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wikipedias user

whats Wikipedias user TheSmartWikiOne (talk) 16:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @TheSmartWikiOne, and welcome to Wikipedia. It's unclear what exactly you're asking; can you please rephrase? CoconutOctopus talk 16:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TheSmartWikiOne, you have used up a lot of the time of other editors but haven't made any improvement to Wikipedia. Please consider abandoning Wikipedia and taking up some alternative pursuit. -- Hoary (talk) 22:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

xtools counter. I recommend to be mindful of WP:NOTHERE. In the past, I've seen over-enthusiastic editors getting blocked for similar editing. You should spend more time on help building Wikipedia, and less time on user/user talk pages, or doing some other irrelevant activity. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But its time consuming am busy looking at houses TheSmartWikiOne (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it is "time consuming" according to you, why did you register for Wikipedia! It is great to ask questions, but your questions, as said by Hoary have used up a lot of the time of other editors but haven't made any improvement to Wikipedia. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no TheSmartWikiOne (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found a somewhat suspicious user. It seems as though they're editing things to advertise a business.

I do know that the user is actually contributing, or at least... it looks like it. I'm not really experienced enough to what to do from here. Can someone help me out? AmrAlWatan(🗣️|📝) 16:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AmrAlWatan Could you link what you're referencing for us? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rock-climbing_equipment&diff=1259679042&oldid=1247466299

As I said, I don't know exactly what I'm supposed to be looking at... I'll get there someday :D AmrAlWatan(🗣️|📝) 19:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AmrAlWatan With cases of inserting inappropriate external links or advertising, you should either alert someone to the issue as you've done here, or, if you feel comfortable, revert the edit and apply a notice to the user's talk page, as I've done here.

You can do this far easier with things like Twinkle, which you should have access to. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much! AmrAlWatan(🗣️|📝) 01:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The user has been blocked, just informing you!

Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is huge :O thanks AmrAlWatan! 💬 🕗 14:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, love your user signature. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 14:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! AmrAlWatan! 💬 🕗 16:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does wiki sometimes show "Edit" and other times show "Edit Source"?

Its annoying for my 2 braincells, since I'm horrible at source editing, but it always shows up, unless for suggested edits. Is there a way to toggle this? BlazeFlames (talk) 18:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BlazeFlames, are you having this problem on article pages or only elsewhere? There is no Visual Editor support for talk pages, for example, so it's only edit source available there. -- asilvering (talk) 18:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

article pages BlazeFlames (talk) 18:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, go to Preferences --> Editing --> Editor --> Editing mode. Make sure this is set to "always give me the Visual Editor if possible". -- asilvering (talk) 19:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thank you! BlazeFlames (talk) 21:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you too, @Asilvering. This is helpful for me too. Augnablik (talk) 14:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also helpful to me, thanks. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 13:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, just extending some more context for this, edit source shows up when in the source editor, and it can be changed by

clicking the pencil icon, next to "publish changes". Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cooldudeseven7: That isn't what the OP asked for. They were asking if there was a way to get into the visual editor without going through the source editor first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry. I should have read the context. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 16:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Need advice on improving this draft.

Hello, I’m seeking guidance on how to improve this draft. It has been rejected multiple times for reading like an advertisement. I’ve made several attempts to rewrite it with a more neutral tone, but I’m struggling to get it approved. To me, it seems neutral, but I may be missing something. Could anyone point out specific sentences or sections that come across as promotional? I would really appreciate your feedback so I can make the necessary edits. Here’s the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Quintessential_(company) Commercialindustrial (talk) 07:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to stop. The article you made is too WP:PROMOTIONAL. Please read WP:NOTABILITY. Ahri Boy (talk) 09:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair to Commercialindustrial, Ahri Boy, the reviewer who rejected the draft invited Commercialindustrial to come here and ask for advice. Commercialindustrial has asked, politely, for specifics; and has done so according to the invitation. Perhaps you'd care to tell them how the draft is too promotional. -- Hoary (talk) 11:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The great majority of the content and references document financial activities of the business real estate company. While true and referenced, these are about the company's actions but not the company. If you really intend to try again, I agree with the Comments suggestion that all existing content be set aside and start over in the existing draft. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will add that many of the references are press-release-like interviews with company executives. The Property portfolio needs to be deleted. Same for descriptions of the Master funds. Content on the three divisions is not referenced. The ESG section requires a ref other than Q. The awards list can stay, but minor awards do not contribute to establishing notability. David notMD (talk) 11:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that some references in this article are not independent of the subject. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cyprus military ranks

I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow.

NCO and other ranks

NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.^[1]

NATO code	OR-9	OR-8	OR-7	OR-6	OR-4	OR-3	OR-2	OR-1
Hellenic Army^[2] v t e								Arm/corps insignia only
Hellenic Army^[2] v t e	Ανθυπασπιστής^[a] Anthypaspistis	Αρχιλοχίας Archilochias	Επιλοχίας Epilochias	Λοχίας Lochias	Δεκανέας Dekaneas	Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas		Στρατιώτης Stratiotis
Greece (Conscripts)		No equivalent						No insignia
Greece (Conscripts)	Δόκιμος Έφεδρος Αξιωματικός Dokimos Efedros Axiomatikos^[a]	No equivalent		Λοχίας Lochias	Δεκανέας Dekaneas	Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas	Υποψήφιος Έφεδρος Βαθμοφόρος Ypopsifios Efedros Bathmoforos	Στρατιώτης Stratiotis

^ tanea.gr (2004-10-11). "Aλλάζουν το εθνόσημο και οι «σαρδέλες»". ΤΑ ΝΕΑ (in Greek). Retrieved 2024-06-10.
^ "Διακριτικά Φ/Π Στολών Υπαξιωματικών Αποφοίτων ΣΜΥ" [Badges F / P Uniforms of Non-Commissioned Officer Graduates]. army.gr (in Greek). Hellenic Army. Retrieved 26 May 2021.

References

Notes

^ ^a ^b Greece has only one level of Warrant Officer. According to the current issue (2021) of STANAG 2116, the Greek Warrant Officers are included in OR-9, however they are afforded the privileges of an officer. See STANAG 2116 note 29, page D-9

Alternative to range block calculator

I didn't realize that Fastily had maintained the IP range block calculator, an invaluable tool. Their departure from the project means that tool is not functional. Is anyone aware of 1.) suitable interim alternatives and 2.) discussions on the reintroduction of the tool? Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pbritti – I was able to access Fastily's password-strength tool on the Wayback Machine. After checking for a couple seconds, I found out that web-crawlers successfully archived a version of ~~that~~ the rangeblock tool as well from 17 September 2024 (with all functionalities preserved surprisingly after testing it) here. I doubt that Fastily changed their tools substantially in two months, so I think that should be a feasible interim solution. With regards to the reintroduction of the tool, I actually have no idea, and it would either A) be dependent on Fastily's return, or B) have someone else basically fork Fastily's software to another tool in toolforge.org. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 15:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)@Pbritti: Hi. I'm not sure if Teahouse regulars would be able to answer that question satisfactorily. The best venue seems to be WP:VPT. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both! @3PPYB6: That does have some incredible functionality for an archived version! ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New tool: https://galaxybots.toolforge.org/iprangecalculator – DreamRimmer (talk) 05:57, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! - Ratnahastin (talk) 16:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updated with this VPT thread indicating recommended edit to the interface page based on your tool. Thank you so much! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 06:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are the important project pages to get started with?

I never received a welcome message on my talk page, so what are the tips on using Wikipedia? NicePrettyFlower (talk) 17:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One place to start is Help:Getting started. Fabrickator (talk) 17:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I watchlisted it so whenever I am doing an act, I will read the article and it's linked ones so I can know what to do first. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 17:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NicePrettyFlower: I'm not sure about your expectation from watchlisting it. Watchlisting helps you identify recently-edited pages from a list you specify, so if you have numerous pages on your watchlist, the "GettingStarted" page won't necessarily be near the top. Perhaps more sensible to just set up a user page with bookmarks, then go to that page to see the bookmarked pages of interest. Fabrickator (talk) 04:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I was new to the watchlist feature and I though it was for bookmarking. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 03:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about citing a blog post as a quote from an expert

Is it okay to cite a blog post made by a notable expert (Tyler Cowen) if it's explicitly mentioned that it's a quote? For example, I wrote the following text that was reverted because the source was considered unreliable:

In his blog Marginal Revolution, economist Tyler Cowen included the developer of 15.ai as one of the "most underrated talents in AI and machine learning."^[1]

My question is: is the above valid? My understanding was that per WP:V, quoting that an expert said something about the subject is valid, but something like:

The developer of 15.ai is one of the "most underrated talents in AI and machine learning."^[1]

would be invalid. Thank you for the help!

As extra context, there is a previous noticeboard on the source: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_223#Marginal_Revolution_(blog). GregariousMadness (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although I would typically say "yes, that's okay", I'm not confident I like the way you've interpreted what Cowen actually said. DS (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the response – do you have any suggestions on how I should reword it? I tried to be as neutral as possible by quoting Cowen directly, but I wasn't entirely sure on my wording, either. GregariousMadness (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would the following be better?

In his blog Marginal Revolution, economist Tyler Cowen referenced the developer of 15.ai when asking readers to identify underrated talents in AI and machine learning, specifically highlighting technical builders.

It feels a little bit wordy but I think it keeps it more accurate. GregariousMadness (talk) 19:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've thought about it a bit more and I think a better phrasing would be:

In his blog Marginal Revolution, economist Tyler Cowen cited the developer of 15.ai as an example of underrated talent in AI.

It's short and to the point and keeps it neutral. GregariousMadness (talk to me!) 20:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ ^a ^b Cowen, Tyler (2022-05-12). "The most underrated talent in AI?". Marginal Revolution (blog). Marginal Revolution (blog). Archived from the original on 2022-06-19. Retrieved 2024-11-27.

Suggested Discography Template

Thought I'd ask, as I have noticed there's a few discography templates. Which are best to use? Echowanderer43 (talk) 21:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1. Ahri Boy (talk) 01:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Echowanderer43. I'm not sure what the above answer has to do with your question, but you might want to try asking about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies because certain templates might work better in certain articles. You could also look at articles where each template is used by going to the template's page and clicking on "What links here" in the left-side bar. Seeing how each template is being used by others might help you better understand their differences. Lastly, you can practice using them in your WP:USERSANDBOX where you can display them side-by-side or above one another for a visual comparison. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, you have been most helpful! Echowanderer43 (talk) 08:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User Abduvaitov Sherzod V Viki

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Hello, dear Wikipedian, I am always an active contributor to the English Wikipedia. Please grant me the "enhanced verified user" privilege and what functions this privilege will perform. Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki (talk) 09:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki the extended confirmed perm requires 500 edits and a month-old account. Your account only has 38 edits and is 2 days old. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the "Verified Advanced Users" function? Thanks. Happy editing! Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki (talk) 10:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean. The English Wikipedia does not have a perm with that name - see WP:RIGHTS for a complete list. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to tell you about the functions of the "enhanced authenticated users" right and how to obtain it. Thank you. Olg‘a. Happy editing! Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki (talk) 14:44, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such thing on en.wiki, but there may be something with a similar name on one of the other language wikipedias, being separate projects they do their user groups differently. -- D'n'B-t -- 15:01, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abduvaitov Sherzod V Wiki: Let me reverse the question: what contribution are you trying to make, that you cannot do currently? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We're done here. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Abduvaitov Sherzod 2. DMacks (talk) 11:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Age of History II

Hello, what do I do with this article - old draft? СтасС (talk) 10:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@СтасС anyone, including you, can improve the draft and submit it for review at any time. If no edits are made for 6 months the draft will be deleted per WP:G13. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Set WP:G13.--СтасС (talk) 10:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well that G13 is supposed to be for drafts neglected for 6 months. G7 applies if your wrote the content yourself. But that does not apply either as it was written by a now blocked user. May be best to leave it deleted so that someone else can make a fresh start. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the draft was about to G13 out in a week or so, but (other than a four character change on June 11) there was no substantive work since last October. I might not have gotten the criteria correct, but I thought it was close enough. BusterD (talk) 11:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do the introduction tutorial to find out! :) Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 16:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good game but sadly not notable. - Ratnahastin (talk) 14:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes--СтасС (talk) 04:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@СтасС My answer is sent. Did you see it? Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 16:58, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Taymallah Belkadri Yes, I see your answer.--СтасС (talk) 17:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 16:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Creating articles

Does the create article button appear when I complete the medium and hard article edits? Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 16:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. But recommend to be in draft space. Ahri Boy (talk) 16:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:YFA for a guide on how to create and then submit a draft. However, it is strongly advised you put in time attempting to improve existing articles before essaying to create an article. David notMD (talk) 17:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Taymallah Belkadri, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

I strongly agree with David notMD. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 11:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

am I aloud to use this for posting about things?

I am new pardon me. I don't know what this is for. is it for posting about things i like? if you could answer that would be great thanks! 24.101.0.156 (talk) 16:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

my bad I'm just new 24.101.0.156 (talk) 16:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As it says at the top of the page "Your go-to place for friendly help with using and editing Wikipedia".It is not a place to post about things you like sorry, you can use social media for that. Theroadislong (talk) 16:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not like social media so I will stay far away from here and social media 24.101.0.156 (talk) 18:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Teahouse page is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 24.101.0.156 and welcome to Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia. As such we only write about things that are factual and that we can verify by citing a reliable source. Most people edit in subject areas which interest them. Please see the template I left on your talk page for more detailed information. If you would like more information about the project in general, see Wikipedia. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For same reasons, Talk pages of articles are not a place to express what you like or do not like. David notMD (talk) 17:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! It looks like there is a spelling mistake on the subject name. It is not "aloud" it should be "allowed". Hope this helps! Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 21:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Misrepresented image

I don't know what the rules or procedures are about this, but this image looks like a problem. "Abu Nidal Organization flag.jpg" (file link)

I found it used here on English Wikipedia, and it seems to be only hosted here locally, but not on commons. The image page here claims a non free use rationale, "to illustrate the government or agency in question", but I can't find any attribution for where the image came from?

Also, it looks like a less tightly cropped copy of the flag for a more well known group: "File: Fatah flag.png" (file link) That image page has a similar statement, "Used for purposes of illustration in an educational article about the entity represented by the image".

But the page for Abu Nidal Organization says the organizations split, so they're not the same entity / organization. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 16:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the first file File: Abu Nidal Organization flag.jpg, it was uploaded by user:Dmhll who is still active on Wikipedia. So you can ask about it. What is CAT-UXO? If it is a web site, it is best to link to the page it is from. But as you suggest, if it is not genuine or correct for that organisation, it does not satisfy the fair use criteria, and should be deleted. THis also lease me to File:Fatah Flag Vector Graphic.png on commons, which has a false copyright label on it, as it would be a derivative of a copyrighted flag. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Industrial Metal Brain, "Abu Nidal Organization" was the name used by Western sources. The group actually called itself "Fatah – Revolutionary Council" and it claimed to be the genuine Fatah. It therefore seems plausible that the group may have used the same flag as the original group led by Yasser Arafat as a claim of legitimacy. I suggest that you discuss the matter at Talk:Abu Nidal Organization. Cullen328 (talk) 21:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UXO is an abbreviation for Unexploded ordnance and CAT-UXO is an educational organization that publicizes the dangers and trains people to deal with the problem. Cullen328 (talk) 22:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any page it could have come from on CAT-UXO, possibly because the group no longer exist? But the upload date is this year. Also, that website abbreviate Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades with two As, so they don't seem very reliable on the cultural and political aspects. https://cat-uxo.com/explosive-hazards/terrorist-groups/aamb-al-aqsa-martyrs-brigade Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 05:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

but that needs a citation Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 05:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

and Fatah Revolutionary Council is a different org. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 06:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Different organizations sometimes share the same name. See the note at the top of that article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1962 New York Yankees season table cleanup

Hello. Go to above article, go to Composite Box-score by innings. Cant align the innings with data. Opponents on top, Yankees beneath. Thank you for your help.Theairportman33531 (talk) 18:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please disregard. Fixed problem.Theairportman33531 (talk) 20:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Quick Wikipedia Editor's Survey

Hello everyone, I'm a student at UTK and I come seeking answers on how editors for Wikipedia feel about editing for the site. I know this isn't the most appropriate place to post a survey however Wikipedia's Teahouse is full of active editors and so I believe this to be the best course of action for finding editors for the survey. The survey results will ideally paint a picture on how editors or community members feel about their continued use of Wikipedia, this is to gain insight on informational database communities. After I've gathered the survey results, I plan to write an article for Wikipedia elaborating on the results to share my findings with the public in case anyone else is interested. Here is a link to the survey, I greatly appreciate anyone taking the time to check out this survey. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScB-CUzRsX5SYAA9oxqJfS6-4eCEq1zQmE55AL6WZ89wAQjvQ/viewform?usp=sf_link Jaboyflamed (talk) 19:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaboyflamed: I will comment that an article on Wikipedia is not the place to publish original research no matter how exciting or relevant. However Wikipedia Signpost would be interested in this. Perhaps Wikiversity would publish original research. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Badly designed survey question: "Have you encountered instances of bias in Wikipedia articles?". Wikipedia is biased by design. See User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased. Wikipedia is biased toward verifiable facts. And that is a good thing. It is impossible to answer "no" to that question. The responses you get from that would be meaningless; garbage in, garbage out.

Another poor question is "How inclusive do you find the Wikipedia community in welcoming new contributors?" Initially everyone is assumed welcome but it quickly becomes evident how many new accounts were created simply to promote something or flout the rules, and those people are not welcome at all. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaboyflamed You posted a similar question before, now archived here. Judging by the responses above, you didn't take my advice! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Learning in Wikipedia

What should I learn after editing? Should I practice creating or something else? Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 21:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a new article is hard, which is why new editors are advised to work on improving existing articles for a while before attempting to create. As for where to practice, your personal Sandbox is a good place, especially while learning how to corectly format references. David notMD (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Taymallah Belkadri, now's the time to find an article you want to update or a maintenance backlog you want to clear out and get to work! What are you interested in? -- asilvering (talk) 04:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Umm.. Isn't that editing? But my question what should I learn after editing. (Not in a disrespectful way) Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 06:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you want to find a way of contributing to Wikipedia that does not involve editing? There are such things; there's dispute resolution, and new articles patrol. But I'd advise strongly against trying anything like that until you have substantial experience in actual editing. Maproom (talk) 08:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't understand that. Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 10:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By "editing", I mean changing the contents of a WIkipedia article, or creating a new article. Maybe it means something different for you? This Teahouse is for "for friendly help with using and editing Wikipedia". Maproom (talk) 11:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Maproom So I should create articles after editing? Okay, what do I do after learning to create? Is that it? Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 16:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Taymallah Belkadri: Special:HomePage will have some suggestions for you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing Did you read the question? I said what should I learn AFTER editing. Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 16:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Taymallah Belkadri, you're not getting an answer to your question that you like because we're all confused about why you're asking it in the first place. Editing is what we do here. That's the point of the whole thing. We're building an encyclopedia. You do that by editing. If you've learned the basics, you're already ready to take part! That's why I asked what you're interested in, so I can point you at some work that needs doing. -- asilvering (talk) 17:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I need help with making a new figure smaller

please take a look at this Electric car#Sales_of_electric_cars, and you will understand what I mean. Thank you in advance, Walt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter Tau (talk • contribs)

@Walter Tau: Welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, I don't think we have any regulars that are proficient in mind-reading, so could you please make explicitly clear what your problem is? Thanks. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tenryuu: thank you for getting back. The figure was TOO BIG. I was able to fix it myself before you replied. Sorry for the troubles.Walter Tau (talk) 15:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

there might be vandalism

Well i wanted to check something so yea, basiclly im going to check for some vandilism on wikipedia so please could i edit in case Emirates380 boeing (talk) 04:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Emirates380 boeing If you're interested in protecting Wikipedia against vandalism, consider checking out the Counter Vandalism Unit. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also take the time to read Wikipedia:Vandalism thoroughly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Local Enforcement mechanism for UCoC and ToU by strangers

Legal threat and possible trolling

Please inform us of the mechanism, if any, for strangers to Wikipedia, to enforce local enforcement of WMF UCoC and ToU against this projects's administrators, checkusers, and editors. These aforedescribed persons have collectively impersonated as our organisation on this project's talk pages as well as on other admninistration pages for conducting systematic defamation of our organisation. The contraventions include harassment by impersonation, trolling, doxxing, hounding, libelling, sockpuppetry, issuing physical threats of violence etc. We require a speedy and effective internal mechanism if one such exists.
NB: We have no intention or desire to interact with the wider community, but only with the specific administrators / oversighters of this project authorised by the Foundation to remove/excise all references to our private organisation(s) ie (oversight) from WMF computer servers and to identify the offending users so we can prosecute them for damages to our reputation.
Note further that we shall be exclusively represented by registered legal professionals (advocates/attorneys) in the course of these enforcement proceedings, and their participation does not acknowledge the acceptance of any policies of this website. Tshwana (talk) 04:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:No legal threats, because this is the wrong place. David notMD (talk) 04:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mere references to your organization are not illegal at all. This sounds heavily of SLAPP Sandcat555 (talk) 05:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Side comment: OP is blocked; see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Blaxstocatamazon. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 05:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zzuuzz So a troll then? Sandcat555 (talk) 05:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How much surgery can I do on this article?

I'm a noob, and I don't yet know the customs for editing stuff. I was given this article by the bot to work on.

In addition to some typos, there are a lot of awkward sentences in there that need help. I assume it's okay for me to have at those?

In addition to that, some of the references don't work, and others don't seem to make the point that the text says they make. Should I be removing those claims? Or trying to amend them to make them more accurate? Or are those tasks best left to someone more experienced?

Thanks! Dingodog19 (talk) 06:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Dingodog19! To learn how to edit, you can go to the introduction tutorial which is here.

After that you can learn how to edit using the suggestions on your user home page.

Hope this helps! :D Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 07:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dingodog19 – Generally, Wikipedia guidelines state that the article isn't going to fix itself or wait for more experienced people. So, by all means, jump right in!
As for your concerns, I have a few answers:

a lot of awkward sentences: That is known as simple copy-editing, which is a great starting point for new editors (I started by doing this myself!).
some of the references don't work: This may need further clarification, but I'll assume it's probably: A) the link is dead (in that case there are archival links available), or B) cite errors (I see none on the article), of which you can find help on fixing that here.
others don't seem to make the point that the text says they make: This is exactly what the policy on verifiability states! If you can find a source (reliable, of course) that does actually make the point, as you said, by all means add it (use the cite tool in the editor if you have it)! Otherwise, it is probably best to remove it per the verifiability policy.

Just make sure that the edits you end up making follow the rest of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Other than that, happy editing! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 07:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Dingodog19, and welcome to the Teahouse. Like the others who have answered, I say, Go for it.

I would advise you to read WP:BRD, so that you understand that editors disagreeing is a normal part of how Wikipedia works, and if somebody reverts one of your edits, that doesn't necessarily mean you've done anything wrong.

The other thing I'll say is that 3PPYB6's advice may make it sound as if you have a huge amount of studying before you can start editing. That isn't so. Have a scan of that page, and also look at the Five pillars, but nobody expects you to have it all under your belt before you start editing. If you don't follow a procedure, somebody will tell you (hopefully, gently!) ColinFine (talk) 11:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles that are more than ten years old, like National Center for Health Research, often need a lot of house cleaning, ref checking, etc., as those are the cumulative results of scores of not hundreds of different editors. Some general advice - if the topic of the article is in any way contentious, look at the Talk page (including archive older content on the Talk page) to see if changes you are considering have been discussed in the past. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP editor keeps making seemingly accidental edits to a page, not sure what to do

An IP user on the page Country code has been randomly adding the country code for Bangladesh and deleting random parts of the page. It seems accidental, however it keeps happening constantly. The comments are various things, including their personal Facebook username (?). They have been warned twice now as well for edits on the same page. I've noticed other IP editors doing the same thing, adding the country code for Bangladesh to the page or deleting random parts of the article. I'm not really sure what I should do, if I should take it up with an administrator, or try and get the page protected. Thanks. TechnoKittyCat (talk) 06:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will help you! I can report them. Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 07:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the help! TechnoKittyCat (talk) 07:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! :) Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 07:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please help get WiiUf to quit spreading misinformation so I can donate to wikipedia! $$$$$$$$ GOD BLESS TRUMP! HATERSHATEBOY (talk) 10:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TechnoKittyCat – The recommended venue is WP:AIV for cases like these (this doesn't seem "accidental"; it is vandalism per the linked policy). However, seeing as the page has been vandalized repeatedly by different IP addresses, it would probably be a good idea to start a page protection request thread. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 07:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@3PPYB6 Thanks for the reply. I do agree that it is vandalism, however, most of the edits seem to not be intentionally destructive and merely users misunderstanding how to use Wikipedia. Thank you for pointing me in the correct direction, I'll look into getting the page protected and report some of the repeat infringers. TechnoKittyCat (talk) 07:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TechnoKittyCat – Noted. I will probably agree that they probably didn't intend to destroy it but they probably should have stopped upon being called out to do so. Still, such editing remains disruptive to the overall reader. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 07:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TechnoKittyCat and 3PPYB6:, please be aware that Wikipedia's definition of WP:VANDALISM differs in an important way from the definition of the English word. In particular, if the damage is not intentional on the part of the editor, then it is not vandalism, and should neither be reported as vandalism, nor taken to the WP:AIV noticeboard. Even total destruction of an article is not vandalism if the editor in question was attempting to improve it, but messed it up badly because of inattention, lack of skill or experience, or any other reason. Vandalism, in Wikipedia's sense of the word, requires malice and an intention to disrupt the article.

If they did not intend to destroy it in your opinion, then the first step is to add a friendly message on their Talk page informing them of what happened to the page (they may not know or ever find out, if no one tells them), and then explain to them how they can avoid similar problems going forward. Hope this helps. Mathglot (talk) 07:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting

How do I report in Wikipedia? Taymallah Belkadri (talk) 07:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of report are you asking about, Taymallah Belkadri? (Report of an error? Report of malicious edits? ...) -- Hoary (talk) 07:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this is related to the thread immediately above, then simply, you do not. (i) Don't promise to do something when you have little or no idea of how to do it. (ii) Another editor has already come to the rescue. -- Hoary (talk) 07:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where to place comorbities within a medicine-related article

Where do I place a section on co-morbidities within an article about a disease? Does it go in the epidemiology section? The Wikipedia manual of style for medicine-related articles does not say. TIA Daphne Morrow (talk) 08:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, @Daphne Morrow. If there's nothing in WP:MEDMOS, then I suggest asking on its talk page, WT:MEDMOS. ColinFine (talk) 11:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou! Daphne Morrow (talk) 11:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Getting people to collaborate on a page I made

I'm working on my second article and plan to do many more because my country doesn't have many people willing to write any but it's increasingly difficult because for some reason people here haven't normalized posting on websites, many would rather post on social media and call it a day, that's including government bodies and high authorities in certain industries. Is there a way to invite authors to help research and write. D4RKM47R1X (talk) 09:30, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@D4RKM47R1X You can try asking for input/assistance at related WP:WIKIPROJECTS, such as Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Popular culture and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

D4RKM47R1X, Draft:Nerd Otaku suggests that the country is Zambia. When it's time to ask for help, a place to ask would be Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Zambia. But before you ask, you should strip the draft of material that can only be sourced to "Nerd Otaku" itself. -- Hoary (talk) 10:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, a little WP:ABOUTSELF stuff can be ok. But it doesn't help the case for having the article on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a bunch D4RKM47R1X (talk) 12:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Needy Foundation

How can I improve my Draft:Needy Foundation?

What other details are needed to move this from a draft to an article? 103.121.223.144 (talk) 10:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A good start would be to read the feedback that has already been provided to you on your talk page and in the draft comments and take action based on that.

There are many issues with your draft. But the most important thing for you to understand is that independent references are a must (for example, media coverage of the organisation). It's impossible to create a Wikipedia article without these. Please see Wikipedia:Notability. MarchOfTheGreyhounds 10:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would add that media coverage must not just report the routine activities of the organization, but must provide significant coverage indicating how WP:ORG is met. 331dot (talk) 10:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, some references and program images have been updated in the Draft:Needy Foundation.

Please check it now. 103.121.223.144 (talk) 11:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, some references and program images have been updated in the Draft:Needy Foundation.

Please check it now. 103.121.223.144 (talk) 11:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't do what we've asked. You need to remove the "mission" section, as Wikipedia is not interested in what an organization considers to be its mission. You need to summarize what others say about the organization.

Are you associated with this organization? 331dot (talk) 11:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You say that they have received recognition, but don't say what it is. Even if you did, awards do not contribute to notability unless the awards themselves have articles(like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award) 331dot (talk) 11:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I have no affiliation with this organization.

The only reason for writing this article is that they implement their programs in different parts of Bangladesh and the lower class people and poor students of Bangladesh get help from their programs. Since they do this good work in different parts of the country, I thought of writing an article about their foundation on Wikipedia because there is no article about the foundation on Wikipedia.

Sir, I have removed the mission section as per your advice. Please check it 103.121.223.144 (talk) 12:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like they are an organization that does good work, but that doesn't mean they are notable as Wikipedia defines it. Also see WP:NOBLE. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, IP user. Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 11:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sir, I have written this article from a completely general perspective. 103.121.223.144 (talk) 12:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP, I've gone through the references. You seem to have simply sprinkled them throughout, most of them do not seem to support the content they're inserted behind. And some of them which DO support that content are nowhere near it. I've moved one to behing the content it supports, but what we do here is read the sources and write the article from the sources, not the other way around. Valereee (talk) 12:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've edited to remove content that isn't actually in the sources, and placed those sources behind the content they do support. I cannot speak to the reliability of these sources, and some are redlinks, which means we don't have an article on them. Often we will actually have an article on a subject but because of transliteration it's hard for a nonspeaker to find. If Wikipedia has an article on any of the redlinked sources (which you can see by looking at the references section), fix the link in the citation so that a reviewer can see. Also it's helpful to expand the sources and translate them, like I've done. We accept non-English sources, but an entire reference section sources in a different alphabet can be daunting to reviewers. Valereee (talk) 12:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sir, can I submit the draft now or I have to do some more work?
Please check and let me know. 103.121.223.144 (talk) 15:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a woman. I know that addressing people that way is considered polite in many cultures, but it's not necessary on English Wikipedia, and it's better not to risk addressing a woman as sir. :)

Yes, you can resubmit, but I can't speak to whether a reviewer will be convinced. The pure amount of coverage is probably just enough, but the sources themselves need to be reliable and independent. I'm not familiar with Bangladeshi sources, so I can't speak to their reliability, and some of them felt like they were written from press releases, which is not considered independent. Valereee (talk) 15:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ma'am, can you review the draft and approve it as an article? 103.121.223.144 (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really can't, because I don't know the sources at all. But you can resubmit and see if another reviewer who maybe is familiar with Bangladeshi sources can help. Valereee (talk) 15:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The people who review drafts on Wikipedia English are not Bangladeshi, but they still give their reviews saying "there are no reliable references", so I was asking if you could please review my draft a little better and see if everything is correct. If everything is correct, convert it from a draft to a main article page. 103.121.223.144 (talk) 15:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We need to know these sources are reliable and independent. There are Bangladeshi people on enwiki; you can ask for help assessing sources at WP:WikiProject Bangladesh. Valereee (talk) 15:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you keep removing sources? Valereee (talk) 15:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a reference has been removed here, but a reliable reference has been given in its place. 103.121.223.144 (talk) 15:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You need three references that are ALL
Significant coverage

Reliable

Independent

That reference was one of the few that was significant coverage. Unless that reference isn't reliable or isn't independent, removing it hurts your claim to notability. Valereee (talk) 15:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ping some Bangladeshi editors Ahp101, Ahammed Saad, can you provide any assistance? Valereee (talk) 15:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's another experienced editor who has edited today, Nafis Fuad Ayon. Valereee (talk) 15:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "Needy Foundation" is an independent nonprofit social service charity organization based on Chittagong. They generally provide charity to poor people, build mosques and related structures, and hand tubwells.Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 16:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Nafis. The draft has been deleted, but the question was reliability and independence of the sources, which were these.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5] ^[6]^[7] Valereee (talk) 16:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this user is either evading a block or a meat puppet, I have blocked them. 331dot (talk) 15:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops. Valereee (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Needy Foundation's welfare activities for the underprivileged throughout the year". Amaderorthoneeti. 2023-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-01.
^ Hossain, Iqbal (6 February 2024). "Needy Foundation supports the underprivileged through various services". Daily Morning Glory. Retrieved 1 December 2024.
^ Hoque, Ahesanul (10 November 2024). "Rice distribution by Needy Foundation in Anwara-Karnaphuli". Daily Purbokone. Retrieved 1 December 2024.
^ Imon, Ismail (12 May 2024). "Inauguration of the newly constructed madrasa building of Needy Foundation at Kaukhali in Rangamati". The Independent (Bangladesh). Retrieved 1 December 2024.
^ "Distribution of uniforms of Needy Foundation among Madrasa students at Anwara". 24TV (Dhaka). 10 October 2024. Retrieved 1 December 2024.
^ Emon, Ismail (9 February 2024). "Distribution of relief materials by "Needy Foundation" among fire victims in Anwara". bartakontho. Retrieved 1 December 2024.
^ Datta, Rupan (30 March 2023). "Needy Foundation distribution of iftar items among 500 families of Anwara-Karnaphuli and Chandanish upazilas". adhikar24. Retrieved 1 December 2024.

Article for submission review declined

i wrote a draft of Yvonne Kagondu citing sources from news websites that are cursory in their coverage of subject. I accept and understand the reasons for declining based on significant coverage. After a hard look, I realize that most news websites in the developing countries do not put much work into coverage of subjects that they are reporting about. This undercuts subjects from meeting the standards for an article. What can be the way forward? Thanks Twicebefore (talk) 10:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. We can't change our guidelines just because certain sources do not perform adequate reporting(and are therefore probably not reliable sources). If a topic does not have significant coverage in independent reliable sources, it cannot have an article on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how do you edit

tell me how 2A02:587:4D07:3C00:94E0:4A92:BBB3:DEE9 (talk) 13:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tap the Edit tab to edit. On some pages you are not able to do this though. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 13:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you intend to add content to existing articles, see WP:42 for ther referencing requirements. New-to-Wikipedia editors often have their additions reverted because even if true, references were not added at the same time. Creating an account is a good idea, although not a requirement. David notMD (talk) 14:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have left links to some guides, on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability: UK hip hop artists

Good afternoon everyone!

A lot of excellent UK artists and groups (Finn Foxell, Louis Culture, Ramson Badbones, Contact Play etc) lack pages on Wikipedia. The majority of their press coverage stems from interviews in magazines, and I was wondering if sources like these were suitable:

https://hero-magazine.com/article/255792/louis-culture

https://theface.com/music/louis-culture-interview-grime-new-ep-when-life-presents-obstacle-uk-rap

https://www.wonderlandmagazine.com/2024/04/18/wonderland-meets-louis-culture/

https://www.repeatmag.com/post/reasons-to-love-louis-culture

They lack secondary sources, since the UK hip hop (not grime) scene lacks a lot of mainstream press coverage. What are your thoughts? Shrapnelnet (talk) 15:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shrapnelnet Interviews are of very limited use in demonstrating notability since they are not independent sources. You may not be aware that there is a specialised search engine at this URL, based on Google, which can be used to find sourcing that is usually reliable for use in Wikipedia. When applied to a search for Ramson Badbones, for example, I see that there are hundreds of sources but at a cursory look they all seem to be about broadcasters and others playing the music, with remarkably little in the way of critique. You may be motivated to delve deeper than I did. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Article

I have been editing a few bits of Wealth of Donald Trump, as it was clearly very biased, but now that I look over it I think it may be beyond repair. Every single bit of information on the article is negative and is almost entirely sourced on left-wing newspapers; so I think it might just have to be deleted, but I don’t know exactly how to go about it and whether it is the right choice. Nvagda (talk) 15:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources for this article include the NY Times, the Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times. These newspapers may express left-of-center views on their Opinion pages, but they are among the most respected journalistic sources in the English-speaking world. Can you to point to any of their reporting that qualifies as 'biased'?

A writer is unlikely to find information about Trump's personal wealth in the NY Post or on the Fox News site, because they seldom publish anything about him that is not, in their view, flattering.

Frank Beck DieHoren (talk) 16:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Working in Draft mode

I want to add new material and source citations to an article currently in Draft mode:

Draft:Maurice Molarsky

How can I save my additions when I stop working for the day? I don't see a Save prompt on the Draft mode Wikipedia page.

Thanks!

Frank Beck DieHoren (talk) 15:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello DieHoren. When you close the editor without saving, you will be able to recover it once you open the editor for that page. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks, M.C. (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just made a change and closed out of the page. When I reopened it, the change was gone.

Am I closing the page incorrectly? DieHoren (talk) 16:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DieHoren You MUST hit the Publish button to save your changes, and do this at least once every hour otherwise they are lost for ever. The alternative would be to write your draft offline. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DieHoren: Welcome to the Teahouse. When you want to save whatever progress you make, click the Publish changes button. Virtually all edits are public. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I'll do that: I'll publish the changes at the end of each editing session, rather than publishing them all at once. Thanks! DieHoren (talk) 16:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do so, @DieHoren. "Publish changes" means "save my changes to whatever page I am working on, remembering that they will be visible to the world". It does not mean "make my changes part of the main part of the encyclopaedia" unless the page you are working on is already an article in the encyclopaedia.

In particular, most articles are indexed by external search engines such as Google, but other pages - and in particular, drafts - are not. ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MouseCursor: Not always. Someone might be lucky enough to have their progress saved, but this isn't a certainty. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way that Wikipedia writers can suggest that a Save prompt be added to the Draft mode page, to make editing easier? DieHoren (talk) 16:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This question had been discussed in the past. People tend to assume that "Save" meant the content in a draft was private until the draft becomes an article. This is not true. All content entered into Wikipedia can be seen by other editors, so the decision was to use "Publish changes" instead. David notMD (talk) 17:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it be useful to have a Save button on the Draft page, so writers could check, revise, and annotate their additions before making them public? What would the downside be to doing so? 74.66.73.143 (talk) 18:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "show preview" button will do that for you. Theroadislong (talk) 18:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Virtually all changes that are saved on Wikipedia are public to other people in any namespace, including Draft:. Sometimes people assume that saving their changes means that they are stored on their account and not visible to readers, but this isn't the case, which is why the button is labelled as such. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sir John Fitzpatrick

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources I need help to resolve this, I'm a novice so not sure what to do and how to do it. Thanks Shepreth (talk) 17:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shepreth: Welcome to the Teahouse. It appears the draft has been deleted for inactivity after six months. You can ask an administrator to undelete it for you if you plan to work on it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shepreth, you started working on this draft in January, 2023. It has been deleted for inactivity twice and restored twice, and then deleted a third time. It has never had any references to reliable sources which are required by several policies including Verifiability and Biographies of living people. I think that most administrators would expect you to provide reliable sources before restoring the draft for third time. I certainly would. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 21:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have COI and it's bumming me out

I am a member of the reformed CWI, which means as far as I understand it I have a Conflict of interest and should only interact with the article and those associated with it (like member parties, list of communists parties globally, ect) via talk page. This severely bums me out for 3 reasons:

I honestly take pride in being approachable and neutral in irl and Wikipedia and it honestly feels like having a blackstain that others will judge
im worried how far it goes. Can I interact with Trotsky's page given that I am a membership of a group which has a very positive view on him? Same with the Bolsheviks and other pages related to socialism and such organisations. I also really enjoyed my access to the site and it's depressing to have it now limited.
that the article needs to undergo heavy work given that there's was a concensus to merge it and the other CWI page and I have a lot of issues with the article as it is but i think it'll be incredibly hard to fixup and article via the talk page and giving COI edits that requires someone to see and then approve them, when it's not even very popular page. What do I do? Have I misunderstood any rules so far and if so what can I do? AssanEcho (talk) 17:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AssanEcho, the fact you have a COI doesn't necessarily mean you can't edit the page. It means you should use caution, and the closer you are to a subject, the more caution you should use. Declare your COI on your own user page per instructions at WP:conflict of interest. You can also declare it at the article talk page; this transparency goes a long way to showing other editors that you are well-intentioned. Then consider announcing changes you're planning to make on the talk page before you make them. Then if someone reverts you, open a section to discuss, WP:ping them there, and listen to them. Valereee (talk) 18:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just adding that if you use Template:Edit COI, it doesn't matter that it's not a very popular page. Using that template will send your edit to a maintenance category that other editors patrol, so it will be seen and actioned eventually. Also, you may want to join WP:SOCIALISM. -- asilvering (talk) 18:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh thank you both so much, this is such a genuine relief! I really was sad over this but now it's like a massive weight got lifted from my shoulders as overdramatic as that might sound! I'll write the disclaimers on my profile now. AssanEcho (talk) 22:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the my conflict of interest to my page yesterday regarding the British/international orgs I participate in but I've also added one which I completely forgotten today. AssanEcho (talk) 23:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability verification: Sam Reid/Studio Revue

Hello, I'm reaching out to check whether the YouTuber Sam Reid or his channel Studio Revue are notable enough to receive Wikipedia pages. I included his 30 day Taco Bell challenge on its Wikipedia page as there's plenty of articles supporting it, but also there's this article about his Fayetteville walking video, not sure if it's relevant enough for a whole article so thought I'd ask Avienby (talk) 18:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

mistake in fixing ref

Hello. I was testing my bot to repair/fix Accelerated Mobile Pages, aka AMP links, and it made this edit. One of the fixed url was incorrect, so I reverted it manually from my main account with this edit. When I fixed it, I thought I fixed it correctly. But now I'm on mobile, and I think I did not do it correctly. Would someone kindly reinstate the non-changed ref? I mean, kindly reinstate only the ref that I tried to fix from the main account. On mobile, I am unable to confirm/be sure if I fixed the ref correctly. I apologise for the inconvenience. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Usernamekiran:

Done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Andy! It is appreciated a lot. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to share a User name

Hi.My name is Alex from Kochi, India. I just join this Wikipedia with a made up name. Actually I want to share the user name 'AlexTheWikipedian' and print on my visiting card also. I have see there is policy which permits this called WP:ISU. What is proper procedure to get my password for account name AlexTheWikipedian ? Regards, Alex Thomas Kurian. BoorsCures (talk) 21:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BoorsCures: Unfortunately, that is currently impossible. However, the similar name Wikipedian Alex is not taken, and you could take it. Would that work for you? QuicoleJR (talk) 21:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, that policy specifically says that sharing accounts is against Wikipedia policy in all circumstances. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Sir. I have made as my name now. Thanking you for the help. WikipedianAlex (talk) 21:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)@BoorsCures: Hi. I am not trying to be rude, but the ISU clearly states at the very beginning: Because Wikipedia's policy states that user accounts cannot be shared between more than one individual, the following types of usernames are not permitted because they imply shared use[...] In short: username sharing is not allowed. Also, out of curiosity, why do you want it to be on your visiting card? —usernamekiran (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would imageine User:AlexTheWikipedian would have something to say about that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do little bit editing on Malayalam Wikipedia. My account there is in Malayalam letters which English reading people may find confusing. So I want English letters name account for English wikipedia. WikipedianAlex (talk) 21:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wondering about the notability of this article I came across

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but is this article Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium (novel) actually notable? It's an article for a movie novelization adapted from a 2007 children's fantasy film by the same title, but it has no critical reviews, no literary references, no sources other than an old website that can't even be displayed without Flash Player, and the website appears to have been created by the book's publisher/distributor to sell or promote the book. I was curious because it's the first Wikipedia page I've ever seen for a children's movie novel. I've heard that most movie novels, if adapted from a film as a commercial addition to the film, typically aren't notable at all, but I don't know. TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 00:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there!

This is the exact place to ask, and it seems that the article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for books. I checked the edit history of the article and it did not seem suspicious (from the short time I looked at it).

If you want to improve the nobility of the article, you can cite reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be shown, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted.

Hope you have a great rest of your day!

Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 00:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would it make sense to merge the page for the movie novel into the page already existing for the movie itself? I don't know how to do that yet (I'm still sort of a novice), but I've had no luck finding secondary sources for this title. I found a few reviews, but they're only from random internet users on sites like Goodreads and Amazon so definitely not a source I want to be trying to cite here on Wikipedia! Thanks for the advice. TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 00:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel as if it could make sense here. I do not know exactly how long the movie article is, but given the Insufficient notability of the novel article, that could be a great idea. For more info check out Merging!

If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to ask!

Best, Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 00:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to pester again, but funny story... it looks like somebody beat me to the merge a long time ago. There's been a 'Novelization' section on the film's main page for some time, but it looks like it's still set up with a reference link back to the page for the novel. I would guess then that the page for the novel is no longer needed and could be deleted, but the movie's page still retains a link back to the separate page for the novel. I'm nervous about actually deleting the page for the novel in case it affects the link on the page for the movie, but it's partially merged onto the broader page for the movie already. It's sort of like it's referencing content on a separate page, while already displaying that same content on its own page already. The page for the novel at this stage is totally redundant but I don't know how deleting it might affect redirect links. TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 00:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: I added a deletion proposal tag to the page for the novelization. It looks like the only redirect link would be on the page for the movie, which is just displaying the same information in its 'Novelization' subsection anyway. Thanks for the helpful advice! I'm still a bit new so don't want to make any mistakes, great that this talk space exists for these things. TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 01:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are not pestering me at all! I have gone ahead and deleted all links that reference the novel article, and have included all the important information on the main page.

As for not making mistakes, it seems that you are acting in good faith, and if you make a mistake a mentor will most likely let you know on your talk page! Luke Elaine Burke (talk) 01:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit clash. I had written quote: Put it up for deletion, TradingSpousesWelsch. Here's the recipe. Don't worry about redirects; what you instead need to do is make sure that your nomination clearly and accurately cites an established deletion rationale. Unquote. (If anyone removes your prod notice, you can still do this. But not before then.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's a note on the deletion proposal suggesting that I notify the author who created the page proposed for deletion. I know the page was created 10 years ago, but would it be worth notifying the original page author, or not necessary? TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 01:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TradingSpousesWelsch, the article in question was created by User: Frog47, who has not edited in nearly 11 years. I do not think that notification would accomplish anything. Cullen328 (talk) 01:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:The Red River Ramblers

Hello! I just want to add this concern of this draft article Draft:The Red River Ramblers that I declined on AfC because of lack of information and not pass on WP:BLP. I declined this draft article because, the draft was so confusing to read it and failed of notability on WP:BAND, although it's stated on the criteria that Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. it's still insufficient to accept that article and I am just following the reviewing instructions of AfC. And they can't take a criticism and just being WP:UNCIVIL and breaking the five pillars of Wikipedia (see discussion from Wikishovel) and it might be blocked from editing if they do that again. I will mention JohnBrazeau if you want to talk on their talk page or leave a suggestions on the draft. Please not that JohnBrazeau is a new editor here in Wikipedia. Royiswariii Talk! 01:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Royiswariii, please explain how you think that the article violates the WP:BLP policy. I see no such violations. An AfC draft should be accepted if it is more likely than not to survive an Articles for deletion debate. The Juno award nomimation and award show performance indicates that this band does meet WP:BAND, and I consider it likely that an article would survive AfD. I suggest that you reconsider. Of course, the draft can be improved but it is not required that a draft be flawless. Cullen328 (talk) 02:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Cullen328! Not really violates the BLP, it's just not meet the criteria, I mean all of the band under the BLP right? unless all of the band are dead and it's stated on BLP shell even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons.. It's just a summary of the band and it's lack of information about the band, Although it's meet WP:BAND of Juno Awards but it's just confusing to read the article, I said to JohnBrazeau to check some article existing and create that as a inspiration or idea. I would consider it if they fix the draft, not so fancy but decent article like the sections of article. Royiswariii Talk! 02:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Royiswariii, if there are no BLP violations then there is no point in mentioning BLP policy. I find nothing confusing about the draft. Can you mention what in particular you find confusing? Cullen328 (talk) 02:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen328 it's still under BLP the draft article "even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons.". Besides, the draft doesn't have a == Section == that's why it will be more confusing to the readers, not for me but to other's readers too. And I'm finding how they successful of the band too, not just the awards, the rising of their band like if they have a tv exposure, philanthropy, History, Other Ventures, Discography, Filmography, Artistry etc. Although, if one not here i will still accept and consider if they fix the history of the band. Royiswariii Talk! 02:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Royiswariii, there is nothing in the AfC review process that requires that a draft be fully developed or that the draft have section headings. BLP policy has nothing to do with acceptance of a draft about a band unless there are BLP policy violations. You haven't pointed out any. As for the basic history of band, it is there. We know the date of the founding and the name of the founder. We know the personnel on the first album and the personnel on the second album, as described in the Juno nomination. I think that you are asking for much more than is required at AfC. Cullen328 (talk) 03:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have a problem here now Cullen328, JohnBrazeau appears violating WP:G11 and he admitted to be have a connection to the band (see here), should we csd the draft as {{db-advert}} and report to block the user? Royiswariii Talk! 08:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Royiswariii, one of the reasons that the AfC process was created in the first place was to allow editors with a conflict of interest to create drafts for review by uninvolved efitors. As a matter of fact, the WP:Conflict of interest policy explicitly says you should put new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of creating them directly. Are you aware of that? You seem quick to call for editors following policy to be blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 10:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My concern was that the user appears to be the same as the already-blocked User:Theredriverramblers, or at least working together. Doesn't really matter now as the user has achieved their goal. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about revdel

Recently I came across some edits that deserve revdel. For obvious reasons I'm not linking them here. To give some info they would fall under RD2. I'm not sure where to report them, as I've already tried the Libra chat channel a few minutes ago (I got no response so I left after a bit), and I don't have an email connected to my account so I can't do that. What should I do? Gaismagorm (talk) 01:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaismagorm, Wikipedia: Revision deletion says When contacting editors about sensitive material, email is preferred to talk page messages, to avoid exposing information to more readers. I am an administrator. If you email me, I will look into the matter and act accordingly. Cullen328 (talk) 01:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

alright I'll email you in a minute Gaismagorm (talk) 02:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cullen328 how would I go about finding your email? Gaismagorm (talk) 02:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is important to note that I do not have an email associated with this account. Also I believe that I might have to do this tomorrow as it is getting late. Gaismagorm (talk) 02:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaismagorm, you will need to activate email to contact me that way. Cullen328 (talk) 02:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it might be a bit then. I'll see what I can do, but for now I can't do much. Like I said, I'll try to figure this out tomorrow. Gaismagorm (talk) 02:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaismagorm, as I view User talk:Cullen328, I see a link, "Email this user". I'd click on this link. -- Hoary (talk) 02:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hoary, my understanding is that email works only if both editors have email enabled. Cullen328 (talk) 02:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, Cullen328. -- Hoary (talk) 04:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cullen328 nevermind looks like somebody revdelled it. All good! Gaismagorm (talk) 22:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My Draft Appear to Have Been Deleted

I was preparing an improved version of the article that was deleted earlier. If my draft was in fact deleted, this is very humiliating, because the new version of the old article was going to be drastically improved:

Draft:William Lawrence Hanson - Wikipedia Starlighsky (talk) 02:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Starlighsky: Welcome to the Teahouse. You do not appear to have ever created a page at Draft:William Lawrence Hanson; there is no notice mentioning any previous deletions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starlighsky, I see no evidence that, using this user ID, you have ever created any draft that was subsequently deleted. -- Hoary (talk) 02:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks everyone. I will start on it again, then. Starlighsky (talk) 02:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While you're creating, augmenting and improving it, Starlighsky, be sure to click "Publish changes" every few minutes. ("Publish" here means "Save".) -- Hoary (talk) 02:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe they are referring to [1] which was never in draft space. closhund /talk/ 02:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was what I was trying to rewrite in an improved version just now. I guess it was a glitch in the system. Starlighsky (talk) 02:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 02:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help for first time editors.

Courtesy link: Draft:George Tokkos

Hello! I am William. I am an avid sports fan and I would like to add wiki pages for lesser known athletes in big sport promotions. Could any of you help guide me with my first edit? I am not sure if and of you can just look at what I submitted and give me specific pointers in how to thoroughly and accurately compose a wiki page. Thank you for all of your time. YoBigWill (talk) 04:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@YoBigWill: Welcome to the Teahouse. It seems a reviewer has already taken a look at your draft and declined it. Subjects need to be considered wikinotable to warrant an article on Wikipedia; that is determined by references. You did not provide any citations to reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello YoBigWill. If you haven’t already done so I would recommend reading Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. You can’t just say someone was born on a certain date, got his nickname from a movie character, and earned a black belt, you need to cite reliable sources that state those facts. I know nothing about mixed maritial artists, and what makes someone notable in that field, but you should look for Wikipedia articles on other martial artists to see what was written in accepted articles. Are there martial arts organizations that have awarded Tokkos honors, are sports programs reporting on Tokkos’ achievements? If so, then you’ll need to find good sources stating that. The good news is that your draft articles hasn’t been rejected, which would mean there is no hope in getting your work approved. It has been declined, which means it may get approved if improvements are made. Best wishes on future work on your draft. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @YoBigWill, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

Please understand that creating new articles is not the only, or necessarily the best, way to improve Wikipedia.

In order to write an article about somebody or something, that somebody or something must meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which are not the same as the everyday meaning of "notable": many people unfamiliar with Wikipedia find it hard to understand this. If they don't meet the criteria, then trying to create an article about them is a waste of everybody's time.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 13:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review my first sandbox

I just edited my first draft. Will an experienced editor review it and let me know if its good for submission. Draft:Music City Drum and Bugle Corps Rickypriv (talk) 05:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declined once, revised, resubmitted. A reviewer will provide reasons if declined aggain. David notMD (talk) 05:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My earlier draft was declined due to verifiable references , could some one look at the new references

Draft:Fort Jadhavgadh - Wikipedia

I request the editors to look at the intext citations and references in the draft . David notMD , you may as you have seen this earlier.

Thank you Regards Sare56 (talk) 07:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I examined just one sample, Sare56, and have posted a comment on Draft:Fort Jadhavgadh. -- Hoary (talk) 07:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I will do the needful Regards Sare56 (talk) 10:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of the draft and refs are not about the history of the fort, but rather to promote its restoration and staffing as a "luxury retreat" (hotel?). All that needs to be removed. David notMD (talk) 13:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK Sir. Will make changes. Sare56 (talk) 05:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added the references of Fort history in the paragraph mentioned by Hoary. Sare56 (talk) 05:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a resource request/share board for digital/physical archival materials on (or off) Wikipedia?

The resource exchange seems to be more for books, journals and various library resources, the Help:Archival Material is for searching archival materials in established institutions, but many (little-known, obscure) archival materials are currently only accessible via private collections (online or offline), in Wayback Machine that is no longer locatable by google, or is on Internet Archive but is difficult to find if you don't know exactly what you are looking for (and the exact keywords). An resource exchange board, where we can request either by exact name and producer or topic, and post what materials we have or are familiar with, should be very helpful. An archive resource guide (like a research guide, libguide, or bibliography) for each wikiproject should also be welcome. I came up with this question attepting to fix dead links (video no longer available) to historical but high-quality shows on PBS. I am the type that you may call paranoid, and I always save a local copy of anything good I find on the Internet. It's indeed possible that someone else has archived it, but we are simply unable to find each other because the absence of such place. Hym3242 (talk) 10:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hym3242 Have you considered The Wikipedia Library? This gives access to many archival sources and I think you would be eligible to join. Note that the resource request project does accept open-ended questions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I already have TWL access and have checked it with no success. Some institutions are notoriously bad for keeping their own records, we often must rely on wayback machine or fan sites / private collections. I often come across references containing links to random websites on the internet that holds some obscure material extremely hard to find elsewhere. Hym3242 (talk) 12:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hym3242, PBS videos are copyrighted and we cannot link to any website that hosts copyrighted content without the written permission of the copyright holder. The policy language can be found at WP:Copyrights, where it says However, if you know or reasonably suspect that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of copyright, do not link to that copy of the work without the permission of the copyright holder. An example would be linking to a site hosting the lyrics of many popular songs without permission from their copyright holders. Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States (Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry [1]); cf. GS Media v Sanoma for a landmark case in the European Union. Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors. Cullen328 (talk) 01:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How can I write about something that doesn't exist

I want to write an article about a type of system that doesn't exist yet, but it is inspired the fifth Generation Computer Systems (FGCS) project. Am I allowed? Bellosan (talk) 10:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bellosan Wikipedia articles should only be about topics that ~~exist and~~ are covered by multiple reliable sources, so the answer would be no. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that a subject has to exist for it to merit an article- as long as independent sources give it significant coverage. There are all sorts of articles about subjects that haven't happened yet(2028 Summer Olympics) or that are just concepts(I don't have an example handy). 331dot (talk) 10:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, my bad. I've struck part of my response. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. It's certainly an understandable position- and if things don't exist and don't have sources, yep, no article. 331dot (talk) 12:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vactrain, X-Seed 4000 city? We also have a whole bunch of articles on Hypothetical particles. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. If you have such sources that you can summarize in an article, an article about this subject can be on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bellosan If there are references in reliable sources giving this thing significant independent coverage, then you may. If not, then not. This is a slight variance from the CanonNi's answer, but c=does not disagree with it 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bellosan You may like to develop your Wikipedia skills by improving our existing article on the Fifth Generation Computer Systems. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do i create a article in Wikipeida

Is there anyway to create a article in Wikipedia Kdkddtkgk (talk) 11:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. You are getting some experience under your belt first by editing existing articles, which is a good thing- but we usually suggest that you spend much time doing this before attempting to create a new article. However, if you wish to attempt to do so now, you may use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft. You will first want to gather independent reliable sources that give the subject you wish to write about significant coverage and ensure that the subject is notable as Wikipedia uses the word. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kdkddtkgk, I have moved the article "Typhoon Violet (1996)" to Draft:Typhoon Violet (1996). Please work to improve the draft before attempting any other new article. When the draft is tolerably good, it can of course be moved back to "Typhoon Violet (1996)". -- Hoary (talk) 12:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the help page WP:Your First Article. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Kdkddtkgk, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 13:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which is more useful?

Is copyediting or updating information more useful? It seems pretty obvious that updating information and adding sources would be better, but fixing grammar and rephrasing sentences can do wonders for an article's readability. I've done a bit of both and I like doing both jobs, but I want to do the one that has a bigger impact. ApteryxRainWing | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 12:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do just one when you can do both, @User:ApteryxRainWing? You can update information and add sourcing while you copyedit, or copyedit before improving the article. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both are useful. I'd suggest contributing any way you can if you notice a problem with an article. That's how I started out! TypoEater (talk) 17:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ApteryxRainWing If you have a very good understanding of the subject of an article, removing incorrect and inappropriate text and references can also be seen as article improvement. For an extreme example, back in 2017, the length and number of references for Tocotrienol were cut by more than half. David notMD (talk) 11:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked, why, and why can't I even do what is advised?

Hello, I am fairy new to Wikipedia, especially the English one. I hope this is the right place to ask, and please excuse my English, I am from Austria. About a week ago, I added some information to the article "Diakopto–Kalavryta_railway" (section "Reception"), see Special:Contributions/47.69.167.104. But when I now try to do anything, I get a message that my IP is blocked, which is also on "User talk:47.69.167.104" that is linked there.

1, I wonder why, I guess I have not done anything wrong, but if please tell me what.
2, I get a link to a talk page User talk:47.69.167.104 for "User 47.69.0.0/16" with a "AGF reminder" that I don't understand what that is about. And, there is mentioning "If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: unblock|reason=Your reason here". I would have done that, but the same result: I am not allowed to do that. Where is the sense to that?
3, when I looks there a few days ago, it was said the block was for 2 weeks, ok, I can wait. But now, it says for several months!

I hope someone can explain to me what happend and why, and can have a closer look into that. Thank you. [I send this from a friends computer, because of the block that does not allow me to do anything, not even aske here) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.72.108 (talk) 13:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:47.69.167.104 is within a range block, blocked to prevent block evasion. There shouldn't be anything preventing you from posting to the user talk page, the block allows this(though it's possible another block could be affecting you). If you are not evading a block, I suggest that you request an account via WP:ACC. 331dot (talk) 13:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, but no, when I try to add anything to the talk page, I too get the message "You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: ..." I tried with "edit", with "reply", with "add a new topic", all the same. User page (has a red link) is closed for me as well. I even tries to contact the person who did the block, but again I am not allowed. I could do that now from my friend's computer, but do not dare because I fear that his IP will be blocked then, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.72.108 (talk) 13:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A block would not allow you to edit other user talk pages, only your own, unless access to it was withdrawn, but that's not the case from what I see. As I said, it's possible another block could be affecting you, though I'm not sure how to find out. I suggest you use WP:UTRS to request unblock. I am wondering why you wish to edit the English Wikipedia as you say you're Austrian, why not the German Wikipedia? (It's fine, just curious) 331dot (talk) 13:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My friend thinks this might come because this is a dynamic IP, so I can not edit the talk page for 47.69.0.0/16 (or any of the previous IPs I got), because that will not be the exact same IP. But I also can not edit "my" current talk page as long as I am connected with my own device. I could try those other options if I have the time, but not convinced it is worth the effort. Seem complicated. About your other question, there are several issues with the German wikipedia. First, I added something about a book and film that has no article in the German version. Then, everything you add to the German wikipedia needs to be screened by some elder editor, which usually takes weeks or even happens never. An account does not really help, as that will be activated for free editing only after a long time and many many edits. In my occasional use of wikipedia that just makes no sense. Apart from all that the German wikipedia is in many articles totally outdated (mabe due to lack of editors for the same reasons), so adding just a little bits will not improve when the whole article needs a complete update. When I want to read about a topic I usually went to the German wikipedia first but got so annoyed by its contents that I switched to the English one in most cases, and nowadays I go here directly. I feel that the German version is going down. In the end, I got convinced that in times of easy and better and better automatic translation we only need one world encyclopedia which is hard enough to keep up to date, not one for every language, not even German. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.72.108 (talk) 14:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Getting an account could fix these problems. If you are not currently able to create one, you can request one at WP:ACC. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox tutorial needed for draft

I would like a tutorial for making a custom infobox for my draft which covers the subject of a transportation hub/center. Can someone help me make my own infobox or a template that fits this subject? BusMapper (talk) 15:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. You could just copy and paste one from an existing article. That said, infoboxes are not required for a draft to pass the submission process. They're considered an enhancement. 331dot (talk) 15:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BusMapper The standard template {{Infobox station}} should work perfectly well for your draft. The problem is that your draft currently has no cited sources from which readers can verify what is said and demonstrate that this particular hub is wikinotable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still struggling as I'm not finding how to use the {{Infobox station}} as none will show up. It just shows as coding in the article instead of an infobox on the top right. Please someone experienced could help me with this. For this informative article I desperately need an infobox. BusMapper (talk) 16:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, are you using the VisualEditor or Source Editor? Source editing can be quite challenging. I can try to assist you by adding one, but I will only be able to do this in my free time.

Edit: please provide a link to the draft. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 16:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:James F. Conahan Intermodal Transportation Center. BusMapper (talk) 16:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BusMapper, please don't spend time worrying about an infobox when other editors are telling you that the article lacks sources. This is like worrying about installing beautiful windows on your house when other people are telling you that the foundations are inadequate and the house might fall down. ColinFine (talk) 16:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to make an informative article. I need an infobox. BusMapper (talk) 17:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BusMapper, hope you are well!

ColinFine explained this in his previous message, but is always best to listen to what editors are trying to tell you! It is best to first focus on fixing the most important parts of articles before worrying about small visual changes! If you have any more questions please let me know and I will try my best to answer them! L.E. Rainer 17:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ty BusMapper (talk) 17:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Infoboxes should generally be the last step as you need references for your thing to be accepted into Wikipedia!
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BusMapper: While others are correct to say you must add sources before the article is published, there is nothing to say you cannot add an infobox before you do so, and I cannot understand why no-one has answered your question. I've put an infobox in your draft, and started to populate it. As you can see, there is an error message, because coordinates are needed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't attempt to answer the question because if in fact @BusMapper cannot find the sources required to establish that the subject is notable, then all their work on an infobox will be wasted. ColinFine (talk) 19:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And BusMapper will still have learned how to add an infobox, ready for the next time they want to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm under the assumption that we are all trying to communicate the same thing. No need to argue or spend any more time on this subject. If BusMapper has any more questions regarding this topic I am sure he will ask! Best, L.E. Rainer 20:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Version Control System

Why use resources to prevent vandalism when employing an open source like version control system for your edits could do so with less overhead? 134.215.238.86 (talk) 15:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This sort of suggestion is best suited for the Village Pump. 331dot (talk) 15:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to our version control article, Wikipedia's page history is a form of version control. The problem in dealing with vandalism is that some edits look like vandalism but may have been made in good faith and it often requires other human editors to tell the difference. There are bots which revert many types of obvious vandalism. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Resources (like Twinkle) allow alerting users, speedy moderation and classification as well. As Michael D. Turnbull said, Wikipedia still kind of uses a version control system. This also allows bots to detect obvious vandalism Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 16:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Civil Rights Memorial

The article states 41 "martyrs", but only 40 names are listed because Emmett Till's name is missing. Buravirgil (talk) 17:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to add it yourself —Matrix(!) _{ping one}^{when replying} {u - t? - _uselessc} 18:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Matrix, but I've only joined Wikipedia today and am still learning its procedures. I felt the topic and error were sufficiently prominent to report, but did not (still do not) know if Teahouse is the appropriate forum. Buravirgil (talk) 18:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Buravirgil: Seems like an IP removed it in September for no reason and no one caught the error - I've fixed it. —Matrix(!) _{ping one}^{when replying} {u - t? - _uselessc} 18:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing a specific entry with outdated links to Web Archive

I used the Talk section of this page (Property management) to ask my question, but I have not had a response, so I am posting it here. I am an employee of one of one of the firms listed in the entry, and I have some concerns.

"I would like to update the section of this article relating to the National Association of Residential Property Managers to reflect current info, but I am not sure of the protocol. Specifically: 1. The designations listed in that section have been changed. I don't think anyone would mind me adding current info there, but it is tied to the second problem: 2. The internet archive pages linked carry very outdated information. A current website exists with current information that is updated regularly. A snapshot of the page from years ago is hardly as useful as the current information is, right? Why can't we use the actual page? May I please have some guidance on this? Thanks, Barbra" SawdustForBrains (talk) 18:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @SawdustForBrains, and welcome to the Teahouse.

First, as you are an employee of the firm, it is mandatory for you to make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor.

Secondly, no, you should not edit the article directly - thank you for holding back from doing so. What you should do instead is make an edit request on the talk page - one of the advantages of using the edit request mechanism is that it will add your request to a list of waiting requests, so it does not depend on somebody watching that particular talk page.

Thirdly, the citation is to an archived copy because the original webpage is no longer available at that address, and nobody has been in and updated it to wherever it is to be found now.

Having said all that, in my opinion. the entire "Professional Designations" section should be removed from the article, because much of it is unsourced, and what is sourced (like the section for your organisation) is sourced only to its own website. A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what independent sources say about a subject, not what organisations say about themselves.

Later on I shall either tag the article, or put a comment on the talk page, or both. ColinFine (talk) 19:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, who is able to edit that page, if not me? Why am I not able to edit it? I couldn't even get a question answered in a month, so I haven't got much faith in submitting a request to edit the page.

As far as professional designations goes, ours should be deleted because others have not sourced their own designations pages? That seems wrong. NARPM only issues the designations for NARPM, IREM issues the designations for IREM, and so on. They can only be sourced to the people who issue them. I didn't check the page for ISO certification, but most likely that would link to the ISO website, correct? It's the same situation here. Why is the company's own website not sufficient? We aren't discussing opinions here, this is factual info and linking straight to the source seems better.

If I am reading this correctly:

1. I cannot update my own company info, someone else must do it, and we have no idea who might tackle that or when.

2. Since I brought up trying to update the page, we are now going to be deleting a large section - and the only section that deals with my company - entirely? Well, I guess we won't have to worry about the first question, will we.

Have I got all that correct? SawdustForBrains (talk) 20:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, again, @SawdustForBrains. More or less, yes.

1. Almost anybody in the world may update the article except you and your colleagues. This is our policy on editing with a conflict of interest. There are currently only nineteen request in Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest edit requests, so most requests get attended to reasonably quickly.

2. I'm afraid that you have inadvertently drawn my attention to one of our many thousands of seriously substandard articles. In my opinion that section should be deleted because it is mostly unsourced, because it is almost (not entirely) about one country in the world, and because Wikipedia is not a directory

Actually, most of the article is unsourced, and therefore seriously lacking.

Ideally, somebody would spend a considerable amount of time finding suitable reliable independent sources for the subject of the article (property management), and rewrite it as necessary so that it was precisely a summary of what those sources said, and nothing else. I expect that they would trim a lot of non-encyclopaedic material out of it. Obviously, this is a major piece of work, and not one that I have any interest in doing. So, having tagged it with its deficiencies, I shall leave it for somebody else. In all likelihood it will remain in its present sorry state for a very long time. ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I see the problem. I briefly entertained rewriting the entire thing. I do have the resources to do that and bring it up to standards, but it's a dauntingly huge project. I think I will learn to ignore this. Thanks for your help. SawdustForBrains (talk) 14:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My need for the Teahouse strikes again...

Hello.....again Teahouse!

I'm an passionate editor for amusement park and roller coaster related articles. I somewhat recently discovered an older Project that I wanted to help complete. The problem is, all of the editors working on it have either been inactive on Wikipedia for years or semi-retired and no longer edit. The list and project itself hasn't been updated in what looks like forever, and it's a project I want to rescue and finish. The only other place I considered trying for help was Wikiproject:amusementparks but it's been very inactive for years and seems to be mostly abandoned as well. In fact, whenever I have article inquires regarding anything park/coaster related, I'm often left without answers. So:

Where can I go to get help rescuing this project to update and finish it?
Where can I go to get help with any amusement park/roller coaster topics? I don't want to have to rely on the Teahouse for all of this. (All the feedback I've gotten here is fantastic but I know this isn't the place for stuff like that)

Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 18:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to read of your disappointment, Therguy10. But the simple fact is that although WikiProjects were of great use in the early days of Wikipedia -- when it was glaringly obvious that Wikipedia was grossly inadequate and it was beneficial to decide which kinds of improvements were most urgently required -- they're of much less use these days, other than for topics requiring (or benefiting a lot from) specialist knowledge or an unusual degree of coordination. So my answer to your first question is: Probably nowhere. As for the second question, it depends of course on what kind of help you're after. If it's the evaluation of possible sources, then WP:RSN; if it's a civil engineering matter, then WT:WikiProject Civil engineering; if it's a question specific to a park in or close to Chicago, then WT:WikiProject Chicago; and so forth. -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I appreciate that response. I’ll try to see what I can do on my own but will go to specific groups if necessary. I really appreciate it! Therguy10 (talk) 23:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Small Wikiprojects can still be pretty effective if the editors are active, so if you run into others who are editing about amusement parks, you can try to band together and kick-start the Wikiproject yourself. Keep the project and its talk page on your watchlist in case anyone happens by. -- asilvering (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a good idea so I'll see what I can do. Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 13:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Significant coverage definition?

Does this article from Rock Paper Shotgun count towards the significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) definition for each game listed there for the purposes of notability? Cause the definition of SIGCOV stated that it doesn't have to be the main topic, especially since that page lists over 10 games. Note that RPS is reliable per WP:VG/S. JuniperChill (talk) 19:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @JuniperChill. I would say it is borderline - two paragraphs is just about the minimum. If combined with two more substantial sources, I would accept it. ColinFine (talk) 22:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with ColinFine. What is important is that there are enough information present in sources to write a fleshed out and neutral article. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I normally say at least three sources should do. Two may be alright, but three sounds safe cause GNG says that it needs (from the top of my head) multiple reliable sources that are independent and talk about it in depth. I think people add like 20 of these low quality and wondering why it still wasn't accepted, yet just three sources and it gets a green light? Clearly a good example of quality over quantity. JuniperChill (talk) 08:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Author/minor planet redirect

Would it be reasonable to change the redirect for "Foglar" from "Meanings of minor-planet names: 9001–10000#102" to "Jaroslav Foglar" – the writer after whom the planet in question is named? Alongside adding a disclaimer/link to the top of the Jaroslav Foglar page, of course. It doesn't seem practical to look up "Foglar", only to get a page seemingly unrelated in name as a result. I might be biased about this, though. Vtipoman (talk) 20:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. You could have done it yourself, @Vtipoman: see WP:EDRED.

I will add a Hatnote to Jaroslav Foglar pointing to the minor planet. ColinFine (talk) 22:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inline templates after punctuation policy

I thought there was a policy that if an inline template is used adjacent to punctuation, the template should go after the symbol. Could someone provide me a link, or did I make that up? Tule-hog (talk) 21:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a general standard about that, but references in particular are a common case that does have that guideline in MOS:REFPUNCT. DMacks (talk) 22:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Auto-confirming for Neutral Point of View Notice Board

Hello, I would like to start a discussion on the neutral point of view notice board as I feel there is an article that is being given undue weight here on wikipedia but see you have to be auto-confirmed to post there. How do I go about getting auto-confirmed? Geog1 (talk) 21:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Geog1! You should be able to edit the noticeboard because your account should already be autoconfirmed – you've passed the requirement of 4 days and 10 edits. If you have trouble editing it, it could be because you are logged out, so make sure you're logged in before you add your comment there. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 21:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Please feel free to delete this. Geog1 (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shwovish

I have created a Shwovish-English dictionary.Shwovish is the now dead language of a group of Germanic settlers of what used to be Hungary, Romania, and Yugoslavia, mainly Serbia. Is there a place in Wikipedia for it? It is about 8 megabytes of a Word document that I have also created for Google's NotebookLM. it is more of a glossary than a dictionary. Imersion (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, Wikipedia is not a place for original research (regardless of document format). You might ask at Wikisource, though. -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also Wiktionary is a allied dictionary which would welcome the content in some form. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shwovish redirects to the article Danube Swabians. If your accumulated material includes some that can be Cited to Reliable sources, you might consider adding it to the article's section Danube Swabians#Language. However, such material should be about general matters to do with the language/dialect, not merely a large list (i.e. a dictionary) of words. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.211.243 (talk) 18:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dirk Hamilton (American singer-songwriter)

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Hamilton

Any chance someone could translate this from Italian into English and post it at English-language Wikipedia? Jaxong (talk) 01:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TRANSLATETOHERE suggests that the best way to get this started is to write a short stub for Dirk Hamilton (if you can) and put the template {{expand Italian}} on it. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But more importantly, I should mention, is establishing whether Hamilton should have an article on the English Wikipedia in the first place. He appears to be a musician; does he meet anything listed at WP:MUSICBIO? For instance, if he has had a single or album on any country's national music chart, then he should most likely have an article. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Jaxong, and welcome to the Teahouse.

In many cases the presence of an article in another language is of little use or relevance, so what you are asking is essentially the same as "Could somebody write an article about Dirk Hamilton?" There's nothing wrong with asking that question (and you can do so at requested articles), but the chances of somebody picking up your request are pretty low, unless you manage to hook somebody's interest.

If it happened that it:Dirk Hamilton were adequately sourced, then it might be possible to create an English version by a straight translation, but actually, it does not have a single citation to an independent reliable source, and English Wikipedia does not accept articles - especially articles about living people - without several such sources, so writing an English article would need to be a completely new endeavour. ColinFine (talk) 11:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Am I able to hope?

I have drafted an article on a educational institution based in Malaysia to add on to the list of other institutes within the same industry, as I realized that it's page was not created yet. Is there any hope that it will be reviewed or is there any kind contributors out there that would not mind providing some advice on how to get this picked up.

This is the article page and high appreciation for any advice, contribution, or reviews:

Draft:Claz'room College 01csjiaw (talk) 01:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have submitted it for review and it is pending. 331dot (talk) 02:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no COI information on the article's talk page or your user talk page. Also, the references from Sureworks web site are advertising, with the logo in the list of sponsors at the bottom of the page. I don't think this would be considered independent secondary source not related to the subject. How are you related to this school? Alegh (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @01csjiaw, and welcome to the Teahouse.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 11:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request to Move Draft - first time

I translated this: https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE

into this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stefanwikipedia/Graovo

It's about region I personally know.

How can I move it now to the general space?

Thanks, Stefan Stefanwikipedia (talk) 04:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Stefanwikipedia: Welcome to the Teahouse. As you do not have autoconfirmed rights, you are unable to do so yourself. It would not survive in mainspace as it is because there are no inline citations to any reliable sources to help it be considered wikinotable. Please read Easy referencing for beginners, and consider putting the article through the Articles for Creation process. You can get the attention of a reviewer by putting {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft when you are absolutely sure it is ready. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved it to Draft:Graovo (Bulgaria). (Tenryuu, as this is not a BLP, does it need inline citations? -- Welcome though these are, of course.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hoary: All articles should have reliable sources cited to establish wikinotability. If I'm reading WP:NGEO correctly, there's a good chance that the subject is indeed wikinotable, but there should still be sources to back that up. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My phrasing wasn't the best. To be an article, this must of course have references. (It already has one: something [a single paragraph? a five-page essay?] in a geographical dictionary of Bulgaria.) But must the citations be inline? -- Hoary (talk) 05:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If they're likely to be challenged, yes. I find that when an editor starts to add details, the necessity of using an inline citation approaches 1. I'm not sure if the average AfC reviewer will let it slide; they generally expect three reliable sources, but as a geographical feature maybe it'll be easier? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor Swift The Tortured Poets Department: The Anthology

Hello! I want to create a new, separate article about Taylor Swift's new album The Tortured Poets Department The Anthology, as a physical edition was released exclusively at Target on November 29, 2024. This article proves that. After reading the article, there is a notes section in the tracklist section for the article that says, "Physical editions of The Anthology includes acoustic versions of "Fortnight", "Down Bad", "But Daddy I Love Him" and "Guilty as Sin?" as bonus tracks." How do I go about doing that? Thank you! Colman2000 (talk) 05:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Colman2000 Afaict, this seems reasonably covered at The_Tortured_Poets_Department#Promotion_and_release, there seems to be several "physicals" around. I'm skeptical an article on a specific one would pass WP:GNG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a forum on Wikipdedia to discuss the politics of Wikipedia?

I want to make a general reply to this comment, but it is not necessarily germane to editing the article that it appears on the Talk page of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:COVID-19_lab_leak_theory#c-JMF-20241203012600-Arnies-20241202232000 Maybe just on my own user page? Or is there a place where people are having this discussion? Lardlegwarmers (talk) 08:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lardlegwarmers, Wikipedia has no politics, unless you consider neutrally summarizing human knowledge and making it free to everyone to be political. I don't. If you think that a specific Wikipedia article strays from the Neutral point of view, then discuss that on the talk page of the article in question. If you think that a certain policy ought to be changed, then discuss it on the talk page of that policy. New policy ideas can be proposed at Village pump/Policy. But there is no place for generalized idle chit-chat, because this is a project with a very narrow focus on building an encyclopedia, and it is explicitly not a social media platform. There are plenty of them already. where you can say almost anything that you want. Cullen328 (talk) 09:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to put your thoughts on some WP-issue on your talkpage, that's probably ok. If all you do on WP is writing your thoughts on your userpage, that might be problematic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Writing an article for a band

I am looking to write an article for the B4 Band (I'm the guitarist), where we can upload our discography, who we are, who each member is and our genres. It will be strictly about what we have done and published. It will not be a blog nor advertising. This is the band page: https://www.youtube.com/@theb4band

I'm wondering, is it ok for me to write an article on this? Is it notable? TheB4Band (talk) 11:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is exactly the wrong place to do those things. Wikipedia articles about bands (not "for" bands) summarize what independent reliable sources choose on their own to say about bands that meet our special definition of a notable band.

You need to read conflict of interest and formally disclose your relationship with the band on your user page. For that matter you will need to change your username so that it represents you personally(not your band). Please go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to make a change request as soon as possible. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic. I suggest that you go on about the work of your band, and if it truly meets the notability criteria, someone will eventually see coverage of your band and choose to write about it. Trying to force the issue yourself is not usually successful. 331dot (talk) 11:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheB4Band Short answer: Afaict by a quick googling, no. But I learned that the B4 band is also a part in a volvo.

Longer answer:

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Just summarizing this thread a bit more. As many others have said, Wikipedia is not for this. As 331dot said, you must rename your account using Special:GlobalRenameRequest because at the moment your name repersents the band, not you personally- Notability needs to be seen in WP:BAND as well as reliable sources that are
1. Independent of the subject
2. Secondary
3. in-depth
4. and Reliable.
If you publish an article about yourself, you would have to declare a conflict of interest, by disclosing your relationship with the band on your page.
Please also read the other comments as well if possible! By the way, Articles on yourself aren't necessarily a good thing
Thanks! Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How can you find a different way to get the latest version

how can you find a different way to get the latest version Amogelang22 (talk) 12:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is it you are referring to? 331dot (talk) 14:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you asking about how to compare two versions ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 16:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First new article - help

I'm currently writing a draft of a new article. I'm also using the visual editor. I have entered the first paragraph but I do not see a "save" button only the publish page button.

The URL of the page is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?create=Create+new+article+draft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&summary=--+Draft+creation+using+the+%5B%5BWP%3AArticle+wizard%5D%5D+--&title=Draft%3AFlexLink&oldid=0&action=edit

is it true to save my current edits I must click on publish?

L Lifeatthesharpend (talk) 14:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, "Publish changes" should be understood as "save", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". It used to say save, but was changed to emphasize that all edits are public(even to drafts). 331dot (talk) 14:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response. Also, 2nd question is this place a correct area to get feedback on a draft article? L Lifeatthesharpend (talk) 14:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lifeatthesharpend The Teahouse is a general forum for asking questions about using and editing the English Wikipedia. We do occasionally get asked to take a look at drafts but the better way to get a review for Draft:FlexLink is to hit the big blue button now at the top when you think it is ready. This puts it into the group of drafts awaiting acceptance or comments from experienced editors who can move it into the main encyclopaedia. At present, of course, your draft has no hope of acceptance as it cites no sources. Are you trying to write it backwards, a common mistake for newcomers? See that link for details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK thanks. Just asking. I'm currently not trying to have it accepted. I have just started it. Not sure what you mean by writing it backwards?

I did have a comment put on the draft. "Just blatant advertising so far". I'm not sure where this is coming from, why would this be seen as advertising?

The article is meant to publish the same as any other datalink similar to WiFi or ethernet. This is my first go around doing this kind of stuff. I'm actually surprised of that kind of hostility without any explanation or guidance to fix it. Lifeatthesharpend (talk) 15:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, one more thing. While I'm not looking to currently have it accepted. If anyone would like to mentor or give constructive feedback prior to submitting the draft. I could use all the help available. Lifeatthesharpend (talk) 15:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As to Not sure what you mean by writing it backwards?, please read the essay that I linked. Roughly speaking, it points out that you shouldn't write what you think you know and then seek references/sources that support what you have written. Instead, you should start by gathering sources and write in your own words a summary of what they say. The editor who wrote the comment about advertising is an experienced drafts reviewer. Another minor prblem is your use of bolding. Our manual of style prohibits that where you have used it for emphasis (see MOS:BOLD). Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is stemming from the open source specification located here: https://github.com/koliberEng/flexLinkSpecification. There is a video out as well about the datalink from dsp related online conference. The specification is also a part of a new book that Andreas Schwarzinger, his 3rd edition to "Digital Signal Processing in Modern Communications Systems" ISBN: 9780988873513 is going to publish once completed, possibly sometime this year. There will be references added to the article. I'm just getting started. As far at the editor who wrote the comment being experienced, he and also anyone here has not explained what he means and how to improve the article so that it does not seem like the what he commented as: "Just blatant advertising so far". What is the article advertising and how? How would it be fixed? What is the solution? Lifeatthesharpend (talk) 16:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From the link about backward article. I believe that this article is being written as forward, but I may be wrong. The problem as I see it is that there are almost no sources to FlexLink since it is an evolving standard. Not sure what to do other than just not have a wikipedia entry here until it gets adopted as a communications standard or method. Lifeatthesharpend (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's probably the best option at this point- it sounds like it is too soon for an article about it. 331dot (talk) 16:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There cannot be an article without references. A draft without changes is deleted after six months. David notMD (talk) 18:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:New user landing page

I'm not autoconfirmed on English Wikipedia yet. When I go to an article that doesn't exist, I see Wikipedia:New user landing page. When I click on the link that says "search", I'm redirected to Special:Search/Badtitle/Message. Obviously I'm not trying to search for the term "Badtitle/Message", so can someone fix this? Oholiba (talk) 16:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oholiba. It sounds like a different case of the same issue as phab:T380519, requiring a fix in the used MediaWiki software and not just a local message at the English Wikipedia. I will look into it later when I have better time. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah maybe. Oholiba (talk) 16:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, now I've become autoconfirmed, so I won't be able to test it anymore unfortunately. Someone will have to create a new account to test it. Oholiba (talk) 16:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Oholiba. You can turn "Display newcomer homepage" on and off in your user preferences (bottom of section "User Profile") ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, but that doesn't allow me to see Wikipedia:New user landing page when I go to an article that doesn't exist. Oholiba (talk) 17:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The MENU icon in top left of pages

The little MENU icon (3 rows of .---) in the upper left of pages is (after you scroll down enough), at best, annoying. However, the real PROBLEM is that in WINDOWS HIGH-CONTRAST MODE it simply appears as an empty black square and hides part of the content. I had no idea why the black square was there.

that it also hides content when not in high-contrast mode is also, IMHO, a problem. Jsp314159 (talk) 16:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Jsp314159, and welcome to the Teahouse. OK, I see what you mean: if the window is normal width (the width of my screen), I don't get this, but if I narrow it, the contents list for that page is replaced by the icon, that stays still when you scroll: and in a Contrast theme, the icon just displays as a box.

I thought there might be a User Preference to disable this option, but I can't find one.

Generally, questions about the user interface don't necessarily get helpful answers here: I suggest asking at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edits disjointed in heavily-edited article

I've been editing the 2024 South Korean martial law article, and some of my edits [2][3] seem to be disjointed with what I actually changed in the editor. In that first edit, I meant to change something from "parliament" to "National Assembly", and for the second one I was correcting some grammar in the International section. It seems like I somehow end up editing older versions of the article. On my end, I've had trouble publishing edits because changes are being made, so I've been switching from Edit to Read and switching back to Edit to try to refresh the page. Is there a better way? I do see that there's some way to manually reconcile an edit with other edits, but that brings me to the source editor and I'm afraid I'd just make things worse by using that Placeholderer (talk) 18:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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