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June 30

June 30, 2010 (2010-06-30) (Wednesday)

News

Politics and Elections

Science

Sports

ITN candidates for June 30

2010 Oaxaca earthquake

A 6.2 magnitude earthquake hits Oaxaca. - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 09:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If there has been no damage and no injuries, they it is probably even not necessary to have an article, a mention in List of 2010 earthquakes would do... --Tone 12:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and don't be surprised if that article ends up at AfD sooner or later. Courcelles (talk) 12:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

German presidential election, 2010

Indirect elections to replace Horst Köhler who resigned in May - Dumelow (talk) 15:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When it is updated to reflect first round of voting. (how come the DAX has not responded negatively?)Lihaas (talk) 15:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for the second round, as usual. Off topic, why would the DAX care? Modest Genius talk 15:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
AP The second round failed to provide the necessary majority for Christian Wulff so it has gone to a, and final, third round (where a plurality is sufficient for election). It would be nice for the article to detail these events before posting - Dumelow (talk) 16:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Are all the rounds on the same day?
As an aside, generally market sentiment is not going to like instability and several global media outlets are speculating about the stability Merkel's government after this. (should put this analysis in the article too)Lihaas (talk) 16:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Christian Wulff has been elected. As soon as the election article is updated, this is ready to post. --Tone 19:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The results appear to have been added to the article, but there's no prose. I've uploaded and protected an image that can go up when the article does. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:33, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Probably a better image is on Commons [1]. --91.32.96.93 (talk) 19:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Feel free to choose a photo. --Tone 20:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agricultural Bank of China IPO

(BBC). This bank's initial public offering begins today and will become the world's largest with the 14% stake up for sale being worth £15.3bn ($23 bn). The article says the final share price will be fixed on 7 July so it might be worth waiting until then. I am putting it up here for comment first - Dumelow (talk) 09:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When the details are fixed we can discuss this for ITN (or discuss improvement on its talk page)Lihaas (talk) 15:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 29

June 29, 2010 (2010-06-29) (Tuesday)

Current events

Science

Politics and elections

ITN candidates for June 29

Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir marriage

A world first for national leaders? --candle•wicke 22:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support: If it is truly a world first. What to link to? Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir, there we go! And it seems her bio is up to date. --220.101 (talk) \Contribs 06:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support if its a world first - which seems likely. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support First LGBT country leader to marry in office. Significant milestone in the history of LGBT culture. __meco (talk) 09:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. Private matter for the people concerned, with no wider implications. Negligeable coverage in other media. We should have an embargo on same-sex marriage stories until they are made legal in the Vatican City State. Physchim62 (talk) 10:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well it is a marriage of a head of state while in office. The same-sex element just makes it more unique, but I don't think we really have a clear consensus yet on royal/political weddings. Regardless, the article needs more work if it's to go up. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Or, how about waiting until the Sovereign of Vatican City gets married, then we put up another marriage? Unlike HRH Victoria's a few weeks ago, this is a mere head of government, and not a new "marriage", merely a transformation of terms as the law changed. Put me down as an oppose, I guess. Courcelles (talk) 12:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Same-sex marriage is not legal in Iceland. What are the details on this? Needs more of the controversy to be worthy of this. Marriages of heads of state (non-royal) are not usually ITN-worthy.Lihaas (talk) 15:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Same-sex marriage in Iceland was legalized last Sunday Monday [2], and Jóhanna took the opportunity to convert her pre-existing civil union into a marriage [3]. I agree that marriages of heads of government are not usually ITN-worthy: I'll check for precedents. Physchim62 (talk) 15:18, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We didn't run the Nicolas Sarkozy – Carla Bruni marriage, that is the marriage of a serving Head of State resulting from a relationship started after he was elected. Why should we run the marriage of two people who have long been known as a couple just because one of them is a head of government. Wouldn't that by LGBT-bias? Physchim62 (talk) 16:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Her becoming PM was the notable milestone, this next step is just a rather logical consequence for someone who was already in a civil union before gay marrigae was legalised. I might support it if the blurb makes it clear that the actual legislation legalising gay marriage was passed under her premiership (iirc we didn't post that? could be wrong) - that is the more general story here, and someone provides some evidence than anyone internationaly has given this significant coverage. It isn't even on the BBC World front right now. MickMacNee (talk) 16:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise support with caveat that iceland legalized same-sex marriage. (this wasnt posted, its the bigger story)
Perhaps "Same-sex marriage is legalized in Iceland making it the 9th country to do so" (the addition of the PM is more WP:Trivia than anything.Lihaas (talk) 17:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
After reading the discussion, I lean towards oppose. We pointed her orientation when she became the PM (World's first). As Iceland has legalized same-sex marriages, she can get married, the same as everyone else. Posting the fact that Iceland legalized same-sex marriages is not ITN material IMO, since we've reached a consensus that this is not something very special in the Western world anymore. --Tone 17:33, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Tone and Physchim. It's not really that important. SpencerT♦Nominate! 18:41, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We posted it before. I forget which country (portugal?)
Not so with the west, would be a big deal if the usa does it nationally though. im mean, A law like that in the south...? ;)Lihaas (talk) 23:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

President of Hungary

  • Pál Schmitt is elected President of Hungary. President is the head of state, though in Hungary the position is elected by the parliament. But, Schmitt is also two time gold Olympic medallist! (the article needs some update, though). --Tone 20:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Tentative support I'm having a crack at updating the article now. This is a new Head of State - but does the fact that the position is largely ceremonial affect our judgement here? --Mkativerata (talk) 20:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We usually post any change of Head of State, if the article is updated. It's something of an ITN tradition! Physchim62 (talk) 00:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to post. Suggestion for the blurb or should I just go with Pál Schmitt is elected President of Hungary? --Tone 08:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How about "Former Olympic champion..." to give it some flavour? --Mkativerata (talk) 08:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I posted on the errors in the news page, but the link to the election is not there. it ought to have been there.::We usually only put thsi up after taking office (heard that arguement used here before). What happened? He becomes pres in August.Lihaas (talk) 15:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, we usually post once the result of the election has become clear thorough official sources or multiple other reliable sources. We make a slight exception for prime ministers in Westminster system countries, who are not described as PM until they have been duely appointed, but this is not a big practical difference. Westminster system countries appoint a new prime minister very quickly after the election, other non-presidential systems wait for approval from some other body (as do many presidential systems, including the U.S.); with elections under the Westminster system, we have to change the blurb while it still appears on the Main Page, with other systems we just announce the result of the election and any subsequent change of government. Physchim62 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, but as an aside i've done a bigger update of the election page so that can go up on ITN.Lihaas (talk) 16:50, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maldivian cabinet resignations

Well this is certainly big news (and a first anywhere i might think). If there is such an article with expanded details i think it would warrant an ITN placement. Perhaps on the last elections page? (as an "Aftermath" subsection or something of the sort) Or Politics of MaldivesLihaas <talk> 19:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, in principle. Has the PM resigned as well? In such case, his article could be the focus one. --Tone 20:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --candle•wicke 22:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. No PM, the Maldives have a presidential system, and the President has not resigned. Politics of the Maldives seems to be the article to focus on for the moment. Physchim62 (talk) 00:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I see. There need to be some update to the article and then we can go with: The cabinet of Maldives resigns, leaving the president to do (...?). --Tone 08:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Romanian floods

- At least 16 deaths - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 11:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now 19 fatalities - [4] - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 16:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would probably support this if the article was brought up to a decent length - Dumelow (talk) 18:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Update - 21 deaths - I complete with some info. - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support this seems significant and the article's in decent shape. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. (too many floods this month, but we can't help here...) --Tone 20:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: References need improvement. I'd prefer more and there are also unreferenced quotes in the article. SpencerT♦Nominate! 21:41, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Don't forget to consider the Chinese landslide (107 trapped) as well, but this is also a significant flood. 2010 could become the year of floods, earthquakes, and oil. ~AH1(TCU) 22:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. --candle•wicke 22:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can anybody help, refs was resolved...ready for post? - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 20:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I hate to be a pain, but I'd like to see publication (like BBC News or The Guardian or The New York Times) and access dates at least, then I'll be happy to post. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
+BBC, resolved [5] - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 20:33, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All the references are now properly formatted. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:41, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ECFA is signed between China and Taiwan

Economic Cooperation Framework Agreement Landmark free trade deal by China (PRC) and Taiwan (ROC) will be signed today. This is a very significant deal with major implications. Many news reports [6] [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.23.252 (talk) 01:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, top story on the Economist. Colipon+(Talk) 02:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article looks good, support. --Tone 09:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. Agreement with far-reaching implications for the relations of both countries with the rest of the world. I'd like to see some mention in the article of the recent protests in Taiwan: I'll add a sentence or two myself later, if no one else gets there first. Physchim62 (talk) 09:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, nightmare WikiPolitical sensitivities to watch out for, but I'll give it a go:

Thanks, posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged Russian spies arrested

I'm not quite sure what to make of it, but this is the top story on the BBC's front page, "world", "Americas" and "Europe" pages, suggesting it has some significance. BBC News. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated the roundup, with an article largely based on reporting in The New York Times. This is my first ITN nomination, so please be gentle if I've missed any protocol. I will review the BBC article for additional material. Alansohn (talk) 01:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean there is an article? If so, could you link it. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I had posted Illegals Program above, but it seems to have been moved. Alansohn (talk) 01:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It was already listed on the 28th, and I readded it below. Alansohn (talk) 01:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see what you mean now- you added it to the current events portal, which is transcluded below, but is actually a different page. That explains the confusion, sorry! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From a quick glance, the article appears to be just about sufficient for ITN standards. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:55, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is an arrest, not a conviction. The presence of the words "alleged" and "arrested" are worrying. I think the convictions are usually posted if significant enough though (sounds like they would be in this case). --candle•wicke 02:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The arrests themselves aren't the story, more the spying and the potential impact on US-Russia relations. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
oppose Crystal Ball to speculate now. Let's see the reactions from both sides (although al jazeera made comparisons between obama's june meeting with medvedev and "reset" and this coming now). No convictions even, if and when that happens it may mean something.Lihaas (talk) 12:16, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 28

June 28, 2010 (2010-06-28) (Monday)

ITN candidates for June 28

Mexican gubernatorial (governor) candidate assassinated

Rodolfo Torre Cantu, the leading candidate for governor of a Mexican state, was assassinated today. This is the biggest assassination in Mexico in 16 years. The story is getting some play in U.S. news sources. However, the lack of an article on Torre might indicate a lack of interest in him among English Wikipedia readers. Even the Spanish Wikipedia article has barely been updated since the news broke (it still talks about him in the present tense).

What do people think about this? I think it's certainly newsworthy and important. I don't know how much longer I'm going to stay awake (I'm quite exhausted right now), but at the least I can translate the (mediocre) Spanish article for the English Wikipedia. We could then expand the section on his death. On the other hand, if the content isn't great, and it's not likely to be improved by the community, it might not be the best thing to feature on ITN. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Especially if it is the biggest in 16 years. --candle•wicke 00:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
An interesting one. On one hand, he was only a candidate and it's not like he was a presidential candidate and gang violence is sadly far from uncommon in Mexico, however this is obviously more significant than most of the other violence of the last few months, so I'm not sure one way or the other. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
however i do not see an article yet. the entire article would be mainly prose with little chance of getting updated once its up. support but im afraid article wont be that great unless someone can translate it over. -- Ashish-g55 01:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Spanish article looks like nothing more than a candidate website bio, as is typical for many politicians. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article exists as Rodolfo Torre Cantú. ----moreno oso (talk) 09:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It possibly ties into Jesús Manuel Lara Rodríguez. It has been suggested in one of the CCN articles to Lara and by Univision that with two weeks to go to the elections, the Mexican Drug War cartels are sending a message to Felipe Calderon. ----moreno oso (talk) 09:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - This is getting lots of airtime on Univision as indicated. Basically before this, the cartels had stuck to local politicians and police chiefs = all the while, wiping out wholesale police forces. It's thought now by bumping off PRI candidates, the elections will be halted or thrown into disarray as the established candidates now have an edge over replacements. ----moreno oso (talk) 09:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article seems long enough. --candle•wicke 22:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I didn't have a chance to translate it myself. I hit the sack early these days. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

McDonald v. Chicago

Should we make a mention on this recent Supreme Court decision?[8] Truthsort (talk) 21:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support I was going to propose this myself, but didn't because I felt there'd be objections to having two American items on top. DC v. Heller, the precedent for McDonald, was posted back in June 2008. When I was looking around for int'l coverage of Byrd's death, this story was tops on the BBC homepage. ~DC Let's Vent 21:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose local news only really of interest to people who live in Chicago - a basic repeat of the supreme courts earlier ruling on Washington DC's gun laws (source). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, minor domestic ruling with little international interest. Plus, remember the contents of the BBC News front page change depending on where you are viewing it from. Modest Genius talk 21:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is not just a Chicago issue -- it applies nationwide to other places with laws against handguns, such as New York City. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. Very minor domestic politics. I hate to bring the US bias thing up, but if this had been in the UK or Canada for example (both of whom I believe have much stricter restrictions on firearms), it would be completely shot down. Even in the US, though, the only people this really affects are criminals and the NRA nutters and even then, only in one city. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. This does seem like a bit of a domestic issue to me, and the ruling doesn't seem to go beyond the previous DC case (so it's not really earth-shattering new law). On the other hand, we do have lots of readers who are obsessed with guns and explosives and stuff like that, and even more readers who roll their eyes at any mention of U.S. "gun laws", so it might get some interest. Physchim62 (talk) 23:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There seems to be some misunderstanding about what exactly this case does. In an earlier decision, the court struck down the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, saying that the district, as part of the federal government, cannot ban them outright. However, not all limitations on the federal government also apply to state governments (from the federal perspective, cities are considered part of state governments). In this case, the court expanded its precedent to cover state and local governments. The limitation now applies everywhere in the U.S. Chicago happened to be the defendant in this case, but once the Supreme Court applies such a limitation to one state or local government, it automatically covers all other state and local governments with similar laws. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As something of an opinion of order (if such a thing exists), I don't think we should be basing decisions of what should be posted based on whether they are of interest to a certain fraction of our readership. Such a system would result in a continuous stream of 'news' on (primarily American) celebrities, sport and 'entertainment' items, and reinforce systemic bias. Our criteria include 'significance', not interest to some fraction of our readership. Modest Genius talk 00:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Typical systemic bias. Colipon+(Talk) 02:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese landslide

- 100 people trapped - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 17:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral, it depends how it works out and while it is a lot of people the rainstorms have already appeared on ITN this month. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an article? It's hard to evaluate an ITN nomination without an article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Rain is hampering rescue efforts, one body has been found, and the remaining 106 people trapped are feared dead. I have added a paragraph to 2010 South China floods#Guizhou Province. Expand or split into a separate article if necessary. ~AH1(TCU) 22:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Switching to Support if that's the case, and AstroHurricane has put in a lot of work into that article :). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Enough people. --candle•wicke 22:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm going to have to work on that article more later, it looks like 2010 will be a hectic year for all sorts of natural (?) disasters. ~AH1(TCU) 23:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I've updated the article, but could not find enough information yet to spilt into a new page. So far, there are 10 dead, 89 missing and feared dead, 8 found alive but never buried, and 1,000 evacuated. For a blurb, how about "A landslide is triggered by flooding in Guizhou Province, China, trapping 99 people while forcing the evacuation of 1,000 others, and at least 10 bodies have been found". ~AH1(TCU) 20:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kyrgyzstan approves new constitution

-http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/06/27/kyrgyzstan.constitution/index.html?hpt=T2&fbid=Sek5GGjLan6 Kubek15 write/sign 11:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, please vote... Kubek15 write/sign 15:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Voting - Support - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 17:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
wait until the results are out. Right now i've updated only what little the news is reporting (no exact numbers, etc)(btw- the link to the referendum page is in yesterday nominations) Lihaas (talk) 19:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, but wait until the official results. Is there an article which has been updated? Modest Genius talk 21:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A new constitution is much rarer than a new prime minister of president. --candle•wicke 22:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We still need some content before we can post that... it would be a pity not to post because it is a big story. --Tone 09:03, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There. Now, quickly! ;) A new constitution is too important. Suggest: Kyrgyzstan approves a new constitution. or whatever is best. --candle•wicke 23:41, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give me a slightly more detailed blurb? I'm all for being concise, but 5 words is a little curt. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting, slightly modified. --Tone 09:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Robert Byrd

-Nom - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 09:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He died while he was third in the line of succession to the Presidency. That seems fairly notable. --Smashvilletalk 14:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why? We don't usually post the deaths of serving Vice-Presidents (although we might make an exception from time to time), let alone thirds-in-line. Physchim62 (talk) 14:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We shouldn't consider all VPs equal, same with those third in line. ~DC Let's Vent 14:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well the Unites States senators can hardly have considered the position of third-in-line to the Presidency to be that transcendential, otherwise they wouldn't have elected a 92-year old to the post! Physchim62 (talk) 14:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose since he died at age of 92. we really have to stop posting deaths at that age unless extremely notable. Way too many deaths getting posted. the top ITN item is already a death of politician. -- Ashish-g55 14:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why does age matter when they are still in office? --Smashvilletalk 15:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It shouldn't. It only needs to meet one of the three death criteria, and seeing that he was in high office (as President Pro Tem of the Senate), it easily meets criteria 1.
As an aside, it still lacks much of an update. I'll try and work on it, but for now I'd say it isn't substantial enough. ~DC Let's Vent 14:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The US isn't your average country. Half our readers are from the US. Plus it's the world's largest economy, only superpower, etc. ~DC Let's Vent 15:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That does not convince me. And I don't want to start another pro/anti US bias debate as those can get pretty nasty. Demonstrating that Byrd received a similar amount of news coverage in non-US media as Kennedy did would convince me, though. --Tone 15:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, what you have just demonstrated is that US is notable ;-) And surely noone objects that. --Tone 16:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. His death is on the frontpage of bbc.co.uk (I realize it's the international version, not the British one, but it still show's it's importance). Also on the frontpage of ABC News (the Aussie one), Toronto G&M, The Guardian. ~DC Let's Vent 16:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, on the front page of the German, Spanish, Dutch, Norwegian, and Finnish wikis (all under the heading recent deaths, I assume). Sort of reminds me of when we we're amongst the last to post Kennedy's death. ~DC Let's Vent 16:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wikis do not count. But let's say you convinced me. Always good to do some research on the international scale. Changing to neutral. --Tone 17:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I would support an item about the death of the longest-serving member of another nation's legislature, assuming that an appropriate article update occurred. —David Levy 17:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support He served longer than any other member of Congress, as the chair of the Appropriations Committee he was the "King of Pork", he was part of the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act, he is responsible for the Byrd Rule, he was Majority Leader of the Senate for 12 years, he wrote a multi-volume history of the Senate. Is that enough? -Rrius (talk) 15:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, he was also a member of the Gang of 14, and although his membership in the KKK helped propel him into politics, he enthusiastically endorsed Barack Obama near the end of his career. -Rrius (talk) 16:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I'm sure if this was the death of the longest-serving parliamentarian in history, there'd be waves of support coming in. Same rationale applies here. Just about any other senator I wouldn't considering putting on here; even Ted Kennedy I was unsure of. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The man was the longest serving member of the United States legislature ever, his death is certainly notable to the English version of Wikipedia. The death itself is not what's at issue here; it is his life and record of service which is the main cause of his candidacy for ITN. [[Cwill151 (talk) 16:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)]][reply]
  • Strong Support--Istcol (talk) 16:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Query This discussion has been going on for 7 hours and there appears to be consensus in favour of posting. At what point do we close and add? -Rrius (talk) 17:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A sufficient article update has yet to occur. —David Levy 17:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A sufficient article update has yet to occur. —David Levy 17:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with David. We need more on things like reaction to the death. The material shouldn't be difficult to come by, so it's not asking a lot. I'll post this as soon as the update is sufficient. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's not clear what you are talking about. A quote from the Harry Reid and fellow W.VA senator Rockefellar? -Rrius (talk) 17:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whenever someone extremely notable dies, lots of another notable people come out and pay tribute to them, so a few quotes from other well-known US politicians and other non-US notable people would be good. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added Obama, Biden, and Rockefeller. Is that enough for now? -Rrius (talk) 18:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That'll do- if you can find quotes from former POTUSs and possibly international politicians, hat would be ideal, but it's sufficient now imho. Thus, posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this update satisfies our criteria. —David Levy 18:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Belated and almost certainly futile oppose. Simply not a globally notable person, does not meet the death criteria in my opinion. Modest Genius talk 21:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Oppose though I suspect it will have no effect and I sense a further problem. Byrd's importance here seems to be argued on the basis of him being the longest serving politician, being the third highest ranking after the president and vice-president, and so on. Daniel Inouye has apparently been named as his successor. He is 85 years old (and good for him). But he might live for many years, he might not. If he does not, will there be a nomination for him as well based upon all the achievements in the opening paragraph of his article? And then who succeeds him? I see no reason for the third most important person in any country to be on ITN and don't know where this is going to lead in terms of nominations. Apart from that, the ITN section is the first and only place I have read of or even casually noticed this man's death today. I thought maybe I had missed it or had not been paying attention. I have just checked the BBC for example (after knowing that the man was dead and expecting to find him there) - there are at least two United States items on the Front Page and no mention of Byrd - one of them is even the latest supreme court nomination. Aljazeera has nothing, not even in the "Americas" section. CBC News - nothing in the "home", "world" or "politics" sections. Just three sites from different parts of the world that I've checked right now. While I recognise that Byrd is very important to the United States I am not convinced about his international importance at all. --candle•wicke 22:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It was on the BBC earlier. ~DC Let's Vent 22:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Candlewicke. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Torn. On one hand, he was the longest-serving member of Congress. On the other hand, we want to limit deaths on ITN lest it become an obituary service, and Byrd was not nearly the kind of national figure that Ted Kennedy was. But then again, he certainly was a big deal to the people of West Virginia, and I'm sure we have a lot of readers from there. But then again, WV has fewer than 2 million people... and so on. I could go either way on this one. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning support. I am generally quite sensitive towards U.S. systemic bias for ITN, and have made numerous stands against it, but this time I have to say that there is no way Algirdas Brazauskas is more notable (or even comes close) when compared to Robert Byrd. Both men died of natural causes. Thus my proposition is that we take off Brazauskas, so we don't make Wikipedia look like a funeral centre for old politicians. As for international media attention, Byrd trumps Brazauskas by far. It's like having the elections of Nauru and Australia next to each other on ITN, let's use some common sense. Colipon+(Talk) 22:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Brazauskas was President from 1993 to 1998 and Prime Minister from 2001 to 2006. He was also his country's first President. He held the two highest political posts in his country for at least 10 years with several years off in between and was still influential at his death. That does not suggest someone who is less notable. What more could Brazauskas do? He certainly wasn't an average leader. --candle•wicke 23:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think comparisons with Brazukas aren't helpful. I believe his death should be on ITN, but comparing his notability with Byrd's is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. While Byrd wasn't well known outside the US, Brazukas was hardly well known in the Anglosphere, but Byrd was influential in American politics up until his death as Brazukas was in Lithuanian politics and I daresay most English Wikipedia readers have a better knowledge of American politics than Lithuaninan. FWIW, I have no conflict of interest as an Englishman who's never heard of either. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the comparisons don't help, but people will always make them. It's human nature. ~DC Let's Vent 00:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I hope this doesn't get "Woodened." Time and time again an item will get only objections after it's posted, because people who support it's inclusion don't feel a need to chime in after it's posted (why support something that's already up?) ~DC Let's Vent 22:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Although you do have a point, this went up rather quickly (7 hours) after a large number of early support votes. Since most aren't 'regulars' (and I imply no criticism by that) I assume many came here after hearing the news through other outlets. It works both ways - various people see it is missing, disagree, and come here to suggest/support it; and then others see it there, disagree, and come here. Some (the aforementioned 'regulars') would come here and offer their opinion anyway. But I for one do not check the candidates page every few hours during my working day. Modest Genius talk 23:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense. People generally chime in to change something they disagree with (i.e. adding something that hasn't been added yet, or removing something that was). I think it shows how ITN needs more participation (there are what, a dozen or so "regulars", plus maybe another dozen "observers" who chime in less frequently, plus the smattering of non-regulars). Maybe it's time to add a link to ITNC to the template (DYK does it). Of course, this isn't the proper venue discuss it, but I think it's something to consider. ~DC Let's Vent 00:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That would result in an influx of new participants, but how many of them would be informed participants (i.e. users who understand that the section isn't a news ticker and is intended to highlight encyclopedia articles updated to reflect recent/current events)? I suspect that we would receive more feedback along the lines of "OMG, HOW COULD YOU NOT REPORT THIS?!?! IT'S HUGE NEWS!!!!11!!" than anything else. —David Levy 01:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They can just be ignored if they do that, I'd support a link from the homepage. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this a wiki? Don't we use consensus? If there's consensus for ITN to be a newsticker, than so be it. And yea, I know the response is WP:NOTNEWS, but doesn't DYK violate WP:TRIVIA under that same logic. ~DC Let's Vent 20:06, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I know it's up already. But this not international news in the slightest. I wonder if any of these "support" votes are from non-Americans. I also wonder how many Americans had even heard of him before his death. My on-the-spot survey (admitedly, of only two Americans) suggests not many. Kombucha (talk) 21:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Late support as a non-American to hopefully stem the tide of consensus towards this getting pulled. The longest serving member of the world's most recognised legislative body. Clearly a giant of his times. This death is all over the international news. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"All over international news"... on the BBC News site I have to go to the Americas section and then scroll to the bottom to find anything about it. It's not on the main "World" page and it's certainly not a headline. Kombucha (talk) 22:34, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It has dropped out of the international news rapidly. I read the BBC news website as well and I only learnt about this from Wikipedia. Carcharoth (talk) 00:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I've read the arguments above, and I know it has already been posted, but I'm not convinced that this sort of posting takes ITN in the right direction (it takes us further down the slippery slope to an obituary postings that started when the death of Ted Kennedy was posted). Do any ITN regulars know whether similar "longest-serving" politicians in other countries get put on ITN or not? I suspect not, but in this case at least I think the focus should have been on the office and not the person. i.e. update and draw attention to the article on the office, particularly as the incumbent of the office depends on which party is in power (the most senior senator in the majority party), so not even the most senior politician in some cases, though he was in this case. I would suggest something like: "US senator Daniel Inouye becomes President pro tem of the Senate following the death of the longest-serving senator Robert Byrd at the age of 92.". Carcharoth (talk) 00:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 27

June 27, 2010 (2010-06-27) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for June 27

Burundian presidential election, 2010

First round of the first direct presidential elections since 1993 - Dumelow (talk) 14:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously we may not get a result, in which case the second round is on 26 July 2010. The article needs some work also - Dumelow (talk) 15:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the fact that all opposition candidates withdrew, it is obvious what the result will be. Still, the article needs to be expanded and then it has my support, in principle. --Tone 16:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is still technically possible for Pierre Nkurunziza to lose as there is an option to vote against him. Though there have been allegations of widespread electoral fraud so it is likely that it won't matter which way the people vote anyway - Dumelow (talk) 16:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Elections in Kyrgzstan and Guinea

I added the wikilinks above, but would wait for the results for publication (also would tweak the Kygrz text above)Lihaas (talk) 17:30, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For reference the Guinea articles are at Guinean presidential election, 2010 and Guinean legislative election, 2010 - Dumelow (talk) 15:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Algirdas Brazauskas

- Lithuanian politician, President (1993–1998); Prime Minister (2001–2006) - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 07:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Much improved now, still needs some expansion (particularly the details of the death (i presume he died of cancer and not something else?)). But i would support nowLihaas (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The timer's red and ITN is looking very stale, so I would love to get this up, but I can post an article tagged with {{update}} and {{citations missing}} and that has only one sentence about his death. It looks ten times better than it did when this was nominated and the latter tag is probably not warranted. I will post this if someone can turn the sentence about his death into a reasonable sized paragraph. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done.Lihaas (talk) 1:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! Posting HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:12, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comet C/2009 R1

Currently at about magnitude +5, and approaching the sun, while it could brighten to magnitude +2 or +3 by the end of the month. We put up Comet Lulin on ITN last year when it was at a similar magnitude, but this is currently a morning comet. However, the only problem may be that this article was already listed for DYK back on June 16. ~AH1(TCU) 00:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This was nominated about a week ago (see 18 June on Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/June 2010), when the consensus was to wait to see if it got really bright. 'Could' isn't enough, and +5 is faint enough that you'd only spot it if you were looking for it. Modest Genius talk 11:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose Unless it's brilliant enough to be easily seen, like the first Comet McNaught in 2008, it should not even bear consideration. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 12:21, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 26

June 26, 2010 (2010-06-26) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for June 26

36th G8 summit and 2010 G-20 Toronto summit in Canada

As per candidate explanation for June 25. G-20 meeting will comprise the heads of state of 19 economically powerful countries, European Union leaders, 7 international organizations (such as the UN and World Bank), and 6 other heads of state (non-G-20 members) invited to the summit--quite an extensive attendance. Both summits are being held one after another (G-20 summit will follow the G8 summit) on this day; G8 ends today while G-20 starts today and continues tommorow. The G-20 summit remains the most important of the two as it has an extended membership, considerable international news coverage, and notable as the most expensive security operation in Canadian history (probably the largest summit held, as per sources outlined in the article in question). G-20 meetings, as per previous meetings, have a profound effect on world economy, as summit discussion relates to top socio-economic issues and the concurrent global economic recession. Eelam StyleZ (talk) 05:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So... why is this listed again? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 12:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it is a different day. Or are previous candidates still worth posting on ITN the next day? If so then my mistake. Eelam StyleZ (talk) 15:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why is there no mention of the G8 on the ITN?(Lihaas (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed; the current ITN item should mention both G8 and G20. -M.Nelson (talk) 00:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, candidates don't become ineligible because they were nominated on the previous day. Second, this has already been posted and is currently on ITN. Tird and finally, I shall add a mention of the G8. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed the blurb to include a mention of the G8 as well. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The current blurb implies that the two are the same summit; how about something like:
Leaders of the world's major economies convene at the 36th G8 summit and 2010 G-20 Toronto summit in Huntsville and Toronto, Ontario, respectively.
-M.Nelson (talk) 00:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Another option is:
Leaders of the G8 and G-20 attend summits in Huntsville and Toronto, Ontario respectively.
-M.Nelson (talk) 00:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is the gathering of these leaders (as they do on a regular schedule) noteworthy in comparison to the unseen levels of chaos that hit Toronto streets yesterday? NO! - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 16:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with mention of both, i also posted a message at errors in "in the news"Lihaas (talk) 17:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also agree. G8 and G-20 should be mentioned together. Also, protests should also be mentioned as they are receiving enough attention from media. A decision of creating a separate article for G-20 protests is currently under consideration (see Toronto summit talk page). On a side note, Toronto should not have Ontario or Canada following it, just like how its written on ITN at the moment. Eelam StyleZ (talk) 18:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 25

June 25, 2010 (2010-06-25) (Friday)

ITN candidates for June 25

36th G8 summit and 2010 G-20 Toronto summit in Canada

Pretty ITN-worthy as the largest economies in the world, with half the world's population at least, meet amidst the current economic re-downturn. (technically G20 starts tomorrow, but i think it can double up here as only a few hours divides the similiar event and it would then have to be edited on the main page)Lihaas (talk) 12:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support due to both groups' importance, as well as the major controversy over security costs that it has caused in Canada. --PlasmaTwa2 18:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, pretty obvious reasons. G8/G20 meetings were previously ITN candidates. Infact, it's the last important G8 meeting and first G8/G-20 meetings happening back to back. Eelam StyleZ (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support APK whisper in my ear 21:43, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Do we have an article to be updated? Physchim62 (talk) 21:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
36th G8 summit and 2010 G-20 Toronto summit. APK whisper in my ear 22:29, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above--Wikireader41 (talk) 00:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support an important meeting. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 10:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as long as the articles are updated to reflect the results of the summits (if there are any!). I suggest we post the G8 once it finishes this evening (and once the article has been updated), and then tweak the blurb to include the G20 when that finishes tomorrow evening. Physchim62 (talk) 12:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 24

June 24, 2010 (2010-06-24) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for June 24

Singapore's Marina Bay Sands opens

Oppose nothing newsworthy about this. Hotels' open all the time, even casinos dont have ITN precedence.(Lihaas (talk) 22:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose its just a Casino. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose What Lihaas said. APK whisper in my ear 02:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thirteen people killed crossing railway in Spain

Nom by Mjroots (talk)

Support - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 19:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Death toll now up to 13: not because anyone else has died, but they've only just finished putting the body parts together... Physchim62 (talk) 22:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
oppose nothing especially ITN-worthy. how many people die crossing railway lines a year?Lihaas (talk) 22:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)).[reply]
Not usually twelve at once, and the story has been all over the news (in Europe at least) today. Physchim62 (talk) 22:33, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Death toll now 13, amended title and blurb accordingly. Mjroots (talk) 05:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I think it is sufficiently rare to get train accidents on this scale. The article is looking good as well - Dumelow (talk) 10:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I think the scale is unusual for this type of accident. In Spain, for example, in 2008 (last year for which figures are available), 35 people died crossing railway tracks; two more people died in Catalonia alone in two separate track crossing accidents on Wednesday evening. But trains ploughing into large groups of people (rather than just individuals) is unusual. Physchim62 (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

25th anniversary apology for Air India Flight 182

Support, although the problems with the article itself still keeps it from being posted. --PlasmaTwa2 05:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. The release of the report last week would have been a far better time to post this, but it was not due to the appalling state of the article. It has not been improved since; I see no reason to justify re-nomination, let alone changing the previous decision. Modest Genius talk 12:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. I support the posting of a prime-ministerial apology resulting from the findings of this enquiry, but I weakly oppose if the article is still as bad as it was last week (I haven't looked). MickMacNee (talk) 23:55, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Isner–Mahut match at the 2010 Wimbledon Championships

Mahut and Isner are currently playing in the "longest tennis match in history" at the 2010 Wimbledon Championships. They have played over 100 games for over 7 hours. Isner has also set a record for aces at Wimbledon with 53 (and counting). (The Guardian) (BBC) (SB Nation) (Crunchsports) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support once the match finishes. Perhaps not the most earth-shattering news we've ever seen, but a nice general-interest story. Where would the update go? Modest Genius talk 17:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. We can decide where to put the update when the match is over and we have the full details. Physchim62 (talk) 17:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support This has smashed the previous record, so it's not something I'd expect to see beaten in my lifetime.yorkshiresky (talk) 17:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support once match ends. Might be worth linking to Longest tennis match records -93.97.122.93 (talk) 17:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say put the update either in the Wimbledon 2010 articles or it might be notable enough for its own article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when it has ended and if indeed this is the longest match in history. The longest match in Wimbledon history wouldn't be good enough but "in history" seems important enough. --candle•wicke 18:18, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Per HJMitchell I just created Nicolas Mahut v. John Isner (2010), which hopefully people can use to document this record breaking epic. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - When finished, which may well be tomorrow. They're still going with serve, and if this goes to tomorrow, isn't it the first time in history when this has happened not due to weather? I'd imagine they'd have to postpone the winners next match too, as they're supposed to play tomorrow. Regards, --—Cyclonenim | Chat  19:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support once the match finishes. APK whisper in my ear 19:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support of not I've added merge headers to both articles. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:42, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've merged them. All should be fine now. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Quite an extraordinary story that will certainly attract readers. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support I actually came here just to suggest this. Incredible stuff. Makeemlighter (talk) 20:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Remarkable and of interest to a very large audience. __meco (talk) 20:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment given it won't finish until tomorrow, can this be posted now? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:21, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Let the guys finish the match, then we post with the final number. Otherwise, we could be updating the blurb each consecutive game. But when it is finished, we post In Wimbeldon (first stage...) X defeats Y in the longest tennis match in history or something like this. --Tone 21:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree we should let the match finish - which will now be in at least another 14 hours, I guess. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when it ends... if it ever ends! -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Suggested blurb:
Wimbledon: Nicolas Mahut defeats John Isner 4-6, 6-3, 7-6, 6-7, 999-997 in the longest match in tennis history
with the score updated (and switched if Isner wins) as necessary. I know we don't usually include scores, but the epic number of games played is the whole point in this story. Modest Genius talk 23:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should say something like "break several records in the longest match in tennis history. Physchim62 (talk) 23:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, this is an epic tennis match and probably one of the longest match in all of sports. Rarely is such a feat seen. I think it's a no brainer and should link to 2010 Wimbledon: Mahut–Isner match, as well as longest match in tennis history. It's amazing that a first round Wimbley match is trumping World Cup in the world of sports! Captain Courageous (talk) 23:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
'all sports'? I know it hasn't finished yet, but it's got some way to go to surpass any year's 24 Hours of Le Mans or Dakar Rally, and there have been plenty of very long snooker matches (just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are other examples). Modest Genius talk 23:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • A tennis match with numerous records attached to it. Normally, even the championship winner probably wouldn't be ITN-worthy, but the sheer abnormality of the match makes this a special case. Doc Quintana (talk) 01:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This is nominated under yesterday's date where the consensus seems to be to include it when the match ends. --candle•wicke 01:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC) [reply]
Let's move it to June 25 then *scnr* --78.43.172.126 (talk) 15:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The two discussions have now been merged to avoid confusion. --candle•wicke 04:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC) [reply]

June 23

June 23, 2010 (2010-06-23) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for June 23

Australian Labor Party leadership election

Julia Gillard
Julia Gillard

In 1 and a half hours, the Australian Labor Party will hold a spill of its leadership (Kevin Rudd current Prime Minister), with Julia Gillard, according to reliable sources, to become Australia's first female Prime Minister. [9]. I'm putting this up a little early to note two things in advance for this ITN: (1) she won't be PM until she's sworn in by the Governor-General; and (2) in the very unlikely event that Rudd wins, oppose as we don't post unsuccessful party coups. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support iff and when she becomes the new PM. Not before. Changes of heads of state are of course ITN material. --Tone 21:36, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is a head of government, not a head of state, I assume that doesn't make a difference? --Mkativerata (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake. What I wanted to say was that we post change of president, PM and monarch (whichever position exists in a given country). These are the top positions. Probably Governor-General in the Commonwealth as well. --Tone 21:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well Her Majesty the Queen is the head of state in Oz, but it's only a constitutional monarchy. Anyway, this should be a no-brainer if/when we have confirmation. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If an appointment as PM is a fait accompli after a successful leadership challenge, I think we should post right away rather than wait for a formal change of power. If the challenge is unsuccessful, I'll leave it to an Australian to say whether that's real big deal news event. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Has now happened. Gillard is now leader of the Federal Australian Labor Party and will be formally sworn in by the Governor-General later today. The swearing in is merely a formality, Gillard is now PM. First female PM in Australia's history. -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC) See here for story and Australian Labor Party leadership election, 2010 for wikipedia article. -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There's a nice photo as well to balance the male/female images and it is something from the Southern Hemisphere. --candle•wicke 23:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support the moment she is sworn in by the Governor-General. --PlasmaTwa2 00:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Surprised this isn't up yet. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 01:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We're only following the same protocol as we did for Gordon Brown in June 2007... Physchim62 (talk) 02:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • No one doubts that, but she is not PM until appointed and sworn. Full stop. The articles should not be updated until then, and obviously ITN should not say something that hasn't been changed at the relevant article. -Rrius (talk) 02:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But she's won the election in relevance and people want to know about the election. Elections are always listed immediately when there is a clearcut result, people don't wait until they are sworn in by the highest judicial body or head of state YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Then you state she won the election; you don't go beyond the truth. If you read what I said, you'd see I suggested you could fix the wording for the time being by simply changing "becomes" to "will become". -Rrius (talk) 02:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know, it was a wording mistake on my part to put in present tense her becoming PM instead of being elected PM. I am proposing to insert the latter as that is the convention and seems that people are ready for it. I am posting here as I have been reverted YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We should either (1) put up that she has been elected as the ALP leader and is "set to become" PM; or (2) wait. We can't say she is the PM because she isn't. It's more than mere formalities; it's about accuracy. --Mkativerata (talk) 02:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We waited for the UK, we waited for Nauru, for Colombia and for finland. With the Swedish wedding, we waited til they were married, so we can wait for Australia. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about Nauru and Finland, but the Wedding and the Blair/Brown change were long expected. This is breaking news that should have been up in one form or other long ago simply on the basis of the spill. -Rrius (talk) 02:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have the blurb, I've uploaded and protected the image and all I have to do is hit "save" (I've even written out the blurb) which i will do as soon as this is official. The precedent for ITN is we wait til it's official, no matter how strongly people object to it. I don;t agree with it, but it's the way things are done. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:43, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Was the Colombian president sworn in right after the election? I haven't been following but don't think he was. Brown's was a scheduled takeover, not an election win. This is an election win like the others, unless all the other countries were sworn in on election night. With weddings the main event is the fanfare and kissing on the balcony, the glamourous dress worn by the princess, with politics, the drama and backstabbing is the main event, not signing a piece of paper YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to agree with YM here; I don't think we should be overly bound by conventions that aren't strictly analagous. We can put up an accurate blurb that reflects the true state of affairs at the moment and update it when she is sworn in very shortly (TV cameras are currently parked outside Gov House). --Mkativerata (talk) 02:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
She's at Gov House now. --Mkativerata (talk) 02:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Post please I've checked and JM Santos is still the P-elect, he hasn't been sworn yet, but he won the relevant election, same as Gillard, so I say post it, and there is consensus to do so YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:54, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On Finland, whose events are somewhat similar to Australia's (change in party leadership though triggered differently), Tone mentioned that the election was what mattered and posted the news item ahead of Kiviniemi's confirmation. He also stated that a non-confirmation is a news item of its own. Arsonal (talk) 02:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, please post ASAP. Aaroncrick TALK 02:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the ceremony is about to happen on live tv. Maybe it isn't worth posting then updating. -Rrius (talk) 03:00, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

She's sworn in now so the above debate is moot. --Mkativerata (talk) 03:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's the (party room) election that's important and newsworthy, more so than the swearing in. Gordon Brown situation was a little different because that was a handover not an election, I believe. Post now. Peter Ballard (talk) 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Central Canada earthquake

- A 5.5 magnitude quake, very rare, felt in New York City, Montreal, Toronto, and other thousands of places. Minor injuries. - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 19:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose even though its very rare in NYC but it was not a major earthquake. --Saki talk 19:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Somewhat unusual for its location, but a Californian would laugh off this "earthquake." -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Shaking here was fairly weak, but this one was felt over a very extensive area (about 1,500 km across[10]) and quakes of this magnitude occur around this region only about once a decade. I think we posted a mag. 4 earthquake in England a while back, simply because it was relatively rare, and this quake hitting a populated area is also somewhat rare (originally the shakemaps had up to Mercalli IX, but now it's down to maximum of VI). ~AH1(TCU) 22:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as its a big news week. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
not much actually happened but i do kinda like the article -- Ashish-g55 22:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to support this. Although there wasn't any major damage, we have a nicely developed article and judging from the number of edits, this is a big deal to a lot of people and something that many people might be expecting to see on ITN. I think the rarity of such an occurrence in this area outweighs what would make it a fairly trivial area in, for example, California which is (according to my quick Google maps search) over 2000 miles away. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:36, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, no major damage, of interest only to those in its locality. Same as the Lincolnshire earthquake last year (or was it two years ago?). Modest Genius talk 23:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think it was 2 years ago. It was of interest to me- it woke my grandmother up in Nottingham! I still think this is ITN-worthy, though, especially since we have a quality article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - No major damage, no serious injuries, and as mentioned above, it's a big news week. Nice article though. APK whisper in my ear 23:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, it was the first of its kind to hit places like the Greater Toronto Area and the rest of Southern Ontario in several years. Though there were no injuries, it received considerable national and international media coverage. Eelam StyleZ (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Eelam. --PlasmaTwa2 00:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i will support this per the rarity of event. this is first time since 1998 and it was felt by quite a large number of ppl. plus as i said above article is actually pretty good. -- Ashish-g55 01:06, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to oppose because of how often I read about earthquakes in rare places around the world. This doesn't seem to be the first in history either. There is virtually no devastation. There's no shortage of disasters at the moment - Chinese floods, Brazilian floods, train crash in the Republic of the Congo, all involving dozens and hundreds of deaths and injuries and misery and mourning across the affected regions. --candle•wicke 01:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support but change the blurb to emphasize other points besides New York. This was the most powerful earthquake to hit Ottawa in nearly 12 years, and it was felt fairly widely.--Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That isn't actually the proposed blurb. We'd never hear the end of it if we put up an article on a Canadian earthquake saying that it could be felt in New York City. --PlasmaTwa2 04:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dismissal of General Stanley McChrystal

...Commander of forces in Afghanistan General Stanley A. McChrystal resigns after a critical interview in Rolling Stone.(BBC)(Guardian)yorkshiresky (talk) 18:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment change dismissal to resigns as it's unclear if he was pushed or jumped. BBC/Guardian sites for example report both options. yorkshiresky (talk) 18:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Worldwide coverage. (Al Jazeera, Der Spiegel, Financial Times, France 24, The New York Times, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Times of India, Xinhua News Agency) McChrystal will be replaced by David Petraeus. APK whisper in my ear 19:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Clearly a very big news story. __meco (talk) 20:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support clearly a very important story - there seem to have been a lot today! -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:42, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Red Sea oil spill

"Largest offshore spill in Egyptian history", according to the article. I know it is a little short right now but is this doing as much damage to Egypt as the American oil spill seems to be doing to the United States? The Egyptians seem to be doing better at cleaning it up, though there seems to have been a delay in telling the public and "Media reports suggested, however, that 20 kilometres of coastline had been polluted". --candle•wicke 05:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good point, though the current details seem uncertain at best. According to NPR, an Egyptian environmental organization alleges that their government is downplaying the extent of the leak.   — C M B J   08:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. We need more sources, the situation is not clear. But in principle, I support if it shows true. --Tone 09:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, there's no need to rush to get something up that might later turn out not to be a big deal, better to wait until we know exactly what's going on. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 22

June 22, 2010 (2010-06-22) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for June 22

UK budget

A major announcement for the U.K. and world economies of great interest to many Wikipedia readers. Currently the number-three story on the New York Times' website, which is highly unusual for a British politics story. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is just a national budget. Bad as it may feel to us Brits, it's not an especially harsh austerity package in world terms. And Alistair Darling's last budget actually cut more of the deficit than this [11]. Modest Genius talk 22:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Just Osbourne and Cameron playing politics- after all, if you came to power after 10 years of opposition, the first thing you're going to do is bash the previous party and bring in a new budget to undo the last 10 years' worth of work and make life that bit harder for those of us on a low income. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Domestic political news: a new government presenting an emergency budget is completely normal in global terms. Physchim62 (talk) 22:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support I echo Mwalcoff. As for "an emergency budget [being] quite normal," that's quite Orwellian, if I may. 63.138.70.132 (talk) 01:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UN investigation into alleged war crimes in Sri Lanka

I've created the War crimes in Sri Lanka article which covers this news item.--obi2canibetalk contr 21:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the panel releases its report in four months. Arsonal (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Usually the results are posted so it would be a good idea to nominate it again when they are available. But it's good that you've started it. :-) --candle•wicke 01:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New members of the hockey Hall of Fame are inducted including the first females

Dino Ciccarelli, Cammi Granato and Angela James are elected as players with Angela James & Cammi Granato being the first women. While Jimmy Devellano and Daryl 'Doc' Seaman are elected as builders. [12]--Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. Nowhere near significant enough. Modest Genius talk 21:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How is this not significant. This is the only time in that a Woman has been elected to a professional sports Hall of Fame. Come on how can you say this is less significant than Eurovision. WHile that gets posted. This is an international Hall Of fame. There's people from all over the world in it. It's not like the Baseball where only MLB players are in it.--Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
1. This is certainly not 'the only time in that a Woman has been elected to a professional sports Hall of Fame' (just off the top of my head, see English Football Hall of Fame). Nor would it be particularly significant were it true. 2. This is a story only of interest to hardcore ice hockey fans - the sport fan on the street neither knows or cares who is inducted into the hall of fame. 3. Although I am a hockey fan myself, ice hockey is not a big sport on the international stage. I simply don't think there's enough international interest to justify posting this. 4. Much as I dislike it, Eurovision is a major cultural institution which hundreds of millions tune in to watch, and was accompanied by masses of media attention. I doubt any of that is true here. 5. The article has received only a one sentence update, with no reference. Modest Genius talk 22:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone outside of Canada can really comment on the significance of the Hockey Hall of Fame in Canada, hockey being so essential to Canadian nationhood. That said, we have quite a bit of sports on ITN now, and including selections for halls of fame might raise the argument of opening floodgates. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with MG and Mwalcoff. We seem to have quite a lot of ice hockey on ITN currently (and nobody outside North America really pays much attention to it) and I'd rather save the ITN slots for the absolute most significant sports tournaments. That apples regardless of the sport- I think we have too much [association] football on ITN FWIW. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Yanga train derailment

- at least 51 deaths - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 17:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support as 2010 China Rail crash was posted (along with the European ones) - though the article probably needs a bit more improvement. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article needs some expansion, but we've posted train crashes and derailments with significantly lower death tolls. Is it me or is it nothing but floods and train crashes at the minute? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think part of it is that because the Chinese crash was posted people are bring up more crashes outside of Europe/the US where sadly they are more common. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately we can't post that as it is a copy vio. First sentence is copied from first reference. As there are only 2 sentences that's a sizable amount! Mr. R00t Talk 02:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been expanded and the copyvio issues addressed, so I'm ready to post, but one more support would be nice. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Anybody? Please? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's a pity there isn't more interest if 1991 was the last time something like this happened. I don't think crashes on this scale are common at all if this is correct. --candle•wicke 18:13, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I presume that's a support? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I expanded the article. Sorry, I thought I'd already supported but it seems I didn't. So support to clarify. :) --candle•wicke 18:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mari Kiviniemi elected as new Prime Minister of Finland

I think a new head of government of an entire independent country is significant enough to be mentioned. Possible blurb:

JIP | Talk 16:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Changes to heads of state and government usually et on ITN, but I haven;t been able to find an article on an election. Is there one? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It seems to be a change of leadership under unique circumstances. The party leadership changed, resulting in a change of prime minister that has been approved by the Parliament of Finland. She will hold office until the 2011 parliamentary election. Arsonal (talk) 17:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the parliament vote must be confirmed by the President of Finland, but that step appears to be a formality. Arsonal (talk) 17:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support once confirmed by the president. Modest Genius talk 21:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, upon confirmation.   — C M B J   07:18, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll go and post. She has been elected, that's what it counts. In case the president would not confirm her, that would be another ITN story. --Tone 08:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Belarus cuts gas to Europe in response to Russian cuts

i think this is a dramatic escalation of the conflict between Russia and Belarus which started when Gazprom announced an initial cut of 15% of gas to Belarus a few days ago, to be increased to 85%, over a disputed claim of less than $200 million in unpaid gas bills. __meco (talk) 15:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Saw this the other day and thought about nominating it. Yamal–Europe pipeline might be the appropriate article. Arsonal (talk) 15:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Cameroon Aero Service CASA C-212 Aviocar crash

- Wreckage found - 11 killed - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 10:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - small turboprop with few people aboard. We can't go featuring every single plane crash on ITN, take a look at Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in 2010 to see how many that would entail. Modest Genius talk 21:16, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While notable people died on this crash, I just don't think it's significant enough. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So notable that only Ken Talbot has his own article (about a third of which is describing his death), and nor does the company they worked for have one. Modest Genius talk 22:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 northeastern Brazil floods

  • I thought about nominating this a couple of days ago. It's much less extensive than the floodings in China. There are also other similar events going on at the moment. I may support it though, perhaps more likely if the article is bigger than the stub that has been created. __meco (talk) 09:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support and expanded. Since China is at the bottom and this is ongoing this will be the only flood on the Main Page soon. Suggest: Floods cause the deaths of at least 44 people and the disappearance of hundreds more in Brazil. Or anything else. --candle•wicke 04:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting now the article has been expanded. (I hope nobody minds the fact that I nominated it the first place...) --Tone 07:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 21

June 21, 2010 (2010-06-21) (Monday)

ITN candidates for June 21

Hilda archaeological site

Possible blurb: Archaeologists in Hilda, Alberta announce the largest cache of fossilized dinosaur bones in recorded history.

Came across this headline in an RSS feed today and figured I'd throw it out there.   — C M B J   07:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are no updates in the article about this event. SpencerT♦Nominate! 14:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's an interesting event, though- we haven't had anything prehistoric who though of that term, anyway? What a stupid word. Before history? up on ITN for a while. I'd update it, but I daren't go meddling with articles on subjects I know nothing about! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:51, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some news articles for anyone interested in taking it on.   — C M B J   18:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 20

June 20, 2010 (2010-06-20) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for June 20

Abdolmalek Rigi execution

  • pretty big in light of the controversy surrounding Iran in international relations today, and this too has a tie with the americans which makes it more controversial. 1 "victory" for iran in the face of external pressures.Lihaas (talk) 07:31, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 U.S. Open

The 2010 U.S. Open Golf Championship may be over in a couple hours. (Though a Monday playoff is also a possibility.) Courcelles (talk) 23:13, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

support when ready.Lihaas (talk) 23:23, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that Graeme McDowell has won? Can this be true? --candle•wicke 03:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Colombian presidential election

Still a while to go before the final results are in (they're at about 55% counted), but the result is clear enought to suggest the blurb! Physchim62 (talk) 22:38, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support when readyLihaas (talk) 23:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It seems the results are there. Just some prose update and this will be ready to post. --Tone 18:35, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support and done. --candle•wicke 03:00, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Polish presidential election, 2010

(assuming there is a result) name is elected President of Poland in an election, replacing Lech Kaczyński, who was killed in a plane crash on 10 April. Mjroots (talk) 08:53, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support clearly important. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 09:36, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support once results are out--Wikireader41 (talk) 16:29, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It will probably go to a second round, based on opinion polls. We'll see later on this evening. Physchim62 (talk) 17:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to be a clear second round. This means we wait until then. --Tone 18:15, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
wait If its a runoff then the posting on ITN can come later with that in a few weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.217.60 (talk) 18:46, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 19

June 19, 2010 (2010-06-19) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for June 19

Nauru elections

national Electoral results around the globe are ITN-worth

Nauruan parliamentary election, June 2010 maybe needs an update. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 19:04, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No. This is not ITN-worthy. We need to be a bit realistic here. Instead of trying to enforce this artificial 'equality' amongst nations, maybe it is time we assessed these elections based on impact. Colipon+(Talk) 02:00, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it is a change to the head of state/government in a sovereign nation, but it is a very, very small nation! We are, though, overdue for an update. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Get back to me when you are able to reach a consensus about where to draw the line. I think you'll find that would be an impossible task. There aren't that many elections in the World, there's no reason to try to cap them, unlike other topics. --Monotonehell 10:15, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when the article is upgraded (probably will be never). If we can put up something as useless as the burning of a giant goat, I don't see why we can't put this up, especially if it is a slow week. --PlasmaTwa2 05:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support and expanded. This was held during a state of emergency so it seems important enough. A parliamentary election in Nauru results in a hung parliament. --candle•wicke 00:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Tone 09:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. This is another example of the absurdity of applying mathematics-like "rules" like "all X are notable" to news value. Nauru has fewer people than a city council ward in a small town. You are making ITN into a laughingstock. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:26, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Yes Nauru is a very small country. But it is a sovereign nation and this is a global project. Coverage of stories like this - that are obscured by the mainstream media - is good for the project.--Mkativerata (talk) 23:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that Wikipedia should include information on obscure topics like a Nauruan election. However, to make it one of only a few highlighted current-events items on the main page while excluding items far more important to far more people is crazy, in my opinion. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can see both sides of the argument and don't really have a strong opinion either way, but this is far from crazy considering we feature the launch of anything larger than a golf ball into orbit or the dozens of sports events that are of little or no interest to most readers. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Although it's listed on ITNR, and cognisant of the difficulties inherent in line-drawing, belated oppose. I can see an argument that posting this demonstrates wikipedia's breadth of coverage, and counters systemic bias. But in the end this is a tiny island with a population of just 14,000. Most local councils have a bigger electorate. Modest Genius talk 23:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Belated Strong Oppose and second Modest Genius. There is a reason we have something called ignore all rules. Common sense is what should prevail here. As much as I love reading about the Politics of Nauru, this no doubt undermines the professionalism of this encyclopedia when we find that it's granted precedence over the extremely noteworthy Yuan revaluation. What a shame. Colipon+(Talk) 00:43, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PBoC announced it will reform RMB

major economy news greeted by immediate praise from obama, geithner, sarko, harper, imf strauss-kahn, russia finance minister, economists and many more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.22.194 (talk) 22:20, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could you provide a link to a WP article if there is one and to an external news source so we can evaluate the item? Thanks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:25, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's big news, and it's important, but it's a very technical topic so I would want a particularly good update before I would formally support. Physchim62 (talk) 22:27, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Renimbi#Value for beginning, maybe. No updates there, yet... --Tone 22:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

article here- Global Leaders Welcome China's Yuan Plan http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704365204575316512609162050.html?mod=WSJ_Markets_LeadStory renminbi needs an update —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.22.194 (talk) 23:23, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This took some time for me to work out what on Earth was actually being proposed, but it seems the Chinese authorities have come out contradict yesterday's reports in the Western media. 'China's central bank says it plans to keep the Chinese yuan "stable" and there will be no immediate revaluation of the currency. ... "There is at present no basis for major fluctuation or change in the [yuan] exchange rate," the bank's website said.'[14]. Looks like they're only going to allow a tiny shift in the peg, not actually float the renmimbi. Modest Genius talk 14:02, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, what you refer to, i.e. the clarification on Sunday of the initial announcement on Saturday, merely is an assurance to the markets that changes will be implemented gradually. The policy shift stands, but it will be done so as to not wreak havoc with the international financial markets. __meco (talk) 13:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • yah, obvious they are not floating the RMB, they never said they would. they are in effect depegging it from the usdollar and signalling a gradual appreciation. it is a majeur announcement shows from the reactions from just about any world leader of significance. massive impact on the world markets today and many currencies worldwide have rallied. biggest economy news for the past few days in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.20.36 (talk) 16:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

started to update Renminbi. Can ppl check it and help out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.20.36 (talk) 16:34, 21 June 2010 (UTC) Ready?[reply]

Flooding in South China

At least 88 dead, and 750,000 displaced. The article is 2010 South China floods: it's not ready yet, as the news is only just coming out in the international media. Physchim62 (talk) 12:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs to be a bit longer before it can be posted. I'll try to get onto it a little later if nobody beats me to it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:26, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Of note I believe the article has now been updated. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 11:05, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, this article was not ready i believe. (2k) its almost as bad as the Nauru election article (although that is pending result)Lihaas (talk) 07:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's OK. ITN, has had more unupdated blurbs. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 11:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's a newly created non-stub, so it makes our minimum criteria and there's a need to balance that with the state of the template which, if I hadn't added this, would currently be at nearly 50 hours without an update. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Circumcision death "epidemic" in South Africa

This is an unusual story, but with this large aggregation of deaths I suggest that this becomes viable for an ITN spot. Last year 91 died in illegal initiation ceremonies in the Eastern Cape Province. I'm not sure if a separate article needs to be created on this (or if it exists?), but we should be able to update existing articles sufficiently before presenting this. __meco (talk) 08:05, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Royal wedding

Support as above, though I doubt 500 million will be watching. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 09:19, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think we had a discussion about this some time ago. If I remember correctly, we were against royal weddings in general, apart from the ones which involve the direct successors to the throne. Here, Victoria indeed is the heir to the throne so I'll support. --Tone 09:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article could use some work- a paragraph about the ceremony would be nice, as would a few more references- there's an {{unreferenced section}} tag on it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:51, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been updated a bit now. Theleftorium (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not comfortable posting it with that tag on there. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added sources and removed original research/unnecessary details. We've also got some great new images. :) Theleftorium (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to post. What about Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden, marries Daniel Westling in Stockholm.? Still this reads rather short, any idea to improve? And we have a good photo now. --Tone 20:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'll post an alternate blurb. Feel free to modify. --Tone 20:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure of the need to mention his new title- it's only a blurb and it's already quite long. If it were any longer, we'd have to start chopping the bottom of the template to balance the MP. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:06, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is fine now. --Tone 21:08, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 18

June 18, 2010 (2010-06-18) (Friday)

ITN candidates for June 18

Execution of Ronnie Lee Gardner

Nom, execution by firing squad, first person to be executed by firing squad in the United States in 14 years. - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 20:00, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Interesting but, in my view, not significant. Just the result of a long-grandfathered execution law. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:27, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If he'd been sent to the electric chair, we wouldn't even have an article on him. Courcelles (talk) 21:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I might have supported, because I think this is an interesting story and it is "in the news" well beyond US shores, but I've just tagged the article with {{recentism}} and {{NPOV}} since more than half of it is about his execution and the rest is about his crimes. If it's improved, I'd probably support. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Death sentences in the U.S. are not unusual, and death sentences by firing squad are not unusual. More the sort of thing that DYK might pick up. Physchim62 (talk) 23:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Physchim. Modest Genius talk 01:16, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ITNR: International IMPAC Dublin Literary Award

ITNR for the world's most expensive award given to an individual work of literature (as posted last year). I've prepared the articles. Gerbrand Bakker wins the 2010 International IMPAC Dublin Literary Award for his novel The Twin. --candle•wicke 07:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For such an "expensive" award the update is as long as the blurb. Unless we're going to suspend ITN rules for this case too. :O –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The update is very obviously longer than the blurb. --candle•wicke 09:28, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from he's stating he's the first Dutchman to win, the other parts of the update aren't relevant. We would've not said "Marie Curie won the $__ million Nobel Prize for Physics." This needs some more updates such as what is his reaction, what he'd do with the money (donate it to charity?), other people considered for this year's award, etc. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 12:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. (Honey(s), I am home! Great to be back editing Wikipedia. But I'll be gone again until July from tomorrow ):. ) —  Cargoking  talk  15:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Welcome back, Cargoking! Arsonal (talk) 16:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was here in the background... —  Cargoking  talk  16:15, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
@HTD. Have you read the article? The English Gerbrand Bakker is more detailed than the native Dutch and German ones combined and he was much better known there before today. The reaction was included - the horse? His desire to lie down? The song he played instead of a speech? The response of at least one literary correspondent? You would like a list of all 155 titles from dozens of countries across the world? It isn't possible to add any more to his article without overwhelming it with details about this award. Your response does not make any sense and is contradictory, i.e. amount of money is irrelevant but what he does with it is relevant? Pointing out numerous "missing" parts which are already in the article? The more I read your reply the more it does not make sense. --candle•wicke 17:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa, you don't have to be confrontational (lol). When I read the article it was at this state. Don't put words into my mouth either; I didn't say adding all 155 lists (that would be appropriate for 2010 International IMPAC Dublin Literary Award article). As for the money, it is irrelevant in his article, but it is relevant in the award article, the exact amount shouldn't be in his article, but what he intends to do it is important in his article.
Anyway, if this does goes up, this should be after the NBA Finals article, unless they gave out the award at the dead of the night there. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 17:44, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From the Irish Times: "Outside Ireland, the prize’s reach is even smaller, despite its international element. Jonathan Main runs Bookseller Crow, one of London’s best known bookshops. “We’re aware that it’s the richest book prize, but it doesn’t have a profile here, which probably comes down to very little UK press coverage, save for a small paragraph in the Guardian ,” "–HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 18:02, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, why is this a ITNR? It does not seem to have the same impact as the Booker or the Nobel prize... I am not really in favour of keeping this ITNR... --Tone 18:21, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am guessing it was supported because it offers the largest prize, libraries from across the world nominate the entries, the winner is decided by an international panel of judges, the winners all seem to be from different parts of the world. It is also "in the news" internationally today - CBC, The Guardian, National Post, ABC News, The Globe & Mail. As for impact, Herta Müller and Orhan Pamuk both won this before their Nobel Prizes (plus Nobel Laureates J. M. Coetzee and José Saramago are shortlisted) and there are several writers there who have been shortlisted for the Booker as well. Bakker beat a Pulitzer Prize and Orange Prize winner too (Marilynne Robinson). --candle•wicke 18:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I too have reservations on the ITNR listing. It was added by User:Candlewicke after just one support !vote, despite later opposition. No opinion on whether or not it should be listed - I don't know enough about this at present - but there should certainly have been more discussion. Modest Genius talk 01:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NBA Finals

The 2010 NBA Finals will conclude in two hours or so, with either the Lakers or Celtics taking the title. Courcelles (talk) 01:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support lakers won!!! -- Ashish-g55 04:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Suggested blurb: 'In basketball, the Los Angeles Lakers defeat the Boston Celtics in seven games to win the NBA Championship' --PlasmaTwa2 04:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You guys might like to link Game seven (NBA) somewhere in the blurb. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 04:30, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, there is a significant prose update to the bolded link. Random89 06:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Tone 06:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support predicting random anti-US opposes later. BUT I do like the way basketball is mentioned, and not just NBA. :)  f o x  12:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's how we do it on itn. We mention the sport itself. When we had the Stanley Cup up we didn't even mention that it was the NHL. --PlasmaTwa2 17:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Belated support per ITNR. Modest Genius talk 01:39, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Hans Dichand

  • "Newspaper icon", "One of the most powerful and influential men in Austria" and "The paper has been feared for its potential of helping to build up political careers by destroying others" - Austrian Independent
  • "Powerful Austrian publisher dies", "rose from humble beginnings to become both revered and feared" - AP
  • "A household name in Austria" - Business Week
  • According to The Hindu, he "leav[es] a legacy as one of Austria's most influential men, one who helped push late far—right leader Joerg Haider to political fame". He supported both former UN Secretary-General Kurt Waldheim in his 1986 presidential election bid as well as current chancellor Werner Faymann, the Social Democrat. Dichand founded his newspaper Kronen Zeitung in 1959 - it has a "dominant market share, which is one of the world's highest for a newspaper" and "has been Austria's biggest daily since the early 1970s". He supported Austria joining the European Union and then criticised the European Union afterwards. He also criticised immigration. --candle•wicke 00:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Household name in Austria, unknown elsewhere in the world. __meco (talk) 09:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, really not significant outside Austria. Modest Genius talk 01:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of José Saramago

Winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1998. Possible hook: "Nobel-laureate José Saramago of Portugal dies at the age 87." Online source: (BBC) ISD (talk) 13:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's a precedent for posting the deaths of Nobel-laureates, but the article needs an update- a short section about the end of his life, his death and reaction to it would be good. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a "Death" section and expanded and sourced it, the rest of the article is decent, so it should be postable now. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe add to the blurb that he was a writer? Otherwise unfamiliar readers have to figure this out by clicking. --Tone 21:15, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comet McNaught (another one)

  • C/2009 R1, also known as Comet McNaught, appears in the night sky and becomes visible with the naked eye.[19] Note this is a different Comet McNaught to the one we posted in 2007. It is also fairly urgent as it is just about at its most visible currently, we should not miss the best part of it. Also, based on the previous ITN Comet McNaught, we can expect a surfeit of good quality, freely licensed photos of this comet to come forth, which is always good for the project. Zunaid 18:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The article is in good shape and pretty informative. --Tone 18:26, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The article seems in good shape, and this is the sort of topic that captures readers' interest. Physchim62 (talk) 23:45, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, anyone got a good blurb for this? Courcelles (talk) 23:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is my first sentence not a good enough blurb as is? Feel free to work on it. Zunaid 07:47, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now, and wait to see how bright it gets. The latest measurement I can find puts it at mag +5, which makes it just one dot amongst thousands of similarly faint naked-eye stars. I think we should limit ourselves to great comets, which this is not (yet). If it gets bright enough that it can be spotted by those who weren't specifically looking for it, and generates some media attention, then I'll change my mind. Modest Genius talk 01:53, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose with the article as it is. I added a few tags earlier and they've yet to be addressed, other than that, I agree with MG above- if people who weren't looking for it can spot it and it gets some media attention, I'll support, but not yet. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:58, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
While we're on the topic, would it be worth adding great comets to WP:ITNR? Modest Genius talk 14:06, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've no objections to that. Physchim62 (talk) 15:16, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 17

June 17, 2010 (2010-06-17) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for June 17

French floods

Support when there's an article. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:42, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Starter, 2010 Var floods. --Tone 08:27, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Death toll now at 22, and expected to rise further. Physchim62 (talk) 11:42, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this is ready to post but since I started the article, I leave posting to someone else. --Tone 13:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The article now says 25 are dead so perhaps somebody ought to post it. --candle•wicke 15:16, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest: Heavy rainfall in Var kills at least 25 people during the region's worst floods since 1827. --candle•wicke 15:20, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Air India inquiry

Support due to the significance of the original event and the international coverage the conclusion is receiving, e.g. Aljazeera and BBC as well as numerous Indian and Canadian sources. --candle•wicke 21:12, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Proposed edit: "...a "cascading series of errors" by the Government of Canada, the RCMP, and CSIS led to the 1985 bombing...". Thoughts? --Natural RX 21:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

information Administrator note Any more support for this? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support this seems significant. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article is rather a mess, I'm not sure there's no way we should be putting it up as a bold link. It doesn't look awful at first glance, but if you try and read it you'll find it's a mish-mash of unreferenced sections, events given out of chronological order, out-of-date speculation, and I can't immediately see where the update is. Modest Genius talk 23:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just slapped {{refimprove}} on it, and unless I can find something concrete I'm going to add {{update}} too. Modest Genius talk 23:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose due to awful state of the article and a complete lack of an update. I think that's probably the most tagging I've ever done to one article. Modest Genius talk 23:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when the article is improved. --PlasmaTwa2 02:37, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Papua earthquake

    • Support The earthquake destroyed nine villages. As far as using the population of the area as criteria for Support or Oppose, earthquakes in areas of no population can create tsunamis. I don't think we should succumb to earthquake fatigue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.138.70.132 (talk) 04:28, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 16

June 16, 2010 (2010-06-16) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for June 16

2010 Var department flooding

- 15 killed - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 15:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please create an article for the event; a nominated red link cannot be supported. SpencerT♦Nominate! 02:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Soyuz TMA-19

We list all US manned spaceflights, so I see no reason not to list Russian ones as well. This is also the 100th mission to the ISS, which should count for something. Recommended text: "Soyuz TMA-19 launches on the 100th flight to the International Space Station, carrying three members of the Expedition 24 crew." Spaceflights of this nature are WP:ITN/R anyway. --GW… 10:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There's an ongoing discussion about updating the space item criteria on WT:ITNR. Modest Genius talk 14:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

16 June 2010 Indonesia earthquake

- at least 3 killed - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 13:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Sinaloa train collision

- At least 13 deaths - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 08:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Please follow the listing instructions by updating the Current Events listing first, with at least one url to the incident. As I have no idea where Sinaloa is, or a url to follow, it's a neutral. It's also probably not helpful to present headers as redlinks, these suggest to me that someone has already had a stub deleted, rather than nobody has yet created the article. And if they are notable incidents, it is easily possible someone else independently creates it under a different name, while we possibly sit here looking at a redlink thinking it doesn't exist. MickMacNee (talk) 13:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major exoplanet announcement

From the paper "Characteristics of Kepler Planetary Candidates Based on the First Data Set: The Majority are Found to be Neptune-Size and Smaller": "On 15 June 2010 the Kepler Mission released data on all but 400 of the ~156,000 planetary target stars to the public. At the time of this publication, 706 targets from this first data set have viable exoplanet candidates with sizes as small as that of the Earth to larger than that of Jupiter. Here we give the identity and characteristics of 306 of the 706 targets. The released targets include 5 candidate multi-planet systems. Data for the remaining 400 targets with planetary candidates will be released in February 2011. The Kepler results based on the candidates in the released list imply that most candidate planets have radii less than half that of Jupiter" Characteristics of Kepler Planetary Candidates Based on the First Data Set: The Majority are Found to be Neptune-Size and Smaller, William J. Borucki, for the Kepler Team (Submitted on 14 Jun 2010) Qurq (talk) 04:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't read the paper yet (will do so before deciding whether to support or oppose), but 306 new exoplanets is a MASSIVE advance. That's almost doubled the number of exoplanets overnight. Modest Genius talk 15:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Preliminary support, pending a blurb item and an updated article. Thue | talk 20:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Kepler Mission would be an appropriate article to update, but question: I'm curious as to the terminology "viable candidates" (since I'm not too familiar with deep space astronomy). Does it mean they will actually be confirmed discoveries for addition to List of extrasolar planets? Arsonal (talk) 20:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I read the paper, here's my assessment. Firstly, this is an arXiv preprint, which has not yet been submitted for publication (will be soon). In general, I think the vast majority of 'viable candidates' will turn out to be confirmed planets. However, the paper states that 'The discussion in this paper covers the remaining 306 targets that the Kepler team does not plan to give high priority for follow up confirmation', so these are targets which are a combination of faint and/or less promising, with 400 'better' targets withheld for the moment. Further, it states 'The reader is cautioned that the false alarm rate for the candidates presented here is unknown and could be near 50%'. They also state that all candidate of estimated size 1.5*Earth and smaller are withheld in the group of 400 - implying that there is a substantial number of such candidates. Only planets with orbital periods <33 days are listed. Conclusion: this is big news in astronomy, and probably constitutes the largest number of planets detected by a single team ever, and eclipses the previous most announced in one go by a country mile. And they haven't even included their 400 'best' candidates. And this is based on just the first 42 days of the (multi-year) mission. However, this is still an un-peer-reviewed preprint, so we should wait until it is published. Might be worth seeing what media attention the proper publication attracts - the various PR machines will use that as their copy deadline. Modest Genius talk 22:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Lets wait. Thue | talk 21:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 15

June 15, 2010 (2010-06-15) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for June 15

Saville Inquiry - 3:30 pm

  • Publication date of the Bloody Sunday Inquiry - to be announced by David Cameron in the House of Commons. The Guardian's choice of words - "long-awaited", "unlawful" and "the longest public inquiry in British legal history" - suggest some significance. As does "Up to 10,000 people are expected to march around lunchtime that day into Guildhall Square in Derry, where they will watch live reports about the inquiry's conclusions on giant television screens". --candle•wicke 20:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is due later today. --candle•wicke 01:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
David Cameron has just apologised on live television as well. --candle•wicke 14:38, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The minimum update has now been reached. Suggest: The Saville Inquiry into Bloody Sunday (1972) finds the British Army guilty of shooting 27 civilians, while British Prime Minister David Cameron apologises. --candle•wicke 15:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but suggest bolding the Bloody Sunday link rather than Saville Inquiry (much better article, and has been updated but needs some citations for the update), and it would be nice to work the fact that all 17 dead have been found completely innocent into the blurb. This is a major milestone in the history of Northern Ireland. Modest Genius talk 15:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well if someone could add the required citations to the Bloody Sunday article, I'm ready to post, barring a flood of opposes, though I'm not sure how we could work "they were found innocent" into a neutral blurb... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Done That was fun with a whole load of edit conflicts. Modest Genius talk 15:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. Why do I get the feeling the peanut gallery will be berating me for this all night? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:57, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Football and money

A record sum of money + a five-year legal battle + final appeal lost + Romania, England and Switzerland (and perhaps others?) + reported in Asia and the United States. (The Guardian) (BBC) (AsiaOne) (The Hindu) (CNN) Is this significant enough? --candle•wicke 00:46, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Not significant enough in my view. The ruling doesn't appear to have any precedent value (say, unlike the Bosman ruling). It's just a private lawsuit between an employee and a former employer, notable only because the employee is a pro sportsman and he's been nailed for a lot of money.--Mkativerata (talk) 00:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, sorry this isn't significant outside the anorak-y world of football-transfer-watching. Modest Genius talk 15:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 14

June 14, 2010 (2010-06-14) (Monday)

ITN candidates for June 14

Discovery of vast mineral wealth in Afghanistan

I'm rather ambivalent on this one. A large, mountainous, previously poorly prospected country, which has recently had a massive influx of American money, expertise and manpower, is the most obvious place in the world for major new mineral discoveries to happen. And how much of this $1T is economically feasible? There's trillions of dollars worth of stuff on the Moon, but that doesn't mean anyone's going to be extracting it any time soon. Plus, the article is poorly referenced and missing an update. Modest Genius talk 11:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article concerns alone warrant an oppose. But MG's points add to my doubt. Plus, is there a precedent for posting something like this (or is this event unprecedented)? ~DC Let's Vent 18:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to say oppose. I agree with MG that unexpected discoveries are to be expected in unexplored areas, especially an area with the geology of Afghanistan; you just need to find the right spot. A cynic would say that that is one of the reasons for the fighting... but I'm not cynic, am I? Physchim62 (talk) 18:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as this and this suggests it is a "discovery" similar to Columbus "whose voyages across the Atlantic Ocean led to general European awareness of the American continents in the Western Hemisphere" (according to Wikipedia). This sounds a little too much like U.S. geologists "whose voyages across the Atlantic Ocean led to general American awareness of Afghan minerals that Russia knew about in the 1970s" and, to quote the article, "the administration really needs something to staunch the feeling that 'let's just get the hell out'" and that this is "an effort to get some good news out". Even if that is all a lie it raises some doubts. --candle•wicke 00:36, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 13

June 13, 2010 (2010-06-13) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for June 13

Hayabusa returns

Support, once the article gets a prose update. At the moment, it's also a prime example of WP:PROSELINE. Modest Genius talk 15:18, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. seems a significant mission, albeit with some doubts over its success. MickMacNee (talk) Suggested blurb:
Support, rather unique mission. strikes me as interesting and worthy of ITN. Nirvana888 (talk) 17:28, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is some update in the article already. Willing to post when someone checks the article and agrees with the sufficiency of the update. --Tone 17:56, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to see more prose. Half the article is in bullet points and it's just a timeline- this happened, than that happened, then this. It needs a chunk of prose about the conclusion of the mission at the very least. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Guys, this is the first man made object in history to enter in contact with the surface of an object beyond the Moon (Itokawa) and to come back afterwards. If this does not make ITN, nothing space related should. This is as much a breakthrough as Viking or Voyager. 87.213.109.106 (talk) 21:03, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is questioning the worthiness of the story, but the article is not sufficient to meet ITN standards at the minute. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Add this now. The World Cup is stickied and it doesn't have updates. Where's the NPOV in that? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 05:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. And there's plenty of updates in the World Cup article, just get over it ;-) --Tone 07:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
:Overstatement of the year? :O –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, not really. You've made your point, it's been universally dismissed, and now it's time to let it rest. Modest Genius talk 08:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's the overstatement to the overstatement of the year. Not really that POINT-ty, just pointing (LOL) out that there are zero prose updates on the linked article. No passages on Green's boo-boo, or the 4-0 loss from the Aussies. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Nil. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 08:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Belgian general election, 2010

Election to all 150 seats of the Belgian Chamber of Representatives and 40/71 of the Belgian Senate - Dumelow (talk) 14:06, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

support per ITN-worth. although election results wont put this on the front page till at least tomorrow i suspect, one still needs to nominate it (on the 14th i guess). Just to pre-empt statement of the government being formed, that will not happen for possibly several months, so the title on the main page should be something like "[The ruling] Party X wins a plurality in the Belgian general elections"Lihaas (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Needs more of an update before posting.--Chaser (talk) 23:22, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, I usually just nominate these at future events well in advance to make sure we don't miss any. As the gap between voting and final results being published is so variable it is much simpler just to put them on the list for the day of the election (rather than guess when the results will come out). I had no intention of getting them posted to ITN on election day - Dumelow (talk) 23:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Final results aren't in yet (85% counted), but the result is clear and being called by reliable sources:
We don't usually list the second place, but I think it's important in Belgium, where you effectively have two separate party systems. The article still needs updating before this can be posted. Physchim62 (talk) 23:42, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, and include the largest party in both regions as above. Though shouldn't 'francophone' be capitalised? Modest Genius talk 00:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so: it's French name is Parti Socialiste, so "francophone" is just our explanatory adjective. Physchim62 (talk) 00:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I thought Francophone was always capitalised, regardless of how it was being used. Wiktionary lists the capitalised version and offers non-capitalised as an alternative; other dictionaries vary - the OED has the non-capitalised version, Merriam-Webster states 'Usage: often capitalized' and Webster's College has just the capitalised version. Conclusion: either is fine. Modest Genius talk 01:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think the article is ready (the two tables contribute much), but the hook is wanting. That the separatist party won is the focus of news coverage: [20]. The question is how to state that in a sufficiently neutral way for the main page.--Chaser (talk) 02:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think a combination of the table suggesting is above. Although there is a valid point to make that the 2nd place Wallonian party should get mention. So how about something like "Party X wins a plurality in the Belgian general elections, 2010, with Party Y in second place amidst talk of Partition of Belgim" (the italics being the words linked to.
I too thought Francephone was capitalized (i've copied edited it on the page (feel free to change that otherwise))Lihaas (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 24 Hours of Le Mans

Le Mans 24 hour race concludes; WP:ITNR event. Modest Genius talk 20:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support if the article can have some decent prose; oppose in its current state of tables and, well, not much else. I'd normally try to work on it but I know so little about motorsports I'd make the article worse. --Mkativerata (talk) 14:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The article content post-win is totally unfrerenced, and the article as a whole is beyond crap in being anywhere near readable for the non-motorsport fan. MickMacNee (talk) 16:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose MickMacNee is absolutely right, the article is useless for the average reader. I'm not even sure this is notable enough for ITN anyway. ~DC Let's Vent 16:33, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record, I agree with the oppose votes - at present, the article is very poor. I nominated this a few days ago at WP:ITN/FE. It's certainly notable, but needs some actual content, and I'm struggling to find much in the way of race reports (I assume all the sports writers are off at the world cup or canadian grand prix) Modest Genius talk 16:40, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly notable enough for ITN, but the article is tagged with {{refimprove}}, which alone means it can't be posted but it also seriously lacks prose. If it can be improved sufficiently, though, I'll post it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:09, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Simply on the basis that not much text has been able to be written for it yet. Although I certainly would argue vehemently that it is notable as part of the Triple Crown of Motorsport, a 24 hour race is just quite difficult to give a summary to on such short notice, although this year's page also is lacking in other sections as well at the moment. The359 (Talk) 22:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 12

June 12, 2010 (2010-06-12) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for June 12

2010 Nicobar Islands earthquake

- A 7.7 magnitude earthquake - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. While 7.7 seems quite strong, there are (thankfully) no reports of casualties or significant damage so I doubt this quake is notable enough even for its own article, though Wikinews'll take it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:48, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and AfD article--DAI (Δ) 08:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to lack of impact. Modest Genius talk 15:11, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Egon Ronay

An "internationally renowned food critic". Something tells me French-Hungarian food critics don't always attract this much attention when they die (and it seems to have just been announced so it might build momentum). BBC, The Daily Telegraph, The Guardian, AFP, AP, PA --candle•wicke 13:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say no. The article lacks citations and is too short for a decent obituary that we occasionally feature on ITN. The noatbility I leave to the others. --Tone 13:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
oppose no notability, he has to be notable when alive not after deathLihaas (talk) 14:01, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In my opinion, not a significant enough person or a significant enough death to warrant ITN treatment. These things are always, of course, going to be matters of opinion. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:48, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, not sufficiently notable, and the article is rather poor. Modest Genius talk 15:10, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kyrgyz clashes

Ethnic clashes in the Kyrgyz city of Osh kill more than 50 people. --DAI (Δ) 09:37, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support once updated. This seems like an important development of these events and has spurred the Kyrgyz government into asking the Russians for military assistance - Dumelow (talk) 10:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Some more update would be nice, there is plenty material in the news available. But in principle, support.

--Tone 13:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posted as article has been updated with references.--Chaser (talk) 18:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
update to 70--DAI (Δ) 19:23, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slovak parliamentary election, 2010

An election to all 150 seats of the unicameral National Council of the Slovak Republic - Dumelow (talk) 14:04, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, this goes up when the results are up. --Tone 13:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support these are always ITN-worthy. and by polls it seems to break the recent Euro trend of far-right parties rising. (SNP are fourth)Lihaas (talk) 14:02, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They are still waiting on the final results, won't be too long now though - Dumelow (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per ITNR, once final results are in. Modest Genius talk 15:09, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The final results are in. Prime Minister Robert Fico's Direction – Social Democracy party won an improved plurality of the results but his coalition partners (People's Party – Movement for a Democratic Slovakia and Slovak National Party) fared less well. He has been invited to form a government but can only achieve a majority share of seats in parliament if he can entice one of the centre-right opposition to join him. I will try to make a bit more of an update to the article soon - Dumelow (talk) 19:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Possible blurb: "Prime Minister Robert Fico's Direction – Social Democracy party wins a plurality of seats in the Slovakian general election but his coalition fails to retain a majority in the National Council" As always there are probably ways this can be improved, but it's a starting point - Dumelow (talk) 20:05, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted.--Chaser (talk) 23:43, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Same-sex marriage in Iceland

Support as it is a significant legislative change. --candle•wicke 15:53, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Legalization of same-sex marriage in a Nordic country is hardly Earth-shattering news. Physchim62 (talk) 15:58, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not significant - a small country and its something that would be expected. Less notable than Portugal. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 16:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Is this legislative change going to be proposed in every nation as it inexorably rolls out over most of the world? Kevin McE (talk) 17:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this and every other same-sex marriage story, until something majorly groundbreaking occurs (first in Africa, maybe; US, no). Modest Genius talk 17:44, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
First in Africa already happened, (!)Modest Genius Nutmegger (talk) 21:35, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. My mistake. Where? it's South Africa Modest Genius talk 21:58, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The first muslim country hasn't happened yet and that will be notable. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Or the first Asian country. Nepal seems to be getting close to it [21]. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 11

June 11, 2010 (2010-06-11) (Friday)

ITN candidates for June 11

2010 Chihuahua shootings

- 18 killed - BBC - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 20:28, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. At least 30 gunmen. --candle•wicke 21:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Update - now we have 40 killed OMG! - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 07:17, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support if the article was longer than a sentence. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 08:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh bollocks! No pun intended ;)! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:35, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Arkansas floods

The news is still in early breaking mode so not much is known beyond what is in the article. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been updated now, we know that 20 are dead and 40 missing. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:04, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What? We need to add updates? :O –Howard the Duck 03:40, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not very much, it's not that short really. --candle•wicke 04:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Even if there were no updates this would've made it. –Howard the Duck 04:25, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it would. There would need to have been an article. --candle•wicke 04:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just a change in verb tenses would've been sufficient for today's ITN standards. –Howard the Duck 04:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

information Administrator note Can we discuss this nomination, please? The article looks sufficient to me, but a few more sources- and some actual support- wouldn't go amiss. Courcelles (talk) 07:21, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support event seems notable. ~DC Let's Vent 15:37, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I'm surprised this got posted. Currently there is an ongoing flood in China that killed 155 and got over a million to flee, reported here on the Denver Post. I won't go into a rant about systemic bias, but let's be reasonable here. Colipon+(Talk) 00:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arlington National Cemetery

I'm not familiar with how to submit an item for ITN, but those who do may want to submit Arlington National Cemetery mismanagement controversy — Rlevse • Talk • 12:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Transferred from WT:ITN. Courcelles (talk) 12:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is nowhere near significant enough. Plus I'm not sure the word 'controversy' should be in an article title. Modest Genius talk 10:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Huh But flooding in Arkansas and ethnic clashes in Kyrgyzstan (both on the main page right now) do have international interests? Does not compute. Does not compute. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Anything with a bit of death in it has developed automatic ITN'ness, unless bizarrely, it's common death, like run of the mill Iraq/Afghan suicide bombings. Then it has to be spectacular death. It's a bit sick, but it's ITN. MickMacNee (talk)
Odd, still does not compute. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:25, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, are you suggesting that a fairly minor investigation into grave management, which has been going on for months, is somehow more newsworthy than a series of riots which cost dozens of lives and happened only a few days ago? Modest Genius talk 20:27, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FIFA World Cup

From future events:
Oppose. Only the opening ceremony. I'll support the final result.  Cargoking  talk  14:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It will probably be a large opening ceremony though. --candle•wicke 21:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently it is "the world's biggest single sport event". --candle•wicke 02:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The debate of posting live scores will be one of epic win. –Howard the Duck 11:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK. :-)--candle•wicke 12:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How about a quicklink to World Cup results at the bottom of the ITN template like we did for the Olympics?--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That qucklink will quickly evolve into a scoreboard. :P –Howard the Duck 16:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It seems to be quite a big opening. (I found those just by googling Desmond Tutu). --candle•wicke 00:37, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The opening of this event, the Olympics, and the Rugby League World Cup are significant enough to warrant ITN treatment.--Mkativerata (talk) 00:47, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
?? Rugby League? Apart from three countries, the others are making up the numbers and are often getting bashed 40+-0 YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:37, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry, I was only joking to wait to see how long someone would jump on me for it! --Mkativerata (talk) 01:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support once the opening ceremonies are over. No need to jump the gun. --PlasmaTwa2 00:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support once the ceremony is held and the first match starts. Modest Genius talk 01:17, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I can't see why most of the world will care about this; it's just a sporting event after all. -- tariqabjotu 04:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
u cant use that twice in same year :P -- Ashish-g55 05:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, don't think I won't. -- tariqabjotu 05:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously? I'm a sports fan, and I still think ITN has too much sports, but this is either the second or third biggest sporting event in the world. Support. Courcelles (talk) 05:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - with specification in the blurb for the forst time in African continent - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 07:17, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Either the second or third!!?? The Summer Olympics and World Cup are by a mile the biggest two sporting events. What about some form of permanent link in the style of the Olympic Summary as well... --Daviessimo (talk) 07:28, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think there's some consensus on WT:ITN for a permanent link at the bottom. I wasn't sure where to put the Winter Olympics, and was too occupied to look it up. Courcelles (talk) 09:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so what about the blurb? The FIFA WC 2010 begins in South Africa. Anything else? (first time in Africa, begins with the opening match SA-Mexico, ...) --Tone 09:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The opening ceremony took place, posting now - just the basic blurb. --Tone 12:43, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Eh... where is the update??? –Howard the Duck 12:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Second this, there's zero text in the bolded article regarding the opening ceremony. Final results only, unless something happens _and_ an article is updated. --Monotonehell 14:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorely tempted to remove this, but I mean, the current text is more about the world cup starting, and less about the opening ceremony. Nonetheless, there should be a section about it. And also, should the wording read more like: "In association football, the 2010 FIFA world cup..." or would that end up confusing more people in trying to add the sport. SpencerT♦Nominate! 16:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I posted a very generic and technically correct blurb corresponding to the article. It says all over the article that it begins today so that's it. Now, it can be expanded to include the sport (though that would read awkward then) or mention the SA-Mexico match (without the result), maybe like "In association football, the match between SA and Mexico opens the WC2010 in SA." --Tone 16:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
:So... where's the update? –Howard the Duck 17:05, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment, everything is changed from future tense to present and there is the first match result. And the sub-level articles have also been updated. That's enough prose update for me, regarding this specific event (of course, in cases where a new article needs to be created to reflect the event, that's rather different). The article is changing every minute so I can't say how it will evolve. --Tone 17:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That sure was a lot of prose updates, I see. So... where are the real prose updates? –Howard the Duck 17:27, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because this was a predictable, scheduled, event, the majority of things that would have been added at nomination were done over the weeks and months leading up. It would have been nice to have a few sentences on the opening ceremony I guess, though it's hardly an important part of the tournament. Modest Genius talk 00:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So... where's the update? –Howard the Duck 03:39, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
support why was the post removed from the front page? the Olympics were featured at both points. Agree with the caveat above "for the first time in Africa" should be added Lihaas (talk) 13:57, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There were no substantial prose updates. –Howard the Duck 14:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody gives a monkey's about the opening ceremony. Just put a sticky up already!. MickMacNee (talk) 15:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We have at least one photo with opening ceremony? - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 19:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Capital gate tower

The Capital gate tower is the largest leaning tower (passing the leaning tower of Pisa) and as the largest angle. I am currently editing Capital Gate so it can be ready.--Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 04:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - some may claim this is a trivial fact, but to construct a tower with an 18 degree lean is one hell of an engineering achievement --Daviessimo (talk) 07:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Shall we instead wait until it is completed? We posted Burj Khalifa when it was completed, not before. I'll support then. --Tone 09:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but it just got the world record. Plus this is a little different. This building isn't chasing a height record. With the Burj Khalifa the height was growing by the day. This building is completed on the outside and there's only the inside that needs to be completed. The record won't change for this building.--Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 10:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't understand the importance of this building. What is the difference between a leaning and inclined tower? --PlasmaTwa2 15:32, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - agree with Daviessimo and considering that this is an encyclopedia and that this seems an encyclopedic current event. --candle•wicke 23:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until officially opened. Same as with Burj Dubai - we didn't post it beating the height record either when it was broken or when construction halted, but waited until the official opening. Modest Genius talk 00:08, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shanghai International Film Festival

There are 3 film festival in China, Luc Besson is involved in SIFF. The festival starts June 12 it finish June 20. The new films will also be the part of the article, those can be add during the festival. --Dialogue.zh (talk) 12:21, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose we already have the four biggest film festivals on ITNR. --PlasmaTwa2 15:35, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. And now the festival has attracted further international interest following the decision of Taiwan to pull out. --candle•wicke 21:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Four film festivals are quite enough. Plus there are the Oscars in our film coverage too. Modest Genius talk 00:09, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 10

June 10, 2010 (2010-06-10) (Thursday)

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  • A group of German Jews prepare to send a ship with humanitarian aid to the blockaded Gaza Strip. (AFP)
  • Russia announces plans to sell Iran S-300 ground-to-air missiles, stating that the new United Nations sanctions do not cover stationary air defense weaponry. (Ynetnews)

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ITN candidates for June 10

Afghanistan wedding bomb

40 killed - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 10:13, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a site for this? It would gain more of a chance if there was, although with no claim and disputes as well as the fact that it is in a war zone it doesnt seem as ITN-worthy, but thats just me.Lihaas (talk) 10:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Forty, sadly, doesn't seem that significant given the frequency of such events. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I don't know what sort of weddings HJ Mitchell attends, though I believe they do not usually involve bombs. This is the first such event I can recall since the Mardin engagement ceremony massacre in Turkey last year in which a similar number of people died (and which was posted). The dead are as usual only half the story as there are also 70 injuries. It is being reported in great detail on several continents so international interest is not lacking. Australia, Canada, Europe, Israel, South Africa for some examples. If there is an article (and there doesn't seem to be at the moment) I can think of no other reason to oppose this. --candle•wicke 23:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support an appropriate article. Absent a general reconsideration of the way we deal with isolated tragedies (which I would encourage), this should be included. A high civilian death toll and significant news coverage makes it ITN worthy in accordance with our current practices.--Mkativerata (talk) 23:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
David Cameron and Hamid Karzai have jointly condemned the attack at a news conference in Afghanistan - might interest anyone in the UK. --candle•wicke 01:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And now it has been called "the most lethal attack in the south in recent memory". 40 people are killed and at least 77 others are wounded after a young suicide bomber blows himself up at a wedding in Arghandab District, Afghanistan. --candle•wicke 03:25, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The only part featuring David Cameron is one third of an article by Aljazeera - I wouldn't call that "attention". :D --candle•wicke 04:10, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Dutch elections

Results are due today (elections were held on the 9th). VVD and Labour are neck and neck in the exit polls [22]. Modest Genius talk 00:35, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

wait one the new minister is announced then it can go up (similiar to the Philippines elections), right not its too early (although resultds are out and the site it not updated.
just given it a significant updateLihaas (talk) 09:22, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could we not put it up as-is, and add the PM when he's confirmed? Something like

The VVD win a plurality of seats in the Dutch general election

and adding

with Job Cohen of the PvdA becoming Prime Minister

when confirmed. Modest Genius talk 19:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support as MG suggests. For the Czech election we posted who won the plurality. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can we change "VVD" to "People's Party for Freedom and Democracy," which is the article title? Few readers are going to have any idea what "VVD" is. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:13, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's kinda long though, and VVD is a redirect anyway. It would be nice to indicate that the VVD is a political party mind, though I can't think of an elegant solution. Modest Genius talk 22:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I had the same thought myself but hit the same brick wall. I could probably improve it once the PM is confirmed. Any guesses on when that'll be? Hours or days? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Some say weeks.
but one can say "The Dutch VVD party..." on the main pageLihaas (talk) 23:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Except that would be tautological: the 'people's party for freedom and democracy party'. How about 'Dutch political party the VVD wins the general election' or similar? Modest Genius talk 01:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Naro-1 launch failure

Orbital launches are WP:ITN/R, this one is particularly notable because it has failed. My recommended wording would be "A Naro-1 rocket fails to place the STSAT-2B satellite into orbit", or similar. --GW… 10:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it t "consecutive". :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 9

June 9, 2010 (2010-06-09) (Wednesday)

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ITN candidates for June 9

Orange Prize for Fiction

Hmmm... --candle•wicke 05:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, due to the female-only restriction. If there were both men's and women's categories, I'd support both going up together, but not as is. Also far less prestigious than the Booker prize, which I think we should stick with. Modest Genius talk 13:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Barbara Kingsolver wins with her sixth novel The Lacuna. She happens to be American as well. ;) --candle•wicke 01:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wait, she's a traitor. Never mind then. :P --candle•wicke 01:33, 11 June 2010 (UTC) [reply]
Support more literature on ITN is a good thing. Courcelles (talk) 15:36, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The world's oldest leather shoe

Oppose sounds trivial to me. ~DC Let's Vent 06:26, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I disagree that old Armenian leather shoes are trivial. As news, perhaps, but this is an encyclopedia after all and this old shoe has historical value. A current events section in an encyclopedia ought to have space for current events relating to history, science, the arts, etc. --candle•wicke 01:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone else? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per candlewicke. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 07:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support A lot of people are obviously going to get caught up in the old "worn-out shoe" cliche and instinctively reason that this must be an item of lowly importance. If we put on a broader perception this is important as it helps filling out all the blank spaces of human pre-history. __meco (talk) 13:54, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone got a blurb that brings out the importance of this? Courcelles (talk) 15:37, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

United Nations Security Council vote on Iran

Midway has created the article and it looks sufficient. Nirvana888 (talk) 16:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. Courcelles (talk) 23:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stanley Cup Finals

Just a heads up that the ninth is the first possible night the Stanley Cup can be awarded. I want to bring up a point if the Blackhawks manage to win: should we mention that a victory will break their 47-year Stanley Cup drought, which is the longest in the NHL? Hope I got the correct date this time. --PlasmaTwa2 04:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Technically it won't be over 'til 0300 Thursday in UTC time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DC (talk • contribs)
YEAH! the Blackhawks have won! put this up on the front page! Truthsort (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Blackhawks win. Here's the blurb -- "In ice hockey, the Chicago Blackhawks defeat the Philadelphia Flyers, four games to two, to win their first Stanley Cup since 1961." -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to post... but is there a prose update anywhere? Courcelles (talk) 03:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we need the four games to two part, but I definitely support the inclusion of Toews and the mentioning of the drought. --PlasmaTwa2 20:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conference on Interaction and Confidence-Building Measures in Asia

40 nations have been meeting for this summit. Many heads of state are there, including Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Azerbaijan President Ilham Aliyev, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Turkish President Abdullah Gul, Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych. Chinese President Hu Jintao sent a representive. There are members from all parts of Asia and the Middle East. Quote from Xinhua: "Secretary-generals and officials of around 20 international organizations also attended the summit during which Iraq and Vietnam joined the organization and Turkey took over the rotating presidency of the organization from Kazakhstan until 2012". --candle•wicke 00:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting find; CICA is seen as an Asian counterpart of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe. It would need an update. If there's an important decision made as an outcome of the summit, I would be happy to support it. Arsonal (talk) 01:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 8

June 8, 2010 (2010-06-08) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

  • At least 11 people die and injuries are caused in various fatal incidents across Iraq, including several civilians, a Sunni Imam and a Christian. (BBC)

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  • Scientists find evidence that large seas once existed on Mars. (BBC)

ITN candidates for June 8

Noynoy Aquino elected President of the Philippines

Noynoy Aquino is confirmed to be the winner of the Philippine presidential election, 2010 and will assume the office of President on Juen 30, 2010. (BBC)

Note: This is on queue for June 9 (the day of the proclamation). –Howard the Duck 16:50, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Important result of what was one of the most anticipated elections of the year. Arsonal (talk) 17:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is this to go up now or tomorrow with the proclamation? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Considering we've waited a long time it would've not hurt if we waited for another half-day. He's technically not president-elect until later. :P –Howard the Duck 02:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And the vice presidential election could've been posted. The margin was 727k votes or just more than 2%. –Howard the Duck 02:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, nobody's opposed, the update is overdue and it's a change in a head of state, so posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:00, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The current formulation seems a bit too verbose. How about changing it to

Thue | talk 09:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 7

June 7, 2010 (2010-06-07) (Monday)

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  • The genetically modified variety of maize known as NK603, outlawed across the European Union, is sown and contaminates fields in seven German states. (Deutsche Welle) (BBC)
  • A nearly 25-year study published today in Paediatrics concludes that children raised in lesbian households are "psychologically well-adjusted" and have "fewer behavioral problems than their peers". (CNN)

Sports

ITN candidates for June 7

Arrest of 22-year-old U.S. Army intelligence analyst, SPC Bradley Manning

Plus, it will continue to be in the news, because he has not yet been formally charged. Gregcaletta (talk) 03:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please provide a link to an external news source and a link to an updated section in an article (and maybe a bit of background for those who don't know what you;re talking about, including me). Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
He hasn't been charged? I don't know how that would work on the Main Page. --candle•wicke 04:48, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's the disadvantage of not giving a detailed nomination. Based on that, strong oppose on BLP grounds. I'll reconsider if there's a conviction, but until then, I feel it's a gross BLP violation to put arrests/charges/whatever on the MP. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
He has not been charged; he is being held in custody by the Army in Kuwait; US Army officials have confirmed. Here is the BBC article. Here is the specific article section. I am not quite familiar with what counts as a "gross BLP violation", can you elaborate? Gregcaletta (talk) 06:52, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Due to the sensitive nature of criminal cases, only the verdicts are posted on ITN (e.g. the Bhopal case on there now)
--Daviessimo (talk) 07:15, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okeydokey. I'll nominate again if he gets sentenced. Gregcaletta (talk) 01:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to support because I agree that this case does not meet the threshold that we'd need to make it an ITN entry at the arrest stage. However, I'm (once again) against any hard-and-fast rule that we may never put up an ITN entry after someone is arrested or charged. Wikipedia has had articles on people who have been charged in very prominent cases, such as Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the accused Christmas bomber, and Joran van der Sloot, accused in two high-profile murders. I know different countries treat these things differently, but in the U.S., at least, it is very common for the media to report the name and background of people arrested for or charged with crimes, taking appropriate measures not to imply that the person is actually guilty. I would hope that if Lady Gaga were to be arrested tomorrow on charges of shooting up a post office, we wouldn't shy from mentioning the name. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:33, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Helen Thomas retires amid Israel controversy

  • Helen Thomas has been among America's most-famous journalists for 50 years, having covered the White House since Eisenhower was in office (1960). Today, she announced her retirement, which is significant by itself but even more so considering the circumstances. She was recently caught on tape making offensive statements about Jews and Israel. This shocked a lot of people, her talent agency dumped her and all kinds of famous people came out of the woodwork to call for her to be fired. This remains the No. 2 story on the AP wire at Yahoo News (behind BP) after breaking this morning and is also receiving prominent play at The New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, etc. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. When was the last time we featured the resignation of anyone (aside from heads of state/government) on ITN? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I will not only be shocked, but will also certainly post a long-awaited commentary on the systemic bias on Wikipedia if Helen Thomas gets posted over Choe Yong-rim and Chang Song-taek. Colipon+(Talk) 23:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You might be interested in an ongoing conversation on the discussion page about whether ITN is an appropriate place to "fight systemic bias." -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Worldly significant this ain't. Heck, it isn't really significant in the US - she's a long-time prominent reporter, but a reporter nonetheless and this isn't the first case of a reporter going because of controversy and certainly won't be the last. HonouraryMix (talk) 23:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Can't be construed as genuinely ITN-worthy. Per YellowMonkey, see also Tony Greig.--Mkativerata (talk) 00:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bhopal convictions

Support - really interesting - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 16:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How about - "A court in India convicts seven men of 'death by negligence' in relation to their roles in the Bhopal Disaster in 1984" - I've put a link to criminal negligence in the blurb because some readers may not be familiar with its meaning in a criminal sense. Feel free to alter --Daviessimo (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On the main page it says Cyclone Phet hit 'India, Oman and Pakistan". Why does it use this order? Most of the people killed were from Oman and the storm started off the coast strongly before going in to Pakistan. I believe Pakistan has the next number of deaths. Its a big emergency in Oman right now so I don't know why it sounds like an indian disaster. --Newuser062 (talk) 18:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I used alphabetical order. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would make more sense to have it with where it hit hardest. Hope you can change it. Thanks for the help. --Newuser062 (talk) 18:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can, but I'm inclined to leave it as it is, because many people reading that, without knowing the background, would otherwise wonder why they're in that order and complain. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

North Korean politics

Once productive discussion that soured quickly
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Obvious Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We all know the "premier" of DPRK is just a figurehead and that all the real power lies with Kim. If the blurb can indicate how this relates to the real power structure in the country -- that is, the succession after the end of the "dear leader" -- I can see it going up. Otherwise, I think it's just geopolitics cruft. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's interesting you mention that Mwalcoff, but I believe there are firm rules established for ITN that says any change in head of government or head of state should be posted on the main page, regardless of circumstance. I don't think we have the authority to say no in this case even if this was a totally irrelevant change. (That said, Kim Yong-Il is definitely a veteran, and he is widely known to any country that maintains diplomatic contact with the reclusive state. He might not be well known to the majority of WP users, but that's why we're here, right?) In addition, I also find it interesting that you have the audacity to say "we all known... all the real power lies with Kim.". Who are we to say that? For all we know there is a fierce power struggle going on, and if you check sites such as NK Leadership Watch, you will see that the reality of the situation is much, much more complex. Media often simplify the situation too much for the understanding of the layman. If the premiership was so unimportant, then Kim would not have bothered to make the change in the first place, let alone in a 'special session' of parliament. Colipon+(Talk) 23:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum: Please also consider the fact that Jang Song-taek is now the Vice-chair of the National Defence Commission - second in power practically only to Kim Jong-Il himself. We can add this in as well, as Jang, being Kim's brother-in-law, is probably more important to Jong-un's speculated succession than Choe. Colipon+(Talk) 22:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Simple: Choe Sang-rim replaced Kim Yong-il as Premier of North Korea. Chang Song-taek is promoted to Vice-Chairman of the National Defence Commission.
We can hash out which links to boldface. I would suggest Both Choe and Chang be boldfaced. No need to speculate on the effects this plays on the succession in the main blurb - people can click on the articles for that. Colipon+(Talk) 23:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Propose: In a session of the Supreme People's Assembly of North Korea, Choe Yong-rim is appointed Premier, and Chang Sung-taek is appointed Vice Chairman of the National Defence Commission. Arsonal (talk) 23:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me. Posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That said, both men's articles could use some work. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(Response to Collipon's comments above) -- First of all, there are is "firm rule" that any news item of a certain type goes up, period. I would be adamantly opposed to any "rule" that says "all events of type X go up" or "no events of type Y go up." Every item must be judged on a case-by-case basis based on the quality of the Wikipedia content linked to, the significance of the event and the interest among users, which are the only definite criteria for ITN. I think this case fails on those measures. I also see this story is not among the top seven "world news" items on the AP wire, is not on the homepage of bbc.co.uk or nytimes.com and is buried quite deeply at cnn.com. Unless someone can make a case other than "we always do this," I'm going to oppose. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I find it fascinating that you would oppose a change in a head of government and yet nominate the resignation of some journalist above... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Given that North Korea is a member of the UN, ITN/R gives us some direction for deciding when to post changes of heads of state and heads of government. Note that the news item includes more than just appointment of the ceremonial Premier post. Although ITN serves as a newsdesk, I'm under the principle we are also here to feed the curious mind. Readers will want to find out what makes these people significant. They can decipher for themselves what these new appointments mean. Even the US doesn't know all the answers. Arsonal (talk) 23:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Mwalcoff, with all due respect, I see you were not nearly as adamant about this when the new Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago was elected on May 24. Colipon+(Talk) 23:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think in Trinidad the prime minister really runs the government. Anyway, I'm not going to get into a big thing about this, but I wasn't aware that WP:ITN/R had a clause regarding succession of heads of state, which doesn't really apply here anyway because this is about a head of government, not a head of state. Nonetheless, I don't think that clause in ITN/R is appropriate. All of the other items in ITN/R are specific sports events or awards. There is no other ITN/R entry that says all events of type X must go up, and for good reason. Anyway, is there any way we can mention Kim Jong-Il, the "real" power in DPRK, in the blurb, so as to assert real significance? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I also now see the solar eclipses and spacecraft launches. I don't think those should be automatically included either. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think including Kim Jong-il's name is appropriate as it's not part of the news item and invites extrapolation of events in a larger picture. The known facts are already stated in the blurb. Arsonal (talk) 23:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just an aside regarding the ITN/R section in question. It only concerns the results of general elections and elections for heads of state. It specifically states that "changes to the head of government are discussed on their own merits" and are not subject to the ITN/R provisions - Dumelow (talk) 00:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(Responding to HJ Mitchell above) -- I don't see why it's so amazing when all of the major U.S. media consider the Helen Thomas story to be a big deal -- and the major media in other English-speaking countries are giving it some prominence -- while the North Korea item is on the back pages everywhere in the Anglosphere. Furthermore, the Helen Thomas page had more than 83,000 hits in the three days coming into today and will probably have hundreds of thousands by the time the day is out today, while the page for Kim Yong-Il (the outgoing premier) had 2,227 hits all month coming into today. Your issue should not be with me -- it should be with the entire world media and with our readership. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I find that highly offensive. I've been contributing to Wikipedia for several years and not once have I ever done anything disruptive or in violation of Wikipedia codes of conduct. For you to declare that someone should be banned because you disagree with his views on what constitutes an legitimate ITN item is clearly out of bounds. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely. I find that offensive as well, just as I found it offensive that YellowMonkey could pretend to write (supposedly) useful articles at a faster rate, and be on ArbCom at the same time. Physchim62 (talk) 00:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 6

June 6, 2010 (2010-06-06) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters

Ecology

International relations

Law and crime

Religion

Science

ITN candidates for June 6

Cyclone Phet kills 70

See Cyclone Phet. The storm has impacted Oman, Pakistan, and to some extent India. The convection is now over the Thar Desert. ~AH1(TCU) 02:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is up to date; can you provide a blurb? Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 02:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to hear a few more opinions before posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support It has already dissipated it major energy, but there are few issues with the article. It needs to written in past tense and also the number of deaths in the infobox are without any cite. Pakistani media reports says a figure of 2+2+10 that is 2 in India, 2 in Oman and 10 in Pakistan. Defiantly that also needs to updated to current figures. --yousaf465' 03:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
'Support the nomination Mar4d (talk) 09:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have just been through (and updated) the death toll figures on the article and got a total of 44, do you have a ref for 70? - Dumelow (talk) 10:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slovenian border dispute agreement referendum, 2010

Slovenia votes on whether to approve an agreement to bring its border dispute with Croatia before an international tribunal. The agreement is seen as the last step in persuading Slovenia to stop its blockade on Croatia joining the EU - Dumelow (talk) 14:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support once the outcome is known. A referendum on an international border seems quite ITN-worthy to me and it is being covered internationally.--Mkativerata (talk) 00:41, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wait For the results.--yousaf465' 07:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The results are clear. However, the article needs to be renamed, the referendum was about arbitration agreement and not about the dispute directly. And the article about blockade is not appropriate as the center article, the one that should be mentioned is the one about bilateral relations (and the update there). And it's not international tribunal but the arbitration court. Wow, many changes to the original suggestion ;-) --Tone 15:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Oban derailment

A passenger train travelling between Glasgow and Oban derails and catches fire, leaving the carriages perched above an embankment. Mjroots (talk) 21:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, no injuries reported, minor incident in world terms. Modest Genius talk 21:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless the story builds into something substantially more.--Mkativerata (talk) 21:48, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Falls short of ITN notability by a snowball. __meco (talk) 21:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
hook tweaked to reflect fire Mjroots (talk)
Good news, BBC now reporting no fatalities, all passengers evacuated safely. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:58, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and nominated for deletion. MickMacNee (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Minor incident with no international significance. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 French Open

- Men's final will conclude - SiMioN.EuGeN (talk) 14:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could somebody update the report, please? Regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

G20 summit

A major news factor today is that there was a whole G20 summit with results such as "no levies to Companies" but it seems quite under-reported (in the grand scheme of things) Here's the Reuters articles, do what you want with it http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6550SJ20100606 --195.74.255.19 (talk) 13:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's only the finance ministers- which isn't that significant really. I think we should post meetings of the G anything when it's the heads of state, but the finance ministers meet fairly regularly. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Life on Titan

NASA announces the discovery of signs of life on Titan. --75.25.103.109 (talk) 01:08, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Err, sort of. What they've actually found is a lack of acetylene on the surface and motion of hydrogen in the atmosphere (Nasa press release). This might be due to some weird methane-based acetylene-eating life. Or it might not. Oppose since I remain sceptical. Modest Genius talk 01:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's only a clue to life on Titan, but it's quite significant. ~AH1(TCU) 02:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Seems like speculation to me. So far as I can work out, we're not talking about little green men or even microscopic life forms. Or life forms of any kind. We're talking about the possibility that something could hypothetically be living there. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'm not well enough informed on this to support or oppose, so I've stricken the above !vote. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Even though its heavy reading, it is much more worthy of an ITN spot than the usual treadmill fodder. It is not merely speculation, it is two confirmed independent phenomena which fit the model for methane based life, although scientists being scientists, they are leaving that possibility as the most unlikely explanation pending absolute proof. I really don't think we should be pretending that an a 'E.T. exists!' type story is ever going to be a consideration for ITN/C, and therefore, this has no merit. MickMacNee (talk) 16:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
its notable enough for the discovery alone. regardless of speculation about titan being able to support life or not... support -- Ashish-g55 16:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Without the life angle, no it's not. And the life angle is just dressed up speculation. Disclaimer: I'm not a planetary scientist, but I am a professional astrochemist. Modest Genius talk 16:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Though NASA hasn't discovered life per se, they've discovered signs which indicate life. Unless, of course, you think that hydrogen and acetylene are just disappearing for no reason. --75.25.103.109 (talk) 01:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They've discovered signs which may indicate life, but may also be explained by chemical processes. Whether this is significant enough by itself is another issue. By the way, the relevant update is at Titan (moon)#Prebiotic conditions and possible life. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 5

June 5, 2010 (2010-06-05) (Saturday)

Disasters

International relations

Religion

Sports

ITN candidates for June 5

Workforce wins the Epsom Derby in record time

This isn't one of the three ITN/R horse races, but it is the world famous Derby, and the press and the horsey people seem to be making a big deal of just how fast this horse went, in only its third ever race, to 'smash' the previous course record, set in 1995. MickMacNee (talk) 04:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. And support adding to ITN/R. The Epsom Derby is The Derby. --Smashvilletalk 18:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scripps National Spelling Bee

Anamika Veeramani wins 83rd Scripps National Spelling Bee(BBC), (WP)--Wikireader41 (talk) 01:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose featuring any such competitions on ITN. Modest Genius talk 01:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose National competition at the teenager level, and I'm seriously considering sending Anamika Veeramani to AfD. --Courcelles (talk) 02:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose if for no other reason than no-one cares. Well, I'm sure her parents are proud and it's a good bit of publicity for the school, but other than that... I've sent the article to AfD- see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anamika Veeramani. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose with extreme prejudice per above reasoning.--WaltCip (talk) 06:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very strong oppose because spelling bee ~ trivia competitions << International Science/Maths Olympiads etc (memorising obscure trivia or hardcore problem solving), and in any case, we don't usually even have articles for youth-level competitions (sport or whatever) and we don't need a flood of applications. Aside from the stuff for winning youth World Cups, Wimbledon etc, we'll also get the obligatory nom from the usual suspects for High school basketball, etc YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oil reaches Florida

the second picture is funny, because they kind of advertise to be paradise on earth by saying they have the whitest beaches in the world, etc.

AP

Reuters


Oil reaches Florida, including Pensacola. Important enough for an update, or no? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is this really a significant new development? It mostly seems like an accident of state boundaries, something else to tick off on the list of places affected. Modest Genius talk 00:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The difference is oil is finally affecting a beach/vacationing area (dependent on tourism) where before it was all marshy areas dependent on shrimping/fishing (and petroleum, ironically). Other than that, yes, this does seem more of an evolutionary than new development. Support as nom Any other opinions? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's easy to act like this isn't such a huge deal since we've had a major influx of oil spill coverage and ITN postings. Frankly, I think this disaster warrants all the coverage that it's getting. Support.--WaltCip (talk) 02:44, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. With tourism being huge in Florida, this single news story is going to have catastrophic effects on the state's economy. __meco (talk) 11:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as an ongoing item. An important incremental event in this evolving story, for sure. But is it enough of an event to warrant another inclusion in ITN? Has the article been substantially updated since the first ITN spot to warrant another inclusion? Still being in the news doesn't necessarily warrant another ITN spot. Don't confuse incremental news items within an encyclopaedic topic, with the initiation of the topic itself. --Monotonehell 12:23, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we need to make the implicit assumption that a large bulk of those who view our ITN box do so regularly and thus wouldn't be much served by being served the same articles "again" (which for the most part, naturally, haven't changed substantially), or would be annoyed by this. __meco (talk) 13:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This shows that the slick is spreading, and I suggest posting again if the oil enters the Gulf Stream. ~AH1(TCU) 02:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MV Rachel Corrie

Israeli soldiers board & divert MV Rachel Corrie peacefully to port of Ashdod.(BBC), (VOA)--Wikireader41 (talk) 18:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This is only in the news because of the shootings last week. Nothing much actually happened on this one. The article does look pretty good mind. Modest Genius talk 21:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nothing happened, everyone's safe. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 08:30, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 French Open

The discussion about the proposal is opened. Regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:52, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My propose is to announce the report with the women's winner first, and to expand it after the men's final, as a conclusion to the whole tournament.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:53, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support per ITNR. In previous years we have indeed posted the women's result, and then added the mens later, with pics of both. Modest Genius talk 14:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The bolded article lacks a prose update at the moment, so we should hold off on posting until it's improved. ~DC Talk To Me 15:48, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, support after the article is updated.  f o x  16:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per ITNR--Wikireader41 (talk) 17:22, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article is updated, posting. Will be expanded tomorrow when the winner of men's singles is known. --Tone 19:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Wooden dies at age 99

American basketball coach and Basketball Hall of Fame member John Wooden dies at the age of 99. ([25]) –MuZemike 02:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support The best there ever was at what he did. Courcelles (talk) 02:55, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In my view (recognising these judgements are largely subjective), not a significant enough person or a significant enough death. In particular, a lack of international significance. --Mkativerata (talk) 02:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - from the article: "The John Wooden era at UCLA is unrivaled in terms of national championships. The next-closest school, on the women's side, Tennessee Lady Volunteers basketball has won eight championships with the next-winningest coach, Pat Summitt.[42] For men's basketball, Adolph Rupp and Mike Krzyzewski have won four national championships; Bob Knight[43] [44] has won three titles and has an undefeated season[43] (Wooden had four;[3] no other coach has more than one)." —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 03:06, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral - 10 championships in 12 years is incredible, no matter the sport, level, or era. Though at the same time, this lacks any international significance, and he was 99. Grsz11 03:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. He certainly appears to have been the best at what he did, but I agree with Grsz11- this is getting very little coverage outside of North America (it doesn't feature at all on The BBC's World news page nor on Google's world news and 99 is not unexpected though it doesn't diminish the tragedy of any death. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support he's considered one of the best coaches of all time, in any sport. Also seems to be getting a good amount of attention across the pond (per HJ), which proves there's international interest (which is all we need, not int'l significance as Grsx11 claims). ~DC Talk To Me 05:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not enough international significance. --Elekhh (talk) 06:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support He's widely considered the greatest coach of all-time and international significance or not he should be on there. Plus, there's precident since the Russian poet currently on there isn't internationally significant either.--Giants27(Contribs|WP:CFL) 13:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • This discussion seems to have tailed off and I don't think we're likely to get very more comments. I'm going to depart from my own view on this. While I stand by my argument, this gentleman was obviously of some considerable significance and at the very top of his field and, with my oppose stricken, there is a majority in support and, more importantly, a large number of readers are likely to be coming to Wikipedia to read about him. Thus, I'm posting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose Please consider restoring the picture of the Falcon 9 launch. Of what historical significance is a picture of a regional sports figure who died of old age in comparison? What's next, a section entitled "Todays Dead Footballer"? μηδείς (talk) 15:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A regional sports figure? That region has over 300 million people, and over 50% of Wikipedia's readers. Also, the top story gets preference with pictures. ~DC Talk To Me 16:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Although he was a successful coach, it was not at the sport's highest level. Very little interest to anyone who doesn't follow college basketball (i.e. everyone outside the US, and a lot of people inside too). Nor was the death unexpected. Modest Genius talk 16:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - even in the US readership is significantly lower than 50% its still going to be pretty high and this guy sounds important. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 16:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, I personally don't think he's quite significant enough to warrant listing, especially since his death was at that age.  f o x  16:53, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: doesn't pass WP:ITN/DC at all. The only reason it's on the main page is the pro-American systemic bias that we all know is on ITN. Sceptre (talk) 17:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Dunno how you can apply WP:ITN/DC considering it is a discussion page. –Howard the Duck 19:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As the poster, I take great offence to being accused of a pro-American (or any) bias. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:22, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You might have to get used to it. :-D Baseless accusations directed at Main Page editors are quite common. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And admins in general! Ah well, I've heard worse. The pro-American bias claim is odd, though, since I display the flag of England on my userpage! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is a pro-American bias; there are plenty of deaths that didn't get on the main page (Pavarotti, Edmund Hillary, Michael Foot) who died not unexpectedly and were way more influential than Wooden. I'm pretty sure there was a guideline on the DYK instructions that "three items should be American". Sceptre (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per DC--Wikireader41 (talk) 19:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We really need to re-think the way we approach deaths on ITN. It's almost macabre that someone's death is the only part of their life that would have got them on ITN. Anyway, it is my view that there is no consensus (any more) to have this item on the template. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Quite unelegant way to post a news item with no consensus support. I'm very dissapointed. --Elekhh (talk) 22:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I do not think an American basketball coach is notable enough for ITN, even if he is considered the best of all time in his sport. If Scotty Bowman kicked the bucket tomorrow, then he goes up by this logic. I also question why the death of a 99 year old man is considered ITN worthy when countless times people have said "Their death was expected" when commenting on deaths. And at the very least, can we put up a few more words in the blurb to maybe say what this guy is notable for? Adding something like "Ten-time NCAA champion basketball coach John Wooden dies at age 99"? --PlasmaTwa2 01:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I cannot for the life of me see why he is in ITN. He is of regional, not international interest. Not at all suitable to be on ITN, and another example of the US-centrism of this international project. 86.159.193.198 (talk) 11:23, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Comment The article has had a tremendous amount if views that past 2 days, around 247k. For comparison, when the sitting Nigerian president died there were 67k views. –Howard the Duck 11:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is that the aim? By similar logic probably any porn "news" could get a higher number of hits. --Elekhh (talk) 12:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Comment I do wish people would stop bringing up popularity, page hits, and number of readers in these discussions. We decide these things by consensus and not votes for a reason; it's quality over quantity. In turn, just because one thing has a larger audience over another thing does not make it any more or less encyclopaedic in worth. If that were true ITN would be full of Hollywood gossip. Measuring popularity is the surest way to give power to the systemic bias that we are all so often are accused. --Monotonehell 12:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's fair to say that any story with the current lack of consensus (6 support, 7 oppose, 2 weak oppose !votes) would not be added to the template, were it not already there. I propose removing it. Modest Genius talk 13:21, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's a hard case to make- people generally don't show up to support items after posting, as it seems rather pointless, whereas objectors do chime in afterwards. Happens every time ITN puts up a story that some people don't like being up there for whatever reason. Courcelles (talk) 13:25, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Removed. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 4

June 4, 2010 (2010-06-04) (Friday)

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163 people die of lead poisoning

355 cases. I've started an article at Zamfara State lead poisoning epidemic but still requires needs expansion. --candle•wicke 19:15, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a little more to the article (as has Candlewicke) and it is looking reasonable now. Are there any supports/opposes for this? - Dumelow (talk) 20:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support a blurb that suitably reflects the slow-burning nature of the story (ie the deaths have occurred over weeks). --Mkativerata (talk) 20:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well we haven't had an update in 21 hours, so any good blurb suggestions? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The news event here is the discovery (or at least its announcement today) so it should be something like: "Nigerian health authorities state that a series of lead poisonings have killed at least 163 people since March". It can probably be improved but I can't think how at the moment - Dumelow (talk) 20:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, could the Floribert Chebeya nomination from yesterday be checked as well? --candle•wicke 21:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. The article looks OK now, it's time for an update and there have been no opposes - Dumelow (talk) 22:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Launch of Falcon 9

Falcon 9 performs its first mission. Hektor (talk) 06:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. BBC is currently saying the orbital parameters are uncertain but that it's definitely in orbit [27]. Suggest modifying the above blurb to mention the Dragon spacecraft somehow. '... carrying a test Dragon spacecraft' or similar? Modest Genius talk 21:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to see at least one ref in the launch section of the article before posting, but otherwise this is looking good - Dumelow (talk) 22:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It has been reffed now, posted. I haven't changed the pic yet (couldn't get the launch pic to look good at 100x100px), maybe we can have a pic of the dragon unit instead - Dumelow (talk) 08:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, just reffed the hell out of that section. I'm looking for a better picture... Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 08:26, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not a launch picture, but maybe [28] would work; it's CC-BY-SA-2.0, but it has not been uploaded to Commons yet. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 08:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Naoto Kan becomes Prime Minister of Japan

Elected by party room, awaiting formal appointment shortly.[29]--Mkativerata (talk) 03:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This should be a no-brainer to put up as soon as His Imperial Majesty makes it official. Courcelles (talk) 03:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely agree it should wait until then. The article has jumped the gun naming him PM, in my opinion.--Mkativerata (talk) 03:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious support Put it as soon as it is official. --yousaf465' 04:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The appointment as PM needs a vote in the Lower House of the Diet, which is expected very soon; possibly already happened, but English-language sources are reporting it yet. BBC still not calling him PM, that's probably as good a source as any to watch. Physchim62 (talk) 05:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And he's now been elected by the Diet. [30]--Mkativerata (talk) 06:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Support. The vote has happened, Kan is PM. Physchim62 (talk) 06:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. While he will be "sworn in" next week by the Emperor (in his own time, no doubt), it's the election by the Diet that we should post as the ITN event.--Mkativerata (talk) 06:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 3

June 3, 2010 (2010-06-03) (Thursday)

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  • The MARS-500 project begins, with six men - three Russians, two Europeans and a Chinese man - entering the sealed facility in Moscow where they will spend 18 months in isolation from the outside world. (BBC) (RIA Novosti)
  • The earliest surviving complete census of Ireland is made available online for the first time and reveals details on the early life of James Joyce as well as other famous writers and politicians. (The Irish Times) (RTÉ)

ITN candidates for June 3

Death of Floribert Chebeya

A leading activist since the 1990s dies in unusual circumstances. Amnesty International wants an investigation and the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights pays tribute. The death is reported outside Africa, including media in Europe and North America. --candle•wicke 01:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this being ignored? Ban Ki-moon and the United Nations now directly involved and the incident is receiving coverage outside the country. CNN as well. --candle•wicke 18:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Seems a significant event attracting a lot of international attention. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Does not seem to meet the death criteria; not enough on it's own ; and the article is very short, consisting almost entirely of reaction to his death. Modest Genius talk 21:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with MG. If the article was significantly longer, I could change my mind. --Tone 22:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There's not much in the article about who this guy actually was, which suggests he might not have been that significant. In any event, not significant enough in my view for ITN. If an investigation ties his death to someone big, that might be different. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MARS-500

Just throwing it out there for consideration. It seems like an interesting experiment, and I assume that it is the first of its kind. It isn't everyday that six people willingly put themselves in isolation for over a year. --PlasmaTwa2 00:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Article has 2 big ugly tags at the top of it though. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, once the article is brought up to scratch; it does need some work. Modest Genius talk 00:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The trouble is nobody knows if they will give up tomorrow or next week. It sounds like an achievement that would be clearer when completed and there would be some more perspective. --candle•wicke 01:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's certainly not going to end next week; they've already run a 105-day version and the whole point is to see what happens in the long term. Whilst you may have a point about featuring the completion of the experiment, that's sufficiently far in the future (18 months) that we can feature both. Modest Genius talk 21:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, let's wait. Before they surpass 105 days, this will only be a beginning of another experiment. When completed, that will be a full simulation. --Tone 22:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fire in Dhaka

Starting an article here.--Mkativerata (talk) 19:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support High death toll, etc. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
70. Obvious support. --candle•wicke 20:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article could use some work (jut sayin', I know it's brand new ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes unfortunately its only one AFP article that's being used by all news sources, so there's not much information to go on yet. This can be held until there is, of course. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Wikireader41 (talk) 21:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support the BBC are reporting an expected death toll of over 100. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Kovilan

I've decided to nominate this as it is nearly 24 hours and there is no other nomination. He seems to be important, brought change and worked over several decades. Wikipedia says he is "one of the most prolific writers of contemporary Indian Literature". The Gulf Times calls him "eminent". The Hindu describes him as "Writer-patriarch of Malayalam" and says he brought "a remarkable change in the way stories had been told in Malayalam literature". Lots of awards, including "the Kerala government's highest literary honour Ezhuthachan Puraskarom in 2006 in recognition of his contribution to Malaylam literature", the Kerala Sahitya Akademi award (1972 and 1977), the Kendra Sahitya Akademi award (1998), the Vayalar award (1999), a member of the Sahitya Akademi (India's National Academy of Letters). Press Trust of India says he completed 11 novels, 12 short story collections and 1 play. --candle•wicke 18:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 2

June 2, 2010 (2010-06-02) (Wednesday)

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Last of the Summer Wine

The BBC cancel Last of the Summer Wine, the longest-running sitcom in Britain and the world. (BBC)

I know there are more important events going on here, but I thought I would just mention this. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm sorry, June, I could get behind this in a slow news week... but this isn't a slow news week. Getting it ran as today's FA on the day the finale screens would be my suggestion. Courcelles (talk) 18:08, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I agree with Courcelles. It is not really a big news story. ISD (talk) 18:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know but I have been able to find sources saying it is.
    • The Press Association - "Last Of The Summer Wine has now run to more than 30 series and is the world's longest-running sitcom".
    • RTÉ - "The BBC has announced that its golden years comedy series 'Last of the Summer Wine', the world's longest-running TV sitcom, is to end".
Support. Guiding Light was posted. I know little about either of them. --candle•wicke 21:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning towards oppose. And as I see, what I wanted to say (maybe, if it was a slow news week) has already been presented. --Tone 21:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Per the article, the cancellation of the show was merely announced. The show is supposed to cease airing AFTER the current season (which has not begun) concludes. And we've seen in the past where networks have changed their minds about cancellations. Until the last episode runs, there is no reason to post this. However, when the last episode runs and the show has actually reached its conclusion, I will support. --Smashvilletalk 21:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, at least until the final episode airs. Also, I hadn't realised it was still running, thought it ended years ago! Modest Genius talk 14:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Three Czech parties form a coalition

The ODS, TOP 09, & Public Affairs form a coalition against the CSSD who won the most seats. I assume that Petr Nečas will become PM, since the ODS has the most seat, but that still hasn't been made official yet.[31]--Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 12:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Let's wait until the new PM is confirmed. --Tone 15:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Tone. It will be much simpler to run this when the PM is confirmed by reliable sources. I would support the story when that happens. Physchim62 (talk) 21:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclone Phet

Just a heads-up for a likely news story in the next 60 hours: Phet could make landfall directly on Karachi as a catergory 5 cyclone. ~AH1(TCU) 12:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until we have clear picture of it's aftermath. I was also thing of nominating it.--yousaf465' 18:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Should put it now on ITN.--Saki talk 20:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Cumbria shootings

Still on-going, perpetrator on the loose, BBC reporting "several" deaths, many injuries, all major UK news outlets reporting (Times, Guardian, ITN etc). Probably worth waiting until the situation stabilises but mass murder like this is a pretty rare event in the UK... The Rambling Man (talk) 12:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prime suspect's body now located in woodland, this article should now be relatively stable, just about all we're really missing is the number of victims/wounded. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

David Cameron just said at least 5 dead in his first ever Prime Minister's Questions. MickMacNee (talk) 14:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Possible heading: "Five deaths have been confirmed following a shooting spree by taxi driver Derrick Bird, including Bird himself, in west Cumbria, England." ISD (talk) 14:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Tone 15:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Police have confirmed 12 plus the perpertrator and 25 hospitalised. Leaky Caldron 16:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Updated. Still "at least" though because (a) 3 are critically injured and (b) the police are still searching for other victims. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Grand jirga

I think we can wait for the conclusion of the Jirga.Afghanistan opens much awaited peace jirga.--yousaf465' 06:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please, when you nominate an item, provide a target article and suggest the blurb. Otherwise you're just giving everyone some extra work. --Tone 08:11, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Replied on my talkpage, User talk:Yousaf465#WP:ITN.2FC--yousaf465' 18:26, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama resigns

According to local media reports, says BBC News 24. Seemingly about the US Base at Okinawa. MickMacNee (talk) 01:11, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support obviously. This is major international news.--Mkativerata (talk) 01:25, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The discussion below in the German President doesn't seem to have reached a conclusion as to whether resignations themselves are ITNR material, but I'm going to post this despite only having one support besides the nominator because this is an important item and I would think that the resignation of a head of government should be relatively uncontroversial. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Prime Ministers of Japan, 2006-2010
Support. I was just coming here to nominate this. Physchim62 (talk) 01:53, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding of the consensus (at it's only that) is that (1) if the new new PM is nominated quickly, we will add the nomination as a joint item; or (2) if it takes a while to find a new PM (unlikely but not impossible in Japan) we will post the new PM as a separate item. Physchim62 (talk) 01:57, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, head of government of a major power. As a general comment, a Japanese PM wields more political power than a German president. Modest Genius talk 02:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Modest Genius. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 03:33, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

June 1

June 1, 2010 (2010-06-01) (Tuesday)
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  • The Iranian ambassador in Baghdad says the recent release of two Iranians from Iraqi custody is not an indication of any impeding deal to free three Americans held in Tehran on spying charges since their capture in July 2009 while hiking in northern Iraq's mountainous Kurdish region. (USA Today)
  • The United States insists any Afghan peace deal must ensure women's rights as Afghanistan prepares to open a peace conference aimed at persuading Taliban leaders to put down their weapons. (USA Today)
  • Aftermath of the Gaza flotilla raid
    • Survivors of the Israeli assault on the Gaza-bound international aid flotilla return to Greece and Turkey, providing the first eyewitness accounts of the attack. (The Guardian) (BBC)
    • Israel announces it has imprisoned an official figure of 487 of the people it captured in its commando raid on the Gaza-bound international aid flotilla, while 48 others will be officially expelled after being brought into Israel by Israeli authorities yesterday. (The Sydney Morning Herald) (AFP)
    • Israel's ambassador to Denmark, Arthur Avnon, announces that the Israeli military had received rumours of a report which asserted a link between the flotilla and Al-Qaida. (FOX News) (News24)
    • Hundreds of Israelis gather outside the Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv in protest against Turkey's involvement in the Gaza flotilla. (Ynetnews)
    • Turks protest for a second day, marching in front of Istanbul's Israeli consulate, and several are arrested in Ankara after encountering police in front of the Israeli Embassy there. (ABC News)
    • Coalition parties in the Northern Ireland Assembly clash over the Israeli commando attack on the aid convoy. (The Belfast Telegraph)
    • Reports are released regarding the nationalities of those captured after the flotilla raid. (Asia One News) (The Age)
    • Reports are also released expressing concern for captured international journalists, including those from Aljazeera and Astro Awani, while media organisations are asked to act for the release of all journalists in Israeli custody and to request their freedom to practice their profession without pressure and harassment. (ArabNews) (NDTV)
    • Egypt announces that it will temporarily open its border with Gaza for aid. (AP via Fox News)
    • Turkey calls for sanctions against Israel. The United States, a permanent member of the UN Security Council, acts to mitigate the language of the Security Council's draft statement which condemned Israel's action "in the strongest terms", opting instead for one that requests an "impartial" investigation of the deaths and condemns the "acts" that led to it. (The Times)
    • Twenty Israeli trucks deliver cargo from the captured ships to the Gaza Strip via Kerem Shalom crossing. (YnetNews) (YouTube)

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ITN candidates for June 1

Lee Murray sentenced to 10 years

This was one of the biggest robberies of all time, and arguably the biggest conventional cash robbery. [32][33]. Apparently, "Another £153m was left behind because there was no room left in the getaway vehicle" !!!. MickMacNee (talk) 13:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Storm Agatha

Combining two entries, the storm with a raising death toll seems notable. I see it is already in the news, but how about updating it with the sinkhole info? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:08, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Andrey Voznesensky dies

He was acclaimed not in the entirely former Soviet Union, but in the rest of the world too. Please make a comment on this candidate.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Died of old age. No more or less top of his field than Bourgeois. MickMacNee (talk) 22:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Seems a fairly obvious inclusion and another who is arguably more notable than Hopper and at least on the same level as Salinger. His death is not just being reported in Russia either. The BBC describes him as "one of the most daring writers of the Soviet era". So different from other Soviet poetry that Nikita Khrushchev threatened to exile him, he filled stadiums (not the easiest thing for a poet to do). The New York Times says he travelled the world "serving as a sort of unofficial Kremlin cultural envoy". Xinhua describes him as "one of the greatest Russian poets of the 20th century [...] as popular as the Beatles [...] an icon of Soviet intellectuals". Too many deaths but I suppose it isn't their fault they led influential lives then all died at once. --candle•wicke 23:08, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Candlewicke makes a very convincing argument.--WaltCip (talk) 04:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On the JD Salinger comparison, I can say living here that in Russia Salinger's death was very widely reported as immediate front page news; Cather in the Rye is widely read in school here and he's basically a household name. I don't think Andrey Voznesensky is anywhere at the same level of recognition outside of Russia.--Johnsemlak (talk) 08:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have to dispute that. He filled stadiums. Salinger did not do that and his fame was based mainly on one book. But fame shouldn't really count for much either or ITN would be full of celebrity deaths. --candle•wicke 21:13, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any reason not to post this death? What else can a poet achieve? How many fill stadiums and have their deaths reported across Europe, North America and China? --candle•wicke 21:13, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to post. Can you suggest a good blurb or shall I post a generic one? --Tone 21:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Candlewicke -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Soviet and Russian poet and writer Andrey Voznesensky dies at home at the age of 77. Will that work? --candle•wicke 23:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stickies: Gulf of Mexico oil spill and World Cup

In the past, we have only used sticky links (links that stay up for a while) for Olympics. This is in contrast to some other Wikipedias, such as the French and German ones, which regularly use sticky links for long-term news events. I suggest we put up sticky links for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and 2010 FIFA World Cup. The World Cup one would stay up until the end of the final game, when it would be replaced with a regular link with the result. The oil spill link would stay up until they find a way to stop that thing from gushing. These links would be at the top or bottom of the template and would not have any text after them. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I suggested one for Expo 2010 on the talk page, though it didn't seem to attract much interest. We may also need one for Gaza flotilla raid but I suppose it is too early to tell if they can "stop that thing from gushing" either. ;) --candle•wicke 21:52, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why should we have stickies? that's the question for me! The curve of viewing figures for a standard story drops off over a period of 3–4 days. Occasionally we bump a story back up the list because we think it's important, but this almost never has a significant impact on the viewing figures. The exception that proves the rule was the swine flu story, which was posted on ITN several days before the "panic" began to set in, was bumped and ended up at two million daily hits for a couple of days (for comparison, the Gaza attack story got 61,000 hits yesterday, which would make it a 'good' story, but not exceptional in viewing figures). Physchim62 (talk) 22:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The good thing about stickies is it solves the question of what to do with topics that include several daily news "events" over a long period. Someone might look at ITN now and say, "Why isn't the oil spill on there?" It's the lead story in my newspaper." We might say, "We had it when the story broke," but of course it's still in the news. Using a sticky would allow us to keep a mention of it without having to update ITN with every intermediate event during the topic's lifetime ("Top Kill" failing, drilling moratorium, discovery of new plume, etc.) If you look at the viewership of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill article, you can see viewership has remained fairly strong, in contrast to a typical, one-off news story that surges and then dies away. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:23, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Horizon sticky. It would simply be American indulgence, and it could end up staying there for months. Support World Cup sticky. Obvious cat says that sticky is a pretty obvious one. MickMacNee (talk) 22:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I might have supported a sticky for Horizon last week, but I think it's just beginning to drop out of the headlines outside of the US now and if we were to leave it up until it was fixed, it could still e up there for months to come. I think the world cup sticky is a good idea- it obviously doesn't belong in a blurb until the end, but many thousands of people will be looking for it and it would be harmless at worst to give them a link to click straight from the Main Page. As to stickies in general, I think they're a good idea, but only for major, ongoing events that we can't keep bumping up the template- for example highly important elections (US Presidential and UK general elections in particular), global sports events like world cups but we shouldn't use them too often nor for too long and they should be decided on a case-by-case basis. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should take this to WT:ITN for the world cup and elections: neither of them are today/tomorrow urgent. Sadly, I don't think there are going to be enough day-to-day developemnts of the Horizon spill to make a sticky worthwhile (even on optimistic judgments of stickies). Physchim62 (talk) 23:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose oil spill item, as there really aren't enough ongoing events for it, and it smacks of witch-hunting. Weak support on the World Cup; it's a potentially useful feature which would work well, but the last Olympics (winter) didn't have one. Modest Genius talk 23:33, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Gulf Oil- this is hopefully the dying days of this thing being a daily headline. Support the World Cup- for 31 days, people are going to want to know the latest results, just as they did during the Olympics, which was indeed given such a placement for Vancouver. Courcelles (talk) 01:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake. Modest Genius talk 02:13, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Gulf oil item. Neutral on World cup, though it is one of the largest watched sporting event if my understanding is correct, but do we need stickies on ITN ? --yousaf465' 03:38, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
oppose Oil, per above. Support World Cup, per above. Sandman888 (talk) 12:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Spiderwoman

Well? --candle•wicke 03:20, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral (more of a comment than a !vote)- death at 98 isn't really "unexpected" though obviously still very sad, but the article isn't a complete mess and this seems to be attracting a lot of attention... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The extent to which deaths are covered on ITN is really a subjective judgement on which reasonable minds will differ. That is why we throw it to community consensus. I happen to think someone dying isn't ITN-worthy except in exceptional circumstances (eg a sitting head of state). That's just my view and if I'm in the minority here I'm fine with that.--Mkativerata (talk) 03:33, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article says she was an "inspiration for future generations of artists". --candle•wicke 03:42, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'm inclined to support. She seems quite an important figure, her death is attracting a fair bit of attention and the timer's red. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Sudden lack of nominations. :) World-renowned sculptor Louise Bourgeois dies in New York City at the age of 98. --candle•wicke 18:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the timer's no longer red... -- tariqabjotu 18:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, significant artist. However, I would encourage candlewicke to use a more informative title and nomination in future, since I expected this to be about a comic book character. Modest Genius talk 18:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's attention grabbing! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it would make sense to use the name she was known as. The name "Louise Bourgeois" probably means less to most of them. I don't usually read comic books. --candle•wicke 18:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
considering that tv/films only grew in last 50 years or so, we are going to start seeing a lot more deaths. this is the 3rd decently notable death in a week. need a better way to determine which ones should go up -- Ashish-g55 20:08, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We do have the death criteria.--WaltCip (talk) 20:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) This one is updated and has support - opposing because "98? C'mon."? How can anyone argue with that one? :-) J. D. Salinger was 91. I would argue that she more influential than Dennis Hopper as several possible future similar names were listed under his nomination and this woman appears to be quite unique in the art world. --candle•wicke 20:23, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Unique <> notable. Go find me the JD nomination and I'll tell you if I would have opposed or not, I cannot even remember if I voted in it or not. MickMacNee (talk) 22:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Undoubtedly notable as an individual, with a reasonable article and widespread coverage of her death. The subject doesn't quite fit my death criteria, but certainly doesn't make a mockery of them. Physchim62 (talk) 22:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Erm, did you edit the right nom? This lady wasn't an actor, she was an artist! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Something messed up my strike out. But this helps to make a point - if this makes it into the news, please avoid an entry that would confuse her with Spiderwoman. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Here's why. Her death has been reported around the world from the US & Canada to the UK to China. Xinhua says her themes "made her one of the world's most influential contemporary artists". And yes, she did have fame. So she was both famous and critically acclaimed. That is what makes her stand out as an artist and above the others. --candle•wicke 23:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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