the error of my ways? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman: Welcome to the Teahouse. Out of curiosity, have you tried font-family instead of font, and limited it to either Arial or Helvetica? I'm using the default font so I can't see any particular difference save for the background padding you've added. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

By George, she's got it! I do believe she's got it!. (I confess to having tried various syntaxes here before saving, so what I posted first wasn't actually my original consistent syntax and ended up with a bit of a dog's breakfast: I have put that right in case anyone else is looking at this and I don't want to be totally embarrassed.) Yes! The missing link was that hyphen: font-family: works, neither font family: nor font: do. Here is the proof:

Without serifs or other adjustment (as in Trebuchet MS), an uppercase ⟨i⟩ I is indistinguishable from a lowercase ⟨L⟩ l.

— Letter (alphabet)#Typeface and font

Thank you, Tenryuu! --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:13, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

At the risk of rudely discarding all your hard work, I've noticed you can get the same styles with {{sans-serif|{{char|I}}}}, so I went ahead and added that. On second thought, maybe it should be {{char|{{sans-serif|I}}}} ?:S... The end result looks the same, it just removes the duplicated CSS declarations from article space. The implied declaration font-family: sans-serif should hopefully appear as either Helvetica or Arial on most browsers, and it should also play nice on those very rare systems where neither Arial nor Helvetica are included as default fonts. Cheers, RoxySaunders (talk · contribs) 17:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@RoxySaunders: Thank you but sadly I'm afraid that doesn't work if the sans-serif font in your preferences includes an ell with a tail: for the description to be guaranteed to be accurate, the fonts have to be specified by name to be certain of getting a 'straight' ell. Otherwise, otherwise.

I don't have a Linux or MacOS box, just Chrome OS and Windows. Are there other fonts that I should add to the list? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Notable people of Kasur

citation of reference from Dr.Riaz Anjam's book about the writers of Kasur Rehana Tabassan (talk) 20:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rehana Tabassan, could you clarify what you need help with? Is there an article you are trying to edit? Best, -Liance^{talk/contribs} 21:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Does this apply to Kasur#Notable people? David notMD (talk) 21:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I assume this is about Kasur#Notable people, but I'm not sure what you're asking, Rehana Tabassan. If you're offering a source for some of the people already on the list, you're welcome to add citations (see WP:REFB): make sure you give bibilographic information such as publisher and date, so that other editors can judge whether the source appeaqrs to be reliable.

If you're wanting to add further people to the section, you need to make sure that either there is already a separate article about them, or that there could be one, because they meet Wikipedia's criteria for notabillity.

If you're not confident to edit the article, please start a discussion on the talk page Talk:Kasur explaining what you want to do, and what your source says. ColinFine (talk) 21:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)