Talk:Slowcore

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Notable acts

This list or a shorter one should be added to the article to help explain what is consider 'slowcore'. there's on article here that could help too http://drownedinsound.com/news/4136195-slowcore-week--an-introduction Jonpatterns (talk) 11:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Overhaul

I've done a major revamp on the page and have rewritten the article using new sources. I have removed the long, long list of bands considered to be Slowcore as these lists are not really appropriate to Wikipedia. However, I know for a fact that this list gets added to every single week on the main page and I'm not in the habit of deleting anyone's new favourite band (including mine, the incomparable Shannon Wright) so the list can now be found above. Apart from Faith No More. I had to take them out. Sorry. Not having it.Silverwood (talk) 19:11, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sad/Slow-Core

What's to be made of the fact that slowcore redirects here? Should the two be split (argument: different music genres) or should they be kept together here (argument: fundamentally the same type of music). If it's the second choice we're going for, I can do a great deal of work on this article, but I'm unsure as to which action should be taken. Matthew 17:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In my mind sadcore and slowcore are two similar yet distinct genres. When I think Low, I think slowcore, not sadcore. I really don't hear the word sadcore thrown around very much these days, but I just may not be into the scene enough. At any rate, it seems to me as though they should be split into two articles; however, as I said, I'm not an expert in the genre, and I'd like to hear what anyone else has to say. Imaginaryoctopus^(talk) 18:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer "slowcore" for most of these bands. Presumably the original author of this article thought otherwise. I don't hear the term "sadcore" much, except in this article. Badagnani 09:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been wondering if there should be a split as well (Allmusic.com, for instance, recognizes the two as distinct genres). However, I do wonder if there's enough material to fill two separate entries. WesleyDodds 07:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say there probably isn't enough material for both, and with the similarities in the two styles, it wouldn't hurt to combine them for the time being. Also, looking at the list that is up now, I find with some of the bands that are listed, I would have never put them under the umbrella of slowcore, or would have put them under a different genre entirely. For example, Slowdive? They fit into shoegazer exactly; though both genres have some similarities but in my eyes there are some clear differences that can't be ignored. I'd like to edit this list at some point if there is agreement that it needs editing. Lettersandpackages (talk) 17:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the hopes that someone's watching this page, I'd like to chime in and say that I believe the two pages should definitely be merged. (Albert Mond (talk) 07:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]

I'm against merging the two pages. They are both quite silly terms really as they do not denote anything constituting a self-indentified scene with regular club nights or specialised labels that I am aware of, but "sadcore" is still the best term in use to describe what is after all a distinctive subgenre. While I've dug up a few good references for uses of the term "sadcore" and have kept that page in vaugely decent shape, I have not been able to do the same here. I feel the term "slowcore" is not being used as much and if anything rather than merger I would advocate just removing this page perhaps. All we have here is a NPOV violating list of bands "considered" (by whom?) to be slowcore that gets added to every week or so by people including their chosen band and is somewhat pointless. I won't be nominating it for deletion myself though as I don't really like doing that. There's always the chance someone will dig up some good references and remove the subjective list in the future who cares enough. Drop me a line if you want to collaborate on improving either page Silverwood (talk) 14:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Debates on whether Slowcore is a genre

I absolutely can't believe it. "Slowcore"? "Sadcore"? What the hell has the world come to? These genres are ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.166.135.10 (talk) 20:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This genre doesn't exist just because Allmusic Guide says it does. None of the bands have anything even remotely in common other than having some songs that are "slow". In what world can you even compare Radiohead to Talk Talk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.222.238 (talk) 17:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for removing the list. But more fundamentally, what is with this genre's name? Simply appending a musically descriptive adjective with 'core' does not makes a genre name. Adjectives are used to describe music (obviously), but appending one with 'core' doesn't create a legitimate label/ noun. 'hardcore' is/ was a term used in the punk culture to describe an offshoot of punk rock music that was more extreme or 'hardcore' than the traditional music of the culture. The previous page reflected the fact that if this is indeed a genre of music, then this name for it makes no sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.27.122.40 (talk) 07:28, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slowcore and Sadcore are not real genres like punk or hardcore in the sense that they don't have a proper scene or movement attached or any leading record labels etc and that the term has not been widely adopted by critics. However they are still terms that are in use and I feel the article now reflects this accurately. Whether the terms are senseless or silly is probably beyond the scope of the article. The fact that the leading acts have rejected the term probably covers it Silverwood (talk) 11:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Also, I did delete an article on "Shitgaze", no kidding, that was up here as a genuine rock subgenre (it isn't btw) Silverwood (talk) 11:01, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have always considered Slowcore to be a legit genre, but the list above is ridiculous. Slow for the slow part, core for the loud/heavy part. Bands like Bedhead, Dirty Three and especially Codeine are both slow and loud. Some bands, like The New Year and Galaxie 500 might be debatable, But Mazzy Star? Damon & Naomi? Seriously? The list is way too long, but who makes the call and how? 66.140.101.252 (talk) 17:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Slowcore and Sadcore merge

Should these two articles be merged? They appear to be used similarly if not the exact same. The articles themselves note this to be true. On the alternative rock page they are put together as slowcore/sadcore as part of the subgenres, implying they are the same genre. I argue that the two pages should be merged. Dekai Averett (talk) 04:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've seen, the common application of the term "sadcore" is fairly inconsistent and not exclusive to slowcore. I have seen it used to refer to sad pop and emo rap almost as much as I've seen it used in reference to slowcore bands. so, generally speaking, the sadcore distinction seems to be based on mood and lyrical content whereas slowcore denotes compositional and aesthetic themes. I would keep the articles separate. 2601:CE:4002:7BD0:E024:1443:CB87:C2A6 (talk) 17:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is a "downbeat melody"?

I suspect that this is nonstandard/informal language. If that's the case, then I think the article should be edited to use less ambiguous language 24.20.45.10 (talk) 01:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]