Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia/Archive 5
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Address redlink On Reinforcement of the Fight Against Drug Addiction (1974 Soviet law)
Can anyone help me to determine what is the original Russian-language title of this law? Does an article on it exist at Russian Wikipedia? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 18:29, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
- I take it it is Об усилении борьбы с наркоманией? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 05:56, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Mister X
Can Russian-speaking editors take a look at Mister X (1958 film) in its draft to date and provide their thoughts about it on the talk page's discussion here? Feedback about the Russian-language references and any of them being useful would be welcome. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 13:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Request for stub on RUwiki: Toronto District School Board
Any Russophone editors interested in making an RU wiki stub on the en:Toronto District School Board? Please link to the Russian language page at http://www.tdsb.on.ca/languages/ru-ru/home.aspx - It would be very important for Toronto's Russophone community if this article was created.
Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 20:07, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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The book and by extension the wikipedia page for it, is getting quite a bit of attention lately. However, I realized that the article is almost entirely derived from a review on a site that doesn't look reliable.
Harizotoh9 (talk) 17:22, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Soliciting comments on Russo-Georgian War
I have started a RfC [1] on a certain contentious statement in this article, please help resolve the dispute. I should say that the article is under discretionary sanctions - edit carefully! Banedon (talk) 00:52, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Questionable Section Added to Russian Orthodox Church
A new section has been added to the article on the Russian Orthodox Church cataloguing a long list of atrocities allegedly committed either by the ROC or with its blessing. Unfortunately all of the sources are in Russian. Someone with a decent command of the language may want to vet the new section and carefully check out those sources. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:23, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Problematic article Yorick and Yurick
An editor has created the article Yorick and Yurick, that appears to deal with Vladimir Vysotsky, Oleg Dahl, and Innokenty Smoktunovsky; their relationship to the character Yorick in Shakespeare's play Hamlet; and possibly some kind of connection with secret intelligence services. The article has several aspects that concern me, but mainly the problem is that I am failing to understand what it is actually about (in policyese, what its assertion of notability is); and while it does cite some sources, they are all in Russian so I am unable to determine whether they can be considered to verify the text. And the problem is compounded by the article's creator's limited grasp of English. As it stands I am going to end up nominating it for deletion, but I really hate doing that if there's a chance it's just my failure to understand. Especially as the editor has indicated they will be offline for several months soon, and thus will not be able to argue their case at AfD.
If anyone here is able to help, that would be much appreciated. Perhaps particularly if you speak Russian and can check the cited sources. Thanks in advance to anyone that can pitch in here! --Xover (talk) 16:53, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
- I think it is pure trivia and must be nominated for deletion per WP:NOT--Ymblanter (talk) 17:39, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
- The sources confirm specific statements but do not establish the notability of the topic.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:42, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
- Please note that the article has now been nominated for deletion. Interested editors can follow or participate on the articles entry: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yorick and Yurick. --Xover (talk) 06:08, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Help finding sources?
The article for Encyclopedia of bread has been nominated for deletion, but it looks like the book has only been released in Russian. I was wondering if anyone wanted to take a look for sources, particularly academic sources since I'm not sure where to check for those. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 20:15, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Request for Comment - Introduction to Whataboutism
There is an ongoing Request for Comment about the introduction to the article Whataboutism.
You may comment if you wish, at Talk:Whataboutism#RfC:_Introduction_to_the_subject. Sagecandor (talk) 17:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
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RfC about Cold War II's "EU/NATO vs Russia" section
I started an RfC discussion at Talk:Cold War II about "EU and NATO members vs. Russia" section. I invite you to discuss it there. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 14:15, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Seltso (disambiguation)#Definition of "seltso"
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Seltso (disambiguation)#Definition of "seltso". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 06:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
merge discussion at Baltic amber
There is a merge proposal that could benefit from additional eyes at Baltic amber--Kevmin § 17:28, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
{{ Invitation to Peace Treaty with North Korea : AfD |Please see}}
Dear Participants of WikiProject Russia
Thank you for your efforts and contribution of Wikipedia.
From my understanding, North Korea nuclear issue is quite related to many parts of Russia.
Please refer to this Invitation to AfD and let us know your opinion for this article whether it should be
"Keep", "Delete", "Merge", "Redirect", or other view Comment
on the top page of Peace Treaty with North Korea, please click the link this article's entry for your valuable opinion.
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Goodtiming8871 (talk) 10:27, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
honorific_suffix for Russians
К вашему сведению, Igorkhait, без всяких обсуждений, начал массово добавлять некие honorific_suffix для русских персоналий. Как вам это? --XXN, 22:49, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- It likely needs to be reverted, but somebody should talk to the user first.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:10, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Small Favor if Anyone's Interested
Over at Baal Hammon, the first reference appears to be in Russian -- I think I see the word "Moscow in there":
- Дьяконов И. М. Языки древней Передней Азии. Издательство Наука, Москва. 1967
If anyone wants to spare a minute, I would appreciate if I could get an English translation of the title.
Thanks in advance,
Alephb (talk) 08:37, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Alephb:, the author is Igor M. Diakonoff, Iranica translates the title as Languages of ancient West Asia.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:30, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- I appreciate it. Alephb (talk) 14:45, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
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RfC on lead sentence for Abram Petrovich Gannibal
I started an RfC on the lead sentence of the article and how the subject should be referred to. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:57, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Vandalism on Template:Terms for types of country subdivisions
{{Terms for types of country subdivisions}} https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Terms_for_types_of_country_subdivisions&diff=808466871&oldid=808465621
- removal of items (e.g. the Service districts, School district, National capital region, National capital territory)
- mislinking items (e.g. Land district changed to Lands administrative divisions of Australia)
- addition of country specific items on top of the general term (e.g. County municipality plus County municipality (Norway), County municipality (Nova Scotia))
- missorting of items (e.g. Mountain resort municipality not below Resort municipality)
- missorting of top-level items : Canton before Borough
- turning general item into country-specific item (e.g. Special district into Special district (United States))
- removing part of the name from the label (e.g. Non-metropolitan county changed to Non-metropolitan)
Can someone intervene? User:Ezhiki, User:Ymblanter? 85.181.98.181 (talk) 18:17, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Item linking in Wikidata - duplicates
- Moskovskaya zastava Municipal Okrug - https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q25059076&action=history
- Pulkovsky meridian Municipal Okrug - https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q25041722&action=history
- Porokhovye Municipal Okrug - https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q25045248&action=history
- Krasnenkaya Rechka Municipal Okrug - https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q25044591&action=history
- Narvsky Municipal Okrug - https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q25045165&action=history
- Aptekarsky Ostrov Municipal Okrug - https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q20311541&action=history
But the Russian items had been connected in Wikidata long before. User:Ezhiki created the enWP items, User:GZWDer (flood) created new items for enWP. No interwiki links between ruWP and enWP for more than a year. 77.180.100.52 (talk) 22:38, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Would have helped if Ezhiki would have connected the new items correctly in Wikidata. 77.180.100.52 (talk) 22:39, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Editing help needed
More eyes needed for article improvement on Useful idiots where the current Russian interference in the US elections issues seem to have spilled over. SPECIFICO talk 19:26, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Naming discussion
Comments are requested at Talk:Lada (goddess) regarding what should be the primary topic for the term Lada, if any. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:28, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Requested move discussion at Holocaust trials in Soviet Estonia
The discussion can be found here:
K.e.coffman (talk) 01:58, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Russian declension
Regarding the article on Russian declension.
I'm new to the Russian language. Can you tell me why the order of the cases in the wikipedia tables is nom, acc, dat, gen, etc. instead of nom, gen, dat, acc? I asked the instructor of the class I'm taking. They confirm that the usual order is nom, gen, dat, acc. Why are gen and acc switched in the wikipedia tables? Compare to the Russia Today rt.com tables.
-- Thanks Telecomtom (talk) 20:00, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
- The standard order in Russian is indeed NGDA, I am not sure why it is done differently in the article.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:55, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Telecomtom: The case order is pretty accidental and established rather by tradition then by logic. The NOM-GEN-DAT-ACC order is quite old and traced back to the first Greek and Latin grammars. Expectedly, the authors of the first Russian grammars followed that familiar order. However, coincidentally the traditional order somewhat resembles case hierarchy. The reason why in materials for learners of Russian NOM is followed by ACC is because NOM=ACC for a certain class of nominals.--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 20:18, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Question over the flag of the Russian Empire
Hi everyone. We would appreciate the input of someone who is familiar with historical Russian flags over at Talk:Russian Empire#Which flag image to use. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 02:32, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
LiveJournal
Hi, there is a discussion here about whether the LiveJournal blog site is wholly unreliable as a source or whether some users such as bmpd.livejournal.com are regarded as reliable. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:06, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
In the discussion in pl.wikipedia user pointed out that you use this flag in several articles. It's not correct (also, check its description... Fantasy flag! Do not use in articles!). Regards, Wostr (talk) 00:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
- In Russian Wikipedia we actually discussed this some years ago and devised a rule ВП:НЕГЕРБ, that disapproves the usage of (largely invented in modern times) flags and COA for any state entities before roughly the 17th-18th centuries, except for medieval Western Europe, where heraldic tradition was some 500 years older (that is, it's OK to show the COA for, e.g., France from the 12th century onward, but not so for, e.g., Ancient Greek states). Unfortunately, I know no such a rule in English Wikipedia, because the problem is much wider than Russian topics, but has permeated a lot of historical articles.--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 21:34, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
- In pl.wiki we have the same problem with many fictional flags and COA (especially ancient history I think, but recently also with fictional/not official flags of modern states). Thank you for the info of the ru.wiki rule – I'll keep this in mind (and in bookmarks ;) , because this problem in pl.wiki is not regulated and this may be helpful in the future. Wostr (talk) 22:50, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
PutinTeam
I'm interested in creating a page about the "PutinTeam" effort (launched by Alexander Ovechkin). Would anybody be interested in helping to improve such an article if I start it? SecretName101 (talk) 05:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
I have created a (rudimentary) article for this topic. Feel free to contribute.SecretName101 (talk) 05:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.
A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Russia
Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod talk 12:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Transport related articles
Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line was moved, then moved back, then overwritten with a station article. The content of the line is currently not visible. History must be split.
Also all(?) articles related to items in Russia use "X Type" (uppercase type name). Moscow Oblast not Moscow oblast. Sources also seem to use "-" not "-". But users from outside WP:RUSSIA carry out a move war. 78.55.76.239 (talk) 04:06, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
- Carry out a move war? I made a few moves in good faith. You asked for them to be reverted. I didn't object. Then an admin screwed up. Etc. Don't make it what it's not. Dicklyon (talk) 06:35, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
- User:Dicklyon, User:Anthony Appleyard restored it, but SMcCandlish moved again, and User:Jenks24 moved further to an ambiguous name. 77.179.24.246 (talk) 00:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not sure of the sequence, but Jenks24 restored the status quo ante, I believe, so let's discuss and take it from there. Dicklyon (talk) 00:18, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- User:Dicklyon, User:Anthony Appleyard restored it, but SMcCandlish moved again, and User:Jenks24 moved further to an ambiguous name. 77.179.24.246 (talk) 00:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Station article now at page named after a line. Better than any vandal. 213.39.172.112 (talk) 04:14, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
- It's being dealt with. -- AlexTW 04:23, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Page content undeleted by User:Jenks24. But he re-introduced ambiguous names Shosse Entuziastov (Moscow Metro) (there are two), Aviamotornaya (Moscow Metro) (there are two). Why would one do that? The year-long-standing convention is to use line name in case "X (Moscow Metro)" is ambiguous. All links point to the disambiguated name, and readers get confronted with a redirect. 85.182.117.227 (talk) 07:21, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
- Start a requested move discussion at the article talk page rather than fracturing it over half a dozen pages. That title is the status quo ante and was uncontroversial for several years before the recent move warring. Jenks24 (talk) 07:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
- Jenks24 - maybe you are not aware of it, but Moscow Metro is expanding, it's the 5th largest system in the world. Also English Wikipedia is growing. New stations became part of the Moscow Metro system and so the old names became ambiguous. The standard way for years is to use the line name as disambiguator. That was done via WP:RMT. This is absolut standard procedure. The mess only start when one user moved the station articles to conform with his newly created lowercase line naming. His target names have not been ambiguous. He even agreed to restore the old version. Anthony restored the old versions. But then SMcCandlish undid restoration of naming according to years-long standard way of naming these articles. And you jumped in and moved the station articles to ambiguous names. Now WP:RUSSIA has ambiguous article titles and since many links have been changed to point to the unambiguous names, users are now greeted with redirect notices, thanks to your moves against years-long consensus. Shame on you! 77.179.24.246 (talk) 00:06, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- There's no shame even if how he helped is not what you'd consider ideal. You should be thanking him for recovering the deleted file. You can still make sure the handful of redirects from unambiguous titles go directly to the right articles, and make sure all the links are appropriately disambiguated. You want me to help with that? Dicklyon (talk) 00:18, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- Jenks24 - maybe you are not aware of it, but Moscow Metro is expanding, it's the 5th largest system in the world. Also English Wikipedia is growing. New stations became part of the Moscow Metro system and so the old names became ambiguous. The standard way for years is to use the line name as disambiguator. That was done via WP:RMT. This is absolut standard procedure. The mess only start when one user moved the station articles to conform with his newly created lowercase line naming. His target names have not been ambiguous. He even agreed to restore the old version. Anthony restored the old versions. But then SMcCandlish undid restoration of naming according to years-long standard way of naming these articles. And you jumped in and moved the station articles to ambiguous names. Now WP:RUSSIA has ambiguous article titles and since many links have been changed to point to the unambiguous names, users are now greeted with redirect notices, thanks to your moves against years-long consensus. Shame on you! 77.179.24.246 (talk) 00:06, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- @Jenks24: The move error with Moscow railway pages is described a bit after halfway through the section User talk:Anthony Appleyard#Mis-moved. See also long closed discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Moscow metro - WP:RMT logic. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
RfC on CONSISTENCY and USEENGLISH (and dashes and capital letters) in Russian train station article titles
Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Russian railway line article titles.
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 04:31, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
The above user heavily misrepresents the long standing convention, called by him "Option B". He also moves talk around, sections addressing specific policies/guidelines that he had invoked are moved down [2]. 85.182.27.83 (talk) 07:26, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Trying to find answers to two questions about cannabis in Russia
I did a recent expansion to Cannabis in Russia, using translations and cites from two different ru.wikipedia pages to flesh out our history coverage. I have two key questions I'd like to address, but my Russian isn't great so I'm not the best guy for trying to find answers. If anyone speaks Russian and has a moment, I'd appreciate any help with two key questions:
- How far back does cultivation of cannabis for fiber (hemp) in Russia go? I've seen some vague mentions that Peter the Great promoted it, but was it already present prior to him too?
- When did cannabis (might appear better in sources as "гашиш") begin to appear as a narcotic drug in Russia? I would assume that it filtered up from the Central Asian states as they were absorbed, but that's just my guess.
If anyone is able to take a quick swing through GoogleBooks and find me a cite or two on either of these topics, we can get the page further fleshed out. Thanks for any help! Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 12:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Translation request
Could someone please translate this article? Please ping me when you have. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Split proposal: List of Russian explorers
It has been proposed that the first portion of List of Russian explorers be split out into its own article "History of Russian Exploration". Your feedback would be welcome at Talk:List of Russian explorers#Split proposal. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:09, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Translation help with quote
Hello, the article October: Ten Days That Shook the World contains a quote by Jean-Claude Conesa which seems to have been badly translated - it contains multiple errors. The source cited is in Russian. Can anyone help with this? Thank you. Jessicapierce (talk) 06:29, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
- That is one convoluted quote... I took a stab at it; let me know if it needs further tweaking.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 24, 2018; 16:52 (UTC)
Geography help requested for large prehistoric creature article series
I'm a paleontology editor and I've been compiling lists of prehistoric life by geographic region (example) based on data extracted from the Paleobiology Database. As the largest country in the world the prehistoric life of Russia was naturally too diverse to fit in a single article so I've been compiling lists of fossils by federal subject. Unfortunately the database isn't entirely consistent with how it labeled fossils by federal subject of origin. There are variant transliterations, use of geographic regions instead of formal administrative divisions, use of city names in place of federal subjects, and other potential sources of confusion.
I'm not an expert on Russian geography so I need some help to make sense of this all. I've listed all of the various labels from the database under the federal subjects that I think each label is synonymous with or contained within. I was wondering if any of you guys who are familiar with Russian geography could proofread this list and make sure that none of these associations are mistaken. Abyssal (talk) 16:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
CfD nomination of Category:Cup of Russia
Category:Cup of Russia has been nominated for renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. RA0808 talkcontribs 15:39, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
AfD
Your participation is requested at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lesokhimik Atsme📞📧 16:07, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- Forgot to add the second article - Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Metallurg_Bratsk Atsme📞📧 18:11, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
How to call Karaite Subbotniks
At Talk:Subbotniks#Karaimites there's a lengthy discussion on whether the article should give "Karaimites" as an alternative name for Karaite Subbotniks. Additional community input would be appreciated. Huon (talk) 22:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, Sorry for my English. It's note my mothertongue. I'm just user of the 'Crimes in the Soviet Union'. I don't know where to ask my question, so I ask it here. Even if I know this is not accurate. In the page 'Crimes in the Soviet Union', § Ideology, you cite a sentence of B. A. Viktorov, Deputy Minister for Internal Affairs, but when did he says that, even approximately ? Thank you for the precision. Christophe ANTHOINE (talk) 21:47, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Draft:Jason Jay Smart
I was reviewing this draft and found that majority of the references are in Russian language. Therefore, bringing the same into your notice. Would be great if anyone could verify the reliability of the sources. Thanks! Dial911 (talk) 02:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Dial911 (talk) 02:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Beslan school siege - inaccuracies?
A user said there are inaccuracies with the Beslan school siege article as explained in This talk page section with sources cited. Would someone mind looking into it? Thanks! WhisperToMe (talk) 19:42, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
- They seem to be unhappy with the sources the article uses but they do not have better sources, and they apparently want to push WP:OR. I guess we need to wait until they suggest reliable sources to supercede these in the article.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:45, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- I fail to see how pointing out inaccuracies in an article and citing sources to support own statements would qualify as WP:OR. The article in its current state is in fact full of inaccuracies, and what Arbeite19 pointed out is just a drop in a bucket. The question of sources is the cornerstone of the problem here, but it could be unresolvable. Because there are so many controversies surrounding the Beslan crisis, cleaning up the article would ultimately come down to what editors consider to be acceptable sources. Since editors may have propensity to choose some sources over others (simple example: someone may like RT more than CNN or vice versa), there is potential for editing wars. On the other hand, you can't really say anymore that "according to A, there were 32 terrorists" and "according to B, there were 52 terrorists" , because by now the major controversies have been cleared and proven (some, even scientifically). I'm sure Arbeite can provide sources as the user is one of the key contributors for the Russian version of the article, but I'm not confident they will be accepted here because many would be in Russian, some would be coming from the Russian state-owned media, others could be from sources like court transcripts or scanned documents. But, if the goal here is to write, in fact, an accurate, full and unbiased article, using some of these sources would basically be unavoidable. Никто не забыт (talk) 15:34, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- So far, I do not see them providing any sources at all, they just point out that the sources used in the article are inconsistent. Furhtermore, our policy (WP:RS) does not make any distinction between sources in variuos languages as soon as those are reliable. (English sources are preferrable, but if English sources of acceptable quality do not exist Russian sources are perfectly fine).--Ymblanter (talk) 19:58, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- I see at least four different sources provided in the original post that address some of the concerns voiced by the user: two - for the disputed victims count, which refer to the official website of the town of Beslan, and two - in reference to terrorists identities (one is a Russian news agency and another is a research center). Now the question is whether they can be accepted as reliable by En-Wiki? Sources for other inaccuracies would obviously have to be provided separately. Никто не забыт (talk) 22:31, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- The first three sources seem to be reliable, the last one is self-publuished and therefore is not a reliable source.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:30, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- The last one is hosted on what appears to be a personal website, but it's a copy of the original work, published by currently non-existent ethnographic research center. So the work itself is certainly reliable, but its current available location looks strange. Никто не забыт (talk) 19:39, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- A reference to a paper publication would be fine.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:46, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- As was said by the user Никто не забыт, the fourth source is not self-published. The list was compiled by a North-Ossetian research center "Charta Caucasica":http://www.tkhostov.ru/beslan/detail.php?ID=1202. Its experts were quoted in multiple Russian and Ossetian news agencies[3][4][5][6][7]. As for your allegation implying that I'm "pushing original research" just by pointing out inaccuracies in the article, such an accusation seems even more strange and ridiculous given that the article in question is one giant original research itself:
- A reference to a paper publication would be fine.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:46, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- The last one is hosted on what appears to be a personal website, but it's a copy of the original work, published by currently non-existent ethnographic research center. So the work itself is certainly reliable, but its current available location looks strange. Никто не забыт (talk) 19:39, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- The first three sources seem to be reliable, the last one is self-publuished and therefore is not a reliable source.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:30, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- I see at least four different sources provided in the original post that address some of the concerns voiced by the user: two - for the disputed victims count, which refer to the official website of the town of Beslan, and two - in reference to terrorists identities (one is a Russian news agency and another is a research center). Now the question is whether they can be accepted as reliable by En-Wiki? Sources for other inaccuracies would obviously have to be provided separately. Никто не забыт (talk) 22:31, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- So far, I do not see them providing any sources at all, they just point out that the sources used in the article are inconsistent. Furhtermore, our policy (WP:RS) does not make any distinction between sources in variuos languages as soon as those are reliable. (English sources are preferrable, but if English sources of acceptable quality do not exist Russian sources are perfectly fine).--Ymblanter (talk) 19:58, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- I fail to see how pointing out inaccuracies in an article and citing sources to support own statements would qualify as WP:OR. The article in its current state is in fact full of inaccuracies, and what Arbeite19 pointed out is just a drop in a bucket. The question of sources is the cornerstone of the problem here, but it could be unresolvable. Because there are so many controversies surrounding the Beslan crisis, cleaning up the article would ultimately come down to what editors consider to be acceptable sources. Since editors may have propensity to choose some sources over others (simple example: someone may like RT more than CNN or vice versa), there is potential for editing wars. On the other hand, you can't really say anymore that "according to A, there were 32 terrorists" and "according to B, there were 52 terrorists" , because by now the major controversies have been cleared and proven (some, even scientifically). I'm sure Arbeite can provide sources as the user is one of the key contributors for the Russian version of the article, but I'm not confident they will be accepted here because many would be in Russian, some would be coming from the Russian state-owned media, others could be from sources like court transcripts or scanned documents. But, if the goal here is to write, in fact, an accurate, full and unbiased article, using some of these sources would basically be unavoidable. Никто не забыт (talk) 15:34, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- 1. OR № 1: the most glaring example can be found in the "The first explosions and the fire in the gymnasium" section. On 2 July 2015 the user going by the nickname Cloud200 took it upon himself to tell us THE TRUTH: "Most evidence points towards a theory presented in August 2006 by State Duma member Yuri Savelyev, a weapons and explosives expert". He didn't provide any sources supporting this statement (that "most evidence" indeed points in any direction). Is this what is called "Neutral point of view" in English Wikipedia? "Listen to this guy, he's an expert, and he's against Putin, that's why everything he says is the truth". At the same time, the official version is presented in a skeptical and disdainful tone ("Torshin says A, but... however... independent Russian media/some Western journalists say B") that unequivocally tells all readers who they should side with. The arguments of both Torshin and Russian journalists who were less than pleased with Savelyev's report [8][9][10][11][12][13][14] are totally absent, there's absolutely no criticism of his views. By the way, the sentence related to "the absence of reports about adhesive tape" is misleading as well as there were two testimonies at Kulayev's trial about it [15][16].
- The aforementioned user who added that passage broke at least two Wikipedia rules (regarding NPOV and OR), but for the last 2,5 years nobody's bothered to ask him to cite sources to that outrageous sentence, or indicated that that section possibly contained OR.
- So, as of 2017, what this part of the article says about causes of the explosions in the school gym can be summed up as "the good guy Yuri Savelyev says the FSB killed everyone, he's an expert, you should believe him; the bad guy Torshin is a liar, other good guys [insert a link to Western/or "independent Russian media" here] contradict everything he says". No NPOV here, it rode off into sunset. If I wrote something along the lines of "most evidence points to a theory that the US government ordered the destruction of the Twin Towers" in the article on 9/11 while citing "Russia Today" or "The Siberian Times" as my sources or (as in this case) no sources at all, it would be promptly removed as "propaganda". Apparently, the same standards do not apply to articles about Russia.
- 2. OR № 2: the number of casualties (385 (!)). Where does this figure come from? What sources is it based on? How were the casualties counted? The BBC and Boston Globe articles cited in the preface do not include such figures (the former mentions that "the three-day siege left more than 330 people dead", and the latter talks about "334 casualties"). Who were those "10 other civilians" and what are their names? Why isn't this number reported by the Russian media, even among the journalists opposed to the government? Where is the list of casualties that can substantiate this information?
- I've already mentioned the official website of the town of Beslan in my previous message:http://www.beslan.ru/index.php/remember_cat_sltd/category/o_sobytiyah/ On that page you can see that the number "333" includes not only the hostages but also FSB officers, civilian and Emercom rescuers. It's the total death toll of the Beslan massacre (excluding the terrorists). This information was further corroborated by the book "Beslan. 3 years later":http://www.pravdabeslana.ru/trigoda/3goda.pdf published in Vladikavkaz, North Ossetia, in 2007. On pages 68-134 there are several tables which include the lists of victims with their full names, the date of birth/death and place of the burial. As these lists indicate, among the victims there were 314 hostages, 7 civilian and 2 Emercom rescuers; 10 FSB officers died during the storming of the school. Even if you take 31 dead terrorists into account, the total number of casualties will be 364 and not 385.
- This information isn't classified, all English Wikipedia editors needed to do in order to find it was to use, for once, Russian sources, and not English, Zimbabwean or Vietnamese ones.
- 3. OR № 3 ("Government response" section): "The Russian government defended the use of tanks and other heavy weaponry, arguing that it was used only after surviving hostages escaped from the school" (no source provided). Show me Russian sources where government officials say "we used heavy weaponry after the hostages ESCAPED". Let's see what they actually said during Kulayev's trial:
- Oleg Akulov, 16th hearing of Kulayev's trial
- Пострадавших не было уже на момент около 17-18 часов в районе столовой. Там уже никого не было. Всех оттуда вытащили. [17]
- Victor Sobolev, 43th hearing of Kulayev's trial
- В 21 час, когда были освобождены заложники, кого раненого выносили и так далее. Когда штурм уже закончился, офицеры были уже в школе, бандиты сопротивление оказывали в подвале в том числе, и по их расположению танк 325 сделал несколько выстрелов – 5 по подвалу. Затем еще 2 выстрела с другой стороны по тем огневым точкам. [18]
- Here is what the Prosecutor General's office had to say on this subject:
- На момент производства танковых выстрелов операция по освобождению заложников была завершена, заложники из спортивного зала и прилегающих к нему помещений были эвакуированы из здания школы до 18 часов.[19]
- As was shown above, the officials talked about the evacuation of hostages, not their escape. So whoever wrote that passage completely misconstrued their words.
- 4. Another example of "NPOV according to English Wikipedia":"The Russian government downplayed the numbers, repeatedly stating there were only 354 hostages; this reportedly angered the hostage-takers who further mistreated their captives." As in the other cases I've presented, how about checking what was said by government officials themselves? Here's the recording (14:23-14:38) of that controversial moment. What the HQ spokesperson Lev Dzugaev actually said was:
- В результате той работы, которая проводилась, уточнялись списки тех, кто может находиться в заложниках. На этот час в этих списках 354 человека.
- Translation:
- As a result of the work conducted, the lists of those who may be held hostage are being clarified. At this hour, there are 354 people in these lists."
- He didn't say anything like "there are 354 hostages inside the school". He was talking about the lists of hostages that were being compiled by the HQ with the help of local police, and not about the total number of people held hostage. Dzugaev and Head of the HQ Valery Andreev further elaborated on this subject in their testimonies at Kulayev's trial [20][21]. Both Russian and foreign journalists showed their total incompetence in handling that matter and misreported what was said during that press conference, only the Russian NTV channel cited Dzugaev's words verbatim [22].
- It's remarkable how two different Wikipedias, Russian and English, deal with this delicate matter. In Russian Wikipedia, it's just said that "there was information about 354 people held hostage, and it sparked a major controversy". Then there's a link to a separate article specifically devoted to controversies related to the Beslan massacre, where both points of view (the one held by the media and NGOs on the one hand, and the government - on the other) are represented. On the contrary, the English article is quick to pass judgement and accuses the government of "downplaying the crisis" while citing only articles from the opposition newspaper "Novaya Gazeta", ignoring any other points of view. Very objective. Very unbiased. Standing ovation ensues
- 5. "Hostage-takers" section contains names of the militants that weren't officially identified[23][24] as hostage-takers and omits other militants who were:
- 1) Iznaur Kodzoyev was killed on 13 April 2005 [25][26], and not in August 2005, as a dubious English article that's currently cited there claims. Kodzoyev was mistakenly identified as a hostage-taker by one of the hostages (Kastuyev) who escaped from the school [27]. There is no mention of Kodzoyev's participation in the Beslan attack in Torshin's report either [28]. So what is his name still doing in the list of officially identified hostage-takers, if the Russian authorities didn't confirm that he was identified at all?
- 2) Benalia and Larussi weren't identified by the Russian investigators as hostage-takers. They were killed in Chechnya in March 2004 [29], and there haven't been any official statements by the FSB or other Russian law-enforcement agencies indicating that these Arab mercenaries might have survived. Alexander Torshin refuted the reports in the British press about Benalia and Larussi's participation in the attack several days after they were published [30][31]. According to the Prosecutor General's office, there were two foreign mercenaries among the terrorists killed in Beslan, whose names were Abu Faroukh and Magomed [32][33][34].
- 3) Who is this Khaula Nazirova? Does this person even exist? There have been absolutely no confirmations of her participation in the Beslan attack in Russian sources. And this section of the article is a blatant original research as it's precluded by a sentence stating that "in April 2005, the identity of the shahidka female militants was revealed": the Deputy Prosecutor General Nikolay Shepel never even mentioned this name in the articles links to which are provided, whoever wrote that passage attributed to him the words he never said. Not to mention the nature of the "source" of this information about Nazirova that states that "an unknown Chechen rebel group called the Black Widows organised the siege of a school" (?!) (are you kidding me? is this what is now considered "a reliable source" in English Wikipedia on the Beslan school siege?). Even Shamil Basayev, the mastermind behind the attack, said in his statement on kavkazcenter.com that he sent two female suicide bombers to the Beslan school, and not three as written in this ridiculous article. Facepalm
- 6. The map of the school that is used in the article is completely wrong as well, as can be seen from the aforementioned book "Beslan. 3 years later" [35] (floor plans of the school and maps of the surrounding territory are on p. 158-161), as is the rough plan of Emercom rescuers' vehicle approach on 3 September: they drove to the school along Kominterna Street and not through School Lane as the passage to the school building is blocked by garages.
- This is not the full list of inaccuracies in the article; there are still many more there. I don't see any way right now how it can be drastically improved given the current Russophobic political climate. I just leave this message here as indication of how "objective and unbiased" English Wikipedia is in relation to Russia. Arbeite19 (talk) 16:28, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- What you have written above is exactly original research.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:51, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- This is not the full list of inaccuracies in the article; there are still many more there. I don't see any way right now how it can be drastically improved given the current Russophobic political climate. I just leave this message here as indication of how "objective and unbiased" English Wikipedia is in relation to Russia. Arbeite19 (talk) 16:28, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- I think a good way to approach disputed content in the Beslan article is to find a full copy of the official Duma report preferably on official Russian government servers. Then we can compare that report to press coverage. If the Western media/NGOs actively dispute what is in the report Wikipedia can say: "The Duma report stated A, the BBC/CNN/etc stated B." - If early western media/NGO coverage stated one thing, the Duma report stated another, and the western media/NGOs don't dispute the Duma finding, it's easy to conclusively say the Duma finding is true.
- For example we can state the initial reporting that Kodzoyev was involved but that his name isn't in the Torsin report (if in the past it was hosted on Russian government servers I might be able to retrieve it)
- We can use the Kommersant sources. If there is a rough consensus of the dates in international sources and/or in the report, use those. If they're still disputed, state which sources say which dates.
- WhisperToMe (talk) 18:08, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Exactly.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:12, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- As for the Yurii Savel’ev report, if that and the Torshin report differ, say "Torshin's report stated A, Savel’ev's report stated B" WhisperToMe (talk) 18:50, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Right, and the original synthesis is not really needed. We are not here to perform independent investigations.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:23, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- As for the Yurii Savel’ev report, if that and the Torshin report differ, say "Torshin's report stated A, Savel’ev's report stated B" WhisperToMe (talk) 18:50, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- Exactly.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:12, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
- The next step could be to go through each argument. If an argument simply is about inconsistencies in facts/dates this can be remedied. If synthesis is used as part of a particular grievance the argument can't be included and that particular argument may not be able to be remedied. That way we can clarify inconsistencies (W says A, X says B, Y says C) or early misinformation that is broadly agreed to be false.
- My understanding is that the number of deceased victims is a settled fact, so any early misinformation on that can be remedied.
- WhisperToMe (talk) 20:52, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
I went ahead and got some of the easy stuff taken care of (found that the correct death count was 334 excluding terrorists) and noted that Benalia and Larussi were not named as suspects by the Russian authorities. Khaula Nazirova was removed as I could not verify her placement. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- The correct death count is 333. Никто не забыт (talk) 11:11, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- WaPo stated it was 334 because on woman died from her injuries in 2006, years after the event. Its possible the Russian authorities/Beslan city didn't count her death because she died so long after the event. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:28, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- 333 includes her. News websites throw conflicting numbers at different points in time, but none provide actual lists of names, which would be the only way to verify the correct number of victims. Никто не забыт (talk) 04:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- There is a list of names at Archives de Beslan: 186 children, 133 adult hostages (1 adult hostage, Elena Sergeevna Bekuzarova was mistakenly put in the child list so I moved her over), 10 special forces and 2 non-hostage civilians (grouped w/ special forces) adds up to 331. However the librarian who died in December 2006 from a hematoma, Yelena Avdonina, is not listed there. WaPo says two hostages died in 2005 and one died in August 2006 (the article doesn't say who these hostages are).
- Determining the number of deaths in an incident/accident can be tricky; many aviation accident reports have classified people as being "injured" instead of "killed", even though they later died, because they died over one month or over one year after the accident.
- WhisperToMe (talk) 07:41, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- 333 includes her. News websites throw conflicting numbers at different points in time, but none provide actual lists of names, which would be the only way to verify the correct number of victims. Никто не забыт (talk) 04:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- WaPo stated it was 334 because on woman died from her injuries in 2006, years after the event. Its possible the Russian authorities/Beslan city didn't count her death because she died so long after the event. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:28, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- The correct death count is 333. Никто не забыт (talk) 11:11, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
@Arbeite19: I thought about the "A says X, B says Y format" and it can be used with the Savelyev minority report too. Savelyev says A, journalist/official says B. I do think Torshin should in general get more weight (meaning more coverage in the article) than Savelyev since Torshin was the majority report (meaning the report supported by the majority of the Russian Duma). When collecting Russian language news reports that contradict Savelyev it may be good to quote the relevant passages so editors know which original passages are being referred to. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
- @WhisperToMe: Yeah, I think that is the right way to go about it. Thank you again, by the way, for your edits in the main article: it feels so good not to see this ridiculous "385" figure there anymore.
- There's another Russian source you can use:http://www.pravdabeslana.ru/zakluchenie.htm It contains lots of information on the storming, what Special Forces assault teams did etc. It further confirms (along with Torshin's report) that there were 10 casualties among the Federal Security Service officers who participated in the operation, with descriptions of the exact details of their deaths provided. Right now, the article on the Beslan attack states that "It is not known how many members of Russia's special forces died in the fighting", while citing 2 Western newspaper articles from September 2004 and another one from August 2005 (where the journalist, I suppose, just used the figure published right after the attack). Different numbers reported in the immediate aftermath of the Beslan massacre cannot be used as a basis for such a conclusion (that "it is unknown how many members of Special Forces died") as there's, naturally, a lot of initial confusion, rumors surrounding events like this. By the same token, I can open the article on the Sandy Hook Massacre and write something along the lines of "it is not known how many people were killed by Adam Lanza as figures reported ranged from [insert different figures out of newspaper reports from 14—15 December 2012 here], but there are 26 names inscribed on the "Rock of Angels" monument".
- A remark about the absence of exact information on the number of casualties would have been justified if there were serious controversies in the media, with journalists discussing why such and such FSB officers were absent from the official list, but there were none. Even an anti-government "Novaya Gazeta" didn't question that number. Arbeite19 (talk) 07:45, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Arbeite19: You're welcome! I looked at the "Special Forces" stuff and revised it to the final tally. I agree that there doesn't seem to be any controversy with that.
- As for "Заключение комплексной криминалистической (ситуационной) экспертизы по действия оперативного штаба по управлению контртеррористической операцией 1-3 сентября 2004 г. в г.Беслане" - Thanks for linking this document! I wonder if it was ever hosted on a government server.
- WhisperToMe (talk) 17:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- @WhisperToMe: It was hosted on the official website of the Russian Prosecutor-General's Office:http://genproc.gov.ru/smi/news/genproc/news-68709/ , but the link is dead, unfortunately, and I can't find an archived copy anywhere:(.
- Arbeite19 (talk) 17:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Arbeite19: It might help to e-mail the webmaster and tell him/her the link to http://www.genproc.gov.ru/img/uploaded/zakluchenie_27.12.doc is broken. Hopefully that will help! WhisperToMe (talk) 18:36, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Persecution of Eastern Orthodox Christians listed at Requested moves
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Naliboki massacre and Koniuchy massacre -- Russian sources
Both articles at present mainly cover the modern Polish view that these were massacres against civilians (who were merely armed for "self defense" against "marauding bandits"). Soviet partisan accounts differ markedly (describing raids against armed garrisons that collaborated with the Nazies and were hostile to the partisans), e.g. this after action report for Naliboki - [36]. I would appreciate if someone could attempt to locate Russian sources on the same battles - which are a bit more obscure than the Polish sources - as these were minor engagements in partisan history, whereas modern Polish historiography has framed these as part of "crimes against the Polish nation" portraying them as massacres of hapless civilians.Icewhiz (talk) 07:12, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Monitor and cleanup needed at Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal
I have begun some initial work on improving this article, it has a few wording and NPOV issues at this stage. Any assistance/eyeballs would be good. AusLondonder (talk) 14:14, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi! I participate in AfC on English Wikipedia. References for this draft are in Russian language. Please see if someone with good command over Russian and English language can help reviewing it. Thanks! Dial911 (talk) 06:58, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Russian for Law Against Rehabilitation of Nazism
I created an article about Law Against Rehabilitation of Nazism, but I cannot find it's name in Russian. Perhaps it has a page on ru wiki we can interwiki link? And is there a page with the official text of the law? English translation would be a bonus. It would be good to link it from external links. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:41, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
- Its name is imperceptible: Федеральный закон от 05.05.2014 г. № 128-ФЗ О внесении изменений в отдельные законодательные акты Российской Федерации. --FITY CHANGE (talk) 16:16, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Title: "Slavic paganism" or "Slavic religion"?
More opinions needed in this discussion.--Eckhardt Etheling (talk) 07:36, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Напишите статью, пожалуйста--Станислав Савченко (talk) 03:27, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
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Vaaju
I've been working on Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan, a painting in the news recently due to vandalism. Quite naturally most sources are Russian, and even the French language version of the article uses predominantly Russian sources. Any additions would be welcome, but I have what I hope is a simple question: is Vaaju a reliable source? I have found this article which may be useful but I'm reluctant to use it as a source until I'm sure that it's any good. Regards, violet/riga [talk] 20:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
This draft is liable to be deleted for lack of editing activity. Should it be moved to mainspace? Anyone want to help improve it? Calliopejen1 (talk) 03:35, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- I will have a look, thanks for the notification.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:35, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Want to add info to a an article, but don't know how thus I don't want to mess it up!
I wanted to add some context to the "two finger" vs "three finger" thing on the "Raskolniki"/ Old Believers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers article, but I don't know how to edit WIki pages. I have some genuine material for this, and this point is entirely missing from the article. Can somebody help me edit that article? I really want to set the record straight! thank you Sveta — Preceding unsigned comment added by SV1005 (talk • contribs) 06:14, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Grand Duchesss Anastasia Article
Hello,
There's a dispute about Anastasia's nickname "shvybzik" on Talk:Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna of Russia. A source claims that is a German colloquialism. My understanding is that the word is Russian for something like "imp." I was wondering if any of you Russian experts might be able to help on the issue, or at least explain how this word that does not exist in German can be a German colloquialism. Thanks!--Ermenrich (talk) 17:38, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- I do not think this word exists in Russian. I am a native Russian speaker.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:45, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- My wife (also native speaker) knew the word, though she says it obviously isn't Russian originally. It's obviously not a German word though, which is the alternative claim.--Ermenrich (talk) 23:47, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
The territory of....
.....Cumania plays a big role in Russian ethnicity, Russian cossack traditions and of many ethnic groups in Volga, Ural and Mos(k)calina regions. It reached till the Ural. Lot's of the vast Russian territory is still unexplored. Cumania--92.202.208.5 (talk) 04:30, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
A discussion regarding the English transliteration of this newspaper's name is currently active at Talk:Moskovskiy Komsomolets#Requested move 14 July 2018. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:35, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Cyrillic advice merge
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Draft:Nikolay Antipov was on the verge of G13 deletion, but the man is obviously notable. It looks like a machine translation of ru:Антипов, Николай Кириллович. Can anyone help with copyediting and adding a few sources? Thanks! Sam Sailor 19:36, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- I can do it but only I am back to normal regime in two weeks (and hopefully will not forget)--Ymblanter (talk) 09:40, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Move discussion, Talk:MR-443 Grach
There are some sources in Russian being presented at Talk:MR-443 Grach in support of a move to MP-443 Grach; this move would also cause other page titles to change. Would it be possible for someone to verify the reliability of the sources being cited? I don't think any of the administrators who normally close discussions at Wikipedia:Requested moves are fluent in Russian. Dekimasuよ! 17:55, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I will have a lok next week if still needed at that point.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:46, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Tsarevna Anna Mikhailovna of Russia
There's a discussion at Talk:Tsarevna Anna Mikhailovna of Russia#Requested move 1 August 2018 at which I'd appreciate input. TIA Andrewa (talk) 19:11, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Error in Russian & English article for the Gaysky district in Orenburg Oblast
There is something wrong on these pages:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaysky_District
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD
It is not clear where this area belongs to:
.
This picture (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gaysky_District,_within_Orenburg_Oblast.png) and this picture (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%9E%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8.jpg) say that the "tongue area" on the top right of the raion (including the settlement Mirny, Ми́рный) belong to the raion; but the linked GPS coordinates at the top of the page (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD#/maplink/0) say that the "tongue area" (including the settlement Mirny, Ми́рный) does NOT belong to the Gaysky raion. To which raion does the Mirny settlement in the Orenburg region belong? C-Kobold (talk) 15:46, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- I am not exactly sure what is going on, but there is no city of Mirny in Orenburg Oblast. There are two rural localities with this name, one belongs to Alexandrovsky District, another one to the city of Orsk.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- @C-Kobold:, Indeed, Yandex Maps state that the settlement of Mirny you mention belongs to the city of Orsk.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:12, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick answer, research and explanation! When I have some time (tomorrow maybe), I will correct the two pictures. C-Kobold (talk) 18:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. This map can help to understand the borders.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:37, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick answer, research and explanation! When I have some time (tomorrow maybe), I will correct the two pictures. C-Kobold (talk) 18:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- @C-Kobold:, Indeed, Yandex Maps state that the settlement of Mirny you mention belongs to the city of Orsk.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:12, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Da Vinci Learning?
Hi,
I work for Da Vinci Media, the company that runs Da Vinci Learning and all subsidiaries. I was wondering why this is in the Project Russia project?
-Gareth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garethdavinci (talk • contribs) 10:47, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Occurrence of "Tatar" in India
Persian Literature in Translation mentions Tatars accompanying Timur into Delhi. In the Badaun district of U.P. India, there is a village by the name of Tatarganj, which corresponds to "Tatargrad" or "Tatarsettlement". A distant cousin's wife from that area told me that she was "Pathan Tatar", a term that I had never heard before. She explained that they were Khiljis. The Khiljis are considered a Turkic people by historians. They preceded the emergence of the Mongols. In Afghanistan they are considered Pushtun & are called Ghilzai. The Ghilzai sub-tribes include the Suri, Ghorid dynasty (who are Suri), Lodhi, Niazi & Hotaki, among others. (Though one of the Hazara tribes in Afghanistan are called Khilji). They are linked with the Buddhist Turki Shahi that ruled Kabul & are said to have arrived from Tibet, yet are also linked with the Xiongnu and the Huns. --Jafferfj (talk) 02:24, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Splitting a huge navbox
Interested editors are invited to comment on the proposal I made there: Template talk:Ukrainian crisis navbox#Split navbox. — JFG talk 20:11, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Kalina / Kalinka...
....is a national symbol of Russia. You should have this under your scope too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viburnum_opulus --85.212.242.119 (talk) 22:15, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Review of Irakli Tsereteli
Hello, I recently had the article Irakli Tsereteli up at FAC, and it didn't pass mainly due to lack of reviews. It was suggested before I resubmit to have someone go over it outside the FAC process, so I'm wondering if anyone here is willing to do so? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. Kaiser matias (talk) 16:58, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
IB Russian inhabited locality replacement
I created a new version of {{Infobox Russian inhabited locality}} based on Infobox settlement (test cases found here); feedback and comments on the template's talk page would be most welcome.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 07:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, but we already have {{Infobox Russian rural locality}} and {{Infobox Russian town}} and {{Infobox Russian urban-type settlement}} which cover all possible varieties.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:30, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Russian museums on the List of music museums
Hi there, I have introduced the List of music museums and quite some Russian articles do have an article in Russian but not in English. Are there users at this project that like to write some or all of these articles? When you make use of references, I will translate these articles to Dutch language too. :-) Ymnes (talk) 13:52, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Help with Russian language sources
Hi could a Russian language speaker help analyse the sources on Taz language. It is spoken by less than 300 people and I can't tell if it was really a language or not at one point and if the sources point to notability or not. --Dom from Paris (talk) 17:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- Ethnic.ru refers back to the Russian Wikipedia and therefore is not a reliable source.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:42, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Souces in Russian Language waiting to be verified and reviewed in the Draft:House Kuadzhe
Greetings, I have been editing and improving my article for two months now. I have been told that the style of the article is okay by the online English help but they could not verify my sources since they are not in English. Can you help me? Yahya Kuadzhe (talk) 20:29, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
RfC on election/referendum naming format
An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation)#Proposed change to election/referendum naming format. Cheers, Number 57 15:39, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Featured quality source review RFC
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:47, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Discussion about the title of the article Kaliningrad question
There is a discussion about whether/what to retitle the article currently tiled Kaliningrad question. Please chime in on the article's talk page.
SecretName101 (talk) 18:22, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Great power article: Map
Following quite nasty edit-war, I started discussion on the Great Power article talk page about map in the article. Main topics for discussion: What countries should be on the map? Should the map show some sort of hierarchy of great powers (eg. using colours)? Would not be better to remove the map altogether? So far, only IPs and new accounts entered this discussion, so input from experienced editors would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Pavlor (talk) 08:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Autocrat of All the Russias?
An editor, Happyturkeyday (talk), is changing the succession parameters entries in articles of Russian emperors to include "Autocrat of All the Russias". Should the parameter text be left as it was before or should this change stay? --Thinker78 (talk) 06:50, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- There was indeed smth like this in the title (I am not sure this is a precise translation, but not too far from the correct one), but all monarchs have a bunch of titles, which we typically do not add to the infobox.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:55, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Help with draft
Could Draft:Skorobogatov German Alexanderovich possibly by sourced to meet our notability guidelines? Any comments on the draft are also welcomed. Please use either Yet Another Articles for Creation Helper Script by enabling Preferences → Gadgets → Editing → Yet Another AFC Helper Script, or use {{afc comment|Your comment here. ~~~~}}
directly in the draft. Thank you. Sam Sailor 12:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Sámi vs. Sami vs. Saami
Please see: Talk:Kildin Sami orthography#Requested move 21 December 2018 – multi-page RM primarily about diacritics in an endonym. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 19:22, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Help at Articles for Creation
Can someone please help at AfC with Draft:Playtronica? Many of the references are in Russian and I do not read the language. If you can let me know if the ones used meet guidelines for notability I would appreciate it. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:32, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
- CNMall41 You can also try using Chrome which has a translation tool. Thinker78 (talk) 05:20, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Thinker78. I normally do that do ensure that the references contain the content they are used to reference; however, I would not be able to evaluate any of these references to know if they are actually reliable either. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- @CNMall41: Ref. 12 (Afisha Daily) is clearly reliable and describes the startup in some depth, not merely mention it.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Ymblanter. If there is at least one more like that I will move it to the main space. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:13, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- All other Russian sources in the article are news items on websites of commercial companies - they are probably taken from elsewhere, but the source of this elsewhere is unclear. However, Ref. 4 looks fine to me. If I saw that as a new page patroller I would probably leave the page in the article space.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:18, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Ymblanter. If there is at least one more like that I will move it to the main space. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:13, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- @CNMall41: Ref. 12 (Afisha Daily) is clearly reliable and describes the startup in some depth, not merely mention it.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:54, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Thinker78. I normally do that do ensure that the references contain the content they are used to reference; however, I would not be able to evaluate any of these references to know if they are actually reliable either. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Suicide Rates in Russia in 2016
According to this WHO Report[1] the rates of suicide in Russia in 2016 (and 2015) are much more than the ones mentioned in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.69.98.27 (talk) 21:26, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Discover the world. Start with the sister cities
Dear friends and colleagues,
We invite you to take part in the international contest “Learn the world. Start with twin cities” which is held from 1 November 2018 to 1 March 2019 and is organized by “Wikimedia RU” together with partners. Web page of the contest: "Discover the world. Start with the sister cities The purpose of this thematic marathon contest is to create articles in all languages of the world about the sights of cities and regions of Russia and their foreign sister and partner territories. Twin cities and partner territories are territories which have permanent friendly relations for mutual acquaintance with life, history and culture of each other.
Winners of the contest will receive prizes regardless of their citizenship and location anywhere in the world! JukoFF (talk) 18:51, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Russian Federation anthem lyrics been messed up
https://postimg.cc/CnN1LH30 This is most likely a troll edit, as I cannot see any known source for "da wae" other than Ugandan Knuckles. VV ORIGINAL LYRICS VV Russia – our holy nation Russia – our beloved country. A mighty will, great glory – These are yours for all time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:446:4301:15BA:AD48:CF24:4A94:3113 (talk) 02:29, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Is Draft:Bednot groups a notable topic?
Russia experts, could one of you weigh in on if Draft:Bednot groups is a notable topic? Or if it should be rolled in with another article? --Cerebellum (talk) 00:31, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Oldest template red links
The oldest template red links in Wikipedia include two links in Template:Russian music -> Music of Chechnya and Music of Dagestan. These have been red links since 2005. Does anyone want to tackle these articles? bd2412 T 00:03, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Nomination of Portal:Russian Empire for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Russian Empire is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Russian Empire until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 07:12, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
A bit of edit warring going on in this article, if anyone would like to take a look. See talkpage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:42, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, 'cause god forbid somebody remove poorly translated content unsourced copied from Russian Wikipedia. Oh, wait, that stuff isn't supposed to be in Wikipedia.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 15:10, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Nomination of Portal:Abkhazia for deletion
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Nomination of Portal:Crimea for deletion
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The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Crimea until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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Nomination of Portal:Saint Petersburg for deletion (2nd nomination)
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Saint Petersburg is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Saint Petersburg (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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RT
Hello. You are invited to participate in two related RfCs: Talk:5G#RfC:Russian disinformation and Talk:RT (TV network)#RfC:Propaganda. R2 (bleep) 18:26, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Discussion on notability of Aluminum internal combustion engine on the reliable sources noticeboard
There is a discussion on the notability of the Aluminum internal combustion engine on the reliable sources noticeboard. The discussion involves the reliability of Russian news sources, including TASS. If you're interested, please participate at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § Reliability of (mostly) Russian news sources for an engineering breakthrough in Russia. — Newslinger talk 06:02, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Konstantsiya Royek (Frantsevna)
Is it possible to translate the Russian Wikipedia article on K.F. Royek to English? If one manages to create an article, would it be possible to place it under the category of "Russian People of Polish descent?" http://sputnikimages.com/hier_rubric/photo/577464.html [2][3] [4]
She was a famous and noteworthy theater (theatre) actress of the Little Theater in Moscow and she had a leading role in the 1957 Mosfilm adaptation of Pygmalion by George Bernard Shaw and adapted for television. IT was a made-for-television movie made in the Soviet Union.
She was noteworthy for her many theater performances and was People's Artist of the RSFSR, which became Russia and was Russia under official Soviet nomenclature. Her father was of Polish descent and she was born in Moscow on July 7, 1923. Patchman123 (talk) 05:36, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
She was related to me through Anton Royek and distantly related as a cousin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patchman123 (talk • contribs) 05:37, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- ^ http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE?lang=en
- ^ https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA,_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0
- ^ http://sputnikimages.com/hier_rubric/photo/577464.html
- ^ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5410851/
Внешэкономбанк → ВЭБ.РФ ?
See Talk:Vnesheconombank#Rename. Uncle G (talk) 21:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
RM of interest
A request to re-title an article which may be of interest to members of this project is here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Guschanskaja
Help with identifying a Russian taxonomist, whose name is transliterated in scientific literature as "Guschanskaja", is needed at wikispecies:Wikispecies:Village Pump#Guschanskaja. Can anyone oblige, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- What we do have is now at wikispecies:L.Kh. Guschanskaja and L.Kh. Guschanskaja (Q66724832). We stil need a full name, affiliation and identifiers (VIAF, ISNI, etc.) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Discussion of interest
A discussion which may be of interest to members of this project can be found here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:39, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Geydar Dzhemal's article
I've made a few edits on Geydar Dzhemal's article to try and bring it to Wikipedia standards, but not being an expert in the area at all I'm not sure how helpful I've been. The article needs some serious rewriting and citations to be found for the text (perhaps the corresponding Russian Wikipedia article would help?). Thanks! --Bangalamania (talk) 19:44, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Discussion of interest
A discussion which may be of interest to members of this project can be found on the talk page of Komunarka shooting ground. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:18, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Call for portal maintainers
Are there any editors from this WikiProject willing to maintain Portal:Russia and/or Portal:Soviet Union? The Portals guideline requires that portals be maintained, and as a result numerous portals have been recently been deleted via MfD largely because of lack of maintenance. Let me know either way, and thanks, UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:20, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Undeletion of article - American who received Russian political asylum: John Mark Dougan
I created
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2019_October_22
I am new to this process but from what I have seen it seems difficult to undelete an article. Any help that you can alk provide would be most helpful!
Moscowdreams (talk) 07:36, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.
We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Becoming a member?
I like Russian history and current events and would like to be a member of this project. What needs to be done for me to be added? Спасибо. --Moscowdreams (talk) 22:35, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
- You are welcome. You can use the name to the project pager, otherwise the project is essentially dormant. If you just add this page on the watchlist in order to not miss discussions which can develop here, this would be already great.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks! :) --Moscowdreams (talk) 19:20, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Volunteers (1958 film) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Please check edit history of the article. It seems to me that it's been the place for persistent vandalism. Thank you. --VLu (talk) 18:21, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Home Army Request for Comments: German casualties
Talk:Home Army/Archive 6#Request for Comments: German casualties: watchers here may comment.--JoeZ451 (talk) 16:30, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Ivan the Terrible and chess
Hi, someone inserted the lazy claim into the History of chess article that Ivan IV banned chess. When I looked into it, it was much more complicated than that. It's got something to do with the Stoglav, which basically banned games or anything fun. Was the Stoglav the law of the land in Russia, or did it only apply to the clergy? How strictly was it enforced? Would a serf be hauled before an ecclesiastical court for having a dance? What was Ivan's relationship to the Church, the Church's relationship to the State etc? What were the sources of law under the Tsardom? Clearly Ivan didn't think the prohibition on games applied to him since he famously died while playing chess. Anyway I posted a few thoughts at Talk:History of chess, help from anyone with specialist knowledge of Russian history would be appreciated. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 01:52, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Possible hoax at Soyombo Revival Society
Howdy hello folks! I recently stumbled across Soyombo Revival Society, which is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soyombo Revival Society, and concerns were raised that it might be a hoax. The page claims it was a Mongol society of Russian white emigres who were fighting communism in the 30's and 40's. While its not explicitly under WikiProject Russia, I'm hoping you folks can provide some expertise. The sourcing is very poor, most of the sources are in Russian and inaccessible. Some help in determining whether or not this is a hoax, or just a real organization that wasn't widely known, would be top. Smooth sailing, CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I just submitted an article for Russian artist Karina Eibatova, and it could use with further feedback and expansion. For example, possibly a more fleshed-out "Selected works" section, and fuller "Work" section, detailing some of her commissioned and published works. Any help appreciated; thanks. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 06:44, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
PS: I fully intend on continuing to maintain and potentially add information to this page myself. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 06:45, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Discussion about use of non-reliable sourcing at Sukhoi Su-35 - a GA
Please see the discussion Talk:Sukhoi_Su-35#Unreliable_sourcing.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Corrections at Wheely article
Hello! My name is Elena and I work for Wheely (I've disclosed this on my talk page and the article's talk page), which operates in Russia, London and Paris. I've suggested a couple corrections at Talk:Wheely for editor review, including one to change the currently incorrect description of the company being a "carpool service" (which is not true). So far the page remains incorrect despite asking for help at WikiProject Companies and WikiProject Transit. Is someone here at WikiProject Russia able to help with these corrections? Thanks. Elena Wheely (talk) 10:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Draft page about Vasily Stavitsky
Hi! I've edited a draft page about Vasily Stavitsky, a Russian author and a former head of the FSB public relations centre. Just wanted to share it with the community, so that the article could be further improved and hopefully moved to the main space. --Document hippo (talk) 12:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Featured article review of Katyn massacre
I have nominated Katyn massacre for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Eisfbnore (会話) 07:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Move discussion relisted
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Yakuts#Requested move 19 April 2020, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:14, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Orphan
While hunting for CS1 errors I encountered this orphan article tagged as of interest to this WikiProject. I cleaned some cite template errors, removed references/citations linked to Google Docs, email attachments, Google Drive, and one blacklisted site. I am not a subject matter expert nor do I understand Russian. Perhaps someone here is and does.
—¿philoserf? (talk) 22:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Can someone proficient in Russian please review this draft properly? 2 of the sources are in Russian, and this person is from Russia. Thanks! Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 11:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Could anyone provide feedback on this draft? Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:01, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Article titles for rivers in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus
You are invited to participate in the discussion about article titles for rivers in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus at WT:RIVERS#Article titles for rivers in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Markussep Talk 14:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- The conclusion of the discussion is that articles about rivers in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus should be titled "X" if they're the only or primary topic (for example Volga, Yenisei, Irtysh, Berezina) and "X (river)" if disambiguation is needed and they are not obviously the primary topic (for example Kostroma (river), Don (river), Pripyat (river)). If there are more rivers with the same name, parentheses will be used for disambiguation, see WP:NCRIVER. I will start moving articles soon. Markussep Talk 08:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Displaying Russian names as footnotes in former Soviet Union locations?
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Soviet_Union#Display_Russian_names_in_footnotes_of_locations_in_the_former_Soviet_Union? for a discussion on whether the Russian names should be put in footnotes in articles about former Soviet Union locations (which existed at the time of the Soviet Union) WhisperToMe (talk) 08:29, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
How to improve the “Arzamas” article?
Here is the article (currently a draft): Draft:Arzamas (website). What do you think about it? Do you know any sources in English to use for it?--DonGuess (talk) 22:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Reliability of rbc.ru
Input is requested at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Rbc.ru_and_rbc.ua. Thanks! buidhe 07:36, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Mikhail Konstantinovich Kudryavtsev
Hello! We have an article on Mikhail Konstantinovich Kudryavtsev, and it is within the scope of this Wikiproject. Kindly assess the article on the project's quality and importance scale. Suggestions for improvements would be highly appreciated. Looking forward to see you guyz on the article's talk page )) Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 21:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Reviewers are requested again to conduct a review. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 14:56, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
эксцентричность и круглые шляпы
If there are any native speakers on the project who are willing to help, would one mind looking at my request here and seeing what they think? Take care all! ——Serial # 16:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- No, there is nothing in the article about the subject.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Battle of Moscow FAR
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Anton Chekhov for FAR
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One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!
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Editor Needs Help in Russian
A new editor is trying to write articles on professors in the Udmurt Republic, which appears to be a region in the Russian Federation, but needs help. The editor is Konutka. There are a few problems with their submissions. First, they are entering their names as last name comma first name patronymic, rather than first name patronymic last name. This is meant to be helpful but is not helpful. Second, they are submitting multiple copies, and continuing to submit the same article twice. Third, their English is not very good. They clearly are trying to contribute, but they need help, probably from someone who can advice them in their first language, which is probably Russian. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:43, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
David Dragunsky
Hey, David Dragunsky requires translating (or at least citing) from Russian. Would anyone be willing to do this? e.g. it states that in 1977 he was designated as the chair of the Anti-Zionist Committee of the Soviet Public, but that only came to existence in 1983? Thanks Nicnotesay hello!contribs 16:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- It was 1983--Ymblanter (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Spelling of Russian names from countries where ortography differs from English?
There's been some back-and-forth editing on the article MV-media (a Finnish fake news website) over whether the name of the now late founder should be spelled Ilja Janitskin (Finnish ortography) or Ilya Yanitskin (English ortography) – can someone more knowledgeable about this kind of stuff chime in on this to put the matter to rest? --Prospero One (talk) 08:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Discussion of blacklisted source that may be of interest
This discussion about the deprecation and blacklisting of the media outlet 112 Ukraine may be of interest. Jlevi (talk) 12:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Could anyone help to add sources to this article? Or alternately, should this article be accepted even though it is unreferenced? Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:54, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Women in Red Asian women contest
From 1 October to 31 December, Women in Red is running a virtual contest on Asian women. In November, this will coincide with Wikipedia Asian Month. We look forward to strong participation from all those interested in improving coverage of women from the Asian regions of Russia.--Ipigott (talk) 16:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
On-going anti-LGBTQ purges and censorship in the List of people from Ukraine
A clique of editors seem to be implementing a purge of any mentionings of notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and LGBTQ activism in Ukraine.
In particular, the corresponding section in the List of people from Ukraine listing notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and Ukrainian LGBTQ activists with Wikipedia pages, has been first censored and then completely purged by this clique of editors, under the obviously false pretext of such entries in the list being "unecyclopedic"(!).
Please review the following revision history, between July 27 and July 29, 2020 , https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_people_from_Ukraine&action=history .
The purged list of notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and Ukrainian LGBTQ activists is as follows:
LGBTQ Ukrainians, pro-European and pro-Western LGBTQ Ukrainian activists
- Bogdan Globa
- Mike Enzi – US Senator from Wyoming
- Maurice Hinchey – former New York Congressman (Ukrainian mother)[1]
- Volodymyr Horowitz
- Olha Kobylianska
- Alla Nazimiv - US Ukrainian actress, also known as an active member of the Hollywood LGBTQ community
- Anna Sharyhina - influential Ukrainian lesbian, LGBTQ leader
- Stav Strashko - distinguished Ukrainian Israeli transgender actress, passionate advocate of transgender lifestyle in Ukraine
- Edward Tarletski - Belarusian-Ukrainian LGBTQ activist
Please help to monitor and report the disruptive anti-LGBTQ editors and please help to edit List of people from Ukraine so that it objectively reflects the role of the LGBTQ people in the past, current and future Ukrainian politics, life, arts and science! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/2601:646:8500:2DD0:C5D3:FEA3:9F2F:EBCC 1 August 2020
- Dear 2601:646:8500:2DD0:C5D3:FEA3:9F2F:EBCC, Ukraine is not a part of Russia..... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:45, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Spelling of Kyiv
There’s a broad conversation about using different spellings of Kyiv in article titles in certain subjects, at talk:Kyiv#Related articles. This may affect some guidelines. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:30, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Kyiv terms in Russian articles
Just and FYI, there is an RfC on the term Kyiv/Kiev at Territorial evolution of Russia. If interested please join in. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
A user posted at the Help Desk that the university is now called Yuri Gagarin State Technical University of Saratov. Since the talk page does not appear very active, I ask here if the article should be moved to that title. —teb728 t c 09:57, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, this is correct, it was given Gagarin's name in 2011.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:26, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Positions on Jerusalem
I added the WikiProject's template to the talk page of Positions on Jerusalem but it was removed. I think that it's on the scope of the project because it has a section on the position of Russia. Do you think that it should be re-added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rupert loup (talk • contribs) 23:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Adding more relevant information
Focus on the different types of work that this political affiliation does. What are your missions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Environmentalist101 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Notice of RFC at Category:Communism
Your participation is invited at Category talk:Communism § Categorization of Communism, Totalitarianism, Authoritarianism. Thanks, Lev!vich 03:12, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Noticeboard discussion on reliability of Инфотека 24 (infoteka24.ru)
There is a noticeboard discussion on the reliability of Инфотека 24 infoteka24.ru. If you are interested, please participate at WP:RSN § Infoteka24.ru. — Newslinger talk 08:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- ^ "Hinchey got to Washington via the Thruway". recordonline.com. Retrieved 2016-01-19.[permanent dead link]
LOC footnotes - seeking assistance with low-effort, high-reward project
There are many core articles about Russia and the Soviet Union that incorporate public-domain content (often a LARGE amount of content) from Library of Congress country studies. Instead of having proper citations to this material, they have only a generic {{Loc}} template at the bottom. I am trying to work through these citations to replace them with proper book citations, like the following for Russia/Soviet Union.[1][2][3]
- ^ Curtis, Glenn E., ed. (1998). Russia: a country study (1st ed.). Washington, D.C.: Federal Research Division, Library of Congress. ISBN 0-8444-0866-2. OCLC 36351361. This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain.
{{cite encyclopedia}}
: CS1 maint: postscript (link) - ^ Zickel, Raymond E., ed. (1991). Soviet Union: a country study (2nd ed.). Washington, D.C.: Federal Research Division, Library of Congress. ISBN 0-16-036380-2. OCLC 22911443. This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain.
{{cite encyclopedia}}
: CS1 maint: postscript (link) - ^ "Country Profile: Russia" (PDF). Federal Research Division, Library of Congress. October 2006. Retrieved November 5, 2020. This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain.
{{cite web}}
: CS1 maint: postscript (link)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Library of Congress Country Studies/Reference fixing has a worklist sorted by country (check out both Russia and Soviet Union). This worklist lists articles using the {{Loc}} template, along with an Earwig report comparing each to the text relevant Library of Congress country studies/profiles. With this information, you can add footnotes to the article. Here is an example of one I did.[37] Where a country study (as opposed to short PDF profile) is cited, it is a good practice to add the page numbers to the footnote I supplied above, which can be determined by looking at the earwig report itself. (The number follows the text of the page.) Occasionally it is necessary to revise the article so that it matches what the LOC source says, in case there have been intervening unsourced revisions. Once you have added the footnotes, you may remove the {{Loc}} template. If the earwig report does not find any copying, please let me know and don't just remove the {{Loc}} template. For some of these, there may be a different country study the content is coming from (e.g. Soviet Union country study even though article has Russia title), or some other uncommon situation. Anyways, hoping that one of you might be interested in helping out with this effort. Thanks! Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:33, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Mir, ISS and Gateway task force. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 18:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Help
Dear Ru-native speakers, I'm vocal from India. I would like to request help from Russian editors. I want to expand Yelena Malysheva article but this is not my creation, Sanslogique is creator ! I just want to help notable articles in draft. However, very rare english sources about her and I can't read it in Russian language. So please kindly add some content to meets WP:GNG or WP:ENT. I hope she is clearly notable as a host for the major TV programs in Russia. Most perfect version is on Ru-wikipedia: ru: Малышева, Елена Васильевна Best regards VocalIndia (talk) 16:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- Dear administrator Ymblanter , please kindly help and provide your opinion on this. VocalIndia (talk) 17:02, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- I am not sure what my opinion do you want. Malysheva is notable, but unfortunately I do not have time now to work on the draft.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:06, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- I understand, If you have a free time, please fill in only a few lines that are sufficient for notability. Ymblanter Thank you VocalIndia (talk) 19:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello? the article has been expanded by the original editor. Please help for more work. ThanksVocalIndia (talk) 18:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
FAR for Belarus
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Articles for re-assessment, remove from stub quality
Hi! I'd really appreciate if we could re-asses an article that I just wrote and expanded on a lot. I added about 2000 words to Military commissariat and would love any advice/editing and it would be great to move it off stub class if we can. Thanks Jijiathome (talk) 04:18, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Snezhinsk – Town or City?
Might someone be able to help with this matter: did Snezhinsk become a town or a city in 1957? --papageno (talk) 03:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- In Russia, there is no distinction between towns and cities, these are used interchangeably. Big cities are called cities, small towns are called towns, somewhere around 100K population there is a grey area when both designations are acceptable.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:26, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- Done OK, thanks for the info. The matter is resolved. --papageno (talk) 16:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Russian Academy of Natural Sciences
Please come participate in the discussion at Talk:Russian Academy of Natural Sciences#Dispute over legitimacy. Thank you. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Question about the scope of Category:Armenian emigrants to the United States
On Category talk:Armenian emigrants to the United States there is a question on whether "Armenian emigrants to the United States" should refer to people from the modern polity of Armenia (1918-today) or whether it should include ethnic Armenians of other citizenships (including the Ottoman Empire and the Russian Empire)
I notified this project as this may affect ethnic Armenians who immigrated from the Russian Empire. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Russia–Turkey proxy conflict
I welcome your input at this location: Talk:Russia–Turkey proxy conflict#Move portions to other articles, or what else? --George Ho (talk) 17:34, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Were Russian (Soviet) children kidnapped by the Nazis too?
There have recently been some attempts at rewriting Kidnapping of children by Nazi Germany, and one of the issues is whether the Nazis were kidnapping primarily Polish children, of more general, Slavic (Polish and Soviet). Anyone who is interested in this topic, please consider joining this discussion. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:08, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Demographic history of Russia
I've created the article on the demographic history of Russia. Please review it, I would be grateful for comments, suggestions and additions. Alaexis¿question? 17:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Russian Latin alphabet
Could I have a Russian speaker please take a look at Russian Latin alphabet? I can't really do a review of this since all the sources are Russian. Thanks, Oiyarbepsy (talk) 01:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- The sources are fine, but most of the article is completely unsourced.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:00, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Sergei Bogdan
Would a Russian speaker be able to help out with the native language name of the test pilot Sergei Bogdan? I tried and failed to get it (and some additional sources) from Russian Wikipedia. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 11:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- Сергей Леонидович Богдан, if this is what you mean.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Archival images and copyright
I'm attempting to track down authorship and publication information on a bunch of photos that likely live in Moscow archives, such as File:Kronstadt attack.JPG. Are any page watchers either experts in Russian copyright or in the Moscow area? If so, please {{ping}} me and I'll elaborate further. czar 05:41, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Renewable energy in Russia
Renewable energy in Russia, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Chidgk1 (talk) 12:39, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
RfC on image for Vladimir Putin's article
Hello, there is currently an open RfC regarding what image should be used in the infobox of Vladimir Putin's article, if anyone here would like to add there input. Link to the RfC. Thanks. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 16:16, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Perm Oblast
The Perm Oblast of Russia was the inspiration for the geological Permian Period. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Porter Rockwell (talk • contribs) 20:17, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ Basin and Range, a book by John McPhee, ISBN 0-374-51690, page 114~~~~
Is the Movement Against Illegal Immigration (DPNI) a supremacist organization?
Hi, I would like to share with you this discussion about the banned organization Movement Against Illegal Immigration (DPNI). I reported all the sources, including some RS, of the racist and anti-semitic leader's statements about the White Russia during the demonstrations organized by the DPNI. If you want to contribute to the discussion, it would be interesting.--Mhorg (talk) 21:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- I guess I'll respond here as I partially reverted your changes. You need to find sources that say it's a supremacist organisation, otherwise it's your synthesis which isn't allowed per WP:OR. Note that you absolutely can add all those racist statements made by Belov/Potkin to the articles about DPNI and himself. Alaexis¿question? 21:51, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- In Russia it would usually be characterised as nationalist and (in the official sources after the verdict) extremist. Alaexis¿question? 21:53, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your answer. There is also this "Movement for the Protection of Peoples' Rights" that accuses the DPNI of "promoting racism, anti-Semitism, Nazi ideas". "The St. Petersburg prosecutor's office received a statement recognizing the Movement Against Illegal Migration (DPNI) as an extremist community, and their materials, including the official website and forum, as extremist materials.". Later the DPNI is effectively recognized as "extremist". I think this is also reliable.--Mhorg (talk) 22:33, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- This is something you might consider adding. Though the organisation that accused DPNI (Движения по защите прав народов) is pretty obscure and I can't even find their website, so I can't say if it can be considered reliable. Note that Pravda is the official newspaper of CPRF, so an attribution would probably be helpful. Alaexis¿question? 06:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- I also believe that the DPNI is a supremacist party or movement. But actually there is no trace of a source that speaks clearly about this. Maybe you could find something in Russian, but I think it is also a problem of common words, in Russia no reference is ever made to white supremacism, although the political proposal is the same: that is, that the white / Slavic race is superior. In Europe, something like this would be called "neo-Nazi" and "supremacist". But until you find a source stating that, you can't write that thing.--Darkcloud2222 (talk) 16:19, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I am fighting with a user who accuses me of Sockpuppetry and he\she is making a political war on the Navalny's discussion page. In the next few days I will dedicate myself to this exhausting research in Russian. Thank you again.--Mhorg (talk) 16:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- I also believe that the DPNI is a supremacist party or movement. But actually there is no trace of a source that speaks clearly about this. Maybe you could find something in Russian, but I think it is also a problem of common words, in Russia no reference is ever made to white supremacism, although the political proposal is the same: that is, that the white / Slavic race is superior. In Europe, something like this would be called "neo-Nazi" and "supremacist". But until you find a source stating that, you can't write that thing.--Darkcloud2222 (talk) 16:19, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- This is something you might consider adding. Though the organisation that accused DPNI (Движения по защите прав народов) is pretty obscure and I can't even find their website, so I can't say if it can be considered reliable. Note that Pravda is the official newspaper of CPRF, so an attribution would probably be helpful. Alaexis¿question? 06:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your answer. There is also this "Movement for the Protection of Peoples' Rights" that accuses the DPNI of "promoting racism, anti-Semitism, Nazi ideas". "The St. Petersburg prosecutor's office received a statement recognizing the Movement Against Illegal Migration (DPNI) as an extremist community, and their materials, including the official website and forum, as extremist materials.". Later the DPNI is effectively recognized as "extremist". I think this is also reliable.--Mhorg (talk) 22:33, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- This is a defunct obscure far-right nationalist organization. So what?My very best wishes (talk) 17:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- It played a big role in Russia at that time, we have also other articles linked to the organization (Alexander Potkin, that I would like to expand these days, and the successor Russians_(organization)) and I would like to translate others from the Russian Wikipedia, such as Басманов, Владимир Анатольевич, it is also important because the same leaders, that now are still active: the russian marches continues, for example. I think the Russian nationalist movement is controversial and interesting at the same time, also due to its subversive and antigovernment role.--Mhorg (talk) 19:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- For now I have found the definition of "racist" on a Western RS. Now, however, I have to deal with a discussion on Navalny's page. As soon as I have time I go for Russian sources.--Mhorg (talk) 15:46, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, you are very welcome to expand pages about DPNI and Plotkin. Just remember that convictions by Russian "courts" do not mean much. My very best wishes (talk) 18:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- For now I have found the definition of "racist" on a Western RS. Now, however, I have to deal with a discussion on Navalny's page. As soon as I have time I go for Russian sources.--Mhorg (talk) 15:46, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- It played a big role in Russia at that time, we have also other articles linked to the organization (Alexander Potkin, that I would like to expand these days, and the successor Russians_(organization)) and I would like to translate others from the Russian Wikipedia, such as Басманов, Владимир Анатольевич, it is also important because the same leaders, that now are still active: the russian marches continues, for example. I think the Russian nationalist movement is controversial and interesting at the same time, also due to its subversive and antigovernment role.--Mhorg (talk) 19:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
FAR of St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery
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Requested move at Talk:Dolmens of North Caucasus#Requested move 11 February 2021
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dolmens of North Caucasus#Requested move 11 February 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 18:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Chronos Encyclopedia
Hi Folks!! I'm running an RFC at the reliable sources noticeboard on the Chronos encyclopedia at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Chronos Encyclopeadia. If anybody has any thoughts on it, can they post it please? Here it is: [38]. Apparently it is being used on slightly more than 200 Wikipedia articles. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 11:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
FAR for Amchitka
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Kommersant has an RFC
Kommersant has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 06:29, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Liberal Democratic Party of Russia
There is a currently a discussion at Talk:Liberal Democratic Party of Russia#"Fascism" about whether the party should be characterised as "fascist". Mellk (talk) 12:25, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
That doesn't accurately depict the discussion going on, as that makes it sound like the debate is over the party being exclusively called Fascist. Rather, the debate is actually about whether there is enough reliable academic sources to add Fascism to the list of ideologies of the party in the infobox. Caretaker John (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)Blocked sock. Mellk (talk) 01:59, 12 March 2021 (UTC)- In other words, characterising it as a fascist party. Mellk (talk) 13:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- You even added the category fascist parties, so yes, this is what is seems to be about to you. Mellk (talk) 13:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Excuse me, do not cast aspersions. The category Fascist parties was added as a consensus of editors agreed there was enough reliable sources to add Fascism to the list of party ideologies. If I wanted to exclusively describe the party as fascist, I would have removed all the other ideological positions like ultra-nationalism and statist and just put Fascism. Caretaker John (talk) 13:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)- Take a good read of WP:ASPERSIONS before accusing me of casting them. This is the third time you've improperly accused me of such. Characterising the party as fascist does not mean ultranationalism does not to apply to it or that it is "exclusively" fascist, whatever that means. Also, we are still in the process of establishing consensus. Mellk (talk) 13:47, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- Curiously Caretaker John would rather follow me and argue here over semantics than to respond to me at the mentioned talk page with the discussion. Mellk (talk) 06:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Women in Red Europe contest
After successfully completing our Asia and Africa contests over the past six months, we now welcome contributions to our Women in Europe contest which runs for three separate months from April to June 2021. To qualify for the contest, articles have to contain at least 160 words or 1,000 characters of running text and participants need to be members of Women in Red. We look forward to lots of new biographies of women from Russia.--Ipigott (talk) 06:38, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
FAR notice
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Barnstar
Introducing the Russia Barnstar. Now if any one wants to have a national emblem on the barnstar, save the barnstar and upload your own file. Please do not overwrite mine, thanks. Jerm (talk) 04:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Proposed MoS addition on optional stress marking in Russian, Ukrainian, Japanese, Korean, etc.
Please see: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#RfC?, for a proposal relating to optional characters/marks for indicating vocal stress, used in some foreign languages, include "ruby" characters for Japanese and Korean, and znaki udareniya marks in Ukrainian and Russian. The short version is that, based on a rule already long found in MOS:JAPAN and consonant with WP:NOTDICT policy, MoS would instruct (in MOS:FOREIGN) not to use these marks (primarily intended for pedagogical purposes) except in unusual circumstances, like direct quotation, or discussion of the marks themselves. Target date for implementation is April 21. PS: This does not relate to Vietnamese tone marks. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 19:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Please comment there. Johnbod (talk) 01:13, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Newer discussion at Talk:Second Cold War
Newer discussion: Talk:Second Cold War#Term or event? --George Ho (talk) 15:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Highest railway in Russia?
If you know the answer, make sure to add it to relevant wiki pages, especially to List of highest railways by country. Thanks! Zach (Talk) 21:12, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
FAR for Leonhard Euler
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New Page Patrol
- New Page Patrol needs experienced volunteers
- New Page Patrol is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles, including Russia related articles. We could use a few extra hands on deck if you think you can help.
- Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; Wikipedia needs experienced users to perform this task and there are precious few with the appropriate skills. Even a couple reviews a day can make a huge difference.
- If you would like to join the project and help out, please see the granting conditions and review our instructions page. You can apply for the user-right HERE. --John B123 (talk) 12:51, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
If anyone has information about Alevtina Fedulova, or is knowledgeable about the subject, please could they have a look at the article? --Bangalamania (talk) 12:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- There was no tuition fee in the Soviet Union in the 1950s, which makes the rest of the article not credible since it mainly is based on one source. The subject of the article is real.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:16, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Request for feedback on article
Hi there, hope this is the appropriate place to post this. I'm a student working on the following article, String Quartet No. 10 (Shostakovich), any feedback is much appreciated.
Zawinul lava (talk) 00:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Image discussion at Talk:Second Cold War
I started the following discussion: Talk:Second Cold War#Add lead image? --George Ho (talk) 05:24, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Help with a strange Russian term
Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_March_19#Category:Characters_of_the_Slavic_Cabinet_Mythology. Can someone check if this term is indeed used in Russian, and what does it translate to? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:12, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus: What term? This? "Slavic Cabinet Mythology"? Translated as Slavic Cabinet Mythology. Where Cabinet means - an office or room where a scientist works, for example, a philologist or linguist with paper documents and the like, that is, not a laboratory, but a separate room, for example, in a house. Avedon (talk) 01:08, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- "...it is a fictional mythology, myths that never existed in reality; are "the fruit of mistakes and fantasies" appear in scientific works on Slavic mythology since the 15th century and have become widespread since the 18th century. Cabinet mythology is a methodological scientific myth, the result of a false generalization." Cabinet mythology means that a myth or legend has no source and is completely invented by some people - pseudoscientists or folklorists, etc. - in the office. Avedon (talk) 01:08, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Is there an expert in russian literature who can look into this?
Apparently EN Wikipedia has discovered a play by Leo Tolstoy named The First Distiller. As far as I can see neither Russian nor German Wikipedia have heard of this, The references given are primary sources (an ebook sold on Amazon, a text on wikisource) and an unaccessible 1960 article in an obscure Canadian journal.
To me this all looks like a hoax. But I am by no means an expert on Tolstoy or Russian Literature. Can someone who knows more about the matter look into this? Wefa (talk) 21:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- It seems legit. Its full name is "Первый винокур, или Как чертенок краюшку заслужил" and it's based on Tolstoy's short story wikisource:The_Imp_and_the_Crust. Alaexis¿question? 05:33, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- (ec) The Russian Wikipedia mentions it here, but does not have a separate article. The Russian text is for example here , where it is mentioned that it was included in the Collected Works by Tolstoy. Unless there is a large-scale conspiracy all over the world, the play is probably real.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Lost Russian corvette
Can anyone assist with the identity of a Russian corvette lost at Piraeus in 1876 please. Replies at MILHIST please. Mjroots (talk) 06:38, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
What the heck is this? I did hear about "Belovodye", but who is king Opon/Opona? Lembit Staan (talk) 00:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
OK. I found it. It is " Опонское/опоньское царство", i.e., japonskoye, i.e. "Kingdom of Japan". Can someone make sense of the article, because my knowledge or Russian is not that deep and I dont have Russiaan keybtrd fo do google searcjhes.. Lembit Staan (talk) 00:18, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Soccer player Dmitri Piskunov
I'm wondering if there's a member of WP:RUSSIA who can figure out whether Dmitri Piskunov is the same person as ru:Пискунов, Дмитрий Владимирович or the same person as ru:Пискунов, Дмитрий (футболист, 1962). The English Wikipedia article about Piskunov has a link to the former in the left sidebar, but there's a link to the latter in List of foreign football players in Uzbekistan#Kazakhstan. If the Russian Wikipedia are different articles about two different players named "Dimitri Piskunov", then probably nothing further needs to be done, except perhaps disambiguate the corresponding links for English Wikipedia. If, however, there are two Russian Wikipedia articles about the same "Dimitri Piskunov", then perhaps that needs to be fixed somehow on Russia Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- The d.o.b. is different. and ruwiki is aware of the state, see ru:Пискунов, Дмитрий. enwiki link in Kazakhstan fixed. The second Piskunov probably fails notability for sports (2nd league only), but I am not and expert. Lembit Staan (talk) 05:44, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Nikolai Sinebrychoff
I just created an article about Nikolai Sinebrychoff, only almost sixteen years after it had been requested. JIP | Talk 16:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Great, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:04, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
. Lembit Staan (talk) 22:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Could someone check this please--the final stage of his career seems quite surprising to me--were there other Imperial Generals who did similarly? DGG ( talk ) 03:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Governorate (Russia)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Governorate (Russia). Gott Erhalte Kaiser Franz (talk) 01:39, 7 September 2021 (UTC) ==
Most of the individual pages of each governorate are very terrible as the are basically tiny, unsourced stubs (e.g: Astrakhan Governorate ). If someone could please improve them or at least have suggestions for improvement?. Gott Erhalte Kaiser Franz (talk) 01:39, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- This is part of my workflow, all will be done like Vologda Governorate--Ymblanter (talk) 06:40, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Zavolzhsky
Should Zavolzhsky (rural locality) be merged into Zavolzhsky ? Dr. Vogel (talk) 10:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- No, Zavolzhsky (rural locality) is a set index (where for example redlinks are allowed), and Zavolzhsky is a dab page.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying so quickly! And do you think we actually need the dab page? Right now, we have 2 set indices and a dab page, all about places with exactly the same name. If I as a reader was looking for this, I would find myself looking in 3 different places. Could we perhaps get rid of the dab page and have a single set index? Dr. Vogel (talk) 10:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- No, I do not think they could fit to one page (no common topic) though one can ask Ezhiki who is probably the creator of both set indices.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying so quickly! And do you think we actually need the dab page? Right now, we have 2 set indices and a dab page, all about places with exactly the same name. If I as a reader was looking for this, I would find myself looking in 3 different places. Could we perhaps get rid of the dab page and have a single set index? Dr. Vogel (talk) 10:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Soyuz mission patches
Please see Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Soyuz MS-20 Mission Patch.png -- where it is brought up that most Soyuz mission patches should be deleted from Commons, because they are using the wrong license and would not be compatible with Commons otherwise. -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 04:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
RfC discussion at Talk:Second Cold War (September 2021)
I started an RfC discussion: Talk:Second Cold War#RfC: Use a map, an image, or neither? --George Ho (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Northern Fleet Joint Strategic Command (Russia)#Requested move 16 September 2021
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Northern Fleet Joint Strategic Command (Russia)#Requested move 16 September 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:06, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Help needed from Russian wikipedians, specifically runet and Valknut direct connect software
I am trying to revive this article and I am hitting a roadblock to get more sources. It seems the software was well used in Russian nets because of it's Czech origin. It would be great if someone can find me reliable sources in Russian on this programme. I am also interested in moving it to someone else if they want. Greatder (talk) 12:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Viktor Petrovich Taranovsky
Can anyone help with sourcing for Viktor Petrovich Taranovsky? I’m not sure if I can find anything very reliable. Thanks, Thriley (talk) 23:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Is there a WP preference for transiterating <ь>?
Unicode leaves two options. Should <ь> be preferably transliterated with a prime, <ʹ> ({{softsign}}), or with a combining apostrophe, <ʼ> ({{hamza}})? I'm thinking of cases like astronomical names, where omitting it is not an option. — kwami (talk) 03:28, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- We are using WP:RUS, which leaves ь in the majority of the cases out.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:03, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Volk Han
Doing research on Sambo/Shoot Wrestling legend Volk Han. Russian and Tartar language wikipedia lists the following as Literature: "Магомедов, М. Волк-Хан: борьба продолжается. — М.: МГУК Тип. "Новости", 1998. — 143 с." Sounds like Autobiographical work? I am unable to find this. Does anybody know of this and/or can they find this? -- TrickShotFinn (talk) 16:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Russian or Bulgarian?
Hello!
I wonder if either Russian or Bulgarian language is used for the last inscription on this picture of an Ottoman-era bakery in Istanbul/Constantinople. The caption says that the name is written in Russian, next to Armenian, Ladino (in Hebrew characters), English, Ottoman Turkish and Greek; however I guess that Bulgarian would have been more likely in this era. My knowledge of either language, and of the evolution of spelling since the early 20th century does not allow me to tell the difference. The sign seems to read: "Американска? пекарня". All help welcome! Place Clichy (talk) 16:21, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Американская пекарня is proper Russian, no idea if Bulgarian would be identical.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:16, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Also, it would be strange to me if anything could be written in Armenian in Istanbul in 1922. May be the date is off?--Ymblanter (talk) 17:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- wikt:bakery#Translations and wikt:американски#Declension tell us that the Bulgarian equivalent would be америка́нска пека́рна, but I am unable to tell if the difference in spelling could come from either an evolution of the language or a possible spelling mistake. Bulgarians were a sizeable community in Ottoman-era Constantinople, like Greeks, Armenians and Jews, whose languages are also used in this bakery's sign, but as far as I know Russians were not.
- The original source (from a Library of Congress collection) mentions a date of creation/publication in June 1922. Photographer Frank G. Carpenter's own article mentions that
he has been noted for his 1922 study of the regeneration of Europe after WWI
. The picture therefore probably dates from the time of the occupation of Constantinople by Allied forces (1918-1923), before the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, a time in which Constantinople kept its cosmopolitan character. The sign of the bakery may also be much older than the picture itself, even if it was taken in 1918-22. I'm therefore not surprised by the Armenian sign. (Also asked on WT:BG.) Place Clichy (talk) 09:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)- There were lots of Russian refugees in Constantinople at that time following the Evacuation of the Crimea. Alaexis¿question? 21:25, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Party of Return to Serfdom/Krepostniki
I've stumbled upon the article Party of Return to Serfdom which contains a few factoids about Krepostniki (крепостники) who, of course, weren't a proper political party but rather a loose political faction. I've renamed it to Krepostniki as this term is used sometimes in English-language sources and it doesn't mislead the reader. Would be happy to hear other editor's opinions on whether the article should exist and if yes what its scope should be. Alaexis¿question? 21:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Rename articles about uezds for consistency
I’m proposing renaming every article in the form of, for example, Akhtyrka Uyezd → Akhtyrka Uezd, to match the spelling of the renamed main article Uezd. Please discuss at talk:Uezd#Rename articles about uezds for consistency. —Michael Z. 22:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Request - Protect pages on Russia-related topics
With practically all controversial topics and persons associated with (or in opposition to) Russia, I urge that such pages be protected from anonymous and new-editor edits.
Russian trolls have been wreaking havoc with such articles on Wikipedia for ages, and it must be stopped. I've almost given up on referring to anything Russia-related on Wikipedia because of the apparent likelihood that -- if it's an important topic -- it's sprinkled with (or drowned in) Russian disinformation, with the valid information often corrupted or deleted.
I realize that it may be necessary to allow a certain amount of anonymity to protect Russian dissidents, but perhaps that could be limited to the Talk page, where independent editors can review, comment and critique, and consider for insertion into the article -- and not allowed in the article, itself, except through a known editor's cut-and-paste from the Talk page to the Article.
Please protect this page (and all similar topic pages on Russia and related topics) -- and maybe this part of Wikipedia can be at least half as credible as the rest of it.
~ Penlite (talk) 09:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- We do not protect pages pre-emptively. If there are specific pages being vandalized or otherwise experiencing some disruption, WP:RFPP is the best venue to ask for protection.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Rural localities
There are quite a few new articles being created for rural localities, often with very small populations (<10 people). Kalinin, Kursk Oblast; Tyoply, Kursk Oblast; Nizhneye Bartenevo; and Verkhneye Bartenevo are typical examples. I'm hoping to gain a better understanding of what these places actually are and whether they meet the WP:GEOLAND guideline for notability. I was also wondering if someone familiar with Russian sources could look over the references in these articles. I'm relying on machine translation, but it looks to me like the bulk of them are either automated listings based on government data or directories of railways, postcodes, etc that don't actually mention the locality. Pinging ThWiki1910 who has been creating these and may have some insight. –dlthewave ☎ 21:31, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- All those localities are recognized by the government (and, again, in Easter Europe the idea of incorporated and non-incorporated communities is very different from what you are used to), however, many of those can be redirected to lists (like we have done with List of rural localities in Vologda Oblast). It is much work though, and this is why it has not been followed up for other regions. Just redirecting them to the district articles is likely to be counterproductive. (Not now talking specifically about Kursk Oblast, those contain some non-trivial information).--Ymblanter (talk) 21:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Russian stove: article in great need of rewriting
It seems to be a topic very close to the Russian soul :) In spite of that, it has close to nothing to explain the basic definition and characteristics.
- What is special about it? What makes it a "Russian" stove, beyond the fact that it's been widely used in RU, UKR and Belarus?
- Definition
- History: background and evolution
- Description (systematic, step by step; now it's quite chaotic)
- Basic types
The article is on English Wikipedia, but hardly has any English-language source (2 out of 14). It might not be a Wiki rule, but it certainly would be helpful, to both users and editors. Also:
- Almost all listed references are in Russian (Cyrillic), with no translation. It is totally user-unfriendly and needs to be fixed.
I have translated one –the details of Shkolnik (1988)– using Google Translate, and you know how poor a method that is.
Until yesterday, the lead claimed it to be unique; now the word has been removed until the article can support this with facts based on reliable sources. Shkolnik and the "learnrussianineu" source can help. But careful: what can be OK for internal Russian consumption, might well be unacceptable outside. That harks back to the first question here: how special, how specific/original, and how Russian is it?
In regard to the last point: I know such stoves from Romania, and specifically from Transylvania, a region which has stood mainly under Hungarian and German technological influence. Nobody ever tried to create a "Romanian stove" registered mark out of it, all Eastern European peasant houses had such devices. Or not? I've opened the very first Google hit for Romanian+stove (here). Search for "casă românească tradițională" and tell me how that stove is different from the one in the Russian stove article. You can find another Romanian one here. I'd wish to be able to learn from this article, once it's been fully reworked, how this beautiful and practical East European common heritage came to be, and (if that's the case) how Russians and other Eastern Slavs taught others their self-developed technology. Or alternatively, how all of Eastern Europe learned from, say, the Germans, or anyone else, and combined their local traditions with the imported ideas (Russia, or at least the Rus', starts well before the 15th century, when the "Russian stove" first appears).
Shkolnik, a "science candidate" (Russian term for...?), does build up his article very nicely, in a thorough, academical way, creating a logical structure which should be adapted & adopted for our article as well. Beyond the structure, a summary of the data from that article would enrich this one with almost everything it lacks. Shkolnik offers the historical background, the technical evolution, the latest (Soviet, 1980s) developments and scientific studies on the traditional and the modern improved models. His is a good base to bring this article up to standard, but he's of course a Soviet author writing for a national-minded magazine, that should be filtered out and put into perspective with some more neutral, non-Russian sources, if they are to be found.
Maybe somebody wants to pick up the challenge. I arrived on that page on a tangent, couldn't find the basic info I was looking for, was upset by the overly sentimental but otherwise poor content, and would love to see it fixed. Please ping me when it's done! Thanks. Arminden (talk) 23:24, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Arminden, thanks for bringing it up. Searching for "Russian stove" on Google books I see plenty of English-language accounts (e.g. Food in Russian History and Culture, chapter Stovelore in Russian Folklife and Van Nostrand's Engineering Magazine, Volume 5, The Building Arts of Russia), so I don't think there are notability concerns here. This is not an area that interests me personally, but maybe if you can get hold of one of these books you could improve that article? Alaexis¿question? 07:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Alaexis, thank you, but as I wrote, I have no time or interest to further edit on this topic. I've done my bit, now it's up to others, sorry. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 14:51, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Russia medical cases chart
Other editors might be interested in updating Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Russia medical cases chart. The persons who used to edit the template have very little time nowadays to do updates. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 05:00, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Discussion notification: Anti-Russian violence in Chechnya (1991–1994)
Please be aware of the discussion at Talk:Anti-Russian_violence_in_Chechnya_(1991–1994)#Revisiting_AfD whether this topic warrants an article. Alaexis¿question? 13:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
XXX District? or district?
As far as I can tell by a quick look around, most sources don't capitalize "district" in naming Russian districts (other than the XXX Federal District names). We recently fixed a similar issue for provinces in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand, and are working on fixing the districts there next. Should we include Russia in this? Dicklyon (talk) 04:50, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think we had an RfC at some point which led to capitalized District (it could have been Raion as well, as for example Ukraine is currently using). It is not my priority to find this discussion, but I think another RfC would be needed to decapitalize district. I would personally not do it, there is very little benefit with a lot of time investment.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I saw in archive 1 and we capitalize "Oblast" because this is the general approach taken by our naming conventions, but I can't say I understand the point. I suppose there are naming conventions somewhat I haven't found – the ancient draft at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Russia) doesn't get into capitalization. Anyway, you're right it would be a ton of work, and I've already made too much work for myself recently, so I'll put this idea aside, for now at least. The benefit, as always, would be for capitalization in WP to mean what we say it means. Dicklyon (talk) 23:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- The problem is there are also republics (some like the Chuvash Republic and some like the Republic of Komi) which are same level as oblasts and krais and need to be capitalized anyway, so they whole thing becomes a horrible mess. It is probably easier not to touch it.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- I saw in archive 1 and we capitalize "Oblast" because this is the general approach taken by our naming conventions, but I can't say I understand the point. I suppose there are naming conventions somewhat I haven't found – the ancient draft at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Russia) doesn't get into capitalization. Anyway, you're right it would be a ton of work, and I've already made too much work for myself recently, so I'll put this idea aside, for now at least. The benefit, as always, would be for capitalization in WP to mean what we say it means. Dicklyon (talk) 23:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Discussion about article "Ukrainian crisis"
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Ukrainian crisis#Disambiguate, which is about an article that is within the scope of this WikiProject. --Heanor (talk) 09:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Discussion about a merger Soviet re-occupation of Latvia in 1944 into Soviet occupation of the Baltic states (1944)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Soviet occupation of the Baltic states (1944)#Merger proposal, which is about articles that are within the scope of this WikiProject. --Heanor (talk) 13:57, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Please help me
Greetings,
Hi, I am User:Bookku, my expectations to get expanded Black sea related articles failed miserably. I am expecting and requesting at least some help in expanding the article Draft:List of erstwhile slave trading townships with regions surrounding Black sea. In next steps I wish to have a proper map showing erstwhile slave trading townships across black sea.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 09:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Spelling in History of Kyiv
Please help find consensus at Talk:History of Kyiv#Consistent spelling of the title term in the text. The question is whether the article text should use the spelling from its title. —Michael Z. 16:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Need help to review the awards
Chaitanya Chandra Charan Das (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Please review the awards this person has received and help to assess its relevance with respect to WP:ANYBIO and WP:NAUTHOR. Sources are in Russian. Venkat TL (talk) 05:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Help with sourcing?
I wanted to know if anyone would be willing to look for sourcing for the article Actress (2007 film). Coverage, if it exists enough to establish notability, looks like it will be almost solely in Russian. Given the time period, it's harder to find sourcing that can be translated via Google Translate and I'm not really able to find much. If it's not notable then it's not notable, but either way I'd like it to get a fair shake. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 13:55, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
New Article Richard Lourie, US historian and Russia analyst
Please contribute research and analysis to this new article. Thanks, Jaredscribe (talk) 02:45, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
Maria Lipman: Russian journalist, political scientist, and US—Russia policy expert
Maria Alexandrovna[1] Lipman (Russian: Мария Александровна Липман; born 1952) is a Russian journalist,[2] political scientist[3] and US—Russia policy expert.
New article; please contribute. Thanks, Jaredscribe (talk) 02:45, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
Reliability of a 1944 photo
Could we have some input at File_talk:Aardakh_1944.jpg and Talk:Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush#File:Aardakh_1944.jpg about whether a photo claimed to be from 1944 is actually so? Bondegezou (talk) 09:10, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
New article onTony Wood (historian)
A political writer on russia. His 2018 book, Russia Without Putin: Money, Power and the Myths of the New Cold War
Please research and contribute. Thanks, Jaredscribe (talk) 00:44, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
RfC - Should NATO be displayed in the infobox as a support belligerent providing indirect military aid?
Maxorazon (talk) 09:51, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
What are Russian readers viewing on Wikipedia today?
Other than the Main page, the top 25 articles by page views are almost all about current events; see the table at WP:VPM#What are Russian readers viewing on Wikipedia today?. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:42, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Roskomnadzor
Hi guys, someone is requesting a page move which I think makes sense, but I wanted to check with you. Dr. Vogel (talk) 13:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Done, I moved the article--Ymblanter (talk) 22:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Wikidata based list of Russian TV channels (in a very broad sense)
Since Mass media in Russia task force discussion page leads here, I will post here that for personal interest I created a a list of varieties of TV channels from and about Russian speaking parts of the World. Although only partial list for a specific purpose, this might be useful input for some of the work. --Märt Põder (talk) 07:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Russia in the European energy sector nominated for "in the news" - needs update
I had no idea this article existed until very recently. It could do with some update if you have time:
Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#March_8
Chidgk1 (talk) 06:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
URLs of municipal websites listing schools in Moscow and Saint Petersburg?
I would like to find which URLs on the Moscow or Saint Petersburg municipal websites list the respective schools in those cities. I am interested in making lists like Lists of schools in Shenzhen, divided by district. I'd like to back up the URLs in case they are taken down. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- ru:Список школ Москвы contains the list, which is, as far as I see, up-to-date. The first two links are from the municipal websites, but I can not access either, presumably sanctions-related.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Evgeny Maslin
General Evgeny Maslin has died. He helped secure the nuclear arsenal of the USSR after its breakup. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 18:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Neutral rewrite of Russian Revolution lede is needed
I have tagged the article as violating the policy on WP:neutrality, and have invited other editors who are knowledgeable in the subject matter to affirm or respond. Talk:Russian Revolution § Major Ommissions and Leninist-Bolshevik POV
Suggest that new senior / managing editors may be needed on this article. Regards, Jaredscribe (talk) 06:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
What is happening with Vasyugan Swamp please?
I merged the swamp article into peatland a while ago but I don't understand what 176.59.174.45 is trying to do now. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
New Moscow
I recently created a draft for New Moscow. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 00:19, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Women in Red translation contest: April to June 2022
At the beginning of April, WikiProject Women in Red is launching a three-month translation contest focused on increasing our coverage of women's biographies. As the Russian version of Wikipedia is one of the most popular sources for translation, members of WikiProject Russia may be interested in participating.--Ipigott (talk) 10:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Magomed Tushayev
I recently created Draft:Magomed Tushayev because I believe we will find this person notable later on despite not meeting notability earlier. Do you have any inputs or ideas about what sources would be necessary to establish notability? MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 02:26, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Russian war crimes
A move of Russian war crimes ⟶ Russian war crimes and crimes against humanity has been proposed. Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Russian war crimes#Requested move 6 April 2022. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 03:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Help transliterating a Russian word (Объект)
What is the more correct way to translate the word "Объект," as in Объект 279, Объект 187, Объект 140? I've noticed that a combat vehicle historian who is one of the authorities on Russian armor, transliterates that word as "Obiekt." I've also seen "Objekt," yet English Wikipedia articles almost exclusive use "Object." I'm thinking about opening a requested move. Appreciate any help. Schierbecker (talk) 03:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- WP:RUS would give Obekt.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Are you sure it's not Obyekt? "-е" occurs after "-ъ." Schierbecker (talk) 15:10, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Please close this review
Don't think I am allowed to close this myself as I commented. So please could you close
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Russia/1
Thanks
Chidgk1 (talk) 11:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Battle of Chornobayivka#Requested move 1 April 2022
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Battle of Chornobayivka#Requested move 1 April 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 07:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
18th and 19th century Russians
At present Category:People of the Russian Empire by occupation is not divided by century, although Category:Russian people by occupation is, which is confusing. The Russian Empire extended from 1721 to 1922, so I'm thinking of renaming all the 18th and 19th century categories, and I'd like to know whether this seems sensible. Discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_April_9#Category:19th-century_Russian_botanists Rathfelder (talk) 09:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
This guy was a Russian admiral. If someone knows any good sources, please improve the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Merging the various articles on Putin ideology
I think we might want to merge all of these articles as they seem like redundant articles on the same political ideology
- Rashism
- Putinism
- Nashism
- Chekism more of a social system but worth mentioning
- Russian world more likely to be separate as it's a concept within the ideology
- Eurasianism seems like it should be merged, at least with the Dugin version
MaitreyaVaruna (changing name to Immanuelle) please tag me (talk) 18:54, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- No. There is no such thing as "Putin ideology". Accordingly, none of these pages, including "Putinism", is about Putin's ideology. What is "Putinism" exactly? There are different answers, such as Russian corporatism, etc. All these pages are on different subjects. Why any of them should be merged? My very best wishes (talk) 23:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- @My very best wishes can you please elaborate on this? My impression was that at least Rashism Nashism and Putinism are all the political ideology of Vladimir Putin. Is that incorrect? The pages are on different scholarly perspectives on the same thing. Chekism may very well be the case too, but it is more sociological rather than ideological, Dugin's Eurasianism may also count as the ruling ideology MaitreyaVaruna (changing name to Immanuelle) please tag me (talk) 00:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- If you look at these pages, none of them says that "X [for example, Putinism] is ideology of Putin". Yes, some kind of an ideology is a part of these subjects. In addition, Putin is not an ideologist. Someone like Dugin might be. My very best wishes (talk) 14:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- The conversation was moved to Talk:Rashism#Merge_Proposal because that talk page is more active MaitreyaVaruna (changing name to Immanuelle) please tag me (talk) 17:10, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- If you look at these pages, none of them says that "X [for example, Putinism] is ideology of Putin". Yes, some kind of an ideology is a part of these subjects. In addition, Putin is not an ideologist. Someone like Dugin might be. My very best wishes (talk) 14:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Estonia–Russia border#Requested move 14 April 2022
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Timofey Sergeytsev
I have been working on an article Draft:Timofey Sergeytsev on the author of What Russia should do with Ukraine does anyone want to help with it? Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 02:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Aleksey Aygi#Requested move 20 April 2022
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User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
)
and turns it into something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
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Historical census population in lead section
There are many articles that contain a list of the census population in the lede, such as Belgorod, with its second sentence being just: Population: 356,402 (2010 Census); 337,030 (2002 Census); 300,408 (1989 Census).
Apart from not being a proper sentence, it is unnecessary to give that information in the lede. Only the latest population should be included, like in most cities in other countries or even in Russia (like Moscow). This is an issue in other Russian cities that use template:Ru-census. If there is consensus, we should remove that template from the lede in all articles. Pinging @Ymblanter:, who reverted my changes when I removed the template in Belgorod. Vpab15 (talk) 16:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I do not see any reason to remove the results of the previous censuses. There were only three relevant censuses, 1989, 2002, and 2010, there is no selection here. I disagree that this information is not important. Moreover, removing templates means removing references, which is not acceptable. Ymblanter (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't say it is not important information, I said it should not be in the lede. It can be moved to a different section (Demographics for example). Vpab15 (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Vladimir Putin's meeting table
I think the article Vladimir Putin's meeting table should be part of Vladimir Putin, possibly under the Public image section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.5.84.223 (talk) 18:25, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Columbine movement
I recently saw this http://www.interfax-religion.ru/new/?act=news&div=79013 on Interfax-Religion and it completely confuses me. What is this movement and is it worth looking into for an article? Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 09:27, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Probably it is the Columbine effect. Mellk (talk) 13:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi guys, could you take a look at the Dissolution of Russia page, it clearly should be deleted in my view, it is crystal balling and therefore not suitable for an encyclopedia. The first section is 'historical precedents', ie the dissolution of the USSR, then the next section, taking up a good 60% is listing reasons for this dissolution, which hasn't happened, citing mainly one study by one professor. Then there is two quotes, one each from Putin and Medvedev saying how awful it would be if Russia was dissolved. Then a short list of three irredentist movements claiming Russian land. i.e. it is a non-article mostly based off speculation from one professor. It's basically a conspiracy theory except its not presented as such, it's presented as if it's somehow already happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.172.27.215 (talk) 00:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's one main souce also seems to be primary, no reliable secondary sources are given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.172.27.215 (talk) 00:21, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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New category "Entities controlling Crimea"
FYI, Category_talk:Entities_controlling_Crimea was just created. I think the category has problems, please join the discussion at Category_talk:Entities_controlling_Crimea#Problematic categoryNewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:21, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Value of 250,000 rubles during the Russian Revolution
Talk:Nestor Makhno#Bank expropriation
Hello! Looking for some assistance contextualizing the size/importance of a 250,000-ruble bank expropriation during the Ukrainian War of Independence/Russian Revolution. Discussion linked above. czar 02:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding the user 折毛 (talk · contribs), who has added numerous hoaxes about Russian history to the English and Chinese Wikipedias.. The thread is An_urgent_report_about_a_user:折毛's_hoaxes. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Elections in Russia
I believe that pages informing about 2022 elections should inform about the legal contex. War censorship limits discussion and Alexei Navalny is imprisoned.Xx236 (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- It makes sense, I think it shouldn't be too hard to find this discussed in RS and add it to the relevant article. Alaexis¿question? 18:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
"Placeholder" redirects to Russian districts: what are they holding a place for?
User:Ezhiki has created many redirects to Districts of Russia, e.g. redirects to Tyulyachinsky District. Most of these redirects are tagged with {{r from alternative spelling}} but I've noticed a couple that are tagged with "for convenience" and per edit summaries were created as placeholder redir. For Tyulyachinsky District these are Tyulyachinskaya and Tyulyachinskoye. I've seen similar "placeholder redirects" created for many other Russian districts. Generally these all end with the letters "kaya" and "koye". Why are these not labeled as alternative spellings; what are these "kaya" and "koye" redirects placeholders for? – wbm1058 (talk) 16:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- I assume there are localities with the name Tyulyachinsky (can not easily check now though), and I know that Ezhiki intended to create SET index pages for all Russian localities before they sadly went inactive. If Tyulyachinsky is a valid SET index article, Tyulyachinskaya (a feminie form) would be a valid redirect to it. Ymblanter (talk) 16:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- The locality there – administrative center of the district – is the village of Tyulyachi (population: 3,265). Per the article 13,778 people reside in the district, and "In the Tyulyachinsky district, there are 13 urban and 53 rural settlements within them." The term urban must have some uniquely Russian meaning here if there are 13 such areas in a district with less than 14 thousand people. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- I removed the sentence as obviously incorrect, but indeed I do not see any locations anywhere with the name Tyulyachinsky. Presumably it was indeed intended like a permanent redirect to the district. Ymblanter (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for pinging me. Yaroslav's is a good explanation; I just wanted to add a bit to clarify the intent behind these.
- In Russian, all nouns have a gender, with which adjectives must agree. The names of the districts are usually just an adjectivized (is that a word? :)) form of the name of its administrative center; in this case Tyulyachi-->Tyulyachinsky; normally directly transliterated from Russian because that's what's usually done to names that do not have an established conventional English name equivalent (like Moscow, St. Petersburg, et al). The "-sky" ending indicates masculine gender (since the noun "district" (raion) is masculine). But here's the rub. Any entity pertaining to the district will also most likely be named after the district, but the name (an adjective) would have to agree with the entity noun's gender. So, the district administration, for example, would be "Tyulyachinskaya District Administration", because the noun "administration" is feminine. A District's Department of Whatever & Sundry would be "Tyulyachinskoye Department", because the noun "department" is neuter.
- The thinking was that if any of those entities ever become notable for any reason to deserve coverage, it's pretty much a toss which gender form will end up being used. Say, the District Administration does something awesome or outlandish that an encyclopedia such as ours will need to cover, but that something does not qualify for a standalone article and is best upmerged into the the article about the district (the closest match). There is no expectation a non-native speaker should know that just because it's "Tyulyachinskaya (District) Administration", it does not at all mean that in a district called "Tyulyachinskaya". A redirect covers just such a possibility. It's not an alternative spelling, but indeed just a convenience, a tool to catch a (technically grammatically incorrect) redirect, or help move a search result closer to top.
- Hope this helps!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 3, 2022; 19:28 (UTC)
- @Ezhiki and Ymblanter: I'm working to deprecate mainspace use of {{R for convenience}} and Category:Redirects for convenience as too vague. I think all redirects are for convenience! My thoughts here, and see also Template talk:R for convenience. Currently there are about 2600 redirects tagged with {{R for convenience}} and about 1900 of them are this type of Russian-language gendered redirect to a Russian district. I'd like to change these to use a more specific redirect-category-template, and have written a quick PHP script to automate the conversion. Could we use {{R from adjective}} or would something else listed on Template:R template index work better? Alternatively we could create a new Rcat template for this usage, and its documentation would be similar to what you just told me above. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I would be fine with {{R from adjective}}; alternatively, we could use {{R from modification}}, I would be fine with it as well. Ymblanter (talk) 20:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have no objections to removing the tag (or replacing it with a better one, if one is available; the adjective or modification ones look totally fine). This tag just happened to be the most relevant I could find at the time of redirects creation. I would be against deleting the actual redirects (and I understand this is not at all what you're proposing; but putting it here for the record), since they are providing value, however minute, and cost literally nothing to keep. So if you're just looking at cleaning up the redirect tags structure, you have my full support. Cheers!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 7, 2022; 20:46 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for the quick replies. I made a test edit to Momskaya and will take a break now. In a while I'll be making nearly 1900 more edits just like that one. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Looks great, thanks. Ymblanter (talk) 05:45, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for the quick replies. I made a test edit to Momskaya and will take a break now. In a while I'll be making nearly 1900 more edits just like that one. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Ezhiki and Ymblanter: I'm working to deprecate mainspace use of {{R for convenience}} and Category:Redirects for convenience as too vague. I think all redirects are for convenience! My thoughts here, and see also Template talk:R for convenience. Currently there are about 2600 redirects tagged with {{R for convenience}} and about 1900 of them are this type of Russian-language gendered redirect to a Russian district. I'd like to change these to use a more specific redirect-category-template, and have written a quick PHP script to automate the conversion. Could we use {{R from adjective}} or would something else listed on Template:R template index work better? Alternatively we could create a new Rcat template for this usage, and its documentation would be similar to what you just told me above. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I removed the sentence as obviously incorrect, but indeed I do not see any locations anywhere with the name Tyulyachinsky. Presumably it was indeed intended like a permanent redirect to the district. Ymblanter (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- The locality there – administrative center of the district – is the village of Tyulyachi (population: 3,265). Per the article 13,778 people reside in the district, and "In the Tyulyachinsky district, there are 13 urban and 53 rural settlements within them." The term urban must have some uniquely Russian meaning here if there are 13 such areas in a district with less than 14 thousand people. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Followup-sky
@Ezhiki and Ymblanter: I'm down to 31 transclusions in mainspace. 28 of 31 end in "sky". Are these all {{R from adjective}} too, or something else? wbm1058 (talk) 23:55, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, these are all indeed {{R from adjective}}, as far as I can see.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:05, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Featured Article Save Award for Antarctica
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Assistance with Patrick Lancaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Lancaster please? it is a new article. Thanks. 666hopedieslast (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Mono-ideologies in secular Russian philosophy
I want to add a section in this article Mono-ideology on secular takes on mono-ideologies. Is anyone familiar with the term and secular work on them? Russian: моноидеология is the Russian word Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 08:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
A with grave (Cyrillic)
I came across A with grave (Cyrillic) during new page patrol and would appreciate a knowledgeable second opinion. In particular, is it really a distinct "letter"? As opposed to a regular A with a stress mark? – Joe (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
German A. Korobov
I created a draft for German A. Korobov, a Russian desinger of firearms. I have not found many good souces. Any help would be really appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 06:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Slavic Native Faith and mono-ideologies
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Fresh eyes on Patrick Lancaster article
Hello, can the community look at this article, there is someone who is removing well sourced material from the article during a AFD. 666hopedieslast (talk) 12:18, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- As anyone can see, you are trying to cherry pick sources to say that Lancaster is a journalist while removing the fact that when he is mentioned in reliable sources at all, it is as a spreader of Kremlin propaganda, sometimes as a scare quotes “journalist” or “self-described journalist “. I’d suggest looking into 666hopedieslast as a potential sock puppet: he’s been doing things like posting warnings and reverting to edits made by others on pages since his first day here - joined after the war started. Anyone know who the master could be?—Ermenrich (talk) 12:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I did not remove the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist", instead I moved it into a "Criticism" section which you removed along with many other credible and reliable sources. What is your excuse for deleting the BBC? Look at the last edit I posted. This removing the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist" lie needs to be retracted. 666hopedieslast (talk) 13:10, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since you're repeating yourself in various places, I will as well: You changed the lead to say
Patrick Lancaster is a YouTuber who has vlogged from Donbas since 2014. Lancaster's videos have been featured by mainstream media outlets and has contributed to The Telegraph and Sky News.[1]
. I invite anyone to look at what that BBC source (from 2017!) actually says about him, namely:Phillips works with a third pro-separatist video maker - American-born Patrick Lancaster. Lancaster also describes himself as an independent journalist.
At any rate, you need to hold this discussion at the article talk page.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since you're repeating yourself in various places, I will as well: You changed the lead to say
- I did not remove the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist", instead I moved it into a "Criticism" section which you removed along with many other credible and reliable sources. What is your excuse for deleting the BBC? Look at the last edit I posted. This removing the statement that "he’s a pro Russian propagandist" lie needs to be retracted. 666hopedieslast (talk) 13:10, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-40647061 The communist soldier using charity sites to fund his war]. BBC. 24 July 2017.
FAR notice - First Nagorno-Karabakh War
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Russian money in London neutrality
Stumbled upon the Russian money in London article, I think it has major problems with neutrality and would benefit from attention of more editors. Looks like a POV fork of Russians in the United Kingdom, however I don't think a merge would be a solution due to WP:WEIGHT. PaulT2022 (talk) 06:49, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think that the role of London as a haven for (mostly looted) Russian wealth is a legitimate topic and it only overlaps partially with the Russians in the United Kingdom which is supposed to be about the diaspora in general. A lot of those who have facilitated the "investment" are not even Russian citizens, while the great majority of Russians in London are not oligarchs trying to influence the British politics. Alaexis¿question? 12:36, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- The topic of illegitimate Russian money in the UK and links between it and politics would make sense, I agree with this (although an article about this issue in general with a detailed section on Russian money would provide a better context IMO).
- What caught my attention is that the article in question conflates legitimate investment with criminal oligarch funds. I think it should clearer state the topic, whether its indeed about money havens and associated corruption (I certainly didn't get such impression from the current title and contents), or about Russian investment in general. PaulT2022 (talk) 13:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Assessment
Hi may I get assessment on the article Chukotka sled dog? Thank you! Annwfwn (talk) 01:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Done Thinker78 (talk) 15:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Corriere della Sera claims that Alexander Zhukov is related to marshal Georgy Zhukov. Alexander took his wife's surname so if it's true then she must be related to Georgy Zhukov. However I very much doubt it's the case as I have not been able to find any other mention of their relationship. There is an editor who insists on including it so it would be good to get some outside perspectives. Alaexis¿question? 09:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Crimea on Russia maps
- User 78.55.12.169 replaced a neutral map with a Russian NPOV one in 2017 in a number of articles. Many of the NPOV maps are still linked.
- There are three series of maps - the original ones without Crimea, the NPOV with Russian Crimea and 'Crimea disputed'.
I am sorry but I do not understand why eg. Kostroma Oblast article needs a map with Crimea. It does not inform that Kuril Islands are disputed, so why Crimea?
- The 'Crimea disputed' maps when small suggest that Crimea is Russian. Its dimensions are 1 or 2 mm times 1 or 2 mm. I am unable to realize the difference of colour. If the map is big - "Show previous image" "<" partially covers Crimea.
- Please explain me the connection between the Kostroma Oblast and Crimea. Xx236 (talk) 10:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is pretty common across Wikipedia to mark disputed territories on country maps, cf. Kerala or Bălți. If the problem is that it's hard to discern that it's disputed surely there must be a graphical solution to it. Alaexis¿question? 14:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
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Biographical image discussion at Talk:Second Cold War
An image of Russian foreign ministry secretary Sergey Lavrov is discussed at Talk:Second Cold War#Sergey Lavrov image in "debate over term" section. --George Ho (talk) 20:15, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
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Drawing of srebrenik
Can you take a look at this deletion request? Alaexis¿question? 10:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Draft:National Republican Army (Russia)
I have created a draft article for the Draft:National Republican Army (Russia), a group which may be responsible for the car bombing which killed Darya Dugina according to Ilya Ponomarev. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 22:46, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
- From what I can see, all articles that exist about it, the claim about responsibility, manifesto etc are all based on what Ponomarev claims, so it is not even known if this group really exists and there does not seem to be anything else that can possibly be added. As of now, I do not think a separate article is warranted. Mellk (talk) 23:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
- That logo looks Ukrainian. Thinker78 (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Russian constitution (disambiguation)#Requested move 8 August 2022
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AFD of interest
There is an AFD in progress which may be of interest to this WikiProject: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russia's War Crimes House, regarding an article about an exhibition near the World Economic Forum in May.
Relatedly, is there a general article about art, monuments, memorials, museum exhibits, etc. that interpret the 2022 Russia-Ukraine conflict, whether balanced or POVish on either side? I wonder if this article might be merged into, as a possible resolution of the AFD. Or is other coverage of examples that might be combined to make a more general article? Please feel free to comment at the AFD. --Doncram (talk) 23:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:SVD-63#Requested move 18 August 2022
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Hello, WikiProject,
I came across this draft, supposedly translated from the Russian Wikipedia, that I thought some editor might be interested in giving a little attention. It is currently unsourced but it looked interesting to me so I postponed deletion of this stale draft. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 22:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022
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That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Pallas's cat#Requested move 6 October 2022
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Lanfranco Cirillo
Lanfranco Cirillo, an Italian architect who likely is behind Putin’s Palace now has an article. I believe the editor who put the article into article space has a conflict of interest. I would appreciate it if an editor who is proficient in Russian would take a look at the article. There’s a lot out there on Cirillo and not all of it is praise. Thriley (talk) 23:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Two Questions
I've asked similar questions at the Wikipedia Teahouse but it seems the editors there don't tend to have helpful input or do not know how to answer, as Russia tends to fall outside their area expertise, so I hope it's alright to ask here.
1) I am writing an article about a Soviet book published in 1980. The author was still active after the Soviet Union fell and as far as I'm aware his citizenship switched to Russian. I'm wondering whether to label the author as "Russian" or "Soviet". The author is Vladimir Orlov.
2) When citing a source written in Russian, do I transliterate the authors' names in the citation and translate the title, or do I leave them in the original Russian form? Jaguarnik (talk) 00:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- For 2, use
trans-title
/trans-chapter
andlanguage
parameters if supported by the citation template used (Template:Cite book for example). PaulT2022 (talk) 10:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC) - For 1, I would just mention him as Russian Soviet. He wrote in Russian language anyway.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Soviet journal copyright
For the article Danilov, the Violist, it was suggested that an image of the "original" cover of the novel should be added. The issue is the novel was published originally in Novy Mir in 1980 and had no "original" book cover. I considered using just the first page, with the title and first page, as a photo for it, but I don't know and was not able to find anything on whether a screenshot of a journal page could be considered as violating copyright. If noone has any ideas here, I'll go ask at Russian Wikimedia. But seeing as this is an image I plan to add to an English-language article, I thought maybe here was a good place to ask for advice first. Jaguarnik (talk) 18:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Republics of Russia has an RFC
Republics of Russia, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Furius (talk) 16:35, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
I recently created an article for Igor Kirillov (Russian general). Any help expanding the article would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 03:12, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Eastern Ukraine offensive#Requested move 13 October 2022
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Eastern Ukraine offensive#Requested move 13 October 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 15:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Engels (near Saratov)
Здравствуйте, друзья! Статья об Энгельсе в Википедии хорошая, но пропускает весьма знаменитого сына города- когда он еще был Покровском. Это Лев Кассиль, Советский писатель, автор Швамбрании. "Швамбрания" в английском переводе была любимой книжкой моего детства. Можно поместить две строчки о Кассиле в статье? По сей день Дом-Музей активно работает в г. Энгельсе. Всего наилучшего Вам, James Russell Fresno, California, USA 2601:204:201:13C0:CC0:17F9:7C9C:74B8 (talk) 21:01, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- I added him to the list of notable people.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Russian translation for the term "The People's Stick" by Bakunin?
Can someone provide the Russian form of the term "People's Stick" used by the Russian anarchist Mikhail Bakunin, so I can add it to the lede of said article? Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 10:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- It's called "народная палка" in the source: "Но народу отнюдь не будет легче, если палка, которою его будут бить, будет называться палкою народной" [39]. Alaexis¿question? 14:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!
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Some user reverted my edit, concerning Zakharov’s birth name and refuses to talk about his reasons at the talk page. Does anybody else mind adding this real name, which even Zakharov’s best friend, Grigori Gorin mentioned in his memoirs: [40] plus [41]and [42]. Neither in the article now, nor in the whole world you won’t find reliable sources, that his father and his grandfather were the Zakharovs. Otherwise, for their real name you will do. 188.123.231.20 (talk) 18:45, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- You should've added the sources when adding the birth name (e.g., the lenta article [43]) rather than just saying that there are sources in the Russian wikipedia. Alaexis¿question? 19:20, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Could you kindly do that for me? I don’t feel like edit warring. --188.123.231.20 (talk) 19:55, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Done. Alaexis¿question? 21:56, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. --188.123.231.20 (talk) 06:20, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Done. Alaexis¿question? 21:56, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Could you kindly do that for me? I don’t feel like edit warring. --188.123.231.20 (talk) 19:55, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
GAR for Nastia Liukin
Nastia Liukin has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:22, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Krasnoturyinsk#Requested move 11 January 2023
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Krasnoturyinsk#Requested move 11 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 02:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Timashyovsk#Requested move 11 January 2023
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Timashyovsk#Requested move 11 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 02:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Shchyokino (town), Tula Oblast#Requested move 11 January 2023
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Shchyokino (town), Tula Oblast#Requested move 11 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 03:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Russian government censorship of Chechnya coverage#Requested move 16 January 2023
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Russian government censorship of Chechnya coverage#Requested move 16 January 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
removed ban editors
Original:
- Abhijay (talk · contribs)
- Arusmanov (talk · contribs)
- Greyhood (talk · contribs) (Russia in global geopolitics)
- User:Nanobear~enwiki (talk · contribs)
REMOVED #Russavia (talk · contribs)
REMOVED #Wustenfuchs (talk · contribs)
This is about Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia/Politics and law of Russia task force maybe it should be archived as inactive? Metro2fsb (talk) 04:36, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
new article
Committee on International Affairs of the State Duma :) Thoughts? Metro2fsb (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia ads
Template:Wikipedia_ads is there an ad for project russia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metro2fsb (talk • contribs) 03:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Quality score for Russian money in London
Metro2fsb (talk) 07:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Other groups
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia
- Wikipedia:Russian Wikipedians' notice board/to do
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia/Politics and law of Russia task force
- Wikipedia talk:Russian wikipedians' notice board/RCOTW now defunct.
Metro2fsb (talk) 07:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
AfC help
I realize this draft is Soviet Union history but Russia project seems more active hence why I am posting here. Could use help with determining notability for Draft:Gelsomino's miraculous voice. CNMall41 (talk) 22:10, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Tired of ongoing edit-warring across many articles, I opened the above RfC. Please participate. Ymblanter (talk) 23:36, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Renaming Template:ВТ-ЭСБЕ
{{ВТ-ЭСБЕ}} – that’s Cyrillic VT-ÈSBE – is used for citing the Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary in 112 pages. I’d rename to a Latin-alphabet name for accessibility, but I don’t even know what VT stands for. Any advice? If you know what to do, please just go ahead and move it. —Michael Z. 20:54, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Russian Consulate General in Chennai at AfD
Consulate General of Russia, Chennai has been nominated for deletion. Discussion participation welcome. Thanks! Rasnaboy (talk) 18:15, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Assistance required to end deadlock in merger proposal discussion
I've been editing the articles relating to the Scythians over the course of several months, and since most editors tend to favour splitting pages after they reach a certain size, I split two further pages, Iškuza and Scythia, covering the phases of Scythian history respectively in West Asia and in Europe, out of the main page covering the Scythians.
However, trying to split it has resulted into three articles, with both Iškuza and Scythia requiring large amounts of material regarding the role of the prior and subsequent histories of the Scythians in the creation and destruction of those states copied from each other and from the Scythians page to exist since they are both about immediately preceding/succeeding states created by the same continuous population group. And because Iškuza and Scythia both cover immediately preceding/succeeding but also partially overlapping parts of the history of the Scythians, multiple sections and sub-sections of each page covering the culture, population, external relations, etc of these states also had to be copied from the Scythians page (e.g. the "Background" sub-section and "Society" section in Scythia, and the "Origins," "Impact," and "Legacy" sections of Iškuza). Moreover, the Scythia page as it exists now also functions as a WP:Semi-duplicate, given that most of the information relating to this polity also is also the same basic information that is required on the Scythians page.
Given this resulting situation, I have started a merger proposal to resolve this issue, per WP:MERGEREASON: Overlap, Context, not because I support a merger for the sake of merging itself, which I do not favour, but because Iškuza and Scythia require too much context and the information on these pages is too intertwined with each other.
The problem is that, despite months having passed, the discussion for the merger proposal is still at a deadlock, with three users opposed to the merger, and three users (including myself) in favour of it. In this difficult situation, I have been advised to bring this issue to the various WikiProjects which are relevant to Scythians as a way to possibly resolve the deadlock, and all good faith assistance to reach a consensus would be much welcome. Antiquistik (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Second Battle of Kharkov
Second Battle of Kharkov has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Alexei Navalny 2013 mayoral campaign#Requested move 10 February 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 05:29, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Terek Oblast or Terek oblast ?
Talk:Terek Oblast#Terek and Dagestan oblasts. Disagreement as to the capitalization ant italicizing of the article title. 17:14, 17 February 2023 (UTC)