User talk:Jonesey95/Archive2021

Jupiter

So you plan on doing a ref cleanup for Jupiter? LittleJerry (talk) 17:29, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

I have already a bunch of ref cleanup at Jupiter. It looks more consistent now, and more MOS-compliant. Is there more needed? – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Dora Marsden

Apologies, the use of <!-- --> around the access dates in those citations threw the script off, and I missed when reviewing. Now resolved. GiantSnowman 09:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

It happens. I munged a long article yesterday, despite multiple previews and checks. Another editor had to revert my edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:37, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Template:GOCEinuse

Thank you for reverting the edit in Template:GOCEinuse as it was mistakenly done while modifying bn:টেমপ্লেট:রসনিমা কাজ চলছে in a different tab and I didn't notice. I really apologise. However, I have a problem with {{safesubst:....}} for PAGENAMEE. Is there any template or something relating to that? How does the template properly work? Best regards Meghmollar2017 • Talk • 15:09, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not have a good technical understanding of what safesubst does and how it is different from subst. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Special:WantedTemplates

Hi Jonesey95. Just letting you know that I haven't forgotten. I wrote a sql query that emulates Special:WantedTemplates and strips out entries transcluded in userspace js/css: quarry:query/51270. It still needs to be optimized before it can be considered a real DBR report, but I plan to find the time to do this soon. Regards, FASTILY 01:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

It looks like a good start. Thanks for taking this on. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Error tracking of temlpate:sfn

Hello Jonesey95, the tracking changes on {{sfn}} are putting entries in Category:Pages using sfn with unknown parameters for |ignore-err= which is a valid parameter to prevent false-positive error reporting. Keith D (talk) 22:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

It's not in the documentation. Shouldn't it be |ignore-error= in order to not be willfully obscure? Can you please add an explanation of this parameter and what it does? I will adjust the error-checking code. Thanks for the note. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

May be it should be, I had to look in the module to find it. Keith D (talk) 01:02, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

A Crow Looked at Me

Hi Jonesey:

Thanks for picking this up. Baffle gab and I handled the GOCE requests in 2020. After both edits the article was completely "reworked" and is now back for a third time. I hope this doesn't happen after the effort you put into it. The article seems to undergo "major" edits every few days.

Cheers,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. So far, I have cleaned up a bunch of citation and formatting problems; I am unable focus on the prose in articles until I get the red error messages off of the page. I skimmed through the chatter on the talk page, so I have some idea of the kinds of changes to avoid. I anticipate editing with a light touch, given the attachment that multiple editors appear to have to this page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Sigh. You were both right, though they haven't completely wrecked it yet. I posted a follow-up on the article's talk page. I do not regret the mental exercise; when I go running in the morning, I end up back at my house, and my effort has not improved in the world, so I'm used to doing labor for its inherent value without a tangible external result. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

cleanup section

Hi You added the template "cleanup section" tag to the Lao People's Revolutionary Party. Can I ask why? What should I fix? --Ruling party (talk) 23:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I explained it in the "reason" parameter, and you can see some of the additions and corrections that I made in my edits. Each of the citations needs to be checked to see if it has an ISBN, DOI, or JSTOR identifier available, and that identifier should be added (see my edits for how to do that). Also, some of the citations had incorrect journal names; I did not check all of them.

To find and fix these problems, just do a web search for the title of the journal article. On the page describing the journal article, you will probably see a DOI or JSTOR identifier. Copy and paste it into the article. Drop a note here if you need help. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok, now I understand. I will double check :) --Ruling party (talk) 08:06, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Progress

How do you take the statistics of how many articles there were on any given date? I notice that it's January 31, so I was considering adding a row in the table for today, but I notice that other months' statistics were added on different days (i.e. October 31 and November 30 were both added on December 4). Where does the information come from, then, and how can I get at it? jp×g 01:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

The information comes from the box on Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors, which is a live count. Someone grabs that number as close to midnight UTC on the first of each month and puts it on the active Drive page, which will either be at the very start or very end of a Drive. It can then be copied from the Drive page to the Progress page when someone remembers to do it. You are welcome to grab the final number from the January Drive page (52 articles) and copy it to the Progress page, using the existing format. Make sure to use the correct minus sign character; copying and pasting is easiest. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

"Template:Référence nécessaire" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Template:Crossreference and inline= parameter

! I'm not sure how that happened. I know I wrote that code and tested it. I'm guessing I didn't click the Publish button or something and then eventually closed the tab without noticing. Looks like I'll have to re-do it. [shaking fist at the cruel universe]  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:57, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

No worries. I ended up there because there was a Linter error: a span tag wrapping multiple lines. It looks like your demo code was hoping that the span would be converted to a div (block-level code), but there is no code in the template to do that. The template documentation (which you apparently wrote) is very specific that it is only for in-line notes, which would exclude the use of div tags, and that block-level notes should use a different template. If I am parsing all of this correctly, it looks like your past self may be the cruel one, not just the universe. I hate it when my past self lets me down. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Signatures on new blitz and drive pages

Hope you're enjoying your wikibreak. When you have time, would you change the default three tildes in the sign-up button on {{GOCE-new-blitz-page}} and {{GOCE-new-drive-page}} to the revisionuser tag? I tried, but made a mess which I think I cleaned up (please check). I hope to get the January barnstar page up today. Stay well and all the best, Miniapolis 14:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Beaver

Can you please fix MOS in the text? For example, I don't know how to convert hairs/cm³. LittleJerry (talk) 16:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Too many edit conflicts. Let me know when it has calmed down a bit, and I will read it through. I tried to edit the Taxonomy section just now – it needs a bunch of comma fixes – but got edit conflicts from other editors, including copy editors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:22, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

LittleJerry, does the source really say hairs/cm³? I would expect hairs/cm². If you drop a quotation from the source here on my talk page, I can do the conversion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Your right. Its hairs/cm². The source states: "The fur is extremely dense; with 12,000-23,000 hairs/cm²....." LittleJerry (talk) 17:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

And why did you revert this change? https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-12-88#citeas shows exactly four authors. I'm trying to help you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Could you look at the source formatting for the article again? LittleJerry (talk) 21:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

As you can see in the article's history, I visited on 8 February and fixed a couple of things. Is there a specific problem that you would like me to address right now? Somebody appears to have added or broken the short citation "Müller-Schwarze & Sun 2003" since I visited. You could take a look at that one. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:04, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

GOCE January Drive bling

		The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 8,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE January 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 18:38, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors February 2021 Blitz Barnstar

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 2,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE February 2021 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 16:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

...and thanks for giving out the barnstars! – Reidgreg (talk) 16:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

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Dunno why it's on the backlog

Sharifabad, Ardakan is on the February copyediting backlog, but for the life of me I don't know why. Can't find anything in the article or the source code. All the best, Miniapolis 01:19, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Miniapolis, I think it might have just been some lag on your end; the backlog doesn't have the entry anymore, and the {{copy edit}} template was removed by Jbash08. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:25, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Linter errors?

Hi, can you explain this edit and what a "Linter error" is? I'm not upset, I followed the link and I didn't get a lot of information. Thanks! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:40 on March 7, 2021 (UTC)

No problem; the documentation is pretty poor. Basically, a Linter error is a coding syntax error on a page, like a tag that is opened but not closed, or a table that is missing an ending or does not have proper row markup. It's nerdy, geeky stuff. In the case of that edit, I fixed two problems: a "self-closed tag" Linter error (an invalid <small /> instead of </small>), and a non-Linter error, the use of small tags inside an infobox, which violates MOS:FONTSIZE. The latter is why I removed the tags instead of fixing the closing tag. I don't normally edit User draft or sandbox pages, but yours was the only page on the entire English Wikipedia with a self-closed tag, so if I hadn't fixed it, I'm sure some other gnome would have. Thanks for asking so politely! – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:19, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

So, if I understand correctly, it's probably because I didn't close the small tag probably? I always do that. I think the small tags are backwards. If you look at the diff, you'll see the reference links. Their closes are in the same spots, but the small tag closes are on the other side (at the begin before the word "small"). It's weird. Oh well. :)

So, if I revert (AGF) and switch the positioning of the close /, will it no longer be in error? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:55 on March 8, 2021 (UTC)

If you move the / before the word "small" in the second tag, that would be correct syntax. It is still an error to use <small>...</small> to wrap normal-sized infobox text, however, per MOS:FONTSIZE.

The ref tag is different; it is a valid "self-closed" tag. In other words, it opens and closes inside the same tag. Self-closing is valid for only a few tags, like ref, nowiki, and a few others, but not for small. You can read more about this difference at Category:Pages using invalid self-closed HTML tags. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:50, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Eek, we do the wrapping of text in small tags a lot in WP:WPRS. Typically, it's normally for translations of text (ie: Spanish to English, etc., WKDV is an example of this), but sometimes it's what a format of a station was when a station is silent (like KBQS-LP). So, that's definitely new information for me. :)

I do, definitely, appreciate the information on the closing of the small tags. I always thought they were the same as the diff/ref tags. Just everything closed on the same side. :) Anyway, I learned something, so much appreciated. :) I will do my best to remember. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 17:53 on March 8, 2021 (UTC)

Have I put the template data in the right place now?

Hi, I'm just getting to grip with templates and put TemplateData in the wrong place in Template:Légifrance. Have I now put it in the right place? Newystats (talk) 21:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

You put it in the right page, and you almost got the format right. Here's what a more complete addition of TemplateData to a doc page looks like. Thanks for adding it for this template! – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Revert

Hi Jonesey95, what was this for? I still had to do some work with ReFill. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 16:47, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

There were way too many errors for me to fix them instead of simply reverting. Lots of mismatched italic formatting, "Malawi" changed to "Malaw", and more. Please use the syntax highlighter gadget, slow down, use Preview, and edit more carefully. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:04, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I guess everyone has their own way of doing this, but thanks anyway. Lotje (talk) 17:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome! I'm always happy to help editors improve their editing skills (and prevent articles from ending up on the error reports that I monitor). Let me know if you have any questions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Template:Chilodontaidae-stub

Hi! Am I missing something or was Template:Chilodontaidae-stub not discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals as required? I'm not finding it anywhere in the archives. Thanks. Majavah (talk!) 11:21, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

I do not understand your question. I created that template because it was being used in the article Herpetopoma corrugatum but did not exist. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:07, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

After further research, I have found {{Chilodontaidae-gastropod-stub}} and redirected the above template there. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Wanted templates

I am assuming you are working from "User:Plastikspork/Transclusions of deleted templates/1" and not "Special:WantedTemplates"? I find the former much easier to parse. thanks for the help. Frietjes (talk) 21:07, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I was working from the Special list, and have done so irregularly over the past 2+ years when I have remembered its existence. It has improved greatly in the last couple of years!

I saw a recent conversation on Plastikspork's user talk page, saying that a few gnomes were trying to get the Special list reduced to the point where it listed every transcluded redlinked template, so I decided to dive in and see what was happening. I worked from the Special list for a while; it is useful for seeing big batches of bad template calls outside of article space, like all of the failed Ping* templates that were fixed today or the pile of failed Cite* template calls that I fixed in the last day or two. (Or the Non-free* and PD* template calls that are cluttering up File: space....)

Now I am working off of User:Plastikspork/Transclusions of deleted templates/1, as you guessed. It is very satisfying to fix three-year-old bad template calls in article space, and we only have about 500 left, plus the ones that come after "P" in the alphabet. I like that it refreshes more than once a month! Waiting on database dumps can get frustrating.

Is there a talk page where these template calls are being discussed? All of the ones I have fixed so far have been pretty easy to fix or delete, but I am sure that we will run into some that look fixable but that we can't figure out. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

The lists in User:Plastikspork/Transclusions of deleted templates started as just a sorted version of WP:Database reports/Transclusions of deleted templates but I expanded it to include Special:WantedTemplates. It caches the lists, and I manually purge the cache when it becomes too long. Unfortunately, it won't add any entries that haven't already been seen on either WP:Database reports/Transclusions of deleted templates or Special:WantedTemplates. I tried to use https://quarry.wmflabs.org/ to generate new lists, but it times out most of the time. The "refreshing" happens when I re-run the script that generates my version of the merged lists. I don't know of a good central location to discuss the clean up. Let me know if there is one. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:48, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Both of you are welcome to come to this talk page to discuss tricky transclusions of non-existent templates. So far, I am cherry-picking easy ones. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

What do the two of you think about excluding User sandbox pages, like User:Daykala/sandbox, from Plastikspork's transclusion report? I don't think that we have a valid reason to be messing around with users' sandboxes; I know that I often deliberately create errors in mine, and I wouldn't want someone coming in to tidy it up unless it was actually breaking something. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:16, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I typically look at "User contributions" for the user to see if the user has made any recent contributions. If the page is old and the editor hasn't been around, then I don't see a problem with tidying it up. The edits can always be reverted, and it helps get us closer to the goal of having a "Special:WantedTemplates" that isn't maxed out. If the user is actively editing it, sometimes they appreciate fixing the errors (like User:Keivan.f/Works), but in many cases I just skip over it and go to the next one. Note that I am already filtering out ".js" pages and about a dozen pages where I know that the user objects to changes. I can certainly add a particular page where appropriate. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough. I am in agreement with getting Special:WantedTemplates to the point where we can see the whole report. I am optimistic enough to think that we have done enough work in the last two weeks that we will reach that goal at the next refresh. I even did some searching in article space for strings like "Template:W" and "Template:S" to try to find unused templates that were not on the report yet. I found about 50 pages with errors that way. If you know of any good tricks for searching for something like "Template:T*" in article space, I'd be interested to hear about them. [Update: Searching for "Template:The" (with quote marks) in article space found me 35 articles to fix. Other words starting with Q through Z will probably have results as well. I found and fixed 100 articles just now using this search method. I should probably just wait for the next report.] – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

If I recall, a month ago, Special:WantedTemplates went up to "mid M" and now it is up to "mid P" so I predict it will be up to "mid T" next refresh, but we shall see :) By the way, a favorite that is continuously popping up can be found with this search or maybe with some variant of this search. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

That second http search is a bottomless pit! It times out with 20 or so results, and after I fix those, it times out again with 20 more. I have submitted a query request after fixing 80+ articles in batches of about 20. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:09, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Re making it to "mid-T": I am a bit more optimistic, but I just stumbled across a bunch of missing userbox templates that start with "User"; I wouldn't be surprised if the end of the list was somewhere in that batch in the next refresh. There are going to be a lot. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Re the user sandbox pages, I was completely wrong. Most of them need the unknown template at the top of the page replaced with {{user sandbox}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:25, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Plastikspork, you might be interested in these links, which do not time out (unless you click them all at once). – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I was using something similar but with more namespaces after following the thread at your query request. I could probably write a script to scrape those and populate a single page. Editors seem to be very happy to repopulate the lists for us :) Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:28, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't think prefix is working with non-article namespaces (probably user error), but this one seems to return some common errors without timing out. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:57, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

You say "user error", I say "confusing design". prefix: works differently in other namespaces. See prefix:File:D for an example, and documentation at H:PREFIX. This search of the whole File: space (hundreds of strange #if statements that look easily fixable with a script or AWB, or which might be valid false positives) does not time out for me, at least right now. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:41, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

For the record, in response to the above guesses about how far through the alphabet we would make it this time, entry 5000 at Special:WantedTemplates starts with "Subst" after today's monthly refresh. I have always said that Wikipedia editors are endlessly creative. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

At the 19 January update, the list ended at "User Pe...". – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Another update for the record: At the 19 February update, the last Roman-alphabet entry was 4874, "Template:ZzzAcademy...". Entry 5000 was "Template:Στοιχεία...". – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:57, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Final update: As of the 19 March 2021 report, we made it to the bottom of the well. There were 2505 total entries on the list at Special:WantedTemplates. Go team! – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:59, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Tricky templates

• {{PD-Morocco}}, transcluded at File:Franco-maroc 1915 genie.jpg, exists at Commons: commons:Template:PD-Morocco. It is too late at night where I am for me to be able to figure out how to copy it to en.WP. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
  • This has been  Fixed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

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Triptan revert

Hi! Could you elaborate on this edit of yours? I didn't add any new templates or parameters. "at" seems to be a valid param per the documentation on {{Cite book}}. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 15:51, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if I reverted a valid change along with template breakage. I am going through a list of articles using invalid templates and seeing a lot of vandalism and bad edits. It looked very suspicious when paired with the breaking of a template a few paragraphs higher and with no changes to the text being supported. If the change to the |at= parameter value, showing the in-source location supporting the cited text, is valid, you are welcome to reinsert it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Oops. I didn't realize I added an "f" to the other template name. Thanks for the clarification! --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Copy Editor's Blitz

Hello! I really want to partake in a blitz. When does the next one start? Thank you; have a great rest of your day! B.KaiEditor (talk) 22:04, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Sometime in the middle of April. Add this page to your watchlist: Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Ombox. It will be updated with the blitz dates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

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Interlinear and Linter

Hi. The issue with the common use of {{interlinear}} leading to the sort of bad html that we only tolerate on talk pages is known. There's a plan to make the template produce the indentation by default, and when that's implemented – which should be within the next month and a half – we'll have a run to remove the leading colons, without adding any parameters. – Uanfala (talk) 14:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I would appreciate it if you stopped fixing that now. It's preferable to have a single change – removing the colon, than going through a first step where the colon is removed and an extra parameters added, and then a month later reversing some of those additions. – Uanfala (talk) 14:22, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I made a bunch of fixes before seeing this message. It looks like there are only about 50 affected pages left. It would be the work of a few minutes for me to fix all of them, and then you could get around to making |indent=2 the default at your leisure. There would be no need to edit the affected pages again, and meanwhile, User:Galobot/report/Articles by Lint Errors won't be cluttered with easy-to-fix pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:27, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

There are about 200 pages altogether minus the ten or so you've fixed now. I really wouldn't like to have all our interlinear templates bloated with extra code, which will shortly need to be removed. The point is to have a single change, where editors just learn that they shouldn't use the colon anymore. This is better than introducing the extra parameters, effectively forcing everyone to learn that they are the norm, only to withdraw them again. – Uanfala (talk) 14:32, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

March drive bling

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE March 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 21:25, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for giving out the barnstars, Miniapolis! – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to Dhtwiki, I didn't have to run the script . Stay well and all the best, Miniapolis 00:51, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

BTW, I have placed the barnstar scripts sent to me in a directory under my sandbox, with email headers removed, along with a machine translation into a Python script, which I may try to use instead (or some other script, once I understand the logic involved), since Visual Basic isn't native to my iMac. It did take some doing to convert the emails I received into text that worked with my browsers. Would making freely available such a version as mine be appropriate? It would make further distributions easier. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't see the harm in it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Broken template move – Cite Colledge

Resolved

Sorry about that I only had it in existence for a short time. Obviously the bot "fixed" some of the in that time. Rather than create a redirect (which would be confusing given the other similar template), I'll run an AWB script to fix them now. -- PBS (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

PBS, thanks, I figured it was something odd like that. No good deed goes unpunished. Thanks for tidying it up. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:03, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Groan! It gets more complicated. Originally there was a template called "Colledge" which contained what was a citation template. So I moved it to "Cite Colledge" only to discover another one called "Colledge2010", so I moved "Cite Colledge" back to "Colledge" not leaving a redirect, and then moved it to "Cite Colledge2006". I moved "Colledge2010" to "Cite Colledge2010" so everything appeared to be tickety-boo. I have started to run the AWB script on the links but in all the cases I have looked at so far the articles are using the old template name {{Colledge}} that is now a redirect to {{Cite Colledge2006}} so it appears that these links that are showing up for {{Cite Colledge}} are false positives (see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Cite_Colledge). I must have confused the database in some way. However what I will do is go through the 188 and explicitly link them to {{Cite Colledge2006}}.

If you have some that you know contain broken links then let me know and I'll fix them first. -- PBS (talk) 16:32, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

PBS, hang on a second. The ones on the what links here page might just need a null edit. Give me a minute to hit them all. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:34, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

That fixed it. I should have tried it earlier. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:53, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I went through the list anyway because I think {{Colledge}} is unclear in edit mode, and this was an excuse to fix about 10% of the articles with a more meaningful (or at least familiar) {{cite Colledge2006}}. -- PBS (talk) 17:41, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

We had a beautiful Main page on 10 April. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Initials in citations

MOS:INITIALS is a redirect to a section of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography. I don't think that the issue of spacing initials applies to citations, as opposed to text. (Other differences between the two are well established, e.g. the use of ISO date formats.) I would personally apply WP:CITEVAR to the spacing of initials in citations. There are citation style guides (e.g. [1]) which use stops/periods but don't space initials; there are others that don't use anything between the letters (e.g. [2]), as well as many that use both spaces and stops/periods. So variation in the formatting of initials is an accepted feature of citation styles. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:51, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I think the MOS is pretty clear on the subject, so I don't agree with you, but it's a small thing, and not a hill I will die on. You are welcome to change initial spacing back to how it was, as long as it is consistent within a given article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:26, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, we can agree on two points: it's not of great importance, and articles should be consistent. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean by "Full citation needed" for Popper's statement on Marx's view in the article Falsifiability?

You asked here for a more complete citation. I have the impression that the citation is quite complete with a page and even an URL to see the context. What else do you expect? Dominic Mayers (talk) 20:51, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

There is no full citation in the References section for anything published by Popper in 1947 (or for Watkins 1989 or Yehuda 2018, for that matter). Those full citations are needed in the References section. Is "Popper 1947" supposed to be "Popper 1974"? – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

This discussion is very confusing. The diff that I provided show clearly that you asked a more complete reference for Popper's statement about Marx's view. So, why are we talking about other references? Please let us do one thing at a time. I don't think there is any content from Watkins or Yehuda in the article that is not properly sourced, even with pages, but here let us first clear up the request for a full citation for Popper's statement about Marx's view. Otherwise, this discussion will go no where. Dominic Mayers (talk) 21:50, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) OK, I understand what you mean. I am very surprised that the reference was not there in the Reference section. Though the abbreviated reference contains a link directly to the book in an archive, a reference is still needed in the reference section. I am sure that I put it there, but people must have done some "cleaning" and somehow it was removed. Thank you. I appreciate your careful look at the references. Dominic Mayers (talk) 22:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Go to this citation and click on the Popper 1947 link. Doesn't go anywhere. That means that the {{harvnb}} template does not have a matching full citation as it should. For comparison, go to this citation and click the Popper 1963 link. Does go to a full citation. That is the issue with Popper 1947; it is missing a full citation.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I realized that and I was writing it while you were writing this explanation. Dominic Mayers (talk) 22:05, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Consider one of the alternatives to show the available error messages listed at :Category:Harv and Sfn template errors § Displaying error messages.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I installed it, despite all the scary warnings. Now, I have to figure out how to make use of it. Dominic Mayers (talk) 23:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

template wrapper |_alias-map=

As a general rule, shouldn't |alias-map= look like this:

|_alias-map=accessdate:access-date, archivedate:archive-date, archiveurl:archive-url, authorlink#:author-link#, author#link:author#-link, origyear:orig-date, nopp:no-pp

Unless excluded, all of the nonhyphenated parameters are passed on to the cs1|2 template when they appear in the template source.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Probably. Typically, I have been including only aliases that I find or expect to find in the wild, so as not to bulk up the code too much. You are welcome to enhance my additions to those templates. I have used roughly the same edit summary for all of my additions, starting on 11 April. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Help

Hi. Jonesey95. Let me to ask you a question about how to create new infobox templates in other language like Tibetan? I can't use infobox tamplate of English version in Tibetan version wikipedia. It says "Template loop detected:" and not work. Can you create a tuturial for it if you know? Please. sorry for use your page. Thank you, Dhondup. Tibetan version wikipedia Link is here.

You did not sign your post with ~~~~ to link to your user page and you did not link to the template page that you are working on, so I can't provide specifics. Typically, you can copy an existing template from the English Wikipedia to another language's Wikipedia, and then while you are editing your new template page, click on your language's version of "Templates used in this preview" to see which other templates and modules you may need to import or modify to make your new template work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:30, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Accessdate

Please stop changing accessdate to access-date. You know full well that this change is controversial and not supported by the majority in a recent RfC you participated in. Seeing countless pointless changes on my watchlist to get this change done before the RfC is reclosed is rather WP:POINTy editing. Fram (talk) 07:23, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

When I look at Jonesey95's contributions I see useful edits, and my largish watchlist does not have countless pointless changes. Consistency is very beneficial. Thanks Jonesey95! Johnuniq (talk) 07:50, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

As far as I know, my edits to articles that have changed |accessdate= to |access-date= have all removed or fixed at least one redundant parameter, e.g. |ref=harv, or deprecated/unsupported parameter, e.g. |dead-url=, or fixed a minor MOS-related error. I often do other minor cleanup, including moving pages toward the standard of hyphenated multi-word parameters in CS1 templates and minor MOS compliance, while I am making these gnome edits, so that editors' watchlists and article histories do not need to have multiple entries when one will suffice.

As far as I know, I am complying with both the pre-RFC state of the world and the initial RFC closure with these edits. Now that the VPP RFC has been unclosed, or whatever the WP-drama term is, we are back to the pre-RFC state. If the RFC is re-closed in such a way that the edits I have been making no longer have consensus, I will comply with that new WP consensus; there are plenty of other minor errors to focus on. It is possible, despite my careful look at each diff before saving, that a diligent contribution inquisitor could find one out of every few hundred of my edits that does not contain such a fix, and for those rare edits, I apologize and request forgiveness from my fellow fallible human editors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:10, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't particularly care about the hyphen or lack thereof, but wondered if you might be able to explain what editing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashington JW RFC (2nd nomination) (closed) did. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with it, just not sure what the "harv" template removal accomplished. Thanks! StarM 00:55, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure. |ref=harv is now a redundant parameter in CS1 (e.g. {{cite book}}) templates. I processed a small batch of AfD pages that had that minor redundancy, and also fixed some "Linter" errors, minor syntax errors and obsolete tags that will need to get cleaned up at some point. The one you saw happened to have no Linter errors, so the only change was to remove the redundant parameter and value. I know it's a very minor change whose only effect for most editors is to remove a hidden maintenance category; they don't call it gnoming for nothing. Most of my edits are this sort of minor tidying that gnomes do; we prevent dust and cruft from accumulating across the millions of pages of WP, helping to limit the number of errors and inconsistencies that readers and editors have to deal with. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:39, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Jonesey95, that's super helpful. Is it possible the way some other automatic edits work to link that explanation even if it's just saved on a Template Talk somewhere. I think especially with templates there are many good changes that I and probably others would get with your explanation, which is obviously too long for an edit summary. Thanks again StarM 12:56, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

My edit summary linked to a page of Linter errors and to Help:CS1 errors, where CS1 errors are explained. It looks like the |ref=harv redundancy is not explained there, so I should probably find a better link. Most of my CS1-related edits fix something listed on that page, so it is usually a useful link. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:29, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

My talk page

Greetings, and thank you for trying to help format my talk page. I believe it is unnecessary to do this however, as it is not meant for encyclopedic purposes . It is a talk page for a user page. The first one of your edits led to a red link, so I reverted it. Fun Fact: It also leaves me with 2 notifications whenever you edit my talk page, so please stop. I don't care how you organise your talk page, but don't mess with mine. Thank you, KommanderChicken (talk) 15:04, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Please see WP:REDNOT and WP:TPO ("Fixing links" and "Deactivating templates, categories, and interlanguage links"). There is a group of us working to remove transclusions of nonexistent templates throughout the English Wikipedia. Sorry for the excessive notifications. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:13, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Don't be a dick

Your reverts [3][4] of RICE (medicine) are unhelpful. I went to the trouble of finding the latest review articles, read them, and revised the article with up-to-date evidence-based medicine. I used to know the citation templates for DOIs and PMIDs but they have changed. It is particularly unhelpful of you to remove medically valid information from Wikipedia. Rather than simply reverting, a little effort to fix the citations would be far more constructive. I would have thought making a good encyclopedia would be the goal. I shall not revert again as it is edit warring. I leave it up to you whether you want the article left with out of date medical information. 92.19.96.152 (talk) 00:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Personal attack acknowledged. In my first edit summary, I suggested that you use Preview. In my second edit summary, I linked to Help:Citation tools#Citation tools. I also recommend that you read WP:REDNOT and post your request for an improvement on the article's talk page. Someone whom you have not personally insulted will probably be willing to assist you. I hope you feel better tomorrow. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

RE: Please close all tags

Thank you for bringing this to my attention I will remember to close tags in the future Hiyouboots (talk) 14:08, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Template:Codenowiki

In what way did my edit not work? I had a quick look at what you had tried in your sandbox but couldn't tell. If you forget to subst then both the old and my versions don't work, admittedly in different ways, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&oldid=1019700497. I tested in Template:X3 which may have been cleared by the time you read this. Many thanks, User:GKFX^talk 22:34, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Please make your changes in the template's sandbox and test them on the testcases page so that there is a record of your tests. Bold editing is encouraged in some places, but not in template space. (By the way, if you can figure out a way to make a "codenowiki" template that works without substing so that people don't have to type <code><nowiki>foo</nowiki></code> every time they want to show a code sample, you'll be a WikiHero!) – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:48, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Meh. Too much typing to type {{subst:nowiki|<stuff to be formatted>}}. Easier to customize CharInsert with something like this:

// Add custom CharInsert entries
window.charinsertCustom = {
 "Insert": '<code><nowiki>+</nowiki></code>',
};

Then, highlight and click the item in the CharInsert menu

You could, I suppose do the same with {{nowiki}}:

// Add custom CharInsert entries
window.charinsertCustom = {
 "Insert": '{{subst:nowiki|+}}',
};

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I always forget about the toolbar; I eventually disabled it to regain screen space. And yes, typing subst:templatename... is about the same level of meh as open/closed code/nowiki tags, but I'd love to be able to type {{cono|1={{templatename|parameter=[[wikilink]]}}}} and know that it would display my sample code properly. That's the sort of dream I have when I start dreaming BIG. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:33, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Death of Benito Mussolini

Hey, you just got me into trouble with that article. Instead of reverting you had to correct the source mode. If you want to contribute then do it right. Otherwise go to something else.--EnzoGorlomi90 (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

It looks like you may have missed the links and explanations in my edit summary. They should help you make your desired edit correctly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:22, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hello J. Regarding Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_April_18#Category:Infobox_person_using_boxwidth/influence/ethnicity/religion/denomination/home_town_parameter. I'm the editor who cleaned out most of the home town uses in the infobox. While doing that work every so often new articles would show up in that cat. My sense is that this happens when editors from India (and a couple other countries) add new articles (or infoboxes to existing articles) where they bring over the info from their wiki where the field still exists. The removal of the cat would prevent me from being able to track those. I did see your edits a few days ago to the infobox person removing any mention of that field so my question is did that mean no editor can add that field to an infobox anymore. If so then great but I did want to double check with you since my understanding of how this works is minimal. Thanks for your time. MarnetteD|Talk 22:57, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Good questions. Any new uses of |home town= will put articles into Category:Pages using infobox person with unknown parameters, listed in the TOC under the letter "H" for "home town". Articles in that category are listed by the name of the unsupported parameter, not by the article name. At this time, there are zero such articles out of about 1,500 total articles with unsupported parameters in that infobox, so you can rest easy and check the category periodically.

If that doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll try to explain it using different words. Template code can be confusing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

I think I've got it J. Fortunately, I worked with a category like that for the infobox writer :-) If anything goes awry I'll be back to get some clarification from you. Many thanks and cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 23:36, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Followup. When I worked with that writers cat I couldn't understand why the names weren't in alphabetic order. Thanks to your explanation I now know the alpha is for the field that needs checking not the article title. Thus, you have fulfilled my "learn something new each day" requirements for April 19. That deserves an extra many many thanks :-) MarnetteD|Talk 23:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi again J. I'm wondering if the same criteria regarding the home town cat apply to Category:Infobox person using residence. RexxS set that cat up for us wikignomes to remove that field from the infobox in the same way that he later created the home town cat. If any new use of the residence field puts an article into the "unknown parameters" cat then it is redundant as well. I apologize for not asking this earlier as I fear it may be too late to add it to the current CFD. Again thanks for your time in looking at this. MarnetteD|Talk 20:48, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

I boldly added it to the current CFD. I might get my wrist slapped, which I can handle. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:56, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Good deal. I do hope that it doesn't lead to a Rochambeau situation :-) Cheers and have a nice week. MarnetteD|Talk 21:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

April blitz bling

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 2,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE April 2021 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 23:22, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Help with visibility issue

Resolved

Hello Jonesey. At the bottom of Template:Jaguars2021DraftPicks the links to the previous years (1995 through 2008) are there, but invisible. They are black text on a black background. This is true for all the Jags draft templates from 2009-present. Not sure how to fix it. --DB1729 (talk) 16:32, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

It appears that a change by Charlesaaronthompson to Module:Gridiron color/data may have caused these links to become unreadable. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:52, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh goodness, not again. Should've known. I've been through things like this before with h...--DB1729 (talk) 18:14, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I think I may have been wrong about the time frame, but I have fixed one of the color specifications in that module data file, and the links look OK now. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, looks good to me now. Thanks! --DB1729 (talk) 19:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Template errors

Resolved

Can you look at Category:Pages with bad rounding precision. These are new today, and there are no changes in the articles or the template they use - so something nested farther down must have changed. Maybe you can track it down. MB 22:18, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

There were some invalid edits to {{To USD/data/2019}}. I figured it out by clicking on "Related changes" at the left side of one of the articles and looking for templates or modules that had been changed. I have reverted those edits, which looked like a combination of possibly valid numeric updates and invalid updates to country codes. That has cleared the category. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:33, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

More template errors

Resolved

Hey, here is a new one. Honkajoki and Lapinjärvi (municipality) have convert errors that have something to do with recent change to population template data. They look like good population updates overall, but something must be a little off here. MB 16:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Konryusui removed honkajoki and some other municipalities from {{Data Finland municipality/population count}}, which caused these errors. Perhaps that editor knows the best way to fix this problem. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, I'll be doing my best to fix these shortly - I presume they have to do with Honkajoki being abolished since the last update to the data and the disambiguation for Lapinjärvi, but I'll get back to you ASAP. Konryusui (talk) 17:19, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Both of them have been successfully fixed. Thanks for the heads up again. Konryusui (talk) 18:26, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Nice work, Konryusui! – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Linter errors fixed at Module:Graphical timeline

I fixed the linter errors in Module:Graphical timeline that you pointed out --- I converted the legend to a table, so that user-entered text can be wrapped in a div.

I'm curious: how did you find the problem? There are literally millions of pages with lint errors: is there a nice method for altering, or running on a watchlist? — hike395 (talk) 11:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I have been working with a few other editors to clean up various reports of Linter errors, like this one. {{Early Echinoderms graphical timeline}} popped up in that list in the last few days. When I visit an affected page, I use LintHint to find the errors on the page, or on a transcluded page, and try to fix them. Right now, I'm working on Template space, where most of the errors affecting many pages have been cleaned up, but there is a long list of minor errors to tidy up. Every once in a while, I still find a widely transcluded error, such as this one that fixed about 10,000 article talk pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Cute news

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A tag has been placed on Template:Cute news requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, such as at Articles for deletion. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discussion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:16, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Pppery, I objected to this speedy deletion on the talk page, but the page was deleted anyway, after my objection was posted. Something appears to have gone wrong with this process. I have pinged you from the CSD talk page, where there is also a link to my DRV request. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:49, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

"Template:Cute book" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:Cute book. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 4#Template:Cute book until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. DrKay (talk) 07:00, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

"Template:Cite jorunal" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:Cite jorunal. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 4#Template:Cite jorunal until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. DrKay (talk) 12:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Regarding User:Lajbi's signature

You may want to update your script because it is replacing User:Lajbi's signature partially. It is ignoring the second font tag. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 06:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Script updated. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Elizabeth Butler, Duchess of Ormond

Dear Jonesey95. Thank you for the attention I got from you with some of my latest edits on the articles of my watchlist. You summary comment is "WP:REDNOT. Please fix your script". However, these are manual edits. I do not use a script. Perhaps I should have. They are repetitive edits on articles on my watchlist. I do not see where I created an illicit red link. I move from "#Marriage and children" to #chldrn" referring to an anchor for the link in the Noble infobox, uppercase template names (sfn -> Sfn etc) change from Citation to Cite book and some others. I do not see a problem with this, but being a Wikipedia novice I there might well be that I am just not aware of it. I see that you are an extremely experienced user. Here might be my chance to learn from you. With many thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 13:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

You changed {{citation needed}} to {{cite book needed}}. That does not seem like something that a human brain would do. It looks like a find-and-replace operation that was not done as carefully as necessary. I have made plenty of such mistakes over the years. I try to use Preview and Show Changes to inspect my edits carefully before saving them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Dear Jonesey95. You are right. This is a find-and-replace but a manual one in the editor (the button on the frame in the upper-right corner). I wanted to change the long descriptions of the books in the reference section from the {{Citation}} template to the much more commonly used {{Cite book}} template, but this also changed {{citation needed}},which is sometimes present on this articles, to {{Cite book needed}}. This creates an error as no such template exists but not a red link. I you allow, I will revert your reversions and fix these errors. With many thanks, Johannes Schade (talk) 14:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Changing {{citation}} to {{cite book}} may be a violation of WP:CITEVAR. 15:00, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Dear Jonesey95. You are of course right again, but in most cases it was me who changed it from Cite book to Citation in the days when Cite book did not work well together with Sfn. In all these articles I am the foremost contributor. I always wanted to thank the guy or girl who made Cite book compatible with Sfn, but I do not know who did it. Now I hope somebody would deprecate Citation. Perhaps you can. With many thanks, Johannes Schade (talk) 16:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

"Template:Cote web" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:Cote web. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 5#Template:Cote web until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Dudhhr (talk) 02:04, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Dudhhr, why? Did you look at the evidence and guidelines I provided for the 4 May nominations? I guess I'll just paste them again. All of these should be closed as obvious Keeps. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:35, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

• OK, I can retract the submission and will remember to make better XfDs in the future. it was all agf Dudhhr (talk) 03:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I appreciate it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Jonesey95 and template redirects. Thank you. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I encourage my page watchers, especially those familiar with application and interpretation of guidelines, to take a look at this discussion. It appears to be based on multiple misunderstandings. This is not a solicitation of support; I know better than that. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. DrKay (talk) 18:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

DrKay and Ivanvector: Please read and follow WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE, which lists this first step that you both bypassed: If the issue is a conduct dispute (i.e., editor behavior) the first step is to talk with the other editor at their user talk page in a polite, simple, and direct way. You are both experienced editors. I trust that you will do the right thing in the future and avoid the public embarrassment of being scolded at ANI in front of people whom you presumably respect. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

OK. Please stop creating redirects to cite templates. As I explained at the deletion discussions, it causes confusion and leads to greater difficulty in managing the cite templates through automated processes and searches. Typos should be corrected at the source not covered over with a redirect. You should at least wait for the current deletion discussions to close before creating a bunch of other redirects. DrKay (talk) 20:42, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

As a good faith gesture, even despite your failure to follow dispute resolution processes, I will desist from creating redirects to cite templates while I wait a reasonable time (let's say one week, to avoid ambiguity and misunderstanding) for you or others to cite a guideline or policy that supports your objection to such redirects from foreign languages. As I have patiently explained multiple times in the RFD discussions, these redirects, which I have created based on their actual transclusion in actual pages, make article creation, reading, and editing easier and better for editors and readers. As for correcting the problems at the source, that happens specifically based on the presence of templates like {{R from misspelling}} and resulting reports like Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked misspellings, which are monitored by gnomes and bots. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

By the way, at the risk of repeating myself, the relevant guideline that supports the creation and keeping of these templates is WP:R#KEEP, item 5: Someone finds them useful. They are useful because they render, or partially render with helpful error messages, citation templates instead of something like Template:Bokref, which provides no guidance on how to resolve the problem.

Compare this useful redirect, {{Citar livro}}: . 2007. {{cite book}}: Missing or empty |title= (help); Unknown parameter |autor= ignored (|author= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |titolo= ignored (|title= suggested) (help)

with how a nonexistent redirect, {{Cite fake}} renders: Template:Cite fake

The foreign-language redirect is more useful than the redlink. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The questionable ANIs aside, on the content issue IMO it has to be noted that this is the English-language Wikipedia. A few things should follow from that fact, for example: most conversation on talk pages should be in English, most sources cited should be in English, etc. More importantly, the articles should be in English, as should their wikitext and any notes left in <!-- -->. Template names and parameters used in articles should also be in English, and where they aren't those should be deleted or amended. As it relates to this, {{Citar livro}} reads like nonsense in the wikitext.

It's one thing to have non-English redirects to articles - that's a non-problem because it can only serve to help people who type that name into search. It doesn't cause any problems. It's more confusing to have foreign template redirects, because those will be used in the wikitext, and others won't be able to decipher what it means without entering the name into their search box. A system of automatic bot substitution is fine and might be a good idea, but they shouldn't be setup as ordinary redirects. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

There are already bots and gnomes who find and fix these foreign-language templates in wikitext. That is why there are often zero transclusions. The system works. It is a bit frustrating to have people who do not work with these templates on a daily basis parachute in and say that they are pointless, useless, implausible, etc. when they are demonstrably not any of those things. I gave an example of their utility above. They help editors expand and improve the English Wikipedia, which is ostensibly why we are all HERE. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I feel like people in the RfD might find it more reassuring to hear that - that these redirects will not (in practice) be used in articles due to humans/bots replacing them - than hear why they're useful (sorta implicitly giving the idea that they will be used in articles). At least those people with similar concerns to mine. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I said exactly this in the Keep statement that I made at all three of the RFDs: The template is orphaned because at least one editor regularly fixes transclusions of redirects that are typos based on this report and other pages like it. It should be trivial for a bot to fix transclusions of templates that are tagged with {{R from misspelling}}, if having them around is a problem.. Nevertheless, editors continue to post !votes that say "Delete, pointless." and similar things. I hold out a bit of hope that the RFD closers, rather than counting !votes, will weigh each statement based on its actual merit and relationship to reality. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:04, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Turtle sourcing

Would you be able to fix the formatting of turtle? Make all the source currently placed under "references" so that they are cited in the body instead of the harv/sfn format? LittleJerry (talk) 16:18, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

A major change like that would need a discussion on the article's talk page first. Also, it looks like the source "Orenstein 2012" is missing from the References section. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:25, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I plan on adding it. Its a book I am using. Chiswick Chap and I are editing the article for GA and FA so it should be okay. LittleJerry (talk) 20:49, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I added Orenstein a couple of hours ago. On the ref format, it looks as if the article once used sfn and a list of sources, but has for years now been adding embedded refs; I've commented out the (many) listed sources that are no longer in use in the text (if ever they were). But Jonesey95 is formally correct, to stop the faffing about we do actually need consensus on the talk page. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:55, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Interlinear indent + number parameters

Just wanted to let you know that the indent and number parameters in the Interlinear template don't play well together and will visually overlap as so:

(1)

hello

hello

world

world

hello world

hello world

"Hello world (2)"

You should either set the indent value to "3" or leave it blank altogether (since 3 is the template's default value).

(1)

hello

hello

world

world

hello world

hello world

"Hello world (3)"

Cheers. — Io Katai ᵀᵃˡᵏ 16:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hm, that's not very pretty is it? Thanks for the tip; I'll go back to look at the articles I just fixed up and apply indent=3 as needed. Let me know if you come across anything I messed up (feel free to look through my recent contributions), and I'll fix it ASAP. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I found and fixed a few errors that I had made. If you see any more, please let me know. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Edits Reverted

My edits in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ezhava&action=history is reverted .I have provided the reliable sources. please see what you can do.

Those edits were restored. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:12, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 I'm pretty sure he is evading a block and doesn't want me on the talk page so he started reverting the edit request status.R.C^{Outlander07@talk} 16:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Template:SORTIERUNG

Hi Jonesey, just to follow up your point at the recent redirect delete discussion. Yes, I created Template:SORTIERUNG as a redirect a while back, but it never works. German Wiki uses a colon separator and so it just shows as an error e.g. Template:SORTIERUNG:Lasorling. I have just noticed that if you substitute a pipe, the error disappears, but I'm not sure if it then works as intended. Are you able to check that? Bermicourt (talk) 07:16, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the redirect with a pipe works fine. I think a bot replaces them with the proper usage when they are used in pages. You could leave one in one of your pages to see if a bot comes along to fix it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Need cosmetic edit to refresh pages

There are only 3 more pages left in Template namespace that have obsolete tags. One you have nominated for deletion, the other two are Template:Editnotices/Page/User:Cyberbot II/Run/SPAM and Template:Editnotices/Page/User:Cyberpower678/Flipper/Hash. These two transclude pages from userspace. The source pages have already been corrected but the templates are still showing in Linter report. I observed in other cases that refreshing the template by making cosmetic edits like adding a whitespace (and self revert if necessary) will take the page off the Linter report. I cannot do this here since they are Editnotices and require template editor access. I am sure if you do it they will go off the report. We might finally get errors down to zero! ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 05:57, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

I null edited both of those pages. As for this one, your edit changed the bracket from centered on the page to left-aligned. I prefer not to change the rendered format of the page, so I had left it unedited until I could figure out a solution. I don't think it's kosher to simply remove centering entirely if the original editor clearly wanted something centered. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:04, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

BTW, if you're interested, this change is a way to get rid of stripped/missing tr/td/th tags in templates that render a single row or cell of a table. There are a bunch of them named Template:*int in the stripped tag list. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:08, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

You are right, I have reverted my change to ANZ template. Will check out the stripped tag list. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 06:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Redirects in nav templates

You probably don't remember this, but a while ago I asked you to replace a redirect in some navigation template. You didn't do it, citing no good reason to make an edit just to bypass a redirect. I've since learned there is WP:NAVNOREDIRECT that says it is preferable to have direct links. Just passing this along as an F.Y.I. MB 22:58, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I've seen that page. I won't complain if other editors do it, but it's just not for me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

RE:

Thank you. I understand. Regards, --Magical Blas (talk) 15:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC).

Wikipedia:Database reports/Transclusions of non-existent templates

Hi Jonesey95. Wikipedia:Database reports/Transclusions of non-existent templates is now up and running as a weekly database report. Apologies this took so long. Best, FASTILY 03:15, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Fastily, that is helpful, thank you! Is there any chance it can be made longer, possibly listing all nonexistent templates with (article space, if size limits are necessary) transclusions, and sorted A–Z? I don't want to make a ton of extra work for you, but if those two things are easy tweaks, our little team of gnomes would appreciate it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Certainly, I can alphabetize the report. I do plan on making the report longer, but that's going to require more research on my end. As-is, the report is very computationally intensive to generate, and I didn't want to be that one person who monopolizes all the resources on Toolforge. I'll update you if I am able to make any progress on this. Regards, FASTILY 07:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Don't spend too much time on it. For the record, the first version of the report had just under 100 entries and went up to "C" in the alphabet. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:15, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Fastily, if expanding the report is too much work, would you be able to just refresh it daily instead? That will help us chip away at old transclusions as well as catching recent errors and vandalism. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:33, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

My only concern is that out of all my weekly reports, this one report takes well over an hour to generate. By comparison, my other reports take seconds to minutes. So realistically there's two paths forward: I can either do some research to try improving my query's efficiency and increase the weekly report size, or I can reduce the report's length and run it everyday. Any preference? -FASTILY 06:32, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I prefer frequency over length at this time. The first report had about 100 pages on it. If we can get a report with 100 pages on it every day, we should be able to make some good progress. Thanks. If limiting the namespace scope of the query will help it run faster, the most useful namespaces to report on for now are Article and User space. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear, the 100 item report takes 1h to generate. I'll re-configure the report for shorter daily updates (~50 entries). Doesn't look like it; according to the query analyzer, filtering by mainspace and userspace results in negligible performance impact. -FASTILY 07:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I'll take whatever you are willing to deliver. 50 per day is better than 100 per week! Thanks for working through this with me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:42, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Fastily, the 100-item weekly updates have been very helpful, but they still only reach "Template:Cite web" in the alphabet each week, due to the level of vandalism and incompetent edits. Based on other reports, that is probably about a quarter of what a full report (to the end of the alphabet) would be. If you can manage a report with 50 to 100 items per day instead of 100 per week, that would help us counteract additional vandalism and reader-facing template messes. Thanks for anything you can do. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:11, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I got tied up in the FastilyBot rewrite (migrating from Java -> Python). I'll try to get this up in the next day or so; will ping you when it's ready. -FASTILY 21:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, got it updating daily, you should be seeing 100 new entries each day. I had to perform an emergency rewrite of my bot last week thanks to a change by the WMF devs which caused certain kinds of queries to break. Thanks again for your patience. Regards, FASTILY 21:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Changes do keep us on our toes, don't they? Thanks for sticking with it. I appreciate it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

fyi, I used the code to create this query which can be run on demand. Frietjes (talk) 17:52, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Cyberbot sign

You said here that insource search showed Cyberbot II signatures present in 140,000 pages. Can you share the search link because for me in this it is showing 83,000 pages. Primefac said it is OK for me to include it in first task itself. So I am going to update it and need to know the number of pages affected. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 18:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I just checked the search that I used, and it had a bunch of false positives. Here's a search that agrees with your count. No guarantees that these are all broken signatures. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	Thanks for taking up the call to resolve a decade-old issue with {{Format price}}, helping make a widely-used template more usable. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. It was fun. I hope someone finds my /sandbox edit summaries entertaining. I try to keep my edit summaries neutral, but I sometimes let loose a bit when playing in sandboxen. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:11, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Open the laika page

Open the laika page Yozdek (talk) 13:48, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Just checking

The bot finished its run, and I was going to post on the talk page, but then I saw this discussion and your revert back to the original form. My only concern is that now there are no pages with a |background= parameter... Was the diff a mistake or are there 100k pages that now are missing a (once again valid) param? Primefac (talk) 12:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC) (please ping on reply)

Primefac, my edits were to restore consensus (non-)rendering of colors and some code related to an image caption. I have no opinion on the utility of |background= or whether it should be restored to those articles. It appears to have something to do with hcards, whatever those are; the description of the use of the parameter by hcards was hidden in the documentation of a subtemplate page, which was bad documentation design. I have a feeling that there may be more discussion coming on the template's talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox_musical_artist

Can we please add |pronunciation= in line with Infobox_person? ATS (talk) 16:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Get consensus on the template's talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Be nice if I got any attention there. RfC? ATS (talk) 01:51, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

If you don't get any attention there, add your proposed code to the template's sandbox and then create an edit request (by attempting to edit the template itself; you will see a form to fill out). – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Articles using Cite rowlett template with invalid page designation

A tag has been placed on Category:Articles using Cite rowlett template with invalid page designation indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

infobox station question

Category:Pages using infobox station with unknown parameters starting filling up today with articles using |services_state=. But the template wasn't edited and I have no idea what is causing this. Just wanted to see that it was intentional before I started removing it from the articles. MB 03:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

That parameter was removed from the template within the last 20 edits or so, but I didn't dig in to find out exactly when or why. I recommend asking on the template's talk page. It is possible that the parameter is used by a subtemplate and that the updated parameter check is not smart enough to figure that out. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:03, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Template:Interlinear

I looked, and I now understand what you said about bolding words separately. What I don't get is why people set

|indent=3

--Eievie (talk) 15:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Because they want the template to be indented, and indenting it with colons is Bad Markup. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

That's just a temporary solution. The next version of the template will apply indentation by default, so there won't be any need for either |indent= or leading colons. – Uanfala (talk) 12:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

May drive bling

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Substing {{Templates notice}} in {{Uw-accessdate2}}

Hi! I just reverted your subst'ing of {{Templates notice}} on {{Uw-accessdate2}}, quoting the note about subst'ing. And then I noticed that you're the one who wrote that note. I'm guessing you just forgot to revert yourself on the Uw-accessdate2 template? --rchard2scout (talk) 08:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Oh dear, sorry about that. I was pretty sure that I hadn't saved that edit attempt, because it didn't look right. The documentation on Templates notice was incorrect (and is still incorrect, needing the note I wrote at the top to fix it). Too many noincludes needed. Confusing. Thanks for fixing my error. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:51, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

template help for swwiki

Hi, I see you edited recently the template:NFT player, At swwiki we have a problem with this one. Could you possibly help? We have had [[5]] since 2011, back then imported by Rich Farmbrough.

Now it does not work any more (no idea since when). We do not have anybody in our community who gets along with the complicated templates. Appreciate if you can give it a look or refer me to someone. Kipala (talk) 11:41, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Kipala: I think that I have fixed it. See changes at sw:Kigezo:NFT player and the link at sw:Yoshikatsu Kawaguchi and similar articles. There are probably some that do not work. I did not add any error-checking. If there is a player that does not work, add |id= or add their NFT ID in Wikidata. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:08, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Broken WD calls

Anahawan was moved to this title today, and it looks like the connection to WD needs to be updated. Although there is some data in the infobox, the lead and EL section are certainly messed-up. MB 01:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Liz made the move, so might know more than I. I don't know why this place is considered "uniquely named", per Liz's edit summary, since Anahawan, Sibagat exists, as does a barangay of the same name in Bato, Leyte. In any event you are correct that the WD item linked to Anahawan is a dab page, and that the page for the municipality should be linked to WD item Q173608. I hesitate to try to fix that before knowing whether the move was a good idea. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:47, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Liz, still waiting for a comment. Should this move be undone? MB 15:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the talk page notice, Jonesey95, I get so many pings, I don't always check my notifications regularly.

The Anahawan move was part of about a dozen similar moves proposed by HueMan1 and after checking the first couple and finding the requests reasonable, I did the remainder of the moves. The rationale for all of the moves was MOS:PHIL guidelines have been reversed and now prefers the <cityname> only convention for uniquely-named places. Maybe HueMan1 has something to say about these requests.

If these moves screwed things up, let me know what I can do to fix things or I can revert them. I'm sorry that there was collateral damage. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

It looks like this one page, at least, did not meet the "unique" requirement. I think that Anahawan should be moved back to Anahawan, Southern Leyte, and the dab page formerly at Anahawan should be restored. If any of the other moves resulted in clobbering of dab pages, they should probably be reviewed, at a minimum, for errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

The general consensus regarding the notability of barangays is that not all of them are notable. Even if a barangay is notable (which isn't the case for the barangay mentioned above), entries for the municipality with the same name should be the primary topic of a page. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 01:09, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. It looks like you or someone else has fixed up Wikidata so that Anahawan works now. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:35, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Font size increased for Post Town field in Infobox:UK place

Hi there. Was your edit to increase the font size of the Post Town field in the Infobox:UK place the result of wider discussion? Because in the template, a place's Post Town is displayed in caps, I think the 100% font size looks really ugly; it looked much better before. The guidelines you cite in your edit summary state that increased and decreased font sizes should be avoided in prose (i.e. the body of articles) but are permissible in a "carefully designed template". Granted, it goes on to say that decreased font size should be avoided in an Infobox where the font size is already smaller, but I don't think this is intended to mean where the relevant text is just one word (i.e. a Post Town). Please could you consider reverting the edit? --Songofachilles (talk) 18:47, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Where in the guideline and the relevant RFC is there a mention of a "one word" exception? The font size is already at 88%, so it can't get much smaller and remain accessible. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:41, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Songofachilles:. The smaller font size was only added today, without discussion. So I'm not sure that it really needs a wider discussion to remove it again. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@WOSlinker:. But the font size is now bigger, not smaller. And I wasn't proposing a wider discussion to remove it again, just asking the editor to consider reverting it and enquiring whether the edit in question was the result of discussion. I don't think it was a necessary edit, but happy to agree that the Guideline says what it says... -- Songofachilles (talk) 22:25, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I have copied the version of the live template from 19 June into the sandbox so that it can be compared with the current live template using Template:Infobox UK place/testcases. Where are you seeing a font that is bigger in the live template than it is in the sandbox (the 19 June version)? If I have made a mistake, I will fix it. I believe that the undiscussed(?) font-size changes that violate that widely accepted MOS guideline were implemented in good faith by MSGJ. That editor presumably copied the entire sandbox to the live template, not realizing that changes other than the "historic county" modifications were present in the sandbox. As far as I can tell, I have rectified that situation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

All I know is that the Post Town field has appeared as small caps in the Infobox:UK place for at least the past year. I think it looked better than the current settings which is caps in line with the size of the rest of the Infobox text. But I understand that the edit is in line with the MOS guideline (unless there was some good reason for small caps at the time it was implemented, which can't have been yesterday) so no problem. Thanks --Songofachilles (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Feel free to find that version in the template's history, copy its code into the sandbox, verify it on the testcases page, and discuss it on the template's talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:54, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I've found it. It was a change, Izno did on the 14th June. -- WOSlinker (talk) 23:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I've updated the sandbox and you can see the difference in the testcases now. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

WOSlinker Thank you very much for doing this. I will raise it on the template's talk page to see what people prefer and to see if we can find out why it was small caps originally (which I personally think looks better). User:Jonesey95 Sorry for the confusion. I understand now that you were re-implementing existing changes to the template, not making a new one. Thanks both :) --Songofachilles (talk) 08:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

GOCE June 2021 newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2021 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the June newsletter, our first newsletter of 2021, which is a brief update of Guild activities since December 2020. To unsubscribe, follow the link at the bottom of this box. Current events Election time: Voting in our mid-year Election of Coordinators opened on 16 June and will conclude at the end of the month. GOCE coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Have your say and show support here. June Blitz: Our June copy-editing blitz is underway and will conclude on 26 June. Drive and blitz reports January Drive: 28 editors completed 324 copy edits totalling 714,902 words. At the end of the drive, the backlog had reached a record low of 52 articles. (full results) February Blitz: 15 editors completed 48 copy edits totalling 142,788 words. (full results) March Drive: 29 editors completed 215 copy edits totalling 407,736 words. (full results) April Blitz: 12 editors completed 23 copy edits totalling 56,574 words. (full results) May Drive: 29 editors completed 356 copy edits totalling 479,013 words. (full results) Other news Progress report: as of 26 June, GOCE participants had completed 343 Requests since 1 January. The backlog has fluctuated but remained in control, with a low of 52 tagged articles at the end of January and a high of 620 articles in mid-June. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Tenryuu and Twofingered Typist, and from member Reidgreg. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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June blitz bling

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		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 1,999 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE June 2021 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 02:43, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

GOCE waiting list

Hi @Jonesey95: Can we withdraw a request from GOCE waiting list and replace it by another? I currently have one request (Jimmy Carter 1976 presidential campaign) in waiting list, but I want to replace it by another request (Harry S. Truman 1948 presidential campaign), so that the new request too remains in the May section. Is it acceptable? Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:53, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I have already answered this question for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Degodia (Clan)

I created this page with many information with many sources it was accepted I was adding information with sources and you moved to another page I wanted to be the admin my page if moved to that page it means I am not admin And you can delete that page Degoodi cause it is very small information with not full sources and also the names are different Degoodi and Degodia (Clan) I want to block Any one who vandalised by page but now I can't please delete that page Restore my page. Mohamed IT (talk) 20:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

You created a duplicate of an article that already existed, and nobody in the approval chain appeared to notice. You can look in the page history of Degodia (Clan) and copy any wikitext that you want into the established article, including sources. When you do, please be sure to put "copied from Degodia (Clan)" into your edit summary. Thanks! – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Many thanks for tidying up my userpage. I was extremely lazy to do it, but thanks for the effort. My dad made this cheeseburger for you, hope you enjoy it EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 00:31, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Delicious! Thank you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:21, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Will pass your message on to my dad. He's an accountant by profession but at home he cooks a lot of great food. So does my grandma and mum. Heck, I think i need to go on Masterchef to learn how to cook :P --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 04:01, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

template infobox person

This version was in Category:Pages using infobox person with unknown parameters because it was using deprecated |home_town=. I've since fixed that, but the article was also in Category:Pages using Infobox person with deprecated parameter home town (which doesn't exist anymore). Did you miss something back in April? MB 16:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Help nominating DYK article

Hi Jonesy. I was wondering if you could help me nominate Fallout: Equestria for DYK. I noticed that you reverted my previous attempt to nominate but I don't know what I did wrong since this is a new process for me. The article was deleted 7 years so the original nom got rejected but I remade the page a couple days ago. How do I make a new nomination?BuySomeApples (talk) 01:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know anything about DYKs. You can ask for help at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:56, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Template errors after page move

Another Philippine article, Anilao, was moved and now has error I believe are related to WD again, in the demographic section and an EL. MB 03:14, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Pinging HueMan1, who appears to have fixed the previous one. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:12, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 and MB:  Done! —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Wrong timestamp for Elo rating

Hi – the wrong timestamp is being shown for Mamikon Gharibyan's FIDE rating. The rating shown, 2464, is the current one for July 2021 (according to FIDE), but the timestamp says "March 2020". (The player's rating in March 2020 was 2433.) This seems to be related to the fact that the article was last edited in March 2020. If I "edit source" and "show preview" without making changes, the correct current timestamp is displayed. I'm writing to you because you recently made some changes to Template:Elo rating, in particular this one that removed the {{purge}} instruction, and I was wondering whether that may be related. (I don't know enough about this template myself to fix it.) Joriki (talk) 13:25, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

You are correct; it works properly, but differently from the way that I had hoped. I have asked at WP:VPT. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed. I failed to find how to do it in the documentation, but helpful VPT readers were helpful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

meaning of "country" in chess player infobox

Hi – it's me again – I thought you might perhaps have something to say on this issue. Joriki (talk) 11:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

No, I do not. I am primarily a technical editor and mostly avoid weighing in on content or template documentation discussions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Help on this template on a local Wiki

Hi, I have noticed your contributions for Template:Infobox settlement template. I am tryin to create this template on my local wiki and it gives me errors. I would appreciate if you could help me on it. you can check this local wiki pages for ref. If you are unable to, i would appreciate if u could direct me to someone who could help.

Here are the links

[6] [7] Glacious (talk) 14:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Those pages look good to me. Maybe someone fixed the errors for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Wars and the Israel-Palestine Conflict...please fill out my survey?

Hello :) I am writing my MA dissertation on Wikipedia Wars and the Israel-Palestine conflict, and I noticed that you have contributed to those pages. My dissertation will look at the process of collaborative knowledge production on the Israel-Palestine conflict, and the effect it has on bias in the articles. This will involve understanding the profiles and motivations of editors, contention/controversy and dispute resolution in the talk pages, and bias in the final article.

For more information, you can check out my meta-wiki research page or my user page, where I will be posting my findings when I am done.

I would greatly appreciate if you could take 5 minutes to fill out this quick survey before 8 August 2021.

Participation in this survey is entirely voluntary and anonymous. There are no foreseeable risks nor benefits to you associated with this project.

Thanks so much,

Sarah Sanbar

Sarabnas ^{I'm researching Wikipedia} _Questions? 16:07, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Wars and the Israel-Palestine Conflict...please fill out my survey?

Hello :) I am writing my MA dissertation on Wikipedia Wars and the Israel-Palestine conflict, and I noticed that you have contributed to those pages. My dissertation will look at the process of collaborative knowledge production on the Israel-Palestine conflict, and the effect it has on bias in the articles. This will involve understanding the profiles and motivations of editors, contention/controversy and dispute resolution in the talk pages, and bias in the final article.

For more information, you can check out my meta-wiki research page or my user page, where I will be posting my findings when I am done.

I would greatly appreciate if you could take 5 minutes to fill out this quick survey before 8 August 2021.

Participation in this survey is entirely voluntary and anonymous. There are no foreseeable risks nor benefits to you associated with this project.

Thanks so much,

Sarah Sanbar

Sarabnas ^{I'm researching Wikipedia} _Questions? 16:07, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Manganese, Minnesota

Hello, Jonesey! Requesting your keen skills in giving Manganese, Minnesota the once-over, once again. I'm at the point where the article is sourced as best as possible; I will be submitting it for FAC. As always, many, many thanks! DrGregMN (talk) 20:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

I inspected the changes since my most recent edit and was able to find just two opportunities for minor improvements. It looks great. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Colored infobox header

Template:Colored infobox header has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. —Anomalocaris (talk) 23:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Lorem ipsum

Trying to hail you at the lorem talk page. The "fix" may not be needed anymore. I think I may have caught every case causing the linter error, and removed it, using new template {{lorem ipsum span}} which works in inline context. So there may be nothing to fix, now. Check out latest messages there, and lmk. Template rev 1037154209‎ works for all test cases, I believe; and if there's no more linter errors, can we just declare victory and go home? Mathglot (talk) 23:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, it would be great if Template:Lorem ipsum/testcases did not include test cases guaranteed to cause lint errors, viz:

• ''{{Lorem ipsum|2}}''
• <small>{{Lorem ipsum|2}}</small>

—Anomalocaris (talk) 23:38, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

We're actively developing that template. Those test cases will be removed soon. They are there because the new template code was causing Linter errors that didn't exist before. I need to make sure that the new template doesn't cause Linter errors, or that we eliminate that sort of now-deprecated usage in the wild. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:43, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

July drive bling

		The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 8,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 13:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

lion

Hello, could you please format cite 20 for lion should it is consistent with the others? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 13:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks but all the other article give all the names. No et als. LittleJerry (talk) 00:48, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I replicated essentially what was already there. If you want to add the other authors, they are readily available if you follow the link, and you can see the pattern of how the parameters work in the cite template. Be my guest. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Adding citations to Fraser T Smith

I have a strong interest in singers, rappers and electronic music.

I am busy editing artists such as Mark Ronson, Paul Epworth, Ryan Tedder, Timbaland, Fred Again and Jimmy Napes.

I have turned my attention to Fraser T Smith but I cannot edit the article as it is protected.

I would like to add citations under Career.

FuBiuC (talk) 22:57, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are talking about. If you want to request an edit to a protected article, a suitable form will appear when you attempt to edit the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:46, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Some information about Lumines

Thanks for your edits in Lumines: Puzzle Fusion. I addressed some of your concerns however I do have some information that I wanted to clarify

• I can understand the confusion with the gameplay for Lumines. Throughout the manual, the interviews, and reviews, the 2x2 group of blocks that make the shape of a Square are never referred to as "Squares". Initially in the article, the 2x2 grouped blocks that the player controls are known as "Blocks" and once they formed a 2x2 of the same color on the playing field, then they make a single shaped square and referred to as "Colored Squares". some reviewers simplified or shortened the term to just "Squares" so I attempted to use the verbiage given.

• The game received many ports as you can see and some of them were made concurrently with the earlier sequels, so that explains why they use some of the features of the sequels (but not being actual sequels themselves). The problem is that there is a section dedicated to the initial release/ports and another section for sequels/spinoffs. How do I address the features introduced in the sequels such as Lumines II and Lumines Live! earlier in the article if they are in their respected Sequels and Spin-off section below?

The rest, I hope I addressed in my current edits.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 03:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I added some text to address the second problem. The article's prose should be good enough for FA now, unless I missed something. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:51, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Linter

I remember when html was fun and easy. Cheers, --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:08, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Timeline of Francis Drake's circumnavigation

Hello and thanks for your addressing the errant dashes on the Timeline of Francis Drake's circumnavigation. As the instigator of the errant dashes, I'd appreciate knowing what I did wrong and what you did to correct it so that I may not make this mistake in the future. Thank you for your attention to the article. Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 21:02, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

See MOS:DASH. When you have a range, like "pp. 50–60", Wikipedia's Manual of Style prescribes the use of an unspaced en dash instead of a simple hyphen (which looks like "pp. 50-60"). See Wikipedia:How to make dashes for information on how to create a dash when you are editing a page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Excellent! I will search for other errant dashes. It would have certainly been nice had I used the correct dash in the first place. Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 00:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

FAC Manganese, Minnesota

Hello, Jonesey95! I don't know if its appropriate to request a copy edit check during FAC review, but I have added some additional text to the article as result of the comments by the general reviewers and would appreciate your once-over. Best regards, DrGregMN (talk) 23:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I looked at the diff since my last edit, and there wasn't much modification of the prose. I found and tidied a few minor things. Let me know if the FAC reviewers have specific issues. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

No specific issues I am aware of, but I have added some addition text at the request of the reviewers (again); I'm sure you are watching the page. Hopefully that's all, please feel free to have a look at the additional text. Regards, DrGregMN (talk) 22:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Message to Jonesey95

Thank you for fixing the error on the page chaos and the calm, at first I thought no one even cared about disc 2 all missing tracks so i fixed them. but anyway thank you! How're you doing? HimuEdits (talk) 16:43, 16 August 2021 (UTC)HimuEdits

You're welcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:03, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit conflict

You conflicted me! 2600:100A:B127:4F1B:7C9A:B100:7BE4:5B88 (talk) 00:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if I caused you any trouble. When you save a template with errors in it, it's like leaving tasty cookies out for gnomes. Please use Preview and the syntax highlighter gadget to help avoid saving pages with errors in them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:55, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

infobox spacing

{{Template:Antiproton Decelerator}} is used in about ten articles. Articles that use it at the top seem to have a blank line. See ACE experiment for example. I don't what is causing this white space. I'm sure you will find it quickly. Thanks. MB 04:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

MB: is it better now? – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Yup. MB 12:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I removed multiple lines of white space and a comment from after the noinclude tag at the end of the template. Another option would have been to move the noinclude closing tag to the very end of the template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Feature requests/protocol suggestions

@Jonesey95 and WOSlinker: I decided to post here instead of y'alls talks to inform and/or get input from the delinting community.

To me, perhaps I'm wrong, lint is something that can be removed innocuously, without changing the rendered page, unless something is broken to begin with. However, delinting these colon-indents changes the page output, and nothing was "broken" prior, just undesired. So I would suggest the following improvements:

1. replacing page-changing-lint with the appropriate syntax, if possible,
2. inform the lint-producing editor more carefully/obviously of the alternatives (it's not obvious to me which error @ Special:LintErrors I've created),
3. since the WP:Linter software already knows which rules are broken, in order to categorize them, it should be relatively easy to list them in the edit summary.

Re #1: how do I properly indent these templates?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I often fix Linter errors by replacing invalid code with valid code, or by closing unclosed tags, but using colons for indenting has been discouraged for a long time, and it is not clear to me what the colons are intended to achieve. See MOS:INDENT for guidance, and MOS:INDENTGAP for recommended alternatives. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:05, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

TWA pages

I found a bunch of pages from WP:TWA that have Lint errors. They are Template editor protected, so your help will be appreciated. Watch out for some of the missing end/stripped tags that aren't actually errors because of being divided between two pages.

1. Wikipedia:TWA/2/End
2. Wikipedia:TWA/3/End
3. Wikipedia:TWA/Earth/History/1
4. Wikipedia:TWA/Earth/History/2
5. Wikipedia:TWA/Teahouse/Style
6. Wikipedia:TWA/Teahouse/1
7. Wikipedia:TWA/Teahouse/2
8. Wikipedia:TWA/Background/3
9. Wikipedia:TWA/Background/7
10. Wikipedia:TWA/Earth/4/Diff
11. Wikipedia:TWA/Earth/Talk/1
12. Wikipedia:TWA/MyTalk/1
13. Wikipedia:TWA/People

These pages get substed to the userspace of those who play TWA. So this has already spread a lot of errors that can't be easily fixed. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 04:55, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done. I haven't tried substing the pages to see if some combination of the pages results in errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! BTW you will be interested to know I have filed a BRFA to replace certain signatures causing high priority Lint errors. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 09:17, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

I found three more Template protected pages with Lint error.

1. Wikipedia:Article wizard/HowToDiscloseCOI
2. Wikipedia:Article wizard/CommonMistakes
3. Wikipedia:Article wizard/version1/basics

ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 08:02, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I think I've fixed those now. -- WOSlinker (talk) 10:21, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Here's some more templates giving stripped and missing end tag errors that can be taken off Linter reports using includeonly/noinclude -

1. Template:This is a redirect/collapse bottom
2. Template:Col-end
3. Template:Rfd top
4. Template:Graphic novel list/footer
5. Template:DYK bottom
6. Template:Col-begin

ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 06:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

There's just over 3500 pages where the 3 closing divs at the top of the page need moving to the end of the page. Something for a Bot to do. -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Good find, this will fix 21k errors in userspace. I already have much to do for my bot and this would need a separate BRFA. You can file a BOTREQ or I can do this task after a few weeks. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 09:31, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

It looks like WOSlinker fixed a few of the pages in this most recent list. Others look like false positives or more complex cases to me. If they cause actual errors when they are transcluded, then they need to be fixed. Otherwise, we may be able to ignore them. 99.5+% of the template-space pages that cause actual Linter errors when they are transcluded or substed were fixed long ago, mostly in 2018. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:40, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

While doing new page patrol, I came across User:Mokretar mo/TWA/Earth. This was created yesterday and has the problem with div tags that WOSlinker identified above. I don't know the subst of which page is responsible for this. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 09:38, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I've now updated Wikipedia:TWA/Background/3b and Wikipedia:TWA/Earth/1 which may help reduce this. -- WOSlinker (talk) 13:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

That appears to have worked. I walked through part 3 of TWA, and it created that same page in my user space with no Linter errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

The ability to edit Fraser T Smith

I placed an Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on Fraser T Smith's Talk page on 12 August 2021. There has been no response to this request. I have a strong interest in the song-writing writing genre and have edited artists such as Mark Ronson, Paul Epworth, Ryan Tedder, Timbaland, Fred Again and others. I am unable to edit Fraser T Smith as his article is currently protected and has been protected since July 2020. I am not an extended confirmed user nor an administrator but I believe I can contribute to the betterment of the article much like I have done with the artists I have listed above. Please give me edit rights. You can be assured that my contributions will only be for the benefit of Wikipedia. Thank you FuBiuC (talk) 04:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

To be able to edit that article, you need to get to at least 30 days and at least 500 edits while logged in as User:FuBiuC. That is a pretty low bar. Keep finding useful edits to make, and you'll be there soon. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:58, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

August 2021 GOCE blitz award

		The Minor Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 1,999 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE August 2021 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 01:15, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Template:Expand section/doc

Hello Jonesey.

Could you please take a look at this revert again? I noticed that edit and checked it out earlier and did not find anything wrong. Can you please explain what template is "broken" in this revision? --DB1729 (talk) 21:33, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

The change introduced a Linter (i.e. syntax) error. <span>...</span> tags can't wrap multiple lines. It is better to place the clarify template outside of any text, with a |reason= parameter. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh ok. Thanks for the explanation. --DB1729 (talk) 00:30, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Wolk v. Kodak Imaging Network, Inc.

Your edit of 13:24, 27 July 2020 of Wolk v. Kodak Imaging Network, Inc. installed a bunch of {{asterisk}} templates in {{rp}}. These {{Rp}} calls are now generating four lint errors each. {{rp}} was recently edited; I set the sandbox version to the old revision of production page, as edited by Matthiaspaul at 14:52, 31 August 2021, but this didn't seem to solve the problem. You are probably better at sorting this out than I am. Cheers! —Anomalocaris (talk) 23:55, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I put a note on the template's talk page. Putting asterisks anywhere is bound to break eventually, so the markup in that page should probably be changed to something that does not include wikicode or equivalents inside templates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:44, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for merger of Template:Infobox former subdivision

Template:Infobox former subdivision has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox settlement. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. PK2 (talk) 20:49, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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A Barnstar for you!

		Short Description Barnstar
		Thanks for joining the collaboration to add short descriptions to all good articles; through both your automated and non-automated additions, you've helped them live up to their moniker! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:14, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox royalty

What do you think about this?👇

must use this parameter 👇

Personal details

_Parsbod (talk) 17:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Your message makes no sense to me. I have explained how to accomplish what you want. Please do not start the same conversation in two different places. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Bot request

Thanks for placing it; hopefully someone will be able to delete the newsletters, but if not it's not the end of the world. Long ago, I screwed up (copy-pasted without the closing tag; that doesn't count the times I forgot the four tildes ); some kind soul fixed it, but I don't remember who (or how). All the best, Miniapolis 22:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

No worries. This is hardly even a problem, in the grand scheme of things. Just a little goof-up. As I said, I do feel partially responsible. I had the tab open for many days in my many-tabbed WP editing window, and I've been procrastinating. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Question you may not have the answer to

Hello J. I'm coming to you because I see that you were the last person to edit the {{Infobox Pirate}}. I am clearing out fields in the infobox person that have been deprecated over the years like residence. Tonight when I went to edit articles using the infobox pirate and hit the show preview button to find out what field needs to be removed I get the red warning message that the field that needs to be removed is "denomination" but, try as I might, I can find no such field empty or populated. Calico Jack (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) This is the first article that I found this problem at but it happens at other articles for pirates as well. I am wondering if you can find out what is going on. If not no worries I can always ask at the infobox person talk page but I thought I'd check with you first. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 04:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed. Happy to help. Any articles still in the category can be null-edited to remove the category. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

That was quick - and painless :-) Thanks for your time! MarnetteD|Talk 04:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 2020–21 Russian Women's Volleyball Super League

A tag has been placed on 2020–21 Russian Women's Volleyball Super League requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from the article namespace to a different namespace except the Category, Template, Wikipedia, Help, or Portal namespaces.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 11:34, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for your efforts

		The Citation Barnstar
		For your formatting and addition of references across a multitude of articles. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) 08:51, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

September 2021 Guild of Copy Editors newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors September 2021 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the September GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since June 2021.                  Current and upcoming events September Drive: Our current backlog-elimination drive is open until 23:59 on 30 September (UTC) and is open to all copy editors. Sign up today! Drive and Blitz reports June Blitz: From 20 to 26 June, 6 participating editors claimed 16 copy edits, focusing on requests and articles tagged in March and April. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. July Drive: Almost 575,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event. Of the 24 people who signed up, 18 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here. August Blitz: From 15 to 21 August, we copy edited articles tagged in April and May 2021 and requests. 9 participating editors completed 17 copy edits on the blitz. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Other news June election: Jonesey95 was chosen to continue as lead coordinator, assisted by Dhtwiki, Tenryuu, and Miniapolis. New maintenance template added to our project scope: After a short discussion in June, we added {{cleanup tense}} to the list of maintenance templates that adds articles to the Guild's copy editing backlog categories. This change added 198 articles, spread over 97 months of backlog, to our queue. We processed all of those articles except for those from the three or four most recent months during the July backlog elimination drive (Here's a link to a "tense" discussion during the drive). Progress report: As of 18:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 468 requests since 1 January and there were 60 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog of articles tagged for copy-editing stood at 433 (see monthly progress graph above). Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Dhtwiki, Tenryuu, and Miniapolis. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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GOCE September drive barnstars

I see that you've begun the barnstar page for the September drive. You'll be able to calculate the awards faster, since you can run the script. Something I would take into account, if I were to do it by my laborious by-hand method, is that I finished my last article ~1.5 hours past the finish time and that my completing three oldest articles pushed two editors off the leaderboard, who each had completed two (they are preserved in a hidden comment). I would consider giving them 5th place leaderboard barnstars, since that strictly was their placement at the finish. What do you think? Dhtwiki (talk) 02:17, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I can't run the script anymore. I do not have access to a Windows computer. As for the circumstance you describe, if I were applying that circumstance to myself, I would either forgo drive credit for that article, since the drive was over, or give myself partial credit for the work I did before the drive ended (and not put myself in the "oldest artices" count, since I wasn't done with the article). I had a month to edit three whole articles, after all. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:50, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Dhtwiki, I've got good news and bad news. The bad news is that another editor edited four old articles, pushing you off the leaderboard. The good news is that your thorny moral and ethical quandary is moot, so you can finally sleep peacefully again. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:10, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Where does WP:UNDO prohibit modifying the revision that is being reverted to?

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Reverting § Using undo for an edit that isn't a revert. CapnZapp (talk) 17:46, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Specific to this instance, sending a notification to a vandal is fine. Their edits should be "dinged". But when we aren't actually reverting someone, we should not use undo. Getting a "you have been reverted" message in these circumstances comes across as antagonistic. (Just clarifying that your reply over at Primefac wasn't precise - no vandal or actual revert was involved; let's discuss at the linked discussion.) CapnZapp (talk) 17:46, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

September drive bling

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE September 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Replacement of Template:Main in category space

Hi, regarding your revert of my edit, I'll be adding title namespace-detection to {{cat main}} sometime after I finish the run of replacing uses of {{main}} with {{cat main}} in the category namespace. With that future change in mind, your revert is unnecessary. Nevertheless, I totally understand why you made it; I'll just get it again on my second pass (my first regex misses cases that are just {{main}}). {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 22:34, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. It would make more sense to me if you added the namespace detection first. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, implemented. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 23:04, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Colonial Bank of New Zealand

You have 'removed linter errors' but how do I get the pictures and text to display like they used to? Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 22:52, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

The previous image display was chaotic, so I assume you do not want that. I have added {{multiple image}}, which does a reasonable job. Feel free to adjust it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Beauty's in the eye of the beholder. Thanks, why do computerists make it so Complicated and I can't involve text as well. Hope you regard new arrangement with favour. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 00:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

It looks lovely. Nice work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Pittsburgh Pirates roster/sandbox

Template:Pittsburgh Pirates roster/sandbox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Spanneraol (talk) 16:04, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Spanneraol: sandboxes are useful and typically cause no harm. Please withdraw your nomination or provide a valid reason for deletion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:52, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

There is no reason for a sandbox for a roster...no other roster has one and there is no practical use for it. it is unused and useless. Spanneraol (talk) 17:02, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Of course there is a practical use for it. If the roster template has a problem, and someone wants to troubleshoot the problem without breaking existing transclusions, they can modify the template sandbox, see the results in the testcases page, and preview the results in a page with a transclusion. That's literally why sandboxes exist. If the template is deleted, it will create a WP:REDNOT error at Template:Pittsburgh Pirates roster/testcases. See Wikipedia:Template sandbox and test cases for further details. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:21, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Podkoren 3

You can see on official FIS Alpine Ski start lists / results from Kranjska Gora (past and present), that World Cup course is officially called Podkoren 3. See [11], [12] and [13]. Sportomanokin (talk) 07:19, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what this is about. Are you contacting the right person? If this is about a specific article, please link to it and let me know why I should be interested in it. I edit dozens of articles every day, typically for small errors, without paying attention to what the article is about. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:58, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

You incorrectly deleted Podkoren 3 (World Cup ski slope) and changed it to Podkoren (false) on 2021–22 FIS Alpine Ski World Cup article. Sportomanokin (talk) 15:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the link. It looks like I reverted your good edit, which was followed by a bunch of edits that broke syntax in various places, without seeing that your edit was valid. My apologies. Sorry you had to redo that link. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:51, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

No problem. Sportomanokin (talk) 10:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Cite patent template

Thanks for adding the code to the Cite patent template to make the Category:Pages using cite patent with unknown parameters[14] page. It was most useful.

Skullcinema (talk) 09:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm glad that you found it useful. I was surprised to find that it didn't already have that parameter check. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Re: List of Graduates of the United States Military Academy Class of 1829

I am not using op.cit. without any further qualification; I am always writing it thus: Heitman 1903, op.cit., vol. 1, p. 625. There is no way it can be confused, even of citations are added in between. Please do not add tags routinely before actually reading the citations. I am actually using an abbreviated title. Creuzbourg (talk) 09:49, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

I tagged that article with op cit because, as you can see when you follow the links in the template to WP:OPCIT, the use of that arcane terminology is discouraged for multiple reasons. We have better, clearer ways of doing the same thing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi Jonesey, I'm sorry for this and this; I'm not sure why but my OS seems to randomly paste stuff without my knowledge. Thanks for fixing it; please note it's not malicious and I don't have a virus. The archiving bot seems to be asleep; if it stays asleep a few days I'll raise in on REQ Talk. I just wanted to help clear the August section. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 03:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I made at least four worse mistakes today. No worries at all. AGF and all that. We are here to take care of each other. Thanks for checking on the bot. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:51, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, the bot has woken up again. I do keep an occasional eye on REQ activity, though I'm not as active on WP as I used to be. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 07:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Unused templates with /rater-data.js

At User:Jonesey95/unused_templates there are 97 templates of type /rater-data.js. The edit summary at Template:WikiProject Africa/rater-data.js says it is for User:Kephir/gadgets/rater which User:Evad37/rater says was abandoned. Can't see in the doc of the rater if it uses that or not though. Gonnym (talk) 11:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

This discussion from 2019 says that they were still in use then. If in 2021 that is no longer the case, they might still be in use by Evad37's tool. You could ask at the tools' respective talk pages. If they are in use, I can remove them from my filtered table. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:25, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Linter error

I was reviewing the Jenna Hutchins article an article I created a couple of years ago, and saw that you'd made a number of edits. I didn't know what "Linter error" meant so had to look it up. I looked at your edit total summary and saw that you had just hit a total of 215,000 edits, a milestone of sorts, I expect. It's gone now, as you've hit 215,001. Thanks for your considerable efforts. Activist (talk) 17:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. Most of my edits have been considerably more minor than that edit; I typically go around to articles or templates and fix very minor problems, many of which do not even cause visible errors (yet) in the rendered article. I'm just a gnome with a very small broom and dustpan. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Name

Your name actually reminds me of Jonesy from Fortnite. 114.202.207.70 (talk) 10:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Participation in a signpost interview

Hi Jonesey95, hope that you're well. I was wondering if you'd be able to participate in a Signpost interview in your capacity as a contributor to WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers? I am enthusiastic about these interviews because they help remind other Wikipedians about the passionate and diverse group of volunteers that edit Wikipedia, and into the many discussions and editors that inhabit our space, nooks and crannies. If you had time to even answer a few questions here (User:Tom (LT)/sandbox/WikiProject actors and filmmakers interview draft) I'd be very grateful :). Tom (LT) (talk) 22:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

I do not consider myself a contributor to that project. It looks like I commented on the project's talk page after I came across some problem edits while fixing an unrelated problem. That's about it. I'm just gnoming over here. Happy Friday! – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

No worries! You too, Tom (LT) (talk) 19:22, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Unused Templates

Jonesey for your subpage you should remove the Adminstats, Afc, and WikiProject Templates that are named WikiProject per the fact their deletion will cause disruption and thus them being unused is not an overall problem. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Please be more specific. The Adminstats templates are already not there. I have just filtered out templates starting with "AfC " (case-sensitive). What do you mean by "WikiProject Templates"? I think Template:WikiProject status/Draft, for example, should not be excluded from the report. Template:WikiProject Ariana Grande Invitation should be labeled with {{subst only}}, not excluded from the report. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that templates numbered 248 and 249 should be removed from the list. Those templates are left unused and kept for historical record. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding Category:Wikipedia transclusionless templates to a page (in the noinclude section, if it has one) should automatically remove it from the next version of the bot-generated report, if I understand the report's configuration page correctly. I do not have the appetite to filter pages from my report one at a time when there is a way to do it in an automated manner. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Fix Linter errors?

Hi Jonesey95. I've been fixing multiple pages like Special:Diff/1051155787 where you replaced a {{col end}} with a {{certification Table Bottom}}. The certification Table Bottom is not a table end template, it s a footnote template. The correct fix is to use {{table end}}. Happy editing. --Muhandes (talk) 07:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Interesting. I was following logic — nearly all sets of top/bottom and start/end templates work the same way — and the clear documentation at {{Certification Table Top}}. You might want to address that issue at the templates' talk page. Using {{table end}} (or just {{end}}) makes sense as a straight replacement, however, so I'll do that at your request. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Thank you for fixing the "university rankings" infobox! Cambridge51 (talk) 14:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Yum! Now I just need some cream. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

October 2021 GOCE blitz award

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 2,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE October 2021 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 01:16, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Military person infobox

Wasn't there a recent discussion about using this for people that had a rank but weren't actually military. I can't seem to find it or remember if there was any resolution. I just noticed Evan McMullin where CIA service (which is significant) got removed from the infobox there because the CIA isn't really mil. The mil parameters fit better in my opinion than officeholder (which I think is supposed to be for elected people (politicians) only. Another case where just changing the heading would be handy. MB 03:31, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I updated the documentation at {{Infobox military person}} to explain better how to use it for other uniformed service. There was a discussion here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:13, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I was unaware of |embed_title=. I put the child infobox back at Evan McMullin with a new header. Will see if it still gets reverted. MB 04:43, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Boo!

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liter error

At Bad Housewife, you fixed a "linter" error by adding |module= which isn't supported. I put the info into |native_name= instead of |caption= which probably causes the same linter error???? If so, we need a better solution here. MB 22:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I just noticed you did add module and it was reverted... MB 22:27, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

It looks like putting it in |native_name= avoids the Linter error. That doesn't work in all infoboxen; it depends whether they are wrapped in span tags, which I hadn't checked for. Nice work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:47, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

You mean nice luck :) MB 02:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	For continuing to fix my dumb mistakes. Izno (talk) 05:26, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I would have almost nothing to do around here without your help! No other editors make mistakes of any kind. /s – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:52, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry, the majority of my mistakes are inspired by my mission, so if you should ever find yourself in the scenario again that you have nothing to do, there's some more work. Izno (talk) 17:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

TemplateStyles is complete Greek to me. I'm glad there is someone who understands it and is working on a way to make WP more elegant. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

You actually don't need to know anything about TemplateStyles if you don't want to (though I am happy to learn you). For example, most of the remaining effort for cleaning up infoboxes is just working on the 4000 mainspace pages using a bare {| class="infobox" such that they use a proper template. This search is an example. Izno (talk) 12:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

List of programs broadcast by Discovery Kids (Latin American TV channel)

Other users added shows which had left the channel's schedule and added unscourced shows such as True and the Rainbow Kingdom, so can you add warning to other users please? 85.255.236.101 (talk) 18:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

The article is not protected. You can add any tags that you see as appropriate. I just fixed a couple of formatting errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

...for your work copy editing. You might consider a further look at the Martyn Lloyd-Jones article, which uses single quote mark (') for inline quotes, when the usual is the double ("). A motivation to do so might be that any eventual case of a quote from ML-J where he quotes another would require single quotes nested inside double (which the status quo thwarts, for the confusion it would cause). Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:246:C700:558:CDBA:A8C3:3D28:729F (talk) 00:14, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Family tree of Russian monarchs

Your edit on Family tree of Russian monarchs [15] was extremely problematic due to the mass content removal, including the intro, as well as wiping out the entire Romanov line (!). I can appreciate the edit was likely automated and I'm sure accidental, but please take a look at the pages you edit after hitting save. The article was significantly damaged for days before I saw it. Ribbet32 (talk) 23:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Oof! Sorry about that. That was a bad copy/paste error. I did preview, but I didn't notice that an entire section had gone missing. My apologies. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

England football team

In the Honours section, within the 'Major' honours section, a 3rd place finish (semi finals) needs to be added for European Championship 1996. 2A00:23C4:D917:5901:90C5:4A9A:73EF:34E7 (talk) 00:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. If you can't edit an article directly, use the normal edit request form that appears when you attempt to do so. Provide a link to a reliable source to support the statement that you would like to see added to the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:34, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Template:Infobox animanga/Footer

Looks like Template:Infobox animanga/Footer is now causing a whole bunch of stripped tag link errors. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I tried to fix a Linter error, but it made things worse and quickly reverted, so there should no longer be any errors caused by my edits. Please link to a page where there is an error. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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Question from new user about your request edit.

Dear Sir,

I am a relatively new user so please forgive me if I have mis-posted or otherwise violated some policy I am not aware of. If you wish me to undo , please let me know.

I noticed the word "followed" in the Rittenhouse article, as you did, and it seemed out of place to me too. Sort of like saying a lion is "following" a gazelle.

I had found several sources that note that Mr. Rittenhouse was "chased" by Mr. Rosenbaum. After this I saw your request for a change, and added my sources to this request. I hope doing so was okay.

As part of this change I noticed the box that stated: This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

(1) I was wondering if you know how to do this? I was also wondering under what circumstances this should be done? For example, should only you, as the original requestor do this, or could I or someone else?

(2) The sources I found mentioning Mr. Rosenbaum chasing Mr. Rittenhouse were from a variety of sources running the political spectrum from left (NYT, CNN) to right (Fox, DailyCaller), as well as unknown (Richmond, Chicago local sources). I have since noticed that what seems to be all politically conservative sources seem to have been banned (or termed non-reliable). Would you know more about how this decision was made? Or when? It seems very difficult to have an encyclopedia when only one side is permitted?

(3) On a similar request for change on the Rittenhouse page regarding Mr. Rittenhouse being at the car dealership, the editor told to the requestor to "form a consensus". How does one "form a consensus"? I note that no one has objected to this change, at least so far.

Many Thanks, ICRMOWUN Icrmowun (talk) 22:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Consensus for changes to articles, if they are disputed, is developed at the article's talk page. See WP:CONSENSUS for more information. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

unhelpful interference

re [16]. If you want to be the Right Judge by deciding in a minor (actually closed) dispute, you better start researching the issue. Now, your 1st es "This seems to be what is wanted here. If you need help, ..." you show lack of interest. It is also quite, eh, risky to make such a claim for others. If you wanted to "solve" the issue (that was not an issue btw), you could and should have known what the intention was. For starters, instead of making claims for others, "this is what is wanted", you could have asked. Then again, you repeating "breaking" indicates that you have chosen a position beforehand -- which is unadvisable for a Right Judge, and complicates your reasonability. Anyway, this action is tacktless (as in: not sensitive wrt the environgment), and skewed in quality. Anyway, it is not what was wanted, and nothing was broken. -DePiep (talk) 21:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

You broke the template documentation multiple times. Intentionally making breaking changes to a live template is disruptive, especially after you have been asked not to do so. I fixed the template a couple of different ways. You broke it again. It looks like you have finally marked it with a speedy deletion G8 template, which seems like it would be a reasonable next step if {{P-phrases}} had already been deleted. I'll be happy to let an admin decide whether the speedy template is valid. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:34, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

No I did not break. A missing link is not a broken link. You postulating removing a link is "disruptive" is incorrect, and introducing a battle attitude. Anyway, you could have known what the background was, had you asked.

Just curious: how did you find this sleeping issue, and what triggered you to engage this way? -DePiep (talk) 22:13, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I will let your edit history speak for itself. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, the old "it was you who made me do it"! -DePiep (talk) 07:17, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Virgil Abloh

On 28 November 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Virgil Abloh, which you created. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. TJMSmith (talk) 23:51, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Template:Rulers of the Ancient Near East

Hi Jonesey95. How can I make sure that content does not flow to right at Template:Rulers of the Ancient Near East? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 20:56, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, isn't it possible to have a slightly smaller font size to better fit a table? Per MOS:FONTSIZE: "large tables may require a decreased font size in order to fit on screen", and "In no case should the resulting font size of any text drop below 85% of the page's default font size".... I'm only using 90%. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 21:06, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. If the table is wider than your screen, you can change your browser's zoom level, get a bigger monitor, or change your screen's resolution (if you have a fancy monitor). Making the letters smaller is contrary to MOS:SMALLFONT, for accessibility reasons, so you can't do that. The font size in navboxes is already 88%, so layering 90% on top of that makes the font render smaller than 85%. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 21:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

November drive bling

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		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE November 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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Odd edit

Could you explain why this edit fixes a Linter error? It seems to introduce an entirely unnecessary space. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:32, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

When |subspecies= was blank, as it was in one article I found in my long list of Linter errors, the template emitted four ' in a row, which is invalid markup and typically displays an unwanted bold ' . An extra space in wikitext is typically merged into the spaces around it, but is my edit causing undesirable spaces somewhere? I have other ways of fixing this problem. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah, right; I guess I hadn't tested the template with a blank value for |subspecies= – which is really an error. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:41, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I've looked at various cases, and the extra space doesn't cause any problems, as one would expect. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:Don't Judge Just Respect

Hello, Jonesey95,

Thank you for tagging this unused template for speedy deletion. It would be helpful, in the future, if when you tag a page for deletion, you post a notification on the talk page of the page creator. This is done easily with Twinkle once you set up your Preferences to "Notify page creator" and you check all of the speedy criteria CSD boxes. Then, Twinkle posts these notices for you which is convenient.

It's less urgent in this specific case, as this editor just came and edited one day in May and hasn't returned, but for other editors who create a lot of pages, it's important that they know that some of their page creations ended up being deleted. It's a way of saying, "Please do not make another page like this one!" Hopefully, that message might sink in. Thank you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I see now that most of these old templates that you tagged for deletion are by editors who are not currently active. My request was really more concerned with active editors, especially new editors, who might benefit from a notice that they created a page in the wrong namespace. Thanks again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:24, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I know I should, but I couldn't figure out a Twinkly way to do it. I was unable to find "db-error" as a choice in Twinkle. I looked and looked. Is it there? There is G6 listed, but only as a move-related tag. I did check to see if the editors appeared to be active. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I use Twinkle for TFD and AFD, and it notifies editors for me. I do like to let them know, even the ones who haven't edited in a while. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:TCMDb title

Hi! The template isn't working for me. The base URL is correct (example https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/91864/), but it tries to go to https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/91864/enwp, but the domains now have names in them, like https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/91864/summer-love. Is there a way to work around this? -- Zanimum (talk) 01:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, that web site, as we say in the technical web site business, sucks. I can barely get pages to load, and when it does, it takes a long time. I would post a note on Template talk:TCMDb title to see if anyone is interested in trying to fix the template or in corresponding with the TCM website maintainers. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Songs of the season

		Holiday cheer
		Here is a snowman a gift a boar's head and something blue for your listening pleasure.Enjoy and have a wonderful 2022 J. MarnetteD|Talk 15:26, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! And also to you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:35, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Please don't remove things from my talk page

Regardless of if the account posting there turns out to be a sockpuppet. Silverseren^C 18:37, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

I'll try to remember to make an exception for you, but it is my understanding that removing postings, at least from this sock, is standard procedure. You can check their contributions to see that nearly all of their contributions have been reverted as part of the SPI cleanup. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:18, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

I just like to keep my talk page organized and especially since I already replied to the person, I want to keep that noted there. Despite them being a sockpuppet, I might still check out the article they brought up, since their request was actually sound and not something promotional or about non-notable nonsense. Still not sure why they wanted it though, since the article is rather good already. Silverseren^C 19:32, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Linter newby

I saw this linter cleanup. Is there a way I can check for, and fix, (my) Lint errors easily? So far, looks like it requires a tough initiating (to me reads like "tag was not closed somewhere, could be a subtemplate; good luck searching"). -DePiep (talk) 06:53, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

@DePiep:, I'm still a newbie too, but installed lintHint a while back, and use it once in a while. See Wikipedia:Linter. You can see part of my learning curve here; perhaps it will shorten yours. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 10:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

The LintHint script is the most useful tool. There are links to Help pages at the upper right corner of each of the Linter error pages, for example from the missing end tag page, which is a good place to start. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanx. Saved in usespace. -DePiep (talk) 05:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

December blitz bling

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 2,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE December 2021 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Martyrdom of Abo of Tbilisi

Hello Jonesey95, I'm requesting a new lead for Martyrdom of Abo of Tbilisi. I'm not very good at typing leads, but you are. I've seen your copy editing skills, that's why I'm requesting your help...if you don't mind, thank you. Jerm (talk) 01:59, 22 December 2021 (UTC)