User talk:Mako001/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Buffalo bill edit

Your message says I removed all the info on the page, but I didn't. 72.188.47.73 (talk) 23:16, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, that was a misclick. Your edit was not in line with what the sources say, so it was supposed to be a warning for unsourced changes. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Your Account

Your account isn't compromised, is it? Here: User talk:ArrestLand 77. Nythar^T.C 08:53, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

What exactly is going on?

What is the point of this effectively incomprehensible edit, and the others you made to that user's talk page? firefly ( t · c ) 10:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@Firefly@Nythar:Trying to pull their attention off the article space until the block arrived. I have some very bad ideas and that was one of them. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mako001 hmmm - can I recommend not doing that in the future, if only because doing so will make people wonder if your account has been compromised. firefly ( t · c ) 11:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, like I said, I have some very bad ideas sometimes. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Your nonconstructive revert

Using politically biased terminology (e.g. using "captured" to describe the liberation, or the freeing of land/territory by the official government and armed forces of a nation from terrorist and extremist militant groups) should not be used on Wikipedia. Do not revert my edits. Feel free to discuss if you like. 172.103.140.96 (talk) 05:04, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

You're joking, right? 😳 "Lberated" by Assad? It would be a serious question as to whether it would be better under Assad or ISIL. (Hyperbole detected)

Liberated is actually a non-neutral term, so should be avoided unless most reliable sources say "liberated", and the reliable sources (which means that RT is out) say that it was "captured", not "liberated"Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Opinion?

Alley of Angels, the Alley of Angels#Use to promote the war with Ukraine section. An editor didn't like it. Opinion on my handling and the content would be appreciated! I'm signing off now. Thanks for holding down the fort! Cheers Adakiko (talk) 11:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@Adakiko: It looks like their motive was an issue, but I often find myself disagreeing with an editors motivation, but not so much with the action itself. Having said that, I wouldn't remove it entirely, but, there are some issues with that section. It has got some copyright issues, and fails to really explain why this coordinated tik-tok propaganda campaign is relevant to the article. The way part of it read "Given the similarity of these videos, they fit a pattern of state propaganda..." was not in an encyclopedic tone, so that was a hint of possible copyright trouble.

It needs to have the copyrighted content cleaned out, and the section reduced to a more appropriate single sentence mention, since having am entire section which only once mentions the memorial in passing is a bit unnecessary. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Mako001. I didn't check the sources. Not many English RS sources. Adakiko (talk) 13:15, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@Adakiko: I did some cleanup on the article. Nothing was actually a copyright violation, but there was some uncomfortably close paraphrasing of the sources in at least one case, but nothing needing to be revision deleted. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps without attacking a living person in the edit summary next time. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@ToBeFree: One does forget that Putin is a person. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 01:28, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Nevertheless, I will try to avoid doing so. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 01:28, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Пойдем, Брэндон! or maybe Йдемо, Брендоне! ? Adakiko (talk) 06:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I can definitely understand that. Thanks and no worries. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 09:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Edit-warring with vandals

(Nothing about you, Mako, but since it regards this talkpage...) @SunilNevlaFan and JavaHurricane: Please don't edit-war with vandals. Just wait for the block. Edit-warring makes a mess of page histories and watchlists and rewards vandals with attention. Thanks. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 11:15, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Might I add, I don't usually bother to revert anything that numpties like that one add. Once they're blocked it's quite easy to hit "restore this revision" or "rollback". It's the difference between 23 pings and 15. I don't take any offence to people adding garbage to my talkpage, it's part and parcel of being an RC patroller. Though not addressed to me, I'll bear that in mind anyway, since it's advice I could apply to myself in other situations. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:23, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin:: not sure why I've been pinged here. I'd only made two reverts when I came across the disruption in the RC, before seeing the page history and leaving to other things. JavaHurricane 11:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Are there any WP pages that have recommendations on how to handle this sort of thing? A "school of hard knocks" learning experience? Adakiko (talk) 13:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

WP:RBI mentions it, I think it's WP:BRI. Basically, if they start to edit war in some way, wait for the block, then undo it all once they're blocked. The essays at the end of the Wikipedia:Vandalism page might be helpful? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:42, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nepalese_general_election

hello it appears you have reverted my edit. is it by mistake? I have corrected the information. 202.168.40.123 (talk) 08:01, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

No, I couldn't see any source that you had provided. The source below still called it the "Third Front". Please read Wikipedia:Citing sources if you aren't sure how to add the sources, or ask here if you still aren't sure. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:06, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Amal Ghandour

Hello, Mako001,

I don't know why, but you didn't post a talk page notice, informing the article creator that you nominated this article for AFD deletion. You used Twinkle which should have taken care of this notifications. Please check your Twinkle Preferences and make sure "Notify page creator" is checked off. And make sure when you tag an article/page for deletion that this box is checked off in the box Twinkle uses.

Whatever you think of this article, it's important to notify content creators when pages they worked on are being discussed for deletion. They can often work on improviging the article and they should be able to participate in the deletion discussion. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:50, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@Liz:Huh? I usually use twinkle, so it should have happened automatically, I must've unchecked it by mistake. Thanks for letting me know. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:08, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@Liz: Also (a bit off topic but...) is there any way you could make your talkpage a bit smaller? It takes several minutes to load on my device. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:56, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Third World

Hi Mako, I just studied Google Ngram for 1 hour to ascertain the history of the use of "third world" in english litterature and I did supply references to old literature, early 20th century litterature, wiki articles and hundreds of books on NGRAM. as HTML references, and you broadly deleted the curious history of the term Third World which indubitably referred to theology and then to globalization. 2A02:8440:5440:A21F:4598:7DD9:84D3:7F14 (talk) 09:28, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

The only source you provided was a Google search link, you need to cite your sources accurately, otherwise it cannot be verified. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:34, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

help about upload to wiki

i wanted to add a video of topological changes of a village Maladkal so that people can understand the change in topography. i have got this from google timelapse and made a screen record from the site can i upload it to wikipedia if so how. i am asking this as i have seen your edit profile on the Maladkal topic. i am new please help N0madicSaint (talk) 10:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@N0madicSaint: Whilst you can add videos to Wikipedia, based on what you've said, your video may not comply with the copyright policy. This is because it would be a derivative work of wherever the topography data came from which probably won't be public domain.

I'm not sure that the Google timelapse is going to be OK either, because even if it isn't copyright, I don't think that the Creative Commons licence is compatible.

There should already be links to Openstreetmap content in the article, which should have topography data available, so it may not need a video to show it?

Thanks for your efforts all the same, cheerio and happy editing! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:55, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

thank you N0madicSaint (talk) 13:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Randy Johnson edits

Hello,

I understand you reverted edits I made to the article on Randy Johnson because my comments did not adhere to a neutral point of view. My edits were intended to be stylistic revisions. While I acknowledge that I am a longtime fan of Randy's career, I don't see what comments I made lacked neutrality (other than general appraisals of his career, but these were already present in the version reverted to), and would appreciate hearing your point of view in better detail. Kind regards - Magzillas (talk) 21:02, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@Magzillas: Hello, I would like to apologise for the inaccurate reversion.

Basically, as the policy goes, if the majority of reliable sources say those things about him, then it is considered to be the neutral point of view. Since it seems that this is probably the case, I don't object to your edit, and so I have restored it.

Cheerio and happy editing! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:37, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Understood, I appreciate the follow-up and reconsideration. Re-reading my own edit, I think I can see what you were potentially concerned about, so I'll be sure to think more carefully about future edits and make sure that "summary" statements about a player's career don't simply become opinionated, general appraisals.

Take care - Magzillas (talk) 04:06, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

I'd like yer help

Allo guvna,

I appreciate you reverting the vandalism from that I.P. However, I reverted two of their edits which you didn't - here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1105260576 . But the byte size total of my edits isn't the reverse total of their edits. Can ya help me figure where I went wrong? Stephanie921 (talk) 10:58, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Stephanie921: Hmm, so what seems to have happened here, is that you seem to have reverted both their edits, and the edits from the 185.xxx IP, (i.e. restored an older revision). What you probably should try to do in those cases is to use "undo" on the edits, in order of newest to oldest. I'll revert yours, and then (try to) demonstrate what I mean. If it doesn't work, I'll have to manually revert the edits. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:14, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

It did end up working. It is critically important to undo the edits in order of newest to oldest, for the best chance of success. In this case, the older of the two edits couldn't be reverted until the newer one had been reverted. But both were able to be reverted wothout needing to touch the newest edit by the 185.xxx IP, which is the best part of the "undo" tool. For more info on how undo works, see WP:UNDO. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very very much for your help. I usually revert in that order to prevent situations like this, but ofc I appreciate you reminding me! I'll be more careful from now on. Aside from that could I ask you - since you have more experience than me - how has my editing generally been? Any ways I could improve?

August 2022

Thank you for trying to keep Wikipedia free of vandalism. However, one or more edits you labeled as vandalism, such as the edit at Loreto Grammar School, are not considered vandalism under Wikipedia policy. Wikipedia has a stricter definition of the word "vandalism" than common usage, and mislabeling edits as vandalism can discourage editors. Please see what is not vandalism for more information on what is and is not considered vandalism. Thank you. WPEditor42 (talk) 12:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@WPEditor42: First of all Don't template the regulars.

Second, that is the edit summary ("non-constructive") that SWViewer gives when I select an edit as being disruptive. I did not consider the edit to be vandalism.

Due to the content involved, and the "random charachter combination" username, it appeared to be disruptive editing, though an "OR" or "unsourced" would have done as well, in the absence of any sources being provided to support the changes made. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Gravedancing

Please stop your gravedancing at WP:ANI. If I see more of it, you'll be the one who's blocked. If you can't hold back on sarcastic commentary, trolling, and "hahaha, you got blocked", find something more useful to do, like write an encyclopedia article. I don't understand why you think edits like Special:Diff/1105240927 are even helpful. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@NinjaRobotPirate: OK I'll quit it. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:18, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Source

https://www.path-2-happiness.com/en/the-message-of-muhammad%E2%80%99s-prophet-hood Tigin taagane 17:23, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tigin taagane: If that is a source that meets Wikipedia's standards for reliable sources, then you can add it to the article. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for help on how to do so. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 17:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

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sheikh yaser al-habib is in my family

and he is 43 (1979 April 23) 2A00:23C5:D2A2:6801:2945:2918:6CFE:440A (talk) 08:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Please cite a reliable source to support this statement. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:54, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Declined submission

Dear Mako001,

First of all, thank you for reviewing our article 'Draft: Pieter van Os (journalist). We are trying our best to follow all the guidelines, therefore, I was hoping you could help us explain your comment:

"There is still uncited content in the "Life and education" section. The only source given does not support all the content in the section."

Could you tell us which exact content still needs to be referenced? Thank you in advance!

Kind regards, Nikki

ForeignRightsPBO (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello, is the account you are using a role account? If so that is not permitted on Wikipedia, and you will need to fix that before you do anything more.

Regarding your question, all the content in that section remains uncited, except the last sentence. It needs to have inline citations, per the Biographies of living persons policy. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:37, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Me ne frego

Me ne frego is a phrase famously repeated by the black shirts as well as Mussolini. I provided as much of a source as any of the other slogans had. I added it originally because it links there from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Fascist_Italy 2601:1C0:4500:BC90:58D5:D2F6:E25B:57CB (talk) 09:16, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

If the others don't have a source, they can be removed if there is reason to believe they aren't correct. If there is reason to believe that they are correct, but just dont have a source, either find a source, or tag them with {{citation needed}} (or {{cn}}, which is a shorter version). For adding material, you are expected to have a source. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello Mako001.

I have seen that you have messeged me about something I have not done, you see I haven't done nothing on the artical about Official state car , and I think that you have messeged the wrong person, and ofcours I'm new here and mabey I have not understood something. And I just want to say sorry because my English is not very good, my first language is not English. And please if I have mistaken, write me back. 149.62.209.254 (talk) 12:16, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

You personally haven't edited that article. The notice would be for someone else who was using your current IP address at the time. IP addresses are regularly switched, and so that address was used by another editor, and the warning was for them, not for you. To avoid irrelevant messages like that, you may want to create an account. Cheerio and happy editing! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:03, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Actress Varadha

Are you sure about the picture provided there?? Gowri Nandana S panicker (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 07:27, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Not atleast a reliable sources are provided for what has written in that article??? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄answer me Gowri Nandana S panicker (talk) 07:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@Gowri Nandana S panicker: First, please sign your posts correctly, using four tildes like this ~~~~, it causes some issues with discussion features otherwise. Second, I couldn't tell why you removed the picture. If you have a good reason to remove the picture, then you are welcome to remove the picture, but please say why you are removing the picture in the edit summary when you remove the picture. Cheerio and happy editing! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:35, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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Cosmetics

I noticed that Cosmetics has both "color" (9x) and "colour" (25x). The article was started by an IP in Romania. The first use of a British / American distinguishing word was the fourth edit which was "colour". Should a {{EngvarB}} be added and the spellings changed? Cheers Adakiko (talk) 08:44, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Should probably. I'll take a look later. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. If you think it should, let me know. I'm willing to change it. Mess up my spelling abilities further. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 09:56, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Why are you deleting accurate information that I have been providing sources for to prove what I'm inserting is factual information?

When I first saw this post I was shocked that it faslely accused Patrick Lancaster of being a Putin Propagandist. There is plenty of easily found, and I have been providing links to proof, that Patrick Lancaster is a legitimate Independent Journalist, who has been risking his life reporting from the frontlines of the Ukraine Civil War that has been going on since 2014, and he has continued to report of the now U.S. Proxy War in Ukriane against Russia. I also provided links to reports from legitimate sources that this is a U.S. Proxy War. So since I have been providing legitimate sources to everything I posted, why do you keep deleting the factual information I have been sharing? What can I do to ensure that this post does not continue to promote false information about Patrick Lancaster. You know it really isn't right that a man as brave as Patrick Lancaster is maligned when he is only trying to do his job to report the real news from a war zone. OK. You're response please. GuthrieSeeger (talk) 08:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@GuthrieSeeger: Patrick Lancaster is not under any editorial review, can say anything he wants on his YouTube channel, and he is not a wp:reliable source. See wp:user generated content. Adakiko (talk) 09:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

The sources I have provided, that have been deleted by you, are from legitimate sources including: The Nation, The Washington Post, as well as, Arena, Redacted, and Cyrus Janssen's Youtube Channel. I also don't know how Lancaster cannot be a reliable source for his own personal history, who knows more about our personal history than ourselves, everyone else's view of our personal history is just their opinion. I can back up everything I've been sharing with sources. I am not making anything up. So how can I proceed to ensure that factual information about Patrick Lancaster is shared in this post, because just about all of the sources negative opinions that do not comport to your neutral standards. I just want factual information about Patrick Lancaster on a Wikipedia page about him, not the slander that this page has been promoting. So how do I proceed to ensure factual information is on this page? And will you please delete the negative opinion sitings that are completely one sided and not balanced in any way. I have been trying to provide balance. All my best to you. GuthrieSeeger (talk) 09:38, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, whatever you say. See WP:NPOV. Most sources consider him to be a propaganda outlet, not an independent journalist risking his life to tell the "truth". Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:44, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended content

Here's a list of POLITICIANS & WORLD LEADERS of are reporting similar information as Patrick Lancaster about the Ukriane War. Are they included in your most sources? Should we consider them all Putin Puppets? Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Former President of Brazil. Clare Daly, Irish Member of the European Parliament. Pope Francis, Head of the Catholic Church & Sovereign of the Vatican City State. Tulsi Gabbard, Former U.S. Representative. George Galloway, Host of "The Mother Of All Talk Shows with George Galloway", is a British politician, broadcaster, writer & leader of the Workers Party of Britain, since 2019. He's also founder & spokesman of All for Unity in Scotland. From 1987-2010 & 2012-2015, he was a Member of Parliament for 4 constituencies, 1st the Labour Party & later the Respect Party, which he joined in 2004 & led 2013-2016. President Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico said the allies’ (NATO) policy was equivalent to saying “I’ll supply the weapons, and you supply the dead. It is immoral.” “Couldn’t the war in Ukraine have been avoided? Of course it could.” Rand Paul, U.S. Senator. Diane Sare, Independent N.Y. Candidate for the U.S. Senate. Mick Wallace, Irish Member of the European Parliament. Geoff Young, Political Activist, Retired Environmental Engineer, & Democratic Candidate for Kentucky's 6th Congressional District. He worked for the Kentucky Department for Energy Development & Independence, & is the Former Assistant Director of the Kentucky Division of Energy & the Kentucky Energy & Environment Cabinet. 141.239.218.251 (talk) 23:25, 2 September 2022 (UTC) Here's a list of DIPLOMATIC, INTELLIGENCE & MILITARY EXPERTS who are reporting the same information about the Ukraine War as Patrick Lancaster. Are they all Putim Puppets? Are they on you list of most sources? Jacques Baud, Former Colonel of the General Staff of Swiss Strategic Intelligence & Specialist on Eastern countries. He served as Policy Chief for the U.N. Peace Operations. As a U.N. expert on role of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional U.N. Intelligence Unit in Sudan. He has worked for the African Union against the proliferation for small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he participated in programs to assist Ukraine following the 2014 coup. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war, and terrorism. Colonel Richard Black (ret) was a career military officer, who served in both the U.S. Marines and in the U.S. Army JAG Corps. He served a total of 31 years active and reserve, rising from the rank of private to full colonel. He served as a helicopter pilot in the US Marines during the Vietnam War, where he flew 269 combat missions, and earned the Purple Heart. He also served as Forward Air Controller for the 1st Marine Regiment, making 70 combat patrols in the jungle, for which he earned the Navy Commendation Medal with "V" for valor. Larry C. Johnson, formerly with the CIA & the State Department's Office of Counter Terrorism. He provided training to the US military's Special Operations community for 24 years. Heinz Kissinger, Politician, Diplomat, Geopolitical Consultant, & former U.S. Secretary of State & National Security Advisor for presidents Richard Nixon & Gerald Ford. Andrei Martyanov, Expert on Russian Military and Naval issues. He was born in Baku, USSR, graduated from the Kriov Naval Red Banner Academy and served as an officer on the ships and staff position of Soviet Coast Guard through 1990. He lives in the United States. Jack Foust Matlock Jr., Former Ambassador to the USSR from 1987 to 1991, Specialist in Soviet Affairs, career Foreign Service Officer, Teacher, Historian, and Linguist. Ray McGovern, Former CIA Officer turned political activist. He was a CIA analyst from 1963 to 1990, and in the 1980s chaired National Intelligence Estimates and prepared the President's Daily Brief. He received the Intelligence Commendation Medal at his retirement, returning it in 2006 to protest the CIA's involvement in torture. His post-retirement work includes commenting for Consortium News, RT, and Sputnik News, among other outlets, on intelligence and foreign policy issues. In 2003 he co-founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. Scott Ritter, Former U.N. Weapons Inspector, former U.S. Marine Intelligence Officer, and Experienced Military & Diplomatic Expert. Ritter's reports have been the most accurate and insightful on what is and will go on in the Russia/Ukraine War. Ritter has been banned from Twitter for exposing the Biden administration's and Corporate Controlled Media's pro-war propaganda to trick Americans into supporting the Russia/Ukraine War. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, Former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Experienced Military & Diplomatic Expert. 141.239.218.251 (talk) 23:31, 2 September 2022 (UTC) Here's a list of POLITICAL SCIENTISTS who's information backs up what Patrick Lancaster is reporting. Are they all Putin Puppets, and are they on your list of most sources? Dr. Charisse Burden-Stelly, Associate Professor of African Studies at Wayne State University, and Representative of The Black Peace Alliance. She was the 2020-2021 Visiting Scholar in the Race & Capitalism Project at the University of Chicago, and Assistant Professor of Africana Studies & Political Science at Carleton College. A scholar of political theory, political economy, and intellectual history, she is co-auther with Dr. Gerald Home of W.E.B. Du Bois: A Life in American History. Her published works appear in journals including: Small Axe, Souls, Du Bois Review, Socialism & Democracy, International Journal of African Studies, and the CLR James Journal. She is also the guest editor of the forthcoming "Claudia Jones: Foremother of World Revolutions" special issue of the Journal of Intersectionality and a regular contributor to Black Perspectives, the award-winning blog of the African American Intellectual History Society. As a visiting scholar, she will complete her book manuscript, tentatively titled Black Scare/Red Scare, in which she examines the rise of the U.S. global hegemony between WWI and the early Cold War at the intersection of racial capitalism, imperialism, anticommunism, and the super-exploitation and oppression of Blackness. The Black Peace Alliance's position on the War in Ukraine and NATO is to call out the "so-called Leftists who are putting out the State Department line of conflict." - Dr. Charisse Burden-Stelly, Coordinating Committee, The Black Peace Alliance. Noam Chomsky is a U.S. Linguist, Philosopher, Cognitive Scientist, Historical Essayist, Social Critic, and Political Activist. He is a major figure in Analytic Philosophy and one of the Founders of the field of Cognitive Science. He is a Laureate Professor of Linguistics at the University of Arizona and an Institute Professor Emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and is the author of more than 150 books on topics such as linguist, war, politics, and mass media. Ideologically, he aligns with anarcho-syndicalism and libertarian socialism. Stephen Cohen, Professor Emeritus of Russian Studies & Politics, NY University & Princeton University, Contributing Editor for the Nation. Professor Cohen is the author of "Soviet Fates & Lost Alternatives: From Stalinism to the New Cold War" and "The Victims Returns: Survivors of the Gulag After Stalin". Robert Hockett is a U.S. Lawyer, Law Professor, and Policy Advocate. He holds two positions at Cornell University (Edward Cornell Professor of Law at Cornell Law School and a Professor of Public Affairs), is Senior Counsel at investment firm Westwood Capital, and was a Fellow at The Century Foundation think tank. He is an adviser to Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the Green New Deal. Peter Kuznick, Professor of History & Director of the Nuclear Studies Institute at American University in Washington D.C. He is the author of “Beyond the Laboratory: Scientists As Political Activists in 1930s America”, co-author of “Rethinking the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima & Nagasaki: Japanese & American Perspectives”, co-author of "Nuclear Power & Hiroshima: The Truth Behind the Peaceful Use of Nuclear Power", & co-editor of Rethinking Cold War Culture. He and Oliver Stone co-authored the 10 part Showtime documentary film series and book both titled “The Untold History of the United States”. He regularly provides commentary for all the major U.S. and international media and has begun his fourth three-year term as Organization of American Historians Distinguished Lecturer. Professor John Mearsheimer, Renowned American Political Scientist & International Relations Scholar, who is a Russia and Ukraine Expert, who has been warning for many years that the expansion of NATO would inevitable lead to war with Russia. Professor Jen Jorgen Nielsen, is a former Moscow Correspondent for the Danish Daily Politiken. He is the Author of several books about Russia and Ukraine, and a leader of the Russian-Danish Dialogue organization. He is also an Associate Professor of Communications and Culture Differences at the Niels Brock Business College in Denmark. Professor Gabriel Rockhill, French-American Philosopher, Writer, Cultural Critic, and Activist. Professor of Philosophy at Villanova University, Founder & Director of the Critical Theory Workshop/Atelier de Theorie Critique, and former Directeur de programme at the College International de Philosophie. He is a regular contributor to public intellectual debate, and his writings have circulated widely in CounterPunch, Black Agenda Report, the NY Times, Liberation, and the Los Angeles Review of Books. Proffesor Jeffrey Sachs, U.S. Public Policy Analyst, Academic & Economist is Director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University. He's President of the U.N. Sustainable Development Solutions Network. He served as adviser to three U.N. Secretary-Generals. His latest article is headlined "The West's False Narrative About Russia & China." 141.239.218.251 (talk) 23:35, 2 September 2022 (UTC) Finally here's a list of UKRAINE DOCUMENTARIES that document the same information Patrick Lancaster is sharing. Are they on your list of most sources? Anne Laure Bonnel, French Investigative Journalist & Documentarian has been reporting from the front lines of the Ukraine War since 2014. Her 2016 documentary "Donbass" documents the Ukrainian army's targeting of the civilian population of Donbass. Her frustration is that her stories on what's really going on in Ukraine are regularly censored by the French media. Igor Lopatonok is a Ukrainian/Russian Filmmaker who Directed Oliver Stone's documentaries "Ukraine on Fire" (2016) and "Revealing Ukraine" (2019). He also directed "Ukraine: 30 Years of Independence (2021). Oliver Stone, Decorated Vietnam Veteran, Academy Award Winning Film Maker & Producer of several historical political documentaries. Stone's documentary "Ukraine On Fire" has been scrubbed from the internet because it exposes the pro-war propaganda lies the Biden administration and the Corporate Controlled Media are using to manipulate Americans to support the Russia/Ukraine War. Stone's other relevant documentaries that give an historical context to the Russia Ukraine War include: "Revealing Ukraine", "The Putin Interviews", and "Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States." 141.239.218.251 (talk) 23:37, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@GuthrieSeeger, please bring your concerns to the talk page of the article. IntrepidContributor (talk) 17:47, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended content

::You're obviously not looking at most sources, because most sources say he is an independent journalist risking his life to tell the truth. There is definitely a pro-war propaganda campaign against any journalists trying to get the truth out about the Ukraine War. Here's a list of INTERNATIONAL JOURNALISTS RISKING THEIR LIVES REPORTING FROM UKRAINE who are reporting essentially the same information as Patrick Lancaster. Eva Bartlett, Award Winning, Canadian, Independent Investigative Journalist, reports live from the frontlines of the Russia/Ukraine War. Eva has spent years in conflict zones in the Middle East, especially Syria and Palestine. In 2017 Eva received the International Journalism Award for International Reporting. Giorgio Bianchi, Italian Photojournalist, Documentary Photographer, who has covered stories in Syria, Ukraine, Burkina Faso, Vietnam, Myanmar, Nepal, India, and Europe. Since 2013 he has made several trips to Ukraine, where he followed closely the Ukraine crisis from the Euromaidan protests until the outbreak of war between the government army and the pro-Russian separatists. From his footage and photos about the Donbass conflict he is making a docufilm entitled "Apocalypse Donbass". He has won several international prizes and has received many public recognitions, and his photos are regularly published in newspapers and magazines. His work has been exhibited in many national and international festivals. He is currently represented by Witness Image. Alejandro Kirk, Investigative Journalist & Correspondent with teleSUR Media has reported from the frontlines of the Russia/Ukraine War. Patrick Lancaster, Independent Investigative Journalist & U.S. Navy Veteran, has been risking his life reporting from the front lines of the Ukraine War zone since 2014. "I show what the western media will not show you." - Patrick Lancaster. Alina Lipp is a German-Russian Independent Investigative Journalist, Documentarian, who runs a the Telegram channel "New from Russia." Alina has been risking her life reporting directly from the front-lines of the US Proxy War in Ukraine since February 2022. She is currently working on a documentary of victims of the U.S. Empire's Proxy War in Ukraine. For her accurate reporting on Ukrainian military war crimes, the German government is threatening her with 3 years in prison. Gonzalo Lira, Chilian Investigative Journalist, who reports from Kharhov, Ukraine about the corruption of the Zelensky government. He was picked up by Ukrainian security services, held for a week, he's not allowed to leave the city, they confiscated his cell phone and computer, and he is essentially under house arrest. Johnny Miller is a British Correspondent with Press TV, an international TV news network with bureaus in London, Beirut, Kabul, Damascus & Baghdad, to help them report international news faster & more accurately. Liu Sivaya, Spanish Political Scientist & War Correspondent. Lindsey Snell is a U.S. Investigative Journalist risking her life covering conflict in Ukraine, the Caucasus, Middle East & North Africa. She is a Corporation for Public Broadcasting Edward R. Murrow Award Winner. She produces videos & documentaries used by ABC News, MSNBC, Vice, Discovery Digital Networks, VICE on HBO & Ozy, her print work has appeared in Foreign Policy, The Daily Beast, North Press Agency & The Investigative Journal. Her documentaries include: The U (2009), Square Grouper: The Godfathers of Ganja (2011), Cocaine Cowboys: Reloaded, Limelight (2011), Broke (2012), & Collision Course: The Murder of Don Aronow (2013). Sonja Van den Ende, Independent Freelance Investigative Journalist from Netherlands who was on the frontlines in Mariupol and has written about Syria, the Middle East, and Russia. 141.239.218.251 (talk) 23:19, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@GuthrieSeeger: Stop spamming my talkpage with your cherrypicked and/or misrepresented sources, I've collapsed them under the "extended content" template to make my talkpage atually readable. And please log in. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:33, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Look I wasn't spamming you, and I didn't cherrypikc or misrepresent sources, you can check them out they are all legitiamte. You said most sources claim Patrick Lancaster was a Russian propagandist, and I shared legitmate sources that have been saying the same thing that Lancaster has been reporting, so if he's a Russian propagandist them so is the Pope and Henry Kissenger. Watch Olive Stone's documentary on Ukraine, it is reporting the same information Lancaster has been reporting. Look all I'm asking for is legitimate accurate information be shared on Patrick Lancasters Wikipedia page. Maybe you have a prejudice against him, but if so you shouldn't let that negate your neutral approach to sharing who he really is and what he is really doing. All my best to you. 141.239.218.251 (talk) 05:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

PS I didn't know I was overloading your system, my apologies, I wont do it again. All my best to you. 141.239.218.251 (talk) 05:50, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Parralells can be drawn between the views of these people, but to suggest that they are saying all the same things that Lancaster is would be stretching things way too far.

However, sources that are saying the same or similar things to what Lancaster is saying aren't important here. What is important is whether they consider him to be a propaganda outlet or not. If you are taking the fact that Lancaster's reporting sometimes matches up with things that people like the Pope or whoever is saying, and saying that it means he mustn't be a propaganda outlet for the Kremlin, then you need to read Wikipedia:No original research. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:07, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Before reverting...

...Please make sure that the edits you're reverting are actually vandalism and the same goes for reporting users to WP:AIV. In this diff, you restored vandalism that the user had removed.

But even if that had been vandalism, the user you reported had received no warnings at all.

I understand that the username reasonably led you to believe that he was a vandal, but in this case the edits were good. You could have reported him to WP:UAA, but, probably, since the user seems to be editing in good faith, he would have been given a warning that his username is against policy, which I'm about to do. Salvio 09:03, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@Salvio giuliano: Thanks, I really should have checked the edits. 🤦‍♂️ Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:39, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Honda_Accord edit

Would you please check this edit on Honda_Accord. Changing the English variant on the European version only. Should it be spelled that way? Thanks Adakiko (talk) 22:40, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

A discussion on the anon's talk page. Adakiko (talk) 22:46, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

An amusing event on Honda Accord talk page discussion The Russians Scientologists Chinese British are taking over! Adakiko (talk) 09:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

How?

How my edits are not supported by sources?[1]

Look at the attached sources!

First one say "While this practice was never widespread, and is now obsolete".

Second one say "Suttee, or sati, is the obsolete Hindu practice"

"was" was a correct word for using. You should revert your edit. 103.240.204.164 (talk) 05:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

"Sati is the obsolete Hindu practice", is the first line of the quote. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:23, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

"is a Hindu practice" make it seem as if it is practiced as recently as today. It is misleading.

You need to either insert "was" or "is obsolete" before "Hindu practice" by yourself. If I did, then another drive-by page patroller will revert me just like you have. 103.240.204.164 (talk) 05:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I have no objection to you changing it to "is the obsolete Hindu practice", since that is the closest to the source given. Just mention you've discussed it with me in the edit summary. If a patroller reverts you then, I will back you up. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I can do it myself if you'd still rather me do so. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Though I'll be offline for a few hours, so it may not happen quickly. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I changed it myself. 103.240.204.164 (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Cheers. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:22, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Scott Taylor writer’s page -bio

I was just linking to another Wiki page that has the source of the awards cited. This is the same writer listed in the bio page and on the AWGIE Stage page. I felt they should be linked. 175.39.92.96 (talk) 11:46, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thats fine, thanks for the explanation, but just try to avoid also deleting the section heading when you do so. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:59, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

https://roeulx.fr/la-commune/roeulx/histoire-de-la-ville/

https://roeulx.fr/la-commune/roeulx/histoire-de-la-ville/

river is not a wheel , the coat of arms of Roeulx ( lion on green ) is from 1838.

The roero family say several branch in France, Suisse, and Flandria. Three silver whell on red, Geoffroy Chancer write Catherine Roet 3 silver wheel on red. That appear on the simply maner form of the Lancastre too. In the old Eraldic of Ingland the silver become gold when you take the royalty. Ex the brother of Jhon Gaunt 1066, archishop of Lincoln. Roero is wheel.You cant change the history of the Roeulx and their old coat of arms , red one wheel on gold. 87.231.197.72 (talk) 06:51, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

In that case, please cite your source when you alter it. You are welcome to change it, but please use the source. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Gift

Thanks, is this like a kitten? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Want to create a new page

So actually i wanted to create a new page but of different language. So, i was creating a link for it to make the new page. If there is any other way I can create new page in other language then please tell me Devanshhh (talk) 09:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Devanshhh: If Hindi is your first language and you want to contribute in Hindi, there is a Hindi version of Wikipedia, at hi.wikipedia.org. There are also Wikipedias in all the other major languages of India (and indeed the whole world). Does this help? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:38, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Edits

My proposed edits are supported by cites credible sources. You deleted without providing any reason. This is censorship! 24.161.120.233 (talk) 12:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh dear me, thats dreadful.

You have misrepresented the sources, which is a clear violation of WP:BLP. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:38, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Mass revert of Jeevan2022

Hi, Mako. I've tempblocked Jeevan2022 for continuing to make edits that had been contested. I can't say I'm too happy about having to make that block, though. As far as I can tell, Jeevan's edits, or at least many of them, were correct? Per Odisha, the state's official name was Orissa till 2011. We only moved the article itself in 2013. Jeevan seems to be on the right side of MOS:PLACE, specifically its final paragraph (Avoid anachronism.) Looking at Jeevan's first edit, for instance, it indeed seems accurate (achronistic? chronistic?) to say that John Hubback, governor of the state in the '30s and '40s, was governor of Orissa. Jeevan used the less common transliteration Orisha instead, which is an issue for consistency reasons, but not grounds for a revert, since it's still a net-positive edit. And then they changed to Orissa after 14 edits.

We all make mistakes sometimes, and again, Jeevan should have discussed with you rather reverting, but WP:BITE does apply here. If you are going to mass-revert someone for good-faith edits, at the very least you should be writing them a custom note explaining the issue and hopefully starting a discussion. Would that have helped in this case? Eh, probably not. But taking the time to write such a note might have made you stop and ask yourself if you were sure you were right on what the guidelines say about this kind of thing, and perhaps avoided me having to block of someone who was trying to contribute constructively. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 04:35, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Thanks, I should've really looked at it more closely. Since generally making mass changes like that is disruptive, I had (incorrectly) assumed that this was disruptive as well. Admonition appreciated. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:34, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Mark Block

Hi there - I just noticed your message on my page.

Checks on WP’s recent deaths section indicates the recent death on the subject, hence my edits. Would this need a source regarding his death? I’ve only edited articles with grammatical errors before, and I haven’t had time to read through the user guides as I’m currently on vacation, which is why I wanted to reach out to avoid any confusion.

Thank you! とってもは大丈夫だ (talk) 05:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@AllfadrOdinn: Ah, I see now. The "Deaths in 2022" page was updated, but not Bloch's own page. You are welcome to reinclude the death information, so long as you cite the source provided on the "Deaths in 2022" page. Here is the source: <ref>[http://mpgu.su/novosti/pamjati-marka-jakovlevicha/ Памяти Марка Яковлевича Блоха] {{in lang|ru}}</ref>. Do you want to reinclude that material? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:49, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mako, I appreciate the help, I’ve just updated the article + reference - thank you! とってもは大丈夫だ (talk) 06:37, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@AllfadrOdinn: No worries. Cheerio and happy editing! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

"first" has been changed t0 "foremost"

The former was never intended to reflect some sorts of "PEAKCOCK TONE", however, I believe he worked for years to self-earn that line... however, here's "foremost" for your candid consideration...

Cheers! Obadeog (talk) 11:26, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Obadeog: unless you've got an independent, reliable source that calls him "foremost" it is still a peacock term. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:34, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Done! Your wish stands Sir! Obadeog (talk) 14:12, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Xenon 2000

I couldn't reply on my talk page, not sure why. After more research, the game isn't a remake, it's a much shorter demo with a similar design. All explained in my recent revision, so I think it should have it's own page since the only relation to xenon 2 is the style of game. 86.22.114.197 (talk) 04:07, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Often, information about one topic is best presented as part of the article on another topic. Unless you think that you would be able to expand this article much beyond what it is currently, it would still be best presented as a section on the Xenon 2: Megablast article. If you think you would be able to expand it significantly, then you will need to make sure you can demonstrate notability if required (such as at an AfD). If you wouldn't be able to, then it would be best presented as part of one of the mentioned articles. I hope this helps? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:37, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

About a removal

I noticed that you removed this section, is there any good reason to do that? Mehedi Abedin 16:33, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mehediabedin: Sorry, I'll reinclude it, it was collateral damage from a reversion of their additions of similar data to top level pages for entire countires, something which was both undue wieght and rather misleading. I may just re-check their other edits, as it had looked like they were all countries, but apparently, some weren't. Thanks for picking it up. Cheerio and happy editing! Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:29, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mehediabedin: I've run through their contribs again. There were several others that they had made to lower level pages. However most of these (all but one) had other issues entirely, specifically, that the data they were presenting as being for that particular town/city/commune was actually an average for a broader geographic area. Without specific data, this was potentially inaccurate and misleading, since the pollution for the town/city/commune could have been higher or lower than the average. Again, thanks for raising this. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:08, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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Lu Xun page

Wiki logged me out, so edited as a "new user" - I had initially added a missing quote mark instinctually upon noticing it (this is the edit you seem to have reverted) - subsequently, I noticed that the paragraph was more or less an abrupt long quote from Mao which had already been cited about two paragraphs up, so deleted it and moved the citation (and a concluding sentence linking this all to recent textbook changes) to that section. I hope this is not an unwelcome change! LookOnMyEditsYeMighty^(talk) 02:47, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@LookOnMyEditsYeMighty: Shoot, sorry, I didn't actually mean to revert that! I'd actually looked at it, decided it was fine, then moved on, but must've reverted instead without meaning to. Thanks for letting know! Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@LookOnMyEditsYeMighty: Oh I see, I reverted the edit where the " was added (I couldnt tell what that was, and it seemed to be the only change made, so I figured it was a test), but I was fine with the others. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll fix up the quote mark, I hadn't noticed the second one. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:55, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

No sweat re: any of it - mostly had the same realization about being accidentally logged out and worried I looked sketch dropping edits w/ no description haha. Glad it's all nbd. LookOnMyEditsYeMighty^(talk) 03:17, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

External link removed

Hello,

You just removed an external link I added on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joystick_(magazine) . This link provided an easy way to consult online high resolution scanned version of all issue of this magazine. I think it's helpful for everybody interested y this subject/page.

I hope you can please restore the link.

Have a nice day :) RetroMarco (talk) 05:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@RetroMarco: When was the magazine published? If the original work is still in copyright, Wikipedia policy disallows anyone from adding links to scans of it. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:30, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer.

It was published in 1988, the website Abandonzines say the following :

"The fact of offering you these magazines is tolerated because they have not been on sale for a long time, they have therefore become untraceable and their availability therefore does not entail any financial loss for the rights holders. You do not have the right to sell the magazines offered. The contents of the magazines and copies of data carriers available on this site are the property of their respective owners. If you are the beneficiary of a magazine or content offered on this site, you can assert your rights and request its withdrawal or adjustments by contacting us via contact abandonzines.com.".

So it seems to be legit as all the magazines title on this website are officially dead. RetroMarco (talk) 05:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Not exactly. As I read it, they are saying this: "Yes, it is copyrighted still, and we know, but we aren't going to make money on it, you aren't allowed to either, and if anyone complains about a magazine on here, we will remove it".

So it is most definitely copyrighted, and I cannot restore the links.

The fact that the magazines in question were "abandoned" by their copyright holders doesn't affect the fact that they are still subject to copyright, and are reproduced on that site without the copyright holders permission. Therefore, WP:ELNEVER applies, and the site is not allowed to be linked to. Does this help? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@RetroMarco: pinging, forgot to first time Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:45, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your clear answer. I understand.

Have a nice day. RetroMarco (talk) 05:46, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

PS : same for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt_(French_magazine) .

Why my edit was reversed?

The casualty estimates did include conjecture . It literally says MART Laar came to those casualties due to the the length of the operation. 2401:4900:5998:2EAA:AD1D:393C:E115:9D46 (talk) 08:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, then you can add this {{dubious}} which gives this Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Judd Hamilton Wikipedia page

Hello Mako001, I am not a Wikipedia expert in any way, shape, or form, while keeping my personal Wikipedia information 1000% accurate and up to date is seriously, seriously important. Accordingly, regarding my current activities, as you have for whatever reason repeatedly removed my correction attempts this evening I further validated my invention and corporate management work with factually accurate links. Again as I am not an expert in Wikipedia operations maybe I'm inserting factual links incorrectly or you simply do not believe the truth of what I am sharing. Either way my professional reputation is now being compromised. My question, why? Please reply to my email [removed] so we can sort this increasingly frustrating matter out as quickly as possible. Thank you, Judd Hamilton 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 08:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

First, I do not intend to engage in off-wiki communication, communication will stay on Wikipedia. Once I've had your email address permanently removed from here (you really dont want it here), I will reply in further detail. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Further to my just sent message, apart from inquiring on the USPTO site under patent search by inserting my name as "Hamilton, Judd", the most readily available source substantiating my patented inventions is https://patents.justia.com/inventor/judd-hamilton, and my corporate management duties are substantiated at http:/ceramiccement.com (contact page) and http://ecoc3.org.(contact page) Hoping to clear up this frustrating confusion as soon as possible.... 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 08:47, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

One of my corporate web site references needs correcting to http://ceramiccement.com (contact page) 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 08:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I understand about not using personal email for communicating. In that regard I would appreciate an estimate as to how long it will take you to analyze the factual info i.e., specific web links confirming my invention / corporate activities that I provided as it now going 2am in my section of the globe. 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 09:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, the second time your content was added, it was removed as the content was considered promotional. I agree. The sources used were also not very good, and were not independent, reliable sources. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Please excuse me, I will be unable to respond further for about 30 minutes. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:52, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean not reliable? How much more reliable can https://patents.justia.com/inventor/judd-hamilton and related corporate websites be? Bottom-line: This is now moving into seriously contentious territory. Not only as an appreciated Wikipedia listed person (no idea how the JH page first appeared several years ago amazingly well researched i.e. accurate to my 60 year music / media production / material science activities), also as a long time Wikipedia donator! Okay, as I seriously believe in the truth, the whole truth, and NOTHING but the truth 'or else', I am now going to exhaustedly wait until you get back to me with your requested answers (hopefully serious reconsidered) within the next 30 mins. 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 09:16, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I've now been waiting 40 mins. Please inform when you can reply. 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 09:41, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, as I wait anxiously for an update there is nothing promotional or meant to be promotional about my current professional activities, full stop! All of which is factually (not promotionally) based on the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth of what I have factually achieved, not hope to achieve.... 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 09:46, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Hey Mako, You stated 30 min.'s and it's now been 1-hr. i.e., 3am where I live. So.... if you have become so overloaded you can't carry on this dialog tonight simply and please send a quick message stating that's the case. If so we can resume this seriously, seriously important debate tomorrow. Subject to letting me know when you are available U.S. West Coast time. 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 10:04, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I've had it. The last couple of hours have now been wasted with no reasonable resolution. So onward to resolving these personally insulting issues tomorrow or moving this increasingly serious matter into a higher realm of Wikipedia management authority. Having respected Wikipedia as the most important, freely accessible, wide ranging information source in the history of the world, what I am experiencing in this communication has thrown a new light on a new question. Why is Wikipedia arbitrarily dominated, thereby controlled, by anonymous individuals. Especially when one's professional credibility is placed in question? That serious! While I also understand this increasing troublesome world is filled with evil people playing evil games that can or could easily misuse Wikipedia freedom of access unless honestly and factually monitored and managed by what I suspect are volunteers like yourself. So well done on the level Mako while your refusal to respect the sources I provided continues to be incomprehensible. Have a good day or night wherever you reside and Onward to what will be will be.... 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 10:29, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

The website you provided is a primary source, these are discouraged. It is also not an independent source, as you yourself submitted those documents for the patent. For this reason it doesn't meet Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and so the content you wish to add is not able to be verified by it. Verifiability is very important, and regardless of whether it is true or not, it can't be added unless it is actually verifiable. If you are still concerned about your professional reputation, take it to WP:BLP/N. More people monitor that, so you would hopefully get a response quicker. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:36, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, if you have chosen to stay up till 3am, that isn't my problem. Responding within 24 hours is typically considered "prompt", so your demands for me to repsond in a fraction of that time "or else" are not very appropriate. I know I said 30 mins, but things happen in real life. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:41, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Please, by all means escalate this further to Wikipedia management if you aren't satisfied with how I am responding. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

• I've blocked the IP from the article, and asked him to be more civil in the future. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 10:56, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

  @Tamzin: Thanks. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

  Mako, Yes, as I stated if you became overloaded, whatever, simply let me know so we could continue our serious debate tomorrow. With my entire night now wasted on this unresolved, personally disturbing matter. Thus, based on the facts I have provided what you are arbitrarily deciding is at best offensive to my reputation protecting point of view. Including and especially the invention verification link https://patents.justia.com/inventor/judd-hamilton, I personally provided to factually counter and hopefully overcome your impossible to understand rejection of said 'evidence'. As far as the web sites being personally managed corporate web sites, you may have a point while how else am I suppose to honestly and factually verify my corporate management activities? If you are still receiving my relies, surely with all the factual info already stated on the JH Wikipedia page my current professional activities remain important to people accessing said Wiki info not for my showbiz background and instead to confirm my science/ corporate related responsibilities. Which was stated when it was listed and accepted at the bottom of the page as CURRENT ACTIVITIES. Wile when I moved said wording to the intro section to be more accessible you have repeatedly removed current information that had already been approved? If you're there please provide a more reasonable reason as to why you are personally rejecting the easily verifiable current activity info I provided. 2601:601:D02:2120:298C:378C:7F80:E1D4 (talk) 11:38, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

  Look, just go to bed, have decent sleep, and we'll try this again tomorrow, ok? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:17, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

  Or as decent as you can have, at least. Can I suggest that you put this on hold for a while? Let's say, give it 10 hours before you resume this discussion, but I can't give any gaurantee of when I'll respond tomorrow, but it should be sometime before UTC 08:00 (local midday). Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:24, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

  I will attempt to explain again what the issues with the addition were.

  1. The sources used were not independent sources. Independent sources are a necessary foundation for any article. Although Wikipedia is not paper, it is also not a dumping ground for any and all information that readers consider important or useful. For the sake of neutrality, Wikipedia cannot rely upon any editor's opinion about what topics are important.

  2. The sources used were primary sources, WP:BLPPRIMARY says: Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, no original research, and the other sourcing policies. (Emphasis was not mine) Note that, as no secondary source was provided for the material you backed with a primary source (the patent verification database), it cannot be included. Further, as was raised by another editor, the patent and company is not connected to you (the Judd Hamilton singer, musician, etc.) (as opposed to another Judd Hamilton) by any reliable, secondary, independent source. If this connection can't be verified, it cannot be added, regardless of whether it is true or not.

  3. The use of the primary source (the patent record) violated Wikipedia:No original research, as you said that For the past 20-years Hamilton's creative efforts turned to inventing a unique ceramic cement radiation shielding material called X-Rok. But, the only thing that the source could actually verify was: "Someone called Judd Hamilton has a patent for a ceramic cement radiation shielding material which they call 'X-Rok'". Even merely adding it to this article, as was mentioned earlier, contravenes the core Wikipedia policy of Verifiability.

  4. As stated earlier, there is no connection made in reliable, independent, secondary sources that the Judd Hamilton (singer, musician, film director) and Judd Hamilton (inventor and business executive) are the same person. If you can provide evidence of this specific connection having been made by a reliable, independent, published, secondary source, then this will help a lot.

  5. If Wikipedia does not mention what you are doing since reliable, independent, secondary sources last reported on you, that is not something that can be fixed. I personally know an article subject whose Wikipedia record cuts off at a career-ending injury over 25 years ago, but who has since made a successful career in other areas, which has no mention at all in reliable, indpendent, secondary sources.

  6. Wikipedia has a guideline on the content which can go in lead sections, the content you added is not suitable for the lead, per this guideline, since it isn't mentioned in the body, I know I removed it from there, but I didn't have any issues with the place it was added, but I did have issues with what it was.

  7. You have a conflict of interest, as you are aware of. (Since you now cannot directly edit the article, this is moot). Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:43, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

  I see on your talkpage that you have decided to stop communicating and escalate this. Good luck with that. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia needs to ban Mako001. I'm sure your edits were valuable but this guy has a god-complex and thinks he knows better than anyone. Airheadtuber (talk) 09:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Feel free to investigate the complaint made immediately above, but this is what they did after getting a single piece of criticism about their edits. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:34, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

drillia driasi

how was my edit disruptive it was a recommended edit Aspiringchemistyht (talk) 02:19, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

A "recommended edit" must be correctly implemented. Your change was to add: the creamy white shell attains the lenth 9 mm, its diameter 3.75 mm. and consists of calcium carbonates and unusually for shelled animals contain little to no chi tin.this animal is carnivorous and has only one gill and one kidney;this animal is brainless

The first time you made this change, it triggered an Anti-vandalism bot to revert your change, likely due to the combined use of:

a. Lowercase when starting a sentence;

b. spelling issues;

c. The word "brainless", which is informal, perjorative, and virtually always used as an insult in English (synonym for idiot).

"Does not have a brain" or "without a brain" is not necessarily an insult, and would be more appropriate for describing some animal which lacks a brain.

The second time around, which was when I saw it, I didn't think your edit was vandalism, but, to be honest, it was not an improvement, and appeared to be disruptive. None of it was sourced either.

Despite this, you then continued to make your changes and were reverted by another user. This is not acceptable.

If you find it difficult to communicate or to contribute in English, it may be best to try to find a Wikipedia in a language you are more familiar with. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

It's because this guy just has nothing better to do than find some reason to delete your edits. Wikipedia is great Airheadtuber (talk) 09:03, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

That is total nonsense. Feel free to investigate the complaint made immediately above, but this is what they did after getting a single piece of criticism about their edits. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Not vandalism. Not a test. Perfectly proper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_Maccabiah_Games&diff=1112425765&oldid=1112425370 2603:7000:2143:8500:3DCD:36CC:C7D1:8329 (talk) 08:20, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

See your talkpage, responded there before I saw the post here. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:21, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Loretta Webb Lynn

First time to edit a page. Can the citation be the county record? Marriage bond number 131 dated 1,10,1948 Johnson County Kentucky court house. A person can go to the court house and see the actual document with this information. Thank you 64.58.201.184 (talk) 10:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Such sources are considered primary sources, and these are not usually acceptable. If you can find a secondary source, that would be better. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Gyaru information removal

I removed information about brands that are still accessible so I thought that wasn't wikipedia of MOS applicable...? I am not sure if this is correct. Thank you for paying attenton. 46.244.6.130 (talk) 08:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

The issue was that you removed several citations without explaining why, but you left the content that they were backing up. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I see; I will pay attention for next time. 46.244.6.130 (talk) 09:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Mako001 is everything that's wrong with Wikipedia

Why does anyone bother editing on Wikipedia if people like Mako001, who clearly has too much time on his hands, is just waiting to go through and erase any contributions anyone else makes even if it is common knowledge? I'll take my time somewhere else. Thanks for your help Mako001. you rock Airheadtuber (talk) 09:02, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Well, if this is how you react to any sort of criticism (making personal attacks and rage-quitting), then that is probably for the best. As a sidenote, I have no issues with the image you added after I reverted your unsourced additions. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Leon Hefflin edit

Greetings, User Mako001. It is clear you completely misconstrue the nature and thrust of the edit. As is clear in the language, Hefflin was a pioneering African-American in more than one field. As such, including his ethnicity is both relevant and an acknowledgement of (those) achievements in the context of their times. As such I am restoring it.

For the record, when you object to something in a compound edit only address - and revert - that aspect. There is no need - nor grounds for - reverting all the changes made to the Hefflin lead in contesting a single word. Cordially, 2601:196:181:BE00:70CF:BB16:C90A:5742 (talk) 12:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

There were multiple cases of non-neutral language, to the point that the whole edit was an issue. Also, the use of "pioneering" in the first sentence is virtually always not neutral, and is especially so in this case. Wikipedia:Neutral point of view is one of the core policies of Wikipedia. Your edits had a promotional tone to them, which is also not allowed. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughts on this, User Mako001. I understand the Wikipedia policy of neutrality; I believe you are over-applying it here, in an unintentional form of reverse-discrimination, feeling it necessary to erase that Hefflin's color was relevant in the context of his achievements in his era. Which are established both in the body and lead of the article (independent of any language I might have used). He was a notable Negro businessman in Los Angeles at the time there were few (at best) with his level of achievement and worth. Further, as in untouched language in the lead he produced the "first and largest" jazz event of its kind (which went on to a durable legacy in its day), after - indeed - rebounding from losing everything in the Depression. There is no "signaling" or bias in allowing a user to recognize Hefflin's achievements in the context of his color (which would not be regarded with the same significance had he been white). Cordially, 2601:196:181:BE00:70CF:BB16:C90A:5742 (talk) 13:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I have no issue with you including "African-American", I didn't realise that my reversion had removed that too.

I took issue with the "pioneering" touch and "After losing his large and successful manufacturing business in the Depression he rebounded to produce...". Putting "pioneering" in the first sentence is not suitable. Period. That is not up for debate here, and any other established editor will say the same (I don't mean to be rude, but I would rather say so directly to remove ambiguity). The "large and successful" really needs an inline citation, and "rebounded" is a peacock term, which aren't necessary, and should be dropped. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I understand the issues behind this, and I understand where you are coming from on this, the obstacles he would've faced would have been huge. "First and largest" is sourced and quantitative (both are measurable in numbers), and it is a superlative, but "large" and "successful" are not. They need to be much better sourced, large relative to what? "Successful", how do you measure success? (The latter being a fairly common question in business). The "rebounded" isn't really necessary, if you can explain in more quantitative terms how "large" and "successful" (the latter is probably an unquantifiable peacock term) his business was, readers will be able to infer his achievement, without needing to state it explicitly. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll try to explain in isolation why "large" needs more sourcing than "largest". To say that the Boeing Everett Factory includes the "largest" factory building is measurable, quantitative, and objective, floor area, internal volume, all are more than any other building like it. But to say that Jeff has a "large" factory is subjective. Greg then comes along and insists that Jeff's factory is not large, it is only mid-size, his is "large". Jane then comes along, and says that her factory is, in fact, "large", Jeff's is small, and Greg's is mid-sized. This could continue indefinitely, until the Boeing CEO gets involved, and points out that theirs is the largest. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Request more information on a particular revert and providing more context from my side

Hi Mako001,

In reference to the following revert: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangladesh&oldid=1111875276#Health, I wanted to better understand the reasoning behind why the revert was made. Before deciding to write to you, I read the following articles (Wikipedia:Kill-It-With-Fire, Wikipedia:Reliable sources and undue weight) and that was helpful for me to understand why this revert might have happened (and also some of my other similar edits were reverted from a couple other pages). Also, I wanted more information because, for similar content that I have added in other pages like (Delhi#Air pollution), it has been accepted. I am new to this process, so its possible that some of this may sound naive, but I want to better understand what's going on so that I can contribute meaningfully on a continuous basis.

But, I wanted to give you some context on why I made the addition and why I thought that it was neutral and not biased. If then, it makes sense to self-revert, request you to please do so. If not, can you please suggest what tweaks should I make (not specifics, but general pointers) that would help me publish content without it being getting reverted.

The information that I added is based on the findings of the Air Quality Life Index Project (which is one of the projects of the Energy Policy Institute at the University of Chicago) findings on which I work as a Research Associate. AQLI is a global interactive map that helps people understand the benefits to be accrued (in terms of increased Life Expectancy) if the PM2.5 pollution in their region is reduced to the WHO PM2.5 standards. These findings are based on papers published in peer-reviewed journals (references to which I can add in the article). Also, I should mention that there are various studies that study the impact of air pollution on Life Expectancy, I could not find one that calculates this impact up to the district/county level for the entire world in an interactive setup that is openly accessible and easily explorable by the public.

This is why I didn't add references to some of those other studies. But, given my explanation above, is that a significant hit to the neutrality of the page? If yes, would adding some of the other studies as references restore the neutrality?

I also want to mention that the idea behind adding "Health Impacts of Air Pollution information" to Wikipedia is that - it's currently lacking and in many pages (even country level pages) there is no mention of air pollution at all. Specifically, in many articles that talk about air pollution, the fact that air pollution has a negative impact on health and life expectancy of an individual is a piece of information that is usually missing. As we all know, that Air Pollution is leading to millions of pre-mature deaths every year, I think Wikipedia is an amazing platform to get that information out there to people quickly.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this!

Thanks!

Aq.warrior Aq.warrior (talk) 07:10, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Aq.warrior: The issues I had were:

• The data you provided often (in all but one case) wasn't specifically applicable to the area you put it in the article for. To put it another way, you were taking province/state level data, and adding it to the page for a city. To suggest that the province/state data is applicable to the city would be against Wikipedia:No original research.
• Adding data on air pollution to a country level page isn't appropriate. Countries have pages that cover specific aspects, and would be titled something like "Climate in [Country]", "Health in [Country]". For air pollution info for Bangladesh, Health in Bangladesh would be an appropriate place to add it. Although air pollution is a health issue in Bangladesh, in most places where air quality is so bad that it affects life exlectancy significantly, other health issues also tend to exist (usually, there is a common cause of both the air pollution, and the wider health issues), and these tend to be much more lethal and damaging than the air pollution. For this reason, it isn't appropriate, or due weight to add it to the country level page.
• Wikipedia is not a soapbox. I would also strongly recommend that you read the rest of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.
• It is "air pollution" not "Air Pollution", see MOS:CAPS.
• to see how to link to a page, see WP:LINK

Those are the only issues I can recall at the moment, as it was several days ago, but I hope this helps? As I see it, the issues raised above are still current, and weren't really addressed by your explanation. Thanks for discussing this, I greatly appreciate it. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:55, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, this is very helpful. Aq.warrior (talk) 13:42, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Kindly re check the edited information. it was correctly edited

Kindly re check the edited information. it was correctly edited 49.43.99.65 (talk) 08:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Re-checked, but I'm still not seeing how that is possibly correct, it is just an ordinary galvanic/voltaic cell/battery, so the cathode is the positive terminal and the anode is the negative terminal. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:00, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

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Ashley McGuire Wiki page

You have reverted a correction I made. This is my wiki page, and I changed a credit in the headline because Vicky Houghton in the BBC drama This Is Going To Hurt is a lead role for me and has been sold and critically acclaimed worldwide, whereas the character in Eastenders was minor and a long time ago. Please change it back to my correction, or allow me to do so. Thank you so much. 78.148.176.234 (talk) 13:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia.

First, you don't actually own the page, even if you are the subject of it.

Second, per the policies on conflicts of interest, you should avoid editing an article about yourself.

Third, the role you have provided needs to have a citation to a reliable source, otherwise it cannot be added, per the policy on verifiability and on biographies of living persons. If you can find a citation, then you can include the content, but you really shouldn't edit the page directly (you can make an edit request though) if you have a conflict of interest.

Does this help? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

A question

Hello, I don't understand why you closed this thread so quickly, and especially, your conclusions when you said that ANI is not the right place to deal with this topic (while an admin said the opposite) and that there is no consensus when 3 out of 4 editors were in favour of a topic ban and the fourth admitted to miss context and did not respond to my last remark. clarification would be welcome. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:38, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wikaviani: The TBAN thread had been without any activity for about 48 hours, and open for well over the required 72 hours, so it wasn't actually that quick. and a TBAN at ANI needs clear consensus, as it is a fairly serious restriction on an editor. I said that there was "not consensus" that ANI was the correct place, as there were some editors who disagreed,. In addition, the degree of participation was not enough either. I probably should have mentioned the lack of participation, as four editors would be a lot less than usually comment on successful TBAN proposals. Whilst I personally would've liked to see them TBANNED, it didn't seem like there was enough motion behind it there. If you need further clarification, please let me know. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:24, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, i get your points. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

rollback use

Hi, I noticed that you sometimes use the rollback user right to remove edits in a way that exceeds the tool's intended use. For example, you marked this rolled back edit as "unnecessary, not an improvement;" it also doesn't appear that you followed up on the article's talk page, or with the editor directly. Your contributions show that you have used that same edit summary hundreds of times recently, which could be construed as a misuse of this important use right. Rollback is much more convenient to use than undoing an edit, but please take another look at WP:ROLLBACKUSE to refresh your understanding of when it's appropriate. All the best. ~TPW 13:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@True Pagan Warrior: There was something else that was going on there, and I'll explain further on that later if you'd like.

Even so, I will take a more care to ensure that I am using this tool appropriately. Thanks. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:27, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I understand that there are appropriate reasons to use as you did, but since they weren't apparent I wanted to make sure you were aware. No need to share the details; I have no reason not to assume good faith. ~TPW 14:31, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Justification for Dr. Khalil Gatlin as Notable DBA

Thanks Mak for trying to help me. Kind of difficult to grasp what they are asking for but below I put authenticated sites of the information that was listed for Dr. Gatlin as executive administrator: infor is fromm United States CHamber of COmmerce and San Antonio CHamber of Commerce, University sites with information and society of human resource managment article under their site. NOt really sure what else that can be done to authenticate, I can send you tax ID numbers, United States Air Force DD form 214 , my adjunct professor pay stubs and W-2, transcripts, certiciation for Doctor's society etc. Whatever attacvhjents you nee I can send to you via email or whatever you need2603:8081:4202:E71E:10ED:7457:A0A9:23C2 (talk) 05:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC). @Mako001

I do not need any of those things, please do not send them.

Entries should not be added to lists like that unless they have their own Wikipedia article. To have their own article, they must meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Otherwise, such lists would end up with hundreds, thousands, thousands upon thousands of entries, which would render them useless, and make the article far too long. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Risknamaa

Why you seems that my addition is inappropriate? Writerprashant (talk) 08:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Writerprashant: Please read Wikipedia:External links Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:47, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

My edit is correct

My edit is correct I keep up to date on social media about guests. SW099 (talk) 10:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@SW099: Please read Wikipedia:Reliable sources, social media is not usually a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

So the show posting they have a guest is wrong? That would be weird. The show doesn’t publish it on the internet. SW099 (talk) 11:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Isn’t reliable* is what I meant SW099 (talk) 11:05, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@SW099:If a verified "official" social media account makes a statement (similarly to a press release) then you would be able to use it, but it would still be subject to certain restrictions, I'd recommend reading WP:QUESTIONABLE which covers this somewhat. Of course, if you can find it reported anywhere in any secondary source, then that would be preferable to the social media post. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Am I Going to Get Banned Now?

I'm sorry for my mistake. I'm new and don't understand what is which yet, or where to input certain things into the interface. Am I in trouble? Vepuei (talk) 12:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

@VepueiNot really, and no, you aren't going to be banned anytime in the forseeable future. I'll leave you some links to read to get you started. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the links. Very thorough. Very helpful! Keep up the good work! Vepuei (talk) 14:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Bruce Shand Question

The convention of British Queen consorts in relation to their parents is that their parents’ issue section refer to them in such format:

“[Name], Queen of the United Kingdom”

In Christian IX of Denmark’s article, Queen Alexandra was referred to as in the issue section as: “Alexandra, Queen of the United Kingdom” Francis, Duke of Teck: “Mary, Queen of the United Kingdom” And all subsequent consorts. I don’t see how “Camilla, Queen of the United Kingdom” causes issue when it’s format is in such a way to keep consistency with previous Queen consorts, or how it violates manual of style when the format I edited was quite literally convention. 68.117.242.195 (talk) 08:34, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Both of those two examples are for Queens who were married to a foreign prince or king, are they not? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

True but there is also Claude Bowes-Lyon, 14th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne, where his daughter Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother is referred to in the Issue section as “Elizabeth, Queen of the United Kingdom.” Bowes-Lyon was a British commmoner, not a foreign prince. If you want to go even further in history, John Seymour (1474-1536) who was very English, had a daughter who is referred to as “Jane, Queen of England” in the Issue section. 68.117.242.195 (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, makes sense then. I'm fine with you changing it, just reference this discussion in the edit summary when you do so. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:34, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for understanding! AKTC3 (talk) 02:08, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

A chat about an edit I did

Hello, I am 69.94.36.145. You left a message on my talk page about an edit I did for the Touchscreen article. You seem to have not known what the edit was. If you did, I guess I wouldn't be probably be leaving this message on your talk page and you wouldn't have left the message on my talk page. What I did was fix a grammar mistake, that's all. And you reverted it. In case you don't believe me, answer this:

Should an user be written a user?

Well, all I did was change "a user operating a touchscreen" to "an user operating a touchscreen". But you reverted it. You seem to have bad grammar with A E I O U. You probably don't know that if any word comes with any of the letters in A E I O U, you have to say an before that word. But your edit on the touchscreen article proves you have BAD grammar. Why don't you check my edit? 69.94.36.145 (talk) 07:38, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello. The critical issue is not so much the letter itself, but the sound it is making. In this case, the first sound is not actually a vowel. Since it is said "yew-zer", then it is "a" not "an". Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

The same goes for "unit" (yew-nit). However, it is "an undeveloped block", as the word starts with a vowel sound. Does this clear things up? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:56, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Alright, fine. Fair enough and...you win. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.94.36.145 (talk) 08:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hanna van Vliet notability

Hello! I was wondering whether you could explain why you think Hanna van Vliet is not in line with the general notability guideline. I can imagine that the way the article was originally written, it seems as she is not known well enough internationally. But she is. She received an award for one of the 10 most promising actors of Europe, and the series and film Anne+ in which she is the main character are viewed worldwide on Netflix. That is also why there is already a French and Arab page about her. Or do you simply think the page needs more sources? Toonmaassen (talk) 08:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I would expect that, if a page has a notability template, you should either:

1. Provide sources which show notability

or

2. Show that the existing sources demonstrate notablity

or, if the first two can not be done,

3. Nominate it for deletion

Does this answer your question? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Toonmaassen: Pinging, forgot to first time.

Also (in semi-related news), content does not determine notability. In addition, having an article on a given topic on one Wikipedia does not hold any weight when determining if any other Wikipedia should have an article on the same topic, as many Wikipedias have different notability standards, or have fewer active users, so topics of questionable notability may not be noticed as quickly. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! Could you also answer my original question, how did you come to the conclusion that the subject might not be notable enough?

To react to your points, I have done some extra research to find more sources. Here are examples of sources that I believe show her notabilit, both new ones and ones that were already referenced on the page:

Existing sources (that were already on the page):

1. Van Vliet was chosen as one of 10 most promising European actors, with the Shooting Stars Award by the European Film Promotion organization, see here (a source that was already on the page).

2. Van Vliet's IMDB page, showing she stars in a large variety of productions, and has won various awards (a source that was already on the page).

New sources:

3. Van Vliet is listed on the Forbes under 30 as one of Europe's 30 most impactful people in entertainment , see here, (this is a new source that I now added to the page).

And various articles and reviews that write about the series and film of which Van Vliet is the title role:

4, 5 and 6 and 7.

Do these show her notability?

Toonmaassen (talk) 14:24, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

If they show significant coverage, and aren't just passing mentions, then yes, they do. I'll leave if for you to decide whether that has been met. I did question the notability, but if you are confident of her notability, then you can remove the tag, but refer to this discussion in the edit summary when you do so. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:51, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Toonmaassen: And I forgot to ping. Again. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok great!

(I now also discovered she is mentioned in two Wikiproject lists, as a missing article:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Missing biographies of LGBQ people
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Actresses - Netherlands )

Toonmaassen (talk) 08:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Those lists are often indicative of notability. I've never actually removed a "missing article" once its been made, but Wikiproject members go through and clean them out every now and again. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:32, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Erring is human

And you are human. You erred here. Your “not constructive” assertion was false. Please self-revert. The addition and deletions were all completely appropriate, and it is confusing that you would have seen it otherwise even for a moment. 2603:7000:2143:8500:B935:6A2E:A206:D7C6 (talk) 04:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Already reverted, but your edit summary was a problem. Just using "Ass" as an edit summary is not helpful. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

probably a typo for add though I haven’t gone back to check. And that would have only been I assume for the add - not an edit summary for the other edits your reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2143:8500:B935:6A2E:A206:D7C6 (talk) 04:20, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I already restored your edits. I had done so before you even commented here. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

You don't deserve to use anti-vandalism tools or do any sort of patrolling

You obvious don't even look and I question if your efforts are a net benefit to the project. Maybe just slow the fuck down for a second sometimes.Alansberries (talk) 04:29, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Indef blocked, what a surprise. (Or not) Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi

I mistakenly put little india. Sorry 37.231.28.79 (talk) 11:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Can u create my user page I'm from india staying kuwait 37.231.28.79 (talk) 11:04, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

It wasn't exactly a mistake, you just didn't have a reliable source, that's all. I can't create your userpage, but you can create an account, then you can have a userpage. However you must use it appropriately, as Wikipedia is not a webhost. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:08, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Aden (1586)

Hello @Mako001

I've noticed you revert my change in Battle of Aden (1586), the sources in the reference section clearly gives the number of vessels and the commander name, I only added them in the military information box they were previously added but later deleted due to unknown reason, check for the history of editing, you can refer the citation given in the article itself, if it's required to add citation in the military box then let me know. عبدالرحمن4132 (talk) 15:07, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@عبدالرحمن4132: OK, that makes sense. Feel free to reinclude your changes, and mention that you've discussed it here in the edit summary. Cheerio and happy editing! Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 15:13, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Can u remove vandalism in Kuwait Vision 2035. 37.231.28.79 (talk) 20:23, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

The page Kuwait Vision 2035 doesn't exist, and there aren't any draft articles for it either. (Draft:Kuwait Vision 2035) it was deleted over a year ago. Are you referring to another page? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 00:45, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Iam saying can remove that page edit lock. Pls — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.231.255.135 (talk) 16:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

nope. WP:RFPP is thataway. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:20, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Query about an edit

Hey, I just made some edits to a page to make it more respectful to members of the religion it chiefly references, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. May those edits be kept? Wikipedia's unjust/disrespectful official policy on this issue conflicts with simple respect to members of the Church, by insisting on replacing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with "LDS Church". Our leadership has clearly requested that those in the media respect this. Here is a link where a prominent church leader teaches the reasoning behind this: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2021/10/58andersen?lang=eng May you help Wikipedia respect this? I think it would be better to refer to all religions by their preferred title, than to disrespect good people of the faith.

Thank you for your good will and serious consideration of this issue,

-Mike— Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.187.112.18 (talk) 02:40, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Mike, see WP:COMMONNAME and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Latter Day Saints). The decision that the full name is not necessary was determined by Wikipedia community consensus, as frequently using the full name impairs readability. Thank you and goodbye. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:48, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Mako001, that is true, and I think it makes sense. For the initial reference in an article, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints requests use of the full name. The Church has requested use of "The Church" or "The Church of Jesus Christ" in future references within the same article - this shows respect for our beliefs while maintaining a short reference. Using the reference "The Church" in no way disrespects other churches, shows greater respect for our beliefs, and uses no more letters than "LDS Church". What if we modify the Wikipedia consensus in keeping with this request? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.187.112.18 (talk) 03:01, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I cannot modify Wikipedia consensus. Also, the issue with both of those names is that they are too ambiguous. I think there were also issues raised about the connotations of calling it "The Church", namely that it can be taken as suggesting that it is the only one. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:12, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Please read what you revert before you do it.

The information I reverted was from someone who added non verifiable obscure sources that are really just names. This does not meet Wikipedia's citation guidelines and the information added completely changes the sumbject matter on the page with info that is not verifiable. Sayyid Debastani (talk) 07:42, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

See your talkpage, where I already adressed this. I found the HDL for one so far: 20.500.12452/7813 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:45, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Uhh buddy you have not addressed anything, "Alaaddin Ata Malik Juvaini" was as Persian historian, it's not even a book It's a completely nonsensical source that was edited by one individual just a few days ago. I am reverting a recent edit which is all intense and purposes vandalism. Sayyid Debastani (talk) 07:45, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

See WP:NOTVAND. I havent even tried to find the other one yet. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:47, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Please find the other one and get back to me considering it's a Persian historian. The reason I said it's vandalism is because the individual who made the edit is known to make edits of clear bias that don't meet Wikipedia guidelines of nuetral point of video. In addition, although one of the sources is legit, there is no mention of 4000 or 4,000 in the entire narrative which is clearly available via the PDF link, thus I am going to put Not in citation given. Sayyid Debastani (talk) 07:53, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I am not going to revert it as per your request, but I did add a failed verification tag on the available source as the stated information was not in the source. Sayyid Debastani (talk) 07:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

We've made progress I'd say. We've definitively found that a source didn't back up the stated claim, so that's progress. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:01, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

On to the next one. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:01, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

So, it would have to refer to the only work by that historian, "Tārīkh-i Jahāngushāy" (The History of The World Conqueror). That makes it a primary source, but it may still be useful (really should have a better source). I'll see if I can find some other sources, to either confirm or disprove the 4'000 figure. Do you have any idea where the original 30'000 figure may have come from? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Sayyid Debastani: Done some checks too and I agree that it seems like there isn't anything at all to support the 4,000 figure. So I've removed it, since I gather we both now agree that it is not verifiable. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Just trollin' (edited header)

Do you know understand what this means? Who are you to judge my humor sir?????

This page contains material that is kept because it is considered humorous. Such material is not meant to be taken seriously. Shortcuts WP:TALKSTALK WP:TPS WP:JAGUAR WP:TPW

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.152.77.245 (talk) 02:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I am an officer of the Offical Wikipedia Fun Police, and I say it means that vandalism isn't funny. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

October 2022

He called me a "punk"... just look... so my response was at his level of civility and respect. In life you have to give respect in order to get respect, I guide myself in life by the phrase:"Act like a pig when you have to deal with a dick". That Sebi1990 page used to be my account but I lost the password, so I created this one. User:Sebi1990TheSecond (talk)

@Sebi1990TheSecond: You are absolutely correct, my edit summary was very idiotic and i present to you my sincere apologies. I still think the storyline is too detailed (please read Wikipedia:Too much detail), but that is no reason to write what i wrote. I now removed the overlinking (for example, no need to link a club more than once) and composed the display of the sources you added without hurting anything; i hope you will allow those changes to stay because this time i tried to follow the site's guidelines and still respected your work.

I hope you can forgive me (that IP is one of the many i have at home, don't know why it changes everytime, this one is from my workplace and it is static), continue the good work. I also present my apologies to Mako001 and Wikipedia in general. --193.137.135.5 (talk) 11:09, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I trust that both of you can resolve your differences, civilly, and without dropping to the level of name calling and making disparaging comments again.

193.137.135.5, thanks for apologising to Sebi1990, but take this as a first warning about personal attacks for you as well. I trust there won't be a need for a second one though.

By the way, your IP was apparently an IPv6 address, which will usually change very often, but will usually remain within a (relatively) small group of addresses ("only" about 2⁶⁴, out of the total 2¹²⁸ possible adresses). To see the edits from this group, go to your contributions page and add "/64" to the end of the url.

@Sebi1990TheSecond:, if you've lost the password, that's no problem, these things happen. I did that to the first account to have this username before I even made my first edit!

Both of you, if you would like to continue to discuss changes to the article, do you mind if I ask that you do so on the talkpage of the article in question? You can always ping me if you need my attention, or ask at WP:3O or WP:DRN if you can't come to an agreement on the article talkpage. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing! Thanks for the patience, and that (first) warning was completely deserved, there won't be a need for a second one. --193.137.135.5 (talk) 11:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Dinesh kanagaratnam

Please note he is a contestant of bigg Boss Tamil 6 right now,you can check for yourself thats why I edited Hashin100 (talk) 04:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Please cite a reliable source to support your edit. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:51, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Lodi Pashtun tribe page revert

Hey Mako001, thank you for leaving me a message on my talk page regarding the Lodi page. I understand my edits were reverted because of problems with the sources/citations I gave. However, right now, I'm kind of lost as to which one of the sources/citations I provided was unreliable since I added three new ones.

Could you please point out which of the three was problematic/unreliable so I can fix it?

Or was there something I forgot to provide a source/citation for?

Again, thanks! Historyandshit (talk) 06:54, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Historyandshit: I have reverted my reversion. Your edits seemed OK. I think I must've misread what exactly was going on. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:53, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Dealing with "derps"

Hey Mako001,

I saw your comment from yesterday on User talk:2603:7000:2143:8500:FD4E:C32:7DE8:516F. I think this is an accurate description of 2001:44C8:460B:70E5:A791:9F12:B74D:4FF6, the other IP involved. I left a message on User talk:2001:44C8:460B:70E5:A791:9F12:B74D:4FF6 on Wednesday, the first time this happened. However, the problem recurred on Thursday morning, so how should we address it? Thanks, Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 01:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

It's likely an LTA/"returning customer", anyone who is going around derping recent changes has been here before. If an IP is going around randomly reverting and giving out level 4im warnings, give them a strong warning immediately. It is vanishingly unlikely that a new user will be doing that sort of thing in good faith (they probably won't even know where those templates are), so there isn't really any room to assume good faith. If they don't stop immediately, just send them straight to AIV. It falls under the category of "Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia". Mention that they are adding inappropriate warnings and reverting at random and seem to be an LTA or returning customer. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I reported it at AIV. Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 21:59, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

US GP edit

Hey Mako001, I was in a hurry to add the latest information regarding Fernando Alonso's penalty reversal, forgot to add this in. https://twitter.com/AlpineF1Team/status/1585853247260340224 This is my first time editing in Wikipedia, pardon this rookie mistake of mine. Thank you, GeraldTheHerald GeraldTheHerald (talk) 06:54, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@GeraldTheHerald: No probs. If you want to add a source, see Wikipedia:Citing sources which gives instructions on how to do so. Cheerio and happy editing. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

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John Mellencamp

I revised my entry to include a source but you still removed it again. Why? 2601:806:4301:D1D0:C54:7F80:258F:A1DB (talk) 06:19, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about the slower than usual reply. I didn't actually make the second revert, you'll be better off discussing that with User:Wpscatter at their talkpage. They might have had an issue with the source you used, but I can't immediately see why. It may have also been a mistake, but you may want to check with them first. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Actually, they did mention what the issue was. The source you provided didn't actually back up exactly what you were saying. It said that it "may soon be known as", not "was named". It might seem like getting stuck on technicalitites, but it isn't. Lots of changes/events etc. are announced as something that "may" happen, but never actually do, so you need a source that actually gives it as a solid commitment to name it such in the near furture, or something that says that it has been renamed. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Geroge Kennedy

 Greetings, the information you have about George Kennedy's personal life is incorrect. Please consider his daughter and his grandchildren and add the edited information. This is the least I can do for my ex wife Shannon and her father's relationship.

Thank you 184.99.104.13 (talk) 07:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source to support your change. In addition, if you are connected to the subject you should not edit the article directly, per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Euphemisms

Hi! You seem to be making a career of replacing "lives were lost" with "died" on the grounds that the expression is a euphemism. I disagree. "Passed to the other side" and "laid to rest" are euphemisms; "lives were lost" is a useful catch-all for "died or were killed". I don't care enough to revert, but there are more useful things an expert editor could be doing. Doug butler (talk) 13:49, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Doug butler: If you don't think it worthwhile, I shan't bother any further. Thanks for the feedback. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:52, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Taiwan as a PRC county?

What do you think of listing Taiwan as a "county of PRC"? Seems a bit POV to me. Referring to Taiwan as "Republic of China" as well. The re-addition. See also Talk:List of counties in China#Taiwan I asked on WT:TAIWAN#Addition of Taiwan to List of counties in China, but have yet to get a response... Any opinions? Thanks! Adakiko (talk) 01:49, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@Adakiko: Taiwan officially calls itself "Republic of China", a term which is somewhat outdated though, and there is some likelihood that will change. It has historically been a Taiwanese nationalist term, used to lay a claim to not just Taiwan, but China as well.

However, if they're calling it "Republic of China" and adding it to a list of counties in China, it would seem that this isn't just another case of someone pushing a Chinese nationalist POV, but someone who might instead need a bit of help with understanding prior consensus on the issue.

Calling Taiwan a county of the PRC is appropriate, but only if describing how china views Taiwan. If someone is simply saying "Taiwan is a county of the People's Republic of China", that's POV. If they're saying "China considers Taiwan to be a county of the People's Republic of China" that would be NPOV. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:29, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

About Template:For description

Nice to meet you. I'm leaving a complaint because you have reverted my contribution to the telegony article. My edit came from a source presented in Talk:Telegony (inheritance)#About_Karl_Pearson’s_article, which was a kind of consensus formed in Talk:Telegony_(inheritance)#The_name_of_the_article and Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Telegony_(theory). I wonder if you have confirmed this and reverted my contribution. I look forward to your reply. Thank you. --Call-me-Ishmae1 (talk) 03:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Call-me-Ishmae1: I went a bit too quick with the revert there. I thought your edit was vandalism at first look, but I see that it actually wasn't.

I decline to make any comment on whether your edit was "correct" or not, but you are welcome to reinstate it. I am a little wary of reinstating it myself as it would mean that I had supported a particular view, which I don't know enough about to be sure that it is correct. When you reinstate the edit, mention in the edit summary that you discussed it with me on my talkpage, and that my revert was a mistake. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I understood that your revert was a mistake. thank you for your understanding, have a good day. --Call-me-Ishmae1 (talk) 06:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thousand yard stare

I am trying to post relevant evidence to correctly identify the marine in the photo “thousand yard stare” and I am being denied, without a reasonable explanation? Can you please advise or assist me? Iraemail (talk) 16:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@Iraemail: Hello Iraemail, I reverted your edit for a couple of reasons.

First, you didn't provide a reliable source to support the content you added. Although you said that "we have evidence", you didn't actually provide that evidence, which is required per Wikipedia:Verifiability.

Secondly, you added the content to the wrong place in the article. If you had a source for that content, it would belong in the body of the article.

Third, the content you added was not in the correct tone. A specific tone must be used in Wikipedia articles, and the content you added wasn't in that tone. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:11, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I do have evidence, every time I try to upload the photos I was denied. I am not skilled on how to create content in Wikipedia. Is there someway I could email you these documents so you can assist me?

Ira Iraemail (talk) 01:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I see now that you hit an edit filter the first time you tried to make the edit, (log entry here), which is a part of the software of the website. That was because you were adding a link to Facebook and Facebook is not a reliable source, and so editors who add links there are warned by the filter when they attempt to make the edit.

If the source/evidence you are using here is a photograph, then it is a primary source, and using it to support that content is considered original research.

Besides photographs, what other evidence do you have? Would you have something like a scan of a book or similar? That would be ideal. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Georgia election

Hi there, I am new to (editing) Wikipedia, and I saw you reverted my edit. I'd appreciate your advice here because I did intend to add more to that article, but I'm not sure if it meets the notability guidelines, so I'll try to make my case for it: Richard Russell was a very significant figure in US politics and that election launched his Senate career. There is a lengthy chapter on Russell's pre-1948 career in Robert Caro's Master of the Senate, which includes two paragraphs describing the Senate campaign, and additionally, his record and popularity as governor, which I would argue is not merely tangential as he was governor during the campaign. I also noticed there are pages for his unopposed (in both primary and general) re-elections in 1954 and 1960, so I presumed that an open seat election would be noteworthy, were those two articles to meet the bar. Politics47 (talk) 08:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Politics47: there is a thing, it's called WP:OTHERSTUFF, and it's not a great predictor of notability. But the issue wasn't so much notability, as that the content was better presented as part of a larger article. Sometimes that's just how it is. There are lots of notable topics which could theoretically have their own article, but don't, because the content is best presented as part of a larger, broader article. This is one of them. If you do end up greatly expanding the section to the point that it doesn't fit well into the existing page, then maybe consider a WP:SPLIT. Does that help? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that does. Thank you very much. I will expand the section of the 1932 elections and see if that ends up anywhere. Politics47 (talk) 09:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Arzu Rana Deuba

@Mako001Hello I am Sulav Kc the edit you have restored in arzu rana deuba article is wrong information. 2400:1A00:BDE0:DBA4:CC9B:214C:1855:93C (talk) 06:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@The Syco Killer: Please remember to login when editing. Also, you should use an edit summary when removing content. If you think the content isn't correct, then say so when removing it. At this point, I won't object to you removing it if you say why you are doing so in the edit summary. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Accuracy

There exists no such body as a county council in Cornwall. There is Cornwall Council. 85.10.122.185 (talk) 08:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The edit I reverted was you changing a reference to Cornwall as a county to a reference to it as a country. It is not a country. The countries of the United Kingdom are England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Cornwall is not one of them. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I don’t think you understand what you mean

You say you want to keep articles accurate, yet you delete factual and documented information. [further restatement of BLP violation hidden] . 172.78.185.201 (talk) 08:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:BLP is non-negotiable. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

So you’re just going to ignore factual information. Got it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.78.185.201 (talk) 08:31, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Correct, I will indeed be ignoring the "factual information". As I said, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons is non-negotiable. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Updating career wins

i was just updating his career wins, since they have played 3 games this year, I updated his wins, but forgot to update the losses. Please update 75.129.85.2 (talk) 12:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah, ok. It looked like yet another person getting unnecessarily anxious about the number 666. All good. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:58, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Talk

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You and i we have to talk Omni-Edition (talk) 14:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I fixed wrong information on the page of Morrigan Aensland, so please fix your mistake and revert your edits or i will besides reporting you for reverting edits that were dedicated to clean wrong information Omni-Edition (talk) 14:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@Omni-Edition: I am off to bed now, so do as you please. I can't stop anyone else reverting you though. I'm having issues accessing the page and diffs to determine what the issue here was about, or to reinstate your edits, so you will need to do that. As far as I'm concerned, it's too late in the day to argue with anyone. Goodnight, cheerio and happy editing. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I think you owe me an apology, honestly with the hell i went through because of the fandom of darkstalkers you should be thankful i still care about the game enough to add reliable information.

It's your mistake so you fix it, when you get up or when you are available but you fix it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omni-Edition (talk • contribs) 14:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@Omni-Edition: I have attempted to revert my change, but I technically cannot do so without reverting your later edit as well. Obviously, that would not be helpful. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:13, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for my rude behavior, but this character and that "friendly succubus that doesn't kill humans" lie ruined my life on internet.

I know it's no excuse, but i hope you understand Omni-Edition (talk) 00:08, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

No worries. Cheerio, see you round. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 00:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Do you believe that lie? Omni-Edition (talk) 00:54, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I have no comment on that. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:51, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Why? You deleted my so i guess you must know Omni-Edition (talk) 02:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I have tried to restore your edit, I couldn't. You are welcome to. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:53, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

You still owe me an apology, i already fixed your mistake. Omni-Edition (talk) 17:11, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

If you feel that you are owed an apology, then I owe you one, sorry for unnecessarily reverting your edit. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, it's to know some people, very few people, are willingly to own their mistakes and apology.

But it's not that i feel like you owned me one, you did own me an apology.

Honestly the whole darkstalkers fandom owns me an apology, i'm the only idiot that actually about Morrigan as a character and all i got was bullying, depression and other things. Omni-Edition (talk) 13:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

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Honeymoon Page

Hello Mako, I was attempting to elaborate on the honeymoon page. I can understand a link to a non traditional media website was removed but my whole paragraph was removed. is it possible to reverse this? Kazzzzzzzz (talk) 11:11, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

If you have a different source, which meets Wikipedia:Reliable sources, then yes, you can reverse it. I cannot reinstate the edit as it was, as the source used did not meet this. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:14, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Abell 13

Hi! I am new to this, so thanks for pointing that out! The source is my own imaging, as I own and operate a remote observatory. I recently discovered that both Abell 13 and Abell 56 are strong in Oiii. Please see: https://www.astrobin.com/g9davh/ Kind regards, /Sven Eklund 82.209.143.122 (talk) 14:16, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I think you should probably read Wikipedia:No original research then, as that covers this. Let me know if you have any further questions. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:26, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I see you've released that one as cc-by, which is compatible with Wikimedia Commons. Have you considered uploading some of your images to Commons? They may be helpful for editors seeking to illustrate articles on some astronomical objects. (Unfortunately, they can't be used to support the content you wished to add, refer to WP:PRIMARY).

On a sidenote, I like the name, "Eklund Smurf Observatory" (ESO). Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:58, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Martinique and mount Pelee

I believe you should check if martinique is made by the subduction of the north american or south american plate under the carribean plate, because when i checked the references on the lesser antille it said the north american plate not the south american plate. Jens Aga (talk) 15:16, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jens Aga: Hello, I have checked on Martinique, and Mt Pelee, and both say it is the subduction of the south American plate. There is quite a good illustration on Wikimedia Commons which shows the way the plates are moving (see here), with the blue triangles showing subduction zones. The North American plate doesn't subduct at all in that area, but the South American plate does. Even if the island might be technically closer to the edge of the North American plate, the volcanic activity is still the result of the upwelling magma from the subduction of the South American plate. Does this answer your query? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Antilles_Volcanic_Arc Jens Aga (talk) 10:53, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jens Aga: Hmm, and then I see that. I may look into it later on, when I feel like thoroughly interrogating all available material, but for now, I won't oppose any changes you want to make. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:47, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

November 2022

Hi, thanks for your message. I edited out the section in question because it was me who added it in the first place, out of good will. Later on I found out that I was actually doing a disservice to all parties involved because seemingly there had been a controversy behind it. I thought it was best to remove the mention. 2A01:E34:EC49:3E30:2118:61A0:6AC8:1BBF (talk) 13:40, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok, that's fine, feel free to remove it again, just remember to use an edit summary, "revertimg my earlier addition" would be suitable. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, but also confused...

Hi Mako001,

Thanks for taking the time to look through and edit the Chanale article I've been working on. While I appreciate the edit (I didn't realize the "of" date format I used was considered inappropriate), I'm a bit confused as to where you sit on the article's existence. I would love for the article to remain, and have been willing to put the effort in to improve it, but the couple of editors most involved in the discussion (aside from some IP user who posted in the article's Talk page), also appear to be most interested in its deletion. I am still defending the article myself, but if you've taken the time to edit it, does that mean that you believe it has merit (even if it still needs improvement)?

Thank you GreenEli (talk) 16:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@GreenEli: The change I made was part of a semi automated editing run, where I checked through thousands of articles to find any with "of" between the month and year. I don't really know a lot about NMUSICIAN, though I can recognise a clear fail of it. This isn't a clear fail of NMUSICIAN, but might still not meet the requirements.

The time I took to edit it was little more than a few seconds, enough time to check that the regex rules I had specified hadn't done anything weird, or changed dates where they weren't supposed to be changed (such as in direct quotes or titles of references).

I'd say that the arguments made for deletion are reasonable and solid, and she probably isn't notable, at least at the present time anyway.

Your best bet for saving the article now is to either comment at the deletion discussion and ask for the page to be moved to your userspace, where you can work on it, (so that if she becomes more notable, you can add sources and content to the article) and commit to submitting it through AfC (the last part is very important, AfD draftifications are often opposed where the page has been moved to mainspace from draftspace without going through AfC, as editors sometimes just wait a while, then move the page straight back to mainspace, which rather annoys people, and makes it harder for editors like you to get pages draftified instead of deleted outright). Or, you can copy the text to somewhere off-wiki and at some time later, recreate it as a draft if the subject becomes more notable. The second one isn't ideal, and may be seen as trying to "dodge" deletion, so it would be best to keep it on-wiki. You may find some comfort (and amusement) in reading Wikipedia:Before they were notable. Cheerio and happy editing! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:04, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply and advice. It's rather upsetting to know that there are male artists from the same subset of Judaism who have articles about them, with the same level of reference, and no question in regards to their notability. I would not wish for them to be removed either (they are culturally significant, just the same, and should not be removed simply because their notability is considered only for being culturally significant). Why should people not be able to learn about them? And what's the point of having a massive world encyclopedia if it is going to promote the erasure of different cultures? How does that not end of being an online version of colonialism/supremacy?

I appreciate the inclusion of the "Before they were notable" page. I was not familiar with that level of the inanity of the editing process. Sadly, it doesn't make me feel any better about the current situation, and what it may mean for other religious Jewish artists currently listed on the platform. GreenEli (talk) 14:51, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello.

Hi. Afghanistan is geographically located mostly in South Asia, while a tiny bit in Central Asia. I wouldn’t consider Afghanistan a Central Asian country just like I wouldn’t consider Egypt a West Asian country or Turkey being a European country. Phenotypically, Afghans look South Asian (they do not look like their Central Asian counterparts, and plus majority of Afghanistan is in South Asia as is the population). And phenotypically Bhutanese people look more East/Southeast Asian than any other South Asian country. There’s so much hypocrisy here but it’s probably based on Islamophobia, the West’s criticism of the Middle East when Afghanistan is South Asian not West Asian, and inaccurate opinions. Geography is more important than geopoliticism guys!! Gatorbearratica (talk) 05:01, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Take a look

Good day. I need you to help me check something. I'm trying to create a YouTube personality page but the Infobox keeps linking me to a wrong page with a similar name in YouTube and I don't know where the problem on the Wikipedia page is coming from.

This is the page I'm creating Draft:Kiriku

This should be where it links me to https://m.youtube.com/@kirikuofficial

This is where it keeps linking me to https://youtube.com/@kiriku

The first citation in the Infobox is just in disarray. Amaekuma (talk) 09:48, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

So, does this link lead to the right place?https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCJGY6QvZNEII4B0JM-eKTbQ

Sorry, I'm not very familiar with how YouTube URLs work. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:32, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

@Amaekuma: I'm not too sure what's going on, I can't even find the reference that is causing all the trouble. I might take another, closer look at it later on Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:41, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok. I'll be looking forward to a resolution. I appreciate your time. Amaekuma (talk) 12:14, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Chappy

The edit to Slabinski’s wiki entry was to verify a story’s source claiming that the actual account on Takur Ghar is still being actively suppressed online. Would you be interested in being quoted in an upcoming exposé?

Specifically: -why are any reporting of actual events immediately removed (or attempts to suppress) from online forums? -is this an official campaign or just a personal attempt to suppress? If personal, why? -why is the suppression always done by account with “Mako” in account name? Is this a deflection attempt?

This is not an attempt to smear any one person’s legacy, only to get heroes the recognition deserved of their sacrifice. At present time, we plan on leaving all non-CCT (exception being Pararescueman SrA Jason Cunningham) unnamed in the piece(s) unless further investigation uncovers official attempts at continued coverup. We have the details of the official coverup leading up to the MoH award date, so we are not interested in any reporting prior to 2018. We have reason to believe the attempts continue.

If interested in participating (on record or anonymous), please reply here and I can pass you along to publication authors. Mako30Charlie (talk) 16:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

I am not interested in supporting ridiculous conspiracy theories. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:19, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I am also not interested in assisting you in creating libellous "exposés". Whats your publication anyway? For all I know it's the "John Doe Backyard Times". Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:25, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, you invalidated several recent edit to the page of the late historian of ancient Rome, Ramsay MacMullen — who died on November 27, 2022 — since the insertion of his death date was not supported with a citation from a reputable source. His passing has not yet been officially announced by Yale University, Ramsay's home institution. I know of the event through personal information. It has also been recognized, discussed, and mourned on social media by a number of Ramsay's colleagues in the field, including Christina Kraus, professor of Latin at Yale (https://twitter.com/ChrisKraus58/status/1597635385794129921), Walter Scheidel, professor of Roman history at Stanford (https://twitter.com/WalterScheidel/status/1597466078741159939), and Philippe Buc, professor of medieval history at the University of Leiden (https://twitter.com/BucPhilippe/status/1597475007646797824). Please reinstate the earlier edits. 70.71.46.172 (talk) 19:05, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, but per WP:BLPSOURCES, those tweets are not usable as sources to confirm that he has died. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:19, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

"Filter is working correctly ..."

Re this: Then perhaps you should create an LTA page that the bot can link to, or one linked from the filter page. Because otherwise most patrolling admins won't know, and we do not get the ability to read bot/filter creators' minds along with the mop. (And unfortunately the level 4 warnings don't give anything away; work AIV long enough and you'll see plenty of bona fide users giving out level 4's as their first warning following a single possibly bad edit). Daniel Case (talk) 01:47, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Daniel Case: Sorry, I thought you were familiar with that one (answered an unblock request for them on another IP). And yes, I can confirm from experience (including occasions where I did it) that many level4im warnings are given inappropriately.

Both of those filters the IP tripped were descended from the "Derp Vandal" filters (or the tripped part was aimed at derpers). However, there is more than just one LTA who is involved in it, one's like Hamish Ross will do "derp vandal" stuff, and others will also do it on occasion, so it's not really just a single LTA (now, anyway).

It might be a good idea to document the existence of this vandalism pattern somehwere though, but it would have to be careful not to WP:BEANS. It might also do to add something to the filter, I may discuss this at WP:EFN. Thanks for raising this. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:05, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Sorry I was a little testy there ... I was a little angry at myself for not having seen it that way. But it's not the first time apparently innocuous edits that tripped the filter have turned out to be the work of a recurring vandal that not all admins were aware of ... Daniel Case (talk) 02:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

There are definitely some improvements that could be made to the explanations and documentation for the edit filters, which can be made available to patrolling admins. I think there was some discussion along those lines at EFN. One result was that there is now a an edit filter which functions as "filter index", which lists all edit filters. It might do to add it to the January "Admins newsletter" thing. However, that is just a start, and there is probably going to be some improvements made to the ease of understanding of the filters (right after the condition limit issue is dealt with). Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:25, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

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The Navy Lark

I didn't remove anything. Just added fact tags, tweaked punctuation, divided overlong paragraph. 107.122.161.43 (talk) 08:23, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that, I've struck the warning on your talkpage. I misread the diff. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Query about reversion

Reverting the edit I made is a mistake because I added facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.131.133.235 (talk) 09:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources to verify your addition. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:51, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Please do not falsify quotations

In this edit you changed the wording of an inscription. This should not be done, it is a form of misquotation. DuncanHill (talk) 00:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: Thanks for picking that up, I was avoiding changing quotes but that one slipped through the cracks. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Failure to provide reliable references

Changes are diverted back without reliable references or source. False, misleading and personal views are diverted back without reading or even adding reliable resouces. Spazzature (talk) 08:15, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

You seem to have some issues with Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Edit warring. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I have issues with false information without reliable references or sources, of which this section are plagued with. I have never seen such a poor written section in Wikipedia lacking reliable resources, total lack of understanding of the English and Afrikaans languages of South Africa. Worse is it seems personal views and opinions of an individual was published here that is far from factual correct and the truth. Spazzature (talk) 08:22, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you please be more specific. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:35, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Refer to the changes I made, they all lack reliable resources and are clearly personal views, not supported by the references provided. Spazzature (talk) 08:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

You must be more specific, that is not enough. Why are the sources unreliable? Why do you think that that they are just personal views? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

The resources does not reflect even near the views provided. It's made up nonsense. NOT A SINGLE reference exist to Afrikaans that the word Hottentot is derived from. The word Hottentot isn't decorative, the word Hotnot is. A complete lack of the understanding of Afrikaans and South African English exist. Add reliable resources for each opinion or view, or remove it like I did with the changes. Otherwise it is a personal view and not supported by a reliable resource, alternatively add a reliable reference or source to support opinions or views. Otherwise it's personal and nonsense and misleading / false. Spazzature (talk) 08:45, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Have you read the resources, it doesn't even support the personal views and nonsense brought into the article. Read it. Adding a reference for the sake of having a reference is wrong. The references do not support the opinions or the views provided. It's irrelevant in most cases and the views / opinions are those of the user's personal views, not even nearly supported by the poor and in some instances irrelevant reference. Spazzature (talk) 09:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

The sections removed either doesn't reflect even near what the reference refer to, or are not even near supported by the views provided. The section lack the facts that Hottentot is an Afrikaans word, adopted by South African English. This section is absolutely nonsense and misleading. Spazzature (talk) 08:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I see you've made a retailatory AN3 filing. This discussion is now beyond rescue, goodbye. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:42, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Goodbye, hopefully in future personal views and misleading information will not be published. Add reliable resources / references and stop adding personal, misleading and nonfactual views. Spazzature (talk) 08:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Phentermine

That IP is a long-term block-evading sock. We revert, block, and then ignore them a few times a week. Thanks for undoing their edits! DMacks (talk) 23:33, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I was a bit puzzled by that one, something seemed amiss there, but the only thing I was able to put my finger on was copyvio, thanks for the intel. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

My edit

Im his grandson...I think thats sufficient amount of proof you fool 2601:197:900:70A0:1C69:D8E:9368:5248 (talk) 06:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, that is original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Dullard

Julia's nephew ? 85.210.112.194 (talk) 07:56, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Please ensure your edits comply with the Biographies of living persons policy. I am not related to that person (as far as I am aware). Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Tell me, what good does *just* tagging do?

I'm interested...what good do you think such massive tagging does? The past 2 days you have tagged at least 388 different articles with "Tagging pages with bare URLs for citation (via WP:JWB)"...kind of seems like Driveby tagging. Do you plan to maybe fix some of these bare URLs yourself? Because that would be awesome. And also a good editing practice - fixing it yourself. Shearonink (talk) 01:27, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

@Shearonink: Yes, I do intend to fix the vast majority myself. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 01:28, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

It's just a first step. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 01:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

@Shearonink: I'll explain in more detail.

The first step is to use JWB search rules to find pages that may have bare urls.

The second is to use regex to filter these more precisely, finding only bare urls, and tag them (including tagging images and pdfs with specific templates).

The third step is to ask CB to run on the now-freshly filled category, since it wouldn't have run on those pages earlier, so it makes more effective use of the bot.

The fourth step is to go back once CB is finished and fix as many of the remaining ones as I can.

If this isn't a good strategy, I'd appreciate some input. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 01:43, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and I hope you don't mind me borrowing the subpage index off your userpage, I was trying to figure out how to do that. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:05, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

See, now I have a more complete explanation of what you're going to do and that all makes sense. I've run into a lot of editors during my time here on Wikipedia who tag and tag and TAG and never actually fix things...glad to see you're not one of them. Carry on & cheers - Shearonink (talk) 04:01, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

No probs. I'll modify the summary for future runs, so that the purpose is a bit clearer. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi there in regard to the same topic may I ask you to use another template to help those editors who try to fix these pages. Another user, BrownHairedGirl, employed the template . Otherwise it is hard to find the list of these articles.Egeymi (talk) 06:42, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

@Egeymi: Doesn't it show up somewhere under the "Articles with bare urls for citations" category? Or are you talking about something else?

I did initially start off using that one, but thought it would be better to just tag the links themselves. I'm not familiar enough with regex to reliably add that template in the right place, especially if there are other maintenance templates on the page, or hatnotes. I think I'll have to leave that part to BHG, but I might have a go anyway once CB has run through the category. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:09, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

There is a category, Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations, and if you put this template at the top of the page we can easily reach the bot and also the list if you properly summarize what you have done in the edit summary. Otherwise, this difficult job (filling in bare references) would be much harder. Egeymi (talk) 07:16, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. I'll run through them with Citation Bot first, then see about adding that template to whatever is left. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:18, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

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Query about edit

Hello, could you please explain TaylorD27 (talk) 06:48, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I’m trying to reply back to your messsage that I got from you. Didn’t mean to reply to anything else TaylorD27 (talk) 06:49, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@TaylorD27: Your edit changed the name from the sourced name to another name. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:55, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi TaylorD27 (talk) 06:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello. What? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:59, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Adelaide Airport

The edit did to ADL was removing Avalon from the list of Jetstar routes. Jetstar does not fly between Adelaide and Avalon. I received a message that I shouldn't do that without putting an edit summary. Sorry about that, but it is not a real route. It would be appreciated if you could take it off the list. 150.107.178.143 (talk) 07:15, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

You are welcome to do so yourself, just use a summary when you do so. I am going offline for a few hours, so won't be able to restore it myself. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:24, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

about International rules football

you said "Unnecessary. Has no effect on rendered page", but in face it has effect on rendered page. instead of showing "Gaelic football" as Equipment, "Gaelic ball" would be shown in Template:Infobox sport. but sadly, you reverted, sigh...72.255.245.133 (talk) 07:22, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok, so why is Gaelic ball better than Gaelic football? Besides being four letters shorter? It would seem less ambiguous, given that the word ball has many different meanings. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:29, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Tagging bare urls

Hi there, when will you begin to fix bare urls? BHG both put the tags and fixed the bare urls, and also put dead link templates. Hope you'll soon begin to fix the pages. Egeymi (talk) 08:35, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Of the approx 600 articles that I have put in the category, over half have already been fixed by CB at my request. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:04, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

But most of the cases you don't use the bot. You said you would also fix bare references. When will you begin to fix the pages with bare references? --Egeymi (talk) 07:58, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

@Egeymi: Have you checked my contributions? I have also been fixing some as well. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Good to hear it, but I haven't seen any of your edits in the pages I am fixingEgeymi (talk) 08:05, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

When I fix them, I remove the tags, so you shouldn't be finding any that I've fixed anyway. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:11, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

@Egeymi: There is a bit of a problem with that template, which I had suspected for a while, but now know for sure, which is that Citation Bot doesn't touch it, even when it fixes all the bare URLs. It will remove {{Bare URL inline}} but not the {{linkrot}} or {{cleanup bare URLs}} template. Given that (particularly when under heavy use) it can take several runs over an article before CB manages to fix it, I am thinking that it is possibly best to avoid placing {{linkrot}} header templates on pages tagged in the "active" month? I know BHG only did it "where REFLINKS can't get title". Any thoughts on this? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mako001: Honestly I don't have any idea about it, but it seems that you should use the one which works. May I ask you to put a space between the link and the template, bc in some cases the bot add the template to the link. I've seen BHG also mentions it in the edit summaries. Egeymi (talk) 06:42, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

I've been experimenting with doing it and not doing it, and had encountered some issues with both ways, so I ended up leaving the space out. I'll add it in though if that causes less issues than the other way. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:53, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Egeymi: Done for all, I think. The regex should've got all of them, but if you see any that don't have the space, let me know and I'll modify the regex and try again. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

.@Mako001: Thank you. Happy new year. Hope there'll be less bare references in 2023 :)) --Egeymi (talk) 03:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@Egeymi: Well, by my estimates, at least 1200 bare urls have been fixed in the last two weeks, so yeah, there should be a few less! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Paid editing question

I'm looking at Template:Uw-paid1, which I think may be due for a re-write. I saw that you used it at User talk:Chamoliji123#September 2022. Do you happen to remember what made you think that was a paid editor? In looking through the use of this template, I've seen several instances of paid-editing accusations that should have been Template:Uw-coi-username instead. In other cases, I'm left wondering how the editor knows that it's a paid editor, and not (e.g.,) the subject's friend, or a random good deed. What made you lean towards accusing this editor of being paid? WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:26, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: Whilst I don't remember exactly, looking back I think I know why I used uw-paid1.

First, there was the persistence, suggesting that they had a strong incentive to write the article. Second, there was the fact that they were promoting an organisation, and not a famous one either, which makes it unlikely that they were merely a fan. Finally, there was the way that they were trying to get the most promotional article possible past AfC, removing as little spam as possible.

These things individually don't say "paid editing", but when combined, they very strongly suggest it.

It seemed highly unlikely that they were repeatedly trying (and failing) to get the spammiest possible article through AfC, and were merely just a fan/friend or doing some good deed.

Does this answer your question? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:18, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the editor was writing about a university in India. How much do you know about Indian universities? (I don't know much myself.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: I'm not an expert, but why does it matter anyway? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:15, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Could you imagine the creator of an article about a university being a student at that university? Or do you believe that only paid scammers would want to write about universities? WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:54, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: If you think I did something wrong, please just say so directly, it works better that way, and I don't mind getting some adjustment. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:16, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't know if you did anything wrong. Someone familiar with Indian universities might recognize the name and instantly be able to estimate the chance that it's notable, but I can't do that. I can say that university articles aren't always created by paid editors, and that people from other cultures (e.g., India) have very different ideas of what an encyclopedia article is supposed to sound like (so what sounds spammy to me doesn't sound at all spammy to them), but I would struggle to guess whether this particular one is or isn't, and no matter which I settled on, I wouldn't trust my guess as being correct.

Overall, it sounds like Template:Uw-paid1 is posted for a very wide range of suspicion levels, and it needs to work for all of them. That's going to be difficult. I kind of wish that Twinkle had a structured dialog for this. Imagine being able to tick boxes like "previous deleted" or "sounds spammy" or "subject I'm extremely familiar with" or "from a different culture" or "connection disclosed in username", and having Twinkle figure out how which sentences to deliver. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:16, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: Ok, that makes sense then. The message it uses suggests that the bar for suspicion is closer to "could reasonably believe" rather than "prove beyond all reasonable doubt". And as I understand, it is basically saying "you are acting like you are being paid for this, please explain why that is the case". The kernel of the template is contained in just the fist, second and last sentences, Hello [insert username here]! The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message.

The rest of it is basically just a summary of the paid editing policy, and the template could almost stand without any of that. Basically, this leaves them with the option of either: denying that they are paid, and then following the rules; continuing with UPE until everyone gets sick of it and they get blocked; declaring that they are being paid and subsequently following the rules.

General COI editing just didn't quite seem to fit the bill, since it was as if they were trying to remove as little spam as possible each time, rather than actually go and read the guidelines and follow them. (In my experience, COI-only editors are usually relatively responsive to input) This made me suspect that they had a reason to try to push the most promotional topic possible into mainspace, specifically, that they were probably being paid. In addition it seemed improbable that anyone would describe it (or any other university in the world for that matter) in such glowing terms as the first version of the draft did, without having some sort of financial stake in doing so.

The last editor who created this draft was actually blocked for socking and UPE, as I just found out by checking out that image a bit more closely. See Thapliyal Nitin. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:37, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: Well, if it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't have reinvestigated that draft. If I hadn't reinvestigated that draft, I'd never have spotted that this was likely a sockpuppet of a blocked editor. I contacted the admin who blocked Thapliyal Nitin, Jimfbleak, who confirmed that, based on previously deleted material, this was a sock of Thapliyal Nitin. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 01:35, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, I'm glad to have indirectly helped identify that.

It might be just because of my greater knowledge of the processes, but I'd think that an experienced but unscrupulous paid editor would want to put up a very boring, bland draft: "____ is a university in India", with maybe another sentence or two and a good fistful of impressive-looking sources. Maybe you add links to a couple of obvious articles (List of universities in India? The city where it's located?), but mostly you wait until it's gotten through AFC and/or NPP. After that, it could probably be turned into spam much more easily, because full reinvestigation doesn't happen very often.

I think you're right about the template message. I think it should be short, direct, and get right to the point. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:25, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: At the moment it may be falling victim to TLDR. The wording of the part in {{tq}} above seems to be good, but the summary of the paid editing disclosure requirements seems rather lengthy, and may be better presented as a few brief "please read and comply with this policy" dot points, something like the {{welcomespam}} template.

However, if you havent already, it may be worth checking that there isn't some sort of particular reason why the summary needs to be so long? I'd want to be sure that there wasn't some sort of WMF reason for it, given that UPE is a Terms of Service violation, and not "merely" just breaking a local rule.

I see your point about getting a bland but (at least apparently) notable draft through AfC and NPP before spam-ifying it once in mainspace, I'll have to remember to keep an eye out for that sort of thing. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:22, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't think the WMF will be interested; they generally aren't interested in the wording of boilerplate messages. About a decade ago, they helped re-write some of Category:User warning templates, but that was a specific, announced project, and AFAICT it has not been repeated. (This template is too new to have benefited from that effort. As I recall, the overall conclusion from that work was that short, polite messages work better than long or insulting ones.)

I like what you've written above. It'd need a link, of course, and I suggest re-arranging the order. The order above is "I think you're UPE – maybe I'm wrong, in which case tell me – but if you're UPE, please disclose" and it'd probably work better to have both UPE sentences together.

We could go quite far in the other direction, and change it to something like "Hello, BASEPAGENAME. Could you please tell me if you have any connection to the subject of ARTICLE? Wikipedia has some rules about editing about people you know or that you work for, and I'd like to help you if I can."

I might want to help them all the way to a block, but that's still "helping", right?  ;-) WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:01, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: Well, yes, it helps them to comply with policy if they cannot do so themselves. 😉

I like the first suggestion, to rearrange it to flow better.

The second suggestion seems more COI than UPE targeted though, and it is probably best to keep the two distinctly separate. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure that this is being delivered only to people for whom UPE is suspected, though. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:17, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: I guess that also happens with the vandalism templates too, with vandalism templates being handed out for editing that (whilst not helpful) isn't vandalism. "According to the rules" (i.e. what editors should do, not necessarily what they actually do), editors should be aware of the content of the template, and what it should be used for, before actually using it. I note that the documentation doesn't really make it too clear what the warning is actually intended for, perhaps by adding something to it, the rate of misuse may be reduced. That said, I do see what you mean by trying to make some allowance for accidental misuse, which is something that seems to be built in to most warning series. In addition, the degree of English fluency needed to understand the template as it is currently is unreasonably high, especially given that many editors do not speak English as their first language. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:35, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I've created a sandbox of that template, and did some playing around with it. I'm not exactly amazing with templates, but I don't think I broke anything. I did notice though that paid editing is, interestingly, one of the areas affected by laws, (see WP:NOHIDDENADS). Anyway, the sandbox is just one idea of what it might look like. In terms of displayed length on page it is about the same (on my device anyway) but appears a bit less WP:WALLOFTEXT-y Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:19, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

Hello Mako001: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Dinoz1 (chat?) 13:28, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

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@Dinoz1: Summer solstice down here, and it's a rather nice mild one, "only" getting up to around 38°C, unlike the 40-45°C it was last year. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:50, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry accusation?

He's was bad HarrySONofBARRY aka Madbrad200 on List of hood films and hood film 174.247.224.184 (talk) 07:35, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, are you saying that HarrySONofBARRY is a sockpuppet of Madbrad200? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:45, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh, now I see. You are complaining that he deleted your unsourced addition. Provide reliable sources next time to avoid having your content removed. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:55, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Tamsyn Muir Catholicism

I think it is a stretch to say that the linked source supports the claim that Muir is Catholic. Here's the direct quote (in reference to including meme references in her books): "They seem to be a little divisive. I’ve spoken to some people who feel sort of like they get taken out of the flow of the story by them. And then there are other people who get really into tagging them when they come up, and they just want to create an annotated edition. And whenever I recognize one I’m like, “Oh!” and then I just keep reading. But I’m curious about how you think about them when you were embedding them into the web of the story. The truth is that I am just a very referential writer. And my problem is that I’ve got a very Catholic taste. There’s a hell of a lot of Bible stuff in there too. But you see a Bible reference and are like, “Oh, well, the author is well-learned,” or, “The author is extremely Catholic.” You come by the classics. There’s a hell of a lot of references to Greek mythology, to Homer, to The Iliad. And then you come across a Llamas with Hats reference. And it’s not because I set about to make the book particularly memey, it’s just because I’ve got a shit sense of humor. I think of John 3:16 the same way I think about none pizza with left beef."

I am mildly willing to concede this point. However I am not willing to concede the fan fiction author point, here's a source https://threecrowsmagazine.com/tamsyn-muir-interview-there-is-a-lot-of-blood-on-my-dance-floor/. Hotboyhugo3 (talk) 09:13, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

@Hotboyhugo3: Ok, thats fine, if that was why you removed that source and category, I'm not particularly fussed. Carry on. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:19, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank u Mako <3 Hotboyhugo3 (talk) 19:52, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Query about edit to Hamzah Sheeraz

Hi there, I made an edit about a boxer named Hamzah Sheeraz from the UK, his reference source says that his heritage shows that he has a Pakistani father, but the page shows that his father was Indian, which is wrong based on his own page that shows his biography — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C6:4300:A0A0:0:0:0:96EB (talk) 02:09, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, that edit also changed a quote from another source, why did you do that? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:12, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

that was my mistake, I didn't mean to change the quote, I was trying to align the the quote on Wikipedia with the source quote, it says that his father is Pakistani and his mother is Indian

Here is the source document

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/59507322 2601:C6:4300:A0A0:0:0:0:96EB (talk) 02:16, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. All good then, carry on! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:41, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Hello Mako001: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Sarrail (talk) 02:42, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

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ask for help

Hi. wish you a good time. would you please help revert the article Tractor S.C. to previous version again? IP 88.66.11.229 made the same false edits you revert before. Parsehos (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@Parsehos: Thanks, I have reverted their edits. They have been doing the false edits for a while using other IPs. If you are editing that page often, you may want to watch out for them. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 00:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. The same IP did the same false edits four times after your alert in their talk page. I usually check the revision history and undo, but he/she seems tireless. Parsehos (talk) 14:23, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, time for a block maybe. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:23, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

@Parsehos: An admin has now blocked them for 3 days, so that should be that last of them for a while. If they switch IPs, (i.e. if another IP address appears and starts making the same edits) let me or an admin know, so that page protection can be arranged. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your affection, they are still trying to remove parts of the article time to time. if you would do so, it would be helpful for protecting. Parsehos (talk) 01:05, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

@Parsehos: I do not think an admin would protect the page at this time. They would probably say that there was not enough disruption. Also, It looks like those other IPs are different people, and they don't edit war like the 88.66. IP did. There also seems to be an IP user who is making constructive contributions. If the page was protected after the last time that the 88.66 IP disrupted it, the protection would have prevented 2 unconstructive edits, but would have also prevented 5 constructive edits. The main issue with the 88.66 IP was the edit warring. It is less of a problem when a vandal just makes one edit and then mostly leaves the page alone, like the other two IPs did. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 01:17, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your concerns. okay, I do understand the situation better now. Parsehos (talk) 01:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Viv was BORN in Hollingworth

Vivienne Westwood was born in Hollingworth and later moved to tintwistle when her parents took over as postmasters at the post office. She has said this many times in interviews. She grew up tintwistle but was BORN in hollingworth 2A02:C7C:606F:4B00:11AF:5A6A:6ACA:8FA1 (talk) 09:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

And do you have a source for that? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Hohol article

I am linking your revert and discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:89.0.31.167

The term is much broader and isn't a simple slur, which is reflected on wikipedia itself, but describes a very characteristic mentality. The other similar term is "rogul". BOTH are and were used inside Ukraine as well as outside it. BOTH are defined in a much broader sense on Wikipedia itself, including historic quotes.

About Nikolai Gogol, please give me the hint where Gogol called himself "Hohol" as a slur. He did referenced himself both as "Nikolai" and "Mykola". I can give you the reference, where he called himself "Russian" and "Maloros": "не знаю, какая у меня душа, хохлацкая(!!) или русская. Знаю только то, что никак бы не дал преимущества ни малороссиянину(!!) перед русским, ни русскому перед малороссиянином. Обе природы слишком щедро одарены Богом, и как нарочно каждая из них порознь заключает в себе то, чего нет в другой, – явный знак, что они должны пополнить одна другую. Для этого самые истории их прошедшего быта даны им непохожие одна на другую, дабы порознь воспитались различные силы их характеров, чтобы потом, слившись воедино, составить собою нечто совершеннейшее в человечестве»". This is deeply mirrored in the net. Source is letter from Gogol to A.O. Smirnova (А.О. Смирновой) on 24 December 1844. 89.0.31.167 (talk) 16:57, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit: I found this page on wikipedia with tons of historic references that it has broad meaning and not an ethnic slur: https://ru.wikiquote.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%BB. 89.0.31.167 (talk) 18:28, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

And so you try to defend your bigotry? Wow. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 17:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I think there is a conflict of interest between you and subject, is it ok that I report this to administration or will we get back to civil discussion? Thank you. Btw, there is similar mentality in Germany, please see "Schwabe" or "Schwäbische Mentalität". 89.0.31.167 (talk) 17:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikiquote (or any other wikimedia project) is not a reliable source. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 01:56, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

On the other hand, there are four sources to attest to the term Khokhol (Which you are yet to demonstrate is something different to Hohol) being an ethnic slur: [2][3][4][5] Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Pardon me, but you shift the topic here - I didn't say that Wikiquote is a reliable source, I said that the linked article contains reliably sourced historical references that clearly depict this word to be of much more than ethnic slur. Sure, one can construct a slur out of this word - here (1) does exactly that: the quote in Ukrainian, which you cited from the German book literally reads "Ukraine is called in Russian slang as Hohlostan". This is an agglomeration of the Hohol (as Mentality) combined with -Stan to produce derogatory word, which sounds like some Asian country (Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan etc). For example, Briton combined with Stan would also produce derogatory word. (2) is a website that links to the possibly illegal collection of etymological vocabularies all dated and produced in UkrSSR.. This would be a good argument to debunk the myth that USSR anyhow oppressed Ukrainian language, but I don't see the relation to the subject matter. (3) directly states that Hohol has neutral meaning, but can be used as derogatory, which is pretty much the same way with "Schwabe", for example "Schwabe raus!"/Swab, get out! written on the wall or shouted angrily. It depends on context if the mentality is shown in negative or positive light. (4) is explanatory dictionary, which defines Hohol as impolite (Зневажлива) definition of Ukrainian; but this is exactly what explanatory dictionaries do - give shortest possible definition of the word to the native speaker. Look how it defines "Ukraine", a) "land between two states or their border." b) (any) "country". Here is modern Ukrainian book, which is completely dedicated to "Hohol", written by historian - the annotation clearly shows that the word is very multi-faceted and describes specific mentality of the specific land. Would that be merely an ethnic slur, books like such would not praise it. Another example I found, a article by some far-right Ukrainian radical from 2012, which also says that it depends on how the word is used, which is same as with Schwab (or similar). Khokhol is the same word spelled differently.89.1.158.252 (talk) 08:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok, that at least convinces me that you aren't adding bigotry to Wikipedia. I won't revert you if you re-add it, but I cannot gaurantee that no-one else will. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:02, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Aterians.

I am a reliable source about Aterians. Aterians lithics from India are reported in you-tube videos. If you actually do a little research on the subject you will find I am providing a very current update from a number of professional sources published and unpublished. So you have enough grasp of the literature and fossil Aterians from North Africa to understand my update is unreliable? Youa re an expert on Hominid dental morphology and have studied Aterian remains? If not, you want a photo of them so you can make your own expert deductions contradicting the opinions of professionals who have worked on Aterians? 2601:680:C000:F530:30FB:F448:D4FB:1697 (talk) 01:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, original research is not permitted on Wikipedia. If the content you want to add has been published in a reliable source, then you may add it. YouTube is not a reliable source. You still need to add citations to your sources so that editors know where it comes from.Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:00, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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I think you should let my Alex Beaton edit live

I don't have a great link to an obit that includes Maggie. And I can't prove to you that he met Mark Knopfler backstage before he recorded 'Sailing to Philadelphia' So discard the one about the famous guy. But leave the comment about Maggie. Because that little girl has lost her mom and her Papa Alex before she starts kindergarten, and if she ever looks Alex up, she deserves to see how much she meant to him. The man was a member of my family, and when he called me two days before he died, to tell me he was dying, he talked about Maggie the whole time. She deserves a mention. I emcee'd his not quite a funeral. I am a reliable source. She was beloved and important and should be mentioned beside Linda and his daughters and his brother. 2603:6080:2D40:606:8989:E4FF:D9DB:31F8 (talk) 08:05, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Don't make me post a video of myself trying not to cry while I talk about her as proof 2603:6080:2D40:606:8989:E4FF:D9DB:31F8 (talk) 08:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I can't make you do that.

Sorry, but you need reliable sources. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:09, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Debrecen International Airport

The IP belongs to a LTA IP-farm. See User talk:The Banner/Archives/2023/January#Greek airport vandal (investigation running). I can identify it due to the random additions/removals (always unsourced) and removals of suspended flights as if they were cut. Up to now, I have no clue how to stop this. Protection only helps for the specific airport but the LTA just chooses a new target and when the protection expires it is back within a few days.

I would support blocking those whole ranges but assume that that cause more damage then it prevents. The Banner talk 10:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

@The Banner: Interesting. I felt like doing some analysis/investigation, so I just ran some of those IPs on that list through ftools IP range calculator and WHOIS lookup. These are the ranges that they are (or have previously been) on, along with some of my thoughts on them.

• 2A02:587:1E00:0:0:0:0:0/41 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - Big, but blockable, and based on contribs, most edits are from the same person since at least March (didn't check further back)
• 89.210.128.0/17 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - Probably too big to block at once, but 89.210.128.0/18 would catch their more recent edits. But that is still a rather big range to block (looking at contribs, there's a good mix of them and some other users on this range, so collateral damage may be an issue here as you said).
• 141.255.60.0/22 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - Nothing since November, but small enough to block without too much hassle if they return on this range.
• 46.176.0.0/15 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - technically too large to block, (would have to be blocked as 46.176.0.0/16 and 46.177.0.0/16 due to software limitations). 46.177.0.0/16 seems to be the more recently used half, with an edit from them from yesterday.
• 79.166.192.0/19 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - history looks like one of those ranges that get blocked as "nothing useful coming from this range". Mostly them with some other edits of rather dubious quality.
• 5.55.128.0/17 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - most recent edits are from the smaller range 5.55.224.0/19, which is probably blockable if need be. The wider /17 is probably going to have too much collateral.
• 78.87.160.0/19 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - Has occasionally used this range, but it is mostly other editors on here. The IP 78.87.161.200 from your list is within this range.
• 77.69.64.0/20 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) - more than half seem to be this person, but no activity here for a couple of weeks.

Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. At the very least you have given me tools for improved monitoring. Should I still warn the IPs, as I think they have a new IP every day? The Banner talk 13:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

@The Banner:Although they probably aren't going to respond to warnings, the presence of warning messages tends to help get AIV blocks quicker. If nothing else it may assist keeping track of which ones have and haven't been noticed already. So yes, you probably could still warn them anyway. I also saw a couple of odd user talk edits in the contribs of some ranges, which makes me wonder if they have used some named accounts too. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Rose Montoya

The points do not "have to be directly addressed" before this article is placed in main space. You are not the judge here, the judges are the many independant sources about her. IMO she is notable (and changes were made to address your concerns). You might not like the references to her own articles but some of these concern her own views of her gender... and morever the article is notable without them. There will never be 3rd party refs on Rose's views about Rose Montoya. There is no criteria for moving articles to draft that I know of. Please cite if there are. Otherwise lets take this higher and see what the consensus is, if you you refuse to let this article develop in main space. Please note the warnings on the article's talk page. Victuallers (talk) 16:46, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Point made. It's a good one. Draftification was reverted. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Golden Brown cover version

The artist states on their own original YouTube upload that they'd used Logic Pro to make this special cover, which uses machine learning for exactly this type of "sampling" of sound and arrangements to be applied to other recordings ever since c. 2013, but the feature took until c. the latter half of the 2010s to become as good as in their cover of Golden Brown. Various sources offered on the talkpage call it a "mash-up" for that, but a mash-up only changes pitch or speed, whereas this cover uses Logic's machine learning to actually copy-paste the sound and arrangement in Brubeck's style. --2003:EF:170A:9210:C1D8:1810:38AE:53DA (talk) 07:01, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome to add that material, if you can cite a reliable source for it. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:07, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Obiwana

...has been blocked for sockpuppetry. They then thanked the checkuser who blocked them. Either they didn't care about what you were saying to them, or they couldn't understand it. I'm thinking it was the second one. Either way, making sockpuppets to back them up wasn't a great move, but it certainly helped to end things quicker than it would've ended otherwise. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 00:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for letting me know and for taking action. I also noticed that after Obiwana reverted my edits, both User:Ruskmox and User:Xi'anlo did exactly the same thing, Ruskmox wrote the exact same edit summary. Both of them referred to David Wilson in the same way Obiwana did, without any link. Because of all of this, I had the intuition that they might be the same person, but couldn't be sure.

I think he didn't care what I was saying to him. May be also partially didn't understand, but mostly didn't care. Otherwise he would have asked what I meant. --Universal Life (talk) 06:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

I've got some experience with dealing with sockpuppetry, so upon checking the page history and seeing 3 accounts making indentical changes to the article, I basically had to report. It looks like Obiwana had been carving a trail of disruption (whether intentional or not) across multiple articles, so it is quite helpful of them to go down the route they did, rather than persisting with milder disruption. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:55, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh my, this page really made me laugh. It also made me think all the possible nasty stuff people do in the WP, instead of just being considerate. Btw, I feel like you really have a good sense of humour :)) --Universal Life (talk) 11:12, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Editingg

I'm new to wikipedia, sorry if I made a mistake for the page "Son (Korean Surname)", I wonder if https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=son this website can be a valid soruce :-) Rohmoohyunyasking (talk) 05:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello! To answer your question, you should read this page. Ancestry.com is not a reliable source Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank youuu :-) Rohmoohyunyasking (talk) 05:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

No worries, I've left some more links to helpful pages on your talkpage. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes You made a Mistake

actually I was going to provide a source but before I go to do it you just removed it. please let me complete it first Dhavani patel (talk) 11:58, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

@Dhavani patel: Ok, feel free to add it back once you have a source, you can find the content in the page history. It is generally a good idea to add the source and content at the same time. Or you can note in the edit summary that you are going to add the sources soon. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:12, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Reverted

Hi, I am not sure why this edit has been reverted? Please explain, so that I can update it within Wikipedia's guidelines. Here is the edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mass_flow_meter&oldid=1135874592 85.200.198.30 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Janany Kunaseelan

The article Janany Kunaseelan has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 12:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@Minorax: I can guess why I got this instead of the actual creator, but good luck with having that tag stay on for more than 7 minutes, let alone 7 days. This person is very persistent. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:19, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I'll bring this to AfD if the user removes this again. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 12:21, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

If you do, make sure you ask for plenty of WP:SALT. Otherwise it will be immediately recreated. This is the third time this article has been created. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:22, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Janany Kunaseelan moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Janany Kunaseelan, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Dan arndt (talk) 23:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@Dan arndt: Not sure how you got past the title blacklist on that one? It's got two leading "Draft:". Also, I think you meant this for User talk:TamizhRajkumar. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the past history on this one - will see if I can get the multiple drafts deleted and only one be left open for consideration. It appears we have an editor and possible sockpuppets with a determined attitude to get their article on the mainspace without addressing the issue of notability. Will keep an eye on it for the future. Thanks for raising it and apologies on behalf of the bot for the notice on your talkpage. Dan arndt (talk) 08:33, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@Dan arndt: I've asked the user to G7 them, hopefully that will work. (Probably just wishful thinking though)

Also, using Tamil seems to get their attention better than English, even if they still don't really communicate anywhere near enough. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:14, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Revision

hello could you give a spell check to my biological species article Sibon irmelindicapriyo. Thanks GeogieTax (talk) 13:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@GeogieTax: Looks OK. I didn't notice any issues with spelling/grammar/etc. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

If there is a problem in the Taxonomic Sheet, it is also discussed whether it is Sibon irmelindicapriyo or Sibon irmelindicaprioae, it is still a species under investigation, some details will be changed. GeogieTax (talk) 14:19, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I think that I understand what you mean now. I will look at it later on. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@GeogieTax: I found the original paper that this was announced in, they use "irmelindicaprioae", as do many sources. Is there some disagreement on the correct name for the species? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:58, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@GeogieTax: irmelindicaprioae seems to be the correct name, I'll move the article there now. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 00:26, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the correction. I also created the article on Wikipedia in Cebuano, but in that wiki I don't know how it is transferred to the correct name, could you help me move the article to the new title please and sorry for the inconvenience, Please. GeogieTax (talk) 01:45, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much this new species of snakes recently discovered the curious thing about this species that bears the name of the mother of the American actor, Leonardo DiCaprio. GeogieTax (talk) 03:26, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@GeogieTax: Yes, I had noticed that. If you go to the original paper (link here, there is a good deal more information on this species, and four others which were described in the same paper. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Revert

Please read the edits before reverting them. Thanks. Rolando 1208 (talk) 06:56, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Rolando 1208: Was mainly thinking it was a test due to weirdly placed linebreak. Anyway, I'm not going to revert again. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:01, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Angelina Kudryavtseva

Hello! I removed some information and added new, because it’s information about me and we did this page years ago, and now information changed Angelinka21 (talk) 07:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Angelinka21: You should not be editing pages about yourself, see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:24, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Collapsed-content for math proofs

This edit highlights a contradiction between the guidelines you noted and recommendations of WP:WPMATH. Might be a useful discussion to start with them before you plunge ahead too far, as they seem to have reasonable reasons for doing it. DMacks (talk) 13:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@DMacks:Hmm, thanks for letting me know about that, I'll revert the other cases where I did that with maths proofs. I didn't get too far, and ended up deciding not to go further, since I got tired of it very quickly. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:28, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I did not read this thread before giving another answer, below. It should be noted that the mention of collapsed proofs in WP:MATH is in an essay, not a guideline. As far as I know, there is no consensus in the project on this subject. It is only recently that I become convinced that explanatory footnotes are a good solution, and I do not know wether this has been discussed recently. D.Lazard (talk) 15:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@D.Lazard: I've still reverted my changes, I would prefer to make sure that the reasoning behind my changes was watertight before making potentially large-scale changes, even if it was "just" an essay that I was violating. Roughly a quarter to a third of all instances of content which violates the guidelines on collapsed content are maths proofs. The regex rule (I think) was \{\{(?:C|c)(?:top|ollapse top)(?:(?:\|(?:\s|)title(?:\s|)=(?:\s|)|)|\|)([^\|]*?)(?:\|(?:.*?=.*?|)|)\}\} along with a simpler equivalent to deal with {{collapse bottom}}, but that still needed a good deal of manual fixing up from time to time, especially on stuff other than maths proofs. I think it could be modified to add footnotes. Just some ramblings. I might go to the WikiProject and raise the issue there first, to make sure that whatever I do isn't going to mess stuff up. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:45, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not involved with WPMATHS, I just learned about the essay (and its conflict with site guideline) when I tried to understand why so many things on my watchlist were changed from a long-existing style. But I do agree that before making a wide-ranging set of changes to that sort of thing that has some documented basis, it's best to make sure the relevant project is alerted. If they don't know about a problem, it will simply re-occur; they might have some other solutions come to mind, or else lead to a discussion that changes the wider site guideline (or at least carves out an allowance. DMacks (talk) 01:05, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Collapsed proofs

I saw from your self-reverted edits that you have concerns with collapsed proofs. I agree that such collapsed proofs are not convenient; not only for accessibility reasons. In fact, a collapsed proof is generally used when it is useful only for verifiability (allowing the reader to be convinced that the result is correct), and when inserting the proof in normal text would distract readers from the main points. Collapsing boxes are not a very good solution, as even in collapsed mode, the box breaks reading. IMO, the right solution is to move the proof in an explanatory footnote, as I did on Logarithm. This is coherent with the main purpose of footnotes, which is WP:Verifiability D.Lazard (talk) 15:00, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I added a paragraph to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/Proofs#Proofs_within_articles, further discussion can take place on the talk page there. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 17:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Based on an older discussion from that talkpage, the use of collapsible boxes never had consensus in the first place. I'm going to be a bit BOLD. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Sadh Vaisnavism

Regarding Sādh Vaiṣṇavism. It is wrong based on the sources quoted as well as according to Sanskrit. The meaning is sat/sad = "true/eternal" vaiṣṇavism. It is written as "sadh" in Roman only so that it does not appear as "Unhappy (sad in english) Vaiṣṇavism". But at least when we are writing in IAST (which is supposed to represent Sanskrit accurately) we cannot write it as sādh since there is no word sādh in Sanskrit. Sādhu (saint) is there but not sādh. Hope you agree 203.192.214.45 (talk) 04:28, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

In all due respect, I don't really care what the source says, since my concern here isn't with the content. My concern is with how you are applying changes. If you think the article has the wrong title you need to request a move, not change every instance of the subjects name to what you consider the correct name. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:35, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Re: Naga, Camarines Sur

Thank you for reverting the edit at Naga, Camarines Sur. The text also appears to be a copyright violation and I have put in a RevDel request. TornadoLGS (talk) 04:09, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Agnes Ayres

what do you mean by "test"? Her birth year was 1892, if it's not the correct year then correct the entire article! 89.210.198.87 (talk) 06:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the explanation, I'll revert my edit. Please remember to try to provide an edit summary for every edit you make, as it allows other editors to determine your intention more easily. Cheerio and happy editing! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:52, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey fella

If you would have looked at the tweet you would have figured it out 184.146.107.199 (talk) 05:25, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Putin

The airport is now none functioning thanks to him. 2602:306:BC74:6240:112F:49A3:D1F:7A41 (talk) 05:26, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm well aware that Putin is an utterly deranged and genocidal dictator, but that isn't really necessary to put in the article. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:29, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit on San Sossio page

I just got a message saying my section was removed on the San Sossio page due to lack of citation. My family was raised here, so I'm not sure how to provide a proper citation for that, it's more so just word of mouth that I was adding to it. 05:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, you may want to read Wikipedia:No original research, which may help to explain why you can't really add that information without citing a reliable source Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

They lived in the actual village wouldn't they they're reliable Littlemac123 (talk) 05:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia relies on information which has been published in reliable sources. Otherwise, it is original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Explanation for removal of content

Thank you for your message.. The removed content was old, and the puja timings and vidhi changes according to the year, so it was removed. Let me know if that's ok to edit the old content, if it's not relevant. Kindly advise. FETFETFET (talk) 10:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)FETFETFET (talk) 06:02, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

AIV report relating to Vibrasphere

I saw your comments relating to unconstructive IP editing at Vibrasphere. I totally sympathise with your frustration; very often it takes so long for an administrator to get round to dealing with a vandalism report that its too late to be useful. However, on this occasion I have now semi-protected the article, because a number of IP addresses have been involved, not just the one you mentioned. JBW (talk) 12:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@JBW: Thanks. I think that it was basically just a quiet day, and it never triggered the "this page is backlogged" thing. I was considering asking for semi-protection, but I figured that the main disruption was from this single IP, though semi-protection seems a reasonable choice. I really don't quite get what they are getting at with all their nonsense about trademarks there, as it seems to have exactly zero relevance to the edits they were making. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:22, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's how it looked to me, though I suppose it's just about possible that they may have something else in mind which they aren't making clear. JBW (talk) 13:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Article about Voisava Kastrioti

Hi,

I noticed you undid a paragraph on the article about Voisava. A paragraph about her disputed origins, in which I edited back after dealing with (possibly) nationalistic editors. You labeled my action as "disruptive edit" without naming any reason.

Could you immerse what you ment by that? Aleksandarstankov (talk) 20:16, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Aleksandarstankov: So, you are saying that the IP 2A02:1210:6C7C:3D00:18A3:91F2:26CD:209A was you? If that is the case, you should probably read the policies on using an IP and account at the same time, as those edits could've been seen as violating that. You aren't in trouble for it now, but just remember for next time. Anyway, to directly address your query, the edit appeared to be a disruptive nationality change (particularly as the IP retained the same source, and yet changed the content it was backing) hence why I reverted it as disruptive editing. Had both your edits and the IP edits been made on your account, it would've appeared as a single, non-disruptive change, which I wouldn't have reverted. Does this answer your question? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:03, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh, my fault. It was the user of the IP you referred to now who was in fact vandalizing. I thought that was you, but you were actually fixing the mess.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Aleksandarstankov (talk) 17:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Aleksandarstankov: 👍 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:23, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Why you are not submitting my article?

Note: This relates to Draft:Pinaki Bhattacharya --Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦

My topic is neutral. Truth Revealer 2006 (talk) 10:41, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Truth Revealer 2006: If that is what you think, there is nothing I can do for you. All I can say is that you need to read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, and actually read it, not just come back and say that it is neutral. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

You are an idiot Truth Revealer 2006 (talk) 10:50, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Truth Revealer 2006: I really don't care what you think I am. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

You think I care about your decline of my article?Of course,not.Wikipedia is not a free encyclopedia any more,it's acting as a propaganda website and you are not letting people express their freedom of speech. Truth Revealer 2006 (talk) 11:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not free speech. Also this:

Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:05, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Truth Revealer 2006: The edits you have made have made the article less acceptable for an encyclopeadia. The only reasons it wasn't accepted in its initial version (before your edits) was because the subject wasn't shown to be notable and it used a few citations from YouTube and Facebook. However, now it has many more issues, neutrality, tone, it doesn't even read like an encyclopaedia article any more. If you want to know what you need to do to get it accepted, go back to the version before you edited it and just find reliable sources to replace the unreliable sources in it, and then you will actually have a chance of having it accepted. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:21, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Madarchod,amar ebarer draft submit korbi besshar beta. Truth Revealer 2006 (talk) 17:52, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Truth Revealer 2006: I'd prefer you used English here if possible, since I'm not sure that you actually meant "Mother, I will submit my draft this year".
The subject is notable, but some reliable sources which show coverage from before the road safety protests in August 2018 would be good. It doesn't matter if they are in Bengali (or any other of the South Asian languages), so long as they show substantial coverage of Bhattacharya. I'd be happy to take a look at the draft once you are finished to provide further guidance. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:05, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Are you married? Truth Revealer 2006 (talk) 09:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Truth Revealer 2006: Why is that a relevant question? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

if wikipedia is a free encyclopedia,then why isn't it free of speech? Truth Revealer 2006 (talk) 06:16, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Read WP:NOTFREESPEECH. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:24, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Truth Revealer 2006: I think I can see what the problem is. The coverage from before the road safety protests (which is needed to prove notability) is about him apparently being involved in a drug adulteration scandal back in 2008. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:04, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

It was a propaganda against him,it was a political agenda because of his stand against the ruling party. Truth Revealer 2006 (talk) 12:39, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Truth Revealer 2006: Ok, then find reliable sources that say that, and add them to the article. I'm not convinced that the allegations are true, particularly since, if he was (as they claim) caught using WHO funding to enrich himself by selling capsules full of flour and pepper, then it would doubtless have attracted a lot more attention, rather than just a few opinion sites calling him names (like "cannibal"). Or, shorter Since you speak Bengali, you should be able to find sources more easily than me though. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:03, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Can you prove your statement? Truth Revealer 2006 (talk) 13:13, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Truth Revealer 2006: I can't prove that he didn't adulterate the drugs. As I said above, I simply do not believe that he did. I think that there would be more coverage if he really had knowingly adulterated drugs. Instead, all I could find about it was recent opinion pieces which were obviously influenced by the Awami League, and a blog post from 2017. But if you can find any sources showing coverage of Pinaki Bhattacharya from before the road safety protests, that would be enough for notability. Once the statement tagged as is sourced, then it is good to go into mainspace. Since you speak Bengali, you are in a better position than me to find the sources. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:33, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

In a youtube video,he clarified his position through various references and logical explanations.Can it be a good citation? Truth Revealer 2006 (talk) 13:35, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Truth Revealer 2006: See WP:YOUTUBE. You may be able to use some of the sources that he used though, if they meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:10, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Truth Revealer 2006: Sorry, when I linked to WP:YOUTUBE, I should have linked to WP:RSPYT instead. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:52, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Comment: Bengali speaking wikipedian here. The sentence "Madarchod,amar ebarer draft submit korbi besshar beta" he used here means "Moth***, you child of whore, you must accept my draft." He verbally abused you for not accepting the draft. If you want you can report this uncivil behaviour to ANI. Mehedi Abedin 20:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mehediabedin: Well, I guessed it most likely wasn't a compliment when translated correctly, but I'm not particularly worried about getting called such names. It's not going to get them what they want anyway. If they are also making an encyclopedia article, and aren't abusing any other editors, I'd prefer they didn't get blocked. If they do start abusing others, then it's blocking time. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:41, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

you are really stupid. Truth Revealer 2006 (talk) 06:12, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Telugu vandalising IP

There's this user who rewrites plots of Telugu films in incomprehensible English, his IP frequently changing. It is actually User:B.Bhargava Teja, who was blocked for copyvio issues. No way to keep track of him though, is it? Kailash29792 (talk) 17:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Do you have some examples of them doing this? Even just one may be enough. It depends how their IP is changing. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:06, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: All I would need would be either: a. A few pages they have recently been at, or b. A list of some IPs they have used, however briefly.
Unless a user is using proxies, their IPs are usually grouped into one or more sets of identifiable IP ranges. With enough individual IP addresses, it is usually possible to work out with a high degree of certainty what these ranges are. Then they can be blocked, or if blocking would cause too much collateral damage, watch the contributions from the range/s closely and revert and block the individual IPs.
If they have any "favourite" pages, these can be watchlisted and once an IP shows up, the other contribs of that IP can be checked and reverted as necessary.
Also, are you certain that it was them? Nalina.E.Nalina also engaged in similar stuff (rewriting plot summaries in dreadful English), and was more recently blocked, with a note by the checkuser that there was substantial WP:LOUTSOCKing. That could be an angle worth looking at.
I don't know if any of this rambling is any use, but I hope it may help? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:41, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Bhargav has a habit for beginning plots with "The film begins", and placing the producer (along with production company) ahead of the director in the lead. 183.82.123.174 and 49.37.135.90 are two of his latest IPs. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:08, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I'll take a look to see what the options here may be. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:57, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: I'm going offline for the night, I haven't completely looked into it, but as a start:

• 49.37.128.0/19 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))
• 183.82.123.0/24 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))

Include many edits by them. The latter could be blocked as them if the need arises. I may refine these two ranges, but I'm done for tonight. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:38, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: So, further to my comments earlier, neither of these are proxies (both geolocate to the same area, which is a good indicator of "non-proxy" status), which is very good, and makes it easier to track them. It may also be worth keeping an eye on 183.82.120.0/21 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)). Most edits aren't them, but if they are outside of the /24 range, they may be on this one. Make a note of any other IPs you see them using, and let me know, and I'll do some investigating. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:02, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: Does 223.237.27.118 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) match them? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, because they began with "The film begins" and ended at "Finally, the movie ends on a happy note", like they do ALL the time. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:48, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: Thanks for confirming, I'm still figuring out what their Quack sounds like. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Also, do they have any particular favourite articles, or is it fairly spread out over the whole topic? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

It is mainly Telugu cinema, but also frequently Hindi cinema, especially if there is an Andhra connect (either a Hindi remake of a Telugu film or the director/producer being from Andhra). Or if it involves Jeetendra since he acted in many Hindi remakes of South Indian films. Insaf Ki Pukar, though original, is another of Bhargav's victims of repeated grammar butchering, as seen here. This is another dirty example of him preferring the article to maintain his own SOP. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:00, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: I just pulled a count of every page that has "Finally, the movie ends on a happy note" on it. All 413 of them. That is a very busy sock.

Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Found another range, seems quite "blockable" if you want to request it somewhere: 2405:201:C00B:D000:0:0:0:0/52 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)). Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:31, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Seems like your reverts are being reverted like this — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:01, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

It might be better to file an SPI? — DaxServer (mobile) (t · m · c) 12:50, 25 February 2023 (UTC) — DaxServer (mobile) (t · m · c) 12:50, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I could do perhaps. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:01, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: As you may have noticed, I've opened an SPI and have also set about reverting their edits after the B.Bhargava account was blocked. Reverting them seems to trigger them to edit war their changes back into the article (but using a different IP), so keeping that up will expedite the process of identifying their IPs. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:46, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes I think it is also good to manually rewrite the plots. But I don't know how useful it is to tag the articles for cleanup rewrite, or if anyone actually notices them. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: Yeah, I found that the prior plots, if one existed, were usually better, but still not great. That said, I did do some fixing manually too. It probably isn't worth tagging the articles {{cleanup rewrite}} too quickly, as on a few occasions, the cleanup tag was the only thing that prevented the use of Rollback on their edits. If you do find one now that is "classic Bhargava", it may be good to first check the history to see whether it had already been fixed (or at least was better) at some point recently, and if so, revert back to that version. I also note a few unusual euphemisms that they use, such as "cease" for "kill", and a variation on "leaving breath" for "dying". Neither seem to be particularly common euphemisms, no matter how they are translated. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:34, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Commons

Curious, how did you know that editor made an edit on Commons? Cheers Adakiko (talk) 12:01, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Adakiko: Simple, M:SWViewer. I started using it to just patrol en.wiki, until a simplewiki admin pointed out that it was a bit more than just a streamlined version of Huggle. I subsequently broadened my RC patrol into global RC patrol. It's quite interesting, and tends to fill in the quiet times between the activity (and therefore vandalism) peaks. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:24, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Seems quite useful. Need a translator for Sanskrit! Cheers Adakiko (talk) 12:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, a translator isn't really needed to show that replacing a page with "u3ue7727wq1🤡" is vandalism. The point is, mostly it's fairly obvious what is going on without a translator, and you also learn to spot common vandal phrases in other languages. (E.g. if "Scheissekopf" is inserted in a BLP on de.wiki, it's definitely not going to be constructive).
Translation can often help though. If phrase translates as "pile of shit", it is (at best) probably not an encyclopaedic phrase in the original language.
With a bit of experience and understanding of the basics of a language, you can sometimes figure out, without needing to consult Google Translate, that "vous un plus moi des fer au poisson" is nonsense no matter how you translate it. Similarly, gratuitous use of "zizi" in fr.wiki probably isn't constructive either.
Often vandals move to small wikis after getting blocked on larger ones, so they generally don't use the "local" language anyway. (E.g. A vandal on la.wiki vandalising a page with with "balls". In the unlikely event that you hadn't already guessed, "Balls" is not a Latin word.) Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

YYYY-MM-DD prefered dates

1. Thought this story was EPIC!! Thankyou!! "In Australia, we use dmy, and a company I worked for at one point had someone in Human resources who was used to using mdy dates. After they got involved in some databases of employee birthdays, several people got two "birthdays" in a year, one on their actual birthday, and the other on a mdy interpretation of their dmy birthday."

2. Saw your last comments at User talk:Wreck Smurfy. I agree would be great to come down on a consistent date format, even if YYYY-MM-DD dates might seem a touch backwards.

But which years should we pick? Do you think we are in 1444 or 2565 or in 4721?

Without being ridiculous, what I am saying is that I agree, solely on consistent Anglo-American date formats, but there are bigger consistency challenges, in addition :)

Happy New Year!! Buckshot06 (talk) 21:13, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Buckshot06: No, none of those are correct. The correct year is 112. 😋 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:50, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Touche Juche!! Buckshot06 (talk) 01:08, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Tracy Thorne-Begland

Not sure why you removed my edit a couple of days ago.

You can email me at [redacted] 173.53.98.142 (talk) 02:10, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I reverted it because you need to cite a reliable source to support your addition. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:25, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

incorrect edits

Hello, dear editor! The page of this company PANH (Ulan-ude) uses the website and logo of another company - PANH Helicopters (Krasnodar), which is the copyright holder of these trademarks. The use and distribution violates the rights of the copyright holder. Please delete the site www.panh.ru b the logo or allow changes to be made independently. Thank you for your attention, and I hope for fruitful cooperation. Thank you, sincerely, PR Manager of PANH Helicopters Romanova Marina, my e-mail pr@panh.ru Fff55KK (talk) 12:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Fff55KK: I will take a look into this and see if there is any issues here, but please don't edit that page, as you broke some other stuff on there. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:48, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Fff55KK: I've removed them. It was considered to be fair use, but it doesn't help the encyclopedia to have the wrong logo or website. I've got a question for you though; Why do these two aviation-related companies have the same name? Are they (or were they) connected at some point? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

PANH is a Russian abbreviated name (The use of Aviation in the National Economy), previously it could be used by any operator of equipment. To date, these are two completely different companies that are not related to each other in any way. PANH (Ulan-Ude city) was formed in 2013 and operates airplanes, and PANH Helicopters (Krasnodar city) was formed back in Soviet times, in 1964, is an operator of helicopters and the owner of this logo and website, which were indicated on the page. I hope my comments helped to clarify, thank you for your attention. Fff55KK (talk) 13:14, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Fff55KK: Thanks. Cheerio! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, dear editor. This is great news. However, at the very end of the page there is a link to the helicopter company's website. We are not against advertising, but we would still be grateful if you would allow us to also remove it from the description of PANH (Ulan-Ude). Fff55KK (talk) 13:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Fff55KK: Thanks for spotting that, ill remove it. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:41, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, have a nice day! Fff55KK (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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stadium

check clubs that were defunct, my context is all correct... experienced editor should have known this, hope i dont need reports next time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.2.171.36 (talk) 09:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I didnt have an issue with that. I had an issue with you anachronistically changing the name of a team from its former name. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

it is correction as well...besides all was reverted, please take care next time.

Reverted

Hello Mak, the information you removed based on having no reference, is not an incident, an event, or some update, but it is a general information about the institute. There are times when Wikipedia doesn't regard own website links in doubts of promotion. I think it should not have been removed. Nadwrites (talk) 09:36, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I understand the first sentence you wrote, but not the second sentence. I can only respond to the first sentence. Please cite sources when adding information. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:44, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Unproductive tagging

It is your tagging articles that is the unproductive activity. Why don't you instead fix the URLs and get something done? I know that tagging gives you edit count and that seems to be a favorite sport of many, but had you improved the reference you would have actually got something done! kbrose (talk) 16:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Kbrose: Hello. The first thing I did after tagging was to run Citation Bot on the newly filled category. This has fixed approximately 700 refs already. There is no point everyone sitting around imagining that we have already found all the bare URLs in existence. Someone has to find them, and just because I don't fix them immediately doesn't mean that I am not doing anything about it. In addition, some newer users who may want to fix these URLs do not even know how to find untagged bare URLs, so by doing this, it vastly improves the chances that the URL will be turned into a proper reference. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 01:03, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mako001 hi, I also have some concerns about your tagging articles. Because some of the articles you tagged are already tagged with bare url templates. Secondly, although you don't like to use Bare URL template at the beginning of the pages, your edits make it very difficult to reach the category and also, the tools. So please first check the pages before adding bare url tags and put a template to help the others who try to fix these bare links. In your answer above you stated "The first thing I did after tagging was to run Citation Bot on the newly filled category", but you employed this bot only 1 out of 50 pages. So please consider to adopt much more helpful way if you do not do these taggings to increase your edit count. Best, Egeymi (talk) 13:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Egeymi: Only 1 of 50? I don't think that's quite right. Can you explain how you calculated that? I got closer to 3/5 that the bot fixed, based on starting with 2000+ and getting down to about 600-700 (assuming that about 100-200 were manually fixed). That is referring to runs that I requested, not manually running the bot page-by-page by the way, so it won't show as me editing the page, it will show as the bot editing it as "suggested by Mako001". Regarding the top template, it's not that I "don't like" that template (I do like it, and agree that it is helpful), it is because I don't know how to add it to 500 pages at once, without risk of destroying most of them. Also, which pages were already tagged as having bare URLs? I had been excluding from my edits any pages which were already in Category:All articles with bare URLs for citations, except when I removed square brackets from otherwise bare URLs. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

hanetball360 Edits

Hey,

I saw your reversion; A few things if could please help me understand:

1) the terminology/vocabulary has only been shown through their educational playlist { https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm76napVxdf1YoBH-pUsTvLN4kcLjXHjm } but wiki does not count that as credible reference, can you please explain to me how else it would be possible to educate people on it?

2) Why is intellectual property not something of value to site? (does it not show federal/ legal recognition ?)

3) Why remove the very top portion of the article where it talks about the light hearted nature of the sport being HIIT & describe it as being gender neutral; as far as i am concerned, no other sport allows teams to be both genders/ play against each other. (NBA/WBNA do not play together)

4) How is this in conflict of interest? I did not earn money for this, nor do I have any claims on the sport or any proceeds from it. I did this as gesture of kindness & am regretting it now.... DearDrDray (talk) 05:58, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@DearDrDray: Sorry, I've got to go offline for a few hours. I will respond properly to this in a few hours, and I may also make some of the changes to the page that you seem to have been wanting to make. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:05, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

No worries, take your time & tend to what you must. Just please, once your are back & available please help me understand the logic. DearDrDray (talk) 06:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, so...

Addition 1

Unlike any traditional sport, it was purposefully designed to be played by as wide an audience as possible while maintaining maximal health benefits and competitive spirit. Hanetball360 provides a unique mixture of High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) all the while being of low impact to the joints and minimal inter-player contact. It does not require physiological superiority in order for a player to excel at the sport. Regardless of height, weight, or body mass, the short-bursts of intense full body activity provides cardiovascular health benefits and helps with weight management. Hanetball360 is also among the few sports that is gender-neutral in the sense that a game can be played by any gender and teams can be mixed.

This isn't sourced, and really needs to be as it is entirely positive about the sport, and makes some claims which need very good sourcing ("peer-reviewed scientific journal article in a reputable publication" sort of good), such as about the "low impact to the joints". It also uses Peacock prose and Weasel words.

Addition 2

Vocabulary Hanetball360 leverages it own unique set of terminology for the sport: Hanetball – official game ball, approximately 7.5 inches in diameter GrundNet – Goalpost, 12 feet in diameter and approximately 3.5 feet feet in height. Circlohalt – the inner ring, closest area to the grundnet/goal-post from which scoring is allowed Phloin – the outer ring, furthest area to the grundnet/goal-post from which scoring is doubled Bump – passing the ball by bouncing it on the floor. Grund – One point, scored by simply getting the hanetball into the grundnet. PhloinShot – Two points, scored by throwing a hanetball from the outer ring. RimGrund – Three points, scored when a hanetball touches the rim of the grundnet when scoring. Rimphloin – Five points, scored when a hanetball is thrown from the outer ring and touches the rim of the grundnet upon entry Ejection – Six points Grundmeter – Goalie that stands inside of the goalpost. Blocker – Goalie support system and the final layer of defense between advancers and grundmeters. Advancer – Main offensive position for shooting the hanetball and scoring points. Participant – In between an Advancer and a Blocker for controlling the field.

This doesn't seem to be suitable information for an encyclopaedia, and also isn't sourced.

Addition 3
From inception, Hanetball360 had intentions of appealing to a global audience. Thus, it has applied for and has been granted a patent for the structure of the game. Additionally, the sport currently has IP patents pended in over 80 countries.

Again, more peacock prose, and it uses wp:primary sources inappropriately. The last sentence isn't sourced either.

Finally, removing those tags was not suitable. The issues are still current, and many of the issues I have identified with your additions are issues with the rest of the article too. The subject is of questionable notability, the sourcing appears to rely heavily on press releases and PRNewsWire-type sources. The variety of issues present is a common set if issues which is seen where an editor with a COI has edited the page extensively, which is why it had the COI tag. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:31, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Nirjhari Sinha

Hi there I made an edit on this page after review because I was made to realize that I quoted wrong reference. The referenced article doesn't say anything about Nirjhari Sinha being founding member of the party. It was just that she was accompanying her husband. So I was wrong and reversed it. I clarified with Nirjhari Sinha whose work I am acquainted with but no conflict of interest. I am acquainted with her work but not paid by her, not employed by her, not a relative, not a friend. I am not part of any of her endevors. Ddj17 (talk) 06:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ddj17: Hello, sorry i took a while to get back to you. WP:BLPRESTORE is on your side here, so you can reinstate that removal for now. I am a little occupied right now, but once I get a while to look into it, I will take a more thorough look. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:23, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

someone else helped correct. thanks! Ddj17 (talk) 14:27, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Bare urls

You've been doing the same. Please fix them instead of tagging them. What about using ReFill tool. Otherwise, these edits cannot be seen as positive. Egeymi (talk) 08:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

@Egeymi: At risk of repeating myself like a broken record I will say it again: They are already being fixed. Saying that the edits "cannot be seen as positive" is a fairly big claim. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:23, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

The same here, I haven't seen any of your edits fixing these articles. You just put the tag and employ (sometimes or rarely) the Citation Bot which does not remove bare urls. --Egeymi (talk) 08:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

@Egeymi: Your assessment of the usefulness of these edits seems to be affected by a biased dataset. What I mean by that is: It seems that you are evaluating the usefulness of these edits by going to pages in the category and seeing whether it was fixed by Citation Bot or not. Since any that were fixed by CB will not be in the category any more, any that you do see are not fixed. From this, you seem to draw the conclusion that Citation Bot doesn't fix bare URLs. This is a form of survival bias. In addition, pages that are left in the category after running CB are much less likely to have had any changes that CB could make, so the fraction of pages left in the category that have been edited by CB is lower than if it included pages which were recently removed from the category. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:39, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

What the diluters are up to

While I'm revisiting this stuff on occasion of Muscovy duck, this may interest you: Homeopathic_dilutions#Potency_scales. The 200C version is what they describe in the cited article. It's all down to the vibrations (tm)... :p --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:58, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@Elmidae: It seems that I greatly underestimated the stupidity of homeopathic "medicine". I mean, at that concentration, you could use 1 gram of offal for the entire lifetime of your company. Even if the offal went rotten, it wouldn't matter at that dilution, they'd just sell it as "essence of duck liver with added flora". Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:25, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia now approve vandalism?

This edit which you removed was intended to delete a personal attack and smear on the subject of this article. It is not factual information and has no place in a Wikipedia page. You might consider this before intervening. 2603:8001:7103:C68:41D2:41EC:80F9:75FF (talk) 03:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

No idea what edit you are talking about, if you could at least tell me what page it waa I might be able to help. However, reliably sourced negative information shouldn't be removed without a valid reason. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

This is an insertion of 807 words made on 03/11/2023 in the article "Sanjay Subrahmanyam". There is a difference between "negative information" and a smear based on quoting an opinion in a blog, that you might care to recognize. Two IP addresses in New York are behind this, probably the same person. 2603:8001:7103:C68:41D2:41EC:80F9:75FF (talk) 03:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, yes I see. It is generally a good idea to use an edit summary when making edits like that, as it helps to avoid misunderstandings and unnecessary reversions of your edits. That article is still really not an encyclopaedia article, it is much too promotional. That may have been what triggered the New York IP to go and dig up some "dirt" to "even things out", although doing so isn't the right way to respond to such an issue. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Please note that the same passage of 807 words has now been brought back by IP address: 128.36.7.75, located at New Haven (Yale University).

You are somewhat naive if you think that this is an innocent intervention. Rather it is a settling of scores by the entourage of Yale University professor Alan Mikhail who received a scathing review of his work by Subrahmanyam and two other authors (Cemal Kafadar and Cornell Fleischer). See Wikipedia article "Alan Mikhail". 2603:8001:7103:C68:2500:6688:BB67:CC23 (talk) 03:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I will assume good faith unless I see good reason not to. That is not naiveté. If you think those IPs are acting in bad faith, you can report them at WP:ANI, or possibly WP:BLPN or WP:COIN if either of those would be more appropriate given the circumstances. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Not a reliable Source

I pulled it Taylor Swift's Website. Isn't that reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.183.180 (talk) 08:20, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability and stop edit warring. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:25, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok I want to come to some agreement. When is it ok to out dates for a concert? Like I understand that something can derail it, but I just want to know. 76.166.183.180 (talk) 09:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

WP:FUTURE may be helpful. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Restoring information I deleted on my profile.

Editing my profile. I edited my profile to remove some personal information about myself. I feel violated at the fact that you have restored this information. Please replace divorce with leaving the relationship. I was never married. Please remove reference to still born, please remove information about a pregnancy that ended up in abortion. You can mention forced sterilisation without mentioning these private - and now humiliating events. Thank you. Sethembiso- Promise Mthembu 41.157.208.139 (talk) 09:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Right, OK. Can I refer you to WP:BLPN? Someone there will be able to assist here better than me. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

You can remove the content if you wish, but make it clear that you are the subject. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Just contacting about apparent changes made from my account - or IP Address?

I'm confused - Don't think I've even looked at the page you messaged me about and didn't see this notification until now. Apparently there have been a few others from this. I've only ever edited a couple of medieval history articles which I can absolutely back up, whatever those changes were. Hopefully the messages I've received from you and a few other moderators aren't some internal hack either but if you need any information I'll be happy to provide it. Tim CMD CarabasMD (talk) 20:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@CarabasMD:Sorry, I'm not sure what you are referring to, as neither I nor anyone else has left messages on your account's talkpage up to now. However, as a general statement, it is quite possible that, whilst editing as an IP, you received messages intended for other people who have also used that IP. Creating an account (as you have done) should avoid this happening. I hope this helps? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Likely and thanks. Probably there are conventions on here that become apparent to regular contributors but seem directed toward the reader by the fashion you've outlined. CarabasMD (talk) 14:37, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Paul Enenche‎

Thanks for your help. I'm not optimistic that's going to have a productive outcome, unfortunately. Star Mississippi 03:08, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: Me neither, but I reckon it's worth a shot anyway. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 03:18, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

No Idea!

Hello, apologies for reaching out. Hope OK. I wanted to get additional information added to someone's page as think lacking a lot of info. He's one of the founding father of the internet. As he's my former boss and my friend. I've never edited Wikipedia, in fact have no idea how it works. Also don't know if it's acceptable practice if I know the source? If you have a spare moment I would be grateful for some knowledge or advice. No worries if you don't have time. MAYBE543 (talk) 07:17, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@MAYBE543: Hello! 👋🙂 Welcome to Wikipedia! I am not entirely sure what you are referring to, but you should be able to find the answers you need at Wikipedia:Citing sources, Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability. I hope this helps? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

How to add or update a topic to wikipedia?

Please share a format or template how to submit an update information which is not in wikipedia. And how I show the reference.

Thanks in advance. Tusher.9t (talk) 06:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tusher.9t: You may be best off looking at Wikipedia:Disambiguation, which outlines what should and shouldn't be on pages like that one. What you had added wasn't suitable for a disambiguation page. I will leave you a message with a few more general links to help you get started. Cheerio and happy editing! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Dear Mako

Mako,

There really is a duplication, read the paragraph worldwide, the content is almost the same as the lines I removed.

Maybe there is another way to solve this duplication? If you have a suggestion, I am open to it!!

Have a nice day!!!!

Hans Geluk

HansGeluk (talk) 08:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@HansGeluk: Perhaps I should have explained it a little differently: the duplication here isn't a problem. The idea of the lead (I.e. the part of the article before the first section heading) is to summarise the article. Anything in the lead will usually (and should) be repeated (in some form) in the main body of the article. The part you had removed was a vital component of the lead, which otherwise would not have properly summarised the main points of the article. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Re: content removal

Hello. @Vinhard here. I only moved content (dating history) from “biography” (which seems to be more focused on early life and career) to “personal life” section. Vinhard (talk) 06:53, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Vinhard: In that case, please explain your edits with an edit summary. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 06:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I actually explained it when I added the content to personal life section so I thought it might not be necessary to explain each removal. Should I do it all over again? Vinhard (talk) 07:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

You can go into the history page and find the revision just before my revert. Then click on the date and timestamp next to it to view that revision. Then click "edit", and save changes. That will revert it to your last version. Make sure you use an edit summary when you do so, which explains what you are doing, and that you have discussed it here. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:10, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit war accusation

Please explain why you warned me about edit warring when User:JalenFolf began the reverts.

Also explain your "disingenuous" comment. Giltsbeach (talk) 07:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Giltsbeach: You are actively edit warring to remove the content without even attempting to address the concerns raised. Rather you are just saying that you will report them for edit warring, whilst you yourself are edit warring and refusing to give a reason for your removals. Also, it takes two to edit war, regardless of who "started" it. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:29, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

JalenFolf has made three reverts. I made two. You threatened me with a ban, but not JalenFolf. You said so yourself, it takes two to edit war, but you're only attacking one. Why? Three reverts puts JalenFolf in violation of the three-revert rule.

I did not remove any content, you can clearly see the content is still in the infobox quite literally to the right of the lead. It is redundant to have it appear twice in the opening. Removing the "Poetic Meaning" subsection and also puts the sable article in line with other heraldic tincture articles, where this type of content is relegated to the infobox.

I did attempt to address the issues. If you would have bothered to investigate you would have seen I asked JalenFlolf to elaborate about the missing templates. He refused to answer. Probably because there was no templates that were removed. I also invited him to start a discussion on the talk page. Giltsbeach (talk) 07:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Giltsbeach: The rule is no more than three reverts. You were going after his "template" comment (which is part of a standard warning) since you could fasten onto that and attack it, but without addressing his other (and actual) concerns. This tactic is similar in spirit to ignoring someone's argument entirely and fastening on a typo they made. Anyway, you flat out refused to do the simple task of using a useful and accurate wp:edit summary, instead using the summary to threaten to have JalenFolf blocked. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

You threatened me with a ban but you didn't threaten JalenFolf despite the fact he made more reverts. Why?

I was accused of removing templates. I didn't remove any templates. I asked him about this accusation but he refused to answer. I can't address his concerns if he refuses to elaborate.

I did provide an edit summary, see where I added "No content removed, simply reworded." If you check the edits you will see the information about sable being linked to diamonds, Saturn, and nightshade was still there in the article. So no content or templates are missing. I merely moved the information rom one place in the article to somewhere else in the article. How was this a "disingenuous edit"? Giltsbeach (talk) 08:14, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Giltsbeach: I decline to answer further. There seems little point in continuing this at this time, as it doesn't seem likely to resolve the situation. Please take some time out to re-evaluate the situation, fully read everything that has been said to you, and then come back again. Please refrain from commenting on my talkpage for the next 24 hours. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Are you really suggesting I need to re-evaluate this situation when the other party already apologized and admitted he was mistaken? Giltsbeach (talk) 10:00, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Giltsbeach: And you now reply, after the fact, to try to make this earlier comment seem ridiculous. You should still be using proper edit summaries, and you relied on JalenFolf backing down to prevent further escalation. You may end up running into someone who is not quite so agreeable, and have a far more difficult day. It has ended well here (it seems) but... Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

JalenFolf admitted no content or templates were ever removed. That fact never changed. If you're comment looks ridiculous now then was just as ridiculous when you wrote it.

JalenFolf admitted no content or templates were ever removed. That fact never changed. If you're comment looks ridiculous now then was just as ridiculous when you wrote it.

I did use an edit summary. It's right there in the edit history.

JalenFolf didn't back down, he admitted he was mistaken and apologized.

This hasn't ended. You make disparaging remarks about me. You falsely accused me of deleting content. You falsely accused me of not addressing JalenFlof's issues. You falsely abused me of not providing an edit summary. You refused to explain yourself when asked. You refuse to admit you made a mistake. You refuse to apologize for your mistake. This is not appropriate or civil behavior. Giltsbeach (talk) 10:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Giltsbeach (talk) 07:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Complaint about systemic bias on Wikipedia

(Note: Was originally attached to an old section above)

I have the same complaint about obviously a different page and different edit. People who are trigger-happy with reverting everything are the reason I don't edit wikipedia any more like I did in years passed. It makes me really sad. Wikipedia is full of a horrible level of bias -systemic bias- because a certain type of people who are more committed - have proper talk pages etc do not take others edits in good faith.

Wikipedia is free content that anyone can edit?

Wikipedia's editors should treat each other with respect?

I don't think you are living by the above two rules . Unfortunately that is typical. Wikipedia cannot and will not improve if trigger happy editors only allow edits that they would have done exactly the same themselves. The wikipedia-committed people also seem be very unaware of their own biases. Its so hard for the rest of us to work with.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_community

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia#Criticism_of_process

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia#Systemic_bias_in_coverage

Its just a terrible tragedy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.120.57 (talk) 20:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

If you have a specific concern about an edit I'd be glad to hear it, but generalised griping about application of policy and systemic bias isn't very enlightening. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Mako your message 1st April

April 2023

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Originally written here (talk)

My complaint is above.

You can read it in the form and language it was written.

As you have said you are glad to hear about specific concerns,you would need to do the cognitive work to bridge from systemic bias to your actions on Wikipedia yourself.

And make your best effort to interpret things I talk of - about principles - to things you talk of - about specifics.

In my opinion you are obviously smart enough to do that but you (and 98% of Wikipedia editors apparently) are committed to a certain modus operandi.

The general is what I am 💔 about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.120.57 (talk) 09:48, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

So, you made an edit which added "Aging brain" to the "see also" section of "Dogma", and act which basically says that Dogma and Aging brain are linked (and is itself potentially symptomatic of systemic bias against older people by implying that they must all be dogmatic) and you added a bunch of blank entries below as well. Then you get all "systemic bias" about me reverting you. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:24, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

The same topic

The pages you have tagged today are already marked, such as Cellulose acetate film, so please be careful with your edits, thanks, Egeymi (talk) 07:44, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Egeymi: Sorry, I got through a couple, then noticed that I'd forgotten to exclude the ones that had already been tagged. Thanks for keeping an eye out. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Rule of tincture

You reverted all of my edits. In doing so you deleted content without explanation.

For example, you deleted the history section. You deleted the examples in the gallery that I added. Why did you reintroduce the redundancy found throughout the article? For example, tongues are mentioned in three separate places in the article.

Did you even read the article before making your changes? Or are you following and harassing me because of the incident at sable? Giltsbeach (talk) 17:46, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

@Giltsbeach: I reverted them a lot earlier, I have not been following you around and harassing you. Reinstate your changes, but use an edit summary explaining what you changed with the article, so that it is actually clear what you are doing, because the changes were not clear from looking at what you had changed. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 21:44, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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Dealer07 socking

Regarding this talk page post, while it's great you're trying to engage in this case it's pointless. If you see these kind of edits they just block evasion of a mass long term nationality disruptor User:Dealer07. They've gone through so many sockpuppets and block evasions they're effectively community banned and are revert and block on sight. No reason to engage. Canterbury Tail talk 12:34, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Canterbury Tail: I had heard of them, but wasn't very familiar. I use SWViewer, so the warning is automatic. If I notice something similar, I will try to remember to just go straight to AIV. Thanks. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 14:00, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:12, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

You are not aware of indian demographics and geo-politics, here from my experience and wide range of research i prefer to edit some contents of Wikipedia which are vandalised by some extremists and seperatists. You living in ukraine or else where in europe dont know the reality of indian- subcontinent.

You are not aware of indian demographics and geo-politics, here from my experience and wide range of research i prefer to edit some contents of Wikipedia which are vandalised by some extremists and seperatists. You living in ukraine or else where in europe dont know the reality of indian- subcontinent. Chaitanya kalra (talk) 06:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Dont remove my edits

I prefer to make peace in the indian subcontinent through rational and intellectual arguments based on facts and logic. I am a non-sectarian omnist who just want to stop the irrational conflicts between different religious traditions in indian subcontinent. Chaitanya kalra (talk) 06:55, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Your edits will be removed if they don't meet Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, particularly Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, which the edits I (and others) removed did not meet. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy notification

I've started a section at AN/I concerning Giltsbeach. Since a ping notification from AN/I is potentially terrifying, I no-pinged you when I mentioned you; so I'm notifying you here instead. Yngvadottir (talk) 11:20, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: I admire your bravery. They are more trouble than I can be bothered dealing with, and don't seem to be a collaborative type. I nearly commented on the last time you had notified me, but decided to stay out of it since I didn't feel like dealing with their tendentiousness. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for summarizing what I wrote. It undoubtedly helped immensely in clarifying the issue for others. And for responding while I slept. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:14, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

No worries. I have rarely seen a user cause so much trouble so early in their editing career. I mean, vandals and blatant trolls are easily blocked, but someone with that sort of mindset causes a whole other level of disruption. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 11:07, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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Ferdinand Porsche

How does the creation of an automobile for the Nazi regime by a known SS soldier not seem valid to you , or the detail in which this vehicle was marketed or sold? It was only the core to Ferdinand's fortune and legacy, I didn't even include the facts that he was never charged with war crimes though his using imprisoned Jews for the manufacturing. In 1942, Porsche started a project to see how they could use concentration camp inmates for cheaper, and large-scale production of their cars, in order to benefit their industry. https://dirkdeklein.net/2022/10/04/the-dark-history-of-porsche-porsche-and-the-nazi-regime/comment-page-1/

Maybe you just want to delete that part of history also Uncledaddy2023 (talk) 01:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@Uncledaddy2023: The section you added spent more time discussing the program in general than in discussing Ferdinand Porshce's role in the program. It also didn't indicate why the information was actually connected. I think that WP:COATRACK might have some relevance here. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 02:01, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Agus M page

Please find link to media articles here. Ipkiss stanley (talk) 05:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, please find link to a few articles here giving details of the NPG project in Agus M's page.

At various places in these articles, it mentions the reason for the project to reduce reliance on foreign service providers thus favouring domestic companies to benefit from business opportunity.

Ipkiss stanley (talk) 05:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Not able to attach links as the wiki app throws an error message if trying to send links in my reply Ipkiss stanley (talk) 05:56, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it will probably do that if it is on the spam blacklist. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Err.. these are articles published in Konkan, Kominfo (government website), infobanknews ( a reputed monthly publication), detik.com, etc. None of them can be called as "spam", and these are all articles quoting Agus as Central Bank Governor. Ipkiss stanley (talk) 07:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I hate

k 103.182.122.12 (talk) 09:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, how can I help you? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Removing square brackets

Under what policy or guideline are you "Removing square brackets from otherwise bare URLs"? What is the value of these edits? Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken: Because these square brackets hinder attempts to fix these bare URLs using automated tools. They also make the URL harder to identify to someone reading it. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:35, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Vaisesika Sutra

There is mention of gravity in the text of vaisesika Sutra.Is it necessary to add it in the history of gravitation article https://archive.org/details/thevaiasesikasut00kanauoft/page/155/mode/1up Harikrishnayappa34 (talk) 03:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm sure we've met before. Just give me a second to work out your earlier account and I think I'll file an SPI. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Problem

Hello you recently reverted my edit and you sayd in my talk page then i was testing but i actually was not testing so can you please look again just to be sure and if i was wrong you can tell me and i understand GillieBille (talk) 16:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

@Gilliebillie: Your changes were just switching words for synonyms, and didn't improve the article. Users sometimes make such edits when experimenting with Wikipedia. If you weren't testing, and want to edit, then can I suggest trying the Task Center? There are many suggestions for ways you can improve the encyclopaedia. Cheerio and happy editing! 🙂 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 17:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Gosh.

I guess they're back. I find it hillarious how they decided to come back after almost a year just to cause more disruption. Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 17:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dinoz1: Yeah. A bit annoying how they won't listen. Communication is required is starting to seem relevant. Most frustrating thing is that many of their edits are fine, and they could be really useful, if they just listen to other editors telling them not to do certain things, like removing tagged empty sections. Thank goodness they're on an IPv4, they were a lot harder to get hold of on the IPv6 address, as they changed IP every time they got a new message. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 17:32, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah. I hate when IP editors do that, it just makes everything harder for editors and admins. Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 17:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Especially when they give the strong impression that they aren't doing it by accident, and seem to want to play Gingerbread man with anyone attempting to communicate. If this particular IP keeps on causing problems, I'd support a short block to try to get their attention, and get the message across that we are actually serious about the whole communication thing. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 18:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Let's not forget about the school IPs. Most of the vandalism comes from 7-year-old kids editing in their elementary school's library spamming the most stupid things you could ever think of. I was reverting vandalism a few hours ago and I remember reverting an edit saying "they hi kiss" or something like that. Sometimes, they can be hillarious, however. Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 18:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I don't mind them so much. Adding "your mom69420" to articles is easily dealt with; warn, block, move on. Schools usually have static IPs too. But when a user is contributing mostly usefully, but doesn't respond to communication from editors telling them that they are causing some issues, that's a lot harder to deal with than a schoolkid. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 18:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Schools really need to tighten their moderation on Wikipedia editing, and then some of the staff have the audacity to say "We'll do better next year, unblock us please" 🙄. Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 18:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Meh, it probably won't make any difference, kids will be kids. But that's probably just me being cynical (or nostalgic, not sure which).

Btw, if you want something amusing, check out Draft:Bring Tech Pro. Someone was trying to write a spam article by modifying an existing article. I dont want to spoil it for you, but this is one of the funniest bits of attempted spam I've seen.

Anyway, I'm off for the night. (It's 2:30am here) Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 18:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

LOL! Anyway, see ya. Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 18:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Women are shorter or same height as men when they date and or marry and whoever thinks the other way around she is in heels

Did you know that women are shorter or same height as men when they date and or marry And whoever thinks the Other way around she is in heels And if she is taller than him naturally he will be rejected 170.199.54.142 (talk) 17:18, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

That's just sexist rubbish. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 17:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

IP Blocked? What a surprise. 🙄 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 18:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Removing square brackets

Under what policy or guideline are you "Removing square brackets from otherwise bare URLs"? What is the value of these edits? Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken: Because these square brackets hinder attempts to fix these bare URLs using automated tools. They also make the URL harder to identify to someone reading it. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 04:35, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

So there is no policy supporting these edits, and you are making them on your own. Ill be reverting them all. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken: What good will reverting them do? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

What policy supports reversion like that? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:20, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken: Seriously, what basis are you reverting them on? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 07:24, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your work here. Don't get discouraged!! —A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 16:36, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:32, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

• Hi Mako. A word of advice: when cleaning up refs, you can first run the pages through reFill. While this method sometimes does remove the square brackets surrounding URLs, it may fail to do so for some reason; in those cases, removing them manually is an option. Cheers, Nythar (💬-🍀) 17:01, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

  @Nythar: When doing 500 pages at once, I would typically remove them manually, and then run CB over it. I'm (mostly) OK with ReFill, but on that sort of scale, it gets a bit much to do manually. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:59, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Filters

Just wanted to give you notice that some of your removals are setting off a filter. Didn't know if you could see that on your end. Only set it off thrice so far. [[Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80B6:3101:7CCE:1BEE:48D4:C668|2804:F14:80B6:3101:7CCE:1BEE:48D4:C668]] ([[User talk:2804:F14:80B6:3101:7CCE:1BEE:48D4:C668|talk]]) 06:43, 31 May 2023 (UTC) :Cheers, I am aware, I get a pop-up alert saying that basically, the edit wasn't made due to hitting a filter. It is due to previous abuse of the nowiki tags to add banned links to pages. Upon removal of the tags, it trips the filters and/or spam blacklist. I'll go back to the instances where I've tripped the filter and try to fix those links, but without tripping it, I can't tell if it will actually cause a problem beforehand. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 06:47, 31 May 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Decolonization of Africa == may Decolonization of Africa refuse to apologize to avoid being seen as a public incompetent [[User:बॉट|बॉट]] ([[User talk:बॉट|talk]]) 14:09, 2 June 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:बॉट|बॉट]]: I don't quite understand what you mean, but if you are concerned about an edit on that page, I'm still getting around to running back over that one a second time to fix it. Thank you for your patience and understanding. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 14:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == This is not a solution to edit warring == [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irakli_Garibashvili&diff=prev&oldid=1158369793]. What we have is a mass attack of vandalism, reported at multiple noticeboards. 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Sent by Zippybonzo. --> <!-- Message sent by User:Zippybonzo@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers/Newsletter_list&oldid=1160196052 --> {{Clear}} == professional dickhead == this loser is often found in his moms basement getting no hoes, how about you worry about your own page and leave by big daddy celtics alone, my honey boo, BIG DICK DADDY JASYUM TATUM. [[User:Omargoat3|Omargoat3]] ([[User talk:Omargoat3|talk]]) 08:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC) :Interesting. Was that meant to be funny? Because I am having a great laugh right now. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 08:24, 18 June 2023 (UTC) ::omg stfu you actual dickface, your mom is riding this dick rn "because I am having a great laugh right now", stupid incel gets 0 hoes [[User:Omargoat3|Omargoat3]] ([[User talk:Omargoat3|talk]]) 08:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC) :::I think you may be trying to offend me, is that correct? If so, it is not exactly working. Your comments are absolutely hilarious! [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 {{Clear}} == Daily Record == Hello, the claim that the Daily Record website boasts the largest readership of any publisher based in Scotland, has no link to back up the claim. The claim is followed by [citation needed]. I countered the claim because its very likely written by a member of staff at Reach, its publisher. Could you please tell me why you are insisting that an unverified claim should remain published? [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7C:CB58:6800:B1B8:58BA:2BC9:9692|2A02:C7C:CB58:6800:B1B8:58BA:2BC9:9692]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7C:CB58:6800:B1B8:58BA:2BC9:9692|talk]]) 16:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Hello. Take a look == Hi. It’s nice to be in touch again. I hope this message meets you in good health. Do review [[Andy Elewere]]. Cheers. [[User:Amaekuma|Amaekuma]] ([[User talk:Amaekuma|talk]]) 00:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Tagging pages with bare URLs for citation, prior to follow up with tools (via WP:JWB) == Are you going to go back and fix all these? - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#1C0978">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 23:50, 24 June 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:FlightTime|FlightTime]]:Yes, I'm running Citation Bot through them currently. I cannot guarantee that I can fix all of them, as some may be outside my capability to fix, such as sites which I don't have access to. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 23:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC) ::That said, the vast majority will be fixed in a timely fashion. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 23:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC) :::Rather than tagging pages how about simply using the Refile tool (on this link https://refill.toolforge.org/index.php) to expand any bare references, as I just did on [[Montreal Central Station]]. Tagging hundreds of pages the way you are doing seems to me to be a bit of a waste of time since of us already realize that a bare reference need to be converted to a full citation. [[User:FFM784|FFM784]] ([[User talk:FFM784|talk]]) 13:49, 6 August 2023 (UTC) ::::{{ping|FFM784}} This particular type of tagging is intended not so much to tell a casual passer-by that it needs fixing, but rather it is intended to help users who wish to fix bare URLs to locate them more easily. Many of these URLs have been bare for a while. It is often important to identify and fix bare URLs as fast as possible, since linkrot can happen very quickly in some cases. Furthermore, I also run citation bot through, which fixes most of these bare URLs. This type of tagging works a bit like a "[[target designator]]", though here the "targets" are bare URLs. At the very least, it gives a better picture of how many bare URLs there actually are. I hope this clarifies the purpose of these edits? 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[[File:ANEWSicon.png|right|150px]] [[File:Wikipedia Administrator.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Administrator changes''' :[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added|Added]] [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] :[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] {{hlist|class=inline |[[Special:PermanentLink/1157946362#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2023#June 2023|Deckiller]] |[[Special:PermanentLink/1157946362#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2023#June 2023|Electionworld]] |[[Special:PermanentLink/1157946362#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2023#June 2023|MBisanz]] |[[Special:PermanentLink/1157946362#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2023#June 2023|Penwhale]] |[[Special:PermanentLink/1157946362#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2023#June 2023|Raul654]] |[[Special:PermanentLink/1157946362#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2023#June 2023|Roadrunner]] |[[Special:PermanentLink/1157946362#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2023#June 2023|Viridae]] |[[Special:PermanentLink/1157946362#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2023#June 2023|Yannismarou]] }} [[File:Wikipedia bureaucrat.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Bureaucrat changes''' :[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed|Removed]] [[Special:PermanentLink/1157946362#Wikipedia:Inactive administrators/2023#June 2023|MBisanz]] [[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news''' * Contributions to the English Wikipedia are now released under the [[Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License|Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License]] (CC BY-SA 4.0) license instead of [[Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|CC BY-SA 3.0]]. 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Proposed decisions are expected 5 July 2023 for the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Scottywong|Scottywong]] case and 9 July 2023 for the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW|AlisonW]] case. ---- {{center|{{flatlist| * [[Wikipedia talk:Administrators' newsletter|Discuss this newsletter]] * [[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter/Subscribe|Subscribe]] * [[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter/Archive|Archive]] }}}} <!-- -->{{center|1=<small>Sent by [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 12:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)</small>}} <!-- Message sent by User:Dreamy Jazz@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_newsletter/Subscribe&oldid=1161774768 --> {{Clear}} == Thanks == Thanks for cleaning up so many badly formed citations that I made in so many articles. It's a great improvement. [[User:CT55555|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(45deg,Red,Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">'''CT55555'''</span>]]([[User talk:CT55555|talk]]) 12:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC) :No problems, you're welcome! [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 12:32, 14 July 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == DNA barcoding == A DOI template that you added to an URL shows an error message. [[User:Achmad Rachmani|Achmad Rachmani]] ([[User talk:Achmad Rachmani|talk]]) 15:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:Achmad Rachmani|Achmad Rachmani]]: Uh, which? I've added several hundred. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 15:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC) ::[https://data.inrae.fr/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi:10.15454/TOMBYZ INRAE] [[User:Achmad Rachmani|Achmad Rachmani]] ([[User talk:Achmad Rachmani|talk]]) 15:10, 14 July 2023 (UTC) :::Thanks, I hadn't noticed that one, I'll make some changes to prevent future occurrences. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 05:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Your good work in updating the Rotomahana page. == Dear Mako, well done for updating the Lake Rotomahana page. It, like the Pink & White Terraces page, has been languishing since c. 2018 when I resigned from Wiki. Since then, we completed and published a great deal of research into these subjects. Regards, Rex Bunn [[Special:Contributions/122.148.162.95|122.148.162.95]] ([[User talk:122.148.162.95|talk]]) 03:03, 16 July 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == LLM Edit Detection == Hey there, I noticed that you reverted an edit on [[Patriotic Force – Prodromos Emfietzoglou]] that was LLM. How did you deduce this? I feel the issue will only worsen so I'd like to get ahead of hit. Thanks! - [[User:AquilaFasciata | AquilaFasciata]] ([[User talk:AquilaFasciata |talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/AquilaFasciata |contribs]]) 14:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC) :There is an ANI thread about it, a user went around adding LLM generated text to the leads of a few thousand articles. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 10:18, 21 July 2023 (UTC) ::Excuse me, but what is LLM? I have seen that someone's edit was reverted by you showing this reason and I have no idea about LLM. Is it something like AI generated text? [[User:Mehediabedin|Mehedi Abedin]] 11:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC) :::Basically they got ChatGPT to make a summary of the articles, copied and pasted those results into the article, and called it done. A few are fine, but many have terrible grammar, lack of encyclopaedic tone, masses of [[WP:ENGVAR]] violations, no links and the big one, many many are just plain wrong and making stuff up. They took no care in generating and pasting them in, sometimes doing one per minute so it's impossible for them to have checked that the output was in any way correct, so we have to undo everything. [[User:Canterbury Tail|<b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b>]] [[User talk:Canterbury Tail|<i style="color: Blue;">talk</i>]] 12:40, 21 July 2023 (UTC) ::::Yeah, what Canterbury Tail said. I should've probably wikilinked "LLM". ChatGPT has some serious limitations, especially on obscure or little published topics, and can sometimes misunderstand text rather strangely, in ways that a human would not. Hence, it is not a good idea to rely on it to summarise a text. It also has no ability to apply [[WP:DUE]]. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 12:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC) ::Ah, I see. I thought that there was a utility or something of the like that was used. Thanks for the heads up! - [[User:AquilaFasciata | AquilaFasciata]] ([[User talk:AquilaFasciata |talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/AquilaFasciata |contribs]]) 14:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC) :::The ANI thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Ettrig_mass_addition_of_longer_leads.|here]], if you're curious. [[User:XOR'easter|XOR'easter]] ([[User talk:XOR'easter|talk]]) 15:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Kill-It-With-Fire is leaving some smoldering remains == I had to manually deal with the LLM revert on [[downy woodpecker]] because KIWF didn't do enough. You should eyeball what the script is doing and either manually update post-script, or leave a note that more might be needed, or a note that say you'll come back to adjust. Looks like this is only happening when there are intervening edits, so maybe the script can note there are such so that you don't have to eyeball all of the work, just when the script says to. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 11:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]]: Thanks, I remembered about that part (that it may not revert all the targeted edits), but hadn't got back to checking. Had to do something IRL and didn't get around to it, I'll check back now and make sure it's all good. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 22:51, 22 July 2023 (UTC) ::Should be all OK now, but let me know if you run into anything else. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 23:20, 22 July 2023 (UTC) :::Cool! Thanks for the update. :) - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 15:51, 23 July 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Apologies == For jumping on you like that Mako001. For what it's worth, I had totally forgotten our previous encounter, and had to go back to archives 27 and 29 of my TP to work out what you meant! But thanks for doing so—and the reminder that you were the bigger person. I've struck my comment at AN/I; as you say, everyone contributes in their own way, and as long as it's useful work, it doesn't matter how. Thanks for everything you do here, and I'm glad our previous encounter didn't put you off! All the best, [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:blue">SN54129</span>]] 11:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:Serial Number 54129|SN54129]]: No worries, no hard feelings. See you round! 😁 [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 22:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Removals == Hello, you left me a message in my talk and removed the edits I made to Glossary of Firefighting Equipment citing that I had no sources. Most of what I edited was what certain tools or pieces of equipment are commonly called by firefighters, I also fixed the hook section because the descriptions of the hooks are incorrect. I was in the process of adding entries as well before you removed them. I am currently a firefighter and was expanding on the page as it is lacking in information. That is how I know what tools are what and the names we use for some things in the fire service. [[User:F4i0r1E|F4i0r1E]] ([[User talk:F4i0r1E|talk]]) 04:03, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[[User:F4i0r1E|F4i0r1E]] ([[User talk:F4i0r1E|talk]]) 04:03, 29 July 2023 (UTC) :@[[User:F4i0r1E|F4i0r1E]]: Whilst I understand that you have real-life experience with this equipment, Wikipedia policy is that information must be [[wp:verified|verified]], which is done by [[wp:citing|citing]] [[wp:reliable sources|reliable sources]]. If you have access to training manuals or handbooks, these may be acceptable sources for the content you wish to add. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 05:47, 29 July 2023 (UTC) ::I’ll do what I can to find some of this, however like I said a lot of it is colloquialisms that might not be in training books. Also what about the other entries that don’t have sources? I see a large number of them that are sourceless. [[User:F4i0r1E|F4i0r1E]] ([[User talk:F4i0r1E|talk]]) 08:05, 29 July 2023 (UTC) :::@[[User:F4i0r1E|F4i0r1E]]: You can either find sources for them (preferred option), tag them as {{t|citation needed}} if they seem likely to be correct, or remove them entirely if you aren't sure that they are correct. Perhaps a dictionary might be a possible source? [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 13:09, 29 July 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Disruptive Edits == I am requesting you to please block pallavi.p.g28 because she is repeatedly and continuously making disruptive edits in the cast section of Udaariyaan. She is reverting correct information [[Special:Contributions/103.101.212.245|103.101.212.245]] ([[User talk:103.101.212.245|talk]]) 15:34, 30 July 2023 (UTC) :Maybe, and maybe not. But if they do get blocked (not by me because I'm not an admin), it would probably be for sockpuppetry, not disruptive editing. Speaking of sockpuppetry, is there something you aren't telling me about a previous account of yours? [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 13:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Administrators' newsletter – August 2023 == [[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (July 2023). 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This allows hiding edits made by automated tools. ({{phab|T334338}}) * [[Special:BlockedExternalDomains]] is a new tool that allows easier blocking of plain domains (and their subdomains). This is more easily searchable and is faster for the software to use than the existing [[MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist|MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist]]. It does not support regex (for complex cases), URL path-matching, or the [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist|MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]]. 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Thank you for reading this. I noticed that, seems like you, placed the template message on the page iOS 17 according to the version history on that page. Is it only the place that says (additional citation(s) needed) or is it the whole article in general? I added 1 source to that place but do I need to add more to that section (I am referring to the section Social)? [[User:Myrealnamm|Myrealnamm]] ([[User talk:Myrealnamm|talk]]) 19:45, 8 August 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Incorrect information about the Civic holiday == Maybe read some legislation before providing false information https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/00e41#BK0 https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/public-holidays.html [[Special:Contributions/142.186.55.8|142.186.55.8]] ([[User talk:142.186.55.8|talk]]) 12:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC) :Your edit left parts of the page making no sense at all. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 12:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Revert "Accession of Ukraine to the European Union" == I disagree with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Accession_of_Ukraine_to_the_European_Union&diff=1171002958&oldid=1171002715 your revert] to the article "Accession of Ukraine to the European Union". The reason that you give is "incorrect use of tense". I don't see why: the passage is based on an article that reports a literal statement by the Lithuanian MP (translation by deepl.com): : "In 2027, when Lithuania will hold the EU presidency for the second time, Ukraine will be the main issue on our agenda," assured Lithuanian MP Andres Kubijus. If I report this literal quote, there's nothing ungrammatical in changing the tense as in my edit ("During Lithuania's EU presidency in 2027, the issue of Ukraine would become the main issue on Lithuania's agenda."). In fact, many grammars require such a shift of tense to make clear that the passage is using reported speech. However, if your revert isn't really based on grammatical issues, but if you disagree with it content-wise, fine. [[Special:Contributions/2.243.2.43|2.243.2.43]] ([[User talk:2.243.2.43|talk]]) 12:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC) :Sorry for the self-reply: The primary reason for my edit was that the current version as it is uses a wrong tense in stating that "the next 'window' will open in 2039". This may have been the opinion of Kubijus at the time, but it's factually wrong – there will be windows of opportunity earlier than that. Using "would" instead of "will" (as suggested in my edit) would have made that important difference clear. [[Special:Contributions/2.243.2.43|2.243.2.43]] ([[User talk:2.243.2.43|talk]]) 13:11, 18 August 2023 (UTC) ::If you wish to avoid the use of the word "will" in this case, the future conditional "would" isn't really suitable, and doesn't correctly convey that this is a firm intention of Lithuania, as opposed to just something that might happen. If the sentence was "if Lithuania was EU president, the issue would become..." that would be correct. The intent of the word "would" (as either past or future tense) isn't clear in the way that you had written it. I'd suggest using some sort of phrase like "it is intended that..." or something roughly along those lines, as single words aren't quite going to convey the right meaning. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 10:05, 19 August 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Sources exist for [[Professional Convention Management Association]] == Hello Mako001, back in February of 2022 you added Sources exist to Professional Convention Management Association. If I understood you edit summary you based that on sources mentioned in the deletion discussion - a discussion that resulted in no consensus. I looked at those sources and added some comments about them to the article talk page later that year. Would you look at my comments and consider removing the Sources exist template? Perhaps I've misunderstood and you located significant independent coverage that I'm not aware of. [[User:Gab4gab|Gab4gab]] ([[User talk:Gab4gab|talk]]) 23:19, 25 August 2023 (UTC) :{{ping|Gab4gab}} As with any maintenance template, you are welcome to remove if you don't think that it applies any more (or if you think it never applied at all). I added this around 18 months ago, and I don't remember what sources I found, but I reckon that I probably added it for an inadequate reason, so if you disagree with the addition, I would be fine with the template being removed. In fact, if you don't find anything more GNG-worthy on newspapers.com, I'd like to put in a pre-emptive '''Delete''' !vote. [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 04:37, 26 August 2023 (UTC) ::Thanks Mako001, it is an old issue that I'd forgotten but a recent edit popped it up on my watch list. 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[[Special:Contributions/92.10.158.221|92.10.158.221]] ([[User talk:92.10.158.221|talk]]) 07:08, 27 August 2023 (UTC) Sorry, are you ignoring me? Six days have passed since your revert, while edits elsewhere were made, despite this very talk page saying "I will typically self-revert (if the edit is still live), strike the warning template, and leave an apology note below it." [[Special:Contributions/92.10.159.107|92.10.159.107]] ([[User talk:92.10.159.107|talk]]) 08:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC) :Apologies, I forgot to reply to your original comment and now I cannot recall the original context. What was this about? [[User:Mako001|Mako001]][[Special:Contributions/Mako001| (C) ]][[User talk:Mako001| (T) ]] 🇺🇦 10:27, 3 September 2023 (UTC) {{Clear}} == Bared URL reformatting error from April == Hi, I just stumbled across (and fixed) [[Special:Diff/1174076465|<this>]] while seeing if I could find more of [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Vandalism_/_malfunction_affecting_A&..._pages|<these edits>]] still around not reverted. Turns out, that missing <nowiki><ref> happened when you did one of your bare URL fixing runs back in April: diff:1149817753.

For some reason it deleted the ref of a seemingly perfectly good citation before the one you were intending to fix... no idea how to investigate if that happened to some other page, but I figured I'd let you know.

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Thanks for letting me know, I think this was actually a manual error, since, if this was an automation issue, it would have done it far more frequently, resulting in either: a. Me noticing it; b. A LOT of complaints. Since neither of these happened, and since I remember spending a bit more time on that edit than usual, I'd say I manually stuffed that one up, and should've just left it with AWB. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:38, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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See my reply to your message regarding edits to Jessica Mauboy's page, allegedly made by me but in fact I am quite certain I have never visited that page and did not make those edits. The "user name" is an IP address that appears to match mine, so I imagine this is some kind of spoofing. I don't know how this happens but I can definitely state that this was not me. I only ever edit pages when logged in with my username. Bob 32 116 (talk) 16:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@Bob 32 116: Hello, the edits you are referring to (by 203.206.106.197 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)), were made quite some time ago (almost 18 months ago). IP addresses aren't usually static and fixed to a single user like email or street addresses, they are reassigned quite regularly. What has happened here is that someone eles vandalised that page whilst they were assigned the 203...197 IP, was warned for it, and stopped. Later, the same IP address was assigned to you. No IP spoofing has happened, nothing sinister is going on, it's just a quirk of how IP addresses work. If you wish to find out more, you can read the Wikipedia article: IP address. I hope this helps? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 00:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

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• An RfC about increasing the inactivity requirement for Interface administrators is open for feedback.

Technical news

• Pages that use the JSON contentmodel will now use tabs instead of spaces for auto-indentation. This will significantly reduce the page size. (T326065)

Arbitration

• Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee adopted a new enforcement restriction on January 4, 2024, wherein the Committee may apply the 'Reliable source consensus-required restriction' to specified topic areas.
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