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Simcha Jacobovici page

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Hi Ad Orientem,

First of all, I'd like to apologize for the edit warring on Simcha Jacobovici's page. I am relatively new to editing on Wikipedia and should have researched better ways to resolve the conflict.

I would like to state that I do have a conflict of interest. I have worked for Simcha for over 20 years. Having said this, I do believe it is an advantage as I know what is true and what is false on the page. I also don't believe that any of my edits were "vandalism". There is inaccurate information on the page that I was trying to correct.

I did try to contact GenoV84 on their talk page. I never received a response and only today did I notice that what I wrote has been removed. Hopefully you can help. If not, please point me in the direction I need to go to resolve this.

As for the edits that I was trying to make, originally there were three, but now I just need your help with two of them.

First change being the opening paragraph. I don't believe that pseudo-archeologist and pseudo-historian should be included here as this is just a matter of opinion and not fact. While some people don't agree with the conclusions in some of Simcha's films/shows[1][2] as cited i.e., the late Amos Kloner and Eric Cline, others do agree.[3][4].

One of the books that is cited against Simcha “The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls” edited by Professor James Charlesworth was the proceedings of a conference inspired by Simcha’s film! In its opening paragraph, Prof. Charlesworth says that the one topic for debate is “evaluating the Talpiot tomb in context” and the claim made “on the Discovery Channel that the tomb of Jesus, Mary Magdalene and their son had been recovered in Talpiot”[5]. The paper on “The Authenticity of the James Ossuary and its possible link to the ‘Jesus Family Tomb’” by Drs. Amnon Rosenfeld, Howard R. Feldman and Wolfgang E. Krumbein, concludes “that the James ossuary exhibits the same geo-chemical fingerprints as the Talpiot cave…adding this ossuary…to the cluster of names found in this tomb has a great statistical weight. It raises the calculated odds (Feuverger 2008) in a combined probability equation…from 1 in 1600 to a compelling level or certitude that it is really the historic holy family tomb”.[6] Other academics cited in the book spoke in a similar vain. Eldad Keynan concluded that Simcha’s thesis on the Talpiot tomb “cannot be totally dismissed as an option”[7] and Andrew V. Sills concluded that Simcha’s thesis “should be taken seriously and studied further”.[8] The list goes on.

It is unfair to cite two negative papers as if they are the objective truth, while ignoring the positive papers and the fact that the majority of scholars concluded that Simcha’s thesis needs further studies.

Having said this the original paragraph, before it was changed on May 28th, was based on facts:

Simcha Jacobovici (/ˈsɪmxə jəˈkoʊboʊvɪtʃ/; born April 4, 1953) is a Canadian–Israeli journalist,[9][10] documentary filmmaker[10] and New York Times best-selling author.[11]

I think this paragraph should replace what is currently there. I even tried to keep the pseudo-archeologist and pseudo-historian on the page under the "Controversies" section where I believe it is a better fit.

The second change I would like to make is the first paragraph under "Early Life". It states that Simcha's parents emigrated to Israel aboard the MV Struma. They were never aboard the ship. Nowhere in the referenced article does it say this and even the Wikipedia article on the MV Struma says that the ship was torpedoed while carrying the refugees and only one person, David Stoliar, survived. This is another change I tried to make but was reverted for "vandalism". (By the way, Simcha’s parents emigrated to Israel in 1948 and in 1952 on separate boats and obviously did not die on the Struma because they had two children, Simcha and his sister Sara).

As you can see from the above, I am not trying to vandalize the page. I am simply trying to make it as factually correct as possible while trying to keep everyones edits (fact based or opinion based) on the page.

Thank you for taking the time to read this very lengthy post and providing any help possible.

Naustin522 (talk) 20:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Naustin522
We do not determine what is and is not true. We repeat what is reported in reliable sources. If there is a difference of opinion in those sources it is noted while give due weight to the consensus position. Please see WP:TRUTH. You may propose any changes you wish to make on the article talk page where they can be reviewed and discussed by other editors. As I am involved here in my capacity as an administrator it would be inappropriate for me to take sides in a content dispute. You can also see WP:DR for helpful hints on handling disagreements with other editors. I will append a template to your user talk page with some useful links to our policies and guidelines as well as tips for constructive editing. Best regards...-Ad Orientem (talk) 21:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad OrientemThank you for your quick reply. I will go back to the article talk page and propose these changes there. Naustin522 (talk) 21:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Kloner, Amos; Gibson, Shimon (2013). "The Talpiot Tomb Reconsidered: The Archaeological Facts". In Charlesworth, James H. (ed.). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans. pp. 29–75. ISBN 978-0-8028-6745-2. LCCN 2013024836.
  2. ^ Cline, Eric H. (2009). "From Herod the Great to Jesus of Nazareth". Biblical Archaeology: A Very Short Introduction. New York: Oxford University Press. pp. 103–104. doi:10.1093/actrade/9780195342635.003.0010. ISBN 9780199365654. LCCN 2009006525.
  3. ^ "The Vindication Claim - Biblical Archaeology Society". Biblical Archaeology Society. January 16, 2008. Retrieved March 28, 2024.
  4. ^ "In-Depth Reading on the Talpiot "Jesus Family" Tomb". TaborBlog. February 20, 2017. Retrieved November 5, 2024.
  5. ^ Charlesworth, James H. (2013). "Preface: Contextualising the Search for Herod's and Jesus' Tomb". In Charlesworth, James H. (ed.). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans. pp. xviii. ISBN 978-0-8028-6745-2. LCCN 2013024836.
  6. ^ Rosenfeld, Amnon; Feldman, Howard R.; Krumbein, Wolfgang E. (2013). "The Authenticity of the James Ossuary and its possible link to the "Jesus Family Tomb"". In Charlesworth, James H. (ed.). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans. p. 347. ISBN 978-0-8028-6745-2. LCCN 2013024836.
  7. ^ Keynan, Eldad (2013). "The Holy Sepulcher, Court Tombs, and Talpiot Tomb in Light of Jewish Contemporary Law". In Charlesworth, James H. (ed.). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans. p. 433. ISBN 978-0-8028-6745-2. LCCN 2013024836.
  8. ^ Sills, Andrew V. (2013). "The Apostles and Brothers of Jesus". In Charlesworth, James H. (ed.). The Tomb of Jesus and His Family?: Exploring Ancient Jewish Tombs Near Jerusalem's Walls. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans. p. 443. ISBN 978-0-8028-6745-2. LCCN 2013024836.
  9. ^ Tatham, Phoebe. "Simcha Jacobovici – Biography - HELLO!". Hello Magazine. Retrieved April 10, 2024.
  10. ^ a b "Gordon Sinclair Award – Simcha Jacobovici – Academy.ca". January 17, 2017.
  11. ^ "BEST SELLERS: March 25, 2007". The New York Times. March 25, 2017. Retrieved November 5, 2024.

Naustin522 (talk) 20:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me...

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Why is it that everytime I report someone being transphobic, it's always you who comes out and declines to block? LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 06:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't comment on any specific previous report. But I do recall having declined a number of your reports for a variety of reasons. In this case, you are assuming bad faith on rather thin evidence. Not everybody is familiar with our guidelines at MOS:GENDERID and not everybody considers noting someone's birth name as ipso-facto evidence of bigotry. No warning was given, a frequent issue with your reports, nor any other effort made to communicate with the IP to explain how we do things here. I have left a message on their talk page with a link to the relevant guideline. If this is a recurring problem, re-report or drop a line here if you know I am online. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summary

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Hi, about a recent vandal IP that you blocked. Can this ES be purged (which used a highly offensive slur against me). Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 07:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gotitbro  Done -Ad Orientem (talk) 07:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Political positions of JD Vance

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Hi. As an uninvolved admin, can you ECP this page under CTOP as well? JD Vance#Political positions draws from it, and vandalism of a Nazi flag on the subarticle showed up on the main one. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu  Done -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weird question

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If you're not too busy with admin-ing, I'd like to ask you if you'd spare a minute to look over an article I've recently been improving with hopes of placing it in front of the next good article reviewer; Minecraft: The Story of Mojang. Recently, I've been asking editors whom I am relatively familiar with to look at stuff, so I thought, "hey, maybe I pester this one admin who I run into from time to time to once over my pet project" that I started working on maybe a month ago.

Also, if you're still reading this on November 11, happy Veterans Day, and otherwise, thank you for being that admin who I run into literally everywhere in contentious topics who helps make order of things. Truly, your work is appreciated! BarntToust 02:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BarntToust With the very large caveat that I know absolutely nothing about Minecraft, I will try and have a look when I have a few minutes. Thanks for the kind words. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad Orientem Hey, perfect pre-test; see if someone who isn't familiar with Minecraft can skim through and not be absolutely baffled by the article. You're just the sort of disinterested fellow I was looking for, actually! Thanks all again. BarntToust 13:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BarntToust Ok, I've taken a look and my impression is that this is a solid article. It's well written with links wherever someone might need something to be explained in more detail and the referencing is excellent. Honestly I am having a hard time finding anything to nit pick over. I think I saw a couple sentences in succession that started with the same word, "the" or "they." Good job. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for finding the time, and thank you for your appraisal! I'll look at the repetition of "the/they". Have a great one. BarntToust 18:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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