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Draft versus Submitted content

I have been trying to build an article, but recognised that it is not at all ready for review -- especially as this is my first time contributing. I did not realise that draft pages would be edited by others and had been using it as a work space, only to find that it has been edited. Is there a way to build a draft page before it is open to others to edit? Thank you Pheasant fred (talk) 19:16, 16 December 2020 (UTC) Pheasant fred (talk) 19:16, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Pheasant fred. There is no way to guarantee that nobody else will edit any page, but if you develop a potential article in your sandbox space, it is highly unlikely that anyone else will edit it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:29, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pheasant fred and welcome to the Teahouse. You may not put copyrighted material anywhere on Wikipedia. If you want to work from copies of sources you must do that on your own computer. Everything in the final article must be in your own words or be explicitly quoted. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Pheasant fred, I visited your user page where I learned that you are a paid editor. You should expect a lot of scrutiny of all your edits and you should be careful to comply with all applicable policies and guidelines. StarryGrandma is correct. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:40, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi and thanks everyone. We are are registered charity and want to represent our work well. I will review the guidelines carefully. I just did not realise that a draft artilce gets reviewed before submission. thanks! Pheasant fred (talk) 20:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

The blue rectangle at bottom has "Publish changes" rather than "Save changes" because everything - Drafts, Sandboxes, User pages - are considered public spaces. A key difference from articles in main space is that only the latter will be found by searches within Wikipedia or by search engines outside. HOWEVER, if editors sees something that another editor erred in doing, those editors can look at every contribution made by the erring editor. Also, avoid "We." Every account must be an individual. David notMD (talk) 21:54, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Pheasant fred, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry but "to represent our work well" is not part of the purpose of Wikipedia, and may sometimes be counter to it. What a Wikipedia article should do is represent the subject accurately according to the independent reliable sources. If part of your work is discussed by sources completely independent of you, then it may be mentioned in the article; if not, it should not be. And the coverage should be according to what the sources say - favourable and unfavourable - not what you would want it to say. --ColinFine (talk) 22:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

The University partners list contributes nothing of value, and should be deleted (also for not being referenced). David notMD (talk) 00:42, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

First article

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I have created my first article (a biography piece about a past president of a University in the U.S.) and have cited my sources. Now I want to add an inbox to insert his photo and list his biographical data. How do I do that? Cholmes58 (talk) 22:56, 16 December 2020 (UTC) Cholmes58 (talk) 22:56, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Cholmes58: Welcome to Wikipedia. See the answer to the help request on your talk page: User_talk:Cholmes58. You need to pick the appropriate info box and then fill in the details. RudolfRed (talk) 23:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

User:Cholmes58/sandbox is at present an unsubmitted draft. As your first attempt at an article, you should submit it to Articles for Creation for review. David notMD (talk) 00:59, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Cholmes58:, you can't generally publish article that haven't been review as a draft as it may not meet the notability guidelines. Draft reviewer/s can help you with infoboxes and other things that they think is necessary, besides reviewing your article and making sure it meets the Wikipedia notability guidelines. Keep in mind, new article can be a stub, but stub article cannot be an article that doesn't meet the notability guidelines.

Follow-up to How to deal with evident errors in sources

I asked this question before and will re-ask, simplifying and removing the particular situation. My question was how to deal with an article that has obviously wrong information though that information has a valid source. The answer,

"The best way is to see if there exist other sources that contain the accurate information, and removing the inaccurate source for one of those."

does not really work.

The article says Subject studied in college under Professor X. One apparently reliable source says that. But other sources, and Professor X's Wikipedia page, show that Professor X was 12 years younger than Subject, was 17 years old when Subject started college, and only became a professor 8 years after Subject graduated from that college. (these numbers may be a little off.)

The answer would have me look for a source saying did NOT study in college under Professor X (which I won't find because there are an infinite list of people under whom Subject did not study while in college, and no point to list them), and to put into the Wikipedia page that Subject did not study in college under Professor X (which shouldn't happen because that is an obvious and uninteresting fact).

What I ended up doing was delete the incorrect assertion from the Wiki page and put on the Talk page an explanation of why I deleted an assertion in the article even though it was footnoted and supported by a source - because the source is obviously wrong.

Does that make sense, or is there a better approach? Thanks. Sullidav (talk) 19:33, 13 December 2020 (UTC) Sullidav (talk) 19:33, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: this is about Alma Thomas. Maproom (talk) 22:58, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

It absolutely is, thanks Maproom, and sorry not to say that.

& Professor X is Lois Mailou Jones. The Wiki page had described Jones as Thomas's professor at Howard (among other apparently incorrect statements), citing old and new versions of a National Museum of Women in the Arts page saying that. But Thomas was 14 years older than Jones, Thomas attended Howard 1921-1924, Jones was a Howard professor 1930-1977. I deleted the obviously incorrect statement from the Wikipedia page & explained in Talk. Sullidav (talk) 00:24, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Should I take the lack of response here as concurrence with how I handled? Thanks. Sullidav (talk) 02:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Looks like you did the right thing, Sullidav. WP:IAR is a policy that says you can trust your guts if the rules seem to direct you to do something that hurts the encyclopedia, which covers you in this case. With respect to what sourcing is needed, we have in the policy WP:V#Exceptional claims require exceptional sources: "Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources". An apparently impossible claim is certainly an exceptional claim, so you can discount it if you can find only one source justifying it. As you have done, it's usually good to check afterwards, though, since paradox is a thing. — Charles Stewart (talk) 11:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sullidav: You did fine. Wikipedia has no obligation to repeat everything claimed by sources. When we just omit mentioning a sourced claim, WP:IAR does not have to be invoked. I have mailed the Web address at https://nmwa.org/contact/ about the apparent error in https://nmwa.org/art/artists/alma-woodsey-thomas/. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Just a little bonus point here. While we don't allow original research, routine calculations (WP:CALC) are allowed. The basis for this I suppose, is that calculation is inherently verifiable. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 14:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC).

Thanks, Charles Stewart, PrimeHunter, and Rich, for supporting my deletion, giving different reasons, and emailing the Museum about their apparent error, which I was planning to do. Sullidav (talk) 17:16, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sullidav: I got a reply. The museum has already changed it to say "her Howard professor James V. Herring and peer Loïs Mailou Jones". The mail reply said she learned from Jones as a peer after Jones arrived to Washington, D.C. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, PrimeHunter. Good. And that's consistent with what the Wiki page said about Jones, after my edits. Sullidav (talk) 01:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Article Declination

FYI

– Heading added by Maresa63 (talk) 13:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC).

I spent the whole night researching, linking, referencing and contacting the subject of the article. After all the effort I put into place, my article got declined.It's terribly frustrating to see my effort go in vain in a flash. They asked about reference, now I have added more references from news and websites. Is there any chance of it being accepted this time around? JanglaKing (talk) 13:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

JanglaKing, there certainly is. I'm not sure what draft you are referring to, but adding extra (reliable) citations/references will vastly increase the chances of your article being accepted. Giraffer ^munch 13:56, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Adil Farooq Raja. Status: Declined twice, edited to add references, submitted again. Reviewer's opinion is that it fails Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Notability guide for people in military. David notMD (talk) 14:29, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Question: The image of Raja in uniform is described by the draft-creating author as own work, taken 16 December 2020. Can JanglaKing confirm having personally taken the photo, but perhaps at a different date? Or is this a copyright issue? David notMD (talk) 14:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

JanglaKing, note: "contacting the subject of the article" counts as original research, which is prohibited. Gerald WL 14:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@JanglaKing: Linkedin isn't a reliable resource, and you also provided bare urls for references, which are prone to link rot. --🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 (always @Ping: me when replying) 15:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JanglaKing. There are only two reasons I can think of why it might be relevant to contact the subject when working on a Wikipedia article: one is to ask if they can suggest some independent published sources about them; the other is to ask whether they have a photograph of themselves that the copyright owner would be willing to license freely. Essentially no information from the subject (including information published in interviews) belongs in the article unless it has also appeared in a source wholly independent of them. There are no relevant permissions that they can give or withhold, and their preferences as to what does or doesn't appear in the article have very little weight. --ColinFine (talk) 15:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine You're right, I didn't ask anything apart from these you have mentioned.

Status update: Declined three times and then Rejected as no potential for achieving notability. David notMD (talk) 08:28, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Question by Elizabethlmiller

Estimated Review Time and Notification About how long does it take to have proposed revisions to an entry reviewed? How will I know whether the reviewer needs more information? How will I know whether the proposed revisions are approved or denied? Thank you. Elizabethlmiller (talk) 13:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Elizabethlmiller, Usually, it varies. If you post the request on the talk page (like you did), anyone watching the page might get to your request soon. If nobody is active there, however, other people will come in and review it in due time. There are currently over 100 BLP requests waiting, so it might take a while. Le Panini ^[🥪] 14:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

New section name

I'm going to be adding a new section to a famous film and TV museum, regarding it's film and TV appearances, (just a couple of mainstream documentaries focusing on the museum itself for now, rather than brief appearances in productions about someone or something else), and in future it's involvement with the making of at least 3 mainstream TV shows that I know of.

My question is, what should I name the section?

In popular culture?

Film and television productions?

Or something else? Danstarr69 (talk) 11:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Film and television appearances sounds like the clearest choice to me.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:26, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Hello! I was wondering what to do if I saw people having a too heated conversation in the talk section of an article. Thanks! .‿. TheJinxedJackRabbit (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@TheJinxedJackRabbit: Would you be able to provide a link to the talk page? A 'heated discussion' is a very broad term to use. Pahunkat (talk) 16:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Pahunkat It's just hypothetical. I was thinking two people would be attacking each other, calling names, etc.

You may to wish to read the guidelines on no personal attacks and assuming good faith. I'll assume that this is a content dispute that has gone into a scenario where both the guidelines I mentioned are staring to be ignored, you probably should be asking the editors - politely - to take a deep breath before resuming their conversation and remind them to comment on the content of the article rather than on contributors. In some cases you may want to guide the editors to the dispute resolution noticeboard or open a request for comment from uninvolved editors. Pahunkat (talk) 16:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay! Thank you so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJinxedJackRabbit (talk • contribs) 16:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Page Title and Headings

Courtesy link: Draft:Point La Vista

Hello Teahouse, I am having trouble understanding what it wrong with the Headings. I have the first heading as Page Title, Second Heading as Heading, four Sub-Headings 1 under that, and then two Headings. Nothing is bolded. I also don't know why the Page Title is showing up in the Contents section when other pages Page Titles do not appear there. my page Draft:PointLaVista

I appreciate any help you can provide. thx! PointLaVista (talk) 16:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@PointLaVista: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's more information at MOS:HEADINGS, but there are two things:

Section headings start at the second level (e.g., == Example ==), not at the first (e.g., = Example =). There's no need to create another page title in the body of the article.
Section headings don't get formatted; there are currently <big> tags around all of them that should not be there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 17:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@PointLaVista: I have cleaned up the draft quite a bit. changes. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Licensing

Hello! I did not put correctly licensing tags, got deletion template, then fixed licensing things, removed deletion template, but still shows the same that something is with licensing and bots message that my image will be deleted. Do I need to add something that I fixed the issue? When these messages will be removed? Here is the messages and my image: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:T%C4%ABkla_strukt%C5%ABra_100VG-AnyLAN.png Theviktorijam (talk) 15:33, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Theviktorijam: welcome to Wikipedia, and to the Teahouse. The messages you received were not at Wikipedia, but at Wikimedia Commons. The projects are related, but not the same, and although some people are active in both projects, it is more likely that you'll get help if you ask at Commons. I think the Help Desk at Commons is the best place: you'll find it here. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons may only be used for uploading images that have been released to the WP:Public domain. In this case, based on the link provided as a 'source' for the image, it looks like you have extracted the image from a commercially published book[1]. The book is still available for sale from the publisher and there is no indication that the publisher or the authors have released any of the relevant copyrights into public domain. Your image is correctly tagged for speedy deletion at Commons and I expect it will be deleted soon there. You can't use this kind of an image in a Wikipedia article. If you can't find an actual free public domain image, you could try drawing a relevant figure/diagram yourself and uploading it to Commons under "own work". Nsk92 (talk) 15:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Just to clarify in case others read this Section. Wikimedia Commons hosts not only public domain images but those that are released under creative commons licenses, usually CC BY SA 4.0 (or lower number for earlier versions). Usually, people uploading their own work are invited to release it under that license: they don't have to put it into the public domain. In practice, the difference means that someone using the file elsewhere has to indicate its source and give the same license (that's the "SA" part). Note that many academic papers get published under a CC BY NC SA license, which is NOT acceptable for Commons because of the "NC" = non-commercial part. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Also a recommendation: I recommed to use the upload wizard for uploading. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Question by Abbyfleming1983

please can someone help me understand how I can speed up the approval of my article please? It was reviewed twice relatively quickly and given it was my 1st attempt I had substantial changes which I’ve now made but for over 1.5 months no ones looked at it. What can I do to speed up the review of ultra endurance athlete Scott Jenkins? Abbyfleming1983 (talk) 17:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Abbyfleming1983: You just need to be patient. Reviews are all done by volunteers in no particular order. Lots of other editors are waiting for reviews, too. Per the note on your draft, "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,455 pending submissions waiting for review. " While you are waiting for review, you may continue to make edits to improve your draft. RudolfRed (talk) 17:28, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Abbyfleming1983, when a reviewer looks at your draft, their main concern will be whether the sources cited establish that the subject is notable. When they check the first two sources and find that they aren't independent, they may not relish the prospect of checking the next 20, and decide instead to find a better use for their time by moving on to some other submission. (This isn't the consequence of any policy; but reviewers are human.) So, if you feel that speed is needed, my advice would be: make it easier for reviewers to find the references that help to establish notability by removing most of the others. Maproom (talk) 09:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@maproom so remove the linked in reference? Are any others a concern as they are independent press coverage? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbyfleming1983 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Abbyfleming1983 I'm wondering if you have a particular need for a speedy review? 331dot (talk) 18:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Abby, are you the Abby Fleming mentioned in news articles as Scott Jenkins' girlfriend? If so, you need to declare your conflict of interest per instructions at WP:COI. —valereee (talk) 18:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Cesar Marolla Biography draft

Can you please review the aforementioned draft? I stripped down the highlights events to make it objective. link below.

Thank you wiki community!

Dan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cesar_Marolla#Music_career Dan.ferratti (talk) 17:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dan.ferratti: The article is better now that it has been condensed, but the biggest problem is that few of the sources seem to be about him. You need to show that he has been written about enough in independent third party sources to pass Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. See WP:GNG and WP:RS. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:13, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Should Dream the Youtuber be given an article at this point, considering its coverage?

There's one already at this point. Probably adding the scandal would make it notable enough. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 14:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael, As long as you have references from reliable sources, you can improve the just and submit it once again. However, there is a lot going on there. Le Panini ^[🥪] 14:17, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

The comments and declines make me unfocused, as these comments in its essence only says "this article is bad and needs improvements". Could I move the comments to talkpage and summarize it in the draft as key points for improvement? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 14:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Please follow the blue links in the numerous comments you have received for further information about what is required.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Shantavira: Which comment, sorry? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 15:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael, Those little exclamation points under the declines are the comments; a couple of them linked to Wikipedia policies to help aid in article development. Le Panini ^[🥪] 16:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm trying to make a fork of it on my sandbox. Apologies for my overly formal tone, as I usually edit local Indonesian politicians. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 16:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Yippeeee! Off to bed. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 16:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael, you haven't made a fork of it in your sandbox. You have created a redirect to it in your sandbox. Maproom (talk) 18:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

How to add a userbox

How do you add a userbox to your user page? The userbox page was a little complicated. Vamsi20 (talk) 01:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Vamsi20, simply, first go to Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries and navigate to find userboxes you want. Then copy the code, e.g. {{User:UBX/ballroom dancing}}. Go to your userpage, click edit, paste it, preview to make sure it works, and publish. Something to keep in mind is that, while we give some amount of latitude, user pages are intended to aid the development of the encyclopedia, not just to be a space for personal expression, so weigh whether or not the userboxes you add will help others understand your editing. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Now I have a userbox gallery! Vamsi20 (talk) 19:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Notes

Hey, everyone. So, I've started my first draft for an article, and I know how to make references, but how do I make notes? Masterofpresidents (talk) 18:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Masterofpresidents:, and welcome to the Teahouse! To insert footnotes into the article, please see Template:Efn. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 19:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Donation

I have tried to donate every time the prompt appears for two years with a credit card, not pay pal. It rejects my attempts each and every time. Today it says 98% of readers do not donate. Something is wrong with the way donate system and there is no one to contact. I am sure there are others like me who can not get donation through. 2601:484:8100:34F0:D4ED:57F:8F3C:4424 (talk) 20:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

If you are having difficulty donating, you may find this page helpful. 331dot (talk) 20:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

New signature

So I created a new colorful signature because the normal blue link is ugly so here it is.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TigerScientist/New_signature It is great except that when I do the 4 tildes, it still does the old default one. How can I change it to where when I do the 4 tildes, it shows the colorful one? TigerScientist (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@TigerScientist: Enter it in the "Signature" field at Special:Preferences and check "Treat the above as wiki markup". PrimeHunter (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thank you so much! TigerScientist Chat 20:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

How to add a specific character from a page to a category, without listing the page name itself

Hello everyone, I'm new to wikipedia and there is one thing I can't figure out even if I had to save my life, and that is how to add a character listed on a page, to a category without listing the entire category. I was doing some work on the category Fictional characters with multiple personalities, removing characters that did not belong there and trying to add ones that did. I created a characters section on the Xenoblade Chronicles 2 page for Rex and Pyra (will add Mythra later after I'm finished writing about her to go together with Pyra). But I cannot figure out how to add Pyra to the category, without adding Xenoblade Chronicles 2 instead. I am able to use sortkey, but that just sorts it under Pyra's name, it doesn't display it. I'm really not sure what to do. Another character already in the category (Lucy, Elfen Lied) is linked to the category in the way I want to connect Pyra to it. But when I investigate the Elfen Lied list of characters page to figure out how that was done, no where does it show how Lucy is connected to the category page in question, so I have no clue how she appears there or what to do. Any help would be super appreciated! TruthfulEditors (talk) 20:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@TruthfulEditors: A page is always displayed with its real name in a category. You can create a redirect with the character name and add the redirect to Category:Fictional characters with multiple personalities. The redirect will display in italics. There are already several in the category. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:38, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

See also Help:Redirect. And hi TruthfulEditors, welcome to the Teahouse. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much! TruthfulEditors (talk) 20:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Newcomer responding to a talk request

Hallo all, here courtesy of Tagishsimon - on that note is there a way to tag users here? I'll get to reading all things wikipedian shortly. Regards. Orangelight747 (talk) 11:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Use the {{Reply to|}} command to notify other users. To use it correctly, put the username after the | symbol, like this: {{Reply to|Orangelight747}}, which will show this: @Orangelight747:. You will get a notification for this. Le Panini ^[🥪] 11:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: Thankyou! Cool signature👍Orangelight747 (talk) 20:50, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I've been asked to create an article for a company. Is this notable?

I've been asked to write a Wikipedia article about a company that is number 40 on the Inc. Magazine "5000 list of the fastest growing companies in America." It's been written about in Entrepreneur, Forbes, and Money magazine to name the most reputable publications.

Do you believe it is notable enough for a Wikipedia article? Paulzeroes (talk) 21:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Without looking at the actual sources you intend to cite, can't say. Especially as regards Forbes. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 21:15, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Paulzeroes:, and welcome to the Teahouse! Before you begin editing I strongly suggest you read our policies for editors with a conflict of interest or that have been paid for their contributions, since it appears that you may be a paid editor or one with a conflict of interest - both scenarios require you to disclose this before you begin editing. For the subject to be notable enough to warrant an article, it must meet the criteria specified at either WP:NCORP or WP:GNG - if there are any parts of these that you don't understand, feel free to reply to me here. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 21:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

The other thing that you and your client should understand, Paulzeroes is that it is no part of Wikipedia's purpose that an article should be for the benefit of its subject. Many subjects do benefit from articles about them, of course, but some definitely do not. If you write the article and get it accepted into the encyclopaedia, it will not belong to you or your client, neither of you will have any control over the contents (your involvement will be limited to suggesting edits to it), it may contain things your client does not want said (if they have been reported in reliable sources), and it should contain almost nothing that comes from your client unless it is also in an independent reliable source. --ColinFine (talk) 21:49, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Having trouble editing a wikipedia page

Hello, I am having trouble editing information on a wikipedia page and each time I make a change, the information seems to get deleted and removed. This is the webpage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridian_Knowledge_Solutions and I'm unclear as what to do? Krr1997 (talk) 21:29, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

It was deleted for want of sources, mainly. We are not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 21:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

When you look at the page history and find the edit which reverts your edit, read the WP:edit summary for important clues as to what has happened. In this case, the reverting editor wrote, "unsourced list of nonnotable people". Also, you changed California to Calif., which is unencyclopedic and against the Wikipedia Manual of Style. If you are in any way connected to the company, you must immediately declare your conflict of interest.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Meridian Knowledge Solutions is a subsidiary of Visionary Integration Professionals (VIP), which itself provides no evidence of its notability, all its cited sources being non-independent or no longer accessible. Maproom (talk) 22:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Krr1997, what the above by Maproom means is that the best thing you can do in terms of editing Wikipedia is to help save Visionary Integration Professionals (VIP) from near-inevitable deletion by (if possible) finding and adding references to reliable sources which demonstrate the subject's notability. Where dead links exist, try to find a working link for the material supported by the dead link.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Can somebody please close our discussion and RFC

We have had an extensive discussion here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_London#Standardisation_for_all_London_Neigbourhood_/_Area_Pages

As I pointed out many times there, I am trying to restore articles to previous guidelines and consensus. As you know, an RFC is best closed by an uninvolved editor. We just need someone to have a quick sift through the archives to find this previously agreed guidelines / consensus and then this can be formally closed. I took the liberty to find the relevant archives and I will paste them below here to read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_London/Archive_10#Changing_'London'_to_'Greater_London' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Europe_and_North_Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_London/Naming_conventions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_London/Archive_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_London/Archive_4

I would really appreciate it if an experienced, uninvolved editor could do this. Thank you :) Justgravy (talk) 19:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Justgravy Those comments from the people opposing changing London to Greater London just show how clueless most of the world is. London isn't anything. It isn't a city, it doesn't have city status, and it has no official boundaries. It's just a nickname for the ceremonial county of Greater London, which is also a region. Greater London contains 2 cities which are:

City of Westminster
City of London which is 1 mile square, and is also a county.

People constantly refer to places as being "In London," when what they actually should say is they're in the county of Greater London. Places in the City of Westminster are incorrectly labelled as being "In London" rather than "In Westminster." Just because the 46 years out of date post towns and post counties from Royal Mail say those places are In London doesn't make it true. There's also many more places with their own council boundaries, and/or their own post towns, some of which aren't even in Greater London, incorrectly labelled as being "In London." What you were doing needs to happen, to stop even more people in the world believing things which aren't true, like the fact that London is not a city.

Danstarr69 (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Justgravy: You're going to want to bring your request to Requests for closure. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 00:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Question: When should you G3 a hoax and when should you PROD one?

Essentially, what defines "blatant" in terms of a hoax? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 21:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @JJPMaster:, nice to see you at the teahouse! Essentially, you should G3 a hoax if it's obviously clear that the article is just a pure piece of misinformation and any editor in good faith would agree (e.g. a miracle cure for COVID-19). If it's not clear whether it's a piece of misinformation then send it to AfD where it can undergo scrutiny by multiple editors - I wouldn't PROD it since that leaves all the work to one admin who may not be able to spot errors that indicate the article is a hoax. An example of AfD taking down a hoax was Thomas Wiley, where multiple factual errors were spotted by multiple editors. I hope that answers your question, but if there's anything else just reply underneath. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 22:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@JJPMaster: It comes down to individual judgement of how "hoaxy" something is, but if I'm not mistaken, G3 tagging also requires an admin to review, including looking at the revision history to see if the "hoax content" was a recent addition to an otherwise viable existing article. Both G3 and PROD can be contested by anyone, after which AfD may be the next option. In both cases, the creator should be notified on their talk page. Also, PRODs must sit for a week before they can be acted on by an admin - a G3 tagged article can be deleted immediately at the discretion of an admin, potentially even before its creator gets an alert. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Example of Citation Overkill?

I am gradually trying to improve the article on Alma Thomas. One aspect of this has been to improve its "Notable Collections" section, at Alma Thomas#Notable collections. In this section, I have tried to add links to the pictures of listed paintings where those links are easily available.

I think I can now delete, as Citation Overkill, the footnotes that are redundant with (& in some cases identical to) those links; if the link gives the name and date of the painting and which collection it is in, a footnote for that painting is superfluous and can be deleted. Footnotes are only needed where there is no link, or the link does not support the article text (picture name, year, collection). Do others agree? Thanks. Sullidav (talk) 04:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sullidav! It's actually the external links that should go, not the citations; see WP:ELLIST. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Sullidav, An example of citation overkill, specifically notability bombing, is Draft:Chrom Le Panini ^[🥪] 15:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Sdkb and Le Panini. I was looking at this line from the cited page as one basis to include the links. "This section does not apply if the external link is serving as a citation to a reliable source for a stand-alone list entry that otherwise meets that list's inclusion criteria." And I thought links to legally available pictures of the named artworks could be useful, and improve the page.

But I will delete the links if the consensus is that they should not be there. Sullidav (talk) 16:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sullidav: I tried looking for examples of good lists of works of art to provide as a model. I couldn't find any, but List of works by Thomas Cole is close enough. Notice how it uses a table, which allows for a nicer display. It links over the painting name only if the painting has a Wikipedia page, but it has a reference column that typically includes the external link to the museum page. This is preferable because it helps reduce link rot. So I'd suggest converting the external links into citations where that hasn't been done yet, then switching to a table format if you'd like to really spruce it up. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:28, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Sdkb Sullidav (talk) 02:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

My contribution

Please check my contribution for violations. Владимир Меланхолин (обс) 07:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Владимир Меланхолин (talk • contribs)

Hi Владимир Меланхолин. If you're referring to the WP:MINOR edits you made earlier today, then they seem fine to me. I'm not sure why you would think cleaning up citation syntax errors is some kind of violation, but such cleanup is generally a good thing per WP:CS#Generally considered helpful. Thank you for doing that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:59, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I just haven't fully read the rules yet, so I asked, just in case. In the Russian Wikipedia, I have already completely cleaned up, and here I have just started. Владимир Меланхолин (обс) 08:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

And here, you will never finish!<chortle>--Quisqualis (talk) 03:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I have one more question. When I type a hundred edits, can I apply for a autopatrol? Владимир Меланхолин (обс) 08:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Владимир Меланхолин, do you mean Wikipedia:Autopatrolled? The criterion set at that page is 25 new articles, but to be safe you'd probably want to have created more than that. It's pretty much impossible to create 25 passable articles in 100 edits, so you'd probably need closer to 1000 or more. Autopatrolled is an advanced right and it's not given out lightly. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Also, by the way, you'll probably want to fix the missing space in "usertalk" in your signature, as it's not going to your talk page right now. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: And in the Russian Wikipedia, you only need 100 years and a month of experience... Are there similar rights? In the Russian Wikipedia was once the rights "Автодосматривающие". Владимир Меланхолин (обс) 09:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Владимир Меланхолин, if you mean "autoconfirmed", that only takes 10 edits and 4 days. That permission allows you to create pages and edit semi-protected pages. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! If you have any questions, I will contact you on the your user talk. Владимир Меланхолин (обс) 09:33, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Copyright Violation

Hi Guys!!!

Please help me in publishing my article which will be visible in google search I think Wikipedia experts will solve my issue. Maverick2554 (talk) 01:50, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Maverick2554, the first thing you should probably do is announce that you are a paid editor on your user page. You may use {{paid}} to do so. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 01:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Note: Maverick2554 has since reformatted their question. The original wording can be found in this diff. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 02:58, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Maverick2554. Generally, Wikipedia is not as interested in what a subject has to say about itself, but rather what others unconnected to the subject are saying about it. In addtion, most of the content you might find on official website tends to be written in a promotional tone that's not acceptable for Wikipedia per WP:NPOV; so, even if the content wasn't judged to be a copyright violation, it most likely still wouldn't be written in a way suitable for Wikipedia. The first things you probably should try and explain to your client is Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Ownership of content. If your client is assuming that it will be able to control any content about it on Wikipedia in pretty much the same way that it can control the content on its official website or social media accounts, then it's mistaken and is likely going to end disappointed in the end. As for Wikitia, Wikipedia has nothing to do with that website as I explained to you before at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1086#Need to publish my article successfully; you will have to sort things out with the Wikitia people if you want to add something to their website. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Please do help me in publishing my article so that everyone can view that in google search. I have it in my sandbox and need it to get published. Maverick2554 (talk) 02:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Assuming you are referring to User:Maverick2554/sandbox2, nothing "needs" to get published. Editors here at Teahouse give advice on how to edit. This does not mean helping improve declined drafts (although some might). Its on you to learn how to reference properly. See Help:Referencing for beginners. Lastly, the reviewer mentioned that there is also a similarly worded Draft:Shalkal Carty, created back in September by a different editor. Any connection? David notMD (talk) 02:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Please do verify my Article which has been posted in my sandbox. It has been moved to Wikipedia Maverick2554 (talk) 04:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

What is your connexion to your subject? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 07:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Maverick2554, the sourcing of your draft is very weak. You have not listed any reliable sources which discuss Shalkal in depth. You need to go on Google or another search engine and find them. Articles about him in reliable sources are what you need. If you wait for other Wikipedia editors to find sources, which is your job to do, it could be a while.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Status: draft is at User:Maverick2554/sandbox2. Declined 9 December, not resubmitted. Maverick2554 Teahouse hosts answer questions about how to edit, but are not article reviewers. If you want this to go forward, required you answer the connection question, then improve the draft and resubmit. Per Warning on your Talk page, you will be blocked if you edit without declaring your paid relationship to this draft, and may also apply to Draft:Justin Bateman. David notMD (talk) 08:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Sources Required for Sports Event

Hello, I created a page for 2019–20 America's Cup World Series, and it was declined and put to draft for crystal ball issues while using the official race website as the primary souce (which would be the correct and official record). I have added other secondary sources as I can to back up the official webpage, am I missing something or do I need to add more? Looking at {{2015–16_America%27s_Cup_World_Series}}, there seem to be only links to the official website there. What is the difference between mine and that one? Thanks! Pdohm12 (talk) 19:15, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Looks like User:Kasper2006 made this page as a copy/paste from my draft --Kasper2006 (talk) 22:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)Pdohm12 (talk) 19:38, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree. 2019–20 America's Cup World Series created 17 Dec by Kasper2006 with content identical to your draft Draft:2019–20 America's Cup World Series, started 5 December, which was declined and resubmitted. Kasper2006 has been around more than 12 years and has created more than 1,500 articles. Worth asking on K's Talk page why your draft was stolen. David notMD (talk) 19:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

My intent was certainly not to steal the draft, but since I was following the World Series races on television, which obviously is a fairly important international event, and among other things the other editions of the WS have the page on wikipedia, I happened to already find the draft very well done, so I thought it was normal to create it now that the event is in progress. I apologize if I have not acted correctly but I have done total good faith. --Kasper2006 (talk) 20:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Kasper2006. The problem is that the licence says that material from Wikipedia may be freely copied and reused as long as its source is attributed. This applies even for copying within Wikipedia. If you had said in the edit summary where you had copied it from, that would have satisfied the legal requirements. But in any case, it would have been much better to have moved the page, rather than leaving multiple copies around. --ColinFine (talk) 21:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

No worries Kasper2006, as long as the event is published and useful, I do not care who publishes it. Just glad it is live as the racing has begin. I will continue to keep it up to date, please feel free to edit as well if I screw something up Pdohm12 (talk) 20:49, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Kasper2006: Your User page states that you have created more than 1,600 articles. Are there other times you have taken other editors' drafts and converted those into articles? David notMD (talk) 21:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

No, it was the first time. The author accepted my apologies and said everything is ok. It will be my concern to put the origin of the article in the talk. --Kasper2006 (talk) 22:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kasper2006: Like ColinFine said, it's actually better to move the page rather than copying and pasting. That way, we won't have two identical copies lying in different namespaces, and there's also an added benefit of having the entire edit history in one place. See the history of this page for example: the original author wrote a draft, it got declined in AfC, the author improved it, and it got accepted. If you just copied and pasted, we wouldn't have this history available. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do that in the future. As I said it was the first time I created an article using a draft, I was explained that it was not the correct way, I apologized and understood what I will have to do if there is a next time. --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft submission question

I have submitted both above drafts several times for review and have yet to receive information that they are uploaded to Internet. If I am doing something incorrect then tell me what it is and how to fix it. This process has been very numbing. For your records I am the rightful owner of both drafts as the owner Robert L. Peden as shown on drafts. Please get back ASAP!. Thank you. 75.157.149.201 (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Your article was moved to draftspace Draft:Victoria Mussels. It will not be approved without proper sourcing. See WP:RS. But please don't say you are the owner - we don't consider anyone the owner here. If you can find proper sourcing, you could be the creator. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 01:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

FYI

– Merging with above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 01:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I, Robert L. Peden have been methodicaly adding additional information as the owner of this team since 1979 to this draft site. When can I expect it to be reviewed and uploaded to the Internet? Thank you. Robert L. Peden 75.157.149.201 (talk) 01:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

It will be reviewed when a reviewer gets to it in the backlog. Please see TimTempleton's response. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 01:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Robert - it hasn't been submitted yet. But I don't recommend you do. Please review WP:COI. That is a policy strongly discouraging you from writing about a business you own. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 01:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

You have created two drafts, one mislabeled User:Iamthewiseguy, submitted to be reviewed for qualifying as an article in main space, and the other Draft:Victoria Mussels not yet submitted. Zoozaz1 is the editor who submitted Iamthewiseguy, so should be contacted if that was not your intent. Neither are in encyclopedia style and neither have any references. As such, both will be Declined. If the drafts are improved, they can be submitted to AfC. The fact that you owned this baseball team for a while does not matter. All content must be verified by references, or else removed. Given past ownership, you are strongly advised to state exactly that on your User page. And a good idea that going forward, you register an account, and switch to that for all future editing. David notMD (talk) 01:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

The first has been renamed Draft:Victoria Blues Baseball Club, and it appears you are trying to add references. See Help:Referencing for beginners for ref formatting instructions. And look at Southern Oregon Timberjacks for an example of article about a minor league team. David notMD (talk) 09:00, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Policy on cyberbullying

This morning I was pleasantly greeted with an email with a caption "Gihan Jayaweera‬ left you a message on Wikipedia"

To my utter dismay the message read as follows.

"Do not do stupid works with giving year wise progression for the actor. Because, there is fairly small descriptive area for each year, so DO NOT do such foolish works in the future. You should know that Wikipedia is an ENCYCLOPEDIA. Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 17:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)"

I understand that the Wikipedia policy on cyberbullying read as "The Simple English Wikipedia will not tolerate cyberbullying: Bullying is "Grossly insulting and degrading", and as such it qualifies for Revision Deletion. Any edit which makes a negative, degrading and insulting comments about another person is cyberbullying."

Does Wikipedia tolerate this pastern of internal behaviour? Ralbahitha (talk) 17:01, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Well, i'm here to note that the user Gihan Jayaweera also said in an edit summary in the article Madhava Wijesinghe :

"Reverted all stupid inclusions done by a stupid foolish fellow. It should be encyclopedic. Do not be a fool to change the format with several advertisement like phrases"

To put it simply, we usually accept criticisms on content and not insults on the editor. -GoatLordServant^{(Talk-Contribs)} 17:18, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Another editor has already warned Gihan Jayaweera (on their Talk Page) not to make personal attacks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I apologize from the editor regarding my behavior. There will not be any such thing in the future. No need to take this too far. It is just a matter of time with such edit due to fact that I took serious effort to make that article and then on the next day I saw a huge change. Thats it. Thank You. Very sorry Ralbahitha. Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 19:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Ralbahitha, this is, as you stated, not tolerated on any Wikipedia editions, be it English, Simple, Latvian, Mandarin, etc. The user has been warned of their behaviour, which in ENWP, violates WP:Do not bite the newcomers and WP:AGF. If any editor does such again, feel free to rant about it, and if the editor really does it in malice, they will be warned. Gerald WL 09:23, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Question

Hello again. . . How do I change my username? I would like to change it to "Rosefeather of WindClan". Ex-Borg Seven of Nine (talk) 01:17, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ex-Borg Seven of Nine: See Wikipedia:Changing username TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 01:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Now what? Ex-Borg Seven of Nine (talk) 01:36, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ex-Borg Seven of Nine: Go to one of the four venues listed at the bottom. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 01:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: I mean, after I submitted my request at simple. Some kind of bot said "no problems detected" so now what? Ex-Borg Seven of Nine (talk) 01:43, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Now you just have wait until a global renamer reviews your request. Only certain editors have the ability to change a username. Please be patient. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:57, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Ex-Borg Seven of Nine (talk) 11:52, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

inline citations

Do all articles need inline citations? What if a list of references are available but are not placed as inline citations? HotTomatoe (talk) 13:36, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, HotTomatoe. Did you have an specific article in mind when you asked this? If you visit this page you can learn more about them, and why they're helpful in associating statements with supporting refences, rather than just having a list of vague references at the end of an article. There are however, certain circumstances when you o another editor MUST use inline citations, as explained in this subsection of the page about citations - mostly linking to biographies of living people, or content liable to be disputed or removed. Inline citations are extremely easy to add, using either of our two editing tools. Each has a 'Cite' button and a look-up tool to automatically extract what information it can from the url or ISBN number you might give. But they still always need manually checking before saving into the page, and perhaps the odd bit of information adding by hand. You can read a simple guide and watch a video (at Help:Referencing for beginners), or check out some notes of my own that I put together Here). Hoping this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Botched Redirect (Electricity Sector of Guyana)

I tried making a redirect, but I didn't initiate the page properly and now I have a dopey-looking user-sandbox-redirect. Can someone delete this humiliating error in judgement? Thanks, Estheim (talk) 11:49, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Estheim: Tag the page with {{Db-u1}}. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 11:53, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Done (though not by me). Nick Moyes (talk) 14:25, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Template for self-dealing source citations?

When users add material to articles, and source it to media which they create or control, I assume that is WP:linkspam. Do we have a linkspam template which specifically mentions sourcing to the user's own site, media, etc? As opposed to {{subst:uw-spam1}}.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: There is the Template:Uw-unsourced1 family of templates as well as Template:Uw-unreliable, but those aren't as specific to your case. If it's a one-off occurrence, I'd say just write a personal message on their talk page. All user warning templates will also allow you to add additional text to the end of the warning. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:56, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Quisqualis. Another possibility is to use the closest standard warning template that you can find, and then immediately copyedit the text to customize it for the specific situation. As an administrator, I do this quite often. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like very good idea. Thanks to you both.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:12, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: Yes, I do similar to Cullen, sometimes. Just in case you ever need a full list of warning templates, I find WP:WARNING quite a good place in which to do a keyword-search. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:32, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

what to do when someone sent me a message?

Hello!

I'm new to wikipedia (have made 1 edit and started a sandbox new page). I got an email that someone "left me a message" on wikipedia, and that message looks like it's live on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Csoconn#Welcome%21

Apologies for the silly question but... how do I respond to this person to say thanks? I don't see a reply button or anything similar. Do I edit that page and leave a little note below? How will they know to check back and see that I said thanks?

Thank you for any advice! Csoconn (talk) 15:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Csoconn (talk) 15:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Csoconn: You edit the page and leave a note to say thanks. If you want to know for certain that they will see it, then you can {{ping}} them like have pinged you at the start of this reply. Cheers! REDMAN 2019 (talk) 15:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Csoconn, even easier than editing the page is editing the section. Right after the header/title of the message is (edit) in a blue link. That will open an edit box, where you reply below the message. Use colons to indent your text., and sign using four tildes ~~~~--Quisqualis (talk) 15:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

One easy way to thank people without actually leaving another edit on the page in question is to go to its "view history" tab, look for the line where that person made the edit and click on the "thank" that appears in brackets to the right of the other editing details. That's what to do if someone does a nice edit to an article where you would not want to actually make another edit to the article itself and, of course, where a ping of anyone including Csoconn would not be appropriate. This is also a good way to acknowledge you've read something without creating a new conversation the other user would have to read. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:28, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, @Michael D. Turnbull:! I definitely would not have known about that option! Csoconn (talk) 15:44, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, @Quisqualis: and @REDMAN 2019:! I'm going to try that now. Much appreciated! Csoconn (talk) 15:44, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Looking for 2 templates

I am looking for 2 templates

1) There are 2 articles Muslims and Muslim world They cater to similar aspects still can not be exactly same and serve distinct purposes. I wish to put header template to invite others to talk page about Which content to go in which article. Is there any helpful template available for this purpose.

2) In this second instance title Ex-Muslims redirects to List of former Muslims. Now I do have a draft article ready for Ex-Muslims and this policy seems to say I can go strait and create new article in space of a redirect without hassle. Still I want to invite readers of List of former Muslims through a template for discussion page about cancellation of redirect and creation of new page Ex-Muslims. I had seen some other article being placed with one template with similar purpose. But I forgot that article name and template name. Please let me know the which template might it would have been or any alternate template that would suit my need. Thanks and warm regards :[User:Bookku|Bookku]] (talk) 08:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Bookku: For 1, I don't know of anything particular. You could just use {{Notice}} and write out the message. For 2, I think you're looking for {{Please see}}. Regarding the actual change, I'm not sure why we'd want a separate article on ex-Muslims vs. former Muslims; that sounds like a content fork unless there is some significant distinction. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Bookku, ah, I understand what you meant, if even I do. For N1, are you referring to Template:Distinguish? The "Not to be confused with" stuff? And for N2, you will have to finish the draft first and have it accepted as an article by an AFC reviewer, then the reviewer will replace the redirect with the article you created. As I am an AFC reviewer, if this is what you're referring to, mind linking the draft? Gerald WL 10:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Still it is time. Wikipedians are not still used to concepts of normativity and problems related to appeal to popularity. Those aspects I will be discussing first on village pump separately. Though I asked about templates it is still I have to catch on number of steps. I will get back to you when things are ready which would need your support. Thanks for being supportive. Bookku (talk) 10:10, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Not really understand what that meant, but it is best I root for you mate. Gerald WL 10:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Sorry, I suppose your description of content fork does not suit here. We have covered entirely distinct article topics in the draft, still putting for discussion. Also that don't have article Former muslims that too like Ex-Muslims presently gets redirected to List of former Muslims Which is just a list and not encyclopedic article. What we do have is Apostasy in Islam. With Apostasy in Islam the question is of normativity where in title intends to enforce Islamic normative while Ex or Former Muslim strive to leave that normative so technically those are supposed to be distinct and We have covered it in the draft distinctly. If we have articles on Muslims and Muslim world when not much dissimilar normative why we can not have separate article for distinct normative covering distinct aspects? Still before bringing in article space I propose to have detail discussion that is why I was requesting the templates.I will send invites of those discussions to you when I discuss Talk:Apostasy in Islam. But first I wish to have opinions of Ex Muslims @ Talk:List of former Muslims cause they being real stake holders. Pl. also do note though Wikipedia has articles on former Muslims, those are usually are written by others, Own participation of Former Muslims on Wikipedia is largely missing. We need to give them space to represent in encyclopedic way. Thanks for your support about templates.Warm regardsBookku (talk) 09:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm having difficulty understanding what you are trying to say. To achieve consensus in the discussions you are trying to have, you will need to articulate yourself more clearly. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:47, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

{Re|Sdkb}} Still it is time. Wikipedians are not still used to concepts of normativity and problems related to appeal to popularity. Those aspects I will be discussing first on village pump separately. Though I asked about templates it is still I have to catch on number of steps. I will get back to you when things are ready which would need your support. Thanks for being supportive. Bookku (talk) 10:10, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Own participation of Former Muslims on Wikipedia is largely missing. We need to give them space to represent in encyclopedic way.

Bookku, the machine translation you appear to have used has almost no semantic content, as it is entirely unidiomatic. You're asking people, in garbled English, to join your cause, when we (whether our first language is English or Arabic) are profoundly confused as to your meaning.

One thing that came through, though, in this passage, "Own participation of Former Muslims on Wikipedia is largely missing. We need to give them space to represent in encyclopedic way", is the possibility that you are promoting a viewpoint you hold, rather than being thorough and encyclopedic. If that is the case, remember that Wikipedia is not for promotion.

Anything you propose to write about ex-Muslims should accord with coverage in WP of ex-Catholics, ex-Mormons, etc., and not have undue emphasis based on your personal interests.--Quisqualis (talk) 15:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@ User:Quisqualis First of all this is not official discussion. Here I was just asking help in templates. A user digressed that does not give license to continue digression. When official discussion takes place I will invite, Whether I need to explain that separately to every one> Your comment is absolutely presumptuous. It is not even 24 hours I took side to retain conservative pint of view @ Talk:Hijab#Deletion of sourced content ?. You are unnecessarily trying to discredit in advance that too with personal criticism that is not welcome (emphasis added) Thanks and regards Bookku (talk) 15:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

No discredit was intended, Bookku. I only wanted to save you any future wasted effort.--Quisqualis (talk) 15:49, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Difference between Muslim .... and Islamic .... ?

Greetings, This is a discussion invite about nuanced view about Difference between 'Muslim .... and Islamic ....' @:

Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 65#Difference between Muslim .... and Islamic .... ?

Thanks and best wishes.Bookku (talk) 11:18, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Making the wiki article searchable

Biography wiki page I created a biography of my father. How do i make it searchable so if i search using his name in google, it should take me to the page. Please let me know., Thanks. M. Nallappan (talk) 18:01, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Thanks Vasanthi

M. Nallappan Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you have confused creating an article with creating an account. You edited your user page, which is not article space and is not searchable by search engines. It is a place to tell about you as a Wikipedia user, not write an article. I assume you used your father's name and not your own. New users cannot directly create articles, and must use Articles for creation to submit drafts for review. If you were to do that with your draft, it would unfortunately be rejected quickly, as it is not written in the tone of a neutral encyclopedia article. It is also completely unsourced to independent reliable sources showing how your father meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Please learn more about Wikipedia by reading about the five Pillars. 331dot (talk) 18:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

M. Nallappan The Speedy deletion tag on your User page means that very soon an Administrator will delete all the content. As noted above there is a proper process for creating and submitting draft articles. David notMD (talk) 18:35, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@M. Nallappan: I was sorry to read of the recent loss of your father. Please accept my sympathies. Because it didn't seem that Wikipedia was quite the right place for such a memorial page, might I respectfully offer an alternative suggestion for you? What I suspect you would really get great comfort from is to be able to have a webpage online that can contains whatever information and photographs of your father that you wished and which nobody else can alter, unless you give them permission. To that end, I often use Google's blogger to create small websites at no cost, and which require no subscription - just a free signup. They can be made to look like normal websites - either single pages, or multiple tabs to different topic areas. Whilst there are many other options out there, Blogger is quite a simple one to use, and certainly doesn't have to appear like a chronological diary, which is what most people think of when they envisage blogging accounts. Kind regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

My article moved to draftspace

I have translated an article from fr wikipedia (Tunisian actor Biography: Draft:Mohamed Mrad). But my article moved to draft. I cited more sources. Can you please review --ChrisMat2020 (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@ChrisMat2020: It's already in the review backlog. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 00:24, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thanks could you review ? --ChrisMat2020 (talk) 00:32, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

ChrisMat2020, I'm not a reviewer. A reviewer will get to it in their own time. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 00:36, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I understand Thank you --ChrisMat2020 (talk) 00:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

ChrisMat2020 - our notability policy for actors policy WP:NACTOR requires the actor to have "had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." The sourcing that's there now doesn't suggest that Mrad meets the criteria. I don't see how the article will be accepted without more sourcing showing multiple significant roles. But you can still edit it while the review is pending. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 01:01, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Timtempleton There are 20 sources and he had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, and other productions. He has Arabic and French wikipedia and he is among the first actors in Tunisia. I cited more sources, could you check now Thanks --ChrisMat2020 (talk) 03:05, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

ChrisMat2020 Discussion moved to draft talk page. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Old articles that have never been fixed

Hi. Just asking what happens to articles like these (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consortium_of_British_Humanitarian_Agencies), which have had a template for 10 years and the article never got any attention? Nostalgic57 (talk) 21:16, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Nostalgic57 (talk) 21:16, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Nostalgic57: It is just waiting for someone to take interest in fixing it. Maybe you? RudolfRed (talk) 21:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Logos

Hi everyone. Is there a special WikiProject or page where editors handle images specifically? I ask because I posted an edit request to add a new logo to the SKDK article. I received a message on my talk page saying the image I uploaded will be removed from Wikipedia if it is not used in any article within a certain timeframe. I work for SKDK so I will not add the logo to the article directly because of my conflict of interest. John at SKDKDigital (talk) 22:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Done TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:53, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Redirect change

FYI

– Heading added by Tenryuu.

I have no interest in becoming a regular editor of Wikipedia but someone needs to change the redirect of Publius Septimius Geta as governor of Moesia that sends people to Geta Emperor. The emperor was the son of Emperor Lucius Septimius Severus but the governor was the brother of Septimius and the uncle of young Geta. Check the dates of the governor and the emperor. Yes, they had the same name but they were not the same person. I suspect the page was correct once and someone simplified it by adding the erroneous redirect. 2601:5C2:4380:9500:396E:94AF:5602:1E52 (talk) 21:38, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm guessing that you're talking about a link in an article which is directed to the wrong Publius Septimius Geta; but there are hundreds of articles which link to Geta (emperor), and you haven't told us which one is wrong. (I think the redirect page is a red herring: as far as I can see, that has always been or pointed to the article about the emperor. I suspect the problem is simply that somebody hasn't used a piped link). --ColinFine (talk) 23:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Since you haven't provided the specific link/page where this problem exists, but you are concerned about this error, you might fix this yourself, upon returning here. To possibly help in doing so, please see the names of the articles we have at Publius Septimius Geta (disambiguation). Unless the page at issue is protected, and assuming it's the type of error it seems, go ahead and click edit at the page where the error exists, fix the name, write a short edit summary explaining the reason for your edit and what you've done, and click Publish changes. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Improvements for draft

My article was declined. What can I do to make it better and approve it? Here is the link to it. My article on Technical Sports Racing. Vamsi20 (talk) 22:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: Welcome to the Teahouse. As the reviewer noted, the draft is not adequately supported by reliable sources (link in original). The draft only uses one external link: the company's official website. The link would be useful in an "External links" section, but Wikipedia does not use primary sources to demonstrate the subject's notability. If there are other sources that are not affiliated with TSRJP and mention the company significantly, those should be used instead. For a draft reviewers generally like to see at least three references. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 22:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Got it. Vamsi20 (talk) 22:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: Here's one [[2]] TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Is it ok to block Muninnbot?

Is it ok to block Muninnbot, because I don't want to keep seeing "youR ThrEAd HAs BeEn ARCHivED" spam on my talk page, but I don't want to get blocked for "harassing a bot"

And sorry if this question is stupid 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 (always ping me when replying) 19:17, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@LightningComplexFire, it's unlikely a bot that has passed the approval process and is working normally would be blocked, but you can opt out of getting bot notifications by adding {{nobots}} to your user talk page. Hope this helps :) 🎄🎄 Ed talk! 🎄🎄 19:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@LightningComplexFire: The message placed by the bot says "You can opt out of future notifications by placing {{bots|deny=Muninnbot}} here on your user talk page.". RudolfRed (talk) 20:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@LightningComplexFire: I don't mean to be rude, but the bot is simply there to help people appreciate that their Teahouse question has been archived, and to help them find it again. The fewer questions they ask; the fewer times the bot will tell them that their questions have been archived. You have posted here 70 times, so inevitably you are going to get a lot of helper bots informing you that your post has been archived, irrespective of whether you've changed your username. That said, feel to ask questions and to delete the bot's advisory notes. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:52, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

2.152.167.75

2.152.167.75 (talk) 01:36, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question?

Added ISBN

How do I add ISBN numbers to the novels listed in my author's biography?Rubberbat (talk) 22:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Rubberbat (talk) 22:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Rubberbat: There is a template you can use. See WP:ISBN for some examples. RudolfRed (talk) 23:00, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@Rubberbat: - RudolfRed beat me to it. For an example, I added the ISBN (using the {{ISBN}} template) to the first book in the list at Scott Baker (writer).--Gronk Oz (talk) 23:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

P.S. Wikipedia's Manual of Style prefers the heading "List of Works" over "Bibliography" for clarity (see MOS:BIB). --Gronk Oz (talk) 23:12, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Final thought (I hope!) - the book titles should be in italics (see WP:MOS-BIBLIO).--Gronk Oz (talk) 23:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Article is Scott Baker (writer), Rubberbat is Scott Baker (per his Talk page), and the article is a mess of unreferenced facts and autobiographical statements, much of which he added in 2015. David notMD (talk) 02:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Trouble at submitting

(Header added: 16:17, 18 December 2020 (UTC))

Courtesy link: Draft:ISKCON Nepal

I am having trouble at submitting. Sitaramradheshyam (talk) 16:05, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Sitaramradheshyam chances are you have already submitted a draft. Can you provide a link? TigerScientist Chat 16:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Found it. It is submitted but also declined. There needs to be more reliable sources. TigerScientist Chat 16:43, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

FYI

– Below transplanted by Tenryuu.

Problem at submission I have created an article on ISKCON Nepal which is a religious organisation in Kathmandu, but my submission is rejected. Please help me @245CMR R Sitaramradheshyam (talk) 04:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Source neutrality

Hello friends, like last time I am new to the tea house so I am sorry if this is the wrong place to ask.

When adding information to a person's page, would it be appropriate to use an autobiography as a source? The information in the autobiography is supported by other sources, although it is a lot easier to source it from this particular book because it is all in one place. Obviously there is chance of bias, but the information is spread out and difficult to gather elsewhere.. I'm not sure what the policy is on this.

Once again I am sorry if I used the tea house incorrectly and I appreciate any help.

Regards, La Transatlantique La Transatlantique (talk) 19:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @La Transatlantique:

Kind of. An autobiography is considered a reliable source for non contentious stuff, i.e. someone's date of birth, the town they grew up in etc. But not on something likely to be disputed. See WP:ABOUTSELF for more specifics.

--Paul ❬talk❭ 19:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Paul Carpenter:

The part of the biography talks about how much he loved and misses his mother.. emotions are trickier, so I'm not sure about that

--User:La Transatlantique La Transatlantique (talk) 19:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi @La Transatlantique:

I think it's fair to say that he is probably the best authority on whether or not he misses his mother, so an autobiog is right for that. Whether that's encyclopaedic content worth including I wouldn't be so sure.

--Paul ❬talk❭ 19:30, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

The vast majority of people love(d) their mother and miss her after she is gone: I speak from first-hand experience, as my mother died exactly four weeks ago. It would only be worthy of note in an encyclopaedia that someone did not love their mother, for particular and publicly attested reasons relevant to other aspects of their life. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.56.237 (talk) 07:34, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

How to Change

If I want to change an article name/heading for a reasonable reason then how can I? Adishere (talk) 08:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Adishere, if you want to change a name you can move it, see WP:MOVE. If you want to change a heading, well... you just change it there; edit it. Gerald WL 08:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

True Or False

True or False- Non-Free images are not permitted in Drafts. Adishere (talk) 08:07, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Adishere, yes. Gerald WL 08:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

(Meaning they are not allowed.) {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:59, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Would like to donate

I do not have credit cards and do not know paypal. You make it hard to donate. Why dont you jus provide bank details for direct deposit like most companies? 121.210.25.248 (talk) 04:57, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Donations are managed by the Wikimedia Foundation (Wikipedia's parent company) staff, not Wikipedia volunteers (us), so unfortunately we're not able to change anything. If you are able to find a way to donate via PayPal (which I think can take your bank details), I'm sure it will be much appreciated. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Questions about donating should be asked to donate (at) wikimedia.org. See also Ways to give on the donation Website. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

If you use the link Victor gives, it describes how you can mail a check. 331dot (talk) 09:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

How to Submit

If I created a Draft and I want to submit it for review then how can submit it? Adishere (talk) 08:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Adishere, which draft may I ask? I am an AFC reviewer so maybe I can help review it. Gerald WL 08:25, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Your editing history shows you have submitted four articles to Articles for Creation. Results were Rejected, Declined, Declined (this was a resubmit of the Declined under a slightly different name), and Speedy deletion. What do you not understand about creating a draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 11:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I need help with editing, can anyone please help me?

I need help with editing, if anyone is able to help please message me on my talkpage. Davidgoodheart (talk) 10:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Davidgoodheart: I've posted a message on your talk page. The template {{help me}} may be useful for next time. Pahunkat (talk) 11:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Who Are You

Who are the people who answer the question asked in Wikiedia:Teahouse. Adishere (talk) 08:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Adishere: We’re Teahouse hosts, a group of experienced editors willing to help others out. Find a list of us here. Pahunkat (talk) 08:19, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Yep, as Pahunkat said. We're volunteers who enjoy editing Wikipedia and believe in its mission of expanding free knowledge. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:01, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

And any editor who feels like they have something to contribute can answer. I am not on the official list of hosts, but I sometimes kick in.--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

I want to report sockpuppetry, but I can’t figure out how. Can you help me? Vamsi20 (talk) 15:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vamsi20:, see WP:SPI for instructions on opening an investigation. Pahunkat (talk) 15:45, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

The full guidance on the issue is given at WP:SOCK, just in case you want to read that also. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:48, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

There's also WP:BLOCK and WP:BAN which are somewhat relevant so SPs. Gerald WL 15:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

So where can I find a user’s contributions? Vamsi20 (talk) 15:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Vamsi20, example, if you wanna search my contribs, search Special:Contribs/Gerald Waldo Luis. For yours, it's Special:Contribs/Vamsi20. Gerald WL 15:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Vamsi20 (talk) 15:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

What if I can't donate money if I'm in a current state?

What if I can't donate money to Wikipedia because of my current state ex.(below 18+ yrs old) (don't have a bank account or credit cards) (poverty) (financial problems) like that. Rinzerena17 (talk) 13:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Rinzerena17 Hello and welcome. If you are unable to donate, you are not expected to donate. It's called a donation because it is voluntary and only you can decide if you have the means to donate. If you are a minor, Wikipedia will be fine until you reach the age of majority in your country. If you wish to donate but do not have credit cards, you may mail a check, see other ways to give. 331dot (talk) 13:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Donations are not required to being an editor. I'm guessing a majority of editors have never donated. There is no indication on editors' User pages as to whether they have donated or not. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 19 December 2020 (UTC)t

Despite the implications of the fundraising messages, the Wikimedia Foundation has plenty of money in the bank. Anyone who is short of money need not donate financially. The best donation by far is to start improving encyclopedia articles. That is how I donate. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

HELP! What happened to my draft?!?

I began a draft page for my band yesterday and did a LARGE amount of work on it, previewing frequently. And then at some point on a page load, I got a browser or server error (something about my network changing), and the page didn't load. When it finally did, all of my work was gone, and it doesn't appear to have been saved anywhere in my sandbox or at all.

There do not appear to be any controls to save a page, only to preview or to publish. Since the page was far from done I never published it... but the work I did and previewed many times does not appear to have been saved anywhere and I am afraid I will need to start over again from zero.

Can anyone help me here, and hopefully give me some good news about this?Thanks in advance, Matt Mattynabib (talk) 15:52, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Mattynabib, unfortunately, there isn't, unless you tried re-creating the page several seconds after it was gone, it could re-load again. But now that time has passed, it can't.

You shouldn't have cared about whether it's finished or no: publish it in the draft or sandbox, and you can do more progress later. It's the way drafts evolve. For example, if I were to make a draft about a city, I would start off slow, then publish it to have it "saved" in Wikipedia. Later as I got more info, I would revisit it and expand it, until I think it's ready to be an actual article. Normally if I have done a significantly large edit, or I think I won't remember the edit, I would hit publish everytime I do so, so that in event of an emergency or something the precious edit won't be gone.

If you can still remember part of what you wrote, you can re-do it. You can revisit the sources you used, and rewrite with different words. But if you can't do either... well... it's safe to say that that's a lost article. Gerald WL 16:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Mattynabib:, I'm afraid this is a Wikipedia example of your computer running out of power whilst you're in the middle of making a presentation. Sandboxes can contain unfinished content - it serves as a development spot for articles, so save drafts from time to time. I'd recommend that you read our guidelines on conflict of interest editing before you start again, since it appears that you have some connection to the band from your comment? Pahunkat (talk) 16:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Pahunkat, you misunderstood my point. He's referring to autosaving-- can Wikipedia autosave your edits? I say no, and that the only way you can "Save" is by publishing it every time you do an edit at your sandbox/draft. But yes, COI is noteworthy for the editor. Gerald WL 16:20, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis Sorry if I wasn't clear with indentation (should be fixed now), I was replying to Mattynabib. Your points made are completely valid, I just wanted to add a bit about COI, the rest about sandboxes being able to contain unfinished content is exactly as you said. Pahunkat (talk) 16:29, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Pahunkat, Ah, apologies. Gerald WL 16:54, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Mattynabib: you are not the first person to misunderstand what "Publish" means. About three years ago, Wikimedia decided to change the text on the button that used to say "Save" to read "Publish" instead. It has to do with the fact that everything that is saved here is publicly available, if I remember correctly. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 16:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

AFAIK the Visual Editor can retain backups of unsaved edits until the browser tab is closed. I am not 100% certain where they are stored, but I presume they are saved inside Web storage. I am not sure how long they are retained there, though... Probbably until your Wiki Session ends (or you close the tab). @Mattynabib: Many modern browsers (AFAIK at least Firefox) will store failed requests due to network for as long as the error page is open. You can trigger them to resend the request, thus saving the edit, by pressing the reload button. They might prompt you if you want to resend the data - yes you do (at least in this instance) Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Note: AFAIK means "As far as I know," for those unfamiliar. Gerald WL 16:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Uploading photos

How can I upload an image without violating copyright? Please tell me the ways since I am a new comer. Shizuka Bini (talk) 17:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Shizuka Bini: copyright is a complex thing, and I am afraid that we probbably cannot break down all things right now in this post. This is why I always recommend that new users use the Upload Wizard. Basically, Wikipedia accepts all images that are either freely licensed or meet all of WP:NFCC. A couple of notes:

Your own images, i.e. images that you have taken yourself, or that you have created from scratch using a graphics program, are accepted from a copyright standpoint.
If the image is not your own, you will either need to show that it is freely licensed, or that it meets all of WP:NFCC.
Wikipedia consideres images freely licensed if they are
- Public Domain, either because copyright expired, or because their authors put them into Public domain
- under Other license shemes, if they allow derivate works and commercial reuse. For example, Media under CC-BY-SA are accepted, but CC-BY-NC-ND is not.
Please note that Wikipedia considers all material (Texts and Media) to be copyrighted unless explicitely stated otherwise.
Freely licensed images should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons, where they are available to all Wikimedia Projects, including the various languages of Wikipedia.

Do you have a particular case in mind? Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

How do I submit a draft?

Bachnationpr (talk) 18:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Bachnationpr, welcome to the Teahouse. At the top of your draft, add {{subst:submit}} when you are ready. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 18:46, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

If this is about Draft:April Brockman, it looks like a template was already added for you. In that case, click the Submit the draft for review! button. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 18:46, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Caspian Sea depth

Caspian Sea depth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea contains the sentence "The seabed in the south reaches 1,023 m (3,356 ft) below sea level, which is the second lowest natural depression on Earth after Lake Baikal (−1,180 m or −3,870 ft)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Trench contains the sentences "The Mariana Trench or Marianas Trench[1] is located in the western Pacific Ocean about 200 kilometres (124 mi) east of the Mariana Islands; it is the deepest oceanic trench on Earth. It is crescent-shaped and measures about 2,550 km (1,580 mi) in length and 69 km (43 mi) in width. The maximum known depth is 10,984 metres (36,037 ft) (± 25 metres [82 ft]) (6.825 miles) at the southern end of a small slot-shaped valley in its floor known as the Challenger Deep."

I fail to see how both depth records can be true, without additional explanation and clarification. 2607:9000:2000:13:0:0:0:A47E (talk) 12:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I think the difference is that a "depression" is on land(even if filled with water) while an oceanic trench is in the ocean. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Indeed. The word "depression" in the article links to the article on Depression (geology) which explains what it means in this context, so I think it is clear.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Except that the article for Depression specifically mentions an oceanic trench as one kind of depression. Uporządnicki (talk) 19:01, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

2607:9000:2000:13:0:0:0:A47E 331dot Shantavira pinging the three of you to my answer (should have done it in the first place--sorry).

Help

Hi. This is a AfD article. I guess its eaven a speedy deletion. I am not very in this wikipedia thing. Can pls someone check this if everything is ok and if it should be deleted fast? Also I am not sure why it is not apering on the delet debate site? Maybe I missed one step or something. Thx https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnar_Kaiser Dcddiegxo1e3d (talk) 05:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Dcddiegxo1e3d, welcome to the Teahouse. You created a proposed deletion, which is not the same thing as an AfD. If no one contests it it should be deleted soon. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 05:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

As a courtesy, recommended that you leave a note on the talk page of the article creator User talk:Gabel1960, notifying that person of the Proposed deletion. If Gabel1960 decides to oppose the PROD, then the process ends with the article remaining. The only recourse then is to start an AfD. David notMD (talk) 09:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

An editor not the creator reverted the PROD. Next choice is leave it alone or start an AfD. David notMD (talk) 20:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Adding information to a page

I have updated a tiny piece of information as my first contribution to Wikipedia but both of my edits have been reversed by the bot. The information I am adding is accurate and my first edit had a reference to a scripture in the Bible but it was still removed. Not sure why I being flagged as vandalizing. I am new here so I am not sure what I am doing incorrectly. Below was my edit.

Page: The Bible and violence - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_violence#Book_of_Joshua Original text: "God commands Joshua to take possession of Canaan (Joshua 1). The Jericho-woman Rahab aids two Israelite spies, and she and her family are promised to be spared in the coming conquest." Edit: "God commands Joshua to take possession of Canaan (Joshua 1). The Jericho-woman Rahab aids two Israelite spies, and she and her family are promised to be spared in the coming conquest if she hangs a scarlet thread from her window."

The tiny information I added is accurate (Joshua 2:18) taken from the Bible.

Can someone please help me with what is wrong with my edit. Thank you in advance for your kind assistance! Juggyette (talk) 23:31, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Juggyette, we use a combination of an algorithm and human patrolling to revert vandalism, and edits from new users are particularly likely to get flagged. It looks like your edit was reverted once by the algorithm and again by a patroller who perhaps wasn't paying particularly close attention. I've restored the edit, and apologies you encountered so much trouble.

To reduce your chances of getting reverted in the future, I suggest you use descriptive edit summaries. It may also help to learn how to add more detailed references. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:09, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Restore blocked account with a new email address

My account - User:Janet Davis - was blocked in 2008, apparently after it was improperly used by an unauthorized person. I would like to have my account unblocked with a new password and email address.

For my contact information and credentials, see <redacted>

Please tell me what I need to do to reclaim my user account! 75.139.191.235 (talk) 23:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Janet, and welcome back! Based on the note at User talk:Janet Davis, it seems that recovering the old account would unfortunately likely be difficult. I would suggest just creating a new account and noting on your user page that Janet Davis was your old account but that it was compromised. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:01, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I had missed that note! Will do. - Janet Davis 75.139.191.235 (talk) 00:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Please i need help

Hi there i still not get any help from your side can please help me to put my name and all my news article can i send you all detail and a news articles? Thank you Omer Sarikaya Pmpfilm (talk) 20:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Pmpfilm It appears you have started a draft about yourself at Draft:Omer Sarikaya but it has no content. A hyperlink to IMBd about Omer Sarikaya is not an accepted reference. The draft has not been submitted for review. If you submit it, it will be Declined or Rejected as not suitable to be an encyclopedia article. The Teahouse volunteers guide people, but do not write articles for them. David notMD (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Pmpfilm. The help I will give you is that Wikipedia is not for telling the world about yourself, and if you persist in trying to do this, you are likely to have a frustrating and unsatisfactory experience. --ColinFine (talk) 21:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Please i need help

FYI

– Merging with section above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 21:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dear Madam or Sir Please i need you to help me Can you adding this for me ? here is my information

My name is Omer Sarikaya I born in Turkey/ Batman my Date of birdh is:01/03/1969 I am writer and Director i live in Holland/ Amsterdam i did 5 Movie Writer and Director of True Friendship (2015) this is short movie Writer and Director of Silent Angel (2018) Writer and Director of Islamophobia (2018) Writer and Director of Silent Scream (2018) Writer and Director of Aylan Baby (2019)

This articel is about AYLAN BABY https://www.aa.com.tr/en/life/story-of-drowned-syrian-toddler-set-to-be-film/1517711 https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jun/28/alan-kurdi-syrian-toddler-drowned-turkey-steven-seagal-film https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/6/30/family-of-late-syrian-toddler-alan-kurdi-heartbroken-over-film

This articel is about ISLAMOPHOBIA https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/kultur-sanat/islamofobi-filminin-cekimleri-almanyada-tamamlandi/1216043 https://www.trthaber.com/haber/kultur-sanat/islamofobi-filminin-cekimleri-almanyada-tamamlandi-377433.html https://www.haberler.com/cannes-film-festivali-nde-iki-film-ile-turkiye-yi-12059533-haberi/

This articel its about me imbd https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4470253/?ref_=pro_nm_visitcons

So please Please please please can you do it for me becouse i realy dont know how to edit it's very complicated So please i would realy happy if you can help me to editing for me Thank you so much Omer Sarikaya Pmpfilm (talk) 21:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

We're here to write an encyclopedia, not to help you promote yourself. Read the advice of the editors above, who have been very patient with you. Then stop. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

If your career is significant enough to be considered Wikipedia-notable, in time, someone with no connections to you will create an article, with references that are considered reliable sources. Until then, the advice at WP:AUTO is to not attempt to create a draft or article about yourself. And again, Teahouse volunteers are here to advise, not to help create. David notMD (talk) 00:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

How to fix the rendering of math on wikipedia?

I've noticed that the math image processor on wikipedia has changed and as a result many of the equations have become totally unreadable. See the article (C,a) summation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ces%C3%A0ro_summation where a critical "-" sign in the second equation is not visible and therefore completely disrupts the readability and utility of the article Or see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandi%27s_series#Relation_to_the_geometric_series where again all the "-" signs have magically disappeared.

These are just two examples of the top of my head, in general i have noticed that some symbols just dont render anymore.

All these articles are very old and I can recall a day when all symbols on the articles were visible, so at worst case it involves wikipedia reverting back its math image processor. (Note: that both edge + chrome browsers have the problem, so its in the level of the image being created).

What would it take to fix this? 2601:85:C201:7830:B121:4097:C2F6:40EF (talk) 04:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I came across a similar question just yesterday. I suggest in the meantime that you create an account, go to your preferences, and go into the Appearances tab to change the radio button under "Math" to something else (maybe LaTeX or .png images). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 04:41, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I see the minus signs in Firefox. This is phab:T269222: "Minus signs not displaying in Math formulas (on certain zoom levels in Chrome browsers)". PrimeHunter (talk) 08:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Article

How much time will it take to a draft article to get published and what's the procedure?
How can i protect my user page so that only I or admins can edit it (except talk page)? YasharthSinha10 (talk) 08:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello YasharthSinha10, and welcome to the Teahouse!

It depends. Draft articles are reviewed via a process called Articles for Creation. The reviewers there are not set to review things in a particular order, and can pick and choose what to review. I would say most reviews happen within 3 months, though.
Userpages generally shouldn't be protected unless they are being vandalized, and from your page's history I can tell is not. There is no protection which allows one person to edit a page, and the protection that allows admins to edit it wouldn't allow you to edit it - and it's your userpage... In general, requests for page protection should be made here, but in this instance I would recommend you refrain from making a request. For more info on protecting userpages, see this and wP:UPPROT. Regards, Giraffer ^munch 08:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

YasharthSinha10 User pages(or any page or article) are not protected to preempt vandalism, you must show a problem with vandalism first. Pages are also not protected to simply prevent others from editing a particular page that only you wish to edit(like your user page). Other users generally do not edit the user pages of others. 331dot (talk) 08:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Info boxes such as you have created on your User page are usually reserved for articles. Also, naming family members is not recommended. Same for personal information about you. David notMD (talk) 10:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

As to protecting articles, you have created but not yet submitted Draft:Shahi Mosque Eidgah. If submitted and approved, an administrator can create different levels of protection, but only if there develops a pattern of vandalism. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Also, appears you copied content and references from Krishna Janamasthan Temple Complex. Copying from one Wikipedia article to another is allowed, but you are to name in you Edit summaries the article copied from. David notMD (talk) 10:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Question about declined draft

Question moved from another section to its own. Giraffer ^munch 08:42, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Why my article declined Muhammad Owais07 (talk) 08:35, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Muhammad Owais07, your draft was declined because it is not an article, and it is insulting, offensive, and is certainly not encyclopediatic material. The page will most likely be deleted shortly. Do not create it again. Giraffer ^munch 08:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Per your Talk page: Rejected, Deleted for being an attack article, and if your try again you will be blocked from future editing. David notMD (talk) 11:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Infobox image size

How much image size is recommended to use in Infobox person? 13 Eleven 2004 (talk) 11:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@13 Eleven 2004: Please yust pass the image name to the |image= paramter. This way, the size is automatically ajusted to available screen size. See Template:Biography for a code example. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: Thanks sir for your reply.

Creating

How can I create a page? Kenzie Abraham (talk) 11:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC) Kenzie Abraham (talk) 11:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

have you read the responses to your question from Dember 9th, which is still visible here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kenzie Abraham: Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

find user

How does one look up another user/editor so as to view their published self-description? Elevedevie (talk) 01:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Elevedevie, could you please elaborate? It sounds like you're talking about user pages, in which case most editors link to in their signatures. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 03:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

In an item on the Community Wishlist, an editor's user page was "does not exist" in Meta and I wondered how one finds user info, perhaps on a local-user page for another Wikimedia Project. Elevedevie (talk) 03:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Elevedevie, note that an editor does not have to create a User page (with a self-description or otherwise) if they don't want to. I see a number of regular editors who leave their User page uncreated (so that their name in their signature remains a redlink), and just activate their Talk page.

For that matter, an editor doesn't even have to have a User account. I've been editing regularly on Wikipedia (constructively, I hope) for over 15 years and have chosen so far not to create an account, for trivial personal reasons. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.56.237 (talk) 06:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Elevedevie, to add on to the IP editor's comment, user pages are local to their domain. For example, I have a user page created here on Wikipedia, but nothing over at Meta. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 14:27, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Signing posts, and sinebot

There are so many posts in Help, the Teahouse, talk pages, etc. that are not signed by the user with four tildes. Then sinebot (I think that's its name) signs the posts saying "the preceding unsigned post..." Then an editor says "please sign your posts..."

Couldn't we do away with all of that back and forth by simply letting sinebot sign everyone's posts? Without using the phrase "ths preceding unsigned post". And we could do away with the repeated requests to have users sign their posts.

Or, instead of having sinebot do it, the "preview" or "publish" button (in non-article space) could do the signing. Is there a technical reason why that can't be done? (I see there's already four tildes at the end of this form.) Thanks. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Some edits should not be signed, e.g. adding archiving parameters to a talk page or moving a post to a better place. It's hard to evaluate for a program. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for that. If the vast majority should be signed, maybe a "nosign" keyword for the rare cases? Wait, how does sinebot know when to put ths message that "the preceding unsigned post was ..." if it's hard for a bot? I don't want to belabor this; maybe it's not worth the complexity. Thanks again. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation is working on a project that will improve a bunch of things about talk pages, including automatic signing. You can see what they're up to and provide feedback if you want at mw:Talk pages project. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

While it hasn't been implemented on (English) Wikipedia, I know of other wikis that use the Structured Discussions extension. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 14:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Submitting an article to be reviewed

Hi, I just created this article and submitted it to be reviewed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagath_Gunawardana But it gave 2 warning signs that said, submit a draft and also an article already exists under this name so make sure it's not a copy. I moved the article to draft so the first warning was solved but the second warning is still up. I'm a bit confused, would appreciate your input on how to successfully submit this to be reviewed to be published. Thank you. Oceanic812 (talk) 14:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Oceanic812, you have not moved the article Jagath Gunawardana into draftspace; Draft:Jagath Gunawardana only has a "submitted for review" template on it. I'm not seeing any article message boxes on the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 15:01, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Oh, can I please know how to move it to drafts and remove the "existing article"? I was wondering why it didn't start as a draft itself when I created the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Oceanic812 (talk • contribs) 15:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Oceanic812: Tag the draft for G6 speedy deletion as a page holding up a page move, and then an admin will delete it for you. Then, you can move the page from article to draft as you are autoconfirmed. Either that or file a request at WP:RM/T asking that either an administrator or a page mover can move it to draftspace for you. Thank you! JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 15:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Difference between A11 (obviously made up) and G3 (blatant hoaxes)

Second question today, when should you tag an obviously false article for A11 deletion, and when should you tag it for G3 deletion? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 15:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi again JJPMaster. After I drafted CSD A11, and proposed its addition, we clarified the difference you're asking about in this footnote to the criterion (per this discussion): "Unlike a hoax, subject to deletion as vandalism under CSD G3 as a bad faith attempt to deceive, CSD A11 is for topics that were or may have been actually created and are real, but have no notice or significance except among a small group of people, e.g. a newly invented drinking game or new word." Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, it showed in my profile that the company profile was not updated, so I submitted but now it is telling me that it is not acceptable... can you please explain why? Thanks!

Filmblanc (talk) 16:50, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Filmblanc: I’m not seeing anything in your edit history that matches what you’re referring to. Can you provide a link and more specific info? TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:59, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

They may be referring to the userpage they created. It was not appropriate for wikipedia and I nominated it for deletion, and it has been deleted as U5. User has now been blocked for appearing to be here for promotional purposes only and having a username which is promotional and implies shared use. Agent00x (talk) 17:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

What is the purpose of the file mover user right?

Why is it that only administrators and file movers can move files, but autoconfirmed users and page movers cannot? Is there a specific reason why the file mover right is so restricted? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 15:09, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi JJPMaster I haven't read the whole discussion for adding it, so I can't summarize it, but I've read enough to know that people were talking about various aspects of the rationale for making it a requestable right, rather than just adding it in a way so that all had access. See Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 69#Transferring over "filemover" tool. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:27, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@JJPMaster, I was under the impression it was already comprehensively detailed at WP:FMR. Celestina007 (talk) 17:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: That page seems to be a cipher on the issue, stating the conclusion – none of the reasons for the conclusion.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit, you are right. I’m merely answering the question he began the thread with. Celestina007 (talk) 18:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

asmar_xp____

Asmar xp (talk) 01:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Asmar xp, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

If this is a request that we write an article about you, please consider the Wikipedia for Arabic firstly, and, in any case, read up on WP:Notability.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Asmar xp--Quisqualis (talk) 18:41, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Is Weebly allowed to be cited?

Greetings, I was reading up on the Taj Mahal and found that a weebly site was used as a reference. Can't anybody make a weebly site? Is it a reputable source? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_Mahal#CITEREFThetajindia.weebly.com I am asking it here because I am unsure. Thank you for your input. Stapmoshun (talk) 19:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Stapmoshun. Weebly, as a hosting service through which any random person can post content (and here, apparently exactly that: some random person's posting, rather than a known subject matter expert using the Weebly service) is an improper source – see Wikipedia:Reliable sources#User-generated content (shortcuts: WP:USERGENERATED; WP:UGC). I suggest specifically linking to that section of policy in the edit summary upon any edit addressing the issue, and that you look for and, if possible, replace it with a better source, rather than simply removing it. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Article deleted & need to know why

Why was my article deleted? Munyal 12 (talk) 22:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Munyal 12, your deleted list article did not demonstrate the notability of Cartoon police groups. You did research and compiled the list, but articles are based on material which has already been disseminated in reliable sources. We call what you have written WP:Fancruft, and it is unfortunately not appropriate for a serious encyclopedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I need help

HOW DO I START A NEW PAGE I need to know how to start a new page if you could explain how to do this it would be greatly appreciated CreateYTforYT72069420 (talk) 00:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@CreateYTforYT72069420: Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating an article is quite a hard task, but please consider reading H:YFA for information on how to create an article. However, as you are not autoconfirmed, you are unable to create articles directly, unfortunately. You must create a draft of the article and put it through the Articles for creation process, and an impartial reviewer will review your article for you. Thank you, and enjoy your stay! JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 00:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

How to request target change for Refund scam redirect

Hi there! I'm not exactly new around here, but I haven't exactly mastered WP either, so I've come to ask a question that I couldn't find an answer for anywhere else (I probably missed something, but that's why I'm here!)

Currently, Refund scam redirects to Refund theft. I am currently working on the article for Overpayment scams, one prominent variant of which is commonly called a "refund scam." I believe this is primary for refund scam (based on Google search and how I've heard it used), but I could be wrong about that. So I have a couple of options:

Change the redirect for Refund scam to Overpayment scam or Overpayment scam#Online refund scam
Change the redirect for Refund scam to a dab page with both articles listed

I was thinking that a requested page move might be the right way to seek consensus for this change, but what tripped me up was where to put the request (on the talk page for the target article or the page for the redirect itself) -- or this could be wrong entirely. What I want to know is whether these changes are necessary in the first place, and if yes, how to determine consensus which one would be more appropriate and how/where to request it. Thanks a lot! (Please ping when replying) Qtaa (talk) 01:21, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Qtaa, this is an interesting case. From what I understand, "refund scam" could mean either:

returning refund-ineligible items for money (current link)
a variation of a technical support scam (proposed redirect)

It seems that the second one has the "online" qualifier attached to it, so adding a hatnote to Refund theft that points to Overpayment scam#Online refund scam is also a choice, and it would also eliminate the need for a disambiguation page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 02:19, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a lot. I think I'll go with a hatnote then figure it out later if it becomes an issue. Qtaa (talk) 02:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Does this vandalism warrant page protection?

Hi there. Today, I requested page protection for Aaj Tak and Zee News at WP:RFPP (I requested that either PCP or SP should be applied. I can't add the link to my report for some reason, but you can see the request at the second section in the page after CLCStudent's edit right before the bot archived the report at 14:12 today). However, it was declined by an admin named ScottyWong, who said that the back and forth editing was a content dispute and not vandalism.

I completely disagree with ScottyWong's assessment of the edit history. As can be seen from the edit history since 1 December, 4 different new users (a mix of IPs and registered users) added unsourced ALLCAPS semi-Inglis text that either directly or indirectly says that the subjects of the articles are blindly supporting a certain political party and dishonestly reporting political news. While even I personally agree with those editors to some extent, the language they use in their edits and the lack of citations means that those edits are vandalism. Hence, I had requested page protection.

Do these pages need any protection or am I misunderstanding Wikipedia's policies? And if protection is needed, can an admin protect the pages? 45.251.33.14 (talk) 16:25, 17 December 2020 (UTC) Last rephrased at 16:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Not providing citations is not vandalism. I suggest you follow the guidance at WP:DR to resolve the dispute. RudolfRed (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

While not providing citations is not vandalism, surely adding clearly false non-encyclopedic text will count as vandalism? A simple Google search will show that none of the edits can be cited (the only thing any reliable source says is that the two aforementioned news companies tend to support the BJP). Many of these edits are saying "xyz is owned by BJP" or "xyz IS GODI MEDIA" (if I understand correctly, "Godi media" is a nonsensical term for any news company that blindly supports Narendra Modi). 45.251.33.14 (talk) 02:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, could you please help explain whether these pages need some sort of protection? I've noticed that you've helped solve some of my past queries here so I believe that you can clearly explain to me why protection is needed in this case or why it isn't needed. 45.251.33.14 (talk) 03:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Can someone have a look at this post? Aaj Tak has been vandalised at least 5 times since I asked this question, and Zee News was vandalised once since I asked this question. 45.251.33.14 (talk) 03:07, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Revising Nicole Kim Donesa's Page: Nicole Kim Donesa

The Page of Nicole Kim Donesa's Page is a mess, I keep revising the page to clean excessive info box but someone keeps reverting it. Why is that? Hosumyng123 (talk) 00:41, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hosumyng123, you need to write more and edit less. Your edit summaries are inadequate and you've been well-warned about disruptive editing. Consider the Talk page before you revert repeatedly. The other editor is not good on edit summaries, either, making an edit war more likely. Try to work it out like gentlemen.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Is there any other way to clean the excessive info box on that page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hosumyng123 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Hosumyng123. I think the reason you were having problems was because you weren't leaving an WP:EDITSUMMARY for your edits. When you don't leave an edit summary explaining why you made a change, then other editors may not understand why the change was needed and they might simply just revert out of habit without actually looking at the edit itself. In addition, edits without edit summaries, particularly ones made by relatively new accounts, are often flagged for review either by a WP:BOT or by WP:RCP. Another problem was that you went back and reverted the revert also without leaving an edit summary; this again tends to be a red flag in that other editors might mistake this for WP:EDITWARring on your part. Finally, you marked your second edit (the revert of a revert) as a minor edit when it probably really wasn't and the combination of that and no edit summary probably was mistaken by others as "possible disruption". Anyway, even for the most obvious changes to an article, it's generally a really good idea to leave an edit summary explaining why. FWIW, I kind of understand what you meant above by "excessive infobox" so I've gone ahead and restored your edit; however, if someone comes along and disagrees with this change and reverts back, then you and they should try and resolve things through discussion on the article's talk page. That's how such disagreements are typically best resolved on Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly. Thanks for responding and reverting it back. I'm kind of new here so I still have to learn so many things here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hosumyng123 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Simultaneous editing

what happens when 2 people edited an article differently on the same time? Anonymous Cuber (talk) 04:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Anonymous Cuber. What you're describing is commonly know as an "edit conflict". You can find out a bit more about what happens at WP:EDITCONFLICT. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:26, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Improvements on draft for Scooby-Doo! The Sword and the Scoob

I would like some advice on how to improve the draft for Scooby-Doo! The Sword and the Scoob, if you please. Are there any suggestions for advice on how to improve the draft? -- LegalizeAnythingMuppets (talk) 22:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC) LegalizeAnythingMuppets (talk) 22:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@LegalizeAnythingMuppets: You need to add more sources that will show the upcoming film is notable. Check out the guidance at Wikipedia:Notability_(films)#Future_films,_incomplete_films,_and_undistributed_films. It is possible that it is just WP:TOOSOON for an article on this topic. RudolfRed (talk) 22:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I see. Well, thanks a lot. -- LegalizeAnythingMuppets (talk) 04:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Adding sound file to my wikipedia page on Erechthis levyi

hello, I am building a wikipedia page for an insect and want to include a recording of the sounds it makes. I want to upload an mp3 file but have not been given permission to do so. How do I request permission from Wikipedia? Cheers. Bahamas Bug Guy (talk) 20:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Bahamas Bug Guy, while you have made over 10 edits, your account is not four days old to be considered autoconfirmed. You can make a request at Files for upload or upload it through Wikimedia Commons. If you do the latter, I suggest using the Upload Wizard. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 20:27, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bahamas Bug Guy. The rules on media are quite complicated, because of copyright. If you made the recording yourself, or for some other reason own the copyright, then you can (and should) upload it to Wikimedia Commons, which you can do right away. If you do not own the copyright, in the recording, then it can be used only if the copyright owner has explicitly licensed it suitably: see donating copyright materials. --ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Bahamas Bug Guy: Welcome to the Teahouse. I presume the audio file is one that you created yourself, and therefore don't need permission from anyone else to upload it? If so, you will still need to convert it to either midi or ogg format, as mp3 files are not accepted on Commons because of licencing issue around the encoding used. I normally use a site like zamzar.com to convert files for free. Further info here. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:19, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Bahamas Bug Guy. A couple of things. First, we as editors don't really "own" our edits as explained in Wikipedia:Ownership of content; so, even when we create a new article from scratch, it's not really "our page" per se. A minor point perhaps, but if you start referring to pages that you create as "my page", you might find yourself having problems with other editors. As for the actual file you want to upload, in addition to the copyright issues related above, there might also be contextual issues at well. Thus, this might be a good thing to ask about at Wikipedia:WikiProject Insects to see what some of the members of that Wikipedia project think. Maybe there's been previous discussion at the WikiProject level about adding audio files to articles about insects and a consensus was reached regarding their use. It's probably OK, but it might be better to check with the WikiProject first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:07, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Finding new topics to write about

Contributing. Finding fresh topics and how to know if there is interest or not, or the topic has been over written about. SeriousTalkTalk6077 (talk) 03:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi SeriousTalkTalk6077. Try taking a look at WP:CONTRIBUTE for some ideas on how one can contribute to Wikipedia. There are many different ways to contribute that don't actually involve creating a new article. If you want some ideas on possible subjects for articles, try looking at Wikipedia:Requested articles for some possibilities or perhaps try joining a Wikipedia:WikiProject about a subject in which you're interested. Some WikiProjects have "to do" lists about articles the project's members think should be created or need to be improved. For what it's worth, though, writing a new article from scratch can be a pretty hard thing to do when you're a new (newish) editor who's not too familiar with Wikipedia and its various policies and guidelines; so, some editors find it much easier and just a rewarding to try and find an existing article and figure out ways that it can be improved. Even if all you do is spend a bit of time looking for spelling or grammar mistakes to fix, you'll still be doing a really good thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

SeriousTalkTalk6077, you could spend many years writing biographies of state and provincial legislators of the 19th century, or articles about hit songs of 100 years ago. There are countless paintings and sculptures of the past 500 years that have been described extensively by art historians, but lack Wikipedia articles. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:17, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Help with publishing first article

Hi, I wrote an article on Robert Pearce Elworthy back in February and tried to submit draft. Tried again more recently, but there's nothing in my history to show anything except writing and editing, and have had no feedback on whether it's accepted or declined. I have tried to move from sandbox to drafts as one prompt says, but it says I'm blocked from editing (no idea why). Also, when I went onto the live chat it seemed to think I was JadeStork67 when in fact I am Philip Clarkson Webb, and am logged in as that. Does anyone have any advice? Philip Clarkson Webb (talk) 09:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

The live chat is thru Internet Relay Chat, and does not use your Wikipedia account (as it has no way to tell if you're logged into Wikipedia or even if you HAVE a Wikipedia account). The block is because your account cannot move pages (too few edits). Your draft is presently submitted for review. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 09:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Your draft is at User:Philip Clarkson Webb/sandbox. History shows it was created in February, but not submitted for review until 19 December. Reviewing at AfC can take place in days to several months, as there are >3,000 drafts waiting, and the process is not a queue. David notMD (talk) 11:13, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

And moved to Draft:Robert Pearce Elworthy. David notMD (talk) 11:22, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

The draft states that Michael Clarkson Webb was one of Robert Elworthy’s grandsons. Given your User name, a connection is evident. This does not preclude you from creating this article, but on your User page you should in a simple sentence explain your connection to Robert Pearce Elworthy. David notMD (talk) 11:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Note: Draft has been accepted and moved to article space at Robert Pearce Elworthy. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Editing question

Can you edit a article even if it not needed? There's a tag explaining the problems with a article and says that it needs to edited. What is it is not there? Can you still edit it? Anonymous Cuber (talk) 06:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

There's a tag saying that an article needs editing. What if it not there? Can you still edit it? Anonymous Cuber (talk) 06:21, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Anonymous Cuber. Wikipedia has over six million articles and pretty much all of them can be improved in some way as explained in WP:IMPERFECT; so, if you come across an article that you think you can improve, then feel free to be WP:BOLD and do so. However, please try to keep in mind that Wikipedia defines an improvement as an edit that is in accordance with some relevant policy or guideline. Wikipedia has many policies and guidelines and there's not always complete agreement among editors on what an "improvement" might be; so, if you're BOLD and you notice later on that another editor has WP:REVERTed (either completely or partially) the changes you made, then the best thing to do most of the time is to follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and discuss things on the article's talk page. It might turn out that you were right to make the change, but there's also a chance that you weren't. By discussing things, you can work out what is what and figure out whether there's a WP:CONSENSUS either. If, on the other hand, the changes you want to make are pretty major ones, then it might be better to be WP:CAUTIOUS instead and propose them first on the article's talk page. It can sometimes be a good a deal to get input from others particularly if the change is one that has a good chance of being challenged by others.

As for your other question, those "tags" are called "maintenance templates" and they are added by editors to articles when someone thinks the article has problems that need attention. However, as I stated above, pretty much all articles can be improved in some way; so, you can pretty much edit any article, ones without maintenance templates, if you think you can improve it in some way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Would like to improve my page

Please help me out in improving page quality.

here is the page link Flixoye (talk) 06:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Flixoye, where. Gerald WL 07:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Flixoye I assume you mean Draft:Gadiyara. A film that has no significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject will not be accepted. Please carefully read Wikipedia:Notability (films).--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flixoye (talk • contribs) 07:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Template:16TeamBracket-Compact-Tennis7

Hi, I am adding Template:16TeamBracket-Compact-Tennis7 in a future draft. How do I add the names of the people who competed in this tournament? Hayta= 14:01, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, D4135t~enwiki. If you look at Template:16TeamBracket-Compact-Tennis7, it tells you the names of the parameters. There doesn't seem to be any explanatory text, but the names see pretty self-explanatory. Also, you could look at the source of an article which uses the template, to see how that is used. --ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, I looked at the source, I entered the names of the fields, and it said it didn't exist. I have typed the fields correctly. What happened? Hayta= 15:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I can't see an edit in your history where you applied the template, so I suppose you abandoned the attempt. But withoutwhat happened, how can anybody possibly diagnose the problem? --ColinFine (talk) 17:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@D4135t~enwiki: If you save your code then we can see what is wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

sources

What is an acceptable source? Can you give some examples? ElkeRijkx84 (talk) 07:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi ElkeRijkx84. You can find out more about this in Wikipedia:Reliable sources and see some examples in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, but generally a source which is considered to have an established reputation of editorial control is the kind of source that Wikipedia tends to prefer. So, major newspapers or other publications, book printed by established publishers, online content provided by established media organizations or other organization recognized as being reliable, etc. or often the kind of sources you'll find cited in Wikipedia articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Archive tag.

Hello, can anyone help me place an archive tag on first archive page? The template that I found links to an uncreated talk page and not my actual talk page. The link for the archive is here, much appreciated.SenatorLEVI (talk) 11:38, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello SenatorLEVI, and welcome to the Teahouse! It seems you may have been misled. User talk pages belong in the user talk namespace (i.e. User talk:Giraffer). You created your archive in the talk namespace (i.e. Talk:Wikipedia). The talk namespace is mean to be for talk pages of articles, not users. It really should be called article talk, but we just call it talk. Confusingly, talk can also refer to talk page namespaces in general, of which there are many more than user talk & talk (i.e. Wikipedia talk). So if someone says 'talk', it is the talk page of whatever they are talking about (user = user talk, article = talk, wikipedia (such as this page) = wikipedia talk, template = template talk).

Anyhow, I have moved your archive into the user talk namespace, and did some maintenance work to clean it up. The location of your new archive page is User talk:SenatorLEVI/Archive 1 (2020), like everyone else's (User talk:Giraffer/Archive 1). You seem to have found a template to use, so you can use that. I hope this helps. Giraffer ^munch 12:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi SenatorLEVI. You archived to Talk:SenatorLEVI/Archive 1 (2020) which is an archive page for articles. Your archives should be subpages of User talk:SenatorLEVI. The archive has been moved to User talk:SenatorLEVI/Archive 1 (2020). If you want to use existing tools then I suggest you choose either User talk:SenatorLEVI/Archive 1 or User talk:SenatorLEVI/Archives/2020, not a combined name with both number and year. You didn't say which template you wanted to use. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Giraffer, thank you for helping me. And I appreciate adding the correct tag.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter, I'll make sure to use that from now on.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy editing. Giraffer ^{(Merry·Christmas)} 09:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

You too, Merry Christmas.SenatorLEVI (talk) 09:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Citing YouTube videos

Where to find guidelines about citing YouTube videos as sources? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 05:20, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Harshrathod50, you might be looking for WP:YOUTUBE or WP:VIDEOLINK? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 05:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

My question was in context with "Cyber Hunter". There is a badly written section: In Popular Culture in this article based just on a single YouTube video as a source. How can a single video-games streamer talking about this game make it popular in culture? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 05:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Harshrathod50. You make a good point so I've gone ahead a removed that section as being WP:UNDUE. Perhaps that was a bit extreme and someone will re-add, but it would seem that such a section should not really be about one particular YouTuber, but perhaps about other ways in which the game has permeated popular culture supported by citations to reliable sources. That particular section was just added the other day by a new account who probably meant well, but might not be too familiar with Wikipedia various policies and guidelines. Perhaps you should try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games for feedback if you want to somehow try and reincorporate that section back into the article. The members of that WikiProject might be able to suggest a good way to do so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Marchjuly, I needed a legit argument to remove that section so the editor who added it won't feel salty. Your argument fits well. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 10:19, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

SATURN

2600:1700:82F0:86A0:F079:9D56:10C3:29DF (talk) 11:49, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello 2600:1700:82F0:86A0:F079:9D56:10C3:29DF and Welcoem to the Teahouse. The folks over here answer questions about using or editing Wikipedia. If you want to find out more about something called "Saturn", perhaps look into our disambiguation page for things called "SATURN" here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Confusing redirection

Want to create an article on a noted musician. But when I do "en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/", it redirects me to an article of a band, in which the musician is a member. Suggest me how can I solve this ?and how I can create a separate article on the musician?

Thanks. NinadMysuru (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@NinadMysuru: Looks like the person's entry has been redirected to the bands page. This is usally done on two occasions, 1) if no one has written an article yet as a temporary measure or 2) if the musican fails WP:NMUSIC but the band does not. In the first case, you can certainly create an article there, while in the second case, things are more complicated. Do you have a particular musican in mind? Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi NinadMysuru. Without knowing more specific details it’s hard to give you a specific answer, but often in cases like this when a band member is WP:REDIRECTed to an article about a band it’s because the member is not considered Wikipedia notable in their own right to justify that a stand-alone article be written about them. In some cases an article about the member might’ve have once existed, but it was deleted or redirected by a WP:CONSENSUS of the Wikipedia community. If you can provide the name of the redirected page, one of the Teahouse hosts might be able to figure out what happened and why, and thus be better able to answer your question. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

The best way is to create a new article is through the WP:AfC process. If the musician is now independently notable so an article is justified, the current re-direct on the musician will be changed so that the new article is the target for the name. For the moment, you don't really need to worry about it. Compare The Beatles and Paul McCartney Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks all of you for replying. @Marchjuly: @Victor Schmidt:, the band page is Swarathma and the musician is Vasu Dixit. He is greatly notable as an independent artist with his compositions, songs and lyrics and his theatrical experiments. I request, to suggest me a way to get a separate article. Thanks a lot.— Preceding unsigned comment added by NinadMysuru (talk • contribs)

@NinadMysuru: You got lucky here. As evident from the page history or Vasu Dixit, it started as a redirect in 2018 and has not been changed since. So you can simply folow WP:YFA and prepear a draft to submit to WP:AfC. The folks there will then take care of the redirect once the draft is finished. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: sir, thanks for your time. I have created nearly 25 articles in mainspace directly, and 23 of them were reviewed and got published. Should I again go to WP:AfC? Is there no other way than that ?— Preceding unsigned comment added by NinadMysuru (talk • contribs)

@NinadMysuru: Certainly. You can always Edit Vasu Dixit and replace the redirect code with something else (hopefully your article). This approach is only siutable if you manage to write a sufficently startup article on the first few minutes. I have seen many more experienced editors that prepear articles as a userspace draft and later move the article to its final title. You can get the redirect out of the way by tagging the redirect with {{db-move|Your drafts full title}}. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt:, thanks a lot sir. Will come to you again if I get stranded anywhere. Thanks sir.

Draft:Inigo Irudayaraj

Draft:Inigo Irudayaraj

need help in create a page for my client.

Iam new to wiki page and i need help in creating an article for my client and my article is getting rejected please help on the same Kogniticsindia (talk) 04:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kogniticsindia. The first thing you should do is read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, in particular the part about "Paid editing". Since you've referred to the person who want to create an article about as your "client", Wikipedia is going to assume from the start that you've got some kind of personal or professional connection to him. The next things you probably should look at are Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing because lots of people trying to create articles misunderstand some pretty important stuff about Wikipedia and what a Wikipedia article is actually intended to be. Once you've looked at those pages, take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (people) because if you're unable to establish that the person you want to write an article about satisfies Wikipedia's definition of notability, it's going to quite hard for any article created about him to avoid deletion no matter how well it's written. Finally, please also take a look at Wikipedia:Username policy#Promotional names since your choice of username seems (at least at first glance) to be something that's not really allowed. If this is not a problem, don't worry about it; however, if it is a problem, you should try and fix it asap to avoid being WP:SOFTBLOCKed by an administrator for a username violation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:47, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Kogniticsindia. As explained above, you must comply with WP:PAID before any other editing, and that is not negotiable. You ought to change your bulk references into individual inline citations. Please read Referencing for beginners for instructions. Be sure that your prose complies with the neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kogniticsindia. I am afraid that you and your client have fallen victim to the widespread mistaken belief that Wikipedia is in any way a vehicle for promotion or publicity. It is not, and writing an article for the benefit of its subject is a misuse of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. --ColinFine (talk) 13:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia.org

Is www.wikipedia.org fake? I am really suspicious because this might be a scam Anonymous Cuber (talk) 13:38, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Anonymous Cuber: Nope, its the central homepage for all Wikipedia languages. Attempting to access any wiki-like-subpage (e.g. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example end up on the english Wikipedia though, no matter who requests them. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Oh ok Thank you so much - Anonymous Cuber}

Wikiquette for combining table years in filmographies

A bit more of a simple editing question here - is it polite etiquette to not combine table years in filmographies and other similar things? A common example is an actor has been featured in two different movies in 2000. I thought it might break up a table a bit more, or perhaps consistency is preferred on smaller tables. Maybe it's a personal preference thing instead, which in that case I'm just looking for opinions in any capacity. RadiganSupreme (talk) 19:19, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi RadiganSupreme, welcome to the Teahouse. It's customary to use rowspan to combine cells with the same year like in John Travolta filmography. I'm not a fan of doing it when rows are not in chronological order but unrelated consecutive rows happen to have the same year like in List of highest-grossing superhero films#Highest-grossing superhero films. I think it can give a misleading impression that the films are connected. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the response, PrimeHunter. So it depends on context - lists such as highest grossing films are only connected through the amount of money they made, not anything else like similar franchise. But endeavours done by a person or a company, such as Travolta, means an obvious connection and recurring actor in those movies. Appreciate the clarification. RadiganSupreme (talk) 15:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

how to publish

Hi, I am new on wikipedia. For a while now I have been trying to write an article, but I am unable to publish it. It will not be published online. The article is already available in my sandbox. What I'm doing wrong? ElkeRijkx84 (talk) 12:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC) ElkeRijkx84 (talk) 12:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

And also in your Draftspace at Draft:Munatix, @ElkeRijkx84, Right here shows the article being declined when you first submitted it via the AFC process under a different account. I mean it’s fairly obvious you run both accounts. If you decide to manually move it to mainspace it would be an effort in futility as it would be nominated for deletion, address the notability concerns first after which you read both WP:COI & WP:PAID before thinking of submitting or publishing the article.Celestina007 (talk) 13:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Thank you for your replay. That is right, I also have another account (Elke6784, the Netherlands Wikipedia). The article must be made in the English version. I didn' knew how to change it, so I made an other account in the English version of Wikipedia. So, you think I have to publish the article in the first account? But it has to be made in the English one. What can I do to delete the first account? So I can work only from this account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1810:C436:9000:14DF:5057:94CF:38D3 (talk) 13:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Unless you have a good reason, you should only have one account (editing while logged out is also frowned upon in this case). Why does the article need to be made in the English version? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 14:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ElkeRijkx84 . First, about the accounts: Most accounts are global, so once you have created one in one edition of Wikipedia, you can use the same account in any other edition. It is permitted to use more than one account as long as you don't use it in forbidden ways (see multiple accounts) but it would be easiest if you simply stick to one of your accounts and abandon the other. If you like, you could put a message on the User page of the other explaining that you are no longer user it, and give the name of the account you are using, though you don't have to.

As to the draft: the fact that you say that "the article must be made in the English version", makes me think that, like most people who come to Wikipedia and immediately start trying to make an article about a band, you have a connection with the band and are here to promote it. If you have any connection with the band, please read about editing with a conflict of interest|. In any case, please study your first article, and understand that Wikipedia is not for promotion. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. Also non-neutral language like "Ricky is at heart a gifted guitar player with a love for Jimi Hendrix. Together they color their music" is not acceptable in any Wikipedia article, unless somebody wholly unconnected with the subject has said precisely that, and they are being explicitly quoted in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 14:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

The attantion is to continue with one account. I don't have a user page to put a massage on it. I hope it works when I just leave the other account.

About knowing them: I listen to them on Spotify. And that sentence is taken from there biography written in blog articles. I can try to make that clear. Thank you for your help.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:1810:c436:9000:84fe:2e81:ef6b:5369 (talk) 15:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Blogs not considered reliable source references for English Wikipedia. And you do have a user page User:ElkeRijkx84.

It appears red because you have not added any content. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@ David notMD: If blogs are not considered reliable source references, what is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElkeRijkx84 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

ElkeRijkx84: generally self-published sources such as blogs are not regarded as reliable. Blogs by the subject of an article may be regarded as reliable, but they are primary sources, and so usable in very limited ways. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. Please see Verifiability for more. --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

ElkeRijkx84 - please remember to log in, because some of your comments have been as from an IP address (not logged in) and some from ElkeRijkx84. Also, 'sign' your comments while logged in by typing four of ~ at the end. To add to ColinFine's point, interviews with people are not useful for establishing notability. Ditto press releases. Look for sources independent from the topic. David notMD (talk) 15:17, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Weasel words

On the Page "Dravidian Languages", the very beginning sentence states "more than 215 million people" speak the language, which is a weasel phrase. After some searching, I found the exact number to be 222 million, so I typed this in. However, Wikipedia changed my edit back because it didn't fit "verifiability rules". Can someone explain what was wrong?

Calicopenguin1112 (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC) Calicopenguin1112 (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Calicopenguin1112. As the editor who reverted your entry said in their edit summary, the source currently quoted (Encyclopaedia Britannica) uses exactly those "weasel" words. If you want to change this to 222 million, you need simultaneously to add your new reliable source for that number. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:21, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Requesting Deleted Article To Be Created

I tried searching Nigerian singer Kaptain Kush, discovered it was deleted due to G5, I requested it should be recreated using the request article procedure. I want to know if this was the right thing to do as I am very much still studying Wikipedia policies and I'm not done and I haven't perfected the way articles are created or edited here. BadEdithor (talk) 08:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

BadEdithor, I would suggest filing a request at WP:Requests for undeletion, where you will be directly able to work on the last version of the article before it was deleted. Giraffer ^munch 08:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm not too familiar with Wikipedia terms as I am still studying them, so I'm only asking anyone who's good at it can assist, I have sources that I think would make it stand as an article here too if I'm to go with the musical criteria or GNG of Wikipedia BadEdithor (talk) 09:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

BadEdithor, I'm confused... do you want to know if you did the right thing or would you like help writing the article? (both are available here) Regards, Giraffer ^munch 09:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm asking if it can be undeleted,then any author who is good at editing on wikipedia assist in editing it to meet wikipedia terms BadEdithor (talk) 09:36, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Aparently this is about Kaptain Kush. I am not an admin and therefore cannot see how "bad" it was. Could some of the admin folks here have a look? That being said, speedy deletions under WP:G5 go to WP:DRV, not WP:Requests for undeletion. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

If Kaptain Kush is restored, BadEdithor has been asked on Talk page to declare paid on User page before doing any editing. David notMD (talk) 11:11, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Given the history of this page (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kolapoimam/Archive and WP:UPE), any request to recreate or undelete it should be summarily refused. MER-C 11:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Giraffer, David notMD, @MER-C, I learnt the subject of that article has been soliciting for a Wikipedia article since forever. He has been contracting out editors to create the article on his behalf. I can state without an iota of doubt that @BadEdithor is really what his username suggests. They have been here for 20 hours only & suddenly want to re-create an article that has been created & deleted twice by covert UPE’s and socks. I mean What are the odds that this is a mere coincidence? I stand with MER-C on this one. I would even suggest the page be salted with an administrators only access. It’s Christmas and Nigerian UPE/UPE editors world wide are looking to make a quick $ to enjoy the festive period. Celestina007 (talk) 12:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I simply go down the list of Teahouse questions and answer them, regardless of the experience of the questioner or lack thereof. In this context, their UPE status is irrelevant, so I answered their question, but they should certainly be reported for UPE nonetheless. (My apologies for not doing so.) Giraffer ^{(Merry·Christmas)} 13:59, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Add that BadEdithor's very first edit was a highly detailed article creation request at Wikipedia:Requested articles/music/Performers, bands and songwriters minimally suggests past editing expertise under a different name, COI and probably UPE. David notMD (talk) 14:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I admitted in my talk page to knowing the subject "management" but not in anyway been compensated or going to be compensated, if I'm doing this wrongly, I hope I get 'put through'/help and if what the admins and authors decide is against a new editor which is me, who am I to contest it? But I wish to be led right, reason why I asked questions where it is necessary to avoid any circumstance, or maybe I'm asking the wrong questions too, at least I can be corrected too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BadEdithor (talk • contribs) 15:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

What applies then is WP:COI, meaning that on your User page, not just your Talk page, describe the nature of your connection to Kaptain Kush. This may not help, as the multitude of efforts to create such an article may have poisoned the well. Specifically, you are asking to undelete a draft that was submitted by a sockpuppet of a blocked editor. Better to start over. Be aware that several editors - me included - suspect you of being undeclared paid despite your protests to the contrary. David notMD (talk) 16:35, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Would posting about being connected to the subject management on my user and talk page and maybe start a draft for the subject help?

Also declaring that I'm not in anyway compensated? BadEdithor (talk) 16:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

BadEdithor, you repeatedly stated that you're not in any way asked to edit the article. Fine, let's assume that's the fact. Do you have a close connection with Kaptain though? Because if you do, WP:COI still counts. Gerald WL 17:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I wasn't asked to edit the article but I know the subject management. I felt since he has some veriable source as recommended by Wikipedia, then I should try it out, discovering that there was a banned user who created it prompted me to ask questions which led to this, if it's a wrong decision of me, I beg to pardoned and maybe I will try out other articles, I'm still very much avoiding editing articles for now since I'm still reading wikipedia terms, the article was supposed to be my first trial, reason why I asked questions immediately I saw the banned user notice, also I don't intend to edit the article directly since it has issues but suggests any edit through the article's talk page as stated on Wikipedia terms. BadEdithor (talk) 17:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@BadEdithor, honestly just stop. You aren’t talking to editors who were born last night, we literally have heard it all. You initially stated that this was your first time here but as stated above your very first edit made that claim improbable. The article in question has been salted so don’t bother any further you wouldn’t be able to recreate it in a very very long time. Celestina007 (talk) 17:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Apology If I'm getting anything wrong, just needed light to be shade, i have have learnt alot here through my short period here, I hope I'm permitted to ask questions when I have issues, if yes,

what does it mean when a page is salted?
Am allowed to make edit on Wikipedia with my little knowledge or rather suggest them in the articles' talk pages? BadEdithor (talk) 18:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Nothing prohibits you from editing other articles. Editors who are paid or have a COI are told to make specific suggestions on article Talk pages rather than edit directly. David notMD (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

SALTED: "Pages that have been creation-protected are sometimes referred to as "salted". Contributors wishing to re-create a salted title with appropriate content should either contact an administrator (preferably the protecting administrator), file a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for reduction in protection level, or use the deletion review process. To make a convincing case for re-creation, it is helpful to show a draft version of the intended article when filing a request." David notMD (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the feed back, my intention was to make suggestions till I'm fully familiar with Wikipedia policy, reason why I asked questions, but sadly, it led to an article being salted. Don't you think it should be reviewed since it was an author who wasn't aware of the issues on ground that suggested I request for undeletion which I did? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BadEdithor (talk • contribs) 19:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

What sort of question is that? BadEdithor, your disingenuous failure to comprehend this thread is no excuse, and, if you were, in fact, previously not involved with the article's creation, it has an egregious history, so our grudge is against the article. Nothing you may do will dispel that.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback, my apology. BadEdithor (talk) 23:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Your request for undeletion (20 Dec) was denied. Please make no more attempts on this topic. David notMD (talk) 15:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Is this a reliable source?

Is a page from another language of Wikipedia (I want to take it from the Italian Wikipedia) considered a reliable source? Like, not just the sources in it but the page itself? Vamsi20 (talk) 14:55, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes it is, sources from different languages can be considered as reliable sources. If you need more information you can go through this.SenatorLEVI (talk) 15:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: To clarify SenatorLEVI's response, you shouldn't use one Wikipedia article as a source for another Wikipedia article. Citing the Italian Wikipedia directly isn't okay, as we only rely on reliable secondary sources. However those sources don't necessarily have to be in English. If you're translating directly from the Italian article, you may use the same citations as the Italian article. If you can find sources in English, though, that may be preferable because it's easier for readers to verify. You can reply here if you have any further questions. Best, Qtaa (talk) 15:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

So I can use the citations in the Italian Wikipedia? Vamsi20 (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: you can, but it's worth noting that we may have different rules on proving page notability, which are probably a bit more strict. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Where to go?

How can I create my own Wikipedia Page? 82.23.96.73 (talk) 15:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous user. It depends exactly what you mean by "my own Wikipedia page", but the probable answer is "you can't". Wikipedia isn't like social media: it's an encyclopaedia, that contains neutrally written articles about notable subjects. If there has been substantial writing about you in reliable sources, by people completely unconnected with you, then we could have an article about you: you are stongly discouraged from writing it yourself, and when it is written, it will not belong to you, you will not control its contents, and it may say things that you don't want to to say about you, depending on what has been published about you elsewhere. --ColinFine (talk) 16:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Nicole Kim Donesa Undid revision 995499159 by Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) reverted birthdate

The editor keeps removing the birthdate of Nicole Donesa Hosumyng123 (talk) 14:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. As the editor stated in their edit summary, Wikipedia's policy for living people is not to reveal personal information such as birth dates, see WP:DOB unless the person is actually notable for having a particular birth date. Articles include at most, usually, a statement only about the month and year of birth if they have any information at all. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hosumyng123, To simplify Mike's words, if you don't have a good source that can justify the claims of the birthdate, it can be added. No source, no words. Gerald WL 14:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Someone who can help this page is being disrupted by other editors, I have cited the WP:RS https://www.gmanetwork.com/entertainment/celebritylife/relationship/64010/mark-herras-posts-heartfelt-video-greeting-for-nicole-donesas-26th-birthday/story : the other editors keep removing the birth date

I can't vouch for the reliability of your source but it need to be added to the article so as to back up the birth date. Don't engage in an edit war. If other editors keep reverting you after you have added the source, engage with them on the article's Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:26, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Are these reliable sources?

Hello, I submitted an article but it was declined due to lack of significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. I read Wikipedia's guidelines on "Notability (organizations and companies)" and I have some doubts regarding sources notability: - Is Financial Times a notable source? And does it change its notability if I mention a Financial Times annual list when talking in the article about information provided in that list? I'm confused if an "annual list" reduces a source notability - If the organization has won some important awards in the industry, what is more "notable"? Mentioning as source some national/international press making coverage about it, or mentioning as source the award webpage? I have troubles here identifying what would be more "independent"

Thanks in advance to all of you! Svmn (talk) 17:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Adsmurai — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • ^Talk∕_Contribs 17:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Svmn, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are three independent parts to a source being suitable for establishing notability: reliability, independence, and significant coverage. The FT is normally a reliable source; an item in the FT may or may not be independent of the subject (is it a review, an independent article, or a regurgitation of a press release?). But while appearance in a list may be adequate to source a claim that the subject has whatever property that list celebrates, it is not usually significant coverage, and so does not contribute to notabality. --ColinFine (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

One to one help to improve my work?

Hi all! I've created a page that has a lot of information on it. I've formatted it in a way that I thought worked, given the vast amount of data. However, I wondered if someone more experienced than I am (this is not hard, to be honest!) would mind taking a look at the page and having a quick 1-to-1 type conversation with me about where I could use a little more "finesse" in my style? I understand about referencing and things coming from an academic background, but there is a lot of year-based data in a page I made, and I suspect there might be a better way to handle it. However, I don't know - maybe there isn't! The page has been submitted and improved upon here and there over time, but is still in the queue (should I write the name here? Draft:Spidi?). If anyone can help me, I would really appreciate the feedback! Thanks! =) Anfornum (talk) 16:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Anfornum. After a quick look, I think that the main problem with the article isn't the lists but the fact that all but one of the references is from Spidi itself, so are primary sources that won't help establish notability for the company. Given how many bikers they seem to have sponsored, I should have thought you could find some secondary reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:43, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and I am prooobably going to make an error in the formatting in my reply here (first-timer syndrome)! I appreciate the feedback about the sources and I fully agree with you. I am sure I can do better with finding outside sources. I will take a look around and try to find more information (I'm sure there's more out there). How is the formatting, though? Is it appropriate for the content (for example, are the tables alright in terms of formatting)? Thanks! Anfornum (talk) 16:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

(Edit conflict, sorry if anything is repeated) Hello @Anfornum: and welcome to the teahouse! As per Michael, a quick look over the references sees that refs 1-3 and 5-6 are produced by the company Spidi itself. Since these are produced by the subject of the article they are considered primary sources. For me as an AFC reviewer to accept the article, you need to demonstrate that it meets the notability guidelines at WP:GNG or WP:NCORP through the use of multiple reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. I'd see if you can find more sources and won't decline the draft just yet.

Some sections, in particular the tables, will need a lot more references. Of the tables, only two rows have been given a reference, one of which is from the company itself.

The actual prose is written mostly in compliance with WP:NPOV, though it could do with a quick cleanup to remove links such as the one to your sandbox in the technology and products section and lines such as the opening in the same section which are slightly advert-like and could cause the submission to be declined.

In summary, the content of the article is good but it needs more reliable, secondary references before it can be accepted. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 16:56, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback! I am working on inmproving the sources right now. The main problem is that 99% of the information out there is on pages selling the products, which I don't consider reliable at all. I'm scouring reliable sources, though! Thank you both very much! =) Anfornum (talk) 17:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid that this is what happens when you build a house without checking whether it has any foundations, Anfornum. Writing an article starts with finding reliable independent sources. Any other approach will probably end up wasting work, and sometimes wasting all your work, if it turns out that there aren't sufficient independent sources to establish notability. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Spidi, Declined today, reasons given, and Anfornum has been asked on Talk page to clarify if in any way paid for this attempt to create an article. David notMD (talk) 18:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm just a fan, actually, which is why most of the links are from the actual company thus far. Thanks for letting me know. I'll continue to work on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anfornum (talk • contribs) 19:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

closing reference tag error removed but remains on the page

I changed a reference on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biz_Markie Biz Markie's page to make it backed up, but when I did so it created a reference error that says there was no closing tag. I checked it several times, but there was no error and I ran the error checked. I moved the reference to a higher up part of the article as it was important to note that Biz Markie’s condition is unknown. The reference works fine, but the error tag seems remain even after I deleted the reference that was lower on the page, and moved it to the higher part of the page. This is a real mystery. Ty78ejui (talk) 14:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC) Ty78ejui (talk) 14:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ty78ejui: Fixed it myself here. You had an extra ref tag that was confusing the parser. --Jayron 32 14:43, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

That is strange because I had removed the lower reference after it had that error and moved it to the top. So there should not have been any red error since there was no reference there anymore. However, the article is working great now. I added a new health up to the top and it all works perfectly. I wonder if the issue has to do with me editing from the section instead of from the main page, but I tried it both ways just to be sure and still that did not change anything. Ty78ejui (talk) 15:07, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ty78ejui: In [3] you duplicated the start of a reference, adding an extra <ref> without a matching </ref>. The ref tags were fixed later but not the content of the reference. I have done that now.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 16:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Oddly I had removed that entire reference after checking it many times and confirming the closing tags many times. The same reference is used twice once near the top and backed up and once near the bottom, but not backed up. I think it looks fine the way it is, but someone may wish to remove the same reference used twice which is not really an issue as far as I am concerned, as the same reference can be cited twice on the page. Since we don't know much about Biz's condition right now. I looked for more references but there are no more I can find. Ty78ejui (talk) 20:01, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Presumably a new topic

Md Nahid Islam96 (talk) 20:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Md Nahid Islam96, and welcome to the Teahouse. What is your question about editing Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 21:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft tag list

Is there a list of draft tags anywhere or a search function to help find the most suitable tags? I was looking for a tag specific to musical groups/artists for a draft I submitted a couple of days back - Draft:Pieces of a Man (band). The closest I could find were Music Genres, Music and Discographies.

Also any advice or admin review would be appreciated :) --Orangelight747 (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC) Orangelight747 (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Orangelight747:These tags are from WikiProjects. A list is available at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory, though it might not be up to date... Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:11, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: Thank you very helpful Orangelight747 (talk) 21:59, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

how can i change my own username?

Hello, could you help me learn how to change my own username? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick901 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Patrick901: You can make a request at WP:CHUN However, since you have only a few edits, it is probably simpler to just abandon this account and create a new one. RudolfRed (talk) 19:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed

@Patrick901: I have figured out exactly how to do it.P.S (talk) 19:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Because you are so new, and have not yet made any edits in the main article space, I think it's a waste of yours and another administrator's time for you to request a name change. I simply suggest you create a brand new user account, forget this one's password and never use it again. If you wished, you could make a link between the two to show the connection. The key advice is:

Users who have made very few edits are encouraged to register a new account and discard the old one. You can even copy your old watchlist to your new account.

Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC).

How can I see who added a particular citation?

Greetings, how can I find which user added a particular citation? I am looking for the user who added reference 36 on this article (the weebly citation) I tried clicking View History but there is too much to go through. Regards Stapmoshun (talk) 22:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Stapmoshun: I haven't tried it, but I understand that WP:WIKIBLAME is a tool that can be used for this purpose. RudolfRed (talk) 22:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I gave it a try. According to the tool, this is the edit that added that reference: [5] RudolfRed (talk) 22:55, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Stapmoshun: Yes, it was added back in February 2015, but I am surprised it has lasted so long. It seems like a homemade photo blog, so I would have been happy for it to have been removed and a 'citation needed' template added instead. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:06, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Stapmoshun: Maybe you should remove it, because it is still there. Just saying. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Mark Zuckerberg

FYI

– Heading added by Tenryuu.

IS MARK ZUKERBERG THE GRANSON OF ROCKERFELLA 2600:1002:B105:9A9A:643A:CD7C:6D3E:6152 (talk) 01:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're asking questions that are not about editing or using Wikipedia, you are going to want to ask at the reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 01:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Links and references in foreign language

Hello fellow wikipedians just a quick question as i have not find an answer: what is the policy for referencing sources in different languages? is it acceptable or shall we only ref to english content? thanks Victrue (talk) 19:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Victrue: Non-English Links and sources are permitted, but english sources are generally prefered. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

If the same information is in an English source and a non-English source, use the English one. But if there is information only in foreign language sources, then it is completely fine to use them, as long as they are reliable sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:54, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

To add to this, one should add the 'language' parameter to the citation if it's not in English. For example, adding '|language=Spanish' or '|language=es' if the source is in Spanish. If you're bilingual or can otherwise provide an accurate translation, a translated title can be a good idea as well. So for example, if the title of your source is 'Ejemplo', it might be preferable to add '|trans-title=Example'. This makes it so readers and editors who don't speak that language can at least understand what the source's title is conveying. Citations also have an option for a translated quote 'trans-quote', though it could bloat the citation if the quote is too long, so this might only be preferable if the quote is fairly short, e.g. a short sentence. I listed these parameters in decreasing order of importance from my experience. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 03:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Text at WP:NOENG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Renaming pages?

If I make a page and later want to change its name, how would I do that? Vista Valkyrie (talk) 03:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vista Valkyrie: Welcome to the Teahouse. On wikis, renames are done by moving pages to new titles. In general, users who are autoconfirmed (account at least 4 days old with at least 10 edits) can move pages. If you are having trouble moving pages, you can ask for assistance at Requested moves. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 04:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Sandbox clearing

Sandbox clearing
Hello. I have a question regarding my sandbox. Will what I write in my sandbox forever remain in my sandbox if I want it to? Or does my sandbox get cleared after 6 months if it has not been edited? Or does it get cleared at any instance at all? Just curious. Because you know, drafts get deleted after 6 months of inactivity, so I did not know about sandboxes. Thanks. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Paul Vaurie, I think technically if someone came across a draft in your personal sandbox that hadn't been edited for years, they'd be within their rights to nominate it for deletion, so I can't guarantee it'd stay forever, but in practice, I think material in your personal sandbox will get left alone. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: It depends on what is in your sandbox. It would not qualify for WP:G13 which is for stale drafts, but see WP:UPNOT for what is not allowed in your userspace files. RudolfRed (talk) 23:53, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: My take on sandbox deletion is not that the page itself can be deleted if it hasn't been edited for years, but that it may potentially be deleted if the editor themself has been inactive for many years. But I also agree that normally we would leave sandbox pages alone unless they breached some of our other policies (such as copyright violation, WP:BLP violation, attack pages, WP:NOTHERE-related content. If you don't want content to be viewable via the 'View History' tab, then simply deleting it yourself will not suffice. Instead, just place a user requests for deletion on it, and an admin will drop by and delete it for you. (You can always recreate it later, if you wish). See here for the template you need to add. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I have content (notes, etc.) that has been in my Sandbox for many years. I do periodic houseclearing. David notMD (talk) 04:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

question

So I have had a page written about an author rejected 3 times, and I just want to talk to the person doing the rejection and ask what he wants. He just keeps saying that there is no notability, but there seems to me that there is. Maybe it is not presented properly, but I am not sure how they want that done. His view of the author is different than mine and I am trying to be fair. Pieeternal257 (talk) 06:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pieeternal257. It seems like you're asking about Draft:Timothy Freke. If you look at the top of the draft you'll be able see the reviewers who declined it. So, if you want to discuss their reasons for declining the draft, then you can (1) post a message on their user talk page or (2) start a discussion at Draft:Timothy Freke and then WP:PING them to it. If you would like input from other AfC reviewers, you can ask for help at WP:AFCHELP. FWIW, the editor who declined the draft is named Robert McClenon. Robert is quite an experienced AfC reviewer so I don't think he's trying to make your life difficult for fun. Wikipedia notability can be a hard concept to get a good feel for when you're a fairly new editor who seems to be entirely focused on creating one specific article. I'm not seeing how the person you're trying to write about meets Wikipedia:Notability (people) because I'm not seeing what would be significant coverage about Freke in reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia here). -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Pieeternal257. You have received very detailed feedback about the many problems with your draft, and an article about this person has previously been deleted at WP:AFD. Any attempts to try to recreate an article about this person without dramatically better sourcing may be perceived as disruptive, and may lead to a block from editing. Why not work on other topics? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

User:Pieeternal257 - My main concern is that there was previously an article on Freke, and it was deleted in 2015 after a deletion discussion, and the reason why it was deleted is that he was found not to meet author notability. I haven't formed an opinion as to whether Freke is notable, and in this case I do not think that I am responsible for deciding his notability. That was already decided in 2015, that he is not notable. So I do not plan to accept a draft on Freke unless it is different than or better than the article that was deleted in 2015. So when I declined the draft on 1 December, I said to tell me, on the draft talk page, or in AFC comments, how Freke has become notable in the past five years. I also said not to make minor changes and resubmit the draft without discussion, because submitters often make minor changes and resubmit a draft without discussing it, but that wastes their time and that of the reviewers. So you made a minor change, adding a mention of a YouTube presentation by Freke in 2019, and resubmitted without discussion. That wastes your time and mine, and I had already said that I wanted an explanation of why this draft was better than the version that had been deleted. So now I have two questions. First, do you have a conflict of interest, or are you a fan of the author? Second, what part of the previous declines wasn't clear? Robert McClenon (talk) 07:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Using prize certificates as sources

Good day,hope you are well. I just wanted to find out if using prize certificates for competitions (some of which went defunct) would be acceptable as a source as the subject unfortunately has little internet coverage and the only verifiable sources are certificates they received from winning respective competitions. BBSP1720 (talk) 06:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

BBSP1720, it's hard to give you a firm answer without knowing the specific context. Generally, awards are not considered sufficient to demonstrate notability, so if all a subject has is awards, they probably cannot have a page on Wikipedia. On the other hand, if a subject is notable and there is a list of their awards, a reference to the award organization's website would be sufficient to support that (assuming the award is significant enough to warrant a mention on the page). {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible to use actual competition prize certificates as sources seeing that the subject doesn't have widespread internet coverage? How would one go about citing them as such without violating Wikipedia rules? BBSP1720 (talk) 07:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@BBSP1720: I've merged this to your question above, which I hopefully mostly answered. If the prize certificate is offline, you could still cite it per WP:Offline. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello BBSP1720. Simply winning a prize is not sufficient evidence of notability. Anybody can award a prize for anything. Is the prize itself notable? What makes a person notable is the coverage of the person in reliable independent sources. People who win a Pulitzer or a Nobel or an Oscar or a Presidential Medal of Freedom will always have such coverage after winning, and usually before. Minor awards? Not so much. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I would just like to add that citing a "actual prize certificate" would be like citing any other type of WP:PRIMARY source in that it would be highly limited as to how it could be used; moreover, uploading a copy/scan of the certificate to Commons or Wikipedia and trying to cite that would potentially be a problem per WP:COPY. It would simply be better to try and find WP:SECONDARY source which refers to the receiving of some prize or award and cite that. If it's not something covered in reliable secondary sources, then it's probably something not really worthy of being mentioned in a Wikipedia article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Edit request - Answer not given

Hi, I was reading the article about the Rubik's Cube, and in the mechanics section it says that this section needs further verification. So, like anyone, I wanted to edit it to fix the issue. But I couldn't because that page was protected. So, I had submitted an edit request over a hour ago and I still did not get any reply. Do this mean that they edit the article or is it normal that the reply comes late? Sorry if this a silly question. Anonymous Cuber (talk) 09:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Anonymous Cuber: welcome back. A couple of hours is no time at all. Keep in mind that Wikipedia editors are located in all time zones and are volunteers just like you. When you add an edit request template to the talk page, the talk page is listed in Category:Wikipedia semi-protected edit requests, and as you can see there are 40 such requests waiting, most of them from the last week but a few going back a few weeks. When somebody gets to your edit request, the template on the talk page will be updated to show it's been responded to (and there will be an actual response as well!) Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:11, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Referencing

How do I cite the same reference in multiple statements? For example if I've written two statements, instead of referencing the same source how can I re-direct them to the same reference?SenatorLEVI (talk) 08:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi SenatorLEVI. There are couple of ways to do such a thing, but probably the most common and easiest is WP:REFNAME. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you.SenatorLEVI (talk) 08:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@SenatorLEVI: Here's an expanded demo of what Marchjuly helpfully suggested:

To reuse a reference you give the reference a short, memorable and unique name, then on subsequent uses you 'call it up' by that name, without having to reenter all the details again. See WP:REFNAME for a full explanation. You can then use the {{rp}} template to add specific page numbers immediately afterwards, like this: First fact found on page 29 of a book.^[1]^: 29 Second fact found on page 114 from the same book.^[1]^: 114 And so on... Hope you find this helpful. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

References

^ ^a ^b Willmot, A.; Moyes, N. (2015). The Flora of Derbyshire. Pisces Publications. ISBN 978-1-874357-65-0.

Thank you Nick Moyes. This is helpful, it clears up some of my confusions.SenatorLEVI (talk) 11:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Question from User:Gigstage

How can i create an article? Gigstage (talk) 08:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC) Can someone give me a step by step procedure?

Hello Gigstage, refer to WP:YFA. SenatorLEVI (talk) 08:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@SenatorLEVI: You might want to put a space before the four tildes when signing your posts so the signature does not appear to be part of the sentence it follows. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok sure, thanks. SenatorLEVI (talk) 11:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Question from Anonymous Cuber

Is there any way to find articles that have maintenance templates instead of searching of every individual page on Wikipedia? Anonymous Cuber (talk) 06:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Anonymous Cuber, yes, maintenance templates normally place articles into hidden tracking categories of all articles with that tag. Go to the template page of the tag you are interested in, e.g. Template:Globalize, and look for the tracking category, e.g. Category:Articles with limited geographic scope. You can also find links to a bunch of maintenance categories at the WP:Task Center, which might be a little friendlier. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Anonymous Cuber: If you enable "Show hidden categories" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering then you can also see the maintenance categories on the articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Continuous Vandalism

The Hindi voice dubbing (cast) section of article Tsurupika Hagemaru is being continuously being vandalising with name of people who are not voice artists but actors and that too with contents without citations and that too by all types of users such as IP address users, auto confirmed users, even extended confirmed users, what to do then. Adishere (talk) 06:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Adishere, do you consider a cast list as vandalism?SenatorLEVI (talk) 06:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Adishere, you may want to read WP:CASTLIST. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 06:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

A cast list was added by an IP editor in July. Adishere removed it in October with an edit comment "Removed vandalism." That edit was reverted by Cluebot. Adishere again removed the cast list. I restored it in December because I did not see a reason why a cast list was not valid content. Adishere again removed the cast list, with edit comment "Stop Vandalising the page again and again". I do not intend to restore the disputed cast list, but I suggest that Adishere start a discussion on the Talk page, explaining why the disputed cast list is not valid. David notMD (talk) 07:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Adishere, I think you should read vandalism. Adding the cast list for a dubbed version of a series may not be encyclopaedic (I think it probably is not, especially unreferenced), but it doesn't appear to be "intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose" and therefore not vandalism. Rather than edit warring, you should be discussing the question on the article's talk page. Meantime, you would do well to remove some of the non-neutral language like "rapidly became a hit" and "became a big hit". --ColinFine (talk) 12:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

User Page

Dear all, I am a new person here. I see my name in red https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tea_Mariamidze and when I point to it, it says such a user does not exist. Did I do something wrong? Is User Page a different thing? Or you get your user page only when you write your own article? Tea Mariamidze (talk) 09:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Tea Mariamidze:, and welcome to the Teahouse! That page is your user page - see Wikipedia:User pages. You can click 'Start the User:Tea Mariamidze page', write a bit about yourself and publish the page. Once you've done that, your name will change from red to blue, linking to your user page like mine. Of course, such a page is not compulsory to create and you're welcome to leave it as it is. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 09:31, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Tea Mariamidze. I hope you will enjoy adding to the articles in Wikipedia. Note that now you have created your user page, it is not really supposed to be about you and your background but more about what you intend to contribute to the encyclopaedia. See WP:USER Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Stephen Church - Dodgy Editing

I originally created the page on Professor Stephen Church, a leading expert on King John back in 2018. Other editors have contributed and made changes which I have no issue with.

However on the 21st an editor has made a large raft of changes under the comment "Correct errors of fact". A lot of these changes have removed a chunk of his page (which were cited), removed his professional letters, his fellowship of a Royal Society and left only two references, one of which is his employer and therefore a primary source (it was used before but with secondary sources to back up).

Am I right to go back and remove all of the editors amendments, which have actually made the page worse in my opinion and does now not show notability?

Thanks Davidstewartharvey (talk) 09:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Davidstewartharvey:, and welcome to the teahouse! It looks like Theroadislong has already reverted the changes, since they constitute unexplained removal of content. Next time, feel free to revert them yourself but be careful not to violate WP:3RR or get into a WP:EDIT WAR. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 09:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Davidstewartharvey: Try to remember that one person’s dodgy is another person’s improvement. Sometimes with articles like this you get someone who’s connected to the subject matter trying to “set the facts straight” or “update” the article based upon what they know to be true. Often these people mean no harm, but rather just don’t understand what Wikipedia is about. The account that made those changes has that kind of feel to it. Was there anything worth preserving in the changes they made? If there was, then perhaps reaching out to them and explaining things about Wikipedia they might not know might encourage them to learn out to edit and be WP:HERE. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Many ThanksDavidstewartharvey (talk) 15:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

World passport

(added section break) Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi i want to apply for world passport, please can you give some information about it Mohammad Shaheer Amini (talk) 16:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

A World Passport is a fantasy document, so I'm afraid you can't apply for one, or at least, not here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Mohammad Shaheer Amini, the price of a three-year World Passport is USD55. $75 for five years, and $100 for ten years. A "World Donor Passport" valid for fifteen years with a special cover is issued gratis to donors of at least $400 which, according to the WSA, is used to provide free documents to refugees and stateless persons. Note that WP is rejected in Russia, US, Iraq, China, India, European Union, Costa Rica, Panama, and South Africa. So if you applied for a WP, chances are the only country you can go to is the Republic of WP itself. Gerald WL 15:22, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Question

How do I get other Users to work on my article draft? I can't find any citations, and I also need a pic. I can't find these myself, as my browser is blocked. Rosefeather of WindClan (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Rosefeather of WindClan, is this about User:Rosefeather of WindClan/Sandbox? Maproom (talk) 14:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Welcome to the Teahouse, Rosefeather of WindClan. If this is about the Disney character in User:Rosefeather of WindClan/Sandbox, without citations you probably aren't likely to get far to demonstrate Notability, but finding a relevant WP:WIKIPROJECT is often a good starting point to engage like-minded editors. Often, for characters in programmes it is more appropriate to add content to the main article, and create a REDIRECT from the character's name. Disney images are likely to be copyright, and I'm unsure whether we'd permit a non-free image to be uploaded and used in such circumstances. Either way, having an image is not relevant to any success in having a page accepted on the grounds of notability. That should be a later step. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Maproom: Yes, it is. As I am unable to find citations, how can I turn it into a draft that's not in my sandbox, so that other Users know that they can edit it? Rosefeather of WindClan (talk) 15:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Rosefeather of WindClan, Theroadislong has moved it to Draft:Queen Iduna (Frozen) for you. Maproom (talk) 15:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rosefeather of WindClan, and welcome to the Teahouse. Anybody can edit your sandbox: it's just that people usually won't unless you invite them to. Alternatively, you can move it to Draft:Queen Iduna or something similar. People still probably won't edit it there unless you invite them to, but they might do. Note that writing an article without first finding citations is like building a house without checking whether it has foundations: much of your work is probably going to be wasted if you find that the sources talk about different things from the ones you have written about; and possibly all of it will be wasted. Have you read your first article? --ColinFine (talk) 15:27, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

So very new to this world. Please I really need guidance to get to my assets before Christmas. Please advise.

2601:2C1:C280:E120:C860:8D0E:CBF:A4F4 (talk) 15:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. I'm not sure what you mean by "get to your assets", but I'm guessing that it is nothing to do with Wikipedia. I'm sorry, but you've come to the wrong place - this is for help in editing Wikipedia, nothing more. I guess that you need to contact your bank (or whoever it is that looks after your assets). Have a good Christmas. --ColinFine (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Just get to it quickly. Time will pass by, and by Christmas, you'll have the viby moments all by yourself. Merry Christmas mate. Gerald WL 15:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

New article on wikipedia

How can i add new aticle on wikipedia? please help me for add a newarticle. AlizaySheikh (talk) 16:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

AlizaySheikh Please check your talk page by clicking -> here <-. Check out the links posted in the welcome message to get started on Wikipedia editing. Kind regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 17:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

AlizaySheikh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. New users who dive right in without understanding the process often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings as something they spent hours on is mercilessly edited, criticized, and deleted by others. I don't want you to have bad feelings, so I would suggest that you first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. That will greatly increase your chances of success. I would suggest that you use the new user tutorial as well.

If you still want to attempt to create a new article, please read Your first article and then go to articles for creation to create a draft. 331dot (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Referencing

Hello I need help referencing things as my posts are taken down as I have not referenced them, Many Thanks, Lexi ItsLexiM (talk) 21:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@ItsLexiM: Welcome to the Teahouse. If people doubt, use inline citations for clout. Instructions for citing can be found at WP:EASYREFBEGIN; if you're using the visual editor there is a cite button you can press to insert citations. Just make sure the sources you're using are reliable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 21:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Father

Can i editing timur parents, and ancestors ? Iam.i.20 (talk) 17:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC) --Iam.i.20 (talk) 17:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC) ABABIALIL.

@Iam.i.20: It's not clear what article you are referring to, but in general the answer is yes. Wikipedia encourages editors to be WP:BOLD and follow the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle. Any changes you make will need to be supported by citations to reliable sources. If you are not comfortable making the change your self, you can start a discussion on the article's talk page to engage other interested editors. RudolfRed (talk) 18:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Your edit will need to be sourced to a reliable source using inline citations; otherwise, it's likely to be reverted.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Question from Sitaramradheshyam

Please help me get my first article published 🙏 Sitaramradheshyam (talk) 12:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sitaramradheshyam, are you asking about Draft:ISKCON Nepal? —teb728 t c 12:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:ISKCON Nepal, which has been declined three times. David notMD (talk) 12:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Sitaramradheshyam, you need to listen to the feedback you have been given. Begging is very annoying, as it indicates you refuse to take advice. If your job depends on getting your facility into Wikipedia, it is not our problem.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Question about requested articles

I'd just like to ask, how does one decline a requested article at WP:RA? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 19:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Not sure as to your meaning. RA is just a list, not a personal request mechanism, right? If you want to advise that the RA has no chance of being created, some sort of note template might be used, like AFC Comment, only for RA. (I would try to make AFC Comment work there if nothing specific has been created for the purpose.)--Quisqualis (talk) 22:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

There is a {{Comment}} template with a monochrome icon.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Inscrutable ref errors

Does anyone know what's causing the many, many ref errors in Signal (software)? I can't figure it out for the life of me. (Let me know if Teahouse isn't the right place to post this—I'm a fairly experienced editor, but just need some help!) AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC) AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@AleatoryPonderings: Welcome to the Teahouse either way.

The ref errors given here suggest that named references are being defined twice. For example, a reference like signal-foundation might have, enclosed in ref tags: lorem ipsum, but further down the article the same named reference, signal-foundation, is defined again with something else in ref tags, like foo bar. To summarise, this kind of code is most likely why the error is appearing:

<ref name="signal-foundation">lorem ipsum</ref>

<ref name="signal-foundation">foo bar</ref>

The solution would be to find the second instance of the reference being defined and giving it a different ref name. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 23:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Tenryuu. Looking at the references named for Greenberg, it is obvious that different articles written by Greenberg are being given the same reference name. Each must have a unique name. And so on. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328, Except … it looks like they're not? Whoever did the list-defined refs scrupulously specified that each of Greenberg's articles would be differentiated by the date it was published. My sense is that there's something wonky with the list-defined refs in the first place and this issue could be resolved if I went in and re-did the refs the normal way, but that would be a lot of very tedious work I don't necessarily want to embroil myself in … AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Looking more closely, it appears that you are right, AleatoryPonderings. You may want to try asking at Village Pump/Technical. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

AleatoryPonderings, WP:VPT might be better able to help solve the problem for you. A little investigation on my part makes me believe something went wrong when the named references were used in-text; I looked at only the references section via source editor and everything rendered properly in the preview. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 00:02, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, both—see this post. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 00:05, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

AleatoryPonderings, it looks like DuncanHill is fixing them by removing the - after the author. Maybe the error's documentation page should be updated? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 00:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@AleatoryPonderings: The refs are, indeed, being defined more than once. The {{Signal timeline}} sidebar that sits below the infobox is responsible. E.g., Donohue-2014 is defined in that template as well as in the article. Both look to be the same. References that are used in both need to be defined in one or the other (not both). The exact strategy depends on the reason for the separation and future plans. I'd suggest discussing it on the article's talk page with Dodi 8238, who created the template. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Over-eager policing

Was still busy compiling an article which needed quite a few references when I made my first save. One would have thought that the "Wikipedia Police" would have given one a fair time to add these references shortly afterwards, but within minutes one was upon me posting a ticket above the story about multiple issues and the like. For crying out to heaven and all other abodes in the observable universe, could some reasonable time, albeit short, not be given between first publishing and "policing" as first postings are seldom the final products that the compilers would want to submit to the Wikipedia? Mieliestronk (talk) 23:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Mieliestronk, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has editors who regularly patrol recent changes. Looking at the edit history of Draft:Arnold S de Beer (which I assume is the article in question), it was originally in the main articlespace. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do, and publishing directly to mainspace typically raises a lot of red flags. There is nothing wrong with starting in draftspace (like how an editor moved it for you) and working on it there. I suggest reading up on Your first article for more guidance on the matter. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 23:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, if you want to make it more apparent that it is a work-in-progress, you can use templates like {{in use}} or {{under construction}}. It might not prevent the article from being moved into draftspace, but you're less likely to be slapped with maintenance tags. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 23:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft status is a safe harbor for the article while you add references. English Wikipedia has higher requirements than some of the other language W's, so work on adding reliable source references before submitting the draft for review. And be aware that once submitted, review could happen any time from days to several months, as there is a large backlog. David notMD (talk) 01:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Original GA reviewer afk

I recently reviewed the article Fuller's Coffee Shop, which was a GAN. I started the review myself because it was over a week after the original reviewer, Jurysith (formerly Danielyng), said they'd review it. I completed the review last week, and even pinged Jurysith several times. They've not yet responded; their last edit is logged on 13 December. What should be done now? Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 01:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Jurysith registered Nov 17. Started and completed two GA reviews on Dec 8-9 with either no revision requests or very minor. On Dec 9, started five GA reviews. Completed one and abandoned four, including Fuller's. Pings have not been answered. In my opinion, Jurysith has not shown capacity to conduct GA reviews. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI should be allowed to complete the process. Same applies to one of the other stalled reviews, work done by a different editor. Jurysith's other two aborted reviews should be reverted. David notMD (talk) 02:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Please is there any one in Wikipedia that can help me ?

Hello Dear Madam or Sir Please i need you to help me Can you adding this for me ? here is my information

My name is Omer Sarikaya I born in Turkey/ Batman my Date of birdh is:01/03/1969 I am writer and Director i live in Holland/ Amsterdam i did 5 Movie Writer and Director of True Friendship (2015) this is short movie Writer and Director of Silent Angel (2018) Writer and Director of Islamophobia (2018) Writer and Director of Silent Scream (2018) Writer and Director of Aylan Baby (2019)

This articel is about AYLAN BABY https://www.aa.com.tr/en/life/story-of-drowned-syrian-toddler-set-to-be-film/1517711 https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jun/28/alan-kurdi-syrian-toddler-drowned-turkey-steven-seagal-film https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/6/30/family-of-late-syrian-toddler-alan-kurdi-heartbroken-over-film

This articel is about ISLAMOPHOBIA https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/kultur-sanat/islamofobi-filminin-cekimleri-almanyada-tamamlandi/1216043 https://www.trthaber.com/haber/kultur-sanat/islamofobi-filminin-cekimleri-almanyada-tamamlandi-377433.html https://www.haberler.com/cannes-film-festivali-nde-iki-film-ile-turkiye-yi-12059533-haberi/

This articel its about me imbd https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4470253/?ref_=pro_nm_visitcons

So please Please please please can you do it for me becouse i realy dont know how to edit it's very complicated So please i would realy happy if you can help me to editing for me Thank you so much Omer Sarikaya Pmpfilm (talk) 12:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Pmpfilm, hello & welcome, your question isn’t a precise one, but I’m guessing you want to have a Wikipedia article on yourself right? If yes, then unfortunately the answer would be 'no' as Wikipedia isn’t an indiscriminate collection of biographical articles. Biographical articles you see on Wikipedia are on individuals who have passed our notability test. Our notability standard is centered predominantly on WP:GNG, basically it asks three questions which are; have reliable media discussed you? Are the reliable media independent of you? do these reliable media discuss you significantly? If the answer is yes for all three questions asked then you are notable enough if not then you aren’t notable enough at the moment. Celestina007 (talk) 13:27, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Pmpfilm: Please stop. Your question has already been answered above, and shopping for other editors to see if you can find one that agrees with you is unhelpful. Pahunkat (talk) 13:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

FYI

– Comment below transplanted by Tenryuu.

Please i still not get any help from you guys !!

i allready registered in Wikipedia almost 2 weeks

And i when i search on Wikipedia My name Omer Sarikaya still not in Wikipedia why??

please tell me why? Pmpfilm (talk) 14:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Pmpfilm, please read the comments above and understand that an article about you will not be written if you do not meet Wikipedia's notability standards. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 14:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I've sent this user an email warning him not to let desperation send him into the arms of a paid WP "expert".--Quisqualis (talk) 16:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Blocked David notMD (talk) 04:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I want to be a good editor

I want to be a good editor but I am new here. Please tell me how to contribute to Wikipedia articles. Sitaramradheshyam (talk) 03:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC) Sitaramradheshyam (talk) 03:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Sitaramradheshyam. I suggest that you try The Wikipedia Adventure, a game-style tutorial on editing Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Question from Pmpfilm (blocked)

Question moved from another section to its own. Giraffer ^{(Merry·Christmas)} 14:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Please i still not get any help from you guys !! i allready registered in Wikipedia almost 2 weeks And i when i search on Wikipedia My name Omer Sarikaya still not in Wikipedia why?? please tell me why? Pmpfilm (talk) 14:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Stop forumshopping. Giraffer ^{(Merry·Christmas)} 14:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Pmpfilm. I am not the only Teahouse host who is getting annoyed at you. You have had abundant help from several people explaining that what you are trying to do cannot be done because Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion. You have been registered as an editor for two weeks: this has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not there is an article about you. There can be an article about you only if you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and somebody who understands the difficult task of creating a Wikipedia article chooses to do so. At present, with the degree of annoyance you have engendered, the chances of that are approximately zero.

If you are interested in helping us build an encyclopaedia, you are very welcome to take the Wikipedia Adventure and learn how to contribute. If you are here only to promote yourself, you are not particularly welcome, and you are likely to get blocked as somebody who is not here to build an encyclopedia. --ColinFine (talk) 14:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, Please note that the user now is blocked per WP:NOTHERE. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 21:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi again its look no one in there willing help me and i am really totally confused All i need from any one can help and put my name in there to be active sins 3 days i write no one help me Pmpfilm (talk) 14:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Pmpfilm, I strongly suggest you take ColinFine's advice. If you are only concerned with promoting your brand, seek other places to do so, like Instagram. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 14:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Pmpfilm, no-one has offered to help you because no-one is able to help you. What you are asking for is not possible. Though, as you have been warned by email, you may encounter people who will say they can help you, for payment: don't pay them, they're scammers. Maproom (talk) 18:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE: User indefinitely blocked for failing to understand that Wikipedia is not here to help them promote themselves. LinkedIn is a better option for such people. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Pmpfilm Hi, Just to make you sure that you first have to create a article about yourself. If the name is in red colour, that means that the article does not exist. Right now, your name is in red colour. You know what it means. Your name will also not come when you search it because of privacy reasons. Hope you understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous Cuber (talk • contribs) 2020-12-22T06:08:45 (UTC)

Hi, Anonymous Cuber. Pmpfilm has been blocked, so it's irrelevant for them; but I want to point out to you that you are giving wrong information. Their name is in red because they haven't created a User page: this has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not there is an article about them (which was what they were wanting). Their name would not come up in a search engine because there is not a (patrolled) article about them - again, nothing to do with whether they had a user page or not. --ColinFine (talk) 15:19, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine Thanks for confirming, but what I wanted to mention is that the does not exist. I am not talking about the content of an article here. For Example, If I say Teahouse, it is a real article. But when I say Wikipedia Teahouse, it does not exist. That is what I meant. Check the difference in the colour of the two words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous Cuber (talk • contribs) 04:39, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Is is civil to imply that another editor may not edit something?

I read in a talk page in Wikipedia something like 'There is nothing wrong with the first paragraph. You may edit the other paragraphs in that section.' Is it civil to imply that editing the first paragraph is now forbidden? There was no indication (that I could see) that the person who posted it was in an official position of authority so it seemed a bit bossy or even threatening. I've seen this sort of use of 'may' more than once. Arctic Gazelle (talk) 03:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Arctic Gazelle. I agree that the comment may be perceived as a little bit bossy. But please try to assume good faith. Perhaps the editor was trying to say that they would not object to your edits to other paragraphs but wanted to have input into changes to the first paragraph. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Screenshots

Is a screenshot of a website taken by you okay to publish on an article? Vamsi20 (talk) 04:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Vamsi20. It is very unlikely, but not impossible. The rare situation where it would be usable, is if the website's content, including all images hosted on it, bear a suitably free and compatible copyright license to allow its use here (or have been released into the public domain). Also very rarely, a screenshot might be able to be used under a fair use exception to copyright, but only if it met all ten of the non-free content criteria for the specific use (please note that fair use images cannot be used in draft articles at all – only in the article mainspace). If you tell us more about the specifics, we can advise further.

Please also refer to Wikipedia:Scanning an image does not make it your "own work" – a page I wrote to address a common misunderstanding we see on Wikipedia and sister projects, which might or might not be applicable and informative here. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Vamsi20. In most cases, the answer is "no". Almost all website content is subject to copyright law. We use freely licensed or public domain images wherever possible. Please read non-free image policy for details of the few exceptions. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

The Makefile article

So,there is this makefile article(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makefile ),It is mostly a duplicate of the make article(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_(software) ),but there are some things that are different,so should I propose it to be deleted,or merged with the make article,or can i propose the makefile section in the make article to be merged into the makefile article,or vice versa,or should I leave the 2 articles alone? Simulator-master (talk) 04:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

It looks like the software article should be the only article, and the Makefile article can be considerably condensed and merged with Make. I'd love to know how Makefile even passed review. Edit: there wasn't any review as we know it in 2002. Read up on how you go about WP:MERGEing, as there is probably a need for discussion there.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Using a smaller resolution of an image

I have used the image given below in an article. However, I am still a greenhorn at using wikimedia commons, and do not know how to use a smaller resolution of the image (it would be more appropriate for the purpose). How do we use the smaller resolutions? Regards and thanks in advance!

HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 03:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi HalfdanRagnarsson. I have modified the image markup you posted in a common manner for how we often use them in articles, which you'll see, provides a smaller default size; and also posted a second use of the same image with a forced smaller display. Click edit on this thread to see the code I used for each. For further help, please see Help:Pictures, as well as the many pages linked through Wikipedia:Images. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:16, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: Thanks a lot

HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 05:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

new article pointers

Courtesy link: Terry A Simmons

I have invested considerable effort into building a new article. It isn't perfect, but there is a lot there. For some reason it isn't yet indexed in search engine results. Is there a way to hasten that? Was there something important that I have yet to do?

Within seconds of article creation, somebody marked it as a potential candidate for deletion. I thought that hostile and almost gave up. Was there something else that I needed to do? The page still exists, as far as I can tell.

Also, some other editors keep on introducing errors into the piece. Why? For example, the article is on a person now deceased. Yet one editor insisted on adding a "living persons" category at the bottom of the page. A few other people did similarly odd things. Why? Many thanks. Dw861 (talk) 06:52, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Dw861, welcome to the Teahouse. The most likely reason as to why you're seeing these maintenance and proposed deletion tags is because you created the article directly in mainspace. We have a draftspace (pages start with Draft:) for editors to work on drafts before they're acceptable by main articlespace standards. I suggest reading Your first article if you haven't done so, and draft future articles through the Articles for creation process. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 07:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Dw861:

First of all speedy deletion tags: The article back then didn't had a claim on WP:NPERSON, qualifying it for CSD criteria A7. That being said, I would haven't tagged the article in that state, as it was clearly being worked on in that case. This is why I always recommend prepearing new articles in the Draft namespace or as a Userspace draft, even if you are technically not prevented from creating it in mainspace.
Second, search engines: All new articles on Wikipedia are only visible to search engines when they either have been visited and marked by Wikipedia:New pages patrol, or when they have been in existence for 90 days, whatever comes first. Only when this has happened search engines are (at least the well-behaved, and the most popular ones are) invited to index the article. The indexing process can take a few days.
Third, other editors. I recommend that you ask them directly, on their respective user talk page.
One last note: Please use the preview. There is also a tag, {{under construction}} that you can place on an article while you are building it up. It does give reviewers a nice extra boost when they see they have to go through over 50 sometimes small changes. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:33, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dw861. I began editing Wikipedia way back in 2009 by creating and expanding biographies of Sierra Club leaders and have done quite a bit of work on these articles over the years. I joined the Sierra Club in 1976. After reading this article, I am unsure this person is notable. The references are very poorly formatted and it is difficult for me to zero in on the sources that devote the type of significant biographical coverage that would clearly establish notability. As for tagging the article as a biography of a "living person", the WP:BLP policy applies to the recently deceased as well as those still living. This is to help verify that the person is actually dead, and to prevent the addition of negative material that may affect surviving relatives, or turning a neutral article into a hagiography. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Dw861, welcome to the Teahouse! It indeed looks like you've put a lot into that page, and I'll help answer your questions as best I can.

Regarding search engine indexing, that happens once the page has gone through our new page patrol process, which can sometimes take a few weeks or months. The article is certainly well-developed enough to easily pass muster, so the main potential concern is notability. If you can give me three links to significant coverage of Simmons in independent, reliable sources, that would help a lot. Ideally, this would be something like reported (as opposed to paid) obituaries in a newspaper, or passages in a book that specifically discuss him as a person (rather than just mentioning him in a single line as part of a passage on Greenpiece or the Sierra Club).

Regarding the speedy deletion tag, editors are not supposed to immediately tag pages for speedy deletion, and the one who did so should not have; I'm sorry that you encountered that. In the future, to avoid that, it's best to start pages in the draft namespace (by making their title e.g. "Draft:Terry A. Simmons") and then move them to mainspace only once they are ready. You can also place the code {{Under construction}} on a page, which will give you a little longer of a grace window, although not as long as draftspace (where there's no limit, but unedited pages are generally deleted after six months).

Regarding the "living persons" error, we can mostly blame the robots for that one. It came about because you had (1947- ) at the top at one point as you constructing the page. CAPTAIN RAJU came by to make a small grammatical fix (on-board to on board, but while they were there, the tool they were using noticed the lack of death date and assumed that this meant Simmons is alive, and included some edits to the page reflecting that. It seems like just an unusual fluke circumstance (I can't really fault the algorithm or anyone involved), but as above, if you want to avoid it in the future, start the page in draftspace, where that sort of semi-automated edit is less likely to be made.

I hope all that helps clarify! I'll await your reply regarding the sources, and I hope you stick around and help us create more pages that are just as thoroughly done! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

How to create a diff link

Hello, I want to know how to create a diff link in mobile. Can anyone help me about that? Kajjul (talk) 08:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kajjul:, the mobile interface often lacks features, and you can generally handle this by clicking on "Desktop view" at the very bottom of the page to switch to desktop view, and then doing what you want to do the desktop way. For diff links, you can do that by going to the page history (scroll to the bottom and click on "last edited") and then clicking on the relevant diff and copying the URL. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

That was helpful! Thank you!Kajjul (talk) 08:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Title

How do you make a title because when I make a page it says my title is just my name, also how do you link that title to a certain word. For example, Sam Winchester is linked to Sam Winchester Anonymouspeep986 (talk) 10:48, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Anonymouspeep986 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds to me as if you are attempting to edit your user page, which is not article space, but a place to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia user. New users cannot directly create articles until they are autoconfirmed, meaning that their account is at least four days old with at least 10 edits or more. Even if you are autoconfirmed, it is not recommended to just create new articles, as as it will likely cause you grief and frustration as your work is mercilessly edited, discussed, and deleted by others. Creating a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. I don't want you to have bad feelings, so I suggest that you first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, so you get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It would also be good for you to use the new user tutorial.

However, if you still want to attempt to create a new article, you should read Your First Article and use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor, instead of placing it directly in the encyclopedia yourself, so you get some other eyes on it from more experienced people. 331dot (talk) 10:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

College Applications

This might not be the right place to ask, now that I think about it. But can your contributions to Wikipedia, say number of edits be used in your college applications? Is it something worth mentioning? SenatorLEVI (talk) 15:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

SenatorLEVI, you can try. But maybe don't make it a major reason in the app. Having it as an addition can help, but keep in mind your edits have to be good edits, that way you're not blindly saying Look, professor! I am bad at Wikipedia, I can probably be good at college. Gerald WL 15:48, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Of course, that won't be a major point in my application. I was just wondering if spending time editing on Wikipedia could be used to credit myself elsewhere.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

(ec) :I'm not sure how much value "Wikipedia editor" has to colleges looking for prospective students, since anyone can be one- and Wikipedia is not for publishing original research like an academic paper that might actually be of value to colleges. 331dot (talk) 15:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

331dot, well, being a professional Wikipedia editor can hint signs of, say, writing integrity and research integrity. It can also hint perseverance, like how an editor might guide an article from its stubby times to a grand featured article.. At least that's IMO. Gerald WL

"Professional Wikipedia editor" in what sense? People who charge money for editing Wikipedia often display a stunning lack of integrity. --bonadea contributions talk 23:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

College application departments may not be as aware of Wikipedia as you might think. If, perhaps, you have raised a number of articles to Good Article (or Featured Article) status, that might be meaningful, but only if department staff understand that this means a peer review process. Keep in mind that application reviewers may use Wikipedia but have no or only limited idea as to how content is created. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

During an admission-interview I could probably explain in-brief how editing Wikipedia works, and then list out my contributions. Then it would probably be worthwhile to include Wikipedia contributions into my application in the future. SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@SenatorLEVI: I tend to agree with Gerald Waldo Luis, and feel that being able to highlight any genuine form of hobby, interest, volunteering, paid weekend work, awards or other skills or achievements helps to demonstrate that someone does more in society than just achieve exam grades. So, go for it! But make sure you get the balance right when 'selling yourself'. If you're still here in a year's time and want to point to your achievements, that'd be cool. But today, with just 36 mainspace edits to your name, simply saying something like "I recently started editing Wikipedia and am enjoying the experience of learning how to collaborate on editing with other people" wouldn't go amiss. But always be prepared for someone to pick up on interests you've mentioned, and have a good answer ready to reply with. In particular, you might be challenged about whether or not Wikipedia should be used by college or university students in their studies. What answer would you give? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Nick Moyes:, based on what editors have said I think I will definitely include this in my application when the time comes. 36 main-space edits isn't much but I still have around 2 years before I head to college; and I enjoy editing on Wikipedia so I'm confident I'll stick around. And whether Wikipedia should be used in colleges or universities is a subject of debate at least in my school, so I do have a concrete answer. Thanks for the help.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, really agree. Currently in HS, and when I hear people asking What would you do after graduating really pressures me. [sighs] I think I'm gonna mess my whole life up. Gerald WL 16:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: I'm not sure what HS is (apart from a skin condition), High School? but I can appreciate that. My eldest is in their 3rd year at Uni, and still doesn't know what direction they might take after graduating. The process is often one of discovering what you know you don't want to do, whilst still keeping as many options and pathways open and available to you to move forward. Eventually, you arrive at one of perhaps many ideas of things you'd like to do, and start giving them a try. Gaining any sort of experience along the way helps in that process and gives you the chance to shine as an individual with a particular set of skills. I was in my first job for 5 years, but nowadays it's quite acceptable to be seen to have worked in many different areas for quite short periods of time. Whatever you do do, try to find work that will satisfy you, even if it doesn't pay that well. If you're lucky, like I was, the riches come in enjoying your innumerable days at work, and less from enjoying the rare weekends away from it. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, yeah, HS is high school. I don't know, it feels like some time later I'll have to handle life my own, which is f*king scary. I've been scouting on the internet for which college to go to, what should I do after graduation... etc, and am yet to come to a conclusion. Thanks for the advice, man! Gerald WL 17:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Nick as well, and would add that if you get to a point where your Wikipedia contributions are significant, you may want to include a packet with links explaining what any of the jargon related to your accomplishments (e.g. GA, FA, AfC reviewer, Teahouse host, etc.) means. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 16:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Considering I once had a person list what they were capable of bench pressing on a resume for a Programmer position, I'd say Wikipedia can be a valid listing under interests/hobbies/extracurricular activites. Just certainly as others have said be prepared for the questions it could raise especially about using wikipedia in college classes. Slywriter (talk) 16:47, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I would say yes, mention it by all means, but not for the reason you think. I have friends who interview candidates for university, and they generally have little or no idea of what editing Wikipedia involves. Something these interviewers mention is the difficulty of getting some candidates to talk freely about something they're interested in, so that they can form an impression of them. "I edit Wikipedia" lets the interviewer ask "ooh, what does that involve"; while "I do bench presses" isn't going anywhere. Maproom (talk) 19:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

You'll want to think carefully about whether you really want to connect your Wikipedia user name to your real-life identity, though. If you put your editing activities on your CV, you will presumably need to disclose your user name (I don't know what the kind of college application that requires an applicant to list extracurriculars would look like, it's a foreign system, but I'm assuming it is essentially a CV – not that it matters.) Anybody is free to out themselves, obviously, but if you get to the point where your WP editing becomes so substantial that it would be interesting for a reviewing committee, you will inevitably have attracted your share of abusers and trolls. Some people get a greater share and more serious threats and some don't get so much – it's all pretty much random. And some people are not as bothered as others. So whether it is a good decision to mention your WP user name in a public context is your own decision, you just need to be aware of what goes into the decision. --bonadea contributions talk 23:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Just my two cents. First, I don't think this is not really something that should be discussed here at the Teahouse; probably fine for a user talk page, but it has a bit too much of a WP:NOTFORUM feel for the Teahouse even though it is kind of an interesting discussion. Now, having said that, I think the OP would be much better off trying to write/create content for something such a school newspaper or a local newspaper; it might even better for them to start their own blog or try to get picked up as a contributor on some other local group's blog. I think those things are likely going to have much more of an imapct of a university looking for student than Wikipedia editing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:25, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I think once I spend enough time on Wikipedia I'll be able to explain what editing on Wikipedia involves, and after I make significant contributions it'll be easy to list them out, and might actually prove useful in my college application.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict):In addition to outing oneself on Wikipedia not being a great idea, generally, there remains the obvious point that the Wikipedia account "SenatorLEVI's real name" is not necessarily the product of SenatorLEVI, as, within reason, any user may call themselves any name at all. Some savvy application reviewers may realize this fact.

As Wikipedia does not exist to promote anything other than knowledge, it would likely not develop and offer a "validation" service so that editors could (directly or indirectly) monetize their editing work. It's just not the way of Wikipedia., not to mention being vulnerable to impersonation fraud.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't really have a problem linking my real name to my Wikipedia account, I have tried to change my name to my real name on Wikipedia (but due to similar accounts existing it couldn't be changed). It'll be easier and less awkward for College Application reviewers to go through my application if my Wikipedia username is my real name than my current username.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

At your stage in life, It would be more harm than help to have your account match your name. If some pranking friend/frenemy found out about you being a WP editor, they could vandalistically (all in "good fun") make a hash of your editing history, or worse... Count your blessings.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

It'll be easier and less awkward for College Application reviewers to go through my application if my Wikipedia username is my real name than my current username. No, if somebody knows your user name it is not easier to find your edits if it tallies with your real name – either the person knows how to find edits made by a particular editor or they don't. If they don't know how to find a user's edit, it doesn't matter whether they know that your Wikipedia user name is the same as your RL name. If they do know how to do it, all they need to know is your user name, because the process of finding your edit history is no different. --bonadea contributions talk 11:30, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Adding an article onto a WikiProject’s scope

Hello there! How do I add articles onto a WikiProject’s area of interest, as in This article is within the scope of (Example)? There are lots of articles that are within this area of interest, but none of them are featured as such. -Shift674-🌀^contribs 12:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I’ve answered that question now. But I have another one. How do I add an article to the “quality and importance” table? -Shift674-🌀^contribs 12:18, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Shift674:, and welcome to the teahouse! Quality and importance should be inserted as parameters in the template (e.g. {{WikiProject Tropical cyclones|class=start|importance=low}}). Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 12:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

contents box

Hi! Why some pages have contents box like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Ernst whilst some don't like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-J%C3%BCrgen_Riediger ? I'd like to remove contents box itself or "Honours" because it's not "Honours" but "Achievements", if it's allowed. Any suggestions? Thanks :) RøedS (talk) 12:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC) RøedS (talk) 12:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

RøedS, welcome to the Teahouse. Articles automatically generate tables of contents when there are at least four sections. You can change the section heading directly so that it would read as "Achievements". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 12:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the quick answering, Tenryuu!! OK and Happy Holidays to you and all @ Wikipedia! RøedS (talk) 12:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Adoptees

Is there a place where I can find the full list of users awaiting adoption? Vamsi20 (talk) 13:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:13, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I want to contact the editor of this page:

I really want to contact the editor of this page,its very important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFC_records 37.202.82.46 (talk) 12:43, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello 37.202.82.46, there are many editors for this page, who've edited it over a period of time. If you wish to see any recent edits made by editors just click on the History section on the top right and you can see them in an organized manner. After that you may contact any one of them by leaving a message on their talk page. However if you wish to contact the creator of this article I've linked their user talk page here. SenatorLEVI (talk) 12:49, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Looks like the original creator has retired from Wikipedia, their last edit was in 2018. Pahunkat (talk) 12:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes I realized that, but looks like the IP editor wanted to contact a different editor, I think he already has. SenatorLEVI (talk) 12:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

The place to discuss the content of any Wikipedia article is the talk page of that article, in this case Talk:List_of_UFC_records.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Close account

How do I close my account? 1957Eagle (talk) 16:02, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

1957Eagle Well if you mean delete your account, I believe that can't be done. However, you can WP:RETIRE. SnazzyInfinity (chat? • what I've done) 16:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Omah Lay

Please I want to know if I can create Omah Lay, I want an expert to Cross check his notability as I feel he's qualify for wiki music criteria. BadEdithor (talk) 14:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello BadEdithor, and welcome to the Teahouse! You're welcome to create the article through the articles for creation process, but before you begin please read our policies on biographies of living people and the various notability guidelines: WP:NBIO and WP:NMUSIC, in your case. Ensure you're 100% certain that the subject is notable enough for an article by collecting sources before you begin. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 14:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

If you have a WP:COI with the subject you'll have to disclose that, and I'd recommend you instead request it be created. Pahunkat (talk) 15:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

This repeatedly created article is currently in draft mode at Draft:Omah Lay. Please see the links in the grey box above the article to see what is required.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I see that it's been done already, so there's no need touching it. Thanks for your response. BadEdithor (talk) 18:02, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Youtuber

FYI

– Heading created by Tenryuu.

why doesn't youtuber daily dose of internet have an Wikipedia article dispide him having 10 millions subs? Ztarbuckzkoffie3 the ztarbuckzfoffeing (talk) 05:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ztarbuckzkoffie3 the ztarbuckzoffeing: Welcome to the Teahouse. Do any reliable sources talk about him? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 06:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ztarbuckzkoffie3 the ztarbuckzfoffeing: Subscriber count alone does not make a YouTuber notable. If you look at Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability, you can see further discussion about this topic. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 18:16, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Addnode Group (improve draft)

Hi,

I have been trying to create a page for the company Addnode Group but it gets rejected due to notability/unreliable sources. Could anyone help me look into this, and see what needs to be added and/or changed. Any specidic sources that lacks independence or relability? It would be highly appriciated.

Link to article:Draft:Addnode_Group

Thanks! Gustav Addnode (talk) 08:33, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Gustav Addnode, all seven of the sources cited in Draft:Addnode Group lack independence. The first two were written by the company, the next three are based on what its representatives said, and the last two are based on press releases. Maproom (talk) 11:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. The first one is not from the company (Redeye) and the second is an annual report under Swedish Financial Supervisory Authority. Are those not considered independent either? Do you have any other suggestion on what could be done to improve the article? Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gustav Addnode (talk • contribs) 12:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Gustav Addnode, organizations like Redeye often populate their listings by offering the listees a form to fill out, which populates the directory, saving on research hours and errors. Where do you think the Swedish Financial Supervisory Authority obtains its data? Wikipedia notability arises from what uninvolved entities have written about Addnode. In some cases, an important subject has been little written about, and, paradoxically, we cannot fill an article with all that they wish to say about themselves. Hence, a WP:stub may be all that is possible.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Nikkie Lee-YouTuber

Hello, this is Nikkie, I'm very curious as to why you declined my article? Nikkielee23 (talk) 16:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Nikkielee23: Hello Nickkie, and welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, please be aware that autobiographys are strongely discouraged. I assume this is about Draft:Nikkie Lee - YouTube. The reject (not decline) reason is listed in the big pink box at the top of the draft: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. From the draft I gather that you are 16, maybe Wikipedia:Advice for younger editors is worth a read (I know, it isn't exactly targeted at you age group, but I feel it still applies) Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Nikkielee23. Because this encyclopaedia only has articles about 'notable subjects' every new article has to meet our Notability Criteria. Even YouTubers with hundreds of thousands or even millions of followers don't automatically merit articles here unless the world at large (i.e. mainstream media outlets) has also taken note of them and written about them in detail and in depth. My own YouTube Channel and has a fair few more subscribers than yours does at the moment, but that would not be a reason for me creating an article. I'm afraid your draft stood no chance of ever being accepted, and another admin has since deleted it. But you have youth and a future on your side, so maybe it is just WP:TOOSOON. Were we to allow everyone on this planet to write about themselves, we'd have 7 billion pages that nobody is interested in. So whilst we stick to genuinely notable topics, and remove the rest, we're happy to see other platforms providing free outlets for the likes of you and me. Maybe there are things other than yourself that you might like to contribute to - see Wikipedia:Task Center if you do. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Getting in Contact with Teahouse hosts

How may one get in contact with a teahouse host with similar topics of interest to them? Lillianaletshabo (talk) 20:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Lillianaletshabo: Welcome to Wikipedia. You may leave a message for any editor on that editor's talk page. Some users list their interests on their User page and some do not. RudolfRed (talk) 20:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Procedure to replace 'citation needed' by a reference.

In an article I wrote some sentences have been provided with a 'citation needed'. I attempted to replace a 'citation needed' by a website reference. The reference [8] behind the sentence has been added, but in the References section below, it says /Check date values in: date= (help)/. I tried to fill in all possible date fields in all possible formats and values, but I seem not to be able to get rid of this /Check date values in: date= (help)/. I do something wrong? Bojustme (talk) 19:35, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Bojustme, welcome to the Teahouse. The |date= parameter needs to be a numerical value that is recognised as such over at Help:Citation Style 1#Dates. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 19:38, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

So, the date value I provided is "August 29, 2020", exactly the same as in other references. And it is still wrong because...? Bojustme

That's the value you put in "access-date" (which should be the date you checked that the url worked, that is, today, but it won't give an error if you enter a date in the past, as you did). In "date=" there is a text string, "Airborne Assault - ParaData", instead of a date. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 20:10, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Mr. bonadea. Bojustme — Preceding undated comment added 20:52, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Is a WP:IBAN possible on an admin?

Hi. Is an IBAN possible on an involved admin ? Is there an issue with posting a warning on their talk? Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

It is theoretically possible.... but I suggest starting a normal conversation with the admin. No one likes a flyby warning....just explain your POV on the situation thus giving them a venue to explain what's going on.--Moxy 🍁 15:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Pasdecomplot. An administrator is not a higher level user—they only have access to higher level tools. They can absolutely be warned, blocked, or banned. However, the fact they are an administrator (but for a very few users who got their access in the very, very earliest days of Wikipedia) always means they are highly experienced; went through a community process to request the access to the tools that that would not have succeeded if they hadn't shown by their edits they seemed like a person who was clueful and to be trusted and who had a good working knowledge of policy and guideline. What that translates to is that it is not very common that administrators need to be warned for their edits, or blocked or even banned, but it certainly happens.

Additionally – and much of the following is my general advice for how to comport yourself to avoid problems and get the result you actually want without knowing the specifics, so I don't know if the following applies to you – but please be aware of WP:BOOMERANG and please note Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. If you are, for example, in a seeming interaction that is heading towards an edit war with a highly experienced user (admin or otherwise), I strongly recommend discussing the issue at their talk page (calmly and as neutrally as possible) tailored to the specifics. Focus on the content issue, not what you think of them. Also, cite policy/guideline that supports what you are there about, and be sure it's them and not you. It usually takes two to edit war (if you are the sole person reverting multiple experienced others, you probably need to re-think your position). Likewise, it often takes two people reverting multiple times for one of them to cross the line and breach the three revert rule. Please also note the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Something that can be described as "calm discussion" where you "raise an issue" is usually superior to something one would describe as "warning". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much Moxy and Fuhghettaboutit. The issue has been going on for quite a while, and at a current RSN it's a problem. I went ahead with a warning since it was necessary, and posted an RPA at the RSN. Where can I go for an IBAN, since interaction has been attempted numerous times, and I don't wish to interact anymore. It seems an IBAN could work. I trust other editors/admins agree with these unfortunately necessary actions (the warning and RPA), per policy... Pasdecomplot (talk) 16:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Pasdecomplot - I'd be careful here. In general, don't edit others' posts for grammar, spelling, formatting - see WP:TPO. It could give others the impression that you're trying to portray their comments in a different way, even if you had good intentions. Pahunkat (talk) 16:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the very timely reminder Pahunkat! I can cite the guidelines as well. Pasdecomplot (talk) 21:35, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Question about inline sources

I am working on a draft, and I would like to ask: do you add the in-text citation before or after the punctuation? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 22:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi JJPMaster. After, like this.^[1]--Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit, Thank you for such a quick reply! JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 22:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

You're most welcome. By the way, for the relevant style guideline, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Punctuation and footnotes – where the following exception to the general rule is provided: "Ref tags are placed before dashes, not after. Where a footnote applies only to material within parentheses, the ref tags belong just before the closing parenthesis."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

User Boxes

I am new here so I do not know how to get user boxes. I would really like to know, Lexi ItsLexiM (talk) 21:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC) ItsLexiM (talk) 21:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries has list of Userboxes you can put on your User page. David notMD (talk) 22:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi ItsLexiM. If it might be useful, one common way organize your userboxes, once you have selected them, is to use the template pair: {{Userboxtop}} and {{Userboxbottom}}, such as in this example, taken from Wikipedia:Userboxes#Grouping userboxes:

{{Userboxtop}}
{{User WikiProject Userboxes}}
{{User:UBX/Rome}}
{{User:Nihiltres/Userboxes/Friendly}}
{{Userboxbottom}}

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:43, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Original Research

How do I avoid getting edits reverted because of "Original Research". There's a ton of smoke right now around the break dancing scene and allegations of sexual assault against Crazy Legs (most of which have been substantiated through screenshots or behind closed doors) which has resulted in all (at least most) of the bgirls in the legendary Rock Steady Crew quitting the crew. Is it possible to update Crazy Leg's wiki page in a way that responsibly adds this context or isn't that possible until a major media broadcaster picks it up or it ends up in court?

I am arguably biased but also torn in terms of responsibility if I do nothing. Many years ago Crazy Legs acted improperly, aggressively and illegally at an event he was paid to host and I witnessed those events (the victim was personally known to me) but didn't really broadcast that information. The nature of the work in the dance scene means that people mostly stay quiet about bad shit because people want to get paid and failing to broadcast this information strongly enough back then has arguably contributed to the last few years of him shitting all over the scene. I want to, if possible, add the necessary context to his wiki page to correctly communicate that a lot of people in the scene take issue with him and his record is far from stellar; the legendary Ken Swift or Easy Roc from his own crew have also called him out in the past as being a poor influence and have cut ties.

Is there an ethical way to communicate an aspect of information and add it somehow to his wiki entry without violating the editorial rules? TheIckyMedia (talk) 16:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

TheIckyMedia Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia articles (not mere "pages") summarize what independent reliable sources state, not personal knowledge or assessments. Furthermore, there are stricter rules regarding writing about living persons, which you should review at WP:BLP. In short, accusations of illegal activities generally cannot be posted unless a court of law has convicted a person.

You say that people in your industry don't generally reveal information; if so, you can't reveal it on Wikipedia. Information must be sourced to a published independent reliable source that can be verified. We cannot accept personal knowledge. 331dot (talk) 16:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. To clarify; if a reputable news site such as CNN or the BBC report on the allegations then it would become acceptable to link them to his wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIckyMedia (talk • contribs) 16:53, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@TheIckyMedia: That is correct. If you aren't sure if a source is reliable, the page Wikipedia:Perennial sources lists many sources that have been discussed at length and evaluated for their reliability. In general, mainstream news and academic sources are a safe bet. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! <3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIckyMedia (talk • contribs) 18:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@TheIckyMedia: Unless I've misunderstood, I have to disagree with Drm310's answer above, and say that the answer to your question immediately above that is likely "no". Note what 331dot wrote above: In short, accusations of illegal activities generally cannot be posted unless a court of law has convicted a person. [emphasis mine]. The mere fact that allegations have been made, even if reported by reliable sources, is not usually enough – they generally have to have been found to be true. People are routinely sued, accused, even charged and tried, and much of that is reported by news sources. Until they are found liable/guilty, they are presumed innocent, and an encyclopedia that is supposed to take a longer-term view need not report on every detail until the matter is settled. See WP:SUSPECT. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Tables

I've noticed that in articles on podcasts, tables of podcast episodes are sometimes removed for reasons like "the table was unencyclipedic". I'm curious what the official guidelines are concerning tables of podcast episodes or episodes in general. I'm under the impression that they aren't supposed to be used unless individual episodes are significant in some way like they were mentioned in a news source or they have their own wp article, but I'm not sure if that's true or not. TipsyElephant (talk) 02:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi TipsyElephant. It sounds like this might be something similar to WP:NOTTVGUIDE in that it might be OK for some reliably sourced information about a podcast to be included and perhaps even some information about some of the more notable episodes, but simply listing every episode of the podcast might be something not considered OK to do when it comes a Wikipedia article, unless perhaps it was a list article about the podcast. Have you tried asking about this at WP:PODCAST? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:57, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merge two articles without discussion?

Is it possible to do an uncontroversial merging of two articles without discussion? WP:PAM states that the following is acceptable: "Mergers that are so obviously necessary and appropriate that no one is expected to object". These two articles (George S. Clinton and George S. Clinton discography) seem to qualify under that rule. Armegon (talk) 03:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC) Armegon (talk) 03:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

It's possible perhaps, but it might be contentious and might not automatically be an improvement. Trying to add all of the content currently in the list article to the main article might throw the latter even more out of balance than it al ready is. Sometimes when you come across a case like the, the list article exists because it was WP:SPLIT off from the main article at some point. I'm not sure if that's the case here, but perhaps a better way to improve the main article would be to try and expand it by moving some of the content out of the lead into the body of the article so that it's not so top heavy and then try to work from there. The article is basically currently just a lead section, a section with just a hatnote and then a section with just an embedded list. Perhaps there's a better way to incorporate some of the main works of Clinton and biographical information about him into the body of the article in WP:PROSE form. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:33, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Editor block.

How do I request an administrator to block on editor or request protection on a certain page? SenatorLEVI (talk) 09:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

SenatorLEVI You may request page protection at WP:RFPP; if the issue is a single user, you may report vandalism/inappropriate editing to WP:AIV, and edit warring to WP:ANEW. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. SenatorLEVI (talk) 09:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Looks like your dispute is with User:SpectresWrath, over edits made in good faith versus vandalism. You could invite the editor to a discussion on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 09:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I have dropped a message on the editor's talk page but he/she has removed my message (reverted my revision). I don't think I can engage in any conversation because the user in question has ignored previous notices and messages by other editors about violation of editing policies and edit warring. SenatorLEVI (talk) 10:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Editors are within their rights to delete content on their own Talk pages (with certain limits). So far, at the article in question, SpectresWrath made a deletion twice in one day, each reverted, but not by the same editor. So, not quite edit warring. I recommend doing nothing at the moment, and just hope that SW loses interest in the article. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Of course they do, but I was just stating that. And regarding the number of edits he has made 4 reverts on the same day. I mentioned him reverting my request to discuss his continuous reverts as to why I am unable to discuss it with him. SenatorLEVI (talk) 10:51, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

SenatorLEVI, I've reported them to WP:AIV, as they are clearly not here to make an encyclopedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that, additionally I did report him at WP:AN3, and it looks like he's been blocked. SenatorLEVI (talk) 05:24, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Advice on improving Draft:Penumbra (company)

I would like advice on improving this page. I got great advice from several people before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1087#advice_with_article_Penumbra_(company) I would like to know if there is anything else I should do before resubmitting it. For example, did I cover the controversy and recalls in the proper way? Thank you very much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Penumbra_(company) 19:38, 23 December 2020 (UTC) Adamreinman (talk) 19:38, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Adamreinman, first off, remove all the unnecessary ref bombed sources of which two third are announcements. Furthermore you need to declare a WP:COI or if you are to receive payment for creating the article. I haven’t seen the advise given to you by other editors but as an objective editor that is what I think. Celestina007 (talk) 19:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Thank you for your help. I added a note to comments on the page that I do not have a conflict of interest.

One of the editors said Clarification needed for the following sentence:

In 2018 the company acquired 40% of the outstanding shares of virtual reality joint venture MVI Health[clarification needed] from collaborator Sixense[clarification needed], boosting its interest to 90%.

What do you think of this version:

In 2018 the company acquired the outstanding shares of virtual reality joint venture MVI Health.

Thank you Adamreinman (talk) 09:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

"Significant publications" in biographical article

Is it unusual that a biographical article is largely composed from a "Significant publications" section, as seen at here? azwaldo (talk) 20:45, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Azwaldo such lists are commonly found in articles about academics and authors. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi azwaldo. Anything that appear to be evaluation in Wikipedia's voice should be avoided (e.g., as smacking of original research). On the other hand, we absolutely must exercise editorial judgment when writing articles, as to what to include and what not to include—which is an integral part of writing and is not original research. See, e.g., Wikipedia:Editorial discretion. Now, this strikes me as ambiguously somewhere betwixt and between. We do include such lists depending on the topic, and exercise editorial discretion when composing them, but calling them "significant works" (without a citation) is what bothers me; the use of that headline here automatically makes me think "according to whom?".

Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists of works and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Works or Publications or Bibliography and by analogy Wikipedia:WikiProject Bibliographies#Recommended structure and last but not least, looking at a few Wikipedia:Featured articles, I recommend changing the headline to "Selected works" or "List of selected works", à la Lat (cartoonist) among a number of other examples I found. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your feedback. Article revision has begun with a List of selected works.azwaldo (talk) 11:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Week ending For Charts & List of UK Christmas Singles & Albums Charts #1

As this week ending is a bit silly idea for the charts, and why The Christmas Charts is branded as the sales are always before christmas day, as a day to 6 days behind each year, the following charts week (Not branded as christmas) is really counting the start of the christmas week from 25th December, i was wondering if the pages on wiki should inform people it the run up to christmas sales or pre-christmas sales, it may fall in that week, but it never included christmas day sales for the UK Routea380i (talk) 12:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Please see the message about this on your talk page. If you have a coherent suggestion for improvement of the article, I suggest you make it on the article talk page where it can be discussed by interested editors. Please ensure you have a reliable source for your assertion.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

What is the policy on citing secondary sources not freely available online?

A lot of newspaper articles are either located behind a paywall, or have never been put online at all. Is there a Wikipedia policy about citing such articles as references? Can such references be used to establish the notability of a Wikipedia article, even though the page reviewer would not be able to view the reference? PopePompus (talk) 03:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@PopePompus: There is no problem with references that require payment or are not online at all. If you are having trouble accessing a source, you can ask someone at WP:RX to look it up for you. RudolfRed (talk) 04:42, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello PopePompus. Yes, offline and paywalled sources are acceptable, although equivalent freely available online sources are preferred when available. Please provide complete bibliographic details for the source, and consider including a one or two sentence quote from the article that backs the assertion made in the article. Of course, the newspaper cited must be a reliable one. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:49, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I frequently see a Lock Icon beside many references. My instinct thought that meant the reference was behind either a Paywall; or a user account required to access the link/ reference. Random craziness - I clicked the link on one such reference - and got to it. SO - either my instinct is very off; or potentially the site had changed or removed its paywall or user account required. Other possibilities - the lock was added in error. Or that website has an error allowing an external direct link to succeed bypass the log-in. Ok What do I mean by Lock Icon - https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example ← right there - nothing special by my editing/ typing so unsure How I got it or Wikipedia does this. Wfoj3 (talk) 00:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Wfoj3, I'm not seeing any lock icons in the lick you provided. The lock icons next to references are generated with templates like {{open access}}, {{free access}}, or {{closed access}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 01:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC) Thanks - have proven me wrong. Wfoj3 (talk) 13:42, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Adding of my Biography

Respected Sir/Mam,

I am a notable author from India. And, I would like my biography to be added in the wikipedia. Being of the notable, the media have covered article of me(my book). So, is it possible? 2405:201:3013:7072:45C:EF72:702F:9A1 (talk) 11:46, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

You haven't provided any evidence that you're notable, and you haven't told us who you are so as to allow us to check. Without that, it's impossible to answer your question. Maproom (talk) 13:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I'd suggest you have a read of Wikipedia:Autobiography, but in short, it's never a good idea to try and get an article about yourself on Wikipedia. --Paul ❬talk❭ 13:37, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability for authors, then yes, we could have an article about you. Somebody would need to write it, and that somebody should not be you: see autobiography. Unfortunately, since this is a project created and managed by volunteers, there is no reliable way to get somebody to write about you. You may post a request at requested articles, but there is very little take-up from there. Perhaps your best bet is to see if you can engage the interest of a volunteer at WikiProject India or WikiProject Biography. --ColinFine (talk) 13:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Load capacity

“CALCULATION OF SAFE BEARING CAPACITY BASED ON POINT LOAD VALUES & UNIAXIAL COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH & THEIR RELATIONSHIP” Shariful Islam (talk) 11:56, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347510328_CALCULATION_OF_SAFE_BEARING_CAPACITY_BASED_ON_POINT_LOAD_VALUES_UNIAXIAL_COMPRESSIVE_STRENGTH_THEIR_RELATIONSHIP_CHAPATER_-01 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shariful Islam (talk • contribs) 14:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shariful Islam, do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? --Paul ❬talk❭ 13:38, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shariful Islam. Further on to the above, if your question is, as it seems, unrelated to Wikipedia, but a general knowledge inquiry, it belongs, if at all, at an appropriate section of the reference desk (here, possibly the mathematics sections). However, you need to actually articulate a question. I don't see anything above that can be understood as a question to help answer. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:59, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

"Paid contribution"

Hello - I just added links to companies mentioned in an article plus gave reference to a research group who did pionieering work. Both were declined with the reason "paid editing". While I understand that Wikipedia is not advertising, all contributors are either paid directly or indirectly. They may be researchers (paid by universities), linguists (paid by the library), engineers (paid by companies)... so I do not understand what triggers of the "paid editing". Please enlighten me to keep contributing. Josef X Brunner (talk) 10:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Josef X Brunner: No, the absolute majority of us are not paid to do this. Some editors have jobs, others don't because they are (for instance) retired or students or unemployed, but very, very few people do the editing as any part of their job duties, and there is no compensation involved for the rest of us. Speaking only for myself, I have other hobbies as well, and my employer doesn't pay for those either. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 10:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Josef X Brunner, and welcome to the Teahouse! You may find our guidelines on paid editing and conflict of interest editing useful if you haven't read them already. In the case of your draft, it was declined because you need to demonstrate the subject's notability through the use of multiple reliable sources that have significant coverage of the topic - see the general notability guidelines which explain this in more detail. Furthermore, the draft seems to read like an advert - all articles should be written from a neutral point of view. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 10:31, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello0, Josef X Brunner. The fact that you think that "all contributors are either paid directly or indirectly" suggests to me that you share the widespread, but utterly incorrect, belief that Wikipedia has anything at all to do with publicity, promotion, or marketing. It does not. It is a collaborative project to create an encyclopaedia. In my personal view, writing or even editing an article with even the slightest intention to benefit (or harm) the subject poisons Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 13:33, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I couldn't agree with what ColinFine says above more. I worry we may not be able to overcome all the problems that have arisen because we have not taken the reins and adjusted our policies/guidelines, and more importantly our practices, to address the problem in any meaningful and pragmatic way. The "hole" we have dug for ourselves is now so deep and "mountain" of advertising content we would need to address is so tall.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:12, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Description of pages

Do you need to add a description everytime you edit a page?

Well, at least tell me why. Robloxman274abc (talk) 10:58, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Robloxman274abc: you aren't required to leave an Edit summary, though it is considered good practice, and I always recommend it, especially if your edit is potientially controversial and/or the reasons for the edit are not obvivious. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:08, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Robloxman274abc. We use edit summaries as a quick a quick as easy way to communicate what we're doing and why. It's not necessary every time but it is always helpful. Especially when someone is doing something drastic like removing content, another editor might think "are they doing that because the info is incorrect, or are they doing it for a different, perhaps malicious, reason?" you can avoid that by just letting people know what you're doing. Remember that Wikipedia is a group project, so communication is always a good thing. --Paul ❬talk❭ 11:08, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Robloxman274abc, missing edit summaries tend to make other editors more suspicious and judgmental of your edits. Their judgment calls are a lot more likely to result in your edits being reverted when there is no sensible edit summary, especially in the area of video gaming.--Quisqualis (talk) 16:46, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Auto-confirmed user rights

Do you need to be an auto-confirmed user to set up a Wiki page? If so, when making edits to articles, can I choose the ones I wish to edit? Teamtridge (talk) 11:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Teamtridge. Yes, to create a new article in "mainspace" you need to be auto-confirmed but anyone can create a draft and have it turned into an article later. As for making edits, only a tiny minority of articles have any restriction on who can edit them, so yes - just pick your area of interest. --Paul ❬talk❭ 11:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Teamtridge, per your talk page, if you intend to write an article on Tridge.com, you will have to declare your WP:PAID and/or WP:COI. before you begin work on the page. Note that you will also have to change your user name beforehand, and also, if the article passes review, cease to edit it directly, and only use WP:edit requests to edit the live article.--Quisqualis (talk) 16:42, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

On your User page, from 2018, there is an explanation about why your User name is not allowed. Given you have done so few edits, I recommend you just abandon this account (forever) and register for a new one. David notMD (talk) 19:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

President Obama Massive Pardons

What were the requirements? I'm a trained librarian but have been unable to find the list of requirements used as justification for the President's pardon of over 1,700 people. I know one was "nonviolent" but that's all I can remember. It is startling that a general Internet source is not available, so I'm asking for help. This would be an invaluable addition, I believe, to your article on the President as it is still a source of contention.

Do not email me, I've been hacked and no longer have control. A phone call, letter or text would be best. I don't want to login, I've another passwords to forget already! (Redacted) ... and I find this form very confusing. 72.173.158.147 (talk) 15:27, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article on Pardon has a link to Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which may answer your question.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:49, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello IP. This is a question better suited for the reference desk; the teahouse is for questions related to how to edit Wikipedia. However, I think you may be thinking of his commutations to nonviolent drug offenders. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 15:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

It is important to understand that a commutation is different from a pardon, which erases the conviction. A commutation leaves the conviction intact, but reduces or eliminates the punishment. In most of these cases, Obama acted to release people serving unjust multi-decade prison sentences for non-violent drug offenses. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Notifications about talk pages

How can i get notifications about people replying on talk pages? UB Blacephalon (talk) 18:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

You will get notified automatically if they mention you with a ping (such as @Blacephalon:). If they don't mention you, then you need to add the page to your watchlist, but then you will get notified of all changes to that page. If you are expecting a reply to a discussion you are in, just check back on that page periodically. RudolfRed (talk) 18:32, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

But i do have it as my watchlist. But nothing happens. Is there a reason? UB Blacephalon (talk) 18:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Have you enabled notifications on your watchlist, Blacephalon? I don't believe it is automatic. --ColinFine (talk) 18:46, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't think I know how to. UB Blacephalon (talk) 18:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Open up your preferences with the link at the very top of any WP page. Click on Notifications. Then go to "Notify me about these events" and make your choices.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

OK, and now i'm confused about what the preferences mean by web , app and that stuff. UB Blacephalon (talk) 19:43, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

My device is a computer, UB Blacephalon. See Help:Preferences.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

The help page for the preferences has no info on that either, unfortunately. My thought is that "web" means notification on the website, "email" means a notification to your email address if you provided one, and "app" means a notification in the Wikipedia app for mobile devices. RudolfRed (talk) 19:55, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

All of the boxes that can be checked are...well...checked. So i don't know. UB Blacephalon (talk) 20:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Blacephalon, here are possible scenarios:

If someone pings you, the at the top of the page will light up with a number in a red box. You can then click on the list item to be brought to the page section immediately.
If someone replies to you on a talk page but doesn't ping you, your watchlist will update itself to show that the page has been changed anyway (in boldface until you visit it). This includes any change, not just replies to you. You can adjust watchlist settings to notify you off-Wikipedia and onto the email address associated with the account (if you provided one). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 20:56, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Ahh so ill get email reports if someone edited the page. OK, Thanks! UB Blacephalon (talk) 21:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Blacephalon, just going to clarify one thing; as Help:Watchlist#Email notification states:

Watching a page allows you to receive email notification of changes to it. To enable this feature, select "Email me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed" at Special:Preferences. (Currently, it is not possible to limit email notifications by page – you will receive notification when any page on your watchlist is changed.)

Emphasis mine. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 21:25, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Ahh OK. That make a lot more sense. Thanks! ^U^ UB Blacephalon (talk) 21:29, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

2021 Pacific Hurricane Season

Should I make the page? ShibaInuDog2012 Weather (talk) 19:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@ShibaInuDog2012: The season does not begin until May 2021, so probably WP:TOOSOON RudolfRed (talk) 19:33, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

If the names have been announced, that might be worth a stub. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:38, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Music Criteria

Can someone with Nigeria Entertainment Awards to his name with verifiable source be qualified for a music criteria? BadEdithor (talk) 06:49, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi BadEdithor. Are asking whether you can create a Wikipedia article about someone who has won a Nigeria Entertainment Award? If that's what you're asking, then possibly per item 8 of WP:MUSICBIO; however, it would depend on whether the NEA would be considered a major award by the Wikipedia comunity. It probably would be better if the person you want to create an article about also satisfied some other of the MUSICBIO criteria and you could show that they received WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources for such things. Maybe try asking about this at WP:NIGERIA or WP:MUSICIAN to see what some others might think. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:25, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

OK thanks for your feedback, I will ask nowBadEdithor (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

BadEdithor, Draft:Omah Lay has an extensive history of paid editing and socking. One contributor I noticed, though, Obiorah Precious Oby, is a Library Studies student and seems competent. You may want to collaborate with them on fixing the draft.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:18, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Quisqualis, this time around, it isn't Omah Lay anymore, his name is Deshinor, he's won the NEA awards, so I wanted to know if the award won by the subject with a reliable source to back it up can make him stand as an article. Also the subject was featured in a chart topping song in the country. BadEdithor (talk) 18:20, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

BadEdithor, when you submit your draft article, other editors will probably scrutinize the award article as well, and if it does not stand up to scrutiny, this could affect whether your subject is notable. So, be sure that you are successful in finding the media coverage in major Nigerian (and non-Nigerian) publications to support his notability.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback Quisqualis, how do I know if the award qualifies for the music category as it received verifiable coverage. BadEdithor (talk) 19:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

BadEdithor, not sure what you mean; your best bet is to find solid sources for his receipt of the reward and anything else about him.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, noted. BadEdithor (talk) 21:42, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

What is the purpose of an Oversight block?

I understand what the purpose of a CheckUser block is; to block sockpuppeteers, but what is the purpose of an Oversight block? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 23:25, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@JJPMaster: According to Wikipedia:Oversight#Oversight_blocks it is a block that is based on information only an Oversighter can see. RudolfRed (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

How I can edit my profile?

Picture Problem

How I can edit my profile? Then how can i add a picture in profile? Give me best code,Please! Md Shuyaib Islam (talk) 04:28, 25 December 2020 (UTC)Md Shuyaib Islam

@Md Shuyaib Islam:, if by your profile you mean your user page, you edit it or add a picture there the same way you would anywhere else. See Help:Introduction to images with VisualEditor/1, or the parallel page if you're using Wiki Markup. Keep in mind that many Wikipedia contributors prefer to remain pseudonymous, so don't jeopardize your privacy if that's something you want to preserve. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Looking at your profile, you say you're 15 years old. Given that, I would definitely advise you against adding a picture of yourself to your profile. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:16, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if relevant enough to warrant an edit?

I was reading the wiki article on the Last Universal Common Ancestor and was wondering if it was worth linking in how it was referenced in the Nightwish band song Endless Forms Most Beautiful (song) that they collaborated with the evolutionary biologist and author Richard Dawkins

The reason i Ask is I hadn't even heard of this theory until the nightwish song and read what LUCA meant when looking up what LUCA meant as I was curous about it purely due to the song?

If it is worth adding, where do I add it? Or can someone who knows how to edit a wiki do it? I would but I have no clue how to do it Skipsophrenic (talk) 22:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Skipsophrenic, some articles do have an "in popular culture" section, but that wouldn't really fit at Last Universal Common Ancestor, so I'd say the song probably doesn't warrant a mention at the ancestor page. However, I would say that the ancestor page should probably be linked somewhere from the page for the song.

Regarding how to edit, I left a message on your talk page with general advice. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:22, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

No question

125.25.191.96 (talk) 03:57, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

No answer. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:17, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

No further snarky comment. Le Panini ^[🥪] 06:29, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!

Just want to say a massive thank you to everyone who has been here helping out through this rough year. Merry Christmas! Hope you have/had a great Christmas. Neon (Talk) 01:15, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Neon Richards for your very kind words. The Teahouse would like to wish you a merry Christmas as well. Check out my Christmas wishes in the section T'was The Night Before Wikimas.... Wikipedians have said positive things about my poem. Interstellarity (talk) 01:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate the sentiment, and intent really goes very far. Please just note that some of us are Pastafarians, others of us give thanks to the IPU, Jehovah 1 and Eris. Anyway, may the reflection off Russell's Teapot light your way, and always remember that colorless green ideas sleep furiously.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:41, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I, for one, celebrate The Great Pumpkin during this blessed time. Le Panini ^[🥪] 06:31, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

T'was The Night Before Wikimas...

'Twas the night before Wikimas, when all through the Teahouse
Not an editor was stirring, not even a mouse.

The references had been inserted by users with care,
In hopes that St. Jimbo^[who?] soon would be there.

Most editors were nestled all snug by their beds,^[relevant?]
While visions of new articles danced in their heads.
When out from a keyboard there arose such a clatter
I sprang to my screen to see what was the matter...

read on...

Click to continue reading

...When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but a question on sources and how to use them well here.
More rapid than eagles these questioners came,
And the hosts from the Teahouse welcomed each one by name.

Reindeers #1 to #3 (left to right):
em Dasher; Images and Actrial

Reindeers #4 to #6 (left to right):
Patrolled; Users and IPs

"Now, em Dasher! Now, Images!
Now, Actrial! Now, Patrolled!
On, Users! On, IPs!
On, Young and on, Old!
To the top of each article, be it long, short or tall,
Now, type away, type away, type away all!"^{[This quote needs a citation]}

As dry words that before an old dictionary fly,
when they meet with a synonym, mount to the sky,^{[citation needed]}
So, onto these articles the edits they flew,
With a sleigh full of facts, and citations, too.

And then in a twinkling, I saw on the page
Our wiki-creator: a man of great age.^{[dead link]}
As I checked it on Commons and was turning around,
Down my router St. Jimbo came in with a bound.

Over 6 million articles he had flung on his back,
And he looked like most users with the editing knack.
His eyes – how they twinkled! slightly square – but how merry!
Too much editing, folks, had turned his nose red like a cherry!^{[medical citation needed]}
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard on his chin was as white as the snow.^{[citation needed]}

A wink of his eye and a twist of his head
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread.
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his editing,
And filled bare urls; did sourcing and crediting
And confirming notability with a tap on his nose,
And pressing "Publish changes", back up my modem he rose.

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew, leaving me to my epistle.^{[anachronism]}
But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he drove out of sight,
"Happy Editing to all, and to all users a good night!"

(with grudging acknowledgement to Clement C. Moore, 1823.)

...Seasonal greetings to all at the Teahouse. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:24, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Here is my Christmas greeting to the Teahouse:

This year, many people had COVID to fear,

The holidays are getting near,

One thing that will be clear,

We will still have holiday cheer,

Happy holidays and happy new year!!

From Interstellarity (talk) 22:31, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

It was all quiet down at the Teahouse,
With nary a burning question to douse,
The hosts stood like deer,
Awaiting the new year,
Waiting for new users to espouse.

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 01:49, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hahaha this is great! Seasons greetings to all! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:25, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, this is my voicemail. If you're getting this, that means I'm doing stuff IRL, which may come as a surprise to Wikipediholics. Please leave a message after the beep. Le Panini ^[🥪] 06:33, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Two questions but are related to each other

I have just received this message by a bot on the Afrikaans Wikipedia even though I never edited that particular Wikipedia. Link. Why did I receive that particular message on that particular Wikipedia? Also, I received an email that I got that notification as well. I would like to turn that off. I know how to do on the English Wikipedia, but I would like to do it globally. If you can guide me in the right direction, that would be great. Interstellarity (talk) 21:01, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Interstellarity, go to your Preferences → Notifications and see what happens if you uncheck the "Show notifications from other wikis" option. I don't have a clue as to why you received a message on Afrikaans, though it seems like you were spotted by a bot for welcoming. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 21:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Try sending me a message on the Afrikaans Wikipedia and I'll tell you what happens. Interstellarity (talk) 22:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: I sent you a message there. Special:CentralAuth/Interstellarity shows your account on af.wikipedia.org was created 23:17, 23 December 2020 (UTC), probably because you viewed a page there while logged in to your unified account. Some wikis send welcome messages to new accounts with no edits. A bot welcomed you at af:User talk:Interstellarity. Just ignore it. I have a proposal at meta:Welcoming policy: "A wiki is only allowed to post welcome messages to users if their account was originally created at the wiki, or the user has at least one non-imported edit there." At Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-echo you can disable email notifications about talk page messages. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks for the help. Can you send me another message to confirm that the setting is working as intended. Interstellarity (talk) 22:29, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Done. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:31, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: It worked. Thanks for your help. Interstellarity (talk) 22:35, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, didn't see this earlier. Well it seems the issue has been resolved, and I received my own bot message on there as well. Jolly good. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 06:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

To post a biography of Albert Soiland, pioneering radiologist (1873-1946) and use images from unique sources

For example, from the archives of a private club that he founded, and from an heir . . . How can I attribute and use those? I know I can receive permissions from both sources. MartinKL1947 (talk) 02:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC) MartinKL1947 (talk) 02:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi MartinKL1947. You can find out more about images in Wikipedia:Image use policy, Wikipedia:Copyrights#Guidelines for images and other media files and c:Commons:Licensing; however, if you're referring to Draft:Albert Soiland then I think you might better for you to focus on trying improve the content (text) part of the draft first and leave the images until later. The draft is not going to be assessed based upon how many images it has, but rather on whether it's written in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Perhaps take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Help:Your first article, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view would be good places to start, but you might also want to look at some Wikipedia:Featured articles for examples of how Wikipedia articles are expected to be written. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello MartinKL1947. I think that Soiland is notable as a radiologist, a yachtsman and a philanthropist. Here is a New York Times article from when he died. Please read Your first article. You can use a low resolution non-free portrait of a person who is dead, according to the policy on non-free images. I suggest that you focus on writing properly referenced biographical text before worrying about additional images, which can be very complex if you are not the copyright holder. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

MartinKL1947, I have looked at your draft and it needs to be extensively rewritten to comply with the neutral point of view. Currently, it reads like a hagiography, and instead, you should write in a dry "just the facts" style. Let his accomplishments speak for themselves. Do not include anything that is not backed by a reference to a reliable source. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:36, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Delete the real estate purchases section, as has nothing to do with his notability. David notMD (talk) 07:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Approval of Article

Courtesy link: Draft:Raz Klinghoffer

Please do visit my draft. I have already submitted and got it declined because of lack of notability. But now my client has sent me the reference where it has been written about him. The references are Wikialpha and Everybodywiki. He is a musician and have not released an album, but has released a lot of songs in youtube. I need to know weather the given resources of Wikialpha and everybodywiki are enough George Maverick (talk) 06:39, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

George Maverick, welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for disclosing your affiliation to Klinghoffer. After taking a quick look at the references provided, some of them are not acceptable as they're user-generated content, like Wikialpha and Everybodywiki. Klinghoffer's official website is listed twice, and there's one to Serena Foster's for some reason. The reviewer is concerned that given the references currently provided, the draft would not meet Wikipedia's notability standards for musicians, and suggests looking for more reliable, secondary sources that significantly cover Klinghoffer. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 06:48, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

George Maverick: please have a look at WP:CSMN. Merry Christmas. --ColinFine (talk) 11:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Disintegration reviews

There is no professional review box on the cure's disintegration album page to my knowledge. Can anybody edit it in? Frystir0000 (talk) 12:51, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Disintegration (The Cure album). This has been a Featured Article for a long time, but from View history entries, appears many editors feel it continues to need tinkering. David notMD (talk) 12:53, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

References

I am trying to create references, but there are two references that link to different URLs, and they both say 1. Why is this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by D4135t~enwiki (talk • contribs) 14:37, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi D4135t~enwiki. I'm not sure what you mean. Draft:Orawan Paranang had no references when you posted here. After the post you added two references which have different numbers 1 and 2 when I view the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:01, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Bulleted list; bullet points

Has anyone suggested that a "bulleted list" came from "bullet list" (targets, target points that resemble a "hit list" since the dot represents a bullet hole in the back of a targeted gangster (FBI)? Otherwise, why use the word "bullet" which has only one meaning that is lead-filled (Pb), and not 'graphite pencil lead'(Cg). Is there any more research on this from antiquity? Dictionary

Search for a word bul·let /ˈbo͝olət/

Learn to pronounce

Filter definitions by topic See definitions in: All Weapons Sport Printing Cosmetics noun 1. a metal projectile for firing from a rifle, revolver, or other small firearm, typically cylindrical and pointed, and sometimes containing an explosive. Similar: ball shot slug lead

2. PRINTING a small symbol, such as a solid circle, printed just before a line of type, such as an item in a list, to emphasize it. Definitions from Oxford Languages Feedback

REF. www.wordsense.eu/bullet/

REMUDA 93225 174.134.154.181 (talk) 14:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you may have intended to post this sort of question at the language reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 15:18, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Help evaluating sources/new articles

Hello and happy holidays! I recently created a page for RareGuru, and it was reviewed by one reviewer then moved back to draft by another due to the opinion it does not have enough sources. I would like additional eyes on this and assistance/explanation on the sources I have found, as I believe they meet the criteria for being independent and credible and how I would go about getting more opinions on it to support this vs just moving it back, if others feel the same.

I was also working on another article for Thunder & Bolt, which I have not yet moved from draft status and am now hesitant since I am questioning whether my judgement/evaluation of sources is correct and would like input on this as well to avoid the same scenario.

Thank you. Mlepisto (talk) 17:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Sadly, RareGuru, the article has a promotional tone and only discusses what the app's creators have said about themselves. You need to have content which restates what reliable sources have said about it.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I will work on improving how I wrote it. This is just my natural style (and I am ESL so it can be challenging for me to get it right). What do you think about the isssue about the sources that was brought up on my talk page? That is my main concern. Your help is appreciated! Mlepisto (talk) 17:42, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Yust a note @Mlepisto: two of the refs (8 & 10) go to the instagram login page. Since instagram is not a reliable source, you are probbably better of searching for something different. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, RareGuru. At present, not a single one of the sources cited is independent of the subject. Those that at first sight might be are all based in interviews. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. Please also see WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@Mlepisto:, You need to have content which restates what reliable sources have said about RareGuru.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:59, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Further, @Mlepisto:, "I have worked as a freelance SEO with a number of clients." triggers our predatory instincts.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:03, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I understand, which is why I tried to explain on my talk page without violating confidentiality that I don't work with small orgs, further I have no clients who are app developers, which is relevant here and How low (if any) value the Wiki links are and that I will do the best I can to disclose any COI, such as the example on Talk:Exuma. I would think disclosure and Disclosing it broadly and attempting to explain this would be better than not. I don't even report/remove rampant Wiki link spam I find from competitors due to it being Possibly perceived as COI, although I have asked for guidance on that matter.

It seems RareGuru does not qualify. I can accept that. For further educational purposes, I would Appreciate input on Thunder & Bolt. My motivation here is based my personal interest in medicine, disease, and this young individual seems to be worthy of note, but as I said and have here been shown, I may not be understand the criteria of sources due to my own confusion.

Thank you. Mlepisto (talk) 19:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Refs 5-10 don't help, as Wikipedia does not consider own websites, blogs, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. as contributing to notability. Ditto for interviews, albeit not a likelihood for Thunder and Bolt. David notMD (talk) 20:00, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I thought that while they aren't considered to adding to notability, references like that would be appropriate to provide proof of the accounts. Would it just be better to list them in External links like some companies have? Or should they just be omitted? Do you think Thunder & Bolt would qualify based on the other sources so far? I was kind of 2/3 way through this when the other one was moved back, and I don't have a problem digging for more as I recall seeing some other features, but at the same time I don't want to spend a bunch of time on something that might just end up being fruitless. Thank you. Mlepisto (talk) 15:47, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

old - new article

I was asked by a new editorto help him with an article on Draft:Tuvia Ruebner, a leading Israeli poet. His first draft had been rejected for publication, and was, indeed, flawed. I cleaned it up, deleted a lot of editorial stuff, and resubmitted it for publication. However, I now realize that there is already a stub article about Ruebner, Tuvya Ruebner (I had missed it because his first name was spelled differently.)

So the question is, does this article really have to go through the new article review process, or can I simply replace the existing stub with the expanded article?

Thanks for your help,

Ravpapa (talk) 15:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC) Ravpapa (talk) 15:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Ravpapa, and welcome to the Teahouse! I've just declined the draft - now you can merge the content of this draft to the existing article. Afterwards, you can ask the original creator of the draft page to mark the draft page for deletion using {{db-self}}. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 15:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the lightning response! Ravpapa (talk) 16:02, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft article has been reported for speedy deletion

I need help with publishing an article on Wikipedia. It has been reported for speedy deletion Anikesh5 (talk) 15:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Anikesh5, the question you asked here is the only one made by this account. What draft are you referring to? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 16:00, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Anikesh5, your draft (Draft:Sneha Rakesh) was deleted because an editor thought that its content sole purpose was to promote something and an administrator agreed. This was done under criteria G11. Pahunkat (talk)

Once a draft (or article) has been subjected to Speedy deletion by an Administrator it disappears from Wikipedia and also your own editing history. Your only option to recovering content is to contact the editor who deleted it. David notMD (talk) 17:03, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Anikesh5. As well as being overtly promotional, your deleted draft was a copyright violation, since it included material copied from two other websites. That is not permitted. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Anikesh5. I took a look at the draft, and, noting its extreme promotional language —

— Examples of such promotional content

A neutral encyclopedia article would never say things, for example, like:

"...an innovation-driven client-centric organization..."^[1]

or

"...is a proactive and committed one stop solution delivering Influencer marketing, Digital Marketing, and Public Relation inbound marketing agency..."^[2])

References

^ Sohini A. "Company Profile: Akarmaxs Tech Pvt. Ltd". Freelancer.com. Retrieved December 24, 2020.
^ TiP -The Influence Pro Marketing and Advertising. "About us". LinkedIn. Retrieved December 24, 2020.

as well as other hallmarks of copying from involved primary sources, I have now noted in the logs for the deleted page that it was a copyright violation of [at least] these sources. I will post a note about this on your talk page. If any article is possible on this subject, it must be written in your own words, and in neutral language. Please note that this draft cannot be undeleted because of the copying issue.

Also, because proposed articles like this are almost never posted except by insiders, please comply with our mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements before editing further. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g., by posting to your user page the following: {{paid|user=Anikesh5|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}.

Also, if any new draft is created by you, please post a filled-out {{subst:connected contributor (paid)}} template to its talk page. Regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

EISENBERG Paris page / cancellation of draft

Dear Sir or Madam,

My last article draft was removed as "promotional/ advertising content" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenberg_Paris

I kindly ask for your help as I don't understand what promotional is in this text - all facts indicated there are REAL and PROVEN (not advertising exaggeration or just senseless description):

- facts about the founder/owner of the brand and his main steps to develop the brand - original names of existing lines within our brand / years of launching + its general action to understand what these lines are about. - names of awards received from different media (with links / proves)

There were no "advertising" description, just proven real facts which are important to give general information about the brand, its history and development. All facts are proven with links.

Please, advise, what is advertising criteria and what information about the brand is allowed for publication?

Thank you very much in advance. Malfoyn (talk) 14:16, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Malfoyn: I assume you refer to Special:Diff/995883078/prev by 185.165.160.150. On Wikipedia, advertising has a broader meaning than usual it not only refers to big coloured "By"-Buttons, but also other peacock terms such as "high-end stores" or "high tech innovation" Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Malfoyn. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. --ColinFine (talk) 18:09, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Reference Sources.

Hi there!!! I have created a article and is ready to get published. I have got the permission to use the contents as references of my client's Website, which is mentioned in my User page. Please do let me know that which is the non- reliable source of the mentioned resources. But to my knowledge, all the resources are truly reliable and is not been mentioned for a Self- promoting purpose. Looking forward to hear from you!!!

Thanking You, George Maverick George Maverick (talk) 16:10, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Raz Klinghoffer was already Declined once, which history you erased by recreating the draft. The draft has been submitted, and as it says in the draft box, it is in the pile of 3,000+ drafts waiting for review. That said, in my opinion it will be Declined again, if not outright Rejected. Your references - an interview, his website - do not qualify toward establishing Wikipedia notability. What is needed is stuff written about him by people with no connection to him. David notMD (talk) 17:10, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, George Maverick. Your reference to "permission to use the contents" shows that you still do not understand how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is not interested in whether your client wants an article about them (or doesn't), or what they want to see in such an article. Their website can be referenced only in the limited ways allowed for primary sources, but "permission" is not relevant. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. Your repeated demands to get published give a strong impression that you are not here to build an encyclopedia, but to promote your client. --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi George Maverick. I have deleted the draft as a blatant copyright violation. I was initially going to attempt to remove each infringement with a note, and leave the draft up, as pared down to next to nothing with the decline in place, but it quickly became clear that it was impossible–your direct copying and [far too] close parphrasing from multiple sources, as intertwined and existing from first edit forward, made it unsalvageably tainted. I will leave a note about this on your talk page. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:41, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I should probably stop asking questions here, but...

Is it possible to be a bureaucrat but not an admin at the same time? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 20:46, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello JJPMaster. It is theoretically possible to be a bureaucrat without being an administrator, but is highly unlikely in practice. It is a position with stringent standards and performing administrative work is the only practical way to show that a candidate is qualified. See Wikipedia:Bureaucrats for complete details. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:57, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi again JJPMaster. Questions are always welcome. Keep asking! (trolling by asking non-good faith questions, designed to waste our time, has occasionally happened and is really the only exception I can think of—which has nothing to do with your questions).

Yes, it is possible. As per the opening sentence of Wikipedia:Bureaucrats: "Bureaucrats are Wikipedia users, usually administrators...," (emphasis mine). That language cannot but admit of a "yes" to your question (if accurate – of course administrative pages sometimes misstate things). But couple that with the fact that the requirements for becoming a bureaucrat have no administrator-status, condition precedent (see also WP:RFB) and the answer in the affirmative becomes clear. Whether anyone has ever actually become a bureaucrat, without first attaining the admin flag, is a different question (I don't know the answer). However, it seems not very likely—because of the nature of attaining the position, would normally require that prior experience—as proof in the pudding. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit, thank you, but, what does (e/c) mean? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 21:09, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JJPMaster: it means edit conflict - which quite often happens when answering on this page. Fuhghettaboutit didn't have to add it, but did so to show that they had been editing at the same time as Cullen, so there might be overlap in their answers. --ColinFine (talk) 21:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Images

How do i know if an image is in the public domain and I'm allowed to put it into an article? Mekeit (talk) 22:06, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mekeit. The vast majority of images you find online are restricted by copyright. You need solid evidence that an image is in the public domain. All images published before 1925 are public domain due to the copyrights expiring. Images created by employees of the U.S. federal government in connection with their job duties are public domain. Wikimedia Commons has millions of freely licensed inages that you can use. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:22, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Review my article.

Hi, I need my aricle to get reviwed, please do it fast. George Maverick (talk) 11:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@George Maverick: Our reviewers are volunteers, and there is an extensive backlog of submitted pages. We choose which articles to review based on our own personal references, which often prioritize pages where we see particular encyclopedic need. We do not prioritize pages where the author makes entitled demands that we move their page to the front of the line. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 11:43, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

(Most) Teahouse hosts are not reviewers. After Draft:Raz Klinghoffer was Declined on 25 Dec you made minor changes and resubmitted. In the yellow submitted box, says "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,649 pending submissions waiting for review." That is the reality. David notMD (talk) 11:47, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@George Maverick: So you are being paid to promote your client here, which is not what Wikipedia is here for. Now, you're demanding that we, unpaid volunteers, help you do so. Right. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:04, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Note: draft has been speedily deleted as G12 – unsalvageable copyright infringement. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:08, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

[Flora-1] Willmot, A.; Moyes, N. (2015). The Flora of Derbyshire. Pisces Publications. ISBN 978-1-874357-65-0.

[2] Sohini A. "Company Profile: Akarmaxs Tech Pvt. Ltd". Freelancer.com. Retrieved December 24, 2020.

[3] TiP -The Influence Pro Marketing and Advertising. "About us". LinkedIn. Retrieved December 24, 2020.

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