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Random advice

Regarding some of the recent discussion threads on acceptable comments during requests for administrative privileges: I find it difficult to offer advice, as my previous advice was, in part, "don't take advice from random people on the Internet". However, along the same lines, I feel it's important to avoid becoming overly invested in seeking trust from random people on the Internet. For better or worse, some people (on- or offline) will behave in ways we can't understand. Our control over that is very limited, so we can only manage our reaction and temper how much we choose to engage. Best wishes again for everything you choose to do. isaacl (talk) 03:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't regret a word of what I said. Nothing is ever going to change if people suffer in silence and don't try to stop toxicity in our community, whether it's at RfA or elsewhere. I'm not asking for anything groundbreaking here – just for people to do the right thing and not cast aspersions or be needlessly cruel. I've always taken issue with the fact that people will act like it's the victim's fault for having feelings and feeling hurt by such situations. It's human nature. I realize that you're trying to be helpful, but please do think about what I'm trying to say? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 05:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
I apologize for being unclear. My comments were not related to that thread, but to the previous actions to which you referred. You expressed regret about some previous actions that you made in an attempt to allay another person's concerns. I'm suggesting that you needn't be overly worried about the concerns of an anonymous person, as there may be no way to resolve them, but of course it's up to you. I agree that you are the best judge of what course of action to take. Please rest assured I understand what you have been saying, and feel free to pay me no mind, as per my advice. isaacl (talk) 06:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
You're always welcome to throw your two cents here so please don't ever feel like your opinion is not worth giving, okay? I may not always agree with everyone who shows up to my talk page but I'm always willing to listen and hear them out at least.
I see a bit more where you're coming from now. Yeah... that was a "if I had a time machine" kind of wish. I wish past me had never tried to assuage that person's concerns. I was trying to level the playing field because they could only really take other people's word that I had been to meetups so I genuinely thought that sharing a photograph of me would be enough to banish any lingering doubt. But that situation ended up going the way I would never have predicted in that they think I look like a banned sockmaster too. If I had never reached out, I wouldn't have been hurt the same way and I wouldn't have a reason to avoid said editor whenever our paths cross. It's just a situation that sucks on multiple levels. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
obXKCD. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

RfA debriefs

There's a place to link or create one, if you've written one or are thinking of doing so. Valereee (talk) 13:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I think starting that recent discussion at WT:RFA is all I'm willing to write on the subject at the moment. I was planning to eventually write something here about my experiences, but it's quite generalized for now. I can let you know when you want if it's that something you'd be interested in? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Sure! Valereee (talk) 19:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Hey Valereee, I wrote one. I'm warning you ahead of that time that it's quite long and you might have to read it in more than one sitting. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 05:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Very thoughtful, and I always find it interesting to learn how the process is going internally for the candidate/potential candidate. Thank you for setting all that down! Valereee (talk) 11:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: rollback issues

I had my rollback rights intentionally removed by request due to major issues with the interface. Viriditas (talk) 21:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: What kind of issues were you experiencing? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Unintentional rollback while browsing on mobile desktop. I thought I had solved the problem by getting rid of the rollback right, but now some old script is giving me rollback links in contribution view. Can you take a look at my script files? Viriditas (talk) 07:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
@Viriditas: I'm horrible at understanding scripts, but it sounds like you're describing twinkle as it also has a rollback feature that isn't "real" rollback. Going to Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences might help you with what you're looking for? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Fixed! You’re the bee’s knees! The only thing I can think of is that sometime after I had rollback removed, I must have somehow turned the Twinkle features on by accident. No idea how that happened. Viriditas (talk) 08:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @Viriditas: if you ever want to request rollback again, there is an option under Preferences > Gadgets to require confirmation when using rollback on mobile; this helps decrease the chances of doing accidental rollback. :) –FlyingAce✈hello 14:54, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Just be sure to not also check the preference where you open up said user's contributions after the fact because that's when saying "no" to the confirmation prompt does nothing! These settings do not work together and I didn't immediately realize this even though it says so in that menu. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I honestly have no need for rollback, so I probably won't re-request it. I'm really only here to write and improve articles. I will leave the patrolling to others. Viriditas (talk) 00:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from SoryThank (08:44, 11 May 2024)

What if i edit the pages with the Warning of Undisclosed Payments or Major contributor have closed connection with it. Is I'm will blocked if i edit on these warning pages. ?? --SoryThank (talk) 08:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@SoryThank: Editing such a page itself will not cause you to be blocked unless there are other factors involved. However, if you are being paid to edit, you must disclose this. There's a good guide about what to do if you have a conflict of interest that you can read here. Feel free to come back if you have any other questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
How to disclose ? What is Disclose SoryThank (talk) 08:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
@SoryThank: Disclosing means saying that you are being paid to edit (and not just keeping it a secret). You can use {{connected contributor}} on your userpage to let people know. If you find the template confusing, I can add it for you, if you tell me what you might have a conflict of interest about. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Thank you For Giving me Information SoryThank (talk) 09:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
I'm unable to edit Draft Articles. A warning shows that my IP address is blocked but my account is not blocked. what is the Problem? SoryThank (talk) 09:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Are you available? SoryThank (talk) 10:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
@SoryThank: I'm not always available. I'm under the impression you should be able to edit draftspace, given that you're able to edit here and you are not partially blocked from draftspace. Is there a specific draft you're trying to edit? What exactly happens when you try to do so? Also, it's important to declare whether or not you are a paid editor. Could you confirm this by either saying "yes" or "no"? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
I'm not a Paid user.
The problem is with my IP address.
I'm unable to edit Draft Articles and abme to edit Articles in the main Space. SoryThank (talk) 13:02, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@SoryThank: I just can't think of anything that would cause you to actually have that problem even if your IP address is blocked. I'll ask around in case other people know something I don't. Are you trying to start a new draft or edit an existing one? If it's a new page, it might be "salted"? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

You have to give Wikipedia:IP block exemption SoryThank (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for your email, Clovermoss. This account is a sockpuppet of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nauman335 and has been blocked. A telltale sign with these sockfarms is creating pages with unnecessary disambiguators, such as this account's Zard Patton Ka Bunn (2024), since Zard Patton Ka Bunn had already been repeatedly deleted. Pretty well any new article on a recent Pakistani television show is likely to be this sockfarm's work, unfortunately. Thanks for your help. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:09, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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Protection of AN and ANI headers

Hey, not a big deal, but that seems a bit PREEMPTish to me. They're each transcluded in only one page, which is usually unprotected. So anyone could disrupt just as easily by editing AN or ANI directly. I have, in the past, made a few improvements[citation needed] to the header, and so have some other non-TEs. Maybe semi or EC would be sufficient? (Also, I don't think we want to give EEng free reign over the header...) Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 02:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm always happy to be a punch line for the amusement of my fellow editors. EEng 05:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Suffusion of Yellow. My concern was not about transclusions which is why I made a dummy edit here. My protection was placed solely due to this phrasing over at Wikipedia:High-risk templates (which allows preemptive protection): It is used in a permanently highly visible location (such as the Main page). AN/ANI are both highly watched and visible pages but the templates are not. It actually took me a half hour of looking at the source code on the page to figure out what was going on there when I wanted to improve the AN header to match something that was said on the ANI one. Essentially, my thought process was that autoconfirmed wasn't much of a barrier and that a vandal could target AN/ANI this way and people wouldn't easily know who to revert. I also figured that the nature of these templates meant people weren't editing them often/those who would likely had the template editor perm. But if another admin thinks it's overkill on my end, I'm okay with my protection of the pages being reversed. Pinging Novem Linguae who knows a lot more about templates than I do. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 05:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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Howdy! Thanks for the ping. I agree with Suffusion of Yellow on this one. I don't think the community likes WP:PREEMPT, and these two pages have no recent vandalism in their history, and these two pages do not qualify for automatic protection. The two pages also have a history of constructive edits by non-template editors. I would recommend unprotecting completely the two pages, although will leave the decision up to you. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
I disagree that they don't qualify because my rationale was literally the section above the one you linked (the visibility aspect). But as I said, I really don't mind if someone wants to reverse the action. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Enough objection has been raised here that I'll undo the protection myself when I have a spare few minutes later today. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 Done what I said I would do. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Frankly, I find that page confusing, what is "highly visible" even supposed to mean in that context? The example given (the Main Page) doesn't really help; that's cascade-protected. I guess one could consider total pageviews, e.g. if a template is transcluded into 50 pages, each getting 100,000 views/day, it's not "highly transcluded" by still "highly visible". Or does it supposed to mean "transcluded into a protected page that gets lots of views"...? In any case I still wouldn't object to EC protection of the headers, but would prefer to wait for actual disruption from a few AC accounts. ANI may be the center of wiki-drama, and is certainly a magnet for vandals, but it still only gets about 4000 views/day. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
The way I interpreted it was that a template that transcludes onto a page that is highly visible, not necessarily protected itself. It gave the example of the main page as a highly visible permanent location so I thought that the main noticeboards for adminstration of the website would fit that definition (as they consistently get hundreds of thousands of pageviews monthly). Again, my concern was that it's a way to easily vandalize AN/ANI without anyone noticing right away (changes to said template are not going to show up as changes to AN/ANI so people who are just watching that page aren't going to see it and people who don't understand what exactly is transcluding won't know who to revert). That seemed to fit the vibe of what Wikipedia:High-risk templates was describing, hence my original decision. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Ricardo Ghekiere (20:37, 16 May 2024)

Hi there!

Just submitted my first article and open for feedback on the style, editing or anything else!

Ricardo Ghekiere --Ricardo Ghekiere (talk) 20:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ricardo Ghekiere – I assume you're talking about your userpage? I realize that this probably isn't the best news to hear, but I deleted it because it is unambiguous advertising or promotion. The purpose of Wikipedia isn't that but to write neutral articles notable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. This guide may be useful if you wish to try again? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Hammerhead1959 (22:43, 16 May 2024)

Hello my name is Greg.....what exactly would I edit --Hammerhead1959 (talk) 22:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hammerhead1959: Whatever you wish to edit. If you'd like to explain your general interests, I can try to find a fitting "wikiproject" or walk you through how to expand articles that are lacking in content. I've left some links on your talk page that may be helpful as well. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Bluebellwoodland (18:52, 19 May 2024)

Hi, I'm new to this and registered because I saw something that appeared to be misleading and was unevidenced on an entry that I was looking up. I've put in an extended confirmed protected request with the info but can't seem to see if anyone has reviewed it. How does this work - do I just wait for someone to look at it? --Bluebellwoodland (talk) 18:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bluebellwoodland, edit requests are reviewed by volunteers when they have time, so you are correct in your guess that you do have to wait for someone to look at it. In the meantime, I'll leave some links on your talk page that you might find useful. Always feel free to ask me questions if you're confused about anything. Cheers, Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your prompt reply. How long does it usually take and how would I know if someone has reviewed it? (just as it's coming up to a couple of weeks, and I don't know whether to realistically expect that it would be looked at and considered, or it's unlikely to be). Bluebellwoodland (talk) 10:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bluebellwoodland – You can see any edits people make to a page if you have it on your watchlist (this shows up as a filled in star on the top of the page; if it isn't full, just click it). I realize that you've been patient, so how about I'll take a look at your draft and give you some constructive advice? I have the ability to pass or reject drafts, even if I rarely do so. It'd help if you could provide a link so I can easily find it. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
Here is a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Omar_Ferwana&oldid=1224317790
(Incidentally, I've been practising some wildflower id in preparation for meadow surveying this year, and I was pleased to see the hairs when I zoomed in on your picture of clover - obviously the flower helped too!) Bluebellwoodland (talk) 09:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bluebellwoodland. It's nice to hear you like clover as well :) What you have linked is actually an edit request and not a draft. That said, you were still right on your assumption that you have to wait for these to get approved/rejected. I'm guessing some factors involved in why you've been waiting awhile are that not every editor speaks Arabic and some editors are hesitant to work in areas designated as contentious topics. I don't speak Arabic or know anyone off the top of my head that does but I do know someone who had extensive experience handling edit requests and has also worked with contentious topics. ScottishFinnishRadish, any chance you have any ideas here? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
You've got it right. There's a confluence of factors making it less likely for this request to be handled, although eventually someone clearing the asking requests will get to it. It might be worth dropping a note at a wikiproject, or making the edit request at RFPP to get more eyes on it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Also, I noticed you mentioned that it actually was an edit request in your initial question. I'm not sure where I got the false assumption that you were asking about a draft? Usually it's what people to come to me to ask about so I think I just leapt to conclusions there. Sorry. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for that, and no problem.
I only added the Arabic because I was trying my best to find a reference for what was said, and even the Arabic page doesn't say that, even though much of the rest of it just seems to be a direct translation. The English reference provided doesn't, and to be fair, if it is an English page, the reference for such a controversial allegation should be easily available, which was why it irked me. If it is evidenced, that is fine.
I understand why, as you said, some editors would see this as contentious, and to be fair, this is not something I'd otherwise be interested in, except that I was doing some research on doctors killed in conflict zones, and came across it, but have just realised that there are probably lots of things on wikipedia like this that I have no idea about which is a slightly sobering reflection. In any case, thanks for the work you do on here! Bluebellwoodland (talk) 13:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Ketchup chips

I have a photo of a ketchup chip bag from Portugal but don’t know how to upload it. @ Marksuniverse (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Marksuniverse. I'm assuming this is related to how I recently reverted you here? I believe you that there are indeed ketchup chips in Portugal. My concern has more to do with how such information needs to be verifiable from a reliable source. I tried to find one to support your addition but the search results I found were ads, which aren't appropriate sources. To answer your question though, files can typically be uploaded through our sister project: Wikimedia Commons. It can get a bit complicated when dealing with taking photos of food packaging because they often have trademarks or logos that are protected by copyright. I'd double check with their help desk before trying to upload this file for that reason. I hope you find this helpful – feel free to come back here if you have any other questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Jw53442 studio (03:35, 26 May 2024)

Idk how to --Jw53442 studio (talk) 03:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jw53442 studio. I'm afraid I don't have enough context here to know what you'd like help with. Could you please elaborate? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Noahabram12 (06:37, 29 May 2024)

Hello, Can I add Information para with citation, Can you please its good to give situation every time or not --Noahabram12 (talk) 06:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

FYI MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#jigsky.com. Pahunkat (talk) 08:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Noahabram12 (09:04, 29 May 2024)

Hello, can you please help me to remove my domain in spaim --Noahabram12 (talk) 09:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

@Noahabram12: I am only able to help with questions related to editing Wikipedia. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I am guessing that this friend was talking about the MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. (See also their talk page.) You could fix that, though in this case the blacklist is certainly doing its job ;)

And nice to see you back at RfA as a nominator, Clovermoss. I had the pleasure of working with Elli at Talk:1934 German head of state referendum/GA1, and look forward to casting a support !vote. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't even think of that! I don't have any plans to mess with the spam blacklist 😅 I'm glad to hear that you also believe in Elli. She really is wonderful. I hope my newly minted adminship doesn't end up being a detriment to her candidacy. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Distinction at RFA

Thanks for calling out the difference between Oversight and Revdel. I was unaware. Even though I thought it was a RevDel I removed the question as it may have been related to something personal. The second question was innocuous IMO but I think it got scrutinized because of who asked. The candidate answered it anyway. So thanks for nominating this candidate - we need an admin like this with good mainspace participation. I hope someday we can also meet in person as it seems to remove the thoughts that some editors are boogeymen or saboteurs. Have a great weekend. Lightburst (talk) 01:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, sometimes it does help to get a chance to meet the person behind the screen. I'm not sure how far you are from Ontario but I'm generally open to meeting Wikipedians in public places if you're ever around. If you're curious, I'm the young woman in the green hoodie here. The last time I shared this with someone didn't go so well, but hopefully this conversation won't turn out the same way. As for the questions, I think there's a decent chance they would've been moderated even if you weren't the one to ask them. I think people are generally trying to be less harsh on RfA candidates (I think the aftermath of questions #6 and #7 in my RfA might have influenced this a bit; it's also possible I'm overestimating my own importance here). Anyways, I hope you have a good weekend as well. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
I plan to travel soon. The only places I have been in Canada is BC and I had to take a ferry to Vancouver Island. I was there to visit a friend who has died since. I think this would be a kinder place if everyone had to be a real person and not a username. It is easy to be mean or snarky when you can throw away a username and start a new one. And easy to be mean to other editors with throwaway names. In RFA, there has long been an unofficial steering committee, and they are very jumpy about oppose voters and even more so now. For my part, I always scrutinize the RFA candidates because it is a lifetime appointment and getting a bad admin or a braggadocios block-first admin is a real possibility. If these were five year stints it would be no bog deal. But think of all the life changes people have and just imagine if you live to be 100, you will still be an admin. It is a nice photo by the way, looks like a wikimeet. Some Wikipedians that I admire are in the UK and NZ. I am not sure we will ever meet. I like to make peace with editors since I too will be editing until I am 100 and many of them will too. Cheers. Lightburst (talk) 02:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes, that photo was taken at a meetup. Wikipedia Day in Toronto, earlier this year. I was talking to newbies about how to edit. It's a bit different trying to do this in person but I liked it. It's what inspired newbie central at the top of this page. :)
I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I recently vacationed in Victoria and it was beautiful. I also encountered a lovely intersection of streets (Clover Avenue and Moss Street) as well as Clover Point. It's on my to do list of articles to create. :) I don't think you commented on this at my RfA but I do try to create some content every now and then. I actually started clover lawn while I was running at RfA. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, BC is spectacular. I think some people are what they appear to be, and maybe you are. Someone met you and said so in your RFA, and you met this candidate and said so in the RFA. The lifetime thing is probably why so many folks dig. Wayback machine, WPO and all other means. By the way, I murder the clovers and dandelions on my lawn with chemicals. They take over and are considered weeds. lol Maybe I would be kinder to nature if I grew a Clover lawn! Lightburst (talk) 02:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
One person's weed is another one's flower. I hope you reconsider your stance on the lawn but I'm also not going to tell you what to do with your life. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Feedback

Hello, Clovermoss,
My NPP review period is ending and I'd like your feedback so I can improve. I'm also wondering what is the procedure to be able to keep the user right for a longer period (permanent would be nice but I'd like a long period). Thanks! If you reply here, please ping me. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Noted. I'll get back to you with some feedback within the next few days. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
@TheTechie: Okay, so here is my feedback:
  • You've only made 21 patrols during the time period so it's a bit difficult to extrapolate your entire skillset here. I'd like to see more experience patrolling before I grant a permission permanently.
  • I'd be careful marking articles that look like this as patrolled. It's a good idea to use page curation to add tags (in this case, I would've added an unsourced tag or considered draftifying). I notice that you eventually made use of this feature here and here so I doubt I'm saying anything you haven't already realized.
  • I'd suggest being careful reviewing articles like Janaki Sthan unless you understand the language that is used as a source. It can be more difficult to find some issues like copyright violations or if the reference used even mentions the subject of the article.
  • I'd also suggest being careful when reviewing sports-related articles (such as Blake Howes). I just want to make sure you're aware of WP:SPORTCRIT because it's an area where notability requirements have changed over time.
  • However, I don't see any glaring issues after spotchecking your patrols. You've done well. :) I'm happy that you spotted the copyright violation on Ron Burman and requested revdel. Those aren't always easy to discern. Since my initial trial perm was only a month, I'll extend the right another three months so you have a chance to gain more experience. If things continue to go well, I wouldn't be opposed to granting the perm on a permanent basis.
Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 23:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Though please remind me if you can before it ends, in case I forget. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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Help me sir

Greetings sir, I saw my article was unfairly nominated for deletion, sir i pled you help me revert it so I can further improve the article and i don’t know why the edit did that as I used references from reliable sources, please help remove the tag @Light Hill Music, thanks. Madeforall1 (talk) 06:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Madeforall1, you shouldn't remove any tag from article and stop disturbing editors irrelevantly with bad faith rationale. The article was limited for certain reasons, it's your duty to argue why it shouldn't be deleted. See WP:AFD. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 07:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Everything is fine Sir, I assume Good faith. Madeforall1 (talk) 07:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi Madeforall1, there's no need for honorifics. Your conversation above was presumably with one of my page watchers. Anyways, reverting an AfD nomination is not how one should act in these scenarios. You should participate in the AfD itself, which I see you have already done. It looks like the main concern is WP:NMUSICIAN – Wikipedia has its own guidelines for which subjects are notable enough for an article. I would try to focus your comments at AfD in regards to how you think this article meets the listed criteria there. Reading Wikipedia:Guide to deletion might also help. Feel free to come back here with any further questions if you're still confused, okay? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from SmallButtons (09:54, 5 June 2024)

I joined and put up a page about myself - Ray (Raymond) Martin - with reference gowr.co.uk a few days ago but nothing seems to have appeared. --SmallButtons (talk) 09:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi SmallButtons. It appears that you are talking about your userpage. It's a page that's meant to briefly tell people about who you are as a person and is not an article that people will read in mainspace. As an example, this is mine. If you're trying to draft an article, please read this page. Writing an autobiography is heavily discouraged because it is a conflict of interest. I'd suggest trying to find some other article to work on that fits your interests. I can help you find an article you might be interested in improving if you give me some ideas about what exactly those interests are. Feel free to also come back here if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
I wanted to publish it as an article because I have been more than 70 years in many aspects of entertainment - the facts are verifiable. Most are on the Members page of The Grand Order of Water Rats gowr.co.uk. Television credits for many programs both as performer and writer. My late father, George Martin The Casual Comedian, has a Wikipedia entry. I was on the Talking Pictures tv program 'The Girls (And Boys) Of The Windmill' a few year ago. I appear at certain tv conventions for iconic series. SmallButtons (talk) 18:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
@SmallButtons: It's still the case that conflict-of-interest editing is heavily discouraged. The general idea is that if someone meets Wikipedia's definition of a notable individual, someone else will be willing to write the article and that this outcome is preferable. That said, heavily discouraged is not quite the same thing as impossible. This guide provides more specific advice about how editors should approach a topic in which they have a conflict of interest. Essentially, you should declare this conflict of interest on your userpage, write neutrally, cite sources that are mostly about you and reliable, and submit that draft to be reviewed by another editor. I have moved the content on your userpage to Draft:Ray Martin, where you can continue to try to meet these requirements. If your draft is eventually converted into an article, you should refrain from editing it directly and make an edit request if you wish to make further changes. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Noting that I have also left advice over at Draft talk:Ray Martin. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. I am not very tech savvy. I have looked at Draft: Ray Martin. I have quoted reference gowr.co.uk-members because that is an official site and there is a fairly full biography of me on there. Other than that I have playbills, contracts, clippings, photos and so on but I wouldn't imagine I would be required to send them. So ... from Draft what would I then click to continue submission? SmallButtons (talk) 09:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi SmallButtons, I'll add a button that allows you to submit the draft, but it's incredibly unlikely that it will be accepted as-is. Wikipedians generally are concerned with ensuring that potential article subjects meet our notability standards and the best way to do this is to cite three independent sources that cover you in-depth throughout the draft. These sources don't have to be online. For example, if you physically have newspaper clippings about your career, these would be a good idea to cite as a source. Does that help? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I have added some of the details you suggest. Let's wait and see. Many thanks again SmallButtons (talk) 09:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2024).

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Question from Subda onha niguahuooajiesiodni (21:47, 5 June 2024)

hello why the heck is your name Clovermoss? --Subda onha niguahuooajiesiodni (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Subda onha niguahuooajiesiodni. I don't edit under my full name although some Wikipedians do choose to do so. When I created my account, "clover" and "moss" were the first two words that came to mind. I combined these two words to create my username. As your mentor, I'm here to answer questions you have about editing. Feel free to come back here and ask if you have any. I'd also encourage you to be slightly more polite when engaging with other editors as civility is one of our five pillars. Cheers and happy editing, Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rectech enthusiast (09:27, 6 June 2024)

Hey clover, Thanks for the support! I am exploring wiki rn, If I have any questions Ill let u know. Thanks!! --Rectech enthusiast (talk) 09:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Rectech enthusiast, glad to hear it! You may find the links at the top of the page useful as you're exploring. I'll also leave a generalized welcome on your talk page that has some more. :) Feel free to come back here any time you have specific questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Pineen (14:15, 6 June 2024)

hello How do i create a citation? --Pineen (talk) 14:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Pineen. This page sounds like it'd be what you're looking for. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
This award is given in recognition to Clovermoss for accumulating at least 25 points during the May 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions helped play a part in the 14,452 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 18:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Hey man im josh. I prefer to stick to redirects and while they didn't count for this drive, I'm still happy I got to chip in a little. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

An apology

Hi Clovermoss. I am here to apologize for my behavior at your RfA. That was a long time ago, but I've often thought of it since then. I truly hope it hasn't stuck with you the same way it has with me.

With hindsight, my wall of text was unnecessarily long and harsh. It unreasonably exaggerated the situation and improperly questioned your judgement on issues of which I had no knowledge. My response to your apology was curt.

I was writing with some very visceral emotions (against the subject of discussion, not against you personally). I wish I had been nicer. In that moment I forgot how hard RfA can be on the candidate, and I now think my behavior was an example of why that is. You did the right thing in responding to my concerns – that set you apart as someone open to criticism and willing to learn, which is honestly the only requirement for adminship you truly need, and I greatly respect you for it.

In the six months since, from what I can tell, you have done swimmingly as a new administrator. Even at the time, I knew this would be the case, but I was too upset to let reason decide my !vote. I am very happy about your successful nomination of Elli for adminship – may you bring many more such candidates to the attention of the community!

I'm sorry that I was a pain. I don’t hold a grudge against you or think you're a bad person, though my rant might have made it seem that way. That unpleasant experience only made me respect you more. Thank you for putting yourself forward as a candidate for adminship, thank you for passing, thank you for your contributions before and since, and most of all thank you for your patience with me. Yours, Toadspike [Talk] 16:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Toadspike. I appreciate the apology and the confidence but try not to be too hard on yourself? I rarely hold grudges against other people and I can assure you that even beforehand you were not one of them. I once voted neutral on an RfA that I've since come to regret (Nosebagbear's) and I'll never have the chance to tell them that I thought they actually turned out to be a great admin. I think it's normal for people to realize that sometimes they made the wrong call about someone, y'know? All that said, I am happy that I have earned your trust. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind response. I find it's usually better to be too hard on myself than too hard on others. I have a similar regret to yours – I regret not participating in Vami's RfA. Thankfully you're still here and willing to listen. Toadspike [Talk] 22:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

JuniperChill's experience at editing and RfA

Hello Clovermoss,

I hope you don't mind me sharing my experience at editing here and because I started editing the day of your RFA. I see you have an editor reflections page but I am not sure I consider myself an experienced editor considering I have just under 1000 edits.

I can't believe I started properly editing on Wikipedia again on the day you started your RfA on December 13, 2023. I created this account in June 2020, but only made some changes to transport related articles at the time. It might be because of the pandemic that happened at that time or I just wanted to add some stuff. (my first 50 edits) I since took stopped editing and I didn't plan to edit for a long while. I took a very long pause from editing (other than one edit to my sandbox for some odd reason) I wasn't comfortable to vote on RFAs at the time but I would have definitely supported it not merely because of the almost unanimous support!. I was known as breathinkeeps32 at the time and then I decided to change my username to my current one in January this year.

I have huge interests in video games (including cozy games and farm life sims) and transport (especially railways) hence most of my edits are to those topics. I have since created Coffee Talk Episode 2: Hibiscus & Butterfly exactly one year after release and even made it on its way to a successful DYK plus major expansions to My Time at Sandrock. I also made some expansions at Midland Main Line upgrade, UKCA marking and a little at My Time at Portia and East Midlands Railway.

My first RfA vote was in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elli which you nominated and made this comment which I found funny to myself given that the mop was waiting for her in a cupboard. I really love my first vote and especially considering this is going to be the first successful RfA where the voting period is 5 days rather than 7. I am also going to say you are an excellent Wikipedia user and nominator given that you self-nom for adminship and were the only nominator on Elli's RfA. Hope you enjoy! JuniperChill (talk) 23:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi JuniperChill, I'm not very gatekeepey when it comes to who gets to participate at editor reflections. If you consider yourself to be experienced enough then that's good enough for me. People's paths can vary dramatically but it sounds like you've done a lot in your modest amount of edits and I won't hold that against you. Also, thank you for sharing your personal anecdotes with me here. I do find it interesting how such coincidences happen sometimes... It's a Small World afterall. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. I will have a look at contributing to your editor reflections page in a couple/few months time (~September). Only reason why I discovered it is because of the invitations on experienced editors (which I thought was a requirement at first) as well as on your RFA. I also voted on my second RFA. Plus this gives me a starting point for it. And as a side note, this is my 1000th edit. I am no longer checking my edit count every time now. JuniperChill (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Egevans12345 (18:06, 11 June 2024)

how do title my page --Egevans12345 (talk) 18:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Egevans12345. Is this page what you're looking for? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Uviwé.Maraj on Truth or Dare (Tyla song) (18:28, 11 June 2024)

hello, how do you put samples? --Uviwé.Maraj (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Uviwé.Maraj, are you talking about music samples? This page is probably what you're looking for. If what you want is to actually listen to a full song, I would suggest watching it on YouTube, as having it on our website would be a copyright violation. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Cripcuz60s (13:05, 12 June 2024)

hey i jus signed up um do u have any suggestions for me --Cripcuz60s (talk) 13:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Cripcuz60s. I left some links on your talk page that you may find helpful. Otherwise I'd suggest exploring and finding where you might want to edit organically. I have some additional resources listed at the top of this page. Let me know if there's anything you find confusing. I'll do my best to help. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from ContentCreatorMD (17:00, 14 June 2024)

How do I create a page --ContentCreatorMD (talk) 17:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@ContentCreatorMD: This guide is what you're looking for. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jackthemall (18:22, 14 June 2024)

How do I make a page about someone? --Jackthemall (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jackthemall. This page explains how you would go about that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Aww

Thank you for believing in me :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

harv/sfn no-target errors in Jehovah's Witnesses

Hi, in Jehovah's Witnesses you have a couple of references, "Chryssides, p. 89" and "Chryssides, p. 116" which are causing harv/sfn no-target errors. There are several works by Chryssides listed in the references (three in the Sources, and more in the actual References). If you could fix these that would be appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: Sorry about that. I just added the missing year to two sources with the page numbers you listed. Did I miss any others? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, it's removed the article from the error category. DuncanHill (talk) 14:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from soapboxing

People who openly declare Christianity on their profile should probably avoid doing things like "bold editing" articles on MAID. Wiki is an encyclopedia, not a political soapbox. 142.160.101.97 (talk) 08:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, may I ask why you think my edits are political soapboxing? I assume you're referring to Talk:Euthanasia in Canada#My recent bold edits since you've recently made a bunch of edits to that page. I ask that you generally focus on content and not the contributor – it's particularly important when interacting with others who may have alternate perspectives than your own. I'm open to the idea that the article could be better but you don't have to insult people to bring up concerns. For a start, maybe you could explain what exactly your concerns are with my actual editing or more broadly, about the article in general (there's a substantial part of the article content that I had absolutely nothing to do with). To be clear, what I had in mind of a possible split article was something like "Legal history of euthanasia in Canada". I trimmed a lot of the tangentially related content because otherwise a tag regarding article size would've been appropriate.
By the way, I haven't believed in God since I was 13. I don't think this magically makes me unbiased in the subject matter. It's a bit difficult to be completely indifferent when such legislation impacts me on a personal level, which is why I'm trying to be a bit more considerate to said concerns even though I think my recent edits are reasonable. I don't see why you'd assume someone's religious beliefs makes them inherently unsuitable for editing any given topic area. There's 2.2 billion Christians and it's inappropriate to suggest that everyone in that group is somehow incapable of editing neutrally. Also, bold editing is generally encouraged. If people have problems with said edits, discussion about them often takes place. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

A belated apology

Hello Clovermoss, an RfA discussion about whether a certain oppose is valid has prompted me to remember the time I was on the opposite end of a similar dispute at your RfA a few months ago. This might seem a bit out of the blue, but on reflection I believe I was not only wrong on the issue at hand but I expressed myself in a way that was too harsh towards you. Sorry. I'm not sure how you felt about it exactly, but I remember you wrote a fairly long response to me and another editor who'd expressed a similar concern, so you must have been taking it at least somewhat seriously. – Teratix ₵ 10:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Teratix: Apology accepted. Surprisingly enough you're not the only one to come here lately to express the same idea. I'll offer the same advice I did then: it's not uncommon to change your mind about something and don't be too hard on yourself. I will admit that your opinion stung a little at the time, probably because I'd seen you across the project and otherwise had a good impression. That sort of thing makes rejection a wee bit harder. If you're curious about what I felt like in regards to RfA, I recently wrote a huge essay about it. Feel free to share your thoughts on that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Moosleute

You are right, I was interested in the Moss People. For two reasons. One. Plants. Two. Ich spreche ein wenig Deutsch. Hitting several of my interests at once. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 15:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@MtBotany: Yeah, I was reading a fantasy novel where a character made an offhand reference to a moss maiden and I was like... wait a second, really? I need to look that up right now! I was so excited when I came across the article for moss people and I'm glad you like it too. :) The more obscure parts of the project are always fascinating to find. While you're here, any chance you'd be willing to be share your love of plant editing? I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from I want a dad (05:12, 19 June 2024)

Where can I start to make an article? --I want a dad (talk) 05:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi I want a dad, what you're looking for is this page. While you're here, I think it's a good idea to consider that you might want to change your username to something that makes it easier to collaborate with other people. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Avneesh Srivastav (06:33, 20 June 2024)

How do I create Page? --Avneesh Srivastav (talk) 06:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@Avneesh Srivastav: You'll want to read this guide. Keep in mind that creating articles can be a bit of a difficult process and it may be best to work your way up to it. I have some additional resources here you might find useful. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


Question from Tincee Hema (12:57, 20 June 2024)

helloo i added one article in wikipedia but that is in my user page...i need to make it public....how can i do that...? please help me to make the articles public... --Tincee Hema (talk) 12:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tincee Hema, I moved your draft to Draft:Ullas Chemban. I also made some slight formatting changes and a button that will let you submit your draft when you think it's ready to be reviewed by another editor. You have the overall structure done quite well, but it's important to cite reliable sources supporting these statements, as verifiability is a crucial aspect of Wikipedia. Another factor to consider is that we have specific guidelines on notability within a Wikipedia specific context. If a reviewer isn't certain that your draft meets those requirements, it's incredibly unlikely to be accepted. If you're unsure of how to cite your sources, try this guide. Feel free to come back here if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Pings

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship

Looks like my unconventional method of fixing pings doesn't work. It's possible to read this page and come to the conclusion that an alternative solution is to properly link a user and signature in a new edit. [1] It looks like a new line is actually required. [2] Anyways, Red-tailed hawk, I meant to ping you earlier. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: Interestingly, the ping worked when editing your comment in user talk space but not in your regular user space. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
So [3] does work even though everything suggests it doesn't. Courtesy ping to Novem Linguae who understands tech stuff better than I do. I'm also cool with this whole side conversation being moved to my talk page because it's somewhat tangential to the issue at hand. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC) Note: I have done so now. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
I did some reading of the underlying PHP code, (and some percussive testing) it seems like a ping should show up if the following are true
  • The diffing algorithm thinks you added a new block (for example, when you view Clovermoss's edit in diff mode, the diffing algorithm puts it in a new block since Colvermoss also deleted a new line just above their comment, whereas this edit is considered to be a modification of text and not a new line addition)
  • Needs to have a valid wikilink to a username in the same new block
  • Must contain a raw signature while saving (i.e. ~~~~)
Sohom (talk) 14:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for figuring out the difference. I assumed it had something to do with trying it out in user/user talk page but the removal of a line makes sense (I didn't even realize I did that at the time). Do you think anything should be added to Template:Ping fix to make this clearer? Or that because Help:Fixing failed pings says to add a new line that this is unnessecary? To be quite frank, I never realized my unconventional method here didn't work. I vaguely recall someone telling me to do it years ago (or I misunderstood what they were saying and somehow came to the conclusion). No one's pointed out that this doesn't work until now. That goes to show you can always learn something new. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
I think the current docs are mostly fine, mostly cause they do mention adding a new line to the new message. Wrt to not knowing if a mention occurs,there is a option to enable getting a notification when a mention fails to go through in your preferences (Special > Preferences > Notifications > Failed mentions). Might be useful to document that in the docs. Sohom (talk) 01:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, missed the ping originally. I haven't tested as thoroughly as Sohom, but I have noticed pings tend to not work if I am modifying or deleting a paragraph rather than adding a paragraph. For any edit where I want pings to work, I try to make sure that I am only adding paragraphs. And of course they must be freshly signed and contain a link to a user page (or user talk page?). Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Nifemi125 on User:Nifemi125 (05:23, 24 June 2024)

Hello please how do I create a page --Nifemi125 (talk) 05:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nifemi125, read this page. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Assist on this please

Greetings sir, I’ve created this some weeks ago, and i been it’s a notable article as some editors has checked and patrolled on it, it meets Wikipedias GNS, please help review Kingdom Achievers Award, thanks. Madeforall1 (talk) 00:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Madeforall1, I'm not a "sir". Anyways, I'd suggest just being patient when it comes to a review of your article. There's a backlog of more than 11,000 articles so it might take awhile. I figured it might help to know it's not just you who is waiting. Feel free to come back if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Dear talk page watchers

If anyone wants to help expand Rock 'n Play beyond mere stub status, it'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Tried expanding, any feedback is highly appreciated :) Rectech enthusiast (talk) 07:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
@Rectech enthusiast: I do have some feedback. Try not to take it too harshly, I was pleasantly surprised to see a newbie editing an article I just started. Thank you for the additional sentence and source about what the sleeper was actually designed to do. No one owns article content but people can still find it difficult to be bold regardless. While I appreciate your desire to divide the content into sections, articles do need to have a lead. This lead should summarize what's been written about a topic so omitting any information about the recalls and infant deaths until later in the article isn't the best idea. It's a core aspect of the product's history. I also don't think an entire section needs to exist for the one sentence that's there so far about the Safe Sleep Act. If you don't already, I'd encourage you to have the article on your watchlist. I'm likely to edit the page again later today and it can be insightful to watch other editors in action. I did it all the time when I was a newbie. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Understood, Thank you for the feedback! Will keep this under my watch for sure. I read the article again, Surely looks better now :D Rectech enthusiast (talk) 11:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
Hey Clovermoss, Thank you for your contributions and efforts on Wikimedia. I really appreciated! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 05:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rectech enthusiast (07:02, 26 June 2024)

Hi there! I was wondering if I can start writing articles? I read the guidelines but are there any best practices to find topics to write on which already don't exist on wiki? --Rectech enthusiast (talk) 07:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rectech enthusiast: Wikipedia:Requested articles and Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red are places where you can find requests for articles to be written. Just make sure there's enough sources to meet Wikipedia's notability standards before you do. I typically suggest new editors learn the ropes by expanding articles first. Category:All stub articles can be sorted by topic and can help you find some inspiration. Feel free to come back if you have any other questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Hmmm..Yes. In think I should start with expanding for now, I used to work on wiki but it has been looong. I will restart with the expansion ones first for now Rectech enthusiast (talk) 11:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 July newsletter

The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.

The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:

The full scores for round 3 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 in the news credits, and at least 285 did you know credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 June but before the start of Round 4 can be claimed during Round 4, which starts on 1 July at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

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Women in Red July 2024

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Problematic IP

Hi, could you please block User:184.146.127.118 as disruptive editing/NOTHERE? Their edits consist pretty much exclusively of vandalism, insults, and more recently, sexual comments towards other users. Thanks! GrayStorm(Complaints Dept.|My Contribs.) 02:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@GrayStorm: Done. I also revdelled some stuff. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much :). GrayStorm(Complaints Dept.|My Contribs.) 03:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Your question

This discussion may also be related to your question about when and how its appropriate to ask about religious affiliation Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#2021 Canadian church burnings. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 01:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Horse Eye's Back: If you think it's relevant, feel free to tell ArbCom about it. I'm not familiar with that discussion in particular but I'll read it. You might find one of the discussions linked by another editor at the clarification page interesting because I actually started it. [4] Feel free to tell me what you think. I'm generally willing to hear people out even if I don't always agree with them. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
It seems as relevent as the conversation I was involved in, my general opinion is that a lot of people who would be negatively impacted by a strict interpretation of COI in regards to religion are arguing for a permissive interpretation of COI in regards to religion. That brings up a whole additional layer of COI which I'm not sure we're ready to talk about. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 02:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I will say that I've participated in a surprising amount of conversations about this topic and the general vibe I've recieved is that these questions are generally inappropriate but people also aren't okay with the very strict interpretation of it's never okay to ask. There's a reason I linked Church of Scientology editing on Wikipedia. Anyways, I hope the clarification request helps with this sort of situation in the future. If it doesn't, the community will have to have some broad discussion about it eventually because it keeps coming up in different venues and in a variety of contexts. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I have expanded the request for clarification as well as I know how. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 03:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Tarnika Hazra on Philip Wollen (10:42, 5 July 2024)

I want to start with Bengali Language, please. --Tarnika Hazra (talk) 10:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tarnika Hazra, it's unclear what you're asking me here. If you're looking for the article we have on the Bengali language, click that link. If you're looking for that language edition of Wikipedia, that would be here [5]. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you so much. 2601:648:8101:92C0:A0FE:1F64:9A0B:97BE (talk) 17:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Tarnika Hazra (11:06, 7 July 2024)

Hello Mam,

I am new here. Please let me know if I want to add any new things to Wikipedia then what should I do? --Tarnika Hazra (talk) 11:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Tarnika Hazra: Depends on what you want to do. I have some resources listed at the top of this page you might find helpful. Let me know if you're looking for more specific advice. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

User permission request

Hello Clovermoss, I am requesting the restoration of my Page mover and Pending change permissions as I am ready to re-continue editing, thank you. Jerium (talk) 12:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jerium:  Done Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Kemifreund (15:47, 7 July 2024)

Hi, I'm editing "Katharine Blunt" and have found several more of her scientific publications. Should I add them? - Thanks --Kemifreund (talk) 15:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kemifreund. Feel free to be bold! If you think you can improve Katharine Blunt, go for it. If someone reverts you, you can discuss it with them. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I need some help over at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#84.206.11.96. Would you be so kind to take a look? Thanks in advance, Polygnotus (talk) 13:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Polygnotus: I reverted to the last stable version but I'm hesitant to do more. I've commented at the thread you linked. I'm alright with other admins taking further action if they think that's what's best. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
I clearly outlined my arguments, I added at least five different sources for the content you removed. Where it was necessary, I quoted reliable sources. You just deleted things, because you could. You did not went into details etc. So my question is somple, if I found seven sources which underpin what I wrote, can I insert it into text, as I pointed out on the talk page at least five times, or is she a noli me tangere? 84.225.152.139 (talk) 14:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
What you should do is paraphrase the content in your own words instead of just quoting everything. You should also use Talk:Ilaria Salis to propose these changes because you cannot edit war to get your way. Disputed changes need to be discussed on the talk page so editors can come to a consensus. Do you understand what I mean by this? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Lets have a look at the at the Talk Page. I found 7 different sources that prove that she owes money. Polygnomy deleted what I wrote, namely she owes money. No explanation. So it is ok, according to you? 84.225.152.139 (talk) 15:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
You know that my name is not "Polygnomy". I have provided a lot of information about the problems with the edits you made. You were unwilling to collaborate. If you continue you will be blocked. You should probably move on. Polygnotus (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
And where did I violate copyrights? Please, teach me! 84.225.152.139 (talk) 15:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
What you need is a lesson on how to behave in a collaborative environment, which is far harder than understanding copyright. And of course this is a bad-faith question because you already know where you violated copyright. Polygnotus (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Not an answer... 84.225.152.139 (talk) 15:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
I know how you spend your time with weird homophobic vandalism [6] and attacking public figures who are disliked by Orbán [7] and I think it is pretty sad. We are trying to build something cool here. Try to improve yourself instead of vandalising and trolling on Wikipedia. Polygnotus (talk) 15:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
So, again, let's reach a consensus here: How would you rephrase the fact that she did not pay her rent and owes 90000 Euros? 84.225.152.139 (talk) 16:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
I am not interested in helping you because you are WP:NOTHERE. Polygnotus (talk) 16:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
I'd appreciate if any back and forth was kept to WP:ANI instead of here on my talk page. Polygnotus, I'd also encourage you to post the diffs you linked here there and maybe provide further context? I don't know what you mean by Orbán, for example. I'm somewhat busy at the moment. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
@Clovermoss, the IP has taken to messaging me on my talk to try and get me to revert @Polygnotus. Not sure if that counts as WP:PROXYING, but I don't really think it is cool. TarnishedPathtalk 13:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, but I'm going to ping Johnuniq since they did the page protection and see what they think of this. I really am trying to learn more about the admin side of things. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
The fact that there are several IPs from a wide range, and they all banging on about this one article, convinces me that this is a NOTHERE contributor trying to use Wikipedia to attack a person. That is disruptive. I will start blocking each IP that pops up for a significant period. My recommendation is that people stop commenting here. Instead, ping me if the IP surfaces with the same belligerence and I will block each IP for at least a month. Johnuniq (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
I did tell people to go to ANI the last time. It just took me a bit to step in because I was busy at the time most of the back and forth was going on (this last comment came later). Will ping you if I notice stuff in the future, though. Thanks for digging into this and offering advice, Johnuniq! Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!

A Barnstar!
Thanks for participating in the June 2024 backlog drive!
You scored 101 points while adding citations to articles during WikiProject Reliability's first {{citation needed}} backlog drive, earning you this cleanup barnstar. Thanks for helping out!

Pichpich (talk) 22:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Pichpich. It was a fun backlog drive, I hope to see more like it. :) Maybe something to do with Category:All unreferenced BLPs, Category:BLP articles lacking sources, or some generic improve BLPs drive? I organized some of these articles in my sandbox once upon a time and came across a G10 from years ago. Actually maybe I should organize something like this since I care so much. Do you have any advice for trying to do that? I've never really organized any sort of backlog drive before. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
It was my first participation in a backlog drive of this type and I also found it quite interesting. I realized that if you restrict the category by topic, you get the high-traffic articles first, which is nice because it feels more productive to clean up an important BLP rather than an obscure, borderline deletable one. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 15:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
@Pichpich: I'm glad you had fun with this too. :) Do you know anyone else that was involved in organizing this backlog drive that might be able to give me good advice about organizing my own? It's okay if you don't, I just figured it doesn't hurt to ask. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
My involvement in the drive is minimal: I'm just handing out barnstars. I think Cremastra (talk · contribs) was the organizer for this drive, and you can always post on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Reliability which seems to be watched by a few editors. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 15:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Plan well in advance, get someone to help you, and as I learned, be very precise with the rules and scoring. Overprecise, even. It saves time and confusion in the long run. Cremastra (talk) 20:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey Levivich you commented on my sandbox when I organized this stuff the last time. Any chance you have any advice for a larger scale version of this? [8] Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I distinctly remember somebody else asking me about this recently -- like in 2024, I think -- but now I can't remember who or where. But I remember pointing them to the stuff we were doing last year. In terms of larger scale version, I think the thing to do is resurrect WP:UBLPR, and get everyone interested in working on this to watchlist that talk page, and coordinate from there. I think the person I was talking to about this earlier this year was interested in methods for identifying unreferenced BLPs and unreferenced articles generally, but UBLPR seems like the natural place to coordinate such efforts. Levivich (talk) 16:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
@Levivich: Okay, thanks! That does seem like a good place to coordinate future efforts. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

New eyes, but a suggestion

Thank you for taking the time to look at 2021 Canadian church burnings. Please let me know if accessibility is an issue for any of the sources, as I can privately send you PDF or transcript versions as needed (my understanding is that the WSJ is not a common subscription). ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:29, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti: If you could email me the WSJ source it'd be appreciated, I do not have a subscription to that. I'm going to bed soon but I'll post what I have in the table so far on the talk page. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Awesome. I'll send a copy-and-paste over and see if I can't jump the firewall with an archive.org link for you. I can't attach a PDF unless you respond, but please remember that responding directly reveals your email address. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
I have a Wikipedia specific email address so I'm not concerned about that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Excellent, copy-and-paste first. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I'll read this in the morning. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Nyavalcade (13:56, 11 July 2024)

Hi Clovermoss, sorry for the early morning notification on the talk page! I'm not exactly a new editor, but this is the first time I've undertaken edits like this, so - as Wikipedia's assigned you as my mentor - I'd just like to pass by my first two or so main space edits to you to see if there's anything I could have done better in the process of editing these articles.

Thank you! --nvlc | t/c 20:19 13:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

No worries, Nyavalcade. Feel free to ask for my advice :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
For your work into defusing a very nasty dispute at 2021 Canadian church burnings. Scorpions1325 (talk) 22:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks Scorpions1325. Fun fact, I did all this on my phone. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Clarification request closed

The Noleander clarification request that you initiated has been closed and archived. The request was related to that case's principle 9, which states:

Editors are expected to refrain from making unnecessary references to the actual or perceived racial, religious, or ethnic background of fellow editors. Such references should be made only if they clearly serve a legitimate purpose. In the context of a noticeboard discussion or dispute resolution, it will rarely serve a valid purpose to seek to classify the participants in the discussion on this basis.

Among the participating Arbitrators, there was a rough consensus that this principle remains true with current policies and guidelines and that there is not an exemption from this principle for asserting that an editor has a conflict of interest. For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust 💬 05:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you for your work at DYK and going the extra mile to maintain the quality of hooks. Also for being considerate and trying to prevent any delays. I found it impressive. NØ 21:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks MaranoFan. I appreciate that you've been a good sport in regards to my concerns. I haven't delved much into DYK yet but I hope to get more involved with the process eventually. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
I was actually thinking of saying something about your impressive work at DYK but then I wanted to wait at least a few days only for someone to beat me to it! I never thought you would be joining DYK to promote a prep to a queue (which only admins can do). I only joined DYK 4 months ago to get cozy game (and funny enough, Animal Crossing: New Horizons to the home page. I never expected myself to review and even to promote a DYK to prep, especially when I am not at 5 or more nominations. Speaking of which, the A9 dualling project was my best article yet and got that to DYK with plans to get it to GA!
Also, I will look into contributing to your editor reflections page tomorrow since its 11pm for me. JuniperChill (talk) 22:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Technically I have some previous experience (see here) with DYK. But it's definitely different trying to promote a queue vs writing three/four DYK noms. 😅 Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:33, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
And that I have been reviewing DYK articles (I actually have a DYK work page) more than I can nominate them. And I see you have started a DYK nom on no kid zone. JuniperChill (talk) 22:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Also Clover Point! I've done 2 of my 4 DYK noms within the past week. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
And my editor reflections is now done after spending over 30 minutes writing it. And the A9 DYK is now ready to go to the home page! JuniperChill (talk) 11:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks JuniperChill! You might want to reread your answer because I saw one part where I think you made a typo? You mention a year anniversary twice in two sentences. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 Done Clovermoss [9] JuniperChill (talk) 14:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Requesting rights to edit a page name and to insert images

Dear Clovermoss,

I hope you are well. I would like to make some changes to the Wikipedia page 'Lala Rukh (Activist)'. I work at the Estate of Lala Rukh to manage the late artist and activist's archives. our goal is to make information on her more accessible. I have edited the text on the already existing page 'Lala Rukh (Activist)'. I would like to correct the title of the page to either just Lala Rukh or to Lala Rukh (Artist and Activist) as that is more accurate. Along with that, I also want to include pictures from her archives in her biography, which I am unable to do currently. If you could grant me more editor rights or administrative rights, I would like to make these necessary changes.

Thank You,

Estateoflalarukh Estateoflalarukh (talk) 13:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Estateoflalarukh. My first suggestion is for you to read this page, it explains best practices for editors who have a conflict of interest, such as yourself. If you are sharing this account with other people, please stop doing so and create your own individual accounts.
Lala Rukh (activist) is under that title because Wikipedia has specific naming conventions for titles of articles. Wikipedia:Disambiguation explains how that works. While it's true she may have been an activist and artist, the parentheses do not need to mention that. For another example of this, see Katherine Hughes (activist). "Editing rights" is a bit of a misnomer, as the average person can edit pages with rare exceptions. Since you have a conflict of interest, best practice would be for you to make suggestions on Talk:Lala Rukh (activist) instead of editing the page directly. This page explains how to do that. I cannot grant you administrative rights because that process is a result of Wikipedia:Requests for adminship and involves editors with thousands of edits and months of experience editing the project. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
To upload an image, I suggest you go through the process described here. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested sources

주간경향 is an offshoot publication of 경향신문, which is an old (1946) established news organization, so it falls under WP:NEWORG. ohmynews is a citizen journalism site, so quality depends on the author. Chosun Ilbo is a newspaper of record. Ca talk to me! 13:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay thanks. Courtesy ping to Generalissima because this is relevant to Template:Did you know nominations/No kid zone. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Wjamcd81 (19:59, 13 July 2024)

Hi -

Need to change the image details for an image I uploaded. It was box art for a video game (which I'm pretty sure were approved by wiki for upload) but I put it in as my own work, which it wasn't. I wasn't reading things before I completed the upload. Anyway to fix this or will wiki just delete it on their own when they see it was uploaded incorrectly? Thanks. --Wjamcd81 (talk) 19:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Wjamcd81. Thanks for letting me know. Since you incorrectly indicated it was your own work, the file was uploaded to our sister project, Wikimedia Commons. It will likely get deleted there sometime in the near future. I'd encourage you to try to upload the file again while following this page and clicking the "upload a non-free file" box here. It looks like you're using the file for Monster Strike so you shouldn't have any issues. Let me know if you have further questions! Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:43, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

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Greetings, please I really need the rollback right, I’ve activated antivandalism because I’m an active user and I’m ready to revert some edits, please grant me this right as I need it to enable me use the feature, I’ll be active, thanks. Madeforall1 (talk) 12:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

@Madeforall1: I'd suggest asking at WP:PERM instead of here. I'm busy right now and don't really have the time to evaluate such a request. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
Great collaboration effort at 2021 Canadian church burnings.... this is the type of effort we need to solve the majority of problems here. Moxy🍁 23:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks Moxy. Let me know if such a table would be useful elsewhere. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Extra help

I recently came across the article for LGBT Mormon suicides, and I could not believe what I was seeing. It appears that the entire article is based on WP:PRIMARY sources spliced together to form a cohesive narrative that might not exist in academia. I think you are uniquely qualified to help me out with this article if any of the article's watchers object to my tagging. Scorpions1325 (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey Scorpions1325. I'll try to take a look. I'm not as familiar with Mormons as I am with JWs but I know more than the average person probably does. I've also dealt with (and am still dealing with) similar issues in JW related articles. I suppose that's why you think I'm uniquely qualified? I'm happy that what I'm doing is getting some recognition. There used to be more than 100 references to the religion's publications at Jehovah's Witnesses, for example. [10] Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:14, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
It was for your work at 2021 Canadian church burnings. That was exceptional. Scorpions1325 (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@Scorpions1325: Oh, okay. Well I'll try to get around to an in-depth look at the article sometime this week. There's a few other things on my plate. But I will take a look and try to help. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
No worries. You don't have to do anything at all. I just wanted to draw your attention to it. It appears that I did misspeak. Scorpions1325 (talk) 21:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
I have a bit more time now, Scorpions1325. Is there any chance you could be more specific about your concerns regarding the article? Do you want me to do a source-integrity analysis like what I did for 2021 Canadian church burnings or just take a look more generally? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
I wouldn't do anything at all just yet. I have yet to find sufficient secondary sources to rewrite the article. I don't think that a source-integrity analysis will be helpful. Such an analysis would be better for any secondary sources that I add to the article.
If it turns out that there aren't enough secondary sources to write an article, I could merge the inclusion-worthy content into other articles. Scorpions1325 (talk) 21:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Danielkaiwe2 (17:53, 24 July 2024)

How to add photos --Daniel (talk) 17:53, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Danielkaiwe2, Wikipedia:File upload wizard is what you're looking for. Let me know if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

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Question from JerusalemLibrarian (17:47, 26 July 2024)

Hello Clover,

I joined Wikipedia recently and would like to contribute what I can. I am not sure if you can see my "sandbox", but I just created/wrote a new article about a personality and published it - I think. I had an online friend, who is an experienced writer on here help me out a little. Could you please suggest any improvements I could make, and clarify what exactly the status of the article is?

It is not an orphaned article, as there is at least one published page that had a 'red link' for it already, and I have included references and redirections.

I appreciate your time and help. Thanks. --JerusalemLibrarian (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi JerusalemLibrarian. I'm assuming you're talking about User:JerusalemLibrarian/sandbox? I added a button that submits the draft for review. It's in much better shape than the average new article I see by a newbie (I assume that your Wikipedia friend helped steer you in the right direction). As for suggestions, I'd explain what a "MProf" is, which is a term you used later on in the article. For publications, people don't usually include articles, just published books. I don't usually write about academics so someone else who does might have better advice. Usually the main thing a reviewer would establish in this circumstance is whether they think the subject meets WP:NPROF. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Your Button Behaved Strangely

It appears that the button that you added then caused the draft to be submitted as your submission, so when I declined it as duplicating another draft, you received a decline message. If you put a similar button in another draft, its use may again cause you to get a misredirected message. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:10, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I'm not sure what happened there. I just looked for the template through normal search and came across that. I'm not sure what I should be doing instead but I'll figure it out. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Hey MPGuy2824, I have a question. I didn't use your move to draft script here but I noticed your script automatically adds a similar button [11] and I was wondering if you'd know what I did wrong here? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Is this a good example of an edit that would be problematic? If so, then the "u" parameter of the relevant template has the creator's username in my script's edit, while yours has your username. Probably what caused the issue. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
The edit that caused the actual issues was this. Rereading everything for a third time I believe my intent in linking that diff was to show what things should happen when they "go right". But it seems like the template I used to add that button {{AfC submission/submit}} did add me as the draft creator as mentioned in the diff. So I suppose my original question remains: what template are you using in your script? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Internally the script uses {{AFC draft}} but subst-ed. You can see the relevant section of the code here. Hope that helps. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, that does make sense, thanks. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Clover Point

On 27 July 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Clover Point, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that untreated sewage was dumped directly into the ocean from Clover Point (pictured) until 2020? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Clover Point. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Clover Point), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

While on the main page the article had 17,750 views which equates to 739.6 views per hour. Not bad! 12th most viewed hook of July! Bruxton (talk) 14:52, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Oh wow. That's crazy. I admit that I was very happy to come across this place on my visit to Victoria earlier this year. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect Bigg Boss Marathi (season 5) -> Bigg Boss Marathi season 5

Hello Clovermoss, I hope you're doing well. I assume moving the article from (season 5) to season 5 would be suitable as per naming convention and also taking into account the creation date and time of both articles. Thanks for your consideration. C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 04:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi C1K98V. All I did on the first article was fix a formatting error, there's a reason I didn't review it. I had no idea that there were duplicate versions of the article (oddly enough, both of them were created on July 26). It's past midnight here so I think I'll sleep on this to decide what the best course of action is here. I've never done a history merge before and I'd want to make sure that that's what I should be doing and that I'm not messing things up if I go that route. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, yes I know that you did formatting clean-up. And you're not messing things up here. As per this discussion RfC on TV season article titles, the correct naming standard is Bigg Boss Marathi season 5. Thanks, hope it helps. C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 04:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
What I'm concerned about is messing up a history merge, not the proper article title. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
I still haven't slept yet but I think I was overthinking it. The IP had the right idea with the redirect given there wasn't really any merge-worthy content. C1K98V, A10s don't apply when the page can be redirected [12]. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Nancy Hansen

Thank you for reviewing this article 🌟 Nayyn (talk) 16:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) I noticed yesterday that there's a crazy backlog of unreviewed new pages so I've been trying to chip in. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Clovermoss moved page Joe Chambers (Museum Founder) to Joe Chambers (music producer)

Clovermoss,

While Joe did work as a music producer approximately 7 yr, he was focused on guitar stores for almost 20 yr (1985 - 2004) and musicians hall of fame and museum (2003 - 2022).

because he worked much longer doing guitar stores and MHOFM, the short time he worked producing records is not appropriate for his career to be identified as "music producer"

Please undo this action. Thanks. MikeMARS MikeMARS52 (talk) 19:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@MikeMARS52: I reverted an undiscussed move, as my edit summary explains [13]. "Museum Founder" is not really a disambiguator used in article titles and music producer is fairly standard. If you wish for the article title to be changed to (Museum Founder), you need to gain consensus for that change. You can start a discussion about this by following the instructions at WP:PCM. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Before you consider doing that though, please consider reading WP:NCPDAB. I personally find it incredibly unlikely that your new proposed title would gain consensus and this page might help you understand the why behind that. Of course, you're still free to try if you disagree. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Clovermoss RE Joe Chambers (museum founder)
I am by no means prejudiced, I like all cultures and languages. I (by chance!) watched a Polish, a Turkish, and an Italian movie in the last 4 days.
with that said, i can't imagine why "founder" is not acceptable and consensus (for english-speaking people) to indicate the person that started the museum.
i spent a only a few minutes to find the common use "founder" used to indicate a person that starts a museum.
forgive me for the sledgehammer method to provide reference for my assertion below (I don't know any better). Thanks for your help.
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what is the common word for a person that starts a museum
ChatGPT
The common word for a person who starts a museum is "founder."
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“Pinball Hall of Fame operator Tim Arnold
Stretching back to 2004, John and famed director and photographer David LaChapelle were developing the show when their investigation led them to the Pinball Hall of Fame. A film crew dropped in on Arnold, founder of the museum on East Tropicana Avenue and Pecos Road”
Reference = https://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/entertainment-columns/kats/las-vegas-pinball-hall-of-fame-owner-still-flipping-mad-at-elton-john/
Accessed 7-31-24
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“founder 1 of 2
noun
ˈfau̇n-dər
Definition of founder
as in creator
a person who establishes a whole new field of endeavor Maria Montessori was the founder of an educational system dedicated to maximizing a child's creative potential”
Reference = https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/founder
Accessed 7-31-24
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Charles Willson Peale, founder of the Philadelphia Museum
Hear Carlos Tortolero, director and founder of the National Museum .
Charles Willson Peale (American painter)  ... founder of the first major museum in the United States
Museum of Science and Industry, science museum opened in Chicago, Illinois, U.S., in 1933 by the philanthropist-founder Julius Rosenwald
Reference = is not accepted (brittanian encyclopedia).That does not affect the multiple examples of common use of the word the "founder" related to starting museums
Accessed 7-31-24
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MikeMARS52 MikeMARS52 (talk) 17:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
@MikeMARS52: Giving dictionary definitions and talking about what other websites do is not really all that relevant. Consensus has a specific meaning on Wikipedia – read that link to understand what I mean. What you need to do is start a move discussion if you genuinely believe that this is what the article title should be and use Wikipedia policy based arguments. As I told you, it's unlikely that people will agree with you based on what is said at WP:NCPDAB. But you are free to start a move discussion if you wish. Follow these directions in order to do that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Assistance request

Due to the protected status of Talk: Yasuke, I am unable to make changes. Per Wikipedia:BLPREMOVE, this edit in the talk page seems to contain defamatory remarks regarding Thomas Lockley that are still present on the talk page and should be removed per my understanding of the policy, but I am unable to do so due to the protected status of the page. I used the recently active administrators feature and you were at the top of the list. I didn't really know what else to do in this situation other than to ask someone else to remove the libelous statement since I cannot do so myself. Cheers! Brocade River Poems 02:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi BrocadeRiverPoems. I've read that talk page comment and it seems fairly standard for an editor talking about a content dispute and not anything I'd be concerned about per WP:BLPREMOVE. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Also courtesy ping to BassHistory since they wrote the comment in question. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Rereading this, I'd suggest not including speculation on the motivations of the scholar in the latter half of that last sentence. However, I don't think this qualifies to the level where it's nessecary to redact it. Usually the stuff that's dealt that way per WP:BLPREMOVE are more serious accusations like "[person] committed a crime" or "[person] had an affair". Apart from that one nitpick, this really does just look like a regular content dispute. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
I was mostly just concerned with the very end where they wrote is all of this just elaborate circular Wikipedia conjecture planted by Lockley to sell his books. The implication of a scheme to plant conjecture on Wikipedia in order to sell books seemed to run afoul of WP:LIBEL to me, was all. It's also demonstrably an untrue statement since you can look at the history of the page here and here and see that that Lockley did not originate the idea of Yasuke being a samurai on Wikipedia, nor did he add it which you can verify easily by looking at his Wikipedia history. I figured it was better to err on the side of caution and inform someone else. Thanks! Brocade River Poems 03:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
@BrocadeRiverPoems: I agree with you that it's not ideal. It's always best to be on the safe side and to ask if you're not sure of something, so no hard feelings. Feel free to come back here if you have further questions, I see that you're a new editor. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Will do! Brocade River Poems 03:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
@BrocadeRiverPoems: You may also find the links at #Newbie Central useful. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! For the most part I've just been keeping to doing the newcomer tasks that Wikipedia keeps recommending to me. Brocade River Poems 03:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@BrocadeRiverPoems: Back in my day (2018) we didn't have the fancy newcomer tasks, but I started out taking a look at the Wikipedia:Community portal. I once enabled the new editor dashboard out of curiosity and I think it's an interesting step towards engagement. Hopefully it's been working out well for you. Wikipedia can be an interesting maze. When I was a new editor, it often felt like my edits were going into a void. Making connections with other Wikipedians helped lessen that feeling a bit. Anyways, if you have a thing for rabbit holes and want to spend hours reading about random Wikipedia stuff, User:Clovermoss/Meta has some interesting links (Wikipedia:Time Between Edits is a particular favourite of mine). I also really do mean what I said in that you can come back here if you have questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Insane miner (12:27, 29 July 2024)

Hello I am new to wiki so I would like your advice I want to edit a page but it is locked So I am thinking about creating new page How should I do that --Insane miner (talk) 12:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Insane miner. If you wish to edit a specific page but you can't, it's probably protected. Instead of creating a new duplicate page (unless you were trying to write about something else?), you should make an edit request on the talk page you wish to edit. Let me know if you have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:36, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jadney (14:21, 29 July 2024)

I volunteered to add a photo to a wiki page. I did not take the photo, but it was given to me for the purpose of adding it to that page. I see that a CC license is required, so I am in the process of tracing back who actually took the photo, to get their explicit permission. I suspect a CC0 will be accepted, but it might be CC BY. Do I need permission on paper, or is an email sufficient? --Jadney (talk) 14:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jadney. It sounds like you have a conflict of interest, so you should read this guide. As for uploading photos, you should go through this process. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
I just read the COI guidelines, and none of it applies here. I have emailed the person who forwarded the photo, but that may not be the person who took the photo, and they may have done so as an employee of their university. I don't think anyone there is going to object to making the photo common, but finding someone willing to say so may be difficult. If that happens, I'll just have to give up on adding what would have been useful and appropriate material to a relevant Wiki page.
I THINK I understand the need, but it's too bad this has to be so difficult. Jadney (talk) 19:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
@Jadney: It's because Wikimedia Commons is one of the few places on the Internet that is really strict on actually following copyright law. To the extent that you can't have photographs of buildings in countries that don't have a freedom of panorama. I'm glad you read the COI guidelines but I admit to being a bit confused about your certainty that they don't apply to you. It's almost impossible for someone editing on behalf of someone else to not have a COI of some kind. This doesn't necessarily mean you can't edit neutrally (which is the important part) but it is something to be aware of. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for reviewing all the redirects I created :)

Staraction (talk | contribs) 02:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Game was rigged from the start (00:26, 31 July 2024)

Hi there. I have just posted some changes to the page Ralph_Peterson_Jr. and I think I have made some errors with the references. They all seem to be reliable sources, but I haven't gotten the hang of citing/linking them correctly. I would appreciate and advice you can offer. --Game was rigged from the start (talk) 00:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Game was rigged from the start. You may find this guide helpful. Let me know if you're still confused or have any further questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Game was rigged from the start (talk) 00:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

DYK for No kid zone

On 1 August 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article No kid zone, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the National Library of Korea is a no kid zone? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/No kid zone. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, No kid zone), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

ER barnstar

Project Editor Retention

This editor was willing to lend a helping hand!
Thanks for all you do to acknowledge others at the Editor of the Week Awards

Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 11:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

It's been awhile since I've nominated someone (I should get back into that!) but I appreciate the recognition. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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