Talk:American Bulldog

The whole history

1)I took out any mention of Spain, it's tangential at best, totally bullshit at worst. I have heard about Bulldogs being imported into Spain, but who knows how many and where to (Mallorca, the British colony perhaps?). I'm not trying to pick fights here, but nothing I've read and nothing I've heard point to a significant introduction of English bulldog blood into the strains of any Spanish breeds, nor the English bulldogs popularity there.

2)Calling the bulldog of England pre-1835, the Olde English Bulldog is silly, it just is. The "Olde English Bulldog" is a modern breed bred of several different bulldog-types, meaning it has other breeds infused - the pug, the White English Terrier and modern English Mastiff specifically. Further, the bulldog of pre-1835 was not distingushed as the "old" bulldog or anything like that. Who have you known who ever called his early model Mustang the old Mustang. "Old" suggests something of the past, for people who owned these dogs at any time up until 1835 they're ownership was in the present. Further, adding an "e" to the word old, is cheesy and never happened for as long or as often as people like to think. Finally, distinguishing the pre-1835 bulldog as something different than the modern bulldog is tricky. But we can say this, genetically they are the same breed and the English Bulldog in its pure form - the AKC variety is a bastardized version - still exists, just that his place of residence has changed.

ABNA is listed under registries, they are neither a registry or a club and should not fall under either category. They simply sanction shows where AB owners may show their dogs.

Reads like a love letter to the breed

This doesn’t feel particularly objective as-is. 90.252.51.239 (talk) 08:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

This is most definitely an apologetic article about the breed and should be changed in factual manner. 89.249.108.117 (talk) 12:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

This is clearly a propaganda article

Even leaving aside the ridiculous affectionate tone of the article, the editorial intent is made especially clear by omitting that American bulldogs are pitbulls as well as the associated facts of that breed. 107.199.157.69 (talk) 18:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

This article is ridiculously biased

From the beginning this article just reads like its avoiding the mention of something major. For whatever reason it goes off on a massive ramble about England and the Old English Bulldog, one mention of ‘it descends from the old english bulldog’ would be fine, the constant mention of england is weird considering the American Bulldog has nothing to do with england (other than its ancestor being from there).

The ‘Temperament and characteristics’ section is ridiculous, sources 16, 17, and 18 are completely unreliable and biased.

The ‘appearance’ section has no sources for some reason despite it being the easiest to find sources for.

’American Bulldogs are now safe from extinction and their popularity has increased in their homeland, either as a working/protector dog, as a family pet, or both. All over the world, they are used variously as "hog dogs" (catching escaped hogs or hunting feral pigs), as cattle drovers, and as working or sport K-9s. American Bulldogs also successfully compete in several dog sports such as dog obedience, Schutzhund, French Ring, Mondioring, Iron Dog competition, and weight pulling. They are also exhibited in conformation shows in the UKC, ABA, ABRA, ORKC, EKC, and NKC.’ This entire section is unsourced and makes some big claims.

same with this paragraph: ‘Perhaps the most important role of the American Bulldog and the reason for its survival, and in fact why it thrived throughout the South, was because of the presence of feralpigs, introduced to the New World and without predators. The bulldogs were the settlers' only means of sufficiently dealing with the vermin.’

This breed has a widely accepted history in dog fighting yet this article includes none of this, I can only assume its some sort of lobbying attempt to hide the history of these dogs. Some of the sources even say that it used to be a fighting dog but this article just completely omits it.

How can they be guardians on ranches and farms yet also a catch dog and hog hunter? That would put the livestock at risk, yet this is mentioned several times in the article, theres no proof of them being farm and ranch guardians other than people in present day going ‘bro trust me’.

also the sources provided for this - ‘Overall, the American Bulldog is a breed that truly falls in love with his family and will do anything to keep it safe if the dog correctly senses danger up to, and including, risking its life to save them.’ - are just two separate occasions, I don’t think two cases can reliably prove something.

I’m not going to comment on this article any further than this because I know people are going to argue so I’m just going to end this by saying, this article has a lot of problems if the dog was imported to america in the 17th century as you say, please provide sources from the 17th century documenting these dogs in America. Please use this website, (https://archive.org/), to find sources from before the 1960s to use in the history section. Someone with a neutral point of view needs to work on this article, its clearly written by breed advocates. SpookMew (talk) 14:13, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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I removed the following paragraph for several reasons, namely because its source is specifically discussing the English bulldog, not the American bulldog and the source article is actually alluding to two different studies in 2016, Evaluating the performance of selection scans to detect selective sweeps in domestic dogs is the one involving 25 dog breeds and A genetic assessment of the English bulldog is the source for the 68 original dogs and the English bulldog prediction. . I think its good info, I'm just not sure if or how it could be incorporated in the American bulldog article as neither study actually used American bulldogs.

Bulldogs in general are excessively inbred. A 2016 study of 25 dog breeds found that bulldogs come from some of the oldest landraces and were not produced by mixing any. The same study cited evidence that the entire landrace and later breeds descend from just 68 original dogs. This lack of genetic diversity is reflected in current breeds.

Annwfwn (talk) 10:18, 20 December 2023 (UTC) Annwfwn (talk) 10:18, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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