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NPR Newsletter No.17

Hello Matthew hk,

News
Discussions of interest
  • Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
  • {{db-blankdraft}} was merged into G13 (Discussion)
  • A discussion recently closed with no consensus on whether to create a subject-specific notability guideline for theatrical plays.
  • There is an ongoing discussion on a proposal to create subject-specific notability guidelines for chemicals and organism taxa.
Reminders
  • NPR is not a binary keep / delete process. In many cases a redirect may be appropriate. The deletion policy and its associated guideline clearly emphasise that not all unsuitable articles must be deleted. Redirects are not contentious. See a classic example of the templates to use. More templates are listed at the R template index. Reviewers who are not aware, do please take this into consideration before PROD, CSD, and especially AfD because not even all admins are aware of such policies, and many NAC do not have a full knowledge of them.
NPP Tools Report
  • Superlinks – allows you to check an article's history, logs, talk page, NPP flowchart (on unpatrolled pages) and more without navigating away from the article itself.
  • copyvio-check – automatically checks the copyvio percentage of new pages in the background and displays this info with a link to the report in the 'info' panel of the Page curation toolbar.
  • The NPP flowchart now has clickable hyperlinks.

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Your alt accounts have been renamed

Just a message that I have renamed your two alt accounts. You may need to contact an admin to have the AWB users list updated so you can continue using the tool on the Matthew hk running AWB account. -★- PlyrStar93 →Message me. ← 02:32, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Matthew hk (talk) 02:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

updates

See also: user talk:Alessio Pasquinelli

dear, now I've und, thanks, I'll pay more attention to no sign minor edits and add ever sources, right!--Dr.Alessio Pasquinelli 19:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Mad with power/wanton destruction

Why make a bot to delete comments on a talk page? It claimed my edit was a test edit, which it wasn't... Is there any potential benefit to stopping relevant yet informal discussion on a talk page..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snitch ninja (talk • contribs) 07:37, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So, this is a constructive edit/comment?! Special:Diff/889084581. Matthew hk on public computer (talk) 11:36, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The ANI discussion

Hi Matthew hk. I hope you don't mind, but I took the closing statement you added here to the ANI discussion about "admin abuse" and replaced it with a statement that I felt was a bit more gentle. The user who started the ANI obviously had disheartened feelings from an old AFD discussion that left him/her feeling discouraged and feeling pushed and shut down, and enough to impact his/her thoughts about Wikipedia and participating as a member of the community to this day. Closing an ANI discussion like this and with a comment stating that the user was "ranting for the afd result from year 2011" obviously isn't going to be helpful to them nor positively encourage them to move on from those thoughts and feelings. In fact, I would say that it could potentially leave the user feeling the exact same way again... which is not something we'd want to do - especially if they're new and expressing their feelings in good faith.

I'm just leaving you a message to let you know what I did, so that we don't inadvertently leave the user feeling bitten again, and to simply remind you to keep that thought in mind when you make comments and statements. You're seen as a very experienced editor to new users ("wow, those user rights, and 188,000 edits?!!"), and new users and other editors look up to you much more than you think. ;-) If you have questions, concerns, etc - please don't hesitate to let me know (just ping me in your response if you reply here) and I'll be happy to discuss it with you and answer any questions. Thanks for listening to my message. :-) Until next time... ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 04:12, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The thread starter seem more hostile and not WP:AGF at first on saying "Admin Abuse". Before he was received User talk:Vintagedirtbiker#Finney Ross on 2008, there is a link from a few threads regarding the same issue for example User talk:Vintagedirtbiker#Speedy deletion of Finney ross: "Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable". Since there is visual editor now in 2019, there is totally no problem on not knowing wikitext. But there would be an issue on not reading and clicking hyperlink to read. Yeah it may be a bit rude on the nac, but i don't think it is a real AGF issue. Matthew hk (talk) 04:22, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Matthew,

I will try my best to understand how to use the "DIFF". As explained previously, I suffer from Aphasia which makes comprehension very difficult. It will take me some time to go though all the screen shots to get the names of the Admins from 2008 and then to try and use the "Diff" as instructed. It will be a long process for me. I do appreciate your patience. Best, Todd DavisVintagedirtbiker (talk) 05:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing need to show diff (Special:Diff/2000: (Special:Diff/ plus version number), using 2000 as example, or posting link (the url from clicking 'prev") from page history is fine. e.g. [1] ) for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finney Ross. as there is not "admin abuse" there. If you need to review the deletion, go to WP:Deletion Review (by showing a strong reason) Also, even year 2018 is not a recent event, not " This page is for discussion of urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems. " as written in WP:ANI.
Please, nothing really very rude in User talk:Vintagedirtbiker#Finney Ross after User talk:Vintagedirtbiker#Speedy deletion of Finney ross and User talk:Vintagedirtbiker#Speedy deletion of FINNEY ROSS are about the same thing. Lastly, now wikipedia had Wikipedia:VisualEditor. You can use that tool just like Microsoft Word or Wordpad to write an article. But please read the guideline and policy of wikipedia first. Read before complaining without ground. Matthew hk (talk) 05:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

S.S.C. Bari

Hi. Could you take the necessary actions to get the categories for S.S.C. Bari in place with its new name. I moved Category:S.S.C. Bari players from its old name F.C. Bari 1908, but the content must be transferred, as well as its other categories. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 15:03, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Timrollpickering: Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 01:15, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Post it in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy, stating C2D as well as new common name and official name. (And hope they won't argue it is common name or not, yeah i known A.S. Bari was the common name in the past). Matthew hk on public computer (talk) 06:56, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NPR Newsletter No.18

Hello Matthew hk,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

  • Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
  • Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.
Reliable Sources for NPP

Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.

Backlog drive coming soon

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News
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hi, where can I suggest changes to the company article? thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by OleksandraKhrystenko (talk • contribs) 2019-05-17T15:02:51 (UTC)

Kylian Mbappé

Hi,

In your revert summary you wrote: "Please don't put non-summary content in lede. While the most valuable by one institute , seem WP:UNDUE"

My response is written below:

1. "Please don't put non-summary content in lede."
 

Not sure what you mean by this. Can you elaborate? Most top players' wiki pages have similar accomplishments/rankings mentioned in their leads. Mine was just 1 relatively short sentence. Can't get more summarized than that.

2. "While the most valuable by one institute , seem WP:UNDUE"
 

How does it "seem" that? Can you please be specific? CIES is an independent and well-respected organization, not to mention, the authoritative reference on transfer values and other football matters.
That's why they are mandated and endorsed by FIFA, UEFA, FIBA, IOC, City Football Group etc (you can find additional details on that and their ranking procedures on their website).
Anyway, how does them being a singular organization make them partisan or unneutral? Please explain. That's like saying FIFA world rankings are not legit because FIFA is just one organization.
By the way, FIFA itself has partnered with CIES, like it did with Ballon d'Or etc.
If CIES wasn't legit, do you think all the major publications like Forbes, Goal, ESPN would publish their studies and findings, for example: here, here and here?
Please give a clear explanation on what you mean by your statement. Thanks.

--Retrofan781 (talk) 12:44, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AC Lumezzane/Lumezzane Vgz

Hi, as stated by Lumezzane Vgz's board, the new club didn't just "rename to homage to the original", but it also got for free the old company's assets and received the approval of Lumezzane's municipality, which was charged to find a new property after the resignation of chairman Renzo Cavagna. IMHO that's enough to consider Lumezzane Vgz as the direct heir of AC Lumezzane. --Vale93b (talk) 18:57, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Vale93b: If the news report said so, then it may be good to merge the articles for the new club and the old club to under one WP:article title: the name of the new club. But it should be also mentioned above content of acquiring the assets as well as keeping the original youth team, etc. Also may be good to dig out brief info for V.G.Z.. Matthew hk (talk) 03:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]


A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
This is for your valuable efforts for countering Vandalism and protecting Wikipedia from it's threats. I appreciate your effort. You are a defender of Wikipedia. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 16:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station#Requested move 15 June 2019

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station#Requested move 15 June 2019. Sam Sailor 17:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Solved. See may reply there Special:Diff/902041966. Matthew hk (talk) 14:22, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RM/TR

Hi! Thanks for giving me knowledge about Google trends and Google Ngram. I searched for the popularity of Chennai Central railway station with the present official name in trends and this is what I found. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Chennai%20Central%20railway%20station,%2Fm%2F076564,MGR%20Chennai%20Central This also proves that with time the official name gains popularity.Sai199610 (talk) 05:20, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We usually use Ngram (that linked to publication), but it had a huge timelag , while google trend had bias due to wikipedia echo and linkage to search term. Matthew hk (talk) 11:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also, you forger to add "", which they probably not searching the railway station but something else. [2] After modification, it have different conclusion, which seem "Chennai Central station" is the most used search term instead. Matthew hk (talk) 11:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar!

The Bombay Baroda and Central India Railway Barnstar
For your work on Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, I award you this barnstar. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:22, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

Hello Matthew hk,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important.

QUALITY of REVIEWING

Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR.

Backlog

The backlog is still far too high at between 7,000 and 8,000. Of around 700 user rights holders, 80% of the reviewing is being done by just TWO users. In the light of more and more subtle advertising and undeclared paid editing, New Page Reviewing is becoming more critical than ever.

Move to draft

NPR is triage, it is not a clean up clinic. This move feature is not limited to bios so you may have to slightly re-edit the text in the template before you save the move. Anything that is not fit for mainspace but which might have some promise can be draftified - particularly very poor English and machine and other low quality translations.

Notifying users

Remember to use the message feature if you are just tagging an article for maintenance rather than deletion. Otherwise articles are likely to remain perma-tagged. Many creators are SPA and have no intention of returning to Wikipedia. Use the feature too for leaving a friendly note note for the author of a first article you found well made or interesting. Many have told us they find such comments particularly welcoming and encouraging.

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Protection of the Varieties of Chinese

Hello! I have made some new edits to the Protection of the Varieties of Chinese page which you tagged with the original research tag. I am not 100% sure I have dealt with the issues you raised, so per rule 1 in WP:WTRMT (You do not understand the issues raised by the template;) I want to make sure that the page I have made is on a stable foundation before removing the tag and proceeding. I want to make this page a valuable resource for Wikipedia readers, so please don't hold back your criticisms. Only through a clear understanding and addressing of the problems you see can we make this page a valuable part of Wikipedia rather than another junky-type page. Thanks for your time. Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I made more edits today- take a look if you are interested and let me know if I can remove the 'original research' tag. Geographyinitiative (talk) 23:36, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am starting a discussion on the talk page for the removal of the template and I invite your participation. Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:04, 23 July 2019 (UTC) (modified)[reply]

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Pascotam

You might be right to accuse Hongkongright of sockpuppetry, but it seems just a little BITEy to accuse them right out of the gate. That's even disregarding the fact (1) you didn't need to inform them of your concerns (which might scare them if they're innocent), and (2) a CU on Patma20 would also reveal any other accounts and potential sleepers (depending if a proxy was used not). Idk, but you've been at this longer than me so.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Not watching talk page, so ping if you respond please –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 06:13, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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