User talk:George Ho

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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/The Rambling Man

An arbitration case regarding The Rambling man has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)'s resignation as an administrator is to be considered under controversial circumstances, and so his administrator status may only be regained via a successful request for adminship.
The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) is prohibited from insulting and/or belittling other editors. If The Rambling Man finds himself tempted to engage in prohibited conduct, he is to disengage and either let the matter drop or refer it to another editor to resolve. If however, in the opinion of an uninvolved administrator, The Rambling Man does engage in prohibited conduct, he may be blocked for a duration consistent with the blocking policy. The first four blocks under this provision shall be arbitration enforcement actions and may only be reviewed or appealed at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. Should a fifth block prove necessary, the blocking administrator must notify the Arbitration Committee of the block via a Request for Clarification and Amendment so that the remedy may be reviewed. The enforcing administrator may also at their discretion fully protect The Rambling Man's talk page for the duration of the block.
Nothing in this remedy prevents enforcement of policy by uninvolved administrators in the usual way.
The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) and George Ho (talk · contribs) are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with, or commenting on, each other anywhere on Wikipedia (subject to the ordinary exceptions).
George Ho (talk · contribs) is indefinitely restricted from participating in selecting main page content. For clarity, this means he may not participate in:
1. Any process in which the content of the main page is selected, including Did you know?, In the news, On this day, Today's featured article, Today's featured list, and Today's featured picture.
2. Any process in which possible problems with the content of the main page are reported, including WP:ERRORS and Talk:Main Page.
3. Any discussion about the above processes, regardless of venue.
He may edit articles linked from or eligible to be linked from the main page (e.g., the current featured article) and may participate in content review processes not directly connected to main page content selection (e.g., reviewing Featured article candidates). He may request reconsideration of this restriction twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every six months thereafter.
The community is encouraged to review the selection process for the Did you know and In the news sections of the main page. The community is also reminded that they may issue topic bans without the involvement of the Arbitration Committee if consensus shows a user has repeatedly submitted poor content, performed poor reviews, or otherwise disrupted these processes.

For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 05:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/The Rambling Man

Interaction Ban Reminder

Hello,

I’m writing to remind you that as a result of the arbitration case that both you and The Rambling Man are prohibited from interacting with each other, barring the usual exceptions. Recently, you posted questions to the election pages of multiple candidates where you indirectly made reference to The Rambling Man. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15) Please note that such comments are not permitted under the interaction ban and further instances will result in a block. Best regards, Mike V • Talk 22:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I won't do that anymore for now, Mike. Shall I report this the next time it happens? Or can someone else do it? George Ho (talk) 23:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you are referring to a violation of the interaction ban, you can mention it another admin once. Otherwise, it would be best to avoid all discussion related to The Rambling Man. Mike V • Talk 23:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shall I report his attempts to excuse himself to you, Mike? I felt unease when he made indirect references by saying "canvassing". I was prompted to ask questions when mentioned "canvassed". Is ~~this~~ his actions at the questions subpages excusable? George Ho (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, a warning has been made and I've encouraged him to leave things alone. I think that is sufficient for now. Mike V • Talk 00:26, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to drop a note that, as a result of extensive community discussion and numerous issues, the warning issued above has been overturned. [1] Regards, The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 22:36, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration enforcement block

To enforce an arbitration decision and for violating IBAN with The Rambling Man at Talk:2017 (such as the Talk:2017#2017 Manchester Arena bombing section and discussion regarding the "Cholera outbreak"), you have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions.

If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. Your reason here OR place the reason below this template. ~~~~}}. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:35, 7 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder to administrators: In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following procedure instructing administrators regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped."

Happy New Year, George Ho!

Happy New Year!

George Ho,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
— Moops ^⋠T⋡ 03:47, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

— Moops ^⋠T⋡ 03:47, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Lightning Comics (1967) for deletion

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Mooonswimmer 14:43, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Helen Glover (Survivor contestant) has been accepted

Helen Glover (Survivor contestant), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

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I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 01:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Jan Gentry has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Jan Gentry. Thanks! I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 02:09, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Ruby Tandoh

On 11 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ruby Tandoh, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when baker Ruby Tandoh (pictured) publicly came out, she mocked critics who suggested that she had romanced a male contest judge? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ruby Tandoh. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ruby Tandoh), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 19,804 views (1,650.3 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of January 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kelly Wiglesworth (January 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Mattdaviesfsic was:

Unclear what makes her notable. Lots of sources, but why? What is she known for? Being a reality TV contestant does not mean notability.

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Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 06:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:You're Makin' Me High The Remix Let It Flow US CD maxi-single.JPG

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Orphaned non-free image File:Harold A Fidler.jpg

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Query

Hello, George,

I go through a lot of PROD'd files and I was wondering why you prefered a pretty bland image of a record over a more visually appealing album cover. If they are both non-free images used to illustrate the article subject, in an article about that subject, then I think our readers would prefer an interesting album cover over an image of what the record looked like decades ago. I realize that you are more familiar with copyright guidelines than I am so I'm wondering what I missing here. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: I appreciate your preference for a cover art to illustrate a song, but various releases back then used either picture sleeves or generic ones. Many pre-1990s American vinyl releases and other overseas releases use generic sleeves. But then I figured that I can use free portion of any release, regardless of where it was released in. Otherwise, if I couldn't find a free replacement, then I can go for a non-free portion of a release from the song's home country. Worse, even some album arts don't belong to any specific single release but rather a compilation album or a song's parent album.

I nominated some of my uploads to FFD to have them evaluated. They were eventually deleted without objections from others. George Ho (talk) 23:37, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File:Tamla Motown logo variant A.webp listed for discussion

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Category:PD-AR-Movie has been nominated for deletion

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Proposed deletion of KVUE (disambiguation)

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10 Attitudes

Hello, George Ho. This is a courtesy notice that the copy edit you requested for 10 Attitudes at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page is now complete. All feedback welcome! Cheers, Baffle☿gab 09:53, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Clay Jordan (March 18)

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Greenman (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1E BLP AfD list

When you find articles that are worthy of 1E AfD/redirect discussions, please consider notifying me. E.g. if you don’t see me at Survivor AfDs, please ping me. It’s not canvassing if I’m requesting it, right? These 1E-chopped-liver articles are WP:NOT and shouldn’t exist, especially the BLPs. I completely understand how an “event” causes a BLP to be created before someone steps up and makes a 1E article. But trying to kill the BLP makes many a seasoned editor wet their panties simply because “the sources are good”. Seeing those AfD closures was particularly satisfying. Artificial Nagger (talk) 04:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jan Gentry (April 10)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Even if the sources were sufficient to technically establish notability per WP:GNG, which I'm far from convinced they do, this would be a clear example of WP:BLP1E.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

April flower

just a little flower of encouragement for the health issues you are taking care of -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My story today, Messiah (Handel), was my first dip into the FA ocean, thanks to great colleagues. - a few pics added, one day missing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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File:The Boys of Summer by DJ Sammy featuring Loona.jpg listed for discussion

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Poon Yuen Chung bag.png

please see image in this article: https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Article/shinmin19930908-1.2.9.18

right click & translate to english if you need further explanation, thanks WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 12:26, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:Billie Jean US 7-inch vinyl Side-A.jpg

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Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

File:Darin and Sheila Damude.jpg

Hi George Ho. You nominated File:Darin and Sheila Damude.jpg for discussion at FFD, but didn't do the same for File:Gerard Lowe.jpg. Just curious as to why since the way both files are being used is quite similar. The uploader of both files is the same and it might be hard to convince that user that one file is no good, but the other one is OK since they probably see no difference between the two. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:27, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I thought about PROD-ding the Lowe image after the Damudes image, hoping that the uploader would leave it alone. Maybe I can include the Lowe image as part of a future multi-nom discussion on his other uploads of victims. George Ho (talk) 19:23, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PRODS

Hello, George Ho,

I just deleted some files your PROD'd but I noticed that you didn't post a notification on the talk page of the editor who uploaded them. Please use Twinkle any time you tag a page for deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/FFD/RFD/etc.) and set your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator". We do have bots that sometimes fill in at times like this when a page tagger forgets to notify the page creator but it isn't 100% reliable. So, it would be much easier for you to post these notices, via Twinkle, when you tag a page for deletion. Please try Twinkle out, it really is a useful editing tool in so many ways. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:18, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just for reference, you don't need to use Twinkle to add a user talk page notification; you can simply copy-and-paste the notification template syntax in the prod deletion template onto the uploader's user talk page. When you add {{Proposed deletion}} to a file's page, just make sure the |help= parameter isn't set to |help=off. The notification template will be displayed by default if you remove the parameter altogether or set it to |help=yes. You can also add the same notification to the article's talk page or a relevant WikiProject's talk page if you want. FWIW, it's also a good idea to tag captions if they exist as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:17, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Stephenie LaGrossa (July 9)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by S0091 were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

See WP:1E. Most of the sources are about her involvement Survivor. Need to demonstrate notability outside of the show.

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S0091 (talk) 19:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, George Ho! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! S0091 (talk) 19:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Clay Jordan (July 25)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Asilvering was:

The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Survivor: Thailand. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.

The comment the reviewer left was:

He doesn't appear to have any notability outside of the show, so this is better off on that article. I recommend condensing it some first.

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Audio from video

Hi, I remember you uploaded some cleaner audio of fair use songs a while back and I was wondering if you could help me out. There's a free (commons!) video with a bunch of Spanish and Catalan names being said, and I was hoping to create audio files to add these to the relevant articles, but it seems like however I export the audio it's always the wrong kind of .wav for the uploader. If I just uploaded the video, would you be able to (separate and) upload audio files of each name? Thanks, Kingsif (talk) 03:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lemme get this straight: you intend to upload fair use or free videos, right? Or audio and video? And which video format? I can get audio format .wav. Regarding naming, how about using {{rename media}} (if local) or {{rename}} (if Commons)? Or you can simply rename the files yourself via Wizard before uploading the file. George Ho (talk) 04:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, there's a free video. I have separated audio and saved it as .wav format, but the Commons uploader says it only takes a certain type of wav file and what I have is wrong... it's not working. I can't find a way to convert the audio to .ogg, which I think is the only other file type the uploader accepts. As I remember you have uploaded .ogg files before, I was going to upload the video (as .webm, which the uploader automatically converts) and am asking if you would be able to take the audio from this video and upload to Commons as .ogg files. The audio is of (peoples') names, nothing to do with file naming - that's the other part, it's maybe 10 names, so I could also split up the video to multiple uploads, one for each name. Kingsif (talk) 04:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

.mp3 is now a free format and (IMO) easier to use than ogg, and the uploader should be aware of it. (Still can't figure out why ogg is still used more often than mp3, despite mp3's patent being expired for several years.) If you still insist on using wav instead, both c:COM:File types#WAVE and c:Help:Convertin video should help you more. How about the Audacity software? George Ho (talk) 09:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't "insist", the uploader doesn't accept other formats I've been able to convert to, and only gave an explanation about .wav. Sorry for asking. Kingsif (talk) 01:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I couldn't be more of a help. Honestly, I've not exported videos into .wav before. You can ask at c:COM:VPT for help on legitimately converting videos into WAV. George Ho (talk) 02:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's still not what I was asking, lol. It's okay. Kingsif (talk) 22:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the naming, when I uploaded JPEG and PNG, I can use the same titles only as long as no other JPEG file uses the same name of the JPEG file and no other PNG file uses the same name of the PNG file.

Same may be true for videos and audios... only as long as no other WebM file uses the same name of the WebM file and no other WAV file uses the same name of the WAV file. You might or might not ignore those potential warnings. George Ho (talk) 00:16, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Politely, this is absolutely nothing to do with what I was asking at all. It became clear you didn't get it a few replies back, don't worry. Kingsif (talk) 00:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is what you were referring, right: As I remember you have uploaded .ogg files before, I was going to upload the video (as .webm, which the uploader automatically converts) and am asking if you would be able to take the audio from this video and upload to Commons as .ogg files. I think I overlooked this part, didn't I? You want me to export one of videos into OGG, right? If so, then.... Well, I apologize for overlooking what was supposed to be a simple request.

I favor and prefer MP3 moreso due to it being compatible with multiple devices. Unsure about OGG, but it's playable on browsers and the Wikipedia mobile app. I'd like to know which video you were referring to, so I can create an OGG file. (Honestly, I'm flabbergastered by the uploader's reluctance to go for MP3.) George Ho (talk) 00:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Second Cold War

I don't want an edit war. ~~Wikipedia:Ownership of content.~~ We can do more Requests for comment or you can compromise. You just reverted 4 sources and a photo from the article. I have read the talk page. Ikipedia2 (talk) 10:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize that was my mistake @George Ho I didn't see the edit I created was moved below into another section. I removed the photo. As recompense (an apology), if you don't want any photo in the article at all, at the top of this article, you can either put any photo you wish or delete the infobox altogether. I was wrong. I apologize. Ikipedia2 (talk) 18:45, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Album styling

Per MOS:RETAIN, MOS:VAR, and WP:ALBUMSTYLE, please undo the addition of {{track listing}} in this edit. This article uses a plain list style and that should be retained. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why or what you mean. By adding more info, if I use the plain list format, the execution would've looked sloppy, and the source would've looked less readable. I left disc two listing as-is yesterday because I felt exhausted, but I plan to reformat the disc two listing with the same template. George Ho (talk) 15:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I mean is that this article doesn't use {{track listing}}. There are several valid styles (plain list, a table, the template) and the consensus is that there is a strong preference for leaving the original style of an article. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where's the consensus for the listing style of the article about Digging Deep: Subterranea? George Ho (talk) 18:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was the original style. That's what MOS:RETAIN and MOS:VAR are about. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:53, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:RETAIN refers to English-language varieties or dialects, like American English and British English. As I see, MOS:VAR says to use the first style used in an early non-stub revision if no consensus for either style has been made, i.e. plain listing.

But look at the styling right now. After adding writing credits and tracks' origins, is the listing still readable more than "track listing" template? George Ho (talk) 19:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait... Perhaps MOS:LIST would make more sense than MOS:VAR? (MOS:ALBUM is an essay, so enforcing it wouldn't make sense, IMO.) George Ho (talk) 19:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unsure about MOS:MUSIC, which doesn't say much about track listings other than discouraging them in song articles. George Ho (talk) 19:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the track listing template is ugly and it is not as useful to me. As far as the place to include styling information, note that this is discussed at WP:ALBUMSTYLE, not WP:ALBUM. As far as album style advice being incorporated into MOS:MUSIC, it has been discussed at WT:ALBUM and there is consensus for it, but no one has put forth the effort to get it to that state yet. :/ ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this discussion you're referring to? George Ho (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant threads:

Happy to help if I can provide more context. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Three of the discussions aren't RfC, to be frank. They aren't straw polls. Also, I can't determine whether there's a consensus. I see just editors disagreeing, I think. Maybe I was skimming too fast and couldn't bother to read a lot and reread? George Ho (talk) 21:30, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, maybe some of that's extraneous. And to be clear, I don't know of an RfC on the topic.

2020 thread about how we need to have incorporation into the MoS: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_60#WP:ALBUM_needs_an_official_MOS
A very brief discussion about including the existing album style advice into the MoS properly: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Formalising_Manual_of_Style_for_albums

That's all I can find immediately where someone from WP:ALBUM is saying "hey, WP:ALBUMSTYLE should be part of the MoS formally". I think that actually answers your question and isn't superfluous or otherwise off topic. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... Unsure what to make about two additional discussions you provided. The latter one ended without consensus for one proposal. The former looks lackluster, while the essay hasn't yet been promoted to a guideline. This is a case-by-case situation, yet you are apparently seeking a standard. Why not create a new discussion on this at Talk:Digging Deep: Subterranea and invite a few projects for their inputs? George Ho (talk) 22:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if anything, it's the other way around: since you want to change the existing style, you need to get consensus by convincing others that there is something extraordinary, per WP:BRD or WP:RETAIN. Otherwise, we could have 200,000 of these back-and-forths where you (or someone else) are adding {{track listing}} and I (or someone else) am removing it back and forth. That's why MOS:RETAIN exists: where we have different styles, keep the existing one so that we don't expend these resources on this kind of stuff. I also don't really see the need to make a single standard for all articles: were I to argue for one, it would 100% be "delete {{track listing}} and use plain lists or maybe tables" but that would never pass, so it's just a waste of time. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, why use MOS:RETAIN, which refers to only English varieties, not any list format? George Ho (talk) 23:45, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*sigh MOS:VAR. It applies to all kinds of styles, George.

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Large-scale deletion of Fudan University

As one of the most reputable universities in China, Fudan University deserves a comprehensive wikipedia page for the global audience. However, the user has cut down more than half of the carefully curated and edited contribution over the years by many other users for no reason.

I would like to specifically ask what is the reason behind deletion of the previous history section, especially regarding the funding and Chinese meaning behind the university name as cited here: "Fudan University, then romanized as Fuh Tan, was founded as Fudan Public School in 1905, by Ma Xiangbo, SJ, who had resigned from Aurora University. The two Chinese characters Fu (復, means "again") and Dan (旦, means "morning", "light" ), meaning both "(heavenly light shines) day after day" and "Aurora Revived"." This entire paragraph was deleted, and the previous user cited reasons are :"WP:NOTADVERT, WP:RS, WP:NOT, WP:BOOSTER", please specify which one this paragraph violated and how so?

Also, the following sections describing the history from 1911-present was completely deleted. What is the reason for this? To compare, Zhejiang University has a very similar section, which the user did not delete, what is the reason behind? Frostst (talk) 21:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To compare, Zhejiang University has a very similar section, which the user did not delete. Please be careful of using "other stuff exists" argument. Furthermore, are you associated with the Fuhan University? If so, please read WP:COI. George Ho (talk) 22:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but can you specify the reason behind deleting history and university name origin? What is the standard here? Help me understand please!Frostst (talk) 22:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not only the material you reinserted lacks references, but also it seems to be promoting and/or favoring the University, i.e. pro-University, which is against WP:NPOV policy. As I see so far, your article edits are of just one article. What are other articles you have considered? George Ho (talk) 02:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Replacing some non-free single cover art with single labels

Hello. In February 2024, I tried to replace the single covers for the songs "Alone Again (Naturally)" and "Helter Skelter" (song) (File:Alone Again single.jpg and File:The Beatles "Helter Skelter" US picture sleeve.jpg) with free single labels from Commons (c:File:Alone Again (Naturally) by Gilbert O'Sullivan side-A 1972 US release.jpg and c:File:Helter Skelter by The Beatles B-side label US vinyl (copy 2).png) as they likely failed WP:NFCC#1. Both were promptly reverted by a user who said that the cover arts are not "fully replaceable" with the vinyl labels, and both cover arts survived FFDs calling for their replacement/deletion (WP:Files for discussion/2024 February 16#File:Alone Again single.jpg and #File:The Beatles "Helter Skelter" US picture sleeve.jpg). What are your thoughts about this? JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 02:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reading FFD discussions, I figured that pro-cover arts people will favor keeping them. I'd refrain from re-nominating them for now until a lot of time passes. Of course, there are other songs to consider, but if I were you, I'd focus more on pre-1980s single releases if you wanna continue with the same mission. Meanwhile, I added a caption for Alone Again (Naturally). George Ho (talk) 03:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How long would "a lot of time" be? Three months? Six months? JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 03:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be safer, try years... or decades.... unless there are special circumstances? George Ho (talk) 04:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and furthermore, I'd be careful of (articles about) rock songs or songs by Madonna if I were you. George Ho (talk) 03:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which songs should be prioritized then? JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 03:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That... I can't say much except avoid classic rock songs and Madonna songs. And maybe avoid songs or genres that certain users have been specializing in. George Ho (talk) 04:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you considered stopping your campaign against cover art altogether? This is not something that has community support (as has been evidenced at FFD) and if you want a general policy against it you should gain consensus for that, instead of citing NFCC (which again, the community does not interpret in the same way as you do).

Your plan of working only on articles that have a low amount of eyes on them, where editors are unlikely to care, indicates that you know you're editing against consensus. Please stop. Elli (talk | contribs) 00:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elli: I'd love to stop if not for fears of misinforming and misleading general public into believing that a cover art is the standard artwork of a single release and if not for other editors omitting captions as "irrelevant" or "non-controversial". Readers looking at a vinyl label would identify one part of a release, some of them more curious and willing to research further. Other readers ofa sing article would jump into conclusions and then... stop researching further... or just listen to the song over and over without having to research. Avoiding misinformation is a high priority, in my opinion. The consensus, I think, would consist of those wanting to attract mass appeal without consider accuracy and probably young'uns who are oblivious about much of history. George Ho (talk) 02:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that you want to avoid misinformation, but why can't you just use a caption for the cover art? It'd be clear to our readers that the cover art wasn't used everywhere if a caption is added. Ignoring this, though, it still isn't acceptable to act unilaterally when you acknowledge that the overall community disagrees with you on this topic. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Sometimes, an editor can remove one older caption and then a newer one. (2) Even a caption might not ease my concerns about which portion or cover art is appropriate as lead image. (3) Lately, there has been a trend of eliminating captions from articles about most recent songs, especially when a cover art is universal. (4) Most album articles may not necessarily need a caption; unsure about song articles. (5) No point on adding a caption for an existing image if I'd replace an existing image with another one.

I used to prefer releases matching nationality of a singer, but now I realize free alternative would be more suitable especially to compensate insufficient depth about one song. George Ho (talk) 03:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of these are really issues though? Yes, if an image doesn't need a caption, then it doesn't need one. It shouldn't be too hard to pick a suitable lead image in most cases, and it's clear that editors prefer actual cover art to pictures of the records. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, if an image doesn't need a caption, then it doesn't need one. For newer singles, sure. But various artworks have been used for specific releases, most of them overseas.

Many American singles lacked picture sleeves back in those pre-CD vinyl days, and old surviving singles occasionally or often have been traded from one generic sleeve to another. Even some picture sleeves were discarded for whatever reason, probably wear and tear, or the same reason listeners discarded singles, or... I dunno.

To recognize a vinyl single, if a picture sleeve is absent, a surviving vinyl label should suffice, but nowadays that's as if you are a vinyl collector or into vinyl again amid ongoing vinyl revival era. A single lacking labels and picture sleeves would be harder to identify, honestly. I might say the same about CD and cassette singles, but would those be different stories?

it's clear that editors prefer actual cover art to pictures of the records. Not surprised. However, that also leads some editors into using (misleading) cover arts of parent albums using same names of songs, thinking that such cover arts would fool readers, especially without using captions. Millennials and newer generation, as I fear, probably wouldn't bother researching older songs but rather newer ones heard on radio or streaming, especially when researching has never been one of their top priorities. Even they wouldn't care much about how music industry worked back in old pre-digital days from past consumers' perspectives.

I still think vinyl labels should sufficiently help readers recognize specific American releases lacking official picture sleeves, but that's when no free alternatives exist at this point and when songs or singers come from the USA. Same if from other regions, like the UK or Australia. —George Ho (talk) 11:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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