User talk:I dream of horses

Hello. I'm I dream of horses. My pronouns are she/her/herself. I live in the Pacific Time Zone.

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A message from Shinboke55

Hey, this is Shinboke55. I made an article on Chamber and submitted it, and you left it as as draft.

I added some sources, and here's the thing now. What say you?

Chamber (metalcore band: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_(metalcore_band) Shinboke55 (talk) 22:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shinboke55 That's better. I live the technical review of the article to someone else, because I have a policy of not reviewing articles on request. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from MKB official (15:45, 16 November 2024)

Hello mentor --MKB official (talk) 15:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MKB official Hey. You might want to change your username, per the message I put on your talk page. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A message from Malypaet

About C. K. Raju: Hi, sorry for missing the summary, I solved it. I hope having solving the NPOV Malypaet (talk) 00:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Calebwritesthetruth (09:14, 18 November 2024)

Hello I dream of horses, how do I start editing articles --Calebwritesthetruth (talk) 09:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Calebwritesthetruth I've linked tutorials on your talk page. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 11:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rmr. Ragulvarma

Hello I dream of horses,

I suspect this might be a hoax. I was considering nominating it for speedy deletion but I wanted to discuss it with you first. You accepted this article during AfC but I couldn’t find any references that mention the subject. It seems like possible vandalism and the content appears to be copied from R. S. Munirathinam. May you take a closer look? Regards. Hitro talk 09:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HitroMilanese On closer examination...yeah, you're right, it's probably best to AfD this article. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 11:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A message from Munky911e

Hello! Just wanted to let you know that I fixed up the Article! Munky911e (talk) 17:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Munky911e Which article is that? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:34, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick draftifications

Good morning, I noticed that today you moved a page to draft space 37 minutes after it was created. Please be aware that WP:NPPHOUR is considered a best practice that NPP members are generally expected to follow. Pages are allowed to be worked on in main space and moving pages to draft space too quickly, before a user has a chance to complete it. These types of quick draftifies may be considered WP:BITEy behaviour and may push new contributors away, which is why we typically give them at least an hour since the last productive edit. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 15:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Significa liberdade How do we balance that against our BLP and other sourcing policies, particularly in the context of the creator not editing the now-draft again in those 37 minutes? I'd understand better the feedback if the creator seemed to be actively working on the article, but they appeared not to be. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 16:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At NPP, we provide the hour as a grace period to work on the article, which is especially important for newbies. During this time, the person may be looking up guidelines about referencing and/or searching for sources to add to the article. Serious issues such as attack pages, copyright violations, and blatant vandalism are the only exceptions to NPPHOUR. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Significa liberdade I've accepted similar feedback in the past. In this context, however, my concern with your feedback is that you seem to be wanting me to follow a rule to the letter instead of follow its spirit. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 16:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How would you describe the spirit of the rule? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Significa liberdade That I pause and wait until the article creator pauses before doing anything. Depending on the length of the pause, this can range from doing anything at all (gnoming, tagging) to avoid overly-confusing edit conflicts to what you're talking about (draftification, nominating for deletion, etc.) It isn't so dependent on literally putting on a timer for me.

We should probably have shorter grace periods for some topic areas (BLPs, currently existing organizations, etc.) than others (obscure town, population 100). In fact, there's a few people that might be inclined to say that all unsourced BLPS need to be BLPPROD'd, CSD'd, or draftified immediately, not that I'd agree with that. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That concern should probably be raised on the NPP Talk page. As of September, there was a discussion about increasing NPPHOUR to NPP2HOURS or NPPDAY after individuals discussed frustration with people, including myself, who draftify articles shortly following the one hour mark. This comes following much ire regarding draftification as "backdoor deletion", a framing that I very much disagree with. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 20:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Significa liberdade I disagree with drafitication being a "backdoor deletion" as well. A genuine backdoor deletion wouldn't allow the now-draft to be improved on Wikipedia. I also have concerns that NPRHOUR, if enforced too literally and strictly, can run afoul of "ignore all rules" and "Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy". Basically, we are required to look at the spirit of policies and guidelines, and understand why they're in place. I think this is more of an over-arching concern over the culture at NPP more than anything else.

FWIW, I think that someone can have their new page reviewer right yanked if they really are being too hasty, even without NPRHOUR. This would be under "Guidelines for revocation" #2: "The editor has demonstrated a pattern of failing to exercise sufficient care when reviewing pages, resulting in users being offended or discouraged (especially new users)." However, "failing to provide sufficient care" on a consistent basis needs to be proven first, per WP:AGF.

Also, some debate between immediatist/deletionist/ATDist folks like me (and possibly you) and eventualists/inclusionists has always existed on Wikipedia. I guess the debate is centering on draftspace at the moment. Needless to say, I'm not too enthusiastic about re-igniting another debate which may or may not get nowhere. I could open up a discussion about maybe NPRHOUR being more flexibly enforced (and possibly renamed), but "Be more flexible" can be fighting words at times. Since the last debate was so recent, perhaps things should cool off a bit first.

Anyways. If you read it all,

Thank you. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read! :) Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Felício Jorge (00:10, 21 November 2024)

Eu sou licenciado em ensino de Filosofia em Moçambique, será que posso ser útil na Wikipédia? --Felício Jorge (talk) 00:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Felício Jorge Unfortunately, that's not a language I speak. Please write in English. Thank you. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]