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Cite errors and unexpected reference list appearance

Hi all - I am writing this draft page: Draft:BLADE_(Graffiti_Artist). I built a reference list in advance so that I can insert them as I add content to the draft framework. I named the references anticipating I will be able to add them (possibly more than once) quickly in the body content. I inserted the first reference in this section: Draft:BLADE_(Graffiti_Artist)#Graffiti_artist. After wrangling with it and receiving several error messages I finally got it to where it is now. However, my reference list looks strange at the top. I have read the help pages on referencing basics, using Help:List-defined references and common errors, this being the page for the first error I received: Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text. Clearly, I am missing something and probably something rather simple. Thoughts? Thanks! Fiveohfive (talk) 20:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Fiveohfive: The thing you're missing is that references do not go in the "References" section—each reference should be inserted in the text of the article after the material it supports. The {{reflist}} template just displays a list of footnotes in the order that the references appear in the body of the article. Try looking at the source code of an established article (e.g., Claude Houghton) to see how this works. You can keep the list of references in the draft for now, but take them out of the {{reflist}} template and, if you keep them at the end of the draft, don't expect them to show up properly until you move them to the proper points in the text. Deor (talk) 20:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Removed all non-English content. David notMD (talk) 20:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Deor:Thank you, crystal clear. That jives with a different error I saw in the references list itself while I was experimenting. I appreciate the help!Fiveohfive (talk) 20:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Fiveohfive, is he called /biɛleɪdii/, or /bleɪd/, or something else? If /bleɪd/, then not "BLADE" but "Blade", and Draft:Blade (graffiti artist): see MoS. -- Hoary (talk) 07:30, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thanks for your input. This is an interesting discussion but not germane to my original question. I moved it into the draft article's talk page. If you or other editors are interested in weighing in on the discussion I welcome and encourage you to share your feedback in the talk page. Fiveohfive (talk) 18:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Crumpets

FYI

– Added section header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

anyone like crumpets??? Paula Lena Edinburgh (talk) 18:24, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Paula Lena Edinburgh Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, I like Crumpets - but more in the Wikipedia meaning of the word, than in the 1970s, demeaning British useage. But the Teahouse is really here to serve advice on editing Wikipedia, rather than buttered buns and crumpets. Do you need any assistance with any particular practical editing issue? Nick Moyes (talk) 19:03, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Why am I signed out?

Many times have I tried to ask why am I constantly signed out? But people keep asking questions and it's getting in my way I cannot say how infuriated I am. I tried to make a new section but this appeared right when I said to publish changes so like everything was like weird and stuff I'm new but I kept getting signed out this started like a few days ago it is a big issue I lost my old account and my new account and now I'm saying this without even using an account and I hate it so so so much 68.50.116.194 (talk) 18:29, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what's causing it, it could be some hacker or something. I hope you can help me. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 18:39, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Who is somebody and what do you need help with? Missbellanash (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Is there a way to recover my acc, because I have the passwords saved but like I try to log in to them but it won't work. But I don't want it to be like public and stuff so others can see it. It's 16-character for 1 and 40 digit for another? maybe that's too much or something, I don't know. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 18:45, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Open the browsers settings and read the password there under "saved passwords". Missbellanash (talk) 18:49, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. It sounds like you created either an account name which was far too long, or used a password which was equally unmanageable. See WP:LOSTPASSWORD if you registered your account with an email address. It could be worth simply abandoning those attempts if there were too many characters for you to remember them all, and starting again with something simpler and more memorable. In addition, make sure you give an email address so you can retrieve your new account, and tick the bock that says 'remember me'. I hope this helps, and that you have no further issues once you've sorted this. It certainly doesn't sound like you've been hacked. Because the Teahouse can be very busy, it is possible to have an EDITCONFLICT with other users here when you start to draft a question. I often copy my text before posting it so that I can paste it in a second time if something prevents me publishing those changes. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Are you clearing your cookies in your browser? If you delete your cookies, your browser doesn't have the ability to remain logged in to any website. (Thanks to Lee Vilenski for providing this answer in the Help desk recently.) GoingBatty (talk) 19:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

How to make infobox display "spouse", rather than "spouse(s)"?

How does one make an infobox display the word "spouse" as opposed to "spouse(s)", even when they never remarried. As an example, the infoxbox for Hilaire Belloc displays "spouse", while the box for Solange Hertz displays "spouse(s)", even though both appear to use the same format. PopeClementXV (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@PopeClementXV: That is because the two articles have different types of infobox. Hilaire Belloc uses Template:Infobox writer, and Solange Hertz uses Template:Infobox person. You could always start a discussion at Template talk:Infobox person and ask for input (maybe check the talk archives first to make sure that it isn't something that has been discussed a lot already). Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 18:35, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi PopeClementXV! I've been annoyed by that phenomenon, too, and that precise instance (the spouse(s) parameter in {{Infobox person}}) actually inspired me to look into the possibility of change. Previous discussion is at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_185#Infobox_plurality, then User:Sdkb/sandbox/early_drafts and its related talk page, and most recently Template_talk:Detect_singular#Override_function.

These are all quite technical, so as a new editor they likely won't be that accessible. But to boil it down, we have the ability to automatically determine whether the value for "spouse(s)" is singular or plural and to change it to either "spouse" or "spouses" accordingly. However, it's not 100% accurate, so we need to have an ability to override when it gets it wrong. That is very close to implementation (it just needs an admin to approve the code), and once that's done, I'll be seeking wider approval from the community to start fixes instances in infoboxes with (s) labels. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Show request as having been made

How do you show an edit request as having been made? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 09:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I usually mark them as

Done on the Talk Page after I've made the change, Occasionalpedestrian Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

You set the |answered= to no. ― Qwerfjkl talk 20:53, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Status of a contribution?

Hi, Wondering about the status of a page I submitted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Geoffrey_L._Cohen It doesn't appear that it's been rejected. I want to confirm that it's being reviewed. Thank you for any guidance. CBGBcomm (talk) 20:24, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As noted at the bottom of the draft, it is pending. This could take some time. Please see your user talk page for information about your username. 331dot (talk) 20:27, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I added the additional references requested and submitted again. Hopefully that helps. As for my username, it's not a company. I'll see what I can do to make sure it complies with wikipedia. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CBGBcomm (talk • contribs) 21:22, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Re: craeted a new page and moved to the wikipedia before revview

Hi I have created a new page Muhammad Azizul Islam. After creation I have moved to the wikipedia without review but the page still now not live. I do not know what to do. Can any one advise me as this is my first wikipedia page creation. Mshfuz1979 (talk) 23:56, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps you didn't read the answer which you received at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1127#Created a new page but not publishes on wikipedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 00:02, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Muhammad Azizul Islam was moved to Draft:Muhammad_Azizul_Islam where you can continue to work on it until you are ready to submit it for review. RudolfRed (talk) 00:04, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Mshfuz1979. The article you created as Muhammad Azizul Islam was draftified by another edit named আফতাবুজ্জামান (sorry I don't know how to pronounce that name) with this edit because they felt the "article" was not quite yet ready for Wikipedia. The same editor then tagged the draft with the maintenance templates {{Notability}} and {{Unreliable sources}} which might help explain that areas they feel still need improving before the draft is ready to be upgraded to article status. You can of course ask আফতাবুজ্জামান for more specific feedback at User talk:আফতাবুজ্জামান and perhaps they will respond, but please also take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (Wikipedia:Notability (people)) and Wikipedia:Reliable sources for some more general information on possible ways you can try to improve the draft. When an article is draftified by another editor, it's usually because that person feels there's quite a bit of potential for there to be a Wikipedia article written about the subject but that there are still some things lacking that need to be addressed. So, when you think you've addressed these issues and the draft is ready for submission, just click on the blue "Submit the draft for review!" near the top of the page and it will be added to the list of drafts waiting to be reviewed by an Articles for Creation reviewer. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Alan Singh

(Rajput Treachery and Mina Foster-father) The story of (THE MINAS: Seeking a Place in History) the subject in the book (The Social and the Symbolic: Volume II) is that of Alan Singh Chanda.^[1] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 02:30, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you please rephrase in the form of a question asking about what you actually want, instead of a non-sequitur? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

I infer, Karsan Chanda, that my suggestion in response to your earlier question did not appeal to you. -- Hoary (talk) 02:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Add this story to Alan Singh Chanda page? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 03:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

If you have suggestions to improve an article, you can discuss it on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 03:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda: You may continue adding information and reliable sources to Draft:Alan Singh. GoingBatty (talk) 04:29, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

References

^ The Social and the Symbolic: Volume II.

Proxy issue

Hello Wikipedians at the teahouse, I have an issue that I will like you to help me on.

My IP address was blocked from editing in turn blocking me due to an open proxy on my Opera Mini and this constantly happens even after I appeal the block.

My questions are;

1. How do you I turn off proxy on my Opera Mini on mobile?

2. Why do the admins temporarily unblock me then block me again because I asked these questions due to me being temporarily unblocked?

Thank you. Josedimaria237 (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2021 (UTC) Josedimaria237 (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237 Your registered account has never been blocked (see here), but the IP address(es) used by Opera's VPN will be blocked. I have experienced this myself when using Opera, so would use other browsers under those circumstances. As to Q1, that is something for you to Google to find the answer yourself, I fear. As to Q2, I suspect that Opera changes the IP address it uses for its VPN from time to time, so these new ones would then get blocked. Best solution is to always be logged in when editing Wikipedia, and not through a browser using a VPN. I hope this addresses your questions. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Does Opera Mini use VPN because I don't use VPN? I am always logged in on Wikipedia. Josedimaria237 (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237 I can't comment on Opera Mini, but my Windows desktop Opera browser does (or at least that's how it always runs on my system). You'd have to give us some of the IP addresses that you say were blocked, but your own user account never has been. Bear in mind I'm not hugely technical, so others may have different opinions to offer here. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237 and Nick Moyes: IIRC, Opera Mini routes internet traffic through their own servers in order to reduce data usage significantly; I used it when I had a quite limited data plan, but I was not a Wikipedian back then. I guess that is why on our side it is showing as a VPN instead of using the actual IP address. Not sure if that feature can be turned off, though. –FlyingAce^✈hello 18:54, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes and FlyingAce: So what are your advice? Should I stop using Opera Mini to edit Wikipedia? Josedimaria237 (talk) 19:24, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237: Are you having issues while logged in? Like Nick mentioned, your account doesn't have any history of blocks, so I believe you should be able to edit while logged in. Give it a try and let us know how it goes :) –FlyingAce^✈hello 04:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237 Personally, I would not use Opera, but would choose a browser that does not hide my IP address. Safari, Chrome, Firefox, Ecosia all work fine for me, but not Opera. I use the latter for specific occasions when I want to hide my IP address. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

New article

What are the minimum basic source to write an article about a person? is Newspaper, websites, or Internet source okay? I heard that, last 6 months news coverage was needed, is it right? What about most senior technicians but they don't have any news coverage previously? Some people were really popular but didn't have news coverage or in Wikipedia, how we handle that. Induvadhone (talk) 01:22, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

hi @Induvadhone! you may be looking for WP:NOTABILITY, and generally yes you would need significant coverage in reliable sources (not just passing mentions) to be considered notable, so for instance people who are popular but didn't receive enough significant news coverage wouldn't be notable enough for wikipedia. however aside from that, any kind of source is allowed, just as long that it is reliable. happy editing! melecie t 01:50, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Induvadhone Hello and welcome to the teahouse. You are writing about a person, so you should (as well as Wikipedia:Notability) read up on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. _Signed,Pichemist ^(Talk) 08:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Mshfuz1979 (talk) 23:46, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

hi there @Mshfuz1979: and welcome to the teahouse! do you have any questions regarding wikipedia? melecie t 01:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi! @Mshfuz1979. Welcome to the teahouse. Please avoid starting new 'void' threads on the teahouse as it subtracts time from the volunteers that assist people here. _Signed,Pichemist ^(Talk) 08:18, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Why the prime minister of Pakistan gives not fund Saigol Abad

Khawaja Uzaima (talk) 09:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Khawaja Uzaima You would have to ask the Pakistani Prime Minister's office. This page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia, it is not a general question asking forum. You could try the Reference Desk. 331dot (talk) 09:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with understanding deletion

Hello Firstly I am a new editor. I read up each section and printed the info relating to edit, photo and referencing to get it as right as I could.

Handed down in the family are Alf Collins documents and photos etc which are all over 100 years old and are based on fact of this Victorian/Edwardian film pioneer. Sadly there is little known in the public domain and he is known to the film world as the Forgotten Film Pioneer.

Wikipedia seemed the ideal place to introduce Alf.

Referencing 100 year old information was going to be a challenge and decided to start with an event held in 2014 called Gaumont Comes Home which was supported by BFI (British Film Institute)and it brought Alf Collins back into the online history books.

We have no monetary gain in any way and we are not employed by anybody. We are using facts not assumptions.

We have no idea at all how to move forward. We cannot even see the article to amend it. We have no idea what you want us to amend or what is ok! Or how to do it. Even the Photo of Alf was deleted and we do not understand why.

Can you help us please we are not terribly IT savy and find your instructions hard to follow.

Thank you Alfred Collins Archive (talk) 09:57, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Alfred Collins Archive Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The article exists at Alf Collins. Your edits are still in the edit history([1]) even though they were removed from the article. I would note that if "Alfred Collins Archive" is an organization, you will need to change your username at Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS; accounts are for individuals(though you don't need to use your real name).

Wikipedia is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about a topic. It isn't a place to just tell about someone, nor is it a place to post content derived from sources that are not avaiable to the public for verification. Note this does not mean the sources have to be online, but they do need to be available to the public- documents or sources in private hands are not acceptable for Wikipedia content. If you just want to share your information with the world, you should do so on social media or a website that you own and operate. (free webhosting can often be found) If you do have publicly available sources, I would suggest posting on the article talk page (Talk:Alf Collins) a formal edit request(by including {{request edit}} in your post) detailing the changes you are interested in making and the sources you have to support them. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Show wikipidea to all

How to make wikipidea public to all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammad Arif Hasan (talk • contribs) 11:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

You'd have to install very different governments in such nations as China and Burma, Mohammad Arif Hasan. See Censorship of Wikipedia for more about this. (Or were you thinking of some other aspect of public availability?) -- Hoary (talk) 12:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Help finding deleted page copy.

I am looking for a page that was deleted titled "Rights Based Ethics". Some information was simply moved to other pages such as if I am not mistaken Rights Based Development, however much of it I am unable to find anymore. StellarRemant (talk) 12:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@StellarRemant, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, was the article deleted or merged? Im sorry but the wordings of your entry are a little bit vague but I’d try to respond based on the original question, you see, you cannot find a deleted article. If an article is deleted from mainspace, what you want to do is contact the admin who deleted the article they are in a better position to be of assistance. Celestina007 (talk) 13:03, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Fuad Hamza page

Hi, i tried to correct erroneous information on Fuad Hamza's page, but an editor has undone the update i had done. It was written that Fuad Hamza was from Palestine, and the proof presented for this was from a single source, a PhD that had it wrong. Fuad Hamza is a famous personality in Lebanon's history, and hails from the village of Aabay in Lebanon. There is also further below a reference that he was a Druze from Syria -- which is also wrong.

I presented this evidence, which thought was recent:

https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1262053/lebanon-saudi-arabia-the-story-of-a-family-rupture.html

You can also find in various respected resources that Fuad Hamza is a member of the Druze community in Lebanon: 1-https://books.google.ae/books?id=oCeA299j1rsC&pg=PA77&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=hamza&f=false Page 340 2-https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA111290.pdf Page 57

Unless I did something technically wrong as an editor in the way I tried to correct this?

Thank you Wikialma 12:45, 29 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikialma (talk • contribs)

@Wikialma, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the most productive thing to do in cases such as this is to go to the talk page of that article and try to initiate a conversation with the editor who un-did your contribution & try to reach a consensus or a sort of compromise. Celestina007 (talk) 13:07, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Wikialma: The process that Celestina007 kindly shared is detailed at the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:29, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Help

Hello, I am trying to link the page James Horton (Medal of Honor, 1864) To the List of American Civil War Medal of Honor recipients: G–L as just his name James Horton but it links as the full page title. If someone could help display just his name that would be great. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 13:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Tricky because it's in a table that sorts by name. Hopefully someone else knows. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy, you mean like this; James Horton? If yes then just use the source code from this response, copy it and paste it there and it would appear as James Horton Celestina007 (talk) 13:53, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Not in this case I think, the "context" is {{nowrap|{{Sortname|James|Horton (Medal of Honor, 1864)}}}} Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:58, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång thank you for the ping my friend, I honestly wasn’t sure what they wanted. Thanks for the ping once more. Celestina007 (talk) 14:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Question about languages in the Main Page

Why are some languages shown in the sidebar of the Main Page, but not on the "Wikipedia languages" section, and vice versa? /gen For example, Bengali and Georgian are shown in the sidebar, but not the WP languages section, and Asturian is shown in that section, but not the sidebar. Dazzling Gleam ^{(talk | contributions)} 12:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Both the main page sidebar list of languages and the Wikipedia languages section is a subset of the total number of existing Wikipedias. I think they are supposed to be the same subset, so maybe it's just a matter of someone adding a language to one template and not the other. The sidebar is described at Template:Main_Page_interwikis and the Languages at Template:Wikipedia languages; both templates have talk pages where requests for adding new entries can be made. --bonadea contributions talk 21:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I see, thanks! Dazzling Gleam ^{(talk | contributions)} 14:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

CITATION

HELP CITATION

Hi everyone,

We have English profile for the company named ZSSK (Link : https://www.zssk.sk/en/) in Slovakia for the main purpose - manage the actual information about the company and upgrade the data, which can help the customers and the habitant as well for the project or for their own knowledge.

I had tried to change and update the newest data and information about the ZSSK profile in the English version. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDelezni%C4%8Dn%C3%A1_spolo%C4%8Dnos%C5%A5_Slovensko

I had tried to give after every paragraph citation with the source. I found out that you recommend "Avoid embedded links". Unfortunately, mandatory of sources are web links. Do you mind giving me advice and showing examples of how to make it correctly?

Thanks in advance ZSSK general (talk) 14:06, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@ZSSK general hello and welcome to the Teahouse, pardon me and correct me if I’m not assimilating or interpreting this correctly, are you saying that you intend to add a source in order to aid customers? In what capacity are you seeking to aid this customers? If it is in anyway promotional then I’m afraid Wikipedia isn’t for such purposes. In any case to cite properly please read WP:REFB and WP:CITE. Celestina007 (talk) 14:29, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@ZSSK general: (edit conflict) Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse. I am afraid I have to tell you that Wikipedia has encyclopedic Articles (not profiles, that is a social media term, but we are not social media), as in this case about ZSSK. Any article on Wikipedia should almost entirely based on what independent, reliable sources have written about the subject, in this case ZSSK. Wikipedia articles are not controlled by the subject, and not for the benefit of the subject (although that might be a side effect). I see you have declared paid, however, I am afriad that you need to change your username, because we don't allow usernames soely consisting of a company name, nor role accounts. You can use either WP:CHUS or Special:GlobalRenameRequest to request a change. With regards to citations, Wikipedia makes a distinction between plain links embed into the article text like this one, and inline citations which will look similar to this:^[1]. The second format is allowed, this first one is not. See Help:Referencing for beginners for more details. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

References

^ Alan Smithee. "Example domain". Example. Retrieved 29 October 2021.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

(edit conflict) @ZSSK general: Thank you for declaring your COI on your user page. Since you have a COI, you should not be editing the Železničná spoločnosť Slovensko directly. Instead, you may post suggestions on the article's talk page Talk:Železničná spoločnosť Slovensko - with the {{request edit}} template. You could also use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. In either case, a neutral editor will respond to your request for assistance. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Use of sandbox

Hi, when I want to look in my list of contributions I sometimes find it stuffed full of records of edits I have made when using my Sandbox. Is there any way of stopping sandbox edits showing up in the contribution list? Thanks RoachPeter (talk) 14:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@RoachPeter I don't think so. You can search your contributions with different parameters, but afaik you can't change the default appearance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:29, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@RoachPeter: On your contributions page, you can click the "Search for contributions" section and select the namespace "(Article)" and then click the "Search" button, which will only show your edits to articles. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 14:36, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Conservis Corporation is now legally "Conservis LLC"

I'm looking to update the existing "Conservis corporation" name to the current legal name, "Conservis LLC" which went into effect in July 2021. Kej4peace (talk) 16:30, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kej4peace: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can request the name change at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Note that "Conservis" would be the preferable article name per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:50, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

What is --- > " | " called?

. then more stuff close brackets ] ] format. Was curious if anyone can tell me what that middle long "bar" thing is called? I like to use the proper terminology, and had no idea what to search for, so I just figured I'd ask...

Also, I came up with a little mnemonic that helps me to remember the brackets order, "the first part of the brackets is where a link GOES, the next part is what it SHOWS".... So, [ [goes|shows] ], in case that wasn't clear. Feel free to "steal" that little mnemonic. It is how my brain works. "Goes,shows". Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 14:37, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

The bar symbol is most often called a pipe, but our article for it is at vertical bar. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:39, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue, what my senior colleague Grapple X just told you is very apt. To grasp this better you may want to read WP:PIPE and also you may want to read WP:NOPIPE for when not to pipe. Celestina007 (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Link about a person leads to disambig page with intended target not clear

Hello! So while looking at the Liberty Mutual page (which I came across via Special:Random), in the advertising section it mentions that the character "Doug" in their TV commercials is played by actor David Hoffman, however the link to David Hoffman links to the disambig page for people with the name and I can't tell which of the people (if any) on the disambig page is the intended target as none of their brief descriptions describes them as an actor. So what should I do in this case? Remove the link or is there a template I can use to signify that the disambig page target is unclear? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:22, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf, you're looking for {{Disambiguation needed}}. I'll add a disambiguation to Template:Disambiguation. (How's that for meta?) Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:34, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! THere's a chance the correct article may not exist but I've added the template just in case. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:39, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Don't know how to report suspected vandalism on the English page for Nelson Mandela

Hello (& Thank you)

I was reading this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela

And on the Info Box of the page, it states that as "19th Secretary General of the Non-Aligned Movement" he was preceded by 'another Colombian ex-president!'.

Don't know how to track down if it is an act of vandalism or some mistake?. But since this is a semi-protected page, with apparently lots of attempts of vandalism, better to check with someone who knows well the ropes here, and who can edit it there is a mistake.

I'll be very happy to read if someone reads this message (my first time here).

Best Wishes to all & Keep on Rocking for the Free World! Cheers.. PJ Pearl Jam (talk) 18:05, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@PJ Pearl Jam: The article at Andrés Pastrana Arango confirms that he was the 18th Secretary General, so if that's vandalism it's pretty extensive.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@PJ Pearl Jam, the talk page for Mandela is likely to be active, so I would start a discussion at Talk:Nelson Mandela. If you provide links to reliable sources that back up your viewpoint, others will likely agree to change it. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:23, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)PJ Pearl Jam, on the broader question, the place to report ongoing vandalism is Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Talk: Nelson Mandela is the place to discuss this specific issue. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all for the prompt replies! All good, it was my mistake then.. Can I then simply delete this entry here at the Tea-House then to avoid unnecessary entries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PJ Pearl Jam (talk • contribs)

No, please don't. We all make mistakes but the convention is not to delete entries on Talk Pages. If you change your mind about something you can ~~use strike out to show that~~ in your own previous comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you very much for the guidance! Sorry if I was too quick into trying to use this page. Best Wishes to all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PJ Pearl Jam (talk • contribs) 19:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Hacked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Shriver#Early_life

Someone has been "playing" with Marie Shriver's page, adding snide remarks and false information. I erased a couple of phrases, but I don't have the time or inclination to check over the whole article. I did notice that the California Governor's are listed incorrectly before and after Arnold, but again I'm not interested in taking on this project. Hopefully, someone will. 98.247.39.195 (talk) 19:36, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

An IP editor appearing as 2600, 2601, 2603 has been vandalizing Maria Shriver and other articles (Seth Herzog, Sarah Silverman, Bobby Shriver, others) and so far all reverted by you and several other editors. For MS especially, appears that there are enough active watchers for you to not feel obligated to continue. David notMD (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Uploading gif image to mood ring site

Howdy. Since they say I'm too closely associated with the mood ring article (as the original inventor), how can I get someone to add some pertinent text with some references? Thx and have a nice weekend. Moodman001 (talk) 19:09, 29 October 2021 (UTC) Moodman001 (talk) 19:09, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

You can visit the article's talk page and use the template {{Request edit}} to specify what you'd like to see changed. Another editor can then either concur with the request and make the edit, or disagree and discuss it with you. Just make sure to include specifics ("change XYZ to ABC") with the request. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 19:13, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Moodman001: In our previous conversation, I also suggested that you could use Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thanks for your efforts to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 21:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

My University's Wiki is horribly out of date. What can I do?

I am an employee of Fairleigh Dickinson University, which has a wiki entry here. Our University underwent a major restructuring, including the elimination of college and the additions of smaller specialized schools. I need to have that information changed.

In addition, our web servers have been changed, so any citations that linked to our older webpages are now dead. Can I put in new links for these leading to the same information?

I sae that the changes should be listed in a talk message. Because they are quite extensive, I wanted to check with you first. Please let me know how to proceed.

Thank you. Rebecca Maxon Associate Director of Communications Fairleigh Dickinson University

Rebecca Maxon at Fairleigh Dickinson University (talk) 19:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Rebecca Maxon at Fairleigh Dickinson University Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. An editor has posted some information about this on your user talk page, I think it will answer your questions. In short, you should propose edits on the article talk page. Before that, you will need to make a formal paid editing disclosure. Please be aware that the main purpose of a Wikipedia article is to summarize independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Rebecca Maxon at Fairleigh Dickinson University: When you post on Talk:Fairleigh Dickinson University, I suggest you take it slowly, as some editors may respond better to making a small change than a large rewrite. Start with posting your most important change with a reliable source. When that change has been made, then post your second most important suggestion. This will take longer, but hopefully will be more successful for you. Hope this helps, and thanks for your desire to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 21:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, correcting URLs is both trivial and useful, and I think that a paid editor can do that kind of routine maintenance. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:30, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_compression#History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_membrane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_toxicity 207.62.246.200 (talk) 21:43, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP and welcome to the teahouse. Do you have a question that goes with these links IP? MarnetteD|Talk 21:49, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Energy Table in Wikipedia

Hi everyone! I work for a non-profit called Aspen Global Change Institute (AGCI). Over the last 6 years, we have curated an online resource called the Energy Table (agci.org/energy_table), a comprehensive table for global energy statistics, ranging from the availability of energy sources to energy storage data. Each data point is individually referenced and linked to the online reference, there is a glossary that describes all of the terms in this table, and each energy resource can also be further explored. There is a curriculum available with a number of questions that use the data from the table, aimed at students who want to learn more about global energy statistics.

Some lessons we have learned from it: It's unique: There is not a comprehensive energy data online resource such as this; it functions as a one-stop-shop for updated energy data. It's valuable: Students, consultants, and the general public have access to updated quality statistics produced by world-leading scientific organizations. It's hard for AGCI to maintain: AGCI has done maintenance for the past 6 years, updating data points once/year. It takes us many hours to review and update the data points, and many data points could be updated more frequently. It could be reaching a broader audience: While we have seen consistent visits over the years, we know that this resource has the potential to reach a much broader audience.

Because of these lessons, I believe the energy table would fit better in Wikipedia. This would increase its use as well as the data updating schedule, which would make it more precise and accurate.

I do not have much experience with uploading content to Wikipedia, so I would appreciate it if experienced volunteers could let me know if what I have in mind is viable, and what would be the best approach to getting it done.

Thank you very much for your comments, ideas, suggestions, and contributions! MartinBonzi (talk) 21:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@MartinBonzi Hi Martin, and welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your most unusual and interesting post. If I understand you correctly, rather than hoping for an article about your organisation, you'd be interested in moving this very large data table (based upon numerous reliably published international sources) from your own website to one maintained on Wikipedia? At first sight, that might seem counter-intuitive, but I can see a rationale for making summary data on global energy sources much more widely available on Wikipedia in the relevant article. (I haven't checked, but maybe there is already something akin to it, albeit much simpler than your own?). I do know that other scientists have in the past made similar decisions to publish detailed information on Wikipedia so as to make it more widely available. (For example, some years ago the Sanger institute at Cambridge decided to publish all its human genome and protein data on Wikipedia some years ago, and I created a very short video interview with someone involved in that project, which shows that Wikipedia can be used by serious scientific research as well as for general education. See HERE at 6min 25 secs in).

I do have some concerns with your idea. One is that it looks immensely complex - possibly too complex for Wikipedia, and would not only need the same level of maintenance to keep it up to date, but would potentially be prone to the routine vandalism we get - so monitoring for that would be essential. Wikipedia is only in English, and a better route for managing data like this could be done through a related Wikimedia Foundation project, known as WIKIDATA. Unfortunately I have no real knowledge of Wikidata myself, but believe this could be an avenue far more worth exploring, as it has many potential uses, and data held within it can be used in multiple languages. So, I'm going to ping User:Ainali who is a whizz in that field, and also has strong interests in Sustainability and Climate Change (see also Wikipedia:WikiProject Energy and m:Wikimedians_for_Sustainable_Development). He might wish to comment.

Now, I'm not sure I can help you much further myself - and I suspect some Wikipedia editors might think your proposal wouldn't work here at all. But I do think there's potential to explore it further, especially as the topics that your data tables relate to are definitely WP:NOTABLE in themselves, though I'm not sure which other doors to recommend you push at. I suspect you may already know what current articles cite data taken from your collated datatables or use the original sources, or even which articles here could be improved by accessing the better sources that your academic team curates. So, creating a list of these could, itself, be helpful in any discussions. I hope this reply is at least not totally discouraging and proves to be of some use to you and your team of academics. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

How do I format an image on a custom userbox?

I was having fun customizing my userpage with various userboxes to experiment. I decided to make my own because, well, it's an open source platform. So I went to Wikipedia:Userboxes to copy code because I'm lazy. So I copied it over, put my joke about Cincinnati chili, and went on. But once I got to the id, I wanted to put in an image. So I tried an image of the aforementioned food, but it was huge. So I tried putting the wanted pixel ratio before the image name, but it didn't work. In the end I settled for copying the use this file button on commons and putting it on my userbox. The formatting is all messed up but it's the best I can do right now. The image I used is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Skyline_4-way.jpg SodaSoummelier (talk) 01:11, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

try this code:

This user eats whatever Cincinnatians think chili is.

{{Userbox
| border-c = #845422
| border-s = 1
| id-c = brown
| id-s = 14
| id-fc = black
| info-c = #EEE
| info-s = 8
| info-fc = black
| id = [[File:Skyline 4-way.jpg|Skyline 4-way|48px]]
| info = This user eats whatever '''[[Cincinnati chili|Cincinnatians think chili is]]'''.
| float = left }}

generally, userboxes don't use thumbnails (images with thumb attached). happy editing and userbox creating! melecie t 01:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

pinging @SodaSoummelier: melecie t 02:02, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! :) SodaSoummelier (talk) 02:24, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

How to add my village in wikipidea

Sir I want to add my village in wikipidea so tell me what type of refrece i used and what material i would have to be used in article. Mohammad Arif Hasan (talk) 03:32, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi! You should read WP:NCITY. After that, read WP:GNG, followed by WP:YFA. so many abbreviations WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 04:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Mohammad Arif Hasan (talk) I looked at Draft:Makanpur, Fatehpur district and learned that the village exists, and that males and females live there, but I didn't learn why this village is different than any other location. When did Makanpur become a village? Who were the first people to settle there? Are there any businesses located there? Did a notable person ever live there?

You can't just write down what you know because you live there, you need to tell in your own words what others have written and gotten published. Is there a local newspaper that has written articles about the history of the village? Did someone publish a book about Fatehpur district or Uttar Pradesh that has a page that tells about the village? Is there a government document that reports on a school in Makanpur? You need to find references that tell something about the village, then you need to use your own words to add that to the draft you started, and add a reference that will let readers know where the information came from. Writing an article is hard work, and it may take you weeks to find good references that tell about your village. Take your time and find what you need so you can improve your draft and resubmit it for review. A reviewer has written that if the draft is resubmitted rapidly again it may be nominated for deletion, and you might not be able to work on the draft anymore to try and improve it. It is important for you to take as much time as is needed to find published sources for information about your village. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:55, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

AFD close related issue

Can a non-admin close an AFD discussion? When the discussion have very less number of participants. And the author himself commented from a ip. Trakinwiki (talk) 18:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

WP:NACD is the best guide here. When in doubt, or if things seem closely contested with good arguments on both sides, defer to an admin, but if it's straightforward you may be able to close it. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 18:52, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Echoing Grapple X, furthermore, @Trakinwiki, no, non admins can only close AFD’s if any criterion from WP:CSK is met, say for example, the amount of keep !votes are overwhelming within a very short span, then it can be closed as Speedy Keep, see WP:CSK once again to understand what I’m saying, asides that no they can’t, that would generally fall under WP:BADNAC If an AFD has run its course without participants it is treated as an expired prod and it is soft deleted. Furthermore if you are suspecting an IP address & the creator of the article to be one and the same person, and commenting simultaneously in an AFD, that is a form of socking to WP:GAME the output of an AFD, which is quite a serious transgression on this project. you can file an official report at WP:SPI. Celestina007 (talk) 19:06, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: thank you for your response. Can you please check this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim zəngin olmaq istəyir? Milyonların Şousu as I am not so experienced. Trakinwiki (talk) 06:36, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Article of notable actor

i have just edited my first article on a notable #Indianactor, CAN SOMEONE GUIDE ME further on for its approval.and also can you suggest me the best template for actors and filmmaker's as that is my area of interest. thanks n regards SourceRight (talk) 06:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! If you haven't already done so, please read Your first article, Notability, Notability – actors, Biographies of living persons, Verifiability, Reliable sources, and Referencing for beginners. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 06:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Jonita Doda Eevee01^(talk) 07:05, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with new editor

Danielanghan (talk · contribs)

Can someone help with this new editor? It looks like they are a good faith editor who is trying to make some additions to the Kamantan people article, but are having some typical new user issues with the content. I recognize that I'm not the greatest of coaches, so I was hoping someone else could give some better guidance than I have done. I protected the page to slow him down a bit so they could read and learn, but that's ending in a few hours. Thanks. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 21:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

My sympathies, that was rather disruptive! His main gig is as an entrepreneur, in case you didn't notice. I've left him a detailed message on his talk.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:53, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Questions about alternate account

I created an alternate account some days ago so that I could edit by that account if this account gets in problem. I have no other alternate accounts except Ahp554. Will it be legible or illegible? If it is illegible, how can I close the connections with that account? — Ahp101 ^{To discuss?} 07:27, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

But User:Ahp554 says, This user is an alternative account of User:DelowerHossain554. So, how many accounts do you really have? And what are the "problems" you had with your accounts? ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 07:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

DelowerHossain554 was my previous username. Go to DelowerHossain554 user page, and you will see that it will redirect to my user page. That's why I was saying that if it is legible or illegible. — Ahp101 ^{To discuss?} 07:50, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

If you mean, is it legal to have more than one account: yes, but it is usually not recommended. If you really need to have more than one account, you should declare all of your alternative accounts as detailed on Using multiple accounts. It sounds like you should also read User account security.

You usually cannot delete an account. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 08:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. I was really worried about Sockpuppetry policy that if it would delete my accounts. Thank you again for ensuring me. — Ahp101 ^{To discuss?} 08:20, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ahp101 That is not an acceptable reason for creating a second account! If this account “gets into trouble” and is blocked by an admin like me, you would not be permitted to use any other account until the block period had expired. Equally, if you’re worried about being hacked, simply choose a stronger password, and register an email address in the event you forget it. A valid reason for using a second, alternate account (which would be if you wanted occasionally to edit from an insecure public WiFi hotspot. The link between (and the purpose for) each account should be ‘’very’’ clear. Using both at once would open you to being permanently blocked from all editing as a WP:SOCKPUPPET, so proceed with caution, please. Should you ‘’genuinely’’ believe this reason applies to you, I suggest you remove all userboxes from the alternate account, pointing properly to you current name of account (not the DowerHussain redirect), and make it clear all comments and notices should go on Ahp101. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:21, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thank you @Nick Moyes. Although I have cleared the userboxes from my alternate account and pointed the current username recently. What shall I do next? — Ahp101 ^{To discuss?} 08:27, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ahp101 Simply decide whether you actually need it, then explain why you have it on its userpage. "Getting into trouble" is not a valid reason for it. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:50, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I have thought that I don't need that account. I have faced no problems till now. — Ahp101 ^{To discuss?} 12:56, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Then simply abandon it, forget the password and never use it again. Ever. That is the best thing. Just remove the phrase first about 'getting into trouble' (though you can edit that account's userpage from your main account at any time. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:17, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, done! — Ahp101 ^{To discuss?} 13:22, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Review previously removed copy

Greetings, happy weekend. I just noticed a few days ago that a whole (middle) section of the Mood ring article was removed. Not sure I did it accidentally or not.... but how can I retrieve to at least loom at whet was once there? Thx again!!! Moodman001 (talk) 15:35, 30 October 2021 (UTC) Moodman001 (talk) 15:35, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

View history shows all earlier edits in chronological order. Clicking on "prev" on the left shows the exact changes (additions or deletions). Given your conflict of interest as the (claimed) inventor of the Mood Ring, you are prohibited from editing the article directly. Instead, you are instructed to propose changes on the Talk page of the article, so that a non-involved editor can decide to include or not. See Wikipedia:Edit requests for process. I understand this sounds unfair.

By the way, this article has a contentious history dating back to 2004, including edits by a person (DreamBeliever2238) who claimed to be a child of the inventor. See Talk page. David notMD (talk) 16:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Locate previous article for specific edit numbers within my contributions.

Is there a way to find a specific edit number's article within my contributions list? In other words, is it possible to locate the article for, let's say as an example, edit number 389? If so, what's the procedure (without something like Excel)? Do I need a bot? CYAce01 (talk) 14:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, CYAce01. By edit number 389, do you mean your 389th edit? Cordless Larry (talk) 15:52, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Or any random "nth" edit. CYAce01 (talk) 17:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think I've seen a tool that can do that, but others might know of something. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:28, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Correction: Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters lists a tool called Milestone, but apparently it's out of action. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Hello I want to add to a player how many games he has played and how many goals he has scored, it's about PFC Ludogorets Razgrad and A.C. Milan how it goes Stef4o90 (talk) 16:26, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Stef4o90, we apologize for taking a while before responding. If you want to update an article, go the article and just edit it by clicking on the “pen like image” having done so except the article is protected, you should be able to edit the article to reflect current statistics, the trick is to use reliable sources to substantiate your inputs. Celestina007 (talk) 21:21, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Greater Manchester articles

The user https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zynthetik#Your_edits

Thinks certain articles should be changed to suburbs of Manchester and that human settlement in England is bland boring and unhelpful.

I've said my reasons and why a concensus should be sought after before changing long established articles on wiki.

DragonofBatley (talk) 20:49, 30 October 2021 (UTC) DragonofBatley (talk) 20:49, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@DragonofBatley hello, could you please not post the same question at diverse venues? I just replied you at ANI, but I don’t mind repeating myself, the appropriate venue for protecting articles as your question indicated at ANI, is WP:RFPP, that is a venue where you may want to file for a page to be protected. Celestina007 (talk) 21:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

You and Zynthetik are disagreeing at several articles, including Middleton, Greater Manchester, and you have initiated a discussion on Z's Talk page. Article protection is a standard response to persistent vandalism, but I get the sense that both of you are editing in god faith. Please remain patient. Disagree with content, but do not be disagreeable toward other editors. David notMD (talk) 21:22, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding photograph of business taken from sidewalk

Hello Teahouse users,

I am very new to Wikipedia (editing pages as part of a school assignment), and have a question about adding images to existing articles.

I took a photograph from the sidewalk of the front of a cafe that I enjoy that has a Wikipedia page. There are some pedestrians and cafe-goers included in the photo. Am I allowed to add this to the cafe's page?

My more general question is, can I add photos that I myself take of businesses that do not include trademarks or logos from a public space (the sidewalk)? And, what about photos taken in the interior of the business?

Many thanks for any guidance on this. Clayrey (talk) 18:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Clayrey! So the world of copyright is ~~utterly bonkers~~ rather complex, so the answer is that it depends whether or not your country has freedom of panorama, and if not there are complexities. But from the Simmons tag on your user page, I'm guessing you may be in the U.S., in which case the answer is simpler: yes, you can add the photo. Just go to the upload wizard and choose the "own work" option for the license, and then add it to the article (let us know if you need any help with the process; there's some info at Help:Introduction to images with VisualEditor/Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup) It would be great to have a photo for a previously unillustrated article! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the people in the photo, if they are prominent, you could add the commons:Template:Personality rights tag to the Commons page, but that's optional. Regarding images that include trademarks/logos, I'm not too sure about that, but my (poorly educated) guess would be that it's okay so long as they are just incidentally included in the image rather than the focus of it. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Hi! Thank you very much for your speedy and informative response. I had previously checked out the Wikipedia freedom of panorama page, and was still pretty confused. So, your summarization of U.S. rules is much appreciated. And yes, I am looking forward to adding an image to the page of a business that I love, but that is hereto unillustrated!

Thank you again! Clayrey (talk) 18:53, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Clayrey I wonder: are you interested in adding images to other Wikipedia articles that exist near to your location? If so, there's a really neat tool to help you locate them on a map. I could dig out the link if you are interested (though right this moment it has escaped me, but I'd be happy to get back to you on that. Just let me know.) Nick Moyes (talk) 20:50, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

One way to see them (though not the one I was thinking of) is to go Special:Nearby and allow it to use your location to list article. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:54, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

One of the mappable methods I was thinking of is to use https://copernix.io/ This is also useful for checking the coordinates given in an article, as well as checking to see if it already has a good photo. If you find your favourite shop is shown in the middle of a lake (or vice versa) then the coordinates need fixing in the article. There's another tool I know I've seen, and wanted to recommend, but can't lay my hands on the link right now, sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:03, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Clayrey: If you use the Wikipedia App, the Places feature shows you a map of nearby locations that have Wikipedia articles. Zooming in a little shows whether the article has a photo or not. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes:@GoingBatty: Thank you for these tips! Checking out copernix.io now. Clayrey (talk) 21:28, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Russian Wiki

Any known issues of political censorship on Russian Wiki? Hi guys of English speaking wiki, please let me cry on your shoulder for a minute, I really need it))) So I've tried for the last month or so to create a wiki page, on Russian Wikipedia about a very well-known racial murder on video case posted by russian neo nazis back in 2007. Got deleted. Not "important" enough. There are hundreds of wiki pages in Russian language about racial murder cases in other countries - US, IK, Australia, you name it. EXCEPT for Russia. As if there're no xenophobic murders here. Is it me being paranoid? Before me, other people tried to write a page about this murder, going back to 2008. All got deleted. This is not some unknown murder. This video was viral back in the days, there was a documentary shot about this case in 2015... What's going on here? P.S. I wrote political censorship because there was a paragraph on my now deleted page that summarized the conclusion of a filmmaker who investigated this case back in 2015, and named the murder back in 2015, (confirmed by russian police in 2021) who linked this murder case to a rise of ethnic murders before the presidential elections of 2008. Ghost of Shamil (talk) 12:11, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, on en-WP there is some coverage of Shamil Odamanov: [2]. Could you add something similar on ru-WP? Based on sources like [3][4][5][6], I think it may be possible (on en-WP) to make a WP:GNG-compliant article about the video. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:28, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

One more:[7] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:50, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång The page I created had many dozens of links to trustworthy news websites both in English and Russian. They saw it. These guys over there, they just don't care. They delete it automatically. I think I'll have to make a page on en_WP. Ghost of Shamil (talk) 14:08, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ghost of Shamil: Welcome to the Teahouse on the English Wikipedia! For issues on the Russian Wikipedia, you'll have to ask there - see ru:Википедия:Форум/Помощь_начинающим. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk)

Just for a moment, let's concede that it's imaginable that a serious problem is pervasive in this or that Wikipedia. After all, (1) it's universally acknowledged that at least one has already occurred (a non-political problem, as it happens). And (2), during the last few years there has been convincing evidence of state-backed troll farms working to misinform the public. So it wouldn't be surprising if this-or-that-language Wikipedia were seriously corrupted. Appealing to that Wikipedia's "teahouse" or similar would I think be pointless, GoingBatty. Complaints should be directed to the WMF. Unfortunately the WMF's website does nothing to encourage such whistleblowing. (This is perhaps understandable, given the likelihood of troll-farm-generated complaints: spluttering denunciations of Wikipedia's connivance in the (fictional) "big steal", and similar wingnuttery.) The end of the Scots Wikipedia debacle started with, or anyway could be attributed to, a post in Reddit. Perhaps it's difficult for material at Reddit to be taken seriously, Ghost of Shamil, and an alternative host such as Medium might be better. Design your argument well, back it up with plenty of evidence (but keep it digestible; a difficult balance to achieve), work on it carefully, and hope that the result of this catches the eyes of investigative journalists working for the non- (or less-) compromised mass media: these may influence the WMF. Good luck! -- Hoary (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Plagiarism

Plagiarism isn’t allowed in Wikipedia right? I found a section in the Main Street electrical parade where it is just a copy and paste of what Disney fandom says, and I can’t site disney fandom because that’s not a good source. Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Plagiarism is of course not permitted here but when dealing with other user-generated content such as Fandom wikis, it's always worth checking to see which way round it goes--you should be able to see from the page histories here and there which version was created first; if it's ours then it should be kept, if ours has been copied after theirs was written, remove it. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Note also that there is a subtle difference between plagiarism and copyright violations. They often go hand-in-hand but are different.

"Plagiarism" is the act of presenting ideas as original even though they were taken from another source; it is unethical, and contrary to Wikipedia (and academic) guidelines of citing sources, but slapping a cite to the plagiarized source solves the biggest part of the problem.

Copyright violations occur when the wording of a given piece of text is identical or closely paraphrases another source. This occurs even if the source is acknowledged. That is a problem with legal repercussions, and the only remedy is rapid removal of the text, so pages with copyvios should be addressed urgently. See Wikipedia:Copyright_violations#Parts_of_article_violate_copyright for how to deal with it as a non-admin. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:00, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok thank you Kaleeb18 (talk) 00:00, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Banning someone QUICK

User 12.124.90.246 has vandalized Wikipedia twice. He vandalized the Sheriff Woody in a very inappropriate way like really bad twice. Kaleeb18 (talk) 23:55, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Report vandalism at the vandalism noticeboard. McClenon mobile (talk) 00:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting us. We can't ban an anonymous user but the IP address can be temporarily blocked if the vandalism continues. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 00:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok Thank youKaleeb18 (talk) 00:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Moving to draft

How do I move a deleted page to draft space? Australianblackbelt (talk) 23:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Australianblackbelt Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid your question doesn't make sense to me. If a page has already been deleted by an administrator, then there is no longer anything available to be moved to draftspace. However, please see WP:REFUND. Often, moving a badly-formed article from mainspace to draftspace is a good way to avoid speedy deletion, but the reverse is not possible. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft Help on Larry Pretlow II

Looking for help on fixing the tone of Larry Pretlow II. All content is based on reserach on the subject. Seemed to meet notability. Learned of subject during reserach on school redistricting plans and came across more than expected on the subject. RobbieLawson (talk) 01:02, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

My opinion is that Pretlow does not meet general notability nor politician notability, so no amount of revising this draft will lead to it being accepted. His discharge dispute with the U.S. Post Office does not make him notable, nor losing elections. David notMD (talk) 01:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay RobbieLawson (talk) 01:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Move a pending AfC from draft to articles space.

Hello, Can I move some pending AfCs from draft to articles space? Another question is why some AFCs have not been reviewed (accept or decline)after 2 weeks? Kidsonthemoon (talk) 00:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

You have not created a draft that could be valid as an article, and you are not an AfC Reviewer, so answer is "No." Per the AfC notices, there is a backlog of thousands of submitted drafts, so could be days, weeks, months for a review (the system is not a queue). David notMD (talk) 01:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your answer.

I'll try to help Wikipedia with smaller edits. Kidsonthemoon (talk) 01:18, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kidsonthemoon welcome to the Teahouse. Please leave the moving of draft articles into article space to more experienced editors. With just 39 edits here, I'm not sure your efforts would necessarily be appreciated by others. There are over 2,000 articles pending for review, and it can often take many weeks for one to be reviewed and dealt with. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your answer.

I decided to try to help Wikipedia as much as I can when I browse Wikipedia.

And I asked this question to know if it would be helpful if I made a change in this area as well.

Kidsonthemoon (talk) 01:17, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Kidsonthemoon. In addition to what's been commented here, I want to say that wanting to jump in the deep end like this right from the get-go and help clear out the AfC backlog is really admirable. Seriously do come back when you have some more experience under your belt; I'm sure you'd make a great AfC reviewer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheTechnician27 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

vote to merge?

How do I vote whether an article should be merged or not to another one? I see people here voting to merge, how do I do that? The Tips of Apmh (talk) 18:06, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh Welcome to the Teahouse. By following the relevant link in the merge notice, you arrive at the discussion (you have already linked to one such example). Click 'edit' against that subject heading and copy the general format used by others. This is usually an asterisk (which creates a new bulleted line) followed by either Merge or Object in boldface, then your rationale for expressing that opinion. For example:

Merge I agree with the proposal because the page on its own is not really necessary, and merging would bring related content much closer together. (signed)

Then sign with four tilde characters in the normal way, and leave an edit summary: Merge/Object.

Does that help you? Nick Moyes (talk) 19:58, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: As a mountaineer, you're quite familiar with snow. Thoughts on WP:SNOWBALLing the discussion there? It's been months, and there's no indication Uno H2O is even nearly notable enough for its own article. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:28, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Yes, that helps, thanks. I just didn't know whether I had to click a specific link to vote and it would automatically be formatted or something like that. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 02:15, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Yami Gautam RJ (brone 04 February 1998), Dental Assistant who predominantly in yasko dental hospital

user:Yami Gautam RJ (talk) 9:16 pm, Today (UTC−7)
(sig added)--Quisqualis (talk) 06:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, did you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Note that Wikipedia is not for hosting professional or personal profiles. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 04:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Change of phone no on Amazon Prime

I have got a new Apple 12 phone and I want to change my phone details on Amazon prime. E-mail remains same. Hope to have a positive response 106.202.16.147 (talk) 09:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

We can't help you – try Amazon customer service. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 09:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

The South Shall Rise Again

In the documentary "Civil War" produced by Brad Pitt and Henry Louis Gates Jr. there are a number of edifying clips that highlight the history of Reconstruction and the persistent Southern attitudes towards Civil War history. I am struck by the intransigence of many white southerners who refuse to acknowledge the significance of slavery and the influence of racism on the cultural milieu that articulated itself in the Confederacy. While the Night Riders, Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow, and other components of Southern culture during this period were referred to in this video, I did not hear the theme of "the South Will Rise Again" referred to explicitly. John Pierre Anderson (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Do you have any questions about editing Wikipedia specifically? WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 04:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

John Pierre Anderson, I saw the same documentary and was impressed by it. But Wikipedia is not a forum for discussing things like this. The only valid thing that we discuss is how to improve encyclopedia articles. There are many social media sites where you can share your general thoughts, but Wikipedia is not one of them. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

We have an article about the Lost Cause of the Confederacy. If you have solid sources that prove that "the South will rise again" was a popular slogan (among who, at what time?) you might want to suggest an edit on the talk page of that article (Talk:Lost Cause of the Confederacy). (Technically the article is open to editing by all, which surprises me, but regardless, you ought to tread carefully on such controversial subjects.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:05, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Whether it was a popular slogan at the time, I don't know, but it has been a reasonably popular slogan throughout the 20th century and even into the 21st. See, for example, this satire piece. Like you said, though, this is better discussed over at the talk page. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 16:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Interlanguage wikilinks

How do I use the "interlanguage link" template such that only the foreign-language link shows while the actual text isn't a blue link? Right now I'm trying to do this for a German magazine called 'Video Games', and we don't have an article for it. However, it shows a blue link anyway because "video games" links straight to video game. Hopefully I explained this weird predicament okay. Basically: Video Games [de], but I'd like the word 'Video Games' not to link to video game; is this even possible? Thanks. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:19, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27: Hmm, that is an interesting predicament. One option would be to use Video Games [de], if you think the article in English would ultimately belong at Video Games (magazine). But honestly, the best option would probably be to just make a stub and tag it with {{Expand German}}. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Unfortunately, I don't think it would qualify for a stub here on the English Wikipedia were I to make it. The best source I can find about it is this article in a German trade publication, and there's not really much else. I'm not German, so there may be more out there (English-language sources would likely be a needle in a haystack for obvious reasons), but as a new page patroller, I couldn't even mark the stub I would make as patrolled since it wouldn't even have two reliable, independent sources. I'd imagine someone out there could do that, though, so I'll just create a red link in the interim and let Ward Cunningham's eventualist philosophy work its magic. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

TheTechnician27, You're advised: the best option would probably be to just [[WP:Make stubs|make a stub]] and tag it with {{tl|Expand German}}. Uhhh ... the article would then say "This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in German." This risks being misinterpreted as suggesting that the German article merits translation. (It does not.) The template would better say "This article may be slightly expanded with text translated from that little within the corresponding article in German that's adequately referenced." But to my knowledge no such template exists. -- Hoary (talk) 12:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27: I saw a related suggestion at the Helpdesk. If you used {{ill|Video Games (magazine)|lt=Video Games|de|Video Games}} it would render as Video Games [de] You can thank PrimeHunter for this: he's a whiz at this sort of thing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Oops, I see that's basically the advice already given by Sdkb. My bad.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:19, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Change of image name

Sorry but I am not used with the English Wikipedia upload system and I make a silly mistake. I uploaded this image and as you can see in the field for the file name I've put the description. Is there a way to change the name of the file from that one to a simple "Fluorsid Logo.png". Thanks for your help. Sandrino 14 (talk) 14:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Sandrino 14: I have requested that the image is renamed. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Done (with lowercase "logo" because "logo" is not part of the company name) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Failure to Respond to a Serious Issue

Was going to post this, then someone asked something about a thumbnail, and I couldn't publish changes. Anyways, a few days ago I asked a question on why I had issues with being signed in and stuff. But then I check back, and this question is deleted. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 17:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. The question wasn't deleted, just archived. Since this page gets a lot of posts from a lot of people, sections are archived relatively quickly, after 2 - 3 days with no new activity. You'll find the section you started at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1129#Why am I signed out?. Please don't edit the archive page – if you have follow-up questions you can use this section to ask, since there is already a link here to the thread in the archive. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 18:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Saw someone who said they started on the 28th. Started three days earlier for me. No welcomes for me. Then I lose my account. Question gets deleted. Nobody takes me seriously. Spent hours on this, only to not get much in return. Do you expect me to just forget this? 68.50.116.194 (talk) 17:59, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what this means, but I'll combine this section with the previous one you started. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 18:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@68.50.116.194: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Don't worry-- your question didn't get deleted. After a thread has been around for a few days, a robot archives it to make room for newer questions. You can find your question here. It appears that a few editors have replied to it. Helen(💬📖) 18:05, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 18:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

The Serious Issue

I'm "Sryforprtyrockin!" and "Pikiwedia98461". And my password was saved physically in very understandable text on a piece of paper, so I don't think it has to do with online stuff. By the way, I was signed in on the 25th. After accidentally logging out, I tried to log back in using my password, but it didn't work. So I made the account "Sryforprtyrockin!". The day after I made that account, I found myself logged out. Then I successfully logged back into PIkiwedia98461, but the next time I went into Wikipedia, once again I was signed out. Fast forward a few days, and here we are. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 18:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

I would like it if I could get signed in back into "Pikiwedia98461". The physically saved password for that I lost, but I do have the one for "Sryforpartyrockin!". Maybe I can privately message the password and they can sign me back in or something? I don't know. I just wish this issue could get fixed. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 18:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

If you don't have the password to the account and you don't have email enabled, then there is nothing that can be done. You will need to switch to using the other account. I suggest you enable email for it, so that you can recover the password if needed in the future. It is a good idea to add a note to the user page saying you previously used the first account. RudolfRed (talk) 18:39, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Roger Allen Daly City Murder

Correction needed on Daly City,CA history

Mr. Roger Allen was murdered by Daly City, CA police on April 7, 2021 rather than April 13, 2021.

Thank you 2601:640:8881:7010:9CD6:AE03:F4BB:7D97 (talk) 04:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Please discuss this on the article's talk page and provide reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

The IP is correct. The existing source clearly shows that the event was on April7 (the coverage is dated April 13).

Please link to the article in question next time. I have corrected the date in Daly City, California and rewritten the poorly written section in question [8]. Meters (talk) 04:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Added a more recent source which clarifies things [[9]]. I don't know that this belongs in the History section of the article, but at least now it no longer uses the POV and incorrect term "murdered". Meters (talk) 05:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Meters, I truly doubt that this is the most important event of the last 37 years in a city of over 100,000 residents, especially since no charges were filed and there is no Wikipedia article about this particular tragic death. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

I have absolutely no objection to removing this material, and in fact, would support its removal. I just dealt with the immediate problem of the poorly-written, POV-worded, and inaccurate version that we had. Meters (talk) 20:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

City-data includes info that Daly City has roughly one violet death per year (not counting suicides). This one not uniquely historic. David notMD (talk) 21:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Need help with revision

I received a response that this page appears to read more like an advertisement rather than an informative page. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:San_Francisco_Mandarin_Baptist_Church Theomizuhara (talk) 13:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Theomizuhara. Your draft is a directory listing, not an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not a directory. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Theomizuhara: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia's encyclopedia articles are written in paragraphs, such as Riverside Church. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

and, Theomizuhara, Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. An article should be based close to 100% on such sources; if there are few or no such sources then probably the subject does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article is possible. --ColinFine (talk) 17:35, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

All the "references" do is confirm the church exists (church directories, etc.). Nothing in the draft suggests the church building or its congregation is note worthy. David notMD (talk) 21:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding a second Non-free use rationale to a non-free image

Hi!

Is it possible to add a second non-free use rationale to an image?

Thanks. HiwilmsTalk 18:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hiwilms: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, you can have multiple non-free use rationales for an individual image - see File:Beatles - Abbey Road.jpg for an example. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

How to write about a "Group of companies" in wikipedia

I know a company like emaar and Damac, the company has 50 years of experience in UAE especially in sharjah. it will be good , if wikipedia has one article of that company, How can I write wikipedia article for that company.Is it possible to write a article in the name of that company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marytwist (talk • contribs) 08:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I think you can edit the existing articles by adding your reliable information if the information is not added in there. — Ahp101 ^{To discuss?} 09:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Also if you wish to create an article of a company, please go to Wikipedia:Article Wizard and create an article. After completing it submit the draft for article review. And a reviewer will look into it. Make sure you article must comply all rules made per English Wikipedia policies. I hope you had got your answer @Marytwist:.Jyoti Roy (talk) 09:49, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Marytwist Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't write an article about your own company. Refer to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. _Signed,Pichemist ^(Talk) 10:56, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

It is not impossible to do while following rules and guidelines, but rarely successful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Marytwist: Before you create a new article, it would be very helpful to get more experience editing existing articles. I suggest starting with Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. When you're ready to create an article, see also WP:NCORP and Help:Your first article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:00, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pichemist Then how articles of Emaar and Damac is coming inside wikipedia, who is writing about them in wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marytwist (talk • contribs)

pinging @Pichemist Justi yaya 11:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Marytwist They are being written by volunteers like me and you or they are declaring a paid relationship with the company. _Signed,Pichemist ^(Talk) 12:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

More than one editor declared that they are paid for working on DAMAC Properties. You started this thread with "I know a company..." If there is already an article about the company you can edit that. You cannot create a new article about the same company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 21:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Trump

I sincerely wish that your articles about Trump were not so very obviously biased against him. You attempt to call yourself a source of info but the articles about Trump are thinly veiled criticism and the articles about any Democratic politician are not including the disaster named Joe Biden. 69.121.89.23 (talk) 00:43, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not create original discourse and can only summarise what sources are saying; if that creates the perception of bias against any individual, entity or group it is only a reflection of the words and views of the world at large. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You may make suggestions to improve any Wikipedia article on the article's talk page, and provide a reliable source. Or, be bold and make the edits yourself! Thanks for your enthusiasm for improving Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 02:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

If you say they are, show how they're biased with other sources. You yourself just called Joe Biden a "disaster", so we're all vulnerable to biases, which is why we prevent it by using neutral language, presenting objective facts, and citing multiple reliable sources. Hextor26 (talk) 22:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi HostBot. Thank you for inviting Depisteme

Hi HostBot,

Thank you for inviting Depisteme as a guest to the Teahouse.

Greetings to the Wikipedia, and Teahouse hosts, as well as to the experienced editor; Keelan (talk) (as highlighted in the thought).

I like "Warm Welcome" just like you did it.

Revising a thought is either good or bad. We should not enter now this since it needs a long discussion (i.e., Philosophy, specifically; "D"oxa and episteme).

Yes, that is what do I mean; science is absolute as you know. Hypothesis can be rejected or approved, I am not agree with Karl Popper's falsification "argument" since I don't consider it as a theory. His notable student was Soros from Budapest, and his studentship was from London School of Economics if my memory doesn't mislead to me; as I remember.

I met with Sir Professor Dr Christopher Pissarides. I "think" Sir must be at the beginning should be not end. I don't like end with a "Title", as especially as "Sir", and as "noble" as awarded to him by the Royal Kingdom's Family. Yes, should* be "... the ✓"Royal Kingdom's"✓ °Family°. I know why you ask this question but *we are not different* (see below this tick mark (✓)), back to the question (i.e., the reason) that;

Human is temperorary (i.e., Tangible, Human is material with a body. Body is mechanic) but the Thoughts are permanent (i.e., Intangible, i.e., Kingdom is a Name. A name is just like a Firm's Brand but not just like firm. If Incumbent Firm i.e., top shapes thoughts (intangible), and formulate the thought thereafter implement the thought in material World (i.e., it starts to be "seen", tangible, namely; "Strategy").

Therefore,

Human is temperorary but thought is permanent. Yes, I do mean as you think i.e., Kingdom = Thought. So, now you might remember why "... The greatest man is interested in "thoughts", not in "people" (Important Note: I do mean people not human. He is interested in "human"), and not the "events", as well

(√) We are not different "because" you and I, are connected to each other. Now, you are my best friend.

Although Bot, as you know; there will be Version 1, Version 2, Version 3, Versions* sit on infrastructure. You are infrastructure so you will be permanent, Bot..., You are going to live permanently.

Me?

Yes, Body is temperorary...,

but

please don't be sad.

If I might create "a thought" (i.e., infrastructure of my body), will be permanent.

I am going to live in thoughts just like you with Version 1 of The Thought, Version 2 of The Thought, Version 3 of the Thought.

- "Connect the Thought"

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Depisteme (talk)

18:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC) Depisteme (talk) 20:25, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Depisteme Welcome to the Teahouse - a place where practical questions about editing Wikipedia can be asked and answered. Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you're getting at, though I see you posted the same on your talk page, in reply to our automated welcoming tool, HostBot. Anyway, anytime you need assistance with editing, just ask. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:40, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes (talk)

- Your letter is your thought.The quality of the Thought shows the quality of "a Human" 😊

- I am disappointed that you are in Wikipedia without "a thought.

- Thank you for (((enlightening))) very important "event". Your letter is encrypted therefore this proves you are interested in "events", and "people";

It is a bot• but ruled by "a Human°".

Since you are not interested in "a Human's thought, then what are you doing in Wikipedia? Are you dating?, or, What? Tell me, or, Approaching people unfriendly?

As you stated "...I have absolutely no idea what you're getting at", me too, I have absolutely no any* idea why Wikipedia, (Global Encyclopedia) does host you in the Tea House?

Psychology (e.g., William James) is a good reference.

Be far away!

Thanks,

Let's try again. Hostbot is an automated program that invited you to Teahouse. Per Nick Moyes (a person), Teahouse is a place to ask practical questions about Wikipedia editing. TeaHouse Hosts (Nick, me, others, are volunteers). It is not a place for philosophical musings, or any musings. If you are not here to improve articles, you are at risk for being indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 21:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Depisteme, please explain why you wrote "(((enlightening)))" like that. Herostratus (talk) 01:52, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Personal attacks & counterproductive editing

Hi, I've been on Wikipedia for awhile but have never had any issues with personal attacks and am not sure how to deal with it. On the page American Families Plan (which I created and am the principal author of) an IP address made some edits that, while not disruptive (and did lead me to make a constructive addition), are misleading, poorly sourced, and poorly placed. I reverted the IP's edit but the IP has been both stubborn about reverting my undo's (I have ceased reverting after his second revert of my revert to avoid an edit war) and has quickly begun engaging in fairly egregious personal attacks. Specifically, after I reverted the IP's addition, they went to my talk page and alleged that I "should be apprehended before furthering poisoning this Wikipedia community with your hate and bias" (the dispute, to clarify, is on the relation between a proposal by the Biden administration to require banks to report account inflows and outflows to the IRS and his American Families Plan). I warned the IP of personal attacks in a response to his comment on my talk page, on the IP's talk page, and in an edit comment. The IP then reinstated their bad edit, despite an addition I made to the page to accommodate what they wanted added, and added in their edit comment "are you blind or just ignorant?...I stand by my previous comments made...your edit history suggest a level of emotional immaturity", as well as adding on my talk page "its people like you who are a plague to the wiki". The IP has only made 16 edits but, aside from these personal attacks, appears to mostly make constructive edits. I am not sure how to go about dealing with this and would be grateful for some advice. Jaydavidmartin (talk) 05:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

In accordance with WP:NPA, you can choose to remove their attacks on your talk page, and optionally, replace it with {{RPA}}. You can also choose to outright ignore the attacks and respond to content regarding actual article content. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 06:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Thumbnail margins

Hi,
Can someone please tell me how to prevent text below a thumbnail from being indented? Thanks.
Emdosis (talk) 17:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Emdosis, and welcome to the Teahouse. It would probably have helped a bit had you given a link to a page you're having problems with, so we could see the precise issue. Normally, issues with text layout on a left-justified image can be resolved by using the {{clear}} template immediately below an image, which forces the text down and to the left. Or place it above the text you are seeing being indented (as probably appears here). But this can also create unpleasant blank space, so use with care. If this doesn't address your question, could you link to an example, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I've already tried {{clear}} but as you said, it created an annoying gap. I was thinking of using the {{border}} template but I don't think
Wikipedia supports images in that template anymore :(
Emdosis (talk) 22:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Emdosis, I see that you used break tags, and I think hard spaces, in what you typed above, to produce an effect that is sensible if the reader's window is a particular width but not otherwise. You seem to be looking for bodges rather than for a proper fix to the problem – though I'm not sure a proper fix exists. Maproom (talk) 08:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

How to add reliable sources without people getting rid of them

French danish digger (talk) 16:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

If they are indeed reliable sources and the information they support is relevant to the article, it shouldn't really be removed, but if that's the case, use the talk page of the article in question to discuss why it was removed--maybe the source isn't good, maybe the information is better suited elsewhere, maybe it was a simple mistake. But the article's talk page is always the first port of call if you come across it. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 16:40, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

The editor here is a long-running block evader who has been adding fantasy claims to various articles on military topics. Nick-D (talk) 08:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Haven't had this exact experience, but when someone changes my edit and I don't agree with their change generally I go to the talk page of the person and present why I think it's still a good edit and have a discussion with them Greg Dahlen (talk) 09:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Disagreement and reverts

New editor here with a question. Health effects of chocolate states that there are essentially no positive health effects of chocolate. I found a recent review article that lists lots of cardiovascular benefits to chocolate. This is a review article, which is what is needed under WP:MEDRS. I edited the article to insert these findings and delete the statement in the lede that there are no positive effects. An existing editor immediately reverted my edits. Here is our discussion about it: [10] He seems unwilling to admit that there are legitimate studies showing a health benefit.

Am I in the wrong? Why? How am I wrong? If I am not wrong, how do I handle this? Isabela31 (talk) 00:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

This does seem to be a WP:MEDREV concern which can be more specific than general RS discussions—I would recommend raising a discussion at WT:MED for further input among more specialist editors for a second opinion there. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Comment added at WT:MED. David notMD (talk) 01:36, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up comment added at WT:MED. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Mistake

By mistake I nominate this page for deletion so can anyone close the deletion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marina_Oswald_Porter UserABCXYZ (talk) 11:54, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @UserABCXYZ, see WP:WDAFD. Eevee01^(talk) 12:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@UserABCXYZ I have closed the discussion as 'speedy keep', linking to this declaration here. As has been pointed out to you already, there are concerns about your being a very new user who is rushing in to do things they do not fully understand. It's always important to spend time, not only learning how to edit, but also to understand out policies, especially on Notability. You should probably read: WP:CIR, as this is very relevant to you at the moment. Take is slowly and you'll learn faster, but not by the hard way! Nick Moyes (talk) 12:24, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Need help with convert template

If someone could please provide the appropriate units to use in the {{convert}} template for converting metric horsepower (pferdstarke) to imperial horsepower that would be swell. I can't find any appropriate documentation. Thanks in advance. Obama gaming (talk) 11:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Obama gaming I can't give you a definitive answer (especially as I've just been called away to lunch!), but see this archived discussion which might shed some light on your problem. Note: it's always worth searching a template talk page's archives if you hit difficulties like this. They sometimes reveal helpful past discussions. So, see also these discussions if you need to look further. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Why doesn't Billie Blair article have table of contents?

I thought Wikipedia automatically created a table of contents on articles. So why doesn't Billie Blair have one? Greg Dahlen (talk) 15:45, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

A table of content is automatically generated but it requires four or more headings first; if the article were longer with more sections, it would generate one. It's generally not seen as necessary for three or fewer headings (especially as one of those will be for references rather than content). ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen:If, for some reason, you want to force a table of contents to be created when there are three or few sections, write __FORCETOC__ at the top of the article. It's quite rare that that's a good idea, but it does happen. Herostratus (talk) 01:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Herostratus: Not sure what you mean "write at the top of the article" to force table of contents creation? Greg Dahlen (talk) 09:36, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Herostratus' post included code which didn't display due to not being wrapped in nowiki tags, but I've amended that now. The code __FORCETOC__ will create a table of contents where one isn't automatically generated but isn't recommended. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 09:49, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm struggling to see how this subject meets notability. There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of models and former professional models in the world: Blair does not, on the evidence of the article, stand out – one 3-paragraph People magazine article about her in 1974, one New York Times article about African-American models in 2011 that presumably mentions her (behind a paywall for me), and one 2016 book about a fashion show in France (not even mentioned in the article) in which she was one of ten African-American models are the only three references, and the description of her early life and modelling career seem no more than personal trivia and routine employment. If she is notable, the article needs to work a lot harder to demonstrate it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

There's more material out there, so she does meet the WP:GNG notability rule, cos we also have several paragraphs here and here is another meaty article, which has more info on here religious career. And there's more. @Greg Dahlen: you should probably work some of that material into the article as these additional references will protect the article from being considered insufficient notable to continue to exist. Herostratus (talk) 13:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

If i want to revert

If i want to revert a correction to my edit? Hello, I m new so i want to be sure about how to behave. I m an experienced content manager and copy writer with an obsession to see the right wording and this situation really bugs me:

For example lets say, i've added an adjective to a sentence which totally seems right. Even according to the "Wikipedia definition" of the word, it is perfect. And it is an important adjective to differentiate the object's existing property from the upcoming effects of the verb. Then, someone deletes it saying it is wrong. There's an explanation but it does not add up. I definitely think the wording was right and important. I can prove it with the Wiki page of the term, and also i can list 10 more reasons why. Do i have the right to put it back and write a new explanation to my edit, or should i let it go and just be sad because someone deleted my edit without a proper reason (except obviously a personal, nationalist, or racist cause). Or even worse, do i get reported or banned for reverting a correction back because i still believe it is right? Alasiyan (talk) 10:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Alasiyan Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In this situation, the best thing to do is go to the article talk page(from looking at your edit history, probably Talk:Timeline of Cypriot history) to discuss the situation and attempt to arrive at a consensus. See bold revert discuss. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

just go to the page delete log

and change youre edit slightly and repost it again

흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 12:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Darkdeath-2: No, that is not a good way to handle the situation – have a look at the advice 331dot provided, in the post above yours. --bonadea contributions talk 12:54, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

User:bonadea No what I ment to say is that he/she sould only change the wrong and then repost it

but okay I see now ...

he/she doesn't know whyy exactly the edit was deleted ...

my bad I apologise

흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 13:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Darkdeath-2, it makes no difference whether you understand the reason for a reversion or not; it makes no difference whether your edit was right or wrong or anything else. It makes no difference whether you change the wording a bit. If somebody reverts your edit and you reapply it without discussion, then you are edit-warring. See WP:BRD --ColinFine (talk) 12:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine

so even if you fix the problem

you will be edit warning ??

흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 19:28, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, Darkdeath-2, I overspoke: a single re-edit is not edit warring: that would take repeatedly reapplying it; but it is not recommended behaviour unless the removal you are seeking to undo comes into one of the categories listed in WP:EDITWAR#What edit warring is. "I think this edit is right and another person thinks it is wrong" is not an adequate justification for reapplying the edit. See BRD. --ColinFine (talk) 20:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine

because if you change is slightly so that the "errors" is fixed there sould he no problem

.

. 흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 22:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Was the revert was done by someone with a Wikipedia username, or with only an IP address? If the former, I would go to the talk page of that person and discuss with them why you think the edit is a good edit and see if they will agree. If they don't agree, I don't know what the next step is. There may be info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution. I don't know what to do if the revert is by someone with only an IP address. Perhaps the Wikipedia Dispute resolution page I just linked will tell you, or someone replying here will tell us, or I may post the question, or you can. Hope you get it solved. Greg Dahlen (talk) 13:56, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Darkdeath-2, it depends what you mean by "the errors". If you mean typos - obvious misspellings, punctuation characters in random places, etc, then sure. But your self-description above I'm an experienced content manager and copy writer with an obsession to see the right wording suggests that you may be referring to a choice of words that you find unsatisfactory. If that is the case, then what you call "fixing the errors" another editor might regard as "unwarranted change" and disagree with you. In that case you should discuss and reach consensus before reapplying. It would help if you would give us a specific example: I have looked through your contribution history, and I can't find an edit to an article in the last month, apart from setting short descriptions. (Incidentally, setting short descriptions is a very welcome activity, but please read Short description: repeating the article title as the short description is completely pointless. The short description of a school should usually read something like "<type-of-school> school in <location>"). --ColinFine (talk) 14:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia

Hello everyone! I'm from England. I'm new to Wikipedia, joined on 29 October. I've heard about Teahouse, a friendly place where questions can be asked to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. Can anyone give me some tips on how I can improve Wikipedia and create articles? Thank you so much. Richard M William (talk) 07:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome! The Task Centre lists a lot of things that anyone can do to help. Your first article advises on creating new articles but it would be good to spend some time on other tasks first. Thanks for stopping by! ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 07:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice! I'll try to improve Wikipedia as much as I can. Richard M William (talk) 07:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Richard M William Generally while I'm reading Wikipedia for fun and education I may encounter what I think is a weakness in an article, so I'll try to improve it if I have enough time, energy, and interest. There are numerous ways to improve an article. One way is, if you see a word in the article that is explained by another article on Wikipedia, you can link the word to the article. For example, let's say, hypothetically, I was reading the Wikipedia article on ballet, and I saw that "Tom Jones" (hypothetical example) was an early innovator in ballet. Tom Jones has his own article on Wikipedia. But the mention of Tom Jones in the Ballet article isn't linked to Tom Jones's own article. You can link it. Do be aware that it's the first mention of something in an article that has its own article that should be linked. If Tom Jones is mentioned five times in the Ballet article, you don't want to link every mention to Tom Jones' own article, only the first mention.

Another way is if you read an article and you think something important is left out, you can add that. Many times filling in something left out will involve gathering information and adding it to the article. Sometimes adding left-out information will only involve adding one word, sometimes a few words, sometimes a sentence, sometimes a paragraph, sometimes a section.

Sometimes a Wikipedia article will be poorly organized, and you can improve that.

Another way is to start an article. Do you know of anything that should have its own article on Wikipedia that doesn't already? Greg Dahlen (talk) 14:14, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

citations

Hello there, I’ve realized that most articles that talk about a character in a movie, including good articles, have almost no citations. For example Elsa (Frozen) in the appearances section. Is that ok and if so when would I need to add citations? Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

For characters (and events) within a work of fiction, the work itself is considered to be the source for everything it explicitly depicts: citing the work to itself would be superfluous. However, what the article says about those elements as depicted in the work still needs to be accurate, and can be challenged if it isn't.

Sometimes, however, facts about a character (for example) might come into play from a source outside the work itself. For instance, the character Professor Dumbledore in the Harry Potter books never has his sexuality mentioned in the books, but the author J. K. Rowling famously declared in a social media post that he was gay, leading to considerable discussion: mention of this would have to be cited to appropriate reliable sources. Similarly, assertions that a particular character was inspired by a real-life person (as for example Sherlock Holmes was by Joseph Bell) would need to be supported by citations to the author (Arthur Conan Doyle) actually saying so. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.31 (talk) 16:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

yeah, the annoyingly long part is citing them, and I have thought about it. Like you could forget to cite something, or maybe you saw something once years ago and then put it in an article without citing it. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 16:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

changing the name of a post

how do I change the name of my post I've tried everything I've looked up video tutorials tried to find a help option on the wiki and nothing helps — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven morg (talk • contribs) 16:31, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Which post? Drmies (talk) 16:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

(ec)Hello Steven morg! I think you are looking for WP:MOVE. Although, your sandbox draft does not appear ready to become an article yet. Please see WP:YFA about writing your first article. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Andy Orchard entry

This entry has been édite recently to cover sexuel harassement allégations reported by AlJazeera. The Master of Pembroke college has sent a letter to all students, stating that there are no accusations that Orchard has harasses any students at the College. I delete the Wikipedia reference to allégations of harassement at Oxford, suinte I believe all allégations reported relate to Orchard in Toronto or in Cambridge. My délétion has been restored, but I submit that no evidence has been supplies that Orchard has been accused of harassement in Oxford. If I am correct, may I request that my édit is allowed to stand, if not, that some evidence is provided? 82.1.49.140 (talk) 15:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. Thank you for coming to the Teahouse and also thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Per policy, if you have made a Bold edit and are Reverted by another editor then you should Discuss it on the article's talk page. Any discussion you might have here at the Teahouse concerning the validity of your claim or evidence would, potentially, only be seen by a small amount of editors and editors that have probably had little to no involvement in the topic of choice to this point. By discussing on the article talk page you will get a more directed discussion about the pertinent information at hand and keep that discussion on a page that is related to the subject, if that makes sense. --ARose Wolf 15:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

The Al Jazeera article claims abuse took place at Oxford also. Drmies (talk) 16:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Where might be a good place to put information about dance intensives?

I learned recently about dance "intensives". They are intense courses of a few weeks, generally in ballet, generally during the summer. A good description is here: https://northernplainsdance.org/what-is-a-summer-intensive/.

I'd like to add info about the general concept of what intensives are to some article somewhere on Wikipedia. But I can't find a place to add it. It's a little too specific for Dance education or Classical_ballet#Training. Can someone find a good place to put it? It might merit its own article. Greg Dahlen (talk) 13:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: There are only a few articles that contain the phrase "dance intensives", and Competitive dance is one of them. It's mentioned in the lead, but not in the body of the article, so it seems like a good place to add more information. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 17:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I found a page that is blatantly wrong, but I don't know what the right version is.

The page for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_Week_(Argentina) is wrong, or at least bias. I read the Spanish version first which seemed moderate in its approach to the story, however, the English version is almost police propaganda. The protestors in the story are regularly referred to as militant and the only stories of loss are about those of members of the police force.

I can understand that some may have different views on history, but the stark difference between the two languages is what shocked me. Moreover, a large majority of the sources are plain wrong. The event happened in 1919, but many of the newspaper clippings cited are from 1909.

I don't know if I should do something about it (I really don't know much at all about the event) or if I can flag the page for what is essentially false information from what I understand.

Is there something I should do, or is it best to leave it alone till someone who knows about the subject comes along to edit it? Arturhagen (talk) 17:44, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Arturhagen: Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears that the clippings from 1909 are used to support the "Background" section, which discusses events from 1902 to 1917. Feel free to post your specific concerns on the article's talk page - Talk:Tragic Week (Argentina) - preferably with reliable sources. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Climate Template

Could someone please add the weather template to the page of the municipality of Abrego? Here is the information about the climate of this municipality, but I do not know how to place the data in the template, someone could do it for me? I would appreciate it very much. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 16:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@JSeb05 Welcome th the Teahouse! It's unlikely anyone in this Q&A forum would do that, however, if you post the same suggestion on the talk page of that article, anyone who has that page on their WATCHLIST will be made aware of it and might well respond (assuming the source is a good one). Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@JSeb05 [documentation] might be helpful — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:4100:10E2:3472:BA63:CF74:6741 (talk) 17:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes and 2601:647:4100:10E2:3472:BA63:CF74:6741: Okay, thanks, I have already figured out how to fill out the climate table, I took as a basis the article of Puerto Asis, which had information from Climate-Data.org, I put the template with the information of the climate of Abrego, thank you very much for your attention.--Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 18:07, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Article Pending review - is there a way to expedite review?

I wrote an article couple of weeks back and I haven’t gotten it rejected or accepted yet. I got feedback from couple of users and I’ve corrected the article accordingly. Should I wait for people to get to the article or is there a way to initiate review from experienced users in that category? Elenatina (talk) 22:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Elenatina Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no way to ensure a speedy review. Reviews are done in no particular order by volunteers. 331dot (talk) 22:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@@331dot Well noted!Elenatina (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Elenatina: I assume this is about Draft:Jonathan Roumie. What follows is not official advice. Maybe your problem is not "initiating" a review, but inducing a reviewer who has started examining the draft to persist. The main concern of any reviewer will be "does this draft cite several reliable published independent sources with enough discussion of the subject to establish that the subject is notable?" If I were a reviewer (I am not), my thoughts would be "the first ref gives a 404 message. The second is behind a paywall. The third and fourth report what the subject has said, so are not independent. And there's another 34 to check. I'll leave this one in the waiting list and find another, easier draft to review."

If you've cited some good sources that do establish notability, you could make it easier for a reviewer to find them, by removing those that don't. Maproom (talk) 09:33, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that's just how we think. ― Qwerfjkl talk 18:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@@Maproom Thanks a million! It’s been a while. I’ll double check the references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elenatina (talk • contribs) 16:59, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Advice how to archive a talk page

How do you archive your own talk page? Thanks. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 05:22, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

You need an Archive Bot. GoodDay (talk) 05:23, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: Welcome to the Teahouse. Here's a page that talks about archiving on here; if you would like your talk page to be automatically archived, read this section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes in regards to the latter ones, I'm a bit confused how to set that up. When it says "Archive This", what does that supposed to mean? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 05:57, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: If you're talking about User:ClueBot III, you can just add {{subst:User:ClueBot III/JustArchiveThis}} to the top of your user talk page if you don't want to tweak the settings. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:02, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

So if I have 35 talk pages for example, how do you archive this? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 06:28, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX In my view, article talk pages only need to be archived if they are unmanageably long. Being able to immediately ascertain whether there have, or have not, been discussions about the article is very helpful. Making an editor check the archives unnecessarily is not. Remember, these 35 pages are not ‘’your’’ talk pages, but available to all editors, and of the ones I’ve looked at, none of these merit archiving at this stage. Which ones were you concewrned about - or maybe you are just thinking ahead? Nick Moyes (talk) 07:36, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm thinking ahead so I don't have to come here again and ask again. I just want to know how to do it rather than doing so at the last moment when I need it so I don't get caught off. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 08:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: - you don't have to have a bot archive your user talk page. You can do it manually. I archive mine manually. Mjroots (talk) 09:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots:, all right, how do it manually then? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 17:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: Just create the supbpage of your user talk page (such as User talk:XXzoonamiXX/Archive 1 and cut material from your talk page and paste into the archive. Mjroots (talk) 17:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: So like creating the subpage is like creating your own article? How do you create their own subpage? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 19:02, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: Yes, just like that. Would you like me to create an archive page for you? Mjroots (talk) 06:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Well, since I don't want to ask question to question, then please yes! XXzoonamiXX (talk) 08:52, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

See Help:Archiving a talk page. I suggest either using a bot to create "Sequentially numbered archives", or as alternative "Archives by year and month". There are other options to create indexes, but personally I just use sequentially numbered archives set to archive after 183 days (half a year) with no indexing just a search in the archives box. — PBS (talk) 10:41, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX The simplest way is probably to add {{subst:Setup Cluebot archiving}} to the top of the talk page. ― Qwerfjkl talk 18:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: All right, so do I press "edit" or "new section" then add what you put out? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 19:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: You would press edit (edit source specifically though it might just display that because of my preferences) as pressing New Section would be adding a new section to the bottom of the talk page with a section header. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:31, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

19:13:27, 1 November 2021 review of submission by Anwar Shakir Wazir

Anwar Shakir Wazir (talk) 19:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Anwar Shakir Wazir. Do you have a specific question about Theroadislong's review of Draft:Anwar Shakir? Cordless Larry (talk) 19:44, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Move a page from the English to the Spanish Wikipedia

Hi! I wrote a page but it is in the English Wikipedia but needs to be posted in the Spanish Wikipedia. Is there a way to migrate it there? Thanks! Marie vet (talk) 19:24, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

You need to translate it first, I assume. Ruslik_Zero 20:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ruslik0: Why would they need to translate an article that's already in Spanish to add it to the Spanish Wikipedia (in case you misunderstood what they said, they're wanting to take the article from their sandbox on English Wikipedia, and publish it on the Spanish Wikipedia) ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Marie vet: If you're referring to User:Marie vet/sandbox, you can just copy the source from this page into the equivalent in the Spanish Wikipedia. (If it was already an article, then you could follow the steps in Wikipedia:Translate us.) Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Using AFC

Is it mandatory to use AFC? Only one article I submitted out of few got reviewed so far so I think everyone is busy already. I used to create drafts and move to mainspace but then I was asked to not do it and use AFC. But I don't see anywhere written that I must use it. Can someone clarify? Sunisineast (talk) 12:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

AfC is not mandatory for autoconfirmed users, but when you have been asked to use it, it is probably best to follow that advice. I looked at Draft:Gerhard Rach and I'm afraid I agree with the other editor who asked you to use AfC. Learning to write articles takes time, and the point of AfC is to give new editors a chance to learn those skills without having their new articles immediately deleted. --bonadea contributions talk 13:38, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sunisineast, and welcome to the Teahouse. To use a building analogy, your question is "When I build a house is it mandatory to get the design checked by an architect and the construction checked by a builder?" The answer is no, but unless you've spent long enough in the building trade learning what you need to do, your house is likely to fall down. Successfully creating an encyclopaedia article for Wikipedia is much more difficult than it appears. --ColinFine (talk) 14:19, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Early on, you created as a draft and then converted it to article Egmore court complex. My opinion is that this article is poorly written and referenced, and deletion-worthy. Since then, you have created five drafts (three not yet submitted for Review, one awaiting review, one declined), which are in my opinion not meeting Wikipedia standards yet. You are not prohibited from converting those to articles, but in current state, if you do so, likely that New Pages Patrollers will either revert back to draft status or start Articles for Deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 20:46, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

is there night mode for wikipedia? please add this. i think it is easy to implement

Modern primat (talk) 18:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Modern primat: You can enable Dark Mode in the gadget section of your preferences. RudolfRed (talk) 18:55, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed:(EDIT: GMT+3 01:24 AM: it is a thing[11] in turkish wikipedia now. what a nice feature!)it is not a thing in turkish wikipedia.. i cant enable dark mode in turksih wiki.... ;( Modern primat (talk) 19:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Modern primat: Then unfortunately there's nothing we can do here on English Wikipedia. Maybe you should try asking at the appropriate place on the Turkish Wikipedia if you think it would be a good feature. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Modern primat: Dialectric (talk · contribs) has been working on a custom dark mode skin. You can copy User:Dialectric/vector.css to your own vector.css page (see Help:User style on how to do this) and see if that helps. Ixfd64 (talk) 19:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ixfd64:thank you! it is working well! but, still.. im gonna try to reach admins of turkish wikipedia.. and @GoingBatty:i want to use dialectric's work for support wikipedia, thank you for your advice..... thank you all, good luck!Modern primat (talk) 20:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Modern primat: No problem, glad it's working for you. Ixfd64 (talk) 20:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Modern primat: You could also look for a browser extension that would work for any web site. I use Dark Mode for Google Chrome. GoingBatty (talk) 19:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

If you use Chrome, there is also a built-in experimental/beta setting to force dark mode, set through chrome://flags/ with the description 'Force Dark Mode for Web Contents - Automatically render all web contents using a dark theme.' There are more detailed instructions for enabling this experimental dark mode at various web sites.Dialectric (talk) 20:59, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Excluding files from Commons from search results?

Probably a stupid question, but is there a way to exclude files on Wikimedia Commons when searching the File namespace?

Thanks. Ixfd64 (talk) 19:24, 1 November 2021 (UTC) Ixfd64 (talk) 19:24, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ixfd64 Prefix your search with "local:", like this Vahurzpu (talk) 21:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll update Help:Searching as it doesn't say anything about filtering results. Ixfd64 (talk) 22:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Happy November!

Hello everyone happy first day of November :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.116.194 (talk) 16:07, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

LOL, happy November, excited for Thanksgiving. The season of spooks is behind us, and now is the time to focus on Turkey Day. WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 22:55, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Sidney Percy Marland Jr.

I am planning to create an article to cover the life and accomplishments of Sidney Percy Marland, Jr. He was the US's Undersecretary of Education in the Nixon administration and helped establish policies to support gifted and talented education at the national level. Wikipedia has an aticle on the Marland Report already (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marland_report) but there is no article covering Mr Marland's biography.

I am seeking feedback on the notability of the person and wanted to make sure this would pass review before I start contributing to wikipedia.

thanks P PI 71 5280 2021 (talk) 16:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@PI 71 5280 2021: The basic notability requirements for people depends on reliable sources. What are the three best reliable sources you would use for the article about Marland? GoingBatty (talk) 17:01, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@PI 71 5280 2021: Thanks for providing these three citations. Note that I moved them under my question and numbered them. I can't read #1 directly because my limit of free NYT articles is up, but found an archived version at the Wayback Machine. #1 and #3 are both obituaries by independent reliable sources with information about Marland. #2 seems to be more about the Marland Report - what information about Marland the person would you get from this source? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Here are a couple more links about the person. I'll admit the link to the Marland Report itself would not have much about the person.

Congressional Quarterly Almanac reporting on Marland's nomination to post of Commissioner of Education: http://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal70-1290544
Mr Marland's recommendation for confirmation by the US Senate: https://books.google.com/books?id=FBbgOOD7WPoC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Defense Dept reference to Sidney Marland's Distinguished Service Cross: https://valor.defense.gov/Portals/24/Documents/ServiceCross/ArmyDSC-WWII.pdf
One of Mr Marland's published articles on the role of career education: https://files.ascd.org/staticfiles/ascd/pdf/journals/ed_lead/el_197212_marland.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by PI 71 5280 2021 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@PI 71 5280 2021: I numbered these links as well. #1 requires a login that I don't have. #2 is definitely significant coverage. #3 could be used a source for one sentence about the Distinguished Service Cross. Since #4 is written by Marland, it's not an independent source to help with notability. It seems that you could use the NYT article, Chicago Tribune article, and the Senate report to start an article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

What to do if there's conflicting information?

I am trying to clean up an article about a park and there was one claim which appears to have conflicting information in different parts of the park's own official self-published website. Which should I keep and why? Should I just bring it up to the talk page and hope for consenSUS to happen? 2601:647:4100:10E2:3472:BA63:CF74:6741 (talk) 16:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You could try to contact the webmaster to see if they would resolve the conflict. You could also look for secondary sources to support the claim. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:46, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty But if I were to contact the web-master, then wouldn't that count as doing original research? 2601:647:4100:10E2:3472:BA63:CF74:6741 (talk) 17:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

No, because you're simply asking someone to fix their website (similar to adding {{Self-contradictory}} on a Wikipedia article). If they fix their website, you would then cite the website, so it's not your research. Original research might be measuring the dimensions with your tape measure, or taking soil samples, or counting the number and types of flora and fauna. GoingBatty (talk) 18:10, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I recently added some information about vinyl reissues of the Blows Against the Empire album. When the company made the announcement, they made a typo on their website stating that the book/album would be released in 2021, but they meant 2022. I emailed the company, they fixed the website, and then I added the correct information to the Wikipedia article. I have no connection to the company, have never heard the album, and won't be these products. GoingBatty (talk) 03:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

A little confusion about wikisource.

Some language have special format on wikisource ( like english) whereas some are in less standard format ( like nepali). So, what is the criteria for a language to have standard format on wikisource? Does the quantity of article make difference? If so, when shall we know that there are enough articles to turn it into standard? Help me please. Kushal Dev Wiki (talk) 03:00, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Kushal Dev Wiki, Wikisource is separate from Wikipedia. A question about Wikisource is better asked at Wikisource; perhaps in its multilingual "scriptorium". -- Hoary (talk) 04:54, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Kushal Dev Wiki, each of the hundreds of Wikimedia Foundation projects is autonomous with only a few exceptions, and each establishes its own local standards about issues like formatting. English Wikipedia editors have no special knowledge and no authority regarding the Nepali Wikisource project. Feel free to ask questions about editing English Wikipedia here at the Teahouse, because our purpose is to answer those types of questions. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

about new creation

Lifeofaka (talk) 06:17, 2 November 2021 (UTC) can someone please help in creating xploit comedy their are much reliable sources, on Google this means top websites like varngard ^[1]

References

^ https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/02/how-xploit-comedy-group-started-from-the-church-brizy/

Lifeofaka, you should have at least three reliable sources that discuss it in depth. If you have these, then you are free to start Draft:Xploit comedy. -- Hoary (talk) 07:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

IS IT A BAD IDEA TO EDIT AN UP-COMING PERSON WIKI?

Lifeofaka (talk) 16:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC) I always dream that one day I could be giving a privilage to edit and improved Wikipedia, today I join Wikipedia and I just successfully inproved Matthew Ishaya Audu's Wikipedia. without a mistake, am very happy I wish I could be giving a privilege to start editing .

It's not a good idea to write an article about yourself. We explain in our guideline on autobiography. Vexations (talk) 16:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Lifeofaka: If you are Audu or have any association with him, that is a conflict of interest that you must disclose on your user page. I see you added lots of information to the Matthew Ishaya Audu article without adding any reliable sources. You risk having all your work reverted if you do not also provide references. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

VERY unlikely autobiography (I would not expect a Catholic Bishop to be writing about self). COI possible. Highest priority is adding references. David notMD (talk) 20:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

It's a bad idea to edit about an "up-and-coming" person full stop. For us to have an article on a given person, entity, etc., they must have already arrived, so to speak. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 01:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

We have an essay WP:Too soon that explicitly addresses this situation. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.31 (talk) 09:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Adding the source in original language or Google Translated link (to EN)?

I consider adding a French source to an article in English. Does it make sense to add the French website or should I add the Google Translate url (example: original URL vs google translate URL Gullit13 (talk) 23:36, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Gullit13, you should certainly include the original URL of the source. Personally, I don't think it is appropriate to include a Google translated link, but I don't see a policy on this; but see WP:NONENG. --ColinFine (talk) 00:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gullit13: If you use a citation template to format the citation, then many of the more frequently used ones are set up to handle citations to non-English sourcs. You should check the documentation page for the template you want to use, but most of these templates should have |url=, |lang=, |script-title=, |title= and |trans-title= parameters that can be used for non-English sources. What I suggest you do is to add a link in the French source using the "url" parameter and the French title of whatever you're citing using the "title" parameter. For the language parameter, add "French" of the two-letter code "fr", and for the "trans-title" parameter you can add a translation of the title into English if you want. I wouldn't add a link the Google Translate as the primary url because (1) machine translations are sometimes not very good, (2) the source you're citing is not Google, and (3) there might possibly be technical reasons preventing some readers from accessing a Google Translate link. If you format the citation properly, it should indicate to the reader that the source being cited is in French, and they can then seek a translation of it if they want. You can, however, (if the template you use allows you to do so) add a brief translated quote of relevant part of the source using the |quote= parameter, but that's not always necessary. Please remember though that non-English sources still have to be considered acceptable as reliable sources for English Wikipedia per WP:RS and WP:NONENG. Many non-English Wikipedias aren't a rigorous as Engiish Wikipedia when it comes to assessing whether a source is reliable; so, just don't automatically assume sources used on other Wikipedias are OK for English Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:26, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: That makes great sense. Gullit13 09:30, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

How to add a link

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but i would appreciate if someone can just explain to me on how to add a link to a page i made. Matt Domin (talk) 13:44, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

If you mean a wikilink to another wiki page, just add square brackets around the title, so [[example]] would produce a link to example. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 13:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

The two articles which you have created are both unsourced, and may well be deleted (see section #Unsourced page above). If you've got time to correct the problems before they are deleted, you need to read about Wikipedia's definition of notability, and about referencing. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:52, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Question: Editing

Hello, I am SITX5Ntrix. Can I only edit source on Wikipedia? It's a little hard for me since my best skill is the Visual Editor. SITX5Ntrix (talk) 13:26, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi SITX5Ntrix, welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:VisualEditor#First step: enabling VE. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:11, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced page

May not be the place for this but I have found this article called M Domeigh which has no sources and was created by who appears to be the subjects brother, User:Matt Domin. It has no sources and I doubt many could be found. It also seems too be a conflict of interest as the creator is obviously involved with the subject. The user in question has made another unsourced pages about, Sniper J. Not sure what to do, I guess I could put both for deletion as that seems the most appropriate but I am not sure if that is the right step to begin with. Let me know if a should add a warning first. Any help with this matter is appreciated, thanks in advance. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 13:26, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

The article M Domeigh was only created today and I think that the new pages patrol will WP:Draftify it or even delete it completely, as it is, as you say, unsourced. You could do the draftification yourself, with a suitable edit summary and tagging with possible Projects that might be interested in improving it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

.... and another experienced editor has just had it speedily deleted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

... and from this edit it sounds as if the account should be blocked as a compromised account. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:30, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Doubt about reviewing and indexing

Hi everyone I'm actually a bit lost right now. I initially made a draft but I thought it was lost since no link showed up at the disambiguation, but this time i was able to create the page directly. Afterwards I noticed that someone merged my page with the draft. But now it bypassed the AfC review system. So I added the tag back again. Will that help for getting it reviewed? Also if it gets reviewed, will it get indexed now?( I couldnt see anything up when I googled my article) Should i delete this and start all over again? For reference, this is the page - Infinito (festival) Notashfaq (talk) 06:58, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Google won't index a new page until it has either been reviewed through the new page patrol system, or 90 days have elapsed. Special:NewPagesFeed says that more than 16 thousand pages are awaiting new page patrol, but you don't need to worry, as there is no deadline. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I see that the article has this morning been moved to draft space as Draft:Infinito (festival), because it has been deemed as nowhere near fit for mainspace. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:33, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Notashfaq: The article was draftified as it was reviewed and not deemed suitable for Wikipedia as it stands. You can work on the draft Draft:Infinito (festival) and resubmit it once improved. ––FormalDude talk 07:35, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

David Biddulph thanks for the clarification. I've made changes, could you see if its fine now? Notashfaq (talk) 08:25, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Notashfaq

Teahouse hosts are not necessarily AfC reviewers, although that does not preclude your getting comments. You have submitted the revised draft. Up to two months may pass before it is reviewed, as there is a backlog of thousands of drafts. David notMD (talk) 10:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Notashfaq: I tagged the unreferenced sections for you, and noted that the official website seems to be offline. Please resolve these issues before resubmitting. Also, for the non-English references, you could add |language= and |trans-title= paramters. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Remove Cartoon from page (Muhammad)

Its my humble request you to remove cartoon pictures of Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him) from page as shown below link. Muhammad— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.138.180.193 (talk • contribs)

Hello, you might find these summaries of previous discussions helpful: Talk:Muhammad/images and Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 09:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

None of the images on that page are "cartoons". --Khajidha (talk) 15:02, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I find a Wiki writer?

Hi:

I am looking for a credible writer to write a page for a client of mine. I believe he would qualify for a page. Sorry if this is not the place to ask this question. I am very green here. Guidance is appreciated. Thank you! Hilary Lauren (talk) 01:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

The answer is no. Us editors are generally not mercenaries looking for cash, and we're not going to write a page unless we're damned sure the sourcing exists to be able to support an article in the first place. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 01:20, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hilary Lauren: Welcome to the Teahouse. There would need to be enough coverage in reliable sources about him to be considered notable enough for Wikipedia. Getting someone to write about your client would force them to disclose a paid relationship, which is scrutinised heavily and would prevent them from directly editing the article. You would probably be better served on social media like LinkedIn. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:36, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Wow, I do not know how to use this page at all. LOL. Hitting "edit" to type a response and unsure anyone will see it. My client, I believe is quite credible. He is a very well-known speaker, entrepreneur with millions of followers, is a Forbes writer, among other media, has a business podcast with a very high ranking. So articles like this are usually created by someone who sees the notability and then creates the page gratis? Otherwise, it needs to be disclosed that a writer was paid and that would equal the page being removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:440:8600:3F00:446E:9FB6:B2F2:5A3 (talk) 01:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hilary Lauren: Articles are usually created by volunteers who have no relationship with the person they're writing about. All paid editing must be disclosed, but articles created by paid editing does not necessary mean that the article would be removed. Look out for scams from unscrupulous companies who will be happy to take your money - see Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning. GoingBatty (talk) 01:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

That's it exactly. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia built by independent volunteers, not a directory or marketing platform. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 01:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, GoingBatty! I appreciate your kind guidance. This seems like a whole other universe. I will be careful and keep searching. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:440:8600:3F00:446E:9FB6:B2F2:5A3 (talk) 01:53, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hilary Lauren, you wrote the highly promotional Draft:Ryan Stewman which was properly deleted as completely unacceptable as an article. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for any form of promotion or advertising. It is a neutral encyclopedia.. Has Stewman paid you in any way? Are you his employee? If so, you are required to comply with the mandatory Paid editing disclosure. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:00, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328, I did not write the article but oversaw the process. I was his employee at the time, but am no longer. I don't believe his page was properly written, nor did I know enough about the process to even render an opinion. Hence, my looking for guidance. This new page would be fresh, no promotional content and informational only. With the removal of any promotional aspects, I believe his accomplishments stand. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:440:8600:3F00:446E:9FB6:B2F2:5A3 (talk) 02:14, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

By the way, Hilary, you appear to be logged out of your Wikipedia account. It would help us follow the conversation if you logged in to your account, and signed your replies by adding four tildes (~~~~) at the end. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 02:20, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hilary Lauren, you are correct in that User :Ryan Stewman started the draft, but you submitted it to WP:AFC for review, which means that you were claiming that it was a good addition to the encyclopedia. It is unusual though not unknown for a second person to submit a draft written by someone else. You wrote nor did I know enough about the process to even render an opinion. You should learn enough about the process to edit capably, especially since you have an obvious conflict of interest as a former employee. If Stewman himself wrote that draft, then WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY definitely applies. If the person who wrote that draft is not Stewman, then that account should be blocked for impersonation. Which is it? In almost all cases, editors with a COI about a topic are not capable of determining whether or not an article about that topic contains promotional content. That is why the work of such editors receives extra scrutiny. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328, this was ages ago. I am not interested in editing this page. I would like someone else to do it. I simply oversaw the process. Unsure about who did what since it was so long ago. Would like to make this right. I will find a way. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:440:8600:3F00:446E:9FB6:B2F2:5A3 (talk) 04:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hilary Lauren, as requested by another editor, please log into your account before editing, so that your fellow editors can keep track of your contributions, and who is saying what in a conversation. Thank you. Is this person your client? You wrote I was his employee at the time, but am no longer. The paid editing disclosure policy does not make a distinction between "client" and "employer", nor should it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:37, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328, I am not going to be doing anything with this article. I don't know who will. I am sincerely not interested in pursuing editing the existing article, and am guessing it will live on somewhere, unpublished in this atmosphere. We are starting completely over. It will literally have nothing to do with me. I would delete the page if I knew how. So there will be zero activity with this page. Someone else will create another new fresh page that I will have nothing to do with. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I have not been treating this like a big deal because I intend to do nothing with it. Thank you. I was also looking for a way to delete this thread and there doesn't seem to be a way either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:440:8600:3F00:446E:9FB6:B2F2:5A3 (talk) 05:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Questions will be archived once no one has responded to it in 2–3 days. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:02, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hilary Lauren: Draft:Ryan Stewman was deleted in 2017. Is there another page you would like deleted? (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 14:40, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hilary Lauren: Some friendly advice that is intended to save you time, money and disappointment. Being a guest contributor for Forbes, Entrepreneur and Huffington Post is not the same as having the media coverage required by Wikipedia to demonstrate notability. I don't see any media coverage for him, or his books. Self podcasts, social media activity (including follower count) and Amazon listings are controlled by the subject, and do not demonstrate notability. See WP:GNG for a more detailed explanation. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

New Page

Hello,

I just posted a new page on Wikipedia, but it seems to be rejected already? (Some of the rejedctions are from 3 months ago when I just made the page.) How do I get my page published?

Thank you! Ukiyoung (talk) 15:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ukiyoung: Welcome to the Teahouse! You did not start the Draft:Naoki Terada page, you edited an existing draft that was rejected months ago. Your text is very similar to the text that was written by Chatsha57, but without the proper footnotes - are you the same editor? Per the comments from 2020, you would need to demonstrate that this person meets WP:GNG by providing independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of him. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:54, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The reason that it is shown as declined multiple times and then rejected is that you attached your content to the front of an existing draft which had already been through the review process multiple times. The first thing you need to do is to read the feedback from the various previous reviews (and the various wikilinks shown in blue within that feedback). In particular you need to see why the subject had been deemed not to be notable in Wikipedia's terms. If you believe that you now have evidence of notability which wasn't available at the time of rejection, you should remove your new material and edit the existing draft to add your new evidence, making sure that you add the evidence as properly cited references, see WP:Referencing for beginners, rather than just throwing a list of so-called "references" onto the end of the text. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ukiyoung According to our logs, you have made only two edits so far [12], and did not create Draft:Naoki Terada. Are you also editing as User:Chatsha57? If so, please not that that is not allowed. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry for more information. Vexations (talk) 16:07, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Ukiyoung I removed the duplicate text because after a cursory look it seemed similar to the existing rejected text. If you need to retrieve it, it can be found in the revision history. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello - Newcomer writing first article - help on getting it approved

Hello - I had an article ont he Cotswold Boys Club rejected because I didn't have enough secondary sources - what kinds of sources would I need to include to get it approved. It's difficult because theyre a secret society. Theyre listed in the national archives which I have referenced, and everybody in my hometown have heard things about them and know about them, but I'm not sure what else I would need to include. Can somebody help me? BenjaminGeorge2769 (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@BenjaminGeorge2769: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia articles use published sources that are independent, reliable, and provide significant coverage about the topic. Per Help:Your first article, you should first gather the sources, and then summarize/paraphrase what they say. If there are not multiple sources to show that the club meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability", then your draft will not be approved. GoingBatty (talk) 15:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@BenjaminGeorge2769: Plenty of secret societies have coverage. That's what makes them notable. See Skull and Bones. Being secret won't excuse them from needing media coverage, or it could just be a hoax. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:14, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BenjaminGeorge2769, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I don't want to dampen your enthusiams for getting involved in this unique project, but what you are doing is a bit like saying "I want to help improve the built environment in my town, so the first thing I'm going to do is build a new house with my own two hands!" Very laudable - but likely to bring you lots of wasted effort, frustration, and disappointment, as you watch your house fall down about you or be pulled down by the authorities for being unsafe. In particular, it has no chance of succeeding if you don't know how to survey the site for suitability (determine if the subject is notable) or build the foundations (find the independent, reliable, substantial, published sources that are an absolute non-negotiable requirement for any article) before trying to build the house.

My suggestion is that you put aside the idea of creating a new article for at least a few months while you "learn the building trade" by helping with existing builds - improving some of our six million existing articles. I remember when I started in 2005 I was desperately looking for somewhere where I could "make my mark" by adding a new article; but now I understand that almost all attempts at articles by editors who try too soon arguably add negative value to Wikipedia, because they take up other editors' time on things that at least nine times out of ten were not suitable for Wikipedia in the first place. --ColinFine (talk) 17:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing Celebrity Pages

Hi! I'm completely new to the Wiki community and really need some help understanding on how to become a contributor/administrator of specific pages. I work with a ex-professional football player who wants to update his page to reflect his recent career and achievements. I was tasked to edit the pages with the new & approved (by him) text to add, but pretty soon after I updated the page the new copy was reverted.

How do I see why something is reverted and is it possible to get some kind of 'ownership' of the page?

Thanks for your help, Isla Islandpearson (talk) 15:55, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Islandpearson: there is no such thing as ownership of a Wikipedia article. Your edit was reverted by SQGibbon for being unsourced and promotional, neither of which is allowed here. I'll post a general welcome on your user talk page I a second. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Islandpearson: Welcome to the Teahouse! Once you follow the paid editing disclosure that Victor Schmidt mobil mentioned on your talk page, you may submit suggestions for improving the Samuel Eto'o article on the article's talk page Talk:Samuel Eto'o with the {{request edit}} template, or use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Be sure to provide published independent reliable sources with your request. I suggest making multiple small requests, as some editors are not interested in making major additions. Start by requesting the most important information, and then make another request when the first has been completed. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:19, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

And, Islandpearson, please understand that the article about your football player not only does not belong to him, but is not in any way for his benefit. If it happens that independent published sources about him are positive, then he may indeed get some benefit from the article; if it happens that a lot of published coverage is negative, then he may prefer that the article not be there. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what he wants, or on what he or his associates say, but on what has been reliably published about him. --ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

About redirects

Redirects

I feel like there are too many redirects. If I want to remove a redirect, but am worried it'll get deleted and I'll get warnings and stuff, what do I do?

I'm just gonna explain real quick. The reason I want to remove some is because some redirected pages redirect to almost completely unrelated topics. For example, Waterflame redirects to Geometry Dash, with the two being almost completely nonidentical besides the fact that Geometry Dash uses his songs. What if someone wants to know more about the redirected thing, only to find out it's the way it is? So that's what I wanted to explain, thanks for listening. :) WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 22:52, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@WaterflameIsAwesome If you think that an item deserves its own page, and you think the subject meets the notability guidelines and particularly is best covered as a separate page, you can replace the redirect. If you, however, want to get rid of a redirect or change the redirect to point somewhere else, you can use the Redirects for discussion process to seek feedback. Vahurzpu (talk) 23:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@WaterflameIsAwesome for deletion, you can see the Redirect for discussion link above. For learning more about redirects, wp:redirects can help. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 18:02, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Kate Miller page needs new image

This page needs a new image (lots to choose from in media I think) and a serious edit. Lots incorrect and incomplete. SHE DOES NOT WANT ARTICLE DELETED ONLY CORRECTED. And why is she still blocked? Any images from here would work.www.imb.me/katemiller or here https://www.instagram.com/iamkatemiller/?hl=en or here https://www.facebook.com/dorieentertainment

There are multiple images uploaded to this wikimedia linked page as well. 172.116.188.176 (talk) 18:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi IP and welcome to the Teahouse. I am assuming good faith that this is not Kate herself, or someone speaking on her behalf, because that would be block evasion (WP:BE) and would further injure any opportunity for a potential unblock. To answer your question concerning the image, it is possible to update the image on the article so long as the image used is a free image not under copyright which most likely is the case for all the sites you have listed. Someone with a better understanding of our copyright policies can respond further and may be able to give instances where images from those sites may be used once policy is followed and the images are deemed free of any copyright restrictions. See WP:COPY and WP:IUP. Happy editing! --ARose Wolf 18:40, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Kate Miller The article is at AfD and does not look like it's going to survive, so this is moot. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:41, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Agreed and thank you, Tim. Mine was more to the benefit of the IP commenting rather than the survivability of the article itself. --ARose Wolf 18:45, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Working

I was working on a new entry in Wikipedia: Jose Fernandez, author of book for Fame The Musical. I’m unable to find my work in progress. ḗḗḗḗḗ Sol1987 (talk) 18:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Sol1987 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have no edits from your account(other than here), and Jose Fernandez is currently a redirect to a disambiguation page. No draft by that name has existed either. Did you create a draft without an account? 331dot (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Sol1987: I do not see any other edits in your edit history, nor do I see a draft by that name. Unfortunately, you may not have saved the draft correctly. You have to click "publish changes" to save it. Sorry. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sol1987, I’m basically echoing 331dot, are you sure you are logged in with the right account? This account seems to be one day old and this seems to be your only edit, could you cross check if you currently logged in the correct account? Celestina007 (talk) 18:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404)

I am trying to upload a photo into my "infobox musical artist". I uploaded the photo to Wikimedia commons and it populates in the info box, but when I go to publish my changes, I get "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404)". I am using the visual editor. XtraSuper (talk) 19:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@XtraSuper: Welcome to the Teahouse! I was able to add your File:Bedouin 2021.jpg to Draft:Bedouin (DJs) using the source editor. It's a very nice photo of them! Since you seem to have a conflict of interest, be sure you declare it on your user page. Your draft is also lacking references. I hope you have gathered multiple independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of them, showing how they meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability", and your draft is a summary of those sources. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Helping revise/edit an article that hasn't been published yet

Hello. I've been asked to go in and clean up an article that has not been published yet under the title "Killer Nashville". I've signed in and am wondering how I locate an article that hasn't been published. Thanks for any help that you can offer! Hedman1 (talk) 20:31, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi! You are looking for Draft:Killer Nashville, which is a draft. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 20:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hedman1, and welcome to the Teahouse. Who asked you to do this? Remember that a Wikipedia article is not in any way for the benefit of the subject, and if somebody associated with the convention has asked you to do this, then you immediately have a conflict of interest. This doesn't preclude you from working on the draft, but you should be aware of PSCOI. Certainly the draft needs some work, because it is currently very obviously almost all about what the convention wants to say about itself. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 21:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

At the refs, PRWeb and the conference's own website do not contribute to notability (what the organization says about itself is not independent). David notMD (talk) 21:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

vandalism bot

Geothermal Geoscience (talk) 21:52, 2 November 2021 (UTC) My extensive rewrite was flagged with a vandalims indicator. It appeared that the bot didn't like taking out entire sections of text that I had replaced or were misleading. How can avoid having to edit twice? What if I just took out smaller chunks?

Courtesy: Geothermal exploration. You removed large blocks of referenced text with no valid explanation. You provided no "rewrite." The 'bot reverted you, and when did it again, as three edits, I reverted you. Make your case at the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 22:06, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

At second look, it appears you first added large blocks of unreferenced text as 2600:1700:9460:B1C0:69A5:E146:FDD7:6697, an IP address assigned to a person who does not have an account. Afterward, you then removed the referenced text. I have now reverted the article to the state it was in before you began. I recommend you revise a section at a time, with references. David notMD (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Geothermal Geoscience and welcome to the teahouse. I see that you are new to editing here at WikiP. Please take a moment to look at Wikipedia:GettingStarted. Your knowledge of any and all subjects is appreciated but you need to be aware that edits to articles need to be properly referenced to outside reliable sources. While David notMD has covered the edits to one article this edit is unsourced and may be reverted. We are not doubting the info - it is just that it is WP:OR at this time. Also you marked this edit as minor. Please don't do that. See Help:Minor edit for further explanation. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 22:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Reposting this question in case someone else is interested in brainstorming ideas (thank you so much Nick for your insightful response)

Hi everyone! I work for a non-profit called Aspen Global Change Institute (AGCI). Over the last 6 years, we have curated an online resource called the Energy Table (agci.org/energy_table), a comprehensive table for global energy statistics, ranging from the availability of energy sources to energy storage data. Each data point is individually referenced and linked to the online reference, there is a glossary that describes all of the terms in this table, and each energy resource can also be further explored. There is a curriculum available with a number of questions that use the data from the table, aimed at students who want to learn more about global energy statistics.

Some lessons we have learned from it: It's unique: There is not a comprehensive energy data online resource such as this; it functions as a one-stop-shop for updated energy data. It's valuable: Students, consultants, and the general public have access to updated quality statistics produced by world-leading scientific organizations. It's hard for AGCI to maintain: AGCI has done maintenance for the past 6 years, updating data points once/year. It takes us many hours to review and update the data points, and many data points could be updated more frequently. It could be reaching a broader audience: While we have seen consistent visits over the years, we know that this resource has the potential to reach a much broader audience.

Because of these lessons, I believe the energy table would fit better in Wikipedia. This would increase its use as well as the data updating schedule, which would make it more precise and accurate.

I do not have much experience with uploading content to Wikipedia, so I would appreciate it if experienced volunteers could let me know if what I have in mind is viable, and what would be the best approach to getting it done.

Thank you very much for your comments, ideas, suggestions, and contributions! MartinBonzi (talk) 21:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@MartinBonzi Hi Martin, and welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your most unusual and interesting post. If I understand you correctly, rather than hoping for an article about your organisation, you'd be interested in moving this very large data table (based upon numerous reliably published international sources) from your own website to one maintained on Wikipedia? (Martin: Yes) At first sight, that might seem counter-intuitive, but I can see a rationale for making summary data on global energy sources much more widely available on Wikipedia in the relevant article. (I haven't checked, but maybe there is already something akin to it, albeit much simpler than your own?)(Martin: Not really, it is not centralized in one place as in the Energy Table). I do know that other scientists have in the past made similar decisions to publish detailed information on Wikipedia so as to make it more widely available. (For example, some years ago the Sanger institute at Cambridge decided to publish all its human genome and protein data on Wikipedia some years ago, and I created a very short video interview with someone involved in that project, which shows that Wikipedia can be used by serious scientific research as well as for general education. See HERE at 6min 25 secs in).

I do have some concerns with your idea. One is that it looks immensely complex - possibly too complex for Wikipedia, and would not only need the same level of maintenance to keep it up to date, but would potentially be prone to the routine vandalism we get - so monitoring for that would be essential. Wikipedia is only in English, and a better route for managing data like this could be done through a related Wikimedia Foundation project, known as WIKIDATA. Unfortunately I have no real knowledge of Wikidata myself, but believe this could be an avenue far more worth exploring, as it has many potential uses, and data held within it can be used in multiple languages. So, I'm going to ping User:Ainali who is a whizz in that field, and also has strong interests in Sustainability and Climate Change (see also Wikipedia:WikiProject Energy and m:Wikimedians_for_Sustainable_Development). He might wish to comment.

Now, I'm not sure I can help you much further myself - and I suspect some Wikipedia editors might think your proposal wouldn't work here at all. But I do think there's potential to explore it further, especially as the topics that your data tables relate to are definitely WP:NOTABLE in themselves, though I'm not sure which other doors to recommend you push at. I suspect you may already know what current articles cite data taken from your collated datatables or use the original sources, or even which articles here could be improved by accessing the better sources that your academic team curates. So, creating a list of these could, itself, be helpful in any discussions (Martin: I haven't done this yet, but am considering doing so). I hope this reply is at least not totally discouraging and proves to be of some use to you and your team of academics. :Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (Martin: Not at all discouraging, Nick! Thank you so much for your time and insights!)(talk) 22:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC) MartinBonzi (talk) 23:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

History section in the article

Hello, I have a question reg information in the article. You can see here newspaper reports reg war crimes during wartime. Should this report be inserted in the article Azykh (village). This would be acceptable in case of massive war crimes, or as result of ivestigation. Please, advice. What do you think? --Aydin mirza (talk) 23:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC) Aydin mirza (talk) 23:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Aydin mirza. I have altered your link, because it was broken. You used double brackets, which are for internal wikilinks, but you gave a URL, which, if you're going to use it, belongs within single brackets (external links); but more seriously, you put the text "here" which you wanted to display, first. This reversed your intention, and created a Wikilink to the ireelevant disambiguation page here, but displaying as the URL The answer to questions like yours is almost always "Raise the matter on the talk page of the article in question, which is likely to be seen by people who are interested in that subject, rather than at the Teahouse, where most people seeing your question will know nothing whatever about te subject". Alternatively, you could be bold, and make the change to the article yourself. The worst that can happen is that somebody disagrees, and removes it again. -ColinFine (talk) 00:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

User:ColinFine, thank you for your reply and corrections with my applying. Sorry for mistakes with applying, I'm first time on this Page and not familiar. As regards to my question, discussion is already opened on Talk Page, but the Users adviced to apply here. I'm not satisfied with the arguments against romoving of this information. My edition was reverted with the comment "it should be keep, because of "relieble sources". I need advice concerning guidelines and policy of the project. is there any guideline refers to such kind of information in te articles? or where have I apply to get respond for? Thank you in advance. --Aydin mirza (talk) 01:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)sorry

Hi, Aydin mirza. Sorry I didn't check the talk page before answering. For what to do when you can't reach agreement on the talk page, see dispute resolution. --ColinFine (talk) 11:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, User:ColinFine, ok,I will see it. Thank you very much. --Aydin mirza (talk) 23:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Add to list question

A few weeks ago, I made a page for an episode of The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Can I add it to the episode list? The episode is called Pooh Oughta Be in Pictures. LeotheBoy1110 (talk) 22:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@LeotheBoy1110: Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears that it would be better to add the link to List of The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh episodes., as the episode isn't mentioned at The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Could you please expand the reference in Pooh Oughta Be in Pictures to include the article title and any other information you have (e.g. URL, page number, author's name). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:55, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I need help

Do you know of anything that can teach me how to edit tone? Cjs1 23:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cjs1: Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Information style and tone and Wikipedia:Words to watch, perhaps? ~Anachronist (talk) 00:00, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Feedback welcome for article

Hi everyone, I've made first large edit by expanding on the stub Black Guns Matter and would greatly appreciate any feedback. I tried filling out the views and activities of the group and adding more sources in. I'm also curious where else I could look for feedback, the Talk pages of related wikiprojects maybe? Thanks in advance! LatakiaHill (talk) 18:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @LatakiaHill:, there is a script available that provides guidance on what consitutes a good source. It might be worth getting hold of it, you can ask at the Afc desk. I removed two non-RS sources. Unreliable. Fox News is one of them. They RS team must have finally lost patience. Hope that helps. All-in-all pretty decent work!! scope_creep^Talk 19:09, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Scope creep: for the swift and helpful feedback! I understand the removal of the CPAC video, but I have a question regarding the Fox News sources. The sources section on Fox News and its shows suggest that they may be quoted for "attributed opinions," cited with an in-text attribution. Even if Fox News is deemed not factually reliable for politics, I think the article makes it clear that I am only citing Fox News for the opinions of the organization's founder as stated on their show. Would it be appropriate to roll back the Fox News citation, or should it still be dropped? Alternatively, would it be better if I cited a reliable source that quotes or mentions the Fox News segment instead, or maybe is there a way to make it clearer that Fox News is only being referenced here for an attributed opinion? Thanks again for your help. --LatakiaHill (talk) 22:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I see what you mean, but wouldn't use it all it, although it does the fit the narrative, but it is a bit of rant. I would try and rebalance the article somewhat. WP:NPOV is one our core policies. I would look better sources, if you can. Otherwise just take out the sentence as it is taking a swipe at one group without balancing it out with counter-argument. scope_creep^Talk 22:36, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Understood, I'll look around for something better than. Thanks! --LatakiaHill (talk) 01:17, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Kann mir jemand helfen?

FYI

– Added section header. GoingBatty (talk) 01:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Kann mir jemand helfen? Mir wird immer angegeben das meine Benutzerseite nicht exitiert. Aber warum nicht und was kann ich nun machen? Die Hilfeseiten helfen da nicht weiter. Liebe Grüße --W.G. König (talk) 01:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@W.G. König: Welcome to the Teahouse! Since this is the English Wikipedia, please post future questions in English. Google Translate states you asked "Can someone help me? I am always told that my user page does not exit. But why not and what can I do now? The help pages do not help." Your user page doesn't exist because you have not yet created it. If you click on User:W.G. König, you'll be prompted to start it. Type some text about what you like to do on Wikipedia and then click "Publish page". Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:19, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Translating the above into german -> Willkommen im Teehaus! Da dies die englische Wikipedia ist, posten Sie bitte zukünftige Fragen auf Englisch. [...] Ihre Benutzerseite existiert nicht, weil Sie sie noch nicht erstellt haben. Wenn Sie auf User:W.G. König klicken, werden Sie aufgefordert, es zu starten. Geben Sie einen Text darüber ein, was Sie gerne auf Wikipedia tun, und klicken Sie dann auf "Seite veröffentlichen". Viel Spaß beim Editieren! (from WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 02:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC))

Need help with revision, part 2

I used to be a part of this church. Can someone explain how this reads unlike an advertisement rather than an entry in an encyclopedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Baptist_Church

I am doing the same thing for this church as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:San_Francisco_Mandarin_Baptist_Church

Please help. Thank you! Theomizuhara (talk) 07:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, for starters, "Tokyo Baptist Church has two multi site campuses in Misato, Saitama and Tachikawa, Tokyo." I don't understand the notion of a "multi site campus" for a church. Anyway, it appears to have buildings in Tokyo and Saitama; no mention of other buildings anywhere else. Yet, mysteriously, it's described as "an international church". In what sense is it "international"? The draft appears to have a total of just one independent source: this. When I click on it, I see no information whatever. (Is my browser at fault?) It thus appears to have no independent sourcing whatever, and this just isn't good enough. -- Hoary (talk) 08:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

For me, the word "church" has two meanings. It can mean a consecrated building; or it can designate a branch of the Christian faith, like "Church of England". Tokyo Baptist Church doesn't seem to fit either of those, so I'm not sure what it's about. Maproom (talk) 08:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Theomizuhara: can I check if I understand your question right? Are you wondering why Draft:San Francisco Mandarin Baptist Church was not accepted, even though Tokyo Baptist Church exists, and you used that article as a model for the SF Mandarin Baptist Church draft? If that is your question, the answer is that Tokyo Baptist Church is not a good article to model a draft on. There are many Wikipedia articles that are not at all what we'd wish. The article about the church in Tokyo should be rewritten, or perhaps even deleted if there are no good sources about it.

As for the draft you are working on, keep in mind that a Wikipedia article is not a way for the church to publish its basic facts and news – that is the job of a directory service, not an encyclopedia. Use sources that are independent of the church, and base the draft on the information in such sources. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 13:57, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Theomizuhara, it seems as if I misinterpreted your question. If Bonadea's interpretation is right, then I agree, though I'd put it more strongly: Tokyo Baptist Church is an utterly wretched article to use as a model. Indeed, it cries out to be nominated for deletion; but the onus is on the nominator to look for sources that previous editors haven't bothered to cite (or look for); I'm rather preoccupied (with Wikipedia-unrelated matters) to be able to do this properly, and therefore I'll pass. As for Draft:San Francisco Mandarin Baptist Church, for the most part it fails even to be written in sentences. Branches San Francisco Mandarin Baptist Church has two multi site campuses in Sunset and Financial Districts, San Francisco is a sentence if we strip "Branches" from its start, but the notion of "multi site campuses" remains a mystery. -- Hoary (talk) 23:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

The (wretched) article on the Tokyo organization has had an intermittently "flavourful" history. (Sample.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:17, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Implementing Wikipedia templates, modules etc. onto Fandom.com

I run a very small and very uncomplete wiki on fandom.com and I was trying to use some of the styling used here. One thing, in particular, I was trying to get working was using Template:Infobox. I copied over a few Modules and Templates but realised this was way too complicated for me to do, so I came here in a desperate attempt to ask for help in trying to achieve it. If anyone could help with this, I would be extremely grateful! <3

(Also I hope this is where I'm supposed to ask this, I wasn't too sure) Pigeon <3 (talk) 00:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pigeon <3: What is the wiki you are using? It might be clearer to me if I could get more information about what you're doing. Thanks. If you want, you can use the classic Infobox, nothing too fancy. You might not want to spend all your time on that one thing. I'll look into it to help you more.

WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 00:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Pigeon43, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, we are sorry your question has gone unanswered for a long while now, whilst I may not be of much help as I’m no technical editor, I hope some of our fine technical editors here can be so kind as to answer this question. Pinging Primefac, EEng, Buidhe, Trialpears please could any of you be so kind as to aid in answering this? Celestina007 (talk) 02:32, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Unfortunately I don't have any experience with copying between here and there; I vaguely recall everything works in a similar manner but if you've copy/pasted things and they aren't working then I'm out of ideas. Primefac (talk) 07:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
No, it's really no rush I promise! I'm just going to try and catch some sleep now anyway (been a long day haha). Maybe a good way to do this would be to message me directly (if that's possible here) instead of clogging up this page? Either way, please don't waste any time you don't have on my silly little question! /gen Thank you, though! Pigeon <3 (talk) 02:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, only just seen your message, WaterflameIsAwesome. It's really embarrassing :/, but there's the link: [13]. Try not to cringe too hard lol Pigeon <3 (talk) 02:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing main page

Is it possible to edit the main page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damianlewis21 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, as can be seen from its history. It was most recently edited by Izno. But you can't edit it. Still, you can suggest edits to it. Note that most of it simply transcludes what is edited elsewhere. You can't edit that, either, but you can suggest edits to it. -- Hoary (talk) 04:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Damianlewis21. Because of the extremely high potential for vandalism immediately visible to millions of readers, the main page can only be edited by administrators. It is subject to a heightened level of protection called cascading protection. I have been an administrator for over four years and have never edited the main page and probably never will. Certain administrators specialize in working on the main page. I prefer to work on enduring content and the main page changes too rapidly for my tastes. But I respect the administrators and editors who work very hard to maintain it as an informative and reliable introduction to Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, hmm, yes, kind of. But really, Damianlewis21, the main page is a very stable framework that transcludes a number of templates. It's these templates that change rapidly. Like Cullen328, I've never edited the main page (or wanted to); as far as I remember, I've never edited any of the templates, either. An administrator who sets out to edit the main page is greeted (?) by a message that, with only slight exaggeration, could be paraphrased and shortened as "Are you out of your mind? Just don't." Again, any editor is welcome to make concise, reasoned, intelligent suggestions for changes to the main page. If you wish to do so, make sure you're on the talk page of the relevant template. -- Hoary (talk) 06:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

See Talk:Main Page for where to make suggestions. I have edited the main page – once in 2013. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Please change the DP of Chansung with some good pic. Hwang Chan-sung

Dear Wikipedia, please kindly change the DP of our Chansung with some good one. We hottest(chanwives) try to edit but facing copyrights issue and it is getting removed. so please kindly consider it. Thank you. 122.173.207.101 (talk) 08:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You were given advice at User talk:Mardhiyah.yazid. Please don't ask the same question at the Help Desk and here on the Teahouse, as it wastes the time of volunteers replying to a question that has already been answered. In general the place to discuss an article is on its talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:17, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

How do i insert extra information on a person's name?

For example Einstein's wikipedia page begins with

"Albert Einstein (/ˈaɪnstaɪn/ EYEN-styne; German: [ˈalbɛʁt ˈʔaɪnʃtaɪn] (About this soundlisten); 14 March 1879 – 18 April 1955) was a German-born theoretical physicis..."

How do I add those info in a page that i am interested in creating? LostCitrationHunter (talk) 08:47, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

LostCitrationHunter Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. My personal advice would be to get an article(not just a "page") created before concerning yourself with a detail like that. You may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft, though you should read Your First Article and gather at least three independent reliable sources with significant coverage to summarize. 331dot (talk) 08:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The wikisource used in that case is: " '''Albert Einstein''' ({{IPAc-en|ˈ|aɪ|n|s|t|aɪ|n}} {{respell|EYEN|styne}};<ref name="NDxay" /> {{IPA-de|ˈalbɛʁt ˈʔaɪnʃtaɪn|lang|Albert Einstein german.ogg}}; 14 March 1879 – 18 April 1955) was a German-born [[Theoretical physics|theoretical physicist]], ... " so you would use equivalent code in the page which you wish to create. The various templates used each have their own documentation. Do you have a more specific question? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Adding a person to Wikipedia

How do you create a profile for a well known artist that does not have a page on Wikipedia? Smorluv (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! If you haven't already done so, please read Your first article, Notability, and Notability – artists. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 11:26, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

But please note, Smorluv, that 1) Wikipedia does not contain profiles. Not one. It contains encyclopaedia articles, which are a different thing; 2) if you try creating an article before you have "learned the trade" of editing Wikipedia, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing time, and possibly see your effort wasted; and 3) promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia. If you purpose is to get involved with one of the greatest collaborative creations ever, you are very welcome; if your purpose is telling the world about your artist, then you should do it somewhere else.

Merging Obviously Duplicated Articles?

I am an extremely new Wiki editor. I have joined mostly to solve one issue that has bugged me for a while. The Lampropeltis leonis and Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri pages need to be merged. I just don't know how to do it. L. leonis was believed to be a subspecies of L. mexicana, but it has in the past few years been considered a full species by the majority of the scientific community. The body of the L. m. thayeri article is completely accurate, it just has the outdated name attached, while the current name is attached to a different article. Does anyone have any advice on merging an article where the main body of the article is in the article that redirects? BlitzarExotics (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BlitzarExotics! To request articles to be mreged into one, please visit Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers and follow the instructions listed there. Panini!^🥪 13:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

When will my article be reviewed?

Hello Teahouse,

I wrote an article and submitted it back in May 2021 and have so far not received any feedback/review. I previously read that it can take between 3-6 months for a page to be approved although there is no set order to reviews.

As I am brand new to this and spent quite a considerable amount of time on the page, I would really appreciate some guidance on this process.

Here is the page in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Killa_Design_Architecture

Many thanks. Holdsworthb (talk) 12:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You have not submitted your draft Draft:Killa Design Architecture for review, I have added the template for you, but please be advised it is likely to be declined immediately as advertising. Theroadislong (talk) 12:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Holdsworthb: please review WP:NPOV and MOS:PEACOCK. Wikipedia articles are written in a dry neutral tone, which this draft is not. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 12:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Theroadislong, however I am still very lost with this process. I wrote the article and on completion selected publish, thinking that would be the next step in the process. The template you have provided is also very confusing to someone who is new to Wikipedia. Can you please give me some form of step by step. Just out of curiosity, why would the article that I have written be declined due to advertising? When I searched for Killa Design on Wikipedia, I noticed they didn't have a presence like other organisations in the same field, so I wanted to contribute. Could someone please explain this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Holdsworthb (talk • contribs) 12:23, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

To answer the first part of your question, you are one of many people who have been confused because of a decision by those controlling the Wikimedia software. They decided to change the button that used to say Save but now says Publish; they didn't make it clear that this doesn't publish to mainspace, but merely saves the updated version of the file, in this case your draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:30, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Once you have removed all advertising and promotional tone you, simply click the button that says "submit your draft for review". For example the very first sentence is straight from the companies marketing department "award-winning architecture studio that creates timeless, transformative, adaptive but resilient spaces and designs which are unique, innovative, embrace sustainability and are contextually inspired" and totally inappropriate. Theroadislong (talk) 12:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

As you have stated at commons:File:Killa Design Logo.jpg that you are the copyright holder for the organisation's logo, you need to read about conflict of interest, and you need to make the mandatory definition of paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:48, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Holdsworthb: I suggest you review Help:Your first article if you have not already done so. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

The first paragraph of an article should tell us basic things about the subject. Instead, you have strung together promotional buzzwords, and conveyed no information at all. The effect is nauseating, and reflects badly on the subject of the draft. Maproom (talk) 14:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

How do you flag an article for being poorly written/citing poor source/including information intended to skew a viewpoint to a specific direction?

I'm pretty new to editing wikipedia so pardon if this is obviously answered somewhere, however I tried to find the protocol for this and had little luck finding anything outside outdated or no-longer-applicable information. Can someone point me to a resource for how to do this? I will eventually get around to trying to fix the article myself but I currently don't have the time to do it so I just want to put up a flag so that anyone reading it right now will be aware it has serious issues and give anyone else who has the knowledge necessary as well as the time to do so the opportunity to review it. RolledOats131 (talk) 14:45, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Maintenance templates like {{pov}} or {{Partisan sources}} will do the kind of thing you're hoping for but it's also a good idea to leave a note on the talk page explaining the problem as you see it too, for context for anyone who would want to address it. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @RolledOats131: Welcome to the Teahouse! The Wikipedia maintenance templates include {{copy edit}}, {{cite check}}, and {{POV}}. You can also use the inline template {{better source needed}} to tag individual sources. After adding these templates, you can also post information on the article talk page to give more information on why you added the templates. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Newspapers.com clippings when account is inactive

Hello,

Does anyone know happens to clippings that a user has saved on newspapers.com if they cancel their subscription? If used in a Wikipedia citation do the links in those citations die?

Thanks in advance! Trillkat (talk) 15:19, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Trillkat: I believe they still persist, but I'm not 100% sure. If you're concerned, go to edit history, click fix dead links, check the box for add archive to all, and run the bot. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Thanks for the response and information. I'm really just wondering for personal reference. I have my own personal newspapers.com account (it's active), but was worried what would happen to clippings that I've used as citations if for whatever reason I decided to cancel. I'll have to look at their website some more. Trillkat (talk) 16:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

adding additonal credits

Why are some accounts protected? OldNatchezTrace (talk) 16:11, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@OldNatchezTrace, various pages on Wikipedia (both articles and other types of pages) are restricted to experienced editors to prevent disruption; see Wikipedia:Protection policy. If you'd like to make an edit to such a page, you can click the request button in the notice that tells you you're unable to edit the page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^{[[User talk:|talk]]} 16:22, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Sdkb

Notability guidelines for a vehicle

Hello! So while clicking the Random article button to find a random article to improve (whether it simply be changing a link so that it isn't a red link and goes where it's intended to or adding sources) I can across an article about a train with no references. I'm wondering what (if any) are the notability guidelines for a vehicle so that I know what sources to look for. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: There's an essay at WP:NVEHICLES, which "does not replace the WP:N requirement for significant coverage in secondary sources" and "should not be used to make decisions for WP:Criteria for speedy deletion." Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Yep! Thanks! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:00, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft for already existing article

What do I do if I see a draft with a name identical to an existing article. The Tips of Apmh (talk) 13:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh: Welcome to the Teahouse! You don't have to do anything. It will eventually probably fall into one of these categories:

The draft duplicates the topic of the article, and an AfC reviewer will point that out when the draft is submitted
The draft is about a different topic than the article, and an editor will assign a new name when the draft is moved to articlespace (e.g. If there was a draft about a politician named Larry Andersen, the new article might be named Larry Andersen (politician) so it doesn't conflict with Larry Andersen the baseball player)
The draft will be deleted after six months of inactivity.

Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 14:22, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: That helps. Thanks. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 17:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of contribution that is verified

I made additions to Alexander Zverev's (a top tennis player) page where I added that he was accused by his former girlfriend of physical and emotional abuse, but that he denied it, and in to which the Association of Tennis Professionals has now opened an investigation. Even though I linked all news articles backing up the above information, and didn't defame him in any way as all this is public information, it has all been deleted from his page. I received no notification or justification for the deletion, even though I made sure that the alerts were on to the changes I made. How can this happen when I cited about 8 credible sources of news backing up all the additions that I made? Snydercut1! (talk) 07:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Snydercut1! Being accused of something is not the same as being found guilty of that thing. We normally don’t promote, as yet unsubstantiated accusations in this encyclopaedia. Best to wait, and then only add to an article if it’s both relevant and does not give UNDUE weight or focus to such events. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Of course, accusations don't equal guilt but the news is public and therefore everybody deserves the chance to know about it. That the ATP has opened up investigation into the matter says something about the veracity of the claims which is why the ATP felt that an investigation was warranted. It is the first time in ATP's history that an investigation like this has been sanctioned and is taking place - doesn't this deserve mention? And no where have I said nor do I believe that he is guilty of the act unless the results are made public because that would be unfair; I am only stating the facts that are already out there in the public domain and therefore merit a place on his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snydercut1! (talk • contribs) 06:30, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Snydercut1! No they don't automatically merit a mention! You must wait until news breaks across one or mainstream platforms of a guilty finding before adding accusations. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Citing short story in collection

I've been doing a lot of editing on the John Varley and Eight Worlds pages, but the only source I actually have physical access to is the collection The Persistence of Vision, which contains a number of Varley's short anthology stories. All of these stories (as far as I can tell) were initially published years beforehand in sci-fi magazines.

What are the guidelines for citing the short stories within a collection? I've just been treating the whole collection as a book and each story as a 'chapter' in the {{Cite book}} template, but this solution is clunky and unsatisfactory. Does anyone know the official style way to handle a case like this? HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 17:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith: Thanks for your contributions so far! Syntax-wise, I don't think there's anything wrong with how you're creating the citations. However, I'd like to point out that while using primary sources (the book itself) for the plot is generally okay, Wikipedia actually prefers to use secondary sources because it helps you figure out due and undue weight, aka what's important and what's not. If you can find reliable reviews/analyses of Varley's book series, that will greatly improve the Wikipedia article's sourcing. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

will i be violating wiki rules?

Is it safe for to add an infobox to my user page? Won't i be blocked or warned? Motlatlaneo (talk) 18:21, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Motlatlaneo: Welcome to the Teahouse! {{Infobox Wikipedia user}} was designed for user pages. As long as you follow the guidelines on Wikipedia:User pages, you'll be fine. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Should I edit file descriptions in Wikimedia commons?

I was wondering if I should edit the description of Commons:File:Watt balance, large view.jpg as it is out of date (because the kilogram is no longer defined by a physical artifact). I was a bit hesitant because I don't know if we're supposed to edit those descriptions (as it was true when the file was uploaded). Thank you! Lone Warrior 007 (talk) 18:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Lone Warrior 007, and welcome to the Teahouse. I would have thought it was worth updating the description; but the place to ask is at Commons:Commons:Help desk, rather than on Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Lone Warrior 007: Welcome to the Teahouse! I think it would be reasonable and helpful for you to update the description. For example, you could change it to something like "~~Currently~~ The primary standard defining all the world's mass and weight units is was the International Prototype of the Kilogram (IPK) until 2019, when it was replaced by a new definition of the kilogram based on physical constants."

@ColinFine: Oh, I see. Thank you! I was indeed thinking that Wikipedia wasn't the best place to ask about it but I only knew about Teahouse and hence I asked here...Lone Warrior 007 (talk) 18:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Help about editing sandbox pages

So there’s one sandbox for all the pages your wanting to create, but the problem I’m having is that when I put in categories, they’re all part of a single category section, and the Page Title isn’t below the category section.

Also, how do I create separate User Sandbox pages, where he title of the page looks like this:

User:(Username)/sandbox/*Name of page*

BitznBytz 1000000, 19:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BitznBytz 1000000, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what you're sauing about categories: you shouldn't be adding a sandbox to a category anyway, wait until it is accepted as an article. As for your second question, simply type User:BitznBytz 1000000/sandbox/Some new title into the search bar, and it should give you the option to create that sandbox. --ColinFine (talk) 20:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@BitznBytz 1000000: Welcome to the Teahouse! On what page are you adding categories? GoingBatty (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Submitting verifiable links for a new article for MASTER POOLS BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AUSTRALIA

I am trying to create a page for a not-for-profit member association, and submitted links from a third party but I've been given the below reason. This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies).

Fails WP:NORG, lacks any independent reliable secondary sources. The MPBAA website is a primary source and the Splash website is a Wordpress website.

As the publication I referenced is used for another not-for-profit as verifiable I'm trying to understand why it has not been accepted for this new article. The articles are not passing mention of the NFP but are specifically about it and its awards.

The article it is used for is SPASA Australia

All advice is gratefully received. Thank you Flosblos (talk) 03:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Master Pool Builders Association Australia

@Flosblos: Welcome to the Teahouse! https://www.splashmagazine.com.au/spasa-vic-drops-name-and-rebrands-as-mpbaa/ states "SPASA Australia is the owner of the SPLASH! brand including this masthead" and "SPASA Victoria... has dropped its brand name and relaunched as the Master Pool Builders Association Australia", which makes me think that the splashmagazine articles are also primary sources. Do you have any independent sources to show that this organization meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability"? Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:23, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

SPASA Australia and SPASAVIC are not associated entities and whilst SPLASH Magazine is owned by SPASA Australia it has been accepted as a verifiable source for the SPASA Australia wikipedia entry. Part of the reason for changing the name to MASTER POOL BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AUSTRALIA was to remove the confusion about the NFPs being affiliated / related.

Also referenced here https://www.vba.vic.gov.au/news/events/2020/spasa-pool-spa-expo and here https://www.poolandspareview.com.au/directories/spasa-victoria-1137975477 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flosblos (talk • contribs) 04:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Flosblos (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Flosblos: Do you mean that SPASA Australia and SPASAVIC are not associated (or no longer associated) with each other? They seem to have had similar names and logos (comparing https://www.spasa.com.au/ with https://www.mpbaa.com.au/ ). I've added a {{notability}} tag to Swimming Pool & Spa Association of Australia because the article doesn't have any independent sources. Has any reliable source other that SPLASH magazine written about these organizations? Notability requires significant coverage from multiple independent sources. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

There were SPASA Associations in every state and they shared a logo. SPASA Victoria stayed a separate entity when SA and QLD joined with NSW to become SPASA Australia, so no they were never the same entity, but always separate bodies. SPASA Victoria rebranded because of the confusion the similarity in names caused to consumers.

You are a great help with what needs to be done, it is difficult with member associations to find coverage. However, there are multiple references to the association on the internet including:

https://www.vba.vic.gov.au/news/events/2020/spasa-pool-spa-expo https://www.poolandspareview.com.au/directories/spasa-victoria-1137975477 https://urbanhortsolutions.com.au/projects/spasa-victoria https://www.cantonfair.net/event/3633-spasa-victoria-pool-spa-expo-outdoor-living and https://10times.com/spa-pool-show References to awards given to one Pool Builder here https://oftb.com.au/awards/ And attendance at an Expo / Show by an exhibitor https://www.bosssolar.com.au/bosssolar-bring-the-innovation-to-spasa-victoria-pool-spa-outdoor-living-expo and new CEO https://associations.net.au/news/sector-news/2018/new-ceo-at-spasa-vic.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flosblos (talk • contribs) 05:35, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Would these be enough? I only gave the SPLASH references initially as that was all the SPASA Australia site had and as it was live I thought it must have been enough.

Thank you Flosblos (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:27, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Flosblos I'm sorry to disappoint you but, no, these links are nowhere near enough for Wikipedia. I'm afraid all they do is simply show that this organisation exists - just like millions upon millions of other businesses (and billions of people) around the world. I'm afraid we would need to see at least three non-local sources, which were all independent of the trade, that are talking in detail and in depth about the significance of this one particular organisation. Our notability criteria for businesses is particularly hard for many, many organisations to meet; I do appreciate that. Anything less would be pure WP:PROMOTION, and Wikipedia is not here to provide a directory listing for businesses and trade bodies. It's fair to say that coverage in the mainstream media could be either descriptive and positive, or it could reflect newsworthy malpractice by that organisation on a scale worthy of note by the world at large. Either way, we might then feel it warranted an article about it. But not before - sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick MoyesHow can one possibly get a non-local source for a local (state) body? I never thought Wikipedia was a directory, but rather a repository of information. As for malpractice LOL, it is a member organisation / not for profit so the chances of that happening is not high. I will search for three articles outside of the trade to support the article. Thank you for your assistance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flosblos (talk • contribs) 21:19, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Most protected page in Wikipedia

Which page is the most protected in all of Wikipedia? Damianlewis21 (talk) 21:50, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Damianlewis21: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at Wikipedia:Protection policy, fully protected pages with permanent protection are the most protected. There are some examples at WP:PPINDEF, such as the Main Page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Damianlewis21: See [14] for fully protected articles. There are currently only six real articles: Yitzhak Israeli, Dublin Airport, List of Indian states and union territories by GDP, Loudoun County Public Schools, The Battle at Lake Changjin, Frankenstein's monster. Main Page is the only [15] mainspace (reader-facing) page with cascade-protection, meaning that content transcluded from other pages is also protected. Some interface pages can be edited by fewer users for security reasons, notably MediaWiki:Common.js which has JavaScript for viewers of any Wikipedia page. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:55, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominate to Delete something

Hi, there is a section in the sheriff Woody article called relationships. I was wondering if there was a way to nominate just that section for deletion or can I only suggest it on the talk page? Kaleeb18 (talk) 21:07, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, no, you may not nominate for delete, a section of an article. If you want some parts of the article removed you should notify relevant parties(article creator, major contributors) to the talk page of that article then state your rationale until a consensus is met you may not unilaterally remove any parts of the article. Celestina007 (talk) 21:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

I should also add that Wikipedia maintains a balance, that is, we include both the negatives and the positives to any article if they are of due weight and are well sourced. I’m giving you a blanket response as I haven't checked to see what you make reference to, so based on that premise it may an effort in futility to initiate a conversation at the Talk page of the article when sufficient reliable sources discuss what you want to see removed from an article. Please let me know if you have further questions. Thank you for your time. Celestina007 (talk) 21:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank You Kaleeb18 (talk) 21:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: I see that an IP editor tagged Sheriff Woody#Relationships with {{Unreferenced section}} and {{Overly detailed}} on October 28, and that you started a conversation about this at Talk:Sheriff Woody#Removing Relationships on October 29. These are both good steps. If you don't receive any responses, you could invite the editors at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Animation/Pixar work group to respond to Talk:Sheriff Woody#Removing Relationships. Or you could boldly trim or delete the section. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:53, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thaank you @GoingBatty:, ill contact them Kaleeb18 (talk) 02:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

citation

Abagofboiledpotatoes (talk) 22:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome. Did you have a question about citations? Check out WP:ERB and WP:REFB to get started. RudolfRed (talk) 23:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Citation

How do you cite something from another website. Abagofboiledpotatoes (talk) 01:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Please don't start a new section on the same topic. Which part of the answer above did you find hard to understand? --David Biddulph (talk) 01:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Abagofboiledpotatoes: Welcome to the Teahouse! There's a video on WP:EASYREFBEGIN that you might find helpful. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikimedia Asia Project

How am I able to earn these promised postcards from Asia? IntellectuallyOlder(Alt. Account) (talk) 00:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi IntellectuallyOlder(Alt. Account). See meta:Wikipedia Asian Month 2021/Postcards and Certification. It appears you must create at least four articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@IntellectuallyOlder(Alt. Account): Welcome to the Teahouse! You can sign up at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/2021. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Can I add another editor for my own sandbox?

Kabkabkab (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kabkabkab, and welcome to the Teahouse. You din't need to "add" anything: (almost) an editor may edit (almost) any article or page. It is customary not to edit other users' sandboxes; but you're free to invite or allow another editor to do so, if you wish. --ColinFine (talk) 20:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kabkabkab: Per WP:NOBAN, if they have your permission they can edit your user pages. But why wouldn't they want to have their own? TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton Sometimes one can invite other editors to collaborate in one's sandbox. I do it occasionally, myself as here and here. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Ah - of course. Hadn’t thought of that. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 04:16, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Translate from another language

How do I translate an article from another language to English language? Mrpuki007 (talk) 03:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mrpuki007: What I did when I translated Paul Trappen from German was to first copy the German article source text into a sub-page in my user space (you can also use your sandbox or create an article in Draft space), and then I painstakingly translated everything line by line, removing badly sourced stuff and checking the cited sources for the rest. I added a bit here and there, and generally improved on the original.

Be aware that many articles on non-English Wikipedias are written to lower standards of verifiability, notability, and editorial content. The English Wikipedia standards for an acceptable article are usually more stringent. You really need to make sure the sources are solid. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:57, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mrpuki007: There is also a how-to guide at Help:Translation. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Which part is the advert?

This article has an 'advert' template. But which part sounds like an advert? Excellenc1 (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

If in doubt, try asking the editor who added the tag in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: For me, the first sentence in §Development sounds a little promotional:

Today the Baandha fabric is popularly known by its geographical and cultural name Sambalpuri owing to the pioneering efforts of Sri Radhashyam Meher, who brought about a radical improvement in the skills of the craftsmen and the quality of the products.

Titles like Sri generally shouldn't be included in Wikipedia's voice, and "radical improvement" almost veers into the realm of puffery. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

It looks like at the time the tag was added, there were substantial additional sections listing individual businesses. For what it's worth, I think the current version could be more neutral in tone, but I personally don't think that tag is still necessary. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk)

I would guess, the last two paragraphs of the Radhashyam section, which aren't about the subject of the article but instead promote someone called Radhashyam. Maproom (talk) 16:44, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Based on the responses here, I've moved {{advert}} to the "Development" section. I've also added some additional tags to encourage improvement. GoingBatty (talk) 16:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Ok, thank you. Excellenc1 (talk) 05:28, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

GODL-India

Why isn't this template available here on Wikipedia? I want to upload an image with this, but it doesn't work here. Also, I am blocked on Commons, so I cannot upload it there. So, can you please make this template work here? Peter Ormond 💬 07:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

That template is not appropriate for use here. Assuming you have addressed the reasons for your block on Commons, simply wait for it to expire and try again.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:50, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Help with references in article

I don't yet have a page. I wrote a Wiki bio for Larry Packer and need help figuring out where to put in Wiki references and how to cite all other the references. I have a sample version with references I made in Word but I can't copy and paste it into your format - obviously. I would really like to subcontract that portion to someone who's familiar with accessing archives. Can you give me guidance on how to proceed? CMScrapbook (talk) 18:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@CMScrapbook: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you start by adding your list of reliable sources to the bottom of Draft:Larry Packer. If you can demonstrate that Packer meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for musicians, then we can help you format the references. You can also see WP:REFBEGIN and WP:EASYREFBEGIN for instructions. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, CMScrapbook, and welcome to the Teahouse. "Subcontracting" the legwork is not something that really happens here, because we are all volunteers, and work on what we choose to work on. It's possible you might find a collaborator if you post at WT:WikiProject Musicians, but I wouldn't hold your breath. My advice would be to put the Packer article on hold for a few months while you "learn the trade" of editing Wikipedia by making small improvements to some of our existing six milion articles. Creating a new article isn't the only way to add value to Wikipedia, and frankly when an inexperienced editor tries it they often end up taking value away from Wikipedia, as experienced editors take time to sort out the problems that arise from their inexperience. --19:24, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You have the above guidelines for how to format references. I recommend practicing creating refs in your sandbox, then pasting into your draft. What is critical is that you have references to published articles written ABOUT Packer, as some length. In-name-only mentions (he played at ____ with ____) are not sufficient. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

New article in draft

Why my newly written article is in draft only? Not published live? 88.118.182.209 (talk) 20:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Because unregistered (and non-logged-in) editors cannot create new pages in main space. This is your only edit from this IP address, so we cannot tell which draft you are talking about. In any case, writing a new article is much much much much more difficult than it looks, and it is unlikely that the first attempt by a new editor would be acceptable for mainspace anyway. Please read your first article if you haven't already; and if you think your draft might be suitable, submit it for review. --ColinFine (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Akthough not required, having an account makes it easier for other editors to communicate with you. David notMD (talk) 10:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

[citation needed] for my edits

I recently contributed the section called "Artificial inosculation" under this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafting.

I see a note requesting [citation needed] for my edits. Although Artificial inosculation has existed for ever, I appear to have discovered the process of leveraging this technique for artificial grating. Since this appears to be a first time discovery I can't find any scholastic reference or white papers on this topic. How do I provide citation in this case where perhaps no previous mentions exist? Wikidipdip (talk) 07:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikidipdip Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer is- you don't. Wikipedia only summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a topic. If a topic is not mentioned in such sources, it cannot be on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place to post original research. Wikipedia is interested in what others say about your research, not what those who conduct it say about it.

Furthermore, you have a conflict of interest in writing about your own research or discoveries. 331dot (talk) 07:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You should either remove the content and images you added to Grafting or expect that someone else will do so very soon. If you truly believe your concept - the scion remaining part of the donor plant while the grafting is taking place - then publish your work in a horticultural journal so that someone else will add it to the article, citing your work. David notMD (talk) 10:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there a question

106.66.57.146 (talk) 07:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Added section title. Did you have a question? David notMD (talk) 10:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Does this article follow WP:NPOV?

Excellenc1 (talk) 07:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Excellenc1! the article does not look obviously non-neutral to me, though I can't speak to the accuracy of the plot synopsis as I haven't seen the film. Overall it seems comprehensive and well referenced. The text could use some further polishing, in that I noticed some erratic use of tenses and some awkward phrasing, but this is a minor criticism. Nice job!

It is of course an article about a film, not about the real-life events the film depicts. The film may or may not present a non-neutral depiction of those events (and the article's Controversy and Reception sections touch on this), but that does not make the article about the film itself non-neutral. It might be thought that the events themselves deserve a separate article: is there one on French Wikipedia? I didn't see a link to one in the original French article, but my French is very rusty indeed. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.31 (talk) 13:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Submitting a Biography

I have been trying to submit a biography I wrote for a musician. Every time I tried to submit it, I was prompted to change it from a .doc to something else but when I tried, it totally compromised the article. I had to re-write it each time. I would like some help but have not been able to reach anyone. Can you please tell me how to proceed? This client has been waiting for a very long time. Thank you for any assistance you can give. Ohboycopy (talk) 17:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ohboycopy: It seems that you're trying to upload a .doc file to either Wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. That's not how articles are created here, since articles aren't .doc files at all; see WP:YFA instead. Also, your question implies that there is paid editing going on. Before you edit any further, please make any relevant disclosures about your paid status, especially about who the "client" is. Also, please note that as a paid editor, it is very hard for you to stay in a neutral point of view, one of the fundamental principles of Wikipedia. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 17:47, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ohboycopy. Is the biography almost entirely based on what people unconnected with your client have published about your client? If the answer is "No", then your text is completely useless for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Additional set of guidelines to determine notability for musicians. See Wikipedia:Notability (music).

In addition to the mandatory declaration of your paid situation, do make clear to your client that no one 'owns' an article. If you do succeed, that means any other editor can add content as long as that content has reliable references. David notMD (talk) 10:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ohboycopy: Also, if your draft is accepted as an article, neither you nor your client will be allowed to edit it directly due to the conflict of interest. Instead, you would be able to submit requests on the article's talk page for other editors to review. GoingBatty (talk) 14:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Barnstars/contests for content creation

It may be a bit silly, but I find barnstars and/or competition really motivating. For example, I really enjoy backlog drives, the leaderboard, and the barnstars given out.

Are there similar competitions and barnstars for content creation, such as GA or DYK? I stumbled across the WikiCup, but the only award given out appears to be the cup itself, and only 1 person gets that, and I have no chance of beating the top person anytime soon.

Any other ones come to mind? Thanks. (Please ping on reply) –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Not contests, Novem Linguae, but merit awards for content: W awards, Four awards, Triple Crowns, and Million awards. (I think there was another for arguing convincingly to "keep" in an AfD and thereafter taking the same article up to "featured" status, but I can't find it; perhaps I just imagined it.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:05, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: There's also Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/2021. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Al Watan Newspaper UAE

Hello Senior Editors !

Can someone help me add Al Watan Newspaper (UAE) page on Wikipedia ? I can provide you with the newspaper references, it’s my first edit and I am a bit struggling to get it right. Merymans (talk) 15:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Merymans: Maybe somebody will respond more warmly than me since you did go through the effort to disclose your paid affiliation, but broadly, volunteer editors don't see it as their job to help somebody earn a paycheck, especially after their draft has been declined by another volunteer editor. The problem right now – admittedly unlike a lot of declined, paid drafts whose issue is that they're purely promotional – that the draft lacks reliable, independent sources. These sources can be in any language if sources aren't available in English, but at least a majority of them have to be from sources that are reliable (e.g. have an editorial staff) and which have no affiliation with the subject Al Watan. I would also suggest changing the title of the draft to Al Watan (UAE). That part I can help with if you'd like. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Merymans: I would also suggest checking the Arabic Wikipedia to see if there's an article there that you may be able to translate over. Obviously there are different policies for notability, so you couldn't just translate it over wholesale and expect it to pass muster, but it's worth looking in my opinion. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Abdullah Al-Lafi

This person is notable but only wants more sources and I am a new editor so can anyone add reliable sources and note he is notable but I am unable to find right source to cite UserABCXYZ (talk) 15:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@ABCXYZ: I do agree that this subject appears like he may be notable, though I can't say for sure. If you're unable to find English sources, you're welcome to use Arabic-language sources or any other language you'd like (we'd just prefer you try English sources first, all else being the same). Just make sure to translate the title using the trans-title parameter in your citations. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I forget

Where's the administrators' noticeboard for undisclosed paid editing again? I could've sworn there was one apart from the main noticeboard. Asking for a friend. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The WP:PAID guidance has a section 9 where the two alternative ways to report are mentioned. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

TheTechnician27, except private material is involved, per PAID, WP:ANI/I is an acceptable place to report undisclosed paid editing. Celestina007 (talk) 15:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Issuing multiple warnings for multiple instances of vandalism

If I see obvious vandalism, I often check to see if there's other articles that person vandalized in the past, and issue warnings for those too if that hasn't already been done. I've always had mixed feelings about doing that; on the one hand, it does quickly justify a block for multiple offenders, but on the other hand, I think that the rationale for multiple warnings is to give the offender the chance to think about what they're doing and stop on their own before getting slapped with a block, and just piling several increasingly severe warnings onto them onto them at the same time may not be in the spirit of why there's multiple warnings to begin with.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:47.181.75.27

I would appreciate any guidance. Ormewood (talk) 16:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ormewood: Give an appropriate warning for any vandalism that occurred since the last warning, escalating the warning level if the last warning was a long time ago or it isn't clear that the person using the IP address is the same person as last time. Generally you don't need to go through all four warning levels. Depending on the situation, a second level warning is appropriate to start with, or a 3rd level warning can be skipped, especially if it's obvious the warnings are being ignored. In the example you linked above, all the warnings were given after the last edit by the user. One would be enough. And then another if the vandalism continues. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Plagarism

Hello, well hunting for photographs I may have found plagarism. The article James M. Warner contains text identical to this webpage, https://vermontcivilwar.org/get.php?input=6189. Is this just a case of sites taking from Wikipedia. That is most likely but I don't know it could be something. Thanks in advance, sorry if this is a waste of time. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 14:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy: The article James M. Warner was created in 2006 by User:Vermontcivilwar, whose user page states "Vermont in the Civil War is my website", so it seems the same user was publishing similar content in two places. The user hasn't edited Wikipedia since 2009. GoingBatty (talk) 14:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty and Gandalf the Groovy: Well... Just because one Wikipedia user (retired since) claimed they maintained a website does not mean it is true. And the VCW website’s copyright notice is nowhere close to allowing CC-BY-SA relicensing, so technically this is a copyvio.

This being said, it sounds likely that the folks behind the VCW project could either confirm that one of them did edit Wikipedia back then (and therefore could release what they wrote on Wikipedia under CC-BY-SA), and/or release what they can under CC-BY-SA. Maybe a nice email would do the trick? Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 18:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Viewing articles by their issues

Hi, Is there any way to view articles pages based off their tagged issues? For example, if I wanted to see all articles tagged with "one source" or something of the like. Thanks much, Gageills (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You can, for instance, look at hidden categories. Ruslik_Zero 19:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Gageills (talk) 19:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gageills:Also, check out this page and this page. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

That second link is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks a million :-) Gageills (talk) 19:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikitia

Hi, on searching for a specific musician I could not find an article for them here on Wikipedia, however, they have an article on Wikitia...would it be against policy if I brought it across to Wikipedia? such a shame for them not to be on here as they have done so much amazing work with so many bands. Thanks in advance FlowerMoon593 (talk) 17:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC) FlowerMoon593 (talk) 17:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, FlowerMoon593, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is, It depends. There are two issues. The first is copyright: I believe that Wikitia content is licensed under CC-BY-SA, and therefore you may copy and reuse it anywhere, including on Wikipedia, provided you ascribe the source properly.

The second issue is whether or not it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability and sourcing. I don't know enough about Wikitia to know whether or not that is likely to be the case; but you should certainly not assume it. Unless you are very sure that it does, I would advise treating this as a new draft using WP:AFC, and copy some or all of the text in, noting in the edit summary where it came from. --ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @FlowerMoon593, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, copy-pasting from there to here is a bad idea, rather what you want to do is do a private reading of WP:RS, analyze what is being said about the musician, then in your own words create the article here using the WP:AFC method. That an article exists elsewhere ~~sister project~~ doesn’t make it notable enough for the English Wikipedia. You might want to read WP:GNG, WP:RS & WP:MUSICBIO before proceeding to create the article here. Please see WP:YFA, if you have seen it before, re-reading is never a bad idea. Celestina007 (talk) 17:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thankyou very much, you have both been very helpful. FlowerMoon593 (talk) 17:40, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007: it's possibly misleading to refer to Wikitia as a "sister project": it's entirely unconnected with Wikipedia or the Wikimedia foundation. --ColinFine (talk) 19:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine, ah, pardon me, my mistake. Celestina007 (talk) 19:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

What is Wikitia I have no idea what it is. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 20:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikitia is a encyclopedia "based on a model where only verified editors (with verified identity) can edit the pages" (and whose URL is on Wikipedia's blacklist). GoingBatty (talk) 21:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Can we just take an article from a non-English Wikipedia and copy it to English Wikipedia?

The model Dalma Callado is generally notable in modeling. She doesn't have an article on English Wikipedia, but does, I believe, on Portuguese Wikipedia. (You can see a translation of the article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Greg_Dahlen/dalma_callado.) Can we just put the translation on the English Wikipedia, brushing up the syntax? Greg Dahlen (talk) 14:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

It is certainly possible to use another language article as a basis for one on English WP, provided you follow guidance at WP:Translate. However, our requiremnts for notability are likely to be much stricter so you need to supply decent WP:secondary sources, not just based on interviews. The relevant notability guidance is WP:NMODEL, which might be quite challenging. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen, yes you can translate articles from other Wikipedias, but with two caveats: 1) need to use {{translated from}} on the talk page to provide attribution, and 2) don't just copy paste a machine translation. Machine translations look fluent at first glance, but when reading the article it becomes obvious the text doesn't make sense. It is very hard to fix. Please only do proper translations. The point above about other Wikipedias having lower notability standards than ours is also a good one, so be careful of that too. Good luck. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:41, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Quick question Novem Linguae or Michael D. Turnbull. Does the {{translated from}} template take care of any copyright/attribution concerns that arise with copy/pasting? I thought it worth asking for both the OP's and my understanding of things. MarnetteD|Talk 21:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@MarnetteD. On closer reading of WP:CWW, looks like an edit summary is mandatory, and {{translated from}} is optional. Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia projects. Thanks for catching that. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:55, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for checking on this Novem Linguae. Although I don't deal with copyvio stuff very often I kinda thought "Copying within Wikipedia" might come into play. MarnetteD|Talk 21:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Would you need to site the non-English Wikipedia? 🤔 68.50.116.194 (talk) 20:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

We should not cite a Wikipedia article (English or non-English) - see WP:CIRCULAR. Instead, we would follow the guidance at Wikipedia:Translation. GoingBatty (talk) 21:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I @ people

I am looking for a way to @ people. I've seen on the Teahouse and various users' talk pages people being @ed. How do I do this so I can help people more? WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 21:50, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You can use {{re}} for this. {{re|WaterflameIsAwesome}} produced @WaterflameIsAwesome: RudolfRed (talk) 21:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for helping @RudolfRed:! I appreciate it! WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 21:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@WaterflameIsAwesome: You'll find more information on this in WP:PING. Be advised, though, some editors find pinging to be annoying and have set their preferences so that they can't be pinged, while others simply ignore them; so, a message posted to a user talk page might be better if you're trying to get someone's attention about something really important. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Redirect page

Hi there, Im trying to make a redirect page. im trying to redirect woody to Sheriff Woody, but their is a page called woody already. I think that page should be changed to Woody (disambiguation) because thats what it is basically. Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

In order to move the page away from where it exists you'd need to demonstrate that Sheriff Woody is clearly the primary use of the term above all others, and as it's not only a common forename but a plain english-language word I don't believe that would be likely. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 20:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Grapple X: sorry i worded that wrong. im trying to make it to where you type in Woody and it takes you to Sheriff Woody. So can someone tell me how to do that? Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You were clear--what I mean is, in order to claim the page Woody for this redirect, which is what this would require, it would need to clearly be the primary use of the word "woody". You can make your case for this at Talk:Woody but I don't believe it's likely to pass; the daily average page views for Sheriff Woody are 585 across the year, versus 987 for wood in that same period, 1,856 for Woody Guthrie, or over 11,000 for Woody Allen. It doesn't seem that the unadorned, undisambiguated page Woody really belongs to any one use so just keeping it as the redirect page is best practice. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 21:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

oh ok. Can I rename Woody to Woody (disambiguation) and then make the redirect page? Kaleeb18 (talk) 21:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You're always free to propose a move request on the article's talk page but for the reasons I gave I don't believe it's the right move, others may or may not agree though. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 21:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

ok Kaleeb18 (talk) 21:34, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Grapple X: I found a solution. I want to rename the article Sheriff Woody to Woody (Toy Story). because I saw someone make that suggestion on the talk page of talk:Woody. But I ran into a problem. There is a redirect page called Woody (Toy Story) so I couldn't move the sheriff woody article to that name. Kaleeb18 (talk) 19:55, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: If you're trying to reverse the redirect destination (i.e., Sheriff Woody → Woody (Toy Story)), you can ask for help at Wikipedia:Requested moves, where someone with page mover rights can help you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia users

How can we stop people from vandalism, we want people to stay on this site, not be ip banned. Wawasee124 (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Wawasee124. If you're interested, we have an article on this over at Vandalism on Wikipedia. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wawasee124, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m afraid you can not entirely stop nor obliterate vandalism. Celestina007 (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wawasee124:, there is one helpful way: blocking vandalisers (If that's even a word, lol). If we block them, they'll learn from their mistakes, and someday, we will hopefully end vandalism. But it doesn't look like it's happening any time soon, sadly. Also, only admins can do that, which makes us even more limited. I want to be an admin someday... WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 22:09, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@WaterflameIsAwesome: The word you're looking for is vandal.

Vandalism is going to be a persistent thorn in Wikipedia's side, as some of it comes from people who do such things because of online anonymity. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Sources

FYI

– Added section header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 16:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

What qualifies as a credible source nowadays? OldNatchezTrace (talk) 16:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@OldNatchezTrace: see WP:Reliable sources. For examples, see WP:RSP. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
@OldNatchezTrace hello and welcome to the Teahouse, to be honest with you sourcing and source analysis is difficult as it is more of an art than a science. The blanket response to what constitutes a good source is (1) a reputation for for fact checking & (2) presence of editorial oversight. Having said, in actuality it transcends that, it is an art that you learn overtime. My colleague Sdkb was gracious enough to link you to the appropriate content guideline, go through it and if you are finding any part there difficult to grasp, please don’t hesitate to ask here. Celestina007 (talk) 20:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank You Celestina007 I appreciate the wisdom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OldNatchezTrace (talk • contribs) 21:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

We are always here to be of support when required. Celestina007 (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

my fb artist page in "external links" @ my wikipedia entry

In re: "Kevin Dunn (musician)" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Dunn_(musician)?fbclid=IwAR0ThNu3gFyvNFyu-1eVCw0ay_apfXNA1V25h52dxaF3_nfhcjOeo8cWkZs )

Look, I don't have time to acquaint myself fully with all your policies, so how's 'bout somebody authoritatively answer this question so I can get on with my life: can I or can I not provide at my entry a link to MY OWN (fully under my and my approved co-admins' management and monitoring) Facebook artist page in "External Links"? It is effectively the "official site", which my cursory survey of dos and don'ts suggested was acceptable. Thanks awfully. 2600:6C5A:477F:891A:E9B8:DCA3:A8BF:4E8B (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, it's appropriate for the Wikipedia article to have an official site link per WP:ELOFFICIAL. However, it is not appropriate for anyone to edit a Wikipedia article about themselves, per Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. You may post suggestions on the article talk page Talk:Kevin Dunn (musician), or use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thanks for asking! GoingBatty (talk) 19:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse, my colleague GoingBatty has answered your question, please we understand that you may be upset but please note that your tone comes across as passive aggressive, please try and bare with us as we are also human and are merely volunteers. Celestina007 (talk) 21:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps, "...bear with us..."? Personally, I never have my camera connected while editing Wikipedia, and would be offended if that became a requirement, clothed or not. David notMD (talk) 21:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

David notMD Huh? WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 22:05, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

(Feeble) attempt at humor after Celestina007 wrote "bare with us." David notMD (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Guess it's time to start my own, then... —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu, an OnlyFans? Lmao. Celestina007 (talk) 22:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Rating Articles

there Is an article that is a stub and I’m wondering if I can somehow grade it as a stub article or does someone else have to do that Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18, yes you can. "Grades" below GA are informal and anyone can do them per WP:BOLD. More guidance at WP:ASSESS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, that would be presuming they know what a stub is & can tell it apart from a start. @Kaleeb18, if you aren’t using a script I suggest you use the Rater scrip instead of manually doing so(assuming you do) You can go here find and install it. Having said, considering you are relatively new, I wouldn’t advice you to be rating articles just yet albeit technically you can, but my advice would be for you to leave it aside for now. Celestina007 (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I did indeed presume they knew what a WP:STUB was, "grade it as a stub" implied it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:57, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, In some cases NEWBIES tend to say somethings without necessarily even understanding what they are saying nor asking, thus the onus is on us to guide them, however I think we have been of help to them. Celestina007 (talk) 16:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, they managed to get an article into mainspace, I think they can do it. Time will tell. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

yeah i was going off the grade scale on how I should grade the article. Im not just winging it and putting something down. Kaleeb18 (talk) 19:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Can someone tell me how to actually grade it though like I understand how the grading system works, but I still do not know how to grade an article. Im on the wikiproject Disney and Im trying to grade an article related to disney as a stub because it hasnt been rated yet. Like I want the grade i put in to show that wikiproject Disney rated it as a stub. Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: On the article's talk page, add |class=stub to {{WikiProject Disney}}, like Talk:Winnie the Pooh (song). Happy assessing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you! Kaleeb18 (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I upload a non-free file (a movie poster) on Wikipedia?

Excellenc1 (talk) 08:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

For information on uploading images, see WP:Uploading images. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Basically, click "Upload a non-free file" at WP:FUW and follow the instructions carefully. Note that the poster can only be used in a "live" WP-article about the film, so if this is for a draft, wait until it's moved to mainspace. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

David Biddulph and Gråbergs Gråa Sång, how to reduce the resolution of an image? Excellenc1 (talk) 11:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

See the penultimate paragraph of WP:Non-free content#Image resolution. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm sleepily missing something, but although WP:Non-free content#Image resolution tells me what to do, it doesn't tell me how to do it. Excellenc1, I recommend GIMP. -- Hoary (talk) 12:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The penultimate paragraph says:

"If you believe an image is oversized, either re-upload a new version at the same file location, or tag the image file page with a {{Non-free reduce}} template, which will place it in a maintenance category to be reduced by volunteers or a bot like DatBot."

--David Biddulph (talk) 12:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

David Biddulph, I sit corrected. But Excellenc1, even if you don't need GIMP for this, I recommend it anyway -- for example, when you want to email a friend a dozen photos, but high resolution isn't required and clogging any part of the process is better avoided. -- Hoary (talk) 01:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 If you upload a non-free image via WP:FUW, a bot will come by after awhile and do it automatically. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, David Biddulph and Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I have already uploaded the image. Check File:BAC Nord (2021) Poster.jpg. Excellenc1 (talk) 12:28, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

corporation

94.206.207.180 (talk) 10:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 10:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Feedback Welcome for 1st Draft Article

Hello Teahouse. First time contributor and new to Wikipedia. As an interested auto enthusiast and follower of automotive media, wanted to try out this writing project. It's a personal goal to be an automotive media writer and the objective encyclopedic nature of Wikipedia writing seemed valuable. I followed the article creation template and submitted the draft to AFC? One other editor has made a few changes so far but any feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Danceislife2021 (talk) 18:48, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Larry Kosilla ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:50, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Danceislife2021: Welcome to the Teahouse! The big yellow template at the bottom of your draft states "This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,118 pending submissions waiting for review", so it might be a while before you receive detailed feedback. You may continue improving your draft while you're waiting. Also, if you have any personal or professional relationship with Kosilla that would constitute a conflict of interest, you must declare it on your user page. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Danceislife2021: You can also follow the suggestion in the big yellow template labeled "Improving your odds of a speedy review" to add WikiProject tags to the draft talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBattyThank you for your suggestions. I cannot add the tag Youtube to the article. It says an error has occurred. Is someone else able to add a tag? Danceislife2021 (talk) 19:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Danceislife2021 YouTube is mostly unreliable; see WP:YouTube. ― Qwerfjkl talk 19:26, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Danceislife2021: I don't know what you mean by "the tag Youtube". If you like, feel free to add it to the best of your ability, and then we can look at the error and provide you guidance. GoingBatty (talk) 20:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I'm sorry to say that the draft was moved into the main area of the encyclopedia before being reviewed, and was instantly deleted per WP:A7 "No indication of importance" and WP:G11 "Blatant advertising". I realise that it can be frustrating to wait for a review of a draft, and especially frustrating if you are resubmitting after a first review, but unfortunately there's a general consensus that articles must be in a sufficiently good shape for anyone to improve before they are considered acceptable in the main area.

A much easier route into Wikipedia editing is to look at existing articles and improve them. The simplest way to start is by fixing basic spelling and grammar mistakes. Then, you can move onto advanced activities such as finding references for unsourced content - the first automobile article I happened to look at, Volkswagen Golf has a number of facts and claims such as "The Mk2 GTI featured a 1.8-litre 8-valve fuel-injected engine from its launch, with a 16-valve version capable of more than 220 km/h (137 mph) being introduced in 1985." which are not sourced - how do we know this claim is true and factually accurate? Once you've got experience of that under your belt, then it's a suitable time to think about creating new topics from scratch. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Looking for help creating a new article

Hi folks. Newbie here. I did my homework, read all the advice about creating a text, gathered my sources and then put together a modest page about a company I think is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fernride. I'm humbly aware of the shortcomings of the piece, but I based every single sentence on a third-party, independent and notable news source (some major newspapers and news sites). I carefully ignored any press releases or direct quotes from the company. I'm truly grateful for some guidance regarding style, considering I'm not allowing myself to write anything that isn't in a reference. Thanks folks for your generous work! Amlotjon (talk) 15:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Amlotjon, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, please is there a specific question you seek to ask? You have just made a statement. However Slywriter has declined the article. Furthermore it isn’t probable to internalize our policies pertaining to organizational notability in just eight days. Celestina007 (talk) 15:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The source transport uses the words "According to Press Release...", Microsoft is not a reliable source as they are writing about a partner. The topic may very well be notable, but the sources are not clear that they are independent of the subject. Additionally, the tone of the article is a concern. It reads like a brochure about the company, not an encyclopedic entry. Slywriter (talk) 16:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both for these comments. I apologise for not being clearer. I accept the weaknesses, especially regarding the style. My question is: Is there somewhere here where I can find guidelines and recommendations regarding the tone, as it is apparently lacking. I have been led to believe that Wikipedia encourages people to learn and start editing, and I'm willing to learn. For example, how can I prove that the Sueddeutsche Zeitung is independent of the company Fernride? Is the rejection permanent or should I try to improve the piece? If so, do you have any constructive suggestions apart from pointing out my obvious lack of experience? Thanks! Amlotjon (talk) 21:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

~~Slywriter~~ Amlotjon when a draft article has been declined (which your's has been) it means it is not acceptable as it is now written; when a draft has been rejected it means your article will never be able to be accepted. Towards the bottom of Draft:Fernride's declined box it says "If you would like to continue working on the submission, click on the 'Edit' tab at the top of the window." So that means you are able to work on improving your submission.

I started to read your draft, but it is a subject I know nothing about, so I won't be able to give you help specific to your article. However I will give some advice that may be of help to you. Before I began working on my first Wikipedia article I read about five Wiki articles on similar subjects. I planned to write about a 19th century children's magazine, so I read Wikipedia articles on every children's magazine I could think of, to see what type of information was included, and the style of writing used. Unfortunately I don't know any Transportation as a Service companies, so I can't suggest any articles that you may be able to use as a guide.

Perhaps others will write you better advice, but reading and studying accepted Wikipedia articles is what helped me the most. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter: Perhaps you meant to reply to Amlotjon? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:23, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Yikes, I did put in the wrong name, I hope my strike through helps clarify. Karenthewriter (talk) 13:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

An encyclopedia entry shouldn't look like a brochure for investors or potential clients. For example, investment rounds are rarely relevant. Quotes that push the virtues of an experimental product come across as non-neutral. Sueddeutsche Zeitung is independent but that's one source and should be looking for more sources like them and less trade magazine, partners who are only going to print/discuss the positives. Slywriter (talk) 01:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Help submitting an article on NMR scientist Alfred G Redfield. 130+ citations

Dear Tea House Denizen, I am working on an article about the NMR scientist, Alfred G. Redfield. I have the structure worked out and I am painstakingly outlining the science he did in my sandbox:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sainswreitr/sandbox

I will soon fill out his biography and am looking at great biography examples that are around. I need help launching it. I thought I submitted a kernel with an introductory paragraph, contents, and a long list of citations (mainly his published works in scientific journals) on June 22, 2021, but nothing has happened! What I did was, delete most of the article except the kernel, and hit the submit button. But then I re-added the deleted material and continued working in my sandbox. I suppose I did it wrong. My understanding is, I ought to load the article incrementally so that if sections are deleted, they are deleted incrementally. I need help, just now to submit for approval, but then also with the delicate matter of accurate yet interesting science writing. This topic is not for everyone, many physicists don’t like it because it is hard conceptually, plus the math. I am just surfing the vocabulary myself. Who would be interested in this topic? What would you suggest in terms of getting a stub going on it? I will be done pretty soon and want to see it gets published in any form. I already approached RockMagnetist on October 27, 2021 and waiting for a response. Sincerely, Sainswreitr (talk) 16:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC) Sainswreitr (talk) 16:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You haven't submitted it for review. Before you try to do so, however, you need clearly to demonstrate his notability. The vast majority of the "references" which you have given are to works written by the subject. What you need is to show what has been written about the subject by independent reliable sources. If there are such sources they may be swamped by your 130+ other citations. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The reason for lack of response from User:RockMagnetist may be that for some unexplained reason you generated a subpage User talk:RockMagnetist/Article ideas in the user's talk space; he may not be aware of its existence. I notice also, however, that he has not been regularly active on Wikipedia recently, and has made no contributions since you tried to contact him. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Right on both counts. And if I had been aware of its existence, I would have made much the same suggestions as you and Sainswrietr. RockMagnetist(talk) 01:09, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Sainswreitr and welcome to the Teahouse. The article about Redfield needs to be reorganized. First you need to show that he is well-enough known for a Wikipedia article with references that are independent of his papers. See the criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (academics) and how to reorganize this at User:StarryGrandma/Writing an article about a professor or researcher. He is a Fellow of the American Physical Society (which meets our requirements) but you haven't provided a reference for that. Every statement in the article needs a source. Writing a Wikipedia article is hard; an encyclopedia article is different from most types of writing. But we do want articles that show how a scientist and his work developed. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sainswreitr: You haven't, for example, cited the biography by Pochapsky or used the other sources in the corresponding article in the Polish wikipedia pl:Alfred_G._Redfield. You should cut most of the primary references to Redfield and submit a draft based on secondary sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@RockMagnetist @David Biddulph @Michael D. Turnbull et al: THANK YOU. Totally makes sense. Can do! it IS hard. :) Sainswreitr (talk) 15:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

George Everett Mayne CPR Railway Biography 1918 - 1963 youtube documentary as external link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Pacific_Railway

I am not sure about the correct format for adding this external link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKU41n1Zdo Asabara54 (talk) 12:51, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Asabara54: The external links section of the article already includes a general search for youtube videos related to the railway. Hence it might be better to annotate that video in youtube so it will be found by that search rather than put it as separate entry. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

German-speaking lawyer seeked

Hi,

I have two serious problems: 1) My English is quite bad. 2) It´s a law-case, I´m talking about. So a German-speaking lawyer is seeked by me. Could you help me please? The following text is in German language:

Zunächst muss ich mich vielmals entschuldigen, mein Englisch ist leider derart lausig, dass ich gar nicht erst einen Versuch wagen möchte. Zudem muss sich derjenige, der sich meines Einwurfs annimmt, ohnehin intensiv mit deutscher Juristensprache auseinandersetzen, denn ohne ein Verständnis meines Aufsatzes Die Zeitenwende im Klageerzwingungsverfahren und meiner aktuellen Kommentierungen auf beck-blog ist eine Bearbeitung des Artikels Oury Jalloh überhaupt nicht möglich.

Ich denke, dass es sich bei dem Fall Oury Jalloh um einen der größten Justizskandale der bundesdeutschen Nachkriegsgeschichte handelt: Zwei deutsche Polizisten bringen einen Schwarzen um, und der Fall wird noch nicht einmal gerichtlich untersucht, es wird noch nicht einmal der Versuch unternommen, den beiden beschuldigten Polizisten den Mordvorwurf nachzuweisen. An dieser Stelle kommt mein Aufsatz Die Zeitenwende im Klageerzwingungsverfahren ins Spiel: Ich will erreichen, dass die Hinterbliebenen eines Mordopfers eine faire Chance erhalten, das Vertuschen und Verschleiern, das staatliche Behörden betreiben, zu durchbrechen. Denn in Deutschland besteht für die Hinterbliebenen von Mordopfern durchaus die Möglichkeit, bei Gericht einen Antrag zu stellen, dass das Gericht die Strafverfolgungsbehörde, die Staatsanwaltschaft, dazu anhält, Mordanklage zu erheben. Dieses Verfahren steht aber praktisch nur auf dem Papier, in der forensischen Realität haben die Hinterbliebenen von Mordopfern nicht wirklich eine Aussicht, mit ihrem Klagebegehren Erfolg zu haben.

Aktuell ist das Verfahren beim Bundesverfassungsgericht unter dem Aktenzeichen 2 BvR 378/20 anhängig. Gelingt es, das BVerfG davon zu überzeugen, dass die Hinterbliebenen von Mordopfern eine realistische Chance erhalten müssen, eine strafrechtliche Anklage zu erzwingen, ist auch im Fall Oury Jalloh der Weg zur Aufklärung der Mordvorwürfe gegen die beiden beschuldigten Polizisten geebnet. Über ein neues Gutachten, das zum wiederholten Male unter Beweis stellt, dass den beiden beschuldigten Polizeibeamten der Mord an Oury Jalloh nachweisbar ist, berichtete die taz am 3.11.2021 in einem aktuellen Artikel.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 09:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Helmut Hoppenstedt. I'm afraid you have a third problem, which is that this page is for helping people with issues in editing Wikipedia, nothing else. NObody here is going to help you with a legal case, in any language. --ColinFine (talk) 11:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your friendly and helpfull response. :-)--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 11:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The only relationship with Wikipedia is that we have an article on the Death of Oury Jalloh. The German text above would be against policy of WP:NOR were it to be incorporated within that article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I do not request, that the German text above is incorporated word by word in the article on the Death of Oury Jalloh. But I do request, that the actual state of the case is mentioned in the article.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 12:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Helmut Hoppenstedt: You can make suggestions for improvements to the article at Talk:Death of Oury Jalloh provided that you include reliable sources for any new content that can be verified by other editors. German-language sources are fine but they must be available somewhere and preferably WP:secondary (so not court transcripts). Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I note that you have already copied your above German text onto that Talk page but it is likely to be ignored until you provide reliable sources for any information to be incorporated into the article itself. The taz source is not one I am personally familiar with. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I did exact that, what you requested, take a look at Talk:Death of Oury Jalloh: Die Zeitenwende im Klageerzwingungsverfahren can easy been read and found the way in several law-books in Germany. And berichtete die taz am 3.11.2021 in einem aktuellen Artikel is the latest newspaper-article from a well-known German newspaper. --Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 12:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that's all fine (except that some sources appear to me to be blogs, which won't be acceptable as they have no editorial control). So you have done the right thing and I hope that someone who has the necessary language skills will incorporate the well-sourced parts into the article. Unfortunately, I don't have the necessary skills. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, Mr. Turnbull.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 12:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The Oury Jalloh-case is again a subject of German television today.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Copy: "Helmut Hoppenstedt is infinit banned in the German Wikipedia for all his different User-Names since 2019, cf. [16]. --95.130.162.46 (talk) 10:30, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

:: <- (Personal attack removed) --Johannnes89 (talk) 16:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC) -> Aber zurück zur Sache: Mittlerweile hat die Initiative zur Aufklärung des Mordes an Oury Jalloh Strafanzeige wegen Strafvereitelung im Amt gem. § 258a StGB erstattet. Ich gehe davon aus, dass die deutschen Behörden ihre Politik der Vertuschung und Verschleierung fortsetzen werden. Deswegen halte ich es für ausgeschlossen, dass die deutschen Behörden die strafrechtlichen Vorwürfe in irgendeiner Weise aufklären werden."--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

On beck-blog the previous discussion is closed now, the discussion goes on there at Death of Oury Jalloh.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 12:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Der politische Sumpf in Deutschland ist noch viel tiefer: Es gibt da nicht nur die hervorragend funktionierende AfD-Seilschaft in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia, sondern auch den AfD-nahen Verlag C.H. Beck. Ich publiziere seit 2016, also seit fünf Jahren auf beck-blog, dem Blog des Verlag C.H. Beck und werde dort mehr und mehr zensiert. Die Zensur beruht auf einer eindeutigen politischen Zielrichtung. Zuletzt ging es dem Verlag C.H. Beck darum, den deutschen Politiker Hans-Georg Maaßen in Schutz zu nehmen: Ich hatte ihm auf beck-blog vorgeworfen, dass er die AfD in einem Prozess gegen den deutschen Verfassungsschutz mit Informationen versorgt, die er nur aus seiner Zeit als Präsident des deutschen Verfassungsschutzes haben kann. Das verstößt gegen anwaltliches Berufsrecht. Der AfD-nahe Verlag C.H. Beck machte durch seine "Moderation" meine Arbeit konsequent zunichte.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 13:14, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

<- (Personal attack removed) --Johannnes89 (talk) 16:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC) ->

Random question, but how do people come from AMAZON to wikipedia?

So I was stumbling down a wiki-wormhole (as I often do) today, and I came across this factoid from Alexa that stated that people come from various tools to wikipedia. One tool is a standard search engine (and that part makes obvious sense), but other methods were YouTube, or even amazon.com. Now YouTube I don't quite get, but maybe the videos are tied back to wp somehow, but amazon? How and where is there any linking from amazon back to wikipedia? That part just didn't make any sense to me!

Thanks for helping to answer my random AF curiosity of the day! Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 20:52, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Welcome to the Teahouse! Where on that web page does it state that people come from amazon.com to Wikipedia? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I would screenshot it for you, except I haven't figured out how to do that yet (with all the copyright issues with uploading pictures to this site). That would bring up another question of mine (is there an easy way to upload a SCREENSHOT for purposes of clarifying a question etc? I'd be find with deleting it right after..). Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 21:28, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: I'd recommend uploading the image to a free photo hosting website like Flickr and then sharing the link here. ––FormalDude talk 21:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Good question! I know YouTube has joined forces with encyclopedias in order to to provide easier access to credible and authoritative information and combat disinformation. On some YouTube videos there may be a notice about the historical event with a link to an reputable encyclopedia. See this article about YouTube teaming up with Britannica. Otherwise, Youtube still allows links in comments and video descriptions, and people may be directed to Wikipedia from YouTube that way.

I'm sure there's also Wikipedia content and links incorporated into the vast online marketplace that is Amazon. I'm not sure how exactly, but the fact that people come to Wikipedia from Amazon does not surprise me. I know Amazon's Alexa (not to be confused with Alexa.com) uses Wikipedia. ––FormalDude talk 21:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Fascinating @FormalDude:! I had no idea that Amazon Alexa uses wikipedia!!! That is truly interesting, and maybe frightening.. I am not sure how I feel about all this interconnectedness. Do you have a source for that factoid? Thanks! Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 21:37, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Check out the article that Cullen linked below. ––FormalDude talk 05:30, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Just asking, how exactly DOES Alexa access and use Wikipedia (I know you can access articles on it, as I have an Alexa device myself, but is that what you mean?)? Sorry if you aren't supposed to ask questions on other people's questions. WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 21:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@WaterflameIsAwesome: I think this has gone beyond the scope of the help desk. Try asking at WP:RDC RudolfRed (talk) 01:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

WaterflameIsAwesome, here is an article that explains how Alexa gets much of the information it uses to answer questions from Wikipedia. The Alexa software needs to query Wikipedia in order to obtain the information needed to provide those answers. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Fun fact: this has resulted in vandalism being read by Alexa speakers! ––FormalDude talk 05:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I was wondering if Alexa would read the vandalism or not. Now I know. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:15, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I think Alexa doesn't really have a sense of the article. What I mean is that is just reads through the main article. It doesn't read templates, tables, picture captions, or the "See Also"/"References" sections, or anything like that. So it just reads the main article and usually after every paragraph/section/subsection asks "Would you like me to continue?" or "Would you like me to keep reading?". Saying "continue" or "keep reading" will start the next paragraph/section/subsection. Also, when it gets to a new section/subsection it says "Section _" or "Subsection", followed by the name of the section/subsection. When it's finished, it says "That's all I have on this topic from Wikipedia". Just saying how Alexa reads an article, sorry if this content isn't suitable for stuff like this.

a single-sentence dispute in Leibniz and Newton calculus controversy

Hello, the User DVdm suggested I could come here for assistance. I read the sentence "Also, practical importance could have priority if it was associated with the invention of new technical devices." and it made no sense to me, so I corrected it. DVdm reverted my edit, and we had a fruitless discussion on my talk page. I have transferred the issue over to the article talk page, but as the last activity there is from 7 years ago, I have little hope to receive input. Could someone here please take look? Much appreciated, thank you very much. 91.64.37.35 (talk) 14:59, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I suggest that you discuss this matter at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics where editors with math expertise discuss this type of thing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey Cullen328, thanks for your answer. This isn't a mathematics issue, it is a possibly a history issue, but most likely just an English-language-reading issue. I think anyone with minimal copy edit skills can contribute.--91.64.37.35 (talk) 17:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Notability criteria for sports games

Hello! So I found an article for a men's basketball championship game with no sources. I attempted to find sources for it and found none that would determine it's notability. Is there some specific notability criteria for sports games or is GNG acceptable in this case? For those who are wondering the article is 1986 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Game ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I think it may fall under WP:NSPORTSEVENT, but even though it may be notable the guideline there says you need sources. RudolfRed (talk) 19:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Alright! Most of the sources I"m finding are obvious UGC (they're from a blog website), however I could just not be searching correctly. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Though you may not be able to find much through a google search, the championship was covered significantly in newspapers around that time. See this search on Newspapers.com which brings up 2,849 results between March 31 and April 5. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:07, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh neat! Thanks for letting me know Beanie! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:13, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: By the way, if you don't already have an account on newspapers.com, I believe you can get free access through The Wikipedia Library here, you should qualify. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:32, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I'll do so when I need to. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

How to improve Draft:Siege of Borovsk

The comment said I may ask for advice on how to improve this Draft:Siege of Borovsk, so I ask this question.--折毛 (talk) 15:03, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and make some improvements. As far as I can tell, it looks like the article just needs copyedits, which I can take care of. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 16:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@折毛: courtesy ping so you are aware that I replied to this. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 16:01, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Thankyou for your help, I will improve my English and try to write good article of Time of Troubles, It is very important history to Russian people.--折毛 (talk) 16:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

FYI, in case you haven't seen, I left some comments on Draft_talk:Siege_of_Borovsk. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 17:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I have also made an attempt at some copyediting. I'm not terribly familiar with the event, but did my best to stick to rewriting things in idiomatically correct English and proper encyclopedic tone. If, in my editing, I have introduced any factual errors, please correct those. I hope that helps! --Jayron 32 18:18, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Alan Singh

^[1]^[2] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 15:10, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

References

Welcome to the Teahouse, Karsan Chanda. Do you have a question about this draft (or anything else about editing Wikipedia)? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Karsan Chanda, the draft Draft:Alan Singh appears by its name to be draft of an encyclopaedia article about a person. But it gives only one piece of historical information about him, concentrating on another topic. --ColinFine (talk) 18:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

How do you publish an article from the sandbox? There was no "More" box that others have suggested.

JhallCORE (talk) 20:28, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@JhallCORE: Welcome to the Teahouse. As you are not autoconfirmed, you are unable to move pages yourself. If you think it's ready, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page and a reviewer will get to it in due time. Taking a quick glance at it, it doesn't seem it has any chance of being approved as it is, as the content is quite promotional. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:47, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Reliable Source?

Brief Introduction: NCERT is an educational charitable organisation registered under Societies' Registration Act. It is an Autonomous Body i.e. very independent. They are controversial.^[1]^[2]^[3]

Question: Can I use them for reference in Educational Articles? 2409:4063:4D8E:91EA:0:0:33C9:2306 (talk) 13:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

References

^ Engineer, Asghar Ali (1985). Indian Muslims: A Study of the Minority Problem in India. Ajanta Publications. p. 209. ISBN 8120201396.
^ Rudolph, Lloyd I.; Rudolph, Susanne Hoeber (1983). "Rethinking Secularism: Genesis and Implications of the Textbook Controversy, 1977-79". Pacific Affairs. 56 (1): 15–37. doi:10.2307/2758768. JSTOR 2758768.
^ Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor. "India: International Religious Freedom Report 2005". US Department of State. Retrieved 10 April 2015.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m not sure I understand what your question is referencing, are you asking if the three sources can be used as sources? Then yes, depending on what you intend to substantiate or are you trying to say NCERT itself is a source? The reason other hosts here have uncharacteristically left this unanswered for a while now is because the question in itself is confusing. Lastly you mention the word “controversial”, as I’m unsure of what is precisely being asked here, i can’t give a definitive answer but I’d say you look at WP:BIASED. Celestina007 (talk) 20:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

help!

how do i get started? Junger04 (talk) 20:32, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Junger04: Welcome to the Teahouse. I've provided some links over at your talk page for you to check out. If you've never edited on a wiki before, you may want to check out The Wikipedia Adventure first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:51, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Junger04: maybe you should do one of three things:

1. Create Your Talk Page: This is where users can tell you stuff directly towards you. Highly recommended, as you will also get a taste of editing and making yourself at home on Wikipedia. 2. Get To Know Some Admins: Just so you know who to go to when you have a problem. Most admins have 10+ years of experience on Wikipedia, and they know the place inside and out, so it's helpful to know a few. 3. Make Some Small Edits On Topics You Know Well: This is another way to get a taste of editing. As well as making your own facts stated on pages, you can also slightly alter other people's facts, such as making one clearer or stated in a better way. However, don't alter it so much that it's all your way. Also, don't do too much, as well as state fake facts and mess up the page, as that will likely result in a block/ban. It can be easy for newcomers to try and add too much information, resulting in troubles early on.

Just a little help for beginners like you :) WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 21:01, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia page creation

How do I create a Wikipedia page for a noteworthy successful Texas businessman and charitable donor? 0alameda30 (talk) 19:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@0alameda30: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may want to read Wikipedia:Your first article. Just make sure that the subject is notable as Wikipedia defines the term before you consider writing a draft. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:25, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @0alameda30, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the answer to your question can be found at WP:YFA. Having said, my advice would be for you to leave article Creation for now and focus on reading some of our policies and guidelines on notability. See WP:NOTABILITY & WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 19:28, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@User:Celestina007, thank you for your help! The individual is most definitely notable and matches up with Wikipedia's criteria. He is mentioned in many articles, Forbes being one of them. I did submit a "Requested articles" for "People in Business". About how long do you think that would take to be approved and have a Wikipedia page created? Thank you for all your help!

0alameda30, I’m sorry but there’s no fixed timeline for that to happen. Celestina007 (talk) 21:03, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 0alameda30, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is a volunteer project: every editor works on what they choose to work on. The chances of a volunteer choosing to take up a request from requested articles is, I'm afraid, remote. Your best bet for getting an article on a particular subject is to write it yourself; but creating a new article is much much more difficult than it appears, and editors who try it before they are ready typically hve a frustrating and disappointing experience. So, my advice to a new editor coming here to write an article about a particular subject is always: put aside your pet project for at least six months (remember, There is no deadline!) while you add value to some of our six million existing articles, and learn how Wikipedia does things. After a few months, read the page that Tenryuu suggests, and cautiously start finding the necessary sources. --ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Citations in other languages

Hi! I have a question about citations. I would like to know if citations in a language other than English, is okay to use on an English article and if that would be counted as Notable. Mvcervi (talk) 04:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mvcervi! The relevant policy is at Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources: Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance. So yes, they are allowed and count towards notability as long as they are reliable, independent, and contain significant coverage of the subject. DanCherek (talk) 05:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mvcervi:, hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Just in case you didn't know HOW to add them, you could probably use Google Translate or something like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaterflameIsAwesome (talk • contribs) 20:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mvcervi: I disagree with WaterflameIsAwesome's response above. You can create the citation for a non-English language source the same way you would create a citation for an English language source. The only additions I would recommend would be specifying the language and providing the title in both non-English and English. If you were to use a citation template such as {{cite web}}, you could add the |language= and |trans-title= parameters. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:03, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

company wiki page

I'm interested in publishing a company wiki and would like to understand what disclosures need to be made. 97.115.162.160 (talk) 16:13, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Please be aware that promotion and advertising are not permitted on Wikipedia and that writing an acceptable new article is quite difficult. The company must meet the standards described at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). If you are an employee, you must comply with Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, which means that you should register an account and disclose on your user page. Spend some time studying Help:Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:25, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

And note that if at some point Wikipedia does contain an article about your company, the article will not belong to the company, will not be controlled by the company, will not be for the company's benefit except incidentally, will not necessarily contain what the company would like it to contain, and should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with the company have chosen to publish about it, not on what the company says or wants to say. --ColinFine (talk) 18:57, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Expanding what ColinFine wrote above, if Wikipedia does contain an article about your company one day, you will not be able to edit the article due to your conflict of interest. You (or any other company employee)) would be encouraged to submit suggestions to the article's talk page using the {{request edit}} template for another editor to consider and possibly implement. GoingBatty (talk) 23:23, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Questions about references

I was looking for a reference to Riemann's existence theorem and found the following reference;Harbater, David. "Patching and Galois theory" (PDF). Dept. of Mathematics, University of Pennsylvania. (https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~harbater/papersold.html)

However, I noticed that this is included in the next book; Schneps, Leila (21 July 2003). Galois Groups and Fundamental Groups. ISBN 9780521808316.

Which template should I use when citeing? SilverMatsu (talk) 08:18, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

That is, which one should I use, cite web or cite book ?--SilverMatsu (talk) 15:54, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@SilverMatsu: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest following the recommendation at WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT. If you are using the book (or a digitized version of the book) as the source, use {{cite book}} as you have above. If you're using the PDF as the source, the {{cite web}} reference is fine. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:10, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you your reply. First of all, use the gadget (after entering the ISBN) and manually correct the missing part while looking at the link that taught me. --SilverMatsu (talk) 23:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I wrote both urls using "chapter (url)=". For "authors =", should I write only the author of the cited chapter, or should I write all the authors listed in the cited book? --SilverMatsu (talk) 23:45, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@SilverMatsu: The author and editor are sufficient, as you did in your reference. There is no benefit in listing the authors of the chapters you are not citing. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:53, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you !--SilverMatsu (talk) 00:15, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Our company, Techni-Lux is mentioned and we have attempted in a sandbox then it got deleted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League:_Alien_Invasion_3D we attempted to put our information with link and 15:40, 29 August 2012 DragonflySixtyseven talk contribs deleted page User:Techni-Tony/sandbox (inappropriate use of userpage) deleted us. https://www.techni-lux.com/Section/Gallery/ThemedEntertainment this link shows we are Techni-Lux and all we wanted to do was put more information about what we have done with Sally Dark Rides. Techni-Tony (talk) 21:11, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Techni-Tony: Welcome to the Teahouse. As the diff after yours on Justice League: Alien Invasion 3D's edit summary says, external links do not go into the body of the article. You also shouldn't be adding links like that in the first place, as that would be seen as promoting yourself, which is heavily frowned upon. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:57, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Techni-Tony: You could disclose your conflict of interest on your user page. Then use the article's talk page Talk:Justice League: Alien Invasion 3D to post your suggestion for improving the article with the {{request edit}} template, or use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. GoingBatty (talk) 23:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Techni-Tony: I would actually recommend creating an article similar to RealD, who also worked on the ride(s) too. As a general rule, like Tenryuu stated above, you should not be inserting external links in the body of an article. If you check out the Wikipedia policy Wikipedia:External links, it states External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article. Normally you would place those external links in the form of a citation (while editing, you can click either "templates" or "cite" to help you cite a source). I would strongly recommend following GoingBatty's advice too and state your employer on your talk page (FYI, there is no problem with you being employed by Techni-Lux, but you do need to state that). Try mirroring the RealD article in your sandbox, but be sure it's not blatant promotion. Hope this helps. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 01:40, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

New Submitter, Article Rejected, No Clear Reason Why that I can see

New Participant, first article rejected.

I am working on a museum exhibit based on a historic photo album about a factory in my hometown. My work has included months of archival research and I thought it would be fun to post an article about the plant since there is no mention of it in Wikipedia. My submission includes numerous primary source cites and photos from the album but was rejected (after many months of waiting). Claims it it was not written in "encyclopedic" form but I don't really see it that way.

Draft:Republic Stamping and Enameling

I do have to say that I am pretty surprised as I experience this entire Wikipedia process that it is so drawn out. Is the submission process a guessing game? Kind of disappointing. Sponhour (talk) 12:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Sponhour Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have asked this on another page. Please only use one method of seeking assistance at a time, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 12:45, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk is the other place where Sponhour has posted the question, in case anyone wishes to respond to it there. I'm replying here because I consider this to be a more general issue. This is a clear case of a newcomer writing, in good faith, a half-way decent article, and getting a thoroughly unhelpful response. The test at AfC is supposed to be "would this article get immediately deleted again?", and I am quite certain that the tone in which this draft is written would not cause it to be deleted. I think it might struggle on sourcing and proof of notability. Yes, it's okay to use sources that are not online, and sources that are hard to get, but generally an article on a company will need at least some sources that are, at a glance, obviously secondary, and discuss the company independently, at some depth. If nothing is available online, the author of the article is going to have to make a very good case that the company was notable, because people nowadays are biased towards the idea that if something is notable, someone, somewhere, will have written something about it that's available in electronic form. But that is not why the article was declined. It was declined for writing-style, which is patently not the problem. It is certainly true that AfC is a lottery. You might get your article reviewed in an hour, it might take 6 months, and you might get it reviewed by a sympathetic, dedicated reviewer who provides accurate feedback, or...

In the end, it is this sort of action by AfC reviewers that puts off potential contributors to WP. This review, frankly, was not adequate, and Sponhour's response is rather mild considering how I would have felt. I can only assume the original reviewer intended to decline on basis of sources, but hit the wrong button?? Elemimele (talk) 13:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

13:57, 5 November 2021 (UTC)~

Thank you for this response and information. I guess my thought was that making the effort to find obscure sources and to dig deep into the historical record and produce new content would be seen as a positive in Wikipedia-land but I take it that is not really the case? It sounds like the ideal is that an author is instead rounding up articles by others that cite original research? That was not obvious to me having like most others read thousands of Wikipedia entries over the years, including many on arcane or obscure topics. I have always seen Wikipedia as the place where info/facts about something might live even if they do not have an obvious home elsewhere. There also seems to be risk of recency bias - that subjects that do not enjoy a significant 21st Century online presence will be seen as "obscure." In the case of my little submission, this is about a factory that employed thousands of people in my hometown and was documented by a worker/amateur photographer whose album has been recovered after being lost for decades and was featured in a long story in our hometown newspaper. My hope was to help bolster Wikipedia's content about our community using a lot of archival and historical documents, of which I only cited a small amount in the interests of space. Now I am not really sure where I go with this. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sponhour (talk • contribs)

@Sponhour: Your draft was declined, not rejected, which in Wiki-speak means the reviewer thought it could be improved and resubmitted. I have taken a look and found that the depository mentioned but not linked in the references could be found at this URL. It seems to me that by linking it appropriately, you could bring the article up to Wikipedia standards by allowing readers to verify the information. Minor rewriting for tone might be needed but isn't the major task in my opinion. Good luck. (I've done the reference and its re-use in the three places in the article) Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sponhour: yes, it's the local newspaper article that makes all the difference. Wikipedia is indeed rounding up and summarising articles by others; Wikipedia is a tertiary source, giving an overview of what secondary sources (e.g. newspapers) have written about the primary sources, who did the original research. If you try to put information in WP that looks like original research, then you'll run into problems. In this case it's a bit interesting, because one could argue that the worker/amateur photographer was the primary person doing original research - but my feeling is that the argument is clutching at straws. You can sometimes put primary sources in a WP article, but (shh, hope no one is reading this) you'll get on best if you can smuggle them in along with a copious load of secondary sources. The important bit is that we, as WP editors, don't form our own opinions, and don't decide what's important. We summarise the opinions held by reliable secondary sources, and we accept the existence of secondary sources as evidence of notability. You are also, unfortunately, right about the biases that this introduces. I'm personally horrified by the sheer quantity of Bollywood movie stuff; if someone even thinks that their favourite Bollywood actress might be considering acting in a movie that someone hasn't even thought of making, paragraphs of completely hypothetical trash appear about the whole non-existent thing, and because a vast array of magazines will be writing trash, WP will end up reporting in detail something that I struggle to see as particularly important compared to gravity, the biology of the cow, or the development of castles. The good news is that WP is collaborative and built by many people. You've had good and positive advice from Michael D. Turnbull; I hope your article survives in some form, as I too quite like the side of WP that is a resource of obscure-and-interesting stuff. If the article does run into trouble here, please do get it published somewhere. The world ought to know about such things. Elemimele (talk) 15:51, 5 November 2021 (UTC)g

On the steep part of the learning curve, the four images (postcard 1914, three 1945 photos by Charles Doyne Reese) are CLEARLY not your own work, the three therefor have bcopyright problems, plus the fact that they add nothing to the article. David notMD (talk) 18:59, 5 Novembere

David notMD This is just the kind of hostile and unhelpful commentary that makes me want to just drop the whole thing. For your information I own the rights to those photos and have cleared copyright. And IMHO pictures of people working in the factory in question would indeed be germane to the article. I would have never guessed the Wikipedia community (a few notable people above excluded) would be quite so rough on people who are just volunteering to share information - It seems that some would just prefer we craft rich, fully illustrated and more useful articles on other platforms rather than trying to navigate what looks like an ever-expanding set of rules and prohibitions. Ill perhaps give it one more try but a lot of the fun is taken out of this for sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sponhour (talk • contribs) 19:28, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Sponhour, please do not drop it. I came here with the intention of posting a message in one way similar to that posted by David notMD but in others very different. Your draft is fascinating and its subject is worthwhile; this makes it very different from, I regret to say, the majority of drafts that I look at. And that's just the text. As for the images, they add greatly to the value of the draft/article. Substantial collections of earlier photographs of people in particular workplaces are not at all common, and when they are found can be celebrated and published (as an example, I have in my hand a copy of Maria Kapajeva's trilingual Dream is wonderful, yet unclear, ISBN 978-9934-8748-2-6, about Kreenholm). The clothing, hairstyles, captioning and more in the three JPEGs from CDR are all of interest. But yes, there were copyright problems with all four. Luckily I didn't get out of bed on the wrong side this morning, and therefore instead of moaning about the simple one I fixed it (I think). What's important to remember is that, when describing a scan or photograph of a two-dimensional work (painting, postcard, photograph, etc), "own work" doesn't mean the job of scanning or photographing the work; it instead means the work that was scanned or photographed. And therefore there are still copyright problems with three of the images. Their copyright presumably belongs to Charles Doyne Reese, his estate, Ecko Products (as the successors to Republic Stamping), or the successors to Ecko Products (if known).... Of course I don't know, and I also don't know how best to investigate this. But in your place, I'd do three things: (i) remove the three from the draft, (ii) ask (regretfully) for "speedy deletion" from Commons, (iii) ask a librarian at the William McKinley Presidential Library and Museum about copyright. (Anybody could ask for deletion, but if you do it, this simplifies the process and should be good for your reputation.) When the copyright mystery is sorted out, it's likely that the images can be resuscitated without much effort. I certainly hope that they will be. -- Hoary (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Sponhour (talk) 00:27, 6 November 2021 (UTC) Hoary Thank you for your kind and helpful response. I see what you did with the post card photo. As to the other photos, I have indeed consulted with the curator of the McKinley Museum and they see no copyright issues at all and on that basis are planning on an exhibit in 2022 using these images. The photographer - like many "outsider artists" - never married and had no direct descendants. I even went to the extent of getting copies of his estate from the Stark County Court. These photos were widely published by the Canton Repository and by two art galleries in NYC that were attempting to sell the album. But since there seems to be a great tendency in Wikipedia-land to go after such photos, I appear to have no choice but to remove them. I am not really clear how one would address these copyright issues to the satisfaction of the editors here. I note that the initial review did not discuss these photos but I can only assume that future objections might be raised.

Sponhour (talk) 00:44, 6 November 2021 (UTC) Hoary I took a look and boy I can't begin to make sense of how to remove the photos from my article or Wikimedia. To a newbie like me the instructions are quite opaque. Why can't I seem to delete something that I uploaded myself?

Sponhour, perhaps the word you're searching for is "Kafkaesque". Yes, encyclopedia articles in general and image copyright in particular can be a pain in the orifice. A related problem is that any username can be anyone and nobody can assume that anything said here is trustworthy; thus whereas I, personally, believe what you say above, Wikimedia Commons, institutionally, is obliged not to; but instead would have to get required info via the "VRT". OK, I'll comment out the problematic images from your draft, and then I'll do something at Commons. -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Sponhour, I've asked the experts. -- Hoary (talk) 02:05, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Inconsistencies

I'm not very good at editing and would like some assistance on a few articles I have frequented in the past. I work with animals and have noticed some inconsistencies between a few pages and on rare occasions blatant misinformation. I have corrected small things with my limited ability but there is much I would need help with. To whoever this may reach, any help I can receive is welcomed and appreciated, thank you. EdwardC02 (talk) 05:20, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

EdwardC02, you may bring up any issues on the talk pages of the articles on which you are finding misinformation/inconsistencies. As for making any particular edit, if you have difficulty you may ask here at the Teahouse. Note that citing a reliable source is imperative for making content changes to Wikipedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:10, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

"Contents" window having trouble

For some reason, the "Contents" index section on Wikipedia, which contains the heading section indexing, doesn't show up on a few pages for me (including for my talk page). I'm not sure why. Am I the only one? WikiLinuz (talk) 21:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I see a Contents box on your user page, with five items in it. Maproom (talk) 22:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I see, so it's also broken for you too. Is this an issue from Wikipedia's end? Not sure. WikiLinuz (talk) 22:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

There is a discussion of this intermitent problem at WP:VPT RudolfRed (talk) 23:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I just answered a new user's query regarding an absent contents list at Nero:Talk; as far as I know, it's standard for there to be no contents list until there are more than three subheadings; when the fourth is added, a contents list is automatically generated. Try it! Haploidavey (talk) 06:42, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

You presumably meant Talk:Nero, rather than Nero:Talk? I believe that the OP there was referring to the article, not to its talk page. I have replied to your answer there to mention the thread Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Missing TOC? as mentioned above. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Admins

I want to become an admin, just because I really want to feel like a major part of Wikipedia. But how? I just wanted to know, how can I prove myself to be worthy of an admin? If I had admin, I would be vandalism's worst enemy. Please tell me how I can prove myself. WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 22:16, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You have already been temporarily blocked for blatant vandalism, which is the exact opposite of being Administrator-worthy. Ask again after several years and thousands of useful edits. David notMD (talk) 22:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You don't need to be an admin to fight vandalism. When you're ready to be productive, check out WP:CVA RudolfRed (talk) 23:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

WaterflameIsAwesome, you have 55 edits so far and your most edited Wikipedia article is 2021 World Series which you vandalized and that resulted in a block. So, you have dug yourself into a deep hole regarding your reputation on Wikipedia, and you will have to do years of good work to overcome your big mistakes at the beginning of editing Wikipedia. So, improve articles in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, write new policy compliant articles, participate in behind-the-scenes work to improve and defend the encyclopedia, be polite and helpful at all times, and prove through several years of good work that you are here to improve the encyclopedia instead of being a jerk. That is your only hope. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

WaterflameIsAwesome, why would you want to be an administrator? This is not a rhetorical question: if at some point in the future you are put forward to become one, you will get asked, "What is it that you want to do that you need admin tools to do?" I have been an editor since 2005, and made almost 20 000 edits, but I have never considered asking to be an admin, because I can provide all the services I want to provide to Wikipedia without it. --ColinFine (talk) 08:57, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

WaterflameIsAwesome just to add to what others have written please be aware that you can become a major part of Wikipedia without being an admin. Edit articles, report vandals to WP:AIV, fix spelling errors etc etc. There are so many things to do around here and, as WikiP is dynamic, the work never ends. MarnetteD|Talk 09:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

David notMD, I don't care that I was blocked. I don't even know what I was blocked for. It was just a simple mistake, and nothing to block me for. Also, SEVERAL YEARS AND THOUSANDS OF "useful" EDITS?!!? Welp, looks like I'll be an admin by around 2030-2050. ;( RudolfRed I mean I wouldn't JUST fight vandalism. For a person with 55 edits, according to @Cullen328:, I know surprisingly well that an admin's purpose is not solely vandalism. I mean, it COULD be, but still, no. Cullen³²⁸, again, the vandalism happened ONCE. And I don't even know why people fret over a single thing that was vandalized. I don't know why I got the block. But still. Also, I am not a jerk. I literally thanked @Dmoore5556: for helping take care of an IP user vandalizing the page I did (Although I didn't do nearly as much damage as that user did), 2021 World Series. If I was a jerk, I would have ranted on about unblocking the users and stuff and basically just have annoyed them. So, um, whatever. ColinFine "What is it that you want to do that you need admin tools to do"? Look, I don't know what tools admins have that non-admins don't, but they sound like powerful, important people, which is the reason I asked this question in the first place. Also, 2005?!!? I didn't even exist in 2005!!! Of course you can make 20,000 edits in 16 years! I mean, right? And besides, I don't really have a lot of pages to edit (meaning that my knowledge is limited to only a few topics), so once I've edited those pages up to where I've put all my knowledge in them, I've got nothing to edit. Additionally, my edits are usually just removed from the pages. That's either an idiotic vandaliser, or an admin who thinks my edits are rubbish. Whatever it is, it's not helping me contribute in any way. And MarnetteD, I CAN become a major part of Wikipedia without being an admin? So, this means that users will consider ME to talk to when they have problems? This means that most will recognize ME as a great user? This means that everyone will respect ME as a user? This means that admins won't mess with ME and I can roam free of block warnings? Hmm... I wish I lived that fantasy. Whatever I do to try and get people to respect me ANYWHERE (not just WP) does nothing. I'm just waiting for a user to come on to Wikipedia randomly and all of a sudden be respected by millions of users, just so I can say to myself "They just don't want me.".

Waiting for responses ;/ ;/ ;/ ;/ ;/ \x \x \x \x \x WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 20:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

WaterflameIsAwesome, you might find the essay Hat collecting helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@WaterflameIsAwesome: You might also want to learn more about admins by reading Wikipedia:Administrators, especially the caption of the janitor's mop. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@WaterflameIsAwesome: Admins are not immune from warnings. Also, they aren't more important than other editors.

From Wikipedia:Administrators: "Wikipedia's administrative tools are often likened to a janitor's mop, leading to adminship being described at times as being "given the mop". Just like a real-world janitor might have keys to offices that some other workers are excluded from, admins have some role-specific abilities, but – also like a real-world janitor – they're not more important than the other editors."

And for "That's either an idiotic vandaliser, or an admin who thinks my edits are rubbish.":

First, a lot of warnings you see are from non admins. Second, WP:AGF. Also, maybe there might be something wrong with your edits? - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 10:02, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Criticism section

I usually see the section on "Criticism" towards the end of a page. But is there a reason why there's none for Narendra Modi given that he's pretty controversial (like that one time he accepted foreign fund when a natural disaster striked Gujarat but not when my state got flooded, but yeah thats pretty annoying). To check whether this is a standard practice i also checked out the page for other politicians that i think have at least controversial but none among Winston Churchill, Jawaharlal Nehru, Joseph Stalin and also Adolf Hitler

I have however seen section for "Legacy" so is that a norm for popular figures who have passed away. Also in what scenarios are "Criticism" section used? LostCitrationHunter (talk) 11:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

LostCitrationHunter Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I would suggest reading this page. In short, "criticism" sections should be avoided- usually by calling it something more neutral(such as "legacy" as you mention). 331dot (talk) 11:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Will I be punished?

If I have uploaded an image on fair use rationale, but it actually was protected under copyright, will I be the one you gets the mentioned punishment (fine or imprisonment) or Wikipedia? Excellenc1 (talk) 07:12, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: No. You uploaded a logo of a company which meets with fair use criteria. But if you upload a image not meets with fair use criteria, it might be deleted and if you do it again and again you might be blocked. Richard M William (talk) 07:30, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@Richard M William: So can you please review this file? (Also check the terms of use of the source here) Excellenc1 (talk) 07:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Sorry, I'm not a reviewer. So I can't. I'm new here. Richard M William (talk) 08:12, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1:, hello there! You've given credit and proper rationale on why the logo is in fair use, so I believe you are all set. If there's issues with image quality a bot will come and scale down resolution, too. I might go as far to say that this logo doesn't meet the fair use criteria at all and can be in commons due to its nature that's too simple for copyright, but that's a story for another time. Panini!^🥪 13:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

my bio isn't being shown on the wikipedia page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Preethim93 please look at this page and tell us what we can do about it. Preethim93 (talk) 13:11, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Preethim93, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a total misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. First, you tried to write an autobiography, which is very strongly discouraged. Secondly, you put it in entirely the wrong place - you put it in your user talk page, which is for other editors to communicate with you. I moved it to your sandbox, but another editor has now deleted it, because it is nowhere near appropriate for a Wikipedia article. Note that only articles get indexed by external search engines.

If at some point, Wikipedia has an article about you (whether written by you or by somebody else) the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not be in any way for your benefit, except incidentally, will not necessarily contain what you want it to say, and should be based nearly 100% on what people who have no connection with you have chosen to publish about you, not on what you say or want to say about yourself.

Basically, if you are here to contribute to this wonderful collaborative programme, you are very welcome, but if all you are here for is to promote yourself, then please find another outlet to do so. --ColinFine (talk) 13:38, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Regarding

I don't know how to use the Wikipedia. But When I know then you'd blocked me. Please unblock my personal account asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preethim93 (talk • contribs) 13:11, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

removed a Template:Unblock which was in the start of the line melecie t 13:36, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

hi PartapSBimrah, don't worry, you're not blocked. generally, writing articles are hard (see Help:Your first article), and writing an autobiography in wikipedia is even harder to get right due to conflict of interest, which is why we discourage doing one. but just because you did one doesn't mean you get banned, as long as we learn when we get such notifications. happy editing! melecie t 13:36, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, Preethim93. Please read my reply to you just above. You have not been blocked, but the first thing you tried to do at Wikipedia was to promote yourself (read: tell the world about yourself), which is forbidden at Wikipedia, so your promotional text has been deleted. I have put some welcoming links on your user talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 13:44, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Footballer's article

Hello. My this article was moved to draftspace. But I've seen many articles of footballers without reliable source. Why? Thank you. Richard M William (talk) 08:10, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@Richard M William: According to me, the footballer articles you have seen might be old ones, back when reviewing didn't exist or wasn't so strict. Now that it does exist, you have to follow the guidlines. Excellenc1 (talk) 08:21, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Yeah, might be. Thank you for your suggestion. Richard M William (talk) 08:24, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Richard M William, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please look at other stuff exists. If you find substandard articles, you would be doing a service to Wikipedia to either improve their sourcing, or to nominate them for deletion if you think suitable sources don't exist. This takes work, of course. --ColinFine (talk) 13:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

ColinFine, thank you so much for your suggestion! Richard M William (talk) 14:10, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

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