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GA nominations

Albums

This includes record albums, soundtracks, and video albums.

Lucid (Aṣa album) (talk | history | discuss review) (1 review, 10 GAs) Versace1608 (talk) 20:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Review: this article is being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). (1 review, 0 GAs) BlondArkhangel (talk) 06:25, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Born in the U.S.A. (talk | history | start review) (39 reviews, 75 GAs) Zmbro (talk) 14:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Note: Co-nominated with Moisejp
Something Else from The Move (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 13 GAs) VirreFriberg (talk) 02:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Life Cycle (Sakerock album) (talk | history | start review) (9 reviews, 8 GAs) IanTEB (talk) 21:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Horses (album) (talk | history | start review) (1 review, 6 GAs) Holiday56 (talk) 02:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
A Storm in Heaven (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 13 GAs) MusicforthePeople (talk) 13:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Songs from How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying (talk | history | start review) – 2012 EP by Nick Jonas – (0 reviews, 1 GA) Artmanha (talk) 01:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
People...Hold On (talk | history | start review) (3 reviews, 3 GAs) Reppop (talk) 15:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
80's Ladies (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 0 GAs) HereIGoAgain (talk) 02:01, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Note: The article was re-nominated due to an error in prose, spelling that caused the GA nomination (at that time) to fail and has been subsequently addressed in a copyedit request, fixing those issues.
The Feminine Divine (talk | history | start review) (142 reviews, 131 GAs) BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Blood & Chocolate (talk | history | start review) (39 reviews, 75 GAs) Zmbro (talk) 21:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
An Evening with Silk Sonic (talk | history | start review) (207 reviews, 49 GAs) MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Gula Gula (talk | history | start review) (383 reviews, 652 GAs) Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Solar Power (album) (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 26 GAs) De88 (talk) 04:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Songs

This includes songs from any era.

Stronger (Kanye West song) (talk | history | start review) – 2007 single by Kanye West – (590 reviews, 98 GAs) Kyle Peake (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
I Wonder (Kanye West song) (talk | history | start review) (590 reviews, 98 GAs) Kyle Peake (talk) 20:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Cómo Se Cura una Herida (talk | history | start review) (10 reviews, 111 GAs) Magiciandude (talk) 22:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Zari (song) (talk | history | start review) – 2024 song by Marina Satti – (0 reviews, 12 GAs) Nascar9919 (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Not in Love (Crystal Castles song) (talk | history | start review) (18 reviews, 35 GAs) Skyshifter (talk) 22:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
The American Dream Is Killing Me (talk | history | start review) – 2023 single by Green Day – (1 review, 2 GAs) Leafy46 (talk) 18:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Outside (Mariah Carey song) (talk | history | start review) (19 reviews, 7 GAs) Heartfox (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm in It (talk | history | start review) (590 reviews, 98 GAs) Kyle Peake (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I Wanna Be Your Ghost (talk | history | start review) – 2022 single by Gen Hoshino – (9 reviews, 8 GAs) IanTEB (talk) 17:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Stayaway (talk | history | start review) – 2919 song by American band Muna – (6 reviews, 57 GAs) Changedforbetter (talk) 18:59, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Moon (Kanye West song) (talk | history | start review) (590 reviews, 98 GAs) Kyle Peake (talk) 20:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Bottle Pop (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 3 GAs) MrHyacinth (talk) 00:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
If I Thought You'd Ever Change Your Mind (talk | history | start review) – Song written by John Cameron – (0 reviews, 13 GAs) VirreFriberg (talk) 21:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Marching Through Georgia (talk | history | start review) – American marching song by Henry Clay Work – (0 reviews, 0 GAs) DannyRogers800 (talk) 22:21, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
H.A.M. (talk | history | start review) (590 reviews, 98 GAs) Kyle Peake (talk) 13:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Girl, So Confusing (talk | history | start review) – 2024 promotional single by Charli XCX and Lorde – (0 reviews, 26 GAs) De88 (talk) 20:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Talk That Talk (Twice song) (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 6 GAs) Lililolol (talk) 19:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Every Night (Hannah Diamond song) (talk | history | start review) (18 reviews, 35 GAs) Skyshifter (talk) 13:02, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Cherry on Top (Bini song) (talk | history | discuss review) – 2024 single by Bini – (4 reviews, 0 GAs) Royiswariii (talk) 11:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Review: this article is being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). (1 review, 0 GAs) RFNirmala (talk) 10:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Kyu-Kurarin (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 0 GAs) Nux-vomica 1007 (talk) 00:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys (talk | history | start review) – 2024 song by Taylor Swift – (38 reviews, 67 GAs) Ippantekina (talk) 08:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Fate ((G)I-dle song) (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 6 GAs) Lililolol (talk) 01:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
The Black Dog (song) (talk | history | discuss review) – 2024 song by Taylor Swift – (2 reviews, 24 GAs) Gained (talk) 08:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
On hold: this article is awaiting improvements before it is passed or failed. (11 reviews, 1 GA) Medxvo (talk) 09:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Pink Pony Club (talk | history | start review) – 2020 single by Chappell Roan – (0 reviews, 12 GAs) Nascar9919 (talk) 03:08, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Unicorn (song) (talk | history | start review) – 2023 song by Noa Kirel – (0 reviews, 12 GAs) Nascar9919 (talk) 18:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Deletion candidates

The Chill Out Project

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One of a set of Walled garden articles, of a series of seemingly non-notable compilation albums, all created by the same mostly single-purpose account. These being form the Philippines may cause some problems, but in my before I could find no coverage to suggest these pass WP:NALBUMS. I also can't find anything on the series (The Chillout Project) and so don't think a redirect there would be an appropriate alternative. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 11:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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I am also nominating the rest of the entries in this series because, as I said above they all were created by the same SPA and all don't appear to suffer the same lack of coverage:
The Lounge Story (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The Chillout Project: House Sessions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The Chillout Project: House Sessions 2 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The Chillout Project: Sisters of the Sun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The Chillout Project: Acid Jazz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 11:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Comment: The Chillout Project (different from The Chill Out Project) is another entry in this series, seemingly the main album article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BerryForPerpetuity (talk • contribs) 14:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I've just nominated the 5 albums that have articles thus far. As I said in the nom, I couldn't find anything on the series as a whole either so don't imagine it's anymore notable than the albums, but I didn't want to bundle too much in here. Articles for the other two albums (Soundtrack to Modern City Life and The Chillout Project: House Sessions 3 House Sessions 3) were separately redirected to the series article in 2024 and 2013 respectively (See also this 2010 AFD on House Sessions 3). Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 14:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

39 Minutes

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Nominated per Album notability and WP:NALBUMS. kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 16:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

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Not sure why this page has been marked for deletion - it certainly needs expanding which I will do when possible, but Microdisney is one of the most highly regarded bands of the 1980s, and the subject of more than one documentary, and this is their final release on a major label. I have added the stub tag. Verlaine76 (talk) 17:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Delete: An album of a highly regarded band is not a sign of notability. rather expand enough at sandbox or draftspace, then create.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 04:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
There's a whole BBC documentary that discusses this album amongst others. The album is definitely notable. Verlaine76 (talk) 16:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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You have just under a week to improve the article then. With the sources you say are out there, it shouldn't be difficult. As is, a redirect is likely. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The Rapsody Overture

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Appears to fail WP:NALBUM DonaldD23 talk to me 12:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

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Weak keep - As mentioned in the previous AfD, the album appeared on various European charts and search results at Google Books indicate some notability. They could be called passing mentions: [1], [2], [3], [4]. But there are "snippet views" from DRUM magazine, The Big Issue, Paris Match, Tjednik (Croatian magazine) that are not fully viewable, and could be significant coverage. I think this is very likely a notable subject and sources are just locked in physical media. If the article is decided to be deleted, as an alternative to deletion a redirect to Prince Igor (song) would be appropriate. --Mika1h (talk) 15:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Owl Creek Quickstep

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An obscure 19th century tune --Altenmann >talk 18:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to List of blackface minstrel songs#O where it is mentioned. Could only find brief mentions of the songs in select books. Unsure of the notability of that list, but it's a valid AtD regardless. Could also be redirected to Dan Emmett, but there's no mention of the song there. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to List of blackface minstrel songs#O — Maile (talk) 02:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Tha Carter albums

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I'm having a hard time finding reliable sources that discuss Lil Wayne's Tha Carter albums as a series or a set. A ranking by Vibe and XXL Mag is pretty much it. The albums have been released in a period over two decades, with not thematic coherence. This seems WP:SYNTHy and unnecessary. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 10:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. [5][6][7]... Fram (talk) 10:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

The Guardian again is a ranking, best to worst. The Billboard piece is a listicle of "Black Music Milestones", is three paragraphs long and mentions charting positions and sales. Doesn't discuss the albums as a series. UDiscoverMusic isn't listed at WP:MUSICRS and mostly talks about the first Tha Carter, not about the series as a whole. Where do reliable sources discuss the Tha Carter albums as a series, beyond the fact they got the same title? What makes Tha Carter Lil Wayne's Berlin Trilogy? As a series, what is its meaning, its cultural impact, its legacy? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 11:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Leaning towards redirecting and/or draftifying. It's probably a viable search term. Not sure we need a ~~third~~ fourth location beyond the artist, individual album, and artist discography articles to discuss it. If there is a need, this article certainly doesn't demonstrate. It's basically just a (incomplete) list of release dates and singles. Put it back in the oven and let it cook. These albums have been out for years. There's no reason someone needed to sloppily rush this out yesterday. Sergecross73 msg me 12:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Delete - A completely unnecessary synthesis of four different albums that all have their own articles and are not a distinct "set" or "series" just because they have titles in common. An article that ranks them against each other is pretty much a trivia exercise for reader enjoyment; see this example of how writers can compare anything to anything without the items being a distinct collective entity. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's very dismissive. The artist treats them as a set, e.g. releasing specifically the singles from the albums as if they belong together[8]. Here is another article from a RS purely about the series[9]. Fram (talk) 14:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Why would releasing the singles together mean Lil Wayne treats them as a such "as if they belong together"? Could you elaborate? And while that would be interesting, an artist's own views on their work are secondary to how reliable sources consider it. The Vulture piece is more in depth though, but I'm not convinced as of yet. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 14:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

That first part was just a reply to the weird claim that they "are not a distinct "set" or "series" just because they have titles in common." The artist considers them as a series, as evidenced by the titles (duh) but also by specifically releasing the singles from these albums together, as if they belong together somehow. While I have no issue with the discussion about whether they are notable as a series and whether they should have a separate article or not, I was rather amazed about the claim that they aren't even a series. But the singles set is not an argument for or against deletion, the Vulture article (which you commented upon, thanks) is an argument against deletion and pro notability. Fram (talk) 14:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Disagree all you want on whether or not it's a "series" but that's the wrong argument. That ignores the much more precise Wikipedia policy cited by the nominator and myself: WP:SYNTH. As currently written, the article has nothing on what makes the albums a distinct collective entity, and merely lists release dates and singles and producers and guests stars. All info is repeated from the respective individual album articles. Any media article comparing/ranking them as a group is trivia as said above. Many of the article's existing sources are unreliable fansites and blogs, and the few reliable sources are about individual albums or songs. Recurring lyrical themes are valid but can be explained at Lil Wayne's article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't really care about the sources in the article or the state of the article, that's not what AfD is about in general, unless it is so egregious that WP:TNT (or in less severe cases draftification) are the best solution. There are plenty of reliable sources treating these albums as a series (and yes, even ranking them means that people consider them a series, something related and comparable and at the same time distinct from the things not listed), and the Vulture article goes way indepth about them, treating them as a separate, important, aspect of his total oeuvre worth discussing as a group: "his Carter records occupy a specific place in his staggering discography [...] But what can looking back at the previous four installments tell us about Wayne as an artist? About how he’s evolved, and what his entire career means?" (that article calls them a "series" and "a project" as well). Fram (talk) 15:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

For what it's worth, my comment above is rooted in multiple aspects of WP:MERGEREASON, conceptually. There just probably wouldn't much actual merging because I imagine much of this was aped from already existing articles in better shape. Sergecross73 msg me 15:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment: After searching for almost an hour, I thought there's no such thing as a "album series" on Wikipedia, but then I stumbled across this category and I found this album series. With reliable sources, we can actually establish this as a valid album series. Vulture's writers had a lot to say about Tha Carter album series; its meaning, ranking and so on. Many reliable publications ranked albums from the series, publications like XXL, The Guardian, and Vibe just to mention a few. One thing we neglect to acknowledge is that those rankings are detailed, they dive into the works and the makings of the album series, they are not just "1–5" lists. dxneo (talk) 00:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Alas Agnes

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Article about a song, not properly referenced as having any serious claim to passing WP:NSONGS. As always, songs are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist -- the notability bar for songs requires evidence of their cultural significance (charting, awards, sufficient coverage and analysis about the song in reliable sources to get it over WP:GNG, etc.) -- but existence is the only notability claim being attempted here, and the article is completely unreferenced for the purposes of establishing that it would pass GNG. Bearcat (talk) 14:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Making Dens: also found no evidence of notability. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

DSU Fight Song

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The article clearly violates WP:NOTLYRICS. The song itself fails WP:NSONG as I cannot find any reliable source talking about it. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 09:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. I also searched and couldn't find independent reliable sources discussing this song. Left guide (talk) 11:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Delete in agreement with the nominator and previous voter. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Delete - per WP:NOTLYRICS. Sergecross73 msg me 14:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Delete I see trivial mention on the school's marketing page, but I feel it's too thin to be worthy of a re-direct. If there was somewhat more coverage outside of the school's website, I'd feel comfortable with a re-direct to the school's relevant department (athletic, band, music, or whatever), but at this point, there's no suitable target. Graywalls (talk) 18:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Delete per everyone above. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Electric Nebraska

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This article, separated from Nebraska, gives the impression that the album was an actual record that was shelved and is sitting in the vault, which is not the case. Springsteen felt these recordings, which were the Nebraska songs in "electric" renditions with the E Street Band, did not capture the mood and feelings of his initial demos, which became Nebraska. I am currently rewriting the Nebraska article in my sandbox and there's only one paragraph on the "electric" version. Yes, there are quite a few sources that cover the "electric" recordings, but these renditions will be covered in the new expansion, and are already partially covered in Born in the U.S.A.. They do not warrant their own article, especially in its current state, which gives the impression that they were considered for release in 1982. (Springsteen, very briefly, considered combining the acoustic and electric stuff in a double album but decided to release the acoustic ones on their own to give them "greater stature".) – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 16:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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Keep for now—Zmbro, you really love your massive rewrites and wholesale publishing overrides of Bowie and Springsteen album articles, instead of choosing the collaborative method of making smaller or shorter edits, allowing stuff to breathe, and having other editors weigh in. This is the second AfD that I can recall where part of your rationale seems to be "I'm rewriting this" or "I intend to rewrite this"—you seem to often just skirt OWNERSHIP issues with these DB and BS articles. I read the Hyden book when it came out, and confess that I forget how many pages he spent discussing the electric sessions (and the Marsh and Heylin books were years ago). But at the risk of turning this into a general comment, you may want to reevaluate your editing mindset... Cheers. Caro7200 (talk) 17:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Slightly hurtful... but I'm certainly not the only editor on WP to rewrite articles soon their own before publishing. When I do rewrite, I try to keep as much of the old content as possible as long as it's useful. In the case of the Nebraska article in its current state, quite a bit of it has non-encyclopedic writing, on top of being sourced by entire books and not specific pages. In those instances I'm basically forced to start anew. Furthermore, it's best to write these articles wholesale so everything flows organically and there is a consistent writing style; obviously, WP is a collaborative place but quite a lot of articles actually read like they were written by 20 different people. I will admit, I did have ownership issues when I first started doing this, but I do think that has gotten better. To me, this is a much easier process than sitting around waiting for other editors to try to chime in, especially for artists like Elvis Costello, who has much less fans than Bowie or Springsteen, or even Duran Duran. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 15:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Merge to Nebraska (album): coverage is minimal, scope is limited, target article already has a significant amount of information on this and plenty of room for more. Zmbro's draft/future edits to the page should be outside the scope of this AfD, and I have no opinion on them. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Merge to Nebraska (album) - I have no idea why it's necessary to rewrite that entire album article, which has been honed over many years by dozens of competent editors. But for Electric Nebraska I agree with the previous voter. There are only fan rumors that this collection of songs may someday be released as a distinct album, and an album article in WP should be based on a distinct item for current or near-future purchase, or a fully prepared album that was totally cancelled. Here we have session recordings that didn't make it to the album, just like outtakes and leftovers that occur at any recording session. The saga can be covered adequately at the main album article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm not rewriting the ENTIRE thing; as I stated above, I try to keep as much content from the old versions as I can when I start these projects. In this album's case, however, much of the recording content and such were sourced using entire books rather than specific pages; when I don't own the sources in question, I basically have to restart from there. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 15:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Having looked at your sandbox version of the Nebraska article, I can say that you're certainly doing informative and well-cited work there. The problem is that the easiest way to move your content to the main article is lots of copy/pasting, in which case you would erase a lot of work by previous editors that merely needs to be improved rather than eradicated. If you're planning much more intricate updates and additions to the existing text, that would be a more community-oriented strategy. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Music to Scream To

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Too limited in coverage. Out of the sources here, two are announcements (one focused more on the graphic novel with little to say about the soundtrack), two are profiles that only briefly mention this release (one gives a small paragraph and the other just a sentence), and the review from Sputnik which has never given me the most confidence as a source. And having found nothing else, I don't see notability met. I suggest a redirect to Poppy (singer)#2019–2020: I Disagree where the subject is mentioned in prose, with potential to merge and expand it to its own paragraph. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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Why would you redirect an album page to an artist page? 2603:6010:FD00:2500:90E3:F269:6076:AA3B (talk) 19:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Because notability is not inherited and redirects are cheap. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Because there's information on the album there which readers may still look for, just not enough to justify a standalone page. Alternatives to deletion are preferred. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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Tooth & Nail Records discography

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I don't believe it passes WP:LSC WP:NLIST., because this is essentially a product "catalog" of a record label, which is a publisher. Graywalls (talk) 19:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep - Record label discography lists are useful and common. Since the label itself is notable, I'd argue the set of releases is notable. Since it is too large to roll into the main article, it makes sense to retain as a standalone list. glman (talk) 20:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

~~Withdrawing my hasty thoughts for more reflection. glman (talk) 20:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)~~

Restoring my original opinion. glman (talk) 18:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep. Discographical information is encyclopedic and necessary for robust coverage of bands and labels. This is, unquestionably, a notable record label. The size of the list does mean it makes sense to have as a standalone article, though a merge is also an option. Chubbles (talk) 07:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Comment Just a refresher on a relevant discussion from the past Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not/Archive_59#WP:NOTDIRECTORY,_NOTWEBHOST_for_companies_and_bios which didn't find consensus on exhaustive product catalog for publishers. So, simply splitting off as "product catalog of a publisher" standalone seems like getting around the loophole.*:Graywalls (talk) 07:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Lists of "product catalogs of publishers" are routinely notable if the "product" is art. We have, and certainly should have, (attempts at) full catalog lists of publishers like Warner Bros., Pixar, Square, and Motown. If the label is notable, we should cover its artistic output encyclopedically, and that includes discographical information. Chubbles (talk) 01:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Please link to guidelines, or discussions corroborating this, thank you. Graywalls (talk) 01:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
We have never had debates about whether a Pixar movie or Final Fantasy game is a "product". Of course it is a product, but of course that is besides the point. Covering them here in the encyclopedia is covering art history. So, too, is covering Christian rock and emo and metalcore released by an impactful, significant, influential label. Chubbles (talk) 14:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Comment - Lists such as these are useful for sure. However, they must still meet WP:NLIST by having significant coverage that discusses the discography as a group. Are these sources available? --CNMall41 (talk) 20:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment If we allow things on basis of one person saying "useful" there will be someone saying anything is useful. We'll end up with a "list of Signature Select condiments" and end up with an exhaustive list of their products with Safeway.com as the reference, or the "items sold at Home Depot" and end up with exhaustive list of SKUs. Some hole in the wall record labels are not held sacred over else and I think we shouldn't have product catalogs of this nature. This is going to cause a trend of starting a stand alone list for unacceptable contents to misuse Wikipedia as a webhost. Graywalls (talk) 23:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

There is a clear difference between a list of "condiments" or "items sold at Home Depot" and of albums. A discography of a record label that has existed for over 30 years, has major distribution deals, and has signed many notable artists is objectively not the same as a list of UPC items at the grocery store, nor is it the same as a minor indie label listing their releases. glman (talk) 17:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@CNMall41: well none of the ke.p proponents have commented with or added refs. Graywalls (talk) 01:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I cannot find anything talking about the list as a group so left a vote. For the record, I do not advocate for keeping lists because of "userfulness." That is why we have categories, navigational boxes, etc. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Delete - Regardless of usefulness, lists must meet WP:NLIST where references need to detail the list as a group, not just the individual entries on the list. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
See below, multiple reliable sources discuss Tooth & Nail's output as a set. 3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 13:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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Delete Generally for publishers that do not have significant roles in the creation of creative works outside of funding, distribution and promotion, a catalog of their works is overkill, unless there is decent sourcing that discuss the whole of the catalog in a significant fashion. Eg we would never list every book published by Penguin, but we may do it for a smaller publisher that gained a reputation for promoting offbeat works. It is more appropriate to lists artists represented by the label even if the artist didn't exclusively release through thst label. Masem (t) 18:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
I don't necessarily agree that this should be the standard for the inclusion of a discography, but I'd argue that Tooth & Nail, in fact, meets it. The label had a specific vision for the kind of music and culture it was trying to promulgate, and there are identifiable production styles common to similar-genre bands who recorded for it. This article provides a starting point for understanding the label's profound impact on its milieu; many book-length resources on Christian rock and/or emo and metalcore music published after the late 2000s also inevitably come around to discussing the label in some detail. Chubbles (talk) 02:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes. There are multiple sources discussing the impact of this label and noting amount of albums put out. 3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 13:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Keep Multiple sources discuss the impact and output of Tooth and Nail's discography. Here's three, and this wasn't an exahustive search: [10], [11], [12]. Thus, the output of Tooth and Nail is independently notable.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 13:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
More examples: [13], [14]"Tooth and Nail Records has a long and storied history in that scene, and if they had a Top Five Albums Produced listicle, I’d easily put The Everglow on there.", [15] 3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 13:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

These are all from the same media outlet, but are yet more examples: [16], [17], [18], [19]

A standalone article could be written about the output of Tooth & Nail, so it definitely makes sense to have a list of their releases. Could cap it at releases which are notable with Wikipedia articles. 3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 14:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Good Day (BoyNextDoor song)

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Doesn't seem to meet WP:NSONG... b-side song, didn't chart, no significant coverage in independent sources (all the news coverage references seem to be just regurgitated press releases from the group's agency saying the song exists).

Some of the article's content could maybe be salvaged and put into a newly-created article about the song's parent maxi-single (along with information on the other 3 songs, maybe?) but as it stands it doesn't fit the criteria. RachelTensions (talk) 23:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Earth, Wind & Fire (song) § Japanese version per nom. Nothing came up for my search Mach61 17:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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Keep: here's are the reasons!

Recent Release and Reception: "Good Day" is the first original Japanese-language song by BoyNextDoor, released on July 10, 2024, as part of their maxi single "And," which also includes Japanese re-recordings of previous hits. This context showcases its importance in the group's discography and the expanding international reach of K-pop.
Cultural Impact: The song, characterized as a hip-hop track, deals with themes of self-empowerment and enjoying solitude after a breakup. This relatable subject matter can resonate with a wide audience, enhancing its cultural relevance.
Industry Recognition: BoyNextDoor has already gained significant recognition in the K-pop industry, including awards such as the Global Rising Artist at the 2023 Melon Music Awards. This success indicates a strong fanbase and establishes their credibility as a notable act.
Source Citations: Provide citations from reputable K-pop news sites like Allkpop, Kpopping, and Kpoppie that cover the song's release and significance. These sources validate the content and add weight to the article's claims about the song's impact and the group's activities. ( https://www.allkpop.com/video/2024/08/boynextdoor-reveal-special-mv-for-good-day-b-side-track ), (https://kpopping.com/musicalbum/2024-AND2/GOOD-DAY10), (https://kpoppie.com/boynextdoor-members-profiles/)
OTHER LINKS:
https://www.allkpop.com
https://kpopping.com/musicalbum/2024-AND2/GOOD-DAY10
https://kpoppie.com

WikiNicExplorer 7:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Alright so: none of these reasons assert how the song meets WP:NSONG notability criteria.
Point #2 doesn't describe any actual cultural impact, point #3 is discussing the notability of the band, not the song. Nobody is questioning the notability of the band, and point #4 is moot as none of those sources are reliable sources, and, in fact, most of them are specifically noted as unreliable sources at WP:KO/RS#UR.
Thanks RachelTensions (talk) 20:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea why WP:Convenient Discussions is attributing the above keep vote to me, tried to fix it but anyway.. if anyone is confused it was made by WikiNicExplorer, not me. RachelTensions (talk) 20:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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FYI it would appear that @WikiNicExplorer's above "keep" vote was generated by AI (asking ChatGPT to generate a response for why this article should not be deleted results in almost identical text). RachelTensions (talk) 06:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Note: WikiNicExplorer has been blocked for sockpuppetry per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nic.cartagena12 hence !vote should be voided. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:47, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

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Probably should have discussed this along with Reel Tight. Looking at the sources (that aren't dead), the only source that somewhat confirms WP:NRV is an article by OffBeat and even then, the article doesn't elaborate much other than calling the band a success story. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Weak Keep - Given the concurrent discussion for the group at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reel Tight, the album has some notablitily for low chart placement and a couple of middling hit singles, but more reliable sources for those achievements are needed. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep either this or Reel Tight, merging text and redirecting to one or the other. It made three charts; the dead links don't matter as they can be resolved, and in the case of Vibe, the citation is to the mag; and the nominator gave no indication that a BEFORE was performed, let alone if the BEFORE used databases and non-Google methods to look for sources about a group from the late '90s... Caro7200 (talk) 21:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Comment - The band's article just barely survived delation at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reel Tight, and I have fleshed out their article a bit with sources from this album article, though there is very little to work with. That may alter the trajectory of this album AfD, though I will leave my vote as-is to avoid confusion. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Reel Tight: now that the target survived AfD. Owen× ☎ 19:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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