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I just wrote an article and you deleted it😭 girl no

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Hi, I see that you emptied Category:Albania in the Turkvision Song Contest and nominated it for speedy deletion WP:CSD C1. I'm not sure if that is the correct procedure in this case. Shouldn't it be nominated for speedy deletion per WP:C2F? The result will be the same, but the latter specifically says categories shouldn't be emptied before nominating them for deletion. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

@Nederlandse Leeuw: Hmm, I suppose. I didn't know about that because neither WP:C1 nor the template's documentation link to it any instructions saying I couldn't do that. Grk1011 (talk) 20:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I'm not sure you weren't allowed to do it, it just seemed WP:C2F would be the best approach in the case of 1 eponymous category. Anyway, the result will be the same; I would have agreed with deleting it per SMALLCAT. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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WikiProject Eurovision Daily Update Tuesday 15 August 2023

@Grk1011: Could you please look this over and give me some advice on how to improve it? Ktkvtsh (talk) 07:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Eurovision Daily News Update 15 August 2023 Happy birthday to... Kølig Kaj who is 53 today. He represented Denmark in the Eurovision Song Contest 1997 placing (16th) Recently in the news... Wild Youth were accused of being too drunk when performing at the Ballygar Carnival in Galway, Ireland. The carnivals organizers released a statement supporting the band. Did you know... Natalia Gordienko, who represented Moldova in the Eurovision Song Contest 2019, holds the record for the longest continuous note in Eurovision at 17 seconds. Eurovision entrant... Guy Bonnet is an author, composer, and singer, born in Avignon, France in 1945. He wrote the lyrics and composed the music for the French entry in the Eurovision Song Contest 1968 (performed by Isabelle Aubret). In 1970 he participated in the Eurovision song contest for France with "Marie-Blanche" coming 4th out of twelve contestants. In 1983 he represented France in Eurovision again with "Vivre" (finishing eighth).

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@Ktkvtsh: sorry about this. Was on vacation for the last week or so and was unable to sit down for an extended period of time to focus. It came out great! I do have some concerns about another item, but I'll ask that on your talk page. Grk1011 (talk) 14:47, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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ESC 2023 semi-final televote rankings

The official website is now updated to show all the televote rankings like in 2018 SF1. You can compare it with the table below. 𝐒𝐦𝐭𝐡𝐧𝐠𝐧𝐰 ^💬 22:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

The problem is largely in the 11-14 rankings. There is nothing to indicate that the order the countries are listed means they ranked 11 through 14. Grk1011 (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

This is the actual ranking of all countries. The list is complete on every page, just not numbered, but still in the correct order. If you compare this to previous years with full tables, you will see that in fact the rankings are all still correct. 𝐒𝐦𝐭𝐡𝐧𝐠𝐧𝐰 ^💬 22:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

If you can prove that with a reference, then it should be fine. The problem lies in if that is just your educated guess. Grk1011 (talk) 22:48, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

The rankings don't have to be numbered if they are just in the correct order. 𝐒𝐦𝐭𝐡𝐧𝐠𝐧𝐰 ^💬 22:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

But the question is, can you prove that they are in the correct order? That is not stated in the reference. From what you're telling me, it sounds like you are assuming that they are in the correct order. Grk1011 (talk) 22:56, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

This is how the website displays the rankings. Prove:

• 2016 SF 1
• 2016 SF 2
• 2016 GF
• 2017 SF 1
• 2017 SF 2
• 2017 GF
• 2018 SF 1
• 2018 SF 2
• 2018 GF
• 2019 SF 1
• 2019 SF 2
• 2019 GF
• 2021 SF 1
• 2021 SF 2
• 2021 GF
• 2022 SF 1
• 2022 SF 2
• 2022 GF

𝐒𝐦𝐭𝐡𝐧𝐠𝐧𝐰 ^💬 23:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

That doesn't prove it. Where does it label the 11, 12, 13, and 14th? It must label them if you want to include that information. That's how WP:V works. Grk1011 (talk) 01:09, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

The tables are literally show the ranking by pretty much readable "How X voted". Only top 10 countries get the points by calculating votes while the others are still voted and still have a rank but without points. A rank doesn't need an abstract labeling number to count from up to down the position.

Also why though in the JESC 2021 pages (like Armenia) the calculated jury rankings are still written? Must they prove that they are actually correct as the website doesn't label that? 𝐒𝐦𝐭𝐡𝐧𝐠𝐧𝐰 ^💬 02:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

They show the information for finals (the big table at the bottom of the source refs), but for these semi-finals, unfortunately they do not present this information to us. Once again, you'll need to show "Country 11th", etc for each one if you want to have it included. There really is no way around it. This is not me, it's just how Wikipedia works. Grk1011 (talk) 13:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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Boloco

You should go to the restaurant or check the email they just sent everyone :) Mattl (talk) 19:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but I can't add an email as proof to the article :( Grk1011 (talk) 19:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Add a photo from the store. Deleting my text doesn't help. Mattl (talk) 19:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

You must know that that isn't how Wikipedia works :/ But also, that type of promo event doesn't typically rise to the level for inclusion in general. At a minimum, my goal is to eventually add some mention of the free burrito days since those recieved a lot of fanfare. For this 1997 pricing event, it would need to get at least some publicity in independent sources to be considered a notable event. Grk1011 (talk) 20:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing the tab header after I updated the colors. I've worked on the 51st WP ESC newsletter, if you would please update the stats for me. Then we can send it to be sent out. Ktkvtsh (talk) 23:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Grk1011, could you also update here please. Ktkvtsh (talk) 00:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ktkvtsh: done. Grk1011 (talk) 15:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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Thoughts on WikiProject Eurovision

Hey mate, hope you're keeping well! I've been thinking for a while now about what we can do to improve the WikiProject, and maybe how to better organise it. I think a lot of this has been prompted for me by the popular pages table; it always seems odd how the majority of the most popular pages have a very tangential relationship, or even no relationship, with the Eurovision Song Contest. I'm wondering if reframing the project and being a bit more focussed in what types of articles should fall under our remit would make better sense. Still trying to crystallise my thoughts on this, hence reaching out to you first rather than jumping straight into the WikiProject talk page, and I would love to hear your thoughts on this too! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sims2aholic8: I've thought about this a lot actually! There are many different ways the project could move in. We are a WikiProject about the Eurovision Song Contest originally, but our umbrella now includes pretty much every song contest, every event organized by the EBU, and every person, place, or entity that had a role in a contest (venue, hosts, spokespersons, commentators, etc.). There are some basic forks for staying a WikiProject:

• WikiProject Song Contests, and we say bye to many of the other EBU contests (Magic Circus Show?), while bringing on many more (American Idol, The Voice?). It sort of felt we were going in this direction as our specially-designed templates and infoboxes were renamed and gained so much flexibility for non-ESC events. This intimidates me as it brings on a lot of work, but could also bring on new editors. Not sure if there is enough overlap in interest across the contests though.
• WikiProject Eurovision (refocused), and we drop the emphasis on the EBU, while also trimming the tangential articles that will only have 1-2 sentences about Eurovision anyway. For example, Voice of Vietnam is always a top article in Popular Pages, but it will never have any substantial information for our WikiProject to create or patrol, and this is also while remembering that the ABU Radio Song Festival is a relatively non-notable event to begin with, it just follows a known formula so it exists here. This idea would also drop venues, spokespersons, commentators, participants of national finals, perhaps even the artists themselves (since their bios will never have enough ESC information to need to be watched by a Eurovision-focused eye).
• WikiProject European Broadcasting Union, and we focus on the contests themselves and less on a one-off spokesperson, host or venue. This would be a much more dramatic cut to the list than above, but could also bring on some really obscure articles that editors may not care about or have a common interest in, like EBU R 128.

I think the hard part is that some editors will be 'lost' from the project as articles are moved in or out. Importantly, it has been stated many times that we may be better as a task force about Eurovision, perhaps under the umbrella of WikiProject Music. That still boots a good number of related articles and we'd need to determine whether they're still covered or if they get their own task forces. I think the most important part of a WikiProject is building an editing community focused on article improvement and consistency that can support editors through shared resources. At a minimum, I think stricter guidelines for inclusion are needed so that our project includes articles we actually want to edit, and there should at least be some sort of defined level of completion for articles that we're striving for. If we as WP Eurovision editors are not willing to get Voice of Vietnam or even Agnetha Fältskog to FA status (eventually) for example, then it's pretty clear that those article types are not of interest to the project. Grk1011 (talk) 15:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

You're pretty much hit the nail on the head there with a lot of the thoughts I've also had. Great minds and all that! In my head, I think I was leaning towards a combination of 1 and 2 in your list. I agree that "WikiProject Song Contests" is probably where we were heading anyway, but I definitely don't think we should be expanding to include talent shows like The Voice, American Idol or The X Factor. I don't believe that these are "song contests" in the traditional sense, because there's almost no original songs happening on these shows, which I think is one of the prerequisites to classifying an event as a song contest. Additionally, I would steer clear of option 3, because I think that would open a can of worms a little bit that we might end up bogged down with technical articles like the one you included.

You make a great point around including articles within the scope of this WP to cover the articles we as a community actually want to improve. Looking at the archive of articles nominated for GA, it leans very heavily towards country and song articles, with a few artist articles as well. Of course we can't discount that the majority of editors involved within WP Eurovision aren't actually going to be interested in turning around an entire article and putting it through GA; of the articles nominated since the beginning of 2023, these have been contributed by seven editors total (and like 90% of these are the work of four editors, including us two). One artist article has been promoted to GA since 2023, and that wasn't even the work of a WP Eurovision editor. I think artists and songwriters are in a grey area where they could be justified for inclusion (artists more so that songwriters), but definitely broadcasters, venues, hosts, spokespersons, commentators, conductors, etc., I could completely justify removing from the scope of the WP. You just have to look at the quality articles page to see that the focus of the majority of our work as a collective is on articles for the contests themselves, the countries, and songs, and that individual people just aren't the main focus. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Just a thought as well, if we were to refocus to a "song contest"-only perspective, this would probably also mean we remove other EBU contests, like Young Dancers and Young Musicians, and maybe even Eurovision Choir? In all honesty though, I wouldn't be losing any sleep over losing those articles from our remit either. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I think there is a bit of overlap between some of those that's helpful to maintain. At a minimum, it would make sense to trim events organized by others that are solely "based on the Eurovision Song Contest", but otherwise have no connection (Intervision, ABU contests (would prefer AfD), Sopot, Caribbean, etc. Do you want to draft a formal proposal for review? Start a sandbox or something to better organize thoughts and repercussions? Grk1011 (talk) 15:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense, and yeah I'm happy to draft up something within my sandbox. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 17:20, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Finished drafting my proposal (User:Sims2aholic8/sandbox/1). Eager to hear your thoughts! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 19:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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