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Give it a couple of hours until more information is known. If linked to the London car bombs from yesterday, then place both together. Ixistant16:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm doubtful we will know in a few days time let alone in a few hours whether or not these two events are linked (although I'm sure there will be no end of speculation). Nil Einne17:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I find it ironic that both these events have attracted so much attention but the flood which resulted in the biggest peace time rescue effort in Great Britain and over 1 billion pounds of damage is still languishing below with no one apparently that concerned about putting it up on ITN. Of course, if this does go up in a seperate heading, and we add the flood as well along with Gordon Brown and the earlier car bomb plot we will end up with 4 events concerning the UK on ITN Nil Einne17:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The flooding on Northern England was terrible, but it was not an attack but a natural disaster. Therefore I don't think it warrants coverage on the In the News section. Kitkatcrazy17:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly my point. I find it ironic that a large number of people including you are so deeply interested in this attack which may have closed down the airport but doesn't appear to have caused great injury other then perhaps to the person who set himself on fire and the bomb plot which appears to have been mostly a complete failure. However people don't seem to care about the flooding which resulted in 6? deaths, billions of pounds in damage and the biggest ever peace time rescue effort in the United Kingdom Nil Einne17:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The time for the flooding to appear on the main page has passed; if it was going to have gone on the main page it would have happened days ago. You should therefore drop the argument that it is more important. With the Glasgow incident, I think wikipedia is already behind - many of the largest international news networks and their websites already feature it as a top story, regardless of how many people have been injured or killed. Kitkatcrazy18:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is NOT a news service. If you're looking at keeping up with breaking news have a look at Wikinews. Wikinews was forked from Wikipedia for exactly that reason. (Also the Floods are just as worthy of an ITN entry) --Monotonehell20:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the original reason the flooding was not added (I presume) was because the article was not up to scratch. It has since been fixed (although the lack of work on the article is part of what I was commentating on). There is no requirement that something must be added to ITN within a day or two of it occuring (as Monotonehell has said, this isn't wikinews). As the flooding happened on the 25th and the reform treat was also on the 25th (Chemical Ali 24th) there is definitely still space for it although it seems unlikely it's going to appear now. In any case, I've updated the headline for better emphasis. Nil Einne10:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An attempted bombing in London is very notable. The last time anyone bombed London, in excess of 50 people died (counting the failed attack shortly afterwards as part of the larger thing). Blood Red Sandman(Talk)(Contribs)16:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and remove. Non-notable. We would have to list every car bomb everywhere if this is to stay. -- Catchi? 20:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Oppose: The item might possibly have been notable if the bomb actually detonated (or if the terrorists screwed up thanks to the London Police). --Camptown22:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This really is not notable. If it exploded, then it would make it on. But a simple car bomb or two... Blood Red Sandman, are you saying that if they found a car bomb in Calgary, we should put it in because Calgary/Canada hasn't had a terrorist attack in who-knows-when? --Plasma Twa 223:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I say yeah, actually. No matter how easy it theoreticaly is, terrorists don't seem to do it in such places very often; instead it's all the Middle East, Turkey, Russia, etc (<- and not even the last 2 of those all that often). But the UK? Or, for that matter, most of the rest of Europe? The US? Canada? nope. Blood Red Sandman(Talk)(Contribs)10:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is notable that there were a major islamic terrorist attack attempt in Europe. That happens relatively rarely, but is an area with much focus. Thue | talk23:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this is a very notable event, but nothing has been made public about the background of the culprits. There is not enough information to call this "a major islamic terrorist attack attempt", all we know is that there was a bomb plot. AecisBrievenbus23:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, you are right, I am jumping to conclusions about the islamic connection. Still notable though, and I am willing to bet 10 to 1 that an islamic connection will be found... Thue | talk12:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've embolded the article although the headline perhaps should concentrate on the 1 billion property damage or the biggest peace time rescue effort IMHO Nil Einne17:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Flooding in the United Kingdom leads to the biggest rescue effort in peacetime Britain and results in billions of pounds of damage
I've update the headline for the better emphasis but it seems unlikely this is going to appear now even if there is still space for it (it happened on the 25th) Nil Einne10:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bear in mind this is just the American lower-48 endangered species list. There've been no shortage of eagles in Canada and Alaska for some time, IIRC. The Tom18:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In general I oppose non-political ITN items, but this is a hugely important find for both archaeology and studies in ancient history. Definitely should make it up there 24.118.45.5
The BBC states that "Mr Hawass has set up a DNA lab near the museum with an international team of scientists to verify the identification." [1] I'd rather we await the verified results of those tests. AecisBrievenbus01:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Aecis, has this been substantiated yet? Mr. Hawass is obviously a man of great repute (from reading his article at least), but if this does turn out to be nothing, we'll have been suckered in. Maybe hold off on this until that verification is completed. Thethinredline03:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The wreckage of PMTair Flight U4 241, which has been missing two days, is discovered in Cambodia, with all 22 on board dead.
I feel that Tony Blair's move to the position of Middle East envoy should be included with this entry. It is a very big event in terms of international politics and the fate of the Palestinian government. See the BBC article here. Perhaps it could be rewritten, "Gordon Brown succeeds Tony Blair as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, while the latter is assigned Middle East envoy for the UN", though preferably something more elegant than I can muster. Djlayton4 | talk | contribs01:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't care if this is ITN-worthy, but this fits the criteria rather well... I caution though, it may be a gimmick but it seems highly unlikely. --HowardtheDuck00:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Huge loss to millions of wrestling fans worldwide, the city of Edmonton, the city of Atlanta, World Wrestling Entertainment... I say it should be on, but compared to everything else it seems somewhat minor... I'll endorse it, regardless... --Plasma Twa 200:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And I ask why? Rule #5 on the criteria states "A death should only be placed on ITN if it meets one of the following criteria:". Number three is "the deceased was a key figure in their field of expertise, and died unexpectedly or tragically". --Plasma Twa 201:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see "the deceased was a key figure in their field of expertise" being the troublesome part. Pro wrestling is undoubtably a big industry. Benoit was known to millions of people and his image was printed on thousands of T-shirts in Wal-Marts across America. I'm trying to conjure up analogous situations in my mind to this occurring in "real" sport or in "real" acting and I'm not really sure where it would fall, hence my own undecidedness. I'm just getting visions of the Anna Nicole Smith debate occurring all over again. The Tom02:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Are people serious? The death may be unexpected, but he is hardly a figure of international importance or prestige. Even in the USA, none of the major stations are reporting it. Hell, Anna Nicole Smith better fit the criteria. Her death was unexpected and covered by every news agency in the country. If the only things this article has going for it are the unexpectedness factor and the fact that he was one of MANY wrestlers in the industry then I have no choice but to DISAPPROVE. If we do it this time, then every time someone from a major sport commits a murder or murder-suicide, we will have to do it. And the article also does not have enough clear info about what happened. That also factors into my decision. The great kawa07:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The difference between him and every other wrestler that has died recently is that Chris Benoit was one of the top wrestlers in the world. He wasn't just some random wrestler from the indy circuit, he was one of the most respected and successful wrestlers in the WWE. And the only reason there is no info is because they aren't releasing any info on what happened until Tuesday. --Plasma Twa 207:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
With all that has been revealed today, I think we should change the original nomination. It needs to say that it was a murder-suicide, at least... --Plasma Twa 217:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You do the amendment, I'm too much "out of the loop" on this one. And no-one can see another murder-suicide by a sports star in recent memory. --HowardtheDuck01:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. This story is recieving huge coverage right now in Canada. I don't know about America other than CNN, Fox and MSNBC, but up here it is being covered by every network.
I don't know about this. Even in wrestling, was he really such a key figure? From what I can tell from his page, he had lots of awards and stuff in 2004 but none since then suggesting to me he was no longer such a key figure in wrestling. Could he still be considered say to be in the top 5 of pro-wrestling? Nil Einne18:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While this case has certainly gotten press coverage, is this a particularly influential decision? And is it of international relevance? Not saying yea or nay on inclusion, just curious. The Tom01:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would say it's influential, most of the free speech stuff is. Besides, ITN is looking a little "European" and "Middle Eastern" right now. FireSpike01:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, to be fair, the only legal decisions we ever tend to post are American ones. Now, there's nothing wrong with that--there seems to be a community of folks who do rather detailed articles from scratch on SCOTUS decisions, so fair dues to them. I just can't see this being a major legal watershed moment that changes the direction of American law, or prompts immediate political fallout, or whatever. Of course, I may be wrong here. The Tom02:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am in no hurry, however. I would prefer to wait until June 27 when Brown actually replaces Blair as Prime Minister. That event has more international significance. Zzyzx11(Talk)23:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would say no to this, but yes to when Brown takes over as Prime Minister. While I am not at all familiar with mechanics of British politics, it seems to me that the shifting of political party leaders is pretty insignificant in the overall scheme of things. Of course the highest political office of a G8 country changing hands is highly significant and should receive ITN mention. Thethinredline15:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable because qualifying for the CONCACAF cup is not such a big thing. Perhaps if it were a major upset say Sint Maarten qualifying then maybe. Even the Cup is only just barely ITN worthy IMHO. Nil Einne18:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I guess since FIFAROFLLOL.. that soccer comp that comes around every 4 years or so is fed from the six organisations in the image, we could consider each FINAL of each one notable enough? --Monotonehell11:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you'll ask me, the only intercontinetal tournament that is notable enough for ITN is the European Championships. The Confederations Cup is like a filler of sorts while the World Cup is in hiatus. --HowardtheDuck13:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't know about this one. Reverting the official name of a small island to an earlier usage doesn't seem that significant to me even if that island has the historical background of Iwo Jima/To. Nil Einne21:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's important to baseball, and sports... But, it's not something like a championship. While it's notable, I don't think it really has a huge effect on the world. --Plasma Twa 205:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely not internationally noteworthy. It's an record in an American league, and it isnt a first. I don't see how this is of any importance, or even really interest to people who aren't ardent baseball fans
Fair enough. For the recourd I do not to see that on the main page due to the possibility that he cheated. But I guess this is as good time as any to ask if Alex Rodriguez becoming the yonugest player to hit 500 home runs would be notable enough. Buc15:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I don't think these youngest player issues are significant enough. If Alex Rodriguez eventually breaks the record for most home runs by anyone then perhaps. Louis Hamilton has recently broken a number of firsts & youngest stuff but the consensus is to only mention if he wins the F1 (although this would be an individual victory unlike team sports where there are obviously no individual victories) Nil Einne21:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Baseball is a widely played sport, and so if a really significant record were broken, it should be taken under consideration. That said, i really don't see why the 5th man to a particular non-record benchmark in home runs is worth a main page mention. This might just make Current Sports, but certainly not ITN. Thethinredline14:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I believe we had a similar discussion when someone achieved some milestone in cricket recently. Can't remember who or what the milestone was but it may have been when Shane Warne achieve the all rounders triple in Tests (3000 runs, 300 wickets). The consensus this IIRC was it wasn't significant enough as there have been 5 others. Nil Einne21:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I don't really see how someone becoming the fifth person to do something is notable enough to be put here. If he was the first to do so, it might be different though. Ygoloxelfer10:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An item of significant international interest, despite being a 'preliminary study'. It's also from a reputable body and, in view of the differential between the nations, likely to be confirmed in due course. Gralo13:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think this should be put on the front page, it's much more important and newsworthy than golf or basketball. This comment was added by User:24.118.45.5 18:52, 20 June 2007
What is the deal with that Operation Arrowhead Ripper article when currently over half of it consists of uncited quotes? It still needs some cleanup. It currently looks more like a poorly written news article than an encyclopedic one.Zzyzx11(Talk)14:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's notable enough, sorry. This is tragic, but isn't of international interest and is not a record number (since there have been larger losses before 9/11). The criteria is very stringent as to what can be qualified as ITN worthy. The great kawa01:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Call me a stupid American who is use to shootings like this, but please convince me how this event has some international significance/interest when there is only one death, two injuries, and the 2007 Melbourne CBD shootings article currently does not mention much about a massive manhunt throughout the city. Thanks. Zzyzx11(Talk)03:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
One of those critically injured is a Dutch tourist? No, I tend to agree with you, this is an article of mostly Australian interest. Also it's news not encyclopedic material. --Monotonehell12:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is major news in Australia but probably not enough to be considered international interest. The fact that it's more of an everyday event in some countries like the US doesn't change that. Nil Einne15:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even though I'm a compatriot of one of the victims, I think this does not meet the muster. There is a very small level of international interest, which is only due to the fact that one of the victims is non-Australian. This is a relatively minor event, too small for ITN. Also, as outlined above, it's more WikiNews material than Wikipedia material. Cows fly kites(Aecis)Rule/Contributions16:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really see how this is not major news, but something like the shootings in Virginia are. Either way, it's a major news story in Australia, but I don't think it needs to be on. --Plasma Twa 219:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
One of the difference is a body count. The Virginia Tech shooting was the deadliest non-war shooting in American history, perhaps even in world history. That's the difference between that shooting and this shooting, and between that shooting and many other shootings in the US and abroad. AecisBrievenbus21:20, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How is basketball of "international importance, or at least interest." I don't think it belongs anywhere in the news section, but it certainly doesn't belong on the main page. It should be removed unless someone can explain why an American championship in a sport played mostly by Americans is internationally noteworthy EtTuMercader
It should be added that the Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas has dissolved the Palestinian government and declared a state of emergency.(AP) That's better than the vague "intensifying". nadav (talk) 21:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I second the above. That is technically what happened and is what is being reported abroad. The dissolving of a government is no small deal. The great kawa09:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've added this item, although I put the emphasis on Shimon Peres since that appears to have more updates. Additionally, a picture of Peres would probably be more useful than that of a flag of Israel, with which many people are already familiar. -- tariqabjotu17:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
why has the image discussion halted the news addition process? The news from Gaza can go in with the Peres photo too.... --TheFEARgod (Ч) 17:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm on the fence about whether this truly belongs on ITN; it seems quite vague and we're not really desperate for new news at this point (unlike how it was last week). You're essentially saying the conflict continues, without tying the story to a specific event (compare to The War in Iraq continues, with [x] additional deaths.). -- tariqabjotu17:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Generally speaking, we act indepedently from the commons when it comes to licensing. If an image on the commons has dubious licensing, we don't need to wait until someone get's around to nominating it for deletion. We stop using it and we especially don't use it on the main page. If an image is nominated for deletion on the commons but somehow survives, then of course we will consider what was discussed there but so far, it simply hasn't been deleted yet Nil Einne15:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
oops sorry for the external link, thought it might be relevent as there is a "south Thailand insurgency" section in "ongoing conflicts" ok if it is not noteworthy skip it, 13 schools set on fire almost simultaneously seems notworthy to me though...John Doe or Jane Doe11:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This seriously needs to be put up, I don't know why it isn't yet, it's a interesting case and a wierd one as well but this really needs to be put up in the INT. The article is thoroughly updated and it was up in the INT at first and so people needs to know the ending of the case!--THUGCHILDz02:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is! It was said he died because of natural causes by the Scotland Yard but I didn't bring it up because it wasn't yet confirmed by the Jamaican police, even though it was the Scotland yard who was helping them the most. But now it is confirmed by the Jamaican police and a shameful performance by them making a mockery of the case. It's been said for a long time now, it's real, and now it's official with confirmation by the Jamaican police who were handleing the case and called it murder at 1st! I don't know what else is need for this to go up. Why is this not being put up?!?--THUGCHILDz18:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I can't speak for others, but I just didn't feel it met the notability criterion. I might guess that others felt the same way. The Tom19:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, it should've been put up, since this is a legit update and ITN had this item a few months ago. It could've provided closure on the case so people knew how the issue ended. --HowardtheDuck11:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, but the stub was posted by an administrator who is not very involved in ITN nominations. Anyway, I hope you are not bitter by losing the battle of the fan attack scandal, you poor Chelsea fan... ;) Camptown19:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Better call the Liverpool fans, CFC fans are wussies :p Actually, when I checked that article, there was no stub template but its was still short. Nevertheless, it is still news so it'll count. --HowardtheDuck04:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the {{update}} tag, because the relevant sections (the lead and Results) have been updated. I have kept the stub tag in place, I'll let someone else be the judge of that. AecisBrievenbus00:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Currently, the "In the News" section actually says that the alliance "wins control" of parliament. Total nonsense, as far as I can make out, as they're nowhere near a majority - winning the election, while a weasel term, is arguably correct. Winning control is correct only if a majority is won. RandomP09:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd disagree with the use of "plurality" - by itself, in a multi-party system (with significantly more than two parties), a plurality is hardly news - while many countries adopt the Westminster system's habit of the plurality party naming the PM, many others don't. Let's say he's expected to be PM, which is generally true, doesn't send people looking up a little-used word, and isn't saying more than the (complicated) result does. RandomP09:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit confused here. From what I can understand, the plurality of the alliance is significant because they're expect to form the government. If so, then I don't see why we shouldn't use the word and mention they won a plurality. If the alliance had a plurality but was not expected to form the goverment then I would agree, it's questionable if there is any point mentioning it but in this case they did, so I don't get what the issue is. I think he key issue here is that in most countries, who becomes PM is often not as important as which party leads the government (whether minority or coalition). So just mentioning who is expected to become PM is usually unwise IMHO. If we aren't going to mention who win's the plurality then we shouldn't mention it period IMHO. It's a bit silly to mention who won the plurality but using unnecessarily complicated wording to avoid using the word plurality. In this case, since we are mentioning the alliance won the plurality, I don't see any reason not to use the word. Nil Einne10:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Quite surprisingly, Didier Reynders of MR has been appointed informateur of the new cabinet. The reason is that the liberal parties have 41 seats in the new parliament, while the christian-democratic parties have 40 seats. It is nonetheless expected that Leterme will form the new government and become the new Prime Minister. Cows fly kites(Aecis)Rule/Contributions13:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly second this. If we really need local sports events in ITN, can we at least have these removed quicker, please? It's now in ITN for four (!) days. - Cheers, MikeZ13:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't think this to merit ITN inclusion (absent exceptional circumstances, only the result of the ultimate competition [or major championship] of a sport ought even to be considered for ITN mention; although F1 is a rather prominent international sporting series, I don't think a happening such as this to be exceptional, and I'm inclined to think it to be rather trivial and in any event much too constructedly crufty for ITN), but I imagine one may at least want to consider it. Joe01:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
When the last time a person of black ancestry won an F1 race and at the same time leads the points standings? Never. If this is not exceptional, I don't know what is. Maybe some random fan charging towards the football pitch, but I've seen that many times already... --HowardtheDuck12:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
His ethnicity is not relevant. He has only won one race- when he wins the championship it will be a suitable story for ITN. Badgerpatrol12:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There will always be a dearth of some group in some activity. That's life. There's also a dearth of people with nine fingers in F1, or with 11 toes. Hamilton's skin colour is not relevant as far as ITN is concerned. AecisBrievenbus18:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's stupid to compare skin color with the number of toes or fingers. You might as well call non-Caucasians abnormally-formed people or something. --HowardtheDuck05:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Monotonehell has a point, but I believe nonetheless that what Federer didn't achieve might be significant enough to mention. I also think that we should include Justine Henin winning the women's tournament. AecisBrievenbus01:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The punishment is surprizingly hard, including that Denmark has to play the four remaining home games outside the country, one of which shall be played behind closed doors... Camptown22:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That does not matter. Actually what looks bad is the possibility that a new user will click on the bolded link from the main page and see that big "This article is being considered for deletion" tag. Zzyzx11(Talk)22:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The area inside the circle is the area where the Danish team is prohibited to play. And do I have a feeling the insistence of this to be included is "to balance" the Stanley Cup news? Bad news kids, the 2007 NBA Finals is ongoing and will conclude really soon. --HowardtheDuck15:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't strike me of much international interest. Yes I know we had the Shilpa Shetty controversy last year but that was only after the reaction from within India that made it of international interest Nil Einne05:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The bolded article hasn't been updated. It's still written in present tense, there isn't a summary on the last game and the stats are old. Usually the stanley cup winner has been included, but it won't get on the main page in that state. - Bobet10:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I also strongly endorse this (which another event is of such an importance from international point of view?) And for the topics discussed there I would like to not omit the arising tension between Russia and the West ! (BBC23) ReoON | +++20:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse, the highlighted article is detailed, and a Google news search for "Louis Vuitton" or "America's Cup" shows widespread news coverage.-gadfium01:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
From the article "The Louis Vuitton Cup 2007 is the preceding event to the 2007 America's Cup," - General practice is to only include the ultimate result of any one particular sport. In this case I'm guessing it would be at least the actual America's Cup? --Monotonehell01:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And so what? What is the minimal acceptable size of a news article? I can't see a guideline that would justify your circumspection. --Ghirla-трёп-15:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not putting an article up on there that lacks citations and references. I meant to say that only threereferences are cited. ITN's original purpose is to showcase encyclopedia articles on the main page on topics recently in the news, not news articles. Thanks. Zzyzx11(Talk)15:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Surprisingly this isn't mentioned in the guidelines, I always thought it was but there is a general consensus an article must be substanially updated to qualify for ITN. This is sometimes ignored (but there is usually controversy when it is) but it appears to be the general consensus. As to what a subtanial update is, well it's difficult to say but in general a paragraph of resonable length would be required. As Zzy has mentioned, the updated bit should also be reasonably well referenced and there is no such thing as 'news' articles. We are an encylopaedia, wikinews is the place for news articles. Nil Einne15:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So now you admit that there is no guideline I was expected to follow? I don't care about vague and hollow terms such as "general consensus", really. Even if the guideline existed, it should have been revised because it does not hold water. We talk about news here, not featured articles. News are expected to be fresh rather than complete. That's what ITN is about and that what it spectacularly fails to live up to. The information featured in the template is stale, the blurbs are insipid. They fail to attract interest of our readers, let alone "showcase" the project. --Ghirla-трёп-16:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Wikipedia Guidelines are built on established consensus. The established consensus on the purpose of ITN is to highlight substantially updated encylopedia articles whose topic is current in the attention of the International Media. Because of the section's name "In The News" your assumption is a commonly made. No need to be defensive about it, a lot of others have made the same mistake. --Monotonehell16:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The key point here IMHO is as Monotonehell has already explained, even if the guideline is unwritten, it is the established consensus. No one is blaming anyone for not being aware of the unwritten guideline, we're simply trying to make people aware of it. And we're also saying is that as it's the consensus it's not going to be ignored until and unless there is an established consensus to change the guideline. The way to change the guideline is the same way to change all guidelines and that is to discuss it on the talk page (where discussion is already taking place). Note also I never suggested that an article has to be FA quality to be on ITN. There is a vast difference between a substanial update and FA quality. Also you may be interested to know that in every section of the main page we currently expect resonable quality articles, not just ITN. Nil Einne05:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Your response fails to address my concerns. Instead, you coined the term "unwritten guidelines" to justify your behaviour towards ITN newbies. I'm not impressed with that at all. --Ghirla-трёп-12:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also in terms of showcasing the project, the question surely has to be asked does mentioning something on ITN but linking to an article with virtually no information about what we're mentioning really showcase the project well anyway? Nil Einne05:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What is the article with "virtually no information" that you allude to? The article I have in mind contains all information that is available at the moment. --Ghirla-трёп-12:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support the inclusion of this item if and when the article is brought up to standard. It needs a bit more background and possibly some references. --Monotonehell 17:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC) Sadly, it looks like we wont hear much more until the expedition reports at the end of June/ start of July. --Monotonehell17:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It could probably be expanded before then, but it depends whether people want it as an ITN, DYK, or even (eventually) a featured article. I'd love to see this on the Main Page, as I agree in principle with Ghirla's "elections are boring" comments, and I say that in the nicest possible way. Carcharoth16:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support this entry. The story is pending news as we are waiting for the final decision; a decision which is expected to have important consequences for Danish soccer. The scandal itself is also unique, as the Danes have choosen a system with low security in international sporting events. Bondkaka09:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That seems to be a good idea, although I think that this is a worthy candidate already. After all, the incident is probably the first time in history a European championship soccer qualifier has been abandoned due to supporter violence. Odengatan22:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect the conclusion of qualifications won't even appear on ITN, so why does this minor events gets to appear on ITN? It's not somebody got killed, isn't it? And we've too much of soccer news already. --HowardtheDuck07:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I added this entry before, I strongly believe this should be re added, even though I realise that business topics have less priority here. The discussion is here: [4] ... JACOPLANE • 2007-07-3 23:15
