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November 30

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(Posted) Blurb: Death of George H W Bush

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Article: George H. W. Bush (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former U.S. President George H. W. Bush dies at the age of 94. (Post)
News source(s): NBC DFW AJC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 SounderBruce 04:56, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ever since the RD reform, it is no longer for things like this. Banedon (talk) 12:07, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What about read my lips no new taxes? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:40, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Simply not even remotely true. Stormy clouds (talk) 14:17, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post Posting Support for blurb US centristm is not always avoidable. When Mr. Bush entered office the US was one of two super-powers. When he left office, there was just one. His policies, especially in the Middle East, have hugely influenced the shape of the modern world. [Memory eternal]. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:21, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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 Done -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:46, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Anchorage earthquake

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Article: 2018 Anchorage earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A magnitude 7.0 earthquake hits Alaska, with the epicenter in Anchorage. Severe damage is reported. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Severe damage was reported after a major earthquake hit Anchorage, Alaska.
News source(s): "Largest Alaskan city rocked by big quake". 2018-11-30. Retrieved 2018-11-30.
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Article updated
 Seraphim System (talk) 20:39, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Seraphim System: - firstly, your support is implicit as nominator, so you should change your comment to differentiate it from a !vote. As to why the lack of casualties renders this minimal in relation to ITN, it is simple - no one died, the damage caused was far smaller than earthquakes of comparable scale. The buildings still stand because of solid engineering and architecture - that's great, fair play to them. It also dampens the impact of the incident greatly. "Something potentially bad happened, but it had a negligible impact because people had mitigated against it" is not a significant story, no matter what way you look at it, just as "man plots mass murder, police arrest man before anything happens" wouldn't make it to ITN. Some highways are damaged, and that is significant for the people of Anchorage. Quite simply, with small financial damage and no bodies, this is not a story with the impact needed for ITN. BY my count, the most recent earthquakes posted had 77, 134, and 34 deaths. This has none. Hence, it is not as important a story, and doesn't need a blurb, at least in my view. Stormy clouds (talk) 18:35, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, sorry, I left my crystal ball at home today. The infrastructure damage is significant. The last I heard from National Geographic is the USGS has predicted a 35% chance of damages between 100million and 1 billion. The aftershocks are still ongoing.Seraphim System (talk) 19:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Stormy. This story's appearance on Major Eng.-lang news sites yesterday (Nov. 30) was brief mainly due to the absence of fatalities, which in major earthquakes can number in the hundreds. Today it's no longer in the news internationally. Sca (talk) 23:31, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Today it's no longer in the news internationally. So? It's still being covered in the national press in the United States. You know what isn't? The World Chess Championships. So I guess ongoing coverage in the international press is not a particularly reliable indicator of whether or not an event is significant.Seraphim System (talk) 01:22, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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November 29

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  • Vietjet Air flight VJ 356 crashed upon landing at Buon Ma Thuot International Airport while carrying 207 passenger and crew. Six people were injured but all survived. (VnExpress)

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(Posted) RD: Richard Fulton

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Article: Richard Fulton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Tennessean
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Short, but I think enough is there. Death was announced on this date. - --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:51, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2018 G20 Buenos Aires summit

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Article: 2018 G20 Buenos Aires summit (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Ongoing News Seriousmoon
  • Perhaps it's time to change the policy then. Not only did we apparently post the election of the president of Ireland (a ceremonial post), which was a far less important event than this meeting, but even more importantly it's self-evident that G20 and its meeting are far more important than the summits of G7. Openlydialectic (talk) 10:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Elections for head of state are ITNR, and efforts to change that haven't really gone anywhere. This meeting is not ITNR, if you want to add it, you are welcome to attempt to do so. 331dot (talk) 10:56, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • We had G20 before - but basically hardly anything of import happens. Should a significant resolution like the Paris climate change agreement be announced and signed, then a statement on its closure about it can be nominated. --Masem (t) 15:32, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why, and according to who? Is something substantive expected to come out of it? 331dot (talk) 10:54, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
>"Why" Look at the countries presiding in G7 and compare them to countries presiding in G20. Hint: even China isn't in G7, let alone India, Russia or other big players. Such international juggernauts as Canada or Italy are, though. Also, compare the amount of attention even in the regular MSM, let alone specialized journals to summits of G7 and G20. >"according to who" To everyone who's follow the international affairs. >"Is something substantive expected to come out of it?" Possibly a (long term?) truce in the trade and cold wars with China. Openlydialectic (talk) 11:24, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Possibly" is not "expected". If something substantive does come out of it, that can be nominated. Otherwise this is just world leaders gathering to chat. Russia was in the G7(then 8) but was kicked out. 331dot (talk) 11:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
>"Possibly" is not "expected". And this is exactly why I didn't cite expectations in my argument for inclusion in the ITN. I only mentioned them because you asked me directly in the comment.
>"Russia was in the G7(then 8) but was kicked out" And? The argument was that we post meetings of G7 but not meetings of G20, which is strange because G20 is far more important by every conceivable measure I can come up with. Openlydialectic (talk) 11:38, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're probably right in theory, Openlydialectic, tho it doesn't follow that the G20 should be ITNR rather than that the G7 (and perhaps also APEC and World Fairs) should be removed from ITNR. There was a clear consensus for removing G20 just a year ago, so that probably won't change, but nobody then discussed either G7 or APEC or World Fairs, so you might propose removing any of those (and in the case of G7 you may well have an especially strong case because the 2011 discussion cited for its inclusion was for G8, not G7, tho I can't be sure how relevant that is). However the proper place for that discussion is the ITNR Talk page, not here. Tlhslobus (talk) 12:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Trump/Putin, Trump/Xi, May and whoever from the EU was invited, Macron and MBS ... this isn't your ordinary G20. As we know "Not being ITNR does not prevent this from being nominated at ITNC." Article is not comprehensive enough for main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:35, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This is an Ongoing nomination, meaning that there is expected to be incremental updates to the article. That doesn't seem likely in this case; we usually don't post meetings like this until they conclude or some sort of substantial development/agreement comes out of them- which would be a regular ITN nomination. 331dot (talk) 11:39, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Routine and uninteresting.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    As opposed to the G7 summits that are, as we all know, extraordinary and fascinating. Ehh, who am I arguing with... Openlydialectic (talk) 11:54, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for ongoing. If anything of note comes from it, post that, otherwise, nope. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:57, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Either Wait, or better still Close, leaving anyone sufficiently interested free to decide whether or not to Reopen (as a brand new nom) when we know what the results are (and thus what our blurb should be). These summits have always only been posted at the end. So having it open now is not just premature, it reduces its chances of success by prematurely piling up Oppose votes which are still liable to get counted by the assessing admin and others, as well as tending to deter people from working to improve the article by implying their efforts will be largely wasted. Tlhslobus (talk) 12:11, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Once the tree-hugging snowflake do-gooders get a good old beating at the hands of the security. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose ongoing as there are no ongoing substantial updates to the article, let alone events significant enough for ITN. Wait before considering a blurb, as that entirely depends what, if anything, is decided at the meeting. If there is a major international agreement with significant effects, maybe it would be worth posting. If the only result is the usual bland communique, it won't. Modest Genius talk 14:39, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – So far the only interesting thing about this G20 is the malfunction of Merkel's govt. plane, a VIP version of the A340. – Sca (talk) 15:21, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Doesn't make sense as an ongoing nomination. We should wait and see what the outcome is. Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this apparently isn't ITNR, and I don't see the point of posting this before the summit happens. If anything important happens we can re-consider this on Sunday with a different blurb. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:47, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Eldon George

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Article: Eldon George (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian amateur geologist. Article could use a bit of a polish but looks to be acceptable - Dumelow (talk) 19:35, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Georgian presidential election, 2018

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Article: Georgian presidential election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Salome Zurabishvili has won Georgia's presidential election, becoming the first woman to hold the office in the country. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Salome Zurabishvili, a French-born Georgian politician, has won Georgia's presidential election, becoming the first woman to hold the office in this parliamentary republic.
News source(s): BBC
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The article does not have prose. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose has not yet been updated sufficiently --DannyS712 (talk) 05:34, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per notability The presidency is a ceremonial post in that country. Georgia is a small country of just 3.5 million people. It's also a post-soviet country so women rights there are not as bad as in most other third world countries, so the election of a woman is not that surprising. The blurb is misleading, other women held the title of interim president (back when it was not a ceremonial post btw) on two occasions. Oh, and speaking of surprising, her victory was predicted from the start since, despite technically running independent, she had full support of the Georgia's rulling party, which in turn is both popular in Georgia and had all the means of the "administrative resource" to ensure her victory. tl;dr I don't see anything ITN-worthy here Openlydialectic (talk) 16:05, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Irish president blurb was posted recently. That is a largely ceremonial post. Hrodvarsson (talk) 01:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
New head of state in a sizeable and geographically strategic country − ITNR. Sca (talk) 21:50, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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November 28

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  • War in Afghanistan (2001–2021)
    • A series of U.S. airstrikes kills at least 30 Afghan civilians, including 16 children, in Garmsir District, Helmand Province. Additional civilians were left injured or buried in the rubble. The target of the strikes was a suspected Taliban compound. The United States' strategy aims to push the Taliban into talks. (Reuters)
    • At least 10 people are killed and 19 are wounded in an attack on a compound of the G4S security contracting company in the Afghan capital Kabul. The Taliban's strategy seeks to strengthen its position before any formal negotiations. (Al Jazeera)

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(Closed) Kartarpur Corridor

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Article: Kartarpur Corridor (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A corridor between India and Pakistan is established for Indian Sikh pilgrims to visit Gurdwara Darbar Sahib Kartarpur. (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: It was compared to the falling of the Berlin Wall. Breakfastisready (talk) 21:14, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Removed) Remove ongoing: 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis

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Article: 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: A story which was barely in the news is no longer in the news, article isn't getting may updates beyond fixing vandals. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Remove ongoing: 2018 California wildfires

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Article: 2018 California wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Proposed to remove from ongoing section. The major fires are shown as 100% contained. The three remaining fires listed are comparatively very small and look to be in a rural location. I haven't seen any new stories on this for a little while - Dumelow (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Lulu and Nana

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Article: Lulu and Nana (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Chinese scientist claims to have created the world's first genetically edited babies. (Post)
Alternative blurb: He Jiankui, a Chinese bioengineer, claims to have created the world's first genetically edited babies.
Alternative blurb II: ​ China suspends scientist He Jiankui after he claimed to have engineered the birth of the first genetically edited babies Lulu and Nana.
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Far shot for main page, in the news for the wrong reasons but still in the news. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:58, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "claims"; "His work, which he announced earlier this week, has not been verified."; "Prof He's university - the Southern University of Science and Technology in Shenzhen - said it was unaware of the research project and would launch an investigation." So, we're not actually even sure if this is a true story or not. Oppose, at least until such time as it's actually confirmed. 88.215.17.228 (talk) 11:45, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support The blurb should be rephrased to critically emphasise the unconfirmed and unreviewed nature of the claim. But otherwise it's good to go, because if it's true (and it increasingly sounds to be true), this is a huge (and extremely dangerous) step not just for our society, but for humanity and it's future in general Openlydialectic (talk) 12:03, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Definitely notable enough if it has occurred, but I feel we need some better verification. Not necessarily peer reviewed as that could take a while, but enough to reduce the lingering doubt. Confirmation from the university would do it for me. If published I would add germline to the blurb as that is the key here, somatic cells have been targeted for a little while now. Germline opens up a whole set of potentials and risks. AIRcorn (talk) 21:58, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. For scientific news, this definitely needs verification contrary to the supports saying it's enough so far. Things like major medical organizations confirming it actually happened for one (to use an example from above, NASA reporting that their lander made it on to Mars). This may not be the case for other news, but WP:MEDPOP is pretty clear on why science news needs a higher bar compared to other things that might come up for an In the news candidate. I'd have no prejudice against considering this when more information is out there though. Kingofaces43 (talk) 22:52, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now I think this event is not enough for SCIENCE NEWS for now since more scientific approach has not come and the event may revert greatly.Mariogoods (talk) 05:16, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Let's break it down: 1. If he did it, we post. 2. If he didn't, we don't post. 3. We're not sure, so we... post it? Get a grip. ghost 15:53, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alternative blurb: China suspends the scientist He Jiankui who claims to have engineered the birth of Lulu and Nana, the first genetically edited babies. STSC (talk) 21:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Arguably that is the verified story here - the controversy over this announcement (whether it was successfully or scientifically validated or not) and to that end, that's possibly more interesting. But I think that we've have to change the article's focus and organization to be better suited for that. --Masem (t) 21:20, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Harry Leslie Smith

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Article: Harry Leslie Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World War II veteran and political activist. Article looks in excellent shape. yorkshiresky (talk) 09:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Dumelow (talk) 10:46, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) World Chess Championship

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Article: World Chess Championship 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Magnus Carlsen wins the World Chess Championship 2018 on tiebreaks after a record 100% draws. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Magnus Carlsen defeats Fabiano Caruana to retain the World Chess Championship title.
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The strongest (on paper) human chess game since 1971 (when the world chess federation started having a strength rating system (extremely mathematical one too)) was 2825+'s playing each other. 6 years later in this match we got to see 2832+'s play each other which is pretty high since these 2 men and Kasparov are the only humans who have been this strong and only for a few weeks of this year and 61 days of 2014 has there been more than 1 at the same time. This is kind of trivia though, probably more interesting is 0 wins 12 draws: there's been c. 52 world championship matches and they've always had at least 2 games not drawn and <87% draws. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:02, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Ed Pastor

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Article: Ed Pastor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AZ Central
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Not long, but not bad either. Needs a few more sources Should be sourced enough. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:05, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: V. K. Rao

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Article: V. K. Rao (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian civil servant. I have improved the article formatting a bit, the content looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 16:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Jean Barker, Baroness Trumpington

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Article: Jean Barker, Baroness Trumpington (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/26/baroness-trumpington-bletchley-park-code-breaker-dies-age-96/
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 KTC (talk) 00:02, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Trial of 6ix9ine
    • American rapper 6ix9ine pleads not guilty to racketeering and firearms charges and is denied bail as his trial date is set for September 4, 2019. (Fox News)
  • A court in Milan, Italy, examines evidence submitted by the campaign group Global Witness, that alleges bribery around the attribution of the OPL 245 oil prospecting license in 2011 led to a loss for the Nigerian state estimated at US$6 billion. (BBC)

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(Posted) RD: Stephen Hillenburg

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Article: Stephen Hillenburg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  SpongeBob SquarePants creator Stephen Hillenburg dies of Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis at the age of 57. (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo!
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Creator of Spongebob Squarepants cartoon character and series. StrikerforceTalk 17:47, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) InSight lands on Mars

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Article: InSight (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: NASA's InSight lander successfully lands on Mars (artist's rendition pictured). (Post)
News source(s): Space.com time cosmos NASA, AP, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 DannyS712 (talk) 20:05, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Matthew Hedges

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Article: Matthew Hedges (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Briton Matthew Hedges is pardoned after being jailed for spying in the United Arab Emirates (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian
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Nominator's comments: The case has had worldwide coverage Joseph2302 (talk) 19:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wait a minute - are you trying to say the whole thing is a joke?! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:15, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Whilst this gained some media attention, the conviction led to immediate diplomatic and academic protests; in response Hedges was quickly pardoned. He's now been released and is back in the UK. This turned out to be a flash-in-the-pan incident; highly stressful for those concerned but now resolved with little long-term impact. Modest Genius talk 14:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Limited lasting impact. This was recently created, so this may be eligible for DYK. SpencerT•C 14:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Bernardo Bertolucci

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Article: Bernardo Bertolucci (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The usual referencing issues with these entertainment BLPs. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say that he deserves a blurb, but this is reddit wikipedia ofcourse and he didn't write comic books, so I guess proposing one is useless anyways. Openlydialectic (talk) 13:54, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How unhelpful. But feel free to nominate a blurb. His death has already moved off the BBC News homepage. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:57, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If we only posted what caught the BBC's attention our ITN feed would be filled with news about pop singers and evil chinese. Openlydialectic (talk) 14:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you say so. But this is a meaningless thread here and now, so feel free to make your proposed death blurb and/or propose a shift in ITN inclusion criteria on the talk page. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:10, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm open to it if you can you provide any citation from reputable sources that name him in the top five living directors. I went fishing [3][4][5] but couldn't find him in the top 40. ghost 14:27, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. I wonder if Tarkovsky belonged to "TOP 5 best directors alive by TMZ" back when he died. Besides, Bertolucci has stopped working on movies many years ago. Openlydialectic (talk) 22:04, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Just for the record, one of Openlydialectics past oppose rationales was "it's Sweden, it's[sic] politics is irrelevant". Yet it is apparently a huge deal to them that an, at most slightly above, ordinary director (going by the list from GCG above) does not get a blurb propsed in the very first comment while a transormative figure in another field, comic books, did get a blurb? To each their own i guess. Death blurbs are influenced by pop-culture to a degree anyway, looking at Carrie Fisher for example(who really was not even second rate in her field, as much as i love the original Star Wars films) So, really not unprecedented for pop-culture figures to get posted. But Stan Lee at least was a transformative figure in his field. Was Bernardo Bertolucci a transformative figure in the world of cinema or at the very least a towering figure amongst his peers? 91.97.240.14 (talk) 15:01, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Cute. Feel free to log in so we know which regular is trolling ITN this time. 162.249.177.146 (talk) 23:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And who are you to accuse a spotless IP of trolling? Wakari07 (talk) 20:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I just removed two paragraphs with blog-level info containing the last "citation needed" tag. I don't see the quality problem. Has been called the last maestro of Italian cinema [6], since Pasolini, Visconti, Rossellini, Fellini and Antonioni all died earlier. Known for The Last Emperor (9 Oscars, 6th in all-time list; number 3 in the top number-of-Oscar-winning living directors list after Peter Jackson and James Cameron), 1900, Last Tango in Paris, Little Buddha just to name a few. Oh, and The Conformist (1970 film) still gets 98% on the Rotten Tomatometer... [7] Wakari07 (talk) 20:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Last Emperor a truly beautiful film. I would agree with you he deserves posting on Main page. What real quality issues remain? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nine paragraphs lacking a single reference, unreferenced awards, unreferenced filmography. Stephen 23:24, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 106th Grey Cup

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Article: 106th Grey Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Canadian football, the Calgary Stampeders defeat the Ottawa Redblacks to win the 106th Grey Cup. (Post)
News source(s): CBC
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR. Article requires a play-by-play of the game itself but otherwise is of sufficient standard for ITN, especially in comparison to previous years' articles. PlasmaTwa2 08:43, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't matter, only the bold linked article is required to be of a high standard. Modest Genius talk 13:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Ward dab is taken care of, but I don't understand what you mean with your second point. The scoring summary is in-line with previous Grey Cup and Super Bowl articles. Not sure how it is supposed to be any clearer who those names refer to. --PlasmaTwa2 00:40, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I just normally think that when people use abbreviations, they should at least explain what they mean. If you don't, that's fine, but not everyone on planet Earth will get CGY and OTT. The latter usually just means "over the top". If you don't think that clarifying abbreviations is useful, that's just fine, but it's on you. The Rambling Man (talk) 00:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Given the context of their use in the article I think it's pretty clear what the two abbreviations refer to. I trust people won't be confused by it given it hasn't come up in the past. I believe this article is ready to be posted. --PlasmaTwa2 00:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all, there's no "context" because the abbreviations aren't defined. I trust you'll address that. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:07, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see you went and added the abbreviations yourself, as well as added several notes about missing citations (which I have added). I appreciate your assistance in getting the article ready for posting. --PlasmaTwa2 01:33, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, I fitted it in between going through my dead grandfather's effects, because I wasn't getting any traction with you. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Russians attack and seize Ukrainian ships

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Article: 2018 Kerch Strait incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In violation of the international sea law, Russian forces attack Ukrainian ships in the neutral waters, wounding six, and take their personnel captive. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Russian forces seize three Ukrainian ships in the disputed Kerch Strait near Crimea.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko declares martial law after Russian forces seize three Ukrainian ships in the disputed Kerch Strait near Crimea.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko declares martial law after Russian forces seize three Ukrainian ships in the disputed waters of Kerch Strait near annexed Crimea.
News source(s): Kyiv Post, BBC
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Nominator's comments: Ukraine has just mobilized and introduced martial law. Possibility of a full-scale russian invasion has never been this high since 2014 Openlydialectic (talk) 07:14, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Orange tagged. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The first sentence of the blurb, as well as "neutral waters" and the link to "piracy", seems very POV. I know I risk being called a Russian bot but I think this is Wikipedia so NPOV is very important, even if Russia looks very likely be invading. I suggest be more precise on where the Russian ships seized the Ukrainian ones. -- Patrickov (talk) 07:58, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Patrickov: The entire blurb is only one sentence, and the first phrase is literally true. They attacked it in the neutral waters, and that's a violation of the rules-based international order. Although seeing how I am talking to a person who's own profile page on Wikipedia states "Oh yes, I should have told you that I'm no Russian, and instead I'm from Hong Kong." I should probably just not bother. Openlydialectic (talk) 08:01, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have added link to the BBC article which seems far more neutral than the one-sided one published by Kyiv Post, and the blurb should be re-worked accordingly. The accusation from Russia that the Ukrainian ships have illegally entered their waters can not be omitted. The escalation of the tensions in the follow-up of the incident has reportedly resulted in protests in front of the Russian embassy in Kiev. My opinion on this is to wait for some time and see how it is going to develop, as it seems the escalation of the tensions will not end here.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:10, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP is neutral, not bipartisan. The accusation from Russia should be omitted if it's spurious; Russia has no territorial waters in the area. ghost 14:15, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia shoud be neutral but the blurb is clearly not. If you carefully look at what the media have published about this incident, you will certainly find bipartisan versions of the same story with mutual accusations. The lack of impartial information on what really happened gives this no chance to go on the main page unless it evolves into something more severe.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:55, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The article is basically incomprehensible at this point. It needs not to be written in gibberish before being posted. On a biased sidenote, editors should not forget that many claim this incident to be a political stunt by Poroshenko before the elections. For example, Ukrainians fully believe they have been engaged in an open war with Russia for the last 4 years (see link) - even though it is not reflected on this Wikipedia in such terms. It is a crazy land where outsiders might easily make false judgements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adûnâi (talkcontribs) 12:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Adûnâi, can you provide a quote form the article you've linked that says: .. [Ukraine] have been engaged in an open war with Russia? The first line of that article literally says: .. Russian direct and indirect use of force against Ukraine. The article's title even not saying there's an open war, it says about aggression. --VoidWanderer (talk) 17:50, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Article needs extensive editing – for example, president is spelled "preisdent" – and anyway incident seems to be an ongoing polemical political pageant. Unsee any reports of casualties. Sca (talk) 14:32, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This needs a lot more background information. Crimea (and its annexation by Russia) is central to this story here but was not mentioned until I added a couple lines. We shouldn't presume readers are 100% on international events and need to drop these blue links for context. --Masem (t) 15:03, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Russian forces seized Ukrainian ships and personnel in the disputed Kerch Strait near annexed Crimea.

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November 25

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Disasters and accidents
  • At least 21 people have died, 180 have been injured and tens of thousands have been displaced by heavy rains that have affected Iraq. (Times Now)
  • A 6.3 magnitude earthquake strikes near Sarpol-e Zahab, Iran, and close to the Iraqi border. A person died in Iraq while more than 700 others are injured. (BBC)
  • Camp Fire
    • Two more bodies are found in Paradise and one in nearby Magalia, raising the death toll to 85. Another 249 people are still missing. (CNN)
  • The chemical spill accident in Quangang District, Quanzhou, China on November 4 is found to be 10 times worse than initially reported. According to the government of Quanzhou, the actual leak of C9 aromatics was 69.1 tonnes instead of 6.97 tonnes understated by the Fujian Donggang Petrochemical Company. Several officials of Quangang District have been suspended from their posts and seven company employees have been arrested by the police in connection with the cover-up. (Global Times)

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(Posted) RD: Abba Kyari

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Article: Abba Kyari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Nigerian general and state governor. I added a little to the article but it is in reasonable shape - Dumelow (talk) 16:45, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Formula One World Championship

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Article: 2018 Formula One World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Lewis Hamilton (pictured) wins the Formula One World Drivers' Championship and Mercedes secures the Constructors' Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, the Formula One season concludes with Lewis Hamilton (pictured) winning the Drivers' Championship and Mercedes the Constructors' title.
News source(s): BBC, Sky
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Nominated now that the season is over in accordance with previous year's consensus that blurb is posted after the season ends and not earlier when the winner has been decided mathematically. KTC (talk) 18:31, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2018 Taiwanese referendums

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Article: 2018 Taiwanese referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the 2018 Taiwanese referendum, voters reject the legalisation of same-sex marriage. (Post)
News source(s): [8]
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Landmark referendum on the legalisation of gay marriage in Taiwan R.O.C. fails to pass  (talk) 09:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - No blurb. No pass. No significance. Sherenk1 (talk) 13:11, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose From what I read there's two potential stories here but neither is ITN appropriate. One is that there as a referendum to legalize gay marriage, but that failed to pass [9]. As such, status quo there (and even if it did, it's certainly not first to the party, to speak of, also making it questionable). The second appears to be a result from local elections along this referendum, which the controlling political party, the DPP, lost a lost of local seats, but this was not a national election. [10] We dont usually post local general elections, so I don't see this facet also being appropriate for ITN. --Masem (t) 15:41, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe if legalising same sex marriage had passed, it would had been the first in Asia. -- KTC (talk) 18:38, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, India was earlier this year. Stephen 23:12, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"India does not recognise same-sex marriage or civil unions." Howard the Duck (talk) 23:52, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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November 24

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(Closed) RD: Ambareesh

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Article: Ambareesh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable Kannada actor and politician. 117.213.162.12 (talk) 15:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) ICC Women's World Twenty20

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Article: 2018 ICC Women's World Twenty20 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, Australia defeat England in the ICC Women's World Twenty20 final to lift fourth title. (Post)
News source(s): ESPNcricinfo
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: The men's T20 tournament is ITNR. The Donkey King (talk) 12:41, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's not true, as I updated it myself about 10hrs before this comment. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:55, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Ricky Jay

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Article: Ricky Jay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American magician and actor. Referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 08:54, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Ray Hill

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Article: Ray Hill (activist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chron and Houston Chronicle
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Well known gay rights activist, subject of a supreme court case, article has been updated DannyS712 (talk) 01:21, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Susmuffin: That was for a DYK blurb. The RD criteria don't prohibit listing him as a recent death. --DannyS712 (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Nicolas Roeg

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Article: Nicolas Roeg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46329949
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 KTC (talk) 14:09, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Mary Kom

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Article: Mary Kom (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Mary Kom becomes the most successful woman in boxing history by winning her sixth world title at the AIBA World Boxing Championships. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mary Kom becomes the first woman to win six gold medals at the AIBA World Boxing Championships.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Indian boxer Mary Kom becomes the first woman to win six gold medals at the AIBA World Boxing Championships.
News source(s): The Indian Express, The Times of India and ESPN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I am not sure whether it is better to tag Mary Kom as the main article here or the 2018 AIBA Women's World Boxing Championships. Also I am not sure if this article could be linked or not here - AIBA World Boxing Championships.  DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 06:31, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Sherenk1: Which citation issues would you be talking about in Mary Kom? PLease give one two pointers and I will understand... DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 14:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Sherenk1: I have made a few fixes to Mary Kom and the other highlighted article AIBA World Boxing Championships. Citations seem to be ok to me with a cursory glance in Mary Kom. Please do let me know what the problems are, this entry going stale for weak reasons would be disappointing. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Susmuffin: When you say 'this' article, are you talking about Mary Kom?DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 14:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DiplomatTesterMan: That was my intent, yes. Also, the other article has been tagged. ―Susmuffin Talk 15:20, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Susmuffin: Please give one or two examples where inline citations needs to be put in Mary Kom. That is the main ITN. I am working on the other one too just now, AIBA World Boxing Championships. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:24, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Susmuffin: What do you mean by tagged? It was tagged in ITN or you are saying the other tagged article needs editing? Which one? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Susmuffin: Mary Kom has over 70 inline citations. Please do let me know what you mean when you say the article doesn't have enough inline citations. I don't want this entry to go stale for no good reasons. Cheers. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DiplomatTesterMan: There are still a few "citation needed" tags in the Mary Kom article. Also, the "Awards and recognition" section does list a few awards that lack sources. When I was talking about the "tag" in the AIBA World Boxing Championship page, I was taking about the orange tag that was at the top of the page. ―Susmuffin Talk 21:03, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Susmuffin: Thanks for pointing out the citation needed tags. There were 4 of them, I have replaced them with reliable sources. The tag in the AIBA page was for weight categories. After adding the weight categories I removed the tag. So that's sorted too. Now just seeing what to do with the "awards and recognition" section on the Mary Kom page. I think you are mainly taking reference to the National Awards.... since all the international ones are referenced throughout the article. For the national awards, should I just removed the awards for which I can't find any good sources? What do you say? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 12:10, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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November 23

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(Closed) RD: Mick McGeough

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Article: Mick McGeough (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): nhl
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Recent death, has been updated DannyS712 (talk) 01:01, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Bob McNair

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Article: Bob McNair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Completely shattered NFL financial/valuation dynamcis with the purchase of the Texans franchise in '99. Lihaas (talk) 04:37, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Raed Fares (activist)

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Article: Raed Fares (activist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Syrian radio journalist. Article was recently created. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:02, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Betty Bumpers

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Article: Betty Bumpers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Arkansas Online
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well sourced and updated article --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2018 Orakzai bombing

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Article: 2018 Orakzai bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A bomb blast in Kalaya, Orakzai District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan kills at least 33 people. (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: A significant loss of life, although the article is currently still a stub -- Tavix (talk) 23:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2018 Karachi Chinese consulate attack

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Article: 2018 Karachi Chinese consulate attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An attack on the Chinese consulate in Karachi, Pakistan kills four people. (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Great significance to international and domestic Pakistan situation ☆ Bri (talk) 02:23, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose purely on quality; there isn't sufficient information to even assess importance yet. We may need to wait until "likely unconnected" is more certain in other sources. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:58, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

November 22

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Arts and culture
  • The Leaning Tower of Pisa Surveillance Group reports the structure is leaning less, by 4 cm (1.6 in) over the past two decades. (BBC)

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime
  • 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats
    • An Israeli-American man, Michael Kadar, is sentenced to 10 years in prison in Israel for making 2,000 hoax bomb threats that forced evacuations of Jewish community centers in the United States. The threats, made by phone and email in 2016 and 2017, raised concern that antisemitism was on the rise in the United States. (Reuters)
  • Chinese state media report that five people are killed and 18 others are injured after a car plowed into children outside a primary school in Huludao, Liaoning, China. (Toronto Star)
  • Me Too movement in South Korea
    • Lee Jae-rock, a South Korean pastor and leader of Manmin Central Church, is sentenced to 15 years in prison over 42 counts of sexual harassment and sexual assault against eight of his followers. According to the Seoul Central District Court, the victims could not resist his advances "due to their absolute faith in the infallibility of the accused." (CNN)

Science and technology

Sports

(Posted) RD: Willie Naulls

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Article: Willie Naulls (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died Nov. 22, but only reported on Nov. 25. African-American basketball player was a four-time NBA All-Star and credited with being the first black captain of a professional team in a major American sport. Also a member of the first all-black starting lineup in NBA history. —Bagumba (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) CIA/Jamal Khashoggi wiretap

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Article: Killing of Jamal Khashoggi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ CIA possesses record of wiretapped phone call between MBS and KBS giving the order to silence Jamal Khashoggi as soon as possible (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Article needs updating
 Count Iblis (talk) 18:10, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Fahmida Riaz

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Article: Fahmida Riaz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: I hope this isn't stale just yet. The Donkey King (talk) 13:36, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jose Peralta

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Article: Jose Peralta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: US politician. Article looks to be in pretty decent shape - Dumelow (talk) 18:44, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Olivia Hooker

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Article: Olivia Hooker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.npr.org/2018/11/22/670228544/olivia-hooker-tulsa-race-riot-survivor-dies-at-103
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Fully sourced MurielMary (talk) 11:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Igor Korobov

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Article: Igor Korobov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Russian military intelligence chief. Short article but referenced. May need to be expanded. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:41, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Angelica Cob-Baehler

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Article: Angelica Cob-Baehler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Well sourced and updated article --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kim Jong Yang election as Interpol president

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Article: Kim Jong Yang (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Interpol has elected South Korean Kim Jong-yang as its president (Post)
Alternative blurb: Kim Jong Yang is elected president of Interpol
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Article is a stub. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Historical footnote: During WWII, presidents of Interpol included such sterling characters as Heydrich and Kaltenbrunner. – Sca (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly has become one of the most over-used words in the English language. Sca (talk) 18:44, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose not convinced this is sufficiently notable. The organization isn't that big (756 employees in 2013) and the position is largely ceremonial. That this made the news this time is because of the political dimension, which isn't insignificant, but doesn't seem enough to override the afore-mentioned problems. Banedon (talk) 22:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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November 20

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2018 Brussels stabbing attack

  • A policeman is stabbed near the Grand Place in Brussels historic centre by a man carrying two small kitchen knives. The attacker is shot in the chest and in a critical condition while the policeman suffers non-life threatening injuries. (ABCNEWS)

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(Closed) RD: James H. Billington

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Article: James H. Billington (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/obituaries/james-billington-dead.html
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Librarian of Congress and historian Gamaliel (talk) 20:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Large amount of unreferenced stuff in this one - whole sections completely without inline citations. Should it be bothering me that some of the references are themselves from the LoC itself's own website? I seem to remember something about primary sources... Challenger l (talk) 15:08, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Nikola Gruevski asylum case

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Article: Nikola Gruevski (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Macedonian prime minister Nikola Gruevski is granted asylum in Hungary. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I think the granting of asylum of a former head of government is notable enough to warrant an inclusion. Article need a few more citations but other than that looks good to go. EternalNomad (talk) 19:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Africa's First High-Speed Train

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Article: Kenitra–Tangier high-speed rail line (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Africa's first high-speed rail line was inaugurated by King Mohammed VI of Morocco (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Africa's first high-speed rail line was inaugurated by King Mohammed VI of Morocco.
News source(s): (CNN) (REUTERS) (AllAfrica)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is a significant milestone in terms of development for a continent that has seen rapid infrastructure development over the past decade but never a high speed rail line. Monopoly31121993(2) (talk) 13:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rather nice story. Support. --Tone 15:10, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I want to support this (broadly that the topic is the type of ITN interest) but have questions exactly why this date: Nov 16 seems to be the date the line was inaugurated, and I can't tell if they have actually opened the line for passengers (not testing). Further, the article needs a bunch of tense adjustments since the construction is now all in the past. --Masem (t) 15:21, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is not updated sufficiently. Kenitra–Tangier high-speed rail line contains no information since December 2010 in the body of the article. The lead contains a bare sentence that just says it was completed in 2018. Needs some expansion work on the building and opening of the line in order to be main page ready. Presumably, the news sources reported about the opening itself, ceremonies, the first train leaving, etc. etc. Find those sources, expand the article, and then we can post this on the main page. --Jayron32 15:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Change to full support without reservations. Great job on the article improvements. There is no problem with this appearing on the main page now.--Jayron32 04:32, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Jayron. Article is far too thin for such a major undertaking. "The project was completed in 2018" – This sentence, offered twice, doesn't constitute a sufficient update. Sca (talk) 15:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality - "construction underway"... on the first segment... "It was completed in 2018". The blurb isn't even in the article! I can't update sources with a smart phone, but the 3 refs above can add plenty of updates, along with a tense change as needed. - Floydian τ ¢ 18:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support per Tone but I feel like this is the wrong date also (and it should be 15 November, per the article). Banedon (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response - I've updated the article. The lead should be a lot clearer. I also added a list of stations, clarified the scope of the project, services offered and projected, costs and international partners.Monopoly31121993(2) (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to this source, the ceremonial opening was all that took place, and regular service has not begun, but is scheduled to before the end of the year. It would probably make more sense to wait until then to post it, with hopefully a better article, especially because the ceremony having taken place on the 15th makes it older than the current oldest story on the main page. The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 01:21, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But when that happens it will be argued that it should have been posted now, and/or that it's no longer in the news, or basically stale, etc.Tlhslobus (talk) 03:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That may be true, although I doubt it, since opposition is mainly based on article quality. But I don't think the article is even eligible to be posted at this point since events are posted chronologically and there is no longer room for it on the template, so any discussion at this point is pretty much moot. The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 03:51, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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November 19

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(Closed) First ship commissioned for the Kenyan Coast Guard

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Article: Kenya Coast Guard Service (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The first ship of the Kenya Coast Guard Service is commissioned (Post)
News source(s): (Kenya Standard) (BBC)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: The Coast Guard was brought into being on 22 October 2018 but the first ship was commissioned on 19 November. Perhaps not the biggest of stories but I found it interesting. Dumelow (talk) 10:58, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn Thanks for the feedback all. I've expanded it a bit and stuck it into DYK - Dumelow (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Larry Pickering

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Article: Larry Pickering (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Controversial Australian cartoonist. Article is fully referenced - Dumelow (talk) 10:23, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerry O'Malley

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Article: Gerry O'Malley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Province
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is short, but well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:25, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Alí Rodríguez Araque

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Article: Alí Rodríguez Araque (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Nacional
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Venezuelan politician and diplomat. Died while in office, he was the current ambassador of Venezuela to Cuba. Jamez42 (talk) 09:00, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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November 18

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Armed conflicts and attacks
  • Boko Haram fighters loyal to ISIS attacked a military base in the Nigerian town of Metele, killing at least 118 soldiers while at least 153 others were missing after the attack, the militants also seized tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, weapons, and ammunition (Reuters)
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(Posted) RD: Peter Peryer

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Article: Peter Peryer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: New Zealand photographer. Article perhaps needs a little attention but I think it's good enough to post - Dumelow (talk) 10:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Héctor Beltrán Leyva

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Article: Héctor Beltrán Leyva (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican drug lord. Article in reasonably good shape - Dumelow (talk) 10:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series

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Article: 2018 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In auto racing, Joey Logano wins the 2018 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In auto racing, Joey Logano wins the NASCAR Cup Series championship.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In stock car racing, Joey Logano wins the NASCAR Cup Series.
News source(s): Motor Racing Network, USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Dough4872 00:55, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • I know its formally called that title, but given that the sponsorship of the event has changed, but otherwise is the "NASCAR Cup Series", I'd rather see us drop the forced commercial if we can. --Masem (t) 01:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is in fine shape, prose summaries of races are sufficient, everything is well referenced. Prefer Altblurb for the same reasons noted above. The year is obvious (cuz we're in that year) and the sponsorship is ephemeral and inconsequential. This is the NASCAR Cup championship, and any additional text is unneeded here. --Jayron32 03:38, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost ready. The race reports look good, but the 'changes' section is largely unreferenced, as are several of the tables. Modest Genius talk 11:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Added another altblurb, which specifies the type of racing and avoids WP:COMMONALITY problems. Modest Genius talk 12:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jennie Stoller

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Article: Jennie Stoller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2018/nov/18/jennie-stoller-obituary
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fully sourced. MurielMary (talk) 09:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

November 17

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(Closed) RD: Jerry Frankel

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Article: Jerry Frankel (producer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Tony Award-winning musical theatre producer, thoroughbred breeder and owner. Zigzig20s (talk) 10:16, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) George III's health

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Article: George III of the United Kingdom (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The mystery of George III’s illness has been plaguing historians for centuries. With the release of these records, the mystery has been laid to rest. (Post)
News source(s): People.com
Credits:

May somebody please help me with the format. Here is the link to my source. https://people.com/royals/palace-releases-hamilton-king-george-iiis-mental-health-records/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainAhab1841 (talkcontribs)

  • I think you're misunderstanding this story (the People headline is misleading, so it's their fault rather than yours). We've known for decades that his condition was Porphyria, as it's a hereditary condition and the genetic markers appear in his descendants; what was published last week was the details of the treatments that were tried. This is a non-story. ‑ Iridescent 22:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • George III's health I've heard rumors that he is not well. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Alyque Padamsee

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Article: Alyque Padamsee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian Ad film maker. Referncing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 14:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Richard Baker

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Article: Richard Baker (broadcaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent broadcaster Andrew D. (talk) 13:06, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) San Juan submarine wreckage

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Articles: ARA San Juan (S-42) (talk · history · tag) and Disappearance of ARA San Juan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The wreckage of Argentinian submarine San Juan, which disappeared in 2017, is found in the Atlantic Ocean. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Spiegel (in German)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Update is raw, should be expanded. Brandmeistertalk 08:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Portrait of an Artist (Pool with Two Figures)

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Article: Portrait of an Artist (Pool with Two Figures) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: David Hockney's Portrait of an Artist (Pool with Two Figures) sells for more than $90 million, becoming the most expensive auction work by a living artist. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Nominating Portrait of an Artist (Pool with Two Figures), David Hockney's 1972 painting which just sold for $90.3 million dollars, setting the record for a sale of a work by a living artist. (my first visit to this page) Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, fair use does not extend to the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a logical reason for that? (Presumably that also means it could never appear at TFA). Would an image of Hockney be suitable instead (except that we don't have one, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Per the Foundation's requirement to keep fair-use to a minimum, fair-use is only allowed in article space (WP:NFCC#9). This has been the case for many years. It's unfortunate we don't have a free image of Hockney, but he has been a very private person for a long time, so I suppose it's not surprising. Black Kite (talk) 15:22, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Martinevans123 and I can buy/beg/steal a box of crayons and put together an adequate rendition. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Only more for the TFA idea, a picture of the Case Study House #21 that inspired this painting would be a fair free-license replacement. I wouldn't use such for ITN (too many additional words to explain the connection) but in a TFA blurb, there's room to discuss the house as inspiration. --Masem (t) 15:46, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To Martin, yes it would not be eligible to appear at TFA, which is quite often the case as to why TFA sometimes runs without an image. While it's a requirement of FAC to have at least one image, it can be a fair use image which cannot subsequently be used on the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:51, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it is best that there isn't an image of the painting or anything related to it in the "In the news" section, because once someone reads that the odds are probably quite high that they are going to click through just to have a look at the painting. It is presented well at the page, which is being improved and added to at a rapid rate. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:54, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not allowing fair-use material on the Main Page is a stupid rule that prioritises licence-free content over building an encyclopaedia. Main Page is in article space anyway. Whenever anyone points that out they get shouted down with an WP:AAJ, but the practice been in place so long that inertia has fixed it in place. Modest Genius talk 14:15, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Good point Modest Genius, and maybe a discussion at the WikiProject visual arts talk page could also get more input and strategic information comments about how to "make it so". Front page use isn't a constant presence, so it's not a permanent usage of a copyrighted image. The Picture of the Day section would, of course, gain the most of such an extension of fair use, and open the door to information-sharing about many historical artworks (viewing and describing Guernica, some of Frida Kahlo's paintings, and thousands of others would be quite beneficial to Wikipedia readers). Thanks for raising this question. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, the main page would strongly benefit from being able to use such fair use images. This isn't the place to discuss that really, we should find a more central location to thrash that out (and not a Wikiproject either). The Rambling Man (talk) 18:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The logical way to discuss it seems to be by creating a new section at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free content (and pinging those involved here, except me as I know nothing about the issue), as a Redirect ensures that Talk page covers suggested changes to both Wikipedia:Non-free content (including Wikipedia:Non-free content#Exemptions) and to Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria (including WP:NFCC#9, which you might want to try to change to say "and only in article namespace, including the Main Page"). Tlhslobus (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, the reason we don't have non-free allowed on the main page came originally from Jimmy Wales circa 2007, which afterwards led to the formation of the basis of our current non-free content policy (specific in limiting non-free to main space. Main Page is considered a portal, I understand from these discussions. See [18] from 2013 and links included in that. --Masem (t) 23:00, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Stale) RD: Zhores Medvedev

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Article: Zhores Medvedev (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vedomosti
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Prominent Soviet scientist, dissident. Openlydialectic (talk) 21:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: William Goldman

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Article: William Goldman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYTimes
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Oscar-winning screenwriter, article needs some work, but not beyond saving... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:43, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Khmer Rouge leaders guilty of genocide

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Articles: Khieu Samphan (talk · history · tag) and Nuon Chea (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A tribunal finds Khmer Rouge leaders Nuon Chea and Khieu Samphan guilty of genocide. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The New York Times
Credits:

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: Significant news as the tribunal has been on-going for 20 years and these are the only people alive who faced a charge for the Cambodian genocide. Genocide convictions are historical. Pudeo (talk) 12:19, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment trying to check refs in BLP articles is tough when the refs are print books and no page number is in the citation. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Nuon Chea article has about 1/3 of it's content from a single source, a compilation of excerpts from "Soviet Archives" by a guy named Dmitry Mosyakov. The link at yale.edu is dead, but if you Google the exact title you'll find PDFs from alternate sources. The content in question isn't mundane either, I think it should be stricken if the article is posted. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:06, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Khieu Samphan is better, nothing really outrageous in it. There is a lot sourced to "A Biographical Encyclopedia of Contemporary Genocide: Portraits of Evil and Good." but without page numbers (I don't have access to a university library to check them anyway). Still it's probably ok. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:15, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • The tribunal article itself has a pile of detail about the administrative organization of the tribunal which I don't think matters that much. I had to orange tag the list of judges, and added a few CNs here and there. The details about the individual defendants seem ok. I didn't read the controversies section yet, it's late here. If you post this, the tribunal should be the only bold link and needs cleaning up first. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:29, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • I added multipled citations to the tribunal article and removed some unsourced information.[19] As for the biographies, they seem ok to me, although not close to GA status or anything like that. I have no preference whether the tribunal or the biographies are bolded. --Pudeo (talk) 09:16, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle. An important (though long-delayed) conviction of a major genocide. Could we get a link to Cambodian genocide into the blurb somewhere? I've not had time to assess the updates or article quality. Modest Genius talk 12:51, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on the merits; I think that war crimes convictions are generally notable. 331dot (talk) 21:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle - genocide convictions are notable starship.paint ~ KO 03:27, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability. This seems really only a technicality. As I understand it, they are both already serving life for crimes against humanity. This genocide conviction merely covers the small fraction of their victims who were not ethnically Cambodian (such as Vietnamese, etc). Even if it were nevertheless deemed notable it might then be quite difficult to get a blurb that does not mislead our readers by overstating the importance of the event, thus damaging Wikipedia by giving some of our readers the impression that we use misleading clickbait. Tlhslobus (talk) 04:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'll just disagree with the clickbait-thing as it was the #1 news article on BBC's frontpage when I posted it. It's true that they have already been serving a life sentence since 2014 for crimes against humanity, but the genocide convction is notable as well and also the main question of this UN-supported tribunal. Previously it also has been opinionated that it wasn't a genocide. Actually, the BBC article that's linked has a chapter on "Why is the genocide verdict significant?" --Pudeo (talk) 16:06, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Whether or not some of our readers get the impression that it is clickbait will have nothing to do with what the BBC news website looked like 2 days earlier, since they will not be aware of that. And just because the BBC claims that its own story is significant doesn't necessarily mean that it is, let alone that it is ITN-worthy (which the BBC story presumably does NOT claim, even for posting at the time, let alone for posting two days later), nor that our readers will see it as such (nor that we need see it as such). Indeed the very fact that the BBC have to explain why it is supposedly significant suggests that they realize that many of their readers will understandably not see it as significant (and they can explain that in their news items more easily than we can do so in our articles, as they don't have to be NPOV, RS-based NOR, and encyclopedic - it would be totally unencyclopedic, POV, and OR for us to try to tell our readers why this story is ITN-worthy, if only because there will not be a single RS discussing whether it is ITN-worthy). Meanwhile quite likely we have another reason for not posting, namely that it's gone stale. Tlhslobus (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ongoing: Sri Lankan constitutional crisis

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Article: 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Per WP:ERRORS and the multiple updates that the current blurb has received, it seems clear that this will be an indefinitely ongoing event. WaltCip (talk) 11:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment this is already the top story at ITN. This will, once it finally gets to the bottom, be reassessed at the time and added to Ongoing automatically should the admin doing the update decide to do so. Do we need this nomination as well as all that? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:53, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    My concern is that, if any future updates to this story occur, the blurb will be bumped to the top again as well as updated. We have never allowed that sort of treatment for any other ongoing event. In any case, the ITN photo has been the same person (on and off) for a while now (with Stan Lee to briefly interrupt), and I'm a little leery about having another Lugo on the main page. WaltCip (talk) 13:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    So part of your concern is that you're tired of seeing the picture?? There're scripts that can hide it for you. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I think we have bumped items whose blurbs have changed notably during running. But we don't have to. And as this moves down the page, it'll gravitate into Ongoing. Why wouldn't we apply this same logic to the forest fires? That hit the news again today, "California wildfires: Number of missing leaps to 631" which significantly changes the landscape on that story. So should we re-work the hook, bump it up, or put it in Ongoing until the fires are handled? It looks no different to the Sri Lanka situation. And you could argue the same about the Ebola story..... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removing the blurb and dropping this into ongoing now. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Why on earth would we do that? It's easy to change the blurb should anything major happen. It doesn't mean the blurb needs bumping back to the top. Just let it run its course. As far as I know, we've never demoted an article to Ongoing from blurb like that. If you do this, then you should do the same with the fires in Americuh too. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:05, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the blurb rotates off; if the situation is still fluid at that point, and the article receiving frequent updates, then it can move to ongoing. If there's a genuine need to replace the blurb with a different one (rather than tweaking the originally-posted one) then start a new nomination here. Modest Genius talk 12:54, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Leave the blurb to naturally reach the bottom and be obscured, then if the issue is still in the news, nominate for Ongoing, that's how we do it normally and no convincing reason to do otherwise. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:39, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Renomination for ongoing is not necessary for all cases; Khashoggi was shifted down without a renom for example. (per WP:ITN: Older stories which are scheduled to roll off the bottom of the list may be added to ongoing at admins' discretion, provided that the linked article is receiving continuous updates with new information on a regular basis.) SpencerT•C 15:16, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I can agree renomination is not necessary but my main point still stands. We don't pull blurb just to convert it to Ongoing, we let it to reach the bottom, unless it's found not worthy of posting in the first place. Also Khashoggi's case was first posted to Ongoing then changed to Blurb after significant turn of events and a new nomination. So there's quite difference here. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:31, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per Modest Genius. Banedon (talk) 01:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (once the blurb rotates off) Looking at the situation on the ground there it looks like there is no solid resolution in sight as of yet. There are still Supreme Court decisions on the events to be handed out in over a months time. Looks like there is still a month or two of this still to play out.--Blackknight12 (talk) 02:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (once the blurb rotates off) per Blackknight12. Crisis is still clearly ongoing and article is still being regularly updated. Tlhslobus (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update this was posted to ongoing by Stephen here. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Proposed redefinition of SI base units

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Nominator's comments: A fundamental change to how units are defined in physics; so quite big science news which is at least partly understandable at the popular level, so I think it is appropriate for ITN. Article looks to be in very good shape, though will need an update if the changes are confirmed. Of course we should not post until it is confirmed (16-Nov-2018), but it seems very likely to, so we might as well be ready. Adpete (talk) 00:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait It hasn't happened yet, it's only expected to happen later today. Wait until it has happened for sure. TheMrP (talk) 00:33, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support pending vote outcome Article is in good shape outside the result of the vote (and presumably if voted for, it will be moved to "Redefinition of SI base units"). Interesting fundamental science news we don't get to post much about. --Masem (t) 00:36, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Masem. Banedon (talk) 00:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support pending vote outcome and R.I.P. to Le Grand K. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:17, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question I grew up in a metric country, I still find this Good Article to be somewhat inaccessible. Reading it, the definition of a second and a meter are essentially unchanged but the definition of a Kilogram "the current definition defines the kilogram as being the mass of the international prototype kilogram, which is an artefact and not a constant of nature, whereas the new definition relates it to the equivalent mass of the energy of a photon given its frequency, via the Planck constant. " What the hell does that mean? The Planck constant? an "international prototype kilogram"? WTF? If this is adopted, is a kilogram of potatoes going to be larger or smaller than it is now or so negligible that it doesn't matter to anyone who isn't trying to measure the mass of a single molecule? --LaserLegs (talk) 01:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The kilogram is currently defined as the mass of a standard block of metal. See [20] fourth paragraph. Planck's constant is a fundamental constant of nature, and it's related to the energy of a photon by the relation E = hf (E = energy, f = frequency, h is the Planck's constant). If this is adopted, you're not going to notice any differences. The changes are too small to be measurable without highly sophisticated apparatus. Banedon (talk) 02:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC article has a good summary: right now, the only way to confirm the kg is to go to Paris to check against that weight (the Le Grand K). By switching the system to the Planck constant - which can be measured by anyone with a specific type of electromagnetic balance - then all other factors can be used to derive the kg. --Masem (t) 02:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to you both for your explanation. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:20, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) New supra-kingdom of eukaryotes: Hemimastigophora

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Article: Spironemidae (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): CBC, Nature (peer-reviewed article)
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: New biological kingdom appears to have been discovered based on research at Dalhousie University; “as different from other kingdoms as animals are from fungi.” 24.114.224.35 (talk) 18:16, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Brexit resignations

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Article: Brexit negotiations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ On November 15, 2018, eight British government officials resign in response to the proposed Brexit deal. (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard
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Nominator's comments: Do we need another Brexit update? But, eight government resignations in a day. Kingsif (talk) 01:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Roy Clark

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Article: Roy Clark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [21]
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Nominator's comments: Country music hall of fame member. StrikerforceTalk 17:36, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Swedish general election

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Articles: 2018 Swedish government formation (talk · history · tag) and Swedish general election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After two months of negotiations, Swedish Prime Minister candidate Ulf Kristersson loses confidence vote. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After two months of negotiations, Swedish Prime Minister candidate Ulf Kristersson loses a vote of confidence, forcing an election.
News source(s): https://www.thelocal.se/20181114/swedish-parliament-rejects-centre-right-pm-candidate-ulf-kristersson
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Nominator's comments: This vote is significant, as it marks the first time in modern Swedish history that a PM candidate failed a confidence vote, as well as continuing a deeply divided and historically lengthy government formation process. Specter Koen (talk) 10:24, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not irrelevant to the Swedes, at any rate. Sca (talk) 02:25, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Mario Suárez (singer)

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Article: Mario Suárez (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Diario
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Venezuelan folk singer Jamez42 (talk) 08:42, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Lucho Gatica

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Article: Lucho Gatica (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BillboardAl Dia NewsPrensa Latina
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Chilean bolero singer. My previous nomination got stale because of lack of references, but I still think it is worth nominating again. Jamez42 (talk) 00:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Caroline Rose Hunt

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Article: Caroline Rose Hunt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dallas News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is updated and overall well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:24, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Herbert London

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Article: Herbert London (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is updated and overall well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:39, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support: One the assumption that the two bare urls in the references will be fixed before posting - Dumelow (talk) 08:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kyrsten Sinema elected to the US Senate

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Articles: Kyrsten Sinema (talk · history · tag) and United States Senate election in Arizona, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Democrat congresswoman Kyrsten Sinema wins the US Senate seat for Arizona, becoming the first female Senator for the State, the first Arizona Democrat since 1995, and the first openly bisexual Senator. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Historic victory and seat change, and one of the last results holding out it was so contentious. Kingsif (talk) 01:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: David Pearson

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Article: David Pearson (racing driver) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Star Tribune
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: GA. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Bali Nine member Renae Lawrence to be released

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Articles: Bali Nine (talk · history · tag) and Renae Lawrence (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Bali Nine member Renae Lawrence scheduled to be released on 21 November, after 12 years in prison (Post)
News source(s): [22], [23]
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Nominator's comments: Notorious drug mule. Caught in Bali in 2005 with 2.6 kg of heroin taped to her body. Two other members of the Bali Nine were executed by firing squad in 2015, and one died in prison. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted): Death of Stan Lee

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Article: Stan Lee (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American comic-book creator Stan Lee dies at the age of 95. (Post)
News source(s): TMZ, THR, Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Looks fully referenced; likely to be a flood of updates over the next hour. We may need to wait for independent confirmation. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Abequinn14 If it is determined this should be a blurb, that's where it will go, not in both places. 331dot (talk) 19:17, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just saying if the blurb fails to get support (which doesn't seem to be the case right now) I support a RD. Abequinn14 (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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{Stale) RD: Ananth Kumar

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Article: Ananth Kumar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian Union Minister Ananth Kumar died.- Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Ten people are injured after a man steals a car by stabbing its owner and drives into pedestrians on a sidewalk and at a shopping mall in Brăila, Romania. (Star Tribune)
  • 2018 Australian strawberry contamination
    • A 50-year-old former strawberry farm supervisor is arrested in Queensland in connection with 230 reports of sewing needles found hidden in strawberries. The "strawberry scare" spread throughout the country and to New Zealand, and devastated Australia’s multimillion-dollar strawberry industry. (BBC) (The Mail)

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(Stale) RD: Douglas Rain

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Article: Douglas Rain (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Voiced Hal in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Too many referencing issues. Hopefully will be resolved soon. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • RCMP confirm one of two explosions at the Strathcona County Community Centre in Sherwood Park, Alberta on November 6th was deliberate, and the other was accidentally set off. They also disclose the suspect shot himself and later died from his wounds. No one else was hurt in the incident, and a motive for the incident is still under investigation. (CTV News)

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(Posted) RD: Ron Johnson (running back)

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Article: Ron Johnson (running back) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player. Article generally very good. A couple of short uncited passages and a bare url. I am away from my computer for a couple of days but hopefully somebody can remedy these minor issues - Dumelow (talk) 00:38, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Day X plot

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Article: Day X plot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The German magazine Focus first reports the existence of a plot within the German military to assassinate left-leaning politicians. (Post)
News source(s): [24], [25], [26]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This relates to a wide-ranging criminal investigation that occurred beginning in 2017 but was only publicly revealed on November 9 in an investigative report by Focus when the first indictment was handed down. The article itself is new and has been classed "B" and the incident - which involved a plan to lure several members of the Bundestag to remote locations and murder them - has received widespread media coverage within Germany since the news broke on November 9. (To be clear, the news item is the story by Focus, not the events on which the story reports.) Chetsford (talk) 01:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Second Congo ebola outbreak

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Article: 2018 Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 200 people have died from a second outbreak of ebola in Democratic Republic of the Congo in 2018, making it the largest such outbreak in the country's history. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: While the outbreak is still going on and wont be resolved for a while, the fact that it is now confirmed as the largest outbreak in this country appears to be newsworthy. While western sources are getting the story now, this stat was made on this date, so posting here. Masem (t) 15:18, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Melbourne stabbing

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Article: 2018 Melbourne stabbing attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ One person is killed and two injured in a stabbing in Melbourne, Australia. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-46147581
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Nominator's comments: First terrorist attack in Australia for some time. 108.214.194.149 (talk) 02:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support based on historical significant of the attack and quality of article given how recently the attack occurred. (note: I also updated the blurb to bold the like to the article) --DannyS712 (talk) 02:51, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The weakest of possible opposes A seemingly lone wolf operation that ends up only killing one is not really that big a story. I know they said the man may have had a larger plan (with propane tanks) and was a person of intereest before, but still, this ended up with minimal harm. But that said, I'd not be against this being posted, just feel this is where the hypothetical MINIMUMDEATHS should be considered even if it was terrorism related --Masem (t) 06:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment seems that knives are the weapon of choice for homicide in Australia. Sadly these things will continue until Australia implements some meaningful knife control laws. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The US is just a murderous country, with 17,250 a year. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you two talking about the USA? I was just pointing out Australias knife murder rate for some context regarding this article. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Roger Hoy

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Article: Roger Hoy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English footballer. Another article that might be a little short but seems well sourced - Dumelow (talk) 20:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard Paul Conaboy

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Article: Richard Paul Conaboy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American judge. Short but well sourced - Dumelow (talk) 09:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I found a little more to add but not much. I'll keep an eye open for any new info in the obits - Dumelow (talk) 20:00, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weakest support just about enough I guess, and what's there is fine. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis

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Article: 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the ongoing constitutional crisis in Sri Lanka, President Maithripala Sirisena dissolves parliament and calls for elections in violation of the country’s Nineteenth Amendment which he co-sponsored. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena dissolves parliament and calls a snap elections in violation of the Nineteenth Amendment to the Constitution in the ongoing constitutional crisis.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Due to a lack of numbers in an upcoming vote, President Maithripala Sirisena dissolves parliament and calls a snap election in the ongoing constitutional crisis in Sri Lanka.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena dissolves parliament and calls for early elections.
News source(s): BBC, New York Times, Aljazeera, Colombo Telegraph, The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: The results and effects of 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis will have significant domestic and regional geopolitical consequences. President Sirisena has set a new precedent in boldly violating the constitution which has and will further escalate the crisis. Blackknight12 (talk) 20:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--Blackknight12 (talk) 13:56, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Looks good to me. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:30, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support- huge news, and goes to show the pro-american bias on Wikipedia. Results of a legislative elections in a presidential republic get published immediately, while the announcement of a coup in an asian country is basically ignored. Shame. Openlydialectic (talk) 12:41, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is not that this isn't important, but we also look to article quality, and this one has a neutrality tag at the very top, which we cannot post with that still there. --Masem (t) 14:07, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Excuse me? It was just pointed out in multiple comments that the U.S. mid-term elections were considered general elections via ITN/R and were not the only instance of such elections being posted to ITN. I'm having a hard time not believing at this point that you're just fishing for a reaction.--WaltCip (talk) 14:33, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • @WaltCip:, stop with this demagogy. You know full well that the results we had posted before were from countries that were pairlamentary democracies (e.g. Germany, United Kingdom) and where aforementioned legislative elections therefore determined who was going to become "the real" head of state, they determined who was going to be in the executive branch. The United States is not a legislative elections, so comparing the recent US case with postng elections from the UK or Germany is misleading, and I refuse to believe you don't understand that. You do, you are just not interested in anything but furthering your biases. Openlydialectic (talk) 18:53, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Openlydialectic: I already know posting this article on the main page is not important to you at all, because you haven't yet fixed the article so it could be posted. You're just here to stir up trouble, and aren't really concerned that Wikipedia properly covers Asian topics. And I know this because if that was a concern of yours, you'd have actually done something useful about it, and cleaned up this article so we could post it. If you had already fixed the article, it would have already been in the main page. --Jayron32 14:50, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Openlydialectic notwithstanding the education provided to you above by admin Jayron, I honestly don't think you seem to understand how this process works. The article is tagged with a POV banner, that needs resolving before it can posted to the main page, that's an actual rule. Secondly, you claim "Results of a legislative elections in a presidential republic get published immediately" yet a cursory glance reveals it wasn't posted "immediately", but 15.5 hours after nomination. Thirdly you don't appear to have noticed that it was an WP:ITNR which meant that all assessments were purely based on quality, and nothing to do with perceived significance. If you need any assistance understanding the ITN process in either this, or any other such case, don't hesitate to give me a shout. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:10, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia has become too tiresome for me to edit it, at least for now, which is why I haven't fixed it. However I will say that seeing how all 3 of you were triggered by my assertion of existance of pro-american bias on wikipedia, it just goes to show that this assessment was indeed correct and is also largerly unfixable seeing how even a mention of such bias triggers a large chunk of wikipedia's editor base Openlydialectic (talk) 15:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, four of us responded (not three), and I think mostly it was just to correct all the various errors in your assertions. Great response though. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:00, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
TRM accused of pro-American bias - is this a first? Tlhslobus (talk) 02:12, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well indeed, it sums up the absurdity of the initial accusation quite nicely. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This situation is significant enough for the main page and should be posted when the article quality concerns are addressed. Lepricavark (talk) 15:07, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment sadly it looks like a bit of a drive-by tagging, the tagger stating "too many problems to list currently" which isn't helpful. The tag ought to be removed until the problems are concisely identified, otherwise this is a stalemate situation. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:10, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, first I'd like to "thank" those editors kvetching about the process (and accusing me of drive-by tagging) without doing a damn thing about the very obvious issues. Clearly none of the blurbs are acceptable, yet none of the people claiming "bias" have improved them. Second, is "dissolving parliament" by one of the two rival camps really the news-worthy event here, or should this be "ongoing"? Third, the NPOV issues should be pretty obvious, the sourcing on "Rajapaksa presidency" isn't good enough to support "increasingly authoritarian", the timeline section is a list of news stories with no particular concern for importance, "Bribing with cabinet positions" doesn't reflect that section's content, and the "Reactions" section is lousy even as far as those lousy sections go. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:12, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And neither 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis nor Nineteenth Amendment to the Constitution of Sri Lanka makes clear which of the many odd actions in the past 2 weeks violate that amendment, as is asserted in the first two blurbs. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Rightly or wrongly, what you did was drive-by tagging as you had enough time to tag and start a section but yet failed to list a single actionable item. Some of those interested in posting this may have benefitted from a clear description of the problems. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If I had the time yesterday to list every issue with the article, I would have fixed it myself. If they can't read the article, why should I trust them to write it? power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's not really about you, your standards, what or who you trust, it's about informing the editing population where you thought POV issues existed. Of course, doing what you did was precisely what I said, stalemate. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:30, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Power~enwiki thanks for improving the article, but I have to agree, I think it would have better had you made a clear list to all the problems when tagging the article. I knew there were many problems with the article, but I have been out-resourced this whole time, nor could I keep up with the fast pace of the changing events. But had there been a list I could have focused on fixing those issues when I got back. Having said that, its looks like the article has gone through some changes thanks to User:Power~enwiki, User:LaserLegs and User:Openlydialectic. Are there anymore issues you would like to address?--Blackknight12 (talk) 03:16, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The article could use about 6 hours of skilled copy-editing; the timeline sections are disjointed at best. Openlydialectic's comment about how there aren't many sources from Sri Lanka is also accurate; unfortunately I'm not sure anyone here can read Sinhala or Tamil. Finally, this still seems like an "ongoing" event rather than the (disputed) dismissal of parliament being notable on its own. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:18, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ill do some more editing today when I have the time. But just on Openlydialectic comment, the The Daily Mirror is referenced at least 19 times. However Ill make sure to include more variety of Sri Lankan sources too. Hopefully we can get this out today.--Blackknight12 (talk) 03:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question can someone help me with the "Recent events" section, it looks like it was copied almost word for word from it's only source: a BBC article. I don't know if I should tag it for copyvio or if it paraphrases enough or if more refs could save it or what. Feedback welcome. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:39, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Same with the alleged assassination attempt. The article says "Sirisena began firing the heads of state institutions not in his purview and replacing them with those loyal to him." and the NYT article it refs says "Mr. Sirisena began firing the heads of state institutions not in his purview and stacking them with loyalists.". Is this a concern? --LaserLegs (talk) 18:42, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's bad enough to require revdel, but it should be fixed (and should I just assume that everything that's unsourced and awkwardly written is in that BBC or NYT article?) power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:44, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was surprised that the ref supported that remark, honestly. You'll have to check them all. I'll get out of your way, have some yard work to do. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:47, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article about this crisis has two noted problems about it. That is a lot, especially for an article that we are considering posting to the home page. Furthermore, I do not know how relevant this crisis is to begin with. According to Parliament of Sri Lanka: "The President of Sri Lanka has the power to summon, suspend, prorogue, or terminate a legislative session and to dissolve the Parliament. President can dissolve Parliament only after the lapse of 4 1/2 years or if 2/3 majority of Members of Parliament requests him." While I am no expert on Sri Lankan politics, that other article makes things like this seem quite routine. Alternate Side Parking (talk) 23:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User:Alternate Side Parking This parliament has only been in session since September 2015, thats only just over 3 years.--Blackknight12 (talk) 02:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support seems obvious, massive event. Banedon (talk) 03:14, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A good work by Blackknight12 and massive event .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:24, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I have a few problems with the article. There are two timelines, they need to be merged, and turned into coherent paragraphs. There is a "recent events" section in the "background" section which makes no sense. Still a number of CN tags and it needs a copyedit for grammar. More importantly though I'm not really seeing widespread coverage of this (before you stomp on my throat, that was enough to kill the Indian nuclear sub story in a few short hours) and even though I've read the article a few times, I still don't understand the problem here: an unpopular former president was made prime minister? Why? So what? --LaserLegs (talk) 11:31, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've done some more editing and cleaned up the article. FYI the problem here is not that an unpopular former president was made prime minister, but they way in which he was appointed, the blatant disregard for the law and the multiple violations of the constitution, among other things. I'm not sure where you are from, but this is definitely headline news in the country and the whole region. The crisis has been and currently is widely reported on internationally.--Blackknight12 (talk) 17:17, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What does the appointment of the house leader have to do with bribery allegations? The economy section is puff. "landslide victory" is puff. Why did Sirisena replace his PM? Has he made any statements to that effect? And so what, the position is largely ceremonial. Oh well, this is certainly going to get posted, and it's better than it was, but it's very rough. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:06, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I agree that Blackknight12 has gotten the article to sufficient quality to post. I'm not sure I can support any of the blurbs; Ongoing may be a better fit. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:51, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability per Banedon, Pharaoh of the Wizards, etc. It's important for Sri Lanka, for the future of democracy in the region generally, and for the long-standing and ongoing Sino-Indian and Indo-Pakistani power struggles in geopolitics (with India and (China+Pakistan) seemingly supporting opposite sides in the dispute). I leave article quality, blurb-wording, and 'blurb vs ongoing' to be judged by others. Tlhslobus (talk) 18:54, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support + alt blurb III - added alt blurb III which is shorter, to the point & makes no mention of the 19th Amendendment that has basically kept it from getting posted. 39.57.138.205 (talk) 06:13, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well that and the article doesn't explain WHY it happened, or what the impact is, just that it did happen and the opposition lost their minds over it. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:55, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Imelda Marcos sentenced

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Article: Imelda Marcos (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former First Lady of the Philippines Imelda Marcos is convicted of seven counts of grafting over US$200 million to a Swiss foundation, and sentenced to serve up to 77 years in prison. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News, BBC, NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article claims to be a GA but it has dozens of CN tags. Note she is (at least, just before today) a sitting politician. Also, this is a case that has been ongoing for 27 years Masem (t) 15:11, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I mean the main point in the news, whether she will serve the prison term is another matter, but the conviction would automatically disqualify her from holding public office. STSC (talk) 09:49, 11 November 2018 (UTC)STSC (talk) 09:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No it doesn't. A final confirmation of conviction is needed to perpetually disqualify someone from public office. If Marcos is appealing, it's not final. (Now if Marcos is pardoned, that's another matter.) Howard the Duck (talk) 09:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
She may apply for bail and still stand for elections pending appeal. STSC (talk) 10:20, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. It doesn't disqualify her from public office. This changes nothing. She's still a free (wo)man, can still run for office, and won't go to jail. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:23, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's still a victory. This news is very newsworthy in ITN. STSC (talk) 10:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If there's a hollow victory, this is it. They can't even make her pay up what she stole at this point. ITN posts entries when there's a clear change of status (elections notwithstanding) on something/someone. This changes nothing. Wait until the appeals ends, then we'll talk. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:57, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
ITN posts current events, we don't just wait till something traumatic has happened. STSC (talk) 12:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually ITN does as per WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. That's why ITN posts terrorist attacks, but not when authorities foil such attacks (except for that one time when the targets are especially noteworthy). Howard the Duck (talk) 13:54, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So it's a hard fast policy as documented by one user's essay that you've used an WP:EASTEREGG to suggest is actually policy ( circumventing the consensus at WP:RfD) . Except for that time when it wasn't a few weeks ago. Got it. ghost 14:27, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nowhere did I say it's "hard fast policy". Howard the Duck (talk) 14:34, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think the ex-GA article's quality is quite acceptable as it stands. Every article is work-in-progress. Would you like to improve the article? STSC (talk) 07:19, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well sadly you're wrong, it's nowhere near acceptable. And no, I'm not interested in this article in the slightest, but thanks for the invitation. You're supporting it, you improve it. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:44, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I won't vote for you in ArbCom in the future then. STSC (talk) 09:05, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, that's the worst news I've had all day, and I've been awake for literally an hour. Sorry you wouldn't want your Arbs to tell you cold hard facts, the truth, rather they'd obfuscate and conceal? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever, we were right to reject you in last ArbCom election. STSC (talk) 10:44, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and no doubt you felt the bunch you elected were ideal too. What has that got to do with anything here? I'll tell you: absolutely nothing. Stop wasting time. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It was targeted by a massive tag-bombing recently from someone like you who can't be bothered to improve it. STSC (talk) 14:42, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you disagree with the tags, remove them all. If not, then no problem. You don't have to be "bothered to improve" something when pointing out there's something wrong with it. That's not how it works. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Gosh, I thought this one would be a shoe-in. – Sca (talk) 14:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The article has met the minimum quality requirement without any serious issue. STSC (talk) 19:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Of the tags, all I see are "page needed" and "incomplete short citation". Both are issues but those are GA/FA-level completness stuff. WP:V has been just met. For purposes of expediting this, I would remove all those, but leave a link to the current version on the talk page to identify the problem citations so they can be fixed. It's definitely not a lack of sourcing at this point, just formatting of those, which we do not expect perfection at ITN. --Masem (t) 19:39, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We've never posted an article at ITN with so many inline tags, you know that. This is not about expectation of perfection, that's a red herring, this is about not promoting work which is frankly embarrassing to the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:56, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Inline tags after an article has been nominated at ITN should be dealt with, but we're talking about an excessive number of inline tags that attempt to target quality issues we normally would not care about at ITN. Things are sourced, but book sources are lacking a more specific page reference, for example. That's a long-term issue, but not something ppl should be excessively tagging. I know the article was filled with CNs at the time I nominated, but those have been addressed. --Masem (t) 06:10, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We're not going to post an article with so many inline tags. Their existence is justified. The sooner we all accept that, the better. Besides all that, there's no consensus at all to post this story in any case. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:17, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I extremely doubt that if someone filled in a whole bunch of CNs with a single reference to a book but did not include page or chapter numbers with that ref, that we would not consider that acceptable for ITN. We are critical of CN tags which were a problem with the article before, but "page number" tags are not a critical failure for ITN. As I've said, at the present time, while at some point those page number issues should be fixed to be more precise, WP:V is otherwise met, and at this point for purposes of posting in a timely manner (which this is soon to run out), clearing out the page numbering warnings is completely acceptable. If they were CNs, absolutely agree that those cannot be removed and not addressed, but we simply do not have that stickler on the quality of the cite format for ITN. (And I'd argue that consensus is there to post once the main tags were dealt with, which they have been, leaving only the "page number" ones). --Masem (t) 07:49, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not going to happen, and you know it. We have never posted anything like this, and we shouldn't start now. And there's no consensus to post, at all. She hasn't even been arrested. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"We"? You don't speak for us. The objections here were mainly based on seeing the orange tags but those tags have been cleared. The other minor maintenance tags had been indiscriminately applied and they can be dealt with anytime. STSC (talk) 16:48, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am speaking as a member of the community who are aware of our norms (i.e. we never post such tagged material) and as a member of the community who can also read consensus (i.e. there's no consensus to post this). It's also a non-event as she hasn't even been arrested. And you are absolutely incorrect if you believe tags to be have added "indiscriminately". The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The rambling man's policy of "we never post such tagged material" does not apply. Only the ITN guidelines apply here. STSC (talk) 22:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I said we have never posted such tagged material, so we should not start doing so, particularly in such a marginal case and particularly when there's no consensus to do so and particularly when the story is a damp squib. When she gets finally arrested and perhaps sent to prison, then you might have a story, so plenty of time to get the article up to scratch in the meantime. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:18, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"ITN serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest." You don't just wait and see what may happen next. STSC (talk) 18:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Very often we do wait, especially in criminal cases. Sorry about that. This is a particular non-story because she hasn't even been arrested! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Camp Fire

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Articles: Camp Fire (2018) (talk · history · tag) and Woolsey Fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Camp Fire destroys the town of Paradise, California. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Four concurrent wildfires in California, including the Camp Fire, destroy over 190,000 acres and kill at least 25 people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Four concurrent wildfires in California, including the Camp Fire, and Woolsey Fire (pictured), destroy over 190,000 acres and kill at least 25 people.
News source(s): New York Times, AP, San Jose Mercury News, Guardian, L.A. Times, BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Getting slightly ahead of this one, but this fire appears to be similar to the 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire, which was posted here when it happened. I suspect this article will change rapidly over the next twelve hours. NorthernFalcon (talk) 08:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I've not evaluated the story yet, but if it is posted it needs a much better blurb than that - it needs to say "camp fire" is a specific wildfire and not the usual meaning of "camp fire". It also needs some indication of significance - population? Evacuations? Deaths/injuries? Thryduulf (talk) 11:42, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Population 26,551. Also amazingly this is a place that averages 8 centimeters and 5 days of rain in October and twice or more that in November (think Mediterranean climate, like Italy), and even in the East when it can get 40C and no rain for 5-15 days and pine trees are full of turpentine this kind of thing usually doesn't happen. It takes 3 months of drought for maximum flammability. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Really? A fire starts sunrise, town of 27,000 ordered to evacuate hours later and some are still trapped (nearly every household has cars and officials err on the safe side especially since they must've been in an extreme national weather service red flag fire warning or something and all parts of the state are no stranger to deaths from extreme spread speed), burns everything burnable, grows to 81 square kilometers by evening and it'll be a stub forever without immense fluff? Their typical Nov 9 weather is similar to London except almost triple the rain, this is climatologically unusual. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:41, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but nothing which couldn't be summed up in a few sentences in the Paradise article. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:47, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment I know the news on this is the rapid destruction of Paradise due to unpredictable winds, but there's two other fires in CA going, wit the Woolsey fire also having being seen as a similar threat. While wildfires in CA are not uncommon, these two (Camp and Woosley) are extremely close to major towns and thus more threatening than those more well in the wilderness. I agree with waiting just a bit but it might be appropriate to consider a merged blurb here. --Masem (t) 15:27, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support the article is short, but that's true for nearly all our disaster porn. Not every day a town of this size is burned to the ground. Expect more details to emerge as residents are allowed to re-enter the area. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is it safe for body counters to search the town yet? Do they use "death specialists" like coroner for this or people who might be busy now like police? Hopefully there's enough oxygen to let it burn past you breathing a bag of air underwater or in a concrete building or something but I don't know how common that is. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update – As of 22:000, six RSs say five dead (NYT: "at least" five) in Paradise-Chico (pop. 90,000) area, with 150,000+ evacuated, including SoCal residents in the path of the Woolsey Fire near Malibu, NW of L.A. (Sources updated above.)Sca (talk) 22:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I was wondering about a combined blurb or even ongoing for the various wildfires but there hasn't been a significant update to the prose at 2018 California wildfires since the summer. Thryduulf (talk) 22:30, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Adding an altblurb that talks about all three concurrent fires. While the Camp Fire has the largest attention, the other two are just as dangerous due to the problematic winds. --Masem (t) 22:33, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the other two burned over the last major barrier (US road 101) and are threatening to burn the homes of ~100,000 people including Malibu. Wow. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:13, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I heard he was blaming the media for the fires. Sca (talk) 15:58, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's the migrant caravan, that's why democrats want open borders. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

November 8

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Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Posted) RD: François N. Macerola

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Article: François N. Macerola (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian lawyer and film executive. Looks reasonably good to me - Dumelow (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed that. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 04:29, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2018 Thousand Oaks Shooting

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Thousand Oaks shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Twelve people were shot dead by a gunman at a dance hall in Thousand Oaks, California. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: A shooting in the USA with a rather high body count (11 plus a Sheriff's deputy, and the gunman himself). WaltCip (talk) 12:18, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
At the point that they stop becoming news.--WaltCip (talk) 12:24, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Juventus vs Man Utd last night is news but it's not on the home page here, so it's got to be more than that. This is at least the 17th mass shooting in the US this year if our cat is accurate – 2018 mass shootings in the United States – albeit it's one of the bigger ones. Ericoides (talk) 13:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is because of the size that I exercised discretion and chose to nominate this to ITN, since you are correct in that there are simply too many mass shootings in the U.S. to nominate (only 17 by your count?).--WaltCip (talk) 13:17, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If, jeebus forbid, shootings with 10+ deaths started happening every week, we would stop posting them all. A threshold of frequency does exist, it's just a question of where it lies. We had Stoneman in Feb (17), Sante Fe in May (10) and Pittsburgh in Oct(11). Absent some additional circumstance, I think we've reached BAU now. ghost 13:59, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now due to the article being a stub. When the article is expanded to a reasonable size, will re-evaluate its quality. --Jayron32 12:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support While the article is a stub, this is notable. Mass shooting in the United States with more than 10 deaths is automatically notable IMHO. Also, 13 people have now been confirmed dead by CBS News. — Matthew Wong (at PMA), 12:45, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There's no real point opposing due to stub status, as it will very soon be anything but. You know wat these articles are like. ——SerialNumber54129 12:53, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    And when it is not a stub, I will reassess the quality. We shouldn't post an article on the main page that is of insufficient quality. --Jayron32 13:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability. It shouldn't be too long before it is expanded to sufficient length as more details come in.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:23, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I don't understand what makes this different to any of the other mass shootings that happen in the US? The Pennsylvania shooting was different as a clearly religiously motivated attack on a synagogue - even in the US that is not routine. However a man randomly shooting dead students with no immediately obvious motivation is, incredibly sadly, rather run-of-the-mill for the USA in the 2010s. The body count isn't all that exceptional either - it's only the 6th most deadly in the last 3 years. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. 'Country with virtually no gun control and poor health services surprised when people get shot'. Although frankly if it does get posted, just take a line out of The Onion's book and recycle the headline from any number of the previous shootings. Its not been news for years. If ITN is going to be a news-ticker of sensationalism, it should be covering the Whitehouse's attacks on the free press and blatant distribution of doctored video footage while lying about it. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:09, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because at this point, it is just old news. A mass shooting breaks out, a couple bystanders die. There isn't really anything that sets this different from other shootings that had happened in this year alone... and honestly, if a mass shooting isn't distinguished from other similar incidents (i.e the aforementioned Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania synagogue shooting), it doesn't really deserve a spot here unless there is more than meets the eye here, and we already have more than enough ITN coverages on shootings in the U.S alone. GreatZerosReef (talk) 14:14, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict × 2) Oppose per Thryduulf. Sadly such shootings are basically routine in the US and will likely be largely forgotten within a day or two. I might revisit this if new information reveals something different about this shooting compared to all the others. Regards SoWhy 14:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, unlike other such shootings, coverage outside the US is slim at best. For example, Der Spiegel has three stories about the US on their homepage at the moment: The first two muslimas in the House, Jim Acosta and Ruth Bader Ginsburg's hospitalization. Top story btw? Courts ordering bans on driving of diesel cars in certain cities. Regards SoWhy 14:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And it's way down the list in "Headlines" ("Schlagzeilen"). – Sca (talk) 14:59, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Business as usual in the United States. Article is just above stub standard. Ribbet32 (talk) 14:49, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Until perp is ID'd, at least. Meanwhile we can ponder Gerrit 's question at the top of this discussion. To be frank, I'm getting inured to news of U.S. mass shootings that seem random rather than terrorist acts (even though I'm American). This looks like another nutcase. Sca (talk) 14:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose barring anything odd in the identification of the shooter. In contrast to the synagogue shooting, which was a religious/ethnic-driven shooting that borders on terrorism, this appears to be far less ideologically driven and more random act of violence. --Masem (t) 15:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose another day another mass shooting. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We don't post about mass murders in other places of the world where they are a common occurence (like the recent rebelion in a Tajik prison where 40 people died and which doesn't even have a standalone article on wikipedia), so why should the US be any different? I mean, it's not like these things don't happen there every month or so --Openlydialectic (talk) 15:34, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consensus seems clear. Move to withdraw nom.--WaltCip (talk) 15:45, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Francis Lai

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Article: Francis Lai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Oscar-winning French composer. Referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 13:05, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2018 US Midterm Elections

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Articles: United States House of Representatives elections, 2018 (talk · history · tag) and United States Senate elections, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, the Democrats gain control of the House of Representatives, while Republicans retain control of the Senate. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the United States, the Democrats win a majority in the House of Representatives, while Republicans retain their majority in the Senate.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the United States, the Democratic Party win a majority in the House of Representatives, while the Republican Party expands its majority in the Senate.
News source(s): NYTimes, BBC
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One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Obviously won't have results for a few hours, but polls have closed on the East Coast so results will start coming in. I am pretty confident there are editors ready to fill in tables as races are decided. Format of blurb borrowed from 2014 midterms, but may be simplified depending on what happens. Posting this now to get eyes to review the rest of the content of the articles. Masem (t) 23:47, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Are the polls closed over there already? It is only 16:34 on the west coast. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:34, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • We likely won't know the results until tomorrow morning, and in any case, it's best to wait for the rest of the world to wake up so that they can weigh in on this (it's currently just after midnight UTC).--WaltCip (talk) 01:33, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and close The results of the election will not be known today. In order to be consistent with the treatment of elections in other countries where their ITN nominations were raised prematurely on election day, this nomination should be closed now and reopened once results are known. Chrisclear (talk) 03:09, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually, judging by AP, they've already called a bit more than 1/3rd of the House seats. There may be a few tight races, but US elections at this level will have their results declared within hours of West Coast polls closing (the few seats from Alaska and Hawaii not withstanding). --Masem (t) 03:13, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Reply I appreciate the points you've raised, but I still think the nomination is premature, and it should have waited until 7 November. There seems to be a significant inconsistency with how this election is treated, and the speed with which ITN nominations of elections in other countries (eg. Pakistan in July) are closed. Chrisclear (talk) 03:19, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's more a fact that while there's part of teh US election system that remain convoluted, the well-connected nature of the country means tally results are quickly gathered and disseminated. In a country like Pakistan that lacks the infrastructure for that, that's just not the same thing. Mind you, if there are enough tight races that the press cannot report either way (Bush v Gore, anyone?) we should wait too. --Masem (t) 03:26, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • Reply Yes I agree with your comment about the "well-connected nature of the country means tally results are quickly gathered and disseminated", especially when compared to other countries such as Pakistan. However I also agree that there could be "enough tight races that the press cannot report either way (Bush v Gore, anyone?)", and this is the main reason why I think the nomination could/should have waited. Chrisclear (talk) 03:29, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt Blurb Losers don't like feeling controlled. And neither do the people who believed in them to save the country. Especially as antsy as the media's made people this time around, best to frame this "civil war" a bit more positively. Besides, we all know who really controls both houses, whether or not we agree who that is. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:20, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's not a neutral altblurb, at least in calling them "loses majority", that feels very "sore winner"-ish. Nearly all other general election results simply note which party/platform gained control, not who lost control. --Masem (t) 03:24, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, my fingers weren't following my brain there. Fixed. "Retain" or "keep" doesn't matter to me. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:32, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
weak-ish support very dubious as ITNR but still this is gonna shape the economy and it IS in the news.
Suggest a link to the main election page as governors is important too.Lihaas (talk) 04:53, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Enough House and Senate seats have been reported officially won to basically confirm the aforementioned results. Actual "official" results may take weeks, by which time this story will have become stale.--WaltCip (talk) 12:37, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thats all I was waiting for, now would be a fine time to post. What's wrong with bolding United_States_elections,_2018 all the articles in the blurbs above are awful. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Wikipedia is not a news ticker, and this is just a routine legislative election, not a change of government. If there's something out of the ordinary about it please tell us what that is and include it in the hook.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't some municipal by-election affecting a single province in the U.S. This is a per se general election which is ITN/R. The only thing that wasn't at stake was the head of state.--WaltCip (talk) 13:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's a change in power of the lower chamber. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:41, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) The general election article says In presidential systems, a general election is a regularly scheduled election where both the president, and [...] are elected at the same time. So by that definition it's not a general election. We wouldn't post an election of this nature from other countries either. Now there may be a case for saying this is exceptional for various reasons, which we can debate here, but it doesn't qualify automatically under ITNR. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 13:44, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This same article states later, specific to the United States, "General elections occur every two to six years (depending on the positions being filled with most positions good for four years) and include the presidential election". This is an example of such an election. The U.S. President is determined every four years. The mid-term election represents a changing of the guard of the legislative body, which is the lawmaking arm of the federal government. The Democrats assuming a majority in the U.S. House represents a fundamental change in direction of the country's legislation, as until then, both the House and the Senate were of a Republican majority, and the U.S. President is a Republican. That a President was not elected does not exclude this from being a general election.--WaltCip (talk) 13:49, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, that's fair enough then. I see we did also post a similar election in France last year too. Oppose struck. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 13:56, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the conversation that was just had regarding the significance of this election and that we've posted elections like this in the past, your comment strikes me as being tremendously ignorant. Struck out my comment as bad faith in retrospect, thought I do contend that this is not some "random legislative election" and that this marks a significant shift in the direction of the U.S. federal government. The President is not the King.--WaltCip (talk) 14:17, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A search of the archives indicates that legislative and parliamentary elections have indeed been previously posted, in "random countries" like Greece, Iceland, Iran, the Gambia, Lesotho, etc. SpencerT•C 15:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Do you even know what WP:ITN/R is? General elections are on there, and this was a general election. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:37, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Outside of a few races which are close, both articles are updated with last night's results. The few contested races are not going to change the broad swings in either House or Senate. --Masem (t) 14:57, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted altblurb 2. This is ITNR and is updated. I thought about posting a picture, but it seems unfair to post a picture of either Pelosi(the likely Speaker) or McConnell(the Senate leader). 331dot (talk) 15:09, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But is it updated? The lead (and infobox) for the House election doesn't currently (see here) mention who has won (and I for one have neither the time nor the inclination to try to update this myself, as I suspect it's not there because some editors insist the results are not yet official or whatever). So do we need to think about either temporarily pulling or amending our blurb? Tlhslobus (talk) 16:26, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The results within each state, where known, have been updated, but yes, the House lacked an overall update: I've added that (noting it is projections, sourced to NYTimes). Senate one had a similar line. So both are updated as best as we can at this point, barring the fact that official results won't be posted for a few weeks. --Masem (t) 17:04, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Masem. Tlhslobus (talk) 21:37, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) INS Arihant

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Article: INS Arihant (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nuclear submarine INS Arihant completes its first patrol. (Post)
News source(s): [29]
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Nominator's comments: India became the 6th country to compolete its nuclear triad, after US, Russia, China, UK, and France. 50.30.144.22 (talk) 05:37, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose only a one-sentence update to the article so far; the blurb doesn't communicate why this is important (and I'm not convinced yet this is an important milestone in the Indian nuclear program). power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:53, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. "6th to do X thing" isn't usually significant. This also would have been more notable upon its launch than the completion of its first task that it was built to do in the first place. 331dot (talk) 12:15, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, needs copyedit, refs, and expansion of the development phases section. Support on notability, a nuclear powered submarine firing nuclear armed SLBMs is not a trivial thing (even with Russian help), and I think it's a significant milestone in Indian military buildup even if the story isn't getting widespread coverage. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that when it fires an SLBM at someone, it would be notable. If this does not have widespread coverage, it is not "in the news". 331dot (talk) 12:22, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, the capability is a significant technical challenge, I'm not sure how you can be so dismissive of it. Last time I equated lack of widespread coverage to not being 'in the news' I was pretty thoroughly denigrated so careful sticking to that line of reasoning. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:27, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The article states that this submarine was based on a Russian submarine; they did not develop this themselves. 331dot (talk) 12:32, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Project 971 submarine is a fast attack boat, not an SSBN. Based on, maybe, but no carbon copy. The reactor was indigenous, and perhaps most importantly is the miniaturization of the nuclear warheads necessary to make them viable for SLBMs. I mean, this isn't the sixth time someone built the worlds tallest water slide, and while maybe the sea trials were a better time to nominate, absent a time machine, it's nominated now. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:39, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Even if we set aside the "posting the 6th of something" problem, the timing is a big issue as "the significance of the developments described" is nil, which is WHY it's not in the news. This nom fails to check almost all the ITN boxes. ghost 16:52, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not particularly notable and not in the news. And the blurb gives no indication as to why anyone should care about this at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:32, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Although a reasonably big event, ITN not really needed for this. Article needs expansion to convey importance of the news. Blurb needs rephrasing to even be considered. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 12:46, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The article gives no indication of whether this submarine is nuclear-armed, just that it is nuclear-powered (two very different things). Even if it does carry nuclear missiles, the sixth nuclear triad is not a major story, and the first cruise is a strange time to nominate it. India has had nuclear weapons for a long time. Modest Genius talk 13:02, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • I may be wrong, but I think (in the interest of secrecy) navies don't generally say "such-and-such boat has nuclear missiles." The article does state that this boat carries nuclear-capable missiles. ghost 13:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Donna Axum

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Article: Donna Axum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Arkansas Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has been updated and is well sourced. It is short, but as more reliable obits come out, the article will be appropriately expanded. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:26, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Ross Edgley becomes the first person to swim around Great Britain. The 1,780-mile (2,860 km) swim lasted 156 days. (BBC)

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  • 2018 European floods
    • Heavy floods affect Palermo in Sicily, Italy, killing twelve people. The total death toll of the floods and strong winds in the country rises to 31 people. (Teleacras)
  • 69.1 tonnes of C9 aromatic hydrocarbon are leaked into the ocean at a port in Quangang District, Quanzhou, China when a petrochemical company loads the cargo from its terminal into a chemical tanker and the aged hose coupling gasket breaks. Nearby aquaculture farms are contaminated, resulting in huge loss. Many fishermen and residents get sick from the leaked chemical, and 52 of them are hospitalized. Local authorities are accused of playing down the severity of the leakage. Discussion of the accident is suppressed on Weibo after the accident has become a hot topic. The company lies that the amount of leakage is 6.97 tonnes. (Splash 247) (Sing Tao Daily) (Shanghaiist) (Global Times)

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(Posted) New Caledonian independence referendum, 2018

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Article: New Caledonian independence referendum, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: New Caledonia votes against independence in a referendum. (Post)
Alternative blurb: New Caledonia votes to remain a collectivity of France.
News source(s): AP, ABC, Wall Street Journal, BBC
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Nominator's comments: At the time of nominating I think the article should be expanded, but the independence vote itself has inherent merits. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 17:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I stand corrected - nice work all round. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:00, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jeremy Heywood

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Article: Jeremy Heywood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Senior British civil servant. Article looks reasonable - Dumelow (talk) 10:56, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Lion Air Flight 610
    • An Indonesian Diving Rescue Team member dies while searching the debris from the passenger jet that crashed earlier this week near Jakarta. (ABC News)
  • A lorry loses control at a toll station in Lanzhou, China, killing at least 15 people and injuring 44 others. (BBC)
  • Colten Treu faces charges of vehicular homicide and drug related charges after he drove his car into a group of Girl Scouts collecting trash by the road, killing 3 and a mother along a Wisconsin highway (KSTP) Treu claimed his passenger was huffing Dust-Off and caused the accident by grabbing the wheel as he saw the scouts (Oxygen)

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(Posted) RD: Raymond Chow

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Article: Raymond Chow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Irish Independent
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hong Kong film producer responsible for launching martial arts and the Hong Kong cinema onto the international stage. Founder of the Golden Harvest. Launched the careers of Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan. --SirEdimon (talk) 23:21, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dumelow I added three references in order to resolve this issues. Please check it out. Regards.--SirEdimon (talk) 19:52, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support: looks OK to me - Dumelow (talk) 20:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Japan Series

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Article: 2018 Japan Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks defeat the Hiroshima Toyo Carp to win the Japan Series (MVP Takuya Kai pictured). (Post)
News source(s): [30]
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Game 6 section needs expansion, but the rest is ready. Should be minimally adequate now. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment a number of the refs are in Japanese, which I can't check. I get my back up a little when I see a whole paragraph with a single ref. For example "In Game 2, the Hawks started Rick van den Hurk." is not supported by the ref. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying Muboshgu
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    • @LaserLegs: Respectfully, the source (which does cover everything in that paragraph) does verify that van den Hurk started Game 2. Johnson (1-0) allowed four singles and a walk, while striking out seven at Hiroshima's Mazda Stadium to outduel right-hander Rick van den Hurk ... Van den Hurk (0-1) allowed five runs, three earned on eight hits. He struck out seven without issuing a walk. ... Van den Hurk fell to 1-1 with a 3.44 ERA, also in three career series starts. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:16, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Maybe it's because I'm not baseball-literate, but how do I infer that the Hawks started Hurk in Game 2? If I'm not capable of evaluating the refs in the article, that's ok. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:06, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • @LaserLegs: The text I quoted all talks about the results of the two starting pitchers: Kris Johnson and Rick van den Hurk. The very last part confirms that it's talking about van den Hurk's stats in the three games he has started in the Japan Series in his career. I get it's not the most direct language, and as a baseballphile I can take that for granted. I don't know who added the Japanese-language sources, but I assume they're accurate. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:12, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Completely agree. I'll try to give that a go tonight --TorsodogTalk 16:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I just expanded the lead. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) Assassination of Sami-ul-Haq

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Article: Sami-ul-Haq (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Pakistani cleric and former senator Sami-ul-Haq is stabbed to death in Rawalpindi. (Post)
News source(s): The Express Tribune, BBC, NYTimes
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the most influential religious figures in Pakistan, and a former senator. The assassination is probably notable enough for a blurb. Article is in decent shape pending update. EternalNomad (talk) 15:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment presently, the sources I see are linking this to the Asia Bibi story we have up there, but I'd wait to see what Western sources say about it. It might be worthwhile to modify the Asia Bibi blurb to something like "In the wake of Asia Bibi's acquitial,..." to introduce this, if there is a perceived connection there. --Masem (t) 15:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Finally, western sources are picking this up, but none of them directly connect the acquital to the reason for death (only that it can around the same time.) Agree that this does not then rise to a level of a blurb. --Masem (t) 15:31, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment what Masem said. If Asia Bibi hadn't already been posted I'd now support a combined blurb. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:13, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, weak oppose RD article needs a bit of work, but this is not a blurb, just as the acquittal story was not a blurb. We must certainly not make combined blurbs based on any kind of perceived connection. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Assassination of who is popularly known as Godfather of Taliban in the wake of Asia Bibi's acquitial is something very significant. --Saqib (talk) 16:00, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now: article needs a bit of work. First sentence of "career" needs rewriting into natural English. Second paragraph needs a reference at the end. Article sections and content are jumbled (why is "Early life" after career?, "Early life" includes things that happened in 2013). Would support RD if these are dealt with, not convinced yet about significance for a blurb - Dumelow (talk) 16:32, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose combo blurb for now. He was an ally of the ruling party, but at the same time he opposed the acquittal and had plans to join the protests.[31] So that is most likely related to the Bibi case one way or another. But we also shouldn't post them together unless we've established a clear connection. Sources are merely saying that the incident "comes at a sensitive time", which does not necessarily link the two. For all we know, this could be nothing more than a coincidence, or probably just an opportunistic hit while security forces are preoccupied. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 16:59, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Collapsing side discussion. SpencerT•C 15:31, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Look at me by all means. Neither of these "huge deals" are even on the main page of the BBC News homepage. And deliberately supporting a low quality article is somewhat flawed (looking at you Openlydialectic). Now quit the pathetic personalising and get on with making Wikipedia better for our readers, not a soapbox from which to attempt to right great wrongs. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:18, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    >Neither of these "huge deals" are even on the main page of the BBC News homepage.
    Neither of them are on the main page of North Korea's main news organization either, but most normal people don't look up to random state media outlets for verification of importance of a particular news piece Openlydialectic (talk) 20:16, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Get a grip and think twice before responding in such a fashion. On second thoughts, don't. It is a great example. Bravo! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:26, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just for context, that rating itself is of low importance. Everyone can just change it to whatever they like. That parameter has outlived its usefulness and is overdue to be removed from Wikiproject banners. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:31, 3 November 2018 (UTC).[reply]
  • Exactly. This "importance" rating parameter in the talk page template is basically random and essentially meaningless. It should not be taken into account when making decisions here at ITN. Nsk92 (talk) 11:23, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Mario Segale

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Article: Mario Segale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kotaku, BBC, NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Businessman and namesame of Nintendo's Mario. Happened on the 27th but it looks like the news just broke today. Feel free to move back to the 27th if appropriate. shoy (reactions) 17:43, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]