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Sports dynasties

Stop trying to remove Egypt's achievement winning the African cup of Nations three times between 2006 & 2010 and using a source cite as a lame excuse. It is a fact, you don't put a source to check if the Sun rises from the East, do you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miroa12004 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Miroa12004: That's a very poor argument. Wikipedia policy on verifiability states you must cite sources for anything that's challenged or likely to be challenged. I challenged your claim, now you must provide a source. Lizard (talk) 21:54, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then I can challenge the entire fucking section because every point in there is not cited, not single citation in the section for all the National teams. You're just fucking ignorant. All what you need to do is look at the African Cup of Nations winners to see that Egypt won the Premier soccer competition in Africa, 3 times in a four year period which was never achieved.

Richie Incognito and Yannick Ngakoue

I think that while these are allegations, and given the small scope of this controversy as of 10:48 PST 1/7/2018, I can support your update that removes this from the controversies section and adds to the 2017 section.

But in similar fashion to the other "controversies"...should an investigation lead to more detailed information, follow up actions or controversies, or a wider scope, this issue may ultimately warrant its own sub heading. This is consistent with the rest of the article vis a vis the summary/detail approach on the Jonathan Martin issue and the allegations of dirty play. Considering its relevance to Incognitos pattern of behavior, an impartial reader would view this latest incident as pertinent from a "controversies" pov.

A wait and see approach is warranted. So I'll wait. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmobisson (talk • contribs) 06:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

TFL notification

Hi, Lizard. I'm just posting to let you know that Associated Press NFL Offensive Player of the Year Award – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for February 5. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 01:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it had more to do with the Super Bowl being on at the time this will hit the Main Page. A few previous NFL lists that have run on the Monday after the Super Bowl have been popular with the readers, and I figured this would be as good a date as any to run this article. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I've nominated Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player Award by the way. Lizard (talk) 03:42, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm a writer at Sports Illustrated hoping to get in touch with you for a story on the UCF football team. Could you find me on Twitter at @stephapstein? (I'm new to this so not sure I want to post my email address on what appears to be an open page, but happy to DM it to you so we can proceed.) Thank you! Stephaniesi (talk) 16:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Local and regional coverage

Kenneth Walker III is admittedly a marginal case, but the arguments being made there have far broader implications. Do you really want to push the notion that regional and local newspaper coverage doesn't have relevance to a WP:GNG analysis? I know your focus has been on high-level, PFHOF articles of late, and a rule precluding the use of local and regional coverage would not impact such articles. But bear in mind that a ton of effort has been invested by a lot of dedicated volunteers into developing coverage of notable topics at levels below the PFHOF. If a rule were adopted precluding local and regional coverage for GNG purposes, the result would be to devastate this impressive and significant body of work. As an example, most pre-ESPN LSU football coaches/ADs would have difficulty surviving an AfD if Wikipedia were to adopt such a rule. E.g., Charles E. Coates, Allen Jeardeau, John P. Gregg, W. S. Boreland, Dan A. Killian, Edgar Wingard, Joe Pritchard, John W. Mayhew, James Dwyer, E. T. MacDonnell, Irving Pray, Wayne Sutton, Branch Bocock, Russ Cohen, Mike Archer, and Curley Hallman, "Skipper" Heard, Jim Corbett, Harry Rabenhorst, and Carl Maddox. Probably true of the vast majority (if not all) of LSU season articles from the period before the arrival of Biff Jones. The same risk probably also applies to a significant chunk of the 426 LSU football players with Wikipedia biographies. Cbl62 (talk) 07:07, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are more ways of determining notability than just contemporary news sources. Those early players and coaches who are notable will have been written about in books and had obituaries in major papers, giving them WP:LASTING significance. Lizard (talk) 08:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LASTING applies by its plain language to "events", not people. By "major papers", I assume you refer only to the four you previously identified (NYT, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, and LA Times). Would you further exclude an obituary of a U. Chicago player/coach in the Chicago Tribune (or a Georgetown athlete/coach in WaPo) as "local" coverage? Under this standard, none of the LSU coaches/seasons referenced above would survive. As for books, only the top of the pyramid legends have books written about them. Would a brief mention of a coach in a book about the LSU football program history suffice? Or does the book need to devote a certain quantum of space (chapter, full page, paragraph?) to the person? Cbl62 (talk) 15:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It'd depend on the context and how many books they're mentioned in. Point is that contemporary sources aren't the only way to determine notability. Lizard (talk) 21:15, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Super Bowl Most Valuable Player Award

Hi Lizard. A dispute has apparently popped up on this page. I know that you're unbiased and have solid experience with similar lists, so would you mind giving your opinion if you get a chance? Giants2008 (Talk) 13:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008: I get the feeling I've done more damage than good. Lizard (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No you didn't. You gave an honest opinion and that was helpful towards reaching consensus, which was supposed to be the point of the discussion. What wasn't helpful was saying I've been "out of line here for a very long time", and you weren't the one who did that. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:05, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008: Well he's just been indef blocked for sockpuppetry. And I just spend a solid 15 minutes on a good rebuttal too, darn. Lizard (talk) 22:16, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that. Good thing I ignored my aversion to ANI drama and brought it up there. There was just something about that user that told me they weren't really new to Wikipedia, and it turned out that way. Thanks for all your help in finding a resolution, and I'm sorry that you wasted chunks of your time on debating a sock. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:27, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I'll just consider it a fun little exercise in restraint. God knows I had a few choice words for that fine fellow if I felt like throwing my clean behavioral slate out the window. Lizard (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008: I wonder how "out of line" I am for this and this. Flagrant violation of policy. I should be ashamed. Lizard (talk) 23:12, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that was the comment that pushed me in the direction of ANI when I really thought about it. I suppose, according to that logic, that all of us who become primary contributors to an article are exhibiting ownership and shouldn't be trusted. In light of the sock making that image, I admit to getting a laugh out of this. Oh well. It's over now and a sockmaster was found out, so it wasn't a total waste. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:29, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some insight on Edmond Miles

Hey, I was wondering if you could provide me some insight. I stumbled across this page, Edmond Miles, due to some vandalism and made some improvements. However, when I first stumbed on the page his position was listed as "left bench." Upon looking further back in the revisions I noticed it was originally linebaker and changed it back. However, an editor recently just changed it to "right bench" which was a red link so I reverted [1]. I looked on google and cannot find anything related to football and right/left bench but you edit football articles more than I do so maybe you can provide some insight. Is this just trolling or am I missing something? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 06:06, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's just vandalism. Thanks. (not Lizard) WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 22:07, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you!

You deserve it for trampling vandals at Wesley Johnson (basketball) and Malcolm Butler. Enjoy! HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:14, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. I don't drink but maybe I'll start after that. Lizard (talk) 05:16, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your mascot

Gotta say, your new mascot is a winner! Are you going to give him/her a name? Izzy, the Lizard Wizard? Cbl62 (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. I decided to make the most out of having to resort to my second username choice. In online forums and games I usually go by just Lizard, but sadly it was taken here (User:Lizard~enwiki, who I believe made a couple of edits on the Italian Wikipedia over a decade ago). Lizard (talk) 17:31, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here he is. Looks like it was the Danish Wikipedia. Lizard (talk) 17:34, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Dick Butkus

The article Dick Butkus you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Dick Butkus for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Barkeep49 -- Barkeep49 (talk) 14:42, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No sources

Hi Lizard, would you be able to add an origin and background on the Cohan surname article please? I've found a source, but I'm worried about quoting it too closely.

The current description is completely unsourced (going against WP:V) and claims it's unrelated to the Jewish name Cohen.

The Hanks source supports the Irish origin given but also supports the name being a variant of Cohen; "variant of Irish Cohane, an Anglicized form of Gaelic Ó Cadhain (see COYNE 2). Variant of spelling Jewish (Ashkenazic) COHEN. This spelling of the Jewish name is found mainly in France".

The actress Lauren Cohan also adopted the name from her Jewish stepfather ([2]). Please let me know, cheers. --Theo (contribs) 16:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

John

Please explain why you reverted my edits to John. DangleSnipeCelly (talk) 00:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@DangleSnipeCelly1: John is a disambiguation which should only list individuals who could be known simply as "John." See WP:NAMELIST. Lizard (talk) 01:06, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. DangleSnipeCelly (talk) 01:08, 30 April 2018 (UTC)DangleSnipeCelly1[reply]

Julian Edelman

WP:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Julian_Edelman <glyph of pounding head on wall> Tarl N. (discuss) 01:56, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Tarl N.: Seems to me they have an agenda, trying to make it "fair" by either including the info on either both or neither pages. WP:OTHERSTUFF and WP:OTHERCONTENT should really be made into a full-fledged guideline. Lizard (talk) 16:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Spring Hill

Taught @Cbl62: about Spring Hill Badgers football. It seems like all they did was recruit and play Louisiana schools. Was that how far you had to go to find Catholics in those days? Walmsley, Ducote, Donahue - they play Jefferson College and New Orleans High School and Loyola and Tulane. Cake (talk) 00:01, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Curly Lambeau

Are you still working on improving HoFers? I've been contemplating trying to get Lambeau up to GA, wondering if you are interested in collaborating? Thanks for copyediting Packers sweep btw! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Gonzo fan2007: I haven't been editing much at all lately; haven't had the same enthusiasm I used to and nothing has piqued my interest lately. But I will say Lambeau's article deserves more than a measly 17k bytes. Perhaps I'll see about adding to it. Lizard (talk) 15:10, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No pressure. I understand the lack of interest, I went a few years with only a handful of edits. Lambeau piqued my interest during my expansion of George Whitney Calhoun, the co-founder of the Packers. I'm probably going to focus on a few DYKs that are in my head and then move to Lambeau. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:12, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I expanded the legacy section. Feel free to c/e. I am going to add some sources over the next few days. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:39, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be able to add more once my newspapers.com subscription with Wikipedia is renewed. Lizard (talk) 15:43, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article could also use a record table; Jweiss11 may be willing to set that up. Lizard (talk) 15:29, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't do NFL record tables. No templates. Blech! Get with the 21st-century, WikiProject National Football League! Jweiss11 (talk) 17:01, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Susi Kentikian

Hey Lizard, can you pop by Wikipedia:Featured article review/Susi Kentikian/archive1 to see if everything has been fixed to your satisfaction? Just checking for consensus to close this if possible. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:39, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FL denotations

Hi, Wizard. I don't mind the denotations myself, as I personally find it interesting to see who didn't make the Hall of Fame from the MVP winners in particular, but I can understand that it's distracting when almost all of the items in a row are colored. If you want to try something different, you could remove the coloring and just use the symbol; colored items require a matching symbol according to the MoS, but the opposite isn't true. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:25, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's what I'll do; leave the symbols and remove the shading. Lizard (talk) 13:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008: Actually I've decided to remove the denotations entirely, for three reasons: They're unimportant in the context of the awards, they aren't denoted on other sites, and they're unsightly/distracting. Emphasis on reason 2. At best it's just interesting trivia. Lizard (talk) 16:34, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Suspended players (for apparently the third or fourth time)

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Suspended players (for apparently the third or fourth time). Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LSU/All-America

Re reconciling the infobox with the article, you may be interested in this recent discussion at Template talk:Infobox NCAA football school#AllAmericans parameter. If/when there is agreement on a resolution, I'm willing to help globally resolve the issue in some manner. UW Dawgs (talk) 23:47, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

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three years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just checking in!

Hello! I notice you have not been as active as much as you were in the past. I hope all is well. Thank you for all you do on the site. Red Director (talk) 17:49, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Red Director: Hey Red, appreciate the concern. Over the past year or so I haven't been very motivated to edit like I used to. I'd love to, but I think I'm just burnt out. Hopefully soon I'll regain some enthusiasm and get back to work. Lizard (talk) 18:25, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. It comes and goes in spells for me. Focus on what you feel is best for you personally and go from there. Have a good week Red Director (talk) 18:29, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Heisman Trophy and WP:BLP

Here, the only two legitimate options were either to provide the source or to delete the sentence on the spot. See Template:Citation needed#When not to use this template. GregorB (talk) 22:33, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Rfc on Talk:Stanley Kubrick

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Ew. I had almost blocked that from my memory. Lizard (talk) 21:52, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings

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Wowzers. Lizard (talk) 13:16, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey Lizard

How are you? Long time no edit. Your Million Dollar Backfield good topic is still a work of art. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 19:56, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I miss Lizard too! Jweiss11 (talk) 19:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The feeling is mutual! Maybe I'll get a wild hair soon and do some editing. In fact I was just thinking that National Tight Ends Day sure gets a lot of media coverage to not have an article (or even a single mention on the Tight end article). Lizard (talk) 01:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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FYI

I always see the NFL infobox style guide that you created (WP:NFLINFOBOX) being cited by different editors, new and old, in the page histories of articles. I just thought you'd be happy to know that the guideline you pioneered years ago has made a serious impact around here. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is good to know, honestly. It didn't get much attention when I drew it up so I kinda figured it was lost to the sands of time. Lizard (talk) 19:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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