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re Alabama

I have no idea at the moment what Alabama's numbering, if any, is for lieutenant governors. I haven't put in any real work on that yet. --Golbez (talk) 17:14, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

@Golbez: I checked up on Ainsworth & haven't found him described anywhere's as the 31st lieutenant governor. Perhaps, we should remove the numbering from the Alabama lieutenant governors' bios & from the List of lieutenant governors of Alabama article. GoodDay (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's a style guideline for if there's no "official" numbering; it feels weird to have no numbering at all, we could just default to numbering every entry. --Golbez (talk) 20:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Should we default to the same system used for Alabama governors? Would that be original research to do so? GoodDay (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

RfC Query

I have to ask. Do you have an RfC sense or something? Like it was only a few hours ago that it was mentioned and wham, there you are ready to open one. I can't quite tell if you're just lurking on every talk page on enwiki just ready to pounce into RfC action! Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sideswipe9th: There appears to be a messed up situation going on over at that article. Is the same problem occurring in related articles? If so, 'tis best to get an RFC going at the proper WikiProject. GoodDay (talk) 03:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

This comment was in jest. Substitute RfC sense with Spidey Sense and the joke makes more sense! Will address the other issue on that article's talk page. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Holiday greetings (2021)

GoodDay,
I sincerely hope your holiday season goes well this year especially with what we went through last year. I'm optimistic that 2022 will be a better year for all of us: both in real life and on Wikipedia. Wishing you the best from, Interstellarity (talk) 18:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

The same to you, as well :) GoodDay (talk) 18:52, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Diefen

Hey, I'm sorry if your time is being consumed a lot by the edit war on John Diefenbaker, but I thought everyone agreed that we're stating that he was the only PC PM between 1935 and 1979, not the only party leader to lead the PCs to an election victory. Wehalt keeps reverting. Thoughts? Ak-eater06 (talk) 16:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Open up an RFC on the matter (at Diefenbaker's talkpage), if there's a stalemate. GoodDay (talk) 16:11, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't appreciate what (IMHO) is a growing ownership of that bio article, by another editor. I'm not interested in dealing with it, so I've pulled out of the RFC there. GoodDay (talk) 01:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Dief RFC conflict?

Hi, I'm wondering what happened to your comments on the Diefenbaker talk page RFC? Telling by your edit summaries it sounded like you were disappointed. Ak-eater06 (talk) 01:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm done with that RFC & the preceding RFC that had its tag twice prematurely deleted. It's not anything you've done, that's peeved me off. GoodDay (talk) 01:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

It's really hard to edit on that article. I believe Wehwalt reverted my edits 20 times and demanded me to get an RFC on every edit I did. Ak-eater06 (talk) 01:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I've no patience to deal with his growing ownership of that bio article. You may deal with it, as you please. GoodDay (talk) 01:55, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Been there, done that

Contacting you here @Lugnuts:, as you might delete my advice at your talkpage. When a growing number of editors tell you "stop doing that". It's best that you heed their demands. GoodDay (talk) 15:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Please - If you're retiring. Don't start up socks. GoodDay (talk) 16:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for this. [1] I don't know which way you hoped the RFC would close, but thank you for giving encouragement to the uninvolved volunteer who did their best. Jehochman ^Talk 18:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jehochman: I had hoped it would've been closed as a consensus for removing the source-in-question. But oh well, ain't gonna stress over it. PS- Hopefully, Icewhiz will get some professional help for his obsession with Wikipedia & move on with his life, but I doubt he ever will. IMHO, the lad needs mental therapy, without a doubt. GoodDay (talk) 18:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

I hope he gets whatever help he needs. His behavior is abnormal. Unfortunately, a lot of people are suffering through the pandemic. Happy and Safe holidays. Jehochman ^Talk 22:07, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy and safe holidays, too you as well. GoodDay (talk) 22:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding your question

That you asked at "Outsider's comment GoodDay". The short version is: Icewhiz has a holy cause, and obviously believes that the end justifies the means. To succeed in his holy cause he needs to silence those who disagree with him, and that includes me. And he discovered that harassment is a great tool at getting rid of inconvinient editors - he has done this before (User:Poeticbent is just one of several editors I am familiar with who retired after locking horns with him). As for how he can still hurt people? He is not alone in his holy cause and has fellow travelers, on and off-wikipedia. Plus a horde of socks, one of which almost became an admin few weeks ago (I kid you not). Email me if you want to discuss this further. I don't feel particularly safe discussing this on Wikipedia. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 20:41, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

@Piotrus: I don't have Wiki-email or any kinda email. But, hopefully the harassment will come to an end. As for the banned editor-in-question, there's no way he (or his continuing socks) will ever be able to intimidate me. The best he'll ever be able to do, is entertain me. GoodDay (talk) 00:08, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Hello GoodDay! Wishing you and yours a merry Christmas. May you get everything you wanted from Santa! Masterhatch (talk) 14:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks you @Masterhatch: & a Merry Christmas to you, as well :) GoodDay (talk) 14:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

You are beyond correct !

I stumbled on this edit made by you and whilst I may not adopt your philosophy, I agree with you in principle and believe all potential candidates must be SPI checked! I very very much agree with you. Celestina007 (talk) 20:38, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :) GoodDay (talk) 20:58, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year, GoodDay!

Happy New Year!

GoodDay,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Ravenswing 16:07, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Have a fantastic 2022 to you as well, Ravenswing. GoodDay (talk) 17:17, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Comments on where are we now, 31 December 2021

Hi, I moved sports fans comment to the comment section from where it had been placed in the section above. The dot was indicating a first level comment and it was directed at me. I apologise if this has caused confusion. Cinderella157 (talk) 05:47, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

No prob. GoodDay (talk) 05:47, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

‘Clerking’ actions on Arbitration pages

Hi GoodDay, can I please ask that you leave ‘clerking’ edits on Arbitration related pages (e.g. this one or this one) to the Arbitration Committee clerks (of which I am one, hence me dropping you this note), or the Arbitrators themselves? Thanks! firefly ( t · c ) 22:51, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Merely helping out @Firefly:, by removing un-necessary end lines & un-necessary white-spacing. Wouldn't mind being made a Arbcom clerk, by the way. GoodDay (talk) 22:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Psst: see the email address here Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Clerks#Appointments CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 22:56, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@CaptainEek: I've already got the skills for the role. Just need the title. Assuming there's no requirement for handing over personal information & no requirement for opening up an email? I'll happily take on the title. GoodDay (talk) 23:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Hmmm, well that could be an issue: clerking is a very email heavy position. You would be expected to regularly and timely reply and participate in clerk email list discussions. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 23:11, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm only interested in the light stuff: Reducing white-space & Removing end-lines. I've no Wiki-email & have no interest in having one. Would rather other clerks contacting me in the open. GoodDay (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Czech/Czechia

I just had the titles at Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team and Czech Republic women's national ice hockey team reverted. Not necessarily that I disagree, but I think you'll agree that it's not an uncontroversial move. 162 etc. (talk) 22:19, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

@162 etc.: Why would you revert them? The intros say "Czech..." & not "Czech Republic". GoodDay (talk) 22:23, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I should've changed the article titles & intros to "Czechia...", rather then "Czech". GoodDay (talk) 22:48, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

We have an editor on the loose

Need some input from other Canadian Wikipedians.

Please see the last four edits on Pierre Trudeau (go to its revision history). I am a bit concerned. Ak-eater06 (talk) 03:30, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Reverted the changes. Perhaps, he'll respect WP:BRD & bring his proposals to the bio article's talkpage. GoodDay (talk) 03:36, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

What exactly are you seeing in this diff that goes beyond copy-editing and reference reorganizing? Bold ain't exactly how I'd describe any of that. AngryHarpy‍^talk 06:23, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

You guys can figure it out. I'm in the middle of 're-adding' a missing acting governor to a list article. GoodDay (talk) 06:27, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Thoughts on this

There's an editor who is greatly expanding Ernest Manning. Two other Canadian Wikipedians agree with me that the editor plagirized most of the sources. Also there are some paragraphs that have absolutely no citations. I would like some input before I may have to revert these edits. Ak-eater06 (talk) 23:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ak-eater06: plagiarism is non-negotiable & must be deleted. As for citations? if none can be found, then paragraphs must be deleted. GoodDay (talk) 23:57, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Concerning civility on ANI

Too long; didn't read? That? GoodDay, that's pretty damn rude. What is your personal word limit for comments you're willing to read and respond to, as opposed to rudely blow off? Does this post of mine make the cut? Bishonen | tålk 08:42, 8 January 2022 (UTC).

@Bishonen: myself & EEng, rarely banter (or disagree) with each other. We've known each other long enough, not to take each other overly seriously. GoodDay (talk) 14:10, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Really? And yet EEng's post had substantial content, which deserved your attention. I suggest flipping-off responses intended to amuse (was it?) do better on user talkpages than noticeboards. Bishonen | tålk 15:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC).

I'm sure there's been more uncivil comments by others, at ANI. I highly doubt "TLDR" is a devastating response, let alone the most devastating. GoodDay (talk) 15:43, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

But to be clear, GD, I was serious about this idea of yours that people shouldn't use bullets (on talk pages -- in real life it's a different matter, of course). It's completely contrary to common usage, and in fact bullets (when someone starts a new idea not directly following the immediately prior post) really help one visualize the flow of discussion. So I ask you to stop swimming against the tide on this. EEng 20:02, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

On the topic of bullet-pointing. Ya'll can do your posts your away. I'm going to do my posts my way. GoodDay (talk) 20:06, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

That's great, but what I'm asking you to do is to also let others do it their way. EEng 20:53, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

They'll do it their way. -- GoodDay (talk) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

in friendship

January songs

in friendship

Happy new year! - Today I show yesterday's snow (if you click on "songs") and today's music in memory of Jerome Kohl, a friend - I hope that's not too long to read --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Why thank you & a Happy 2022 to you as well. GoodDay (talk) 19:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

The boss of the Libertarian pages

Very well, @Tartan357:. Have your own way. GoodDay (talk) 02:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I am puzzled by your desire to say something is true "as of 2022" with a reference from 2021. I'm not sure what you think "as of" means. This is contrary to WP:V. But, I know you have a history of original research. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 02:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Have it your way. There's no verification that the Libertarian Party status has remained the same, as of January 1, 2022. GoodDay (talk) 02:39, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Queen of Scotland

Alright, I get what the reason behind redirecting Queen of the United Kingdom to Monarchy of the United Kingdom would be. However, on what basis did you redirect Queen of Scotland to List of Scottish monarchs? I set it up exactly like Queen of England. Not to mention that there have been far more Scottish queens consort than queens regnant so it makes sense that the page covers them as well. Keivan.f^Talk 21:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I fixed it up further to direct it to the Scottish monarchy section in British monarchy article. Done the same for the other pre-1707 Queens. GoodDay (talk) 21:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I see. The issue was resolved with these two edits 1, 2. Thank you. Keivan.f^Talk 21:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@Keivan.f: I'm planning on redirecting Queen regnant of England, Queen regnant of Scotland & Queen regnant of the United Kingdom to the same article. There doesn't seem to be much resistance to it, in the discussion at WP:BROY. -- GoodDay (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I guess those ones are fine, since the word 'regnant' acts as a disambiguator on its own, just like Queen consort of England, Queen consort of Scotland & Queen consort of the United Kingdom. It's clear that the first ones are specifically referring to monarchs while the last three only cover consorts. The only ones that were debatable were Queen of England, Queen of Scotland & Queen of the United Kingdom, which you have already redirected to the corresponding articles or sections on their respective monarchies. Unfortunately everyone suddenly forgot about the discussion at WP:BROY, but I guess everything appears to be in order now. Keivan.f^Talk 21:38, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah. BTW, I re-directed King of the United Kingdom, King of England & King of Scotland to the British monarchy article, as well. GoodDay (talk) 21:40, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Perfect. I was going to suggest doing it because both Francis II of France and Lord Darnley were kings consort of Scotland and the previous redirect only covered ruling kings. I guess it's much better now. Keivan.f^Talk 21:47, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I've got King consort of Scotland redirected to List of Scottish consorts. Perhaps in future, an ambitious editor will request splitting from the Monarchy of the United Kingdom article & request creating the articles Monarchy of Scotland & Monarchy of England. After all, we already have Monarchy of Ireland. -- GoodDay (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I just realized that King of Great Britain, Queen of Great Britain, and Queen regnant of Great Britain need redirecting too. Would it be plausible to have them redirected to Monarchy of the United Kingdom#After the 1707 Acts of Union? Keivan.f^Talk 17:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@Keivan.f: yup, that's where they should re-direct to. GoodDay (talk) 20:04, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Heads of State opens the Summer and Winter Olympics

In the Olympic Charter, does Heads of State in the Opening Ceremony open the Winter Olympic Games and Summer Games of the Olympiad of the modern era in the host city after the message of welcome speech by President of the Host City Organizing Committee followed by the President of the International Olympic Committee to make an address to the athletes of the world? 72.69.243.12 (talk) 17:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@72.69.243.12: The host country's head of state or representative of the head of state, opens the Summer & Winter Games. GoodDay (talk) 20:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

2022 in Wales

There seems to be no mention of Wales in the source you have added. How is the general reader to understand the relevance of including the monarch of the United Kingdom? Deb (talk) 11:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Deb: Wales is a part of the United Kingdom, which means the British monarch reigns over Wales. Please stop with these little fights, particularly when it's looking like the RFC (5 exclude -vs- 1 include, so far) for all the constituent countries is going to be to exclude the monarch, after those places lost their independence. So be patient & wait for the RFC tag to expire (in 3 days), then I'll request closure at the board. If the ruling is (I believe it will be) to exclude? Then I'll begin the deletions on the post-1707 Year in England, the Year in Wales, the post-1707 Year in Scotland, the Year in Northern Ireland and the pre-1922 Year in Ireland articles. GoodDay (talk) 19:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

There is nothing in the source to say that Wales is part of the United Kingdom and nothing to explain why you have put the Queen in there as "Monarch" - you know very well that Wales doesn't have a monarch. You are the one carrying on the "little fights", insisting on inserting the monarch into a new article just to make your point, and removing "of the United Kingdom" from the Monarch link. I've been very disappointed by your mean-mindedness; until now I thought you were a nice guy. Deb (talk) 09:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

@Deb: I'll ask again. Wait until the related RFC has been closed. I know you're highly determined to have the English (1700-14) & British (1714-present) monarchs deleted from the "Year in Wales" articles. But until the current running RFC is closed & the decision is given? The previous (WP:WALES) RFC result still stands. GoodDay (talk) 09:08, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

@Deb: Certainly hope (after three RFCs) you're content, now. I sure am. GoodDay (talk) 21:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

ANI

Unless you want me to open a thread suggesting a page ban I strongly suggest you stop those pointless little asides to threads that draw attention to you and distract from the matter in hand. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:55, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Spartaz: I'm serious with my posts & I find you're being OTT with your reaction. But, since you have threatened me via promising to seek an ANI ban, should I comment 'there' again? Then I'll restrain myself from posting there, again. GoodDay (talk) 19:12, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@Spartaz: Am I allowed to 'cross-out' the supposed offending posts-in-question at ANI? GoodDay (talk) 19:27, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@EEng:, and you thought you were the only one, who gets growled at about ANI posts. GoodDay (talk)

What’s done is done but ANI is already a circus and doesn’t need any more encouragement. Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

If you had asked me to 'not' to make such posts at ANI, I might not be so peeved with you at the moment. But, your snapping at me, was quite uncalled for & unimpressive. GoodDay (talk) 21:30, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Now you know how annoying it is for others when your pointless posts get in the way. Spartaz ^Humbug! 14:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Now you know that you can't control your temper & conduct yourself more appropriately as an administrator. Next time, think about how you're going to post a threat to an editor, before doing so. GoodDay (talk) 15:22, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Suggested self-revert to Mike Pence

No one should be making edits they understand to depend on an open RFC. Just wait. There are pages with each; the relative pre-RFC frequency is under discussion and you've made it harder to determine. I won't revert because I don't want to get involved but I think self-revert is the right move. GordonGlottal (talk) 23:31, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Looks like a violation of the Consensus Required discretionary sanctions page restriction, GoodDay. Please self revert the removal pending the RfC outcome. SPECIFICO talk 23:39, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@SPECIFICO:Where was this consensus reached, concerning Mike Pence & not Donald Trump, or visa-versa. I don't care overall if we include or exclude the years. But both should be consistent. As long as "...(2021–present)" is left out of Trump's bio? then it should be left out of Pence's bio. GoodDay (talk) 23:42, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Be asured @GordonGlottal:, I will revert at Pence's page, if the propose change is adopted at Trump's page. GoodDay (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

You should read the page restriction at the top of the Pence talk page. I think you violated it by reinstating the edit after @MelanieN: reverted your change. SPECIFICO talk 01:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I only made one revert. GoodDay (talk) 01:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

PS - Why can't yas just allow both of them to be the same until a solution is found. For goodness sake. GoodDay (talk) 01:34, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Look, I don't particularly care about this matter but I did ask you to read the page restriction.The one you violated is not about the number of reverts -- it's "consensus required" that once an edit is reverted by anyone it is not to be re-added by anyone without consensus. You are active in the AP articles, so I would think you'd want to understand that sanction, which is one of two that are currently in use as page restrictions either standalone or in addition to 1RR. Please do self-revert now that it's been pointed out to you. SPECIFICO talk 03:12, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@SPECIFICO:, do you have the Pence page on your watchlist? GoodDay (talk) 03:14, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes I do, but that has nothing to do with this thread about the self revert request, and I'm not aware that it's common practice for editors to inquire about one another's watch lists. SPECIFICO talk 03:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Why then, are you continuing to ask me to self-revert? GoodDay (talk) 03:27, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

"2021 Prince Edward Island Liberal Party leadership election" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect 2021 Prince Edward Island Liberal Party leadership election and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 25#2021 Prince Edward Island Liberal Party leadership election until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you :) GoodDay (talk) 05:08, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Whitespace

You're killing my watchlist with these edits, and I can't actually see what it's achieving. There appears to be no difference in whitespace between e.g. this and this on a few different browser types I've tested it on. Where are you seeing this whitespace? Number 57 20:53, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

It's un-necessary whitespacing, even though it's not noticeable on the regular screen appearance. Recommend you temporary remove whatever elections/referendums you have on your watchlist. GoodDay (talk) 20:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

If it's not visible, then removing it is pointless. Spacing like that in article code is helpful for the readability of the code. I vaguely recall there have been some ANI discussions that have ended in agreement that editors should not make edits to articles that have no impact on the appearance of them (there was a well-known editor who was blocked for continuously making edits like this). You're not using a bot, but I think WP:COSMETICBOT applies given the final point there ("While this policy applies only to bots, human editors should also follow this guidance if making such changes in a bot-like manner"). Cheers, Number 57 21:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I've been dong these kinda deletions for years on all types of Year articles - referendums, elections, sports seasons, etc. Are you going to take that away from me? GoodDay (talk) 21:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Not sure how it is 'taking it away' from you – it's preventing you wasting your time. Number 57 21:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm a gnome & these are gnome type edits. But, if you're going to report me to wherever, if I don't stop? Then I will stop. However, I'll remember that it was you who took it from me. GoodDay (talk) 21:08, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Gnome edits are helpful improvements to articles; the edits you're making have zero impact for readers and just make the code less readable to editors; it's the complete opposite of being helpful. Number 57 21:11, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm currently doing monarchy referendum articles. When I've complete my deletions there. I'm stick to only deleting white-spaces in sports season articles. I'm assume you don't have the latter on your whatchlist. GoodDay (talk) 21:13, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

You shouldn't be doing it anywhere. Please just stop it. Number 57 21:14, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I've only a few more (12) to go. Then I'll stick to the sports season articles. GoodDay (talk) 21:15, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

There, I've completed the monarchy referendum articles. FWIW, over the the years (to my knowledge) not one of my deletions were reverted. Suffice it to say, I'm not overly happy that you're taking my broom away. Had some of those articles 'not' been on your watchlist? there'd be no complaints. GoodDay (talk) 21:26, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not 'taking your broom away'; you should not be making these edits. If you don't like it, you can propose the text at WP:COSMETICBOT is removed. Number 57 21:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I had hundreds of more election/referendum articles lined up, but now that that's taken away from me, I'll have to gnome in another area. I'm not going to bother with WP:COSMETICBOT, as I'm not using a Bot & I'm not interested in discussing the topic there. I'll gnome in some other area & hopefully, won't come across any complaints. GoodDay (talk) 21:34, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

If you're not interested in complying with a Wikipedia policy, it doesn't really bode well. And can you not see that what you are doing is not only a complete waste of time, but actually quite unhelpful to other editors? Are you not willing to consider this? Number 57 21:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

You're the only one (to my memory) to complain about my deleting 'white space' from referendum & election articles. As I already said, I'll gnome in some other areas. I rarely compromise, but rather go straight to surrender. GoodDay (talk) 21:42, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

GoodDay, you said you would stop, but then went on to make the exact same solely cosmetic (and unhelpful) edit at World Cup of Hockey.

Some of your other edits (e.g. [2], [3], [4]) also make the same intro whitespace change but are at least bundled with other, actually helpful edits. As such, I don't think these violate COSMETICBOT, but I join with those who are asking you to please stop removing that particular intro space. Firefangledfeathers 05:24, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers: The Canada Cup/World Cup of Hockey articles were my final ones (I think), as some already had 'no' white-space. FWIW: Canada Cup already doesn't have a 'white space' at the intro, as an example that many (if not most) articles don't have the white-space. PS - Would you all prefer that I begin adding white-space to intros, where there's none? GoodDay (talk) 05:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

FWIW: @Number 57: The majority of articles of all topics don't have the white space-in-question. So you're free to add them, since that's apparently preferred. GoodDay (talk) 23:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Attempt to WP:REFACTOR

This edit was an attempt to fix what I saw as a typo. Colons aren't used to insert blank lines, but they are used for indentation. If you want a blank line, just leave a blank line. More complicated ways are to write a <br>, or a {{od}} next time. They will leave a line break and blank line. Sorry for any distress. I wasn't trying to mess with your intent (which I misunderstood). That was not my intention. -- Valjean (talk) 06:32, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

In the past, I was told not to use blank lines, when my posts weren't a response to the preceding posts. Now I'm confused. GoodDay (talk) 06:39, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

If you weren't trying to leave a blank line, which is what you did, then what were you trying to do? -- Valjean (talk) 15:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I was advised to not leave a blank space, when posting after another editor at the same indention. But to put it in a spacer indent, so both posts wouldn't look as one. GoodDay (talk) 15:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I've never heard of a "spacer indent" or seen anyone use a colon in the way you did, and we've been here (with usernames) nearly the same length of time. I would leave a blank line unless bullets were being used (something about screen readers), and blank lines screw up increasing bulleted indentations. If I didn't leave a blank line, I'd start the line with a literal ping username. That visually differentiates it from the preceding line, as well as making sure there was no question about whom I am replying to (that was awkward, and probably wrong, grammar!). Just that visual break seems to help.

Regardless, I wasn't trying to mess with you, and I truly admire all the good work you do here. I was just trying to fix what looked like an accidental line break (a typo). I misunderstood your intent, and I apologize for that. -- Valjean (talk) 17:39, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not angry about it. No prob. GoodDay (talk) 18:01, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Racism

There's no such thing as racism we've all got hearts spirits and Souls the same God in the universe it doesn't matter what colour you are brown black green or white or yellow we have all got the same God it's not racism it's called bullying each other you don't bully each other that's not good to bully you need to stop acting like spoilt children in jesus' name we should love each other and help one another and give and take there's people in a worst situation then you in Jesus name 82.132.217.170 (talk) 15:53, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Good to know Jesus loves the greens. SPECIFICO talk 16:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

IP, I'm an atheist. More importantly, what the 'bleep' are you going on about? GoodDay (talk) 17:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

RfC

Thanks for your help with that. Lets see what happens. Feel free to "vote" or "comment" as well. I am hoping that we allow the spacing personally, it helps me a lot, and gives me a great way to go about my "gnome-like" editing day in and day out, while at the same time finding other typos and such as a I go. Also, question for you... How do you know (did you know) which "tags" with regards to the RfC to add this to in terms of relevance? It obviously seems like you know what you are doing, and knew which to choose, but I just want to know for the future. Thanks again on both counts. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 18:36, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

No prob. As for which areas to notify, I took a guess. The areas seem to cover what you're proposing. GoodDay (talk) 18:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Season records

Sorry about that. Just noticed your response to the season record edit. Won’t make this mistake again. 142.162.26.129 (talk) 04:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

No prob. GoodDay (talk) 04:59, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

O'

Hey, I saw your edit on Erin O'Toole. O'Toole was forced to resign as leader by the way. He resigned as leader and that triggered the interim leadership election. Ak-eater06 (talk) 06:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ak-eater06: He didn't resign. He was fired. It was the first enactment of the Reform Act in Canadian history, concerning firing a party leader. One can't give up a job, one already no longer has. GoodDay (talk) 07:42, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Thoughts on these titles? (https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/o-toole-resigns-as-conservative-leader-will-stay-on-as-mp-1.5764196 and https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1999007299671) Not that I disagree with you, but this really is a confusing situation. Ak-eater06 (talk) 07:25, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Bring it to WP:CANADA, because somehow the Act I mentioned seems to have no teeth, according to those sources. Why would one resign, if they've already been removed? GoodDay (talk) 07:27, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Oldest leaders

Biljana Plavšić is missing from your list. Born in 1930, was briefly part of Bosnia's collective presidency after independence. --Killuminator (talk) 16:03, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I see. GoodDay (talk) 19:25, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Leo Komarov

Thanks - feel free to report/notify them, I don't really have time I'm afraid this week as I have COVID so trying to take it easy. GiantSnowman 09:20, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, they certainly seen to be policing to enforce one side's view point - and it just so happens to be the same view shared with other editors who will likely soon be topic banned... GiantSnowman 20:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

As you know, I don't edit or revert non-ice hockey bios concerning the topic-in-question, for reasons already stated. But, I certainly am against agenda pushing (as is Wikipedia) & in this case blatant re-writing of history. Ironic really - Those who are pushing to deny that the Baltics were ever a part of the USSR, are actually behaving like the Soviets did in terms of controlling info. I didn't like what the Soviet Union did then & I certainly don't like what Russia's doing 'now'. GoodDay (talk) 20:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Soccer

It's never been an issue until this week... GiantSnowman 20:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I reckon, it's got something to do with the events in Ukraine. GoodDay (talk) 20:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I think you're not far wrong... GiantSnowman 22:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Louis Antoine, Duke of Angoulême

Go ahead and create a discussion on the article talk page to discuss the info boxes. Orson12345 (talk) 21:05, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I think the fellow you really should discuss the changes with (concerning Louis XIX & Henry V) is @Surtsicna:, tbh. GoodDay (talk) 21:07, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Discussing it with the other editor wouldn’t solve anything. Since you suggested to create a discussion on the talk page I think it would be best for you to create it. And it isn’t just about Henry and Louis it’s about all of the “disputed” monarchs there's a lot of contradictions some say the disputed title and simple state it’s disputed and others have legitimate pretender or claimant. I think we need to figure out which is better so there consistency. Orson12345 (talk) 21:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I've opened a discussion up at Louis' talkpage. I don't care which versions are used, as long as Louis' & Henry's infoboxes are consistent with each other. You both are on complete opposite sides of the issue. The compromise must be struck between the both of you. GoodDay (talk) 21:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Question

Why did you revert my edit from longest reigning monarchs sir? Jackal Himorse (talk) 02:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Because @Jackal Himorse:, we'd like to keep the mid-section a #1-85 ranking. If you're going to add in monarchs with a 'longer' reign? then delete monarchs at the bottom of that section, so that the list remains #1-85. Otherwise, the list will continue to expand without end. GoodDay (talk) 03:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay Jackal Himorse (talk) 07:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 2026 Winter Olympics medal table

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Villeneuve

Why am I reminding you of WP:STATUSQUO and worse yet, WP:OVERLINK? I have no problems if a new consensus is reached, which it seems there will be, but let's get to that point before the change. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: why do you (at times) gotta be so pig-headed. Canadian is neutral & factual. Leave it at that & stop always trying to have it your way. GoodDay (talk) 00:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

No timeline for a change. Do you disagree with WP:STATUSQUO while the discussion is happening or would you rather bleep your profanity and tell the rest of the project off in the process? Just as a reminder, let me quote it to you here:

If there is a dispute, editors should work towards consensus. Instead of engaging in an edit war, which is harmful, propose your reverted change on the article's talk page or pursue other dispute resolution alternatives. During a dispute discussion, until a consensus is established, you should not revert away from the status quo ante bellum (except in cases where contentious material should be immediately removed, such as biographies of living people, or material about living people in other articles). Instead, insert an appropriate tag indicating the text is under discussion. This process is meant for managing resolution of disputes while discussion is taking place. It is not appropriate to use reversion to control the content of an article through status quo stonewalling.

Said the kettle to the pot when speaking of having your way. Remember, my way is to have it read Canadian, but let us make certain that the consensus is clear and obvious so that when the Quebec nationalists come back in a few weeks, or months, or years to claim him as their own, we can point to that consensus. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Know what? Do whatever the 'bleep' you want. I'm not interested in any stupid edit wars, particularly if it looks like some kinda separatists politics is being pushed. Quebec is not a nation, it's a province. GoodDay (talk) 00:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

While I assume you had good faith in doing what you did, you lost my respect in the process. I do not care what you think it looks like, honour the process or leave the project. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I want nothing more to do with it. You're the boss there, so do it your way. GoodDay (talk) 00:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Sabbatino

Sabbatino accused me of being uncivil with him on my talk page. I only reverted those edits in the NHL teams like you did before, said that they are in the same franchise and that he didn't get it, don't bother reverting that change. BattleshipMan (talk) 22:22, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Myself & Sabbatino aren't exactly chummy with each other & haven't been for roughly a year, ever since our little dispute over the New York Islanders article. There are times, when he gets a little pushy, concerning NHL team articles. GoodDay (talk) 22:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

I see. Another thing, I think also we should bring back "Stanley Cup Champion" to the players who retired in their respective seasons since I noticed some of the later NHL seasons don't list that anymore, something I don't think Sabbatino will agree. Like in 2021-22 NHL season last games section: Ryan Getzlaf is a one-time Stanley Cup Champion, Tuukka Rask is a one-time Stanley Cup Champion and Dustin Brown, a two-time Stanley Cup Champion. I already set it up on this part of WP:ICEHOCKEY. What do you think? BattleshipMan (talk) 23:43, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

The Islanders issue was resolved long time ago. When Lamoriello took over certain information is omitted from the team's website. You should not accuse me of content ownership, because you just kept reverting without any explanation until I had to look it up in official game logs since you did not bother to do it. – Sabbatino (talk) 00:29, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Not interested in arguing with you. GoodDay (talk) 19:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Prods on redirects

Hi GoodDay -- WP:Proposed deletion is not permitted for redirects. I don't get involved with redirects very often, but I believe the only way of removing them is via the WP: Redirects for discussion process, but on the whole they are better left in place if they might be helpful to readers trying to find content, in this case elections that were postponed, presumably because of Covid. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 03:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict:, to say the instructions at WP:RFD are confusing, would be an understatement. I merely wanted those redirects deleted as neither party had their leadership elections in 2021. It wasn't due to the pandemic, as much lack of candidates. GoodDay (talk) 03:28, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

"2021 Prince Edward Island Liberal Party leadership election" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect 2021 Prince Edward Island Liberal Party leadership election and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 8#2021 Prince Edward Island Liberal Party leadership election until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 05:37, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Maple Leafs record

So we obviously start counting from the end of the 1967–68 season, so that's 1 season. Two years later at the end of 1969–70 we're at 3 seasons. 10 years later it goes to 13 seasons at the end of 1979–80. Go forward another 10 years to the end of 1989–90 it's now up to 23 seasons. Add another 10 years to the end of the 1999–2000 season and it's up to 33 seasons. Bring it forward to the end of the 2009–10 season and it's at 42 instead of 43 seasons because of the lockout. Then we add 10 more years at the end of the 2019–20 season and it's at 52 seasons. So then to finish we add the shortened 2020–21 season and the 2021–22 season and we get to 54 seasons and counting.

With the Rangers they won in 1939–40 and by the end of 1989–90 they were at 50 seasons without a title. They lose in 1990–91, 1991–92 and 1992–93 bringing their total to 53 seasons. Then as we both know they win in 1993–94.

So yes it is now true the Maple Leafs have the longest championship drought in league history. Deadman137 (talk) 12:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@Deadman137: Do what yas want. GoodDay (talk) 15:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Precious

Eight years!

Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:10, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

What's the anniversary? GoodDay (talk) 15:06, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

User talk:DeaconShotFire

You thought it not worthy of losing talk page access after they wrote, "Enjoy your fake power, degenerate?" --Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra:, What? GoodDay (talk) 14:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@Bishonen: not sure what your problem is. But, if that's your attitude? Don't post here, either. Get the HINT? GoodDay (talk) 20:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Deepfriedokra, you're a cool cat. But, perhaps in future, it's best not to contact me about anything to do with Bishonen. GoodDay (talk) 20:51, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Accusation of bludgeoning

In order to avoid taking the discussion at Talk:List of longest-reigning monarchs off track, I'm responding to your accusation that I'm "bludgeoning the discussion" here.

"To falsely accuse someone of bludgeoning is considered incivil, and should be avoided."

"Bludgeoning is when a user dominates the conversation in order to persuade others to their point of view.". You and I have responded to each other equally. I'm not going around responding to every different commenter, I responded to just yours, and then responded to your replies to me. You weren't required to continue responding to me, but chose to.

From the section on dealing with accusations of bludgeoning, it refers to four points:

1. Each time you use an argument, it becomes weaker. Continuing to argue the same point doesn't reinforce it and can be annoying to others.

You'll note I responded to you with different arguments or avenues, while you responded with the same point.

2. When you dominate a conversation by replying many times, others may see you as attempting to "own" an article or the subject at hand. This is a type of tendentious editing.

In no way have I been replying any more than you.

3. It is not your responsibility to point out every flaw in everyone's comments. If their opinion is so obviously flawed, give other readers the benefit of the doubt in figuring that out on their own.

I've not gone to point out every flaw in everyone's comments. I've approached you with different tactics, and only you, and only where you have indicated an interest in dicussion, by responding to me in discussion.

4. You have the right to give your opinion in any open discussion, so long as you aren't doing it in a way that limits others from doing the same.

I've expressed my opinions, as is my right, and not prevented anyone, or reasonably intimidated anyone.

You turned a simple discussion into an accusation, and in doing so, did not act with civility. Please refrain from such accusations, but I look forward to constructive discussions in the future. I admire your commitment to articles such as this one.

I would appreciate it if you'd retract your accusation, but I won't push or argue for that. You are free to make such accusations. El Dubs (talk) 02:20, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

@Supertrinko:I've made my comment as per required at the RFC & will remove the bludgeon accusation, if you stop pestering me at the RFC. GoodDay (talk) 02:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Already responded there stating I'm happy to end the discussion. Again, I'll reject the statement that I pestered you. I'm not going around seeking out all your comments responding to you. If you'd attempted not to respond, I would not have attempted to respond repeatedly. You respond to me as much as I respond to you. There's no pestering happening, only discussion, something you invited by repeatedly replying. El Dubs (talk) 02:35, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

I made a comment at a Request for comment, not a Request for discussion. GoodDay (talk) 02:46, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Succession boxes

I was extending the "oldest current head of state" boxes that already existed for Cuthbert Sebastian and earlier leaders. Don't know who created the first one. Goustien (talk) 00:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@Goustien:, best to delete all of them. GoodDay (talk) 00:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

OK, feel free, but I don't know another way to easily find this information. Lists of state leaders by age has some clues but is not the same. Goustien (talk) 00:37, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Kamala Harris

I suggest you revert your reversion of my edit; you are now in violation of the discretionary sanctions on that article. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 22:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

@Jpgordon: I suggest you observe WP:BRD & not try to force changes, without a consensus. GoodDay (talk) 22:49, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Happy summer/winter

		Sunshine!
		Hello GoodDay! Interstellarity (talk) has given you a bit of sunshine to brighten your day! Sunshine promotes WikiLove and hopefully it has made your day better. Spread the sunshine by adding {{subst:User:Meaghan/Sunshine}} to someone else's talk page, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. In addition, you can spread the sunshine to anyone who visits your userpage and/or talk page by adding {{User:Meaghan/Sunshine icon}}. Happy editing! Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Happy first day of summer (or winter) wherever you live. Interstellarity (talk) 22:08, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Interstellarity:, thanks & to you as well. GoodDay (talk) 22:15, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

List of longest-reigning monarchs

Just wanted you to know that the Queen of Jamaica has been unranked by some user. Peter Ormond 💬 10:00, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: got it. I suspect the fellow (Elfast) who boldly made the change, is going to be troublesome. GoodDay (talk) 00:34, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

You were right. Peter Ormond 💬 14:15, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: You're gonna have to revert him as well, unless you're agreeing with him. It can't be entirely my responsibility. Anyways, I'm kinda getting fed up with the 'lack of support' over at Platinum Jubilee of Elizabeth II. It truly annoys me, when any editor or editors try to pretend that the UK isn't 'special' among the other Commonwealth countries, via ignoring WP:WEIGHT. -- GoodDay (talk) 00:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I reverted another edit today before reading your comment. Also, I think you were waiting for THAT MOVE at Talk:Queen of Ghana for sometime. Peter Ormond 💬 08:16, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

You don't seem to read my edit. I haven't ever removed the entry for Jamaica, I'm just editing the number 14th for - (for unranked). Please report if you think it's necessary, but reading the history of the article, I'm not the only one who have done this edit and have been reverted by you, and other people notice the inconsistency in the discussion page. You don't think to consider the point (maybe you think I'm removing Jamaica) and I don't see any answer about this specific point (the number ! not the independant entry). (You seem very stubborn and you don't seem to consider the point. If you report other people will be able to read it). Elfast (talk) 09:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Again, as I'm really not sure you've understood what I'm editing : I'm not removing the independant Jamaican entry, but just the number (which is a compromise). You can't be second and 14th at the same time as a person. Elfast (talk) 10:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Elfast: if you want to make such a big change? go the RFC route. GoodDay (talk) 00:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

They are planning to ruin that page! :'( Peter Ormond 💬 16:04, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: If 'B' is chosen, I hope they'll adopt my version. List UK, Canada, Australia & New Zealand (current version), with an added footnote for the other 11 realms. GoodDay (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Premature closing of an RFC

Challenging a clusure --Pete (talk) 02:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Must you always be a pain in the 'bleep', at least once a year? Settle down & wait the RFC out. GoodDay (talk) 02:24, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Nothing personal. We discussed closure over the past two days, agreeing to leave it open one more day. There was no more input and the consensus was clear. Use the process if you want to challenge closure. --Pete (talk) 02:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I reckon you want to be the boss & you're not gonna stop, until one of us gets blocked for edit warring. @Peter Ormond:, it's your call. Too bad, that article's been made to look stupid. But, I've seen stranger results on this project. GoodDay (talk) 02:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

@Skyring: Though I must admit. Your version of Option B, is acceptable. GoodDay (talk) 02:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Wow!

Not that I disagree. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 07:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

When I get a hunch @Deepfriedokra:, it tends to be accurate. GoodDay (talk) 12:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I have my own idea of who this sounds like. I assume the Arbs have CU'd so maybe not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:25, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Either way, the lad's soon gonna end up blocked. GoodDay (talk) 14:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

How it is

@Thinker78:, I gave up on trying to bring NPoV to the Donald Trump page or discuss its lack of NPoV on its talkpage, months ago. GoodDay (talk) 23:46, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. Certainly the talk page has too many, too passionate, impatient and/or hostile responses to seemingly conservative ips, editors or otherwise, non-liberal posts that seem to favor Trump. I am no fan of Trump, but I am against undue censorship and biased or hostile gatekeeping. I do want to see more accommodation according to Wikipedia's guidance to seemingly conservative posts and critiques, because in Conservative media they consider Wikipedia a biased, liberal operation. Thinker78 (talk) 23:57, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Propose anything remotely positive for Trump, Bernie Sanders or any other high-profile Republican or progressive Democratic BLP? You'll be opposed. Bring anything remotely negative to Biden, Hillary Clinton or any other high-profile establishment Democratic BLP? You'll be opposed. GoodDay (talk) 00:02, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

References

Kedah?

Reading the archive here [the List of the Longest Reigning Monarchs] you claimed that "Thailand (then Siam), had 'unwanted' influence." On Kedah can you give a Source In Which it is said that Thailand/Siam had this on Kedah? Jackal Himorse (talk) 03:57, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@Jackal Himorse: another editor made that claim. GoodDay (talk) 03:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

And who was that Editor? GoodDay. Jackal Himorse (talk) 04:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

That's a while ago. I can't remember. GoodDay (talk) 04:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I am readding him to the Top List until Someone can Find a Realiable Source that states Thailand did that to Kedah Jackal Himorse (talk) 04:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I honestly don't know what you're going on about. Whatever it is, you don't need my permission. GoodDay (talk) 04:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Saskatchewan - deletion of type of government

Hi GoodDay, was there a discussion anywhere of this issue? I just see references to Nikkimaria's change to Manitoba, but I don't see where it's been discussed? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: By all means, open up an RFC at WP:CANADA's talkpage. I'm only concerned with all the provinces & territories being in sync on that topic. It doesn't matter to me if the two parameters are included or excluded. GoodDay (talk) 17:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Re your NB/PEI deletions/revert deletions: I do need time to feed the dog, and other IRL things.  :) Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Just keep an eye out for Niki at Manitoba. GoodDay (talk) 21:20, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Dang, that RFC has slowed down. GoodDay (talk) 03:25, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Possible sock

If you have not noticed yet, User:Tschrwh has taken up where User:Tscdrwh left off. - Donald Albury 17:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Donald Albury: I do believe that socking is involved. GoodDay (talk) 17:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction

The following sanction now applies to you:

Indefinite topic ban for the topic of Gender and Sexuality (WP:GENSEX)), broadly construed.

You have been sanctioned https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=1098437123&oldid=1098436366

This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality#Final decision and, if applicable, the procedure described at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.

You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:59, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Going to keep this notice in place, in case editors ping me to discussions I was active in & am no longer able to participate. GoodDay (talk) 23:43, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

You're not the first editor that had problems adapting to a topic ban in the first few days, so don't feel bad. That is why I offered my ear before you make any edit there is any question about. Again, my goal isn't to find a way to block you (I could have done that at the AE report, without question), it's to 1. restore calm on gensex topics, and 2. help you move on to constructive edits in other areas. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 10:56, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I'll be alright @Dennis Brown: & will remember to check with you (or if you're not on the 'pedia) other administrators, when I'm not certain about an article. But my goodness, some of those editors' posts at WP:AN? were very borderline aggressive. I reviewed some of their userpages, to see 'who' they were. GoodDay (talk) 13:13, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

PS - Some day all seek a restructuring or appeal of the t-ban. But for now, I'll keep rolling along. Albeit, more cautiously :) GoodDay (talk) 13:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

And I'm likely to support a lifting at that time. Technically, I can lift it without input from anyone else because I issued it as a DS sanction, although most of the time, community input is desirable. No other admin can lift it by themselves. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 13:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Dennis. For now, I'll consider the t-ban as a protective shield, as there's at least a few (see the comments by some at WP:AN?) editors out there that were quite aggressive. GoodDay (talk) 13:34, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

PS - I was quite surprised. That one of the commenting editors there (according to @Mr Ernie:'s observation), had apparently used the 'bad word' against an other editor, on multiple occasions in the past. But wasn't reprimanded (to my knowledge) for it. Oh well. GoodDay (talk) 13:56, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Consider this your only warning not to rebroadcast aspersions against other editors. SPECIFICO talk 14:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

They got an IBAN for it. Mr Ernie (talk) 14:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

This is false. Consider this your warning not to make false or unevidenced aspersions against other editors. SPECIFICO talk 18:51, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

@SPECIFICO:, please take this disagreement someplace else (your talkpage or Mr Ernie's) & don't contact me here again. GoodDay (talk) 19:23, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy ping for SPECIFICO. FYI, GoodDay, it's hard to fix a ping if you don't get the username right the first time. See H:PINGFIX for more info. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:27, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't know capitalising & uncapitalising would make a difference in pinging. GoodDay (talk) 19:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Identifying Admins

Hello! I noticed on WP:AN you were having trouble identifying who was an admin from their replies.

There's a very old user script you can add to your global script file which will highlight admins in bright blue. Just add importScript('User:Ais523/adminrights.js'); to that script file. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 17:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Phew! I thought you were an editor coming to drop a figurative nuclear bomb on me. My experiences were certainly 'unique', these last few days. But yup, I'll keep that in mind, how to identify who is & isn't an administrator. Thanks. GoodDay (talk) 17:35, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Behavior concern

I've encountered an editor making unexplained (and apparently false) changes[5][6] to the ordering of India's former presidents in their articles; I've reverted the linked edits. How should this be addressed behaviorally? CraigP459 (talk) 03:20, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

@CraigP459: report the editor, to the vandalism prevention page. GoodDay (talk) 03:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

well done

I think we disagree on content and I have enjoyed the process. well done, in real life we need people who disagree and can do so with grace. (Re.... [7]...) NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

For sure. GoodDay (talk) 00:52, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

A suggestion

You might want to remove this comment before someone replies to it on that talk page. That sort of battleground mentality is really not helpful in what you already know to be an already fraught topic area. Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:58, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@Sideswipe9th:, it's that kinda heavy restriction on those talkpages, that causes such friction. Anyways, if you want to 'remove' my post? then by all means, do so. GoodDay (talk) 23:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh my. Those restrictions are quite, quite necessary. If you want to see what unrestricted dialogue between pro and anti trans commentators looks like, Twitter and Reddit are both good places to start.

In any event, per WP:TPO it's not really appropriate for me to remove that comment directly, as it doesn't fit any of the criteria for removal by another. That's why I suggested it here. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

I wont't be responding to anybody, who responds to it. I haven't been overly involved with LGBTQ stuff, since earlier this year. When I got the impression that a user can use a gay-pride flag on his userpage, but can't use a straight-pride flag? That pretty much told me, what direction the majority of editors in the LGBTQ topic, were pointing. GoodDay (talk) 23:11, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

And tell us, GoodDay, how do you feel about displaying white power signs and flags? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Bastun: Flags/signs are only flags/signs & those who preach tolerance, tend to practice intolerance. GoodDay (talk) 14:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Uh-huh. And in your part of Canada, are many white people subject to discrimination by the people-of-colour community? Do many straight people get assaulted by the LGBT community, for being straight? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 19:42, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Those who preach tolerance, tend to practice intolerance. GoodDay (talk) 19:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

And those who preach intolerance tend to practice tolerance? (Sorry - couldn't help myself!)Sarah777 (talk) 19:52, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Haven't seen you in ages, Sarah777. Howdy. GoodDay (talk) 19:54, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Been busy with RL! Back to rating IrlProj articles now. Back in the salad days of 2006-2009 we weren't even aware of this issue! At least I wasn't Sarah777 (talk) 19:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I can't believe you just labeled "Twitter" as being unrestricted @Sideswipe9th Paolo Calucci (talk) 05:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has taken quite a left turn, since 2009. GoodDay (talk) 19:58, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

To me "left" was basically a wealth distribution concept. Seems indeed that things have changed! Sarah777 (talk) 21:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Political correctness, cancel culture, etc. The place has changed. GoodDay (talk) 22:01, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Surely that hasn't infected Wikipedia? I'd never believe that...Sarah777 (talk) 22:05, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

"Cancel culture"?! Call it by it's proper name! A longstanding tradition that means nothing more than "Your actions and words have consequences." And do I really need to get out my Neil Gaiman quote about political correctness? "It's treating other with people with respect gone mad!" Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:16, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Those who preach tolerance, tend to practice intolerance. GoodDay (talk) 22:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bastun! I guess you'd be the first to approve of the fact that "Your actions and words have consequences" in China and Russia too? Sarah777 (talk) 22:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Not sure of the point you're making, Sarah777, but in Ireland, the people complaining about so-called "cancel culture" (as opposed to, say, state censorship) tend to be the ones who have national newspaper columns and/or radio shows to do their complaining from. The David Quinns, Brenda Powers and Breda O'Briens of the media world. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Take a peek over at the Jordan Peterson page. Attempts are being made (and will likely succeed) to partial or totally remove (i.e. censure) the 'tweet', that he was blocked from Twitter for. That's just one example. Wouldn't be surprised, if the next step was an attempt to delete his entire page. GoodDay (talk) 13:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Why on earth would we amplify his tweet that deadnamed someone - in breach of at least two guidelines, at that? I don't think anyone is suggesting a page deletion, either - where's that happening, or are you just using a slippery slope argument? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 19:24, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I've no interest in joining the discussion at the Peterson page, as I already know what the outcome will be. I also know that any editor(s) who have an opposite position on that outcome, will be accused of being anti-trans, etc & eventually topic-banned or worst. GoodDay (talk) 20:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Huh. Oddly, even though I know you keep an eye on AN/I, and you're evidently an advocate of free speech, you never sprang to my defence when someone tried to get me [8] topic-banned from that very area... 🤔 I guess there's cancel culture, and cancel culture... 🙄 Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Quoting that tweet doesn't mean amplifying it, it just means quoting it as evidence and source for what you're arguing inside the page. You can find images from wars happening all over the globe on the internet even if they are gruesome, and it's important to have them because they tell the story for what it actually is. Why on earth would we delete it altogether, it's a quote, not a comment from the man himself. Paolo Calucci (talk) 05:25, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Well Bastun, it's like this. While I probably disagree with many/most "anti-woke" positions, I do believe that "cancel culture" is a real thing. When Corporate entities like Google, Twitter, Facebook etcetera, plus the Corporate media, start to censor opinions they don't like, that, de facto, is the same as what is happening in, say, China. Instead of the CCP dictating acceptable opinion, we have a branch of the Western oligarchy doing so. At the moment there appears to be a divide between two wings of that oligarchy, like Swift's big and small enders. Don't mistake that for any principled difference - or a difference between how the Chinese State or the Western State works. And as we are trading our free speech credentials, I have never once called, voted for or advocated the banning or blocking of anyone on Wikipedia. Sarah777 (talk) 23:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I dunno. I've tried reporting actual white-supremacist, racist and/or anti-LGBT posts on Twitter and Facebook, that are literally advocating violence, and been told "Nah, that's grand, within our terms of service." And I have also seen David Quinn, Breda O'Brien and similar rail against cancel culture - from their weekly, nationally syndicated newspaper columns and regular guest spots on TV/radio shows. If I choose to no longer buy the newspapers that platform their anti-LGBT views, sure, I guess you can call that cancel culture, but it's a stretch, and no, it's really nothing like the CCP not only denying someone a voice in state media but also putting them into a "re-education" camp. YMMV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I think you have a naïve view of how the Western Corporate media works - I tend to agree with Chomsky on the topic. And I think you understate the threat of "cancel culture" to free speech. Threats of violence are serious offences in most countries - "railing" against something isn't supposed to be - at least in the West. As someone who detests, for example, white supremacy or religious beliefs being imposed on non-believers (abortion is an example IMO) - I do worry that "liberals" are edging towards mirroring the authoritarianism they claim to oppose. Sarah777 (talk) 21:42, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

then your solution is that we should never ban people, even if they vandalise and say any kind of horrible things? Where should the limit be? Paolo Calucci (talk) 05:39, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Russia and China don't preach tolerance at all. Boycott and cancel culture come inherently from democratic countries Paolo Calucci (talk) 05:18, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Moreover, people who most strongly adverse "political correctness" tend, more often than not to sympathize for the government of countries like Russia and China Paolo Calucci (talk) 05:20, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

You ticked me off, years ago. I never forget being agitated by any editor, but I don't seek revenge. I merely withhold my support, when they get themselves in trouble. GoodDay (talk) 21:59, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Interesting juxtaposition... Those who preach tolerance, tend to practice intolerance... First they came for the socialists... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:21, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

You see things your way & I see things my way. GoodDay (talk) 22:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Bastun. Wikipedia is also pro-devolution (see discussions at WP:BOXING & Lennox Lewis, for examples), when it comes to British BLPs & pro-foreign language style (those old diacritics discussions of years gone by), when considering the name of many bios & places. Heck, on the latter part, just look at how you sign your name. In the American political pages, particularly high-profile BLPs, there's a pro-establishment Democratic bias. That's the way the winds are blowing (i.e. majority of editors) & have been, these last few years. GoodDay (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

How I sign my name? "Egads, Bastun" is - ironically - Ye Olde English, and I adopted it only after Sarah777 used the phrase when leaving me a message, many years ago! As for the rest, I think you and I may both be suffering from cognitive bias, at least in some respects. E.g., I gave up trying to edit the Donald Trump article late into his election campaign/early into his presidency, when if you tried to include anything critical, it got filibustered away for a month at least with an RfC. So as far as I am concerned, Wikipedia is "pro-establishment Republican." Anyway, your note on my talk page is noted, I'll move on! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

You ain't been the Trump page lately. GoodDay (talk) 15:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@Newimpartial: I have seen your 2022 contributions. Again, consider my friendly suggestion, going forward. GoodDay (talk) 20:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Masterhatch: as you can see, my prediction about the Peterson page, is coming to pass. I've noticed over the months, that the ratio of editors getting the DS warning on said-general topic, tends to be mostly tilted towards one side. GoodDay (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

That's quite the strong aspersion to be casting. Have you got any evidence to support it? Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm currently considering starting a discussion over there, on 'how' a certain MoS is being used. At the moment, I haven't decided yet, as I know the perils involved, if I were to do so. That hesitation, is an example of the chilling effect one gets, from the MoS-in-question. GoodDay (talk) 18:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

That's a non-sequitur and didn't really answer the question on evidence to support the ratio of editors getting the DS warning on said-general topic. Even if you're referring to folks receiving the ds/alert for WP:ARBATC, or you're referring to editors receiving the WP:GENSEX and/or WP:ARBBLP sanctions, that seems very out of scope for a discussion at one of the MOS talk pages and would probably best be held at WP:ARCA or WP:ARC. Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:39, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't deny the perils involved, with the topic-in-general. As I already mentioned, it's on my mind for the time being. FWIW, (a slightly different topic, but related) an editor (not you) seems to be involved in multiple concurrent pages & page discussions related to said-topic. Where ever such a discussion is occurring, that editor is there. If the individual-in-question, has hundreds of those pages (bio & non-bios) on a watchlist? That's not good & could be in own territory. But, I'll let someone else worry or deal with that. GoodDay (talk) 18:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Without knowing the specifics of that editor's situation or how they are contributing to those articles, I can only say that editing along one's interests regardless of how broad or narrow they may be, isn't inherently a problem. Again though you're casting unsupported aspersions about an anonymous editor, which is never a good thing to do on wiki. If you have a concern about an editor's conduct, you already are quite familiar with the appropriate noticeboards upon which to raise it. Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't report editors to any boards, as long as they're not edit-warring. GoodDay (talk) 18:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Sideswipe9th. I'm going to have to ask you 'not' to contact me, anymore. GoodDay (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

FYI

[9]--RegentsPark (comment) 23:00, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, the 45th U.S. president is a unique one. GoodDay (talk) 23:01, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

About the numbering

No need to thank me i am glad i could help

Friendlyhistorian (talk) 16:21, 26 July 2022 (UTC)