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Your RFC on commas at WT:DYK

Hi, it's been almost 2 weeks without comment. The way to close an RFC is to ask an uninvolved administrator to take care of it. They will determine consensus and close accordingly. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 01:59, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Yoninah: I have already requested a close --DannyS712 (talk) 02:01, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that. But that's not how you do it, and only an administrator can close it. You have to ask them directly on their talk page. Among the administrators familiar with DYK who didn't participate in the discussion are Vanamonde93, Casliber, Alex Shih, and Anarchyte. Best, Yoninah (talk) 02:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I'm sorry, but what do you mean that "only an administrator can close it"? If that's the case, I'll move it to the proper section of WP:ANRFC, but AFAIK non-admins are allowed to close RfCs. Also, that page is labeled as the place for posting requests to have an uninvolved editor assess, summarize, and formally close a discussion on Wikipedia. Formal closure by an uninvolved editor or administrator should be requested where consensus remains unclear, where the issue is a contentious one, or where there are wiki-wide implications, such as when the discussion is about creating, abolishing or changing a policy or guideline. How is that "not how you do it?" --DannyS712 (talk) 02:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realize your note at WT:DYK was directing to WP:ANI; you asked for an "experienced editor" to help out. It's been five days since you posted that request. My experience is that the quickest way to get action is to request a DYK administrator to do it; they probably have been watching the discussion play out and are familiar enough with DYK rules to give a quick assessment. Yoninah (talk) 02:15, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: There is a backlog at ANRFC, but again, what do you mean that "only an administrator can close it"? Out of an abundance of caution, I posted to the centralized location where all closure requests usually go, so that it wouldn't seem that I chose the admin specifically because of how I thought they might close. (Silly, I know, but see the conversation about the example I used for the RfC) --DannyS712 (talk) 02:18, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

I was just sharing my experience. Both times I launched an RfC (and was laughed at for the way I formulated the question), I asked two different DYK administrators to close it, and they did it promptly. I know nothing else about the process. Best, Yoninah (talk) 02:21, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Thanks. I'll give it a couple more days, and then maybe ask an admin at random --DannyS712 (talk) 02:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Baldwin Academy, Patna

Hi, I have made required changes. Can you please re-review this draft. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.171.160.28 (talk) 14:17, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Done --DannyS712 (talk) 18:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

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CfD closure

Thanks for closing this discussion! For info, when closing a discussion you are also supposed to remove the tags on the category page and to add an 'old CFD' template on the category talk page. More details see the CfD closure instructions. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@Marcocapelle:

Done I added tags to each of the pages. Sorry, I used the XfD closer and I thought it did that automatically. Thanks for the reminder --DannyS712 (talk) 19:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #351

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

Events
- Past: Linking OpenStreetMap and Wikidata at FOSDEM

Press, articles, blog posts
- Paper: Discovering Implicational Knowledge in Wikidata

Other Noteworthy Stuff
- There is now an experimental SPARQL service to query Wikidata history

Did you know?

Development
- Working on the "in more languages" and "all entered languages" parts of the termbox on mobile
- Working on making undo, revert, edit summaries and more work for Shape Expressions
- Fixed an error when detecting the same label and description in another Item (phabricator:T194770, thanks Matěj)
- Making Lemma input on Lexeme pages save your input when you press enter (phabricator:T206140)
- Making QuickStatements work more easily for other Docker-powered Wikibase instances (phabricator:T205606)
- Worked more on making Federation work for making Statements on Wikimedia Commons (phabricator:T214557)
- Working on stripping whitespaces at the beginning and end of Glosses when saving them (phabricator:T212019)
- Looking into adding more signals to ORES' vandalism detection model so we can detect bad edits more accurately (phabricator:T194737)
- Preventing a redirect of an Entity onto itself (phabricator:T214775)
- Fixed an issue with adding sitelinks from Wikimedia Commons (phabricator:T213975)
- Unified the separators between language and lexical category in different places (phabricator:T201808)

Monthly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
- Suggested and open tasks!
- Contribute to a Showcase item.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
- Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
- Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 20:32, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

RDs

Just a quick query, are you going to be nominating half a dozen RDs per day? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: No, I normally nominate one (at most). Its just that I saw a bunch, and nominated the 5 that looked mostly okay. I know that just nominating articles, even if they don't end up getting posted, increases their visibility and usually helps improve them. Did I do something wrong? --DannyS712 (talk) 21:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

I was just curious, it was out-of-ordinary behaviour. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Sorry. You're right - it is out-of-ordinary, including for me :) --DannyS712 (talk) 22:01, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

I didn't know there was such a thing as an "ordinary" editor. I've pretty much assumed from the start that you are all nutz.

— The Transhumanist 03:59, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist: Point taken --DannyS712 (talk) 04:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Flow to market

Thank you for notifying me of the proposed deletion of this article.

I don't really edit Wikipedia anymore, so I won't be expressing an opinion either way.

Best,

Andrew Gradman ^talk/_WP:Hornbook 23:50, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@Agradman: No problem --DannyS712 (talk) 23:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Precious

scripts, templates & more

Thank you for Alabama v. North Carolina, SCI footer, {{Alabama-election-stub}}, {{Mississippi-election-stub}}, {{Maine-election-stub}}, and more. Thanks for various helpful scripts, content reviewing, the scripts newsletter, and always being helpful!- you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 00:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Eddie891: Wow thank you so much. I'm just happy to help --DannyS712 (talk) 00:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Whew that response time blew my socks off! But in all seriousness its great to see a (unless I'm mistaken) relatively new user contributing well, and wish you the best of luck in editing! Feel free to ask me for any advice you may need Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 00:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Eddie891: Well I was in the middle of looking for something to edit (I'm addicted to wikipedia) and I saw your message. You're not mistaken - I am a "relatively new user," and I'm glad that my contributions have been well received. Thanks for the encouragement, and I'll be sure to reach out if I need any help. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 00:08, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Katharina Lindner

On 12 February 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Katharina Lindner, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Christine Kay

Would you help me expand this page for DYK? We only need to reach 3900 characters to qualify. She died on Feb 5 but we missed it at ITN. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:52, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: Sure, I can try --DannyS712 (talk) 04:53, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Sources: [1][2][3]. Minor mentions: [4][5]. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:59, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: And [6]. Link 3 (adweek) requires a subscription, so I can't help with that --DannyS712 (talk) 05:03, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

"Christine+Kay""Christine+Kay" --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:17, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

New Adweek link: [7]. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:29, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: Thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 05:31, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

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AFC/R

Hi, you mentioned me in an AFC discussion for the end of medium character but I can't find it so I figured I'd explain here. Before salting existed, we used this janky hack with cascading protection to do the same thing. Once salting was introduced, I used a bot to migrate all the old lists to the modern log system. So I really have no idea why that page was salted in the first place. :P — east718 | talk | 22:45, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

I have found the old lists at Wikipedia:Protected titles/Historical. So your answer is hiding somewhere in there. — east718 | talk | 22:52, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@East718: The request was removed, see this version of the page. Thanks for the explanation --DannyS712 (talk) 23:07, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Well I have to thank you anyway for the trip down memory lane. Thank God we don't have to do dumb stuff like this anymore. — east718 | talk | 04:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@East718: Reading that just made my day

--DannyS712 (talk) 04:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Filter highlighter

Actually, I was going to ask you if you thought the CSS could be improved. I basically made that for people without private-filter privileges, because I always found that "You may not view details of this filter because it is hidden from public view." really annoying when there is public information about every filter (actions, last editor, number of hits, etc.) I'm trying to pack a lot of information into a small space with causing an obnoxious text shift. (And I'm not a graphic design type, to put it mildly...) So, any suggestions are welcome, or if you think you've come up with something really good, you can even just edit the unprotected copy, and if the doc page looks better, I'll sync it with the main version. If not, I'll revert. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Suffusion of Yellow: Sorry, didn't mean to jump the gun. If you add a user-rights check to the javascript, I can try to make a class to hide the private ones from people who can't read them. Either way, its still great --DannyS712 (talk) 01:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Why would we want to hide it? There's valuable information in the tooltip for every user (yes? I checked in an alt account, and it seemed to work), and the red border should prevent you from clicking on the link by accident. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Suffusion of Yellow: I made another CSS class (see the page you linked to). For checking if the user can view private filters, I suggest modifying the code from User:Evad37/XFDcloser/v3.js:

if ( !config.mw.wgUserGroups.includes('extendedconfirmed') && !config.mw.wgUserGroups.includes('sysop') ) { console.log('[XFDcloser] User is not extendedconfirmed or sysop'); return; }

--DannyS712 (talk) 01:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm still not clear as to why that would help. The user knows what groups they are in (I hope), and will soon learn what the red border means: "Don't click here" if they're not privileged, or "Stop flapping your jaw" if they are. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:25, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Suffusion of Yellow: Yeah, but the border is a lot harder to notice than graying it out imo --DannyS712 (talk) 01:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

OK, I'll put in the change next time I modify the JS. Should help colorblind people anyway. And if someone puts this in their global.js (haven't tried that yet, may not work!), they may not remember what their rights are on the local wiki. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:54, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Suffusion of Yellow: True. Thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 01:56, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Closure

Cheers Danny, that's autocorrect for you! doktorb _words^deeds 08:57, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Doktorbuk: no problem, but it wasn't just the {{about}}. Usually, the closure template is put below the section heading, you put it above; while that is okay, you put it on the same line as the header, which stopped it from working. Just an fyi, its no problem

--DannyS712 (talk) 08:59, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Aaah. I used to be around ITN more often, touch rusty :) doktorb _words^deeds 09:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Doktorbuk: Yeah, you might want to review how to CLOSE[D] ITN nominations --DannyS712 (talk) 09:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Mass message sender – timestamp on messages

Hi. I'm relatively new to the MMS thing and thought I would share a little knowledge about that error message: "Your message does not include a timestamp or signature. This may prevent page archiving by bots."

Some of the bots which archive talk pages do so by the timestamp; if a section doesn't have a time stamp it will never get moved to an archive page and thus the main talk page could fill up with old newsletters (or whatever the mass message might be, but from habit I'm calling them "newsletters"). (Incidentally, if you want to keep a message or useful links at the top of your talk page, don't time stamp it and it won't get archived.)

A lot of people who write newsletters, though, won't sign with the four tildes, and it can also be a little misleading since that will be the time they saved the newsletter, not the time the newsletter was sent.

The advice I received was to manually add four tildes ~~~~ at the end of the message window at Special:MassMessage. This will timestamp for the time the newsletter was sent, with the sender being User:MediaWiki message delivery. This will appear outside of the newsletter box, if any. (Preview to make sure it looks alright.) Users can follow that link if they have issues with the delivery method or wish to global unsubscribe from mass messages. You can alternatively use something like <small>Sent by ~~~ on behalf of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject]] at ~~~~~.</small>

Just passing along some advice I received, FYI. Happy editing! – Reidgreg (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: Thanks for the tip! --DannyS712 (talk) 17:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Another tip: mailing lists can be a page with user names, user talk pages, or a combination. This is described at mw:Help:Extension:MassMessage : Note that the default configuration will automatically convert all User pages into User talk pages - If you specify "User:Foo" in a delivery list, the message will be posted to "User talk:Foo". A user category can also be used. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:34, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: Oh, cool. Thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 15:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 02:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Suffusion of Yellow: Ah, I see. Thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 02:16, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:TheWikiWizard/February 2019 (Special Editon)

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Hello, DannyS712! Here is the February 2019 (Special Edition) issue of TheWikiWizard.

What's Hot! (Votes Needed! Happy Valentines and Chinese New Year!)
Articles (Tips and More!)
Editor's Notes (Saving TWW from Deletion.....)
Activity Page (Fun Activities)
Ads (Ads)

Hope you like this month's issue! If you'd like to discuss this issue, please go to this issue's talk page. Happy Reading! --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:49, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: All of the links are redirects to redirects... --DannyS712 (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Ah Shit, that's because the page might have had an move error, please stand by...... --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:52, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Resolved

Sorry for the Inconvenience, but it's fixed now! --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:54, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: Thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 02:55, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

RE: Closing Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Indefinitely semiprotecting the refdesk...

I am working on it now at User:MattLongCT/sandbox2 if you would like to share your thoughts or give suggestions. Now that I am back to working on this, I would still like to co-close with you! :D ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 04:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@MattLongCT: Sorry, I'm leaving town tomorrow for a week, so I don't think I'm the right choice. But, if you want to be really WP:BOLD, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested/Archive 13#Testing an idea. Basically, you could semi-protect the refdesks (not allow !confirmed users to edit) while allowing them to try to edit (and record the attempt, like pending-changes) without using pending changes or creating the mess that results from highly trafficked pages. Just an idea --DannyS712 (talk) 05:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

DannyS712 I will certainly keep that in mind! Many thanks for all your support so far as well! ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 05:04, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

The refdesks are saved. Woohoo! My faith in the community is restored.

— The Transhumanist 08:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #029, 13 Feb 2019

Where we are at:

Single-page portals: 4,704

Total portals: 5,705

The Ref desks survived the proposal to shut them down

You might be familiar with the Ref desks, by their link on every new portal. They are a place you can go to ask volunteers almost any knowledge-related question, and have been a feature of Wikipedia since August of 2005 (or perhaps earlier). They were linked to from portals in an effort to improve their visibility, and to provide a bridge from the encyclopedia proper to project space (the Wikipedia community).

Well, somebody proposed that we get rid of them, and the community decided that that was not going to happen. Thank you for defending the Ref desks!

Here's a link to the dramatic discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Indefinitely_semiprotecting_the_refdesk#Proposal_II:_Shut_down_the_Ref_Desks

The cleanup after sockpuppet Emoteplump continues...

The wake of disruption left by Emoteplump and the admins who reverted many (but not all) of his/her edits is still undergoing cleanup. We could use all the help we can get on this task...

Almost all of the speedy deleted portals have been rebuilt from scratch.

For the portals he/she restarted (many of which were done mistakenly, overwriting restarts and further development that had already been done), and/or tagged as the maintainer, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Emoteplump&oldid=881568794#Additional_Portals_under_my_watch

10,000 portals, here we come...

We're at 5,705 portals and counting.

New portals since issue #28

Prior to 2018, for the previous 14 years, portal creation was at about 80 portals per year on average. We did over 3 times that in just the past 9 days. At this rate, we'll hit the 10,000 portal mark in 5 months. But, I'm sure we can do it sooner than that.

What's next for portal pages?

There are 5 drives for portal development:

Create new portals
Expand existing portals, such as with new sections like Recognized content
Convert or restart old-style portals into automated single-page portals
Link to new portals from the encyclopedia
Pageless portals

Let's take a closer look at these...

1: Creating new portals

Portal creation, for subjects that happen to have the necessary support structures already in place, is down to about a minute per portal. The creation part, which is automated, takes about 10 seconds. The other 50 seconds is taken up by manual activities, such as finding candidate subjects, inspecting generated portals, and selecting the portal creation template to be used according to the resources available. Tools are under development to automate these activities as much as possible, to pare portal creation time down even more. Ten seconds each is the goal.

Eventually, we are going to run out of navigation templates to base portals off of. Though there are still thousands to go. But, when they do run out, we'll need an easy way to create more. A nav footer creation script.

Meanwhile, other resources are being explored and developed, such as categories, and methods to harvest the links they contain.

2: Expanding existing portals

The portal collection is growing, not only by the addition of new portals, but by further developing the ones we already have, by...

Improving and/or adding search parameters to better power the Did you know and In the news sections.
Adding more selected content sections, like Selected biographies.
Adding and maintaining Recognized content sections, via JL-Bot.
Adding pictures to the image slideshow.
Adding panoramic pics.
Categorizing portals.

More features will be added as we dream them up and design them. So, don't be shy, make a wish.

3: Converting old portals

By far the hardest and most time-consuming task we have been working on is updating the old portals, the very reason we revamped this WikiProject in the first place.

There are two approaches here:

A) Restart a portal from scratch, using our automated tools. For basic no-frills portals, that works find. But, for more elaborate portals, as that tends to lose content and features, the following approach is being tried...

B) Upgrade a portal section by section, so little to nothing is lost in the process.

4: Linking to new portals

Or "portal deorphanization"...

Dreamy Jazz Bot is purring along.

And a tool in the form of a script is under development for linking to portals at the time they are created, or shortly thereafter.

5...

See below...

New WikiProject for the post-saved-portal phase of operations...

Saved portals, are portals with a saved page.

What is the next stage in the evolutionary progression?

Quantum portals.

What are quantum portals?

Portals that come into existence when you click on the portal button, and which disappear when you leave the page.

Or, as Pbsouthwood put it:

...portals that exist only as a probability function (algorithm) until you collapse the wave form by observing through the portal button (run the script), and disappear again after use...

Introducing...

Wikipedia:WikiProject Quantum portals (see it's talk page).

Keep on keepin' on

...'til next time, — The Transhumanist 10:18, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist: ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --DannyS712 (talk) 10:21, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand your question. Why the question mark? — The Transhumanist 10:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist: Scroll up - duplicated update --DannyS712 (talk) 10:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I sent it to you manually, in case you wanted to proofread it, before sending it to the mailing list, which I forgot to remove you from temporarily. — The Transhumanist 10:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Protected SAG Infotech Page

{{ I created a page for SAG Infotech and I made some mistakes, I know the Wikipedia guidelines but unfortunately it happens. You have protected the SAG info tech page. I am requesting you to remove this page from the protection. I will create a new page as soon as possible considering Wiki Pedia Guidelines. I hope you understand the situation. Looking forward to hearing from you soon.}}

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivkumawat (talk • contribs) 06:19, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@Shivkumawat: Unfortunately, I was not the one to protect the creation of the page. The user that did that was @DGG. However, before you request creation I suggest you improve the draft that you made (Draft:SAG Infotech) in order to demonstrate its notability. If it is reviewed and the "rejection" is retracted, then its likely the protection would be removed. --DannyS712 (talk) 07:12, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:Bots

Module:Bots has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@Pppery: Thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 07:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Sam Bass (artist)

On 17 February 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Sam Bass (artist), which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Step hen 22:13, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 8, 2019)

Mixian rice noodles being cooked on a gas stove at a noodle restaurant in Kunming, Yunnan, China

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Wikidata weekly summary #352

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

Discussions
- Open request for adminship: NewDataB
- New request for comments: semi-protection to prevent vandalism on most used Items, Allow for Wikidata items to be created that only link to a single Wikimedia Commons category (Wikidata notability discussion)

Events
- February 19th: Wikidata meetup in London - Facebook event
- February 21st to 24th: International Mother Language Day edit-a-thon
- February 23rd: editathon about Parliament of Ghana in Accra - Registration
- March 28th: GLAM & Wikidata day in Switzerland (registration running until March 18th)

Press, articles, blog posts
- Let’s Tango: Computational Musicology Using Wikidata, MusicBrainz and the Wolfram Language, by Toni Schindler

Other Noteworthy Stuff
- Got some time? Add QIDs to the tools on Edit items, Query data, Enhance user interface, Visualize data, Lexicographical data, For programmers and List of properties. If some tools don't have their own Items, feel free to create them.
- Hardware issues at Toolforge and CloudVPS affect lots of tools and coincide with changes in the statement stats dynamics
- WikibaseCirrusSearch will become a Mediawiki extension
- You can still help Shani Evenstein with her research: Wikidata as a Learning Platform

Did you know?

Development
- Improve the tools dropdown on query.wikidata.org, which now links Tools categories and the Toolforge (phabricator:T214577)
- Implement the diff view for Schemas (phabricator:T214396, phabricator:T215514)
- Implement undo for Schemas (phabricator:T214914)
- Prevent redirecting an entity to itself (phabricator:T214775)
- Make pressing enter when editing a lemma save the lemma (phabricator:T206140)
- Strip whitespace around sense glosses (phabricator:T212019)
- Create LilyPond datatype (phabricator:T215284)
- More work to get the new version of the termbox readable on mobile

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Monthly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
- Suggested and open tasks!
- Contribute to a Showcase item.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
- Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
- Help write the next summary!

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Let’s Talk

What’s the reason of banning the account which is eligible of having the space on Wikipedia.

It’s not at all the issue with the name I have contributed may be some problem arised by few new wiki editors

Please sort out — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenifer Intiha (talk • contribs) 16:24, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jenifer Intiha: I'm afraid I don't understand what this is about - can you explain? --DannyS712 (talk) 20:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

You deleted my contribution

I had created an article about an artist but it was really surprising to see you deleted it. With out any reason ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenifer Intiha (talk • contribs) 22:50, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

You deleted my contribution

I had created an article about an artist but it was really surprising to see you deleted it. With out any reason ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenifer Intiha (talk • contribs) 22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jenifer Intiha: If you are referring to Draft:Jaan Nissar Lone, I'll note that I was not the one to delete it - it was deleted by @RHaworth, Bbb23, and Fastily for various reasons. At this point, there is nothing I can do to help you, but you seem to have recreated the draft. I'll note that, since the most recent deletions were under WP:G5, it may be deleted again, part of the reason I pinged the admins who deleted it --DannyS712 (talk) 01:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-08

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

When you thank someone on the mobile web you will now have two seconds to cancel the thank. This is in case you clicked on the thank button by accident. [8]

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 February. It will be on all wikis from 21 February (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 February at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

There is a proposal to add a red link to mobile search results if there is no page with that name. This is how it works on desktop. You can leave feedback. [9]

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ITN recognition for George Cawkwell

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Grabbing categories?

Is there an easy way to grab the categories that an article is in? That is, the category tags on an article? I was wondering if there was an API shortcut for this. — The Transhumanist 04:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist: See mw:API:Categories. Is there a script you want? --DannyS712 (talk) 04:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I thought you'd never ask.

See below. — The Transhumanist 20:05, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Script request

A menu item on the tools menu (tb) that appears while user is on a portal base page (not on a subpage). When the menu item is clicked, the script gets the non-hidden categories from the corresponding root article page, and appends them to the portal, minus duplicates. That is, it appends the subject categories from the article of the same name as the portal.

In addition to the above, the script should provide a pipe at the end of each category, so that the portal is sorted under the title and not "p" (for Portal). We don't want the portals displaying under "P".

Sounds like something you could program in 15 minutes. — The Transhumanist 19:50, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist: Probably. I'll try to get to it later today --DannyS712 (talk) 19:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Cool. — The Transhumanist 19:57, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Have you taken a look at this yet? It's doable, right? — The Transhumanist 08:34, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist: take a look at User:DannyS712 test/copycat.js for a start --DannyS712 (talk) 05:25, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

It is cool you are on the case. So, I tried it out on Portal:Astrology, but nothing happened. — The Transhumanist 07:32, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist: Open the console (f12) and it should print out the categories that Astrology is in. I could have it just add all of the those, but so far it doesn't edit because a: sort keys; b: consensus is needed; and c: do we really want to include every single category? (and d: detecting if the category is already on the portal's page) --DannyS712 (talk) 07:34, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

I'll try it and will get back to you. Thank you. — The Transhumanist 00:00, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Talk to us about talking

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Relisting low-participation AfD for 3rd time with no rationale

I noticed you relisted a low-participation no-!vote AfD discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HaLo) for the 3rd time without providing a rationale. Since even admins are discouraged from relisting for a third time, and the guidelines strongly suggest leaving a reason in any 3rd relist, I was hoping you could explain your reasoning for relisting the discussion rather than leaving it for an admin to close. Thanks. Bakazaka (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Ah, just noticed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beno Dorn and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tamko as well. Same request. Bakazaka (talk) 18:10, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@Bakazaka: I relisted the first 2 of them because they had absolutely no discussion. I added a rational for the third. --DannyS712 (talk) 18:32, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Low participation is a reason to leave it for an admin to close, since an admin can close it as "delete" by treating it as an expired PROD. Please do not relist low to no-participation AfDs a third time. See WP:RELISTBIAS for a helpful guide. Bakazaka (talk) 18:36, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@Bakazaka: Will (not) do. Sorry about that --DannyS712 (talk) 18:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Casting a deciding vote is more productive than relisting anything most of the time. But ya expired PROD like deletion is good too . Legacypac (talk) 19:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@Legacypac: Good to know --DannyS712 (talk) 19:24, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

What exactly is not "constructive" about my change?

What exactly is not "constructive" about my change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.10.41.142 (talk) 22:35, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

See WP:YOUTUBE --DannyS712 (talk) 22:44, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

That does not cover the change I made. Try again. 91.10.41.142 (talk) 22:55, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

It does. See the entire guideline on external links. But, if you still consider the video to be proper and add it back, I will not remove it --DannyS712 (talk) 22:56, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

It does not. You should stop using automatic editing tools, you are way to sloppy with them. 91.10.41.142 (talk) 22:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I disagree, but if you would like to request that an uninvolved administrator remove my rights, go right ahead. I believe that I did not misuse my rights, nor misuse semi-automatic editing tools --DannyS712 (talk) 23:09, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Dude, are you lawyering up? You should maybe start reflecting your actions, not putting up a defensive screen. 91.10.41.142 (talk) 23:25, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

See WP:ELNO - In other words, the site should not merely repeat information that is already or should be in the article. - I do not believe that the link was appropriate. I am not trying to "lawyer up"; we simply disagree, I agreed not to remove the link again, and yet you continue to argue about the link saying that I should stop using automatic editing tools since I am way to [sic] sloppy with them despite my explanation of how I considered the link to be improper. Even if we disagree, that doesn't make me "sloppy." Please assume good faith; I'm not lawyering up, I'm just trying to diffuse the situation. --DannyS712 (talk) 23:30, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

It's not, it's a source, and it does contain a lot that's not in the article. Maybe it "should", if you want to replace the article with a transcript. Actually, with a video, since visuals are important.

You still don't know what my problem really is, since it's obviously not what you have in mind. You have no interest in learning, so asking me never occurred to you. Well, maybe I misjudge you, so here is an opportunity to learn: You changed more than the Youtube link in your sloppy use of an automatic editing tool. 91.10.41.142 (talk) 23:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I apologize for adding the "e" back. I didn't see that when I was looking at the huggle page, and after I checked the youtube page and saw that, imo, it didn't meet the requirements for inclusion, I reverted the change. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding --DannyS712 (talk) 23:40, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

The Youtube video is advertising. It should have been removed. Legacypac (talk) 23:46, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

In what way is the Youtube video more advertising than any other source? 91.10.41.142 (talk) 00:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) To start with, the giant logo of the auction house in the background, and the bit at the end where he encourages viewers to visit the catalog of said auction house and buy the gun. Granted, he's not shouting "BUY NOW FOR ONLY 19.95" every minute, but it's still basically a subtle infomerical, IMO. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 00:46, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Bullshit. This is an auction three years ago, the guns are long sold. The video even mentions the prices. 91.10.4.115 (talk) 07:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm not inclined to add it, but you should feel free to bring it up on the talk page of the article --DannyS712 (talk) 22:33, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations~!!

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	For all your work that you do to while contributing to this project and mostly recently closing Help talk:Citation Style 1#RFC on publisher and location in cite journal. WP:ANRFC pretty much has no backlog because of your work! ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 23:54, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@MattLongCT: I think you have more to do with eliminating the backlog that I do, but thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 23:56, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Respectfully DannyS712, you pretty much do the best WP:GNOME work on this project. I also swear we should start a ~~cabal~~ joke cabal/Silly WikiProject with Levivich because all of us do a lot of {{NAC}} closings. We could call it like the Rouge NAC Closers. Also, your closings are generally for things that no one else would be willing to nor capable of doing. ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 00:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

@MattLongCT: I only do them because if I try to help with something more contentious, I'll be reminded that I've only been here for <6 months. But, any chance I can help with macedonia? I've been watchlisting it since day 1, but haven't contributed because I think I can aid in the closure, and I know nothing personally about macedonia. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:05, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

DannyS712, I recommend if you are in a position of helping to close it that you do a few things: (1) Read the Arbitration case history, talk page history, etc. [Everything you can, not about the subject of Macedonia, but how Wikipedia has interacted with it] (2) mask the names of users who've contributed when reading the main RfC [It helps avoid WP:UNDUE in your close since you may be biased by your relationships with certain editors] (I did this here [10] -- I did it by hand, but maybe you could make a userscript for it?), (3) re-read Wikipedia:Non-admin closure and pay special attention to WP:NACINV and WP:NACPIT, and (4) don't let other editors tell you that you are not experienced. I effectively have only 2 months of active experience on Wikipedia, but I closed the Refdesk RfC. You just gotta Be bold. ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 00:22, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

PS, not knowing anything about Macedonia will probably be considered a plus. (edit conflict) ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 00:24, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

@MattLongCT: Society of Non-Administrative Closers a.k.a. Snackers? Danny I just installed like half of your scripts – thanks! Leviv ich 02:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Levivich, you were doing this, too?! I was installing them right before you said that. Also, WP:Snackers sounds pretty nice tbh. Danny, what is the one that makes you close things so fast? ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 02:46, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

@MattLongCT: I mean, I'm going pretty slow. I'll try to make a script to help with masking the names of contributors, which should make contentious debates easier to close objectively, but other than than, idk --DannyS712 (talk) 03:27, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

@MattLongCT: Maybe a fork of User:Kephir/gadgets/unclutter would do it - even if it doesn't actually change the signatures, it would be pretty easy to hide them. I want to see if I can have it replace signatures with "EDITOR A" (b, c, etc) throughout the entirety of a discussion to make it clear when people refer to each other, but just blanking the signature should be trivial. --DannyS712 (talk) 03:44, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm very interested in what you come up with! ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 04:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

RFPP (protection levels)

I see you are kind of new on Wikipedia, and maybe I can help you figure out the protection levels.

First of all, there are very few Template Editors. Category:Wikipedia template editors. And what that means, is that when something is template-protected, only admins and those specific template-editors can edit something. RFC Template editor user right may also be helpful to see how this class of protection came about.

You might find Wikipedia:Protection policy helpful. There's a table there. Sometimes I have to go back and look at that table myself, because the different protections levels can be confusing.

I encourage your efforts to improve Wikipedia. Sometimes it's good to know how some of it all fits together. So keep up the good work. — Maile (talk) 00:59, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@Maile66: I've read through all of those - I'm not that new, and I like reading through the archives. I just thought that, in light of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive306#Bot proposal: automatically protect high-risk templates and modules, the templates and modules I added at RFPP could be pre-emptively protected for the same reasons. I realize that I made a mistake, and I'm sorry; thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 01:23, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

OK. You just showed me something new. I had not seen the Bot proposal you linked. Thanks for letting me know. — Maile (talk) 01:28, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@Maile66: Yeah, I just assumed that, since the BRFA has been filed and finished a trial (Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/MusikBot II 3), the consensus was that stuff like this could be protected (the original discussion didn't have an official close, so I'm just inferring the consensus) --DannyS712 (talk) 01:30, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Gatwick Airport drone incident

Hello! Your submission of Gatwick Airport drone incident at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:35, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset:

Done sorry it took so long --DannyS712 (talk) 04:54, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

User:Abelmoschus Esculentus/EFFPH

Hi Danny, you may be interested in this script. The dev version is at User:Abelmoschus Esculentus/EFFPH/dev.js. Please let me know if you have any suggestions or found any problems with it. Thanks. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 13:47, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@Abelmoschus Esculentus: Thanks - i'll check it out when I have time --DannyS712 (talk) 16:56, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@Abelmoschus Esculentus: when you moved the sandbox you didn't update the code to enable the script there. Also, could you add a "cancel" button, key shortcuts (ctrl-enter & esc) for both done and cancel, and maybe a preview options? Regardless, I'm sure the current script will be very useful. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 19:52, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Will do, maybe tomorrow. Thanks for your suggestions. The block function still needs to be tested by sysops (I don't know why this script doesn't work on testwiki where I'm a sysop). ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 14:41, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Abelmoschus Esculentus: No worries; thanks for the great script --DannyS712 (talk) 17:06, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Quick question

Why is it necessary for you to "review" pages in my userspace? {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 19:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@Pppery: its not really, but they show up in Special:NewPagesFeed like all user pages do, and so when I looked at your page I also marked it as reviewed so that another NPR wouldn't needed to look at it --DannyS712 (talk) 19:38, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Overwriting

Sorry about that Danny. Both my phone and tablet no longer work on Wikipedia as well as they used to, this new editing process is unworkable. doktorb _words^deeds 20:23, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@Doktorbuk: No problem, hope you get it sorted out --DannyS712 (talk) 20:24, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 9, 2019)

A cheeseburger at a restaurant

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nac

This seems hard to reconcile with the guideline that non-admins should not close potentially controversial AfDs. Not only were the !votes close, but there was canvassing involved and a hotly controversial topic at that. I don't think there's much chance of it being deleted, but I'd think any close would involve more detail/explanation than just keep or delete, too. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 00:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: I'll add a full explanation now --DannyS712 (talk) 00:18, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites:

Done --DannyS712 (talk) 00:23, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I stand by the first point, though. There's just no need for a non-admin to close something controversial. Nothing personal. Just that at best, it's no different than an admin doing it; at worst, it adds a layer of complications that takes additional time to sort out and/or undermines the legitimacy of the close. That said, I don't intend on following up with a DRV or anything -- I didn't form a strong opinion one way or the other myself, and it doesn't seem like a good use of everyone's time to chase a keep into a no consensus... — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 00:53, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: I'm sorry if I overstepped; I'll be more careful with potentially controversial closes in the future (i.e. try to avoid them). Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 00:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

No worry. Thanks for helping out at AfD. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm about to post a different question about RfC (was skimming through to make sure it hadn't already been asked of you) but while I think nac are fine or great in many circumstances, most non-sysops don't close AfD except for keep, no consensus, and relist. This then tilts them towards these outcomes, if only subconsciously. This is why i don't think, outside of SNOW keeps, NAC at AfD should be a thing. There's an essay around that I read which makes this point better than I am but I can't find it at the moment. Best wishes, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: If you find the essay later, please share it with me. Otherwise, I've responded below about the RfC --DannyS712 (talk) 03:43, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

DannyS712 It's Wikipedia:Relist bias which focuses on RELISTs but actually comments about NAC AfD closures more generally with it's core point (emphasis added): Non-admins are welcome and encouraged to close deletion discussions, but they're unable to close most XfDs as "delete". Because of this, it's possible to intentionally or unintentionally develop a bias toward alternative outcomes, such as relisting. Best wishes, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:06, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: Thanks. --DannyS712 (talk) 04:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #353

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

Discussions
- New request for comments: Talk pages consultation 2019 (feel free to add more sub-sections)

Events
- Past: Wikidata hackathon in Ulm with Open Knowledge Foundation. Video of the presentation of the projects (in German)
- Running until March 2nd: International Mother Language Day edit-a-thon
- Upcoming: Wikidata and the Diversity of Knowledge workshop in Graz, Austria, on March 3rd
- Upcoming: Wikidata meetup in Berlin, March 12th
- Upcoming: Wikidata meetup in Paris, March 15th
- Upcoming: Wikidata & Wikipedia workshop in Aberdeen, Scotland, on March 19th

Press, articles, blog posts
- Inside the Alexa-Friendly World of Wikidata, by Tom Simonite on Wired
- Align BNF's video games and Wikidata with Dataiku DSS (in French) by Envel Le Hir

Other Noteworthy Stuff
- If you're using Wikidata's data dumps, you may want to give feedback on a potential change about when those dumps are generated (ticket)
- Some games and tools developed during the Wikidata hackathon in Ulm:
  - Card game generator
  - Multiplayer game Guess the (German) Politician
  - Telegram bot @WikidataMisfitBot, sending pictures with one wrong label
  - WikiProjekt offeneregister.de
- If you're developing new tools or hear about new tools, please add them to Wikidata:Tools so other people can find them :)

Did you know?

Development
- Updated some icons with the new WikimediaUI icon set (phab:T209259)
- Fixed an issue that was causing occasional failures when creating new Items (phab:T194299)
- Investigated Wikidata Tours not loading correctly (phab:T215919)
- Adjusted spacing between Sense ID, bar and Gloss (phab:T215502)
- Fixing a long time issue with introducing new data types in production (phab:T216728)
- Fixing docs for backup of wikibase container images (phab:T214941)
- Making undo, rollback and restore work on schema content pages (phab:T214399)
- Improving edit summaries for schema content pages (phab:T213724)
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		This barnstar is awarded to DannyS712 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 1,999 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE February 2019 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 21:05, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: thanks for such a fun introduction to the GOCE --DannyS712 (talk) 21:16, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm glad you enjoyed it! It's a pretty supportive group. Our March drive is set up if you think you'd like to do more (hint, hint). – Reidgreg (talk) 21:30, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: Thanks, I'll try to join the drive --DannyS712 (talk) 21:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

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Lists

List of Historic Hotels of America moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, List of Historic Hotels of America, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 02:12, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

List of Ophir Award winners moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, List of Ophir Award winners, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 02:12, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists

Hi DannyS712, Greetigns to you. Pls note that Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists do need sources to support the contain claimed (even they have pages in Wikipedia) just like any other article in Wikipedia. Group source is acceptable and source would be in any languages. Pls provide inline citations prior resubmit for review. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 02:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@CASSIOPEIA: Thanks for the notes. I was just converting categories to lists as the result of CFDs. I'll prepare them better first in the future. However, would it be okay if I don't "resubmit [them] for review" once I source them? I didn't realize that I was supposed to source them whet it was just links to pre-existing articles, but now that I know that I think I can judge if their sourced enough (NPR, AfC). Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 02:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi DannyS712, OK. You could move the page back to main space once you have added the source. Also, do an a brief WP:LEAD section on top of the pages. Thank you and have a wonderful day. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 02:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@CASSIOPEIA: Will do. Thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 02:42, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

RfC

Hi Danny and MattLongCT. I've recently become more interested in doing more closures of RfCs and have watchlisted Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure. I have been surprised to see what a large percentage of overall closes you two have been doing. Not surprised in a bad way, just surprised in a "I wouldn't have thought that's how it worked" way. In that same vein of wonder, I ponder if there are any dangers with that. The whole point of an RfC closure is that any non-involved editor would reach the same conclusion and I'm not questioning any of your closures per se. I just speculate (tinged with a hint of worry) about the effects of two editors closing so many different RfCs. Policy is practice and even if the outcome of an RfC is clear the wording of a closing can have a real impact on how the result of the RfC is carried out and so whatever perspective you two bring to the project, and again I am not suggesting there's anything wrong or bad with it just that we all have a perspective, it is now being suffused broadly and subtly. Does that make sense? Can you tell me how I'm offbase? I raise the question truly not as a criticism of your having done this but really because I'm not sure (tinged with a bit of worry by that state of unsureness) what it means to have two editors closing so many different RfCs. Best wishes, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: Hi Barkeep49, and thanks for sharing your concern. I'll note that I (and I'm sure Matt does as well) do my very best to leave all potential biases at home when I start looking at a closure. I'll note that my off-wiki experience, which I'd rather not go into detail about (sorry), has IMO given me a good basis for assessing consensus in discussions. If there is any RfC that you have specific questions (or concerns) about, I'm more than happy to discuss them with you. Hopefully this allays your concerns. Best, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

DannyS712 it doesn't because it's not a criticism of you or Matt. Let me try and layout my question a bit more clearly. My question is what hidden drawbacks, if any, are there to having two editors being the judges of consensus at so many RfCs? Best wishes, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:55, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: Well I guess if I just disappear without warning all of the work would fall on Matt, and vice-versa; if we both just vanished (WP:VOLUNTEER) you would be left with huge backlogs... [end humour] I don't think there are any hidden drawbacks, since RfCs are independent of each other; closing one has (almost always) no effect on closing another. --DannyS712 (talk) 04:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Out of curiosity Danny, how many closes have you done and how many times have you been taken to DRV? Leviv ich 04:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Levivich: I have never been taken to DRV (though see #nac above for the closest I've come so far). I was taken to move review after my first RM close (funny enough, my first edits to WP:ANRFC were related to that RM) and was heartily endorsed (see Stokes' theorem at Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2018 December). I don't know how many closes I've done - closes of everything? RfCs? XfDs? RMs? what are you asking about specifically (I've made dozens of "closes" at WP:ITN/C for stale nominations...) --DannyS712 (talk) 04:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Interceptions:

{\frac {overturned\ closes}{closes}}

Incomplete passes:

{\frac {questioned\ closes}{closes}}

Overall quarterback rating:

{\frac {closes-overturned\ closes-questioned\ closes}{closes}}

Think of being an RM-administrator as something like a quarterback. Your goal is to improve your "quarterback rating". Successfully closed RMs, which nobody objects to, are like completed passes; they increase your rating. Editors complaining on your talk page are like incomplete passes. Being taken to Move Review is like a pass that is almost intercepted, having your close overturned at Move Review, that's a "pick 6". Really bad for your rating.
— User:wbm1058

I would count "close" as any reviewable close. (I saw this on someone else's talk page and it stuck with me.) Leviv ich 04:55, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Levivich:

Interceptions: 0
Incomplete: 7 (ish)
- User talk:DannyS712/Archive 1#Stale - not a real incomplete, just a question
- User talk:DannyS712/Archive 1#Inappropriate close - see Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/November 2018#(Closed) Anchorage earthquake
- User talk:DannyS712/Archive 1#Consensus not to move? - endorsed at move review
- User talk:DannyS712/Archive 2#AfD closes - I just misread times, nothing serious
- User talk:DannyS712#CfD closure - not questioned per se
- User talk:DannyS712#Relisting low-participation AfD for 3rd time with no rationale
- User talk:DannyS712#nac
Overall: Lots, I'd really rather not count them all

--DannyS712 (talk) 05:09, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Barkeep49, you know I have actually thought about this quite a bit. Unlike Danny, I have waded into some more contentious discussions. I sometimes wonder if people will begin to discount the legitimacy of my closings because I do them so often. My conclusion has thus far been that I should really be concerned about the opposite. I fear a possible future where people give extra weight to a closure just because I was the one to close it. Thus I take extra precautions when deciding which discussions to close. However, to your main point, I have found that as the work of admins becomes more unequally divided, that they must face these questions too. If you look back, a lot of discussions were historically closed by not a lot of users. It's a weird phenomenon to say the least. ―MattLongCT -Talk-^☖ 05:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@MattLongCT: Hey (faux angry tone) - I can close contentious discussions too! --DannyS712 (talk) 05:42, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

MattLongCT Thanks. That's a really thoughtful answer to my question. Best wishes, Barkeep49 (talk) 06:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Barkeep49 and MattLongCT: +1 - yeah, its a really good explanation that I wouldn't have been able to articulate --DannyS712 (talk) 06:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

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DoNotArchiveUntil tags

Hi DannyS712, and thanks for closing so many discussions at WP:RFCL. It's great to see less than 10 discussions in the backlog.

I'd like to bring your attention to the {{Do not archive until}} tag, which is sometimes inserted into discussions on highly active noticeboards and talk pages to prevent them from being automatically archived before they are closed. If a DoNotArchiveUntil tag is in a discussion that needs to be closed, please try to remove these tags after closing the discussion. An in-page search for "DoNotArchiveUntil" should quickly reveal it in your web browser.

For example, two WP:RSN discussions had DoNotArchiveUntil tags that looked like this. The "TO CLOSER" part was manually added by me, but the User:DoNotArchiveUntil line is what prevents the discussion from being archived.

Thanks! — Newslinger talk 11:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Danny: I apologize for not writing a note in User:Abelmoschus Esculentus/DiscussionCloser that reminds users that the script does not automatically remove RfC or DoNotArchiveUntil tags and I've added it just now. Hope I can add this feature to the script in the future. ―Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk • contribs) 12:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Newslinger and Abelmoschus Esculentus: AE, no need to apologize, your script has been exceedingly helpful. Newslinger, thanks for the note, I'll be sure to do that in the future. --DannyS712 (talk) 17:32, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Guillermo de la Peña Topete

Cgherrera (talk) 20:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello DannyS712, I have added the necessary references to the page I have been working on for Dr. Guillermo de la Peña Topete (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Guillermo_de_la_Pe%C3%B1a_Topete). Could you please check that it is alright please? It was deleted because I had not worked on it for the past 6 months, I would like to have it published. Thank you CgherreraCgherrera (talk) 20:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Cgherrera: If you would like to submit the draft to be published, please see WP:AFC. But, I see that the draft is written in spanish, not in english, so I can tell you now that it won't be accepted. However, if you translate it into English, that solves the problem, or you can try to add it to the spanish version of wikipedia (es.wikipedia.org). Also, if you want to recover the work you had before it was deleted, just follow the directions at WP:Requests for undeletion/G13. Hope this helps, --DannyS712 (talk) 20:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Recent attempted edit to the page "Juggernaut (comics)"

You had said to inform you if I had a source for my addition of Juggernaut's legal name. My source is Deadpool 2. The timestamp for the information is 1:25:02 when Juggernaut says "LetsFuckSomeShitUp is my legal middle name." Hence, his full legal name must be Cain LetsFuckSomeShitUp Marko. 162.247.87.105 (talk) 22:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have access to the movie, but without a reliable source that he was being serious I'm inclined to think that it was a joke. --DannyS712 (talk) 22:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for being a contributor

		*The Signpost* Barnstar**
		Awarded by the acting Editor-in-Chief for contributions for the February 2019 issue of The Signpost. We hope to see you around more! ☆ Bri (talk) 04:07, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Bri: thank you so much. I hope that I can keep contributing --DannyS712 (talk) 04:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Good research

That is insane stats. See my talkpage near the bottom. Legacypac (talk) 04:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Legacypac: Wow - maybe we should have another RfC - with a clearly limited scope: stop creating new portals, and let pre-existing portals be evaluated at MfD; or, alternatively, depreciate the entire namespace (thats harsh, I know, but its clearly an issue) --DannyS712 (talk) 05:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

There was good support to kill the entire namespace until he dragged the Community Portal in (which no one wanted to kill) and tagged it for deletion. He also tagged every single portal which brought in a bunch of random accounts who happened across a portal but generally know zero about deletion policy or do much on the site at all. Your evidence of this mass creation could tip the RFC. We would want to exclude the Community Portal (which is not really a portal in the sense the rest are. Legacypac (talk) 05:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Legacypac: Yeah, just everything in ns=100 --DannyS712 (talk) 05:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

What is ns=100? Legacypac (talk) 05:25, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Legacypac: WP:NS the portal namespace --DannyS712 (talk) 05:29, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

A few ideas. We draft an RFC on a subpage with input from others. We get a few editors to co-sponsor it. We should consider first cutting off a major source of traffic to the top traffic portals - the links from the mainpage. Someone proved those links are some of the most ignored on the mainpage but they generate a huge amount of the little traffic in portal namespace. Legacypac (talk) 05:35, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Legacypac: Sure. Lets start User:DannyS712/rfc4 --DannyS712 (talk) 05:37, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

User:TonyBallioni take a look. Maybe you can help. Danny can you post your stats on the new RFC page? Legacypac (talk) 05:41, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

RFC Request

Dear Fellow Wikipedian

I would like to invite you to my RFC request on the page One America News Networks. I am reaching out to you to include your expert opinion and your solution to this problem in the RFC request. Please also invite more editors so that we can have a fair discussion that will improve the page.

Kind Regards

Saad Ahmed2983 (talk) 11:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

@Saad Ahmed2983: the RfC has already been closed, and please stop canvassing editors. --DannyS712 (talk) 20:20, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

RB

Moved from User talk:Abelmoschus Esculentus § RB

– By User:Xain36 --DannyS712 (talk) 08:40, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Am I ready for Rollback flag? Xain36 {talk} 06:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: I don't know if AE will see this - give me a ping if you want me to take a look through your contribs and give my own assessment --DannyS712 (talk) 06:40, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Sure. Xain36 {talk} 08:01, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: Is it okay if I move this to my talk page? --DannyS712 (talk) 08:27, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: I'm afraid that, currently, I don't think you are ready for the rollback flag. There are a couple of reasons for this, but first, I have a question about this edit - did you mark it as "good faith", just normal, or "vandal", and did you warn the IP? (why for the choice, and why/why not for the warning) --DannyS712 (talk) 08:42, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Good faith. Xain36 {talk} 08:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: are you sure? Twinkle normally marks good faith undos as good faith in the summary (eg Special:Diff/885048641) --DannyS712 (talk) 08:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what is good faith and vandalism. [13] I was in a hurry. Xain36 {talk} 08:57, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: See but in that edit the summary says "Reverted good faith edits" while in the one I linked to its marked as minor, which, taking a look at the default twinkle options and the history of your settings, suggests that you marked it as vandalism. But thats not my only concern - you seem to be in a great ruch for an account that is only 3 weeks old - I became only over 2 months after I joined, and while I'm not saying that I got the rights at the earliest time possible, I'm just not confident with your track record. Other things such as your closure for a move request less than 3 days after it started, and the fact that you repeatedly (1 2) claimed just 3 days ago that you were a new user. --DannyS712 (talk) 09:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Are you CVUA's trainer? Need a trainer for gain more knowledge. Xain36 {talk} 09:06, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: No, I'm not, but I agree that a CVUA trainer would be able to help you. If you have any more questions let me know --DannyS712 (talk) 09:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Xain36 {talk} 09:10, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't think that page closure is related to the rollback flag. FYI, 3 weeks old or 2 months is not the matter, the edtior must have to a measurable track record on counter-vandalism and no recent history of edit warring. I need this flag for reverting problematic edits/ obvious vandalism, not for Hat collecting. Anyway, I will come after 7 days later for your opinion about my counter-vandalism's contributions. Regards, Xain36 {talk} 14:27, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: the page closure isn't directly related to rollback, but it highlights my concerns about you being in a hurry --DannyS712 (talk) 17:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019

Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019

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What is a systematic review?

Systematic reviews are basic building blocks of evidence-based medicine, surveys of existing literature devoted typically to a definite question that aim to bring out scientific conclusions. They are principled in a way Wikipedians can appreciate, taking a critical view of their sources.

Ben Goldacre in 2014 wrote (link below) "[...] : the "information architecture" of evidence based medicine (if you can tolerate such a phrase) is a chaotic, ad hoc, poorly connected ecosystem of legacy projects. In some respects the whole show is still run on paper, like it's the 19th century." Is there a Wikidatan in the house? Wouldn't some machine-readable content that is structured data help?

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Most likely it would, but the arcana of systematic reviews and how they add value would still need formal handling. The PRISMA standard dates from 2009, with an update started in 2018. The concerns there include the corpus of papers used: how selected and filtered? Now that Wikidata has a 20.9 million item bibliography, one can at least pose questions. Each systematic review is a tagging opportunity for a bibliography. Could that tagging be reproduced by a query, in principle? Can it even be second-guessed by a query (i.e. simulated by a protocol which translates into SPARQL)? Homing in on the arcana, do the inclusion and filtering criteria translate into metadata? At some level they must, but are these metadata explicitly expressed in the articles themselves? The answer to that is surely "no" at this point, but can TDM find them? Again "no", right now. Automatic identification doesn't just happen.

Actually these questions lack originality. It should be noted though that WP:MEDRS, the reliable sources guideline used here for health information, hinges on the assumption that the usefully systematic reviews of biomedical literature can be recognised. Its nutshell summary, normally the part of a guideline with the highest density of common sense, allows literature reviews in general validity, but WP:MEDASSESS qualifies that indication heavily. Process wonkery about systematic reviews definitely has merit.

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Evidence-Based Practice: Appraise, resources page from Duke University Medical Library & Archives.
What should Cochrane do next?, Bad Science blogpost 5 November 2014, Ben Goldacre.
Cambridge (UK) Science Festival event, How do scientific discoveries become clinical medicine?, ScienceSource workshop for ContentMine 23 March 2019, with systematic review process diagram. Also on Eventbrite for tickets, taking place in Makespace, 16 Mill Lane.
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Category:A-League players

Your removal of this category from articles is not correct; it is standard to include both club and league categories for soccer players. Please can you self-revert? If not I will have to escalate this matter. Giant Snowman 10:05, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: I have rolled back the relevant edits, all 394 of them. However, I have a couple of issues with this request:

Your cross-post at WT:FOOTY saying that DannyS712 has been removing this category from valid articles, citing SUBCAT. This is clearly not correct. I have invited him to self-revert.
1. If subcat doesn't apply, the category shouldn't be marked with {{Category diffuse}}
2. Since the category page (Category:A-League players) hasn't been edited since August 2017, meaning that the tag has been there for over a year, its completely wrong to say that my edits were clearly not correct when they were following the stable instructions on the category itself
3. You say you invited [me] to self-revert - see below
Your post here
1. You say that my removal is incorrect, citing a standard - what standard? where is it?
2. Your invitation - If [you don't self-revert] I will have to escalate this matter - sounds a lot more like a threat. If I had not self reverted, but not continued to remove the category, it sounds like you would have done something (the ominous threat of escalation) without continuing behaviour on my part

In short, please remember to assume good faith on the part of other editors. I hope that, if your paths cross in the future, our interactions are more amicable. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 11:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks - and apologies if my post seemed overly aggressive. There is longstanding consensus at the relevant WikiProject that it shouldn't not be diffused. Category:A-League players is for every player to have played a game in that league; that is not the same as eg Category:Melbourne Victory FC players, which is for every player to have been contracted to that club (including those who have never played in the A-League). Giant Snowman 11:41, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Apology accepted --DannyS712 (talk) 11:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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@Abelmoschus Esculentus (alt): Thanks for everything. Hopefully you come back --DannyS712 (talk) 17:34, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

WP:UND script

Hi. Could you create a script for WP:UND?

There would be an option under "more" that says "UND" or "Undelete".
When clicked on, a menu would appear and You could select from "Regular" or "G13" undeletion
G13 is for G13 undeletion, and would use {{SAFESUBST:Refund/G13|PAGENAME}}. Type in the page name and then it will post a G13 request on WP:UND.
Regular is for other undeletion, and would use {{subst:refund|1= Page name goes here |2= Enter your reasoning here and then click the "Publish changes" button below}}. Type in the page name and reasoning and it will post a request on WP:UND.
There also should be a link to WP:CSDRFU in the menu

Thanks! PorkchopGMX (talk with me - what i've done) 16:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@PorkchopGMX: I might not get to it for a few weeks, but it seems like it'll be pretty easy. Notes for me: Use AE's GUI again; api for log, User:DannyS712 test/append.js @ und. --DannyS712 (talk) 17:33, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@PorkchopGMX: User:DannyS712/Refund requester --DannyS712 (talk) 03:24, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 3

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (February 2019).

Hello everyone and welcome to the third issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Scripts Submit your new/improved script here

Bradv's Superlinks

Abelmoschus Esculentus: Discussion Closer • Edit Filter False Positives Response Helper

PrimeHunter's Search sorter • Reinischmax's Internet Archive Books

Erutuon's Charinsert-names • DannyS712's De-Stub • Evad37's Timeless New Message Highlighter

RhinosF1's Status Changer • Suffusion of Yellow's Filter Highlighter

Timotheus Canens's SPI Helper (now in 1.6.8)

Open tasks

Evad37 has raised the idea for a pseudo-namespace be created for "script modules". Find out more and discuss here
Cyberpower678 has proposed adding a "Read Now" feature for book references; a working demo is available.
FR30799386 has also suggested making their mobileUndo script into a gadget

Miscellaneous

Following a discussion, a new process for reviewing code for user-scripts and gadgets has been created.

See Wikipedia:Code review for more.

This month we welcomed three new interface administrators: Evad37, Galobtter, and Enterprisey.
On a sadder note, just this morning we said goodbye to Abelmoschus Esculentus, a prolific script writer.

We are three months in to this newsletter and everything is going great–keep on creating amazing new scripts!
Who knows–maybe the scripts will take over one day... --DannyS712 (talk) 17:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Pending requests WikiProject Portals is looking for some help making scripts...

to help build navboxes
to simplify adding links to portals
and even to make creating the portals easier
other open requests are available at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests

Scripts newsletter

Hey, Thanks for sending it out! But You made a spelling mistake: Goodby - Good Bye

RhinosF1^(chat)_{(status)(contribs)} 20:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@RhinosF1:

fixing... --DannyS712 (talk) 20:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@RhinosF1:

Done --DannyS712 (talk) 20:47, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for André Previn

On 28 February 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article André Previn, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:43, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Section G11

What makes Section G11 relevant to the Wikipedia namespace? Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 07:53, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ad Huikeshoven: If you are talking about deletion, WP:CSD#G11 is relevant in all namespaces --DannyS712 (talk) 07:55, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

The article in the Wikipedia namespace was about Wikipedia and about a proposal by the Wikimedia Foundation Inc, the organization that hosts the website Wikipedia concerning the name of the organization and the projects they hosts of which they hold the wordmarks and the trademarks, more specifically about the way we tell our story about the mission that drives this website. Ad Huikeshoven (talk) 13:51, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ad Huikeshoven: Unfortunately, as a non-admin I can no longer see the content of the page --DannyS712 (talk) 17:44, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Danny, why my page is being deleted?

Hello, DannyS712. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Hi Danny, kindly let me know why my page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nofraud.in_-_Against_the_fraud is marked for speedy deletion? -- Gauravkrp 09:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Gauravkrp: Your page deleted for adding unambiguous advertising or promotion content. Please see WP:G11. Xain36 {talk} 13:03, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Gauravkrp: Exactly - wikipedia is not a place for you to advertise --DannyS712 (talk) 07:42, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

WikiCup 2019 March newsletter

And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2. With 56 contestants qualifying, each group in Round 2 contains seven contestants, with the two leaders from each group due to qualify for Round 3 as well as the top sixteen remaining contestants.

Our top scorers in Round 1 were:

L293D, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with ten good articles on submarines for a total of 357 points.
Adam Cuerden, a WikiCup veteran, came next with 274 points, mostly from eight featured pictures, restorations of artwork.
MPJ-DK, a wrestling enthusiast, was in third place with 263 points, garnered from a featured list, five good articles, two DYKs and four GARs.
Usernameunique came next at 243, with a featured article and a good article, both on ancient helmets.
Squeamish Ossifrage was in joint fifth place with 224 points, mostly garnered from bringing the 1937 Fox vault fire to featured article status.
Ed! was also on 224, with an amazing number of good article reviews (56 actually).

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. Between them, contestants completed reviews on 143 good articles, one hundred more than the number of good articles they claimed for, thus making a substantial dent in the review backlog. Well done all!

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews.

If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk).

Regarding the gay pornography article

Good day, sir, I see that you have decided to decline my edit request for the Gay pornography article. While I understand your reasoning (and in fact agree with it somewhat), I believe that the Lesbian pornography link should be listed in the "See also" section at the bottom of the article, as I am confident that some readers may potentially be looking for information about that, since the term "gay", while normally referring to men, is also used to refer to any homosexual orientation, as noted in the Gay article. Additionally, you may be interested in voting in this RfD request, as it is related to this discussion.

114.75.69.38 (talk) 07:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Done. Can I suggest you create an account? The process is fairly simple, and it would allow you to make such edits yourself. --DannyS712 (talk) 07:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

I have actually considered creating a Wikipedia account on several occasions over my years of editing the encyclopaedia, but I have not considered it necessary, as while I am a regular and proficient editor using the MediaWiki software (I mainly edit the GTA Wiki on Wikia, where I am a Bureaucrat), I only edit Wikipedia infrequently, and rarely need to edit protected articles. However, if I encounter too many more cases like this, I may very well take up your suggestion. In any case, thank you for your assistance.

114.75.206.155 (talk) (From new IP address of 114.75.69.38) 07:48, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Rights request

Would it be possible to grant me the patroller user right on en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org where you are an admin? I would like to use it for testing purposes. << FR ^(mobileUndo) 12:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@FR30799386: sure. Can you post on my talk page there with your account name? --DannyS712 (talk) 15:51, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Done << FR ^(mobileUndo) 16:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@FR30799386:

Done --DannyS712 (talk) 16:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Banzai

Hi DannyS712, about your edit to Banzai, external links and references are not used on disambiguation pages (WP:DABREF), so there should never be a reference section. Thanks, Leschnei (talk) 12:50, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Leschnei: I didn't realized it was a dab page from within AWB, and since it had a reference I added a reflist template. I'm glad you caught my mistake. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 15:50, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Scripts++

Hey, Thanks for including User:RhinosF1/StatusChange.js in Scripts++. I've made quite a few changes since the newsletter went out. If you want to mention that in the next publication then you may. I've also asked for feedback at Wikipedia_talk:User_scripts#Script_Feedback if you want to leave some there. RhinosF1^(chat)_{(status)(contribs)} 16:41, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@RhinosF1: I'll try to add the updates at the end of the month --DannyS712 (talk) 17:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

DannyS712, Thanks!! Feel free to give feedback. RhinosF1^(chat)_{(status)(contribs)} 17:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@RhinosF1: No problem. If I have the chance, I will --DannyS712 (talk) 17:33, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

DannyS712, Thanks again!! RhinosF1^(chat)_{(status)(contribs)} 17:42, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 10, 2019)

Wanted posters in Japan, 2004

Hello, DannyS712.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Wanted poster

Please be bold and help to improve this article!

Previous selections: Cheeseburger • Gas stove

Get involved with the TAFI project. You can: Nominate an article • Review nominations

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PageMoverClosure

Hi

A script that you have written, is not working. User:DannyS712/PageMoverClosure. Regards, Xain36 {talk} 02:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: Where were you trying to use it? --DannyS712 (talk) 02:48, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: If you're talking about Talk:Noddy (TV interview technique), I'll try to trouble shoot it. But, I'll note that this script was designed for Wikipedia:Page movers, and more importantly, you absolutely should not mark closing a discussion as a minor edit. --DannyS712 (talk) 02:51, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

DannyS712, Ok I got it, Bro. Xain36 {talk} 05:48, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: Can you please reopen that discussion and either reclose it without marking it as minor, or leave it for someone else to close? --DannyS712 (talk) 05:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712:, With your tool? Xain36 {talk} 06:43, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: you shouldn't close it with my tool, since you are not a page mover, but regardless of if you close it again, and how you do so, it must not be marked as a minor edit --DannyS712 (talk) 06:44, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712:,

Done. I think you are a script developer. Can you make a script for me? Xain36 {talk} 06:51, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: What script? --DannyS712 (talk) 06:53, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712:, Special PermaLink Archiver. Ex. If we provide a wiki link, it will be converted as Special PermaLink. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Xain36/sandbox&diff=885835884&oldid=885835845 → Special:PermaLink/885835884 . Simple Script.Xain36 {talk} 06:58, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: Can't you just select "Permanent link" in the toolbar? --DannyS712 (talk) 06:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712:, I didn't get your point. Xain36 {talk} 07:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: How is this any different from clicking on "Permanent link" and copying the url? --DannyS712 (talk) 07:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712:, For edit summary. Xain36 {talk} 07:03, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. What exactly do you want a script for? --DannyS712 (talk) 17:58, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712:, Don't worry about that. I will make that soon. Will you please review this User:Xain36/Non-adminClosure.js? Xain36 {talk} 18:02, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Xain36: sure, it looks fine. Enjoy using your new script --DannyS712 (talk) 18:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712:, Thanks, Need your support to develop or build more user's scripts. Xain36 {talk} 18:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Protecting the Wandering Earth Page

Hi DannyS712,

Thank you for your attention on protecting the Wandering Earth page. Here is the screenshot of the ending roller credits of the film where you can verify https://www.dropbox.com/s/e2titghp4suqkh6/wanderingearthendingroller.png?dl=0 We see another user declined the protection request and we definitely understand as he said we should first try to use talk-page.

The user "Lester1231" is known to be vandalizing the Wandering Earth credits of music. He keeps removing "Additional Composer" from Tao Liu at IMDB, MTIME, Douban, Wikipedia ZH(Chinese), and other pages, while the film ending roller credits shows Tao Liu is the additional composer and not listed under music by credits. He is also known to publicly use dirty words against the main composer of Wandering Earth and other Chinese composers we strongly believe there's no need to talk with him or use the talk-page as using the talk-page only brings more attention to the topic of attacking Roc Chen, which is exactly this user "Lester1231" want. We appreciate your understanding and hope you can re-consider to undo "Lester1231"'s last edit and protect this page or just protect from him or protect the soundtrack part.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wraper11 (talk • contribs) 09:39, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Wraper11: As a non-admin, I can't protect a page. But, I agree with you that its clear that Tao Liu is an additional composer, based on the credits itself. Have you brought it up on the talk page though? See this page for the general editing practice on english wikipedia. --DannyS712 (talk) 18:03, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi DannyS712, because the truth is so obvious and firm, user Lester1231 still keeps removing the word of "additional composer" and keeps attacking main composer, we believe he is intentionally doing the vandalism and there's no need to talk on the talk page. However, we noticed another admin declined the request to protect this page because he think we should use the talk page first. We understand that he may not understand the vandalism but we just noticed the Wandering Earth protecting request has gone. Should we re-do another request at the same page? and where can we find your email so more things can be talked privately. Thanks a lot. Wraper11 (talk) 18:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Wraper11: No, you should not ask another time; its gone because the page is routinely cleared by a bot. If you want to email me, use Special:EmailUser/DannyS712. --DannyS712 (talk) 18:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Hi, DannyS712, according to Mtime (A Chinese film database site as imdb) page showed the "composers" are Roc Chen and Liu Tao days ago (you can visit the webcache of the link "http://movie.mtime.com/218707/fullcredits.html" please.), so I removed the "additional composer" title. But when I just checked the Mtime page today, and found the "additinol composer" title is added after Liu Tao, so I have no problem with it.And the copying issue of the music was a headline when the film is released in China, there are over 1,230,000 people read this orignal weibo and analysising article (a famouse Chinese twitter SNS site, https://weibo.com/1731585452/HfZLwbIsz ), and over 440,000 people viewed the orignal analysising video of Roc Chen's music and Hans Zimmer's. You can also find the many discussion and analysising video of the music copying issue, like:

http://c.tieba.baidu.com/p/6031462037?pn=1 https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=134125&forumID=1&archive=0 https://www.bilibili.com/video/av43556774/ https://www.bilibili.com/video/av43275332/ https://www.bilibili.com/video/av43087442 https://www.zhihu.com/question/311595982 https://bbs.hupu.com/25544708.html

So, In order to keep the objectivity of The Wandering Earth page, I think the music copying issue must be added on. And also, the "Soundtrack Magazine" is a film music media in China, it is the orignal source, and reports the serious music copying issue in China first, but I will follow you to remove the "Soundtrack Magazine" title from the main page or just keep the media name in references. Btw, as the film The Wandering Earth is still in theator now, how can the user "Wraper11" get the ending roller screenshot (https://www.dropbox.com/s/e2titghp4suqkh6/wanderingearthendingroller.png?dl=0) of the film now? The user has any relationgship with the composer and the film producion company to avoid the negative news showed on the page? Thanks!

@DannyS712: As the statement of the user "Wraper11", and according to the rules of the Chinese sites MTIME and Douban, the public page only can be edited by the web admin. Btw, I don't know where the "dirty words against the main composer of Wandering Earth and other Chinese composers" came from? Thanks again.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lester1231 (talk • contribs) 10:15, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@Lester1231: I don't understand the second part of your question (about the dirty words). I agree that the music copying issue should be mentioned, but it shouldn't be the focus. Also, Wraper11 has disclosed their connection to the movie - they worked on the film crew. Do you have any COIs? --DannyS712 (talk) 20:45, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: I'm just a film music fan keeping track of this music copying issue, the "dirty words" is mentioned on the film crew "Wraper11"'s words, I also don't know where the dirty word is. Btw, the "music copying issue" is still be removed from the "The Wandering Earth" page by the film crew "Wraper11", this page should be locked for a while, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lester1231 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@Lester1231: At this point, I don't think there is anything more i can do. I don't know the film, just a bit of Chinese. We've clarified the situation of additional composer vs composer, and the music copying issues should be discussed at the talk page of the article (not here). As a non-admin, I can't protect the page, but please don't edit war. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:33, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Gatwick Airport drone incident

On 4 March 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gatwick Airport drone incident, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that reports of drones at Gatwick Airport led to the disruption of over 1,000 flights and delays for about 140,000 passengers? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gatwick Airport drone incident. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Thanks! --DannyS712 (talk) 18:03, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #354

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

Discussions
- Open request for adminship: Esteban16
- Closed request for comments: 2018 administrator policy update

Events
- Upcoming: WikiConNL in Utrecht (Netherlands), on March 8-9th (in Dutch and English)
- Upcoming: Wikidata meetup in Berlin, on March 12th
- Upcoming: Wikidata meetup in Paris, on March 15th
- Upcoming: Wikidata & Wikipedia workshop in Aberdeen, Scotland, on March 19th
- Upcoming: GLAM and Wikidata in National Library, Bern (Switzerland), on March 28th (in German and French).
- Upcoming: Wikidata Workshop for GLAM in Lausanne (Switzerland), on March 29th (in French).

Press, articles, blog posts
- Matching BnF and Wikidata video games using Dataiku DSS (in English) by Envel Le Hir

Other Noteworthy Stuff
- Congratulations to Siobhan Leachman (d:User:Ambrosia10), awarded the "Companion of the Auckland War Memorial Museum" medal for her volunteer work, including contributions to Wikidata: [14].
- You can now try Shape Expressions on a test system
- Creative Commons has a proposal for tool development with Wikidata's copyright metadata for the 2019 edition of Google Summer of Code. Interested student developers are invited to apply.
- Tpt's Wikidata history query service stores and allows querying metadata about Wikidata's edit history
- A new beta version of the Daty Wikidata Editor has been released, check out the changelog. You can also show your endorsement to the project over here.
- Scholarship application phase for Wikimania 2019 is now open until March 15th. The call for track leaders is also open.
- OpenRefine 3.2 beta was released, with a collection of new features and bug fixes, many of which improve the Wikidata integration.

Did you know?

Development
- Added monolingual language code tlb (Tobelo), thanks User:Mbch331! (T216798, will be deployed next week)
- Integrating the termbox with Wikibase (phab:T214679)
- Viewing historic revisions and fetching the termbox data from Special:EntityData (phab:T210615)
- Fixing emoji breaking the termbox (phab:T217244)
- Renamed special pages under Wikibase to avoid confusion with Schemas special pages (phab:T216719)
- Removed unsupported php 7 constant in production, causing a notice and potential undefined behavior ([[phab:T217241
- Investigated wb_term normalization solution (phab:T215902)
- Fix for outdated cached WB datatypes on client-side (phab:T216728 (blocks enabling new datatypes, e.g. phab:T216730))
- Allowing access to wikibase entities from multiple (wikibase) databases (phab:T214557)
- Allowing to return a proper API error on 'wbformatvalue' action (phab:T207479)
- Providing open-graph title and discretion meta-tags for lexemes (phab:T206414)
- Allowing quickstatements to work out-of-the-box in wikibase-quickstatments docker image (phab:T205606)
- Implementing “undo” for Schemass (phab:T214914, making it work via the API (phab:T217250)
- Implementing “restore” for Schemas (phab:T214915)
- Adding created and edited Schemas to the watchlist according to the user’s preferences (phab:T213725)
- Splitting edit parts on Schemas (phab:T215395, phab:T215393, phab:T215392, phab:T215394)
- Improving support for multilingual edit comments in MediaWiki (phab:T215637)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Monthly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
- Suggested and open tasks!
- Contribute to a Showcase item.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
- Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
- Help write the next summary!

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Tech News: 2019-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 March. It will be on all wikis from 7 March (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 6 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

You can give feedback on the future of talk pages.
The mobile website will use the standard fonts on your computer or phone instead of a generic font. This will make it easier to read text in many scripts. [15][16]

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

16:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).

Administrator changes

Evad37

There'sNoTime

Alex Shih • Brian • Mushroom • Nakon • Oscarthecat • PeruvianLlama • Ragib • Reaper Eternal • Rossami • Tom

Interface administrator changes

Evad37 • Galobtter

Ritchie333

CheckUser changes

There'sNoTime

Keegan • Ks0stm

Oversight changes

There'sNoTime

Ks0stm • Sphilbrick

Guideline and policy news

The RfC on administrator activity requirements failed to reach consensus for any proposal.
Following discussions at the Bureaucrats' noticeboard and Wikipedia talk:Administrators, an earlier change to the restoration of adminship policy was reverted. If requested, bureaucrats will not restore administrator permissions removed due to inactivity if there have been five years without a logged administrator action; this "five year rule" does not apply to permissions removed voluntarily.

Technical news

A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.

Arbitration

The Arbitration Committee announced two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g., WP:COIN or WP:SPI).
- paid-en-wpwikipedia.org has been set up to receive private evidence related to abusive paid editing.
- checkuser-en-wpwikipedia.org has been set up to receive private requests for CheckUser. For instance, requests for IP block exemption for anonymous proxy editing should now be sent to this address instead of the functionaries-en list.

Miscellaneous

Following the 2019 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Base, Einsbor, Jon Kolbert, Schniggendiller, and Wim b.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:12, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Jhalak Category

Explain why do you want to convert Category:Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa contestants to Article for I dont think its a good option because in the article its self its already listed all the contestants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoraFatehi231 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@NoraFatehi231: I'm afraid I don't understand the question - what is this in reference to? --DannyS712 (talk) 21:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Category:Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa contestants to covert to List of Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa Participants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoraFatehi231 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@NoraFatehi231: I said it should be a list because all of the other categories of participants on similar shows were converted to lists --DannyS712 (talk) 21:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Im not happy with it because it is not organised at all how it is now it should stay like that. Im not being harsh just telling the truth.— Preceding unsigned comment added by NoraFatehi231 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
@NoraFatehi231: Then please comment at the discussion for the category. --DannyS712 (talk) 21:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I have go and check. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoraFatehi231 (talk • contribs) 21:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@NoraFatehi231: Then there is no need for us to have this discussion; I cannot withdraw the nomination given that other users have chimed in --DannyS712 (talk) 21:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Your the one who started it though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoraFatehi231 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@NoraFatehi231: Yes but other users have contributed to it --DannyS712 (talk) 21:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

You should of not done it in the first place. Dont have anything against you but I found it wasnt neccercary. Im not abusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoraFatehi231 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@NoraFatehi231: And you are free to comment that at the discussion itself --DannyS712 (talk) 21:47, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Ok im sorry i didnt mean to be hurtfull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoraFatehi231 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@NoraFatehi231: It wasn't hurtfull just unnecessary. Commenting at the discussion is enough --DannyS712 (talk) 21:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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@Wraper11: Seen. However, I think I'd like to try and stop being involved in this dispute - I was just trying to help with the Chinese --DannyS712 (talk) 02:57, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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DiscussionCloser Request

Could you please implement the changes located at User:MJL/sandbox.js? I updated the header comments and turned all instances of "Unsuccessful (yellow)" and "Unsuccessful (red)" to "Generic (yellow)" and "Generic (red)" since that isn't actually a thing (maybe the Unsuccessful (red) one is, but there are no essays I am aware of that say yellow is anything but generic... and I should know, I redesigned it lol). Regards, –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:44, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Also, I linked people directly to User:DannyS712/DiscussionCloser –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:45, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL:

Done thank you so much --DannyS712 (talk) 23:23, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Ron Lieberman, Executive Vice President to The Trump Organization

Thank you for your review of Ron Lieberman, Executive Vice President (a redirect to The Trump Organization). X1\ (talk) 00:27, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@X1\: No problem. I was a bit confused at first, but I saw the infobox and understood --DannyS712 (talk) 00:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Modernmotem

Hello DannyS712. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Modernmotem, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not blatantly vandalism or a hoax. Thank you. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 02:23, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@DeltaQuad: To me it looked like a hoax - what is the proper procedure to get it deleted? --DannyS712 (talk) 02:26, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Albeit they are unlikely to pass or even start the RfA if they can't follow the instructions, but blatant vandalism or hoaxing is for completely untrue articles or pages. This may be worth a G6 in the eyes of some administrators, but I am one that prefer these types of things go through MfD to apply as as little bite as possible. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 02:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@DeltaQuad: okay. I'll send it to MfD later --DannyS712 (talk) 02:36, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Also even just talking to the user first is usually more helpful and they can always request deletion as the only author. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 02:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@DeltaQuad: I've watchlisted their page, but the editor hasn't edited since creating the RfA --DannyS712 (talk) 02:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@DeltaQuad: I have listed it at MfD, if you'd like to voice your opinion --DannyS712 (talk) 19:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

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@Xain36: replied --DannyS712 (talk) 17:34, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

User Script Development.

Hey Danny,

I saw you marked User:MJL/NeverRecolorLinks.js as reviewed. I had a question for you about it.

I want to make it compatible with User:BrandonXLF/GreenRedirects (which was the script this was forked from). However, I have no clue how to do that. The problem is that before my latest patch, everytime you visited a redirect page, that redirect would turn blue. The whole point of the script is that things don't change colors. However, now that the patch was implemented, users who don't have GreenRedirects installed will have the reverse problem suddenly (where every time they visit a redirect page, it will turn green).

I get CSS. CSS is what I am pretty good at. I have little clue how to code in Javascript. Could you patch my NeverRecolorLinks so as to only implement my css patch upon a condition of "a.mw-redirect" already having a green color?

Regards, –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 18:42, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: Solved, but its a really hacky work-around. Basically, if @BrandonXLF is willing to replace User:BrandonXLF/GreenRedirects.js with User:DannyS712/GR.js (dif), then you can use window.green_redirects to conditionally load the css that would be needed. See User:DannyS712/NRL.js (replaces your current js), User:DannyS712/NRL1.css (replaces you css), and User:DannyS712/NRL2.css (new). Sorry I couldn't come up with something more elegant --DannyS712 (talk) 03:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: Fixed, you can remove your fix. I made my rule !important, so it overrides your rule. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 04:28, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

BrandonXLF, awesome!! Thank you so much!!! I really love this userscript. Thank you for your help as well, Danny! –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:29, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@BrandonXLF and MJL: that, on the other hand, it probably a much better way to approach this. BrandonXLF, thank you so much. MJL, you said I get CSS. CSS is what I am pretty good at. I have little clue how to code in Javascript. - I guess for me its the opposite --DannyS712 (talk) 04:30, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: You should still revert to rev 886843275 to pervent users without my script from getting green redirects. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 04:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

BrandonXLF,

Done

Thank you both again! –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:39, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Yeah possibly lol. I only get CSS because the fixes are ^{just ^{that ^simple}}. (edit conflict) –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:36, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: if _{yousay_so} --DannyS712 (talk) 04:43, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Elena Kagan/GA1

Hi DannyS712. You may have missed it, but it appears Knope has responded to your concerns at Talk:Elena Kagan/GA1. AIRcorn (talk) 22:29, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

@Aircorn: Nope - there are still a few outstanding issues. I have been updating it as we go, and if Knope doesn't want to implement my suggestions thats fine, but the ball is in their court. Thanks for the reminder though --DannyS712 (talk) 01:53, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay. Let me know if you need any help. AIRcorn (talk) 03:35, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@Aircorn: Thanks, will do --DannyS712 (talk) 03:36, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

There were edits on March 5 that still have not been addressed. I made another set of minor edits today. Knope7 (talk) 00:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

@Knope7: I saw the March 5 edits earlier. I've addressed todays - 2 things left. A minor addition of a needed link, and a very confusing sentence. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:25, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't see what the two things are. Knope7 (talk) 00:42, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

@Knope7: Solicitor general #3 and #6.1 --DannyS712 (talk) 00:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

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Ask for help

Hi dear friend in this page : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_name_Khuzestan

We have a great deal of problem with what appears to be Persian users Community that wants to push their view and block other information, There are phrases in this Article that ment to change clear historical records and don't even has a Refrence , any request for Refrence being removed by these users with no logic, we even explained the problem in Talk page but they refuse to responded and keep,reverting the ask for reference, they simply use our lack of understanding of wiki rules to push their ideas and block any opininon , please check the page and help us to deal with this issue

Ted hamiltun (talk) 19:58, 10 March 2019 (UTC) Ted Hamiltun

@Ted hamiltun: I understand your frustration. Specifically about Origin of the name Khuzestan, I'll note that you only started discussion about the issue at Talk:Origin of the name Khuzestan earlier today; please give others time to respond --DannyS712 (talk) 20:02, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Done thank you 🌷 Ted hamiltun (talk) 01:33, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ted hamiltun: No problem. Hopefully that discussion will resolve the issues --DannyS712 (talk) 01:42, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Relisting CfDs

Hi Danny. Thanks for helping out at CfD! When you relist a CfD, the appropriate way to do so is to leave the original discussion where it was, closing it as normal with "relisted at X" as the rationale, with X being a link to the new discussion. You can then copy over the discussion to the new location with {{relist}}. Let me know if you have any questions about that. Cheers! ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 20:02, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@BU Rob13: Sorry, I thought that it was like at other XfDs, where you leave a redirect to the new discussion, rather than duplicating it. Can I ask why its done the way it is at CfD? --DannyS712 (talk) 20:03, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Most XfDs actually work that way, to my knowledge? See, for instance Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_22#Template:Costliest_U.S._Atlantic_hurricanes_by_wealth_normalization (just to pick a random one). I don't know the exact reason behind the convention, but I think it has something to do with not removing the original discussion from the place where you can find its edit history. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 20:12, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@BU Rob13: Oh, that makes sense (MfDs and AfDs are on their own subpages). I'll do that in the future, sorry --DannyS712 (talk) 20:17, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Why it is done that way? Good question. When the answer is that it’s been done that way for a long time, or because there is a rule, that’s a big signed for the question being even better. I dislike the practice, found at CfD, TfD and RfD, where a relist means the discussion reappears elsewhere off your watchlist. Why relist at all? Relisting to attract more attention is a common answer, but it is not a very good answer. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:22, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@SmokeyJoe and BU Rob13: then maybe I should refrain from relisting entirely, and only close stale discussions if there is little-to-no objection --DannyS712 (talk) 20:56, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I’d look it put it to you, as a bright young newcomer, what’s your assessment of all this relisting? —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:06, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@SmokeyJoe: given the understandable issues with both duplicating discussions and removing them from watchlists, but the undesirability of implimenting individual subpages à la AfD/MfD, maybe after 2 weeks of no more discussion, rather than relisting a closer should just assess the consensus then, i.e. stop relisting altogether, and just let people contribute to older discussions until they close. Of course, for more contentious nominations the CfD shouldn't be closed until the conversation has dwindled, but again, this could be done without officially "relisting" it. --DannyS712 (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

As the writer of WP:Relist bias, I agree that most relists are unnecessary. As a general rule, I only relist a discussion when I feel I can refocus the discussion on a specific issue that has been under-discussed. For instance, if a suggestion is made late in the discussion that receives some support but came after many people already contributed !votes, it's often worth relisting with a note that further discussion should focus on comparing the original suggestion to the new one. I see this often at CfD, especially with renames. Relisting just because a close is difficult should be avoided; a closer is there to make the hard calls on whether or not consensus exists one way or the other. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 21:36, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@BU Rob13: Sounds about right; and since NACs are discouraged when a "hard call" is needed I'll keep this discussion in mind and avoid situations where there is a hard call to be made, but a relist would be unnecessary --DannyS712 (talk) 21:38, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@BU Rob13: On a completely unrelated note, do you think you'd be able to take a look at one of my pending BRFAs? Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 21:40, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Personally, I'm strongly against barring non-admins from making tough closes. As long as you're willing/able to defend them, I would not feel limited by the difficulty of the close (except, perhaps, in cases where the discussion is particularly central to the project or is related to the admin toolkit explicitly). Arguably, I passed my RfA because I had a history of making difficult closes that were explained well enough that the community supported them. (As for the BRFAs, I've got a lot on my plate at the moment. I'll try to take a look soon, but no guarantees, unfortunately. I'll try to ask another BAG member to pop in to a couple of them, though.) ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 21:41, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) BU Rob13, I feel like that is not a popular opinion to have about NACs. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 21:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

That page is not a policy or guideline, and thus doesn't prevent any particular actions by non-admins. The most recent consensus on the issue actually hold that closes cannot be reverted merely because the closer was a non-admin. See here. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 21:51, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@BU Rob13:, True but I have found that this does not mean a new user is not strongly discouraged from closing contentious discussions on the regular. If an admin asks you to reopen a discussion, in my experience... they really aren't asking. I one time closed a CfD as no consensus. I received a caution from an uninvolved user about taking such action, and then I promptly received a request from a seperate user to reopen. I reopened the discussion and made a comment in it about the previous closing. Some weeks later... it closed as no consensus by an admin. That's among other stories I have of the weird procedural things that happen here. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:01, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It depends on the competency of the non-admin of course, and you do have an uphill battle to prove that if you're new. There definitely has to be a willingness to defend a close if you're going to make one. If you plan to fold to a request to reopen despite believing in the close, it's not worth bothering. That isn't intended to be critical of you, just a statement of fact about how things are. I had to defend some of my closes at various venues when I was a non-admin, and I don't believe I've had any closes taken there since getting the mop; that's partly because admins get more deference when it comes to closing, whether or not that's a good thing. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 22:12, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@BU Rob13:, last time I defended my close I was taken to AN. This is among the WP:CIR warnings I have had. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:17, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Do you guys think it would be useful to have a WikiProject NAC? Leviv ich 22:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Not particularly. Individual mentoring works better than any group project when it comes to teaching how to close discussions, in my opinion. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 22:12, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@Levivich: since its more administration related than content focused, I don't think it would be a good idea to create such a WP:CABAL --DannyS712 (talk) 22:12, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I would like one tbh. I need a safeplace. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:17, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL, you don't need a safeplace. You need self-restraint until you have lots more experience. You have done way too much leaping-in to take big bold actions without understanding all the context, and which has led you to a succession of demonstrably poor judgements.

The contrast between MJL and Danny is notable. Danny acts cautiously, and gets it right; he's an advert for Rob's wide-open view of who should close. OTOH, MJL is an advert for strapping WP:NAC down even tighter, and even for sanctions to those who breach it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

BHG it's characterizations like that which make me seriously concerned I will be facing a CIR block in a month. I just want to learn and grow like everyone else, but I have no honest clue how I am supposed to do that under these conditions. I really don't understand why people are saying I am damaging to the project. No one ever bothers reaching out with specific problems anymore. I'll go back to hiding in my userspace and the mainspace if that's what people want. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:01, 14 March 2019 (UTC)fixed ping. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL and BrownHairedGirl: Unfortunately, I have to agree with BHG a bit. I know that, as a ~new editor myself, I may not be in the best position to speak to this, but I suggest you slow down. Start off simple - I contribute to WP:ITN/C, and a lot of my early closures were closing recent deaths as stale. Doing that is pretty straight forward. Then maybe some AfDs - keep if there is a clear consensus, relist if it would help, and in edge cases, cast your own !vote. Find an area that you like, and bookmark all of the policies - I review WP:NACD before almost every close I make. But, all of that should come after you establish yourself in mainspace. --DannyS712 (talk) 04:38, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Et tu, Brute? _{Your advice has been taken to heart, and I should be moving forward to reflect this.} –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 04:47, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: I'm sorry. I know you want to help out, and that your actions have been in good faith, but I think that now is just not the right time. If you want to discuss anything, just ping me. --DannyS712 (talk) 05:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

(ec) @MJL, you seem like a nice person, and I don't see any sign that anyone wants to block you. However, if you don't change course, then I agree that sadly, a WP:CIR block is likely at some point. In my experience, when such things take off they escalate very quickly from friendly warnings (of which you've had plenty) to block-ready territory. That may happen sooner or it may happen later, but eventually such things do happen ... and when the focus is turned on a litany of problems, you can v rapidly be in deep water.

The problem is not that you are one of those editors who isn't fit to touch an encyclopedia. Far from it. The problem is that you repeatedly try to take quasi-administrative actions without having the experience to make good calls ... and then you dig you yourself in deeper when challenged.

Danny is right: start by establishing yourself in mainspace. Create a few dozen solid start-class articles on a range of topics. Run them through WP:DYK, and get to how they are tested and critiqued there. (It's a great learning ground). Take one to WP:GA, and learn about reaching higher standards. Work with a WikiProject, and learn how to collaborate on content.

Then, a few thousand edits later, start participating in AFD (no, not XfD, but AFD: it's where all the content policies collide). Not closing, but doing the hard graft of assessing articles and researching them, and learning the complex nuance of policies such as WP:RS and WP:N and WP:V and WP:OR and WP:SYN and WP:WEIGHT and WP:BEFORE and WP:BIO1E and WP:NPOV of the hideous sprawl of a million special notability guidelines. Watch how those discussions go, and esp study those where you are at odds with the consensus.

Then, having done that, try closing some straightforward discussions, and be v open to feedback. Slowly, slowly, expand your comfort zone, building on your previous experience. Don't be a source of drama, and demonstrate your experience as you build your credibility.

Right now, you seem to be doing almost the exact opposite. You have little experience of content creation, or of participation in consensus-forming discussion processes ... yet you repeatedly wade in saying "do it this way" to editors with way more experience than you, when you have missed much of the context. This is a really bad look in any context. If you try walking into your local sports club or drama club (or any other local group) as someone with little track record and start saying "do it this way", then you'll put backs up very fast. Wikipedia works the same way: you need to be seen to have the relevant skills and experience and cultural knowledge before throwing yourself around the big stage. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:21, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

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Broken CFD log

Thanks for this attempt[17] at a fix.

I had given up trying to figure out what was broken in WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 18 that caused the bot to , but that seems like a likely suspect.

And now I see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Old_unclosed_discussions&oldid=887204860

Looks like you caught it. Well done! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

@BrownHairedGirl: no problem - I love a good mystery --DannyS712 (talk) 06:32, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #355

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

Discussions
- Open request for adminship: Dimon2711
- Closed request for adminship: Esteban16, welcome onboard!

Events
- Upcoming: Wikidata meetup in Berlin, on March 12th
- Upcoming: Wikidata meetup in Paris, on March 15th
- Upcoming: Wikidata & Wikipedia workshop in Aberdeen, Scotland, on March 19th
- Upcoming: GLAM and Wikidata in National Library, Bern (Switzerland), on March 28th (in German and French).
- Upcoming: Wikidata Workshop for GLAM in Lausanne (Switzerland), on March 29th (in French).
- Upcoming: Where iNaturalist meets Wiki (Invasive plants) April 16th, Meise, Belgium
- Upcoming: How does Wikimedia Solve the Problems of Biodiversity Informatics? Biodivesity Next (Leiden, the Netherlands), October 19th-25th 2019

Press, articles, blog posts
- Combining AI and Human Judgment to Build Knowledge about Art on a Global Scale by Andrew Lih
- Data Quality Management in Wikidata – Workshop write-up, by Cristina Sarasua, Claudia Müller-Birn, and Mariam Farda-Sarbas
- Museum Collections on Wikipedia: Opening Up to Open Data Initiatives by Elena Villaespesa and Trilce Navarrete

Other Noteworthy Stuff
- Client wikis calling geocoordinate statements from Wikidata using mw.wikibase.entity:formatStatements or the #statements parser function will now have it displayed using a Kartographer <maplink> if available. In case of bug or question, feel free to ask in phab:T210926. Thanks to Tpt for the change!
- A Google Summer of Code/Outreachy project seeks to add structure to the Commons app. Photographers will be able to pick Wikidata items that are depicted by the picture they upload.
- Suggestions based on constraints can be enabled for all users

Did you know?

Development
- Work page to get the Schema Text by subpage syntax (phab:T214383)
- Set up a page to set label, description and aliases for Schema (phab:T215392, phab:T217313)
- Remove edit tab from Schema pages (phab:T215394)
- Disable possibility to enter duplicate aliases for the same Schema (phab:T217634, phab:T217749)
- Add ULS, Babel and CLDR support on wikidata-shex.wmflabs.org (phab:T216146)
- Add the option to restore Schemas! (phab:T214915)
- Undo edit on Schemas through API (phab:T217250)
- Multilingual support on Special:NewSchema (phab:T216154)
- Work on Termbox SSR integration (phab:T214679)
- Provide meta tags for lexemes (phab:T206414)
- Make Quickstatements work out of the box in wikibase docker image (phab:T205606)
- Disabling RDF for Media Info (phab:T213483)
- Add tooltips for statements linking to a lexeme form (phab:T205279)
- Allowing multiple wikibase DBs access (phab:T214557)
- Add baserevid to WikibaseLexeme API (phab:T217243)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Monthly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
- Suggested and open tasks!
- Contribute to a Showcase item.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
- Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
- Help write the next summary!

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Tech News: 2019-11

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Pages can use geocoordinates from Wikidata with the mw.wikibase.entity:formatStatements Lua function or the #statements parser function. If they do, they will now be shown using a Kartographer <maplink> if the wiki can use Kartographer. You can report bugs or ask questions on Phabricator.
There is now an EventStream to see when links are added or removed on Wikimedia wikis. You can read the discussions and plans.

Problems

Some wikis will not be able to edit for a short period of time on 19 March (UTC). This will start at 15:00 UTC. It will last up to 15 minutes but probably shorter. You can see the list of affected wikis. This is because of network maintenance. You can still read the wikis.
Editors who use Firefox to edit with the visual editor had a problem with copying text. When they tried to select text that included footnotes, templates or block images in the middle they would often only get part of the text. This has now been fixed. [18]
Some maps didn't work for a while on 8 March. This has been fixed. [19][20]

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19:29, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

RfA

Hi Danny.

Since noticing you getting into to things, I’ve noticed that you have an unusually good temperament, instincts, and skills. Are you really only 6 months old? I remember 2006 when people like you ran through RfA every month. I think you would pass, and failing that you would receive excellent feedback for passing a few months later. This is not really my strength, so ask some others. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:00, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@SmokeyJoe: Thank you so much for the encouragement, but I don't think I have a need for the toolset, nor am I qualified. Also, I'll point out that I am much older than 6 months old - but yes, I have only been editing for (a bit more than) six months. Part of the instincts comes from being very curious - I read through a lot of the policies and guidelines repeatedly well before I got the urge to get involved --DannyS712 (talk) 22:03, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, I have the need for you to have the tools. I need more editors who can help clear backlogs at XfDs, contentious RfCs, RFPP, etc., and more level-headed voices at AN and other dramaboards, not to mention editors who can understand and work with the technical side of things, like SPI. Leviv ich 22:08, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@Levivich: I prefer to avoid the WP:DRAMA --DannyS712 (talk) 22:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I concur with Levivich. You are active here so much that it's kind of a shame. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:15, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Understandable, but plenty of admin avoid the drama. I just hope the next time you're waiting for an admin to do some admin thing, you think to yourself This would be done already if I did it myself... Leviv ich 22:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@Levivich: Umm, but that would only work if I passed, and I don't think I'm ready, nor would the community trust me with the tools --DannyS712 (talk)` DannyS712 (talk) 22:36, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm confident you're ready because I'm confident you're not going to press the buttons you don't understand, even if you're technically able to. As to whether the community is ready to trust you with the tools, I have no idea–I'm the last person who would know. There's a thing though, the name of which I forget, where you can ask people for feedback about if you're ready for adminship. Maybe you think about it and if you feel like it, you throw your name in there at some point in the near future and see what kind of feedback you get. Leviv ich 22:50, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@Levivich: Are you talking about Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll? --DannyS712 (talk) 22:51, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that's it. I never really followed it (obviously), I just remembered coming across it before. Leviv ich 22:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@Levivich: Yeah I just searched for it --DannyS712 (talk) 23:01, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

So it is settled! Danny, you shall represent NANAU Local 15393202 by going to the RfA poll place –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 23:05, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: NANAU Local 15393202? --DannyS712 (talk) 23:05, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Levivich and I have formed a union. We have also named you president of our local. Congratulations!!! –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 23:08, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: Thanks, but again, I don't need or want the tools at this time, nor am I qualified to have them --DannyS712 (talk) 23:09, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

*Throws RfA cake in garbage and hangs head in shame* Fine.... –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 23:14, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: I mean I'll still eat the cake... --DannyS712 (talk) 23:17, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

You would make a very good admin and we need good Admins. Legacypac (talk) 07:09, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@Legacypac: I'm flattered, but I don't have a need for the tools, so its not something I'm considering. Sorry, --DannyS712 (talk) 07:26, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Some cake for you!

Well here we go! –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 23:24, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: thanks. Help yourself to a slice - @Levivich too --DannyS712 (talk) 23:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

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@Xaosflux: Thank you so much. I will be sure to mark the edits as minor. --DannyS712 (talk) 17:22, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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@Xaosflux: Thanks. I'll be sure not to mark the edits as minor (I won't touch the line of code that sets this: notminor: true,. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:37, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

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