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Reliability

Is podcastreview.org a reliable source that can be used to demonstrate notability? I don't see anything at WP:RSP or WP:RSN, but the website appears to have an editorial board and is published by Los Angeles Review of Books. It appears to have a wealth of sources for podcasts, but I've never seen it referenced so I was wondering if perhaps it's not considered reliable enough. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:27, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I'd say no. This submission page doesn't give me a good feeling. They'll accept submitted reviews from anyone who wants to promote their podcast as long as the review offers "thoughtful commentary". I would say if the author of a review isn't one of their staff members, assume it's unreliable. And there's no way to tell if the staff-written reviews are curated, or simply reviews of any podcast that is submitted to them for review. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:51, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it's interesting. At first I thought yes, of course. But you make a good point. It's hard to tell by that submission page how much or what kind of oversight is given to submissions, and a number of other questions, such as are reviewers encouraged to submit, or are podcast publishers themselves encouraged to submit? Both? If they are simply accepting reviews and promotional pitches for consideration, and only publishing a small fraction, but presenting a welcoming vibe, I think they could qualify as RS for some purposes, but there is just not enough info. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:00, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@Anachronist and Pyrrho the Skeptic: do you think I could use pieces written by the staff to expand a subject that has already been deemed notable? Or should I avoid the source altogether? I'vebeen looking for sites specifically dedicated to podcasts because I intend to create a subpage at the WP:PODCASTING WikiProjet dedicated to identifying reliable sources so your comments are informing how I'll include the site there. Currently I'm thinking I'll group it as a "situational source". TipsyElephant (talk) 03:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: Yes, I think articles from that site need to be evaluated on a case by case basis. If it isn't written by a staff member, it can be assume to be a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. If it is written by a staff member, and it's a good balanced review and not full of glowing praise, then it's probably OK.

Also I am not sure why you are asking here at the Teahouse. I suggest asking the folks who participate at WP:RSN and mention the points brought up in this discussion. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:03, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Anachronist: I suppose that is something else you could help me with. I don't quite understand the process at WP:RSN. I've seen users turned away for opening discussions, but I'm not sure if that's just because they were trying to get it added to WP:RSP prematurely. Can I ask about the general reliability of any source at WP:RSN without context or do I need an example of a source being potentially unreliable? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Submitting an article about a published play

I want to help a local playwright whose play has been performed successfully many times over the last three decades, but there is no article about it on Wikipedia. I have a very short draft prepared, but it needs more work and more information that others can help provide me. I am hopeful that the basic information I have written could at least be considered as an article, with the ability to add information and edit it later. What is the best way to get started on this, and what kind of notations/citations would be required? Would it be sufficient to reference the company that publishes the play and owns the rights to its performance? If additional citations are needed, could they be articles published about the play? Any helpful hints on how to get started would be appreciated. Cbohanan (talk) 21:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Cbohanan—Articles published about the play are exactly the kind of thing to look for. Reviews of performances, that sort of thing. You ideally want sources which are independent of the play; so rather than maybe a press release or interview, you want another publication which is discussing or reviewing it after the fact. Good luck. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 21:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@Cbohanan: Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. I suggest reviewing Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and Help:Your first article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cbohanan, and welcome to the Teahouse. I will echo what the other replies have said, and expand them a bit. A Wikipedia article is not in any way for the benefit of its subject. Of course, many subjects do get some benefit from Wikipedia having articles about them, but some definitely do not (see PROUD) Neither way is it any part of Wikipedia's purpose. This means that if you want to write an article to help a local playwright, then you are telling us explicitly that you have a conflict of interest. This does not forbid you from writing it, but it makes a difficult task even harder, as you will have make very sure that you are writing a neutral summary of what the independent sources say - even if they happen to be critical or dismissive. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 15:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Multiple redirects and page move: Barbara Baker

I have inadvertently created a messy redirect/page move situation. I am working on Barbara Baker (molecular biologist), but there was also a Barbara Baker page that linked to an Australian. I moved it to Barbara Baker (barrister), and then realized there was a redirect from Barbara Baker (judge) to Barbara Baker. Confused yet? I am. There are two people in question: (1) Barbara Baker (molecular biologist) and (2) Barbara Baker (judge)/Barbara Baker (barrister). I am not sure what the best fix is here, so I am hoping for some help in fixing this. Sorry for the mss. DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:21, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I can't see a serious problem. For clarity I've changed the hatnote on the barrister page from {{for}} to {{redirect}} for the benefit of readers who arrive through that route. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks. --DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:58, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

But I now see that your move was reverted by another editor, as a result of the recent decision at Talk:Barbara Baker#Requested move 7 September 2021. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:05, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Barbara Baker was recently moved from Barbara Baker (judge) because the now Governor of Tasmania is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC between the two Barbara Bakers. That move was the subject of a WP:Requested Move, as seen on the article's talk page. Before moving pages, it's always a good idea to check for RMs on the article's talk page, and if there's any chance of a move being controversial, make a request at WP:RM rather than moving the page yourself. I've reverted the move, so everything is taken care of now. As a general answer to your question about redirects, though, you usually don't have to worry because a bot will come along and fix them for you, usually within a few minutes. Station1 (talk) 17:13, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for confusion. I did not know to check the talk page for discussions about moves. My mistake and lesson learned. Thanks for the help @Station1: --DaffodilOcean (talk) 17:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

No problem. The best way to learn is by doing! Station1 (talk) 17:31, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Becoming confirmed as a new editor

I just started a Wikipedia account yesterday and drafted an article in my userspace, where it notes that I do have a conflict with that subject. but when I moved the material over to a draft article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:International_Conservation_Fund_of_Canada) the conflict info is not there. Is that because it's no longer "my" article? (I don't see how to add the conflict info to Draft.) Also, does editing one's own article count toward becoming confirmed as an editor or do I need to edit other existing articles?

It's nice to have this tea-room. I'm a long-time read of Wikipedia (and supporter). B. Moore-Green (talk) 17:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

B. Moore-Green—the conflict of interest notice you're talking about should remain on your user page rather than on an article (or draft); keeping it on your userpage is the most beneficial place for it. If the draft you have written is approved for article space then you would be free to leave a message on the article's talk page noting the COI if you wish, as it might also be a good place to ask other editors for a second opinion on any changes you might make to it as well. As to your question, autoconfirmed status does not check which space the edits are made in, but if you're in any doubt, you can certainly keep an eye out while browsing for any minor fixes you might catch just to keep your edits up—never be afraid to fix a typo or the like. Welcome aboard, though, and good luck editing. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 17:36, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) First you should delete the copy of the draft on your User Page (such articles should be in your sandbox if not in the Drafts area). Then you can repeat your COI comment on the new Talk Page of the draft which will be Draft_talk:International_Conservation_Fund_of_Canada. That's a redlink as I write this as the page doesn't yet exist but if you click on it you'll be able to create that page. Thanks for being upfront about the COI, B. Moore-Green: many new users are not. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:44, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Moving a draft to user area.

Hi, I've got a draft article that's coming up for automatic deletion. I'm hoping to move it to my user space so I can get back to finishing it at a later date. The article is Draft:Kitty Macfarlane. Could anyone give me a hand with that? Henry Kingdon (talk) 17:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

You don't need to move it. Just make a tiny edit to the draft and it will stay in Draft space. Automatic deletion only happens if no-one edits the Draft for six months. On the other hand, if you can't be bothered to work further on it, you may as well let it go, or even copy the source code out to be stored locally on your hard drive. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:48, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I've made an edit to the draft, now it'll survive until March. Maproom (talk) 19:21, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Park pages formatting?

I found a page about a local park which seemed generally disorganised and am interested in trying to clean it up. Firstly, which guidelines should I follow when trying to clean up the page? Secondly, what are examples "good" pages on parks, because I don't want to just copy mistakes from one place to another. What is the extent of the WP:NOR policy? (e.g. a part of the page requires a citation of a poster posted at the park entrance which doesn't appear to be found online. Am I allowed to take a picture of the poster and cite that?). I read WP:RS a couple times and still don't really "get" it. Can you dumb it down for me? Thank you. 2601:647:4100:10E2:A958:152F:543C:B470 (talk) 13:48, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

There is a specific template to use for signs like that: see Template:Cite sign. If you personally take a photo of the poster then you can upload it to Commons and include the image in the article. What you should not do is upload a photo of the sign you find elsewhere on the Internet for example, as that's not your copyright. As far as I'm aware "freedom of panorama" allows you to photograph such signs, in the US and many other countries but you can check on the Commons Help Desk for more advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

As to articles to emulate, try to find a similar one that's "A" or above in Wikipedia's rating scale at WP:Assess . You can do that by using the Talk Page of the article you have in mind to see which Projects are interested in it. For example Talk:Yellowstone National Park shows it to be of interest to multiple Projects. It is an article rated "featured" which is the highest possible assessment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:49, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@IP user: Looking at Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#Summary_table, if you are in the US freedom of panorama doesn't extend to 2D objects or text. Hence, I recommend forgetting about a photo of the poster and just citing it as per the template. It doesn't matter that the text can only be verified by someone going to the location specified, as that's no different than citing an obscure old book that's only available in specialist libraries. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Blank talk page to be deleted?

Hello, I created a talk archive page here, where I noticed a problem with the title. I came up with a corrected version and moved the content onto the latter. The former is now left blank. I am wondering if it should be deleted, or is keeping it preferred? GVO8891 (talk) 21:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

It can be deleted, and we in fact have a speedy deletion criterion for this purpose. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 22:08, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

You are spoiled for choice for CSD criteria. U1 and G7 are available, as well as the G6 suggested above. - David Biddulph (talk) 05:19, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! GVO8891 (talk) 23:57, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Ivory-billed woodpecker

your article on the ivory-billed woodpecker states that loss of habitat and HUNTING caused this bird to become extinct. This bird was never a game animal and was never hunted. This statement is totally false and should be removed from the article. 198.162.192.232 (talk) 05:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

That assumes facts not in evidence. The presence of ivory-bills' remains in kitchen middens has been used to infer that some Native American groups would hunt and eat the bird.[...]The hunting of ivory-billed woodpeckers for food by the residents of the Southeastern United States continued into the early 20th century[.] Both of those statements have citations. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Am I allowed to add untitled movies that don't have a director's name in it?

I am curious since that's what we used to do back in the day and now we can't add movies that say the studio's name for example: Untitled 20th Century Studios film. So I just want to know that's all cause I am in the midst of editing the 2023 movie section. Dinoman21 (talk) 02:46, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Don't add it unless you have more details than it's a potential movie on their slate for 2023. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:23, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Citation template

In this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians#Sport there seems to be lack of citations compared to rest of the page where there were 6-7 for a single claim (Ill admit this section was the only one that looked really clean). In addition, it earlier claimed that italians won only one euro in football althought they recently won another one too. I changed it, but shouldnt there be a template saying "needs citation" template? I think for most part the entire section for sports is factually correct though LostCitrationHunter (talk) 17:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Feel free to tag such sections with {{More citations needed section}}, or {{Citation needed}} for individual statements. See also {{More citations needed}} and related templates (scroll down). There's an index at Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup/Verifiability and sources, and a more generic index of cleanup templates at Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup. – Anon423 (talk) 09:24, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

How to check content of Previously deleted pages?

Hi Everyone,

Again i have a query. May i check the content of previously deleted pages? However i do not have the rights of the adminship, but Is there any way/tool to check this? Thank You. DMySon (talk) 07:32, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@DMySon: It generally depends on how a page was deleted. If a page was deleted as Speedy deletion criteria G3, G11, G12 or G2, you don't need to bother about what was in there, as its most likely not salvageable anyways. If the page was deleted after an AFD and there were no concerns about quality issiue, PROD or WP:g7, you might ask one of these admins to provide a copy of the deleted page. There is no tool for it, as the software behind Wikipedia makes no distinction between a deletion of an otherwise good article because of notability concerns, and G3 candidates. And the latter are often gone for a very good reason. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:38, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Victor Schmidt Thank You for your detailed answer. DMySon (talk) 10:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

You may also have luck with off-WP sites like Deletionpedia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:54, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång, Thank you for your answer. DMySon (talk) 10:14, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Cant log into account

I changed phones and now i cant log into my account. I think it is using an old (deactivated) email address, so I cant get a link to reset my password. How do I fix this? Thanks! 2603:8001:BC00:23E:4995:67F4:F9DF:B037 (talk) 15:00, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the teahouse. Follow the instructions at Help:Logging in#What if I forget my password?. Generally if you do not have a useable email address attached to your account it will be unrecoverable and you will need to make a new one. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 15:07, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

for publishing new article

hi, i wrongly write my draft name as sudipta karmalar instead of sudipta karmakar. how can it be fixedMONA DAR LISA (talk) 13:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC) MONA DAR LISA (talk) 13:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MONA DAR LISA. I see Primefac has moved the draft to its right name. But your draft has no hope of being accepted unless you find some independent sources. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 15:46, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Linking Biography with an Hyperlinked Wikipedia entry.

My name is published on Wikipedia as an inventor of the year through New Jersey Hall of Fame. It has an active hyperlink, but no content. I would like to provide brief introduction of mine that could be linked with that hyperlink. RYaqub (talk) 16:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@RYaqub, hello! Do you mean that your name is a WP:REDLINK in a WP-article, like so: Aubrey C. Lewis? These links only become "active" if a WP-article of the person is created, and we have some fairly strict rules about that. Check this link: WP:BASIC. What are the 3-5 best sources you know, that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of you and about you in some detail? This excludes blogs, wikis, your websites etc etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:58, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft to article

How can I change a draft to an article? Pepeh17 (talk) 19:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Pepeh17 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit your draft for review, however, if you were to submit it now, it would be rejected quickly, as it is completely unsourced. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Please read Your first article. Be advised that successfully creating an article is the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. If you haven't already done so, please use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Proofreading/typo and grammar checking

Hi,

It would be really nice if someone has the time to check if my article about the Croatian Sovereignists has any typos or bad grammar.

It would really mean a lot to me!

Best regards, Koreanovsky (talk) 16:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I have editted it a bit to make it gramatically correct (atleast in my opinion). I think it would be better if you could add more details such as

1. "...led by Hrvoje Zekanović" (what position did he take)

2. "...some citizens' initiatives, such as "Istina o Istanbulskoj" and "Hrvatski bedem"..." what do these mean in English

3. "...The party was originally founded in November 2019 as a political platform between the..." why were they founded as a platform? what did they as a platform? How is this platform related with the "...citizens' initiatives..."

4. "...party leader Hrvoje Zekanović named the proposed referendum question..." what is the question? i think it would be nice if the question was also added

5. Also it is stated that the party is a Christian one, I think you should add additional information on that in the preceding section

Good luck! And on a personal note, I still got the Croatian Kuna that i am keeping in my collection :)

LostCitrationHunter (talk) 17:41, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@LostCitrationHunter: Thank you very much! :-) --Koreanovsky (talk) 19:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

How can I change a draft page to an official page?

My draft is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:LXSTMIND Jmxrcelo (talk) 19:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Copied from the immediately preceding Q&A: "If you were to submit it now, it would be rejected quickly, as it is completely unsourced. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Please read Your first article. Be advised that successfully creating an article is the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. If you haven't already done so, please use the new user tutorial." David notMD (talk) 19:54, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello @Jmxrcelo: welcome to the teahouse!

To submit your draft for review just add{{subst:Submit}} to the page. Your draft will not be accepted as it is written, howerver, as it is an unsourced biography of a living person and does not show how the subject is notable. Have a read of the guidance at WP:Your first article and WP:Referencing for beginners, and find some coverage in Reliable sources that shows that this person passes the musical notability guidelines. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 19:55, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Jmxrcelo. Your draft consists of a single unreferenced sentence, and is therefore unacceptable for Wikipedia at this time. Please read Your first article to learn what is required. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:57, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Can someone monitor this user

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/117.198.122.174

This contributer seems to be deleting too many texts using the same comment "POV : PCA is modified, it does not have same plot or labels. See the real PCA on study page here -> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-61941-z/figures/1" i dont understand what he is trying to say so i thought i would inform the admin or whoever is in charge of that. He seems to be deleting the section of people from asia talking about their origins/genetics. LostCitrationHunter (talk) 09:01, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: On October 1st, IP 117.198.122.174 deleted referenced genetics content from five articles and proposed that a different ref was better. Another IP editor reverted all the changes. There is a complication. Restoration of the content triggered a Commons bot to propose the restored contested image and ref be deleted. David notMD (talk) 10:11, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello @LostCitrationHunter:, @David notMD:, @Gyan.Know: : Please take note of conversation in commons.https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Eurasian_PCA.png It was removed because the image was modified not found in source, and it was advised to be removed by one of the users.

put simply, someone falsified data. That is always completely unacceptable. It's nothing to do with POV, it's just fraudulent. Unfortunately the whole debate seems to have got bogged down in copyright. Expect emotions to run strong in this. It's got all the red flags: copyright violation, data-fraud, and ethnicity. When you've got two PCA plots and a whole set of blobs (look at the light green ones) have moved off across the diagram somewhere else, you know someone's been at it in an photo-editing program, and has deliberately changed the data, which is outrageous. Elemimele (talk) 12:16, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

but at least the version in the WP article does match its source! Elemimele (talk) 12:28, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@Elemimele: Thank you!! It is falsified data along with labels and not found in source itself. This falsified image was added back on several pages by some user, see under file usage. 117.198.122.174 (talk) 12:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Am I understanding properly, there are actually three versions of the figure floating around here. The figure currently used in the WP article is from Genome Biol 18, 110 (2017) and is probably correct and unfalsified. It is very similar in appearance to another figure that you cited in Nature at [1], and this latter figure has been mangled and falsified in a version at commons, whose deletion was being requested? If so, the current version in the WP article can't be removed on grounds of it being false, though it might be removed on grounds of having been superseded - that needs someone who actually knows the subject. Elemimele (talk) 14:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Elemimele, can you point me to where the 2017 diagram is being used? I found "Like sugar in milk" [2] cited at Parsi, but I haven't managed to locate the principal-component plot on-wiki. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 20:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pelagic: I think the Parsi one is in use at Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia Elemimele (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I re-uploaded a faithful version over the doctored one. We'll see if people start berating me for that. I also made an overlay comparison of the two. Not only were the Pakistanis in the central-asian branch and the Indians in the south–east asian branch moved. The axes align when overlaid, but the european cluster has been shifted down from 0.2 to 0.1, and the east-asian one has moved rightwards from 0.5 to 0.58. I can replicate some of the changes with a lasso tool, but have to break the plot up into a dozen or more pieces to do so. Unless the source diagram was revised between publication and now, it does indeed look like someone's been at it in a photo-editing program, which is completely unacceptable for quantitative data. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 20:44, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I got blocked from idea wiki

yeh I did, is there a way to get unblocked? Cuz I think I didn't do anything wrong, because idea wiki is almost fan pages, I only edited fan pages, can you tell me what's going on and how to edit fan pages again and be unblocked? Greatskunk9492 (talk) 20:15, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greatskunk9492: idea wiki is hosted by Fandom, it has no relation to wikipedia or the wikimedia foundation. You will need to appeal your block through whatever process fandom has in place. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 20:20, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

You have been repeatedly reverted for your edits to Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (film), and on the Talk page of the article, admitted to adding false information. (" I edited to prank yall" and "YOU JUST GOT TROLLED I EDITED IT TO HYPE YOU LOOOOOOOOOOL, Ok maybe I Made You too exited and i'm sorry, but it's cuz, like, lol.") Frankly, I am surprised you have not been blocked here at Wikipedia. I added a Level 4 Warning to your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 21:09, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:B Unnikrishnan (Academic)

Hello, my last article was sent to drafts but I don't understand why. I have made it as per the guidelines I think. All information is with reference only. Please help. Mtpos (talk) 15:30, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Mtpos: Draft:B Unnikrishnan (Academic) is only three sentences long, and provides no evidence that he is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 15:50, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

The explanation is at User talk:Mtpos#B Unnikrishnan (Academic) moved to draftspace. Where are the citations from reliable, independent sources? --David Biddulph (talk) 15:50, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mtpos: Welcome to the Teahouse! See also WP:NACADEMIC for the criteria for adding an article about an academic to Wikipedia. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:40, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Teahouse Table of Contents uses a scrolling box

This page's table of contents is displayed in a box smaller than the actual text width, with a scroll bar at the bottom. I noticed it as soon as I came onto the page, so I assume it is a recent change as I check in here most days.

I am using Vector (not Legacy), in Chrome (Version 94.0.4606.54 (Official Build) (64-bit)), on Lubuntu. The TOC displays with the same layout with scroll bar whether it is on a laptop screen or a 22-inch monitor. Verbarson (talk) 21:46, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, well spotted. It seems to have happened as a result of this addition by Hoary, which added an extra = in a subsection. I don't know if this will correct itself once that's archived or if some other fix needs to be applied.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

It had happened again today when a similar edit had been made to create a === subsection. I've nowikied out that entry and the problem seems to be gone. We live and learn.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to have thus wasted your time, Verbarson and Michael D. Turnbull. (Though this does seem to be a bug.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:57, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Grammar

Hello! I am a new user and was idly exploring articles today when I encountered the following sentence in an article: “The Singaporean police force arrested those who involved in the United League of Arakan's movements and they were deported back to their country that Myanmar on 10 July 2019.” This sentence obviously requires grammatical fixing, but I’m not sure of exactly the right phrasing and figured I might ask. The main thing I’m considering is if it should be “...they were deported back to Myanmar...” or “...they were deported...” (I am also not sure if the date is considered notable information, or if this sentence should be struck entirely from the article... in addition to being a new user I am also not familiar with this topic.) Thanks! Postleft (talk) 01:20, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Postleft: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's actually another grammar issue: it should be The Singaporean police force arrested those who were involved in [...] (emphasis mine). I would change the part you're concerned with to [...] they were deported back to Myanmar on 10 July 2019. Leaving the date is fine if that's what the source reports. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:47, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: (I hope I’ve formatted this reply correctly) Thank you! Postleft (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Postleft, I would also put a comma after "movements", in addition to what Tenryuu suggested. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 23:11, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Should I continue this draft?

This draft currently reads in a controversial tone, and it's not so notable. Some of its current citations are journals or books written by the person himself. Is there any problem in further continuing (because I want to) and what changes can I bring to the current draft? Also please note that this draft isn't complete and half the article is uncited, please ignore that fact. Excellenc1 (talk) 11:00, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

He looks worthwhile to me. Yes, some of what appear as references fail to be references in the sense that Wikipedia expects. However, most if not all are worth saying all the same. I'd separate (A) regular references from (B) notes. See Help:Footnotes#Footnotes:_groups for a how-to, and Stephan Vanfleteren as an (unfortunately science-irrelevant) article that makes (too?) abundant use of both references and notes. -- Hoary (talk) 11:37, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: For example, in this statement,

He is an author for the online journal The European scientist,^[1]^[2] and for the English-speaking skeptical journal Skeptical Inquirer.^[3]

the references will actually be notes because they are just examples of this person's works in The European Scientist and Skeptical Inquirer. Am I right?

References

^ Point, De Sébastien (2018-08-08). "Lumière bleue et jeunes enfants : les LEDs sont-elles plus nocives que les autres technologies de lampes?". European Scientist (in French). Retrieved 2021-10-02.
^ Point, De Sébastien (2018-02-01). "Pourquoi il ne faut pas craindre les LEDs". European Scientist (in French). Retrieved 2021-10-02.
^ "Author: Sebastien Point". Retrieved 2021-10-02.

Also, why is Stephan Vanfleteren rated Start-Class if it has over 100 citations? Excellenc1 (talk) 12:00, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Any editor (including you) can change that to a C-class or B-class if in own opinion valid. David notMD (talk) 13:00, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, the draft now has notes, please verify if they are right. Excellenc1 (talk) 15:06, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding, Excellenc1, but I've been away from my computer. Somebody who takes a quick look at the article may not understand the difference between "notes" and "references" and may (wrongly) conclude that they're the same. I use "references" for sources; these rarely need explanations. I use "notes" for additional explanations, but also for sources that might not satisfy WP's stringent requirements for "reliability". The latter can look problematic, so I add a little comment to make them look less like references, more like additional-explanation notes. In this edit, I've done this for one of your notes; if you like it, you can quickly and easily do the same thing for a lot of the others. (Also, see how I've converted from majuscules: if a particular publisher uses ALL CAPS, this is usually a mere design decision, which is rightly ignored. Occasionally it's a mere trumpeting-a-trademark decision, which too is rightly ignored.) ¶ As for the "start" grade, it dates from the very first edit (by me). Although you read "17 August 2021", it was very likely months earlier, on my hard drive. At that time the article was also gestating on my hard drive and wasn't a "C", let alone a "B". As David notMD says, anyone (trolls aside) is free to change the rating. My personal opinion is that "stub" means that the creator was lazy, "good" means good, and "start", "B" and "C" mean little. I'll put some thought into choosing among them for other people's articles but am uninterested in the choice among them for my own. -- Hoary (talk) 22:52, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion the Lead is far too short, and parts of the content are far too long. An article is not a resume. A harsh but perhaps valid winnowing would be to change Exhibitions to Selected solo and paired shows and delete all of Group; also in Books, selected books and delete all collaborations. This is my own bias toward less-is-more. David notMD (talk) 01:29, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Pet COI

I own a Chug (Chihuahua-pug crossbreed). If I were to start the "Chug" article, would I have a COI? Minkai (talk to me)_{(see where I screwed up)} 13:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Dear Julie, the short and simple answer is No Gyan.Know (talk) 13:33, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@JulieMinkai: Chug already exists as a disambiguation page. You could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article and create Draft:Chug (dog) for review. If a Chug breeder created an article about Chugs to promote their business, that would be an example of COI. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:45, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, Batty! Minkai (talk to me)_{(see where I screwed up)} 13:51, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@Minkai: That sounds like a really cute dog Definitely no. If you were the creator of the chug then possibly. Really you would only have a COI if your chug was famous and had an article on it. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:47, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf It is cute! My particular chug has the face, fur, and tail of a Chihuahua and the body of a pug. His ears are floppy like pug ears, but shaped like Chihuahua ears. Minkai (talk to me)_{(see where I screwed up)} 13:51, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

JulieMinkai—That would be fine. A conflict of interest usually stems from writing about yourself or an individual you have links with (an employer, a relative, etc) or writing about a business you would benefit from; the idea being that it is hard to be truly neutral in that case. In this case you would be writing about something you're interested in but there would be no "conflict" and should have no problem—in fact you might find that having such a breed yourself you might be able to provide a picture to illustrate it, and are probably already better placed to know where to find the right sources too. Good luck. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:05, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@JulieMinkai: If you were to start the article, start it in draft space. I suggest the title Draft:Chug (dog). In draft space, you'll have time to work on it without worrying about someone coming along and deleting it because it isn't suitable for article space yet. WP:AFC will get you started (I think if you follow that procedure you just call the article "Chug (dog)" and it automatically puts it in draft space for you). ~Anachronist (talk) 16:56, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@JulieMinkai: Hybrid breeds are generally not considered notable here; see Wikipedia:Writing about breeds#Examples of articles to not create. Graham87 05:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Page Protection?

BalPakna2021 (talk) 04:09, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Your question, BalPakna2021, is inscrutable and unanswerable. -- Hoary (talk) 05:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: They've been trying to stop the AFD discussion around their obvious hoax article (SobuJ Ahmed) by removing the AFD notice then spamming everywhere asking for their page to be protected. I've also filed an SPI because this appears to be related to an earlier sock master. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 05:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Help getting primary sources

Im on the news regularly but they don't put every clip online. Any advice? I know primary sources are a must. 2603:7000:3900:7114:CDFA:1CDE:33BE:ABCC (talk) 14:27, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Primary sources are what we should be avoiding, ideally. One person discussing themselves or a subject they are involved with is what we consider a primary source, and where possible, we should be looking for secondary sources, which would be someone not involved with an item discussing it instead. If the subject you want to cover is being discussed by other people not connected to it, those are the sources you would want to use. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:35, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

In addition, you can read more about the differences at WP:PSTS. Also see WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD for situations when primary sources may actually be preferred. --GoneIn60 (talk) 08:02, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Leander Paes

Why Leander Paes's all sub sections are appears always open??? Newton Euro (talk) 10:37, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Newton Euro I don't see anything wrong with that article (either before or after your unexplained edit). Please clarify your question. What do you mean by always open--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Shantavira: Something is wrong with that article. All the subsections are extended before we click on them to extend.

If this is about the mobile view of Wikipedia, it may be related to the problem brought up here. Deor (talk) 17:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

In which case the specific problem here is the 915 flag icon templates used in the article. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 18:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Shantavira please look at these images: [3][4] Gyan Know _{contributions?} 08:04, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Problem persists on Desktop [5] Gyan Know _{contributions?} 08:07, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

the article page been deleted

Takeshi nishimoto (talk) 04:11, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Which article or page, Takeshi nishimoto? And is this an announcement, or a question? -- Hoary (talk) 05:16, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I think the questioner is referring to Takeshi Nishimoto, which was prodded and then deleted on 30 Aug. Station1 (talk) 06:46, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

That article was virtually unreferenced. -- Hoary (talk) 09:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

why did the page "Takeshi Nishimoto" get deleted?

would it be possible to bring this page back?

thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Takeshi nishimoto (talk • contribs) 09:32, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Takeshi nishimoto: since it was deleted through the proposed deletion process you can go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion and request that the page be restored. Unless the article is improved it is likely to end up at articles for deletion though, where if it is deleted it'll be significantly harder to bring back. Do you have reliable sources to show that this person passes our musical notability guidelines? 192.76.8.74 (talk) 09:38, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Ibiza (Philipp Kirkorov and Nikolay Baskov song)

Hello. Can anyone check my first stub-article User:Владлен Манилов/Ibiza (Philipp Kirkorov and Nikolay Baskov song)? Need to check the mistakes in English and it is desirable to correct them. I think article fits criteria WP:NSINGLE. The song took places in popular Russian charts. Dmitry Kiselyov wrote about the music video. Can it exist as stub in mainspace? — Vladlen Manilov ✉ / 04:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Writing for RIA Novosti, Dmitry Kiselyov called the music video "disgusting abomination". Abomination is a count noun; thus a disgusting abomination. But the problems with English in your draft are trivial. (Well done!) Does Kiselyov elaborate on the cause or nature of the disgust? (It's often amusing, and sometimes even of encyclopedic value, to learn which variety of old-person indignation we're looking at.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:23, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

"The duet of Philipp Kirkorov and Nikolai Baskov in the new Ibiza clip is not just bad taste. This is a disgusting abomination. The singers are docked in a filthy internet zone, and it looks like both of them enjoy floundering around there." (Дуэт Филиппа Киркорова и Николая Баскова в новом клипе Ibiza не просто дурновкусие. Это отвратительная мерзость. Певцы причалили в грязной зоне интернета, и, судя по всему, барахтанье там обоим доставляет удовольствие.) Maybe better translated as "disgusting filth" or "disgusting muck"? If I understood correctly, the first variant is not very suitable. — Vladlen Manilov ✉ / 05:46, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

The video is indeed worth a look. (With its celebration of stereotypes, it reminds me of "Slav Life". But I digress.) Anyway, I'll take a look at the wording. -- Hoary (talk) 06:08, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

So, do you think this can exist in the mainspace as stub? — Vladlen Manilov ✉ / 06:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Who better to expand it beyond a mere stub than you, Vladlen Manilov? There should be more to say here. What genre of pop music is it? Presumably the words are about Ibiza; but very simply, what do the words say about Ibiza (or anything else)? Is the song a satire of Ibiza, of stereotypes about Ibiza, about songs (or a particular song) about Ibiza, or some combination of these? The song is performed by the two of them; had they ever worked together before; have they worked together since? Was Pustovoy also pushed to apologize? I infer from the article Dmitry Kiselyov that the old chap has quite an obsession with homosexuality; was he upset by the almost-kiss, or by something else? Has only one prominent person complained, or have others done so too? The pair (more or less credibly) apologized for the song; did they specify which aspects of it? Does each of the pair (or does the pair) continue to perform it? -- Hoary (talk) 07:15, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll add some more information and write to you when need to check. — Vladlen Manilov ✉ / 07:28, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary, can you check again? Special:Diff/1048104403. — Vladlen Manilov ✉ / 07:56, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I have translated the rest of my article on the Russian Wikipedia. Kirkorov and Baskov recorded a joint duet for the first time in 20 years. Ibiza acts more like a chorus in the song. It is sung about a girl in love on this island. But the sources do not write about it. I've added some information to the "Reception" section. But it's also more about the video than about the song itself. Nothing is known about Pustovoi's apology. This is most likely also because they apologized for the video, and not for the words in the song. — Vladlen Manilov ✉ / 08:01, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

The lyrics in the song and the video are not connected in any way. — Vladlen Manilov ✉ / 08:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

It looks good, and I've therefore moved it to Draft:Ibiza (Philipp Kirkorov and Nikolay Baskov song) (the approved springboard for promotion to article status). -- Hoary (talk) 08:54, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

What should I do next? I don't know what else to add to the article yet. Similar to other drafts, do I need to submit a request somewhere to be reviewed? — Vladlen Manilov ✉ / 09:47, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

AFC redirect and category reviewing

Can I review redirect and category requests posted on AFC? I am extended confirmed, but am not an AFC draft articles reviewer or meet the 90/500 criteria. Starship SN20 (talk) 15:15, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Starship SN20: To start reviewing articles you need to get access to the AFC helper script, you can request access at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants. They are rather strict about the requirements, so if you don't meet the minimum edit count and account age it is highly unlikely that they will accept your application though. Perhaps apply in a couple of months? 192.76.8.74 (talk) 18:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Starship SN20 Actually, I don't believe you need to be an AfC reviewer to review redirects/categories. You do need to be familiar with WP:R and similar pages. Please see the instructions on WP:AFCRCR for how to review redirects. ― Qwerfjkl talk 10:07, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I am burdened with glorious purpose!

Hey! I'm an Afc reviewer. I recently put a Afc Draft up for review. Can I myself do the review? Gyan Know _{contributions?} 07:58, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I will be blunt. Since you gave us no information that allowed us to link to the review, my answer is clear - "You should not do the review". --Bduke (talk) 08:12, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Gyan.Know:You don't have to put your articles through AFC! If you've been trusted with the reviewer toolkit you can probably just be moving your articles to article space on your own. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 08:58, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Appears you have been creating articles directly into Mainspace, but for Draft:S8UL Esports decided to go through AfC. Given that situation, I agree 100% with Bduke - do NOT review your own AfC. David notMD (talk) 10:38, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

why did the page "Takeshi Nishimoto" get deleted?

Takeshi nishimoto (talk) 09:23, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Takeshi nishimoto Please see the earlier section you created. If you have further comment, please edit that existing section, instead of creating additional sections. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Could you please bring back the page? Takeshi nishimoto (talk) 09:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Takeshi nishimoto Please do not create a new section for every comment you make. You should edit the existing sections you created. This is easier to do in the full desktop version of Wikipedia, as the app and mobile versions do not have the same functionality. Scroll to the bottom and click "desktop" in your browser to switch versions. Please place your comments in the large edit window, not the smaller section header window. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Earlier today (See above) you were given an instruction on how to request an undeletion. David notMD (talk) 10:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

A Question

Aren't the images of the banknotes at the article Eastern Caribbean dollar copyright violations? Peter Ormond 💬 09:53, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: Possibly but this is a complex territory-specific area. As the images are hosted on Commons, you should ask at Commons:Village pump/Copyright, where the experts hang out. As the banknotes have QEII's image on them, I suspect they are UK Crown copyright. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:04, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Whatever the propriety of using the images (which are too low resolution to be used for nefarious purposes), I note that they have been uploaded by User:Subash05102001 as "Own work", which presumably* cannot be true as – from the Serial Number AD000000 shown on all of the denominations – they must be specimen images published by the relevant Authority.

(* Unless Subash05102001 is an official of the Eastern Caribbean Central Bank.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.207 (talk) 19:16, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: It turns out that User:Subash05102001 has uploaded dozens of such files from many different territories and they are now all being proposed for deletion at c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Subash05102001. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:55, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Chat

I know a lot about Fandom and Wikipedia. But I wanna know, what happens if someone uses inappropriate language in a chat? Agent K-Nova (talk) 16:35, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Agent K-Nova Assuming you mean a WP-discussion such as this, depending on context, reaction can go from nothing, someone saying "please don't", "please don't or you may be blocked", an admin saying "do that again and I'll block you", or an admin blocking you. See also WP:NLT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:42, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Agent K-Nova. I know very little about Fandom but I know a lot about Wikipedia. All conversations on Wikipedia should be about improving the encyclopedia. So "chatting" as usually understood is not acceptable on Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Agent K-Nova: Wikipedia is a bit different than Fandom. There's not just 1 page for general discussion about a topic that's not related to improving it. The closest thing to that would be Wikipedia's Discord server. On there you have to follow both Wikipedia's "rules" (really they're called policies and are completely optional to follow, but we prefer you do or you may be blocked) and Discord's rules and ToS. Depending on the language you use you'll either be just fine or be banned from the Discord server (most likely if you used a slur of some sort towards another editor which might get you blocked here too). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:21, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Can I edit a second article on my sandbox?

My sandbox is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Greg_Dahlen/sandbox. If you open it, you will see that it has an article draft about Emily Fan that was rejected by a Wikipedia user for inclusion in the encyclopedia. And it has the beginnings of an article about a dance magazine. However, when I work on the dance article and place citations on it, they get added to the Emily Fan article instead. I am wondering if there's a way to separate the articles on that sandbox so that when I place citations on the dance magazine draft they get added to that dance magazine article draft. Thanks. Greg Dahlen (talk) 11:34, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Greg Dahlen, you cannot separate articles within the same sandbox, however you can create separate articles within your userspace (by creating a page for each with the prefix User:Greg Dahlen/) for example: User:Greg Dahlen/Not Even Emily (Emily Fan) and User:Greg Dahlen/Dance Index. Let me know if you have any more questions. --Jack Frost (talk) 11:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Jack Frost. So if I finish the Dance Index article draft on the page you suggested, can I then go ahead and publish it in the encyclopedia? Or do I have to submit it for review? If the latter, how do I do so? Greg Dahlen (talk) 12:02, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Greg Dahlen, and welcome to the Teahouse. You don't have to submit it for review - you have the option of moving it direct to main space. But I advise you not to do this, as I don't think it is ready: on a quick look you don't seem to have any sources which meet all three of the requirements of being reliably published, independent of Fan, and having significant coverage of her - without all three of those, a source does not contribute to establishing notability. When you think it is ready, there is a "Resubmit" box at the top. --ColinFine (talk) 13:38, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Creating a hyperlink

Just updated some content but I don’t know how to hyper link something can you help please Jerseybean123 (talk) 13:39, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Jerseybean123: Hello Jersey! If you're talking about linking to another Wikipedia article, all you have to do is add [[ ]] around the name of the article you want to link to. Do note that the name of the article has to be exact or the name of an article that redirects to it (given the redirect name makes sense in the context it's being added in). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:42, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Article for Alma's Way

Added header. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you create an article for Alma's Way? Agent K-Nova (talk) 13:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Agent K-Nova Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid we're here to help people who need assistance in editing Wikipedia; we don't create articles on request. You could either attempt to find suitable sources to use as citations which demonstrate Notability of this topic and then create a draft article yourself, or you could make a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles, and hope someone might be interested in doing so. However there is a massive backlog there, so it's not something to pin your hopes on. You might like to follow our tutorial on how to edit Wikipedia and perhaps read this guidance page on creating articles yourself. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Use of Picture

I want to know if I can use your picture of a bell-H-13 helicopter in my book about my Vietnam Experience. 216.146.123.12 (talk) 14:34, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

In theory you could as long as you credit the original author. However some copyright issues might rise up with this so I'd wait for another editor with more experience in this kind of stuff to answer. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:38, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, much of Wikipedia's and Wikimedia Common's material may be re-used (even commercially), providing you follow the correct attribution that is required. Eacxh image will vary in its licencing, so you'll need to check out the source image for details. You can find guidance on reusing text content from Wikipedia at Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content, and for re-using images found on Commons at c:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. I hope this helps, and good luck with your book. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

My Added details and web reference on Animal: Black Panther

Hi I recently left an external link on the page Black panther, linking to information on the site fantasticwildlife.com. The content gives interetsing info on the sightings of the black panther. An editor, Bhagyamani removed the reference stating the site was a link to a promotion which simply is not true. There is some adsense banners on the site which is no more than that shown on the youtube link which remains on the page and the same as Businessinsider.in which has a link on the page. I get the feeling something underhanded is going on.

Please help.

Regards

Eddie Price LegalWitness (talk) 14:34, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@LegalWitness: Hello Legal! The adsense banners are not what's promotional. You might want to take a look at WP:RS and WP:SPAM (WP:SPAM was the closest thing I could find that relates to promotional sources). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:37, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@LegalWitness The problem with trying to use that particular source is that it is some form of user-compiled list of facts from other sources, and so cannot be regarded as reliable. It is effectively a one-person blog, with no editorial control, so the person writing it can say whatever they wish to, irrespective of whether it's correct or not. Thus, content from it should not be used to add factual statements to Wikipedia articles. The article on Black Panther (see here) does, to its credit, give a list of three sources used at the end. The best advice would be to follow those sources, assess how reliable they are (and IUCN is very reliable) and use content from such a site.

Likewise, if you were to be researching a topic from a Wikipedia article, you should still follow the cited sources to confirm that what you're reading on Wikipedia is, in fact, completely correct and based upon reliably-published information. I hope this helps you appreciate why your edit was reverted. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:50, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@LegalWitness: Please do not make another section on the exact same issue when you have been given advice already. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:56, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Since your only edits on Wikipedia thus far that I can see are attempts to add external links to small websites, one would assume you're working with a backlinking operation. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 15:37, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Rosa Faria says

Rosa Faria (talk) 10:24, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, as I don't speak Portuguese, I don't know what you want to say on your user page, Rosa Faria. However, thanks for wanting to contribute to Wikipedia here in English. Perhaps you could help WP:Translate some relevant articles but if so please follow the guidelines I've linked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:57, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rosa Faria, and bemvinda ao Teahouse. You seem to be trying to create an article in Portuguese on your User page in English Wikipedia. There are two problems with this: first, articles in English Wikipedia should be in English. You probably want the Portuguese Wikipedia. Secondly, your user page is not an appropriate place to create an article. In English Wikipedia, I would point you at your first article, but things might be organised differently in Pt Wikipedia. I suggest you ask for help at pt:Ajuda:Tire suas dúvidas. --ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Rosa Faria, User pages are not for the development of prospective new articles, like your content about digital resources in education. I've moved your content from your user page to User:Rosa Faria/sandbox. Also, if you have no intention of developing an article for Wikipedia, then you shouldn't be using Wikipedia as a web host. You can create a new User page for yourself by clicking here and adding new content appropriate to a User page if you wish. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 16:07, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Casualty theme music composer

Hi

I’ve posted this on Wikipedia but as here are so many requests to edit it I’m trying to contact someone to help me sort this quickly.

I am Ken Freeman, and I am the sole composer of the BBC Casualty theme music and my name is listed in the program credits. Another person, Jeremy Holland-Smith, is claiming to have written it too on the Wikipedia Casualty page under the Theme Music Composer heading. I have tried to edit him out several times but it keeps being reversed by CodingCyclone. (like this).

(Hello, I'm CodingCyclone. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Casualty (TV series) have been undone because they did not appear constructive)

Jeremy Holland-Smith did "score" the 30th anniversary episode incidental music but this is different to the theme or title music which is played at the beginning and end of every episode of the show.

I have emailed Jeremy Holland-Smith and his agent but I’ve received no reply.

Can you help? Topnote2000 (talk) 15:47, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Here is the edit, as far as I can tell. They did not add a source for this addition, so unless there is a reliable source for them composing the theme specifically and not just one episode, it should be removed. In the future, this should be brought up at the Talk Page of the article, so you can explain this reasoning to good-faith editors looking out for vandalism. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I've started a discussion and pinged the involved editors on the Talk Page. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:32, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I had putted some external links which are necessary

I had putted some external links which are necessary and they removed it. I don't know why. 223.225.121.53 (talk) 16:35, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

That IP address had made no edits before your question here. Which article were you editing, and from which account? --David Biddulph (talk) 16:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Nor do we, IP editor! Unless you tell us more or link to the article, or explain the edit better, we cannot advise you. Your IP address shows no other edit to Wikipedia. But external links are easily abused for promotional purposes, so it's possible that was the reason its addition was reverted. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:42, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

You might find an explanation in WP:external links , IP user. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Can JSTOR articles be used as article references?

I don't know if everyone reading a Wikipedia article has access to JSTOR to read a reference if they want to. Greg Dahlen (talk) 12:28, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Please see Wikipedia:JSTOR.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:07, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: Just to clarify. JSTOR is a repository for articles and books held now in digital form but originally published elsewhere. It is not itself a publisher of original work. Hence to give proper credit to authors, it is best to use references to the original work and only provide links to JSTOR as a convenience to readers. Although part of the Wikipedia library, not all readers will have access to it. For academic papers (the bulk of what is in JSTOR) the best link is the digital object identifier of the publication. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen See also WP:PAYWALL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:24, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft help

Requesting help for submission and editing of drafts (Agam Pandit) and (Deep Joshi (cricket). Thank you Howdyfreshhhhh (talk) 16:35, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Howdyfreshhhhh, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have submitted Draft:Agam Pandit and Draft:Deep Joshi (cricket) for review. But i the meantime, it would be worth improving the sourcing, as I don't think either one has much chance of being accepted at present. As far as I can see, not a single one of the references you have given in the Pandit draft will count towards establishing that he is notable, because the profiles are not independent (they come from his team) and none of the four references have significant coverage of him. --ColinFine (talk) 17:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Howdyfreshhhhh: I also suggest you fix the infobox on Draft:Deep Joshi (cricket) while you're waiting for review. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:26, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Disagreement over removal of sources

On List of Hulu original programming, some editors are removing sources citing a show that has already premiered. I understand that there is a precedent for this, but I feel like there is no valid rationale for it, and as such we should abandon said precedent. Furthermore, on the latest revert of my restoration of sources, an editor said "they did what is followed on this page (and all other programing pages btw...)", which I feel flies in the face of WP:OTHER.

So the question is: is it bad form to remove sources when moving "Upcoming programming" to "Current programming"? The Grand Delusion^{(Send a message)} 16:15, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, The Grand Delusion, and welcome to the Teahouse. Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the argument, repeatedly applying or reverting a change without discussing it with the other editors, is edit warring, and is regarded with disruptive editing. See BRD, and if you are unable to reach consensus with other editors, DR. Personally I'm hard pressed to understand why you would ever remove a reference unless it was an unsatisfactory reference (unreliable or didn't support the claimed information), or it was replaced with a better reference; but I haven't looked at the details of this case. --ColinFine (talk) 17:02, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I may be on the outside looking in here but it just seems off that we are adding upcoming programming to any article on media unless its found in reliable sources for some reason. It's one thing if it has already premiered or has become a regular occurring program. Seems this is a crystal ball kind of thing. It also seems promotional and even advertisement. That's just my high level observations. --ARose Wolf 18:45, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf: The entries were sourced, but sources were removed when the entry was moved to "Current programming". There was also an RfC from August 2015 that concluded that lists of upcoming programming are appropriate for inclusion provided that WP:RS and WP:NOTABILITY are followed strictly. The Grand Delusion^{(Send a message)} 18:55, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Completely different story if they are found in reliable sources and adhere to the notability requirements. --ARose Wolf 19:18, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

k. o. kin

47.19.3.38 (talk) 19:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP! Did you have a question you wanted to ask us? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Contents; hiding vs. suppressing

Hi, how can a Contents be presented in hidden or folded form rather than suppressed? Make it appear as "Contents [show]". In my observation __NOTOC__ suppresses.

Incidentally, Help:Section states "Hiding the TOC ... __NOTOC__ ..." whereas hiding and suppressing are distinct concepts.
Thanks, PeterEasthope (talk) 16:24, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@PeterEasthope: There should be an option to make it collapsible. Not exactly sure if this is true for the TOC as most of the time the TOC appears to be added automatically when there are multiple sections without a template (although I"m fairly sure a TOC template does exist). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Working in my sandbox. Now Contents appears folded. If it remains this way, nothing to complain about. =8~) Help:Section still needs clarification. =8~) Thx, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 16:55, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@PeterEasthope: No problem! Also the correct term would be collapsed, not folded, although I'm sure they mean similar things. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:54, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@PeterEasthope: Also your sandbox is at User:PeterEasthope/sandbox, the page you linked to is your Userpage on Wikibooks. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 19:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

advert masquerading as article

How do I suggest an article be deleted. The article is a favourable and detailed description of a product, with just a link to the company website. I am unfamiliar with any of this editing proccess Jgeddie (talk) 13:31, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

If you're confident that it's unsalvageable, you can add {{db-g11}} to it; this will tag it for the attention of administrators. "Speedy deletion in category G, reason 11: in its current form it serves only to promote or publicize an entity, person, product, or idea, and would require a fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic." DS (talk) 14:00, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Jgeddie If you are asking about Morrisby Profile, it has been an article since 2006. That is not a guarantee that it deserves to exist, but requesting a Speedy deletion may be a wrong route. Much of the content is not adequately referenced. Consider starting an Articles for Deletion proposal. The process is a bit difficult, so ask for help if you get stuck. David notMD (talk) 19:47, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Article radically shortened for reasons of copyright infringement (copying verbatim or near-verbatim from the Morrisby website). David notMD (talk) 20:08, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

October 2021

I moved a page to the draft space but a user has again created that article in the main space. So what should I do? Nitesh003 (TALK) 07:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC) Nitesh003 (TALK) 07:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

You have draftified several articles. Which is your query about? David notMD (talk) 07:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

This one SobuJ Ahmed. Nitesh003 (TALK) 07:35, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

From looking at contributions of Balpakna2021, an earlier version of this exists at Draft:SobuJ Ahmed and an expanded version at SobuJ Ahmed. I did see that you had moved the early version to draft. I suggest ignore the draft, as appears the creator is abandoning it. Given it now also exists as an article - with only one ref - I suggest either proposing it to Articles for Deletion or improving the article. David notMD (talk) 08:55, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: Article at AfD and creating User indef blocked for bad faith editing and suspicion of sockpuppetry. David notMD (talk) 20:09, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Question on Citing?

Hi! This is not my edit, but mrchongyun's for LGBT representations in hip hop music. They added a sentence and split the paragraph into two, but it was reverted due to a lack of source. Where exactly would the source be added though? I liked the edit, so I wanted to add it back with a citation.

Original: Another criticism arises from the perceived commercialization of LGBT representation by hip hop artists. A good example of this is with Nicki Minaj and her approach to presenting sexuality and sexual orientation.

Edited: Another criticism arises from the perceived commercialization of LGBT representation by hip hop artists. Similar to queerbaiting in media, the commercialization of LGBT representation is seen as a way to gain both a profit and an audience.

A good example of this is Nicki Minaj and her approach to presenting sexuality and sexual orientation. -

Thank you for the help! Please tell me if I formatted this comment wrong or something, I'm not the best at using Wikipedia. 65.128.134.57 (talk) 19:23, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the article but based on your comment, the addition introduces a comparison to "queerbaiting", so this is what would need to be sourced in order to introduce it; without one that's why it would have been reverted. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 19:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

So is it better to leave it as the original edit? I don't think you could even find a source for that. Thank you though! 65.128.134.57 (talk) 19:46, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

If you can't find a source for it then it shouldn't be added. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks to both of you! 65.128.134.57 (talk) 19:56, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

No problem! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:12, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Unable to publish article

Hi i tried to open a Wikipedia page for my own business but was saying i need to add sources to make it reliable. However all the information is reliable as it is coming from me so i don't have any source is there a way you can help me to get it published. Alinarifirenze (talk) 15:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Alinarifirenze: On Wikipedia, "reliable" refers to a specific thing. See WP:RS. Additionally, you have a Conflict of interest as you own the business.dudhhr_Contribs 16:04, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Alinarifirenze Sorry, but probably not. Unless you and/or your company have not been written about in detail and in depth by independent, high quality published sources (e.g. books, newspapers) then you/your company will fail to meet our Notability criteria. For your business, that would mean meeting this notability guideline would have to be met. Just understand that Wikipedia is not here to help people promote themselves or their businesses - only to collate encyclopaedic content on notable topics (see this). By way of an example, I am expert on a really nice chap called Nick Moyes - in fact, I know more about him than anyone else around. On that basis, would it be OK for me to write the article on Nick Moyes? I think not. What I say about him might be reliable (but it'll probably include an awful lot of hype, and totally miss out his three jail terms and that abusive relationship and drug-trafficking problem a while back). So, whilst I know a lot about me, no national newspaper or other media outlet has written enough about me to warrant an article about me. The same goes for everyone else and all the businesses on the planet except where the world at large has taken note of them. That's when Wikipedia can collate content from Reliable Sources (but not press releases or insider trading magazines) and then we can have an article about them. I'm sorry to disappoint you; I'm pretty gutted myself, too. All I could suggest is that you come back and give us the three best sources that show how your company meets WP:NCORP. If you're unable to do that, then that's the end of the matter (until such time as your business plans for world domination come to fruition!) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:39, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Alinarifirenze, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your wording "open a Wikipedia page for my own business" sounds as if you have a (very common) misunderstanding about Wikipedia, thinking it is a place to tell the world about your business. It is not. promotion of any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia. If at some point Wikipedia has an article about your business, the article will not belong to you, will not be under your control, will not be for your benefit, will not necessarily say what you would like it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with you have chosen to publish about your business in reliable sources, not on what you say or want to say. Please see An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 16:45, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Thinks: Holy shinola, are we jumping on some user because they have a COI with Alinari (of Florence)? And do we really not yet have an article on the latter? Yes we do have an article on the latter (Fratelli Alinari), as we should; what was very rightly zapped here was indeed "Unambiguous advertising or promotion in userspace" for some very different company. Sample: And today Florence remains the undisputed capital of Italian leather goods. That is why the most famous manufacturers of leather goods in Italy are based here. Alinari is no exception. Our company carries out the production of leather bags in a way which allows us to say “100% Made in Italy”. We are proud that our handbags are made in Florence by the best Tuscan craftsmen encompassing their long tradition. Incidentally, the article on Fratelli Alinari is mediocre; informed, referenced improvements would be welcome! -- Hoary (talk) 22:49, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

COI? How to determine....

@GoingBatty and anyone else. =) I created an article that some of you helped me with. I wrote it about someone who works at my same educational institution and whose work I definitely admire. @GoingBatty thought I might have written it about myself (I WISH I was that talented and prolific!!) so sent me the COI guidelines. Though I am not Bryonn Bain, I DO know(ish) him. I don't work for him and am certainly not paid a penny to put this much time (or any time) into drafting a wikipedia page. I just saw he didn't have one and thought he should. And then I became determined to do it right since it kept getting deleted. Earlier drafts included charts of his filmography and discography. I'd like to re-submit those and can't tell whether I have a COI. From reading what @GoingBatty sent, I don't seem to BUT maybe out of an abundance of caution, and because I do work with this person (though, there are at least 60,000 people at my institution), I should follow COI protocol?? Iedit4life (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Iedit4life, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is never any harm in making explicit our relationship with the subject of an article, so that other editors can make their own judgment about the particular case. In my view, "Conflict of interest" occurs if the answer to the question "Is there a reason why I might - even unconsciously - prioritise depicting this subject in a good (or bad) light, over Wikipedia's requirement of neutrality?". Obviously this is most likely to occur with a business associate or close relative; but it could also occur in a case like "I really like this artist and I want to get them known!". I would have thought that working in the same place and knowing the person a little would not go over that threshold, but again, being open about that should clear up any difficulties. On a slighty different, but related, note, I urge you to drop completely the thought of "he didn't have one and he should": while we loosely talk about "so and so's article", I think this is inclined to mislead us: nobody in the entire universe "has" a Wikipedia article - not even Jimmy Wales. Wikipedia has articles about six million subjects, but those articles do not belong to their subject and are not in any way for their subject's benefit. --ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: properly pinging as they seem to be the subject of this "question". ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:28, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine THANK YOU! Very helpful. I get it - and I am certainly a fan of the work so I will disclose that for sure. And thank you for the guidance on language! There's a nuance there that I'd like to help correct as opposed to perpetuate the misunderstanding. Thanks again! Iedit4life (talk) 23:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Is there a place on Wikipedia to mark of favorite Wikipedia page that one finds helpful?

Is there a place on Wikipedia to mark or save a page one finds helpful in wikipedaLassA5A345 (talk) 22:54, 4 October 2021 (UTC) LassA5A345 (talk) 22:54, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@LassA5A345: Hello Lass! The closest thing to this ability is your watchlist. You can also simply just add the link to the page on your userpage so you don't lose it. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

coding/ templates

hello, i want to learn more about templates and how can i make them, is there any guidance to know more about how wikipedia's code working, Moreover i think modules depend on javascript also i want to learn both about Modules and Templates codes if possible thank you. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 23:47, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sakura emad. Unsurprisingly, you can find the information you want at Help:Template. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:52, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328 i know this page, i thought there might be more than just one page. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 23:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Modules depend on Lua, Sakura emad. --ColinFine (talk) 00:03, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine Great now Help:Template and Lua Pages enough for me to understand sufficiently about how they works? and be able to make my own? —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 00:06, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Sakura emad, there are many wikilinks in those two pages to more in-depth coverage of the techniques. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

well done

, thank you both @ColinFine @Cullen328

i really appreciate your helps. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 00:12, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Sakura emad, you may also find Lua (programming language) and its links helpful. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Cullen³²⁸: oh

of course it will be helpful, i will look into them. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 00:25, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

it was so helpful so i just saved this section as a reminder. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 00:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Can I get any of these titles

Hello senior editors by watching my contributions can you say that I can get any of Wikipedia:User access levels or not? Thanx२ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 00:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC) २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 00:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

hello @२ तकर पेप्सी i will say your next Right will be Extended confirmed if your account meet the requirements

A registered editor becomes extendedconfirmed automatically when the account is both at least 30 days old and has made at least 500 edits (including deleted edits

—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 01:14, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Timothy Heffner

How do I properly get a photograph donated so that it doesn't violate any copyrights? Is there a Wikipedia form to accomplish this? Pghmedicine (talk) 01:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pghmedicine. Please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. There is little room for error in these procedures. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I want to add genre, why does it get removed?

I wanted to change the genre of the song Can't Be Tamed, because it's obviously an EDM song (that's what it says in comopistion section as well) but it got removed. Why? Another thing...Miley Cyrus reffers herself as she/her also seen at her albums She is Coming/Miley Cyrus & Her Dead Petz etc. Someone however edited her main page in wikipedia as they/them. PLease edit that! Danielmusiclover (talk) 08:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

The place to discuss an article, and resolve your content dispute, is on the article's talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

My article been continously declining

Hi, I published an article it been continuously declining the error is that the article is not appears in formal format. I already read that formal article but still it's keep on showing the same error and declining after the changes. Pradhuman Barmera (talk) 05:05, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Ramveer_Tanwar Hi @Pradhuman Barmera This draft has multiple issues other than formal tone:-

Information style and tone: Every article should be written in an encyclopedic tone. You've made few changes but they are not enough. Other senior editors can tell you more about this.
Lack of inline citation: Every statement in Wikipedia should be supported by independent, reliable, published sources. See Help:Referencing for beginners to learn how to add citations to an article. There are lot of articles of him by multiple news outlets. Example [6] [7]. You just have google his name and click on the news tab.
Courtesy link: commons:File:Ramveer_tanwar_2.jpg I don't think you can use this image on Wikipedia. It looks like you have photoshopped an existing image and you're not the copyright owner of this image.

Please don't resubmit the draft again until you are sure that you've addressed all the issues, otherwise this draft will likely get deleted. Eevee01^(talk) 08:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Your draft has been declined eight times, by eight different reviewers. There appears to be a consensus among experienced reviewers that Ramveer Tanwar does not meet Wikipedia's requirements for notability about a living person. WP:TOOSOON may apply here. Per what Eevee01 wrote if you resubmit it at this time it is likely to be deleted and 'salted,' meaning that permission from an Administrator would be required to start over with a new draft. I recommend copying all content to a computer and then abandoning the draft. If the draft is inactive for six months it will be deleted. If, a year or two from now, Tanwar's efforts to save ponds becomes a larger program, you can try again. David notMD (talk) 09:18, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Notice

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but here it is:

Hello, I'm 54nd60x. I was actively editing Wikipedia since late January, however I have not become as active since July 16, 2021. To be honest, I really love Wikipedia and am grateful for all editors who work hard to keep this encyclopedia a great place. However, I realized that it may be the time for me to take a wikibreak now and to become active in other activities as well. I may come back to edit one day, or I may be editing from time to time. I may still check notifications daily, but currently I don't have a plan to continue my active editing. I was also active on Taiwan Rail Transport Wiki, a wiki requested and largely edited by me, which I am also planning to take a break on. However, there is still a probability I will come back to start actively editing some day, which I currently don't know when. I know the users who are reading this may want me to keep editing here. I really want to keep editing as well, but am just trying to see if a wikibreak will be helpful.

When Taiwan Rail Transport Wiki was created on July 17, 2021, I was quite active there and planned to invite everyone to edit there as soon as I had enough articles. Currently, I don't think I have met my goal. As the "founder" there, I know I will probably become inactive, but I don't want my wiki to close down. If you want to come edit my website, please go there and edit. If you're not interested in it, it's totally okay. I know that my wiki may be centered on one topic, but you can also use it as a reference for information on Wikipedia. My wiki isn't complete, but I am confident it will be complete some day and I can look at all the great work that came out of it. I know I've wanted to be a software developer some day and keep my website active for a long time, but I really feel I need a break now. I feel kind of bad to become inactive on Wikipedia knowing that I could've benefitted Wikipedia in many ways.

However, there is still a probability that I will come back to edit here! And know that I will be active in many activities as well. As of writing this, I play on Fortnite sometimes and am a fan of the Dhar Mann YouTube channel. My interests may continue to change, but know that I still may edit here one day! After all, Wikipedia is Wikipedia because of so many people editing here. I want to thank all the editors here on Wikipedia for making this website a better place. Editing here was a great experience for me, and I am just thinking of trying something new. It isn't like I'm quitting or retiring from here, I'm just taking a break and may come back soon. You can always email me if you have a Wikipedia email or you may post on my talk page as well, although I don't check my email very often. I will always remember my experience editing here and thank you to all who have contributed to Wikipedia! 54nd60x (talk) 11:15, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

54nd60x Hello, if you see this, it would be better placed on your user talk page. You don't need to remove it from here, though. 331dot (talk) 11:17, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Shortcut(s)

Going back to this discussion – @Timtempleton: WP:NVENUE sounds like a valid redirect. I will also make WP:NSTADIUM as well. Does this sound OK? Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:38, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: Both sound fine. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Editing in a accidental matter

Hello! I'm pretty new and I tried to edit the "Computing" area where all of the PC's are located. I tried to edit in steam deck into it but then a bot removed it. I am worried that I may get banned. What should I do? LeggoMyEggoNOW (talk) 15:29, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

LeggoMyEggoNOW Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You won't get blocked or banned(blocks and bans are different) for a single mistake. I think the bot detected the twitter link that you added as spam or vandalism; Twitter is rarely considered a reliable source due to being made up of self-published comments. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. 331dot (talk) 15:33, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I see. I thought that the twitter link was for Terraria but IG i was wrong LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL thx and see ya around buddy chum pla friend chippity choppity your role is now my property amigo home slice bread slice LeggoMyEggoNOW (talk) 15:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

im dumb 15:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC) LeggoMyEggoNOW (talk) 15:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

How long until a new post goes up?

Watkinse22 (talk) 15:12, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Watkinse22 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You created an article, but it was moved to draft space due to needing work, but it also lacks the information needed to submit it for review(that information is provided if you use Articles for Creation). I will shortly add it, but you will want to make sure that the concerns have been addressed. 331dot (talk) 15:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Are you sure about it being moved from mainspace to draft? Wasn't it merely moved to a more appropriate draft title? --David Biddulph (talk) 15:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct; pardon my error. In any event, it can now be submitted for a review. 331dot (talk) 15:42, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi am i able to publish a new page entirey?

Wikiwriter36826 (talk) 16:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@Wikiwriter36826: Assuming that you mean the draft in your sandbox here User:Wikiwriter36826/sandbox, I'd strongly recommend you don't try to publish this into Main Space as it has all sorts of problems. Writing new articles that meet Wikipedia standards is remarkably difficult for beginners. Please read help on your first article and in particular recognise that we insist that the subject for any article meets pretty stringent requirements to show notability. For biographies of living people there are even stricter rules. Nevertheless, welcome and thanks for trying to improve the encyclopaedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Creating templates

Hi, I am quite new to this universe and created 6 articles. I sometimes get confused about the templates. So, can the admins teach me easily and understandable that how do I create a template? DelowerHossain554 (talk) 10:33, 5 October 2021 (UTC) DelowerHossain554 (talk) 10:33, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@DelowerHossain554: Welcome to the Teahouse! There are many Wikipedia users who are not admins that could help you. If you could provide more details about why you want to create a template, we can provide a better response - or maybe point you to an existing template. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Error in Requests for adminship/Cydebot

Lua error in this page. Also the page seems to be open and not closed. Would be helpful if somebody looked into it. Interesting Geek (talk) 04:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@Interesting Geek: That was a rather poor (IMO) attempt at an April Fool's page that has not been edited since 1 April 2021. I'd be inclined to leave it as it is, since it is more-or-less WP:NOT. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Reference help

FYI

– Added section header. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:32, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

How can I make a reference correctly? Agent K-Nova (talk) 16:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

You'll find advice at Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to make a reference. I looked at referencing for beginners, but it still didn't work. Can you help? Agent K-Nova (talk) 16:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

In the error message in Draft:Alma's Way the words "help page" are in blue, indicating that they are a wikilink to specific guidance on that error. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

You had not 'closed' one of the refs with a /ref. I fixed it. David notMD (talk) 17:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Symptoms and cures for gout?

71.211.176.172 (talk) 14:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello. This place is for asking questions related to using Wikipedia. Wikipedia cannot offer medical advice, for legal reasons. Please consult a qualified medical professional for medical questions. 331dot (talk) 14:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Did you read the Gout article? David notMD (talk) 14:50, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

CONTACT YOUR DOCTOR. We cannot and will not offer medical advice. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 18:39, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Definition of Unreleased Film

I think that I know the answer to this question, but am asking because evidently there is some good-faith confusion about it. The question is what is meant by an unreleased film. If the film has a future release date, is it still an unreleased film? I reviewed and declined Draft:Escape from Hat, saying that it was an unreleased film, and said please resubmit when the film is released. There was a reply saying that it is not an unreleased film because it has a release date in 2022. Either I am mistaken as to what is meant by an unreleased film, or a new editor is mistaken as to what is meant by an unreleased film. Will someone else please clarify? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

If the release date is in the future it is still unreleased. However the main point should actually be that an unreleased film has not yet been seen and commented on by professional critics - which is normally the main thing that makes a movie notable. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:58, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes. I know. Thank you. I know. And the film notability guidelines are poorly written with respect to films that have been produced and not yet released, and I have been subject to personal attacks because I have tried to say that unreleased movies have not been reviewed by film critics. Some producers and directors and actors and animation studios have ultras, fanatical fans who always want articles about their upcoming films. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:13, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Unreleased means either no set release date or a release date in the future. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:13, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Can disclosed paid editors participate in AfDs on articles they've created?

Apologies if there's an answer to this somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it. WP:PE says that paid editors "you must not act as a reviewer of affected article(s) at AfC, new pages patrol or elsewhere," but there's no mention of AfD. Is it appropriate/allowed for a paid editor to participate and/or !vote in an AfD discussion for an article they created? Thanks! BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 16:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 17:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

BubbaJoe123456, I think that it is entirely appropriate for somebody who has contributed to an article to participate in an AFD about that article, whether they are paid or not (as long as their paid status is properly declared). --ColinFine (talk) 17:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

FYI - The process is not strictly a vote. An Administrator reads all comments and makes a decision. David notMD (talk) 19:17, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Possible impersonation; best course of action

Hello Teahouse, looking for some guidance here on possible account impersonation. I edit a lot of American legislator articles, and have interacted with User:KolbyJHarris more than a few times. They edit Montana-related political articles, and have made some great edits. On September 15th, an account named User:KolbyJHarris1 was created.

TLDR, recenty created User:KolbyJHarris1 has started editing articles previously edited by User:KolbyJHarris. I thought it was possible that KolbyJHarris created a new account because they forgot their password, so I provided them with some links for password recovery on User talk:KolbyJHarris1. KolbyJHarris1 did not explicitly acknowledge anything and just responded with "Thank you!" KolbyJHarris has since replied that they are not KolbyJHarris1. I don't see any explicit acts of impersonation, and I don't know the rationale at all behind the naming scheme of KolbyJHarris1, but it just seems like spade-like impersonation and a false doppelgänger. Hoping to find the best course of action on this. Thanks!

KolbyJHarris (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
KolbyJHarris1 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
--PerpetuityGrat (talk) 19:21, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

You could probably immediately report them to WP:UAA as impersonation. I'm not actually sure what some of the reasons to report a user to UAA are as I haven't done it yet because I haven't needed to. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Just took a quick look, it would be misleading username. I can do it for you if you'd like. @PerpetuityGrat: ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:25, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: appreciate your quick response here, I almost pinged you since you've been helpful to me in the past and are active here. I'll file the report since I've interacted with them both. Thanks! --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 19:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@PerpetuityGrat: For a second I thought you said you nearly pinged me in the comment you just made and I was about to say, "well I mean, you did just ping me". No problem though! Happy to help you! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: nah, I almost pinged you in the original post to get your input. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 19:32, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@PerpetuityGrat: ah alright. You could've asked me on my talk page if you wanted my input first and then if I couldn't give you an answer then you could've asked here. But asking here is fine regardless. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Question re notability requirements for creative persons

I would like to write an article about an artist who is mentioned in many books--sometimes casually and sometimes in depth--and had many exhibits. He was well-known for a period, being part of the New York School, but never as famous as Picasso or Kandinsky, etc., though many artists of that caliber were close friends of his. I can provide citations and quotes from books, posters from his exhibits, and articles written about him, but none of these are to be found on the internet, only in published materials.

Must there be links on digital platforms or online articles to satisfy notability requirements for a Wikipedia entry to be created? If so, I would not know how to proceed. Would I have to first create links on digital platforms about the artist?

This would be my first attempt at a Wikipedia entry, and there is much I do not know. (Actually, I hardly know anything!)

Thanks.

Arlene Baker Baker eliz (talk) 20:09, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Baker eliz, sources do not have to be online, just from reliable publishers and independent of the person. See WP:Source. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Baker eliz: Welcome to the Teahouse! Reliable published sources do not have to be online. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. I suggest you review Help:Introduction and Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure to learn about editing, and get some experiencing improving existing articles first. Then, if the artist meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability", then gather your sources and follow the instructions at Help:Your first article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, StarryGrandma and GoingBatty! Baker eliz (talk) 22:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I am quitting Wikipedia for good, how do I notify users of my absence

Recently I have been experiencing anxiety and general boredom, such; I have lost interest in editing this website. I would like to notify users of my absence to prevent them from contacting me, are there any thing I need/can do to clear my footsteps? Pink Saffron (talk) 00:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Template:Retired on your user talk page is an option. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:04, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pink Saffron: I'm a bit confused as to why you added copypasta to the Teahouse (which has been removed) when you're leaving. Still, Jeske's (stupid special characters) answer is the best. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:09, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

It is also a good idea to disable the "email me" in your preferences. Thanks for your past editing. MarnetteD|Talk 00:10, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I don't really know, I was just plainly bored. I'm leaving now. Bye! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pink Saffron (talk • contribs) 00:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Moving Draft from Sandbox to Live Environment

I have finished drafting my article in sandbox: Kathog Rigzin Chenpo Padma Wangchen Rinpoche

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Danhuan/sandbox#Kathog_Rigzin_Chenpo_Padma_Wangchen_Rinpoche

I need to move this article to live environment. There isn't any drop-down box next to the search box in my Sandbox for me to make the option to move it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danhuan (talk • contribs) 04:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Danhuan: You can't manually move pages because you aren't autoconfirmed yet. Even if you were, the draft is not suitable to be moved into the mainspace yet because it doesn't show that the subject is notable. Quoting WP:NPERSON, you must include "multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject". Please follow Wikipedia's referencing format at Help:Referencing for beginners, and do not include inline external links to the body of the article, especially when they are wikis that can be freely edited by other people (Baidu Baike, Rigpa Wiki, etc). Most pictures on the internet do not have a compatible license to be uploaded onto Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, so I've nominated your image for speedy deletion. I recommend completing The Wikipedia Adventure if you are unfamiliar with editing on Wikipedia, and don't hesitate to come back here if you have questions on how to improve your draft further. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 04:46, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Please help me get this article approved.

I have been working on this article for months and I am having a really hard time getting it approved. Can you please give me some advice on what I need to add so I can get this accepted finally. I appreciate all the help. Jsondg (talk) 00:45, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

You've been told repeatedly that This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject [...]. Well, make sure that the draft reflects significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about Jones in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of Jones. (If I misunderstand your request, please explain.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Using a primary source to dispute a reliable secondary source?

I created the page Creative Community for Peace. It's a work in progress, and I'm well aware that we should always attempt to use reliable secondary sources whenever possible.

An article in the Forward from 8 years ago said: "CCFP also disputes the use of the term “occupation”...'[8]

The article gave no explanation for how the reporter came to that conclusion. In looking through a ton of news articles in order to create the page, I found no other source that made the same claim.

I then looked on the group's website. They take no policy position on the occupation, and among the very few mentions of the word "occupation" on the website (17 total via google search), one staff member used the word occupation without any equivocation:

"As an Israeli, I recognize that the ongoing occupation of the Palestinian people is a long-term threat to my country’s well-being."[9]

I'm not looking for any definitive determinations. And I'm waiting for the other guy who has been helping write the article to see if he can possibly find another source which concurs. I'm just looking for some advice.

Might it be reasonable to write the Forward info as opinion instead of fact based on it's age and lack of corroboration (e.g. In 2013, an article in Forward said....)?
Might it be reasonable to include a quote from the group's website which seems to dispute this claim, without writing any judgments about it (e.g. In 2016, a CCFP staff member wrote in an article on their website, ".......")?

-- Bob drobbs (talk) 01:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Bob drobbs: I'm not familiar with either CCFP or The Forward, but it seems like the former is right wing and the latter is left. As you proposed, in-text attribution is appropriate, but you can probably shorten it to just "The Forward said...". Do not include the group's text because you are interpreting that as a response when the two articles aren't related (WP:SYNTH). You have to be really careful with contentious subjects like these. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:17, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Article decline

Rahulbharti11 (talk) 06:35, 6 October 2021 (UTC) hi i wrote a article for my client i am new here plaese help what changes i need to do

@Rahulbharti11: DISCLOSE. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:36, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Rahulbharti11: Also, your draft's (English-language) sources are all worthless and the draft is not properly sourced even if they weren't garbage. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:40, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Rahulbharti11, I've deleted it as blatant advertising. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and informs its readers; if you want to make people think that Krishna Chaturvedi is wonderful, you might try writing for PR Newswire or some similar website. -- Hoary (talk) 07:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding a line between these things

Heeyy, I'm making a edit and I have an issue, I want to add a line between those 2 free spaces, because they're for 2 different vehicles. Space right to Around 5 and Unknown, the line ends there and I need it to end at the actual end. Lavitc (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Lavitc, you've posted a png file, and said you want a line added. I assume this is an image of a part of a table somewhere, and you want the line added to the table. Can you tell us where the table is? Maproom (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2021 (UTC)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Investigation_and_Protection_Agency There. Vehicles tab — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavitc (talk • contribs) 21:11, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I think I've done what you want. I ensured that all the rows had a fifth column by adding " || " to the end of those that didn't. Maproom (talk) 21:36, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Lavitc, could you check the last sentence of the "Equipment" section of that article? I suspect vandalism. Maproom (talk) 21:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I haven't noticed that and it wasn't made by me, I'm just doing the vehicles/small arms thingy. Thanks for noticing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavitc (talk • contribs) 07:37, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Accuracy of the mill town article

I have just been looking at the mill town article and saw some nice history but then I noticed a very big geographic error on it. Under the Lancashire towns 1832-1962, which had been left unchecked. Glossop a town in Derbyshire was in that table when it clearly said Lancashire mill towns.

So I've removed it from the table, explained my edit summary and commented on the talk page. You cannot citation that because it's a well known and accepted fact that Glossop is in Derbyshire east Midlands not greater Manchester north West England.

So I wanted to ask could other editors please take a look at the UK section of mill towns and double check my edit was with good reason. Because it's wrong to mislead readers on a county and including a town which was never in that county ever. Just because it has borders with tameside and Cheshire doesn't make Glossop part of the Lancashire mill towns. DragonofBatley (talk) 18:11, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@DragonofBatley: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to make it better. Wikipedia articles reflect what is shown in published reliable sources. Please find a source for the change you want to make and then discuss it on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:13, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm going to partially disagree with RudolfRed here, DragonofBatley. Material added to articles should be verifiable by reliable sources, but removing material that is incorrect doesn't require a source. Glossop is very clearly in Derbyshire, so I don't see why it would have been included in that table at Mill town#Spindleage of Lancashire mill towns producing spun cotton between 1830 and 1962. That said, the table is sourced to this book and it would be good to get access to it to see how this has come about. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:32, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

It seems from the snippet of the table that's visible, Glossop is included in the source. I now wonder if the table in the Wikipedia article is mislabeled when it suggests it's for Lancashire only. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I think I've solved the mystery. When the table was first added, it was titled "Spindleage of major mill towns between 1830 and 1962". Later, J3Mrs changed it from "major mill towns" to "Lancashire mill towns". I believe that Glossop and the original title (or a better title) should be restored. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Makes sense. Apart from Glossop being in Derbyshire, Hyde, Stockport, & Stalybridge were Cheshire, not Lancashire. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:50, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone, for tracking down the problem and clarifying and correcting my answer. RudolfRed (talk) 19:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

In hindsight, your advice wasn't far off, RudolfRed. I'd say that rather than needing a source for the removal, what was required was close inspection of the cited source (but that's not always easy when it's not fully online). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I see that since this discussion, DragonofBatley has also removed Stockport from the table on the grounds of its not being in Lancashire. I have reinstated both Glossop and Stockport, and reverted the title of the table to its original more inclusive version. This seems a better solution. PamD 07:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@PamD: unfortunately that hasn't resolved the issue in the sense of adding Greater Manchester. Because towns like Accrington Burnley Blackburn Preston Glossop and Chorley are not part of Greater Manchester nor previously. So I've added large mill towns. I've addressed it for just keeping it simple using large mill towns as these towns and cities are large. If there's an issue with it maybe a concensus should be reached and more work done on the mill town article.

It was actually me who changed the table's title, DragonofBatley. I don't think "large mill towns" works as it doesn't specify a region, whereas the table clearly doesn't include all large mill towns anywhere. Greater Manchester is in the source title, but perhaps that's being used very loosely. Ideally, we'd access the source to see how the table is captioned there. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: thanks for your response, if I'm honest I don't see the need for that additional table as above all Lancashire Yorkshire Cheshire Derbyshire towns and cities are already in a table above. So I fail to be honest to see what this other table adds to be honest seems to be just to see how much wool or cotton was spun between 1800's and 1900's? Maybe the table should be either removed or maybe the towns woollen amounts in captions in the other table? I'm not completely aware with mill towns but know the other table seems to be a pointless addition but rather reach a concensus on the removal or addition to it. (DragonofBatley (talk) 07:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC))

@DragonofBatley: This teahouse isn't really the place to discuss whether the table belongs in the article. It illustrates dramatically the increase and decline in cotton spinning, which to me appears 100% relevant to the idea of mill towns. If you want to remove it, discuss on the article's talk page to allow other interested editors to contribute PamD 08:59, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Semiprotecting pages of UFC Events

It is well know that the results of UFC events are often subject to vandalism. Wouldn't it be better to semi-protect the articles right away to allow only registered users to edit. Most of these fake edits come IP accounts. Registered users would get banned if they do anything spooky. I posted this suggestion in WT:WikiProject Mixed martial arts . but was doubtful for a response as it is quite inactive. I am not a highly experienced editor. Just thought of giving a suggestion to the hosts here.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 09:43, 6 October 2021 (UTC) Atlantis77177 (talk) 09:43, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Atlantis77177 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This sort of suggestion would be better placed at the Village Pump proposals area. That said, articles are not protected pre-emptively, there must be a demonstratable problem with vandalism. If this is a habitual, intractable issue, the arbitration committee may need to be approached about placing some sort of sanctions or special rules when editing about UFC topics. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

He is a very stylish, very sweet man, a very funny man, this is his title.

He is a very stylish, very sweet man, a very funny man, this is his title. Riaxwalker4 (talk) 02:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Riaxwalker4: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question to ask about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:53, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Riaxwalker4 is apparently referring to himself according to the image caption at User:Riaxwalker4. If you are trying to write an autobiography then see Wikipedia:Autobiography. If you only intend to write it on your user page then see Wikipedia:User pages#What may I have in my user pages? PrimeHunter (talk) 03:51, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

You are using a biography format for your User page, which is not allowed. From information you have there, it is obvious that you do not qualify as Wikipedia-notable, hence no potential to have an article about you. Please delete everything on your User page and learn how to improve existing articles. The Wikipedia Adventure is a useful tutorial. David notMD (talk) 10:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Margery Withers artist

Margery Withers artist. Hello, I am the great-niece of this artist and have made some revisions to the previous entry on Wikipedia which had some notable mistakes, in particular her birth date which, based on her birth certificate, I have amended to 1890. However, I notice that she is still listed in 1894 Category, and I have no idea how to change this. I am doing research started by my mother for a fuller biography of Aunty Marge and though I have been a professional journalist and editor, with a sound training in fact checking, I do not know how to navigate Wikipedia very well. Grateful for your help. W O WithersFamily (talk) 08:54, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

WithersFamily Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would ask you to pleae visit either Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to request a username change; your username suggests that any member of your family could operate this account, when accounts are for specific people only. You do not need to use your real name, just something unique to you. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy Margery Withers. After you effect a change to your User name, keep in mind that unpublished documents (including her birth certificate, letters, etc.) cannot be used as references. There is also a conflict-of-interest issue, which another Teahouse host can explain better than I. David notMD (talk) 09:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@WithersFamily: Since you have a conflict of interest (COI), you should not be editing the article directly. Instead, you should declare your COI on your user page and post your suggestions on the article talk page Talk:Margery Withers with the {{request edit}} template (or use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:29, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

On a separate note, many of the refs are to scans of newspaper articles. Would someone care to weigh in on whether these are copyright infringements? David notMD (talk) 09:47, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Looks like they're all from links to nla.gov.au, the National Library of Australia. As far as I can tell, most of the articles are probably still under copyright, but the library has permission to digitize and show them. I think we're in the clear. By the way, I found that when viewing an article in their viewer, one of their citation options is a full {{cite news}} citation! That's awesome! --rchard2scout (talk) 12:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Yo

yo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil Fillibuster Fibbs Jr. (talk • contribs) 09:59, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Phil Fillibuster Fibbs Jr. Hello. Do you need any help with problems editing Wikipedia? This is what the Teahouse is here for. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:59, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Question about removing content from talk pages

Hi. I am not extremely new to Wikipedia but I wasn't sure which forum this would belong on, so if it is misplaced, please let me know. I am a member of WP:RCP and reverted an new edit which was made without a reference. After leaving a message on the user's talk page with information about how to cite material, I received a message on my talk page from the user which was very rude and contained profanity. My question is: can I remove that message as I don't particularly like it being there on my talk page? The relevant policy says I can edit other users comments for "archival" purposes, but I don't know if that includes deletion. Thanks, --Lenny Marks (talk) 12:35, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you can delete it from your talk page. (Your deleting it will be seen as an acknowledgment that you've read it.) Maproom (talk) 12:41, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lenny Marks I have blocked the offending editor for 48 hours for unacceptable personal attack upon you, and explained that they need to collaborate and discuss their concerns, and not resort to insults. Thank you for responding politely to them, however. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:10, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Maproom, @Nick Moyes; thank you both for your help and prompt response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lenny Marks (talk • contribs)

I think I did another thing wrong L

Firstly, how does banning work? Secondly, I dependently and wrongfully said I'd post a link to my youtube, will I get liked muted or something like that? Third and finally: how do I used thanks to say thanks to whoever replies? MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM yum yum yum kromer LeggoMyEggoNOW (talk) 13:50, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@LeggoMyEggoNOW: On Wikipedia most of the time, what you think of bans are called blocks. They're usually only issued as a preventative measure and not as punishment. Posting a link to your Youtube channel can be seen as advertising which isn't allowed and you'll most likely be warned for it and if you continue with it you will get blocked. All you have to do to thank someone is either give them Wikilove or simply just press the thanks button and say yes when it asks if you're sure you want to thank someone. Also, I'd recommend not adding seemingly random stuff as it's seen as spam which can also get you warned. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:55, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) LeggoMyEggoNOW First, banning is generally a time-bound thing decided by administrators based on the severity of the disruptive behaviour and can be appealled if there's sufficient evidence the behaviour will change. Second, You won't get muted or anything similar for that but a link to a personal youtube video will likely be removed as unreliable source except for some very narrow circumstances. Third, if you view the diff of the edit you want to thank someone for, there should be an option there to thank them, just click it and then click "yes" afterwards. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 13:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

PNC BANK CAMERAFIEND

I can not find a bit of information on Wikipedia about PNC Smart Access accounts and or affiliation with PNC Bank. There should be something don't you think? I have an account and honestly it's horrible but it amazes me to read all kinds of information about PNC but no mention of PNC Smart Access accounts at all. Contact me if possible, well I tried pla in my email but it won't allow me too.. I couldn't find a way to send a messages to you..guess I will come.back here somehow or maybe update the PNC wiki if you could camerafiend I seen you were the last to update and was curious as to what you thought. Thanks. 2603:6011:9E01:A85A:D140:D608:4259:A9E (talk) 14:05, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Camerafiend made only one minor edit to PNC Financial Services, so reaching out to that editor is useless. You can edit the article yourself, but any content changes require reliable source references. David notMD (talk) 14:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

WHERE IS WIKIPEDIA HEADQUARTERS?

2601:249:8301:3B90:7124:988D:4124:75F (talk) 15:13, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP! First, please don't shout, second, there technically is no Wikipedia HQ as you say. However assuming you're wondering where Wikipedia is based, it appears to be San Francisco. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:17, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no "headquarters" as it is simply a website. However, the non-profit that owns and hosts the site, the Wikimedia Foundation's head office is in San Francisco, California. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

can i just remove a reference if link doesn't work?

In the article Meg Wolfe, when I try to open footnote one, it says it took too long to respond. Should I just remove this footnote? Greg Dahlen (talk) 14:30, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: Hello Greg! I attempted to open the link and it simply just said that there may have been a typo so I would say it is perfectly acceptable to remove the reference if you can't find an archive of it as the reference is there to prove the information to the left of the reference. If the reference doesn't work then it is unable to prove the information it's being used for. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:32, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Blaze The Wolf. What do you mean when you say find an archive of it? Greg Dahlen (talk) 14:37, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Greg Dahlen: I'm going to disagree with some of what Blaze says here, the best option is to search the Internet Archive (Wayback Machine) for an archived version or add the {{deadlink}} to the reference if it is in fact dead to allow someone some time to potentially find a replacement. Removing a reference is always a last resort. In this case the reference was doing something very strange and adding an extra www. to the address and then when corrected the site security certificate seems to have expired causing an error on my browser. I however did find this [10]. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 14:41, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Just to provide some info on how you search for an archive with the Wayback Machine, you simply grab the URL of the link you're trying to search for and archive of and put it in the search box, then select a date you think might show something (I always go from latest to earliest) ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:46, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: There are some websites that create digital archives of links that basically allow you to view an older version of a website. It's main use here on Wikipedia is to allow sources that go no where now to be used by looking at the past version of them when they used to work. One of the ones I know of is the Wayback Machine. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:42, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

I too will disagree with User:Blaze The Wolf. We don't remove a ref purely because the link no longer works. The advice is at WP:Link rot. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Can I publish this draft directly (without the AfC process)?

Excellenc1 (talk) 15:28, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

You've got extended confirmed user rights, so you certainly can move the article direct into Main Space. That'll save some time for the AfC reviewers but you'll still get checked by the new page patrollers. I'd say: go for it! See WP:MOVE for instructions if you've not done this before. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:30, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Remember to move it to mainspace (without a prefix) and not to Wikipedia: space, Excellenc1. --ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Researched Article Removed

I have come across an editor by the name Dianna who keeps deleting pure researched topics from the pages I edit. Some articles related to legends do not have a source and are transmitted via oral sources. They have done this previously as well and it is annoying to deal with them. How do I flag this editor's judgement? Shantadurga123 (talk) 17:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you may not be adding reliable sources for your edits. All edits must be sourced by independent and reliable third-party sources. Hope that helps! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:22, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Shantadurga123: Legends that are trasmitted via oral sources are considered original research and therefore cannot be mentioned without a reliable source. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:30, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Shantadurga123: Wikipedia cannot rely on oral sources because they are not really verifiable. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. I have the same problem with wine articles; there is a lot of good information that a winemaker can tell you in person that isn't published anywhere. In the end, we need published sources. The sources don't need to be online, but they need to be verifiable (like in a library, where anyone can go there and check the sources kept there). ~Anachronist (talk) 17:33, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Shantadurga123. I assume you mean Diannaa, not Dianna? Diannaa is one of our most experienced administrators, with over 300,000 edits over the last 12 years, and is an expert on copyright violations - hence the warning from her on your talk page, whilst my warning was about you adding unsourced material, which we do not do, as explained above. - Arjayay (talk) 17:39, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Shantadurga123 — When you say "oral sources" are you just referring to word-of-mouth in person, or do you mean perhaps a radio or podcast source? The former unfortunately isn't something we're able to use but if you have a published audio source then it's possible to cite that; essentially you want to try to refer to a timestamp in it the same way you would refer to a page range and I could show you some examples of that if that's your basis. If it's the former, then your best bet is to find perhaps a book which has collected the oral traditions you're thinking of, perhaps a folklorist or anthropologist has collected a written record which can be used as a result. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 17:45, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Since most of the moderators here mention that information that does not have any source cannot be published, how did Diannaa approve the rest of the information on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayadurga. The content you see on this page was added by me years ago and it does not have citations. I collected information based on oral sources and none are published in any books. Plus I see a huge banner that reads "This article has multiple issues". Why has no action been taken against this?

As per Wiki regulations, this entire page should be deleted. Shantadurga123 (talk) 18:04, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll attempt to answer this. Some editors, perhaps for etiquette reasons, might prefer to tag content rather than delete, especially if it is assumed that the unsourced content is legitimate. That way, editors have a chance to improve the article content with sources, rather than start over. For the Vijayadurga article, one might assume sources do exist somewhere that describe this deity. Is Vijayadurga the same as Vijaya durga? If so, there appear to be more search results for the latter. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:34, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Need to clarify money on Mr Cruel article?

I've conversed a little with User:I dream of horses about the Mr Cruel article on Wikipedia. I think something should be done to make it clear that when a one-million dollar reward is mentioned for helping catch Mr Cruel, Australian dollars are meant. She thinks that because the article is only about events in Australia, no special notation needs to be in the article to indicate that the one million dollars is in Australian dollars. I've looked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Currencies and I can't figure out whether it's giving direction on what should be done in this case, and if so, what direction. Can you figure it out? Thanks. Greg Dahlen (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: I think the indication that it's Australian Dollars should still be used even though the article is only about events in Australia. However I'd wait for more experienced users to answer this question. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:37, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment There is a discussion already open on the talk page of said article, so suggestions should probably go there. To avoid conflicting consensus. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 18:40, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Current Events Page

I have always appreciated the Current Events portal. Especially for sports. Today I noticed the 2021 WNBA Playoffs was not listed.

Does anyone have specific advice on editing the current events portal? Designingresilience (talk) 16:05, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Designingresilience: Welcome to the Teahouse! I went to Portal:Current events, clicked on "Sports events", clicked on the "edit source" link in the "Ongoing Events" section, and added the 2021 WNBA Playoffs in this edit. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:54, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

How to get articles approved

Nwaforchisom (talk) 16:07, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Nwaforchisom Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I assume this is about Draft:Youngbossnazy. I have added the information to allow you to submit the draft, but if you were to do so now, it would be quickly rejected. It has no chance of being accepted because the draft has no independent reliable sources with significant coverage of this person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician. You have just cited the existence of their music; in these times, anyone with internet access can make music available online. That doesn't make them notable. Writing a new article is the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia, it is usually recommended to gain experience and knowledge first, by editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Please use the new user tutorial and read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Same applies to your draft Draft:Temptation about one of his songs. David notMD (talk) 16:19, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nwaforchisom: I also suggest you read the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Your photo of him in his home studio leads me to wonder if you have a conflict of interest (COI). If so, you must declare your COI on your user page. You also uploaded File:Nazy-Temptation.jpg as your own work. Are you the cover artist, or did you just copy a picture off the internet and upload it without the proper copyright? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:01, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Episode Summaries

FYI

– Added header. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Could I add episode summaries for Pinkalicious and Peteriffic? Agent K-Nova (talk) 20:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Agent K-Nova: Welcome to the Teahouse! I responded to your post at Talk:Pinkalicious & Peterrific#Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2021. GoingBatty (talk) 21:22, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle Reversion for DrDisrespect

Hello, I have been off Wikipedia for a couple of years now but want to resume posting about things I am passionate about. I was updating the information on Dr Disrespect page and my information appears to have been reverted by a bot called Twinkle. The reason given was that it is not yet popular enough, but anyone involved in the gaming community knows that this has sparked a pretty broad discussion about the use of aim assist and that is it a central component of the Doc's persona. Seems reasonable to me. Do I post it in the 'Talk' section of this page and wait for other users to weigh in or am I allowed to 'undo' the reversion? Thanks! Warzone14 (talk) 21:30, 6 October 2021 (UTC) Warzone14 (talk) 21:30, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Warzone14: I figured I'd clarify, Twinkle is not actually a bot. It is a semi-automated tool editors can use to easily revert edits, welcome users, warn users, and probably a few other things I'm forgetting. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:36, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

The edit was undone by user:IVORK [11]. Ask the user directly or post to the article's talk page. Meters (talk) 21:38, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:George Cervantes

Hello, I was told that I need 3 different news articles for the page I was creating. I added 3 different ones from 3 different sources. Can someone please tel lme if that is enough. Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:George_Cervantes Marcorubiocali (talk) 17:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, those appear to be self-published sources. Sources must be from reliable, third party, independent outlets. User-submitted content to outlets is not considered independent. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

STATUS: Four Declines and a Rejected. The three items are about him an animal shelters. Is there reliable source information about him as a matchmaker? That appears to be his career, the animal shelter, volunteer stuff that does not contribute to notability. David notMD (talk) 18:48, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Marcorubiocali: Hello. You can find the information about required sources at WP:Reliable sources, and WP:Significant coverage. Kindly take a look at them. Regards, —usernamekiran (talk) (guestbook) 22:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected for User talk:Longhair

Why is Longhair semi-protected for? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:ACA7:B78F:C1D2:2751 (talk) 01:23, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. That talk page is semi-protected due to persistent vandalism, sockpuppetry and block evasion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:32, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

As above. Vandal fighting took a turn for the worse and I semi-protected the page short term to fend them off. Is there something I can assist with? -- Longhair\^talk 01:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

No thanks. 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:ACA7:B78F:C1D2:2751 (talk) 01:37, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

How can I become an anti - vandalism expet???

I wanted to know the precise way of becoming an anti-vandalism expert??? I want to clear all vandalism on Wikipedia, and earn barnstars. Some suggestions, on how to do??? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Itcouldbepossible! The easiest way, if you want to do some reading, is to read the Countervandalism Unit pages. It has stellar resources on countervandalism that helped me when I started out. If you still need help, feel free to enroll in the The Countervandalism Unit Academy, where dedicated mentors will help you learn how to accurately identify and revert vandalism. I hope this helps! Sennecaster (Chat) 13:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, I will try and follow what you said.Itcouldbepossible (talk) 03:20, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

About IP edits on Allah-o-Akbar Tehreek

Hi! I've seen an IP editor is again and again adding a non-notable with biased unreliable citation in this article. I've reverted their edits again and again also advised them previously [12] that please provide reliable source but they reverted my edit again and doesn't act upon my advice, which seems like they are just promoting this name in the article as using article as a soapbox and the name seems to be non-notable since I couldn't find any source and as per WP:3RR I don't want to be indulge in edit war with them, that's why I am little bit confused what should I do please can anyone quickly sort out this matter? Wallu2 (talk) 06:56, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Wallu2 I see that @Maproom has reverted the addition of a non-notable name. I also checked it out and agree with you that it was not needed in the article. If you fear being caught by WP:3RR, the best way is to post an explanation of your concerns on the article's talk page, explaining why you have removed it, and inviting editors (probably one person from mutiple IP addresses) to give their reasons and to gain consensus before inserting it again. If they fail to communicate on the talk page, you can revert and refer each IP address to that talk page. I'll leave a quick note for the latest IP editor, too. If WP:COI edits from multiple address becomes really disruptive (it's nothing like that yet), it's possible to request WP:SEMIPROTECTION. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Chanda dynasty

Karsan Chanda (talk) 13:30, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Do you have a question about Chanda dynasty? It has been proposed for deletion by User:RegentsPark, who also removed content and references you added. Previously, other editors removed content and refs you added. The proper next step is to discuss this on the Talk page of the article, inviting RegentsPark to participate. David notMD (talk) 13:37, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Before the Kachwaha dynasty, Dhondad was ruled by the Chanda dynasty. Because the name of the ruler of this dynasty, Alan Singh, is present on books, news papers and websites. But they are not covered significantly. So there is a lot of problem in writing this article. so help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karsan Chanda (talk • contribs) 13:42, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Wild Things Foursome(movie) Editing to remove wiki warning

Rewrote this article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wild_Things:_Foursome to remove ~2700 characters as previously done in order to remove warning the article is too long and detailed. User:Edmont Edmount reverted my edit for some reason. I am asking Edmount to come here to discuss it. Missbellanash (talk) 08:00, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Missbellanash rather discuss the matter at the article talk page, not here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:40, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Missbellanash: When you post on the article's talk page, you can get Edmount's attention by using Template:Reply to (which I like to use as {{ping}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:24, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Is it me or is the talk page redirected to a different page. Wiki does work right for this.. Missbellanash (talk) 14:16, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

RSN & RSP

I'm unfamiliar with the process at WP:RSN. Can I ask about the general reliability of any source there? I'm currently working on Wikipedia:WikiProject Podcasting/Sources and would like input on most of the sources. Should I ask about the reliability of each source one at a time or just list some of them together? TipsyElephant (talk) 17:12, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

You can ask that there, yes. I recommend asking about one source at a time, so editors can more easily do some research on it. If the podcasts are naturally grouped, such as if they are all verticals of the same publisher, then perhaps you could ask about them all. That's my two pennies! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:18, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: I think it's fine asking about the general reliability of a source if it's not listed on perrenial sources however I"m not sure on this so wait for another editor to answer that part of the question. The second part's answer is it's better to ask about all of them at once. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:18, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skeptic and Blaze The Wolf: one of you recommended one at a time and the other recommended all at once. Would it be appropriate to ask in groups based on my initial impression? For instance, I could ask about the sources that I would consider unreliable because they lack editorial oversight and appear to just be blogs. Another group would be those that appear borderline and then another group be ones I think are generally reliable? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:50, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: I'm not completely sure based on what Pyrrho said. I said groups because i often see questions about multiple sources in one "post" at WP:RSN but I usually don't have to ask questions there so I"m not sure if that's actually preferred or not. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:59, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: You're probably fine to post there in whatever way you wish. But if you're asking about the reliabalitiy of lesser-known sources, the more info you can provide about them will save editors time in researching the sources. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:27, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Chanda dynasty

How to Invite RegentsPark? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karsan Chanda (talk • contribs) 14:05, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

At the Talk page of the article in question, RegentsPark has "Comment" after name. Clicking on that goes to RP's Talk page. OR else, have a discussion at the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 16:52, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Assistance with another user

Hello! So I went to request a 3rd opinion (technically 4th however I'm not nearly knowledgeable enough to assist with where the situation has gotten to) however it said to follow the above instructions, and yet I saw no instructions above where it said so I was unsure as to how to do so. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:05, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

You haven't told us which page you are looking at which gave the confusing wording. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Blaze The Wolf: would you mind giving a bit more detail what you are looking for assistance in or where the conversation is happening? Or were you looking for WP:3O? McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 17:13, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Portrayal of James Bond in film is the page i'm looking at. Specifically because an IP editor is accusing another editor of 5RR and I"m unsure it they are correct or not since I"m not all that knowledgeable in that area. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:13, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Template:Episode List

I'm trying to use the Episode List template, but it won't show up. User:JulieMinkai/sandbox II: Daggerfall Minkai (talk to me)_{(see where I screwed up)} 17:19, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

JulieMinkai I hope you don't mind but I just fixed it directly for you; there was a field in the episode table template which was missing, you should be able to keep adding more entries to it now and see them show up. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 17:34, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Grapple X: Which parameter was I missing? Minkai (talk to me)_{(see where I screwed up)} 17:36, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

This edit will tell you. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Advice on Draft:Vijay Shankar Pandey

Can someone please check and advise what improvements can be made to Draft:Vijay Shankar Pandey. Thanks for your kind help. Vinod2608 (talk) 15:23, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Appears you have added refs and submitted draft to AfC rather than move it yourself to main space (again). In time, it will be reviewed. David notMD (talk) 16:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Vinod2608 - What you need to do now is to leave the draft in draft space, and it will be reviewed. It has been moved from article space to draft space twice. First it was moved by a reviewer who seems to have been a sockpuppet and has been banned. Then you moved it back to article space rather than waiting for a reviewer. Then administrator User:Bearcat moved it back to draft space. Now please be patient. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:41, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Vinod2608 - Please select three of the references that support the claim for general notability. You may identify four or five references if you wish, but not more than five. Please list them in AFC comments, or on the draft talk page. Then a reviewer will be able to check the most important references. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:45, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Logged out

NOTE: When replying to me, please tag me with {{Re|GOLDIEM J}}.
I have just been automatically logged out of my account TWICE. I noticed because the IP I'm using is blocked on its own, and I was trying to use my sandbox. Does anyone know why I was logged out? GOLDIEM J (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

See the thread directly above. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 19:23, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

It seems a lot of people are suddenly having this problem. That's rather odd. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:31, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

MARCOGAZ Wikipedia Page Creation

Dear Madam/Sir,

I hope this message finds you well and great. I am contacting you to consult about the creation of a Wikipedia page dedicated to MARCOGAZ, the technical association of the European gas industry. MARCOGAZ has repetitively tried to create a Wikipedia page but it was rejected two times. The reason in the first time was higlighted to be the advertisement-like style of the content. In the second time, the feedback noted that the topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. Could you please elaborate on this second point? MARCOGAZ is a technical association of the gas industry, dating back to 1968. It is very active in the European gas industry for the last five decades, so the associaiton aspires to have a Wikipedia page. Could you please help aligning the text with the requirements of Wikipedia so that MARCOGAZ can have a page? Could you also help out with verifying that MARCOGAZSG is an employee of MARCOGAZ. Thank you so much.

Kind regards,

MARCOGAZ Secteriat General MarcogazSG (talk) 13:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

User has been blocked for having a promotional username and making promotional edits. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:57, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

STATUS: User:MarcogazSG/sandbox/MARCOGAZ Declined once and Rejected. Current version has no references. David notMD (talk) 13:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@MarcogazSG: Welcome to the Teahouse! As recommended on your user talk page, in order to have a Wikipedia article about an organization, the creator must demonstrate that the organization meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies. These state that an organization "is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." GoingBatty (talk) 19:54, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

You're a little late GoingBatty. The user's been blocked. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:54, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

How do I know that my article has been published on wikipedia?

AHMAD-ISRA (talk) 17:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@AHMAD-ISRA: Welcome to the Teahouse! User talk:AHMAD-ISRA three examples of notices you received about your submissions. If you have a draft that is accepted as an article, you will receive a similar notification on your user talk page. If you are referring to User:AHMAD-ISRA/sandbox, it appears that is was declined when your draft was about Nestle. You then changed your sandbox to a different topic (Molfix), but did not delete the old AfC templates and have not yet submitted this draft for review. GoingBatty (talk) 20:10, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

How do I get the fancy medals at my profile

Yeah the title says it, how to get fancy medals? I saw some people have them on their profile (contribution, years on Wiki, etc.) so I'm wondering how I can get them, how do I know if I got them and how to put them on my profile Lavitc (talk) 19:49, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lavitc: Depending on what you're talking about you could be talking about WikiLove or (whatever the medals indicating how long you've been here are called). WikiLove is given to you by other editors. The medals indicating how long you've edited are added yourself to your userpage (I don't remember where you find them unfortunately). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

ty homie

No problem! Also please remember to sign using ~~~~ on talk pages. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:56, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lavitc: Here are personal statistics userboxes. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 20:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lavitc: Welcome to the Teahouse! You may be referring to the medals at Wikipedia:Service awards. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:13, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Practical solution oriented project /campaign

Hi, Humbled to be part of this commmunity. Actuall, l want to know. what does it mean to creat a project/campaign that has the potential to solve/tackle most of the many world problem?Tidini (talk) 09:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC) What are the chances? Tidini (talk) 09:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tidini and welcome to the Teahouse. I hope you're enjoying your time on Wikipedia since you joined us earlier in the year. The Teahouse is really only for answering questions about editing Wikipedia, and I fear your question has much higher aims than that. I also wish I knew the answer to it!!! All I can say is that, by contributing to Wikipedia you help to collate and then disseminate reliably-sourced information so that others can benefit from it. The encyclopaedia, with its 6.2million plus article in English alone is becoming a freely available library to the world. If that, itself, helps raise awareness and inspires people to solve some of the worlds problems, we will have done a good job. Of course, Wikipedia itself has its environmental down side. It is now so popular that our servers consumer almost 12GWh of energy to meet those needs, and very little of that energy has been sourced from renewable sources. The Wikimedia Foundation does have a Sustainability Initiative, but progress in that area seems slow. (I'm not sure I've really answered your question, though, or if I ever could!) Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:12, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Postscript: @Tidini: You probably know the story of William Kamkwamba and the wonderful film subsequently made about his achievements as a young lad in The Boy Who Harnessed the Wind? I believe it was his inability to access his school library that initially prevented him from learning how to build a small turbine to pump water to irrigate his father's crops. I found his story inspiring, and couldn't help wondering what role Wikipedia could potentially play in similar situations today. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:41, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Tidini This might be of interest Internet access#Digital divide TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, Thanks for the beautiful composure with which I am answered. I really appreciate that. I have noticed I didnot frame my quetion very well. Howwever-no regrets,it has led me to learning a lot from your submission. Inventiveness/innovation is my passion,hence have taking note the two inspiring stories. Thanks for sharing that too Tidini (talk) 21:15, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Team Schedule for 2021-22 Florida Panthers and Minnesota Wild

Hi, I was just wondering when the team schedule and results would be added onto the 2021-22 Florida Panthers team page as well as the 2021-22 Minnesota Wild Team page? You've already have it added to some of the teams like the 2021-22 Seattle Krakens and the 2021-22 Detroit Red Wings, but not for others like the Florida Panthers. I'm VERY new at this and don't know how to edit it in myself, so I was just asking if someone else would know how. Thanks. Richard Xacver (talk) 14:13, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Xacver: Welcome to the Teahouse! There is no schedule for additions - they will be added if and when a volunteer editor chooses to add them. If you like, you may post a request on the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:2021–22 Florida Panthers season) with a reliable source for the schedule. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:57, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Xacver: Knowing how to edit Wikipedia syntax to create articles is a useful and fun skill to have. You can visit WP:TWA and WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. Then you can take one of the similar articles you like, and copy it into your sandbox. Then you can customize it enough so it's in your original wording, and find appropriate sources, so it is about the Panthers or the Wild. That will get you started, and you can take pride in contributing to something that will last forever. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Charmin commercials with Mr. Whipple

Is their a connection between Mr. Whipple and George Chandler Whipple (1866-1924) ? DrinkTray (talk) 14:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@DrinkTray: Welcome to the Teahouse! There's no mention of the connection on the Mr. Whipple and George C. Whipple articles. You could try asking on Talk:Mr. Whipple or Wikipedia:Reference desk. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

The name seem to be an amusing coincidence (amusing because of George C. Whipple's area of expertise). Instead, the Charmin Ads' Mr. Whipple was named for a different George Whipple, who unlike George C. (who had died in 1924) was thriving in 1964 when John Chervokas created the ad campaign. The full details are given by Chervokas in Reference 2 of our article on him, which links to here (a pdf).

Didn't think when I got up this morning that I'd be researching ads about a brand of toilet paper sold on a different continent, but hey-ho, that's Wikipedia for you! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.207 (talk) 21:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Jennifer Logan page: unsupported edits

What is the proper procedure to comment on edits made to an article that are not supported? The Jennifer Logan page just popped up on my watchlist because an edit was made with a correction. While the correction may be right, it's not supported with a citation. Since the user noted they have other changes, and this edit was their first, I wonder if they are the subject? DaffodilOcean (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

~~I'm not sure her article meets WP:N, but to answer your question,~~ you could add a possible COI warning to their Talk Page and ask them to use the Request Edit feature on the Talk Page of the article, if they are a COI editor with edit requests. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Pyrrho the Skeptic just so I am clear, anyone can do that? I am a little unclear on the "administrator-type" actions versus "anyone can do something" actions. --DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:24, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@DaffodilOcean:Yes, anyone can add a relevant warning template or simple message to another user if it is warranted. If it's easier, I'm happy to follow up with the user and remind them about potential conflict of interest edits. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:27, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skeptic: I would feel more comfortable watching what you do, and then be prepared to do this myself the next time I see this. --DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:29, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@DaffodilOcean: Okay, and I should add it is important that we don't "out" a user as an individual and violate their privacy. That's why we say "you may have a close connection" or something like that. Anyway, you can see the message here. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! --DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Reliable sources in a niche industry

Hi, I am trying to get a draft approved for a cryptocurrency project and the feedback that I got is that it does not have reliable sources. I linked to niche crypto sources and even a mainstram one (Nasdaq) that goes in depth about the information I am posting. I then looked through the list of reliable sources and aside from coindesk (which is flagged red) the other sources are not listed. My question is, how can it be possible to provide reliable 3rd party sources when the industry itself is not recognized here for submitting reliable sources? There are a few more mainstream articles like for example, Yahoo but those are reposts of originals on crypto media sources Blockfanatic (talk) 13:29, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blockfanatic: Welcome to the Teahouse! For assistance in finding sources for Draft:Pontem Network, you could post a request on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cryptocurrency. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:48, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Blockfanatic. There is no comprehensive list of reliable sources: there is a list of frequently-encountered sources (WP:RSNP), but if a source is not on that list that says nothing about whether or not the source is reliable (and reliability of a source also depends on what information it is being used to verify). You can ask about particular sources at WP:RSN - and search the archives of that page to see if they have been discussed before. But yes, if a topic has not received significant coverage in reliable sources, then it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for Notability, and no article will be accepted. If you are writing about a cryptocurrency, you should probably be aware of WP:GS/Crypto: I don't believe this affects the creation of a new article, but since disputes in this area have often become combative, there are controls on editing. --ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

GoingBatty ColinFine Thank you for the help guys, hopefully I'm able to get this article through! It seems like a chicken and egg problem. We want to avoid misinformation in the industry but if the industry is not taken seriously then the publications within it can't be referenced to ensure people have access to reliable information Blockfanatic (talk) 22:09, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I understand that part of the reason the sourcing is dodgy in the topic area is because many of the main crypto news sites have conflicts of interest or otherwise don't have editorial oversight, which is also a large part of the reason why the general sanctions are in place (i.e. the promotionalism and conflicts-of-interest). That's not to say good sources don't exist, but rather that they're an exception. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 22:13, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Blockfanatic. A bit of a segue perhaps, but I just want to add that trying to use Wikipedia to get an industry taken seriously is probably not a wise strategy to follow if that's what you're hoping to do. Wikipedia doesn't even consider itself a reliable source for pretty much anything (except perhaps itself) as explained here and there's no way for you or anyone else in your industry to control or unduly influence content. So, any article that you end up creating will essentially be there for others from around the world to edit at anytime and all edits will be assessed in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. For sure, there seems to be a bit of prestige connected to being written about on Wikipedia, but there can also be some disadvatages as well that might not be so evident at first. I'm not trying to discourage you from trying to create an article about this subject; I'm just trying to point out that there may be some things about Wikipedia that you might not be aware of, and these are sometimes things people only find out about after its too late. There are ways other than Wikipedia which might work better for what you're trying to doif Wikipedia turns out to be a bad fit, at least at this point in time. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Is my professor notable enough for a Wikipage?

My professor wants me to create a Wikipage for him, but I'm not sure if he meets the notability requirements. He is very well known in evangelical homiletics (preaching) but that is admittedly a small circle. He's published multiple books and articles over the last 25 years and is featured in the 'authors' section on some publishers' websites. Do you think he qualifies?

I appreciate any guidance you can provide in this matter. Dgregory4 (talk) 23:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Dgregory4: If you can find reliable secondary sources about him then he may be notable. Otherwise most definitely not. Also, even if he is notable, you should tell him it's not a good idea to create a Wikipedia article about himself. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:45, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Dgregory4 (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A professor merits a Wikipedia article(not just a "page") if they receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about them, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable academic. Creating a new article is challenging, please use the new user tutorial and read Your First Article. Please also read conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 23:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

As noted, a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 23:48, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Question about publishing pages!

Hi there! I am a social sciences and arts researcher and new Wikipedia editor, currently creating, vetting and updating pages for San Francisco Bay Area-based artists and activists. I just submitted two drafts for two artists and authors, and was wondering if someone could possibly check out my submissions and provide any potential feedback? TalyaMuchmore (talk) 23:49, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you give us a link to the articles? --Kaleeb18 (talk) 23:57, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Kaleeb18

TalyaMuchmore Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As noted on your drafts, "This may take 7 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,819 pending submissions waiting for review." Please be patient. I will note that Wikipedia has articles, not mere pages. 331dot (talk) 23:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

A nuance, sure, but people tend to think of 'pages' as something they have control over, whereas Wikipedia 'articles' can be edited by other people. David notMD (talk) 00:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles and blogs cannot be used as references. Hyperlinks in the text of the article are forbidden. David notMD (talk) 01:04, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Looking at Special:Contributions/TalyaMuchmore, I'm presuming she is referring to Draft:Talya Muchmore and Draft:Kyle Casey Chu. GoingBatty (talk) 01:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@TalyaMuchmore: Welcome to the Teahouse! It seems that Draft:Talya Muchmore should be moved to Draft:Virgie Tovar. Per WP:BASIC, people are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. I hope you can find more sources before submitting this draft for approval. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

TalyaMuchmore, despite its current title, Draft:Talya Muchmore is about a person named Virgie Tovar. The draft has three references. The first is a nine paragraph article in the East Bay Express. That is a pretty good source that contains biographical information that could be used to expand the draft, which is a good thing. The second is a library blog post announcing a speaking engagement. Routine promotional event announcements do not add to notability. The third is an Amazon author listing, which does not add to notability because it is promoting Amazon's business interests, and is neither neutral nor independent. You really need multiple reliable independent sources and only the first one applies. Another problem is the improper use of external links. One external link to the person's website, for example, is fine in an external links section. Your very short draft has four external links which is a red flag for reviewers. This makes the draft look like an effort to sell her books, and Wikipedia is not for promotion. The draft ends with an unreferenced claim about her education. You need to provide a reference for that. The best way to show that an author is notable is to provide references to reviews of several of their books published by independent, reliable sources. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you help me with more specifically what I can add for this article to be published?

Hi! This is my first Wikipedia article to attempt. It was declined pretty quickly, within a few hours. I think I could find some more sources and probably beef up the article? A comment was left by the user who declined it saying there isn't "enough of a solo career" to call for a Wikipedia page for this person. I didn't think that was any kind of requirement? And as others with similar entertainment backgrounds and career level have Wiki articles, I really didn't think that would be an issue brought up. Thanks in advance for your help! I appreciate any advice as I'd really love to be able to publish this article.

EDITED TO ADD LINK TO THE ARTICLE IN QUESTION: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hoshi_(Korean_singer) Mintella (talk) 03:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mintella: It's a requirement if pretty much all the coverage of the singer is of his work with a given band. In order to have an article on a solo artist, there needs to be articles about him independent of any prior bands, including professional reviews of his solo work. The same applies to musicians who have been with multiple bands over the course of their careers - there need to be articles critiquing his work overall, and not just with the band he's most well-known for being with. See WP:NBAND (which also applies to solo artists). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 03:20, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano: Okay that makes more sense. I think more than half my sources were solely for his solo release. But I will find more sources to add and/or works to add to the article. Thank you! Mintella (talk) 03:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

How do I create a page in the namespace "WP"?

If I had an account with the right permissions, I would like to create a page in the namespace "WP". NOT "Wikipedia"; "WP". W-P. Just those two letters. But no matter how hard I try, I can't seem to stop links or searches for "WP:xxx" from redirecting to "Wikipedia:xxx". How do I bypass this? 49.144.198.70 (talk) 03:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

That is because "WP:" redirects to "Wikipedia:". It's impossible to create a page in the "WP:" namespace because that namespace doesn't exist. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 03:45, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

See more at Wikipedia:Namespace#Aliases. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:14, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

How to upload a TV Serial poster on Wikipedia??

I want to know how to upload a TV Serial poster on Wikipedia, I watched some YouTube videos but it doesn't work it tells me to go to commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard and when I type the URL, the page doesn't open. Please tell me, I really want to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 06nighthawk60 (talk • contribs) 04:12, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@06nighthawk60: Welcome to the Teahouse. If it's a poster for a TV series, it's most likely not going to be allowed on Commons, as only completely copyright-free files are allowed on there. You're going to have to use Wikipedia's own file upload wizard. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Changes about Askar Baitassov

Good time of the day!

My name is Saltanat, I am an assistant of Askar Baitassov. I found an article about Askar Baitassov on the vastness of the English Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Askar_Baitassov, and noticed that the existing article was already outdated and requires revisions. I made my own corrections and added new information about Askar Baitassov, after which my changes were not accepted and the previous article remained unchanged. Please help me figure out the situation and publish a new article about Askar. Manageroff (talk) 04:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

We are not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. Every claim about a living or recently-departed person that could potentially be challenged for any reason what-so-ever MUST be cited to a third-party, in-depth source with editorial oversight that corroborates it or (if no such sources can be found) removed wholesale. This is a HARD REQUIREMENT when writing about such topics on Wikipedia and is NOT NEGOTIABLE. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 04:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

You need to read about conflict of interest. Having done that and made the mandatory declaration of paid editing you should not be editing the article directly, but instead you can make an edit request on the article talk page, supported by references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. I notice also that in your edit you removed sourced text, replaced it by unsourced, and violated the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. I have added a welcome message to your user talk page, including some useful links. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Alan Singh

Help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karsan Chanda (talk • contribs) 05:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? This is really vague and doesn't really tell us what the issue is or why you need help. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:54, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda:, welcome to the teahouse! i'm assuming this is about Draft:Alan Singh? melecie t 06:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi

hi <ref>www.google.com</ref< Person1662626271717 (talk) 03:35, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Person1662626271717: Hi there! Did you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 03:54, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

yes Person1662626271717 (talk) 01:22, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Person1662626271717: Great! What is your question? GoingBatty (talk) 03:02, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm going to take a guess and say they were either asking if they could use google as a ref or how to reference something. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:42, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

how to reference something?? Person1662626271717 (talk) 02:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Person1662626271717: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's a digestible page here that should get you primed to properly cite sources for Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:30, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

ok, thanks Person1662626271717 (talk) 07:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I waited until now to create a Wikipedia page about myself... which, apparently, was a big mistake! I need some help figuring this out.

I have lived a remarkable life and I have been asked many times why I don't have a Wikipedia page. It always seemed egocentric and, frankly, superfluous. But now I have published a groundbreaking book, Holocaust Cinema Complete: A History and Analysis of 400 Films, with a Teaching Guide, and it is time. Because of my research and expertise, I am now a guest on many podcasts and the subject of reviews and articles, including https://www.jta.org/2021/10/01/culture/this-professor-has-seen-almost-every-holocaust-movie-ever-made-totaling-over-400-heres-what-he-learned . People want this information. So I set out to write a Wikipedia page, in good faith. It is factual and annotated.

I was so surprised to get a note from a very kind member of your community telling me that publishing my own page is frowned upon, a very egregious Wiki-error in Wiki-land. It was then suggested that I should wait for someone else to write my article, but only if I am worthy. Jaw dropping to hear, as an outsider.

Anyway, the page is in my sandbox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rich_Brownstein/sandbox

Please let me know how to get this done. More importantly, aside from having authored it myself, is there anything on the page as it currently sits that is improper? In other words, if one of you had written that page, would anyone have objected to the article?

Thanks, thanks, thanks!

Rich Brownstein Rich Brownstein (talk) 20:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Rich Brownstein: Taking a brief look at your article, it seems to be very well written (although the sourcing could use a little work). There are some policies and essays that are relevant here. First, reliable sources and what counts as a reliable source, are 2 very important things that can help out a lot in writing an article when the subject is notable. Currently the sources you have I'm not sure if they would be considered reliable. Next is autobiography, which states that it is strongly discouraged to write an article about yourself as it is seen as a form of conflict of interest. If you wish to continue then take a look at your first article which is a guide on how to create an article, and notablility which states what is and isn't considered notable. If I missed anything I'm sure other editors will be able to add on to this. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:05, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

So. Many. Things. Wrong. No one cares about your undergraduate publications. I doubt you took the photo of you. Most refs are urls rather than a better format (See Help:Referencing for beginners). Huge chunks of content is unreferenced. More of the draft is about the book (Table of contents, image of the cover, which is likely copyright protected and not by you) and its reception than about you. The whole Reception section reads like book jacket endorsements, and should be deleted. You, writing about you, do not get to call yourself an expert, nor your book definitive. The process details of the book being published is unneeded. You are not forbidden from creating an article about yourself, but this draft, if submitted, would be declined. David notMD (talk) 21:19, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Rich Brownstein: ::Yes. Adding to this, see Wikipedia:Golden rule, which provides a brief overview of what a publishable article is expected to have, with links to the relevant policies and guidelines. Basically, things you have written yourself are not citations that count toward notability. Nor do websites with user-generated content such as IMDB. And finally see WP:NOTPROMOTION; Wikipedia is not a publicity medium. If there is more about the book than you, then maybe an article about the book would be better. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:24, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Rich Brownstein, Wikipedia articles do not include book blurbs written by the author's friends, associates and peers. That's overt promotionalism that belongs on the book jacket or first few pages. Quotes from independent reviews published in reliable sources are allowed, and are actually the thing that makes books notable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I cut length in half, per above comments. Needs mention of reviews, but not all those blurbs. On own User page, state that the draft is about yourself. Before submitting, I recommend removing both photos, as am guessing that you do not own copyright to the book cover, nor were the person who took the photo of you. David notMD (talk) 11:33, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Be aware that if this becomes accepted as an article, other editors will be able to add (referenced) content. David notMD (talk) 11:36, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you David notMD. Thank you. You have been very helpful. I do own both photos. I have added the note to my user page. What should I do next? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rich Brownstein (talk • contribs) 12:24, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Rich Brownstein: So are you saying you took the photos yourself or were you given permission to use them by the company who took them? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:21, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for checking! Yes, my child took the photo on a camera I bought in my house at my direction. I own the photos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rich Brownstein (talk • contribs) 13:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Rich Brownstein: Technically that would mean your child owns the copyright although I think copyright can be inherited as long as they are your relative (which in this case, they are). I could be wrong though since I'm not all that knowledgeable in how image copyright works. Although I do have to say your child did a very nice job with the first photo. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! It was the 322th photo. He is learning. All good!

@Rich Brownstein: Also please remember to sign on talk pages using ~~~~. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:59, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

How about the image of the book cover? David notMD (talk) 07:43, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Minami Aizawa

The article Draft:Minami Aizawa is dealing with speedy deletion process. Help me remove any promotional related details or any other issues related to this process. Open sasame (talk) 02:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC) Open sasame (talk) 02:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Open sasame: Since you've moved the article into the draftspace, I've removed the CSD template and added a button for you to submit the draft to the Articles for Creation process. As a winner of the FANZA award, I think there's a possibility that she may be notable, it just needs some improvements. As for improvements, start by removing all citations to Twitter, as those aren't considered reliable. Also remove the appearances in TV and expos, as that is indiscriminate information. Don't include too much personal information that doesn't relate to her career. The prose itself also needs to be rewritten in an encyclopedic tone; I suggest reading other quality biographies to see how Wikipedia's prose is written. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:11, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Creating account

I have created my account, but whenever I sign my post, my IP address is shown. What shall I do?202.142.81.12 (talk) 07:25, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Did you log in? ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 07:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps I didn't. Now my problem is resolved. Currently I am logged out.202.142.81.12 (talk) 08:44, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

How can I change the image which is on a template?

Nikoloz Ratiani (talk) 11:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nikoloz Ratiani What image/template? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:09, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

How to edit a protected page

Hello , my question is that how to try to edit a protected page but not to do anything inappropriate but to u know like try to be very helpful and edit the page time to time so if someone is looking for an information he or she can get it easily

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to ask u a question Nikita Bhamidipati (talk) 12:37, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Go to the talk page of the article. Make your suggestion there, clearly. (Punctuation helps.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

How to add myself to a list for a WIKI project

I'm busy adding myself to the WikiProject Food and Drink. I've been told to add myself to the list of members. There were no further instructions.

I seem to have added myself but not sure if I have done so correctly. My user name is appearing in red.

Can anyone help a bewildered first time Wikipedia user?

Paul in Hove UK TheRegencyCook (talk) 12:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@TheRegencyCook: When I look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Members/participants, I see your user name in blue. It was red when you added it because you had no content on your user page. After you created User:TheRegencyCook, the link turned to blue. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Incidents and alerts does not work in Queensland's Live Traffic NSW's website

Hey there, the website: https://www.livetraffic.com/ does not have any incidents or alerts in Queensland's list (all of New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia's incidents, which it still works). Can you go to this website to fix the problem? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:18A:F4EF:39AB:34AB (talk) 03:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

No. Email their webmaster. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 03:39, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I have submitted the feedback on Live Traffic NSW about Queensland's list not working, it only shows "last updated" and it does not appear on the map. 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:18A:F4EF:39AB:34AB (talk) 04:00, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

This isn't something Wikipedia can do. In other words, it's not our problem. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hunter Biden, President Trump and Dmitry Prigosin.

Prigosin's wiki page;The info on Russian collusion during the U.S 2016 presidential election has no basis for truth including all persons listed as possible collaborators(which was proven at the first impeachment trial for Trump). Couple that with Hunter Biden's wiki info on his paintings (and no mention of his corruption practices laundering money) means only one thing; Wikipedia is partial, dishonest and purposely misleading. Does Wikipedia think all people are morons or just the woke idiots? 69.117.169.182 (talk) 12:30, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Decide which article is problematic (or most problematic). Go to its talk page. Say precisely what's wrong, citing reliable, independent, published sources for what you assert. If on the other hand Wikipedia in general disgusts you, then waste no more time on it and instead spend your time on other websites. -- Hoary (talk) 12:39, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

You may also propose specific changes to the an article when you post on its talk page, as long as it is supported by those reliable, independent, published sources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:06, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hunter Biden#Investor and lobbyist mentions an investigation but he hasn't been prosecuted, let alone convicted. Wikipedia is not going to claim somebody is criminal just because political enemies of his father claims it. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:40, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

When to use Draft for new articles?

I started creating a page for the Highland Council wards created in 2017 here User:ScottishNardualElf/sandbox/Highland_Council_Areas_In_2017. I copied the existing 2007 page and begun changing years links and sources, but I am realising there is a lot of work involved, and I want it to be of a good standard. I am not that experienced with Wikipedia, is it better where it is in my userspace or should be in draft? If it was in draft, would others be able to help with it? ScottishNardualElf (talk) 15:05, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@ScottishNardualElf: In my opinion in situations where you're working on edits to a page that you aren't ready to be published on the actual page the sandbox is the best place for it. Drafts are really for working on creating brand new articles that don't exist yet (or are currently just redirects). Could be wrong though ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:07, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, makes sense, many thanks --ScottishNardualElf (talk) 15:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

help establishing notability

I would welcome any help on establishing notability for a draft entry about Martha H Levine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Marsha_H._Levine

Her main accomplishment is as key founder of an organization called InterPride, which networked pride event organizers. She did this work in the early 1980s when lesbian media visibility was very low. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterPride

Thank you. Sunrisesoup (talk) 14:11, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

To establish that she is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article, someone will have to add the the draft citations of reliable independent sources that discuss her extensively. (Describing her accomplishments here will not help.) Maproom (talk) 15:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Request for an article on Dhindora (Web Series) by Bhuvan Bam

Can anyone please make a wikipedia page for Dhindora (Web Series) by Bhuvan Bam. I can provide more info about it. Partha Basak 08:49, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Partha Basak. Someone has already created an article for the said web series. See Dhindora. But it is currently nominated for deletion. You can see the discussion here. Eevee01^(talk) 09:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the info :) Partha Basak 15:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

death location

I am trying to find the death location for Joey Jordison, so the article about Joey can be updated. Where did Joey pass away? Thank you! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 14:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have already asked this at the article talk page, that is the correct place. 331dot (talk) 14:19, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I understand, I have yet to find an answer though. Maybe in the future, the answer will be known. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 14:31, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

The reports don't say, probably out of respect for the family. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:05, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

How to enable the question mark

Hello everyone,

I have recently regained access to this account and intend to use it. To this end, I have enabled the newcomer homepage to make a few things easier for me. However, I cannot for the life of me find out how to enable the blue question mark that floats on the page if you create a new account. Does anyone know how to enable it? Splatana (talk) 08:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Splatana: What blue question mark are you talking about exactly? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:20, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: When I created a different account before remembering I had this one, it had a blue question mark icon imposed on the edit page near the bottom screen. If I clicked on it, it opened into a kind of help menu where i think i could "ask a mentor" and another option which I can't remember. There doesn't seem to be an option in preferences to enable it, unlike the newcomer homepage. Thanks for helping again by the way! Splatana (talk) 14:39, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Splatana: Again no problem! I think it may have been replaced by the Newcomer Homepage, which also has an option to ask a mentor (which appears to be randomly assigned based on who is able to adopt new users). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:40, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Ah, that makes sense. Thanks again! Splatana (talk) 16:09, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Once again, no problem! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Mysteriously logged out

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T292779

Hello! So while i was making an edit to a user's talk page, I was all of the sudden logged out of my account without any warning. When I logged back in it said I could not edit due to a block on an IP. However when I tried again it appeared to not affect me. Anyone know what on earth just happened? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:13, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

To add onto the strangeness, viewing diffs on certain pages appears to have all my preferences disabled and the Alerts and Notices icons being replaced with the text of what they are. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:16, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I'm having the same issue that I am randomly being logged out I imagine it is an issue on the wiki side. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 19:17, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Known issue

they're working on it! ~TNT (she/her • talk) 19:17, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok. I'm assuming this has been an issue for a while. I saw that block message and I freaked out and went to get an IP block exemption on my account, however I Couldn't actually figure out which thing I needed to go to in order to request an IP block exemption. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:19, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Maybe because it's Thursday? Princess Persnickety (talk) 19:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Maybe. But what kind of technical maintenance could they be doing to cause some people to all of the sudden get logged out today? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:32, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

This actually appears to be a brand new issue (I was confused as to when the task was created because it said 7 PM today however for me 7 PM hasn't happened yet, and then I Remembered that all of Wikipedia uses UTC). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:36, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Rollin' back changes, should see an improvement shortly ~TNT (she/her • talk) 19:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Your edit summary confuses me as I see no pun― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:42, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Just a note, this happened to me several times yesterday. In addition, the alert and notice icons in the upper right hand corner were fully spelled out like "Alerts (0)" and "Notices (0)" rather than just the icon being displayed. But when I logged back in, the icons reappeared. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 16:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Is this right?

Respected Sir/ Madam,

Iam writing this to get clarification about a sentence in the article you created called 1981 Meenakshipuram conversion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Meenakshipuram_conversion). In this article in there is a sentence "In 1991, a decade later, 900 out of 1,100 converts returned to Hinduism, citing the lack of fulfillment of promises made during the conversions" and it has a inline citation no.16 which says the sentence was said by Mr. Narayanaswamy organiser of Arya Samaj( A Hindu organization). That is his opinion and not truth. Why is Wikipedia reporting Hindu organization as truth. Same line is also in the head para without inline citations. I think it is a mistake by Wikipedia staff. Please correct it.

Thank you Irfan. Irfanietha (talk) 16:30, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are not written by "staff" but by over 100,000 volunteers (of whom you can be one). Please make your comment at Talk:1981_Meenakshipuram_conversion and other editors who are interested in the topic should see it and come to a consensus with you about what the article should say. Note that Wikipedia cannot determine what is true (see WP:TRUTH): it can only repeat what those external to the encyclopaedia have said in reliable sources, which WP articles quote. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

That statement appears to come from an article written by a journalist, and is not Narayanaswamy's words. Read it carefully: But a decade later, of the 1,100 Harijans who had converted to Islam in 1981, 900 have returned to the Hindu faith. Says M. Narayanaswamy, 74, organiser, Arya Samaj, who spearheads the reconversion movement in the area: "The people were lured away by false promises-of jobs, money and land. And they got nothing. So now they want to come back" His direct quote follows, not ends with, "Says M. Narayanaswamy..." Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:09, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Help

Respected Sir/ Madam,

Iam writing this to get clarification about a sentence in the article you created called 1981 Meenakshipuram conversion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Meenakshipuram_conversion). In this article in there is a sentence "In 1991, a decade later, 900 out of 1,100 converts returned to Hinduism, citing the lack of fulfillment of promises made during the conversions" and it has a inline citation no.16 which says the sentence was said by Mr. Narayanaswamy organiser of Arya Samaj( A Hindu organization). That is a speech of one person and it is not news report said by journalist. Same line is also in the head para without inline citations. How to edit it?

Thank you Irfan Irfanietha (talk) 16:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Duplicate question, see above for a reply to the your first post. RudolfRed (talk) 17:05, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Does the Mission Peak page talk about the peak or the park surrounding it?

The current revision of the Mission Peak page appears to refer to it as both the peak and the park interchangeably, which adds a significant amount of confusion to the article. Which of these should the article refer to, and how to change it to refer to that? Should there be two articles: one for the peak and one for the park, or is that unneccesary? 206.213.190.64 (talk) 17:12, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! This is an excellent question to post on Talk:Mission Peak as part of your move request there. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:37, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

When should I expect to get responses about the question and move-request? 206.213.190.64 (talk) 17:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

One of the challenges in a volunteer-run encyclopedia is that you may never receive a response. You might want to advertise the move request on the appropriate WikiProject talk pages. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

How to change/add image on template?? Shall I put link there or what

Nikoloz Ratiani (talk) 15:38, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nikoloz Ratiani Are you talking about userboxes? Eevee01^(talk) 15:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I think they may actually be talking about infoboxes. If so, all you have to do is put Example.png(/jpg/svg/whatever the file is) in the correct place and it'll find that image and display it in the infobox. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@User:Blaze The Wolf No,no, how to change image showed on a specific page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikoloz Ratiani (talk • contribs) 15:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nikoloz Ratiani: Welcome to the Teahouse. It really depends on the template (which are usually infoboxes). In source mode, there's usually a parameter called image or similar in a template, and you'd change the file name to the one you want. If this is for a pre-existing image, you're going to want to see if there's consensus for it to be changed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:04, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu like if a image of a map of specific region is incorrect, how can I put correct one there, just type it's name in and then .png,jpg,svg or something like that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikoloz Ratiani (talk • contribs) 16:44, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nikoloz Ratiani: Pretty much, but again, I would discuss with other editors who are watching that article on that article's talk page before making such a change. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Praxis EMR waiting for review

Hello, I've been editing the Praxis EMR draft, and I've noticed that it has been on the queue waiting for review for a long time now. Is there any way to speed the process up? Thanks, Astropolar13^talk 17:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Astropolar13: no there isn't, and there are other drafts who have been waiting for longer. Please be patient. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Astropolar13. You can add relevant WikiProject tags to your draft by using this link: Articles for creation/Add WikiProject tags. For instance, if you wrote about a female astronomer, you would want to add the Biography, Astronomy, and Women scientists tags. Eevee01^(talk) 18:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies, it just seemed that 3 weeks was a long time (in comparison with previews submissions where it took a week at most) and I got worried that something might had gone wrong with the submission process. Astropolar13^talk 18:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I just noticed that the relevant categories are already added: Draft_talk:Praxis_Electronic_Medical_Record Eevee01^(talk) 18:45, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

During the summer, a huge effort by a cadre of reviewers reduced the AfC drafts backlog from more than 4,000 to under 250. Sadly, it is creeping up again. The system is not a queue. David notMD (talk) 19:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Astropolar13: The draft page clearly says review pending and that it may take up to seven weeks. Also, you were told on your talk page on September 20 that there's a backlog. Despite your denial of having a conflict of interest, your anxiousness and the fact that your only other edit after starting editing this article was to add a Spanish paper promoting Praxis, suggests you should carefully read WP:DISCLOSE . TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Getting an article proposed for the actual encyclopedia reviewed

I created an article proposed for the actual encyclopedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Greg_Dahlen/sandbox2. I'd like to have a reviewer review it to see if it can become a page on the actual encyclopedia. Would I submit it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed? Greg Dahlen (talk) 17:07, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: I have added the appropiate information to allow you to submit it for review. See also Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:20, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Victor Schmidt. How did you do that? Greg Dahlen (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Greg. In addition to what Victor said, it may help you to know that the way the article is currently written will not suffice. The language needs to be completely neutral, and not make statements such as "The writing and photography were rich and examined dance from many valuable, thoughtful angles." Read similar articles such as this one, to get a feel for "encyclopedic" writing. Good job compiling sources, and keep looking for more, because independent, third-party coverage of the magazine will be very important for showing that it's notable. Happy editing! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:25, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox guidelines

Hi Teahouse. Plain and simple, I'm looking for guidance on what is and what is not permitted in a user sandbox. I noticed a user sandbox recently that includes an unsourced hoax... Reading Wikipedia:About the sandbox wasn't extremely helpful. Wikipedia:Sandbox states that users should not place promotional, copyrighted, offensive, or libelous content in sandboxes. Is that it? Didn't know if all polices and guidelines still applied to sandboxes (ok, obviously not everything applies to sandboxes, like MOS with testing and what not). Not really looking for commentary, just looking for a concrete policy or guideline to follow. Thanks! PerpetuityGrat (talk) 16:43, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

This is my personal take on it: Sandboxes are for "testing and experimenting with wiki syntax and the VisualEditor". So basically, if someone wants to test WP syntax in their sandbox by constructing an entirely fictional article about someone who never existed, just to experiment with info-boxes, layouts, templates etc., that would be valid; in fact it would be better than experimenting using a real individual, because there is no risk of offending the unfortunate subject. But if anyone ever came across that sandbox article, it would probably look like a hoax. The situation is this: sandboxes are obliged to stick to the law (no copyright material, no defamatory material) and this is sensibly extended to a requirement for civility. But sandboxes are the place where you can play without worrying about notability, citations or accuracy. If you, personally, are worried that something you want to do in a sandbox might look like a hoax, you could add a line of text at the top explaining it, analogous to the way the more realistic kids' toy banknotes often have something printed on them. But it's not really necessary. No one should be moving articles from sandboxes to "real" places (draft or main space) unless they know the material and know what they're doing. Elemimele (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Along with that, categories are also not allowed in the sandbox, as well as non-free images. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:35, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Article categories are not allowed on user sandboxes - see WP:USERNOCAT. GoingBatty (talk) 19:25, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok @Elemimele: and Blaze, I do appreciate the explanation... but I'm looking for a concrete policy or guideline rather than commentary. I can't really reference a discussion I had in the Teahouse. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 19:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@PerpetuityGrat: See the link GoingBatty provided above. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:31, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I didn't see that was added, as it looks like we both commented at the same time. That link is helpful, and I'll use the policies and guidelines that govern userpages also for sandboxes. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 19:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Prince Bao Long of Vietnam on Wikipedia

As a Vietnamese reader, how could Prince Bao Long be born on Jan 4, 1934 while his parents Emperor Bao Đai and Empress Nam Phương were maried the 20th of March 1934? this does not make any sense. Gross error? 69.42.3.111 (talk) 19:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Bảo Đại#Marriages lists Long's birth year as 1934 in one place and 1936 in another, so I added a tag to request help. It's possible he was born out of wedlock. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

The source used in the lead suggests 1936 is correct (saying he was 4 in 1940), so it could be an error. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:38, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

All the references on Bảo Long give a birth year of 1936, so I fixed Bảo Long and Bảo Đại. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Re-Reviews of Article Drafts

Hi there. I'm wondering if someone can clarify the re-review process for drafts? I created an article that was rejected on notability grounds. I saw an option for re-review and submitted it, specifying evidence which I believe shows that the topic in fact meets the requirements. However, I received an answer right away that my article will not be re-reviewed. Not that my evidence doesn't meet standards, simply that my evidence will not be looked at. Can someone explain to me the goal of the re-review process in this case? Here is the link to the re-review: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#12:16:15,_8_October_2021_review_of_submission_by_Ada%C5%9B

Thank you in advance for your help. Adaś (talk) 13:32, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

STATUS: Draft:SOTI declined five times and then rejected. David notMD (talk) 18:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Odd history here. User:Mfhamilton1977 worked on this for over a year - through five declines - the last after having removed all references (?!). User:Adaś edited for first time in August, adding large amounts of content and references. Rejected in August. Begs question as to whether Adaś brought in as undeclared paid to rescue the draft. David notMD (talk) 20:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

turning author names in references into links to wikipedia articles

I realized this morning on an article in my own sandbox that I can turn author names of my references into links to wikipedia articles when the author has their own article on wikipedia. On the sandbox article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Greg_Dahlen/sandbox2, the author of note 3, Selma Cohen, has her own article on Wikipedia. Nowhere else is her name mentioned in my sandbox article where I could link her, so I did it in the references. Is this good form? I can't recall seeing others do it on Wikipedia, but perhaps they have. I did the same with George Dorris, the author of the reference in note 4, because he too has his own article on Wikipedia, but his name isn't mentioned elsewhere in my sandbox article. On the article Can-can I see the author of note 9, Alfred Choubrac, has his own article on Wikipedia. Should I turn his name into a link there in the reference? His name is not given anywhere else in the Can-can article to link to Choubrac's own Wikipedia article. Greg Dahlen (talk) 19:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC) Greg Dahlen (talk) 19:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: Welcome to the Teahouse! You may use the |author-link= parameter, per Help:Citation Style 1#Authors. You should also be consistent with your references per WP:CITESTYLE - either format all the names as "Last, First" or "First Last". Also, "Associates, Larson" probably needs to be fixed. You may also want to move this to Draft:Dance Index. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I author-link in references, when it occurs to me that I can. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: In general, there's usually a corresponding documentation page for each template and if you search the name of the template in the "Search Wikipedia" box near the top of your browser, you should find the template's documentation page fairly quickly; for example, try searching "Template:Cite journal". Some highly used templates have very detailed documentation pages which explain all of the parameters which may be used, but all templates should have some sort of a documentation page. Although there's lots of overlap, not all parameters will work with all templates, which is another reason for checking the documentation page when having problems. In addition, many templates have been updated over the years, which means you may find some syntax still OK to use but which have been pretty much superseded. These parameters may still work, but for practical purposes they seem to have been replaced for the most part in favor of something else in most cases. The |author= parameter is one of these in my opinion and you can easily address the name order issues mentioned above by using |last= and |first= instead. You've done this in some of the citations in your draft, but not in other. If you use these two parameters correctly, you should never have a problem with name ordering in the citations you add. For what it's worth, the "author" parameter tends to work better with single-name authors such as an organization's name (e.g. Larsen Associates) or individuals known professionally and commonly by a single name; for example, this and this citation should read "Lawson Associates" and not "Associates, Lawson" in my opinion and using the "author" parameter seems better. If you reformat those two citations as |last=Lawson and |first=Associates, the citation (I think) will look like "Lawson, Asociates". There may be a way to supress that comma, but using the "author" parameter is simpler in my opinion. Finally, If you're using a script or tool like Wikipedia:RefToolbar/2.0 to format and add your citations, you might have to go back and tweak things manually to clean them up since the tool just seems to provide the most basic syntax for the citation and might not do things exactly as you want. The same goes when you try and copy the citation syntax you find used by others; the usage might not be exactly the same and may require a bit of tweaking. -- Marchjuly (talk)

Lead Section References

Hello. I was wondering the following: do i need to add references to the text in the lead section of an article? I just had this conversation over at the Finnish Wiki (where i do most of my edits), and while there were more than one perspective expressed, the consensus seemed to be that it is not necessary especially if the article won't most likely be expanded. I have learned the hard way that the rules aren't always the same between the Finnish and English language wikipedia, so i want to be sure of this. Thanks. Xäkim (talk) 12:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Xäkim See WP:LEADREF. If the article is correctly made, refs in lead should not be necessary, because then the ref will be found in the body. But this is not always the case, and it's not forbidden to put refs in the lead. Some editors consider a ref-less lead a mark of quality. Also, some articles add refs to the lead because the subject is particularly controversial. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:30, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer. Xäkim (talk) 23:13, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding a newspaper article to an article you have

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_Brz%C3%B3skiewicz

Polish Wikipedia already has an lean article about Teresa Brzoskiewicz. There is a link to her biography, but the link does not work. I am in possession of a wonderful newspaper article/biography from "The Polish American". I do not know anything about copywrite laws.

I would love to share this information worldwide via Wikipedia. Could this article be shared both legally and otherwise? Could it be included in the American Wikipedia? Can I pass it on to Wikipedia in photo copy/attachment form. I do not want to be an editor or re-type the entire article, just want send the article to share it.TryAgain67 (talk) 23:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC) TryAgain67 (talk) 23:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Copyright laws shouldn't matter for citing it; we would just need enough bibliographical information to look the newspaper article up in an archive. The minimum required information is: Outlet name, edition (i.e. 1 Jan 1923), article name, article byline, and the page(s) the article is on. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:10, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@TryAgain67: Thanks for trying to share info, but you're better off bringing this to the talk page of the Polish Wikipedia [[13]]. We don't have an article about her in English and therefore can't do much with it here. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:14, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

TryAgain67, on copyright. You say: I do not know anything about copywrite laws. You mean copyright laws. I point out the misspelling so that it's easier for you to find in a search engine. Simply, you can assume three things: (i) anything published in the last few decades (or anything never published) is copyright unless you can show explicit evidence to the contrary; (ii) anything that's copyright isn't copyleft and thus isn't republishable for this website or any of its associated websites unless you can show explicit evidence to the contrary; (iii) any republication by you of copyright material will be jumped on by other people (who will be annoyed because you have wasted their time). ¶ On uploading articles: neither Wikipedia nor Wikimedia Commons accepts the upload of text articles (even those whose copyright is not problematic), as far as I know. ¶ On "the American Wikipedia": Wikipedia exists in various languages. The English-language one has readers and writers in/from the US but also from elsewhere; though it does sometimes seem obsessed by US pop culture, it doesn't claim to be, it isn't, and it's hardly ever called, "American". -- Hoary (talk) 00:46, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you-Jamesbond

Hello this is a formal thank you for letting me know i needed to fit the encyclopedic format for all pleasure

Jamesbond — Preceding unsigned comment added by J4mesb3nd (talk • contribs) 18:39, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

J4mesb3nd What you created in your Sandbox in no way resembled a Wikipedia article - being your own thoughts on a matter - and so was declined. Study WP:YFA if you are serious about creating an article. But be aware, however, that newcomers are strongly advised to put in months of improving existing articles as a way to learn about Wilipedia, before trying to create an article. David notMD (talk) 19:06, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

J4mesb3nd Besides, there exists already Brazen bull, which is the device, you're trying to describe. --Maresa63 ^Talk 00:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Question about my IP

hello, i am afraid about my IP address. a friend of mine logged in on my phone using her account on Wikipedia and did some edits. I am afraid that we might be mistaken as sockpuppets. Can i have a checkuser to help me check if my current IP address is already registered in her account too? 😭 MisterKaybear (talk) 12:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't bother taking the time of checkusers on this. If both of you edited only when logged in then the edits are against your individual accounts. The IP addresses are irrelevant and wouldn't lead to you being accused of socking (unless both of you did the same nefarious thing). IP addresses can change frequently in any case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

MisterKaybear, there is nothing improper about two good faith registered Wikipedia editors using the same device, whether it is a smartphone, a tablet or a computer. It is important to log in and out properly, though, and to maintain password security. If person B uses person A's account, that can lead to problems. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:59, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Space 220 Restaurant article

On the article Space 220 Restaurant, Wikipedia said it sounded like an advertisement, i tried my best to change that. How can i change some things to not make sound like an advertisement? Kaleeb18 (talk) 23:56, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Kaleeb18

Kaleeb18 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Everything about the menu/offerings of the restaurant and pricing should be removed. A Wikipedia article should provide a historical overview, summarizing what independent reliable sources state about it, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable business. 331dot (talk) 00:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

So saying what it serves sounds like an advertisement. Can i make a section saying gallery and still use the pictures of the food?Kaleeb18 (talk) 00:06, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Kaleeb18

Personally I would concentrate on the article text for now. 331dot (talk) 00:13, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Welcome to the Teahouse! You may not copy pictures you find on the internet and upload them to Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 01:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty you actually can upload images from the internet if they have the right license. If you go to Disney tourist blog and look at the copyright info you can see that Tom Bricker is fine with people using his images. Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:35, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Kaleeb18

@Kaleeb18: I apologize for making a blanket statement without looking at the specifics of this website. Notice that commons:File:Space_220_Restaurant.jpg and your other photos have been tagged for missing evidence of permission. It's not clear to me that https://www.disneytouristblog.com/photo-usage-tom-bricker/ includes permission to upload to Wikimedia Commons with a CC-BY-SA-4.0 license, but you can ask at Commons. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I also want to know a way to keep most of the menu section and images without making it sound like an advertisement because I worked hard on finding images and the food they sell. Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:45, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Kaleeb18

Kaleeb18 My opinion is no food photos, no menu item descriptions, no prices. No, no, no. The article is about the restaurant, decor, ambiance... Not the food. Instead, the restaurant website can be an External link. Readers can go there to see the menu offerings. David notMD (talk) 20:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Kaleeb18. Imagine this dialogue:

"Sir, that extension you have built on your house doesn't meet safety standards, so you'll have to take it down.

"But I worked so hard on it! Is there a way I can make it safe?"

"No, only by demolishing it and starting again, following standards from the start."

I'm afraid that's the position you are in. If an independent reviewer has written several paragraphs about the dishes on the menu, then it might be acceptable to mention them, basing the text on that independent review. But if (as is usually the case) all the information about their menu comes from the restaurant themselves, then it does not belong in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 21:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I removed all descriptions and photos of menu items and added the website as an external link David notMD (talk) 00:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Well thanks for the help and @GoingBatty I’m still trying to learn the license thing for images but do you know what kind of license those photos have by chance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaleeb18 (talk • contribs) 03:08, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: To get someone's attention, use Template:Reply to (or one of its redirects, like {{ping}}). I don't know what kind of license those photos have, but the photographer could follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 03:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Image question by Artemisia-californica

I am working on a WP page and want to add two graphic images for which I have permission-- verbally! How do I demonstrate permission in a way that WP will accept the images? Artemisia-californica (talk) 05:59, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Artemisia-californica: I have seperated your post from the (unrelated) section above. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for how to, however, please note that, "permission to use for Wikipedia" is usally insufficient, as all images need to either be freely licensed, in which case they could be uploaded to our central image reprository Wikimedia Commons, or meet all of the non-free content criteria. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:26, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

COI edit request

Hi to all who pay valuable attention to this, I have self-disclosed as a COI editor and post the edit request on the Talk Page of Garena Free Fire. The current content on the page is outdated and wrong on some parts and really needs an update and refresh. All contents I put on the Talk Page are valid with reliable third-party sources, and it's open to discussion if anyone has any concerns regarding the content. It has been two months since the first submission and I am quite aware of the waiting line ahead of my request, but I was wondering if there are any other ways to expedite the process or even just start the conversation to discuss about the content.

Should you have any suggestions or concerns, please feel free to contact me. Thank you. EsmeZhang (talk) 07:09, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

EsmeZhang, if there are particular errors or omissions in the current article, you can detail them one by one, giving references. But you have proposed a total rewrite of the article, in more promotional language, and omitting a minor criticism of the subject. This is unlikely to be accepted. Maproom (talk) 07:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hi, can I delete or remove sentences, or paragraphs, that do not have a reference? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 07:11, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: Yes, you could, but remember to use an accurate edit summary. Also, in some cases it can be better so search for sources before deleting something. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:18, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Itcouldbepossible, you might also flag the unreferenced material with the "Citation needed", "Unreferenced section", or "BLP unsourced section" template, and return a few months later to remove what remains unreferenced. -- Hoary (talk) 07:45, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Writing an article that was previously considered unnotable, but might be notable now.

Hi, I'm a new editor to wikipedia, and I've noticed that currently the PA politician Sean Parnell doesn't have an article (it redirects to the 2022 senate race in PA). Personally, I think between his books (one of which has an article as well) and his several attempts to run for office, he would be considered notable. However, last year, people voted to redirect the article to the corresponding election page.

I think, between his senate campaign which has attracted attention from the media, as well as his previous attempts to run for office, the situation has changed, and he deserves his own article now. That said, I don't want to begin writing an article on him if its going to get deleted. Is there a place to discuss the notability of a subject before writing an article? Thanks in advance. Aparker314159 (talk) 04:50, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Aparker314159: Welcome to the Teahouse! After reviewing WP:POLITICIAN and WP:AUTHOR and WP:BASIC (all sections of Wikipedia:Notability (people)), you could state here which notability criteria best applies, and share your three best published reliable sources that provide significant coverage of him. GoingBatty (talk) 05:02, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Here are some news articles from (what I think are) notable sources: https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2021/10/05/Parnell-seeks-gag-order-against-wife-as-dispute-spills-into-campaign-Pennsylvania-Senate-candidate/stories/202110050147 https://news.yahoo.com/trump-endorsed-sean-parnell-raises-224400782.html https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/republican-sean-parnell-announces-run-open-u-s-senate-pennsylvania-n1267038 Do these qualify him for WP:BASIC? I'm not sure. Also, in a more general way, is there a place where these sorts of discussions on the notability of a topic that does not yet have an article can be discussed? (also, sorry if I formatted badly, I'm still trying to figure out how to do it) Aparker314159 (talk) 05:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

There also appears to be a draft article for him, so if he is notable, you wouldn't have to start from scratch. ClaudineChionh (talk) 05:06, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Something you may wish to bear in mind is that this particular article would fall under the discretionary sanctions for post-1992 American politics. I would be extremely cautious. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:16, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Aparker314159, I can't guarantee that an article wouldn't be deleted, but I'd be very surprised if an article on this fellow were summarily deleted because of lack of notability. I suggest that you improve on Draft:Sean Parnell until you're sure that what you have is sound and balanced (it doesn't have to near completion), and then submit it for promotion to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 07:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Can People Be Deleted On Wikipedia?

Can people be deleted on Wikipedia? LyraInfo (talk) 08:50, 9 October 2021 (UTC) LyraInfo (talk) 08:50, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Articles can be deleted following the Deletion policy. User accounts cannot be deleted. ClaudineChionh (talk) 09:03, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Recreating an article that was deleted per a deletion discussion

Hi. I'm here to ask a question that I want to recreate an article that was deleted per a deletion discussion. Can I create this article? Thanks. || Tajwar.thesuperman ^💬 09:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

You can see the reasons given for deletion. If the notability of the subject has changed since 2017 and you can provide reliable sources (preferably in English), you could create a draft article. ClaudineChionh (talk) 09:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

How to add a article draft

Hey there, can you add a article draft using Article Wizard? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:6417:F997:1873:7934 (talk) 04:02, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

People can create article drafts, and one way they can do so is by using Wikipedia:Article wizard. However, before trying this they'd be well advised to do a lot of work improving existing articles. -- Hoary (talk) 04:20, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Learning by editing existing articles is akin to a child on a bike with training wheels. There is a high failure/frustration rate for new editors whose first efforts are to create a new article. David notMD (talk) 10:18, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Edit reverted for copyright reasons for a book that is probably out of copyright... okay to put it back in?

I added a large quote from a book written in 1924 by an author who died in 1936 to Flugumýri Arson. It was reverted for copyright reasons. I'm not a copyright expert, but I think the book might be out of copyright almost everywhere. I'm happy to be corrected if that's not the case.

If the book is out of copyright, are there other reasons not to include a large quote?

Thanks. Clawsoon (talk) 11:34, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Clawsoon On other reasons. There can be, but context matters and reasonable minds can differ on what is "appropriate length". Some guidance at Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:45, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Pinging Snooganssnoogans, who removed the text in 2019. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:54, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks. I'm definitely not going to type the full text of the book into Wikisource, but the quote is probably(?) a bit long, at about 500 words. Good idea on the ping, thanks. Clawsoon (talk) 12:03, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Approval for New article.

Hi, I am a new writer and working on my first article. I realize it's going to be a journey and am requesting assistance on issues related to my article. How can I get someone to offer direct assistance to allow for speedy approval?--TeehGiant (talk) 10:56, 9 October 2021 (UTC) TeehGiant (talk) 10:56, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

At Draft:Phineas Kimathi, I cleaned up format, but it needs a lot of work. There is a LOT of content that has nothing to do with Kimathi. There is no "speedy approval." There is currently a backlog of close to 2,000 drafts submitted to Articles for Creation. The system is not a queue, but it can be up to two months for a draft to be reviewed. David notMD (talk) 11:09, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

TeehGiant, a reference backs up the proposition that has (or the propositions that have) just been expressed. But in this draft you write for example President Uhuru Kenyatta^[11] in his Jubilee Manifesto (2013-2017) promised to get the Safari Rally back on the WRC calendar. This implies that the proposition expressed in "President Uhuru Kenyatta" is referenced. However, there is no proposition. If you'd just like people to be able to read up on Kenyatta, that's simple: you link the name: [[Uhuru Kenyatta]]. -- Hoary (talk) 12:13, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding a child's name to an article

Hi, I have doubts about adding the first name or full name of a child of a public figure? (They have announced the name via Instagram post and I've added a RS for the same). I'm aware that we can't add the name of non-notable children in the infobox but I'm unaware of any policy for avoiding the child's name the main. Does it comes under WP:BLPNAME? In some articles I've seen the mention of the first name but in others only number is mentioned. Here is the link for the change I made. There is also a article which I edited months ago which had the name of the children. If there is any such policy to avoid names will it apply to the name of the spouse also? Eevee01^(talk) 14:09, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Eevee01 I'll give you my opinion. Per that ref and WP:BLPNAME, you can include the name of the child. Per WP:BLPNAME, you can also exclude it. My own preferece is exclusion of name. I see no reason to mention Instagram in-text, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you for your advice. I've removed the mention of Instagram and the name (edit). Eevee01^(talk) 15:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Seek guidance on adding photo to article about living person

Interested in the writings of Brian McVeigh, I am discovering that, indeed, there's a Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_J._McVeigh) but the article has a (deserved) maintenance tag and it lacks a McVeigh photograph. I would like to edit the article and, among other things, provide a photograph. Probably, I can figure out how to contact McVeigh directly and ask for a photograph, stating my intention. Or, I could contact the sponsors of events where he has made speaking presentations and seek photographic images there. Please give me guidance on the optimal path I should take, and, in addition, please advise me on what licensing I should obtain in order to satisfy Wikimedia/Wikipedia requirements? Thank you. Canhelp (talk) 14:00, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Canhelp The easiest way from "our" side is that McVeigh himself or someone standing close enough takes a new (as in previously unpublished) pic and uploads it themself with the process that starts here. It's possible for the copyright owner (almost always the photographer) to release already published pictures under an acceptable license too, but that is more bothersome and bureaucratic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:58, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for this guidance. Canhelp (talk) 15:07, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Suppress automatic hyperlink formation for URL text?

Howdy. I've got some text that's the URL of a DoH server, so not something you can click on and browse to with a web browser. I need to display it in a table, as plain black text, not a hyperlink. I've already found span class="plainlinks", which helps a little, but I really just need it to not be converted to a hyperlink at all. Can anyone suggest a formatting tag to prevent that? For reference, this is what I'm talking about:

https://this.should.not.be.a.clickable.blue.hyperlink

Also perhaps of interest, when I submitted this through the Teahouse new question submission form, it deleted everything except the text inside the table cell, so there's a bug there, either in the parsing or in the bogon filtering, depending how you look at it. Way beyond me to try to fix, though, sorry.

So, anyone have any suggestions? Thanks! EVhotrodder (talk) 15:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@EVhotrodder: Something like this: https://this.should.not.be.a.clickable.blue.hyperlink or this: https://this.should.not.be.a.clickable.blue.hyperlink Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Perfect. EVhotrodder (talk) 15:32, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Cannot load a jpg file into my sandbox test page

Hi, I'm interested in possibly making a contribution to Wikipedia and wish to experiment creating an entry in my sandbox. However, when I attempt to load a jpg file into my latex code I receive the message:

We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons.

I realize I need to release the file using a tag

I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into the public domain. This applies worldwide.

If this is not legally possible:

I grant any entity the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law.

but do not understand how to work with this. Could someone explain this to me?

Thanks, YouriensYouriens (talk) 17:54, 9 October 2021 (UTC) Youriens (talk) 17:54, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Youriens, Wikipedia articles (and drafts, and talk pages, and sandboxes) do not contain images. Many of them contain links to images, usually on Wikimedia Commons, but sometimes on Wikipedia itself. Uploading an image to either is not trivial, largely because it involves understanding and following copyright restrictions. Maproom (talk) 18:54, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok, just for testing, I added the release all rights tag to the file via PD-self then linked to the Wikimedia Commons copy I saved and then was able to include it in my test file. Won't do much more than this and will study a bit on the practices here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youriens (talk • contribs) 19:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

usa or the usa

f 104.182.156.60 (talk) 02:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Do you have a sentence as an example? David notMD (talk) 07:39, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Probably neither. See MOS:NOTUSA for the guidance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I think it is said the USA or just say America Kaleeb18 (talk) 12:18, 9 October 2021 (UTC)Kaleeb18

@Kaleeb18: Please read MOS:NOTUSA, as it states "do not use U.S.A. or USA" (with a couple of exceptions). GoingBatty (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Declined Boy Sullivan

I do not understand what is missing in my article. While I just did the style read in wikipedia. Please elaborate JavaHurricane. Shardbytes (talk) 07:50, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

What's missing Shardbytes? For one thing, Draft:Boy Sullivan lacks any referencing whatever, so for all the reader knows, the content may be mere fiction. Additionally, it has promotional language ("Legend"), strange capitalization, and other mysteries (Is the "local Philippine Language" Ibanag?). I strongly advise you to familiarize yourself with existing articles before you attempt to create one afresh. -- Hoary (talk) 08:00, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Shardbytes: It certainly is fiction if in real life [he] is a Filipino Singer and Actor and yet we learn he died in 2020! Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Shardbytes: Also, albums should be italicized, while song titles should be within "quotation marks". Neither should be in bold. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:21, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Space 220 Restaurant revisited

I removed a lot of menu detail from Space 220 Restaurant, but in revisiting the article, have a new concern, being that all of the references are either from Disney (primary source) or blogs. Pinging the creating editor Kaleeb18 to ask if these can be replaced by independent, secondary references. David notMD (talk) 14:36, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

It's weird that neither the article, nor the "official site" that it links to, says where this restaurant is. I guess that a Disney copywriter doesn't realise that there are people in the world who don't know. Maproom (talk) 15:04, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

In case you wish to visit, Maproom, the location is in the Infobox for the restaurant ,-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Not really. The Infobox gives the location as "Walt Disney World’s EPCOT in the Future World Pavilion adjacent to Mission: SPACE", but doesn't say anything about where in the world it is. --bonadea contributions talk 17:25, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

EPCOT is already wikilinked in the first line of the lede (as are Walt Disney World's and Mission: SPACE); you could also link it in the infobox. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.207 (talk) 18:41, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Added (Florida) so clear that Disney World, Florida, is the only site with a Space 220 restaurant. Refs my current concern. David notMD (talk) 21:33, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Protected talk pages

Hi, egregious teahouse!

I once requested to lower the protection level of a talk page, which seemed strange (in part probably because I didn't notice similar cases in my previous existence as a registered editor). It turned out to have been semi-protected in occasion of some severe disrupting behavior and left protected for what I would say was way too long. The protection policy seems to discourage long protections of talk pages, but the list of protected talk pages seems quite long. This list includes things like the Main talk page, archives/subpages and recent cases that seem fine to protect. Requesting to remove the protection level is surprisingly easy and giving a predefined expiration date for the protection in severe cases of regular disruptive editing doesn't seem to be a smart move, but I was wondering how many cases are there, where the protection was just left in place for too long without anyone noticing or complaining, if there is a better way to filter legit cases out of this list and find out if this is an actual problem, and if it's worth to bring up the matter somewhere else for discussion.

Edit: I just noticed the previous section, I have a dynamic IP, but I'm not the same person (believe it or not). Anyway this question is not aimed at specific talk page protections, and is related mostly to older ones (guess several month/one year would be a reasonable threshold) and the general problem (if there is one). ×176.247.148.163 (talk) 04:48, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Semi-protection of talk pages occurs only when there has been persistent disruptive editing of that page such as trolling, vandalism, copyright violations, libel, threats of violence and the like. The length of the protection should be proportionate to the length of the disruption. Administrators are empowered by the community to protect pages that have been disrupted on an ongoing basis. If you wish to edit semi-protected pages, you can do so by registering an account, making ten edits and waiting four days. It is easy and has the additional benefit of concealing your IP address. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I notice that you say you were "previously" a registered editor. Just log in, then! Unless your previous account was blocked. If so, you are engaged in block evasion. On the other hand, if you lost your password and do not have email enabled, then open a new account. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:12, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I didn't really like being a registered user and locked myself out (it was kind of addicting and after some time I noticed that I started to engage more in less productive discussions and less in productive contributions, for now I can do the productive part without an account and I guess it's a subjective matter; I enjoyed mostly the gnomish part!). Anyway I know how to suggest edits, request protection reduction, make an account or what not, I just think that a protected talk page is discouraging to occasional editors and was wondering if forgetting to lift the protection to a talk page for longer periods is common enough to be a real problem. (the link I gave has some serious filtering problems and doesn't give a clear answer). 176.247.148.163 (talk) 05:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough, IP editor. What I do not understand is your comment about "forgetting". If I, as an administrator, decide to semi-protect a page for six months or one year, then how does "forgetting" enter into it? Am I expected to check in monthy to ensure that the protection is effective in preventing disruption by new editors and IPs? Of course not, since semi-protection is 100% effective in its effects, and the semi-protection will expire at the end of its term, whether or not I remember, or have been hit by a bus in the interim. On the other hand, if anyone makes a good faith objection to the semi-protection that I have imposed, I am obligated to explain and defend my decision. And if I was killed by a bus, another administrator would evaluate the situation. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:34, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I honestly wish you to stay away from buses (busses?), at least as much as it's beneficial for your well being. Many talk pages protections I saw were listed as "no expiry set" (not sure if they actually are indefinite or are just listed as such to avoid persistent vandals to just set an alarm and start again when the protection is lifted or what is the common practice in such cases). I didn't really mean to put on administrators much more load than they already have or expect them to keep track of every protection they set in place. In my case the protecting administrator was active and so friendly and fast to respond that I regretted not mentioning the problem just on their talk page (which I later found was the preferred procedure). I just thought that if there is a significant number of old talk page protections and a reasonable way to filter the legit/unproblematic ones out, it would make sense to go through the list to check for probable outstanders (I would actually go through a couple hundred entries, for more a bot seems more suited, for less, I guess it's not a real problem, and yeah, whether it is a real problem or not is the main question and should be the first to be answered). 176.247.148.163 (talk) 07:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

One aspect that I didn't point out is that this problem, if real, is more likely to affect unpopular articles, where occasional IP editors seem more likely to contribute significantly, while popular/controversial ones attract both more persistent disruptive behavior and requests to reduce protection. As it's hopefully clear, I am still talking about angels dancing on the head of a pin. 176.247.148.163 (talk) 09:27, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

"Egregious" ...? Please explain. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, the Teahouse is notorious for the fine manners of its participants or, more clearly, I was just trying to be funny by using an unusual word and arguably failed in my attempt. There isn’t much more hidden meaning in the use of this adjective. The discussion above seems to have derailed way faster than I expected and I was wondering if the Help desk or some other place would give me a faster way to verify that my preoccupations about long standing talk page protections are indeed unfounded. 176.247.148.163 (talk) 11:29, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

On Wikipedia it's best to be more careful with your humor. I think WP:HUMOR explains it pretty well. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:51, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I am deeply sorry for having used the world "egregious", I didn't realize how much harm this would cause and wont do it again in the future or expect some actual answers. 176.247.148.163 (talk) 00:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

You may find User:Wugapodes#Unprotection experiments interesting. ― Qwerfjkl talk 09:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if it's listed there, but I unprotected Talk:Justin Bieber a couple months ago and it seems to be doing well. Ime, talk disruption is very localized, either specific LTAs or controversial, high profile subjects. It can be useful to indef a page in some cases, and yeah most admins forget to return years later. Its a hard thing to prevent (I can barely remember breakfast) so it's better to just ask an admin to unprotect if you see a page you want to edit but can't. Once the cause has passed it's usually fine to unprotect, but any uprotecting admin should watch the page for a month or so in case problems return. I'm still working through the indef move protection log, but I'll look through indef talk protections when I get a chance. Good task for any admins looking for something though. — Wug·a·po·des 21:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Trouble authorizing an image

I am trying to use the following image. The language is public domain, from the website deepadaptation.info, as follows.

Resilience: what do we most value that we want to keep, and how? Relinquishment: what do we need to let go of so as not to make matters worse? Restoration: what could we bring back to help us with these difficult times? Reconciliation: with what and whom shall we make peace as we awaken to our mutual mortality?

The graphic design is my own. When I try to insert, I get the message:

An automated filter has identified this edit as potentially unconstructive, and it has been disallowed.If this edit is constructive, please report this error.

Or:

We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons.

I'd love to show you the image but it is blocked here too. How may I get permission to use such an image? The references the error message gives me are so broad, I have not found any useful information.

I also have the option of using an image from a masters thesis. How would I go about getting permission for that from the author? Artemisia-californica (talk) 21:02, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Artemisia-californica: The exact words come from [14], but they don't look like they're in the public domain. I don't know what context this is in, but copying those words may also be problematic from a WP:NPOV standpoint. Also, it hardly makes sense to put just words in an image, instead of in the article body. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Let's start, Artemisia-californica, by looking at the text. It comes from this page within deepadaptation.info. At the foot of the page, we're told "© Deep Adaptation Forum 2020 All rights reserved." Thus its content is not in the public domain. (Indeed, it's pretty much the opposite of being in the public domain.) And yet you write above "The language is public domain". How do you infer this? -- Hoary (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

You get somebody's permission to use their work, Artemisia-californica, by emailing them. But what do you say? Well, this is where it gets complicated; see commons:Commons:Volunteer Response Team. Apropos of which: Commons and Wikipedia are different. If you're having trouble uploading stuff to Commons, you should ask about this at Commons. -- Hoary (talk) 21:54, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Does Fandom count as a Good Source?

Curious, Do Fandom wikis or Fandom in general can count as good sources. I'm trying to make a page on Madness Combat and need some good sources or reliable source. Thegibuspyro (talk) 21:39, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Thegibuspyro: No; that's a self-published source. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 21:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Can it somewhat work? Thegibuspyro (talk)

@Thegibuspyro: No. More specifically, they contain user-generated content. For the same reason, we cannot cite Wikipedia either. You're going to have to find journalistic sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Really, the only place where Fandom could be used as a source, would be on an article related to Fandom. And even then it would only be used to prove things that otherwise wouldn't be able to be proved (like total number of users or something with their privacy policy) and wouldn't be able to be used outside of an external link. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:40, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Writing a new article for Draft:Pound Road

I have created a article draft for Draft:Pound Road, it says on your draft page: "Pound Road is a short (6.5 kilometre) urban arterial road in the south-eastern suburbs of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Pound Road runs northwest–southeast from South Gippsland Highway in Dandenong South to Narre Warren - Cranbourne Road in Narre Warren South. It's a local government areas of City of Greater Dandenong and City of Casey." Can you give us more information about your draft page? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:6417:F997:1873:7934 (talk) 09:42, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Do you have information about the road, published by a reliable source? If so, try adding it. As for me, I know nothing about any road in Melbourne (and am surprised that a 6.5 km road would merit an article). -- Hoary (talk) 12:03, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

The appropriate notability criteria is detailed at WP:GEOROAD. GoingBatty (talk) 23:42, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Orientation

I am working with the creator of The Periodic Table of Dimensions to create a Wiki page on said table. I have declared a conflict of interest in the interest of full disclosure. Is this the correct way to address the situation?

Also, I had uploaded a dozen or so images that I have the creators permission to use as public domain images, they have now been deleted because apparently I didn't note the copyright status correctly. What is the correct process for this?

Finally, there is one image that has not been deleted yet, I would like to update the copyright status. How do I do that before the file is deleted? JMueller248 (talk) 22:40, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Last thing first. For the not-yet deleted image, see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:The Periodic Table of Dimensions.jpg. You say there "I have full permission from the author and owner of all of these images to use them in the creation of this Wikipedia article." This seems to demonstrate a misunderstanding of what uploading to Commons entails. If, say, my business is making smoking appeal more strongly to teenagers and if I think that the diagram will somehow help me in this homicidal enterprise, then I can use the diagram for this purpose on my own website, as long as I retain the copyleft/PD information that Commons provides about it. -- Hoary (talk) 22:56, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

(2) Are you being paid for your work on Draft:Periodic Table of Dimensions? (3) Draft:Periodic Table of Dimensions is of course currently a draft that's not a candidate for promotion to article status. It therefore doesn't have to be referenced: the references can be added later. But will what it says be referenced, to reliable, published sources that are independent of the creator? (If it won't, then no article will be possible.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:14, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Further, JMueller248, beginning to write the content of a draft without first finding the reliable independent sources which will support what you are writing is like building a house without first building the foundations: your house will quite likely fall down, or you will have to redo most of your work once you have the foundations. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 23:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@JMueller248: You changed the licensing on the file to {{PD-self}}. Did you read that license? Did you notice that it begins with "I, the copyright holder of this work, ..."? Are you the person who created the original image? Is it really your "own work"? You might want to take a look at c:Commons:Own work and c:Commons:Scanning an image does not make it your "own work" for reference just to make sure you've not made a pretty big mistake that could affect the rights of the actual copyright holder if that person isn't you yourself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Seconded, JMueller248. Except that there's no "could" about it. You've announced (i) that you were (and nobody else was) the copyright holder, and (ii) that you've waived any rights to the diagram. Anyone wishing to use it for any deranged purpose (e.g. advertising bleach as a medicine to ward off the coronavirus) is free to do so, and without crediting anyone else: indeed, they're free to credit themselves for it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Can newgrounds count as a source

Well, can it? Thegibuspyro (talk) 02:14, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

It's user-generated content, so no. You might find it useful to thoroughly read WP:VERIFY and WP:RELIABLE before asking further similar questions. ClaudineChionh (talk) 02:23, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft title

How do you change a draft title? Is it possible? Thanks Johnswirb (talk) 01:59, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

You "move" it to its new title, Johnswirb. -- Hoary (talk) 02:08, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Johnswirb. A draft title can be changed using the move function, which is available to all autoconfirmed editors. More importantly, though, the title of a draft is of no real significance. What is far more important is the content of the draft, and the draft's references. If the topic is truly notable, and the draft clearly establishes that, then the AFC reviewer will move the draft to the proper title at the time that the draft is accepted into the encyclopedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:12, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Johnswirb: I moved your draft to Draft:Benny Smith (triathlete) for you. If you have any conflict of interest, please declare it on your user page. Also, I suggest you pick one date format for your draft (either MDY or DMY) and be consistent throughout the draft per MOS:DATEUNIFY. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Writing a new article for Draft:Berwick-Cranbourne Road

I have created another article draft for Draft:Berwick-Cranbourne Road, it says on your draft page: "Berwick-Cranbourne Road is a major (13.8 kilometre) urban arterial road in the south-eastern suburbs of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Berwick-Cranbourne Road runs northeast–southwest from South Gippsland Highway in Cranbourne to High Street in Berwick. It's a local government area of City of Casey." Can you give us more information about your draft page? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:9138:3B27:A91F:DC32 (talk) 03:35, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I think there's something not quite right about these road questions. ClaudineChionh (talk) 04:07, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

How did you respond to the replies that you got from your near-identical question about your creation Draft:Pound Road (similarly devoid of references and, it seems of notability)? The reason I ask is that I see no response to them; and if you ignore the responses you get to your requests, further responses to your requests would seem to be a waste of people's time. -- Hoary (talk) 04:45, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I have 2 new draft articles: Draft:Berwick-Cranbourne Road and Draft:Pound Road. 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:9138:3B27:A91F:DC32 (talk) 05:03, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

About article descriptions

The guidelines state to start descriptions with a lowercase letter if the word is not proper, but when doing that I get a warning telling me that descriptions typically don't start with a lowercase. I assume I should follow the guidelines and ignore the warning, but I always like to be safe. General Kipicus (talk) 22:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

General Kipicus, short descriptions on the English Wikipedia are added using {{short description}}. These are displayed to mobile users in the links to similar articles at the bottom of the page. The convention here is to capitalize the first word. Descriptions on wikidata have a different purpose, to disambiguate similar entries there. The convention there is to start with lower case. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I didn't know there were two types of descriptions. Thanks much! General Kipicus (talk) 05:19, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

How to became a Wikipedia Editor

MdNahidIslam.Qa (talk) 06:58, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Md Nahid Islam Sumon. First, please change your user settings so that you're using the default signature; so people will see that you're not "MdNahidIslam.Qa" but instead Md Nahid Islam Sumon. Secondly, try the "Wikipedia adventure". After that, make careful, minor edits to existing articles, always citing reliable, independent, published sources. Enjoy your time here! -- Hoary (talk) 09:14, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Can Fandom Wikis have pages

Well can I? Im trying to make a page on The Villains Wiki and Its history and notable categories. Thegibuspyro (talk) 00:11, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Does it meet the notability criteria for websites? ClaudineChionh (talk) 00:16, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

At Category:Fandom (website) wikis you can see a few. Some are less sucky than others. If you think you have sources per WP:NWEB, you can try. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:11, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah it does Thegibuspyro (talk) 02:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Most of the time the answer is no because Fandom Wikis are usually very small and about a niche topic so they don't get much coverage (and there's a lot of them about the same topic). However if they meet the above then yes there CAN be an article on one. The question is, should there be one? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

How to edit using Visual edit

Are we allowed to edit using Visual editor? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:9138:3B27:A91F:DC32 (talk) 10:08, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you are allowed to edit using the visual editor. The main difference between the visual editor and the source editor is that you don't need to worry about the coding of something, as the editor will take care of that for you. See Help:VisualEditor for its helppage. Two final points, 1) the visual editor isn't enabled everywhere. For example, on talk pages and in the Wikipedia:-namespace it isn't. 2) The ususal policies and guidelines still apply. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

How do I add something to my user page

On my user page how can I add the box things where it says stuff like this user is new or this user likes...

Is there a list of the templates I can use to make those? Kaleeb18 (talk) 03:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Those are Userboxes. You can learn all about them at WP:USERBOX. ClaudineChionh (talk) 03:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Kaleeb18 Welcome to the Teahouse. You can add them to your userpage by adding the following code on your userpage.

 
{{Userboxtop}}  
{{User WikiProject Userboxes}}  
{{User:UBX/Rome}}
{{User:Nihiltres/Userboxes/Friendly}}
{{Userboxbottom}}

You can replace them with whatever userboxes you like from the: Userboxes/Galleries. You can also request a customised userbox at Userboxes/Ideas or you could learn to create your own userboxes.Eevee01^(talk) 04:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Kaleeb18 (talk) 11:54, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Zzz2497: Welcome to the Teahouse! Since you made this post, you discovered that you could control the placement of the table of contents on your Draft:MDEX with the use of {{TOCleft}} and {{TOCright}}. Please be sure you've reviewed Help:Section#Floating the TOC. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:11, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

May I recommend that you leave the table of contents in its default position? Most readers will become used to Wikipedia's default layout, and subconsciously expect each part of a typical article to be in its typical place. Good luck! Elemimele (talk) 12:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Why were my fixes undone and labelled as unconstructive?

Is the page about cesspits SUPPOSED to talk about "soup" instead of "sewage"?

I went out of my way to look at the history and see that I was undoing graffiti.

Now I'm told my changes are undone because they "appear unconstructive" without any further context or qualification.

Hey JeffSpaceman, thanks for taking zero time to appreciate my first contribution and dismiss it out of hand.

I've been here one day and I hate it already. A-trolley-in-a-wiki (talk) 00:18, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@A-trolley-in-a-wiki: Hi there - I'm really sorry that your first experience of Wikipedia has been less than ideal. People do make mistakes, and in this case I think JeffSpaceman may have mistaken you as the vandal. I've removed the warning left on your user talk page ~TNT (she/her • talk) 00:23, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

People do make mistakes. They misread diffs or don't notice edit conflicts. Since the undo of your edit has the same time stamp as your undo of the vandalism it's most likely a simple problem of both of you seeing the vandalism and you making the undo first. The undo of your edit was reverted shortly after it was made and before you posted here. What are you expecting to happen? It's not a big deal. Clearly it was a mistake. Next time just restore the clean version again, and if you like, point out to the other editor that he made a mistake. Meters (talk) 00:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the user retired 6 minutes after opening this, so moot now. Meters (talk) 00:56, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

We don’t like to see new users hounded away, but with their excellent grasp of templates and procedures, I’m sure they’ll find a way to come back. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont)

I agree, and it's all because someone reverted their edit instead of fixing it as their edit was definitely constructive, it's just that they didn't readd the wikilinks to sewage. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I have discussed this on my talk page, but, User:A-trolley-in-a-wiki, if you're reading this, I am sincerely sorry for my conduct towards you. I should have taken a closer look at what I was reverting and the context your edit was in, and that's entirely on me. I understand why I may have alienated you, and it is very unfortunate to see a new user go. Best of wishes to you. JeffSpaceman (talk) 13:23, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

how can edit family tree

How can i edit someone family tree thanks KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 16:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@KhanQadriRazvi, Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, please could you be so kind as to expatiate on what you mean? Celestina007 (talk) 18:46, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Is this about the family tree in Akhtar Raza Khan? David notMD (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

yes, look in this faimly tree of ahmed raza

Hussain Raza Khan

Hasnain Raza Khan

here hamid raza have 2 son but here written about 1, ibhrahim raza having 5 son but here written 1 that is akhtar raza, this chat i can't use in subhan raza khan article because subhan raza is son of rehan raza who is elder son of ibrahim raza and elder brother of akhtar raza, so that the reason i am saking how can i edit this chart, help me to correct this faimly chart of ahmad raza khan thanks KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 04:35, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Interesting question. The chart appears to be a template that is identical in at least half a dozen articles. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can address ho to change a template. David notMD (talk) 16:07, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Instructions for how to edit such family trees are at {{Tree chart}}. I would advise to copy the content of {{Family tree of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi}} to your sandbox and try to fix it there first, and then request feedback on the proposed changes at the talk page of the articles that would be affected by the change. It would probably be best to centralize the discussion at Template_talk:Family tree of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi. Vexations (talk) 16:54, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Change on WTC article

The image on the new World Trade Center article needs to be changed. First, 4 WTC and 5 WTC (site) are not visible. Also, this image was taken in 2016, when 3 WTC was incomplete (it was opened in 2018). I don’t know about the copyright things, so can someone change the image so that all the buildings are (partially) visible and the picture is more recent? Vamsi20 (talk) 17:16, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vamsi20. The best place to discuss this is Talk:World Trade Center (2001–present). Any possible photo must be freely licensed. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:22, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks!

Vamsi20 (talk) 17:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Vamsi020. I suggest looking to see if you can find a suitable picture in commons:Category:World Trade Center (New York City): if you can, just put that in the article instead (or as well). If there isn't a suitable picture there, then you might be able to find a suitably licensed photo somewhere; but if you're in reach of NYC, your best bet is to go and take your own picture, which you can then upload to Commons. --ColinFine (talk) 17:44, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Can someone check the article on Black women

The beginning of the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_women seems to be highly emotional and un-encyclopedic. So I am requesting someone else to edit. Also is this wikipedia teahouse where you report articles or is there any other pages where you report articles that need improvement? LostCitrationHunter (talk) 09:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

The article's talk page is a good place to start, and you'll see there that other concerns have been raised. It might be worth asking in the African diaspora WikiProject which is also mentioned on the talk page. ClaudineChionh (talk) 09:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

In answer to your second question, of the more than six million articles in English Wikipedia, more than six million need improvement. There is no central place to report this. For each article, there is a Talk page where comments can be left, with the hope that editors who have an ongoing interest in that article will see and act. Or, do it yourself! On the flip side, there are new (and old) articles that do not meet Wikipedia's minimum standards to exist, so there are several article deletion processes. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@[User:David notMD] I did it! could you proof check if its allright? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LostCitrationHunter (talk • contribs) 17:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@LostCitrationHunter: As others have already said, the article talk page is the place to bring up any issues. It is a bit difficult to understand what you feel is "emotional" about the introduction, which seems very neutral, factual, and well-sourced. --bonadea contributions talk 19:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Bonadea: "Blackness as a concept is a colonial invention, which was used to justify slavery based on the ever-shifting, socially constructed definitions of race. Who is defined by others as Black and who defines themselves as Black continues to evolve across time and different societies.[1] This means the term "Black women" describes a multi-faceted cultural identity with different meanings around the world" seems not relevant in this section on black women. Yes it may be included in the section on "black community" but on "black women" i feel theres nothing mentioned of Women there. And the "Black internationalism"

while Black women are indeed black i dont see any point mentioning "a global political, intellectual, and artistic movement of African-descended people engaged in a collective struggle to overthrow global white supremacy in its many forms." again it may be mentioned at the page on "black community" but for "black women" i dont think we are even talking about the women itself!--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 19:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Use the article talk page to discuss this! --bonadea contributions talk 19:36, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Where to request help in finding stuff for a history section

Hello! So I'm working on expanding the history section of an article about a city and I'm wondering if there's a good place to request help in finding info on the topic of history for the city. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:33, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf the city's (main) public library is usually a good place to start, or if there is a college or university you can try its library too. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Many cities (and towns) have a historical society with on-line archives. David notMD (talk) 17:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Blaze the Wolf Depending on the city, you might find that there are plenty of books about its history, it's a fairly common topic of research for a lot of cities. You could probably get a start by just throwing "history of [city]" into a search on Google Books and then consult a library for anything you can't access from there. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 17:37, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright thank you! Any place I could go on Wikipedia? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, if you want to "[expand] the history section of an article about a city", you need, as you have said, to find information. You can do this via your favorite search engine, and in a large library (preferably one in that city). But now you ask about places on Wikipedia. What kind of help would you be hoping to get there? -- Hoary (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: I was simply wanting to know if there was any place I could ask about this on Wikipedia because I"m sure there are some people who are more knowledgeable in finding historical related sources then I am. I've kinda proven that I"m not all that good using Google's search engine. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:08, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, which city, and which aspect(s) of its history do you hope to flesh out? -- Hoary (talk) 22:00, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Not gonna specify which city since I live there (kinda the main reason I want to improve it, although I'll be using reliable sources and not my own knowledge). If you would like to know which city (and the aspects of the history since that also kinda goes along with the city) you can privately DM me on Discord (if you are on Discord, if not I'll try and think of some other way). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:05, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: forgot to ping. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:07, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

If it's the city you live in, Blaze The Wolf, then it's likely (though of course by no means certain) that English is a, or the, commonly used language. That's very helpful. Despite prolonged campaigns in many English-speaking nations to destroy the public sphere, many cities still manage to have (underfunded, understaffed, overworked) central libraries. Their accessibility may of course have been diminished by (legitimate) Covid concerns. But do you have a central library, and if so, what were your experiences there? -- Hoary (talk) 23:13, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: We do have a central library (called the city name Public Library) although I've never gone there for research related things, I've always just gone there for books to read. However I do kinda have an excuse to go to the library since I actually requested a book to be ordered and it's arrived, I just haven't checked it out yet. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, do you have a library card for your library? If you do, you probably have access to dozens, or hundreds of online databases and resources that may help you. Try using your library card to log in to your local library's website, and see what happens. Look for a tab or link called "e-library" or "databases" or "online resources" or something like that. Another option (card or no card) is just call up the library on the telephone and ask to be connected to the "reference librarian", and ask your question there. Mathglot (talk) 06:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, You have been given lots of good tips for getting started. I would be happy to get into specific places, how to search, etc. There's a lot of searching that can be done on-line, but you need to sort through search results, because so many of them would not be reliable sources. I worked on Tryon, North Carolina#History - perhaps the types of references used in the article are helpful. In addition, please feel free to leave a message on my user talk page. I would be happy to get the ball rolling with research.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:53, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

how to make newline to prevent lines running together-

I'm trying to find out how to make a newline.

I have to insert "
" or "

" at the end of every line, or they run together. However I noticed most of the text from others has no
or

. If I type in exactly what they have (copied into my sandbox), I get the lines run together. Is it because my operating systen uses \x0A for newline instead of \xOD\xOA? And of course those html tags get executed and don't show up in the question unless you look at the source! What I am using now are &lessthan, "br" or "p", &greaterthan. If I don't insert these tags, the lines run together: This is line 1. This is line 2. This is line 3. Take a look at my source (this question) and tell me where I am going wrong. Also how to escape a special sequence, although I guess I could find that in the manual. Eaberry (talk) 05:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Eaberry: there are a couple of ways, depending on what you are trying to do. In normal text were you want to take a new paragraph, leave a blank line in between. WP will render this as a paragraph break. Alternatively, if you want to force a line break then use "<br/>". A third alternative is where you want to cite something like a poem where all the line breaks are preserved: in that case use the {{poem}} tag. Hope this helps!--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I just thought of a fourth case - you might want a list. Lists can be numbered, bulleted, or (in your case) unbulleted. This is done using colons, depending on the indentation you want, as (see code or there are details at WP:PLAINLIST):

This is line 1.

This is line 2.

This is line 3.

If I didn't answer your question, please ask .... --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:17, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Finally, I should point out that you should only force a line break where it is necessary. This is because WP tries to format pages to display on all different types of device, from the smallest phone to a large desktop screen. This is best accomplished by letting it make as many decisions as possible, especially basics like line breaks.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Eaberry: You can display code with <nowiki>...</nowiki>. Don't write <p> alone. It requires an ending </p> but is rarely used in Wikipedia. We make a blank line to start a new paragraph. Lines separated by a single newline run together as you have noticed. This is not an error but also how HTML works. Please always link any page you want help with, also if you think it's a general question. I guess from User:Eaberry/sandbox that your real goal is to display formulas on their own line. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Mathematics#Using LaTeX markup recommends <math display=block>. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks all- that really clears it up! Eaberry (talk) 13:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC) Yes, writing equations. I will study #Using Latex Markup. (But now I can't get this reply to start on a new line).Eaberry (talk) 23:50, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article for Draft:Berwick-Cranbourne Road

Why did you delete this article for Draft:Berwick-Cranbourne Road? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:F46B:6485:BE20:3B13 (talk) 00:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

If you click on the redlink, you'll see a message stating that Imzadi1979 "moved page Draft:Berwick-Cranbourne Road to Draft:Berwick–Cranbourne Road without leaving a redirect (dash fix)". Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:45, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Problems to link a Template page to my article namepage.

Moved from Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk § Problems to link a Template page to my article namepage.

Hello, I created a Template page named "Template:ChongBlia Yang" under my namepage which is "Ban Phou Pheung Noi". I have problems to link it to my article. I followed instructions as following by typing in my namepage (article page) {{ChongBlia Yang}}, then click to Save + Published changes, and then I get the content of the template including "ALL" lines ===> to my page. To my understanding, it should showing only the "template:ChongBlia Yang" page, not the content. Do you know what I mean? And do you know what I did wrong? Why I don't get the template:ChongBlia Yang showing in my article page, when I wrote "ChongBlia Yang"? Could you help me please? Thank you.NruasPaoYPP [?] (talk) 12:22 am, Today (UTC+8)

@NruasPaoYPP:, please follow up from here on! – robertsky (talk) 18:18, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@NruasPaoYPP: I'm not sure what you are trying to do. You created Template:ChongBlia Yang but the content is not suitable for a template. Templates are used when the same or similar content should be displayed in multiple pages. See Help:A quick guide to templates. The code {{ChongBlia Yang}} displays the content of the template page. That is what it's supposed to do. If you only want to make a link to the page then you can write [[Template:ChongBlia Yang]] to produce Template:ChongBlia Yang, or [[Template:ChongBlia Yang|ChongBlia Yang]] to produce ChongBlia Yang. But we generally don't link to templates in articles. Templates are for editors and not readers. Did you want Template:ChongBlia Yang to be a new article? Articles are not in templates. You can use Wikipedia:Articles for creation to submit an article for review but it needs reliable sources to satisfy Wikipedia:Notability or Wikipedia:Notability (people). In discussions between editors we sometimes write {{tl|ChongBlia Yang}} to produce {{ChongBlia Yang}}, but we don't do it in articles. tl stands for template link and is itself a template: Template:Tl. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:05, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I should have left a comment that it was originally without the tl invocation. It was confusing as well with the template transcluded in afc help desk at first. I didn't know that doing this here as well would still induce confusion. Apologies. – robertsky (talk) 00:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It seems to be doing as expected. If you include {{ChongBlia Yang}} in an article it will transclude the template into the article, as it did when you tried it at Ban Phou Pheung Noi. If you are wanting to be able to link to ChongBlia Yang you should have created it as an article, and not a template, but you would need to include references to published reliable sources. To link to an article ChongBlia Yang you would include the link as [[ChongBlia Yang]]. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:09, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Is it possible that "Template" was selected incorrectly. It seems to me that this should be moved to Draft:ChongBlia Yang, and when ready to be posted in main space, moved to (article space) ChongBlia Yang.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Charles Williams

Charles Williams was listed in a wikipedia article with a group but not individually. Draft last edited september 5. how does the draft article get from draft to a full article? Flagship1 (talk) 00:52, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Flagship1: As I stated in the Draft article section above, "Draft:Charles Williams has not yet been submitted for review - you can add {{subst:AfC draft}} to the draft when you're ready to submit it. However, if you were to submit it today it would surely be declined for lack of footnotes. I suggest you review Help:Referencing for beginners and change that collection of bare URLs to footnotes." Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

How to add a template using AUshield

Are you allowed to add a template, for example: {{AUshield|VIC|M1}}, like this: , for AUshield? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:F46B:6485:BE20:3B13 (talk) 02:33, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Looking for help/advice on Deletion

Hello! Thank you for always being so helpful and nice. I am still learning how things work here. So this is mostly a request to teach me the proper cultural protocol for wikipedia. The Texas city, town, and village lists are now redundant. Before anyone jumps to that actual topic, my question is mostly about how to cooperatively fix these sort of things. I tried the talk pages. No response. I thought because they are lists about all of Texas, that the Texas Portal would be helpful, or the Texas WikiProject perhaps. I don't actually know how to get anyone's attention there or ask a question... That probably sounds silly, but I can't figure it out. I have spent all of today reading through the deletion instructions, and types, and process. There is a lot of material and I still am not sure if this is likely to require a discussion or not. So the gist of the deletion is: Texas law makes little distinction between city, town and village, so the List of municipalities in Texas updated to include all of them. Now the List of villages in Texas and the List of towns in Texas are complete redundant with the Municipalities list, and these two lists are not being updated like the municipalities list so they are behind (aka out of date). They should probably be "merged" or "deleted". Don't know which. Don't know how? Don't know who to ask. Thanks Katrazyna (talk) 02:14, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Katrazyna: Welcome to the Teahouse! When you go to a WikiProject or Portal, you can click on the "Talk" tab and post a request there (e.g. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Texas and Portal talk:Texas) and invite them to the discussion you've already started. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

change logo postion

hi sir,

how to change the postion of a compant logo? for example , i want to change it from "right" to "middle"

ty. Zzz2497 (talk) 03:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Zzz2497: Welcome to the Teahouse! Please let us know which Wikipedia article or page you're referring to, so we can provide the best answer. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:10, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty :its still under Draft not sure if u can check it. (Draft:MDEX).

ty sir .

Zzz2497, by longstanding convention, a logo appears at the top right of an English Wikipedia article. Also, we do not use non-free logos in drafts, as a matter of policy. Why would you want to do things differently? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:45, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Zzz2497: I see you uploaded commons:File:Mdex logo.png and commons:File:Mdex company logo.png with claims that the company has licensed their logo. I nominated the files for deletion, since there is no indication on www.mdex.com that they chose to license their logo. If Draft:MDEX is accepted as an article, someone can upload the logo to the English Wikipedia under a fair use license (not to Commons, as they don't accept fair use images). Then someone can add the logo to the article by editing the infobox so it includes something like |image = [[File:Mdex logo.png|alt=Mdex logo]] which will center the logo inside the infobox.

Also, if you are an owner or employee of the company, or are being paid by the company to create an article, you have a conflict of interest that you must disclose on your user page. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

A question to tea house

How can I write my own page 206.84.237.45 (talk) 05:20, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

If you mean an article about yourself, you shouldn't, see WP:Autobiography. If you mean an article about a subject which satisfies Wikipedia's notability requirements, see WP:Your first article, but you would be advised to gain experience in editing existing articles first. If you mean a user page for a registered account, see WP:User pages. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Moving draft

Hi all, i moved a draft to Article, but its re-directed to draftspace ,I have done some modifications can i move it again.plz help me. Shrlyn005 (talk) 07:19, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Shrlyn005, Draft:Abeer Soofi is a draft. Your modifications were insufficient. If this man merits an article, then (i) you will be able to present reliable, independent, published references for what the draft says, and (ii) all of this will add up to demonstrate that he is notable. Until then, this should remain a draft. -- Hoary (talk) 09:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

STATUS: Declined four times, resubmitted to AfC. Given this history, the only path open is to hope that you have improved the draft to a point that the next reviewer will approve it. David notMD (talk) 10:17, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Shrlyn005 - Your draft has been rejected. Do not resubmit it. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Review draft

Can you review my draft please. Patokku (talk) 10:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Patokku Hello and welcome. You have submitted your draft and it is pending. As noted in the submission box at the bottom of the draft, "This may take 7 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,730 pending submissions waiting for review." Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 10:39, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Patokku Teahouse hosts are not AfC reviewers. You have had two drafts reviewed and approved on the same day those were submitted (wow!), but as stated above, there is a large backlog of drafts waiting for review, and the system is not a queue. Could be days, weeks, months. David notMD (talk) 11:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Can I be an active participant?

I want to join WikiProject Insects but don't know if I am supposed add my name in active participants or inactive (check this part). As of now, I have made 4 articles to this project. Excellenc1 (talk) 10:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1, I'm pretty sure "active" here means "active on WP when I added myself", so go for it. I don't think lists like these are regularly updated by other than the people on it, I clicked on one editor in the list as an experiment and found [15]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Dealing with users using misleading usernames

I found a user called "Dance.Page.Bot" had a misleading username, containing the word bot even if they are not a bot. So what should I do with this user? RainbowLover334148 (talk) 12:49, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

RainbowLover334148 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Inappropriate usernames may be reported to WP:UAA. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

How can I report it? RainbowLover334148 (talk) 12:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

RainbowLover334148 There are automated tools that make it easier, such as Twinkle, if you intend to do a lot of reporting, but for now if you visit UAA and edit the user reported section, instructions are provided in the edit window. 331dot (talk) 13:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I've placed a warning on the user's talk page. This puts the page into Category:Wikipedia usernames with possible policy issues. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thank you! So you have blocked the user as I said so there's no need for me to use WP:UAA. RainbowLover334148 (talk) 13:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but User:Dance.Page.Bot has indeed been blocked, for sockpuppetry. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Protection question

Can a page be protected such that the level of move protection is less than the level of edit protection? e.g. a page that is template protected and EC move protected. dudhhr_Contribs 13:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Dudhhr: I think in theory yes however this is almost never done as usually if you can't edit a page but are able to move it then there's no point in protecting it since it can still be moved. However I Could be wrong since I'm not all that familiar with what is and isn't possible with page protection. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Tower 42 Updates.

Hi,

You have just undone a few changes i have made.

I work for Tower 42, and can confirm the information on this Wikipedia page is out of date. The occupiers are incorrect, the information regarding the new lighting displays needs to be updated as we have just overhauled the displays, and also the floor information is also incorrect. I am trying to rectify the information, which is why i changed it.

Can you confirm why the information i gave you does not meet the criteria of changing the Tower 42 page, as working here for 6 years, being in charge of the leases and lighting displays, i would say my changes would be valid? HannahWalt101 (talk) 11:41, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Pinging the "you" in question, @RainbowLover334148. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:49, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

If you work for Tower 42, you must declare that on your User page, and you are limited to using the Talk page of the article to propose changes to the article. See WP:PAID.David notMD (talk) 12:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I removed the floors descriptions and the list of tenants because in my opinion none of that was useful information vis-a-vis an article about the building. You and RainbowLover334148 can revert that deletion, or else take discussion of it to the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@HannahWalt101: just in explanation, being in charge of leases and lighting displays doesn't, unfortunately, make your personal knowledge appropriate for Wikipedia. Wikipedia never relies on one person's first-hand experience, instead it relies on what other reliable people have made of that first hand experience. So if a journalist interviewed you about the occupancy of Tower 42 and wrote an article about it, then the information would become trustworthy and reliable because it's been vetted by the journalist. This may seem a bit weird, but of course what most businesses write about themselves is not guaranteed to be free of bias. You can imagine that a less reputable manager might claim all sorts of high-profile tenancies that are not, in fact, true. For that reason, David notMD has done the right thing. It is very unlikely that the list of tenants is ever going to be supported by a suitable reference, and it's not sensible material to include in an encyclopaedia anyway. You've raised a valid concern that it's wrong, and it shouldn't be there, so rather than correcting it, let's just get rid of it, and cut the article down to what can be verified, and is relevant. Elemimele (talk) 12:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Note that HannahWalt101 posted some related content on their talk page on MediaWiki.org (where it's totally out of scope), which I'ved moved to Talk:Tower 42#Tower 42 page * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:16, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

distinguish between a page Yan Zheng (scientist) and a redirect to a section with Yan Zheng

I just finished a page on Yan Zheng (scientist), but I am not certain on how to handle hatnotes/redirects. Yan Zheng is a redirect to a section of a page where there is a fictional character named Yan Zheng. I see three options:

1. Change the redirect to a disambiguation page listing (i) scientist page and (ii) link to section of page with fictional character. 2. Hatnote on Yan Zheng (scientist) pointing to the section with the fictional character 3. Do nothing.

I think #2 is the best option, but I am not certain which of the many options for hatnotes is appropriate and how to implement it for a link to a *section* of a page.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks. DaffodilOcean (talk) 11:48, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I chose to do nothing. Thanks for reaching out.

Just joking! DaffodilOcean, welcome to the Teahouse. For now, I put a redirect template on the fictional list article ("Yan Zheng" redirects here). However, I do agree this topic is more important than the character and should be switched around to be Yan Zheng and Yang Zheng (character). To make these arrangements, please visit Wikipedia:Requested moves so an admin can deal with this switch. Panini!^🥪 12:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I will follow up at Wikipedia:Requested moves--DaffodilOcean (talk) 15:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Tulsa TV Template

FYI

– Added section header. GoingBatty (talk) 16:10, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I need help fixing a Tulsa TV Template. I accidentally messed up the template while adding new stations. Can you fix it? JenksMS (talk) 16:08, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@JenksMS:

Fixed Template:Tulsa TV in this edit. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Infobox building template

Hello,

I am trying to get a blue dot to appear in the Template:Infobox building map for the location in the Brush-Everard House article.
I set the map dot to "blue" and it appeared for awhile.
I tried purging the page, as well as adding a map dot label - but neither of those have worked
There is, though, a blue dot if I click on the screen to bring it to a full-page map.

Any idea what might be causing this? I think I have missed something.

(I will answer some Teahouse questions in trade.)–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:12, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: The blue dot appears for me, so perhaps the problem is local to your browser rather than a WP problem. Try refreshing as per instructions here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull, It's like magic. That did it. I'll need to write that down other times when the purge alone does not fix the issue. Thanks so much!–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Nazir Ahmed Shaik

I created a article for first time, I tried my level best to publish it. I made some changes in that for providing more information about the article.

But my article is not available in the Web browser. Kindly guide me how my article displayed when someone search. Nazir Ahmed Shaik (talk) 11:14, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nazir Ahmed Shaik: You created it in your userspace, which is intentionally NOINDEXed to prevent Google from searching it specifically because userspace tends to house a lot of drafts and other material that isn't ready for public consumption. Your userpage would not hack it as an article as it has no sources what-so-ever. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 11:36, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

So, first, wrong place. Drafts are to be created in your Sandbox (see top menu) or in draft space. See WP:YFA for how to do that. If you wish to continue, create a draft and cut what you created on your User page, then paste it into the draft. That said, Urdu Teachers Association, Telangana State, is very unlikely to quality as an article. What is essential is that published content about this teachers' association exist, to be used as references. No references = no article. Only after a draft is submitted to Articles for Creation and approved by an expert reviewer would it move toward being found by search browsers. David notMD (talk) 11:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nazir Ahmed Shaik, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that, like many beginners at Wikipedia, you have plunged straight into trying to do one of the most difficult tasks there is - creating a new article - without having spent any time learning how to do it. As Jeske says, you have created it in the wrong place, and you have created it without citing any reliable independent sources. Also, you have uploaded File:UTA TS logo.jpg, and in so doing, you have made the following legal statements:

You have said "I, Nazir Ahmed Shaik, am the legal owner of the copyright in that logo", and

"I, Nazir Ahmed Shaik, have given to everybody in the world the legal right to reuse or alter that logo for any purpose commercial or not, without asking permission, as long as they give credit to me, Nazir Ahmed Shaik, as the copyright holder".

I very much doubt that that was what you intended to do, and I suggest that you, as a matter of urgency, go to C:File:UTA TS logo.jpg, and pick "Nominate this file for deletion" from the sidebar.

I suggest that you put aside the idea of creating an article about UTA TS for several months, while you work on improving some of our six million articles and learn how Wikipedia works. In any case, before you try creating the article, I strongly advise you to study your first article. Also, if you are in some way connected with UTA TS, you should also read about conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 11:58, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I definitely agree that it's better to start out by modifying articles to begin with, but I jumped in with my first article as well. There are a couple of things that would clean the issues up in the draft pretty quickly - and help identify the right way to do it. So, I will make some updates to User:Nazir Ahmed Shaik. It would also be good to move it to a Wikipedia:Draft page. And, there is also a correct way to upload a logo file. I'll see if I can help there, too.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

The article is now at Draft:Urdu Teachers Association. It still needs references - preferably secondary sources. It is best not to put external links, like to facebook in the body of the article, see WP:ELNO. And, bold should just be for the title of the article in the first paragraph. I hope this helps as a starter. Please also see Help:Your first article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I added some comments at User talk:Nazir Ahmed Shaik#Draft:Urdu Teachers Association, since I have volunteered on my own to help out with the article - and it's best to have comments there or at the Draft talk page.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Archive broken

Hello! So while trying to find a template a used on a discussion that is now archived at Talk:Roblox/Archive 1 I discovered that a bunch of the text is white. It appears to be from a user's custom signature that is missing a closing tag however I can't seem to find where the tag is missing. I attempted to fix it however I don't think I did it right. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:24, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I think I identified the signature that's causing the issue. Monkeyfox's signature is missing a </font> tag somewhere after the white font, causing all text after it to be white. I don't know how many times they've signed with this broken signature but I do think this should be fixed everywhere their broken signature appears. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Good catch - I fixed it in this edit.

@Monkeyfox: Could you please review your posts and see if any other fixes are needed? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I also posted a request at Wikipedia_talk:Linter#Unclosed font tags in signature. GoingBatty (talk) 17:02, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Monkeyfox is retired and has not edited since 2011. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I actually looked at the user's contributions before posting this, but thought the "2011" was "2021". I've fixed all 37 of the similar signatures. GoingBatty (talk) 18:46, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for fixing them! I let the user know about that on their talk page in case they don't edit Wikipedia anymore but still view it logged in. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

still trying to transclude a template

Under my User page I created a subpage ICTMontreal/Draft Bouchard Creek and later User:ICTMontreal/sandbox/Draft Bouchard Creek. I wanted to import the Template:Infobox river then modify it in my subpage by populating each field manually with the data for Bouchard Creek. I assumed I should simply transclude by typing {{Infobox river}} at the top of that subpage while in its Edit Source mode. I did that and published then went back to Edit Source to see the imported fields for me to populate. I just see {{Infobox river}} . I tried many variations such as {{Template:Infobox river}} {{subst:Infobox river}} etc etc. Nothing worked. So I suspect I really am missing something obvious and basic about transclusion. What am I missing? Thanks! ICTMontreal (talk) 11:37, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm bad at reading and following instructions, so if I were in your position, I'd look at some existing river article such as Thames, and see how it's done there. Maproom (talk) 11:51, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick repIy. I already tried that for the Amazon river. But I went to Thames just now and I see what I saw at Amazon. When I go to Edit Source I find the template for Infobox river with all the fields and corresponding data. What I do not see is how the Template: Infobox river got into the code for Thames so it could be edited with the data for each field of that Infobox. ICTMontreal (talk) 11:59, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

To be more precise: my goal is not to modify the Template: Infobox river. Rather to import the template's contents into my subpage and edit my local copy by entering the data for Bouchard Creek corresponding to each field in that template. Once that is completed I would use either create a stub article named Bouchard Creek into which I would transclude from my subpage the infobox data or I would look to insert that infobox somewhere appropriate in articles under Wikiproject Montreal. ICTMontreal (talk) 11:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

You transclude it just as was done in Thames, by using {{infobox river}} and then including whichever parameters you wish to use. You might find it easier to copy the blank from the "Usage" section from Template:Infobox river/doc and then fill in the values for each parameter you wish to use (and you might want to tidy up by deleting the parameters which you aren't using). - David Biddulph (talk) 12:13, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again for the quick reply. Bear with me as I spell out exactly how I try to do what you are suggesting. I do want to transclude as was done in Thames but I do not see anywhere exactly how Thames executed that specific transclusion. I assume Thames in Edit Source typed <nowiki> {{Infobox river}} </nowiki> to import the detailed list of fields provided on the page Template:Infobox river then I assume the editor of Thames entered data in that local copy of each field to describe the Thames river. The editor then published the infobox which we now see at the Thames article. I want to do exactly the same thing. But when I type <nowiki> {{Infobox river}} on my subpage then publish it and then go to Edit Source of that subpage I do not find the long list of fields from that template. I simply see my code: <nowiki> {{Infobox river}} </nowiki> ICTMontreal (talk) 12:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry: when I type on my subpage I do not include <nowiki> code. You see it here because I thought I had to mention <nowiki> for you to see exactly what I type on my subpage in my Reply. ICTMontreal (talk) 12:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

As I said earlier, if you want the list of fields, you can copy the blank from the "Usage" section in Template:Infobox river/doc. Otherwise you can just type in the ones which you need. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

My earlier Reply to your answer is edited as follows:

Thanks again for the quick reply. Bear with me as I spell out exactly how I try to do what you are suggesting. I do want to transclude as was done in Thames but I do not see anywhere exactly how Thames executed that specific transclusion. I assume the editor of Thames in Edit Source typed {{Infobox river}} to import the detailed list of fields provided on the page Template:Infobox river then I assume the editor of Thames entered data in that local copy of each field to describe the Thames river. The editor then published the infobox which we now see at the Thames article. I want to do exactly the same thing. But when I type {{Infobox river}} on my subpage then publish it and then go to Edit Source of that subpage I do not find the long list of fields from that template. I simply see my code: {{Infobox river}} with no transclusion executed at all.

When you suggest: You might find it easier to copy the blank from the "Usage" section from Template:Infobox river/doc and then fill in the values for each parameter you wish to use (and you might want to tidy up by deleting the parameters which you aren't using) I understand this to get what I want for Bouchard Creek without using transclusion of the Infobox river template at all. Is that correct? ICTMontreal (talk) 13:38, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

If the author of Thames merely typed in {{Infobox river}} it would not include any of the parameters or values; it does not include the detailed list of fields. Transclusion of the template includes the template source code which you can see under the "View source" tab on the template page and which enables the various parameters to be processed if they are specified, but it is up to the user to specify the parameters which they wish to use. The way of getting the "local copy of each field" as you describe it is either to type it in or to copy it from elsewhere. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Here is the template, copied from Template:Infobox river, with just the "name" field supplied. Copy it from here into your draft, and fill in the values of as many more of the fields as you like. Maproom (talk) 13:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

@ICTMontreal: I think most source editors either copy parameters from the template documentation like Template:Infobox river#Usage, or copy a template call from the source of another page like River Thames and change the values. But there is a method to "import" parameters: A puzzle piece icon

on the default toolbar above the edit area. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Wow! Those really helped. In summary: that puzzle piece icon allows me to search for the specific template I want to import, select all or some parameters and insert those into my own edit area. I did not understand that functionality till just now. But I do think I will rather copy and paste from the template documentation like Template:Infobox river#Usage, or copy a template call from the source of another page like River Thames and change the values. This appears to be a common practice based on your guidance. This confirms what I was starting to suspect: I was overthinking what transclusion really meant. I got off track when I was thinking there was a significant benefit to transclude rather than to substitute. If you can, please guide me on any differences among transcluding a template, substituting a template and cutting and pasting from another article's template call. If it is not important at this stage of my learning curve, we can just drop it. Either way: A big thank you! ICTMontreal (talk) 19:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft article

sent a draft article in early August. updated it September 5. How long does it take or what steps to make it permanent? 2600:6C40:6400:649C:4DC4:128E:BFB0:88FD (talk) 17:33, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You'll have to tell us the draft involved. 331dot (talk) 17:36, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

My guess is that this is about Draft:Charles Williams based on edits by close IPs and matching dates in the edit history. Vexations (talk) 17:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Draft:Charles Williams has not yet been submitted for review - you can add {{subst:AfC draft}} to the draft when you're ready to submit it. However, if you were to submit it today it would surely be declined for lack of footnotes. I suggest you review Help:Referencing for beginners and change that collection of bare URLs to footnotes. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

There is already an article Charles Williams, which is a disambiguation page for all the many CW's that Wikipedia already has articles about. You musr change the name to include some identifying aspect, eg 'Charles Williams (US naval officer)'. Currently, the article reads like a bad CV - did this guy actually do anything, or just hold posts? Tell his story; make him interesting.--Verbarson (talk) 21:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Actually, there's no need to change the name of the draft. When a reviewer accepts the draft, they will move it to an appropriate name. --ColinFine (talk) 22:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Allow me to do some source assessment. @Flagship1: and any other interested party, please refer to the top table at User:Jéské Couriano/Decode. I will be going down the (poorly-formatted) list at the draft.

We do not cite Wikipedia (circular reference). We don't cite wikis full stop as a matter of fact (no editorial oversight).
https://www.congress.gov/nomination/116th-congress/1310 is useless for notability (gov't document).
www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room " " " " (" ").
https://www.executivegov.com/2019/12/retired-rear-adm-charles-williams-nominated-navy-asst-secretary-for-installations-energy-environment-2/ is borderline - the article's fairly short.
I cannot assess https://login.politicopro.com/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fsubscriber.politicopro.com%2Farticle%2Feenews%2F1061653601&s=eenews (walled).
I cannot assess https://insidedefense.com/document/mcpherson-williams-confirmation-hearing (walled), but if it is just hosting a copy of the document without any analysis of it then it's useless for notability (gov't document).
I cannot assess the Navy.mil source (Technical barrier). The source's link is broken due to you doctoring it. Do not omit pertinent parts of links; that makes it difficult at best for people to actually read the source.
stlouis.cbslocal.com/tag/rear-admiral-charles-a-williams is 404-compliant (it redirects to CBS News' website).
I refuse to assess the PDF. I am not going to download a PDF from an unknown and untrusted source just to assess it; that is a security risk for my computer.
We can't use https://www.coursehero.com/file/75130637/Generations-Assesment-3docx/ (Connexion to subject, no editorial oversight). This appears to be a course paper written by the subject's (presumably, and apologies if I am wrong) nephew.
"the common defense newsletter volume 1, issue 4" is not enough bibliographical information to identify and reference the source from an archive or library that may have a copy of the issue. (We are missing issue date, article name, article byline, and page(s) the article is on).
I cannot assess castbox.fm/episode/admiral-chuck-williams [sic] (Technical barrier). I suspect this link was doctored in the same manner as the Navy one.
" " " omny.fm/.../the-tim-jones-show-on-demand-admiral-chuck-5-27-18 (" "). " " " " ' " " " " " " " " ". This is why you do not edit or expurgate links to the online resources you are citing.
""global threat and navy relevance" speech by charles ..." [sic] is not enough bibliographical information to reference the source from an archive or library, and even if it were this would be useless for notability assuming the "Charles" mentioned is the subject (connexion to subject).
news.semo.edu/a-veterans-tribute-southeast is 404-compliant (the link redirects to the website homepage).
We can't use https://capitalinnovators.com/charles-williams (no editorial oversight). The website's staff listing shows a lot of marketeers, but nobody who could feasibly function as an editor in chief.
www.ritenour.k12.mo.us/page/452 is useless for notability (too sparse). Listing in an elementary school's hall of fame.
https://news.usni.org/2020/08/11/video-littoral-combat-ship-uss-st-louis-comissioning-ceremony is useless for this subject (too sparse). Name-drop and sound bite, no real discussion of him.
"omanobserver.com 12/3/2020" is not enough bibliographical information to identify and link to the reference. Please include a functional URL to the article you're citing.
www.secnav.navy.mil/eie/layouts is 404-compliant (the link redirects to the Secretary of the Navy's homepage).
https://insidedefense.com/insider/trump-nominates is a non-sequitur.

Considering that a substantial amount of the sources provided are broken due to careless editing/redaction, most likely from the author in an effort to shorten them, I am uncomfortable saying whether or not this subject is notable, but the sources I can assess aren't any good. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Followup, @Flagship1: has added more sources. I will assess these, but I will note that just adding bare, disabled URLs to the bottom of the article is not acceptable in this instance and that they would need converted into actual citations if this draft is to have any hope of being accepted.

www.congress/committee-schedule/weekly/2020/01/13 is useless for notability (gov't document). Let me make this clear so that you don't waste more time citing these sources: We consider all government-originated documents, websites, etc. to be primary sources and thus useless to cite.
www.armed-services.senate.gov/press " " " " (" "). " " " " " " " " " " " " " " ": " " " "-" ", ", " " " " " " " " " " ".
www.c-span.org/video/?468044-1/armed-services is 404-compliant. There is no lightbulb on the page to click, so the directions provided are impossible as writ.
www.armed-services.senate.gov/hearings/20 is useless for notability (gov't document).
13newsnow.com/mobile/article/news/national/livid is 404-compliant.
www.defensenews.com/congress/2020/03/06as... [sic] is nonfunctional due to the URL having been chopped. Stop this amateurish shortening of URLs, it only makes it impossible to access what you're attempting to cite.
https://www.independentsentinel.com/88-former-military-leaders-including-generals-admirals-endorse-donald-trump/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop and a listing. No actual discussion of Williams.
https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-benefits/2020/01/ has been discussed and dismissed (it appears to be the exact same website as defensenews above, even with this full URL).
We can't use bwcentral.org (No editorial oversight). "We have undertaken no independent investigation to verify the accuracy of the information reported by these media sources" is explicitly noted in their content disclaimer on their about us page.
"www.defensecommunities.org12/2/19" [sic] is not enough information to be able to find the article you're attempting to cite.
www.secnav.navy.mil/eie/documents is useless for notability (gov't document, too sparse). The link points to a literal pdf index and in and of itself can't be used to cite anything, and even if an individual PDF were used it's still a government document and thus unusable on that basis alone.

Despite what was said in my analysis above, you continue to cite government documents and butcher URLs to the point of unusability. I understand you may not be computer-savvy, but I suggest you start listening to what you are being told here - we're only trying to help you. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 19:39, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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