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Nomination for deletion of Template:Gloria Krug W75 Weight Pentathlon

Template:Gloria Krug W75 Weight Pentathlon has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 13:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Williams record has been surpased by Williams?

what do you mean here? I don't understand how a record by Williams is surpassed by Williams? did you mean to update the record? it's still in use in the European article. Frietjes (talk) 21:56, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

This original template was for her performance 5169 points at the 2005 World Masters Athletics Championships. Later I discovered the actual results covered in the record were from the meet in Poznan which (I should add) were 5313 points from the European Veterans Athletics Championships a year later.Trackinfo (talk) 22:18, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I see, so you basically blanked it without replacing or fixing it. I have replaced it in the article until someone has a chance to update it. Frietjes (talk) 15:25, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

I replaced it with the event specific template embedded in the two appropriate mainspace articles. The original, the one I blanked, was mooted by the superior record. Trackinfo (talk) 19:27, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Jermone Davis

Hello Trackinfo. I am wondering why you reverted my edit to Sherman E. Burroughs High School. The subject of the portion I removed, Jermone Davis, is not notable. Collegiate athletes are not inherently notable, and he does not have an article - or even a source. From a look at your recent user contributions, you removed two non-notable entries from high schools yourself, with the edit summary "Not notable, write and establish the article first." Is there a reason that same logic does not apply to Jermone Davis? --Kbabej (talk) 21:08, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

I'll make sure to do my due diligence re: removing non-notable entries going forward. Thanks for your patience with me. Keep up the good work. --Kbabej (talk) 04:28, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for taking it in the positive light intended. Trackinfo (talk) 06:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Impeachment March -

Hello! You participated in a discussion about merging the Not My Presidents Day article. I was wondering if you'd be interested in sharing your thoughts on the proposed merge of Impeachment March into the Efforts to impeach Donald Trump article? If you're not interested, no problem. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:47, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I commented 9 days ago. Trackinfo (talk) 23:35, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Ah! I'm so sorry. I was just trying to invite more participation, and clearly not double checking my efforts. Thanks for contributing to the discussion already. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:10, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

2017 World Athletics Championships

I'm no wikipedia expert, but from what I've seen over the last few days a lot of the content you've added is overtly journalistic as opposed to encyclopedic. However, clearly you are a very well informed individual, with a great deal of value to add... I really value your insight into each and every event, I just think the journalistic 'flair' needs to be toned down a notch or eleven. Let it be said here that I value your input immensely - but please consider thinking a tad more before you post as to whether what you're adding is encyclopedic and is includes relevant context.Rolapib (talk) 04:14, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Context is exactly the point I am trying to cover here. There is a lot more to the details of this sport than who crossed the line first. The statistical details of each event is below on each article, in the (now called "Summary," not my word for it) I am trying to tell the story. I use descriptive words, I cover the subtext. You will discover that most of the descriptions and points I make are also picked up by the informed journalists. If you compare what I write with, not just one source, but probably as many as four sources covering the same event, you'll find just about everything is consistent with coverage of this sport, because it is significant to the event. Trackinfo (talk) 04:25, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I think we're violently agreeing in the main...noting that I'm no wikipedia Manual of Anything expert...I just think that 1) as this is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper, we should stick to the facts and lose the fluffy stuff (he popped one out!), and 2) whereas I see your intent is to add some useful context to the articles, I think it's worth taking a quick step back to consider whether it's being added with appropriate context... I appreciate that others have dictated the Summary section over the Analysis section - but it all still needs to make sense to the lay person regardless... if we end up with a single summary section fr the entire article, surely it should summarise the entire event (heats, semis, final) not just the final???Rolapib (talk) 04:38, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

regarding your sources point... i accept that, but please add those citations to avoid unnecessary reverts (not by me I may say)Rolapib (talk) 04:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

PS: as you may have guessed... I'm a format and consistency guy, not a journalist... I'm just trying to make these articles clear, accurate and consistent...I'm sure I'm making lots of mistakes myself, which i'm happy to hear about... any 'feedback' i'm giving is genuinely only for the greater good! (I think)Rolapib (talk) 04:51, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I make minor edits to the statistics when I see problems, but frankly I don't see many. You and your cohorts have that handled very well. I try to write what isn't written in the statistics, and I try to get it posted before fans write illiterate peacock promotion of their heroes' success. Trackinfo (talk) 05:02, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Cool!Rolapib (talk) 05:36, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Paul Warfield – high school broad jump championships

I'm having trouble figuring out how many times Paul Warfield was the "state broad jump champion" in high school. I know almost nothing of how these champions are determined, if there can be more than one champion in a given year, etc. All I'm concerned with is whether I can say he was a one-time, two-time, or three-time state champion. I know I can say he was at least once, in 1957. Could you figure out if he was the state champion in 1958 and 1959 as well? I can provide some clippings that seem to suggest he was if you don't have access to Newspapers.com. Thanks, Lizard (talk) 02:58, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

You are on the right path. I don't know any magic sources for Ohio. Many states have somebody keep their historical records. I'd start with the Ohio High School Athletic Association. check here for a leaping off point. From that notation, I will deduce he was still playing football at Warren in 1958. So he won as a junior or earlier. 1958, he was about to turn 16, meaning he graduated in 1960. Based on his birthdate, in California, he would be graduating at age 17 and a half, meaning that would be a sophomore year. If someone wins as an underclassman, it is highly likely they will win again and possibly other events as well as they get older. Obviously Warfield was such an exceptional athlete. Curious you just edited an article about the leader of my favorite but obscure prog rock ban Camel. Trackinfo (talk) 07:12, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, he played varsity sports at Warren from 1957 to 1959. I suppose I'll just try to be as general as possible in the article. And as a fan of prog rock your Camel userbox caught my eye. "Lady Fantasy" is one of the greatest prog songs ever written. Lizard (talk) 14:41, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

The sport is Athletics or Track & Field? The specialization is 100 m + 4x100 m relay or is right Sprinting?

Can I have your opinion here please? --Kasper2006 (talk) 13:23, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Another question sorry. Is correct to delete the results of International competition (section Achievements) that have the links at Wikipedia pages? Like this roll back for example. --Kasper2006 (talk) 17:04, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

You can split the text into two questions. About T&F, that seems to be a US thing, others all (?) speak of athletics. For example 'Athletics Canada', 'IAAF', 'WMA', 'European athletics', 'British athletics' and many others. WeiaR (talk) 18:53, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Adding categories

Please, when you create a new category, it's really important that you add categories to it, so that people and maintenance bots can find it. Also the act of looking for suitable categories to add it to will help you understand the current structure of the category hierarchy. So for instance, if you had tried to add categories to Category:Kenyan cross country runners you would have found that we already have Category:Kenyan long-distance runners with which there would be a lot of duplication. Also you would have found that we don't really have categories specifically for cross country runners - although we do have categories for eg winners of specific cross country championships. I'm not going to take it to WP:CFD myself, but you should be aware that there's a good chance that other people may be rather more hard-line about duplicate categories.... Cheers Le Deluge (talk) 17:52, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

There might be duplication with some members of Category:Kenyan long-distance runners but there is not total duplication. While all cross country runners would by definition be long distance runners, only a smaller subset would be cross country runners, Kenya or anywhere. I believe, without exception, all of the Kenyan cross country runners I linked were world championship medalists. The logic of duplication you express would mean Category:Living people would wipe out a majority of categories. Trackinfo (talk) 18:06, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

No, because the first question to ask is "Does this category need subdividing?" Clearly Category:Living people should be subdivided, but in general people tend to WP:Overcategorization and make categories too small. OK, Category:Kenyan long-distance runners is one the large side but not unmanageably so - and you have to think of all the other national LDR categories, most of which will be much smaller than Kenya. But yes, maybe there's scope for a split. The next question is there a way to split it that is "clean" (like male/female) and fairly equal (I don't like splitting the UK for categories other than eg politics and football, as England has 80% of the population so the England category still ends up too big). Cross country fails on both counts - it's not a "clean" split as the vast majority of LDRs will have done some cross country at some point, and so can be called "cross country runners" depending on where you draw the line. Even Mo Farah has won cross country titles, but absolutely noone has ever called him a cross country runner. You should also look at WP:DEFINING - it's a pretty good rule that if cross country doesn't get mentioned in the first paragraph of an article, then it's not a significant part of their career. I've looked at several articles and they all start "X is a road racer" or "X is a LDR". Cross country just isn't defining for most of these people - and most of them have too many categories as it is, no more than 2-3 categories are necessary. One way to make it more precise would be to categorise in terms of titles - but see WP:OCAWARD. And there's no need to do intersections like that with categories, there are tools such as Petscan that can work out the intersection of eg Kenyan LDRs and African Games medallists. So I just don't see a huge need for the category, the parent doesn't urgently need splitting, it doesn't divide its parent evenly, the criteria are fuzzy and Petscan can do a lot of the work. Plus it's a huge amount of work for you to do, when I'm sure you could be more productive working on the articles themselves. Le Deluge (talk) 02:44, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Only if you do for a country you should do it for everyone. Why not Category:German cross country runners? --Kasper2006 (talk) 07:46, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

That could be a possibility. I happened on Kenya because they have such a record of success on the global scale. As I said above, I populated it with just World Championship medalists. Germany does not have that kind of track record in recent years. Scanning quickly Germany would populate the category with just two equally qualified individuals. The World Cross Country Championships has only existed since 1973, East African dominance began evolving in 1981, first with Ethiopia (which certainly deserves its own category) and by 1985, Kenya had its first champion, the following year it had its first individual men's champion and team championship. Like Category:Kenyan male steeplechase runners and Category:Kenyan male marathon runners it is a sub-specialty that not all long distance runners are part of. Yes this category could be broken down further by gender. Trackinfo (talk) 18:29, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

If you intend the category to be Category:Kenyan medallists at the World Cross Country Championships then that's what it should be called. At least it has precise criteria for entry, even if it probably represents overcategorisation per WP:OCAWARD. But that's a different thing to Category:Kenyan cross country runners which has no real criteria for entry and fails WP:OVERLAP. But never mind the technicalities, you should have a good think about what you're trying to achieve with all these categories - categories are not the same as metatags on a blog, and these athlete articles generally have too many categories already. You really should have a good read of WP:Overcategorization and consider whether what you're trying to do would be better done as a list article. In general lists are better for medal winners and such like, because they can be ordered by year which categories can't. Is there anything in this cross country category that isn't already done much better by the lists in IAAF World Cross Country Championships. You just seem to be making work for yourself, to do something that's not as good as what's already in that article.Le Deluge (talk) 19:26, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I did not intend for the category to be that limited. I populated it with the obvious. As you see there are already almost 2 hundred individuals so qualified by that criteria alone. Essentially all such participants at that championship for Kenya have also become medalists. You could also create that category and duplicate populate with the existing individuals. It only goes to prove it is a valid category. Other editors might find more to add to this category based on other criteria. This category identifies people who have notably participated in this specialization. Trackinfo (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

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Hi. Thanks for the message. The edit in question introduced a large amount of text to an already long article, and it is not practical to include every single issue under its own heading on a country's main article. The edit also introduced a number of grammatical errors which would have to be fixed one by one. There is already a lengthy Women in Indonesia article, created some 6 years ago. I do not understand your comment about it being a possible POV issue, unless you think I am unhinged enough to be anti-woman... I have added a link to the Women in Indonesia article in the "Demographics" - I hope that is an agreeable compromise. Regards Davidelit (Talk) 15:32, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Reverting Jefferson Starship intro paragraph.

Hello Trackinfo: What rationale did you use to revert my edits on the Jefferson Starship intro paragraph? There has been an ongoing discussion about the real start date of the band for several days now basically between me and user AbelGus. I just offered a compromise to the wording that I thought would satisfy everyone by deleting "evolved" from the paragraph and naming the original members of the band. The word evolve makes it sound like one band, Jefferson Airplane, morphed into Jefferson Starship which is actually not the case. Jefferson Airplane had been defunct for 2 years before the Jefferson Starship band was born. I believe Wikipedia embraces accuracy? I'm looking forward to your reply.Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 19:44, 6 September 2017 (UTC)Cheryl

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Need your help to update an article of an athlete

Hi, I am a friend of an athlete, Siddhanth Thingalaya, hence I know that the information currently present on his wiki page is not updated with all his latest achievements. Can you help me update his wiki page?

Kiran247 (talk) 11:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I see, there is a lot missing from 2011 to 2017. I added his participation in the World Junior Championships. I didn't go digging to see what he has sone since. Find some sources and report it and conclude with the 2017 World Championships. Let me know if you need help in doing this. Trackinfo (talk) 20:19, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

He is my good friend and I can arrange all the relevant details from him whenever required. I have list of all his records national/international. He wanted all this to be updated on his Wiki page in the format it is updated here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Shubenkov

Can you tell me how do we start this ? Kiran247 (talk) 09:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Provide me the information, preferably in the form of sources. Sure you can interject a little from what you know, but wikipedia wants its information to be backed up by reporting from reliable sources. You are right, I don't know the right places to look for information about an Indian athlete. So find the reports, newspapers, magazines, results (not blog posts, Facebook or unreliable stuff like that). Send them along and I'll try to help you out. Learn from the technique and you can become another valuable wikipedia editor from your part of the globe. Trackinfo (talk) 16:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that motivations..I am have updated all his international records with all relevant source links that I could find. In fact he was with me when I was updating his wiki.

Kiran247 (talk) 08:28, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

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Slight clean-up of M 100m record progression list

Hi Track:

Just thought I'd let you know I did a bit of clean-up on the M 100m record prgression page. Nothing huge, but I went by that fantastic record progression list the IAAF started to publish in their guides in (I think) 2015. So, I omitted the several non-ratified marks from the 1930s - the Arthur Jonah one and one of Ralph Metcalfe's - as the IAAF list, which includes marks that weren't ratified back in the day, lists numerous other marks. I see no particular rationale for keeping those particular two. So, either include those other marks, or just include the ratified ones. I count 56(!) unratified marks on that list (manual time era, 1912-1976) so instead of including them all, I deleted the two.

Additionally, I added one mark missing from the list, one that is not usually included, but it had been ratified then later rescinded. Set after Jesse Owen's 10.2 in 1936, it was ratified before the Owen mark, then rescinded after Owen's mark was ratified in 1938. So now I've included Lennart Strandberg's 10.3, with the "rescinded" colour code. Cheers. Canada Jack (talk) 19:53, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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Are you interested in co-submitting John W. Overton to DYK?

Great job with the article (although there is still a bit to do, I think). I would like to submit it to DYK. Since you've put in a lot of work, too, I wouldn't do so if you weren't ok with it. I'm thinking the hook should be something like "... John W. Overton was killed in World War I one year after setting the world track and field record in the indoor mile and indoor 1,000 meters races in 1917." What do you think? I would submit it jointly, although I'd be happy to do the quid pro quo. Thanks, Smmurphy^(Talk) 02:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Lets survive the AfD attack first. I'm OK with submitting the article forward. Pluralize "records" as there are separate, multiple records. As I've said elsewhere in the AfD process, my frustration is with the overt stupidity of these nominations. Know-nothings putting articles in jeopardy. This one was in my wheelhouse, so I know where to look for sources. Even a hundred years ago, there is some documentation. Information compiled on top of itself. I can't do that in subjects I don't know as well and there aren't enough others doing it. Wikipedia is getting victimized daily by our echo chamber of uninformed and lazy, serial delete voters. So I'm writing an editorial to that effect and will see if I can find a place to post it. Trackinfo (talk) 02:48, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Not to count chickens before they hatch, but that article will certainly be kept. We have a few days before we the seven day window we have to submit it to DYK starts, but I wanted to make sure you were on board before I spent to much more time on it. I'll let you know before I do submit it, but just to be clear, here is the hook as of right now (feel free to suggest a better or ALTs): "... John W. Overton was killed in World War I one year after setting the world track and field records in the indoor mile and indoor 1,000 meters races in 1917." Thanks for the correction; unfortunately I seem to make a too many grammar and spelling mistakes.

I spend most of my editing doing WP:HEY at AfD, focusing on Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/History - particularly US history. I've done scores of HEYs myself since coming back to WP in earnest almost two years ago. I share your frustration; although I've had very very few HEYs fail, they erode time I would otherwise spend at other parts of the project. I think a number of people would like to write a similar editorial expressing similar frustrations. I, myself, often think about a statistical study of AfDs which might address some of the empirical questions that go along with such an issue, but I'm pretty sure I won't be doing one any time soon. If it would be any help, feel free to send me a draft of your editorial to look over. Also, if you are interested and thought it would help your editorial, I could compile my HEYs into a list and give you a bit of statistics on that.

I welcome your statistics. I was not even aware of it. But that is essentially my goal. Before nominating, do some research. If there is some meat to the subject, you must use that information to improve the article before, or instead of nominating it. Same for voting. You shouldn't vote if you didn't first look for information and if found, fixing the article. And (this won't be popular for sure) I think there should be a penalty for serially making bad nominations or votes. In effect, it is disruptive. Their laziness bothers a whole lot more people to look at the article, comment/vote and ultimately close the discussion. A bad nomination is disruptive. So a first time offender is put on a quota for the number of NOMs or iVotes they can make in a period of time. Subsequent bad votes reduce the quota by 50 per cent. And with a certain number of bad NOMs or iVotes (which would have to be a decision by the closer), they lose their nominating or ivoting privileges. The standard for the closer to call it a bad nomination will be simply (based on how the article has evolved) "You could have fixed this." Meaning, the sources that improved the article to a Keep were readily available if you had simply looked. I'd like to think people are here to improve Wikipedia, which is what WP:HEY is all about. I have been in enough AfD battles against disingenuous and lazy editors that I am convinced some people do not behave in the best interests of improving Wikipedia.Trackinfo (talk) 06:38, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

The weather has messed up my schedule and I've been too busy to do more work on the article. I've gone ahead and submitted it to DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/John W. Overton, I'm not sure if it isn't too late. I'll do my QPQ and do more work on the article on Sunday or after Monday of next week. Feel free to suggest an alt or c/e the proposed hook I submitted. Smmurphy^(Talk) 03:55, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

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I know I have a mistake like that in 1964, but I didn't think it also hit 1998. I'll look when I get some time. Trackinfo (talk) 02:16, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hi there! I seem to remember a while back that you were bothered by the amount of time it takes to check whether athlete links are the right ones. There is a User:Anomie/linkclassifier user script that you can install to highlight disambiguation links in yellow automatically. Obviously there is still the problem of linking to a page where there is a different, non-athlete at the main target name, but hopefully this goes some way to easing the burden. SFB

It looks like a useful tool. I have no idea where these menus to install this are.

I think my issue more recently was SvG project draft links not connecting to reveal which had articles. I figured out a time consuming solution, but am satisfied the articles classified as athlete have all been rescued. I have little faith in the categorization. Trackinfo (talk) 00:30, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

The link to your script page is the first one provided at Special:MyPage/skin.js. All that is needed is to place the below text on that page. It's quite colorful at first sight, but I'm used to it now and knowing which athlete names are going to disambiguations immediately by sight has been a real time saver on results articles for me. SFB 01:58, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you. This stuff is not explained, they assume you know it. I've seen other nice scripts but didn't know how to add them. Now I do. Trackinfo (talk) 04:48, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Trackinfo. Is Armand Duplantis really eligible to set American records? Thanks for respond.Montell 74 (talk) 16:03, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I have questioned USATF Records people about this directly. I did not get a definitive answer. Since Duplantis apparently holds dual citizenship, he effectively meets the USA criteria, "by an American citizen," though clearly he competes for another country internationally. I can't remember any other American citizens competing for another country setting records, but there are people like Felix Sanchez competing and there is a likely example that goes against this new precedent. You might be able to cite one. Apparently, the committee does what they want. Trackinfo (talk) 07:26, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

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It may or may not be related but I have noticed a spike of PRODs and AfDs shortly following that tip on 11 September. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xmonad (3rd nomination) has some interesting considerations from DGG. In terms of rescue FoxyTunes achieved an amazing escape following a PROD decline due to a previous contested PROD.Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:17, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

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Could I request that you set up archiving for your talk page? With a page this long, it's very awkward to read. On a mobile device, it's almost impossible. If you like, I'd be happy to help you with the technical details, or even set it up for you. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:00, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Back when I considered archiving this, I recall my frustration in having to search back through some other user's archive. The particular user was one that had infuriated. It took a lot of effort to not only search back through the archive, but through the history to discover he was also deleting the numerous complaints he was receiving as well as frequently archiving so virtually nothing was immediately visible. The archiving served to mask from public view just what an asshole this guy is; how many times he had been blocked, threatened to be blocked and had gotten into arguments with well meaning editors, particularly abusing novices. And he's still with us. I can be argumentative and opinionated at times, but I have no legitimate blocks, violations or problems associated with my account. I'm here for positive contributions. I vehemently fight those who try to destroy content. So in the view of openness, I have chosen to keep all my conversations, even the negative ones, here in open public view. I hadn't considered the mobile device dilemma, but then I didn't think that many people would even bother coming here. Trackinfo (talk) 15:15, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Hmmm. While I do appreciate your desire to be fully transparent, might I point out that the archiving software automatically generates an index of the archives? So, for example, if you think I've done something stupid (which I'm sure I have, on multiple occasions), you can search my talk archive for "stupid". I don't know if that's always been the case, so possibly the last time you looked into this, that feature wasn't available. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:56, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

That would mean you know what you are looking for. When trying to dissect what went wrong, you start with a blank page. Seriously, I am sensitive to every website I visit; the number of pages and page loads to search through to get where you are intending to go, much less the poor labeling of said items. A generic archive, with no time basis or content basis is literally just a bunch of meaningless numbers. Given the choice, I have so far chosen not to inflict that on my vast readership. OK, this page is a bit long, its an 11 plus year accumulation. You should see my garage. Trackinfo (talk) 16:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Sorry but this is not really optional anymore. The length of this page is preventing some browsers from opening it. Users have wide latitude in their userspace, but may not actually break the website. I will set up archiving for you shortly, unless you do it yourself. Thank you. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Following on from this, I've set up archiving at a very conservative level but which will fix the accessibility of the page. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Should be all sorted for you! I've even added dates to the threads which the bot could not sort out. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

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WMACs Formatting

Hi mate, I created stubs for all the WMACs last night, and I had intended to split the results as per 2014 European Masters Athletics Championships to avoid the very lengthy pages like are seen at 2015 World Masters Athletics Championships - would you be interested in using this format as well? I understand the hassle when results are often formatted by event rather than age group but I believe this is a preferential layout. JDWFC (talk) 18:22, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you first for starting the articles. I've gotten complaints about the existing formatting, so I welcome the improvement. All these results are going to be a lot of work to format. Trackinfo (talk) 20:37, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Looks good! WeiaR (talk) 23:17, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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Since you're the one who created Miss Multinational 2018 and Miss Multinational 2019, are you aware that you're misnumbering them? Their website says it's 40 days, 1 hour and 12 minutes or so till Miss Multinational 2018, which makes the pageant held in January 2019 the "2018" edition. The pageant also calls the first winner, alternately, "Miss Multinational 2017" or "Miss Multinational 2017-2018". Huon (talk) 11:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Actually yes I discovered that yesterday. And yet the legitimate third party sources reported differently, which is why I initiated the different numbering system. They also had changed the date of the upcoming pageant, delaying it by some 5 weeks from earlier posts. Because the reporting on this subject is more fluffy, entertainment related, rather than by the journalism side, I don't know if I will find reporting on the confusion of the organizers, but that is what I would like to find before making statements in the article. But I will go back and renumber again. Trackinfo (talk) 16:24, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

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Question About Race Results Hello Grandmaster Track and Wikipedia Editor. I haven't written on a Talk page yet. Let me know if I'm doing this wrong. I've a question for you regarding race results. I'm interested in boosting the local community of runners and making it easy to see local race times of the biggest races in the region. Instead of clicking through dozens of proprietary timing sites, I'd like runner to easily navigate through top results in the region. However, I don't want a "top leaderboard of regional races" type deal. I've settled on the simple, easy layout in the Los Angeles Marathon 2019 results. Easy to see the winners (men and women), the masters winners, and the wheelchair winners. Three categories, one glance. But I have two problems with this: 1) It continues to emphasize only the top runner. I'd like to show the top three for each year's race. Yes, we could create annual race pages (like this one for Boston you did), but for races under 500 runners, I don't think it is necessary (and it wouldn't meet the Wikipedia criteria). I do argue, however, that the race is still important enough to have its own page. So I'd like to show the results of all the years races in a category on the marathon's wiki-page, and I'd also like to show the three top runners--and--the winner of the masters. I'd also like to have the toggle to reorganize all the times (so they rank by fastest to slowest, and not year by year). 2) How could I combine a table like yours in the 2019 Boston Marathon page and the one shown in the 2019 Los Angeles Marathon page? Comm260 ncu (talk) comment added by Comm260 ncu (talk • contribs) 23:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC) --- I know there might not be an easy answer, but I wanted to brainstorm with someone. I'll try simplifying the question: How can I make a chart that shows all these things: Each year of the race, showing the following: The top three finishers (men and women) with ages, hometowns, and times The top masters finishers (men and women) with ages, hometowns, and times An option to adjust the order of each column So the finished result would be a combination of Bemidji Blue Ox Marathon and 2019 Boston Marathon and 2010 Chicago Marathon (but only up to the top three places). Any ideas? I guess a second question is this: Can I make a column order adjustable if the column doesn't continue all the way down the table? Thanks for your expertise and all your great track edits! Comm260 ncu (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:48, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

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Hey, before I went in and changes something I wanted to get your input. Specifically the location of the epicenter being "85 miles northeast" of the San Andreas fault. That's the right direction (and about the right distance) for the part that runs through LA, but the fault is much longer than that-finally ending in the Pacific north of San Francisco. What would you think about either dropping the distance and changing the direction to "east", or specifying that that distance and direction is relative to the LA section of the fault? Almostfm (talk) 19:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

First off, you're right-I did mean the Ridgecrest quakes. I don't know what happened, other than my brain saying "Ridgecrest" and my hands calling an audible on the play. I got your message, and I can't say I disagree with your reasoning. But as you said, the distance to the San Andreas depends on where on the fault you're measuring from. What about "85 miles northeast of the nearest point on the San Andreas fault"? Thanks. Almostfm (talk) 05:34, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Trackinfo. Per your AN post ("...as a lowly editor I am unable to delete the redirect article...") you might be interested in this. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:43, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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USATF web site

Hi Trackinfo. There seems to be a problem with the USATF web site. I got the last successful "access" maybe one year ago. Is it just me who got problems with it? Do you know more? Thanks. Montell 74 (talk) 18:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

While I have a lot of issues with the USATF site, moving and hiding links, slow server and their unnecessary security denying me access to certain places, I have not had a long term issue with the USATF website itself. What are you unable to access? Trackinfo (talk) 20:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Well, I'm in Germany. Maybe also a cause. The USATF site is not building at all. Maybe a server problem. First and foremost I am interested in the state of ratification of records (timeliness of the record lists).Montell 74 (talk) 16:26, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

I know you are in Germany, but you do an excellent job of English. No records are ratified until the third day of the national meeting. I think that is November 30, 2019. I'll be in the room in Reno, Nevada this year. If there is anything you need me to pull from the site, please let me know. Trackinfo (talk) 07:06, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Creating the Best Marathon Results Table

Hey again Trackinfo! I'm working on creating a better marathon results table. Thanks to your help from previous discussions, I've made a lot of improvements and spent days researching results and crafting some wiki-markup. I'd love your critique on this table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Med_City_Marathon.

I checked it. Having dealt with records for so long, I like the time in the column before the name rather than clear across the line on the right. No big deal. From a global perspective, I think going three deep on somewhat local events might cause some deletionists to target your article. As a local USATF administrator, I think its great. Thank you for putting in the effort. Trackinfo (talk) 07:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I know there are some people that won't like the top three, but for any local state user, it's a much more helpful gauge on the type of marathoner that runs the race (and even the type of race organization might be present). I also think it's a good way to not be an elitist when it comes to runners. You can sort this Med-City list by time and you find 36 runners who placed second or third, yet were still faster than the first place winner in 2006. A reader of the list wouldn't get that context otherwise. Of course, there's a limit and I get that, but I think first through third allows the reader to better examine the results. If they want only the first place winners, they can do a sort for the time, then a secondary sort for the place. Viola! I'm curious if people will want to argue this if I do a bigger marathon, such as Grandma's Marathon. That would also take a mountain of time! You seem to know the Wiki-community a bit. Do you know of any people that go crazy for creating and editing marathon pages? Comm260 ncu (talk) 22:22, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is made up of individual volunteers who choose to work on what they want to and what know to work on wikipedia. Unfortunately there is a group of malicious editors, who somehow have a perverted idea of protecting wikipedia from improper content. Censors essentially. I am suggesting that your content might be too localized for their taste and when they find it, they might go on attack. I'll be glad to help protect your content, notify me offline at info@trackinfo.org. But I'm just one vote and they have an echo chamber of people who love to pile on. I've been in a lot of battles with these low lifes. I win most of the time on my own content, but not always and its never easy. They get their greatest thrill in deleting as much content as possible. I think there is a backroom awards system to reward those who succeed in deleting the most content. There is one creep who makes it his life's mission to go through the AfD section and vote to delete. I won't mention any names here but it won't take you too long to see who it is. So you can guarantee he will vote against your stuff if it gets there. That is my cynical view of the deletion process. Bigger picture, if you want to be helpful; learn the process. I'd love to see you learn how to fight to defend content. I'd love to see more allies on our side. Start by finding articles in jeopardy that are worthy of fighting for, and help save them. That way you will be ready to defend your own content. Especially learn NSPORT, because those will be the grounds you will be working from. Trackinfo (talk) 22:56, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Ahhh. Thanks for the lead. This is unsettling. The only marathons that appear to have recognition are those over 5,000 runners or 25 years old. Hmmm... yet read through any small city's wiki page and you'll find several pages that branch from it that don't have near the notoriety that a marathon would have. Interesting. I think I'll keep creating and build out the smaller ones, then try to jump into two bigger race pages and see how it goes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comm260 ncu (talk • contribs) 02:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks 🙏

Thank you very much for the very good analysis about AfD of Zach Bradford. There is the same problem with Amere Lattin.--Arorae (talk) 13:19, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Bruce Jenner and other things

I have read with interest your story in the User page. I had the same reaction and the same thoughts. In other WPs, some people tried to change her/his name in the results of Olympic Games. A nonsense. And I would like to point the fact that I am very modern and open-minded (I hope so!). But I think that it is impossible to change the view (of people that usually does not care of track and field). Just one question: what’s the meaning of NOM? Yours.--Arorae (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

NOM in the context that I use it here is the person proposing a nomination, the guy complaining essentially. So you can see in my time I have been in my battles to try to present to the public what is right. We have some nuts out there who do not understand our sport. Trackinfo (talk) 18:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

yes. When he says that Universiade is a Junior or Youth competition, he is completely wrong. How is it possible to convince him? He also like to delete a WORLD senior champion in fencing (and also European) that won at Universiade. A non-sense.-Arorae (talk) 20:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

he is not listening. At all. It took 3 posts before an offside reply. A kind of Asperger syndrome? He have just tried to absolutely delete 5 «stubs» (not very good ones for sure, little responsible for that, sorry) but all respecting the criteria. All the 5 AfD have been now closed. All time and ink wasted.-Arorae (talk) 19:10, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

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Masters world record progressions

I see you created a lot of articles in Category:Masters athletics world record progressions in 2014, e.g. Masters M50 high jump world record progression. Thanks for the effort. I think the articles are too small on their own and it would be better to merge them by event and gender like Masters men high jump world record progression and Masters women high jump world record progression. Then you can follow how the results decline with age, and you can often track the same athletes as they grow older. Both genders could be on the same page but I prefer to keep them separate. Another option would be to merge by age category, e.g. a new Masters M50 world record progressions for all M50 records. I prefer merging by event, but we might use section tranclusion to additionally create articles like Masters M50 world record progressions by transcluding Masters men high jump world record progression#Men 50, and similar for other events. {{#section-h:Masters men high jump world record progression|Men 50}} produces:

Height	Athlete	Nationality	Birthdate	Location	Date
1.76	Wolfgang Boneder	Germany	20.10.1894	Neustadt	20.07.1947
1.675	Orvald Gillett	United States	02.06.1919	San Diego	04.07.1969
1.73	Orvald Gillett	United States	02.06.1919	Glendale	11.12.1971
1.73	Richmond "Boo" Morcom	United States	01.05.1921	Randall's Island	22.07.1972
1.75	John C. Brown	United States	04.12.1929	Philadelphia	05.07.1980
1.75	John C. Brown	United States	04.12.1929	Christchurch	12.01.1981
1.78 i	John C. Brown	United States	04.12.1929	Liberty	15.02.1981
1.79	John C. Brown	United States	04.12.1929	Dallas	25.07.1981
1.79	Herm Wyatt	United States	13.09.1931	Los Gatos	12.06.1982
1.81	Herm Wyatt	United States	13.09.1931	Eugene	27.06.1982
1.85	Herm Wyatt	United States	13.09.1931	Los Gatos	21.05.1983
1.87	Herm Wyatt	United States	13.09.1931	Los Gatos	03.07.1983
1.88	Herm Wyatt	United States	13.09.1931	Los Gatos	20.08.1983
1.88	Horst Mandl	Austria	08.01.1936	Verona	27.06.1988
1.88	Dieter Wille	Germany	06.07.1943	Miyazaki	10.10.1993
1.89	Mark Chelnov	Ukraine	15.03.1944	Athens	11.06.1994
1.90	Asko Pesonen	Finland	15.04.1943	Leppavirta	24.09.1995
2.00 i	Thomas Zacharias	Germany	02.01.1947	Birmingham	02.03.1997
1.98	Thomas Zacharias	Germany	02.01.1947	Baunatal	17.05.1997

What do you think? I could help with the mergers but haven't contributed to the articles in the past and don't plan to do it in the future. I'm thinking about proposing it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Athletics but wanted to hear your thoughts first. Another thing: I suggest chronologial order like Men's high jump world record progression. I think all non-Masters progressions are chronological. It seems more logical. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I see you opposed merger in 2014 at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Athletics/Archive 6#Segmentation of Masters athletics. Do you feel the same way five years after making the articles? I think the table of contents and section edits makes it easy to read and edit a page like Masters men high jump world record progression. List of world records in masters athletics#High jump has progression links directly to the section for an age group. There is low reader interest in the small articles except marathon: [2]. If marathon is excluded then 358 of 361 age group articles have 30 or less total page views in the past 20 days. 347 (96%) have less than 1 per day on average. The marathon articles had a huge increase in the latest days [3] due to recent events. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:51, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I went back to see what I said before. I don't see what might have changed. I don't see the problem. I think the articles are too small on their own and it would be better to merge them are opinions. I don't see a policy mentioned here. Does size matter? What is the problem with a lot of little articles containing the content vs larger articles that contain the same information? This mirrors the way the Open division articles do it for each event (well a few do men and women or indoor and outdoor on the same page). Does wikipedia have a cap on the number of articles? Does it reduce the cumulative number of bytes stored and distributed by the server? The larger articles will have multiple headers and will necessitate chasing a lot of clean up. I am one of maybe 4-5 editors who pay the most attention to this category of articles. We will get to clean up the mess. One of those @WeiaR:, whose work I respect greatly, created the sequential high jump articles like the Masters men high jump world record progression. I've had enough occasions where I have had to change redirects and fix confusion (some of it my own) back to the correct sections of those large articles that I have not been motivated to create more. If you go ahead and make more of them, you'll go away. Over the next few years I expect to be here cleaning that up. Maybe you are that good and there won't be issues. I'm not enthusiastic to take you up on your offer to fix a non-problem. Trackinfo (talk) 07:28, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm not nominating any of the articles for deletion but I don't think they satisfy Wikipedia:Notability on their own. If somebody nominates them then a keep seems unlikely. The discussion would probably be merge or delete. I also think Wikipedia:Notability#Whether to create standalone pages suggests merging. Seeing the same record for other age groups is good context. WP:SIZERULE says for readable prose size below 1 kB: "If an article or list has remained this size for over a couple of months, consider combining it with a related page." WP:MERGEREASON is on an information page without guideline status but it says: "If a page is very short and is unlikely to be expanded within a reasonable amount of time, it often makes sense to merge it with a page on a broader topic." It's not Wikipedia's style to split closely related information on a lot of tiny pages. List of world records in masters athletics is a good example of placing many closely related tables on the same page. It might be split by gender but I don't think it should be split in 65 pages with one table, and they would still generally be larger than the articles we discuss. General World records get a lot of attention and there exist plenty of sources for articles like Men's high jump world record progression to be notable on their own. It also has more content than the small Masters pages. With help from the World Championships it got 12,263 views in the last 20 days. That's more than the 386 articles in Category:Masters athletics world record progressions together. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:28, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

The progression info is very nice, but on the other hand it means lots of work to keep updated. When I merged the high jump progressions into one I had the intention to go on with other events, but the amount of work was a bit too much. When someone would be able to merge them I have no objections. WeiaR (talk) 13:18, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

We currently have both merged and separate high jump articles so there is double updating, and Masters men high jump world record progression#Men 50 has far more records than Masters M50 high jump world record progression. If we only have merged and it has the same tables as separate articles would have then it seems easier to me to check and keep up to date. If [4] is used then it can be compared to a single similar article instead of 12 separate articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:19, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

If I did the merge work then I would only merge what is in the articles now. This part seems like a simple copy-and-paste job. With around 350 articles it adds up but I would be willing to do at least 100 of them if I didn't have to check the data or expand the tables. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:29, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

The seperate pages still exist? That's superfluous. An Italian statistician is very active in updating, and I think he'll like merged articles more, one per discipline. WeiaR (talk) 16:12, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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Masters World record progression articles

Hi, I noticed you have created many articles on Masters World record progressions for individual sports and age categories. I very much doubt that most of these are notable enough subjects for separate articles, and have very little content anyway, and I would support the above suggestion to merge them.

More importantly though, the way you create them has serious problems. I first removed 3 of the 4 entries on Masters W85 javelin world record progression, since you added the W90 instead of the W85 here. Looking further at this article and similar ones like Masters W70 javelin 500g world record progression, I see multiple problems, including:

• The source for the older records ends in 2012
• You have added no source for any records between 2013 and the current one
• The date on your source ("Archived from the original (PDF) on 2012-01-22. Retrieved 2013-05-06.") is all wrong
• The information you provide is not correct: apart from the incorrect W85 list, I see that on the W70 list you give Jarmila Klimešová with 29m32 as the record holder, bit your source[5] gives Masako Suzuki with 29m03 as the record holder. In that same list, your record (topmost) entry is older than the second entry, so that would not be a record progression in any case.

Please take more care with these creations. Fram (talk) 09:48, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

I was catching up on data I put in my sandbox ages ago, too much formatting and copy/paste. Obviously I made a mistake with the W85 by inserting W90 athletes. As far as the updates past that, yes I went combing through a collection of results, season lists, credible blogs, wikipedia records history and of course the current world records. I compile from more sources than I care to log simply for time efficiency. Everything since Martin Gasselsberger stopped updating the lists in 2015 has had to be done manually. That is why it is essential to save the data here because we don't know when the site might also disappear. The Masters records process is hinky at best and wikipedia serves as an excellent means to dissect beyond just the official list, which can't even agree with itself from year to year. Its good for you to keep me on my toes, I do make mistakes. I have added the sources to new updates to the W85, so you can now remove your tag. Each new source opens up a bigger can of worms to chase down. Trackinfo (talk) 05:14, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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Yes, he is a convicted felon. But saying so in the first sentence of the lede? That is absolutely NOT the thing he is best known for, so it doesn't belong in the lede per WP:BLP. --Calton | Talk 07:37, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

See O. J. Simpson for example. It is a significant factor for Stone, because it is a judicial statement on the rest of his career. It definitely belongs there. Trackinfo (talk) 07:52, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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• "Influence Watch" says nothing -- nil, nada, fuck-all -- about whether the organization is "pro-Assad", or anti-Assad, or Assad-less, or any other Assad things. There's nothing for me to "accept" because it is entirely irrelevant, and Influence Watch is a source for nothing except the organization's mailing address, really.
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• Despite your being wrong from the start and it not being necessary, I gave you another source anyways. So you were wrong both on the sourcing and on the straight facts, and you reverted anyways. Accuracy clearly is not your concern here.

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Influence Watch notes if any organization has a bias or "Influence" get it? Its in the name. Its what they do. They mention Palestinians but do not mention Assad. If there was an influence by Assad, it would be their job to note it. Instead you quote from hit pieces and repeat from hit pieces. You and your like have turned this article about a guy doing a political comedy podcast out of his garage into character assassination. You might read about WP:BLP. Trashing a guy on his own BLP is not what wikipedia should be used for. If the conspiracy theories were what made him famous, maybe, but they aren't. You have completely lost the essence of his character or his show. I don't know who sent you to wikipedia, but before you edit any more, read a little about WP:NPOV. Trackinfo (talk) 02:56, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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The personal attacks and wild speculations about other editors' motives in this post are completely over the top. You seriously need to stop. Reyk _YO! 04:32, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

hmmm

OK, yeah, that third editor in our latest exchange I see that their edit count and talk page are artificially made to look like they have done more editing here than is truthful. Do you see what I mean? Check their TP archive. Let me know. Should they be reported? Gandydancer (talk) 07:35, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure which one you mean, but I don't see anything any more suspicious than editors I have seen on a variety of these articles. Several have long established accounts with relatively little activity, with a spike during the current political season. I'm thinking someone with a CIA mentality, build a backlog account to hold in waiting for situations like this. But it takes a lot of human attention to make thousands of edits and that could not be maintained practically. Suspicions don't mean anything in a report, you need some proof. There have been a number of editors I'd like to get off the scene because of the hideous things they have done to other editors. And that has been unsuccessful. To do that on content disagreements, that would make me a form of a censor. Trackinfo (talk) 08:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

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{{Infobox athletics race}}

Hello. Would you be able to fix the previous and next lines that don't work? --Kasper2006 (talk) 17:12, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Please show me a case where it is not working. Trackinfo (talk) 22:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Now work --Kasper2006 (talk) 10:20, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, in Talk:Ilhan Omar an IP who has made no edits outside the topic is removing the SPA tag next to his vote in the RfC of allegations.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 09:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I am not a SPA nor have I not made any edits outside the topic. I have simply removed a SPA tag which violates existing policy. --70.190.179.93 (talk) 10:06, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

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Just in case

Apologies for this quick intervention pending review, but I'm paranoid, a lazy admin could interpret "bare URL" as BS indicator. I'm also not sure about tackling the nominator personally, the 3rd AFD closure was very near to DEL, or rather, that's how I interpreted it. –84.46.53.84 (talk) 08:32, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I begrudgingly added formatted sourcing for this special case. It won't stop snoogans from disappearing it on some made up grounds. Generally, source formatting is against my principle, explained here. Trackinfo (talk) 09:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Interesting, one admin apparently agrees with you (archived), I disagreed, because I like quick plausibility info in the reference popup: Has the source an enwiki page? –84.46.53.84 (talk) 09:34, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Post-AFD note, please update AfD discussions if you pick the REFUND route, a separate deletion review would make no sense (for me. anyways;) –84.46.52.96 (talk) 22:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

comment on the above, in which my earlier comments were mentioned (I've been away from Wikipedia) and on this: There is no requirement to use citation templates. There is in my view strong reason not to use bare URLs. The maintenance tag refers to bare URLs as being subject to link rot. This is misleading. A bare URL is no more likely to change than one with proper bibliographic metadata. However, if link rot does occur, having metadata makes it much easier to find another get a valid source. Also important, having the key metadata in the list of cited sources makes it easier for a reader to u8nderstand the basis for the article. I am referring to such basic metadata as name of article, name of containing publication, year of publication, name of author, and name of publisher when the publication is obscure and this indicates the degree of reliability. Thia level of metadata beyond a bare url should allow a reader to evaluate the reliability of the cited sources. For instance, if several sources are all citing the same author, that is a relevant factor which the reader may7 well want to be aware of, and having to follow each link to learn this is not IMO best practice. Likewise, the year of publication allows the reader to asses whether a source is current or out-of-date, or is contemporary with the events being described. (It can also be vital in finding an archived version o0f a dead url.) In addition, academic and journalistic style guides pretty much all advise supplying author and publication metadata with cited sources. There are tools to make adding bibliographic metadata to a Wikipedia source citation easier, whether in source editing or in the visual editor. (However the output of the semi-automated tools must be checked, they are sometimes badly wrong.) I urge you not to use bare URLs in future in source citations, whether you use templates or other means to format citations. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:40, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

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Hi there! I wanted to thank for your work on helping draft about Kyle Kulinski through some fairly significant difficulty. I've integrated the copy on your userspace page and the original on the original draft page so we have one unified copy with all the detail we can, and so we don't have confusion about different versions of the draft article. You are more than welcome to check the newest version there! ƒin (talk) 15:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Trackinfo. If you think it's a good idea, maybe we should remove the first banner at the top of Draft talk:Kyle Kulinski that encourages people to edit the version in your userspace. That way all edits are concentrated at Draft:Kyle Kulinski. Up to you though, I don't want to step on your toes. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:45, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

My primary concern to create my own copy was preservation. There are elements out there who want to throw a monkey wrench into this article and many like it. They have already succeeded in making his article invisible to the public. Draftspace is subject to the same nefarious efforts. It will be much more difficult for them to erase the history of my user space and archive, should it come to that. So this has achieved that goal. Trackinfo (talk) 05:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree with your observation about the folks trying to throw a monkey wrench into the article. I commented about it here. I feel they abused our AFD process and kept re-submitting the article until they got a deletionist closing admin. I also feel that the 4th AFD was closed against consensus. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:59, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

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