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India

You had some good points but I'm removing per WP:TPO, please read WP:INDENT and re-post. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I think I know what you are trying to say at the India talk page about the Churchill content. But I think some copy-paste mistakes have crept in along with some stray characters as well. If I have your permission, I can fix it so other readers can understand your amendment. Zuggernaut (talk) 16:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Please go ahead and amend it. BTW, I only made changes to the last sentence.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Deshastha Brahmin

The edit you undid recently was of a GA reviewer who failed the article for dubious reasons. I've asked for an explanation. Zuggernaut (talk) 01:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Indira Gandhi

I have reverted your edit there. We should not add our personal ideas to wikipedia articles, we should add notable information supported by secondary reliable sources. Claims of corruption (true or not) fall under WP:REDFLAG. Regards. Materialscientist (talk) 22:30, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Regarding A.B. Vajpayee`s comment on Indira Gandhi. It is more reliable to take it from the source (himself) rather than newspaper reports. The references you cited were 29(Dynasties and Female Political Leaders in Asia: Gender, Power and Pedigree. By Claudia Derichs, Mark R. Thompson) which it self cites p.175 of Indira Gandhi A Biography(1997) by Pupul Jayakar. A Pupul Jayakar does not say in her book that that A.B. Vajpayee called her durga, but simply states that she likened to durga. (I tried to copy excerpt from page 175 for your benefit but it triggered a filter) while citations 30 and 31 are irrelevant as they do not contain this reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.195.188 (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Please check the Talk page of Indira Gandhi for my reply. Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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Anthromorphic

You have used the word anthromorphic on the Kurmi page, share anthromorphic features, what do you mean by anthromorphic?Yogesh Khandke (talk) 05:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Yogesh, Anthromorphology stands for physical features of a particular community or race. Other definitions I have seen on the web include, structures built by humans such as the pyramids. Risley was chief of the 1901 census of India. Unlike the present system, in those days the British colonial authorities counted every caste and sub-caste in India, for example, Marathi deshastha and karhade brahmins . For the this particular census , he also measured physical features of all the castes that were studies. The features includeed length and breadth of the nose, shape of the head, skin colour and height. I may have missed or added a feature here or there. I am using the word anthromorphic studies for this project. I don't think I coined this word. If you use anthromorphology with the word racial then you will get several hits. Hope this helps.67.184.12.136 (talk) 14:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Sharad Pawar, Smita Patil, Sandeep Patil, Atul Gawande, Rajnikant, Lalita Pawar

...all are being claimed as Kunbi in the List of Kunbi. Do you have sources so I can add to the main Kunbi article. Related discussion is at WT:IN#Kunbi Zuggernaut (talk) 01:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't have direct references but all of the above would be regarded as Maratha. Now the border between who is the socially high ranking 96 kulee Maratha and who is "plain" or Kunbi-Maratha is not clear. I have rarely come across a Maratha who wanted to differentiate himself as 96 kulee. Rajnikant started his working life as a bus driver in Bangalore so I doubt that he is from the 96 kulee. Sharad Pawar's family background is that of small farmer. Smita Patil came from a middle class background. Lalita Pawar starting her career in the 1920s or 1930s cinema and could not have come from conservative 96 kulee. As I suggested on Talk: Kunbi, the article should be merged with Maratha. The Maratha identity is very fluid. For example, Jijabai was from the Jadhav family but married a "Rajput-Maratha" Shahaji Bhosale. The 96 kulee do not have any bar against accepting as their brides, women from the kunbi families, however, they refrain from offering their daughters to the kunbis. However, centuries of hypergamy must have produced a 96 kulee population that is indistinguishable from the kunbis. I rarely heard anyone putting the suffix kunbi after Maratha. However, as you say in the article, the government of Maharashtra declared the kunbis as OBC. That act must have started the reverse process of Marathas identifying themselves as kunbis. Now getting back to the topic of discussion, I will look for references on the family life of the people you mention. Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 03:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Kunbi cousins

That was a good catch by you, thanks. I was trying to avoid close paraphrasing etc and I must admit to sometimes being fazed by the entire issue of family relationships - I have to think twice before naming my own cousins! It raises an interesting point (to me, at least) about the specifics but I do not know where to find out more about it, eg: the distinction between marriage to a female cousin via the male sibling of a mother's versus, say, a male cousin of that sibling or the ... well, the permutations are beyond me. Is it really that well defined, or is it just an example chosen by the source? To be clear, I am not doubting you in the slightest, although the "close cousin" rephrase does seem to advance things no further if the issue is as specific as this. Do you know of any source (not necessarily specific to Kunbi) that could help me to understand this? I rather think that it may be connected to the matrilineal concept but am genuinely at a loss. - Sitush (talk) 00:57, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Amongst the Hindu communities that practice or used to practice Cousin marriage, it is always cross cousins and never between parallel cousins. For example, I can marry my mother's brother's ( maternal uncle's) daughter ( we will be cross cousins) but not my father's brother's (paternal uncle's) daughter ( we will be parallel cousins). Again, cross cousin marriages are seen mostly in Hindus of central and Southern India but not in the North. Amongst the muslims, in India and elsewhere, there is no bar against cross or parallel cousins marrying. The UK government , I believe, is running a campaign against cousin marriage amongst the UK muslim communities to discourage this practice in order to reduce the incidences of genetically inherited diseases. I hope this helps. Jonathansammy (talk) 14:37, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Si tush, if you have access to archives of New Scientist magazine at a local Uni, then please search for an article on cousin marriages in southern India. I remember reading it in the 1990s. This also touched on the subject of maternal uncle- niece marriage amongst south Indian Hindu communities.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

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Kunbi

Since the Marata versus Kunbi ambiguity exists in the sources (and this is pretty uniform across multiple reliable sources), Wikipedia rules such as WP:OR will not allow us to draw a clear line clarifying who is who. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:33, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Agree. However, I believe most of what you say under the Maratha-Kunbi can be covered in the Maratha article.Jonathansammy (talk) 20:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

People will argue it belongs in both Maratha and Kunbi articles. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Citing

A while back you asked for help on how to use the {{sfn}} template. It's really a simple two step process. Sfn works in conjunction with the {{citation}} template. For the Kunbi article, to use the Hanlon work on Phule, you would have to first add the citation in the sources/references section like this:

Step 1: Add citation in sources/references section

• O'Hanlon, Rosalind (2002), Caste, Conflict and Ideology: Mahatma Jotirao Phule and Low Caste Protest in Nineteenth-Century Western India, Cambridge South Asian Studies, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 9780521523080

Step 2: Use the sfn template like this: {{sfn|O'Hanlon|1996|p=x}} or {{sfn|O'Hanlon|1996|pp=x-y}}

I've already taken care of step 1 so you can directly start adding content and cite it with {{sfn|O'Hanlon|1996|p=...

You know the environment there. Good luck. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Over the weekend when I will get some time for researching and editing this article. I will use the above at that time. Cheers Jonathansammy (talk) 15:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

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Brahminical v non-brahminical

See Brahmanism. Brahmanical worship constitutes of yajnas, Vedic hymns, Sanskrit stotras, elaborate ritualistic pujas where Brahmins preside et al. Non-Brahminical worship in Varkaris evolves "spiritual" worship with singing Vithoba's praises in form of abhangs or repeating his name or just darshan without ritual pujas. Non-Brahmanical worship in the Khandoba cult includes folk traditions like hook-swinging or fire-walking, non-vegetarian offerings. The articles do not say Brahmins do not worship Vithoba and Khandoba. They do worship, however the predominant cult/sects devoted to these deities are non-Brahmincal in nature. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

About Vithoba/Khandoba devotees, even Brahmins may indulge in non-Brahmanical worship while worshipping the deity or vice versa. But the predominant worship is non-Brahmanical in nature. Hinduism has evolved and there have been changes, like women performing yajnas, the blurring of casteism in urban centres et al. An article can be written if sufficient references are found. I am not much in such Hindu society articles (more into deities and epic figures), but I can help you if you can find the references and start an article. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:18, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Kayastha

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To be clear, you are just about to cross 3 reverts in 24 hours; doing more than that is almost always grounds for a block (we call it a bright-line rule). Until you can address the substantive problems with your suggested addition on the talk page, the information should stay out. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:25, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:AFC draft with Marathi sources

The draft Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dnyanesh Maharao is heavily based on Marathi sources. Could you please have a look whether the sources establish notability and serve to verrify the draft's content? Thanks in advance, Huon (talk) 02:10, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Bachchan

The issue of mentioning caste for Bachchan and his family has been discussed on the article talk page. There is also a link at User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. Trying to get round WP:BLP by referring to his family rather than the man himself creates an inference and is not acceptable. - Sitush (talk) 14:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Shastri and Kayastha

Please do not use search terms such as "lal bahadur shastri kayastha" when researching on Google etc. Such terms produce false or tainted results. For example, they exclude the possibility that the subject's caste is disputed. It is poor use of such searches that has given rise to the horrendous mess regarding caste and their associated varnas on Wikipedia (eg: people searching for "nair kshatriya" inevitably find results to support that claim but they generally omit the fact that it is not universally accepted). I'll do a search myself and find something better, just by reading around "lal bahadur shastri". - Sitush (talk) 17:56, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. - Sitush (talk) 18:25, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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Animal sacrifice.

I don't think that it is contradicted with ashvamdedha. Ashvamedha seems to be vedic sacrifice with no importance for this age. You cannot add "many holy texts" or "many scriptures", unless there is some scripture that promoted or allowed animal sacrifice. OccultZone (Talk) 17:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

The Yajurveda mentions animal sacrifice. Also saying "Hinduism forbids animal sacrfice" is such a sweeping sentence that is totally divorced from the reality of thousands of animals sacrificed across India in temples of Kali, Bhavani, Ekvira etc. If you say the Vaishnavism, the largest sect of Hinduism forbids it then I can understand. I hope it is clear what I am trying to say. Let us carry on this dialogue on Talk page of the article itself so others can take part. thanksJonathansammy (talk) 18:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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Rajput

I've no idea why you manipulated the source so much in this edit, nor why you added completely unsourced and rather inflammatory material. However, please don't do it again. - Sitush (talk) 14:11, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

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Can u plz set the image caption i have done for Maharashtra, i tried but the caption is not visible Ankush 89 (talk) 17:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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This is in reference to a relatively new umbrella article on en-wikipedia named Ceremonial pole. Ceremonial pole is a human tradition since ancient times; either existed in past at some point of time, or still exists in some cultures across global continents from north to south & from east to west. Ceremonial poles are used to symbolize a variety of concepts in several different world cultures.

Through article Ceremonial pole we intend to take encyclopedic note of cultural aspects and festive celebrations around Ceremonial pole as an umbrella article and want to have historical, mythological, anthropological aspects, reverence or worships wherever concerned as a small part.

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Ongoing Sambhaji battle

I do declare, I think that "sensual pleasures" sentence is one of the most contested ones I've ever added to a Wikipedia article, and likely the most-contested for a line which basically nobody has even attempted to refute by properly questioning the source of providing a reputable counter-source.

The only comparable thing would be the article Mansaf, where for years I've had to go in and fix it when people change the description of this yogurt and rice dish to "Jordanian dish" instead of the well-cited and documented "Jordanian and Palestinian dish". People are angry about very odd things in the world...

Thanks as always for your work! MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:26, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

The eminent historian, Jadunath Sarkar describes Sambhaji as "violent, capricious, and notoriously depraved in morals".Although Shivaji has God like status in Maharashtra, among local Marathi people, Sambhaji is also revered as "defender of the Hindu faith " because just before his death in 1689, he refused to convert to islam under torture by the Mughals. Therefore, being sensual does not fit the narrative preferred by his followers. But Mehta's work is based on respected historians like Sarkar and others and it should stay. I may even add more material on defection of Sambhaji to the Mughals during Shivaji's reign. Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 19:03, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello respected editor

  About sambhaji being unrpentant and therefore was under surveillance by Shivaji .is wrong information..... Ziesteno2 (talk) 19:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

The eminent historian such as jadunath Sarkar himself has changed and discovered many new information regarding sambhaji in his Aurangzeb vol1- vol 5 .he has mentioned that in "Life of aurangzeb "vol 4" under section preface to volume 2. With this logic historians like VS Bendre, has done more extensive historical work, discovered new sources , documents on sambhaji .....and claim made by early historians of sambhaji as failed ruler are proved inaccurate...by historians..like kamal Gokhale (she has a PhD in sambhaji topic done in English and has book based on sambhaji in Marathi and English as well ).there's one more historian dr Jaysingh Pawar he has also debunked myth of sambhaji as cruel.., violent...All of the mentioned historians have done serious scholarly work and ..i request Wikipediian community to look beyond English sources of history and few historians and consider work of historians who have specially done research and have work based on topic sambhaji.. Ziesteno2 (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for bringing the policy to my attention. I will abide by the policy in the future.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Reference of Andaman Island on Maratha Navy Page

Not sure why you removed the mention of Maratha Admiral Kanhoji Angre setting up a temporary base at the Andaman Islands. Two citations below:

• https://books.google.co.in/books?id=4_Rl5c_v1-kC&pg=PA236&dq=andaman+island+maratha&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=andaman%20island%20maratha&f=false
• http://www.andamanonline.in/About/profile/index.html

Let me know, thanks! Amit20081980 talk 18:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello Amit, Chander's book does not have any citations in the book to substantiate the claims. The other one is a website. please provide a reliable source where the authors can back up the claims. From what I have read of Maratha navy, they operated only on the coastal waters of Konkan between Mumbai and Sawantwadi. I have tried hard myself to find the Andaman claims but apart from tourist guides and blogs , i have not come across any papers or books by bona fide historians on the subject Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Your edit

What exactly needs to be referenced in this section? --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:10, 28 August 2016 (UTC) Thanks for your quick response. I believe the section needs more content than just two quotes from Mr. Agarwal's book. Also the agarwal book clearly says that the Diwan-E-Khas was looted just prior to the battle of Panipat in 1761. Surely, this should be part of section on that battle rather than a separate section. Also the section ends by saying that the rohillas hated Marathas. Again this should be part of the Panipat section because the Maratha defeat of Rohillas made the latter support Abdali in the battle of Panipat and during events preceding it and after the battle. ThanksJonathansammy (talk) 23:11, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Maratha Navy - article

The below sentence has a citation. I have provided a reference. Please check

In 1679, Shivaji annexed the island of Khanderi, which was 11 miles off the entrance to Mumbai. In response the English and the Siddis repeatedly attacked the island but were unable to oust the Marathas from the islands

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Andaman Islands base of the Maratha Navy

Please check the below link. I guess this should act as an evidence about the Maratha Naval base at Andaman Islands. Let me know, so that I can edit the page of Maratha Navy. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=AoFNCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA135&dq=angre+andaman&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=angre%20andaman&f=false

Amit20081980 talk 18:31, 24 September 2016 (UTC) Thanks for going the extra mile to find a better looking reference, however, the author does not give any supporting references in the two lines he has on Kanhoji Angre. Until a few years ago nobody said anything about Kanhoji setting up a base on the other side of the Indian peninsula, thousands of miles from his base on Konkan coast. Did brand new evidence come out recently ? If you are adding something to an article about history then there has to be a reliable evidence. Your reference does not fit that bill. I mainly work on indian and Maharashtra related articles and add material only after careful consideration. We should all be proud of our histories but perpetuating outlandlish claims does not do our subject matter any good. Regards. Jonathansammy (talk) 20:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Google Books

Go to Google Books and type in "Sakta animal sacrifice". Many sources which state animal sacrifice is common.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 18:06, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Spacing in your edits

This isn't the first time I've noticed this, by there's some weird spacing in some of your edits. See the most recent one, I removed them here (ignore my ce). Not intentional I suppose. Do you know why this happens? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:42, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out.It is not intentional.Do we have a MS WORD spelling and Grammar checker type editing function here ? That would greatly reduce the problem.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:08, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

There's this: Wikipedia:Spellchecking#Checking_a_single_article. Most browsers besides IE have in-built spell check. So I assume that's why you use MS Word. But then even this reply of yours has this spacing issue...how? I don't see why it would create such spacing problems though, but simple fix would be just rechecking it after you paste it in the edit form. Then another thing I wanted to tell you is about indenting your posts in talk. Ugog Nizdast (talk) (indented by me) 19:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Amazing!I copy-pasted the text in a WORD text document and that did not show any spacing issues.Thanks 20:33, 2 January 2017 (UTC)Jonathansammy (talk)

What about WP:THREADing your posts and WP:INDENTGAP? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

One learns new things everyday! Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Couple of more issues: punctuations always go after the refs, like here and for cite book with Google Books urls, the isn't any need for the access-date parameter--this is only used for regular webpages which change from time to time, GB links are suppose to be just the book and would never change. In the GB url only the "&id" (book's unique id) and "&pg" (page) are required, so

https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=5kMrsTj1NeYC&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=paine+phule&ots=WA5df3tRE5&sig=FvXe7iDUoAuBVjgLKG1iKtxdVoE#v=onepage&q=widows&f=false 

can be made into

https://books.google.com/books?&id=5kMrsTj1NeYC&pg=PR9

Do use this GB citation generator? Let me know if you have any questions. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 02:22, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Mahar

I'm not sure what was going on at Mahr in recent months but it looks like you may have added a lot of content relating to Dalits that was either unsourced or not in fact supported by the sources. Some even appeared to be violations of WP:BLP. I've trimmed a fair amount of stuff from the article but I suspect we may need to check pretty much every single source now because there has been an influx of Dalit-centric contributors on Wikipedia and far too many of them have been both POV pushers and clueless. - Sitush (talk) 15:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

First of all Happy New Year to you. Glad to see you back after a long absence. Yes, I have added content to the Mahar article. I use reliable sources ( mainly books published before Wikipedia was founded to avoid circular references) when adding new content. Now I see you have removed sourced content regarding the retention of Hindu customs by Mahars who have embraced buddhism? Why was that? BTW, I will be adding Narendra Jadhav back to the writers list with a reference from his own autobiography. Thanks as always for being such a good policeman. Jonathansammy (talk) 15:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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Overciting

Hi, why do we need multiple sources? It isn't contentious and we even have Muslim Rajput. Information such as that should be cited in the article body, not the infobox, and WP:OVERCITE applies. Or am I missing something? - Sitush (talk) 19:47, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Sitush, that was done just to make the point that there are many muslim tribes who claim Rajput descent.I guess that was overreaction on my part.I actually knew a student from Bradford who was a Rajput muslim Chauhan when I was at University.Thanks for pointing out WP:OVERCITE.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

about adding images

What images we should at tourism section of maharashtra Wikipedia page. Please suggest me Bk kartik21 (talk) 08:40, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Please have a look at the Talk page of the article.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 22:20, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

options for tourists spots

We should add tourist spots where tourist population is less like lonar lake, hazara falls Gondia or konkan which have immense tourism potential Bk kartik21 (talk) 16:39, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

As Wikipedia editors,we should strictly adhere to NPOV.I am sure the places you mention have tourism potential but it is not our job to promote these places.We can add the images in the geography section thoughJonathansammy (talk) 18:11, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on Karhade Brahmins

Amazing work. Thanks so much. Acharya63 (talk) 20:33, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Odd revert

Regarding this revert, note that my edit did not remove any reference it reused an existing one, which is always preferred over entering the same reference again. It also corrected a typo. Anyway, I am certainly not going to argue about this, if you prefer the inferior version, keep it. --Muhandes (talk) 16:29, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

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hi there, wrt your latest edit where you restored text focussed on his son Shamsher Singh. I think the personal life section has gone back to detailing the life of the latter instead of being focussed on the subject of the article. IMHO, it makes sense to keep Shamsher related text to the bare minimum necessary and keep the focus on Baji Rai? Shamsher Singh already has his own article where details like his death/ his sons future historical significance would make more sense to be? If it's ok with you, I am going to undo your change? Ps: pls also explain your changes in your change comment 😁 -MayureshK 18:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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Lohanas

@Jonathansammy: Please keep an eye on this Lohana page, there has been recent vandalism of sourced content by user "Harsh54". He is claiming Lohahans are Kshatriya from Afghanistan/Iran and other absurd pseudo-history things without any source. Additionally, he has removed so much things. I have restored as much as possible.61.3.101.142 (talk) 23:08, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I will try but my main interest is in the Hindu lohana diaspora of East Africa and UK.ThanksJonathansammy (talk) 23:36, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Marathi Wikipedia article: https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%96%E0%A4%B0_%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%87

From Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/People in business#A

• Chandrashekhar Agashe I (February 14, 1888 - June 9, 1956) was an Indian Chitpavan brahmin industrialist best known as the founder of Brihan Maharashtra Sugar Syndicate Ltd. The Chandrashekhar Agashe College of Physical Education, the Chandrashekhar Agashe Road at Shaniwar Peth, Pune and the Chandrashekhar Agashe Museum at the Raja Dinkar Kelkar Museum are named after him.

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Thoughts on moving Kshitigarbha to Kṣitigarbha

Hi! I recently opened a requested move on renaming Kshitigarbha to Kṣitigarbha over at the talk page and seeing that you participated in the previous discussion I was wondering if you could share your thoughts. Thanks! --DTM9025 (talk) 05:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your message but unfortunately I only have a very superficial understanding of topics related to Buddhism and therefore i can not offer an opinion on what is the accepted spelling or pronunciation.regardsJonathansammy (talk) 14:11, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Karhade Brahmin

Please can you provide quotes from the sources for all of the people you added here. All these caste lists are a bloody nuisance and there have been suggestions that they should be scrapped altogether, so quotes help. - Sitush (talk) 12:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure.

• Even the intervention of Bal Shastri Jambhekar, the most distinguished

first-generation graduate of the English schools and an orthodox Karhada Brahmin, could not entirely overcome the bitter split within orthodox ranks.

• Myth and history intertwine closely in the life of the Rani of Jhansi, known in

childhood as Manu. Even the date of her birth is uncertain.1 She was born in the holy city of Varanasi to a Karhada Brahmin, Moropant Tambe.

• Karhada Brahmans, numerically a small group, also live in the western coastal regions ; Sardesai, the historian, belongs to this caste.

• A Chitpavan member of the Bombay legislature brought the matter to the attention of the government;eminent historians discussed the matter at the annual meeting of the Indian Historical Records Commission; and the then Prime Minister of Bombay (BG Kher, a Karhade Brahman) received a personal appeal from Pendse

• Golwalkar—'Guruji' in the Sangh pantheon——came into this world a few days before this date …in 1906 on Monday, 19 February, at 4.34 am, which was Magha Vadya 11, Shaka 1827 according to the Hindu calendar. He was born into a Karhada Brahmin family of Nagpur. His

father, Sadashivrao, was a civil servant who eventually retired as the headmaster of a school.

I will try to get hold of the quote for BR Tambe.When I only added the name after finding a mention of his karhade heritage in the cited reference. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sitush, I think having caste lists is a great idea - it gives an idea of validated achievements of a community. It is very relevant to the caste. Most people jump from introduction section to the caste lists as these two are the most interesting. However, it is a good idea to requite a footnote or quote for the mention of every person in the caste list.Thanks-Acharya63 (talk) 06:04, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Acharya63, The above belongs to the article talk page of Karhade brahmins rather than a user page.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:01, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Jonathansammy, thanks for your work on Karhade brahmins. I am also working on wiki pages mostly related to marathi castes (in particular Deshastha , Koknastha, Karhade , Saraswat, CKP, Pathare Prabhu, maratha etc). Planning to get all these to GA status (deshastha seems to be the only one at GA status). I did get some books from the library here that cover some of these castes. Found a really good book on Chitpawans. Found some minor literature that cover Saraswats, Pathare prabhus, CKP and Daivadnya Brahmin but not in depth. But no good book on Karhade or Deshastha. If you know any books (specifically in english that might be available in US), pleas feel free to recommend them. I will try to get them. Second, I think some big personalities from many of the marathi communities are missing pages on wiki. For example, Deshastha (Vishnupant Pagnis etc.), Chitpawan (Vasant Joglekar etc.), CKP( Narayan Jagannath Vaidya, R. V. Sabnis etc.), Pathare Prabhu( I read that the first Indian origin chief justice in British era was a pathare prabhu but dont remember his name).Will try to get some references for these too fro the library. I think google books can sometimes be misleading because they could show something out of context since we get only a partial view and hence can be misleading. Thanks-Acharya63 (talk) 02:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Acharya63, Ideally, I would use Marathi language sources for the topics you want to add to.I don't know whether Indian language books are indexed by Google or other search engines.Unfortunately,there will be editors who do not know the language, will delete the content for being from an "unreliable source".In that case you just have to stand your ground and plead for AGF.Having said the above,do you read Marathi at an advanced level? As far as English sources are concerned,Google is still the best source for information.Out of curiosity,the book you mention on castes, did you get that from a university library or your local library ?Anyhow,since the Kokanastha brahmins have dominated power,politics,social reform,and upper caste culture in places such as Pune during the Peshwa and early British era, one tends to find more books on them rather than the other castes and sub-castes.From your name it seems you have Deshastha heritage,correct? Cheers.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jonathansammy, you guessed correctly about my heritage but my mother is Koknastha. I can read/write marathi well but have a better command on English. My interest is mostly limited to devotional literature in marathi which is hard to read (it uses some old dialect). I speak marathi with my family and maharashtrian friends. Got these books from the University libraries. The local libraries in the US do not have a good collection since caste related books are mostly of academic interest. The university libraries in the US (south asian sections) have books in marathi too. Unlike the Chitpawans who were very dominant and the tiny community of CKP that did really well too, the deshasthas (who were also well educated but more obsessed with rituals) progressed less in the British era because of religious obsession - which is still prevalent- although they produced a lot of saints unlike the Chitpawans. Both Chitpawans and CKP produced more intellectuals than the Deshasthas did in the late 19th/early 20th century in-spite of deshasthas being much larger in size. Some deshathas are quite sensitive wrt their status probably because of this. For a sensitiveness example :-) see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deshastha_Brahmin&diff=823089981&oldid=823081956

I simply put the quote from Jaffrelot where he referred to Kulkarnis as Brahmins but it was removed and replaced by some sensitive fellow because of what it said(Patils being superior) and thus removing a valid quote for the kulkarni name. :-) I personally have zero sensitivity on caste issues (perhaps because of living in the US) but I think any negative comment from a source should not be added unless it is generally considered true across the spectrum. Also I am against editors who try to downplay the achievements of castes other than their own. Caste discrimination is still prevalent in India (unfortunately). You might have heard of the Khole(brahmin) and the cook Nirmalatai Yadav (Maratha) case that was in the news a few months back. It shows that even in the 21st century, people in India are still obsessed with discrimination based on caste. Most westerners (or even non-maharashtrians) in my opinion do not have a good understanding of the caste system in maharashtra. Anyway, getting back to wiki edits, I have some new good material on most of the castes mentioned above (mostly the prabhus and chitpawans but not deshathas and karhades) and will add it to the wiki pages as I need to return the books in a few weeks from now. BTW, do you know if 'Stories of Indian Saints' translated from marathi by Justin Abbott is considered a reliable source? It has a lot of information and details about the saints, especially marathi saints. I know Raj era sources are not allowed for castes but are they also prohibited for biographies ? Maybe Sitush might have an opinion on this. Cheers -Acharya63 (talk) 09:32, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Acharya63, that was a long reply! I will briefly answer a few points that you raise.

1.As the Wikipedia editor said, Patil, Chaudhari,Kulkarni,Deshmukh, and Deshpande are titles of office holders doing specific government jobs.The families holding these hereditary jobs (watans} retained the titles as their surnames even after the watan system was abolished. So you do have Brahmins and Mahars having Patil as their surname. CKP also held the offices of Kulkarni and Deshpande and so you will find those surnames in that community.I can,however, assure you that Acharya,Pandit,Dixit,Joshi,Pathak etc. being associated with Hindu priesthood means you will not find non-brahmins with these surnames unless a non-brahmin family specifically adopted one of them as their surname in recent times. 2.Abbott translated Mahipati's books on the biographies of Hindu saints.Now Sitush will call the books hagiography rather than history and may not accept it as a reliable source.The original work predates British rule by at least a century.That's all for today.Thanks for contributing to Maharashtra related topics. That's all for today.Have a good day.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:35, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jonathansammy, Thanks for your explanation. Also, if you know any marathi books that cover the Deshastha/Karhade/Saraswat community, please can you let me know their names? I will try to get them from friends in Pune. In your case, how do you get the marathi books, do you have access to some library or BORI(Bhandarkar Research Institute)? Thanks and Best regards,-Acharya63 (talk) 09:17, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

As they say, Google Zindabad. It is my primary source.Given my work and other commitments,I can not spend time at local university libraries.I live a very long way off from BORI and so no chance of visiting it any time soon.Have a good dayJonathansammy (talk) 13:43, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Your edits to the legacy section of the page Maratha Empire

I know that Maratha principalities were British vassals post 1818; I have thought about it. Yet I included Maratha contributions towards society, literature, art etc. (post 1818 CE) for the below reason:

The word legacy implies leftover or remnant or footprint. Now, the Maratha contributions (such as their palaces, temples) although built under British suzerainty, still is a Maratha leftover. The British rule (1818 to 1947) was a federal one (just like today's India) with semi-autonomy to the princely states. I understand that the article is about Maratha Empire which ended in 1818 but post-1818 what remains is nothing but leftover or legacy. I don't think date of building a palace is that important as long as the palace was built during the semi-autonomous reign of a Maratha king.

Let me know your thoughts

User:Amit20081980 talk 12:26, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Amit20081980, All the art and beautiful palaces were built with funds obtained under British protection.even the architecture of many palaces such as the Kolhapur new palace is of Indo-Saracenic style with elements of European Gothic architecture.You can put all this under legacy on the pages of the individual states but putting it under Maratha empire is rewriting history.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 01:01, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello, just wanted to let you know that I'm working to address any issues which may count against Shivaji when I submit it for Good Article review later this year.

If you feel so inclined, your help would be welcome in finding citations for anything currently uncited, or removing it if we simply can't find a good site for it. I'm also going to read fully through some accounts of Shivaji to see if there are any significant issues that the article skips over. The article historically had a way of avoiding noting any weakness or compromise on the Maratha side, so when appropriate I'm trying to make sure coverage is NPOV.

If you have any general suggestions of things the article is missing, I'd welcome the input on the Talk page. Thanks as always for all your work helping keep India coverage sourced and NPOV! MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Btw, your Talk page was cluttered at the end with cites so I took the liberty of using the {{reflist-talk}} code to place to footnotes within each section, rather than at page-end. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:07, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

MatthewVanitas, Thanks for your efforts on this article.I will look out for any deficiencies in the article and rectify them or bring them to the attention you and other editors.Also thanks for getting sorting out the references on my page.Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Defection and return of Sambhaji

Hi Jonathansammy, It seems you re-added the references I removed on the page Sambhaji. I removed those references for the reason that they do not relate to second time confinement or survaillance on Sambhaji. Please check again the references. Also, I can see that you have interest and contribution to the page Sambhaji. hence, I request you to go through Sambhaji talk page under title "Defamation of Sambhaji". I request you to contribute to that topic as well along side.MatthewVanitas. Thanks. Vikram-dattu (talk) 17:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Citations, again

Hi, I know I have said this before but it really is driving me daft that you have been here so long and still cannot format a citation correctly. I've just fixed this one but I notice that things are even worse at that article because you seem to have been ignoring WP:CITEVAR and it is making the Refs section look a real mess. As far as I can see, the prevailing citation style was {{sfn}}. - Sitush (talk) 17:05, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Sitush.I really appreciate your work on Wikipedia.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:20, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Pune: Images moved to right

Hey, I noticed that you moved all the images to the right for some reason. That makes relevant images appear in unrelated sections. Having them on either side makes the article look more streamlined. On the Mumbai page, for example, the images are placed on the left and right alternatively, I suggest we do that with Pune. Let me know your thoughts. Berlindian (talk) 13:40, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I think having images on both sides makes the text secondary to the images because your eyes are navigating left and right.

I don't mind left or right but let us have them on one side.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:18, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

You completely missed the point. But let's leave it as it is. Berlindian (talk) 17:11, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Berlindian No, I did not.The problem with images not synchronizing is on the page on Maharashtra but at present Pune is OK.I wonder whether thumb size can be further reduced to eliminate this problem.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:22, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Mumbai has images, I assume the ones which were added earlier, alternating on both sides of the text. I personally like it, but we can leave them on one side. On the mobile version they appear in the centre where they are tagged anyway. For fromatting the image sizes, see Wikipedia:Extended image syntax#Size. Berlindian (talk) 17:27, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

INC

hey can you please participate with me in promoting this article  to a  "good article" .One reviewer has suggested the section  congress as a mass movement needs to be better composed .Can you please do that? .I've  already done all of his other suggestions.Hope you react positively.Thanks Akhiljaxxn (talk) 19:35, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Akhiljaxxn Sure.I do however want to have more information included on the structure of the party for the last forty years.I will have to do research on "Congress as mass movement" but that is not a problem.Please note that I work on a large number of article and therefore can not exclusively devote time to this article.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:52, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Maharashtra Brahmins

Hi Jonathan, I hope you doing well,this is regarding your last edit of adding “Portuguese controlled Goa” but the Explaination was regarding saraswath Brahmins before arraival to Goa since they controlled majority of konkan from port Mumbai to port cochi but declined during Portuguese actual rule.In further pages it has been given. Regards,

Joshi punekar (talk) 00:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC):: 

Hello Joshi punekar, Yes, I know that regarding saraswats and also other brahmins that priesthood was never the main pursuit of these people.However, on Wikipedia we have to adhere to what is in the source. If you say it is in other pages then please put it in the citation.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 12:59, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

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Mahar CASTE

Hey There, Sammy.. I had recently added a few details about history of mahar caste of Maharashtra.. You removed it why? Nowthatsk (talk) 17:22, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Mahar Caste

Hey Sammy, You just added only 1 aspect of mahar caste which is a Hinduism aspect where they treat other people who don't have a varna or who has done something which is forbidden in Hinduism. like Mahar people are avarna according to Hinduism. and they eat beef that is one of reasonable why they were treated as Untouchables. but you haven't added anything about Mahar culture or their own history which is apart from Untouchable label given by upper caste hindus. Why they Worship Nagas? Or Why 30 Crore people believe they are Mulnivasis? The mahar history has been distorted by aryans, and other Invaders. Nowthatsk (talk) 17:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Please take this to the Talk page of the article.ThanksJonathansammy (talk) 17:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Indian National Congress

Hi!

I recently deleted some statements made on the Indian National Congress page since they were clearly biased. The likening of the Congress to a "family-firm" is clearly a statement meant to antagonize the party. The author in the rest of her book seems to have displayed significant bias against the Congress.

I think the likening of the party to a "family firm" can be stated as an opinion (suggested edit). I also think these mentions are unnecessary since there is a sub-section dealing with dynastic politics in the Congress.

Please respond so that we may arrive at a resolution of this issue.

Thanks RithvikDS (talk) 19:41, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Marathi language

Regarding you revert here, where they sourced? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:17, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Narendra Jadhav and Urmila Pawar have their Wiki pages and have been well known writers for a long time.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I didn't know since they were not wikilinked and there is no citation after the text. That revert felt bad though since you also deleted the non-wiki articles. Anyway regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:24, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I've added (re added) some more notable Dalit Marathi language writers with sources this time. Check this - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:34, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for the reminder.Will bear that in mind for future edits.Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Good Faith

My edits were in good faith so you could've just re added the content with your source. When you undo it looks as if I've done a mistake. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:19, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

My original intent was to revert your edit and find sources that include the word Bihar.I did find sources that mention brahmin recruitment from Bihar for Bengal army but they will not be as visible as the Google book source and that's why I modified the content to mention Awadh only.My apologies if I hurt your feelings.regardsJonathansammy (talk) 15:08, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

That's OK mate. I have added Bihar since it is in the source added by you. Is it necessary to add (in present day Uttar Pradesh) after Awadh in the article since it is not in the source and in articles like Bombay Army, Madras Army, there is no mention of the modern day states. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:31, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.I think adding Uttar Pradesh is important because it is good for the reader to know exactly where the Awadh region is.I will add a suitable reference.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:38, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, adding a little detail wouldn't be harmful I guess. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:03, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you.Love the bhaaji but the bread only if it is buttered generously.Best regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:46, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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Regarding removal of name from list

Hi Jonathansammy, your recent this edit. Do you have any reference for the claim saying he's Karhade. MRRaja001 (talk) 16:53, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I do not have any reliable source to corroborate my personal information but believe me, he was not a Deshastha. Nevertheless, if you want to add it back, that is your call.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

MRRaja001 I saw you put Prabhakar Panshikar back in the list.However,I would not consider a Newspaper article necessarily a reliable source.I have personally known Prabhakar Panshikar's family for a very long time and know that they are karhade.I don't think there should be any haste in having him under Deshastha just based on that Illustrated Weekly article.You can certainly put him in in list of Maharashtrian brahmin or list of marathi people.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:01, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding Bal Gangadhar Tilak article

Hi Jonathansammy I think the article on Bal Gangadhar Tilak article is written from dalit point of view or anti brahmin point of view I think there should be more research on Lokmanya Tilak. Mahusha (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:34, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Mahusha, as long as the content has reliable sources to back up the claims then there isn't much that can be done about the situation.For example,Tilak used his newspapers to criticize the inclusion of Mathematics in the curriculum of Huzurpaga girls high school in the 1880s.In your opinion, should this be included or not ? We should not never put anyone on a pedestal because nobody is perfect.Wikipedia biographies should not be hagiographies of the subject and should include all aspects of their life.Tilak was a great nationalist but he was also a social conservative in contrast to people like Dhondo Karve, Ranade,and Agharkar.I hope this helps. Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:13, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

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Shiv Sena edit

Hi Jonathansammy, Hope you are doing well. Had a question about your recent edit here [2] If I am reading it correctly, Shiv Sena is supported by Marathas and Congress by Marathas and Kunbis. Moreover, Vora calls it the "Maratha party" since most MLAs of Shiv Sena are Maratha. Hence did not understand your edit. I think we should change it back to Maratha only. But wanted to write to you as I might have missed something while reading. Thanks Acharya63 (talk) 07:22, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

During the period of 1960-80s, Maharashtra was almost a one party state because of strong support by the Maratha-Kunbi community to the Congress or Congress break-away groups. In more recent times, with the rise of Shiv sena and lately BJP, outside the urban areas, the maratha vote has split.Shiv Sena originally was led by upper caste leaders and also drew support from non-maratha groups such as OBC. So saying it is a Maratha party is wrong. I have to look at the statistics to see what proportion of Shiv sena MLA are from Maratha community. We also have to compare that with proportion of BJP MLA are from Maratha-kunbi communities. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:05, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

In the source he specifically says strength came from maratha but does not mention Kunbi. Thanks Acharya63 (talk) 19:40, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Dear Acharya63, Since you have worked on castes related articles on so long, you know how flexible the definition of Maratha is. I certainly would not put the statement that Jonathansammy (talk) 13:47, 13 August 2019 (UTC)Shiv sena is a Maratha party in the lede unless you first expand on it in the body of the article.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 13:47, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Jonathansammy, I know but that paper distinguishes between Kunbi and Maratha and he uses Kunbi elsewhere. I know other sources at times use the name to mean all Maharashtrians etc. Anyway I am not changing it because it looks like OBC also support the shiv sena which could include Kunbi. We can close this discussion. Thanks Acharya63 (talk) 04:59, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

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Fylindfotberserk Happy New Year to you too. I hope you continue the work on India related projects.Best regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:13, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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Regarding Bajirao I article

Hi Jonathansammy please help me to improve the article Baji Rao I as it is very much needed to improve that article. Mahusha (talk) 11:27, 6 January 2020 (UTC).

Article on marathi people

you recently reverted the paragraph in marathi people the material was on Christian contribution in development of marathi literature, you either have improved article or given some attribution instead you reverted whole para. the coppied material was from same article. Also the sub article was about literature and british contribution in develop it further which you might not aware and thus the article is relevant. marshmir (talk) 17:49, January 2020 (UTC)

marshmir, If you check, you will see that I have contributed heavily to Marathi people as well as Marathi language articles on English wikipedia. All the christian contribution you see on the language page was mostly added by me. I also created the page on Dnyanodaya.The reverted material was the Marathi people article. Most of the missionaries were foreigners. You can add something regarding that but there is no point in copying a whole section from the language article. Also please remember to attribute in the edit summary even if it is from another wikipedia article. Some administrators keep a close eye on that and have admonished me for not attributing.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:49, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Marathi people article

Hi, can we update the percentage of Brahmins in Marathi people article, Thanks. MRRaja001 (talk) 14:22, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi MRRaja001, Please be more specific. Multiple sources say the population is 4.0%. The 9.0% claim by Karve is too high and sounds dubious.Nevertheless, let me know what changes are needed and then we can discuss it on the article talk page and others can weigh in on the subject.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok MRRaja001 (talk) 19:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jonathansammy, let's keep Iravati aside is Outlook also false. It's a fact that Brahmins make upto 10% of Total population of Maharashtra. These Sambhaji Brigade people are spreading wrong numbers of Brahmins to maintain their hold in Politics. Please understand what I'm trying to tell. Please see MRRaja001 (talk) 10:17, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

If you say Outlook is also useless then I'll show you other sources. Please check these.

• https://frontline.thehindu.com/dispatches/article25690217.ece
• https://www.indiatoday.in/news-analysis/story/maharashtra-assembly-election-how-brahmin-devendra-fadnavis-won-over-marathas-1610274-2019-10-17 MRRaja001 (talk) 10:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi MRRaja001 , We have discussed this in the past. Outlook can not be regarded as a reliable source.Also present day Maharashtra has huge population of non-Maharashtrians. How are you going to deduce the number of Marathi brahmins from any number of brahmins in Maharashtra? Also let us take this back to the Talk page of Maharashtrian Brahmin where we discussed this matter last year.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 10:43, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

The Newspaper articles do not mention their source for the numbers and therefore can not be considered as reliable sources. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 10:46, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi MRRaja001, let us take this to the Maharashtrian Brahmin talk page. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Regarding creation of articles

Hi Jonathansammy, I have a doubt can we create Wikipedia articles for district collectors of our country. Thanks MRRaja001 (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi MRRaja001, I am not sure. The position is obviously of very high importance with the officers responsible for large population under their respective jurisdictions.I think we should ask admins such as Utkarsh for his opinion.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:08, 3 March 2020 (UTC)Thanks

Check Rohini Sindhuri and also Category:Indian Administrative Service officers. Going by these two examples, I think you will be OK to have a page on notable district collectors.All the best.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:08, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Regarding articles

Hi Jonathansammy, are these two articles about the same person.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajesh_Tope
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajeshbhaiyya_Tope MRRaja001 (talk) 08:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Regarding a article

Hi Jonathansammy, Please include these regions also on the India Map in the occupation section of Maharashtrian Brahmin page, (Mysore Kingdom area, Maharashtrian Brahmins are spread throughout this area including Bangalore), (North Karnataka districts mainly Belgaum, Bijapur, Dharwad, Gadag districts), (Guntur District, Krishna district, Kurnool district, Kadapa district, Anantapur district, Nellore district of Andhra Pradesh) and (Hyderabad in Telangana) , Thanks MRRaja001 (talk) 7:56, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

A suggestion regarding Deshastha Brahmin article

Hi Jonathansammy, i think most of the content in the Deshastha Brahmin - Social and Culture section, we can add into Maharashtrian Brahmin page. What is your opinion about this? and also can we add Vyasatirtha and Purandara Dasa to lede of Deshastha page, since they are very prominent saints in Karnataka region. Cheers !!! MRRaja001 (talk) 16:45, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi MRRaja001 Yes, you can add content from Deshastha to Maharashtrian but but do it gradually and modify it if necessary. As for including Vyasatirtha and Purandara Dasa in the lede , only include one or two most important saints and only if they influenced the broader Kannada community like Dnyaneshwar did in Maharashtra. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 23:58, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Both Vyasatirtha and Purandara Dasa are very famous personalities in Karnataka. Purandara Dasa composed 4,75,000 Sankirthans in Kannada, that itself shows how significantly he contributed to Kannada fraternity. MRRaja001 (talk) 00:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

We can also add Vijaya Dasa, who composed more than 25,000 songs in Kannada, which is more than what Tyagaraja (24,000 songs) composed in Telugu. MRRaja001 (talk) 00:13, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

In the lede , you should not have too many names, unless the article was specifically on notable Deshastha. Since it is on the whole Deshastha community, the lede should reflect everything about the community rather than just the notables. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 02:45, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok then I'll do one thing, I'll add only Purandara Dasa to lede, What do you say? Thanks.MRRaja001 (talk) 5:23, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

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Please delet the draft. There is already an article for the him. See Rohit Rajendra Pawar.

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I had added proper references still you reverted my changes I am warning you not mess with our community's history else we will file formal complaint against you for defaming our community's regiment Raje Ranveer (talk) 16:39, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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maratha(cast) was classified as martial race in 1910 how can british in 1890 stops the recruitment of maharbin favour of maratha(cast) Raje Ranveer (talk) 09:38, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

mahars were allowed to use horse in marriage ceremony and peshwa declared them as Untouchables go though references

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Article on Sambhaji

Hello JonathanSammy, from your profile you seem to be a Marathi person. I am quite surprised to see that you are not accepting the new sources which portray Sambhaji in a positive manner. You must be also knowing about the works by many people such as VS Bendre and Kamal Gokhale on Sambhaji. I understand that Vishwas Patil and Shivaji Sawant are novelists but proper historians such as Bendre and Gokhale have done great analysis of Sambhaji's career much before them. Their work cannot be considered as novels. Please go and check these references as well. Jaysingrao Pawar etc. and others have also written historical accounts on Sambhaji which are not novels.

                    Other foreign editors like MatthewVanitas and Bonadea may not have authentic information about the Maratha Empire as they are not Indian. But you are Marathi, you can definitely have a look at these new Marathi sources as well. If they are not available on Google scholar etc., You can also access it in some other way as you are from Maharashtra. Charvak157 (talk) 06:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello JonathanSammy, please read this, I have also posted this on talk page of the article on Sambhaji, in the discussion (Sambhaji- old references vs new references)

Hello everyone, extending my argument about validity of old references about Sambhaji, I am presenting the comments on reliability of sources on the Marathas written by reputed historians V.S.Bendre and V.K.Rajwade, from the preface of Bendrey's book 'Malojiraje and Shahaji Maharaj' (pg 31-40) These will make it clear why I have been opposing the reliance of this article on the older references. This is a great extensive commentary on the reliability of the sources on the Maratha history.

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     'We must understand the historical truth by assessing the quality, strengths and weaknesses of the evidences used to write  historical writings. These weaknesses are of two types

1) If the writer is biased, then he uses incomplete or wrong information and his writing will be weak and unreliable. 2) The accuracy of historical writings decreases with an increase in the time interval between the historical event and the time of writing. We also have to consider the human tendency of writing history from the author's own point of view.

People who are just writing the history and are not related to concerned historical figure only write about existing beliefs. Their writings cannot be considered as reliable as the writings of the people who were related to the historical figure. Hence, contemporary as well post-event 'bakhars' and 'haqeekats' are 'third class sources'. While contemporary reports and news letters are 'second class sources' In these second class sources, official newsletters, 'shakavalis', autobiographies or information deliberately acquired by other kingdoms etc. can be considered to be more reliable as compared other folklore type second class sources.

Evidences such as Official Letters of the officers, Letters of the families related to the historical event, contemporary accounts statements etc. can be considered as 'first class statements' for judging the historical truth.

By using the above principles in the case of the Maratha Empire 1) The letters of Mughals which tell the account of the Marathas are not as reliable as the letters of Shivaji-Sambhaji, as they already contain a biased point of view against their enemies. Still, it is wrong to ignore them completely.

2) The British newsletters about the Marathas were a good 'second class source' till the point when they were writing it from an impartial point of view. But, since the 18th century, when the British became the competitors of the Marathas, their letters started becoming more and more biased against the Marathas. Hence their reliability fell considerably.

The 'third class sources' such as 'Bakhars' and 'Haqeekats' are often written at the will of a person. Hence they are not backed by proper evidence, and should not be used to reconstruct history.

V.K.Rajwade in his book on 'sources of Maratha history' written around 1910, has clearly mentioned that 'You take any Bakhar in your hand and you will rarely find a bakhar having correct judgement of timeline of historical events. Imaginory Relations of mythological stories, Lack of printing etc. has resulted in creeping of many errors in those 'bakhars'. These bakhars often have exaggerated events without checking their historical validity.'

The bakhars have often given very short informations about 1) Pre-Shivaji and contemporary Muslim kingdoms. 2) Any campaign of Shivaji. 3) The family inter-relations and conditions in Bhosale or the Peshwa family. This information is completely confusing, contrasting, unrealistic, irrelevant that it can never be considered as true without the support of other sources.

If we go on trust the bakhars without the support of 'first class sources' then we are not able to differentiate between the true and false informations given in the Bakhars. Hence, if we write the history based on the Bakhars only, then due to lack of reliable sources, our attempts will mostly fail. Plus even if an event is described in the same way in multiple bakhars, still it cannot be considered true by the principle of majority. Hence, even one 'first class source' such as 'original document' is enough to negate the majority of the Bakhars. Hence, the principle of majority does not work here. A single 'original document' can be trusted more than any Maratha or foreign Bakhars or Bakhar like accounts.

     V.K.Rajwade has written about the Bakhars that the Bakhars within themselves can be classified as third class, second class and first class respectively.

All these Bakhars are useful in some way. 1) Sabhasad Bakhar 2) Malhar Ramrao's Bakhar 3) Shivdigvijaya Are the three most important Bakhars. Like other Bakhars, these Bakhars are also plagued in several aspects such as wrong judgement of timeline, ignorance about the capabilities of the ruler, exaggeration, lack of organized information etc. It is totally necessary to reach out till the roots of the Bakhar's writings to verify it properly before trusting them as history. Available versions of the Bakhars are often second or third versions of the original one, and hence are corrupted with addition of new information.

1) Sabhasad Bakhar is completely written on the basis of pure recall of information, hence it cannot be considered as a completely reliable source.

2) Malhar Ramrao's Bakhar also has certain shortcomings hence cannot be considered as valid.

3) Shivdigvijaya uses old letters but the author was not well trained in organising the information, hence it cannot be considered as a completely reliable source. Hence these 3 major Bakhars are not at all 'first class sources' for examining the Maratha history. The Muslim 'Tawarikhs' also seem to have similar shortcomings and hence are not a reliable source of information.

All these problems give rise to the question that, How can we verify the information in the Bakhars? The answer is Contemporary Marathi, Persian, Kannada, English, Portuguese letters are the only sources to crosscheck the information in the Bakhars. If these are not found then we will not have comprehensive results. And to date very few of such letters have been found.

Reputed historians such as Grant Duff also trusted these Bakhars. Hence information written by him or his students cannot be considered as reliable. These new sources of original letters have not been discovered yet, hence we can trust the information in the Bakhars only if it is verified with an original source.

The reader often fails to understand the historical truth after relying on the Bakhars. And every figure in the Maratha history has been affected to a level due to lack of original sources. Many Bakhar writers did not have access to multiple original sources which limited their sourcing, and led them to insert Imaginory events in the history.

In case of Chatrapati Sambhaji, I (V.S.Bendrey) have compared events and descriptions in the Bakhars and descriptions of the same events in 'original documents' to prove how the descriptions in the Bakhars are Imaginory, Unrealistic and exaggerated.

(My own personal note{charvak157} - I don't have the book written by Bendre on Sambhaji with me right now, I will mention all these comparisons by Bendrey as soon as I get the book.)

In his conclusion V.K.Rajwade has mentioned that The sources of Maratha History have been written, compiled and published in a disorganised manner. These sources should have been presented in an organized manner. These poorly verified sources can definitely fool the person who is making his assumptions about the history on the basis of these sources.'

         End

Chhatrapati Sambhaji's history has been written by most authors such as Grant Duff, and other reputed historians such as Jadunath Sarkar, G.S.Sardesai etc who worked well before 1960's obviously had to rely on whatever sources were available in the forms of the Bakhars. As I have mentioned in my previous talk, authentic sources about Sambhaji have been discovered only after 1960. And most of these have not been translated into English. Hence, the earlier reputed historians whose work on the Marathas is considered to be seminal were not able to judge Sambhaji properly. These old Bakhars and sources have a portrayed Sambhaji like an imaginary, fiction like character in malicious way, ignoring his capabilities and contributions as a ruler. The bakhars often unrealistic accounts about Sambhaji which bewilder the reader. There are many examples supporting this. I will state one example here. According to the Bakhars, Sambhaji executed his stepmother Soyarabai. By sealing her in a wall alive. But 'Sambhaji's letter to Bakre Shastri of Kudal' in which he expresses grief over the death of Soyarabai. If he executed Soyarabai then why would he grieve for her death? Plus evidences indicating that Soyarabai was alive much after the execution of ministers involved in the plot are available.

Such misinformations about his character have been proven wrong in the past 50-60 years. And exploits of his military, political and administrative achievements have come to the fore in these time which were completely ignored before.

I sign off for today, and complete my today's argument. @MatthewVanitas, @Bonadea, @JonathanSammy please read this. Thank you so much.

Charvak157 (talk) 11:20, 6 June 2020 (UTC) Charvak157 (talk) 11:33, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Mahar

there are around 0.2 to 0.3 million bhangi/walmiki people present in maharashtra it has been 700 to 900 years since they are loving in maharashtra ..!! Their traditional work had been street sweeping. Mahars traditional work was village security and some other works for which no cast was dedicated. Raje Ranveer (talk) 09:32, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Need Help in Marathi Christian Article

Hello Jonathansamy, can i ask your help to build article "Marathi Christian" article is on wikipedia for more than 10 years of my work, but some user find it not worthy and heavily modified it without having knowledge of local caste and system. as the article is related Marathi and India i thought i should ask your help to build it more marshmir (talk)

Hi marshmir, Would be glad to help but please please please make sure that everything you add is backed by a reliable source. Also always strive for a neutral tone. Good luck.Jonathansammy (talk) 13:54, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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Kindly remove (dhoti-kurta-topi)-Maharashtra Men-Traditional Wear image in maharashtra wiki page because pic is not suitable nor have good resolution Bk kartik21 (talk) 08:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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Marathi people

Hello, you have reverted my edits on the Marathi people. Sorry for my mistake. Please see Gujarati people article where are same section (Notable people). That was the reason of my edits. Thank you. भारतभूषण प्रकाश नरंदेकर (talk) 05:35, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of जावळी

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Dear JW 1961, please delete the article.Because of the variations in spelling and the names, I didn't find these other articles.Thanks for pointing out. regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 22:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Jonathansammy, Don't worry It happens a lot :) an administrator will delete it shortly. Thank you for your contributions JW 1961 Talk 22:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Jyotirao Phule -> Jotirao Phule

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Indian National Congress

Hi mate, thanks for your edit on Indian National Congress. I was in search of someone to improve the article, and I am happy you have shown yourself. I would be glad and appreciate if you help me with regards to grammar, sentence framing etc.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 16:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

25 CENTS VICTORIOUS, Would be glad to help. Best regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

You can start copy editing now. Though have covered most of topics. Let me know once you are done with it.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 06:56, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am still awaiting for your help mate.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 07:29, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

25 CENTS VICTORIOUS, My apologies.I have been busy with work recently but will have a look. Indian politics and specifically history of the first thirty to forty years after independence is my passion, and so please count me in but you will have to be patient. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 00:54, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

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Maharashtra

Lonar Lake is a lake formed by the meteorite impact, it is in Mahrashtra. I think the world have only 3 of such and Mahrashtra's lake is one of them. Its images are present in wiki commons. I suggest you to add this info in geography section with image. It is India's only lake formed by meteorite impact. Plus Unapdev & Sunapde a have natural hot water springs. You can write this in geo section.Success think (talk) 16:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Quick question

Hi Jonathansammy, I noticed that your name is listed at WP:TRLA (Hindi-to-English) and I was wondering if you could help me with a brief question. I'm looking for the phrase "विकिपरियोजना वीडियो गेम्स". I know what it means in English, but I'm looking for an English transcription. -Thibbs (talk) 02:42, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Thibbs, Wikiproject Video Games? I hope this helps.Best regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 02:48, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jonathansammy, I know what "Wikiproject Video Games" means in English, but I'm interested in a transcription. For example I might say "VikiPariyojana vidiyo gemsa" or I might say "gems" instead of "gemsa". Do you know how to transcribe from Hindi script to English script? -Thibbs (talk) 13:09, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Bringing this to your notice

Dear @Jonathansammy:, I was going through some pages so I would like to see your attention on these pages like Chitpavan, Marathi Brahmin etc. It has undergone lots of changes ( some bit controversial) and I don't know if that has been contested. Since your account suggests you are very good in Maharashtra related topics and may be in history of Marathi Brahmins as well. Please do look at the changes on Chitpavan and on Marathi Brahmin page. Good luck, happy editing. RS6784 (talk) 07:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

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Vandalism

Do not vandalise pages. This is a formal note. Also Indic scripts are allowed with adequate trasliterations in wiki articles https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1091832220 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.246.213.104 (talk) 12:22, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

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Deshastha language

Hi Jonathansammy, How are you doing? Coming to point Deshastha Brahmins in North Karnataka are more than 5% of the total population. How can you write Kannada as Minority language among Deshasthas. Even in the districts of Pune, Solapur, Pandharpur there are lakhs of Deshastha Brahmins who speak Kannada at home as Mother tongue. - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 05:34, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

MRRaja001, I am fine.Thank you. I certainly know of Deshastha in Pune who speak Kannada but I guess what we need is statistics to give us the absolute numbers of Deshastha who speak Marathi and the ones who speak Kannada. Is it possible to find these numbers? If not then let us leave the section on language vague as before. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 03:51, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Okay. - MRRaja001 ^(talk) 10:17, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

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You should write Editing summary

I suggest, you should write full ES, whenever edit, don't do like u did here. And I saw you did editing on many Maratha Kunbi cast realated article. There's demining lines about Kunbi cast, which is looking down on Kunbis, in Kunbi caste article, you should remove it or give me your take that we should remove it or not.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 06:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

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Introduction Section For Article on Shivaji Listed as an Active Disagreement

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See Wikipedia:Third opinion#Active disagreements. Nonentity683 (talk) 14:45, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Kindly respond

You are not responding me on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1163057724 Kindly respond me as there is very unconstructive edis on that page & I had replied to your question,now it's your time to take action Thank you Aryan330 (talk) 15:45, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

@Jonathansammy I am still waiting for you reply on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1163254881 Aryan330 (talk) 04:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Marathi people

Hi, it is regarding these additions by IPs, seems unsourced. Have a look. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:36, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

This is an annoying sockfarm that keeps badgering me and possibly has a problem with brahmins. - Fylindfotberserk Fylindfotberserk 18:20, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

FylindfotberserkThanks mate. best regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at this addition. I don't see Maharashtra mentioned in a big way except in the IB. Also it should be listed as 'Komati' per common name if kept. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Religion in Maharashtra

Hi, I was editing this page to correct some technical errors, then noticed that you had recently reverted my previous edits. (I though this article seemed familiar!) So I thought I should explain my purpose.

I'm trying to clear the list of pages with footnote-related errors. Currently there are seven footnotes on this page that do not point to a reference - Ghozal (3), Mookerji, Bahuguna, Srinivasa-Raghavan and The Economist. Although these sources may not reference Maharashtra directly, they do reference the customs and rituals discussed in the article.

Also, a sentence in the article begins "Ghozal wrote...". As a casual reader, I have no idea who Ghozal is or why their writing matters. Perhaps a bit of clarification would help - "The historian/anthropologist/cricket player Ghozal wrote..." - and then point to the source of the quotation.

I will leave any further editing to you. Andy02124 (talk) 16:32, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Andy02124, You say and I quote "Currently there are seven footnotes on this page that do not point to a reference - Ghozal (3), Mookerji, Bahuguna, Srinivasa-Raghavan and The Economist. Although these sources may not reference Maharashtra directly, they do reference the customs and rituals discussed in the article." I deleted those references because they don't mention Maharashtra. Indirectly they may be relevant but citing them would be regarded as WP:OR or WP: Synthesis and not allowed on Wikipedia.I am sure these sources would be OK on a page on Hinduism or Religion in India.

Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I fail to understand your logic for removing the reference but not the associated footnote.

For example, the sentence fragment "Studies show that most Indians' traditional views on caste, religion, and family background have remained unchanged when it came to marriage," is followed by a footnote pointing to a work by Bahuguna. Currently, there is no such work cited and so the footnote raises a harv/sfn error.

Actually, the sentence itself is not specifically about Maharashtra and might be considered as outside the remit of the article, which is Religious demographics. Perhaps the whole section, "Ceremonies, rituals, and festivals", is not germane to an article about demographics.

As of now, the page remains on the error list (Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors) and I will move on to another of the 10,000 items on that list.

Cheers, Andy Andy02124 (talk) 14:51, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Reversion regarding the edit on Sambhaji

You said that "We don't allow British era sources on wikipedia". Is that a personal rule? If not, from where could I take information from? Root of almost every source is a Britsih source. Ajayraj890 (talk) 02:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Ajayraj890, No it is not a personal rule. The rule was adopted by consensus more than ten years ago. James Grant Duff wrote his book nearly two hundred years ago. It is a valuable document but there will more recent books on history of the Marathas and Sambhaji.I agree that British and Europeans were great at recording history, but you also have Sarkar, Sardesai, Rajwade etc. as reputable Indian historians.Also check [3]. I use google scholar to find my sources. Just putting Sambhaji, Shivaji, and date range of 1947-2008 on google scholar gave me more than 300 papers. Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:31, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Okay, but the content and the details of the events haven't evolved with time isn't it? Anyway, I have cited another sources now. Ajayraj890 (talk) 15:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding recent source provided by one user in GSB talk page

Dear @Jonathansammy, I hope you are doing well. https://www.jstor.org/stable/24543602? I just went through this paper shared by the user in the GSB talk page which seems to be answer for all ambiguity in the GSB page.If you don’t have access to JSTOR.I can share it for you or I can share the content for you.I am planning to develop that page without ambiguity(I found a lot of ambiguity mainly with regards to Varna status-There is no clarity) I want your help if you don’t mind as I don’t have experience in editing wiki. Editor3131 (talk) 19:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Editor3131, Thanks for sharing the paper. I have used O'Hanlon's work for many Wikipedia article.You just started editing today but seem somewhat experienced.I hope you are not a Wikipedia:SOCK.I will need to go through this paper and others before making any changes. Thanks for your patience.Jonathansammy (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@JonathansammyAs per that link sock means having alternative accounts.Be assured I don’t have any.Ya I have opened this account way back 2 months before but editing was a big task here!

Anyhow are you there in the telegram or any other medium of communication?.I am really feeling this editing wikipedia somewhat irritating.I have couple of resources in pdf don’t know how to share it here.See the content given by that user from the above link paper it is there in the talk page in the form of edit request.Even he gave one edit request mentioning Vedic ritual expertise of GSB.Seems like this GSB page is interesting. Editor3131 (talk) 04:09, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

We don't need any private email or messaging apps here. Please share the link here or on the GSB page, and then I or other editors can try to get the full paper.Wikipedia does not use any primary sources so whatever you want to share has to have been published in a reputable journal, and thus be a reilable source. I hope this helps. Jonathansammy (talk) 23:58, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Dear @JonathansammyI have read both the papers of Rosalind O'Hanlon on Maharashtra(2013 and 2010).Really well explained by this author.So when I tried to edit it showed “unable to edit to avoid vandalism”.

So can I frame the sentence without plagiarism and with valid reference from this paper?

can you copy paste those sentence in GSB page?(Hope you have access to it!) Editor3131 (talk) 13:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@Editor3131:, please share the quotes and page numbers from the source on the GSB page. The Chavan source is a Raj era source not 1991. If a modern source quotes Chavan then we can use the modern source to give Chavan's view. I do not understand last names much but isnt Chavan a Rajput name? Or is it a GSB name? The Chavan book seems to be like the one written by a caste member.LukeEmily (talk) 02:09, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@LukeEmilyChavan ?Me and @Jonathansammy are discussing about the Rosalind O'Hanlon paper.2010(Explains) about the movement of Maharashtra Brahmins Deshastha,Shenavi,Chitpavan and Karhade to Benares(Internal rivalry).2013 explains about the Sayhadrikhand(The information about this I found in Gaud saraswat page too)

If you want info about the book which you are requesting definitely I can dig it up.But I am unable to edit the Gaud Saraswat Brahmin page(Just I am exploring Wikipedia).So it may take bit time. Editor3131 (talk) 03:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I dont think internal rivalry was the only factor since Sitush has pointed out that there exist modern sources that do not group the Shenavis(Saraswats) along with Brahmins - for example they say "Brahmins Marathas and Saraswats" . They dont say "Brahmins marathas and Chitpavans". The Brahmins of Maharashtra(Karhade Deshastha and Chitpavan) have been consistent in denying the Brahmin clain of Shanavis and the Shankaracharyas in the west coast of India, who were the judges for a dispute, have also not supported the Shenavis. Secondly, the dispute about GSB did not end in Peshwa era. But we can discuss this on the GSB talk page not here. Please provide quotes on the GSB talk page so they can be incorporated in the page. I think you should be able to edit the talk page of GSB even if you are a new editorLukeEmily (talk) 04:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to review the content

Dear @Jonathansammy, In the talk page of Gaud Saraswat I have given the details about their Varna judgement completely with historical proofs from banarus Vedic scholars and Banaras Maharashtrian Brahmin leaders with analysis from popular sociologist. Sayadrikhand’s indepth analysis has been mentioned there Since the content and analysis solves maximum ambiguity in that page.I invite you to review the same. 2409:40F2:1037:B004:84C9:7F2C:7962:9ACE (talk) 13:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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Copy edit

Dear @Jonathansammy, You have separated my content from explanation by mentioning copy edit.I personally wrote that content by today morning by referring that research paper.There is no copy edit from any other source as I have rephrased the information without any plagiarism. 2409:40F2:1037:B004:84C9:7F2C:7962:9ACE (talk) 16:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Bahmani Sultanate

Hy,Please don't Relocate the Images in Gallery Category. Only the Inner Structure of them should be Put in Gallery DeepstoneV (talk) 09:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Given your experience with Wikipedia and understanding of academia, I'm emailing to ask whether you might be interested in getting involved as an editor for the WikiJournal of Humanities. It's modelled on the successful Wikipedia-integrated journals, the WikiJournal of Medicine, and the WikiJournal of Science. Our editorial board covers a range of fields and expertise, aiming to cover disciplines across the humanities, arts, and social sciences.

Our approach combines the rigour of academic peer review with the extensive reach of an encyclopedia. Consequently, it is an excellent way to achieve public engagement and outreach while impacting public understanding of complex scholarly topics. Articles undergo peer review and are subsequently published in both standard academic PDF format and directly onto Wikipedia, often getting over 100,000 views annually. This enhances the encyclopedia's scientific and factual accuracy and offers academics citable, indexed publications. Moreover, it enables significantly broader dissemination compared to traditional scholarly publishing methods.

The time commitment is flexible. An editor would generally dedicate 2-10 hours per month to a range of activities.

Please let me know if this aligns with your interests, or if you'd like to know more.

Your experience and expertise would be highly appreciated. Fransplace... Let's talk 23:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I have responded. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 20:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Amils

I see that you made some edits to Amils a while ago. Perhaps you could check on some recent edits by Hemantpnd (talk · contribs), who made a large addition with a misleading edit summary. I saw one paragraph that was clearly not encyclopedic, beginning with "My father", and it was tempting to revert the whole thing, but there is probably some valid content, and the article had been quite short before this. 183.89.250.246 (talk) 18:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@183.89.250.246 I think I should delete that part of my edit. Hemantpnd (talk) 09:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@183.89.250.246 I deleted that paragraph. Hemantpnd (talk) 09:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)