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Minor glitch.

When adding {{reflist}} to an article that ends with an external reference, the bot placed it inside the closing square bracket. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Borrowash&oldid=235387109 -Arb. (talk) 14:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, fixed. Rich Farmbrough, 20:00 1 September 2008 (GMT).

1. deild 1983

Hi Rich. It's at that name because the standard naming format for football league seasons is "League Name Year", e.g. The Football League 2007-08, so that's the 1. deild article for the 1983 season. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Spaces out of headings

Hey, I noticed edits like this were you/SmackBot removed the spaces out of headings. Please could you stop such edits (or start putting spaces into headings for better readability). Thanks, Cacycle (talk) 19:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking for incorrect capitalisation, spelling errors and singulars. I've changed the code so that it won't change headers unless they in error. Rich Farmbrough, 19:59 1 September 2008 (GMT).

Reference vs. References

Hi, you may want to be aware of edits like this one where Smackbot changed the word from singular to plural. The singular is correct here as there is only one reference in the section. This came up previously at an attempt at featured article status and was agreed it should be singular. Redfarmer (talk) 01:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Citations missing

Template:Citations missing has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 01:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Addition of uncategorised tag

Hi. I notice SmackBot added an uncat tag to 1932 in baseball. Although the article itself doesn't have any categories (as per the 1931, 1933...etc. articles), it is picking up a category (1932 in baseball) - presumably from a template, and so probably shouldn't be tagged. It's also curious that it picked on 1932, and not any of the other years.... :-) CultureDrone (talk) 08:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks: Doubly curious, as it was running from lonely pages or new pages, neither of which this is. Rich Farmbrough, 09:51 2 September 2008 (GMT).

It may have been following a deleted new redirect- still shouldn't tag it though. Rich Farmbrough, 10:42 2 September 2008 (GMT).

SmackBot

Hi Rich, Smacky thinks it's still August: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], etc. —Angr 11:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.. so do I... Rich Farmbrough, 11:21 2 September 2008 (GMT).

Reflist error?

Did you know your bot was adding {Reflist} to articles that also contained {reflist}, thereby producing double entries? See here [6]. MickMacNee (talk) 15:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually that article contained {{refist}} (no "l"). Rich Farmbrough, 16:19 2 September 2008 (GMT).

Line break removal by Smackbot

As an editor who regularly works on WP:AIR aircraft articles, the removal of the line spaces within the {{aircraft specifications}} and {{aircontent}} templates is extremely annoying. The SPecs template in particular is very long, and the Aircontent one can be, and the line spaces help aid in spotting the correct group of fields quickly, especially to those whose eyes are no longer 20/20. Please have Smackbot stop removing these line spaces. Thanks for your consideration of the physical limitations of others over mere guidelines. - BillCJ (talk) 19:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

My apologies on the is last SmakBot stop. My mistake, as I should have paid more attention! Thanks for the adjustments, it will help alot. - BillCJ (talk) 10:18, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

SmackBot error?

Why does Smackbot move the {{Lifetime}} template outside of the category tags see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patrick_Rothfuss&diff=235794193&oldid=235702402? Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 12:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your message, SmackBot makes a number of changes that are available to all WP:AWB bots - in general these provide a number of non-controversial minor improvements.

The issue you raise is related to these, and has been already fixed by the AWB developers, but not yet released to all AWB users.

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 13:22 2 September 2008 (GMT).

Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 16:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiJob

Can you have a look at the discussion page for WikiJob? thank you! 86.0.221.59 (talk) 18:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

SmackBot vs. AloysiusLiliusBot

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but there's another bot awaiting approval that does some of the same things as SmackBot. While reviewing its trial contributions, I noticed that SmackBot seems to be unwilling to yield the last word to anyone else. Since such edits are pretty useless, would it be possible for you to modify your bot so that it won't make edits that only affect the capitalization of template names? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Replied on RFA page. Rich Farmbrough, 16:43 4 September 2008 (GMT).

Collective:Unconscious

THx for your help making a better article. --Justindavila (talk) 13:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

SmackBot whitespace edits

What's up with these? 1 2 3 The AWB Rules of use caution to avoid making insignificant or inconsequential edits, as they waste resources and clog up watch lists. I am sure that an experienced bot-operator such as yourself is familiar with these guidelines, so are these somehow slipping through the cracks? Plasticup ^T/C 19:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, must have had a check-box unchecked. Rich Farmbrough, 11:03 4 September 2008 (GMT).

I remember the run now, fixed part way through, working on the last 169 "stubborn" articles from the previous daily run. Rich Farmbrough, 11:22 4 September 2008 (GMT).

Incidentally SB was trying to fix {{Fact|date=3 Sept 2008}} but there are reasons that it can't at them moment. Rich Farmbrough, 11:08 4 September 2008 (GMT).

Sounds good. Just making sure that you were aware of it. I don't think 3 inconsequential edits are going to stress the servers overly much :-) Plasticup ^T/C 16:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Reflist and appendices

Hi. I've been mulling over the standard WP:Layout of our appendices, for a few months. Re: your latest comment at reflist - I really like the idea of moving the reflist below the usual navbox placement, to the end of the article. One problem is that it then separates the categories off by themselves. The categories/navboxes/seealsos all belong together... However! Your suggestion has led me to this idea for restructuring:

• Main article body
• See also
• Navboxes
• Categories box
• External links
• Notes and References and Further reading

Example Mockup in sandbox

Just thinking out loud, feedback welcome. (I'm quite sure everyone has different opinions on ideal appendices ordering, and nothing is going to be a perfect fit for every situation. And this idea has probably been suggested before. But I thought I'd put it out...) -- Quiddity (talk) 19:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Categories are really.. an anomaly.. A very useful one, but you should ideally be a able to select from the text or an infobox. So "Jack Jones (1880-1960) was an English butcher who.. " should somehow enable you to select

• People called Jack
• People called Jones
• People born 1880
• People died 1960
• English people
• Butchers

And all combinations of the above..

Hmm.

I also wonder if references should be hover-over links which when clicked ideally take you to the actual document cited, rather than a footnote.

Rich Farmbrough, 01:17 4 September 2008 (GMT).

That's WP:Category intersection. ;) I don't know what stage they're at currently. -- Quiddity (talk) 06:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Think it's stalled. Look how many years single sign-on took. Regardless - my main point is a little less subtle, the manual and semi-manual categorisation is a kludge in the first place. Rich Farmbrough, 11:01 4 September 2008 (GMT).

It's unavoidable. You're asking that the Wikipedia back end be somehow automatically be able to understand that the word "English" puts the article into category "English people", while "butcher" is something that goes with "Butchers", and "was" and "an" go with nothing. And note you're not even getting into the ball players who put English on a ball, and the hack writers who butcher a sentence, and ... You're essentially asking the back end to understand human language, which is one of the classic intractable problems, it's what the Turing test is all about. Until someone wins that, we are stuck with manual categorization, it's not a kludge any more than writing the encyclopedia by hand is. Note that if the back end did understand human language, we could hook it up to the Internet Archive's copy of the web, and have the encyclopedia write itself. --GRuban (talk) 20:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

SmackBot blanked an article! :)

I'm pretty amused by this, in general, but it should be looked at. At Sony Ericsson W890, over the course of two work passes over two days, the bot somehow decided that the article needed to be blanked. While the article is a little spammy, it's not *that* bad. :) - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Same thing happened to Village Christian School. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Village_Christian_School&diff=236272589&oldid=234047674 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Village_Christian_School&diff=prev&oldid=234047674 jonathon (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. These were a number of articles with substed clean-up tags. I'll check the changes near that time. Rich Farmbrough, 19:24 4 September 2008 (GMT).

Ok caught one more. Please let me know anyone who sees another. Rich Farmbrough, 19:35 4 September 2008 (GMT).

Liberian Companies - TexasAndroid (talk) 22:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Village Christian School, twice. - TexasAndroid (talk) 22:41, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

That was the one I found.. <sigh> back to the drawing board. Rich Farmbrough, 00:04 5 September 2008 (GMT).

I could see that. My point was that the bot had blanked it a second time even after you cleaned it up. - TexasAndroid (talk) 11:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that (the second occruance) is what I was sighing over... Rich Farmbrough, 12:28 10 September 2008 (GMT).

RFAR alert

One of the arbitrators has asked that every admin who is arguably involved in the events at Sarah Palin be notified of an arbitration case covering it. I therefore draw your attention to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#MZMcBride. In your case, you are, like me, one of those who made an edit to the article while it was full protected. GRBerry 19:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixing misused date templates

Does SmackBot check for misuse of {{birth date}}, {{death date}}, et al. For instance, as fixed in this edit? If not, please can it? Thank you. Andy Mabbett (aka Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 08:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I can do a scan. and pick up that particular error. Rich Farmbrough, 11:30 5 September 2008 (GMT).

Thank you yet again. Andy Mabbett (aka Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 19:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

POK article

this article has been posted for deletion..i have made the following appeal there:

• do not delete : PLEASE allow editing to take place in this article so that it gets balanced; disabling editing and then crying unbalanced is hypocrisy!!!..As we all know we didn't delete european union article just because there was an "england" article or "france" article or "germany" article (which are part of EU nevertheless) ... Similarly we did not destroy soviet union article just because it is divided into 15 parts..Further it is very very clear that POK is not the same as azad k as pok also includes trans karakoram tract...pok term is used by most if not all non pakistan media.so ip and soman contention invalid.. i think it is not "fork" since contents are not identical, verifiable, has reliable sources and differs from the other articles like "trans-Karakoram tract" or "Northern Areas" (at the maximum, there is a passing reference in the summary(if this is considered fork) style with redirect links to sub regions).So, i am opposing this high handed move based on ignorance..rather i suggest that those who suggest it as non neutral contribute towards making this neutral, if it is not already neutral..pahari sahib's contention of inflammatory not substantiated both in talk page of pok or otherwise..so DO NOT DELETEKashmircloud (talk) 10:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

if you can improve this article or if you believe that the article can be improved by removing the edit ban(say, exampple: semiprotect) and if you also concur that pok not equal to ajk, please help in saving this article from deleters with nationalistic (pakistani)/ religious(islamist?) motives for POK article removal(example: User:pahari sahib is pakistani)..please save the POKarticle...Kashmircloud (talk) 10:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Why is this user being allowed to canvass for votes? Pahari Sahib 12:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

The closing admin will be aware,and ther are no votes. Rich Farmbrough, 19:18 7 September 2008 (GMT).

ISBN in template

AIUI, you check for badly-formatted ISBN numbers, but not badly formatted ISBN in in templates like that example. Can you, please? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 15:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Andy, I haven't run that function for quite a while, but I hope to be recovering the disk with the code on soon... Having said that it will need work because AWB can't read that version of config files. Rich Farmbrough, 20:39 6 September 2008 (GMT).

Smackbot

Hi Rich. I wanted you to know that it hadn't escaped my notice, over time, that Smackbot provides a generally very useful set of functions for the community. Recall that I resisted the automatic dating of templates when it first started date tagging, because all the existing templates were at that point in time labeled with the same month. In due course, as the dates have spread out to be more representative of the actual dates of the tags, its date-tagging function has proven itself as a handy thing to have around. Just thought you might like to know. Good regards. ... Kenosis (talk) 19:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Rich Farmbrough, 20:41 6 September 2008 (GMT).

Vandalism to many articles

Hi Rich. User:Threesamagicnumber has only eight contributions Special:Contributions/Threesamagicnumber and they are all vandalism. I undid them. I'm not sure of the procedure to get a flag on the vandaliser so I'm reporting it to you. Maybe you can throw up a warning or check it out. Thanks and bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 13:46, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Rich, for your action and information. I had checked it out a bit (warnings, etc.) but felt, perhaps incorrectly, that such items need an admin's strength of position. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 14:04, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

edit error

Is there a way for the bot to check for invalid months when fixing tags? see diff Should be September, not Sept Dbiel ^(Talk) 02:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about posting to the bot page. Failed to read the page carefully. Had no intention of stopping the bot. Dbiel ^(Talk) 03:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem/.Rich Farmbrough, 10:13 6 September 2008 (GMT).

Yes, it would have picked that up on the next pass. Basically it does fairly comprehensive month spelling errors (but requiring date=) before it fixes up the parameter names. I just made the parameter name fixing a little more forgiving of the date format it allows (obviously I want to be careful not to change something that is not supposed to be date=). This ruleset also is the main place where missing date parameters are put on and the highest maintenance part of the code, so it's undesirable to stick stuff in the middle of it. Possibly in the next version I could re-apply the month name fixes after that.

Rich Farmbrough, 10:13 6 September 2008 (GMT).

Thanks for the reply Dbiel ^(Talk) 18:52, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Question on Norma Deletion Nominations

Smackbot just nominated Norma (female name) for deletion, but something tells me that combining Norma under Norman (name) would be more preferential rather than deleting. Please discuss any merging proposal you have about the section on my talkpage, if you must. Neurotic heart (talk) 18:04, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Nike Oregon Project--Bad References?

Hi Rich! I've been trying to add citations to the Nike Oregon Project article and improve it in general, but I am not a Wiki veteran and I have a question.

Do you know what these items mean?

This article or section may contain original research or unverified claims.

This article needs additional citations for verification.

There are no longer any "citations needed" marked, and I would have thought these comment items and their unsightly icons would have disappeared. Is there any additional info needed? (They're ugly! LOL)

Thanks for helping me out! Tracktowner Tracktowner (talk) 03:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

The citations needed are to mark individual statements, the tag refers to the whole article - and shouldn't be used as well as exhaustive "citations needed" tags. I have removed the tags, see the talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 12:18 8 September 2008 (GMT).

Um...

If I was to accidentally press the off switch, would you be able to turn SmackBot back on again? I haven't done this, but I just want to rest assured.--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 17:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, have no fear. Rich Farmbrough, 18:41 8 September 2008 (GMT).

Editing on piped links

Hello! I had started to write a much longer post about SmackBot editing piped links, only to find my objection was unfounded when I actually read the article as opposed to looking at the diff. I also learned something important about making piped links from the edit it made, which I can use in my editing from now on.  :) But I also noticed SmackBot's userpage documentation stated that cleaning up piped links was an Abandoned Task. Since it does edit piped links, should that part of the page be changed? Thanks for your maintenance of the Bot and your time in reading this! LaughingVulcan 11:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi,thanks for your message, SmackBot makes a number of changes that are available to all WP:AWB bots - in general these provide a number of non-controversial minor improvements.

The issue you raise is related to these, and is done as a "general fix", however SB used to have code to do this that was unique - whether AWB caught up or SB was a little smarter or both I can't remember. Regardless, it no longer does it as a task.

Thanks for the note, I'll update the documentation a little.

Rich Farmbrough, 14:21 9 September 2008 (GMT).

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Bot exclusion

Just trying to tidy these up . Your bot is excluded from Harry McNish/. If you can confirm it is wise to blockquote as on that page you could remove the bots template. Rich Farmbrough, 19:47 7 September 2008 (GMT).

Hi Rich.

Good idea. My bot no longer makes any changes to that page, so I've removed the bot exclusion template. I'll have a trawl for any others the next time I download a database dump too.

Cheers, CmdrObot (talk) 21:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Bot requests and "birth" dates

Re your comments on my bot request for "birth dates" in templates generating hCards for organisations, etc. I have a 'better idea: I'll request the addition of class="bday" to {{Start date}}, which also allows YYYY and YYYY_MM dates. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

What drew the bot to this page?

Charles Peterson (disambiguation) - The only thing the bot did was move the disambig template after the Long Comment template, which is an invisible, maintenence template. I can sorta understand the bot doing this if it has other, additional work on the page, but if this is the only thing that the bot does to a page, it seems to me like it's a lot of wasted effort for a basically meaningless edit. So I'm wondering somewhat what it was that got the bot's attention in the first place, so that I can figure out if I can avoid catching it's attention. I place the comment template on a lot of pages, including disambiguation, and since it's a maintenance template, and not a part of the contents of the page, I generally want to place it after all valid contents of the page, which includes it being after the disambig templates. If there's something besides just the placement that I can avoid doing to avoid getting the bot's attention, it would be good to know. - TexasAndroid (talk) 17:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

It's the above attempt to pick up uncats and orphans. Probably from the new-pages report. INcidentlly is it worth having that page oin the "shortpages-monitored " cat?

I'm not a fan of that whole thing, but it was a compromise with some others who had problems with how the "long comment" template was being used by some of us short pages patrollers. I implemented it, because I had the knowhow to do so, and in general it did not inconvinience me other than the implementation time itself. So you will need to talk to the actual people who wanted it as far as just how useful it is or is not on any specific page. They wanted a way to track the pages bumped off of the various short pages reports, I gave them a way. And it tracks all pages bumped off for them to process or not process as they see fit. If you want to see the discussion that lead to it's creation, I can dig up the link. It's on the talk page of the main on-wiki short pages report. - TexasAndroid (talk) 22:39, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

As for it coming from New Pages, that makes sense. Not sure what I can do to avoid it though. I find my pages off of the Tools Server's short pages report. and generally see both new and not-so-new pages from there. Oh, well. - TexasAndroid (talk) 22:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

help

hi, i think you are administrator(forgive me for bothering you if you are not). can you semiprotect POK ARTICLE page to avoid vandalism by an anonymous 86 ip vandal..this dynamic ip vandal was previously banned as user: Nangparbat [7]..i am posting this message here because you had done an edit in the page that was later vandalised by that guy..Kashmircloud (talk) 21:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Acknowledgement

I acknowledge your last message. Let me know when SmackBot gets fixed, okay? Oh, are you an admin? AdirondackMan (talk) 23:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Fine. Yes. Rich Farmbrough, 12:27 13 September 2008 (GMT).

Uncategorised tag

Hi. A quick question - is SmackBot the only (currently) automated means of tagging uncategorised tags with the {{uncat}} tag, and if so, is this bit still running ? I only ask as the list in the Category:Uncategorized pages is currently down to 411 which is about the lowest I've ever seen it - so either we've cleared the majority of the backlog and new articles are being categorised, or they're not getting tagged and there's a backlog/deluge/flood/catastrophe/armageddon (delete depending how poetic you feel) due to descend on that category....any thoughts ? :-) CultureDrone (talk) 07:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh - of course, if SmackBot isn't what handles uncat tagging, any chance you could either let me know who to contact, or pass my comment/question onto them ? Thanks :-) CultureDrone (talk) 07:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:AWB bots are all capable of tagging with (I think) orphan, uncat, wikify and stub:- SB generally has this option turned on. The problem is generating the list of candiates, Special:lonelypages for example has mostly disambiguation or already tagged orphans. I have done a few tagging runs agianst "Newpages" whic works quite well. Having said that there are a number of people who are expert catters, anbd uncat has usually been kept up with better than the other dated categories. I will look a little more closely when I return home later today or tomorrow. Rich Farmbrough, 12:02 11 September 2008 (GMT).

OK, I have done a run, and found you a few uncats! I will add this as a regular task, and should be able to keep the number ur untagged uncats low within a week or two. THere will be a fair few articles picked up, but not a deluge, I think. Rich Farmbrough, 13:06 11 September 2008 (GMT).

Thanks....I think ! :-) CultureDrone (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Bots exclusion template in Alfa Romeo in Formula One

Hi, I added the template again to prevent that interwiki problem, dont know how to prevent it any other way --— Typ932^{T | C}  20:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Pages to watch are:

• Un gars, une fille
• International Academy
• Monoicous
• Hoek
• Alfa Romeo in Formula One
• Timeline of the 2008 Pacific typhoon season

I'm trying to fix them all. Rich Farmbrough, 14:31 13 September 2008 (GMT).

Homelessness article and "Bumverstising" spam?

Hi Rich. I'm trying to avoid a revert situation. User:Wikiworker12 has put "Bumvertising" stuff all over the Homelessness article. It's specious at best. It denigrates the homeless and isn't a veritable help or solution to it. Please advise. User:Wikiworker12 is not very cooperative and seems to be selling it. Thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 00:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

SitaxseNtan

A tag has been placed on SitaxseNtan, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from an implausible typo.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you believe that there is a reason to keep the redirect, you can request that administrators wait a while before deleting it. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:44, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Capitalizing tags

Just wondering if the benefit of making sure that tags are properly capitalized exceeds the amount of unnecessary storage and database overhead caused by additional changes. The uncapitalized tags seem to display correctly. Bongomatic (talk) 14:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I have seen instances where there's a dated but uncapitalized tag that is changed to be capitalized. I would suggest that if the only change to an entire page is capitalization it is probably worth skipping. Bongomatic (talk) 15:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Bot requests and "birth" dates

{{Start date}} now outputs class="bday", so can be used for the hCards of organisations, venues and places, per [8] and my bot request. It can also be used for YYYY and YYYY-MM dates. Any idea when you might start, please? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Andy I did start a (test) run previously against the companies info box, but hardly any had the full date. Will review tomorrow. Rich Farmbrough, 01:21 19 September 2008 (UTC).

Thanks; but please note that I said above, that {{Start date}} "can also be used for YYYY and YYYY-MM dates". I did modify my bot request, and drop a note on your talk page, a week or two ago.

BTW, please add the opening date of {{Infobox Bridge}} to the pot. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 09:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Update: I'm now maintaining a list of templates needing the conversion, at User:Pigsonthewing/to-do#Date conversions. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:14, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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Template: Coordinate TfD

I have nominated {{Coordinate}} for deletion. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Intellectual Decathlon

Hi Rich,

I hope I am writing this to the correct place, I am not very familiar with editing, communicating on Wikipedia.

I think you edited an entry, named Intellectual Decathlon. Placed some "citation needed" marks and removed a link, because of "copyrighted material"

1. Citation is not needed, because I am the author of Intellectual Decathlon and I made the Wikipedia entry on it. My name (Gabor Laufer, M.D.) is clearly stated in the Article and can be identified in the edit history as the original article creator too. Therefore, there can be no better citation than my own words about the program I wrote.

2. The same applies to the removed link to copyrighted material. I made the PC emulator version available for download, and since I own all the rights to the program, I have the right to put it up for download. The packaged Apple emulator is freeware.

In the extreme case, if you would think that MUSE owns the program, it does not. It didn't already when they went bankrupt and out of existence, because we had a 2 years contract which I refused to renew at the time.

Therefore, please undo the changes you made in August 2008.

You may reach me on docobgyn@yahoo.com, if you wish.

Thank You,

Gabor Laufer, M.D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabor Laufer (talk • contribs) 22:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

British Theatre Season, Monaco

Hi I see that you have tagged this page as of questionable notability. I assume that you a) don't live in Monaco or you would know the importance it has there. b) Do not appreciate the significance of the Season being awarded HSH's High Patronage (the equivilent of a UK Royal Warrent) in its first year - other groups and artistic institutions have been in the Principality for YEARS and have never received High Patronage and c) are not involved in Theatre otherwise you would know what an important cultural initiative this is. Please accept the notability of this and remove the tag. Thank you. Crowley666 (talk) 12:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

PS Also, please do not remove the correct form of address for HSH Prince Albert. This is a matter of form and not political, republican or any other reason. It is correct and polite to address anybody by their correct title. Crowley666 (talk) 13:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, but I had not seen that tag there before. As I think that I have proved its notability, may I therefore remove the tag? Crowley666 (talk) 16:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

It is not just one season. 2007 was the first season thats all. The new 2009 season has been announced and the details must NOT be merged with the Theatre Princess Grace for two reasons: 1) Theatre Princess Grace is a venue only, is not a producing venue and was not producing the season, just receiving it and 2) the 2009 season will be at a different venue in Monaco. I also notice that you have arbitrarily removed the wording "graciously awarded". This is the precise wording from the Royal Palace documents and it is expected that the correct wording should always be used. With great respect, I do not understand why these things should have to be explained retrospectively. The matter of their deletion should be discussed before someone, who may not necessarily know the proper form or wording, just takes it on themselves to change things. Would you not agree that it would be nice to see that Wikipedia was actually using the correct form of wording for once? Crowley666 (talk) 18:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for that. The term High Patronage is indeed a technical and authoritative term, similar to your Royal Warrant, awarded to 'Suppliers of ... to the UK Royal Family'. The correct form would also include a capital H for "His High Patronage" but as it is obviously unsettling for you, perhaps you would prefer it as a lowercase h? Crowley666 (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Link to Royal Warrant now included. Thanks. Crowley666 (talk) 22:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

SmackBot

Elastolin - Smackbot changed "REFERENCES" to "ReferenceS" - missing the cap in the last letter. Greetings, --Janke | Talk 07:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

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What was the point of this edit? - [9] - AnonMoos (talk) 22:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It's an error. Thanks, fixed. Rich Farmbrough, 00:08 27 September 2008 (UTC).

SmackBot - Embolden Title

Hi. I don't think it's working as you expect. On Wapping Hydraulic Power Station just now, Smackbot has done a change labelled "Embolden title and general fixes". What this actually amounted to was the removal of the double-square brackets on the first mention in the lead (which would have emboldened the title, by default) without their replacement with triple quotes. Hence the action 'Embolden title' has actually done the opposite! I've fixed the article, but I think the bot will need some attention...

EdJogg (talk) 00:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes I detected that this was happening and stopped the run. Thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 01:53 27 September 2008 (UTC).

references→References

Was this change a bug or intentional?--Rockfang (talk) 00:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Bug, fixed see above, thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 01:52 27 September 2008 (UTC).

{{By whom?}} => {{Fact}}

In Quark, your bot replaced a "By whom?" tag with a "Citation needed" tag. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quark&curid=25179&diff=241381336&oldid=241374700 -- A r m y 1 9 8 7 ! ! !  20:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

please

take a look at this, where your name also appears, please: User_talk:Jennavecia#blanked_-_why.3F

Cesar Tort 16:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hm can't see where. @Rich Farmbrough, 20:04 30 September 2008 (UTC).

Well, you might see this. —Cesar Tort 20:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Five Finger Death Punch

The official chart positions of the singles: The Bleeding : #7 Never Enough : #8

Five Finger Death Punch - The Bleeding top position on Active Rock Charts was #7 proof: http://a911.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/116/l_6713f8944a49e5d2f3530dc7dece4826.jpg

The second single - Never Enough - top position on Active Rock Charts were #8 proof: http://a63.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/121/l_f2745bb18b3eeca4a9a52d2440fabfa6.jpg

Please stop changing it.

The albumsales: 189,896 copies Ref: Nielsen Soundscan

++ Thank You +++

Not SB making that change. Rich Farmbrough, 12:31 1 September 2008 (GMT).