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Talk:Medjugorje

Why did you re-factor my comment? It looks like you’ve re-written it on me, which is a really bad idea. Kindly stop being so presumptuous.
And if you just changing the indentation (without any explanation, or as a separate edit) I suggest you read WP:INDENTATION; as I was replying to you, my way was correct. Moonraker12 (talk) 16:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Addison Street Congregational Church

Hi. I noticed that you added some changes to Addison Street Congregational Church. This church was on Addison Street in Nottingham, but some of the changes you have added seem to relate to a church in Hucknall Torkard. If you agree, could you revert the changes or let me know if you are happy for me to do this? Thanks. Andrewrabbott (talk) 18:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, you're right - two corrugated iron chapels both in the same year, the Congregationalists must have been booming. Gone. Left the British Architect ref. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:26, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Great. Thanks. Andrewrabbott (talk) 19:40, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Tried your mayor question

Don't know how useful the answer is but I put one up there. Elinruby (talk) 23:53, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

BLPs

Thanks - happy new year to you, too! Though I'm stuck at home nursing the flu today, alas. Thanks for the alert; I'll tidy those up soon as I have a moment today. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:56, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually, last night I listened to one of my Christmas presents: Aslak Hetta, by Armas Launis. Quite an impressive work; I was pleasantly surprised. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:18, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

It does. How are you on your Madetoja? If you like him I think you'll like Launis - they're drinking from the same well. Same as Aare Merikanto, too, though he came along a bit later. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 01:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

If you're interested in a little Merikanto, here are a couple of scenes from Juha: Dance scene from Act II, and final scene. The whole opera has been recorded - my father has an LP released by MHS, way back when, and I'm aware of a CD release that can be had from Amazon for $24 used, it seems - I've never looked into it because I have access to the LP. Incidentally, here's a bonus for you: "En saa ovea auki" ("I can't open the gate") from Kokkonen's The Last Temptations. (I used to have a disc of excerpts from Finnish operas issued by Ondine, or Finlandia, as a sampler. Foolishly I loaned it to someone and never got it back, but that only gives me an excuse to search the plum bits out complete. :-) ) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 01:58, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Dembélé

Hi, I've cleaned up the Dembélé dismabiguation page to bring up to standard - one particularly confusing element was why you specified some people were women? GiantSnowman 17:40, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Good point, since not needed for dab. I suppose because some of the first names weren't clear, but then they wouldn't be clear for the men either. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:32, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Henry Bolckow

My comment about Mayor of Leicester did not mean that a person who became mayor was NN, just that his holding that office did not make him notable. Bolckow is notable for other reasons - as a very important ironmaster and as an MP. A 19th-century mayor who may have had a role more like a leader of the council. Certainly there have been councillors who had achieved notable things and are hence notable, but the run-of-the-mill local councillor is generally not notable unless for other reasons. This is the WP consensus see WP:POLITICIAN. List articles can be useful, but commonly as a means of identifying articles that are needed - the occasional redlink in a list of blue-linked people. We also encourage them rather than categories for lists of performers; lists of award winners; and otehr cases where a category is considered to be a case of overcategorisation. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:29, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

If we had an article List of mayors of Middlesborough Bolckow's article could be linked from it. However accordingly to WP:POLITICIAN local councillors are NN, unless they are notable for other reasons. As Bolckow's predecessor and successor were probably NN, a succession box would not be useful. This applies as much to mayors (and even leaders of the council) as to ordinary councillors. The post of mayor usually rotates annually, with the result that the list would be a very long one, with very few bluelinks on it. Middlesborough is a 19th century town, but the list might well have 100-150 names on it. One for Leicester would probably have 500-700, depending on how far back the city records go. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I think a paragraph such as you propose on my talk page would be better in an article on Middlesborough Council. Tghe artile on the mayor might have an introductory passage about the concept of elected mayors and that the elected mayor took over some of the powers of Foo council. This would provide a link back to what came earlier. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Kind note: the spelling of Middlesbrough. Francis Hannaway (talk) 19:40, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: revert

Add more sources specially in section "Change in English spelling" and re-add! You'll easily get citations in Google News, Google Books etc--Tito Dutta (talk) 00:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

That is already a poorly written article. I have replied at article's talk!--Tito Dutta (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Write es per WP:FIES. --Tito Dutta (talk) 00:57, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Looking back at my comments, some of them were rude. Sorry about that. Nothing to do with you. — kwami (talk) 02:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Religion in Vietnam

Various sources including the CIA Factbook state that up to 81% of Vietnamese are atheists and irreligious. Actually, even the article in vi.wiki also say this. We should focus more about this in the article by expanding the details about the non-believers as well as fixing the pie chart. ༆ (talk) 04:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, happy new Western Year. You're right, that's struck me about that article before. Also struck by the complete lack of Confucian philosophy. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot to say, happy new year too. So doomsday is just a myth. ༆ (talk) 04:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Kirishitan

Your merge tag had been deleted from this, I have replaced it. Moonraker (talk) 09:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Bắc thuộc period

I was intrigued by your article about the Bắc thuộc period. It is an important historical period and I was wondering if you could put up a map showing Vietnam, or the area discussed in the article. Thank you for writing about such an interesting topic.

Kindest regards

(MrNiceGuy1113 (talk) 09:39, 8 January 2013 (UTC))

Hi, thanks. Unfortunately the only maps I know would mean scanning and breaking copyright. I have asked for help here. Who knows what that may bring. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Agree, let's use chữ nho since it represents a view that narrows down to Vietnamese and not Chinese characters as a whole. ༆ (talk) 09:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Ruiz

Thanks for your note; while I had actually left the accent off intentionally, I realize now it makes more sense to keep it, so I've edited the request. Cheers. Delaywaves • talk 03:09, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Chữ Hán-Chữ Nho-Kanji

"Chữ Hán" in Japaese language is called Kanji, used in modern Japanese writing (beside Hiragana and Katakana), and "Chữ Nho" also origins from Chữ Hán but it was used in ancient Vietnamese language (no longer used in modern Vietnamese). Happy New Year (also Lunar New Year in Vietnam by the end of this month). Regards--Cheers! (talk) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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Idiazábal

When long will an admin take to moved Idiazábal to Idiazabal? --Vivaelcelta {discussion  · contributions} 16:33, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Ramon Rivero (Performance animator)

Sorry, but I had to remove the source you added to this article, it was merely a reprinted collection of Wikipedia articles. --j⚛e decker^talk 03:21, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I should have spotted that. In that case an AfD may be in order. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:24, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Hebrew gospel

Just having a quick look at it, my gut feeling is that an AfD might be the way to go. StAnselm (talk) 06:29, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Try Afd, and merge may be a 50% option. Unlikely to survive an Afd. Will be either merge or go. If you are to try the Afd, that explanation you gave n talk may be too involved for those not familiar with the topic. Need a simpler 1-2-3-4 layout of why that page is a duplicate of the same ideas in this one. Your biggest challenge is that people are used o tweets now, nothing more. If you can't tweet it, will no get it. History2007 (talk) 23:09, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I need more details

Sorry but if I knew the history of this I've forgotten it. I can't find anything relevant from RetProf that's been deleted. Dougweller (talk) 06:32, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Taking up time

I am sorry, I will have to stop watching the Hebrew gospel page - it is eating time. I think you need to Afd it, and the result will be most likely be merge. If you Afd, let me know, else I will not have time to debate IPs there any more. History2007 (talk) 16:21, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

for saving Zdenko Vinski from drive by CSD tagging, amongst others. Cheers. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:18, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Re:Oton Vinski

Thank you so much for your understanding and assistance. Cheers, --Eversman (talk) 22:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Rashōmon (1911 film)

Hey Iuo, I noticed you added this item to the list at Rashomon, but the ja link you provided was broken. I'm really curious about this, because it appears to be a 20th century work of fiction with the gate as its title that predates Akutagawa's story! Any chance you could tell me where you heard of it? Have you seen it? Lately I'm trying to collect pre-1945 Japanese films. :D elvenscout742 (talk) 13:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately it is also a redlink at ja.wp, 尾上松之助 on Google Books doesn't come up with any film for 明治 44 年 (1911 年〉. I wonder if it's just a mistake? ..if there is a 1911 film it'd be of the Noh play, nothing to do with Akutagawa's 1915 story. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:37, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Now that everyone is awake...

and somewhat active, ou can probably get a merge decision on the gospel page... But if you wait they will all lose focus... Just need to start a section called Merge discussion. That is all. History2007 (talk) 23:43, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

My concern

I'm probably giving you the impression that I am opposed to a merge or deletion of Ret Prof.'s article, but that is not true. My concern is that the discussion is trending toward what is probably the right decision (deletion) but for all the wrong reasons. An article on a hypothetical Hebrew gospel should have nothing to do with the article on the greek Gospel of the Hebrews. The right discussion to be having is a proposal to merge into the umbrella article that you wrote on the Hebrew Gospel hypothesis. Therefore, I propose that we end this misdirected discussion now and move the merge tags to that article. Ignocrates (talk) 17:07, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

No, sorry. The intention/target is clear from (a) lead, (b) page history, (c) duplicate content. And it was a totally independent editor who added the tag. If there is any credible academic content it won't be lost. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok, have it your way. If you try to delete this content without going through an AfD I will stop you. Ignocrates (talk) 02:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

This belongs on Talk:Gospel of the Hebrews page. If there is any credible academic non-OR non-POV non-duplicate content in the article you can helpfully start the process by indicating it. 02:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

No, I am directing this comment to you specifically. Please sign your posts. Ignocrates (talk) 02:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Replied on User talk:Ignocrates. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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Re: The comment at Talk:Zamboni#Survey, what is wrong with the template? Apteva (talk) 04:29, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Too fussy. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

The template itself, as in too wordy, or too hard to use, or what? Apteva (talk) 04:38, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

It was a throwaway comment, I've never yet seen anyone follow the nannyish instructions I guess. It's fine. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh. I was just wondering if it needed fixing somehow. Apteva (talk) 04:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Nah. It looks worse when you're first after the template has been placed. If anything needs fixing it isn't clear on WP:RM where the template even comes from. But there are more important problem-generating things on WP:RM facing page before that. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:52, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

164.64.0.19

Could you check the rest of 164.64.0.19 (talk · contribs)'s edits? I've reverted one set. Dougweller (talk) 17:27, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

RfC/U

I started a discussion on Doug's talk page about an RfC/U for Ret.Prof. Would you be willing to act as a second in proposing the RfC? In any case, I think your participation is important. Please respond there to keep the thread in one place. Thanks. Ignocrates (talk) 19:45, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you kind sir

Thanks for the compliment. All my life I've been a writer, it's my one talent. I spend the day at the keyboard, risking carpal tunnel syndrome, tapping away; for light relief I edit Wikipedia. It's wonderful, nobody has to know what they're talking about.PiCo (talk) 07:09, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. :) In ictu oculi (talk) 14:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Markseasigh

Markseasigh (talk · contribs) sent me a nasty billet doux a little while ago. Doesn't seem to want to listen. Dougweller (talk) 13:05, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I already had a couple of the recent edits pop up on watchlist and reverted. Oh well. Part of the project. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

RM

Hi, In ictu oculi. Thank you for you interests and efforts. The page title of Tanburi Cemil Bey was changed without discussion (RM). Takabeg (talk) 03:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

You have been mentioned

I've mentioned you in this thread on Kauffner's talk page, so I thought it would be polite to let you know about it. There's no need for you to comment there if you don't want to - I just thought it would be better to tell you so that you are not kept in the dark. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius on tour ^{♪ talk ♪} 03:21, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Merge

Hi, In ictu oculi. Can you help me ? I think Historic states represented in Turkish presidential seal has to be merged to Presidential Seal of Turkey. How can I propose it ? Takabeg (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Raphael Cohen

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Talk:Vǎmbel

Hi, could you tell me what I have to do close in favor or against the discussion about the remaning of the article ?--Vagrand (talk) 01:25, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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Re:Aidan of Lindisfarne move

I hadn't intended to have the move listed on the talk page, otherwise I would have made it clearer. Would you agree to having Saint Aidan redirect to the article, rather than a full rename? -- Hazhk ^{Talk to me} 14:42, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I think it can be shown that Aidan of Lindisfarne is the desirded target for most people searching "Saint Aidan". Would you support the redirect on the talk page? -- Hazhk ^{Talk to me} 16:09, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Purana

Sure, I'll do my best. Some Muslim apologists claim that the Purana "predicts" Muhammad. There is a section which refers to him and various biblical characters - as well as Queen Victoria and other historical figures. It generally assumed to have been written in the 19th century, as the "predictions" mysteriously stop at that date. Paul B (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Pham Duy Ton

Since he died in 1924, any image of him is in the public domain since Vietnamese laws only protect copyrights for 75 years if the author is unknown, so you can upload images of him here. You can also put in a word for the Pham Duy nomination. DHN (talk) 06:38, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you've already uploaded it here. DHN (talk) 18:57, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Hồ Dynasty

(Personal attack removed)

Hi, sorry to see that. It is tiring/disappointing/disruptive. I can't do anything, I am not an admin, I can only do what you do. I recall the last time you mentioned to User talk:Salvio giuliano, he was responsive. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you!

Thank you very much for your kind words and interest in my articles. I must say Armenia/Turkey articles are always a controversy and at times overwhelming. But with the genuine support of Wikipedians such as yourself, it always encourages me to go back to my sandbox and think of a new article to write about :) Thank you once again! Proudbolsahye (talk) 10:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Re:SPAs...

It seems almost certain that this person is JoshuSasori evading his block. CC informed TParis about it and the one who posted on RM2 for Tales of Moonlight and Rain has been blocked. But there seems to be an endless supply of them. The first three of them were blocked for a week after I posted them on SPI, but that doesn't seem to have hindered them at all. Additionally, one of them[1] made a disruptive edit to the actual article and was blocked after I reverted it an told TParis, but I was then reverted by another one.[2] What do you think we can do about this? elvenscout742 (talk) 00:58, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi E. I cannot answer on your Talk, takes too long to load. Sorry, I am not experienced in this area. I have seen IP blocks on specific troubled articles. I have no idea about range blocks on IPs. Simultaneous to IP disruption there will probably be new named socks as well. (appreciate your edits, and agree with many of your approaches, as it seems some of your WP:JAPAN colleagues do too, but can I pass on some advice History2007 and Cuchullain have both given me recently: "keep it concise" and "don't reply to everything"). Also it's good to get around in other subjects, articlespace/Talk/RMs/AfDs/ which aren't our own area sometimes :) Thanks for message, good luck. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:17, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, my subject is classical Japanese literature. I first encountered JoshuSasori by trying to branch out into cinema... Anyway, I had already replied on Talk:The Great Mirror (if there is any evidence that this is JS just trying to undermine me, it's the ridiculous argument posted there). But I just now dashed all but the important part and posted a note that closers should just ignore him because of the obvious SPA/block-evasion issue. elvenscout742 (talk) 01:54, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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Tiền River

I added some photos to the page but am not confident with the translation of descriptions. Could you maybe add some information to the image captions?--Traveler100 (talk) 18:18, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Not sure what I did to deserve the kitten, but thank you! --MelanieN (talk) 01:07, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Re:DVD covers

Sound advice, and I intend to follow it. (Actually, when CC gave me the advice earlier, I already intend to stop reverting Tales of Moonlight and Rain at least in the meantime, as one more would have been a 3RR-violation.)

Anyway, regarding the DVD covers: it's an interesting point you raise, but I have very little experience uploading images to Wikipedia. If I recall correctly, one of my uploads from 2005 or so got deleted on the grounds of being a 2D photograph of a NEAR-2D stone carving from ancient Scandinavia of dubious copyright status. (I admit I found it on Google, but my interpretation was that since the image itself obviously is in the public domain, then some guy's photograph must also be.) My point being that I am terrified of copyright issues on Wikipedia, and the technicalities of adding images to articles (unless I am translating an article from scratch from ja.wiki, and the Japanese article already had an established rationale for all the images) are confusing to me. So I really amn't sure about how to implement your advice. Additionally, regarding AfD and RM: I'll think about it. (^_~) elvenscout742 (talk) 04:02, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Believe me I understand, I have found commons uploads almost impenetrable. However en.wp upload is easier. I just added a graphic to Højskolesangbogen, if that works I'm happy to help on DVD covers. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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No problem, I am not au fait with the images upload. Can you just give me a heads up please - I can't imagine then that there is ever a case where a CD cover could not be better replaced by a live concert photo, so there's no point me wasting anyone's time with any tagging/questioning as above. Would it be correct to assume "CD covers can never be used for BLP articles" is a correct statement? Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, free-use of images can seem a bit of a minefield, but to sum up very briefly, non-free images (such as CD covers or posters) generally cannot be used to illustrate articles about living persons. Non-free images such as CD covers can usually be used in articles about the corresponding CD though. In cases like this, we generally have to wait for someone to upload a photo they have taken of the person in public, such as at a concert or other event. --DAJF (talk) 04:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that is very clear. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

A page you might help move

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Thanks my Bot friend, DAJF already explained above. Happy botting. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey, regarding this...

I don't wanna open up another RM on this like I did at Ugetsu. This is actually the thread that got JS blocked, and it was probably the most obvious instance of his hounding me, since I was trying to move the page back to his original title. If you RMed it again to The Love Suicides at Sonezaki (1978 film) like you indicated would be preferable, I would support. In fact, I don't think anyone would have a problem with either of us just performing the move ourselves. But I really don't wanna perform a unilateral move on that page given my nasty history there. elvenscout742 (talk) 06:33, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure, though I'll leave it till Ugetsu is cleaned away. In the meantime, is this DVD cover the most representative? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I think so.[3] elvenscout742 (talk) 06:59, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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Therapeutae of Ascepius page as distinct from therapeutae page

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LAZYgunsBRISKY

Glad to see someone created that! Kudos!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, out of my area, but you saw the Lucy BLP AfD? just a very deserving case of other-editors-work rescue. Thanks for thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:18, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Pictures to illustrate the life of the Hong Bang period

Currently, I believe that we have no pictures about the Hong Bang period in Wiki. I would prefer to have some for people to image and illustrate how society and lifestyle look like back then.

Is it no problem for us to download to Wiki the pictures of stuff from a game and a video. Because I've founded various cool descriptive pictures such as these:

• http://vtc.vn/394-283058/phong-su-kham-pha/bi-an-chu-viet-thoi-hung-vuong.htm
• http://www.tinhte.vn/threads/1190733/
• http://vanhoanguoiviet.blogspot.com/2010/10/trang-phuc-thoi-hung-vuong.html
• http://d4.violet.vn/uploads/blogs/447/co_cau_to_chuc_nha_nuoc_thoi_hung_vuong_500.jpg
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BADNnHboTK4, at 0:20, 2:20
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAS4YsXPsys, at 0:23, 0:39
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0C5m01O7YI, at 16:19, 17:13 to 18:03

By clicking "Print Screen" and edit it in "Paint". Wish we can use all these or at least some of them. ༆ (talk) 00:24, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

"Suguwara"??

Hey IIO. O-sewa ni natteimasu.

I noticed in your quotation from Mulhern the family-name is misspelled as "Suguwara".[4] I don't want to fix it myself because it's a quotation from a source I haven't read, but if Mulhern actually spells it that way could you add a (sic), and if not correct it?

Cheers!

elvenscout742 (talk) 08:37, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Names and titles

I really don't care that much about the issue. But I did get a chuckle when I read that guideline says: "but Saint Peter rather than the less recognizable Pope Peter." But what do I care? History2007 (talk) 09:13, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Let him be

Wikipedia allows a user to use more than 1 account. Also, if we don't use more than 1 account to support each other, we won't get banned. Furthermore, admin User:EyeSerene knew about my other account but he/she didn't ban me because I don't violate multiple account rule. Cheer. ༆ (talk) 20:40, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

And as for Institute of Hán-Nôm Studies. The article in vi.wiki doesn't use hyphen so I guess we shouldn't too in en.wiki. ༆ (talk) 20:47, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern about vi.wiki's matters. I wish you good luck in a new Lunar Year. Sincerely. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (talk) 06:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Strange happenings at AfD

At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armenian Congress of Eastern Armenians you recently asked "What is going on?" I've just opened an investigation into some obvious sock puppetry [5], but I don't think it stops there. Ever notice how many other IP editors on these recent Armenia/Azerbaijan AfDs have a habit of signing off with "Best"? For example: 188.142.246.17 (talk · contribs) says "Best" here [6]. His IP address Geolocates to Hungary, as does the mysterious obvious sock puppet "Ricardo Shaxvelyan" here [7]. There's probably a lot more to this can of worms. Noticed anything else? I'd be interested to hear your opinion. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 18:30, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Folantin, thanks for your message. I see you started an SPI, and includes "Meat-puppetry" which may apply, but in any case AfDs like these are only closed by experienced AfD admins who can easily spot canvassing, meatpuppetry, SPAs, nationalist sentiment etc; so it's unlikely that a genuinely notable topic will be deleted. But when an article stays it's important for it to be sourced. Right now as far as sourcing goes there is an urgent need for some substance to the N-K 1918-1920 article, even if it is only Italian language. And Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia/Anti-Armenian sentiment in Azerbaijan should probably be merged. Unfortunately I know next to zero about these areas/topics, I only can spot a loaded AfD. I think you should consult admin Sandstein. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:33, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there are rival gangs of Armenian and Azerbaijani editors who are using Wikipedia as nothing more than a venue to continue the Nagorno-Karabakh War of 1988-94. Two ArbComs haven't stopped this. All of Armenian and Azeri history going back to the Stone Age is seen through this perspective and Wikipedia's coverage suffers as a result. It is completely ahistorical. For instance, the Armenian National Council which resulted from the Armenian National Congress (1917) (AKA Congress of Eastern Armenians) received warm congratulations from the corresponding Azerbaijani National Council and in mid-1918 there were still discussions about Armenia and Azerbaijan forming a single, federal state. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 10:52, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Re:

I am online, but having spent the last 10 minutes or so trying to figure out how to do that I came to the conclusion that you'd be safer asking someone with more technical skills than me... sorry... elvenscout742 (talk) 04:24, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Elaine Pagels

Hi. Recently on Roza Bal you claimed that Elaine Pagels was not a mainstream scholar. I'm curious what you meant by this statement. She's about as mainstream as one can get, so perhaps you meant to say something else entirely or you are using the term "mainstream" in a way that differs from common usage. Viriditas (talk) 08:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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Perform a move request?

Hello IIO.

I wonder if I can I ask you to perform a requested move? I am the original proposer, and therefore I shouldn't do it myself, according to the instructions for closing RMs. There is currently a huge backlog, so I don't expect it to be done in a long time if I don't ask anyone.

There has not been much discussion, but the two that have bothered to comment have supported the move. You can see for yourself at Talk:2008–09 Speed Skating World Cup/100 m Men.

If you perform the move, I will relieve you of the cleanup work required, when you notify me.

Thanks

HandsomeFella (talk) 15:31, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Max Müller & the dot

I took a quick look and I think you hit gold dust with Müller translating it into German in 1894. Also the "b" to "y" change by duplication of a dot was very interesting. I am gradually beginning to figure his out. But unless people click on the alphabet link that point is not obvious at first reading of how close it can be. But pretty impressive work... Pretty impressive. History2007 (talk) 15:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

There should be more of this kind of thing

Regarding your recent pleasant exchange, have a cookie on me. Francis Hannaway (talk) 19:36, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Undid revision 538563332 by Gråbergs Gråa Sång no, it's very relevant (Roza Bal)

Ok, maybe I get it now. "Yuzasaf" sounds like Jesus and means it´s him, but the "B" spelling says it´s not, and that is why spelling is relevant here. Am I close to the mark? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Sort of, Volk and Klatt document two changes in the Arabic name - first Budasaf to Yudasaf, which happened anyway as B and Y are so close, then Yudasaf to Yuzasaf, as D and Z are also close, which basically Ghulam Ahmad made himself. However the change wasn't too unreasonable since the Brethren of Purity version of the Siddhartha-Yuzasaf legend had also changed Yudasaf to Yuzasaf, it's just that Ghulam Ahmad either didn't know that source, or wasn't interested since his objective was to prove local Persian histories of the 16th Century tomb of Yuzasaf with a much earlier Arab source. These names are pretty fluid. The Georgian/Greek Iosaphat name also has half a dozen spellings. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Understanding is dawning! Thanks. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Precious again

article creation
Thank you for creating articles on so many red links everybody else seems to find too obscure, sometimes before I even ask, and for adding my personal memories to Huelgas Ensemble. For more memories see my user page, with new design, - you are an awesome Wikipedian (23 September 2009)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 22nd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style. I miss the photographer, again, and put "Letting go of the past" on top of my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:06, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

AfD

It is clear now that I am not as acquainted as I should be with deletion policy. There is a pressing matter, however. An editor who is a frequent associate of Msoamu has created an article which is designed solely to insult and denigrate certain religious beliefs. Because there is no way it could be edited or altered to ever be neutral (or even notable), I didn't see any resort other than AfD. The article is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunni Sufis and Salafi Jihadism. Your comments on how I have carried out the process would be appreciated. Deletion policy, along with policies regarding photographs of article subjects, are both things which I need to learn more about. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi!Would you like to share your views here[8].Msoamu (talk) 15:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I just perused Roza Bal and the talk page is a bit intimidating. Before I barge in there, do I need a heads up regarding the nature of the discussion up until now?

As for Barlaam and Josaphat then the sources are all European language ones and as far as I can tell, those are properly represented. The talk page doesn't have much recent; are you asking me to help pull sources from Arabic Wikipedia? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:38, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Upon closer inspection, Barlam and Josephat don't appear to have an article on Arabic Wikipedia...is the issue that this story might be given weight in Orientalist sources which it was not given in the Muslim world proper? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:39, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I think at this point is would be beneficial to move my inquiries regarding the articles to the respective talk pages. In the meantime, I would like to second Msoamu's request for you to have a look at the above ANI. It seems that, after a few instances of really blatant personal attacks against me by Msoamu and an associate, they are now refusing to participate in the discussion. I would like it addressed and the input of a third party who wasn't involved would help. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:56, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

SuzanneOlsson

The close clearly states "article edits" i.e. talk pages are OK. If they become disruptive then we can re-raise at ANI and look to spread the topic ban further. GiantSnowman 11:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JoshuSasori for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. elvenscout742 (talk) 01:41, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Obviously you aren't under investigation yourself. Just I mentioned your name in my comment and I figured I should let you know. If you want to post a comment I'm sure it would be welcome! elvenscout742 (talk) 01:41, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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Do you know this? It might be a cosy image for your user page. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 14:38, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

LittleBenW ANI thread

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Hey IIO, I brought the concerns you expressed about LBW's behaviour to ANI. Feel free to participate in the discussion. elvenscout742 (talk) 04:43, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Christina Pluhar

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A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	Whether it gains acceptance or not, your solution to the problem at the Jigai AFD was both diplomatic and elegant. Smart move; your idea certainly gets my !vote. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Sufi-Salafi relations

Due to recent developments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunni Sufis and Salafi Jihadism, I'd like to see if concerned editors could further comment. Doesn't entail you changing your vote, I just want to be sure as some of us feel wishy washy about this whole thing. MezzoMezzo (talk) 11:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Coimbra Academic Association: Rugby Union

See Talk:Coimbra Academic Association#Rugby Union -- PBS (talk) 13:05, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Erfurt Enchiridion

I thought of you, seeing in Erfurt Enchiridion the red link for Veni redemptor gentium. In German there's a redirect to Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland, it could also go to Ambrosian hymns - or have an article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Peshitta Bible

Title: Peshitta Bible: Sampurna Malayala Vivarthanam Author: Mathew Uppani Publisher: Deepika Book House, Kottayam, 1997

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Vietnam naming conventions

Where there any changes to the WP:Naming conventions (Vietnamese) you wanted to propose beyond adding tags? Perhaps we could make a list and put them up for an RFC, or resolve them some other way. Kauffner (talk) 04:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

replied on Talk page. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

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With regards to this edit please see WP:SPEAKENGLISH -- PBS (talk) 11:52, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I am aware of Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

In this posting you wrote: "Actually personal user talk is allowed to use other languages". FYI that is not what the guidance says. It says "Use English: No matter to whom you address a comment, or where" (my emphasis) It goes on to say "If the use of another language is unavoidable" -- which it could be argued was true in this case -- "try to also provide a translation of the comments", which is what you did not at first do. -- PBS (talk) 15:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Uma nota

Surpreende-me o facto de um outro utilizador defender um administrador da Wikipedia, isso só demonstra a falta de caracter do administrador que injustamente me bloqueou mesmo que eu tenha contribuído durante mais de 7/8 anos na Wikipedia. Todos erramos, é certo, mas eu nunca tive nenhuma intenção nefasta nesta comunidade, enquanto ele sim. Ele teve uma finalidade: a de me afectar, de me prejudicar, mesmo sabendo que eu sou um utilizador com vários anos de contribuições, que nunca gerou problemas e sempre teve como prioridade a de melhorar a Wikipedia. Apesar disso eu nunca fui reconhecido pela comunidade, apenas uma vez: autopatrolled rights. Eu nunca efectuei um pedido de reconhecimento, o que faço agora é um pedido para que não me afectem, porque eu não quero afectar a Wikipedia. Qualquer resposta que seja feita na minha página. Obrigado. Tibullus ^{call me} 15:13, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the words, at least someone recognizes what I have been doing here for years on end. Firstly I wish to state here that I don't want to request for a page renaming, because when I tried to rename some associated pages on February 2011, that admin started a whole procedure that ended up deleting the renamed pages. I didn't create the pages, but I'm sure the people who did felt disappointed and sad because ONE user thought they shouldn't be there. Of course the admin lobby at Wikipedia supported him, and chose to ignore the ones who created and worked on the pages. Now I find myself in this situation. I didn't know what I had done wrong, and I get blocked, with NO PREVIOUS WARNING whatsoever. I just get a message from him, expecting me to know everything about the "cut and paste" thing from scratch. I do not want to have anything to do with that admin, I will try and avoid any sort of contact or involvement with him from now on. Secondly, thank you for offering help, but as I just stated, I will not be needind it. Maybe one day someone will request for a page rename, but that someone won't be me. Thirdly I am only using English so this can be clear to that particular user, I am not using English because he "warned" you (as far as I'm concerned, he could well block you after his "warnings"). But are you a vernacular Portuguese speaker? Or did you learn it? Obrigado. Tibullus ^{call me} 21:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I hope I won't be a victim of abuse of power again. You've mentioned the admin requested you to talk in English on my talk page. It clearly indicates he is stalking me, maybe to wait for the next moment when he "feels" the need to employ a block again. If that happens, I won't be as lenient and I will report him. Thank you for acting as a mediator and taking these issues off my chest. May I ask where you're from and how Fado captivated you? Again, many thanks. Tibullus ^{call me} 05:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

It is nice to meet you, you seem to be a cultured person, very informed. If you ever need help on a topic concerning Portugal or cultures belonging to Portuguese-speaking nations, don't hesitate to contact. I'd like to help you and maybe I could access information that you might not have access to. See you around, mistura. Haha. Tibullus ^{call me} 06:04, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Escalation

Hey man. Things have been escalated by Msoamu, Shabiha and Hassanfarooqi during the last six hours or so. I am now clearly being accused of belonging to a "terrorist organization," in addition to still constantly being ascribed to ideologies (namely Salafism and Wahhabism) which I have expressly said I don't agree with and fear personal/professional repercussions should my IP address ever be tied to such accusations. The timing of all these accusations really leads me to believe that this is not only coordinated among them, but specifically in reaction to my personal concerns. I would really like something done about this as soon as possible, whatever it is. I don't want to feel that I am putting myself at risk simply by logging in to Wikipedia. Some of the info is at WP:ANI. As a disclosure, I am also posting this appeal to other respected editors who were involved - I feel this is a time-sensitive issue and want to increase the chances of someone intervening as soon as possible. MezzoMezzo (talk) 17:49, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I commented. Your note to me was valid. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Yui

I find your abuse of RM process to be outrageous. Kauffner (talk) 00:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

I see that Cuchullain has already pointed out to you, again, WP:RM guidelines. This makes 4 editors telling you what you have already heard on previous occasions about WP:GAMING and what is plainly stated on WP:RM. If you wish this instruction to be removed from WP:RM the place to propose it is on the talk page WT:RM. However while it remains in WP:RM editors are expected to observe it. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:31, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

It's a pity that Tibetan karot boy gets caught in the crossfire of this issue. He probably doesn't even know about it. Kauffner (talk) 13:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

ANI notice (mentions you, not against you)

You're mentioned incidentally at WP:ANI#LittleBenW and diacritics-related topic ban violation yet again, and NPA violation, but may be interested in the underlying facts, since they involve a personal attack against you (since self-reverted by LittleBenW, but posted on a "prominent" admin talk page, so probably seen my many while it was there). — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 12:00, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

AfD on Abdulići and a number of others

I've opened an AfD discussion, here. As it was prompted by something you said, I thought you may wish to comment. I've already notified WP:GEOG and WP:BiH. regards, Moonraker12 (talk) 17:10, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

AfD or merge or what?

Hey man, take a look at Talk:Sunni fatwas on Shias, in addition to the page itself. I'm not sure if this is AfD material or not. I was hoping you could give some clarification, either here or on that talk page - I want to do this right. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:55, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I've stumbled upon another AfD quandary for which I require some advice. Could you take a look at my addition at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chalilakath Kunhahammed Haji? MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

TY

I had noticed your username (sig) around recently (never in any negative light) and I finally got around to looking it up. Low and behold, "in the blink of an eye", I learned something new once more from Wikipedia. TY. — Ched :  ?  05:21, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Thailand

I think I might go live in Thailand - I have a friend runs an English language school on the beach. What you think? PiCo (talk) 11:16, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, and perhaps I might even run into Mikhail Pletnev on the sand, who knows. PiCo (talk) 11:53, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Let me know if you go and see it

A play in NY about a young rocker ... Guess before you click... I did say he was near there once... History2007 (talk) 15:54, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

{{cn}} at MT Carney

Hi IIO, I've removed your {{cn}} referring to MT Carney's public name. I don't care to weigh in on the RM, but the fact that she styles her name thus is clear from a look at her website, mtcarney.com. Whether it's the best title for her Wikipedia article is a separate question, of course, but I don't think you can really dispute that she uses that form. --BDD (talk) 17:53, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Spelling: Theatre District, New York

The move discussion at Talk:Theater District, New York was closed without alerting editors at the relevant Wikiprojects to join in. It has long been the consensus at WP:THEATRE and WP:MUSICALS to spell the word "theatre", in part because theatre professionals prefer this spelling throughout the English-speaking world, and because this spelling is not wrong anywhere, while "theater" is wrong in many places,such as the UK. BTW, I am an American from New York City. Note that nearly all of the Broadway theatres are called "X Theatre". I have re-opened the discussion on the talk page to see if we can get a wider consensus on this issue. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:22, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

David Marshall Lang

As I was cleaning up some refs, I came across this. It seems that Lang also thought so, in the 1950s in fact. I added it to the Unknown years page, but I do not want to look at Roza Bal, you could add it there if you like, but it confirms what you found in Beskow. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 12:49, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adding it there. I just came across Lang by chance and you certainly know a hundred times more about that topic than I do. As for the ointment, it has turpentine in it... fun ointment I guess. I think it is a really tangential item, but those involved in the subject feel strongly about it. Yet deciphering medieval chemistry is next to impossible. By the way, on the highly scholarly front, I had never heard of Kathleen McGowan until recently, but apparently Kathleen and Suzanne have had some discussions in which Kathleen has been told she may have it all wrong. But anyway that is a different story. Have fun... History2007 (talk) 10:23, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Out of curiosity I did a few searches to see if the Apostolorum unguentum could also be used as a remedy for post-scientific thought, but in any case, it seems certain that there is no basis for assuming that there was a "single formula" for it at all, as the Dunglison reference clearly indicates. Sources such as Pharmacopée universelle 1717 by Nicolas Lemery or Prosodia chirurgica 1732 by Charles Corbett just say it has 12 ingredients without being specific on the composition. And given the general lack of information exchange and lack of standards, there is no certainty that these names refer to the same item. Some mid-eastern items show on Goggle-scholar if you want to look there, but by and large seems to be a name for a medicine of 12 ingredients which may dramatically vary from culture to culture, and time to time. History2007 (talk) 14:39, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Maria Ortega move

Hello In ictu oculi. Can you link to the WP:BLP and talk page arguments you mentioned at WP:RM/TR? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:29, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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Intro

Though I enjoy making the gnome corrections, do remember per WP:DATE to go with (birthdate at/in birthplace – deathdate at/in deathplace), when creating articles. :) GoodDay (talk) 00:01, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

RM query

• See User talk:Anthony Appleyard#RM. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:45, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Crown Jewels

I hope you do not think me malicious for my persistence with regards to the jewels. I merely want to prevent misinformation, and that’s all. I do not merely pull facts out of the air. I think Jirka is well-intentioned, but for a Czech speaker, the whole concept of "Bohemian" that isn’t Czech doesn’t even exist. I believe that’s where the trouble lies. Either way, I would like to thank you for smoothing out the process. RGloucester (talk) 13:33, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Not a problem, I can see both sides of this. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:57, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Vietnamese articles

You don't need to add interwiki links to articles anymore as Wikidata is no handling them. It is easy to add an entry in Wikidata. Goto the Wikidata main page, click "Create a new item" on the left sidebar, then click "check link". If you are creating a new English article, then add the Vietnamese article first. The program will check if it already has been added to Wikidata.

You should start using the {{lang-vi}} and {{lang}} templates. Use lang-vi first as it puts a wikilink to Vietnamese language. Afterwords, use the lang template. Main reason is screen readers for the blind. See an example here. Bgwhite (talk) 06:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Olive branch

Thank you for your recent post to my talk page; I am here to say I appreciate the gesture.
I acknowledge that we probably disagree on a range of issues, but I would not like that to stand between us as human beings. I admit I have been frustrated with some of your comments, and that some of my responses to you have been pretty testy: But I apologize if they have been hurtful or upsetting; that was not my intention. Also, (on reflection) I may not have been sufficiently aware of any cultural differences we might have regarding the threshold between abruptness and rudeness, and I apologize for the times when I have crossed that threshold.
If I can explain the background for some of my opinions (if it helps at all) I find myself increasingly frustrated by the divergence between what our guidelines say on language, style, format, etc and what seem to be growing trends in those things in practice. I don’t actually have a strong preference either way; if it was resolved that we use an idiosyncratic WP style to encompass international preferences, and the guidelines were changed to reflect that, I could live with it. But until they change. I feel it is bad form (underhand, even) to foist such a style on the project; if we are to have guidelines, I feel it is all our interests to actually follow them. And I am disturbed by the bad feeling that the resultant disagreements have created (and to continue to create) but hav eno idea what to do about them.
Anyway, thank you again, and (for my part) my apologies once again. Moonraker12 (talk) 13:17, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Don't get me started on Strauß/ss! :) Moonraker12 (talk) 13:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hmm: I think the solution to the problem is a little bigger than tweaking one guideline; but it's a discussion for another day, I feel. Regards. Moonraker12 (talk) 14:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

???????

i wan't link on my wiki page, why delete ? that wrong about wiki rule? i think that not, just your edit style?,

im had because from your delate,

im again creative a link? why my time spend? becuase your stenger delate,

not happy, re send my link, my time, mt effort — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.149.150.20 (talk) 14:33, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh Wikipedia is Free for all !!! --Drali1954 (talk) 07:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Nôm characters

I am sorry I cannot help you, since I do not have any basic knowledge about Nôm characters. To be frankly, according to some information I have, it is extremely difficult to learn Nôm characters, even harder to learn Hán characters, and somebody claims that people have to master the Hán before learning the Nôm (ironically, isn't it ?).

I believe you may ask Meotrangden (talk · contribs) on vi.wikipedia. His knowledge about many different languages may helps. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (thảo luận) 13:22, ngày 13 tháng 3 năm 2013 (UTC)

Any text in Chữ Nôm, unless we're talking about a few individual glyphs or very short passages, has to encompass chữ Nho (Hán). Truyện Kiều, or as a matter of fact any of the truyện Nôm (Phan Trần, Nhị độ mai, Thạch Sanh...) although written in Nôm, also includes a large number of chữ Nho since Vietnamese has incorporated a substantial of Sino-derived vocabulary. If we're speaking purely about linguistics/syntax then you're correct it is a Nôm text. If we consider the morphemic elements then it is Hán-Nôm. Taking the 1st lục-bát couplet that start the tale as an example, you will see:

𤾓 (Nôm: trăm) 𢆥 (Nôm: năm) 𥪞 (Nôm: trong) 𡎝 (Hán: quỹ, read as Nôm: cõi) 𠊛 (Nôm: người) 些 (Hán: ta, but used for Nôm phonemic value)

𡦂 (Nôm: chữ) 才 (Hán: tài) 𡦂 (Nôm: chữ) 命 (Hán: mệnh) 窖 (Hán: khiếu w/ Nôm phonemic value: khéo) 罗 (Hán: la, w/ Nôm phonemic value: là) 恄 (Nôm: ghét) 饒 (Hán: nhiêu w/ Nôm phonemic value: nhau)

So even this Nôm text, chữ Nho cannot be excluded as morphemes. However if we read the entire couplet, syntactically it is purely Vietnamese (ie Nôm) because non-Vietnamese speakers, even if they are extremely well-versed in classical Chinese cannot understand it at all! Not a single iota! I hope all of this makes sense w/o adding to the confusion. If you want a simplistic answer, then yes, Truyện Kiều is a Nôm text. Duyet-pho (talk) 06:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

AFD comments on Churches.

You've stated that the two churches in question have been covered in books. When I have googled them I see one book only, would you mind providing me the books you are talking about so I can review the sources? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 05:07, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

There are 8 in the AfD cluster. I added book sources to 7 of them. 1 is too new, 1988 In ictu oculi (talk) 05:11, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

with love

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Tracy Ackerman

Thanks, but I do not know what a tech move is. When I tried to move the page, I was prevented from doing so.Hoops gza (talk) 16:28, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

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Hello

First of all, I wonder do you have any Vietnamese blood in you? Like 1 Viet parent or grandparent or something? Why do you have such an immense interest in Vietnam? Have you been to Vietnam? If not then, one day if you ever come to Vietnam in the summer at Ho Chi Minh city (I currently live in a different country than Vietnam but I do come back every summer to visit), I will make sure to invite you to my house and show you around. Anyway I remember there was a big argument about whether or not Vietnamese words need accent. I can show you a great example how missing an accent can lead to great confusing. You can initiate the discussion again and I hope all the names should have the accents on. That's the sign with respect to write someone name correctly in their native language. Most Vietnamese would agree with me.

OK, let say the word "ma" with no accent. With accents, it can be 5 different words that have very distinct meanings. ma, má, mạ, mả, mà and mã, this one doesn't mean anything if it stands alone. So if there is no accent then how can you ever separate all those words into different articles? The no accent word is useful when it became a disambiguation page then from there you can look for the correct word with correspond accent. Regard!Pendragon5 (talk) 22:10, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I meant 5 different words that have very distinct meanings but wrote 3 by accident.Pendragon5 (talk) 04:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome for your Barnstar

Welcome for the Barnstar.Best wishes to you.

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Bahraini music

Hey man. No, the drama hasn't subsided unfortunately - some people never give up. Regardless, I will do what I can. I have been to Bahrain many times and have friends there. It's a small island and while I don't know it's music scene now, it isn't difficult to learn. There are so few Bahrainis that they really do either know each other or have ways of knowing each other. I will check there, in addition to Arabic Wikipedia if need be and get back to those concerned on the talk page for that dude. MezzoMezzo (talk) 20:19, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I will seriously give you a $50 Amazon gift certificate if you start archiving your talk page. I mean, come on. MezzoMezzo (talk) 09:21, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Fundillo Loco

This is the Fundillo Loco press and for "Torito", couldn't find in the archive of the local newspaper beacuse the song was the official song of theCarnival of Barranquilla.

Luisnh1210

Jan z Jani

For You information, I have forwarded issue of spelling to Dispute resolution notice board. Best regards, camdan (talk) 17:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Seoul Subway

User:Frysun has changed the title of the Seoul Metropolitan Subway article once again to call it a "railway", ignoring previous consensus and this should be reverted back. We're in the process of gaining consensus again (for which it already existed) and it would be helpful if you can join the discussion. Thank you. Camins (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Your archives

I think you need to correct your archive box: [[/Archive 2012|2013]] should be [[/Archive 2013|2013]]; and I guess [[/Archive 2012|2014]] should be [[/Archive 2014|2014]] (red link). Sorry for bothering you. -- -- -- 21:08, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

 Not done. Archive 2013 still links to Archive 2012. -- -- -- 20:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

AfD

Hey man, I'm pretty sure I found a clear candidate for AfD while Wikisurfing this morning. I stumbled upon YaNabi.com and cut out a lot of material which has been unsourced for about four years. Other stuff was sourced with the actual website itself though improperly, and then there was a citation for the BBC because the site's comments were mentioned in one sentence; the citation was for a blanket copy paste from the BBC article. The only remaining source is Alexa, which I didn't remove because I'm not sure if it's RS or not.

I noticed the tags said that the article's creator may be close to the subject, so I checked the history and found it was created by User:Shabiha, whom you might remember from the previous "drama." I'm not sure how to handle this, but it seems like a clear issue of WP:ADVERT; I ran a search and all I could find on this site were quotes from Wordpress blogs. Given that the author also uploaded the picture from one of the websites youth meetings, I have the strong feeling that this is just an attempt at promoting the site; it seems to have no notability, and if you check the talk page you'll see that others were bringing that up about three years ago. Should I go ahead with it, or could you go ahead and nominate it, or is there another way to handle this? MezzoMezzo (talk) 14:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, how are you doing? Well it has two Google Book refs which I added, it would seem likely that it must have therefore got a couple of mentions in the Arabic press? Is the link dead? Then is there any story about where it moved/why it closed. Given the systematic bias problems of en.wp towards Arabic/Islamic subjects, I would have said a move upwards to a wider umbrella title Islamic online forums would have been more useful to en.wp than simply delete. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:56, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

If you prefer I raise it with User:Shabiha as more neutral I'd do that. But would you mind doing an Arabic ref search first, it' be easier for you. Btw, re those 3 Bahraini musicians, can you take a guess at the correct Arabic spelling and we can at least (bracket) their names. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

There's nothing to be found in Arabic; YaNabi is an English website but it's users all 90% Pakistani and 10% British; it's based off an Islamic movement specific to Pakistani culture. The movement itself, Barelvi, has a rather short article on Arabic Wikipedia but I can guarantee that Arabs have never heard of the site. Re: the Bahrainis, I need to bust out the Arabic keyboard. I'm going to go to 7-11 and then come back in a few minutes and see what I can find. MezzoMezzo (talk) 15:11, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have realised it was Urdu. yanabi آن لائن does turn up a few things, but I can't be bothered to check them. I'll drop a message to User:Shabiha. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright, perhaps there is something in another language; the two sources you provided now also seem to merely mention the site in passing. It establishes that the site exists, though I would argue that it still doesn't establish notability if that's all we can find. MezzoMezzo (talk) 16:27, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Arab music

Regarding the red links, Salem el'Allan appears to be Salem Al-Allan who doesn't appear to be much reported on in English aside from this. Al-'Amiri might refer to Abdul Aziz al-Amiri but he was Sudani, not Bahraini. I couldn't find anything on Ahmad Bou Tabanja, which is a really common name - every third male person in Bahrain is named Ahmed. For al-Amiri by the way, there isn't much other than Youtube videos and some stuff on forums. Hs name is also really, really common so if you search in English I don't think you'll ever find what you need. At least in the case of the first and third person, though, they seem to be real and were famous at least in the region. What else did you need to know about them specifically? MezzoMezzo (talk) 16:27, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Basically was just attempting to interwiki Poul Rovsing Olsen redlinks to ar.wp, but evidently the three artists don't have ar.wp entries. I will tidy up based on what you've said. Thanks In ictu oculi (talk) 16:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Youtie

Hi In ictu oculi, I just saw that you've created an article about Louise Youtie! That's been on my to-do list for a while. I wonder, are you a papyrologist?  davidiad { t } 11:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I have been trying to figure In ictu out for long... to no avail. He knows so many things, about so many subjects, in so much detail, it is impossible to box him into a single category. Pretty interesting fellow really... History2007 (talk) 16:03, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Yep, same here. I even tried to ask him a question on email, but got no reply. In any case, I figured out he knows so much about so many things I know nothing about, that I just gave up figuring it out a while ago already... All the stuff that goes through here, whenever I can understand even a little fraction of it, is still pretty interesting though. I wish him health and happiness, so he can continue doing his stuff here. warshy^talk 16:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

On top of that, he is not arrogant about it... History2007 (talk) 16:59, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi IIO. Thanks for the message. I replied to you on my page, if it is OK. Regards, warshy^talk 23:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Koroška Statistical Region

I had an edit conflict at Talk:Koroška Statistical Region. Maybe you like to read my comment and oppose voting there. JelgavaLV (talk) 14:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Nazarenes

I regret that I am not in a position to "brush up" on my French in any real sense. Other than a few obscenities, which I really hope aren't included in the articles in question, and some food-related terms, which I can't imagine being relevant to the articles in question, I actually know little if any. Are there any particular problems you've seen with them? If yes, please feel free to indicate them, either on my talk page or through e-mail, if you prefer, and I can at least try to find what I can in the recent English language sources, including those on the subscription databanks I have available. John Carter (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Remember James Hervey Johnson?

You wrote it, and it's being rewritten by someone who seems to have good intentions but poor wiki skills. Drmies (talk) 16:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Kalki Bhagavan

Thanks. Sure, I'm happy to go along with a 'Keep', however my reasoning would be that a good part of VK/KB's notability is due to his coverage by the Indian press/media which, it has to be said, is usually of a critical nature. His other main appearances seem to be in tabloid/gossip columns as a faddish 'guru' to various Bollywood stars. To your point, I would suggest that most main Indian news outlets meet relevant BLP criteria (in particular, both The Hindu and The Statesman are heavyweight publications that began publishing over 100 years ago). If any action had been taken regarding any particular article, they would have published apologies/retractions etc. There is no indication in their archives of any such action. MatthewTStone (talk) 06:52, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding edits marked BLPPRIMARY and BLPREMOVE

Thank you for coming in as a 3rd editor into this article Kalki Bhagavan. Regarding the edit on death of 2 inmates. I had marked this edit [[9]] as WP:BLPPRIMARY WP:BLPREMOVE and removed it. Noticed you undid my edit

The issues with the original entry are: The editor MathewTStone failed to include key information that police record mention that the 2 people had died due to traffic accident. The editor MatheTStone only mention that "In 2010, two inmates of Kalki Bhagavan's ashram were found dead in suspicious circumstances, and local villagers staged an agitation" . Based on the editor MathewTStone track record, it seems the intent was only to attack and cause harm to the subject of this article. Also, "Asian Tribune" is an online newspaper and only aggregated this story. There are no primary source for this article.

This WP entry is a serious allegation and not be included without clear source and edit. Request removal to meet WP:BLP Thanks for your attention Prodigyhk (talk) 11:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

When I restored Matthew's edit I added the link to the newspaper article, and expressly added the section clarifying a motorcycle accident. I do not see a BLP issue with that source, story, or the way it is now in the text. However I will add the Talk page of this BLP to my watchlist and any further comments on the Talk page there I will see. Best wishes. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:45, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

The article is not found in the primary source "Deccan Chronicle" nor found in any other Indian newspaper. It is most probably a case of wrong reporting by "Asian Tribune"(an online newspaper not even based in Asia :-D ). With your entry on WP, we will be giving credibility to a wrong story. Request removal. If need to include, request include authentic valid sources. Thanks Prodigyhk (talk) 12:12, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay let's address this on Talk page. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello "clauso oculo" :-P have updated talk page and controversy section. Do check. cheers Prodigyhk (talk) 06:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

That would mean [one] "eye closed", the plural is clausis oculis. But I'll look. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

what is this with your love for Latin ? Seem you could be a catholic priest :)

Have response on the article's talk page. When you have time drop in and put in your comments Prodigyhk (talk) 03:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Tamil BLPs

@In: My Telugu is very very basic. Just useful to find directions when lost :) I can help you with Tamil translation if that is something you like help on. Prodigyhk (talk) 12:52, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, there are very frequently Tamil BLPs which have source problems. Next time I see one, I'll drop a note. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:05, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Re:Thangal Uppapa?

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How?

How on earth do you manage to cover such a huge range of subjects, not to mention languages? Look up Mikelangelo and the Black Sea Gentlemen on the web - they remind me of you. PiCo (talk) 08:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Heh

"Other statements supporting Gerald O' Collins statement should be added." Yes, that´s EXACTLY what Dr Muhammad Ali wants. Anyway, Glad Påsk! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Belated reply

Hi, sorry for not replying to your questions on my talk page, but I have been away from Wikipedia since 9 March, and only logged on for the first time this morning. Although I have been associated with SOAS since 1983, and still occasionally visit the library, I haven't been on the staff there since 1998 so I'm afraid that I can't answer the questions about SEA studies or Vietnamese at SOAS. BabelStone (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

António Luís Gomes

He was dean at the University of Coimbra, and worked as a minister for the First Republic. He was one of the most critical individuals of the monarchy during and after the British ultimatum. He was the first president of the AAC, and was a law student. There are many awards and conventions at the UC named after him, as well as in Porto. I can't find much online, but you ought to check this [10] or the Portuguese language article. Tibullus (talk) 13:56, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks and a request

Thanks for your Barnstar to me on 15th March 2013. Actually I am currently looking for some copy edit support in recent fresh article legal awareness. Any contributory support to the article is welcome.

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Hi friend, I did not find anything about "Crucifixion by an Eye-Witness" on Wikipedia? what is its status ? anything about it? Dr Muhammad Ali (talk) 05:33, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Lalo Ríos

Hello. I've seen that did you put some references to the article that I published about the Lalo Rios actor. The references listed appear to have more information about this actor that the that I've been able to get in internet (he emigrated with his parents to the two years ...). I think it might be interesting to incorporate new information in the article, in order to give a better insight into his biography. More information you do can provide if you want. Thank you.--Isinbill (talk) 12:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok. If you help me in the article, thanks in advance.--Isinbill (talk) 02:28, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

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I think this guy needs some help

An IP nominated Faraaz Kazi for deletion, but the template links to the deletion discussion for some Bauhaus song. Not making this up. As an aside I actually feel Kazi is notable given some sources, if barely making it past the mark. But I'm not sure how to engage in discussion because I didn't nominate it and I suspect that the IP who did might not know how to do so properly. How should I approach this? MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:35, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

If that's the case, then do we just leave the AfD template there until an admin removes it? Technically we're not supposed to remove it until the discussion is completed, but in this case I don't think the discussion will even take place. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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WP:SET and LittleBenW

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Hi there,

Thanks for the heads-up. My position on this hasn't really changed: I think that WP:SET is a unilateral attempt to introduce systemic bias into Wikipedia. By hiding behind algorithmic results, it purports to deliver objectivity, while encoding the designer's own biases in the code which is used. The constant references to Lech Walesa and Facundo Arguello (however spelled) show that it is a vehicle for the continuing culture-wars of the anti-diacritics mob. LittleBenW has on several occasions declined to engage in any discussion which allows for the possibility that his preferred search terms introduce systemic bias. I regard his addition of this POV-pushing template into WP:IRS as (yet another) violation of his topic ban on diacritics.

And for absolute clarity: I still consider that it is insane to claim that a source in a subject's native language (written or approved by the subject, often) is intrinsically less reliable than one written in the language of this Wikipedia, and of LittleBenW. If the Icelandic PM does not spell her own patronymic with two 'd's, nor should we. LittleBenW's absurd crusade seeks to institutionalise the reverse position.

I don't know what should be done; I feel like I've spent long enough at WP:ANI on this topic already, but if another case is opened there, I'm happy to weigh in. Please let me know your thoughts on this subject.

Many thanks,

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GE peer review for FAC

Greetings. I'm going to tag the Gospel of the Ebionites article for a second peer review in about a week. I have the names of a few editors with the technical expertise to prepare articles for FAC. Unfortunately, no one I contacted knows any reviewers with the necessary technical skills and also a familiarity with the religion category. Can you come up with a short list of independent editors we might contact to evaluate the content? They should be outside the usual circle of editors we run into because this is supposed to be an external review. Of course, once the tag is placed anyone can participate. Ignocrates (talk) 03:52, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The GE peer review for FAC is now open. Ignocrates (talk) 18:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

One more thing, would you be willing to help out in the final stages of getting the Gospel of the Hebrews article ready for first peer review? I am a few weeks away from completing all the remaining sections, but I thought this would be an opportune time to ask you. PiCo has offered to help out with the final editing, but I need your expertise to help with the content. I thought between the three of us we could do an internal review to polish it up for GAC. I already have external editors willing to volunteer to do the peer review and GAC. Let me know. Thanks. Ignocrates (talk) 04:04, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The GHeb peer review is now open if you care to contribute. Ignocrates (talk) 18:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the additional inputs in Church of St Mary of the Angels. Though I was stuck with my official work, the effort from you saved the page. Cheers Jean Julius Vernal 10:11, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

New Page...

Hi in Ictu Oculi, I have created my very First Article on Wikipedia ! Dr Paul C. Pappas.(I wonder if it stays or goes down the Recycle Bin !) hahaha.ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 02:59, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

He's probably only borderline notable, but I've added a ref and formatted it. Ideally for a BLP you need to find date of birth. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for such a quick response, really in the blink of an eye I will search for bio details...ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 03:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Moving articles to add acute accents

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Re:MOSBIO

Do you mean WP:OPENPARA? That is not new, it has been there for as long as I can remember. GiantSnowman 09:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I signalled my edit as 'BOLD' purely because I view almost any edit to a MOS page as bold, even if (as in my case) it is to try and clarify something which is already there. Your articles are not "illegal", they simply do not meet MOS 100% - but, unfortunately, not many articles do! GiantSnowman 09:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

If you remove it then it will make things less clear, how is that improving the encyclopedia? Consensus at a MOS talk page can hardly be considered LOCALCONSENSUS, and I'm not sure why you have brought sports articles into it? Is this just a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT? GiantSnowman 09:37, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Traditional encyclopedic style is all well and good - and I'm speaking as someone who had to write traditional encyclopedic biographical entries as part of my University course - but this is not a traditional encyclopedia, and there are therefore going to be differences. I am unsure when WP:OPENPARA was first introduced, you'll have to trawl through the history, but I am certain it has been there a number of years, and no doubt added with good reason and due to consensus. There was a recent discussion at WT:MOSBIO (which we both contributed to), which finished with no consensus to remove it, and in fact plenty of support for it. Therefore it should remain. Finally, MOSBIO is intended to apply to all biographies, regardless of whether they are athletes or classical musicians or anything else. Please abide by it, even if you don't like it. GiantSnowman 10:09, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, and I said " I am unsure when WP:OPENPARA was first introduced, you'll have to trawl through the history, but I am certain it has been there a number of years, and no doubt added with good reason and due to consensus." However, there has been no mention of including places of birth/death since at least January 2008. GiantSnowman 10:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

But there is a rule against places now, so that's what you should abide by. You want to know when OPENPARA was introduced? Look through the history, I don't have time/reason to do so myself. My January 2008 is a list of what should be included - as place is not mentioned, it is extremely logical to say that place should not be included. Ignorance of the MOS is no excuse for flouting it once you have been informed, and just because many other editors are not aware does not mean you should continue to edit in that manner. GiantSnowman 10:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

No, you need to start a RFC is you want to change long-established MOS. No idea where your figure of 20-30% of bios that follow your 'correct' format comes from, but it could be 99% and it wouldn't make a single bit of difference. The format of those articles are wrong,l and the format of your articles is wrong. GiantSnowman 14:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Further - my edit did not change the MOS, it simply made it clearer. You also won't find a single featured biography that uses your method. GiantSnowman 14:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

As advised by GD below, this is better discussed at WT:MOSBIO, rather than leaving quasi-cryptic messages at my talk page. GiantSnowman 15:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Gentlemen, this is best discussed at the MoS-in-question. GoodDay (talk) 14:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

IIO, I know you're upset right now, concerning the MOS-in-question. But, that's no reason for this post, at my talkpage. I like to think you're better then that. GoodDay (talk) 15:22, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

If anyone chances on this above, Mark L. Knapp, Anita L. Vangelisti Interpersonal communication and human relationships 2005 Page 280 might be a good place to start. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Eye my wording?

Hello old buddy.

Would you care to take a look at the note I added 2008–09 ISU Speed Skating World Cup#Calendar to see if it makes sense (=good English)?

You wouldn't happen to know how notes are added? I mean, those that look like [Nb 1]. I'm not referring to ordinary < ref > references. I can't find any examples right now.

Thanks for your input,

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(talk page stalker) See WP:REFGROUP for instructions, and a convenient markup example. --BDD (talk) 19:52, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hey man, I could use some advice regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindu Taliban (3rd nomination). The nominator along with some who support the deletion and some who oppose it are now getting into some back and forth exchanges on the discussion with those who hold an opposing view. Now, one of the commenters dropped an F-bomb casually. I don't really care about the outcome, I voted for keep but I won't lose sleep if it's deleted, but what concerns me is that I can see this discussion becoming unfruitful and uncivil really fast. Considering that this is the article's third nomination - the first two basically ended with keep because those arguing for deletion had some funny business going on and then no consensus for similar bickering - I worry that there might not be a consensus again, which not only would mean everyone wasted their time but it could go to a fourth nomination (which could still boil down into an argument rather than discussion). What do you think ought to be done? Is there a way I can request an admin to try and moderate and tone down the discussion a bit? The back and forth arguing especially seems likely to lead to a no consensus ending again. MezzoMezzo (talk) 11:37, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps, my main issue isn't the outcome. What I'm concerned about is the nature of the discussion; I can see it ending with no consensus again. Although I would still vote for keep, I think delete would still be better than another no consensus vote. Do you think the arguing (especially the cussing) warrants higher attention, or should things just be left to run their course? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:24, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Montague William Douglas

Hi friend, I placed an article about M W Douglas. It has been tagged for deletion. Will you help? --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 03:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thank you. But how did you contest the 'threat' within minutes and pacified the 'Police' ? regards. --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 04:11, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Mystery (Faye Wong album)

I have responded and made changes. You can change your vote. --George Ho (talk) 15:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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A more detailed reason is needed for your oppose, as the article was moved despite the majority being oppose.  — AARON • ^TALK 15:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for expanding. It annoyed me how many of us opposed and it had no effect.  — AARON • ^TALK 18:31, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: Ibn Babuyeh

According to this disambiguation page, there is an Arabic article for the father (here) which is oddly not included as a link on his English page. There does not appear to be an Arabic article for the son, per the red link on the disambig page. This isn't surprising, as there are few editors on Arabic Wikipedia - in my own experience - who take interest in Shi'ism, unfortunately. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, many thanks for looking, the possible lack of Shiite material occured to me when I couldn't find it. I noted that the article on the father was pretty brief too - but I thought it was Wikidata-ed? In ictu oculi (talk) 03:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I thought that Wiki-data-ing is automatic, though perhaps it takes some time. In general, you will find more material on Shi'ite-related subjects on Farsi Wikipedia (not really surprising). MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:08, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Somehow wikidata didn't pick up the en.wp link and created two entries, anyway I fixed it. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

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Great Church

I will take a look, but may take a day or two. Which gap was it trying to fill? The Rahner source you have used is actually the source I would have used - perhaps the best one one could find. That would be good to know beforehand. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 08:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Mainly filling a gap in relation to the more recent use per Schneemelcher and co. But the old catholic use is probably more notable. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The scope of the use of the term has certainly changed over time. As usual the term came to use first, then everyone and his brother claimed ownership of it. As Stockmeier said, it originally referred to the expansion up to 313, the edict, etc. And then there were the "great church councils" of course. Then both east and west claimed it, as usual. I added the ref to Irvin and Sunquist whose chapter "Great Church Emerges" refers to Origen etc. and traces the concept. I will try to add some more from that within the next week little by little, but please feel free to expand after Origen's use, etc. History2007 (talk) 18:00, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Anyway, I added material from a few sources, expanded on Irenaeus, the expansion during the great Church epoch, etc. I think that clarifies the origins, growth path etc. Let me know if anything more is needed. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 18:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Coberg

I discovered a discovery: composer Coberg and his work, lost for 300 years, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Stubbed: Johann Anton Coberg. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk:All_I_Ever_Wanted_(Kelly_Clarkson_song)#Requested_move

I see you participated in the move request for this page. I would like to bring your attention to a comment that was left on that page because it brings to light some information which I didn't even notice right away, and was about to support the move until I noticed it. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Cantonese transliteration

Titles in Cantonese transliteration should not resemble pinyin. "touhou zigei" looks like a pinyin to me, so avoid that. A transliteration of Cantonese must look and sound great. --George Ho (talk) 04:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

tou hou zi gei still resembles a pinyin, regardless of how Yale does. --George Ho (talk) 05:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I understand your point, actually that was Jyutping, then let's use Yale Tou hou ji gei. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:03, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Yale looks fine for now. --George Ho (talk) 05:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: WP:NPA

Yeah, I tend to agree, but I obviously supported the proposal. Perhaps you could find an uninvolved admin to formally "close" it (like an RFC). I also don't see any particular harm in being WP:BOLD (it can always be reverted, after all) but it's up to you. I'd go for it and explain in your ES that it had been discussed (in some detail) on the talk page. That way, people know where to look if they have any concerns. Stalwart111 03:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, saw that - good work. Stalwart111 04:02, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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Sahibzada Abdul Qayyum

Dear friend, Can you help me locate an Official British Govt. Gazette/Notification reference, to the effect that Nawab Sir Sahibzada Abdul Qayyum (1864-1937) (India - North West Frontier Province now Pakistan) was awarded KNIGHTHOOD KCSI ? He is always addressed as 'Sir A Q' [Member Durand Commission, Chief Minister NWFP (1937) Founder of Islamia College Peshawar, a Political Agent.....etc. [just to help you locate him....] shall be thankful. Regards. --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 03:16, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Understanding check

Barry Morrow has no sources, but he won an Academy Award. So...does this pass notability for film people? Winning the award is obviously a notable thing, but does it support notability for an article forever if that's all they're known for? MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. In any case the article has sources now :) Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:56, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Unknown

A user asked a question on the Unknown years of Jesus page and my answer was that I was too lazy before. What do you think... History2007 (talk) 22:23, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Nazôréens/Nazarenes

Bonjour. J'ai trouvé un document de référence qui présente les différentes options qui traversent la recherche : Petri Luomanen, « Nazarenes » in Antti Marjanen et Petri Luomanen, A Companion to Second-Century Christian « Heretics », éd. Brill, 2005, pp. 279-314 extraits en ligne. Cela accrédite tout à fait le manque de neutralité de l'article en termes wikipédiens. Maintenant, par quel bout reprendre cela, c'est une autre paire de manche... User:Mogador (talk) 11:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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Fyi, the Gospel of the Ebionites article is currently under review for WP:FAC if you are interested in helping out. Ignocrates (talk) 16:48, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/OGBranniff

I've refiled this case against Mendoza2909, feel free to leave your observations if you have time. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello there

Saudações, but the actual article is a copy of the Latin spelling and pronunciation section and also, some articles suit better when inserted into their parent articles, see WP:CFORK. If the section grows beyond the article scope then it should be separated, try expanding the section then separate it. Eduemoni^↑talk↓ 15:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Please help

Dear In ictu Oculi, could you please check the talk page of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robby_Robinson_(bodybuilder) and help to achieve fairness in materials put on article about Robby Robinson? I would like to hear your opinion if you also support that within a couple of days an article about a famous bodybuilding legend turned out into an article about a ... I do not even have words. All the previous contributions were deleted, not only those from me, and new ones are presented so misleading that people who know Mr Robinson and his life and achievements will never believe this is an article about him. Thak you. RRWM (talk) 00:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Dear [In ictu Oculi], I would like to apply for your help concerning Robinson's article once again:

1) Users Brocach and BarrelProof have recently deleted the REMI-Award for Robinson's DVD Built and inserted wrong information about his book - deletion of REMI after humiliating editing humiliation attempt on REMI
- can these people really make decisions that an official prize that even also has a page on Wiki that this living person was awarded is not worth mentioning in wikipedia?
- can they make parallel humiliating comments about every entrance from person's biography, that are visible for all the readers of the article?
I mean, REMI was not a small award, it is given to films, and BUILT is just a DVD, but special, like a TV film - on one side. But even if it is about small achievements of Robinson from school, is it allowed to parallel write humiliating comments? Who is allowed to decide what is importrant in the biography of living person?

2) my latest contribution to Robinson`s article was also deleted, see my contribuition about creation of Robinson's memoirs deleted by BarrelProof
- Are materials from autobiographies/ memoirs and blog/ articles of living persons allowed to be used for wiki-article?
- do you also find, the citation of the review on Robinson's book from nomination committee of Writers' Digest has pure "promotional character"?

3) Comments of editors Brocach and now BarrelProof not only on Robinson's Talk page but also in summary lines to their "contributions"
- is it allowed that the editors of the article permanently publicly insult and try to humiliate the living person, the subject of the article?
- are they allowed to continue to work on the article?
All their discussions are publically open in internet, and they act as official representatives of Wikipedia. Since I am new here, I do not know, if here is any observing institution helping to avoid that wikipedia articles look like ground school kids dirty chat and do not directly descriminate and insult people, at least those that are the subject of the wiki-article?

4) could it be a kind of sabotage from Robinson's haters to force the managers of Robinson to apply to close the article?
Is it possible to avoid it?

5) What should I do with the direct insult towards my wiki-user from Brocach that the BarrelProof tried to hide by irreversible removal, see this direct insult

I hope very much, you will be able to bring some clearance in this subject, since I can see you are a very experienced wikipedian, with many contributions to very many biographies and always correct actions on Robinson`s article.
Thank you very much RRWM (talk) 21:49, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Happy to discuss these widely posted claims by RRWM at the talk page for Robby Robinson (bodybuilder). Brocach (talk) 00:16, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Wish to note that I did not delete comments here by other editors, which seem to have been (temporarily) lost due to some sort of server glitch. Brocach (talk) 01:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

RESTORED COMMENTS:

Please allow me to interject here. There are several complaints above, and I'm not sure this is the right place to discuss each of them in detail. However, I would like to clarify that I have no animosity toward Mr Robinson, nor to RRWM. On the contrary, I think Mr Robinson is a remarkable and inspiring man, and I commend his accomplishments – especially his exceptionally long career which endures to the present time. Much of the contention around the article has not, in my opinion, been about Mr Robinson's merits. Rather, they are a matter of establishing what Wikipedia calls "reliable sources", "notability", "verifiability", and "neutral point of view". —BarrelProof (talk) 22:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the comment above saying "the direct insult ... that the BarrelProof tried to hide" – yes, I removed those two sentences written by Brocach. The reason I did that was that I thought those sentences were not appropriate and should be deleted from the record. In addition to making that edit, I emailed Brocach and two admins to explain why I thought those sentences should be deleted. (You can see that reflected in my edit summary, in the phrase "Brocach and Andrewa, please check your email".) I did not do that out of hostility toward RRWM – just the opposite is the case. I did that because I thought RRWM should be treated better. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

please stop

I would truly appreciate it if you would try to be constructive and stop harassing me on my talk page and other open talk pages. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:22, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

The reason there is open discussion on Talk:Frédéric Vitoux (tennis) is because you have twice reverted the closer of the RM's removal of your content which was overwhelming rejected in the RM, not to mention earlier RfC. It is not "harassment" to ask you to stop adding material which so many editors have asked you not to add. Likewise there is open discussion on Talk:Stephane Grenier because you have added the same material there. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Indic script

Considering your Wiki-Reputation, i have not reverted your edit, but, please see User:Sitush/Common#Scripts --Tito Dutta (contact) 06:32, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Most bizarre. That makes a separate rule for India articles which is the opposite of every other country. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Which other country has 22 national languages, 100 major languages and thousands of languages? a) I as a Bengali add Bengali script, a Hindi editor comes, adds Hindi script, a Tamil editor comes, sees his language is missing and adds his languages.. it goes on and finally it becomes a long list of Indic scripts? b) secondly most of the Indian languages need font support and most of the Wikipedia readers don't have those font installed. For these reasons, mainly for reason a, we don't add Indic script in Indian articles and encourage to add IPA. --Tito Dutta (contact) 06:58, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Most bios are clearly only 1 of 22 languages; A Malayalam BLP has a Malayalam name etc. Adding a Tamil name would be daft. The major Indian languages (the state-ones) are all now standard in Windows. They all display even on my old laptop. Anyway, I've left a comment on WP India. I see something like a 12-6 majority in the RfC so will respect it, but it seems bonkers. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Those are my reasons. They have better reason. Discussion on Indic scripts are always going on in India noticeboard, here is another on going on currently Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Indic_scripts_in_lead (I don't follow those carefully, just follow their consensus, and actually I told the same point at the time of main discussion, we should include *only* subject's own language (Bengali for Bengali etc). But, actually I understand this, you understand this, but, not general readers, specially the IPS. And often articles turn like this Ghanada#Books. This is a huge problem, there are many articles where you have more words in Indian languages than English! So, I now agree with their consensus too) Better IPA than Indic script) --Tito Dutta (contact) 07:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Ghanada#Books is a bit ugly yes. Normally with a Russian or Chinese LP the local script track name would be once only for each line. Oh well. So be it. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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I'm not finding anything independent on Imam Ahmad Raza Academy. The article was created by Shabiha, who was recently found to be a sock account anyway. So I doubt we'll get any more on Yanabi.com. I'm still not convinced either, as the two sources there only prove that the site exists but not that it's notable. Obviously giving my lack of understanding of deletion policy in the past, I'd still like to know your take on all this. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:39, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

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Re:Timeline

You're so clever. Since my talk page is blocked, you would write down message in the talk page of the article that I usually edit to get my attention. That source says that some burial customs had existed in Vietnam since 3200 to 3700 BC. It emerged amid the time of the Hung Vuong so I bet we should add some details about it to the Hong Bang Dynasty article, by adding a sub-section naming "Burial customs". Furthermore, if you had time, I would like you to create article about Tây Vu Vương, a descendant of An Duong Vuong who led a fail uprising in 111 BC against the Han invasion (I had given some sources in the timeline article, also you can find more details in the book "The Birth of Vietnam"). Cheer. ༆ (talk) 22:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Well I thought I'd offer you some encouragement after your experience. However that your Talk page is locked is entirely your own fault. Without either written evidence from the admin User:EyeSerene, or alternatively a demonstration to User:King of Hearts that you understand his point, then your page will probably be locked permanently... if that is your choice.

I made a stub for Tây Vu Vương, best wishes In ictu oculi (talk) 04:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

It's ok, that is partially what I like. Don't know why but I want my talk page to remain either blank or sealed. In the future, if you like to send me a message, you could send it to the talk page of some of my sub-user pages. As for Tây Vu Vương, I remember some sources say that, when the Han army invaded Nam Viet, they conquered Guangdong and Guangxi; Tây Vu Vương led the uprising in former Au Lac (northern Vietnam) but was betrayed by his follower and defeated by the Han. So his uprising occurred before the Han domination. When I asked you to create Tay Vu Vuong article, I forgot to mention Khoa Đẩu, which is evidently an ancient Vietnamese writing that existed from the Hong Bang Period until the Trung Sisters [12]. ༆ (talk) 06:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well even if you like it, if you please don't mind me offering a personal opinion, it seems like cutting off the nose to spite the face. The fact is admin User:EyeSerene is no longer active, so unless you make at least a minimal effort to communicate with User:King of Hearts you are labelling yourself "Sockpuppet" permanently, you might as well have a signature that says [User talk:༆-sockpuppeter, ignore me!]]. It doesn't show respect to other editors, including to me. I appeal to you to make an effort to repair the situation.

As you ask, I've made a stub for Khoa Đẩu. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank for your advice, but no, I continue to insist my talk page to be sealed. Check out the edit histories of "First Chinese domination of Vietnam" and "Timeline of Vietnamese history", I had a almost no-ending cycle clash with a IP who use multiple address namely 113... and 123.... As you can see, those 2 IP are one person as I can tell. They take advantage of using multiple address to AVOID 3-revert rule and also wrote in my talk with some disdain words. I like to ask that person if there is a reason he/she doesnt like to open an account. That's why I just let my talk page to be locked to prevent that Ip again. ༆ (talk) 07:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well there's a simple way of (a) preventing IPs from messing with Timeline of Vietnamese history, (b) preventing IPs leaving disdaining messages on your own talk page. What you're doing doesn't prevent IPs from messing with Timeline of Vietnamese history. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Reference page needed

Some years ago, you inserted at Christian mortalism a reference to ‘Williams, Petersen, & Pater (eds.), ‘The contentious triangle: church, state, and university: a festschrift in in Honor of Professor George Huntston Williams’, Sixteenth Century Essays and Studies, volume 2, p. (1999)’. Could you fill in the page number, please? Leandrogfcdutra (talk) 16:36, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Also a Kries reference with a nonexistent page number, if you could please provide a correct number. Leandrogfcdutra (talk) 00:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

One more: a Moltmann reference with two different page ranges. Leandrogfcdutra (talk) 00:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I may have a look to see if can refind sources in a few days, but no promises. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Richard Hartwick

Following the talk on the Roza Bal page, the story about the 59th one etc. I started to look more into a few things. Do you have any idea who Richard Hartwick may be? There is a statement on the back cover of the book that:

• "Dr. Richard Hartwick, Huffington Post 'Epic in scope, a controversial work, well researched and densely packed with brilliant new discoveries"

But a search on Huffington Post does not succeed, and all over the web a search for Richard Hartwick and Olsson does not show anything except the Rozabal website. Is there a misspelling somehow? The only independent review I could find is by "Geetika Kaw Kher" from the Amity University, and it is just .... It will show under a search for "BOOK REVIEW: Jesus in Kashmir". I had no idea it had that many errors... History2007 (talk) 21:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

The name finds no such person. It could have been some individual posting on a Huffington Blog? Anyway its not in the wp article :) In ictu oculi (talk) 23:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Right. I was just wondering what he said in that review and who he was... History2007 (talk) 23:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk:The Situation (TV personality)#Requested move

I have voted for an alternative instead of "support" or "oppose". You may change your vote to an alternative if possible. --George Ho (talk) 17:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Chilcotin items

Thanks for the responses on Shuswap, Lillooet and Thompson, Tshilqot'in is even more compelling. It also relates to an older April 23 CfD, still unclosed, at Category:Chilcotin (region), which should either become Category:Chilcotin (like Category:Cariboo or Category:Okanagan which are for other similarly-named BC regions, vs what would happen if the main-article "rule" for category names were applied to Category:Tsilhqot'in...Category:People from the Chilcotin people is not a happy outcome especially if there was (and I think there is) Category:People from the Chilcotin or Category:People from the Chilcotin region. It's not just indigenous authenticity that's behind the practicality of the endonyms and why they were chosen, it was to make the distinction in the first place between the common meaning of the region vs the common meaning of the people. "Chilcotin" means "people of the red ochre river" and so "Chilcotin people" is redundant (with all Athapaskan names, the "-tin" ending or its cognates means "people" just as the -emc/-mc/-mx and others mean "people" in the various Salishan languages. -tin is the same as Dene in meaning.Skookum1 (talk) 03:20, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me, I missed those, and will try and input later. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

thanks, I just launched another RM on Talk:Kutenai people on the same grounds, though CANENGL is not exclusive there, as those people are also in Montana and Idaho and elsewhere (though predominantly in Canada, not sure of the population comparison). Once again, the COMMONNAME rationale was bogus, as you will see. I notified User:Billposer about Carrier people vs its former title Dakelh before starting that one; he's the senior linguist at the Yinka Dene Language Institute and one of the foremost modern scholars on the Dakelh and Wet'su-we'ten and other northern groups; that's bit of a different situation as Carrier is in wide use but so is Dakelh, but once again it impacts an endonym-based category Category:Dakelh and is an issue of "what white people called these people" vs "what they call themselves".Skookum1 (talk) 03:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

[outdent] Re your comment on the Ktunaxa/Kutenai one, the only one of these I'm aware of there having been an RM for was Skwxwu7mesh->Squamish people and I'm not sure he was involved in the discussion; one of the reasons used was "because User:OldManRivers" isn't around anymore" (that's a paraphrase, not a quote; OMR is the leading Skxwu7mesh internet person, and the main language teacher for his people's language revival).Skookum1 (talk) 04:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

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Minan-ur-Rahman Book

Dear friend, I have created an article, as a review, upon a book by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad namely Minan-ur-Rahman. I will request you to kindly see it, I know if it gets touched by you, it will sure get something good. Be well and blessed. Sincerely- --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 07:03, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks but I couldn't find any non-Ahmadi sources relating to this book. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:21, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your kindly response. As far as 'Comments about' the book of Ahmad, probably none, But corroborative references to the same/similar Idea (Arabic being the mother Language and the Divine Language); YES. I will record them all and include in the article. Will that suffice ? Regards.

--ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 15:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Talk:No Regrets (Faye Wong album)#Re-expanding poll

They opened a poll. You can re-vote. --George Ho (talk) 16:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

DEFAULTSORT

Just a reminder that if you put the DEFAULTSORT code on a page, you need to actually specify a default sort key: {{DEFAULTSORT}} by itself will do nothing except throw up errors.

On a biographical article, the default sort key should be the subject's name with surname/family name in the most significant position, e.g. {{DEFAULTSORT:Petrini, Giuseppe}}. (Also note the use of a colon, not the | symbol used in templates; DEFAULTSORT, despite looking similar, is not a template but a magic word.) — Paul A (talk) 01:36, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm in the process of finishing these articles. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Oral gospel traditions

I think the proper place to merge them into is Quest for the historical Jesus where the early 20th century, Bultmann etc. are discussed. I will touch up the merge target, it will be a much easier merge discussion. If you don't agree, just change it back please. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 06:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I am really sorry, I had totally forgotten that we had talked about that Pandora's box before. But please do accept my apologies if I can not do more on it now that I realized what it is. Perhaps sometime in 2027 (or maybe 2025) those issues will settle down. Until then there is just life that can go into it with no end. There are too few people who will ever get involved in that topic and in fact perhaps even fewer who will read what there is carefully. So I see that type of topic as the border of sanity in Wikipedia. So please do accept my apologies. History2007 (talk) 19:13, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move of Thompsons

if you do put in a separate RM please notify me. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Not separate RM; if "Thompson people → Nlaka'pamux people", automatically "Thompson language → Nlaka'pamux language". --Kmoksy (talk) 05:46, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

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Kindly listen to what I have to say then it's your decision. Understand the depth of the situation. Cheers, Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 07:17, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Yuki Kato (geisha)

Hi, I noticed you removed the copy edit tag I put on Yuki Kato (geisha), and I was wondering why. There are many mistakes in the Japanese that seem to have been caused by OCR mistakes or typing mistakes (even the kanji for her name was wrong). Citations also don't show good format for italics for titles, etc. I tried to start correcting some of the Japanese mistakes, but there were so many I wanted to tag it for help from others. Unless you can fix these all yourself, I suggest reinserting the tag so that others can help fix the problems. Michitaro (talk) 01:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Because copy edit is a very generic tag. Don't we have something more specific? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:40, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is very general (wasn't there some talk of getting rid of it?). But I did specify some of the things that needed fixing. Michitaro (talk) 13:31, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure, you did, and no there isn't a better one. I really can't be fussed to correct the OCR errors, would be more likely to just delete the refs, so by all means restore the tag, sorry I removed it. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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Chinese language romanization in Hong Kong

I renamed it from "Hong Kong name". Therefore, you can expand broadly about romanizing Chinese in Hong Kong. Probably merge Origins of names of cities and towns in Hong Kong, Place names of Hong Kong, and other kinds. Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 03:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I've put it back. I think romanization of Cantonese is a far far bigger subject, not limited to HK. And these names - which aren't all Chinese - still need an article. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

JPG Henry Martyn Clark

Hi friend, Do you suggest I should upload again Picture of Henry Martyn Clark (with no copy rights and in public domain) ? The picture you had helped attach has now been deleted. --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 03:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes I would have another go, it should be out of copyright, you just need to say so. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you friend for the kindly response . Now the picture has the magic words- PD- SELF !

. Cheers ! --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 04:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Romanization of Telugu

Thanks for adding this article. Nagarjuna198 (talk)

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Question for you at Talk:Sotah

Hi. Can you please see Talk:Sotah#Reference point?. I'm trying to understand what you added. Thanks! -- Avi (talk)

RFC

You are opposing me and supporting him in Racha discussion. See if you can help your friend here: Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Propose_move_back (don't take the comment seriously, just joking) --Tito Dutta (contact) 21:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Seems that several users need to take it more easy. :) In ictu oculi (talk) 22:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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You have already derailed the discussion by mentioning Racha which was not a topic of the discussion! Anyway, it happens. there are more messages there! In addition, see if you can give some advices to that editor like writing edit summaries etc! --Tito Dutta (contact) 00:18, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't a deliberate derail merely even-handedness, seems to me the issue is on both sides, though I haven't looked closely enough to say "six of one, half a dozen of the other." I hope this isn't a Telangana vs Coastal Andhra issue (again). In ictu oculi (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

FYI- Telangana or Andhra, Telugu(alphabets) remain same except for usage of vocabulary and slang. Now adays few things are just blown out of preportion for political reasons. Standard form of Telugu is same for Telangana, Rayalseema and Andhra regions. Nagarjuna198 (talk) 02:03, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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Re Chromatics article

Thank you for your support and response concerning my Chromatics article. I'm new here, as you see. I would be grateful if you wanted to look over the article I'm preparing; it's in my sandbox at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rdb112/sandbox. I do have several questions you may be able to help with.

I'm not sure if I should be writing to you by posting on YOUR talk page, or by editing your comments on mine. But I'm going to try sending this via your page first.

As a writer, I'm used to finishing an article before publication, but it appears that's not the way it's done here. For example, I have some pictures which I'd like to add to the Chromatics article, but it seems I'm not allowed to upload those until the article is created. I can do that; it's just an observation.

Of the article titles suggested by those who responded, I like Chromatics_(graphics) the best so far. Anyone who's looking for that company will know that they were not a general-purpose computer manufacturer, but a graphics computer manufacturer. But I don't see how to specify a title for the article. Is this done in the editor with markup tags, or is there a step in publishing the article during which I choose the title?

I may be able to locate a few more references, but I'd be interested to know if you feel this article is complete enough for publication. That would allow me to move forward with the pictures, and possibly the renaming/disambiguation tasks of the name Chromatics. Any other suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Rdb112 (talk) 11:28, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Rade Jovanović (composer)

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Notifying members of WP Albania of discussion about the placenames in Kosovo/Serbia?

I noticed that you notified members of WP Albania of the discussion about the placenames in Serbia/Kosovo and I am concerned that it may result with influencing the outcome of a discussion towards one side of a debate. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:45, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

You'll see I notified WP Serbia as well. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:08, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Skeleton Page for Chromatics

Yes, that would be a bit help, I'm sure. Thanks. Rdb112 (talk) 15:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for help on Chromatics

Thanks for all your help. I've moved the page to Chromatics (graphics) and will continue with pictures and disambiguation work soon. Regards, Rdb112 (talk) 17:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

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Monasteries with capital letters

Hello IIO. I am not soliciting you to vote in the move at Talk:Bazjaš monastery#Move?, but didn't I hear you say you speak one of the local languages? This move discussion was sitting in the backlog, and I thought I might close it. There is almost a tie between supporters and opponents. An oppose argument that may carry special weight (in my mind) is that of No Such User. In the local language, people might not be saying 'Studenica Monastery' but 'the monastery at Studenica'. In the latter case we probably don't want to capitalize monastery. That is, it may not considered a proper name in the local language. It may be known officially as the "Monastery of St. X" and just happens to be in Studenica. Can you see any such distinction? The link he cites for Studenica in the local language is this one. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:18, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Non-existent project banners

Hi in ictu oculi. :) I see that you've been tagging a load of talk pages with WikiProject banners. Thanks for your hard work - I can see that it's a pretty thankless task. I noticed that some of the project tags that you tried to add don't actually exist, though, like the Winter sports project here, and WikiProject Presbyterianism here. These end up listed in Wikipedia:Database reports/Broken WikiProject templates, so although I don't want to take anything away from the work you're doing, if you get the names wrong it does create cleanup work for others. How are you tagging these - is it all manual, or are you using some kind of automation? It strikes me that these errors could be reduced or eliminated through some scripting magic. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 01:07, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

No, there's no automation involved, when it's a project I don't know I Google Wikiproject rough topic. Occasionally that leads to redlinked templates, but I habitually do a page reload to check the template works. Those redlinks look like I was interrupted or project tagging two open pages at the same time. As you know there are a lot of inconsistencies in the format of WikiProject templates, and whether or not redirects and alternative template tags work. Some of them, regular annoyances, could be fixed by {WP Projectname} being created as a redirect to {WikiProject Projectname}, but I've forgotten how to create such a template redirect. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:14, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Here's 2 classic examples just now {WP Honduras} doesn't exist? Why? when normally LatAm countries all have that template format, or {WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia} doesn't create {WikiProject Australia|Indigenous=yes} ... suspect that's technically more difficult to redirect and preempt redlinks? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:10, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Template redirects work just like any other redirects, so you can just go ahead and create those. I did Template:WP Honduras just now. If you want to add parameters, though, it is more difficult. For making {{WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia}} equal {{WikiProject Australia|Indigenous=yes}} you need some template coding knowledge, and although most templates like this would be simple, it could be complicated if the target template is a big one like {{WikiProject United States}}. It might be a good idea to leave a message on the project talk page for those cases. Also, a trick I often use is typing "Template:WikiProject Topic area" into the Wikipedia search bar, which only comes up with templates or template redirects that exist on the project. Try it and see if it works for you. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 03:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks very much. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I had a look at the code for {{WikiProject Australia}}, and I can see that the benefits of a template that made {{WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia}} equal {{WikiProject Australia|Indigenous=yes}} is probably not worth the cost of maintaining it. You would need to add parameters for all of the WikiProject Australia task forces, and update the template every time the main WP Australia template added a new task force or changed a parameter. A simple redirect won't have any of these problems, although it will look a bit strange to have to type {{WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia|Indigenous=yes}}. Nevertheless, it might prove useful, so I have created that one too. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 03:53, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, a bit obscure. Will probably continue to fumble those manually. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:00, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Mind if I quote you?

"reverting a redlink editors repeated deletion of sourced content isn't a sin, it's a minor barnstar"

I'd like to add that to my collection of Wiki-wisdom, if you don't mind. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:32, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

not sure why you sided with that IP...plus you were wrong about "3RR" anyway...

hello. What gives exactly? It's that IP address that is "near 3RR" and reverted a good and accurate edit FIRST. And actually you're wrong anyway. It's NOT "3RR" at all...because the revert was OVER A WEEK AGO. Nothing at all "within 24 hours". But aside from that, why side with him at all anyway? It doesn't matter that the article name is "Mosaic Covenant". That's not the point. What is the point is that "Mosaic Law Covenant" is ALSO standard and correct way of saying it. Stop violating WP policy by undoing VALID AND CORRECT MODIFICATIONS AND EDITS. You will be reverted right now, sir...because you did wrong in what you did. You stated something that isn't even true...cuz in this case, there's NO "3RR" issue. Check the dates more carefully. Also, again, the actual issue is that correct and valid modifications are NOT to be reverted by anyone, at all. "Mosaic Law Covenant" is accurate and standard too. So why undo that? You offered no real reason. You were out of line in what you did. Gabby Merger (talk) 00:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello. When something beeps frequently on my Watchlist I go look. I was under the impression you added and were reverted, however please discuss on Talk:Council of Jerusalem. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:45, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

RE:

Right sorry. I meant to link to WP:NSONGS. Looking at the sources, you're right, but you might want to include the Template:Infobox song as well. And the 2011 re-recording with Juanes. Erick (talk) 06:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good, I'm doing some quick editing right now. Erick (talk) 06:12, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Nara Lokesh

Hi In ictu oculi. I have, despite your (entirely valid) point on the talkpage, deleted Nara Lokesh; after reading through it, it struck me as pretty unsalvagable. You're right that an article on the subject is necessary, but frankly, it needs to be written from scratch by someone who doesn't have a soapbox to stand on; I wondered whether you might be willing to create it? If you want to do so, I'd be happy to provide the references from the deleted page to facilitate the process. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 10:52, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui, I think you're right frankly, the note I left on the talk page was pretty half-hearted. Will give it a thought and get back to you. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Nice work on the new version of the page. Here, for what they're worth, are the sources that were previously in the article: [13][14][15][16][17][18]. I haven't checked or vetted these, so I don't know how much use they'll be, but if you can glean some additional information from them, be my guest. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:03, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tennis/Article_guidelines#flag_icons

Hey In ictu oculi, do you have an opinion to offer here? The conversation needs some input from seasoned editors, from the Tennis project and elsewhere. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Thanks for the strawberries! After all those RM I think you deserve some baklava in return ;-) mgeo talk 21:37, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Han Nom

I have reverted your vandalism a second time.[19] Kauffner (talk) 03:22, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:OWN this is not "your article" though I do sympathize that having actually contributed an article to en.wp you want to keep it, but there is 6-1 agreement that this is a WP:FORK of Talk:Chu Nom with a title that is WP:OR and a merge should be implemented now, this weekend. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:28, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Anthony Wong (Hong Kong actor)#Requested multi-move (2013)

I have later made comments that relate to the proposal. I have posted Google results in addition to Youtube. You can read through and make your own decisions. --George Ho (talk) 05:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Partially disambiguated titles

Someone posted recently at WP:AN requesting an uninvolved admin to close Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Partially disambiguated titles. I looked at this and it seems confusing. Do you have any time to answer questions about the issue? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I do, but I must admit I'm not as clear in this area as Neelix and DickLyon and you might better ask them. To me it looks like there appears to be consensus for some tightening and clarification on WP:DAB to prevent future conflicting "primary album" MOS pages, with the exact details of the wording to be fixed at WT:DAB. As regards that wording, maybe it needs some caveat that when a second subject is a very unlikely hit, or not a real name (an English translation of a foreign name Kiss (band) vs Kiss (South Korean band)) exceptions may be allowed if local talk page consensus is established. It's only 2-3 editors with local consensus at a whole-project who set up new guidelines like the (now deleted) "primary album" that it becomes a nuisance. We don't have "primary (footballer)" and so on for a good reason. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:46, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I have some rather elementary questions. Notice this phrase: "..parenthetical disambiguation should render titles unambiguous and that, consequently, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC should only apply to titles that do not employ parenthetical disambiguation." So is this saying that Orange (film) should not take you to a page like Orange? Since I'm not up on the nuances, I get only an intuitive feeling for what is being complained about. Hopefully my intuition isn't simply wrong. The people supporting this proposal don't seem to be against WP:DDAB or WP:INCDAB. I see an objection to Kiss (band) but that name is not a redirect and it is *not* ambiguous. Are they objecting to the parentheses being used in the name? Is that considered to be an example of 'parenthetical disambiguation?' EdJohnston (talk) 03:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

As I read it, the opposite, i.e. Orange (film) would be considered an insufficient redirect and should redirect to Orange as a dab listing Orange (2010 Telugu film) and Orange (2012 film) since WP:NCF already agreed with the strengthening of dab. As I understand it films football plants etc etc were already in line with Neelix' RfC, only albums (deliberately) and songs and bands (casually) had headed off towards having primary album, primary song, primary band. That's how I read it, at least I think that's what its saying... In ictu oculi (talk) 03:37, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

So the Neelix proposal is *against* having primary band, primary album and primary song? EdJohnston (talk) 03:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, on that point at least I'm clear: "that parenthetical disambiguation should render titles unambiguous " means no more Thriller (album) (see RM) titles. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

OK, here is Neelix's paragraph that was momentarily placed in WP:DAB. From this, do we conclude that there can't be an article called Thriller (album)? EdJohnston (talk) 05:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

This diff, yes, but perhaps the consensus is for something less absolute. Allow common-sense exceptions. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me of this discussion, Ed. We believed that the proposed guideline had seven-editor consensus and not solely two or three as In ictu oculi suggests above. The purpose of this guideline is to prevent there being articles with titles that employ parenthetical disambiguators that do not serve the purpose of disambiguation (ie. even with the parenthetical disambiguator, the title can refer to multiple articles). The "common-sense exceptions" are exactly the cases this guideline is intended to address. Already, most articles that employ parenthetical disambiguation disambiguate fully (ie. the disambiguators serve their purpose). It is only in the cases where one of the articles is much more popular than the others that partially disambiguated titles tend to be used in practice, such as in the case of Tommy (film) and Tommy (1931 film) or Exodus (band) and Exodus (Polish band); the 1975 film and the American band are more popular than the 1931 film and the Polish band. In this way, editors have unofficially adopted the concept of a "second-tier" primary target as "common-sense exceptions" to the already generally accepted idea that disambiguators should disambiguate. The purpose of this guideline is to get rid of these "second-tier" primary targets (ie. move Tommy (film) to Tommy (1975 film) and move Exodus (band) to Exodus (American band). Please note that the less-absolute suggestion that In ictu oculi suggests would not not be worth making into a guideline because it would never be usable; it is only in cases where one instance of a thing is really popular that anyone advocates a "second-tier" primary target, and that is exactly the case to which In ictu oculi suggests that the guideline should not apply. Neelix (talk) 12:34, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Neelix is actually correct, I undercounted when I said two or three, it evidently has more, including myself. As I said, it might have been better to ask Neelix. The above all sounds accurate. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:40, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Ed, were you asking because you were considering closing the discussion as an uninvolved administrator? I don't know what happened to the WP:AN close request; it doesn't appear to be there anymore. Neelix (talk) 14:29, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

The original closure request that was left on AN by User:Born2cycle timed out and was archived. Someone advised posting in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure, but I don't believe anyone has done that yet. That is a separate board with a 40-day timeout. I was thinking of closing the discussion but got discouraged since I don't understand partial disambiguation. Perhaps someone can offer links to past discussions that are relevant, and I will read them? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I think the only past discussions on this topic are article-specific. Here are the only two that I know of: a 2008 discussion of Lost, a recent discussion of Angel. Neelix (talk) 14:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

TenMuses

I clicked on the contribution link you gave over at Talk:Han-Nom Research Institute. Do you think it could be some kind of vengence bot? Kauffner (talk) 05:17, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Is it you? In ictu oculi (talk) 07:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I looked at some more of the contributions, and I'd say somebody really nailed you. Kauffner (talk) 10:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Laisvės alėja

Can you post your objection on the page at WP:RM/TR? If it's only in an edit summary it is hard to track. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 00:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

You'd done something you should have never done

Thank for your encourage words, but I do NOT appreciate when you requested for my talk page to be unblocked. You'd went against my will. Last time, I already insist that I would prefer to leave my talk page to be permanently blocked and only admin can edit. Yes, my removal of warning is wrong, that means the IP who used multiples addresses to avoid 3RR rule is also wrong, that means some racist users who only target Vietnamese diacritics but not European ones are also wrong, that means some users who moved pages counter Rm results are worse than me, that means the users who massive moved pages without discussions are also worse than me.

You're one of the most intimate users that I have encounter in WP. I NEVER get tired of talking with you. Cheer. ༆ (talk) 01:26, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I clearly said to the admin I wasn't requesting action, but knowing wp norms in this matter I could expect she would unlock. So yes, I'm sorry, I apologise, and I knew you wouldn't appreciate, and I also know you wanted it locked, but as I said you can request page protection from IP abuse, this is a better way - that locks the IP who is hounding you, but allows colleagues to Talk. User Talk pages need to be open to other responsible users and to admins. They serve an important purpose on en.wp. My very highest regard again for your contributions. Please consider the wellbeing of the WP Vietnam project overall on this, the IP abuse can be dealt with in a better way. Take care. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:43, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

You're great. I can't reimburse all of your words. Furthermore, please continue to persuade admin to revert all the undiscussed page moves recently by certain someone. I want all to be reverted without any discussion. Cheer. ༆ (talk) 18:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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Stimulating interest without canvassing

I nominated some articles for deletion about a week ago, and they recently got relisted. Still, nobody is even taking interest at all. Do you know of any ways other than relisting to generate discussion for AfDs? And other than canvassing, obviously. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:54, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, not that I know of. I spotted one Hadith regarding the use of Nikah Mut'ah after Muhammad and it seemed (a) reasonably notable, (b) but too obscure for most AfD participants. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:58, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Too obscure as in, like, people won't be interested in looking it up and participading in an AfD? MezzoMezzo (talk) 10:02, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Afraid so. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:25, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Chữ nôm

My apologies that this discussion slipped my mind. However. I have no specialist knowledge about Vietnamese typography, so I couldn't have contributed much.

I see that Trịnh Kiểm is one of many article titles that Kauffner removed the diacritics from. Is there consensus that this was wrong? (and can you supply a link to document the consensus?) If so, I'll request moves back to the original name as and when I come across them. Colonies Chris (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Using WP:RM/TR

I saw your recent request in Talk:Ji-Lu Mandarin#Requested move. Can you copy-and-paste your rationale to the "Technical requests"? If so, can you undo the new request that you added? --George Ho (talk) 23:35, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Roman timekeeping system

I was thinking of moving or proposing a move for Roman timekeeping system to Roman timekeeping, since I'm not sure what "system" is meant to add. I saw you as the primary editor and article creator, so I thought I'd just ask you about it first. Cynwolfe (talk) 01:29, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Large RfC

Where is the large RfC of which you speak here? Was this about Vietnamese diacritics? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ed, it was here (attempt to total results). The results were somewhat compromised by the loaded phrasing of the question, and whether to count votes canvassed, whether the result would have been 23:10 in favour of treating Vietnamese like other Latin alphabets, or in fact 23:16 in favour counting all irrespective of canvass issues, but either way, the majority was in favour of the way WP VN's article corpus was titled in July 2011 prior to circa 1,400~1,600 undiscussed moves. Some of those articles of course were created pre-2005~06 and therefore prior the overall adoption of more-than-ASCII fonts across wikipedia, so some had in fact been originally created at ASCII titles, just as many Polish and Czech ones were pre-2005~06, and moved without RM, as seems to have uncontroversial back then, per my understanding, but confirmed by veteran editor Minh Nguyễn here. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for replying to this.
My only aim here was to neutralize the term, and I’m mindful that the perfect is the enemy of the good. I’m aware the terms I’ve chosen may not be academically sound, but for a dab page to work, the terms have to be somewhat related, so the article titles themselves won’t do. And I looked for at least three of them so TWODABS wouldn’t be an issue. If the current terms are no good at all, and you know of any others that would fit the bill then I’m open to suggestion; but are you OK in principle with the change of use? Moonraker12 (talk) 23:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Another undiscussed RM by a certain editor, and the confusions of a CfR now still unresolved.

Please see most recent comments at the [Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_May_3#Sto:lo_categories|Sto:lo CfR]], which remains unresolved now six weeks since it began. And note the other two unresolved CfRs from the same date, and that I moved Nuxalk with an accent to Nuxalk people to try to resolve that CfR to Category:Nuxalk from the accented version, though I would prefer it simply be at Nuxalk, and that all the "FOO people" ("[endonym] people") speedies should all be reverted not just because undicussed, but also because they are culturally inappropriate; some were anglicized, like Secwepemc/Shuswap people, but I did not propose RMs on them...e.g. Dakelh is now Carrier people, again by a speedy without RM....and guess by who? That category, for now, is still Category:Dakelh and Category:Dakelh people is for "People who are Dakelh" and has, so far, not been speeedied to match the un-RMd-but-speedied main article title....as has been the case with the also unresolved Skwxwu7mesh/Squamish people CfR, though that one was indeed RMd...but the choice of the endonyms, as explained before, goes back to the creation of these articles by informed authors, not by people running amuck with a a guideline in their hand and changing things willy-nilly without regard to the facts on the ground, or why those names were the way they were. Somebody needs a spanking......and the endonym-named articles and templates should be, as Obi Wan in at least one of the CfRs or RMs now closed, "locked" or with a special template noting they should not be changed again. I'm the "informed" editor on these subjects, alongside a few others from BC, and interloping by people who only know their guidelines and what the common terms are for THEM, is a big problem; I've had no "bites" on my attempts to start a guideline discussion about these matters, and am kinda exhausted about it all......and know my writing energies and information/knowledge are maybe spent elsewhere; and I know others feel the same way, and dread the inevitable MOS-type debates towards those guidelines; informed editors are fewer and fewer in number......it seems clear why. I don't want to be an admin and obviously don't have the fake-humble tongue needed to get approval, but is there any way I myself can jump past redirects caused by such speedies and fix these matters without having to go to war in a CfR or RM to get what is correct and viable, without having to explain things over and over again to 5-20 different people? And then hope for a wise admin capable of wading past the verbiage and "getting the point" and doing the right thing? Seems like a bulk RM is needed, to, to fix the "FOO people" changes which someone - Obi Wan - said "we" use....who is "we"??? Certainly not me....Skookum1 (talk) 18:42, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Ivy Ling Po RM

Hi IIO, would you mind clarifying for me your position at Talk:Ivy Ling Po#Requested move? Your initial comment seemed supportive of the move, but I wasn't sure if your second comment represented a change of heart. Thanks, BDD (talk) 06:29, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Gospel of the Ebionites FAR

Hi. I have been busy away from wikipedia for a while, I think about a month and a half, developing a list of those reference sources which have been regarded by the American Library Association as the best reference sources of the year, among other things, in preparation for maybe starting some sort of effort to draft guidelines for religion, politics, philosophy, and other sorts of "beliefs"/"ideas". I have noticed that the article above is currently being considered for FA status. I haven't specifically checked it against those sources which have been regarded as the best reference sources by the ALA, sources like the Anchor Bible Dictionary, but I do have some concerns regarding the matter. One, I note that the Anchor Bible Dictionary in its article on the Gospel of the Ebionites specifically indicates that the tense of the extant quotations is not consistent, and that source states that there may well be some reason, on that basis, to question whether the document as it survives is actually one document, rather than one stand-alone source. I was wondering why you, who are at least one of the more reliable and reasonable editors on matters of early Christianity/Christian Bible, seem not to have been very heavily involved in this matter. John Carter (talk) 19:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Good to hear from you. In all fairness I was asked re GA status, and I also looked at the ABD - though didn't note that particular point. I was just absent on that topic I suppose. Also meant not keeping an eye on other articles, and not noticing for example the WP:FRINGE returning on Gospel of Matthew. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:04, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

One of the things I tried to do during my recent self imposed break was try to get together some basic ideas which might be useful in drafting guidelines for "beliefs" of all sorts. Unfortunately, I also knew that if I kept coming back here at all during that time, I would basically never actually get to the point of finishing getting together ideas for guidelines. I hope, by basically the end of this week, to get together some people to discuss such possible guidelines. And I very definitely believe that fringe beliefs, including beliefs of non-notable or barely notable religious groups, will certainly be one of the major points of discussion. I can also try to get together some ideas regarding that particular article, which with any luck I can present by Thursday or so in the FAC discussion. John Carter (talk) 20:21, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Gospel of the Ebionites FAC

In ictu oculi, as nominator of the GEbi article for GAN review, if you have any suggestions for ways to further improve the article, please leave your detailed comments at FAC and I will attempt to address them. Otherwise, I would appreciate your statement of support to move this thing over the finish line. Thank you. Ignocrates (talk) 09:03, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I noticed you left a preliminary comment at FAC. Thanks for taking the time to reread the article and comment. This nomination has been hanging out there for 7 weeks as of today and needs a bit of a push. Ignocrates (talk) 12:40, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

The article was promoted to FA today. I wasn't sure if you were planning to return with more comments. If so, please leave them on the article talk page and I will address them anyway. Congratulations! Even though you were a minor contributor in terms of number of edits, they were not at all minor in terms of quality. Ignocrates (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi In ictu oculi, I don't think you and I have ever interacted before, but I wanted to say thanks to you for the explanation you gave on Ymblanter's talk page to that user who wants to, quite simply, destroy value in all our Russian articles. Your analysis matches what me and others have already explained to him and other users at the WP Russia talk page. I hope they've understood it now, because as I've seen that you know, it's ridiculous to reduce the value of our articles for the benefit of nobody. Azylber (talk) 22:24, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move of Deadmaus

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Deadmaus#Requested_move_3_.28to_.22Joel_Zimmerman.22.29. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:22, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Tedderbot Slovakia results

Hi, Tedderbot already includes Slovakia in its run. I have added the results to Wikipedia:WikiProject Slovakia/New article announcements. --Bamyers99 (talk) 23:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Bamyers99 many thanks - a nice little bot. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

ouch.

That was a bit disappointing - it seems like you are !voting to make an example out of me... And then also worrying about things B2C said. My close has nothing to do with yogurt and i dont agree with that essay. I hope you'll consider reading the RM and rereading my close, perhaps on second reading you may see my logic? Cheers, --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 02:48, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Obiwankenobi, sorry old chap, yes I thought it was clear, but I've added what I hope is crystal clarification - If you look at B2C own supervote close over 4:2 on reverting undiscussed move at Leipzig Hauptbahnhof you can see why you don't need that kind of support. It's unfortunate because of all the non-admin closes recently yours is about the only one with no problem. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:27, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

hi thanks for the clarification. I don't follow B2C so I wasnt aware there were controversial non admin closes. Otoh, Nathan Johnson, a non admin, has been closing things recently, and when disputed at ANI it was closed as 'admins aren't better closers than non-admins' more or less. All that said, your comment still comes off as a sort of quid pro quo - I'll endorse, but only if ... So it still reads as an overturn. If I may be a bold, perhaps you could reword the very first sentence to read endorse close, but reject yogurt rule and use of this close as a precedent or something similar. Otherwise, your main !vote still looks like overturn (which perhaps it is, but I thought you were saying on merits it's an endorse. Anyway, cheers as always. How goes the diacritics debate? I stepped away from that a while back... --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 11:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Will do, (done), that says what I think so no problem. Diacritics? Other than Vietnamese of course... for whatever reason, white man's diacritics were accepted with Talk:Dominik Halmoši, occasional disruptive embers fizzle now and then. Thanks for asking though. I see bigger problems, intractable problems, with religious fringe editing; handful of diligent project editors vs dozens of fringe SPAs. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, sometimes the deeper you look under the covers, the scarier this place looks. I am heartened, however, to read the article on Israel/Palestine conflict. This is (obviously) one of the most edited/warred articles in the history of mankind, and the mess behind the scenes (which I've only recently looked at) is unbelievable. But the output for the reader is, in my view, a rather neutral and decent summary of the main themes. So sometimes its better to not know about how the sausage is made. Thanks for making the change. For a long time I've decided I didn't want/need an admin bit, but after the vicious attacks over on the other page vs judgement-by-its-merits, it's making me reconsider...--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Is something up?

Hi, I hate to see it but you've taken issue to several of my !votes recently--is there something that you've picked up on that I should be fixing? Is something the matter? Red Slash 09:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry User:Red Slash but yes, there have been four or five which have been among the worst, in the sense of random, I've seen on the last 2 years at WP:RM. It's good that you ask though. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Chinese surnames

I've seen your input around, and usually we largely agree on things (or at least I usually respect your input!) so I was surprised by your take here. Would you not support a merge of all variations to simply Li (surname) for the benefit of people who do not have expert knowledge of written Chinese? --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Rob, I've seen you around and mutual. A shame your interests don't extend to Vietnam. Yes, maybe if we were starting from scratch, but the problem is these names aren't really all Li. They've converged on Li in pinyin, but pinyin is even today only a point in time and geography. What would be useful is a decent more-than-disamb page giving the four or five main Li-pinyin names and summarizing the main differences, which is what a non-specialist wants to know. Which is what you're proposing in fact as an umbrella. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm coming from the perspective of the casual reader who doesn't know the difference in the first place. They know there's a Chinese surname "Li" and they want to read about it. Where would they go? "Li (surname)" seems the only choice. Yes, umbrella article if you will, but it needs to cover all possibilities. I don't think it would warrant breakout articles for the individual origins. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, but breakouts can't be avoided and that's what the {main|pipeline} template is for, otherwise we'd have no separate articles for any of the "100" names. A couple of these converged at Li names are highly notable, separately. We will still need name titles that have the glyphs, I can't see any way around that. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:29, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

No, we really can't use glyphs. They mean nothing to the vast majority of English-language readers, are not on a keyboard, and it's against policy. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Why do the vast majority of English-language users need to look at a detailed sub-article about a Chinese name in the first place? And why would they be so [insert adjective of choice] at something being there for the benefit of other users? I've never seen anyone cause a scene at a Chinese takeaway because the left hand side of the menu has Chinese. The point is we don't just write articles for people who know nothing - this is an encyclopaedia. I have asked on the RM Talk page if anyone knows of any book on Chinese names which doesn't use Chinese characters to distinguish names where pinyin can't? If someone knows an English book on Chinese names that doesn't use characters, fine, but in 20 years I've never seen one. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:55, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I have no problem with it in the text of the article, but how will anyone find it on a keyboard when searching for the article? More importantly, how will they know which article they are looking for? But this is all the more reason not to have separate articles. Policy says that article titles should be transliterated, and this is what we should do. --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

They are transliterated. Anyway, I've continued comment on Talk. This is a unique situation and requires a unique solution. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I feel like I need to explain why I didn't just BRD the disruptive move: that avenue was closed because all Chinese characters got blacklisted in the page title. It didn't used to be this way :( _dk (talk) 08:41, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll just butt in here and say you ought to mention that at the painfully large discussion, if you haven't already. Going back to not being a talk page stalker now.  — TORTOISEWRATH 02:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I prefer not to unnecessarily fan the flames either way. You can mention this fact there if you feel the need to. _dk (talk) 04:53, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi DK, no thanks, I think like you I'm done with that RM. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

William Sewell

Since you commented on the move request, I have added page views as evidence of the lack of the page being the primary topic. I'm assuming that you haven't watchlisted that page, so I invite you to take another look. Schwede66 02:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Dragan Milonić

Hello In ictu oculi. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Dragan Milonić, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not blatantly vandalism or a hoax. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 17:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, okay but the hoax? tag remains I see ? There is no trace of this individual, how is that possible? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:G3 is for hoaxes that are obvious on their face. Somebody believes this article is a hoax, but it isn't a blatant hoax.

If there's no evidence that this person exists, try WP:PROD or WP:AfD. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:00, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I would have said these 3 articles are all obvious on the face. But okay. Understood. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Kiki jebacina

Hello In ictu oculi, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I deleted Kiki jebacina, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow and specific, and the process is more effective if the correct criterion is used. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. w^{L<speak·check>} 01:49, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes I've looked before, but thanks. You did it on a G1 rather than a G3? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

thanks man

li people, lisu people has surname Li, so need the part of Li people in Li surname page, surly old chinese getsurname tribe name, i think a li people's link look like not bad, your think a bad that link? sorry, i think that link need.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmotbmot (talk • contribs) 06:50, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Feng, etc

Per policy, we should not be including Chinese characters in our article titles. You know this, as we are currently embroiled in a long debate about it, and I don't think it's helpful to exacerbate the issue by introducing new, barely notable stubs with inappropriate disambiguation while the discussion is still underway. It's not dissimilar to the conduct of our friend. --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:45, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Rob, I will discuss this at the RM. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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John Penrice

Dear Friend, I have created an article on John Penrice. He produced an important lexicon / glossary of the Quran/Koran Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran published in 1873. I wonder if you have access to some Index/Biographical database, that may bring some details about John Penrice ? Thanks. Sincerely.--Drali1954 (talk) 03:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, not coming up with anything. Ran all the variables, but only found another soldier, H.N. Penrice, military engineer. Possibly his father or brother. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:04, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you friend. You added "Major John Penrice". I wonder if he were a military man? for the kind of classical work he produced. Be well. --Drali1954 (talk) 06:20, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

hmmm. I think I have found the right Penrice !! -- "A major in the Norfolk Artillery, Penrice exhibited calotypes and waxed-paper architectural and landscape views in the 1854 and 1855 Photographic Society exhibitions in London and in the 1855 London Photographic Institution exhibition. His work after that was in collodion. A complex character, Penrice eventually became a justice of the peace in Norfolk. In 1844, on the death of his father, he sent twenty-five major paintings from Wilton House, the family home near Yarmouth in Norfolk, to Messrs. Christie and Manson. Some of these are in the National Gallery, London, and The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York. In 1861 he published The Valley of the Nile, a series of one hundred stereoscopic views taken in Egypt and Nubia. Although Penrice’s photographs are now virtually unknown, his 1873 Dictionary and Glossary of the Kor-ân was such a substantial piece of scholarship that an edition of it is still in print. Roger Taylor & Larry J. Schaaf Impressed by Light: British Photographs from Paper Negatives, 1840-1860 (Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, 2007) This biography is courtesy and copyright of the Metropolitan Museum of Art and is included here with permission. Date last updated: 4 Nov 2012. " [20] Will you confirm it? Drali1954 (talk) 06:36, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Found his father then him in Burke's Peerage In ictu oculi (talk) 08:27, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh I am so thankful. Now the article is complete ! Regards. Drali1954 (talk) 08:22, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, you did the work here. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:27, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Friend, I thought you might like to go through a Bibliography of 140 works, I have added to my article The English Commentary of the Holy Quran. May be some of them are of interest to you. Regards.Drali1954 (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Li surname RM

It has become very clear that there is an active dispute between just the two of us, besides that at the RM. I don't think it's going to resolve itself, and at this point I'd like to very strongly suggest that you agree to seek a third opinion. The mindless bickering that we're both spewing at one another at this point is useless.  — TORTOISEWRATH 17:16, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I've never seen you other than that RM. And there, well. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:39, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

GEbi POV?

Please comment at the end of Talk:Gospel of the Ebionites#Question of POV if you have anything else to contribute to the ongoing discussion. Thank you. Ignocrates (talk) 15:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Vietnamese

I swear I saw it somewhere, that the use of the conventional alphabet for Vietnamese names was because of how complex theirs is, I just went by Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Vietnamese)#Style Guides. I mean, come on. VEO^onefive 00:12, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Yes Ê#Vietnamese presents a level of complexity, which perhaps partly explains why the RfC was only 23-16 majority. I'm just alerting you that Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Vietnamese) is not an adopted Wikipedia:Naming conventions, it is not even a draft proposal -- though there's no way you or any other User could know this with the tag removed. Thanks again for your edits. :) In ictu oculi (talk) 00:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Friend

Hi Friend, I feel so good every time I approach you for your kindly responses. An editor has placed the "notability" tag to my article The Holy Quran - Arabic Text and English translation, if you think the tag may be removed, please guide. Sincerely. --Drali1954 (talk) 07:10, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for going through the page The Holy Quran - Arabic Text and English translation.--Drali1954 (talk) 05:23, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

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Barak Feldman

Hello In ictu oculi. Thank you for adding a source to Barak Feldman. I can't read Hebrew, but based Google Translate it looks like that is a search engine result for dance lessons given by an instructor named Feldman. If you read Hebrew, maybe you could copy the sources from the Hebrew-language page into the English page? Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 05:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, I appear to have copied the wrong link, that isn't the one on the he.wp article. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:47, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Continue to retain Vietnamese diacritics

I did read [21] and I don't buy it either. For some parts, it mention that we use some similar spelling such as those in media articles. This logical idea is NOT worthy enough. Because according to that logic, it is also applicable to many other Latin-alphabet languages. Such as the case here, you can see it, the sources EXCLUSIVELY spell it as "Moraca" and NOT "Morača" such as in Wikipedia. You should mention this on your comments against future diacritic removals. Now we see clear and clear. Except for anglicized words, we write other words without diacritics because that is convenience in typing. But here on Wikipedia we generally keep diacritics for non-anglicized words. Our stance will not change. ༆ (talk) 00:38, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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Province renaming proposal

Hi IIO - I see there haven't been many contributions to the discussion at Talk:Bac Ninh Province. Would it be considered canvassing to notify all the participants (both pro and anti) from the earlier move discussion at Talk:Cà Mau? Colonies Chris (talk) 09:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Good question. WP:CANVASSING does allow "The talk page of one or more articles, WikiProjects, or other Wikipedia collaborations directly related to the topic under discussion." so leaving a note there with a clear edit summary as the locus of previous discussion would immediately catch those who watchlisted it. But that may be none. As far as directly notifying - there have been 3 geo RMs (which are the 3 at Talk:Cà Mau), and a 4th on the capitalization of Province at Talk:An Giang Province, provided there's no picking and choosing, that all 4 RMs (which will have some duplicate participants anyway) are notified it can't be seen as picking and choosing. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:59, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

OK, I've notified every editor who participated in either of those two discussions. Colonies Chris (talk) 12:40, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

plums

I was earlier onboard with having a translation in the title, but @Mythsearcher: makes a good point, which is that many of these modern meanings may be more accidents of language than origin stories. Teasing that out can be done in article, but placing in the title gives it an air of authority which is in some cases misplaced.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 06:24, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I saw. True, the modern meaning is often untenable in surname context, but the Baijiaxing usually gives at least one or two disambiguator-suitable readings - just needs a bit of care in picking them, still better than nothing I think. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:38, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

You may have misunderstood the point I was making - which was that you can have a clickable-title that is chock full of stuff, even if the actual title itself is sparse. Thus,

• Lǐ (李), surname meaning plum or plum tree, most popular name in China - so we could describe the link with lots of context, but the title remains <transliteration> "surname" <character>. But I won't block if consensus is to have a translation, just I felt some made a good argument why this is silly (like Sandy for example).--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 00:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I've seen those arguments, but the fact is that the Baijiaxing does offer up "plum" type disambiguators on most names, many Chinese (apart from their own family name) won't know the true historical derivation of the other 500+ names, so a bit of liberty can be used. Even the name which now means "concubine" can be fixed.

I'm more interested to know if anyone in your view has offered a cogent reason as to how anyone is "helped" by deleting 李 from Lǐ (surname 李 plum) and having only Lǐ (surname __ plum). I have asked that question several times of the editors most against the 李 in Lǐ (surname 李 plum) and haven't noticed a cogent User-helpfulness based reason. Maybe I'm missing it, have you? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:01, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

no, I haven't seen anything convincing on that front. Esp since the articles themselves will always be littered with Chinese characters, we're hardly saving the user any pain and suffering by just eliminating it in the title. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 04:20, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, I am really against having a strange translation in the title which is not related, and pretty much just as uninformative as the Chinese character. So the only thing that helps is the Chinese character itself that gives a good imagery guide to readers. Which is being against in the WP:UE talk page just because it is against policy, and I think it is just WP:BURO since none of the people against the Chinese character gives better solution and only "its against the rules" type of comment and equally unhelpful options. I just really hate the "consensus" armour they are putting up with the WP:IDONTWANNACHANGE attitude. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearcher^talk 15:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

User:Mythsearcher I sympathize, fortunately "consensus" isn't determined by noise, and there are more editors numerically who aren't doing that. It is possible to avoid a strange translation in the title which is not related, I agree we shouldn't randomly just assign the modern meaning Lǐ (surname 李 plum), etc, it should be Lǐ (surname 李 sensible meaning supported by Baijiaxing). What do you think are the 2 or 3 most difficult to provide an English-description surnames? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'd say even for the Chinese natives, most people can't understand any of the English-descriptions. For the more common ones, I'd say actually the pretty common 5, 陳李張黃何 are already all kinda hard to understand with just the English-description, with the exception of 黃, which will mostly be translated as "yellow" with little disambiguation. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearcher^talk 16:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

GHeb peer review

I could use your advice and counsel in peer review. Specifically, see Talk:Gospel of the Hebrews#Peer review and the question I asked about how to handle the saying attributed to Cyril of Jerusalem and the resulting claims about the pre-existence and incarnation of Jesus that depend on that saying. Please leave an opinion there. Also, if you could contribute to a peer review of the article that would be a big help. Thank you. Ignocrates (talk) 04:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Btw, if you have any further suggestions for improving the GEbi article, please add them to the talk page of that article. An independent WP:3O review of the sources was just completed. Weigh in there too if you think anything was missed. The goal is to make sure this article can pass a rigorous review in FAR. Ignocrates (talk) 04:22, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hey! thanks for correcting that :P some...guy deleted almost all the contribution I made to the biography of Shi De Yang...I'll try to upload everything again :S if you can could you advise the editing?

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Hi dear friend, here is an unknown editor with IP: ‎118.67.228.162 who repeatedly deletes an entry from the article Majaddid [22]... how do you manage such an issue please? Any solution? (I shall not insist if you think he does it rightly) :-) --Drali1954 (talk) 08:41, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I get tired with the 2 IPs 113 and 123. Either 1 persons or 2 persons, he/she/they still repeats his/her/their delicate trick of using multiple IP addresses to avoid 3RR rule. We're not afraid of them. ༆ (talk) 09:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I have never tried to look for the etymology of the word "Hong Bang" before. Furthermore, that is not my interested thing to do. And like I said before, my English is not really influenced so it might be hard for me to put something the request move, so you could do it for me and inform me about it. As Kauffner moved the page by stripping of Vietnamese diacritics, he also decapitalized the word "dynasty" by saying that more recently people write the word in lower-case. But I oppose because it is the title so it's ok to give some exception. If you check, Chinese dynasties also meet the same logic. Last time when I clashed with him, he mentioned about this but I bet he (and I too) didnt dare to rename Chinese dynasty articles because that would encounter a considerable number of oppositions. So I prefer move them back with both diacritics and upper-case "dynasty". In the future, if you created more article about the Hong Bang period, well dont mention words such as "mythology" and "legendary". Just write it as normally as the story goes on. ༆ (talk) 06:16, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Douro

Thank you very much for that, and apologies for the slow reply. I will watch with interest to see how it now develops. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 07:56, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Kauffner vandals

Hi, thank you for still caring about my efforts. I have written a bunch of DYK articles, and most of the articles about historical figures were falsely renamed by Kauffner without any consultation with me. I got tired of him already, and it seems that even the responsible guys here in English Wikipedia do not care to prevent him from making such damages, that's why I stopped writing here for quite a while already, it means nothing to write a good articles and to see that article renamed by an ignorant. Thank you again for your concern! Grenouille vert (talk) 07:53, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Kauffner has been blocked permanently. I hope the diacritics war is over. ༆ (talk) 09:01, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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Nguyễn

I've been pondering about what to do at the Nguyễn Dynasty RM, but it brought another question to mind that I thought I'd ask you about. In the Nguyễn article, it says that "Nguyễn" is the 7th most popular surname in Australia, 54th in France, 57th in the U.S., etc. Of course, in each of those countries, it's rendered "Nguyen", which is why we have articles such as Dat Nguyen. So my question for you is, what impact should the popularity of this surname in countries without Vietnamese diacritics have on how we render it on WP? Wouldn't it be more accurate to use the version of a word that's actually used in that place? Compare how the French WP handles this. It uses both Nguyễn and Nguyen, depending on context. Wouldn't it be more accurate to state that "Nguyen" is the 7th most popular surname in Australia? Just curious what you think... Dohn joe (talk) 04:28, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

What do I think? I think you should back away from the horse and find something useful to do that will contribute to article space. Nguyễn Dynasty is not an Australian dynasty. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Never mind. I was genuinely interested in your thoughts, and hoped we could have a constructive conversation. Maybe I'll try again some other time. Dohn joe (talk) 04:32, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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I am editing at 2 am, at this moment I won't notify other projects (because there are many of them which are afected, including VG, FILM, TV, MAC, COMP, BOOKS, FOOTY, BIOGRAPHIES, BIOLOGY, etc, in short, any that has a NC page. There should be an explanation why this affects the project articles, not only a formal invitation to discuss this. I have notified those who commented at VPP and some RM discussions, but I will notify more people in the next days (It is an RFC it can lasts weeks if needed). As I said the intention is to have a real consensus, larger than a twelve people consensus which affects many articles, not only ten or fifthteen, this guide may affect already dabbed articles like Cameron's Titanic if WP:NCF is contested for example, or if a new footballer emerges. Some of the things I said there are based upon a discussion at WT:D, the dfference is that that discussion lasted like two weeks and many users commented but nothing was done to improve it, merge it or remove it, as suggested. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 07:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Sources needed for GEbi FAR

A few questions came up on the article talk page and in FAR about material you contributed to the Gospel of the Ebionites article. I am trying to preserve this content and I could use your help as follows:

The term Gospel of the Ebionites is a scholarly convention in use at least as early as the French priest Richard Simon (1689); however no surviving document of the early church mentions a gospel by that name.

1. Do you have a reliable secondary source that mentions Richard Simon and his first use of the term Gospel of the Ebionites? The reviewers are asking for that reference to supplement Simon as a source.

Epiphanius complains that the Ebionites have falsified the text by substituting the word "cake" (egkris ἐγκρίς) for "locust" (akris ἀκρίς, in Matthew 3:4).

2. Why did you use Pape instead of a more modern source? The reviewers are questioning the age of the source. I would like to keep Pape in there, but I need to explain why Pape matters in a note or else add a modern secondary source that mentions Pape.

Thanks in advance for pitching in to help out. Btw, the FAR page is open if you care to leave a comment. Ignocrates (talk) 20:43, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

1. Richard Simon should be "as early as", as article currently says, I suspect he's only the first in French, not Latin. Histoire critique du texte du Nouveau Testament, où l'on établit ... 1689 - Page 90 "On peut juger par ce que nous venons de rapporter de l'Evangile des Ebionites , que l'ordre des paroles n'y estoit pas tout- à-fait ..."

2. Pape just came to hand, if a more modern source says the same thing can it can be substituted. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I can address the first objection by simply rearranging the sentences as follows:

The term Gospel of the Ebionites is a scholarly convention; no surviving document of the early church mentions a gospel by that name. However, it was in use at least as early as the French priest Richard Simon (1689);

1. The reviewer was objecting to mixing the use of Gospel of the Ebionites as a scholarly convention (which he apparently read as an unsourced statement) and its use by Richard Simon. Rearranging the sentences fixes that ambiguity.

2. I'm going to substitute a modern source for Pape like Cameron or Ehrman, since you are ok with making that change.

I think that about covers it. Thanks again. Ignocrates (talk) 02:32, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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Can you weigh in with a WP:3O at Talk:Gospel of the Ebionites#Neutrality tag? The discussion is about the proper WP:WEIGHT for Marie-Emile Boismard's conjecture about a hypothetical Hebrew Gospel of Matthew as an underlying source for the Gospel of the Ebionites. See note 52 in the Gospel of the Ebionites#Relationship to other texts section. Thank you. Ignocrates (talk) 16:21, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for responding so promptly. Ignocrates (talk) 00:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed Serbian diacritic moves

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Hi, IIO. Hijiri88 here. Long time no see! I'm editing under a proxy username in order to keep JoshuSasori off my back for at least the next few days. Anyway, just thought I should mention that I brought your name up in my ANI posting. Cheers! Coldman the Barbarian (talk) 12:00, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to see this, what a pain. I did look at ANI but didn't think I could give any immediate input. Good luck. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:25, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Duplicate name in basic ASCII character set

I'm not sure that the consensus reached could be extended in any meaningful way to the example you give for a few reasons - a) obviously the question wasn't asked, b) you could conceivably be losing information (what the diacritics are) and c) I think it would likely depend on what the person themselves wanted to be known as. Having read this RfC and some of the previous discussion I think the consensus would be that we should have both the title of the article and the name used in the article being the spelling used by the person. In the case where that includes diacritics then obviously the RfC would apply and in the case where it didn't I thikn a and b come into play and I currently have no idea of what the consensus would be. All that said that is my best guess of what consensus is and I don't think from this RfC, or what I've read elsewhere, that there's a clear enough consensus to be acted on. As a personal opinion I think having the title different to what's used in the lead as in your Eric Lanlard example and I remember some discussion about this before but really can't remember where or what the outcome was. Dpmuk (talk) 03:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Dpmuk, that's fine that's pretty much my feeling as well. I think such cases would have to be conducted on a case by case basis - because there must be some special reason (as Eric Lanlard) why the title is at an English name in the first place. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:24, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I think a case by case basis is probably best. And I meant to say that I really don't like having the title different to what's used in the lead but must have got distracted trying to remember where it had been discussed before and forgot to say that. But as you say there can be special reasons and I don't know enough about that subject to comment on it. Dpmuk (talk) 03:31, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Dpmuk, well in the case of Eric Lanlard he lives in UK and is known on UK TV, but as a French citizen his WP:FULLNAME still applies in the lead, presumably. But anyway in the event (I pray not) that a follow up RfC is needed, would it be best to notify everyone who took part in the previous RfC? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:07, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree that WP:FULLNAME does seem to answer it but in that case it just looks silly - it looks like it's a technical limitation of wikipedia rather than something we've decided on. As for letting people know if there is another RfC (and I hope not to), yes I think, on balance, it's probably a good idea. Given how one sided that first RfC was I'd be a little concerned that, even if you let everyone know, some people would consider it canvassing but I think that's the better option than not letting potential opponents know - especially given some of the comments in that last RfC. Dpmuk (talk) 04:56, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Nguyễn 2

I responded to some comments you made here. —  AjaxSmack  04:36, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the rollback for Duc Duc

Hello, I noticed that you rolled back the changes made to the infobox on the Dục_Đức article. My intention at the time was the make the infobox more consistent with the ones used for other kings of the Nguyen Dynasty, however, I had no particular preference as to which one should be used. In any case, apologies for the trouble caused. Cheers, Ph0kin (talk) 23:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Not at all, problem with recent multiple new infoboxes, thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:29, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

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It was quite delicious. Thank you.  :) --Ph0kin (talk) 04:53, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Please have a look at Talk:Team handball#Requested move. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

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Lists of pilots awarded ... reasons for description as Start class

As the creator and one of the main contributors to the list articles of pilots awarded licences in the early days of aviation, I would be interested to know why you have classified them as "Start class". Given the closed nature of such lists, the fact that there are entries for all of the pilots and short biographical details for most of them, not to mention the time and effort of several editors involved in locating, collating and tabulating the data, I feel that 'start' is incorrect. Don't get me wrong - I'm not annoyed, just genuinely interested in the reasons for this classification. Thanks. --TraceyR (talk) 06:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I simply copied the full Talk template (including rating) from the 1 which had been rated to the 3 which had redlink Talk pages, I actually had the same question, but since I am not an active member of that project I thought it safer to copy consistently with the one page which had been rated. Personally I would shift the rating of all 4 upwards for the reason you mention, and encourage you to do so. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll do as you suggest and see if there are any objections. --TraceyR (talk) 07:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Lists in most projects are actually classed as "List"-class. -- Agathoclea (talk) 07:58, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

So I discovered! They have been classified as lists. Is no distinction made between 'good' and 'less good' lists? --TraceyR (talk) 13:09, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

The next step is a featured list as far as I know. Agathoclea (talk) 18:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Kauffner

There is another sleeper sock that just became active. It is time to start a ban discussion. The sleeper socks make it obvious he has not interest in working productivly with the community but a few more background infos would not hurt. You got a good memory I hope. I have a vague recollection of a few cases where he deliberately misstated sources to get his way in RMs. Can you dig those out? Agathoclea (talk) 07:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Is socking still a problem? bobrayner (talk) 19:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for yours at my Talk page. But I'm not enough of a WP initiate to always catch things: Are you suggesting that Kauffner may be back as "WeldNeck," intervening in the No Gun Ri article? Thanks. Charles J. Hanley 17:29, 13 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjhanley (talk • contribs)

Hi, I actually thought the second redlink was more of a fit. But no, although that page is on my watchlist and bleeps a lot I don't follow the bleeps so do more than just inform you as I did. Good luck. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:32, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Berlin

Hi IIO. Hey listen, I really don't want to fall out with other editors simply because we disagree on the naming of an article. Both of us have contributed a lot to Wikipedia and, sometimes, in similar areas. Whichever way the Berlin article goes, I'd like to continue to work with you and others to make Wikipedia a better product. Regards. Bermicourt (talk) 17:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Bermicourt You don't seem to understand, WP:CANVASSING is not acceptable, particularly when it is this obvious. You should gracefully apologize to the other editors. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't really referring to WP:CANVASSING - I have apologized for that now I realize what it says. I'm referring to us working together on stuff in future as fellow editors. There's always a danger that when editors disagree over even one issue, they fall out and waste a lot of time arguing over other stuff. I see it at work too, sadly. --Bermicourt (talk) 18:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm unlikely to even remember. I take things on a case by case basis. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:27, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

A good approach. Thanks. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Winterthur Hauptbahnhof

Hi. You ask is Winterthur Hauptbahnhof the only Swiss Hauptbahnhof affected by the 121 undiscussed moves?. I believe so. We successfully defended Zurich Hauptbahnhof against rename a while ago, and there are no other Swiss railway station articles named * Hauptbahnhof, * Central Station, * main station or similar. I think the Swiss were just more sparing in the use of Hauptbahnhof than the Germans or the Austrians, so there was less opportunity for this mess to arise there. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 14:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

My apologies

In ictu oculi, I think I screwed up your move of the article on Étienne Laurent Joseph Hippolyte Boyer de Fonscolombe. I thought I was helping but I didn't really know what I was doing and now I see that you clearly do a lot with moving pages and retitling articles. It was my first move and I'm not sure how to undo it. I'm sorry for my mistake and any extra work I've caused you. NewJerseyLiz ^{face="Times New Roman" color="Navy">Let's Talk} 20:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes I update articles according to WP:FRMOS when I find them. No damage done. Since French sources are inconsistent in the hyphenization of long first names like this it is common that title and lede do not agree. The hyphens are a stylistic measure in French. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:50, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Nguyen

As I mentioned in the talk page, I would prefer the title with the diacritics, as the arguments about UE are not persuasive. There seems to be a double standard in this matter with regards to Eastern European names. Unfortunately, Vietnamese-speaking Wikipedians are not very active on the English Wikipedia due to the language barrier. DHN (talk) 06:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Hof Hauptbahnhof

Hi IIO. I thought we were going to have a proper discussion about the naming of the Cat 1 stations, involving the relevant WikiProjects, and then use that as the basis for all Hauptbahnhöfe articles, rather than a piecemeal approach of what is a controversial area. If that's not the case, I'd like to understand how we're now taking this forward. --Bermicourt (talk) 12:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

We're waiting for User:Wheeltapper or one of the other editors to put in a a multi RM with 14 specimen stations. You could remind them. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:07, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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Various Japanese emperors (and apparently one modern mystery writer and one historical province)

Hi IIO. Regarding this edit: you meant it as a rhetorical question, right? Assuming you did, I really didn't want to mess it up by answering on there, but your earlier !vote implied you hadn't checked the guideline yourself so I was a little concerned. Cheers! Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

At the time I supported I hadn't checked the MOS, since I trust you to read it correctly, I have since checked and of course you did. No, my question was not rhetorical, I wanted the two users to look for themselves. But does [User:...] actually work as a "ping"? Last time I looked they hadn't come back. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. It does really annoy me when users show up once and make a flawed argument, then I demonstrate why it doesn't count, but they don't come back so it still ends with "no consensus". Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:35, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Well - I've seen a different "ping" template - one that works better, but can't find it. I just notified Necrothesp on his/her talk page. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:48, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

User: is supposed to work. Simply "ping" also works. But they rely on the user either having email notices turned on or on them logging in noticing the little red box next to their user name. HTH. —LuisVilla (talk) 22:52, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I feel nostalgic for the Orange Bar Of Doom. It was hard to miss that. bobrayner (talk) 00:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Profeti

I heard an interesting concert with Profeti della Quinta, had no idea of Rossi's compositions for the synagogue. (concert moderator pictured on top of my talk) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Two composer red links (but blue on de) that may interest you, here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Advice on uploading images with expired copyright

I was wondering if you could help me. I am interested in uploading an image (to wiki commons) which is an illustration from hundreds of years ago (to enrich an article). I assume any such illustrations are in the public domain, are they not - due to their age? But how can I go about proving that the image in question is indeed that old, as the image source (an article) doesn't explicitly state the age/origin date (but the images themselves are pretty well known, which is how I know). Thank you. Kamoozida (talk) 00:49, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I would name an approximate date and explain why in the UPLOADWIZARD comment box. Good luck. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:46, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Gospel of the Hebrews

The above page is currently a GA nominee. I think it might not be unreasonable to have someone review it, possibly rather thoroughly. Oh, by the way, you really need to set for more frequent archiving of your user talk page. Over 100 threads on a single talk page is longer than I think I've seen pretty much anywhere. John Carter (talk) 17:34, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to subject you to this, but you may want to weigh in here Talk:Gospel of the Hebrews#Scope of this article and comment on the wisdom of bringing all the Aramaic/Hebrew gospel material back into this article. Ignocrates (talk) 19:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

And, Ignocrates, if it is humanly possible for you, you might try to avoid making statements which seem to both violate WP:AGF and also jump to conclusions which are not necessarily supported by the evidence. You seem to have rather pronounced difficulties regarding both of those matters. John Carter (talk) 19:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

For Your Information / Clarification

You wrote that no modern New Testament scholar supports the view that Matthew's Gospel was first written in Aramaic. I find this statement incredible. Although I respect your view, I am just curious to know what you think about the statement written in the book, The Gospel of Matthew, by co-authors Curtis Mitch and Edward Sri, p. 18, where we find these words:

I will answer this on the Talk:Gospel of Matthew. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Slovenian Littoral

Obviously we are not moving this to the requested title, but it seems I was closing the request at the same moment you were commenting on a new destination. Do you want me to revert so the new name can be discussed in the context of the current discussion? (Or you could start a new discussion unencumbered by the other topic of the move, which might be more effective.)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I think how you have closed it is fine, and cleaner. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:07, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I had some kind of display error. I did not see the text box and your signature below it; the page simply cutoff after your initial "I don't really understand why it isn't at Primorska, since Primorska directs here", and so thought it was an unsigned comment. When I saved, however, I saw your whole post and was fooled into thinking you were posting simultaneously but I see you posted hours ago. I wrote this and then edit conflicted with the above. Comedy of errors.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

moving (person) dab

According to several movings you are doing, could you move back this one to Tsugumi (actress)? Thanks in advance. Cavarrone 15:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

ANI alert

Hi. It doesn't look like anybody has made you aware of this ANI thread. Seems to me you should know about it. Regards, Bishonen | talk 18:15, 28 August 2013 (UTC).

(entertainer)

Hi In ictu - would you please stop changing disambiguators away from "(entertainer)"? When to use it is an unsettled question as you know, with RMs going both ways recently. It is certainly not uncontroversial. If you want to start an RfC on the issue, feel free, but otherwise I would suggest pursuing them as individual RMs for the time being until a clear consensus on the issue emerges. Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 17:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Dohn, I'm using my judgment as an editor. Most of those I have reverted have been undiscussed moves and very clearly counter sources. However you're welcome to revert per WP:BRD.

As for gone both ways. The simple one's haven't. You have been in a minority so far in supporting a neologism that is rarely or in some cases never used in printed sources. A balance has to be struck between leaving some (where it's justified), reverting some by WP:MOVE where it's obvious, and putting in WP:RM where there could be a case for merits on both sides.

As I say you can revert, but I recommend you run ["entertainer Name"] in Google Books before doing so. Ultimately we must follow the language and terms of reliable sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I just wish that we could at least get on the same page about the word itself. This may be an ENGVAR or a native-speaker issue, but it is just not the case that "entertainer" is limited to court jesters and vaudevillians. A singer is an entertainer. An actor is an entertainer. And "entertainer" is especially helpful as a descriptor when someone is notable within multiple realms of entertainment: a model-dancer, or a comedian-actor. I've already shown you a dozen examples of both individuals and groups being called "entertainers" by highly reputable sources, from newspapers up to and including academic journals. I don't understand your continued reluctance to recognize that that sense of "entertainer" is widely accepted, and certainly not a neologism. Is "singer" preferable when someone is exclusively (or nearly) notable as a singer? Sure. But if someone is notable as both a singer and an actor, "(singer)" becomes less and less helpful. We could use "(singer/actor)", but "(entertainer)" is more consistent when applied to all subjects who are notable across disciplines, don't you think? Dohn joe (talk) 18:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

We could, you could suggest it.

Otherwise we don't need to rehash the RMs. Yes you've found some cases where 3% or 5% of printed sources use "entertainer Fred" among 80% for "the singer Fred" - but that 3% or 5% fails WP:AT twice, both on recognition and precision. The reason that the (singer) dabs are being restored in RMs is that 80+% hits for "the singer Fred" show the printed language as it is.

So far I haven't observed any ENGVAR issue when Australian, Canadian, US, UK printed sources all avoid "entertainer Fred". :::The argument that you're applying would mean going through Category:American female singers and moving every (singer) to (entertainer). Why not merge Category:American female singers into Category:American female singers and be done with it?

Those are rhetorical questions by the way, they are to explain my view not, with respect, invite discussion here, now, that can wait. Ultimately printed sources will bring titles to something sensible. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:28, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(people)#.28entertainer.29, I apologize for not making it clearer that the survey section was only for those who wished to participate in the survey, and that the discussion section was for more general comments such as yours. I hopefully made that clearer now. It wasn't meant to "hide" your comment, just manage the structure of the RfC. Hope there's no hard feelings. Dohn joe (talk) 18:58, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

"Missing Years" Chronology

Thanks, In ictu oculi, for your question. I have also made this same reply on Talk:Missing years (Jewish calendar).... Davidbena (talk) 01:24, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I will look there. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

In ictu oculi, I wanted you to see this.........Davidbena (talk) 05:25, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Please do not paste chunks to User's Talk pages, Link Talk:Temple Mount. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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I amended my nomination rationale. By the way, can you fix the "oppose support" thing please? --George Ho (talk) 16:33, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Martin Kemp

Kudos on moving this back. I'm heartened to see your intellectual honesty on the BRD issue. At least that's something we can agree on! Dohn joe (talk) 20:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's a more important guideline, should be observed by everyone. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:51, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Faye Wong albums

TransporterMan said that adding alternative names is discouraged, unless a name is proven to be significant by a reliable source. Would this apply to Faye Wong albums, like Please Myself and fuzao? --George Ho (talk) 14:55, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi @George Ho: no evidently not since in such a case Fuzao is the real title, the various English versions are just guesses. If there was an official title like Cui Jian's Balls Under the Red Flag then it would still need the Chinese. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:57, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Proposed move of Charles Lawrence (mathematician)

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Joseph Smith

Would you please look over the discussion on the Joseph Smith talk page? I respect your opinion and would just like to know your thoughts. Thanks. Canstusdis (talk) 20:08, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:REFACTOR

Hi In ictu. This edit went against WP:REFACTOR. You can't change the rationale of a comment after three other editors have responded to that comment. It skews the discussion. It makes it look like people have responded to comments that didn't exist when they were made. Please don't do this again. Dohn joe (talk) 04:30, 7 September 2013 (UTC) P.S. If you were thinking about comparing this action with my move of your comment at the WP:Naming conventions (people) discussion, please read WP:REFACTOR, which allows people some leeway in structuring a talkpage discussion. At the time I moved your comment, no one had yet responded to it. By the time you moved it back, multiple editors had. Moving left those comments dangling without context. Dohn joe (talk) 04:30, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't compare the addition of WP:AT guideline to a RM nomination as refactor of the RfC. Since the other two editors didn't even need it. But I am quite happy to place after your comment, as you are the only editor to whom the WP:CRITERIA 2 question applies. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:39, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for moving it. I appreciate it. Dohn joe (talk) 04:47, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Blessed Virgin Mary (Roman Catholicism)

You made Blessed Virgin Mary (Roman Catholicism) redirect to itself. ;)

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Hello

Have you met NoTruthIsEverALie before? bobrayner (talk) 23:34, 7 September 2013 (UTC) @Bobrayner: Thanks, added to SPI. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Kauffner

Dealt with it from a checkuser perspective. NativeForeigner ^Talk 09:08, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

David Wu

Hey - kudos on actually using the reliable sources I cited to expand the article. It's one thing to argue about the title behind the scenes, but that was an improvement to the content of the encyclopedia. Well done. Dohn joe (talk) 00:23, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Good for Me (song)

Any comments regarding this closure? I moved to Good for Me (Amy Grant song), only to see it reverted. What's the point of a discussion if somebody else's POV is more important than consensus. And I am accused of pulling a trick! --Richhoncho (talk) 21:05, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

@Richhoncho: Cuchullain's highly reasonable, I suspect it's just that there hasn't been much discussion of what "covered by" means in WP:DAB. A lot of editors including admin-editors believe it means "covered by a title" not content. I've left a comment under the RM. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:36, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Seems the WP:DAB footnote needs lifting into guideline lead. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

God Head in Christinaity

In regards to your post on my talk the other day, I do not know what you mean by "slow-burn edit warring". Can you please explain this so that I may understand? Also, in regards to the WP:Fork, how would the umbrella article of Christianity redirect to Mormonism? Please explain because I disagree. I also do not understand why Mormonism's view of the godhead is on the Christian god head page. Do explain this because in all of my studies and education this is not what I was taught. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmodic (talk • contribs) 13:03, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Answered first question on your Talk, second on the article Talk:Godhead in Christianity. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:19, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Felix Roque

Hi. I reverted your edit to Felix Roque because it did not appear constructive. Since you're a veteran editor, I assume that this just an error on your part; Just letting you know. Thanks. :-) Nightscream (talk) 16:58, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Was trying to fill in the biodata. Couldn't find it. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:08, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Didn't notice you were back

but very pleased that you are. I'd appreciate your taking a look at recent edits at Abraham and my comments at Talk:Abraham. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

FWIW, feel free to check wikimedia commons copies of now PD reference sources. Yeah, there are still a lot missing, and they're all old, but I'm not sure how much the academic world has changed its opinions on this particular subject lately. And also glad to see you've returned. John Carter (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

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Talk:Fabian (entertainer) and Talk:Belinda (entertainer)

Can you please withdraw your proposals, so I can propose using a natural disambiguation? --George Ho (talk) 06:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

@George Ho: sure, done. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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songs named "Applause"

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The Holy Incense

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Battle of Long Tan

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File:Belinda Cabo Verde.jpg

Perhaps you can meet THIS Belinda in-person and photograph her. This image is replaceable in the article. Unless you find notability of the album, can you tag it with {{db-g7}}? Thank you. --George Ho (talk) 17:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi George, Yeah, I know, thanks, was in album article mode when I did that. Good call. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:52, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Wrecking Ball (Miley Cyrus song) - RM

Socks, cocks and frocks. ;) You're better at working it out than me, but I note that the nomination was by an IP who has made one edit and the IP support has made half a dozen edits - all at RMs. Should I AGF or continue to wonder? Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 20:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Richhoncho thanks for the note, that's our anti-PDAB community banned friend again, added to the latest SPI. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Mike Reid (actor)

Greetings! The move is done, but redirecting Mike Reid (entertainer) to Mike Reid leaves a lot of links. If you have the time, please fix these (I would do so, but do not have access to the tools at the moment). Cheers! bd2412 T 15:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I've already done them all. Came across this discussion while I was checking all the other namespaces :-) –anemoneprojectors– 16:57, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

And I just did null edits to the ones transcluded in Template:Comics who appeared on "The Comedians". That was easy :-) Wbm1058 (talk) 20:09, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Right, thanks. Template:Comics who appeared on "The Comedians" In ictu oculi (talk) 07:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Lead songs of albums

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Speedy deletion nomination of Như Quỳnh (actress)

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Discussion at Talk:Shark_Island_Extermination_Camp#Requested_move_2

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Shark_Island_Extermination_Camp#Requested_move_2. FOARP (talk) 10:51, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Killer (Swiss band) for deletion

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User:İn ictu ocli

Just letting you know the account exists. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I just put a note on that user's Talk page that contains some remarks about their choice of user name. At first glance, the user's contributions appear to be constructive, and they seem already rather familiar with Wikipedia editing and community practices. (For example, by successfully creating a user page with a centered animated picture, making a properly formatted and competently worded remark on an AfD discussion, and eschewing excess capitalization.) But it might be better if they would choose a different account name to avoid confusion about who is doing editing. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Như Quỳnh

The article literally said "Như Quỳnh (1954) is a Vietnamese actress.[1]". I have requested the speedy deletion of articles with more notability than this. WP:A7 perfectly applied and its initial deletion clearly demostrate it. You don't own the articles you create, and the lack of understanding of the CSD policy is incredible in an experienced editor like you. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:37, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

It isn't an issue of owning articles, even though you went to the article and put a speedy on it because I created it as part of disambiguating the singer, WP:A7 requires a deleting editor to look at the interwiki link for sources in the local wikipedia language - you put a WP:A7 on a People's Artist with extensive filmography, leading roles in the 1970s and 1980s, and even roles in French-Vietnamese and South-Korean Vietnamese coproductions. I will add a note to WP:A7 if necessary. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:41, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

"[E]ven though you went to the article and put a speedy on it because I created it as part of disambiguating the singer", can you prove it? If that were the truth, don't you think I would have reversed this. Also, there were no interwiki link. And I didn't put a A7 template on a "People's Artist with extensive filmography", because, once again, and *any* admin can verify this, the article that I requested deletion said "Như Quỳnh (1954) is a Vietnamese actress.[1]", I didn't request the deletion of this article, and .vi's demostrate why she is notable. The question is, why you didn't create an article like their's but you are here complaining about an article that was a re-phrase of the title. Wasn't better for a reader to read? this than "She is a Vietnamese actress"? Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:37, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

You yourself said you went to that article because I created it here. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but the link doesn't prove that I "went to the article and put a speedy on it because [you] created it as part of disambiguating the singer", still defamation? Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:53, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I think rather than ask myself, you'd better ask Richhoncho and GeorgeHo on the impression your action leaves, seeing as they have both commented on your AfDs on articles I created. What is certain is what you yourself said about why you went to the article. I have opened discussion on the Talk page of the WP:A7 CSD criteria itself. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

As far as I know Rich hasn't and George's argument was weak, he even accepted that the page he tried to defend wasn't notable in WP:GNG terms. I don't know if he tried to help you or the page by !voting "keep", but this is not a democracy. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• @Tbhotch. I have already made my opinion of you known on another page so don't write as though I haven't commented, but just for the record I note 5 deletions listed above and made by you, together with the timestamp posted to this page:-

1. Applause (Bonnie Franklin song) - 23:26, 4 October 2013
2. Belinda (Cape Verdean singer) - 23:26, 4 October 2013
3. File:Belinda Cabo Verde.jpg - 23:26, 4 October 2013
4. Như Quỳnh (actress) 23:47, 4 October 2013
5. Killer (Swiss band) - 18:02, 5 October 2013

There is no connection between 4 of the items, oh, save, one, they were created by the same editor. I also note that Tbhotch is not known for nominating for deletion, in fact hasn't made one nomination since the last one above. Therefore there is only logical explanation, you trawled through one editor's contributions with the intention of making mischief. Too late to assume good faith now. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

And your opinions are supposed to be cared by me because... I told you at Applause that I won't reply nothing you say, so stop sending me notifications as I don't care what you say or do here. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:28, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Why would I think you would pay attention to my opinions when you pay no attention to any other editor's opinion? Sorry IIO for taking over your userpage - feel free to delete. --Richhoncho (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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RE: Kww

If we consider that the chance that I requested the deletion of an article, which was "intentionally a Vietnamese language stub in order that" I could request its deletion so you "could later complain about its deletion", possibly performed by any editor under A7 is almost nule, you should ask Kevin what does he mean with that accusation, because it seems to him that you created the article, which failed A7, to later complain the A7 process. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I would agree it is nil since it had already passed New Page Patrol 4 days earlier, I would take it up with him, but he seems quite trigger happy. In 4 years of editing I have only ever come across one other threat like this. Perhaps you could say on the CSD Talk page that you didn't make any such accusation and he has misunderstood. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

NGR Massacre

Thanks very much for yours at my User talk. To answer your questions, the belligerence and the point of view (make the No Gun Ri Massacre go away) are similar, but there's a decided difference in their interests, judging from their User pages etc., and Kauffner, as I recall, was more literate than the hamhanded Weldneck. The problem, as essentially a neophyte at Wikipedia, is to know how to blow the whistle on Weldneck, now that he has stooped to outright fabrications -- by adding nonexistent words to documentary sources -- and to wholesale deletion of well-sourced facts that disturb his point of view. Any suggestions? Thanks. Charles J. Hanley 11:55, 15 October 2013 (UTC) Cjhanley (talk • contribs)

I'd much appreciate any guidance you can offer on how to proceed to save the No Gun Ri Massacre article from further destruction. I posted a complaint a couple of weeks ago at the edit-warring noticeboard, where admin Mark Arsten suggested it belonged at the ANI noticeboard. He then, however, had second thoughts, and I've now refashioned the appeal, viewable at my sandbox. I'm not sure Arsten can or will deal with it. Any advice? As I point out in the appeal, this is not a simple matter of citing "four reverts" and matching them up with the previous texts, to win automatic censure, but instead we're dealing with a major, broad attack via dozens of destructive edits, heedless of efforts to point out the facts. Any thoughts would be most welcome. Thanks very much. Charles J. Hanley 14:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC) Cjhanley (talk • contribs)

Thanks for yours at my Talk page. Would you suggest that I post that appeal at that NPOV board? And-or ask one of those POV specialists you mentioned directly, via his Talk page, to intervene? Much appreciated. (By the way, no one contends the No Gun Ri killings were accidental. The refugee throng was targeted; the U.S. Army would contend it was believed there were enemy among them.) Charles J. Hanley 15:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjhanley (talk • contribs)

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I hope this settles it. WeldNeck (talk) 03:03, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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Fixing links to disambiguated pages

Since you moved common consent and it is now at Common consent (Latter Day Saints), will you please adjust the links on the LDS-related articles that link to common consent? Thanks. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:51, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The same applies for Plan of salvation to Plan of salvation (Latter Day Saints). Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:53, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Ambiguous titles

Thanks for creating Raising of the widow of Zarephath's son. I note that the title is formally ambiguous, though maybe it wouldn't confuse anybody. But it could mean the raising of the widow of the son of Zarephath, or else the raising of the son of the widow of Zarephath. It's the same with Raising of the widow of Nain's son - was it Nain's daughter-in-law who was raised? StAnselm (talk) 10:24, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

By the way, regarding Dorcas, she has a feast day in the Episcopal Church, as well as Dorcas Societies named after her. That indicates the article should be about the person rather than the event. StAnselm (talk) 10:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Re Zarephath/Nain good point, I had thought this was less stiff wording, however the phrase occurse in printed sources "raising of the son of the widow of Nain" more than the other. These can both be switched around.

Re Dorcas, less sure that's a good point, NPOV would tend to not doing that. But fair enough it would be a RM decision. Happy with your revert. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:32, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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Fixed, thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:07, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Wanting to avoid edit conflict

Hi, are you finished with Talk:Louis Martin (blessed) for the moment? Your reply to me doesn't look finished [23], but it's been more than twenty minutes now since you last changed the page. Andrewa (talk) 17:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! [24] Andrewa (talk) 18:09, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Joseph Hinton (composer) for deletion

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A cup of tea for you!

I'm sorry we've found ourselves on opposite sides of the issues lately, sometimes strongly so. I hope to continue our work with mutual respect and esteem, regardless. Cheers. BDD (talk) 22:50, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Not at all an issue :), don't think anyone can feel too strongly about parenthetical dabs :) In ictu oculi (talk) 11:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

A SNAFU with David Z happened...

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• Just wanted to let you know that this concern was "fixed": information can be found on Talk:David Z. Steel1943 (talk) 15:37, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Usage of Blessed Louis Martin

Some time ago you opposed the article name Blessed Louis Martin [25], partly on the grounds that it was unsupported in Google Books. But what evidence is there of this? See Talk:Louis Martin (blessed)#Usage. Andrewa (talk) 19:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Bangerz

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Wikipedia:VN DISTRICTNAMES RFC

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• Deleted as it pointed to itself, and nothing but this page linked to it. By all means recreate if you have a useful target for it. JohnCD (talk) 19:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Lingdian (band) for deletion

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Translation

Some sources about the Hong Bang period, such as [26], what the closest translation for the word "chi"? Thank. ༆ (talk) 04:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Anthrax (band)

I notice that you removed the entry for Anthrax (band) in the list of PDAB article redirects. But Anthrax (band) is still a redirect to Anthrax (American band), so I think it still belongs in the list. —BarrelProof (talk) 03:37, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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Renaming of List of artifacts significant to the Bible

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Nomination of Lucky Star (Gene Vincent song) for deletion

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Autopatrolled removed

I have removed the autopatrolled flag from your user rights, as it seems you're using the flag as a way to sneak articles under the radar that would not pass our policy on speedy deletion. Once you've shown the community that you understand our policies on the proper creation of articles and policies on speedy deletion, I or another admin will gladly turn the flag back on. If you have any questions or concerns please let me know. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 22:23, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I have created 1,000s of articles - many of which started as stubs or starts - which are all still there, many developed by myself and other editors well beyond stub. I take WP:IDEALSTUB as the reference point for creating a stub. If, specifically, the three articles above do not pass policy on speedy deletion then why have you submitted them to AFD rather than placed a speedy deletion tag? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:39, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

On the face of it, this is a ridiculous revocation of user rights, and it is being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#User:Coffee. StAnselm (talk) 01:05, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Per the discussion at AN, I have restored your autopatrolled right. MLauba ^(Talk) 13:25, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

On a related matter, I've taken the liberty of restoring the Genie Pace article, userifying it to my own space and bringing it up for discussion at WT:CSD - I think it's a good discussion subject for the next 24 hours about those "claims of significance". It is obviously not my intention to hijack your work in any fashion, I hope you'll forgive me for "borrowing" it as a test case for a while. If you wish it to go back straight to mainspace, I'd be grateful if you would just amend the link to it on WT:CSD, though. MLauba ^(Talk) 16:56, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Puritan casuistry

Hello, been a while. Is this badly wrong? There is a fair amount of scholarly literature to go on, if it is not coming out back to front. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Charles, I am 30 years on from reading in this area, but to me it looks broadly correct and a useful and informative start article. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:46, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. It convinces me that topical logic is important, at least. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Living for the Weekend

Hi In ictu oculi,

You recently initiated a move request for the albums/songs titled "Living for the Weekend". This move has been partially carried out, but due to lack of consensus over the album versions, I have started a new request for those specifically, at Talk:Livin' for the Weekend: The Anthology. Please feel free to comment there if you so desire. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 11:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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.. :) thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:15, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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Your comment at Yunshui's talk

None of the last 25 protection log entries for WP:AN, dating back to October 2011, involve full edit protection; the only thing that requires admin rights is moving the page. Nyttend (talk) 14:32, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Nyttend, strange maybe it was my own PC, I made an edit and it didn't take. Thank you for earlier also. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed that a couple of comments you added on WP:AN were inadvertently deleted by someone trying to fix a different problem, so I restored them. I think this is likely the explanation for your edits not taking. Cheers, Bovlb (talk) 17:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Deal with the Devil (2013 Pop Evil song)

Hello IIO, I notice that "Deal with the Devil (song)" was moved to "Deal with the Devil (Onyx song)", even though New York music ensemble Onyx has never produced a notable song by this name. I think that "Deal with the Devil (2013 Pop Evil song)" [or a truncated version thereof] would be a much better title for the article. What are your thoughts on this? --Jax 0677 (talk) 04:58, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

I appreciate what you're doing with the song articles tonight. Drink It Down for instance is an signal improvement over whatever was there before, from a musicological and encyclopedic standpoint.

As a practical matter, Wikipedians will not go for moving (say) BlatherPop (song) to BlatherPop (Mickey Moron and the Cretins song) and so forthy unless and until there's another article for a song with the same name already existing. I think people should be a bit flexible about that, but they're not. So in cases like the One Drop (song) deal I suppose it's necessary to create the other article first, even if it's a one-sentence placeholder for the time being. I fixed up the situation there though.

It gets kind of random. If Drink It Down (L'Arc-en-Ciel song) had already existed as a redirect (as was the case with One Drop (KAT-TUN song)), then I suppose you would have to name your article One Drop (drinking song) or One Drop (folk song) or something, then requested (at WP:RMT) an uncontested move of the existing Drink It Down (which would have been about the L'Arc-en-Ciel song) over to Drink It Down (L'Arc-en-Ciel song). Then you'd have to recreate the article Drink It Down as a redirect to both songs. (Or, if you wanted to try, make that case that your "Drink It Down" is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for that phrase so that One Drop (drinking song) should be move to Drink It Down. But you probably wouldn't win that argument.)

Carry on and fear no darkness. Herostratus (talk) 04:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Herostratus, thanks for the words. I think it is only pop music where this interpretation of titling is much of an issue, as noted before no one has ever argued for "primary (footballer)" and so on. See Hurricane at WT:DAB. Thanks again. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:22, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Hmmmm, you may right about that. Oh well, it is what it is. Herostratus (talk) 15:35, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Move on

I'm not sure why you brought this up. If you think you can bait me into violating my I-ban, it's not going to happen. Please move on. Ignocrates (talk) 02:08, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of your ban, I just didn't view the answer John gave to me as "tendentious". In ictu oculi (talk) 02:11, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

See WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Ebionites 3#Remedies. Ok, let's leave it at that. I could use your help making further improvements to the GHeb article, since PiCo seems to be all but retired at this point. Ignocrates (talk) 02:17, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I was totally unaware of all of this. It's a great shame User:John Carter has relinquished admin status. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I strongly disagree! No shame involved. The action taken by Ignocrates was a long time coming and totally justified. The result was more than fair. Now let us try to put this behind us and work together in good faith to edit articles from a NPOV using reliable sources. Cheers - Ret.Prof (talk) 16:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

December 2013

Please do not use styles that are unusual, inappropriate or difficult to understand in articles, as you did in Flower Power (song)‎. There is a Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Thank you. link to a website and not list lyrics on articles ... Sni56996 (talk) 11:07, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

WP:MOS does not preclude lyrics. See Danny Boy In ictu oculi (talk) 11:10, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I restored it after misjudged your edit. Sorry for anything else. Sni56996 (talk) 11:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for restoring. Not more than small quote per WP:SONGLYRICS and format as per MOS:Blockquote where possible. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

English exonyms: Portugal

In reference to your talkpage post on WikiProject Portugal regarding English_exonyms#Portugal: I am not clear on what it is that you need to review. The listed names do represent exonyms of Portuguese places.^{ruben jc} ZEORYMER (talk) 08:19, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, it seems it will be needed to check section by section. Good to hear the Portugal section is correct. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:35, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Vietnamese language

I was able to obtain a rare book on vietnamese flags some time ago. As I do not speak vietnamese, it is hard for me to fill Template:Citation correctly. I sent you an eMail were you can download a digital copy. (If that file is to large for you, I can cut the relevant parts of it.)--Antemister (talk) 21:35, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

User:Antemister please go ahead, use the email at top of this page. But I am unlikely to do it till Christmas. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Did you remember this?--Antemister (talk) 14:29, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Forbidden Fruit (Noël Coward song) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Forbidden Fruit (Noël Coward song) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Forbidden Fruit (Noël Coward song) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 07:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use disruptive, inappropriate or hard-to-read formatting, as you did at Forbidden Fruit (Noël Coward song), you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 08:19, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Instead of threatening you could simply link to MOS:ITAL to explain what you are up to. It is something of a memory game to many of us to remember books (italics), films (italics), television series (italics), computer and video games (italics) software (no italics), music albums (italics), paintings (italics), songs (no italics), television episodes (no italics), and threatening to get an admin to block someone for having confused album (italics) song (no italics) is disturbing. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I already did it many times, but you are in your "I will ignore this bastard" mode, warns are the only way to make you stop and read. Also, you've been here for four years and defend the MOS in multiple ways, now result you don't have any idea what goes in italics? That's common sense and it is learnt in primary school. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 08:45, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

There's no need to swear on my Talk page, nor attribute motives to me or put words in my mouth. In fact rather the reason your edit summary was not clear is that italics for song titles is largely a pop music style, but I note Paula LaRocque The Book on Writing: The Ultimate Guide to Writing Well 2003

Popular music: Italicize album titles, but use quotation marks for song titles: “One Way Ticket,” a single from Blue, was a hit more than a decade ago. Classical music: Italicize titles of operas, oratorios, motets, tone poems, and program-oriented works (that is, works that tell a story): Carmen Vivaldi's Four Seasons Use quotation marks for songs from operas.

Against this I have The French Song Companion by Graham Johnson which puts songs in italics, but whatever.

Given that your contribution to the article is to try and delete it, the summary WP:ITAL would have been more helpful. But I'm happy to follow WP:ITAL. Now are we done here? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:59, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Tbhotch

NB　 Both of these posts constitute a continuance of aggressive behaviour by Tbhotch. I have deleted previous messages and copied them back to the originator, however I'm leaving this one here. A false allegation to a pop music admin, led to the admin understanding that I had created a Vietnam biography deliberately so that Tbhotch could place a speedy deletion tag and then I would question speedy deletion tag usages, whatever the intention led to the pop music admin believing this (which constitutes paranormal powers of prophecy on my part) and waving his block stick. I don't think that admin will do the same again, since it was shown to be ridiculous, but it's possible Tbhotch will try it with another admin. All this because of the a couple of song editors campaign against WP:DAB WP:PDAB WP:NCM etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I only can read is "I can't superate that Vientamese actress deletion and I later my point was refused at WT:CSD". BTW, from now I inform you in the following weeks I will open a thread to discuss your editing and anti-social behaviour at WP:ANI. It will take me weeks to compilate all this evidence, so prepare yourself to justify such actions. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 08:45, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Noted but, one of the things you should be aware of is that who follows whom to which articles is a critical part of such analysis. It will be difficult to demonstrate that you arrived at the various articles I have created such as the Vietnamese bio randomly. Alternatively you could just stop following me around. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

It is not about the articles altogether, but the content of them. For example Market research and opinion polling in China, you may no see any problem in it, but after the ANI section you will see what I'm referring to. Also the nomination of articles for deletion is justified when they don't demostrate notability, and it is WP:POINTY that you create an article just to demostate a point. And no, I won't "stop following [you] around" as I need all these evidence; the more actions you do, the more evidence I obtain. It is not only as conflict between us, it is a constant in your editing, you can't co-operate with others and when someone conflicts with you, you start to make non-sense comments (like those in WT:CSD) or this: you had to consult a book to start to follow (I hope) an italic style that has been followed by Wikipedia for years. Also, didn't Coffee removed your autopatrol due to misuse? It was later returned back because of the reversal of Coffee's actions those days, not because you deserved it back. And the more I now about your editing pattern and behaivour, the more you will have to explain at ANI. Rememeber that in that section you will have to explain your actions, if you want create a subsection for our interaction conflicts, it is fine, but that subsection won't stop the main discussion, as they are independent to the problems the articles have. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 09:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Re "And no, I won't "stop following [you] around" as I need all these evidence;"

I see. If I understand correctly your complaint is that I have created some articles filling missing content in dab pages. Would this be an accurate description of the problem as you see it?

Is there a second complaint? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

No, "articles filling missing content in dab pages" is not the main reason to open the ANI request (and as far as I know it is not a reason to do so considering the creationist spirit of Wikipedia). I would tell you which one is, but considering I have explained to you in multiple ocassions this specific problem (which until ANI I will refer to it as "the problem I'm referring to"), and that you has been deliberately ignoring me in this talk page and other places, you have to investigate the problem I'm referring to by your own; a tip, compare your own creations and you will know what's the problem. Even if you discover what it is, the poor cooperativism is the secondary issue. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 09:48, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Please what is "the problem I'm referring to"? Do you mean WP:NOTABILITY? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:13, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

English exonyms: Norway

There are 2 written versions of the Norwegian language. In the one, Nynorsk, the name of the country is Noreg (or Kongeriket Noreg). In the other, Bokmål, the name is Norge (or Kongeriket Norge). Kongeriket ~ The Monarchy.

There is a third language(s) Samisk. It/they may also have names for Norway? --Hordaland (talk) 12:01, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

WP:MOS and WP:CITE

Hi. I have looked over two of your articles today, and I supported you in an AfD. I think that you would make it easier for other editors to support what you are doing if you carefully reviewed WP:MOS and WP:CITE. You have been around Wikipedia for several years, and it is annoying when experienced editors ignore Wikipedia style requirements. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but I have actually several times tried to make use of the CITE templates and they are not as intuitive as they may appear to some. If you are willing to help out on a couple of examples that would be helpful. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I do not use or recommend the templates, except the Book template. What I said was that you need to format your citations properly. The author's last name should go first, followed by the title (which can be linked to an online source using a url), followed by the name of the publisher and date of publication, and the page number, at a minimum. It is not a matter of intuitivenes, it is a matter of reading the whole guideline. WP:CITE explains how to format refs WITHOUT any templates. Here is an example of a newspaper citation:<ref>Smith, David. "The Little Theatre", ''The Times'', 28 January 1911, p. 12</ref> See WP:CITEFOOT and the rest of WP:CITE. Moreover, you need to use proper Wikipedia style, as explained in the WP:MOS. For example, short works go in quotes, while full-length works go in italics. Please read it, and I think your edits here will be perceived with more generosity. I am sorry to say this, but currently, your work is sloppy, and the reason for this can be interpreted by other editors as rudeness and/or laziness. You really owe it to your fellow editors to take an hour and read the MOS carefully. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:34, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Rawls, John. A Theory of Justice, Harvard University Press, 1971, p. 1. is acceptable? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:39, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, although a book cite should also give the ISBN number. For books, it is better to list the full cite at the bottom, without the page number, and then to put short-form cites inline as follows: <ref>Rawls (1971), p. 1</ref> This is also explained in WP:CITE under WP:CITESHORT. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, you don't need to put a quote in a cite. If you do, it should have a purpose beyond merely showing that the fact that you are citing does actually appear in the ref. Quotes are useful if the source is not in English. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

So WP:CITEFOOT is wrong, an ISBN number should be added to the WP:CITEFOOT example? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

In ictu, this is sage advice. I've been meaning to say the same thing about dab pages you create or add to - you simply work on too many for them not to be formatted properly according to MOS:DAB. I don't mean to chastise, but taking just a moment to format the pages correctly as you work saves time and energy for people who come along afterward.

For instance, this has a number of style problems. Per the MOS, the standing primary topic is bolded and goes above the other entries; there should only be one blue link on any line; and albums and long works are distinguished by italics, while songs and short works are distinguished by quote marks. The piping/redirecting style guidelines are nuanced, but only the actual album/song titles get italics/quote marks, not the disambiguation. So for instance, the song is formatted as [[Suck It and See (song)|"Suck It and See" (song)]]. If something needs to be linked in the description rather than the list, as with the Grim Reaper song, it can be piped normally. See my edits here and let me know if you have any questions.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

To answer some of your questions to Ssilvers, ISBNs aren't always required, but they're preferred if available as they can make it very easy for the online reader to find the source. As for the citation style, no one style is required - you can use any of the accepted styles (the Wikipedia template style, MLA, APA, etc.) However they do need to be consistent within the article, so if editors have taken the time to format according to one style, you need to follow their lead.--Cúchullain ^t/c 16:17, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, using a word like "wrong" shows that you have not understood the spirit of the guideline. Try not to view things as black and white, but rather to use the guidelines in a way that best serves the encyclopedia reader. As Cuchullain notes, there are several correct ways to format cites. But the author's last name must always go first, and the available information that helps readers to find the reference should be included. You can see that someone commented on another talk page that "Forbidden Fruit (Noël Coward song)" needs "online sources". The reason that s/he made this statement is because you failed to include urls to your Google Books citations. You can do it in the inline refs like this: Citron (2005), p. 27. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Does it really say somewhere that the author's last name must always go first? I think I recall seeing many instances where that has not been the case. I searched WP:MOS and WP:CITE for "last name" and "surname" and did not find such a guideline.

I think there is a balance to be struck between the value of adding a citation (or the value of providing correct information or otherwise improving the information content of an article) versus the value of formatting consistency. I think that the former considerations should typically outweigh the latter, as the principle that Wikipedia information content should be correct and verifiably sourced seems more fundamental to me that the (also desirable) goal of formatting consistency. -- BarrelProof (talk) 18:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, obviously adding the citation is of utmost importance, and when a newbie does it at all, we can be pleased and help him or her format it. But when an experienced editor routinely fails to make the effort to include publisher information, or to put the author name in the right order, then we can legitimately note our annoyance. BarrelProof, show me a FA-class article that does not have author last names first. Some things that are best practices in WP are routinely practiced by the best editors here, as reflected in FA articles. If IIO wants to improve, he should read some FACs and see what kinds of comments are routinely made there. Plus, he should read WP:MOS and the related style guidelines. Anyhow, I'm done scolding. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Ssilvers, if someone comes to my talk page telling me to do something - add ISBNs - because the guideline says so and then the guideline doesn't say so then the question whether the guideline is wrong is legitimate. As regards linking to Google Books I have explained before that access problems outside America and deprecation of Google Books stock make a link of less value than an actual hardwired citation of the relevant sentence. Otherwise WP:CITE is a not a very well presented guideline, parts are illegible. But I think keeping discussion of this on Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources#How_to_cite_quotations_for_verifiability is better than on my Talk pageIn ictu oculi (talk) 00:22, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I do appreciate your contributions, but including complete (yet concise) citation information, including url's where available, will help you to satisfy other editors at Wikipedia. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:00, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

• User:Cuchullain thanks, yes, that's good advice, MOS:DAB while not intuitive is a good deal clearer than MOS:CITE, see discussion there. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
• IIO, it might actually be a good idea for you to try to be a bit more careful about a few things – such as using italics for album names, quote marks for song names, MOS:LQ for quotes, and MOS:ENDASH for dashes. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:36, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, italics for album names, quote marks for song names is something I'm trying to remember. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:43, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

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The first image illustrating this article features what is said to be a hountar or mama drum. Do you have any idea what this refers to? Candleabracadabra (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I'm guessing that "hountar" must be a typo attached to that one 1937 photo. A tambour maman / mama drum is well documented. "hountar" sounds like a French attempt at Spanish "juntar" (join) as in "juntar á toque de tambor" - in which case it's a Haitian misspelling of a Cuban word? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:08, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I didn't find much on wikipedia about a mama drum or a tambour maman. Is it worth writing something up? Thanks for your help. I was curious what it was. Candleabracadabra (talk) 01:03, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Hiya, the mama drum is mentioned in the Haitian drumming article, it's only this word "juntar" which is a bit odd - maybe to "join" the mama drum and the others? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:13, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

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Genesis creation whatever

Are you really, really sure you want to get involved in that timewaste? PiCo (talk) 04:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Just opposing it. 11 RMs is too much. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:54, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Genesis

The following 6 books (besides others) mention the garden of Eden: Genesis, Quran, Some Answered Questions [27], Sahih Muslim [28], Sahih Bukhari [29], Book of Mormon. According to you, only Genesis should be in the lede and the other 5 ignored. Am i correct? Pass a Method talk 05:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

"According to you"? Please understand that you do not have an invitation to come to my Talk page and tell me "According to you" what I think. I made the point clearly enough at ANI. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:11, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

ANI

I don't appreciate comments like this. Stop casting aspersions about me in public forums or else back up your insinuations with diffs to prove them. Ignocrates (talk) 05:05, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Well I wasn't specifically thinking of any one editor's edits, but the general intent of admin John Carter's activity was as I saw it combating fringe. Whether my view is right or wrong the loss of John Carter to wikipedia overall and WP Religion articles in particular is deeply felt. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

I can understand and even sympathize with your sense of loss. However, describing the details of a recent two-person dispute that went to arbitration, praising one of the involved parties by name, and criticizing the behavior of the remaining party without naming them is a rather transparent shot at me. I don't mind you criticizing me as long as you do it on my talk page. Ignocrates (talk) 13:57, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

I have to agree with Ignocrates! The arbitration process was more than fair! Now let us put the past behind us and work together in good faith. Cheers - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:44, 30 December 2013 (UTC)